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英语播客|别再追求“母语者口音”了,口音也是你的身份

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0:00we have to talk about your accent.我们得谈谈你的口音
0:02Whether you're learning English or another language,无论你学的是英语还是其他语言
0:05I'm sure all of us have had these thoughts我相信大家都有这些想法
0:07at some point in time.在某个时候。
0:09What if I sound weird?如果我听起来很奇怪呢?
0:10What if people judge me?如果人们来评判我呢?
0:12Will I ever sound like a native speaker?我听上去会像本地人吗?
0:15In fact, one of the questions I get asked the most is,事实上,我最被问到的问题之一是,
0:19how can I sound more like a native speaker?我怎么会更像一个母语?
0:23And every time someone asks me this question,每次有人问我这个问题
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1we have to talk about your accent.我们得谈谈你的口音
2Whether you're learning English or another language,无论你学的是英语还是其他语言
3I'm sure all of us have had these thoughts我相信大家都有这些想法
4at some point in time.在某个时候。
5What if I sound weird?如果我听起来很奇怪呢?
6What if people judge me?如果人们来评判我呢?
7Will I ever sound like a native speaker?我听上去会像本地人吗?
8In fact, one of the questions I get asked the most is,事实上,我最被问到的问题之一是,
9how can I sound more like a native speaker?我怎么会更像一个母语?
10And every time someone asks me this question,每次有人问我这个问题
11I honestly struggle to respond我真的很难回应
12because I personally have mixed feelings about this.因为我个人对此有好坏参半的感觉
13Because on one hand,因为一方面,
14I do feel like pronunciation is really important.我觉得发音很重要
15Those little sounds are the foundations of any language这些小声音是任何语言的基础
16and it's important to get the foundations right, right?和它的重要性 使基础正确,对不对?
17But on the other hand,但另一方面,
18I do feel like sometimes people can get a little too obsessed我觉得有时候人们会太着迷
19with this idea of sounding like a native speaker和这个想法 听起来像一个母语
20or having the perfect accent.或有完美的口音。
21So today I wanna talk about fluency, accents, identity,今天我想谈谈流利 口音 身份
22and why I don't think your overall goal为何我不认为你的总体目标
23should be to sound exactly like a native speaker.应该听起来像一个母语。
24So let's start with fluency我们从流利开始
25because I feel like a lot of people don't really agree因为我觉得很多人不太同意
26on what fluency actually means.关于流利实际上意味着什么。
27And I think a lot of people confuse fluency with perfection.我认为很多人把流利和完美混为一谈。
28You think that once you're fluent in another language,你以为一旦你精通另一种语言
29no matter the language,无论语言如何
30then that means you're never gonna make any mistakes.那表示你永远不会犯错
31You're gonna sound exactly like a native speaker.你会听起来像一个母语。
32You'll never forget a word.你永远不会忘记一个字。
33You'll never draw a blank on how to express something你永远也不会在如何表达东西上划出空白
34and you're gonna have a perfect accent.你会有一个完美的口音。
35But I don't think that's what fluency really means.但我不认为那才是流利的真正含义.
36In my opinion,我认为,
37fluency is more about your ability to communicate.流利更在于你的沟通能力.
38Being fluent or having fluency流利或流利
39just means that you can smoothly and naturally就是说,你可以 顺利和自然地
40express your ideas, your opinions, your thoughts,表达你的想法 意见 思想
41and you can have a real conversation你可以好好谈谈
42without feeling stressed没有感觉压力
43or without really, really struggling.或者没有真正的,真正的挣扎。
44If you're fluent, you should be able to have conversations如果你是流利的, 你应该能够有谈话
45that flow really naturally自然流动
46and it just feels kind of like second nature.感觉就像第二大自然
47I don't think fluency means perfection我不认为流利意味着完美
48because even when you look at native speakers,因为即使你看着讲母语的人,
49they make mistakes too.他们也会犯错
50For myself, I'm a native English speaker对我自己来说,我是讲英语的
51but sometimes when I'm just talking naturally,但有时当我只是说自然,
52maybe I'll say something grammatically incorrect也许我会说错话
53or sometimes I draw a blank.或者有时我画一个空白。
54I forget a word suddenly or sometimes I misspeak.我突然忘了一句话,有时我说错了
55I kind of stumble over my words and that's totally natural.我有点不知所措 这很自然
56It's human to make those kinds of mistakes犯这种错误是人类的
57and I'm sure that when you speak in your native language,我敢肯定,当你用你的母语说话,
58you also do similar kinds of things.你也会做类似的事情。
59So language doesn't have to be perfect all the time.故语言不须无尽.
60That's really impossible if you think about it.想想看这是不可能的
61Fluency is more about your ability to communicate.流利更在于你的沟通能力.
62This leads us to another very interesting question这给我们带来了另一个非常有趣的问题
63which is what exactly is standard English?什么是标准英语?
64I find this question very interesting我觉得这个问题很有趣
65because if you think of a language like Chinese,因为如果你想到一种像中国语言的语言
66then you have Pudonghua or Mandarin Chinese.然后有浦东华语或普通话
67It's basically like a standard, right?这基本上就像一个标准,对不对?
68You might hear it on the news, you might learn it in school,你可能会在新闻上听到, 你可能会在学校学到它,
69you use that to do exams, take tests你用它来做考试,测试
70and all of that good stuff.和所有好东西。
71And it's not only Chinese.不仅中国人
72A lot of languages do have this kind of standard很多语言都有这种标准
73that they use for more formal situations用于更正式的情况
74like the news or government processes.就像新闻或政府程序
75So when people start to learn English,所以当人们开始学习英语,
76they just assume that English has a similar kind of thing,他们只是假设英语有类似的东西,
77that English also has this one single standard.英语也有这个单一的标准
78This is why a lot of people try to use English news sources这就是为什么很多人试图使用 英国新闻来源
79as a way to practice and to learn English作为练习和学习英语的方法
80because they just assume this must be standard English.因为他们认为这一定是标准英语
81This must be what normal people say in day-to-day life.这一定是正常人日常生活中所说的.
82But the stuff that you hear on the news,但你听到的新闻,
83the way that they talk on the news他们的谈话方式
84is not exactly how we talk in day-to-day life.并不是我们日常生活中的谈话方式
85And honestly, when you talk about English,老实说 当你谈论英语时
86there really isn't one standard accent真的没有标准的口音
87or one standard in English.或英语的一个标准。
88I mean, when you think about different countries,我的意思是,当你想到不同的国家,
89like for me, I'm from America, so I speak American English,就像我,我来自美国, 所以我说美国英语,
90but you also have British English但你也有英国英语
91and someone from Australia speaks differently和来自澳大利亚的人说话不同
92than how I speak and even in Canada,而不是我说话的方式,甚至在加拿大,
93they do speak a little bit different他们说话有点不一样
94from how Americans speak usually.从美国人的说话方式。
95And then you think about inside those countries.然后,你思考 在这些国家内部。
96For example, like America.例如,像美国。
97I'm from the Midwest, I'm from Iowa.中西人,爱荷华州人.
98So what I speak is considered a very neutral accent所以,我所说的是一种非常中性的口音
99or I guess you could assume或者你可以假设
100it's the standard accent in America.这是美国的标准口音。
101But if you go to Chicago or you go to Wisconsin,但如果你去芝加哥或者威斯康辛
102you go to Minnesota, the states surrounding where I'm from,你去明尼苏达, 周围的州 我来自,
103then you're gonna hear slightly different sounds.然后,你会听到 略有不同的声音。
104There's a little bit of a difference有一点不同
105in the way that we talk, the way that we pronounce things.我们说话的方式, 我们发音的方式。
106And then you go even farther like LA or New York or Boston然后,你走得更远 像洛杉矶,纽约或波士顿
107or even like Southern parts of America,甚至像美国南部,
108they speak very differently.他们说话非常不同。
109There are so many regional accents in America.美国有这么多的区域口音.
110So when you consider all of those things,所以,当你考虑所有这些事情,
111the different countries, the different accents,不同的国家,不同的口音,
112the different ways that people speak,不同的方式 人们说话,
113it's really hard to say what the standard is.很难说标准是什么
114And I think that's okay.我觉得这没关系。
115I don't think there has to be a standard我觉得没有标准
116because we can all understand each other.因为我们都能理解对方
117Whether that's within America,不管是在美国境内
118Americans talking to each other,美国人互相交谈,
119no matter where they're from,不管他们来自哪里
120there's no struggle to communicate or to be understood.没有斗争来沟通或被理解。
121Or if I talk to someone from England,或者如果我跟英国人说话
122I talk to someone from Australia, Canada,我和来自澳大利亚、加拿大的人谈过
123as long as we speak English,只要我们说英语,
124there's really no problem communicating.沟通确实没问题
125Honestly, everyone has their own way of speaking.老实说,每个人都有自己的说话方式。
126And even an individual person甚至一个人
127might have a few little quirks可能会有一些小怪胎
128that make them stand out from other people.让他们与其他人隔绝
129So the question is,所以问题是,
130if native speakers don't all sound alike,如果当地人的声音不一样
131then who exactly are we trying to sound like?那我们到底想听谁的歌?
132This reminds me of something这让我想起一些事情
133that one of my professors said in a recent class that I took.我的一位教授在最近的一个课上说过
134And it was a class on bilingualism是双语课
135and how to raise children,以及如何抚养孩子,
136to be fluent in multiple languages, to be bilingual.能够流利地使用多种语言,成为双语。
137It was a very interesting class, I learned a lot.这是一个非常有趣的课程, 我学到了很多。
138But one day we were talking about children但有一天我们谈论孩子
139who grow up bilingual长成双语
140and how it might have an impact以及如何影响
141on the languages that they speak.他们所说的语言,
142We were talking about accents.我们在谈论口音。
143And she said, everyone has an accent.她说,每个人都有口音。
144And now upon hearing that,现在听到这个
145some of my classmates immediately disagreed.有些同学马上不同意
146They were like, what?他们喜欢,什么?
147No way, like I'm American, I only speak English.没办法,就像我是美国人,我只说英语。
148I've never even been abroad.我从来没有去过国外。
149I don't have an accent, but that's actually not true.我没有口音,但实际上并非如此。
150As long as you speak, as long as you say things,只要你说话 只要你说话
151you have an accent.你有一个口音。
152Just like I was saying, even within America,就像我说的 即使在美国
153there are different regional accents.有不同的区域口音。
154An accent is just a reflection of where you come from.口音只是你来自哪里的反映
155It's a reflection of your culture and even your family.这是你文化乃至家庭的反映.
156So yes, everyone has an accent.是的,每个人都有口音。
157There's no such thing as having no accent.岂有无口音.
158If you had no accent,如果你没有口音
159then that would mean you never spoke ever.那就意味着你从没说过话
160As language learners,作为语言学习者,
161we often see language as a tool for communication.我们经常将语言视为交流的工具。
162And I would agree with that.我同意这一点。
163I think that's true in some ways,我觉得在某些方面是真的
164but I also think that language is a symbol of your identity,但我也认为语言是你们身份的象征
165especially when it comes to accents.特别是口音
166I do think it's a part of who you are.我认为这是你的一部分。
167And I don't think it's something我觉得这没什么
168that we should be ashamed of at all.我们应该感到羞愧
169But I'm also not gonna sit here但我也不会坐在这里
170and pretend that accents don't matter at all假装口音不重要
171because unfortunately they do.因为他们很不幸
172We can't deny that sometimes people make judgments我们不能否认人们有时会做出判断
173based on how we look or how we dress根据我们的外表 或我们穿什么
174or even how we speak or what accent we have.甚至我们说话的方式 或者我们有什么口音
175So sometimes people can feel a certain type of way所以有时候人们可以感觉到某种方式
176about a certain type of accent,关于某种口音,
177and that can lead to unfair treatment and discrimination.这会导致不公平的待遇和歧视。
178This was actually proven in an experiment这是在实验中证明的
179done by someone named John Baugh.由约翰·鲍完成
180This was about 20 years ago,这是大约20年前,
181but I still think it's really prevalent today.但我还是觉得今天很流行
182He wanted to see how people perceived他想看看人们如何看待
183different types of accents.不同类型的口音。
184So what he did was he would call people on the phone.所以,他所做的是 他会打电话给人们。
185They couldn't see him.他们看不到他。
186They couldn't make any judgments about what he looked like,他们无法判断他长什么样子
187only about what he sounded like.只有他听起来像什么。
188And he would call different places他会叫不同的地方
189asking about renting opportunities.询问租房机会
190He was trying to rent an apartment.他想租个公寓
191And each time he called,每次他打电话
192he would use a different type of accent.他会用另一种口音
193He would do like a Caucasian accent.他喜欢高加索口音
194He would try like a more black accent, a Hispanic accent,他会尝试像一个更黑色的口音, 一个西班牙口音,
195just different ways of speaking,只是不同的说法,
196but he was saying the exact same things.但他也是这么说的
197The content was all the same,内容都一样
198and he was also very polite in each different accent.他的口音也非常有礼貌
199But believe it or not, it led to very different results.但信不信由你,它导致了非常不同的结果。
200The callback rate was really different回调率真的不一样了
201depending on which accent he used.取决于他用哪一种口音。
202Now, can you guess which ones didn't get a callback?你能猜到哪一个没有回电吗?
203This whole experiment basically proved这整个实验基本上证明了
204that different ways of speaking那不同的说法方式
205led to different outcomes导致不同结果
206and different opportunities in life.和不同的机会 在生活中。
207When he spoke with a black accent or Hispanic accent,当他用黑口音或西班牙口音说话时,
208he didn't really get as many callbacks.他没有得到真正的 那么多回电。
209He didn't get as many opportunities.他没有得到那么多的机会。
210After this experiment,经过这次实验,
211he coined the term linguistic profiling,他发明了语言特征分析这个术语,
212which is a kind of discrimination这是一种歧视
213against someone's race or ethnic background种族或民族背景
214based on the way that they speak根据他们说话的方式
215or the accent that they have.或他们的口音。
216So far, we've been using the word accent,目前为止,我们一直在用口音这个词
217but I actually think accent is a really broad term.但我实际上认为口音是一个非常广泛的术语。
218It's one thing to have a regional accent,有区域口音是一回事
219but I think it's a totally different thing但我觉得这完全不同
220to have an accent because English is not your first language.因为英语不是你的第一语言
221For example, maybe you know this TV show比如说,也许你知道这个电视节目
222called Modern Family,现代家庭,
223and maybe you know there's a character named Gloria.也许你知道有个叫格洛丽亚的角色
224She's very beautiful, right?她很漂亮,对吧?
225Yes, but English is not her first language.是的,但英语不是她的第一语言。
226Spanish is her native language,西班牙语是她的母语,
227and it's just kind of this running joke,这只是这种运行的笑话,
228the whole show that she speaks English in a funny way,整个节目,她说英语的方式很有趣,
229or she has this accent,或者她有这种口音,
230or she doesn't know how to say certain things.或者她不知道该怎么说
231It's kind of like this running joke.这有点像这个运行的笑话。
232People always make fun of her.人们总是取笑她。
233There is one particular episode that really struck me though,有个特别的插曲让我印象深刻
234and it's this episode where Gloria makes a new friend.这是格洛丽亚交新朋友的一集
235She makes friends with someone else她和别人交朋友
236mostly because they share the same native language.主要是因为他们有相同的母语。
237They can speak Spanish to each other.他们可以互相说西班牙语。
238They can understand each other on a deeper level他们能更深入地了解彼此
239because they share the same language,因为他们有相同的语言,
240and the people around them are kind of getting annoyed他们四周的人,是烦恼的,
241in some ways because first of all,在某些方面 因为首先,
242they don't really understand why they became friends他们真的不明白 他们为什么成为朋友
243and why they hang out together so much,还有为什么他们经常在一起
244and also they feel like they're kind of left out.而且他们觉得自己被排除在外了
245They don't understand what they're talking about.他们不懂自己在说什么。
246They don't understand the jokes that they say他们不懂他们所说的笑话
247or they don't understand why suddenly they started laughing.或者他们不明白为什么突然开始笑
248They just feel totally left out of the conversation.他们只是觉得完全被排斥在谈话之外
249But if Gloria tries to say the same things in English,但如果格洛丽亚想用英语说同样的话
250people laugh at her, people make fun of her人们嘲笑她,人们嘲笑她
251because her English isn't perfect.因为她的英语不完美
252So Gloria just gets really frustrated格洛丽亚很沮丧
253and she says something like,她说了一些类似,
254you have no idea how smart and how funny I am你不知道我有多聪明多搞笑
255when I speak Spanish.当我说西班牙语时。
256And I just think about this scene all the time我只是一直在想这个场景
257because it's so true.因为它是如此真实。
258People often mistake language ability人们常常误读语言能力
259for someone's intelligence or humor or whatever it may be.为了某人的智慧或幽默 或它可能是什么。
260Maybe it's some part of human nature也许是人性的一部分
261to judge people in this way, I don't know,以这种方式判断人们,我不知道,
262but it shouldn't be like that但不应该是这样
263because your language level is not a representation因为您的语言水平不是代表
264of how smart you are, how funny you are.你有多聪明,多有趣
265Honestly, one of the hardest things in the world老实说,这是世界上最难的事情之一
266is to be funny in another language.用另一种语言来搞笑
267It's so difficult.真难受
268And someone like Gloria having an accent like that,像格洛丽亚那样有口音的人
269it doesn't mean that she's not smart,这并不意味着她不聪明,
270she's not funny or whatever.她一点也不好笑
271It just means that she speaks more than one language.意思是她会说多种语言
272Now, after everything that I've said,现在,经过所有我说过的话,
273you might think that I'm saying你可能会认为我在说
274pronunciation doesn't matter.发音无关紧要.
275You don't have to care about it.亦不须发心.
276You don't have to work on it.不须修行.
277That's not what I'm saying at all.我根本没这么说
278I think that pronunciation is incredibly important.我认为发音非常重要
279We still need to learn how to pronounce things clearly我们还需要学会如何清晰地表达
280and we still need to practice saying things clearly我们仍然需要练习说清楚
281because that's how other people因为其他人就是这样
282are gonna be able to understand you.会理解你的
283And when you practice this pronunciation,当你练习这种发音时,
284you're getting better at understanding other people.你越来越了解别人了
285All of this is just to help you with communication.所有这一切都只是为了帮助你沟通。
286But during the process of communication,但在沟通过程中
287it's okay to have an accent.有口音没关系的
288Everyone has an accent.每个人都有口音。
289And I don't think sounding like a native speaker我觉得听起来不像一个本地人
290should be the goal.应该是目标。
291I think clear and effective communication should be the goal.我认为,目标应该是明确和有效的沟通。
292But I also do understand that it might take some time但我也明白 这可能需要一些时间
293for us to get used to the idea of accepting our accent.让我们习惯接受我们的口音
294Personally, for me, when I'm in China就我个人而言,我在中国的时候
295or when I'm speaking Chinese,或者当我说中文时
296sometimes I get embarrassed because I say things wrong.有时候我感到尴尬 因为我说错了
297I say something with the wrong tone我说话语气不对
298and someone corrects me.有人纠正我
299It can be really embarrassing,这可能会很尴尬
300but I think we just have to embrace it但我认为我们只需要拥抱它
301because going through that, being embarrassed,因为经历, 尴尬,
302making mistakes, it's how we improve.犯错误,这是我们如何改善。
303There are definitely times when I wish绝对有希望的时候
304I could sound more natural speaking Chinese.我可以听起来更自然地说中文。
305I wish I could sound exactly like a native Chinese speaker,我希望我能听起来像 一个本地的中国人,
306but it's just not realistic and that's okay.但它只是不现实,这没关系。
307People do notice accents人们会注意口音
308and some people even make judgments有些人甚至判决,
309based on someone's accent,基于某人的口音,
310but it's just like so many other things in this world.但它只是像 许多其他事情 在这个世界上。
311People judge others based on what they wear,人们根据穿什么来评判别人
312what they do, what they look like,他们做的,他们的样子,
313or what they study, et cetera, et cetera.或他们所研究的,等等。
314There are so many things that people can be judgmental of,有很多事情 人们可以做出判断,
315but I think as a language learner,但我认为作为一个语言学习者,
316it's especially important for us这对我们来说特别重要
317to just be able to accept our accent.能接受我们的口音
318I don't think that having an accent should be something我不觉得有口音应该有什么
319that stops us from making new friends,阻止我们交新朋友
320from communicating in different ways以不同方式交流
321and from seeking out other opportunities.和寻找其他机会。
322It's really not something to be ashamed of这真的没什么可羞耻的
323and having an accent is really natural.和有口音真的很自然。
324It doesn't mean that you're bad at this language.不谓此语不善.
325It doesn't mean that you're not smart, you're not capable.不谓无智无能.
326It just means that you know more than one language.意思是你知道不止一种语言
327You're bilingual, you're multilingual你是双语,你是多语种
328and that's really amazing.这真的很惊人。
329That's something we should all be proud of.我们都应该为此感到自豪。
330I think we can still keep practicing pronunciation.我想我们还可以继续练习读音.
331We can keep learning how to say things more clearly我们可以继续学习如何更明确地说
332that way we can have smoother communication later on,这样我们以后才能更顺利的沟通
333but don't let this impossible goal但不要让这个不可能的目标
334of sounding like a native speaker听起来像一个母语
335be something that makes you feel embarrassed让你觉得尴尬
336or stops you from having conversations或者阻止你说话
337and makes you feel less confident.让你觉得不那么自信
338At the end of the day,临终时.
339it's totally natural to have an accent.有口音是完全自然的。
340Everyone has one and it's just a part of you.每个人都有一个,它只是你的一部分。
341It's a part of your identity这是你身份的一部分
342and a part of your personal history.也是你个人历史的一部分
343All right, guys, if you made it to the end of this video,好吧,伙计们,如果它到这段视频的结尾,
344I want to say thank you.我想说谢谢你。
345Thanks for watching.谢谢你的观看。
346Thanks for listening.谢谢你的倾听。
347Thanks for watching all the way to the end.感谢你们一路观看到最后.
348That's really crazy.这真是疯了。
349I mean, that's great.我的意思是,这是伟大的。
350Thank you.谢谢
351And don't be shy.别害羞
352Leave a like and a comment if you learned something,如果你学到了什么,就留下类似和评论
353if you enjoyed this podcast episode.如果你喜欢这个播客插曲
354I do try to read as many comments as I can.我确实尽可能多地阅读评论。
355There are a lot of them sometimes, so I might miss a few.有时候有很多,所以我可能会想念几个。
356But I did read the comments from the last podcast episode但我读了上集播客的评论
357and I saw a lot of people saying that they enjoyed it.我看到很多人说 他们喜欢它。
358They learned a lot.他们学到了很多东西。
359You know, they liked listening to me talk.他们喜欢听我说话
360So don't worry, I'm gonna keep posting these episodes.别担心,我会继续张贴这些剧集。
361I also really like making these and talking to you guys,我也很喜欢做这些 和你们说话,
362sharing my ideas and also reading your own ideas分享我的想法 也读你自己的想法
363in the comments.在评论中。
364So, you know, don't be afraid to tell me所以,你知道, 不要害怕告诉我
365what you're thinking, what's going through your mind你在想什么,你脑子里在想什么
366at this exact moment.此时此刻
367And that's basically it for today.基本上就是今天。
368I will talk to you guys in the next video.我会在下一个视频中跟你们谈谈。
369Okay, bye bye.好吧,再见。
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