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0:00Welcome to the Jefferson Fischer podcast where I'm on a mission to make your next conversation the one that changes everything欢迎来到Jefferson Fischer播客 在那里,我的任务 是让你的下一次对话 改变一切
0:07If you enjoy learning tools to improve your communication如果你喜欢学习工具来改善沟通
0:10I'm gonna ask you to please follow this podcast and if you would leave a review or a like or a star我要请你跟随播客 如果你留下评论 或者像明星
0:16It really matters and it means a lot to me and I look at it all so if you have any topic suggestions这真的很重要,它对我很重要 我看着这一切,所以如果你有任何专题建议
0:21Just throw them in the comments my new book.把它们扔进我的新书里
0:24The next conversation is接下来的谈话是
0:26Officially out you can find the links down in the show notes正式公布后,可以在节目笔记中找到链接
0:29This is a book that's going to give you not just what to say这是本书,它会给你 不只是说什么
0:31But how to say it and give you tools但怎样说,给你工具
0:34Immediately to help give you the power to change everything about your life simply by what you say next立刻帮助你改变你生活的一切
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1Welcome to the Jefferson Fischer podcast where I'm on a mission to make your next conversation the one that changes everything欢迎来到Jefferson Fischer播客 在那里,我的任务 是让你的下一次对话 改变一切
2If you enjoy learning tools to improve your communication如果你喜欢学习工具来改善沟通
3I'm gonna ask you to please follow this podcast and if you would leave a review or a like or a star我要请你跟随播客 如果你留下评论 或者像明星
4It really matters and it means a lot to me and I look at it all so if you have any topic suggestions这真的很重要,它对我很重要 我看着这一切,所以如果你有任何专题建议
5Just throw them in the comments my new book.把它们扔进我的新书里
6The next conversation is接下来的谈话是
7Officially out you can find the links down in the show notes正式公布后,可以在节目笔记中找到链接
8This is a book that's going to give you not just what to say这是本书,它会给你 不只是说什么
9But how to say it and give you tools但怎样说,给你工具
10Immediately to help give you the power to change everything about your life simply by what you say next立刻帮助你改变你生活的一切
11I'm really proud of it.我真的为此感到骄傲。
12Everything's going well, and I'm excited to share it with you一切都很顺利,我很高兴能跟你分享
13Also, if you're wanting to continue to practice your new communication skills还有 如果你想继续练习新的交流技巧
14我鼓励你去Jefferson Fischer通讯学院
15Or a lot of exciting things are happening.或者很多令人兴奋的事情正在发生。
16I have a whole library of resources我有一大堆资源
17I have an AI that can help answer texts and emails for you from that我有一个人工智能,可以帮助回答 短信和电子邮件从这一点。
18Difficult co-worker and on top of that we have live classes and a whole lot of fun困难的同工,我们还有活的课 和很多乐趣
19You can also find that link down in the show notes if you've ever wondered how the great communicators become great你也可以在节目笔记中找到这个链接 如果你曾经想知道 伟大的传播者是如何成为伟大的
20Communicators well, you're in for a treat on this episode today.通讯员好,你今天要请客
21We're hearing from Charles查尔斯的消息
22Duhigg this guy is not only a杜希格 这家伙不只是个
23Pulitzer Prize winning journalist.普利策奖获奖记者.
24He is a an amazing author and somebody I am actually他是一个惊人的作者,而我其实是一个
25Geeking over to talk to you about as somebody who loves communication because he has a book out that is called Super来跟你谈谈 作为喜欢交流的人 因为他有本书 叫做Super
26communicators and通讯员和
27I just can't wait to get into it and and talk about it我迫不及待想进去谈谈
28He's a dad of two I believe and I know you're over in California Charles.他是两个爸爸 我相信 我知道你在加州查尔斯
29Thanks for coming on谢谢你能来
30Thank you for having me.谢谢你邀请我
31This is such a treat.真是个好东西
32Yeah, it has been so cool.是啊,它一直这么酷。
33As soon as your book came out.汝书一出.
34I一、导 言
35Immediately ran and got it because I just don't find that there's that many resources on立刻跑过来,因为我发现没有那么多资源
36Communication.沟通.
37I want to make sure that I我想确保我
38hit this question that I've it stuck out with me in the book and这个问题,我把它卡在书里
39Is that the most persuasive people don't argue their point?这是最有说服力的人不争论他们的观点吗?
40They ask great他们问得好
41questions问 题
42Absolutely, and if I could write that down to put it on my mirror every day, I that's exactly what I would do当然,如果我能写下来 每天把它放在我的镜子上, 我这正是我会做的
43Can you tell us more about what that means to you and how people can people listening to it right now?你能告诉我们更多关于这对你意味着什么 以及人们如何可以听到它现在?
44How can they apply it in there every day from the kitchen to the living room to their workplace?他们每天从厨房到客厅到工作室都怎么放进去?
45Asking great questions.问甚深法门.
46No, it's it what's really interesting is, you know when researchers started sort of identifying these folks that we we call consistent不,这是真正有趣的是, 你知道当研究人员开始 确定这些人,我们称之为一致的
47Super-communicators because we're all super communicators at one time or another超级通讯员,因为我们都是超级通讯员
48But but some people can essentially kind of connect with anyone但有些人基本上可以和任何人联系
49The number one behavior that they found was that these people tended to ask 10 to 20 times as many questions as the average person他们发现的头一个行为是 这些人往往问 10到20倍于普通人的问题
50And and and what's interesting though is and we all know people like this some of the questions you don't even register as questions有趣的是 我们都知道这样的人 有些问题你甚至不登记为问题
51They'll say things like, you know, oh, what do you think about that or you know, what do you say next?他们会说,你知道, 哦,你觉得怎么样 或者你知道,你说什么?
52Essentially invitations to share with them主要邀请他们分享
53but then some of the questions that they are very comfortable asking are what are known as deep questions and但有些问题 他们很自在地问 所谓的深层问题
54a deep question is something that asks someone about their values or their beliefs or their experiences and一个很深的问题是,有人问到他们的价值观、信仰或经历,
55That can sound kind of intimidating right when I'm like, oh you should ask people about their values or their experiences这听起来有点吓人 当我喜欢, 哦,你应该问 人们关于他们的价值观或经历
56Except that it's as simple as you know, if you meet someone who's a doctor instead of saying, you know只不过你知道的很简单 如果你遇到一个医生 而不是说
57Oh, what hospital do you work at you could ask?你在哪间医院工作?
58Oh, what made you decide to go to medical school?哦,是什么让你决定去医学院?
59Right that second question that invites the person to tell you something real, right?正确的第二个问题,请人 告诉你一些真实的东西,对不对?
60That invites them to tell you sort of what they believe in or what their experiences were as a kid that sort of led them他们想告诉你 他们相信什么 或者他们小时候的经历
61To where they are.到其所处.
62Yeah, that's a really powerful question.是啊,这是一个非常强大的问题。
63And and so I think that the most persuasive people所以我认为最有说服力的人
64They recognize the best communicator super communicators recognize他们承认最好的通讯员 超级通讯员认识到
65Asking these deep questions is just as easy as asking shallow questions问这些深层问题和问浅层问题一样容易
66But when I ask a deep question但当我问一个很深的问题
67I'm inviting you to have a real conversation with me我邀请你跟我好好谈谈
68And when you know that I'm listening to you you start to listen to me and then and then we're persuading each other当你知道我在听 你开始听我说 然后我们互相说服
69Yes, absolutely.是的,当然。
70It's这是
71What I hear is this everyday small talk that people feel most people feel anxious about that我所听到的是,这种日常的小 谈话,人们觉得大多数人 感到焦虑
72I don't want to ask the question to be too much我不想问太多问题
73you can have surface questions and deep questions and the great communicators have a你可以有表面问题 和深层问题 和伟大的沟通者有一个
74{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}在提出深层问题方面 绝妙的技巧
75Sound just like the shallow ones.听起来就像浅薄的
76That's exactly right.没错
77You're not having to you know feel like what is your deepest desire?你不需要知道 感觉你最深的欲望是什么?
78Tell me about your childhood like these things that right?跟我说说你的童年 是这样吗?
79Oh, I don't I don't know you哦,我不认识你
80Is that is that the way you feel about it?这就是你的感受吗?
81Like if you're gonna就像你会
82Conversation and instead of this what else question mark versus what else like you finding ways of sounding them?谈话,而不是这样... ...还有什么问题标记... ...而你喜欢什么方法去发声?
83Sound like a statement听起来像一个声明
84That's definitely half of it right is that half of it is I can ask you a deep question that sounds like a shallow question这绝对是一半的权利 一半的权利是 我可以问你一个很深的问题 这听起来像一个很浅的问题
85So and oftentimes that's just a matter of asking you.所以经常只是问你的问题
86Here's here's the big tip is instead of asking you about the facts of your life这里有个大消息 不是问你生活的事实
87Ask you a question that would prompt you to talk about how you feel about your life问你一个问题 让你能谈谈你对人生的感受
88So instead of just asking, you know, where do you live?而不是问,你知道,你住在哪里?
89Oh, I live in the Heights.哦,我住在高地里。
90Oh, what do you like about the Heights?你喜欢高地吗?
91Right or you know对,或者你知道
92You can do it with almost anything.你几乎什么都做得到.
93It's very very easy很简单
94Now the thing is that that's a great way to start a conversation and there's a guy named Nick Epley at the University of Chicago现在的问题是,这是一个伟大的方法 开始一个谈话 有一个叫尼克·埃普利的家伙 在芝加哥大学
95Who's basically spent studied deep questions his whole career.基本上被花光的人 深究了他的职业生涯
96I think that once you ask an easy-to-ask deep question我想一旦你问了一个容易问的深层问题
97It's actually much easier and much more welcome to ask a deep question问一个很深的问题,其实容易多了,欢迎多了
98That seems like a deep question, right if I ask you, you know, what do you like about the Heights and you say?这似乎是一个很深的问题, 如果我问你,你知道, 你喜欢什么 关于高地,你说?
99Well, the sense of community is amazing up there.嗯,社区感是惊人的上面。
100Oh, yeah, wait, like what like tell me about it.哦,是的,等待,喜欢告诉我它。
101Like what's the community?像是什么社区?
102Well, you know, my wife passed away a year ago and my neighbors have been there for me我妻子一年前去世了 邻居一直陪着我
103Then suddenly it's totally okay for me to say oh, I'm so sorry.突然间,我完全可以说 哦,我很抱歉。
104Like tell me about your wife.跟我说说你妻子
105What was she like?她长什么样?
106Right.对
107What research shows is that we don't have a resistance to deep questions研究表明,我们没有 抵抗深刻的问题
108We have a resistance to deep questions that move a little bit too quickly我们遇到的深层问题 反应太快了
109But you can actually move fast if you ramp up the intimacy and so if I但是,你实际上可以快速移动 如果你加强亲密,所以如果我
110Ask you a question and this is the other thing that super communicators do and I think you talk about this in your own work问你一个问题,这是另一件事 超级通讯员做 我想你在自己的作品中谈论这个问题
111A lot that they look for opportunities很多他们寻找的机会
112Where people are trying to tell them what they want to talk about right?哪里有人想告诉他们他们想谈什么?
113So let's take someone passing away所以,让我们带一个人过世
114This is the most night my own这是我最美好的夜晚
115My father passed away about seven years ago, and I went back to work.父亲大约七年前去世,我回去工作.
116I was working the New York Times at that point当时我在《纽约时报》工作
117I went back to work and I had this this experience that I think everyone has had which is我回去工作,我有这种经历, 我想每个人都有,这是
118You know people say oh, where were you last week and you say I was at my dad's funeral and they all say the same thing你知道人们说哦,你在哪里上周 你说我在我爸爸的葬礼, 他们都说同样的事情
119They all say oh my condolences.他们都对我表示哀悼
120I'm so sorry对不起
121And then they move on to whatever you were talking about before right because like they don't know what to say然后他们继续你所说的一切 因为像他们不知道该说什么
122But anyone who's been through that experience knows that if somebody were to say like, oh, I'm so sorry但任何经历过这种经历的人都知道 如果有人说,哦,我很抱歉
123Like tell me what your dad was like比如告诉我你爸爸是什么样的人
124What was because that's all you've been thinking about for the last two weeks过去两周你一直在想这些
125Right as you've been thinking about your dad and the funeral and the eulogies and how much they touched you你一直想着你爸爸 葬礼 尤洛吉夫妇 他们多感动你
126And so I think what super communicators do is they look for people to offer them所以我认为超级通讯员所做的是 他们寻找人给他们
127Invitations and then they accept those invitations邀请,然后他们接受这些邀请
128even if accepting that invitation means I'm gonna ask you something that maybe is not something that即使接受邀请意味着我会问你一些 也许不是什么
129That I normally would ask right?我通常会问对吗?
130Maybe maybe I sit down next to you in a in a meeting and you tell me about you fact that you went to your kids也许我坐在你旁边 在一个会议 你告诉我关于你的事实 你去了你的孩子
131Graduation that weekend and instead of just saying oh congratulations, that's awesome.那周末毕业 而不是只说恭喜,这是真棒。
132Let's get down to the agenda.让我们开始议程。
133I say oh congratulations我说恭喜
134That's awesome.这是真棒。
135What did it feel like to watch your kid walk across that stage?看着你的孩子穿过舞台是什么感觉?
136Yeah, that's when suddenly we're connecting with each other.是啊,这时我们突然 连接彼此。
137I love that not asking about facts ask about how they feel我喜欢不问事实 问他们的感受
138That's something that's immediately applicable that somebody could apply and right now and I what I see too is in这是立即适用的东西 有人可以申请 现在和现在 而我看到的也是在
139My line as in work of as an attorney in cross-examination when you're asking somebody questions a我的工作是当律师 当你问别人的问题时
140lot of the time you can tell很多时间,你可以告诉
141What they're wanting to talk about based on how they end their first sentence他们想谈什么 根据他们是如何结束他们的第一句
142Oh, that's interesting when they end their answer.哦,这很有趣 当他们结束他们的答案。
143They might end it their answer just a little bit short他们可能会结束他们的回答 只是有点短
144Because they are trying to invite you to let them in just a little bit more the talk just a little bit more因为他们想邀请你 让他们多说点话
145So it's very telling how they end their answer they might end it on like a cliffhanger or somebody might say所以很能说明他们是如何结束他们的答案的 他们可能会像悬崖吊车一样结束 或者有人会说
146You know, yeah, and so they might they might end it with it.你知道,是的,所以他们可能 结束它。
147Yeah, so对,所以
148You know that's and they just they they've kind of hit a dead end你知道那是,他们只是 他们已经打到了死胡同
149They're not sure how to get there and so they're inviting you to kind of help me.他们不知道怎么去 所以邀请你帮我
150Yeah walk me through that door是啊,送我穿过那扇门
151I think that's huge and I think that's there's such a such a great insight that like just by paying attention to the我认为这是巨大的, 我认为这是一个 这样一个伟大的洞察力,
152弧杠 Ca
153Sometimes when we're communicating with someone we assume that they are communicating by accident, right?有时当我们和某个人交流时 我们假设他们是偶然的,对吧?
154Oh, you mentioned you mentioned your kid's graduation, but you don't want to talk about your greatest resolution哦,你提到你提到 你的孩子的毕业, 但你不想谈论 你最大的决议
155You mentioned that you were at a funeral, but you don't want to talk about the funeral你提到你参加了葬礼 但你不想谈葬礼的事
156That's not how communication works.沟通不是这样的
157You mentioned things that we want to talk about你提到我们想谈的事
158We avoid things that we don't want to talk about我们避开我们不想谈的事情
159So if somebody has brought something up with you that shouldn't be like, oh no所以如果有人向你提起不该是
160I kind of touched the third rail there that should be oh this this person like they want me to ask about that我碰了第三根栏杆 应该是哦 这人就像他们要我问的
161That's so funny.这太好笑了
162Yeah, so my my grandfather would have this habit of when we'd be like at a restaurant all together是啊,所以我的祖父 会有这样的习惯 当我们会像在餐厅 一起
163and和
164he'd ask you, you know, Jefferson is that a他会问你,你知道,杰斐逊是一个
165How's that that fish and I'd say well, it's it's great那条鱼怎么样,我说得好,很好
166And it was an invitation for me to say would you like a bite like that?我邀请你说你想吃这种东西吗?
167Always is like go to if he's would say yeah, how's that?总是喜欢去,如果他会说是,怎么样?
168How's that chicken right there?那个鸡怎么样?
169And it's his way of saying like that looks good.这是他说话的方式 看起来像很好。
170And I invite me go would you like anybody go?我邀请我去,你愿意有人去吗?
171Yeah, I think I would是的,我想我会
172Sound like a super communicator.听起来像超级通讯员。
173I think you knew what he wanted我想你知道他想要的是什么
174It's the invitation right there is what you're hearing.你听到的就是邀请
175I love that.我喜欢
176The takeaway is外卖是
177Instead of trying to push your point or even in the small little everyday而不是试图推进你的观点 甚至在小小的日常
178Conversations you find ways to ask more questions super communicators ask much more你找方法问更多的问题 超级通讯员问的更多
179Than the average person on questions that they can put in to somebody else.比普通人的问题 他们可以给别人。
180Yeah, right the takeaways invest in the questions是啊,正确的外卖 投资的问题
181I think that's exactly right exactly it.我觉得这完全正确
182I love that我喜欢
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184The reason why I went with cozy was because hard to use their products their sheets are on my bed right now是因为很难使用他们的产品 他们的床单现在在我床上
185My wife loves their pajamas.我妻子很喜欢他们的睡衣
186I love their hoodies their sweatshirts their blankets我喜欢他们的帽衫 汗衫和毯子
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188You can go to cozy earth comm slash Jefferson and use the code Jefferson for 40% off你可以去舒适的地球 通讯刀 杰斐逊 并使用代码杰斐逊 40%关闭
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190If you're a blanket person if you're a sheet person if you're a towel person, they're who you want.如果你是一个毯子人 如果你是一个床单人 如果你是一个毛巾人, 他们是你想要的。
191Go to cozy earth去舒适的地球
192In your book super communicators, which is fantastic.在你的书中,超级通讯员, 这太棒了。
193I encourage everybody right now while you're listening to this episode我鼓励大家现在 当你听这集时
194Just go run and buy it.去买吧
195It's it's it's wonderful.谓之妙法.
196Thank you谢谢
197You talk about three types of conversations that people could be in really at any given time and that to me when I read it你谈论三种类型的对话, 人们可以真正在任何特定的时间 和我读它的时候
198It was just going oh, that's really cool and kind of breaking it up into I'm very visual它只是去 哦,这真的很酷 和那种打破它 我非常视觉
199Like any time you're in a conversation you have like a yellow wire a blue wire and a you know每当你说话的时候 就像黄线、蓝线和你知道的
200Which one to pull and what you do so well as you synthesize these and to say hey really any time you're in conversation哪个可以拉,什么你做的很好 你合成这些,并说你好 真的,当你在谈话
201You're in one of these three boxes.你在这三盒里
202Can you tell us about that?你能告诉我们吗?
203Yeah, absolutely是啊,当然
204and this actually started a couple years ago before I wrote the book because I got into this bad habit with my wife which is这实际上开始 几年前,我写这本书 因为我有这种坏习惯 我的妻子,这是
205I'd come home from work and I start complaining about my day我下班回家 开始抱怨我的一天
206You know, like my boss doesn't appreciate me and my co-workers don't realize what a genius I am你知道,就像我的老板不欣赏我, 我的同事不知道我是一个天才
207And and she would give me this really good advice她会给我这个非常好的建议
208She would say why don't you take your boss out to lunch and get to know each other a little bit better她会说,你为什么不带你的老板出去吃午饭 和得到更多的了解对方。
209And instead of being able to hear what she was saying, I would get more upset, right?而不是能够听到她说的话 我会更生气,对不对?
210Which I think every couple has experiences this and so I went to researchers and I was like, look, I'm a professional communicator我觉得每对夫妇都有这种经历 所以我去找了研究者 我就像 我是专业通讯员
211Why do I keep falling into the same trap?为什么我总是陷入同样的陷阱?
212Like why do why do I try and solve her problems when she just wants me to listen and empathize?就像为什么我试图解决她的问题 她只是想让我倾听和同情她?
213Why does the exact opposite occur and they said well, here's what we figured out为什么正好相反, 他们说好,这是我们想出来的
214Just actually in the last decade with neural imaging is that when you're in a discussion事实上在过去十年里 神经成像是 当你在讨论的时候
215You think you know what that discussion is about and you usually think it's about one thing你以为你知道讨论的内容 你通常认为只有一件事
216You think it's about where to go on vacation next year你觉得明年的假期该去哪?
217Yeah, and they said what's actually true is that if we could see inside your head what we would see is that that discussion is made是的,他们说,事实上的真相是 如果我们能看到你的大脑里,我们会看到
218up of different kinds of conversations不同种类的对话
219right and and权利以及
220All these conversations are all happening during one discussion and they tend to fall into one of three buckets as you pointed out所有这些对话都是在一次讨论中发生的,它们往往会掉进三桶中的一桶。
221So in general our conversations are either practical conversations where we're making plans or solving problems together or they're emotional一般来说,我们的对话 要么是实际的对话 在那里我们制定计划 要么一起解决问题 要么是感情上的
222Conversations where I'm telling you what I'm feeling and I don't want you to solve my feelings交谈,我告诉你 我的感觉,我不想你解开我的感情
223I want you to empathize or their social conversations about how we relate to each other and have what how we relate to society and the我要你同情或他们的社交对话 关于我们如何联系 并有我们如何联系社会和
224identities that are important to us and对我们很重要的身份
225They said all three of those kinds of conversations are all equally legitimate and all three of them will probably happen during a discussion他们说这三种对话都一样合法 很可能在讨论期间进行
226If it goes on long enough如果时间够长
227But the key is if you and the person you're talking to aren't having the same kind of conversation at the same moment但关键是如果你和你说话的人 在同一时刻没有同样的谈话
228You will not feel connected to each other你们不会觉得彼此有联系
229In fact, you'll have trouble actually hearing what the other person is saying.事实上,你听不懂别人说什么
230And so that's what was happening with me and my wife, right?我和我妻子就是这样的 对吧?
231I was having an emotional conversation.我有一个情感谈话。
232She was having a practical conversations.她有一个实际的对话。
233They're both equally legitimate他们都一样合法
234But because they weren't the same kind of conversation at the same moment, we couldn't hear each other但是,由于他们不是 同样的谈话在同一时刻, 我们无法听到对方
235Yeah, that's where somebody says you're not listening to me.是啊,这就是有人说 你没有听我说。
236You know exactly right, right, right?你很清楚,对不对?
237And you're like I can repeat back exactly what you just said你就像我可以重复你刚才说的话
238But the truth is you're not actually listening you think you're listening但事实是你实际上没有在听 你以为你在听
239But because you're not in the same mindset as this other person because you're not hearing that.但因为你和这人不一样 因为你没有听到
240Oh, this is an emotional conversation哦,这是一段感情对话
241This isn't practical conversation.这不是实际的谈话。
242You're missing the important parts of what they're saying.你错过了他们所说的重要内容
243Yeah, I find that in those moments是的,我发现在那些时刻
244It's the person is not looking for reciprocal words.是人不求对言.
245They're looking for reciprocal feeling他们正在寻找对等的感觉
246Emotional conversation when you're complaining about your day当你抱怨你的日子时 感情上的对话
247You're looking for a feeling from that other person the acknowledgement words don't do it words don't give it你想从另一个人那里得到一种感觉... ...承认的话不做... ...
248It's the emotion the feeling that you go.你走的感觉就是感情
249Okay now we've connected the your white wire with my white wire好了 现在我们把你的白线和我的白线连在一起了
250And now I now we're connected.瞷иΤ闽玒
251Well, and what's amazing is that our words can actually disagree with us and will still feel connected令人惊奇的是 我们的言语实际上与我们不同 并且仍然会觉得彼此相连
252So like let's say we're talking about politics and we're both voting for different people所以说我们谈的是政治 我们都是为不同的人投票
253But you say like, you know但你说,像,你知道
254The thing that's most important to me is security because my own family has been threatened by crime in my area对我最重要的就是安全 因为我的家 被我这里的犯罪威胁
255Now I could say like oh but crimes down across the nation right you're saying you're making an emotional statement现在,我可以说,哦,但是犯罪 在全国,正确的,你是说 你正在做一个情感陈述
256I could say respond with something practical我可以说用实用的回答
257But if I say, you know, I totally I I feel that fear但是如果我说,你知道, 我完全感到恐惧
258I know what that fear is like now my solution is I think a little bit different from your solution我知道现在的恐惧是什么样 我的解决办法是 我觉得和你的解决办法有点不同
259But but I think that we have this thing in common但我觉得我们有共同点
260Even though we're our words will disagree with each other.虽然言语相违.
261We will feel more connectedи穦稰谋Τ闽玒
262There's actually something that has evolved in our brain其实我们大脑里有些东西在进化
263Social reciprocity that makes it impossible for us not to feel a little bit more connected when we're having the same kind of社会对等性 使我们无法不感到 更多的联系 当我们有同样的
264Conversation at the same moment.同时议论.
265That's wild这太疯狂了
266Yeah, it's really fun.是啊,这真的很有趣。
267Isn't it fun like the that we can be excited about communication like this我们能这么兴奋的交流 是不是很有趣?
268We're part of the weirdos man我们是怪人的一员
269Well, and yet at the same time everyone communicates all day long, right?好吧,但与此同时,每个人都 沟通一整天,对不对?
270The number this is the most important skill you can have as an attorney you could be that I'm you tell me but I imagine you这个号码是你作为律师所能掌握的 最重要的技能... ...你可以告诉我...
271Could be the finest legal mind on the planet.这可能是地球上最好的法律思想。
272And if you can't communicate it doesn't matter如果你不能沟通 那不重要
273Yeah, it doesn't matter a lick.是啊,这不重要。
274No, it doesn't不,没有
275Yeah, look, I mean in and it it's so funny that you might have these brilliant minds是啊,你看,我的意思是, 它是如此的有趣,你可能 这些聪明的头脑
276But then the clients don't want to work with them because they don't feel like there's that service like they can talk for this person's yet但客户不想和他们合作 因为他们觉得没有那种服务 就像他们能为这个人说话一样
277Brilliant and there's so it's such a difference between your trial litigators and the people that are let's say more transactional聪明极了,你受审的 律师和那些 交易性更强的人之间有如此不同之处
278And so it's just so funny to to hear that and experience that but yeah听到这个和经历太有趣了 但是是的
279Communications a wonderful wonderful thing now.通讯现在是一个美妙的事物。
280I know that you also我知道你也一样
281You've done so much research.你做了这么多研究。
282In fact have a whole separate book on just habits the power of yeah habits事实上,有一本单独的书 专门介绍习性
283And of course everybody's looking for better habits.当然每个人都在找更好的习惯
284What would you say to the person listening right now is one habit?你会怎么说的人 现在听是一个习惯?
285That they can work towards in their life right now to simply improve their communication他们现在可以努力改善他们的交流
286So it's so asking those deep questions is a great habit, right?问这些深层问题真是好习惯,对吧?
287That's one thing and it's and it literally is a habit if you just kind of practice it you get it这是一件事,它和字面上的习惯 如果你只是练习一种,你得到它
288You start doing it without thinking about it.你开始做它 不考虑它。
289But there's another habit that's really really useful, which is但另一种习惯真的很有用,那就是
290Proving that you are listening证明你在听
291So one of the things that the research tells us and I'm sure you know this as as an attorney is that oftentimes所以,研究告诉我们的一件事 我相信你知道,作为一个律师
292Simply listening is not enough because the other person they have this sneaking suspicion仅仅听是不够的,因为另一个人 他们有这个偷偷的怀疑
293Particularly if this is a tough conversation if this is something we disagree about anyone if it's seeking suspicion特别是如果这是个艰难的谈话 如果这是我们不同意的东西 如果有人在寻找怀疑
294You're not actually listening.你没在听
295You're just pretending to listen and you're waiting your turn to speed, right?你只是假装听 和你在等待你的转速,对不对?
296Like yeah, like yeah, you're just you're just staying silent until I shut up for a minute and then you're gonna jump in就像是的,就像是的, 你只是保持缄默 直到我闭嘴一分钟 然后你会跳进去
297So one of the things that we found is really important particularly in what are known as conflict conversations, right?因此,我们发现的一件事 真的很重要 特别是在所谓的冲突对话,对不对?
298Where we just might we might disagree with each other or we might be talking about something我们可能彼此意见不一 也可能是在谈论什么
299That's hard to talk about like politics or religion in those conversations在那些对话中很难谈政治或宗教
300It's really really powerful to prove that we're listening and actually the proving part is is a habit证明我们在听 证明是习惯
301So there's a technique for it known as lubing for understanding that they they teach basically in every law school now因此,有一个技术 被称为Lubing 理解,他们基本上 教学 在现在的每一个法学院
302And it has these three parts.它有三个部分。
303The part one is to ask a question preferably a deep question, right?第一部分是问一个问题 最好是一个深层的问题,对不对?
304Part two step two is when the person has answered that question第二部分第二步是当一个人回答了这个问题
305Try and repeat back in your own words用你自己的话重复一遍
306Which you heard them say and you've actually already done this a couple times in this conversation, right?你听到他们说的 你在这段谈话中已经做过几次了 对吧?
307What I hear you saying is and I'm gonna prove to you not only because the goal here is not mimicry我听到你说的是 我要向你证明 不仅仅是因为目标不是模仿
308I'm gonna prove to you that not only am I paying attention我要向你证明 我不仅在注意
309I'm actually processing what you're thinking right or what you're saying其实我正在处理你的想法或你说的
310I can I can put it into different words and maybe even give you a little insight on it我可以用不同的话来说 甚至给你一点洞察力
311That you didn't have when you said it and most of us do step one and step two intuitively你说的时候你没有 而且我们大多数都是直觉的一步二步
312Step three is the one I always forget and this is where the habit comes in is我总是忘记第三步 习惯就在这里
313Once I repeat back what I heard you say ask if I got it, right一旦我重复我听到的 问你有没有得到,对吗?
314Did I hear you correctly?我听的对吗?
315I mean because when we do that what we're actually doing is we're asking for the other person我的意思是,当我们这样做时,我们实际上是在要求另一个人
316permission to acknowledge权限确认
317That we were listening我们在听
318And if I believe you are listening to me, I become much much more likely to listen to you in return如果我相信你在听我的话 我就会更愿意听你的
319So when I ask you permission to acknowledge that I was listening and you say yeah, I think you heard what I was saying所以当我请求你同意承认我在听 你说是的,我想你听到了我说的话
320You suddenly become much more likely to listen to me even on a subconscious level and that looping for understanding.你突然更愿意听我的 即使是在潜意识的层次 和循环的理解。
321That's entirely habit这完全是习惯
322Yes, I I could not agree more是的,我不能再认同了
323Listen, I care about you if you're listening to this podcast听着,我关心你 如果你听这个播客
324I care about you and because I care about you as somebody who also loves communication and conversations我关心你,因为我在乎你 作为一个也喜欢交流和谈话的人
325I know that you can't just have all these conversations in your head.我知道你不能在脑子里说这些话
326Yeah, I can give you advice是的,我可以给你建议
327But sometimes you need more you need to talk to somebody else who's trained in但有时你需要更多 你需要跟别人谈谈 谁受过训练
328Helping guide you through this and that's where therapy comes in.帮助引导你渡过难关 那就是治疗的源头
329I go to therapy我去治疗
330It's incredibly helpful and a sponsor of this podcast is better help what they do这个播客的赞助商 最好能帮助他们的工作
331It's an online platform where they can connect you with online therapists这是一个在线平台 他们可以连接你与在线治疗师
332All you have to do is fill out a quick questionnaire and they match you with a therapist你只需要填写一个快速的问卷 他们会给你一个治疗师
333And if it doesn't work out with somebody else, they can easily switch you to somebody new如果和别人不合作 他们可以轻易把你换成新人
334But the point is you're getting it out and diving deeper for better answers because conversations come with questions但重点是你要把它找出来 更深入地寻找更好的答案 因为对话会提出问题
335Therapy comes with answers.治疗有答案
336You can go to better help comm slash Jefferson Fisher for a discount on your first month你可以去更好的帮助通讯刀 杰斐逊费舍尔 在你的第一个月打折
337That's better help comm slash Jefferson Fisher最好能帮助通讯切开杰斐逊·费舍尔
338Put it in a nutshell how I interpret this is that for anybody listening number one简言之,我怎么解释的,是 对于任何听第一
339If you can ask a question instead of the response如果你可以提问而不是回答
340so anytime somebody sharing something with you we make a mistake when we all of a sudden start talking about ourselves like like所以每当有人和你分享一些东西 我们都会犯一个错误 当我们突然开始谈论自己喜欢
341Charles was saying you're just kind of waiting to be like no actually, you know what I did the other day and查尔斯说,你只是 那种等待 像没有,实际上,你知道我做了什么 前一天,
342Instead of actually listening to somebody you can cure all that simply by asking one question one that I like to ask is而不是真正听别人的 你只要问一个问题就能治愈一切
343Asking them.问他们。
344What was your favorite part because everybody has a favorite part什么是你最喜欢的部分 因为每个人都有一个最喜欢的部分
345I do this with my kids and I'm sure you have the same thing with yours我和我的孩子们一起做这个 我敢肯定,你和你的孩子也一样
346Days done and if I say how was your day?几天过去了 如果我说你今天过得怎么样?
347It's good.不错
348Like it's fine.如是细细.
349Yeah.对
350Yeah, what'd you learn?是啊,你学到了什么?
351I don't know likeиぃ笵
352If I ask what was your favorite part如果我问你最喜欢的是什么
353They almost always come up with something他们几乎总是想出什么来
354That was like uh, this is the thing that is my favorite part这就像呃,这是我最喜欢的部分
355And if you can just ask that one question it makes them feel like you're actually what they said has如果你能问一个问题 让他们觉得你就是他们说的
356Values instead of trying to step on their their story or step on what they're trying to share because you're really trying to be relatable价值观而不是试图踩踏他们的故事 或者踩踏他们想要分享的东西 因为你真的想要重塑
357But in some sense you're you're taking that away但从某种意义上说,你正在夺走它
358So asking just one question and then almost repeating back what they said所以只问一个问题 然后几乎重复他们说的话
359To make you feel that connection is just a brilliant strategy and it works让你觉得这种联系 只是一个辉煌的策略 它的工作
360Every time I mean i've seen it每次我指我看见它
361And what I love about that question is what what's your favorite part?我最爱问的是 你最喜欢什么?
362Is it what you're actually asking is how do you feel about your day?你实际上在问的是 你对今天的感受如何?
363Yeah, what was the part of your day that made you feel good?是啊,什么是你一天的部分 让你感觉很好?
364What was the part of your day that that didn't make you feel good, right?你那天有什么不会让你感觉好点的,对吧?
365That's that's why I think that question is so powerful with my kids这就是为什么我认为这个问题 对我的孩子是如此强大
366I try and um, I have a 13 year old and a 16 year old我试着,嗯,我有一个13岁和一个16岁
367You know when I ask them about their friends你知道我问他们朋友的事时
368I ask them questions like what do you admire about jasper like it seems like you like him a lot我问他们问题 就像你对Jasper的崇拜是什么 就像你喜欢他一样
369Right because at that moment what i'm actually asking them is i'm asking them对,因为当时我真正要问的是... 我问的是他们
370How do you feel about friendship?你对友谊有什么感觉?
371How do you feel about this particular guy?你觉得这个家伙怎么样?
372How do you what are the things you look for you value in another person and we like being asked questions like that, right?你对别人的看法如何? 我们喜欢被问到这样的问题,对吧?
373We really do we really do anytime we get to um, I think talk about我们真的做我们真的做 只要我们得到嗯,我想谈谈
374The emotion behind the words.词背后的情感.
375We're really searching for that.我们真的在寻找这个
376I that's exactly I hear you on that a thousand percent我听到的就是这千分百
377Because when you when you say what's your favorite part, it's not something practical因为当你说出你最喜欢的部分时 这不切实际
378It's not saying what you know knowledge did you receive?这不是说你知道的 你得到的知识?
379It's a这是一个
380Being a favor or having a favor.做一个忙或有一个忙。
381It's a feeling这是一种感觉
382Of that's exactly right.完全没错
383This is what I gravitated towards the most这是我最引人注意的
384Maya angelou has this quote that that that research has borne out that玛雅·安杰鲁(Maya Angelou)有一句引文指出,研究证明,
385Nobody will remember what you say, but they will remember how they how you made them feel没有人会记得你说的话,但他们会记得 你让他们的感受
386And it's exactly right这是正确的
387now I did want to address something that you had said before because you're you're exactly right asking these questions can be really powerful and现在,我确实想谈谈你之前说过的一些话, 因为你是对的,你问这些问题可能非常有力,
388And there's a there are times when有的时候
389Sharing about ourselves can feel really selfish, right?分享我们自己会觉得很自私 对吧?
390If somebody says, you know, oh, you know, I如果有人说,你知道, 哦,你知道,我
391If we ask where'd you go on vacation and they say oh I went to you know狦и拜度安 弧и
392I went to spain and then you realize pretty quickly我去了西班牙,然后你很快意识到
393They only ask because they want to tell you about their vacation and the fancy yacht that they stayed on right exactly他们只因想告诉你他们的假期 和他们留在正确的游艇
394Yeah, that's not great是啊,这是不好的
395But there are times when looping for understanding proving we're listening does call on us to share something about ourselves但有时, 循环理解 证明我们正在听,
396but the the takeaway here is但这里的外卖是
397When you share something about yourself当你分享自己的东西
398It should be应该是
399Because you want to connect with the other person you want to show them that you want to connect as opposed to因为你想和另一个人联系 你要向他们证明你想要联系而不是
400I want to steal the spotlight from you我想偷你的聚光灯
401Yeah, and so oftentimes what we'll see is you know是啊,我们经常看到的是,你知道
402Someone will say oh, you know my aunt passed away last week and someone will say I know exactly what that's like有人会说,哦,你知道我姨妈上周去世了 有人会说,我很清楚这是什么样子
403My dog died seven years ago and I still think about like that's not i'm not trying to share to connect with you我的狗七年前就死了 我仍然想着那不是我想和你分享
404I'm trying to steal the spotlight from you and and yeah aim it on myself我试图从你身上偷走聚光灯 并用它瞄准自己
405But to say to someone oh I you know但说给别人 哦,你知道的
406I was really close to my aunt too我也跟我姨妈很亲近
407And it she was such an important part of my life like tell me a little bit about your aunt like like what was she like?她是我的生命中很重要的一部分 比如告诉我一些关于你姨妈的事情 比如她是什么样子的?
408In that case what i'm actually doing is i'm sharing of myself.那样的话,我真正要做的就是分享我自己
409I'm engaging in that social reciprocity我在做社会对等
410Right which feels really good and meaningful and trustworthy感觉很好 有意义 值得信赖的权利
411But i'm doing it in the service of trying to connect with you show you that I want to connect with you and learn from you但我这样做是为了努力与你联系 向你们证明我想与你们联系 向你们学习
412I find that even if somebody's telling me let's say about their hard day我发现,即使有人告诉我, 让我们说说他们的艰难一天
413You just say how was your day and they go on and on and on and you simply just say that sounds hard你只是说你的一天过得怎么样, 他们不停地,你只是说,这听起来很难
414Yeah, they're like, oh go.是啊,他们喜欢,哦,走。
415Yes.对
416Um, like that's all they needed.嗯,就像这就是他们需要的。
417That's all they needed was oh, that's这就是他们需要的,哦,这就是
418Oh, that's for if they're complaining about what somebody did to them and go.哦,那是因为他们抱怨 有人对他们做了什么然后走了。
419Yeah, that sounds rude是啊,这听起来很粗鲁
420Like isn't it like it's just yeah, that's all they're they're wanting the feeling就像它是不是像只是是啊, 这就是他们想要的感觉
421I'm just gonna say they teach teachers to do this by telling them that if if a student comes in they want to have a我只是要说,他们教教师 做到这一点,告诉他们,如果一个学生进来 他们想有一个
422You know a conversation start the conversation by asking them.你知道一个谈话开始 通过问他们。
423Do you want to be helped?你想得到帮助吗?
424Do you want to be hugged or do you want to be heard which is the the practical this emotional and the social conversation?你是想被拥抱 还是想被听到 这就是这种情感和社交对话的实用之处?
425Because to exactly your point if a kid says no因为对于你的观点,如果一个孩子说不
426No, I just need you to like I just need you to know what's going on不,我只是需要你喜欢 我只是需要你知道发生了什么
427Then you can say oh that sounds really hard那你可以说哦 这听起来真的很难
428Like that's all that you need.就像这就是你所需要的。
429You've told me that's all that you need to feel你告诉我,这就是你需要的
430To feel good about this that sounds difficult.感觉好点 这听起来很困难
431That sounds hard.这听起来很难。
432Yeah.对
433Yeah, I mean all of that it是啊,我的意思是这一切
434It's much more powerful than just the words themselves in your book这比书里的话要强得多
435You have a section in fact several different parts where you talk about jury deliberations你有一个部分实际上 几个不同的部分 你谈论陪审团审议
436Yeah, and I got into that and I was like, all right, here we go because I是啊,我进入了这个,我就像, 好吧,我们走了,因为我
437Of course in my legal background, I love this kind of stuff当然,在我的法律背景,我喜欢这种东西
438Uh, also if you've never seen the movie 12 angry men呃,同样,如果你从来没有看过电影 12愤怒的男人
439Fantastic好厉害
440Movie that I think illustrates a lot of the points that were being made and what I took away from it我认为这部电影说明了许多 正在提出的要点 以及我从中夺走的东西
441Is that anytime you you take 12 people they go back to do any kind of jury deliberation whether it's civil case你随时带12个人回去 做任何陪审团评议 不管是民事案件
442Criminal case刑事案件
443There has to be a foreman somebody who's kind of the ringleader a lot of times that happens to be a teacher一定有个领头人 经常是头目 碰巧是老师
444Because teachers just naturally interesting are one.因为老师自然是有趣的
445Oh, yeah gathering people believe it or not in trial哦,是的,聚集人们 相信与否在审判
446When you're picking a jury most people won't pick teachers当你选择一个陪审团 大多数人不会选择老师
447Huh?是吗?
448Um because因为
449Most people tend to go the teacher's way多数人喜欢走老师的路
450and so就这样
451if若为
452A teacher is on the jury陪审团里有个老师
453They are very opinionated and they're very good at他们很有见解,很擅长
454Teaching others to match their opinion.教他人相应见解.
455That's to me.这是给我的。
456That's fascinating真让人着迷
457It's too much of a risk on a jury to have a teacher because you don't know陪审团的风险太大了 不能有老师 因为你不知道
458Are they going to go for your side or the other side right there on your side?他们要去你那边 还是你那边?
459Great不错
460That means most people are going to be on your side也就是说大多数人都会站在你这边
461It's just so funny how a lot of the times teachers are very polarizing because they are very quick这太有趣了,很多时间 老师非常两极化,因为他们非常快
462And they pick up on a lot of different things and they're great at他们拿起很多不同的东西 他们很好
463Just teaching and juries they'll and jury deliberations.只是教书和陪审团 他们会和陪审团评议。
464They'll teach other people他们会教别人的
465And so some people like that.所以有些人喜欢这样。
466Some people don't know can I ask you something actually?有人不知道我能问你个问题吗?
467Yeah对
468Choosing when you're choosing your jury you're going through voir dire and you're asking the questions and you're listening to what they're saying当你选择你的陪审团时 你将经历一个非常艰难的过程 你问问题 你听他们说什么
469How accurate do you think you can be in figuring out?你觉得你能确定多少?
470What kind of mind like what what frame of mind that person is and what they're going to bring to the jury room什么样的思维 喜欢什么样的思维 是什么框架的人是什么 和他们要带到陪审团室
471Yeah, so对,所以
472First off for anybody hearing he said flawed deer in texas.首先,任何人听到他说有缺陷的鹿 在德克萨斯。
473We call that vor dire我们称这为恐怖
474And it's what it is it's the process of asking a jury questions这正是向陪审团提问的过程
475so if you ever got a jury summons you go into the room and there's a whole bunch of如果你收到陪审团的传票... ...你就进房间去... ...还有一大堆...
476perspective jurors that they call the veneer and观点陪审员,他们称 veneer和
477Attorneys get to ask them questions and then they attorneys get to pick the people they want to be in the jury律师可以问他们问题 然后律师可以挑选他们想在陪审团的人
478It's a whole process that's supposed to push in fairness.这是整个过程,应该促进公平.
479Now.现在
480The question is问题是
481Do you think that there's a way that we can kind of sense?你觉得有办法我们能感觉到吗?
482This person's personality which way they're going to go.这个人的个性 他们将走的方式。
483What's their temperature?他们的温度是多少?
484I would say yes我会答应的
485so what I like to do and what i've gotten good at is you use所以我喜欢做什么, 我得到了什么好 是,你用
486A perspective juror almost as an early witness, so I might ask a question.一个观点陪审员几乎是一个早期的证人, 所以我可能会问一个问题。
487I've done it before where我曾经在什么地方做过
488You know the officer let's say to add an accident officer really didn't pay attention to my client你知道那个警官... ...我们说加个事故警官...
489He was going to get talking to other people in the accident, but never really asked my client any questions他本来想和事故中的其他人谈的 但从未真正问过我的客户任何问题
490and so就这样
491I asked the the jury, you know, have you ever been in an accident hands raised?我问陪审团,你知道, 你曾经在事故的手 升起?
492You have or police officers involved.你和警察有关系
493Yes, you ever had it to a place?是的,你曾经有它到一个地方?
494I really didn't ask you anything a few people answered so I get to talk to them我真的没有问你什么 几个人回答,所以我可以和他们谈谈
495Well, how did that make you feel?那你觉得怎么样?
496Well, I kind of felt dismissed by that.嗯,我有点觉得 解雇了。
497Okay noted and so好吧,注意到了,这样
498Anybody else ever felt dismissed, you know in a in a case where you felt like you you weren't hearing其他人都觉得被解职了 在一个你觉得自己没听到的案子里
499You're pulling out and you knew what you knew some other hands were raised and you kind of get to use that person as a你拔出来,你知道你知道什么 你知道一些其他的手被举起... ...
500As a voice almost.作为声音几乎。
501Oh, that's interesting to influence the other people's哦,这很有趣 影响别人的
502opinion意见
503And it's putting a temperature and tone to where my position is going to be它把温度和语气 放在我的位置将是什么
504And then if i'm going to try and get that person on the jury most likely they're not if they answer如果我想让陪审团里的人 很可能他们不会回答
505If you want to get knocked out of a jury, uh, all you have to do is talk a lot in如果你想被陪审团打倒,嗯, 你要做的就是说很多在
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507So that means one side isn't going to like you也就是说一方不会喜欢你
508But that means when i'm asking my questions to the witness i'm going to ask those have you ever felt?但这意味着当我向证人提问时 我会问那些你曾经感受到过的东西?
509Dismissed you know what?你知道吗?
510I mean, i'm i'm bringing that theme up again every single time我是说,我每次都提起这个话题
511So I was trying to so those little things like that's really interesting.所以我想让这些小事情变得很有趣。
512I love it我喜欢
513and what you do so well in the book书里写得那么好
514Is you put pull together these concepts of how people interact what you called?你把人们如何互动的概念集合起来了吗?
515I believe it was like a quiet negotiation我相信这就像一个安静的谈判
516Yeah, who's going to talk first?是啊,谁先说话?
517How are we going to?我们要怎么做?
518How are we going to set the structure?我们如何建立结构?
519Around how we are to communicate and I was curious我们如何沟通 我很好奇
520What you see is our daily application of the quiet negotiation你所看到的是我们每天 静静的谈判的应用
521So I think quiet negotiations happen all the time and I love that story about the jury所以,我认为安静的谈判 总是发生,我喜欢的故事 关于陪审团
522Um, you know, I tried to throughout the book嗯,你知道,我试图 整个书
523I tried to tell a bunch of stories just because I think it's more interesting like a story about a cia officer recruiting我试图讲一堆故事 只是因为我觉得这更有趣 就像一个关于中情局军官招募的故事
524Overseas spies and how the big bang theory became such a big hit海外间谍和大爆炸理论 如何成为如此巨大的打击
525but in that story in particular this idea of quiet negotiation comes up, which is但在这个故事中,特别出现了这种静默谈判的想法,即
526And research sort of shows us that every time we engage in a conversation that at least the beginning of it研究显示 每次我们开始谈话时
527Is oftentimes a quiet negotiation and a quiet negotiation经常是静谈 静谈
528The goal of a quiet negotiation is not to win the negotiation the quiet the goal of a quiet negotiation is to understand what the other person wants静默谈判的目的不是要赢得谈判 静默谈判的目的是要了解别人想要什么
529Right.对
530So when when I sit down with my wife and we talk about where to go on vacation next year所以当我和我妻子坐下来 我们谈论明年的度假
531I might start the conversation by saying, you know, like tell me like what what do you want out of a vacation?我开始谈话时可能要说,你知道的, 比如告诉我,你想从度假中得到什么?
532Like like what you like about last year.就像你喜欢的去年。
533What do you like about next year?明年怎么样?
534And and she's going to give me some answers and i'm going to respond to those i'm going to tell her她会给我一些答案 我会回答那些我要告诉她的
535Oh, you know, I liked that too哦,你知道,我也喜欢这样
536But here's something I didn't like and what we're doing is we're engaging in a little bit negotiation但这里我不喜欢的东西, 而我们正在做的是,我们正在进行 一点点谈判
537Not just about where to go on vacation不仅仅是去度假
538But also what kind of conversation we're going to have但是我们还要进行什么样的对话
539Is this a conversation where like you tell me what you want and I it's it's your way or the highway这是谈话吗? 就像你告诉我你想要什么,我这是你的方式或高速公路
540Or is this a conversation where we kind of go back and forth and we share with each other?或谓此谈时,我们相往而往,共共之乎?
541Or is this a conversation where like we're just dreaming like we dream as big as we want to and we know that there's no或这是谈话,我们只是做梦 就像我们做梦一样大
542Consequences, we're probably not going to end up going to you know on three safaris in one year后果是,我们可能不会最终 让你知道 在一年中的三次游猎
543That the quiet negotiation is something that happens in every conversation and it's how we figure out how to talk to each other静悄悄的谈判是每一次谈话中发生的事情 也是我们如何互相交谈的
544How formal am I going to be?我会有多正式?
545Can I make jokes or is this like a serious conversation?我能开个玩笑吗? 还是说真的?
546like what喜欢什么
547And we do我们做
548Yeah, you're feeling them out and it's we do this subconsciously, right?是啊,你感觉他们出来, 它是我们这样做的潜意识,对不对?
549We do it almost without noticing it我们几乎没有注意到它
550But the people who do notice it just a little bit但是,人们确实注意到它 只是一点点
551They're the ones who end up being very persuasive and very good communicators他们最后是很有说服力的好沟通者
552Because when we say this person is telling me what kind of conversation they want to have因为当我们说这个人是在告诉我 他们想谈什么
553We become a little bit more attuned to paying attention to what kind of conversation they want to have我们更喜欢注意他们想谈什么
554Because they might give us a clue.因为他们可能给我们一个线索。
555They might they might they might sound really serious他们也许听起来很严肃
556We might be talking about budgets for next year.我们可能会谈论明年的预算。
557It seems like this is a practical conversation这似乎是一个实际的对话
558Yeah, and they say something like, you know, i'm just really i'm really anxious.是啊,他们说,喜欢,你知道, 我只是真的很焦虑。
559We're gonna have layoffs我们要裁员了
560If i'm listening to that quiet negotiation如果我在听那安静的谈判
561I'm hearing you say oh, this is actually an emotional conversation for you before it's a practical conversation我听到你说,哦,这其实是一个情感谈话 你之前,这是一个实际谈话
562You are anxious and you're worried those emotions are driving your decisions你很焦虑,你担心那些情绪 驱动你的决定
563And until we acknowledge those and we kind of like put them on the table直到我们承认这些 我们喜欢把它们放在桌子上
564We're not going to be able to have a practical conversation about the numbers我们无法就数字进行实际对话
565Yeah, i'd love that point of there's the silence before the conversation that you're looking for clues是啊,我喜欢的要点 有沉默之前 你寻找线索
566you're filling them out like你像填满他们
567Maybe you meet somebody new for the first time and maybe y'all spent kind of 10 minutes around each other也许你们第一次认识新人 也许你们在对方身边待了10分钟
568and you you learned而你却学会了
569What they're like that maybe there's somebody who has really dry humor他们是什么样子的 也许有人 谁真的干幽默
570Or somebody that just kind of you silently kind of start roasting the other people in the room or maybe you start right, you know或者你这种人... 开始把房间里的其他人烤焦 或者你开始正确
571Um you you or it could be on the other side somebody comes into your office and they're in tears, you know你或可能是在另一边 有人走进你的办公室 他们眼泪淋漓
572It's about to be a very serious confidential这将会是一个非常严重的机密
573Conversation or when somebody goes leans in it's like hey real quick交谈或有人倾斜,就像嘿,真的快
574Just just between me and you it's like hey all of a sudden we we've now zeroed in on each other of只是我和你之间,就像嘿, 突然之间,我们已经 零了彼此
575How we're going to communicate so that feeling this person out我们如何沟通,让这个人感到
576Uh, it's funny how we almost do that呃,这很有趣 我们如何几乎做到这一点
577Programmatically just we absolutely程序上我们绝对
578There's no words that need to be said, but i'm going to adjust my behavior没有话要说 但我要调整我的行为
579Simply by the energy that i'm matching with the other person仅凭我和另一个人的能量
580And that's a really important word energy because we let's talk for a second about what's happening inside our brains at that moment这是一个非常重要的词 能量,因为我们来谈谈 我们大脑中发生的事情
581So这么说
582When we're in a conversation and it's a good conversation a conversation where we feel like the other person understands us.当我们在谈话时,这是一个很好的谈话 我们觉得对方理解我们。
583We understand them我们理解他们
584What's happening is that our bodies and our brains are changing我们的身体和大脑都在改变
585So even in this conversation, even though we're separated by many thousands of miles所以,即使在这次对话中, 尽管我们分开了几千英里
586The our heart rates are are matching each other more and more our breath patterns are matching each other more and more我们的心率越来越相匹配 我们的呼吸模式越来越相匹配
587Even the dilation of our pupils连瞳孔都放大了
588Will start to sync up and most importantly将开始同步,最重要的是
589Our neural activity what's happening inside our brains if we could look inside both of our brains我们的神经活动 大脑里面发生的事情 如果我们能检查我们两个大脑
590What we would see is that they are starting to look more and more similar我们所看到的是,他们 开始看起来越来越相似
591And within neuroscience, I hate that for you.在神经科学方面,我讨厌你
592Honestly, I hate that说真的,我讨厌这样
593I love it.我喜欢它。
594I'm good with itи⊿拜肈
595Within neurosciences is known as neural entrainment在神经科学中被称为神经内存
596And this is actually the goal of communication这其实是交流的目的
597The goal of communication交流的目标
598Is for our thoughts to become aligned是让我们的思想一致
599Because when they are aligned因为当它们合在一起时
600I understand what you're saying and I feel connected to you and you understand what i'm saying我明白你在说什么,我觉得和你有关 你明白我在说什么
601and so when you mentioned before we're trying to pick up on their energy what we're really trying to pick up on there is所以,当你提到之前 我们试图取回他们的能量 我们真正试图取回的是那里
602How are they expressing to us through not only their words, but everything around their words他们是如何表达给我们的 不仅通过他们的言语, 并且所有围绕着他们的言语
603Which part of their brain they're using how their brain is functioning他们大脑的哪一部分 利用大脑的功能
604This is why the three different kinds of conversations because they use three different parts of our brain这就是为什么三种不同的对话 因为他们使用我们大脑的三个不同部分
605That's why matching each other is so powerful所以相配才那么厉害
606Is it makes us easier for us to entrain with each other if we're having the same kind of conversation那样我们就能轻松相处了 如果我们有同样的谈话
607Absolutely.当然
608I love it this uh, this last question.我喜欢这个,嗯,最后一个问题。
609Oh, it's really me.哦,这真的是我。
610Is this um, this is a selfish question for me这个问题对我来说是个自私的问题
611How has your own communication changed in your life now having written an amazing communication?你写了一篇令人惊叹的通信 现在自己的沟通是如何改变的?
612book书本
613uh, you know, I mean i'm familiar with嗯,你知道,我的意思是,我很熟悉
614Maybe the the personal side of like you might be like, oh, okay.也许像你一样的私人方面, 哦,好吧。
615This is the best you got这是你最好的
616I think you wrote a book about this and we're now in this argument.我认为你写了一本关于这个的书 而我们现在在争论。
617Yes, right对,对
618You know, there's a book my wife often says there's a book you should read你知道,有一本书 我妻子经常说有本书 你应该读
619Yeah, yeah, so so I you get that from your wife too.是啊,是啊,所以我给你 从你的妻子。
620She's like, you know, there's some videos you might want to watch about your community她喜欢,你知道,有一些视频 你可能会想看 关于你的社区
621right对
622Um, I would say so I think twofold that the first thing is I just pay a lot more attention嗯,我会说,所以我觉得双重的, 第一件事就是 我只是给予更多的关注
623To what kind of conversation is happening now?现在在谈什么?
624You know when my kids come to me你知道当我的孩子来找我
625it's so easy when your kids come up to assume that they're just asking you for help and to solve their problems for them, but当你的孩子来 假设 他们只是请求你 帮助和解决他们的问题,
626You know你知道吗
627Do they want to be helped heard or hugged?他们想听话还是拥抱?
628And sometimes sometimes they don't want to be helped有时候他们不想得到帮助
629They just want me to hear what's going on and to understand and be able to say like look it is他们只是想让我听到发生的事情 了解并能够说出它的样子
630It is okay that you feel that way because I feel that way all the time or sometimes they just need a hug你这样想没关系 因为我一直这样想 或者有时他们只需要拥抱
631You just need to say like look你只需要说像看
632It's not necessarily going to get better tomorrow明天不一定会好起来的
633But today I can give you a hug and I can so I try and pay a lot more attention to但今天我可以给你一个拥抱,我可以 所以我尽量多加注意
634What signals is someone sending me about what kind of conversation they want to have?什么信号是有人送我 关于他们想有什么样的谈话?
635but then the second way it's impacted my life is that但是,第二 影响我的生活是
636There's a study known as the the harvard study of adult development where they they followed thousands of people around for over 80 years有个研究叫做哈瓦德研究 成人发展 他们跟随上千人
637And they were trying to figure out他们试图找出
638What are the things earlier in life that make you?生活早期的东西是什么?
639Healthy and happy and successful at age 65, however, you define success健康、快乐、成功,
640They had all these theories like if you had a if you because it's done at harvard他们有这些理论 就像如果你有的话 因为那是在哈佛做的
641They're like if you went to harvard, you're definitely going to be happy healthy and successful turns out他们就像你去了哈瓦德, 你肯定会幸福的健康和成功的结果
642That's not true这不是真的
643That if you get married early and you stay married longer that you're definitely going to be happy healthier and successful如果你早点结婚,再多待一段时间... ...那你一定会幸福的...
644Not necessarily a lot of overlap there不一定有很多重叠之处
645The only thing that they found was a predictor at age 65 was if you had a handful of close relationships at age 45他们发现的只有65岁时的预测器 就是你45岁时的亲密关系
646And that the way that we maintain those relationships is through conversation, right?而我们保持这些关系的方式 就是通过对话,对不对?
647If I have people I feel close to by the time i'm 65 and i've been close to them for a while如果我有我65岁的时候感觉亲近的人 我和他们很亲近
648Then i'm going to live longer.然后我会活得更长。
649I'll live up to seven years longer我会活到七年多
650I'll oftentimes be more financially successful because i'm exposed to different kinds of opportunities我常常在经济上比较成功 因为我有不同的机会
651And most importantly i'm just happier最重要的是,我只是高兴
652like喜欢
653Spending time with other people and communicating with other people as you've pointed out in so much of your work花时间和别人交流 就像你在很多工作中所指出的
654That is the thing that gives life meaning这就是生命的意义
655And so I have tried very deliberately所以我很刻意地尝试
656To think about maintaining those relationships.考虑保持这些关系。
657There's people who I feel close to who I talk to twice a year有的人我感觉接近 谁我说话一年两次
658But I make a point of talking to them twice a year and I set up但我想和他们谈谈 一年两次,我设置
659You know an hour 90 minutes to catch up with each other and you know你知道一个小时90分钟 赶上对方,你知道
660The first five minutes are going to be kind of awkward, right?前五分钟会有点尴尬吧?
661It's going to be like what's your kid's name again?你的孩子又会叫什么来着?
662How old are they?他们多大了?
663But then you're going to be in it and you're going to feel close to each other但之后你们会参与其中,会觉得彼此亲近
664And that that is an investment that pays off over the long term like you wouldn't believe长期来说,这是一笔投资,你不会相信
665That hit me like a ton of bricks what you said about your kids你说的你孩子的事让我一团糟
666how怎么样
667So often we see it as when they come to us.我们经常看到他们来找我们
668We're assuming they're asking for help我们假设他们在求救
669And that is not always the case because like my daughter事情并非总是如此 因为像我女儿一样
670She's learning how to tie shoes她学着系鞋带
671and so就这样
672She really doesn't want my help.她真的不需要我帮忙
673She's wanting me to watch it's always hey dad watch this她想让我看 爸爸看这个
674Hey daddy watch this same with my son糑  蛤иㄠ妓
675It's just they're wanting me to observe and acknowledge and be part of it只是他们想让我观察和承认 并参与其中
676Rather than me trying to be like what what do you need?而不是我试图成为你需要什么?
677No, you're fine.不,你没事。
678You don't need my help你不需要我帮忙
679Like yeah, yeah, you're good.喜欢,是的,你是很好的。
680Oh, do you mean do it for you?哦,你是说为你做吗?
681No, no, no, no, it's不,不,不,这是
682That's not it不是那样的
683Yeah, that's that's beautiful.是啊,这是美丽的。
684Can I ask you because you've been thinking about this stuff for a long time我能问你 因为你已经想了很久了
685How do you feel like your communication has changed as a result of thinking about it so deliberately and explaining it to other folks?你觉得你的沟通会因如此刻意的思考而改变吗?
686I got this weird habit that i've always had charles of我有一个奇怪的习惯, 我一直有查理斯
687hearing phrases听力短语
688And being like, oh I like that even if it's somebody that's against me if there's a way that they're going about the conversation我喜欢这样 即使有人反对我 如果他们有办法去谈
689I have this thing where I can kind of see it.我有这个东西,我可以看到它。
690And so这样
691I I like to visualize conversations我喜欢直观的对话
692and和
693Try to watch them happen even when it's me being involved with them.试着看着它们发生 即使我和它们有关
694So I think yeah所以我觉得是的
695Having now invested in communication work and written something and hopefully joining现在投入了沟通工作 写了些东西 希望加入
696this league of you know, wonderful authors like yourself你们这帮人,像你这样的优秀作家
697is这是
698It's made me all the more这让我更
699conscious of意识到
700the bigger picture更大的画面
701And that is the ways that I can slow down in my own life and listen a whole lot more这就是我在自己的生活中可以慢下来 并且听得更多
702and it's a it's kind of这是种
703Like one of my the worst videos that ever performed ever was a video I made on how to be a better listener就像我演过最烂的一段视频 是关于我如何成为更好的听众的一段视频
704Really nobody nobody wants to be a better listener.没有人想成为更好的听众。
705But what I have found is that the more I have invested in saying但我发现的是我投资越多
706The richer I've become and learning how to not say anything and listen我变富了 学会了不说话 听
707and so that that is feels like much more of a感觉更像一个
708Strength that I did not anticipate going into this.我没想到会这样
709That's really interesting这真的很有趣
710We got some great takeaways the so what we're going to do for people who want to be a super communicator我们有一些很棒的外卖,所以我们要做什么 对于想成为超级通讯员的人
711And you tell me if you agree with this charles number one你告诉我如果你同意这个一号机
712Ask more questions问更多问题
713so when somebody tells you something find a way to just所以当有人告诉你一些事情 找到一个方法
714Create a habit like we talked about of just asking one maybe two questions像我们说过的 问一个问题或者两个问题一样
715Have one that talks about how they feel about something and two if you can't repeat exactly来一个讲他们对于某件事的感受的 如果你不能完全重复的话 两个
716paraphrase what you heard to make them feel acknowledged and解释你所听到的 让他们感到承认
717Connected another takeaway that we had is that anytime you're in a conversation?接通了另一件外卖 就是你在谈话的任何时候?
718You're typically in three type of boxes.你通常在三种类型的盒子里
719Is it something very practical?这很实用吗?
720Is it very something social or for your reputation or is it something that's more?是社交上的还是名誉上的 还是更多的?
721Emotion-based and when you can match that person there's going to create connection in the conversation and three基于情感 当你能和那个人匹配时 谈话中就会产生连结
722What i'm going to personally take away is when somebody's coming to you.我要亲自带走的 是有人来找你的时候
723It's not always asking for help并不是总要帮忙
724It is simply asking to be heard.它只是要求听取意见。
725I love it.我喜欢它。
726This has been awesome.这是真棒。
727I love yeah我爱耶
728That's a fantastic summary那真是精彩的总结
729Yeah, working on the listening, yeah, if you ever need a book summary somebody to help with your book summaries是啊,在听,是的,如果你需要一本书摘要 有人帮助你的书摘要
730I really love you know, I volunteer it's been a wonderful time talking with you.我真的很喜欢你,我自愿参加... 和你谈话的愉快时光
731Thank you for your time on the podcast感谢您在播客时间
732非常感谢Geofferson。
733Thank you for having me谢谢你邀请我
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