（中英附文稿）越不顺就越逼自己？你可能忽略了让努力有回报的条
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | You wrote one of the defining personal development books of the decade. | 你写了这十年中 个人发展的决定性书籍之一。 |
| 0:05 | I wrote it 10 years ago. | 我10年前写的 |
| 0:07 | What's changed in your worldview since then? | 你的世界观从那时起有什么变化? |
| 0:10 | Well, as a psychologist, I really did spend the first half of my career trying to understand | 嗯,作为一个心理学家,我真的花了 我职业生涯的前半部分 试图理解 |
| 0:15 | the importance of individual effort to achieving excellence. | 个人努力实现卓越的重要性。 |
| 0:19 | And I wrote a book about it. | 我写了一本书 |
| 0:21 | And I | 还有我 |
| 0:21 | recently reread that book and I wanted to know whether I changed my mind. | 最近重新读了那本书 我想知道我是否改变了主意 |
| 0:25 | I mean, you know, | 我是说,你知道, |
| 0:25 | I continued to do science, other scientists get people to keep thinking. | 我继续做科学,其他科学家 让人们不断思考。 |
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| 1 | You wrote one of the defining personal development books of the decade. | 你写了这十年中 个人发展的决定性书籍之一。 |
| 2 | I wrote it 10 years ago. | 我10年前写的 |
| 3 | What's changed in your worldview since then? | 你的世界观从那时起有什么变化? |
| 4 | Well, as a psychologist, I really did spend the first half of my career trying to understand | 嗯,作为一个心理学家,我真的花了 我职业生涯的前半部分 试图理解 |
| 5 | the importance of individual effort to achieving excellence. | 个人努力实现卓越的重要性。 |
| 6 | And I wrote a book about it. | 我写了一本书 |
| 7 | And I | 还有我 |
| 8 | recently reread that book and I wanted to know whether I changed my mind. | 最近重新读了那本书 我想知道我是否改变了主意 |
| 9 | I mean, you know, | 我是说,你知道, |
| 10 | I continued to do science, other scientists get people to keep thinking. | 我继续做科学,其他科学家 让人们不断思考。 |
| 11 | And you know what? | 你知道吗? |
| 12 | Don't disagree with the word and grit. | 不要不同意这个词和格莱特。 |
| 13 | I really don't. | 我真的没有。 |
| 14 | Other people can, but I don't. | 其他人可以,但我不会。 |
| 15 | I feel like | 我觉得 |
| 16 | there is a final common path to becoming great that requires consistency over time. | 有一条最终的共同道路要变得伟大,需要一段时间内保持一致。 |
| 17 | And that's | 这是 |
| 18 | the message of grit. | 格里特的讯息。 |
| 19 | And, you know, the reason I embarked on this in the first place is that | 而且,你知道,我这样做的原因 首先, |
| 20 | I knew that I had achieved what I had achieved through effort and not through natural talent. | 我知道我通过努力,而不是通过自然才华,取得了成就。 |
| 21 | So there was a personal dimension and it was my vocation, my calling as a scientist. | 所以有一个个人层面,这是我的使命, 我作为一个科学家的使命。 |
| 22 | But as a | 但作为一个 |
| 23 | scientist, I continued to ask the question, you know, like, what else is there? | 科学家,我继续问这个问题, 你知道,像,还有什么? |
| 24 | And also, | 还有, |
| 25 | where does this come from? | 这是从哪里来的? |
| 26 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 27 | So your DNA will incline you to be grittier or less gritty. | 所以,你的DNA会吸引你 变得格利蒂或更少 gritty。 |
| 28 | But we also know that it's not just your DNA. | 但我们也知道 不仅仅是你的DNA |
| 29 | So I also wanted to know, like, why would somebody | 所以我还想知道 为什么有人 |
| 30 | passionate and persevering? | 热情和坚持? |
| 31 | And this curiosity inevitably leads you outside of the mind of a | 而这种好奇心 不可避免地引领你 走出一个想法 |
| 32 | high achiever and into their situation. | 成就卓著,进入他们的处境 |
| 33 | It leads you naturally to, like, who's around them, | 它引导你自然, 像,谁在他们周围, |
| 34 | what's around them, where are they? | 他们周围是什么,他们在哪里? |
| 35 | And so the second book is about everything that | 所以第二本书是关于一切 |
| 36 | inclines a person to devote individual effort and also everything that makes individual effort pay | 要求一个人投入个人努力,以及支付个人努力费用的一切措施; |
| 37 | off. | 关闭。 |
| 38 | When does grit stop being useful? | Grit什么时候不再有用了? |
| 39 | What are the limits of grit? | 格莱特的极限是什么? |
| 40 | You know, I think the | 我觉得 |
| 41 | personal reason why I wrote this second book is that as somebody who has gotten very far in life | 我写这本第二本书的 个人原因就是 作为人生中最远的人 |
| 42 | through her own effort, she has asked the question, you know, when is it not paying off? | 通过她自己的努力, 她问了这个问题, 你知道,什么时候没有回报? |
| 43 | And I will tell you, when you are trying hard and you're not making the progress you want, | 我会告诉你,当你在努力 并且你没有取得你想要的进展, |
| 44 | well, if you're me at a certain age, you just try harder, right? | 好吧,如果你是我在一个特定的年龄, 你只是努力,对不对? |
| 45 | I mean, wake up earlier, | 早点醒来 |
| 46 | grind harder, and then stay later, right? | 磨得更硬,然后待一会儿,对不对? |
| 47 | That's the assumption, right? | 这就是假设,对不对? |
| 48 | If I'm trying hard, | 如果我努力的话 |
| 49 | if I think I'm trying hard and I'm not getting results, it must be that I think I'm trying hard, | 如果我觉得我在努力 却得不到结果 一定是我觉得我在努力 |
| 50 | but I'm not trying hard enough. | 但我不够努力 |
| 51 | And then I can try harder, right? | 然后我可以更努力,对不对? |
| 52 | I mean, it's kind of like natural. | 我的意思是,这有点像自然。 |
| 53 | You're like, oh, then, you know, do 20% more, right? | 你就像,哦,那么,你知道, 做20%多,对不对? |
| 54 | You know, you're not getting where you are, | 你知道,你不会得到你的位置, |
| 55 | like, turn up the volume, right? | 把音量调大一点,对吗? |
| 56 | It's like a inverse Parkinson's law, not that work expands | 这就像一个反向帕金森定律, 不是说工作扩展 |
| 57 | to fill the time given for it, but effort expands to make something happen. | 以填补给它的时间, 但努力的扩大 使事情发生。 |
| 58 | Right. | 对 |
| 59 | And sometimes that works, right? | 有时候还行,对吧? |
| 60 | Because sometimes you aren't at 100%. | 因为有时候你不百分之百。 |
| 61 | And sometimes like, | 有时候 |
| 62 | yeah, like, you know, you're lifting weights and you just like exert a little more effort. | 是啊,就像,你知道, 你举重,你只是喜欢 努力一点。 |
| 63 | So I feel like this trick that we learn, you know, try harder is not wrong, but it's incomplete. | 所以我觉得我们学到的这个把戏, 你知道,更努力是没有错的,但它是不完整的。 |
| 64 | And I think the limits, I mean, you asked me, like, what are the limits? | 我认为极限,我的意思是, 你问我,喜欢,什么是极限? |
| 65 | When you are trying hard | 当你努力的时候 |
| 66 | and then harder, and you're not making progress, you have to do something that was not natural for | 然后更难,你没有进步, 你必须做一些不自然的事情 |
| 67 | me, which is to ask whether the situation itself was not the right situation. | 我要问一下情况本身是不是不对 |
| 68 | You know, to me, | 你知道,对我来说, |
| 69 | it felt like, first of all, I don't know that it would occur to me. | 我觉得,首先,我不知道 会发生在我身上。 |
| 70 | Like, you know, I always look | 喜欢,你知道,我总是看 |
| 71 | inward, right? | 内向,对不对? |
| 72 | It's like, you know, what can I do? | 这就像,你知道, 我能做什么? |
| 73 | I don't want to look outward. | 我不想看外边。 |
| 74 | That was reflexive | 这是反射 |
| 75 | to me. | 对我来说。 |
| 76 | And also I felt kind of, yeah, like, well, I'll use the word cowardly. | 我也觉得有点,是啊,像,嗯, 我会使用这个词懦夫。 |
| 77 | You can use the word, | 你可以用这个词 |
| 78 | like, it just felt embarrassing and shameful. | 就像,它只是觉得尴尬和羞耻。 |
| 79 | It just felt like being a loser to, you know, ask. | 这感觉就像一个失败者, 你知道,问。 |
| 80 | You're saying that you can't do it on your own. | 即说不可自在. |
| 81 | Oh, you need a helping hand. | 哦,你需要帮助的手。 |
| 82 | You need this crutch | 你需要这个拐杖 |
| 83 | in order to be able to get across the line. | 为能过行. |
| 84 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 85 | It would be more noble if you suffered | 如果你受了苦,那会更高尚 |
| 86 | more. | 再来 |
| 87 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 88 | Right. | 对 |
| 89 | And that's, you know, the hard way is the best way, right? | 这是,你知道, 艰难的方式是最好的方法,对不对? |
| 90 | And so that, | 这样的话, |
| 91 | that like, that rule of thumb, right? | 这就像,拇指的规则,对不对? |
| 92 | Like effort is everything. | 就像努力一样 |
| 93 | If it's not working, try harder. | 如果它不起作用, 更努力。 |
| 94 | I think it's dangerous. | 我觉得很危险 |
| 95 | I think it's incomplete. | 我认为它不完整。 |
| 96 | And I think by being incomplete, you can like | 我想通过不完全,你可以喜欢 |
| 97 | end up in the wrong place. | 最后在错误的地方。 |
| 98 | Do you know why I think, one of the reasons why I think that | 你知道我为什么这么认为吗? |
| 99 | asymmetry maybe that people have has been so prevalent in the modern world, at least at all, | 也许在现代世界 人是如此普遍,至少, |
| 100 | because of the fact that you wrote a massive book about it. | 因为你写了一本关于它的大量书 |
| 101 | I think a big part of it is that on | 我认为其中的一大部分是 |
| 102 | average, more people probably do needs to be told to put their emotions to one side and just work | 平均来说,更多的人可能需要被告知 把情绪放在一边,只是工作 |
| 103 | harder. | 更难。 |
| 104 | I think that if you were to take an aggregate of- If you take a hundred people, | 我认为,如果你要 汇总... 如果你带走一百个人 |
| 105 | how many people like actually just need to turn up the volume on their effort? | 有多少人喜欢 只需要把努力的音量调高一点? |
| 106 | And then how many | 然后有多少个 |
| 107 | people actually need to get situated? | 人们真的需要找到位置吗? |
| 108 | You would say like more people need just to like- Not even | 你会说,像更多的人需要 只是喜欢... 连 |
| 109 | that. | 那个 |
| 110 | I think far more people are leaving a lot on the table when it comes to how hard they're | 我认为更多的人 离开很多在桌上 当他们有多难 |
| 111 | pressing the gas tank, full stop. | 按油箱,全速停车 |
| 112 | And you are always going to have more agency over just effort | 你总是会有更多的代理 仅仅努力 |
| 113 | applied. | 适用。 |
| 114 | Like it's immediate. | 如是即时. |
| 115 | It's there right now, right? | 现在就在那里,对吧? |
| 116 | I can just do that. | 我可以做到这一点。 |
| 117 | I can just do | 我当然可以 |
| 118 | one more rep now. | 再来一个代表 |
| 119 | I can just stick about for another 30 minutes now. | 我可以再待30分钟 |
| 120 | And the problem is there's | 问题是 |
| 121 | a selection effect, which is the kind of people that listen to podcasts like this and read books | 一种选择效果,就是那种听播客这样 读书的人 |
| 122 | like yours are already in the group who are probably turning themselves inside out thinking | 就像你已经加入这个团体了 可能自己在思考 |
| 123 | that they're not doing enough already. | 他们做得还不够 |
| 124 | So this is what I call advice hyper responders. | 所以这就是我所谓的建议 超强响应者。 |
| 125 | So advice- | 所以建议... |
| 126 | Advice hyper responders. | 咨询超强响应器 |
| 127 | Yes. | 对 |
| 128 | Yeah, same word. | 是啊,同一个词。 |
| 129 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 130 | They basically exaggerate that which they are predisposed to already as opposed to correcting | 他们基本上夸大了自己喜欢的 而不是纠正 |
| 131 | the imbalance. | 不平衡。 |
| 132 | Which I think actually, so you might say that about advice hyper responders. | 我认为,实际上, 你可以说 关于建议超强响应者。 |
| 133 | I mean, you could argue that that's just human nature, that our strengths get raced, | 我的意思是,你可以争论,这只是人性, 我们的长处被竞争, |
| 134 | then our strengths get stronger, right? | 然后我们的力量变得更强,对吧? |
| 135 | Well, yeah, because- | 嗯,是的,因为... |
| 136 | It's like the problem with every physical therapy problem that anybody ever had, right? | 这就像所有物理治疗的问题 曾经有过,对不对? |
| 137 | It's like, | 这就像, |
| 138 | oh, you're using your like glutes and like because you have strong glutes, you're not using | 哦,你用你的类似 谷仓和喜欢 因为你有强烈的谷仓, |
| 139 | the other muscles, right? | 其他肌肉,对不对? |
| 140 | Like the hamstrings. | 譬如仓卒. |
| 141 | So I think that it could be a general truth, | 所以我认为这可能是一个普遍的事实, |
| 142 | right? | 对吧? |
| 143 | That if you have gotten far in life through effort, and maybe you're right, | 如果你通过努力在生活中走得很远 也许你是对的 |
| 144 | that numerically, like, okay, that's not everyone, like, maybe that's the minority. | 数字上,像,好吧,这不是每个人, 像,也许那是少数。 |
| 145 | Like, then it's those people, maybe not 100 out of 100, who knows what the ratio is. | 比如,然后是这些人, 也许不是100的100, 谁知道的比例是什么。 |
| 146 | Like, those | 喜欢,那些 |
| 147 | people are the ones who like make the mistake of just like pushing harder instead of finding a | 人就是喜欢犯错误的人 就像更努力 而不是找到一个 |
| 148 | situation where their effort has higher return. | 在他们的努力有较高回报的情况下。 |
| 149 | Bingo. | 宾果。 |
| 150 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 151 | They gravitate toward a message that | 他们向一个信息引来 |
| 152 | reinforces their worldview already. | 已经加强了他们的世界观。 |
| 153 | Yes. | 对 |
| 154 | And it also confirms what the reason that most people | 这也证实了为什么大多数人 |
| 155 | are doing that, which is the fear of being the inverse. | 正在这样做,这就是害怕成为反面。 |
| 156 | Like the person who's already adamant, | 就像已经坚定的人, |
| 157 | why I'm just so, I'm just so lazy. | 我为什么这么懒 |
| 158 | It's like, dude, you haven't missed a gym session in like three | 就像,伙计,你没有错过 体育课在三 |
| 159 | weeks, but like you notice when you have a cupcake, as opposed to the guy that hasn't left the couch | 几周,但是你注意到 当你有一个蛋糕, 而不是那个没有离开沙发的家伙 |
| 160 | on an evening time for like two months. | 在一个晚上 大约两个月。 |
| 161 | Right. | 对 |
| 162 | For him, advice just goes through him like he's | 对他来说,建议就像他一样 |
| 163 | a poltergeist. | 一个恶棍。 |
| 164 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 165 | Whereas like the imbalance isn't corrected, the predisposition gets exaggerated. | 虽然像不平衡没有纠正,但倾向性却被夸大了. |
| 166 | That's basically how this- So how do you feel about these advice hyper responders? | 这基本上是这样... 那么,你对这些建议 超强响应者有什么感觉? |
| 167 | Do you feel like | 你觉得 |
| 168 | they are, it's good? | 不错吧? |
| 169 | Is it bad? | 很糟糕吗? |
| 170 | Like, what do you think about advice? | 你觉得建议怎么样? |
| 171 | It just is. | 就是这样 |
| 172 | I think, you know, | 我觉得,你知道, |
| 173 | men who hear the message, don't be pushy with women. | 男人听到消息,不要跟女人挤 |
| 174 | Unfortunately, in a post-me too world, | 不幸的是,在后我的世界, |
| 175 | what's happened there is the guys that were just blowing through boundaries and being assholes, | 发生的事情是那些家伙 刚刚吹过边界 并成为混蛋, |
| 176 | they coasted past that advice completely unchanged. | 他们经过这个建议 完全没有改变。 |
| 177 | While the guys who probably could have | 而那些可能拥有的人 |
| 178 | done with a little bit more confidence to go up and speak to a woman. | 更有信心地上楼跟女人说话 |
| 179 | Oh, I knew I was too much. | 哦,我知道我太过分了。 |
| 180 | I knew that I was too much. | 我知道我太过分了。 |
| 181 | I see it everywhere. | 我到处都看见了 |
| 182 | I see this absolutely everywhere. | 我到处都能看到这个 |
| 183 | That's why I'm | 这就是为什么我 |
| 184 | saying it's like a general truth. | 说如一般真言. |
| 185 | It's not just about like effort. | 这不仅仅是像努力。 |
| 186 | It's like whatever your strength | 这就像你的力量 |
| 187 | is, it is in a way a weakness. | 这在某种程度上是一种弱点。 |
| 188 | Strengthen your fear will be reinforced by whatever. | 增强你的恐惧,无论什么都会加强。 |
| 189 | And this is | 这是 |
| 190 | {\fn华文楷体\fs20\bord1\shad1\1cHE0E0E0\2cH000000}你將它帶到一個有才華的國家 {\fn华文楷体\fs20\bord1\shad1\1cHE0E0E0\2cH000000}也就是說 | |
| 191 | the winners are deserving of their successes and the losers are deserving of their losses. | 胜利者理应获得胜利,失败者理应遭受损失。 |
| 192 | What do you want? | 你想怎样? |
| 193 | I want to own my outcomes. | 我想拥有我的成果。 |
| 194 | Right. | 对 |
| 195 | I want to know that if I put my fucking | 我想知道 如果我把我的他妈的 |
| 196 | foot on the pedal. | 脚踏板上。 |
| 197 | It's on me. | 师问曰. |
| 198 | Yeah, it's on me. | 是啊,这是我请客。 |
| 199 | Not going to rely on anyone. | 不要依赖任何人。 |
| 200 | Atomized society, | 原子化社会, |
| 201 | individual responsibility, man. | 个人责任,男人。 |
| 202 | I'm going to sigma lone ranger wolf my way to the top. | 我要去Sigma 孤独的护林员狼 我的方式到顶端。 |
| 203 | Like, | 喜欢, |
| 204 | it's alluring. | 它的诱惑。 |
| 205 | It's very alluring. | 非常诱人 |
| 206 | So what do you think about my thesis that | 你觉得我的论文如何? |
| 207 | individual effort matters? | 个人努力很重要? |
| 208 | But what do you think about the thesis like, | 但你对论文的看法如何? |
| 209 | and your situation matters enormously and much more than people think? | 你的处境比人们想象的更重要吗? |
| 210 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 211 | do you feel like it's a weak message? | 你觉得这消息很弱吗? |
| 212 | Do you feel like it's, you know, what do you think? | 你觉得它,你知道, 你觉得呢? |
| 213 | No, I don't think it's a weak message at all. | 不,我不认为这是一个弱的信息。 |
| 214 | I think it's a important counterbalance to kind | 我觉得这是对善良的重要平衡 |
| 215 | of the prevailing personal development message of the last 10 to 15 years or so. | 最近10至15年左右的个人发展信息。 |
| 216 | Like even when | 就像当 |
| 217 | you had to like, give a one liner for the personal advice that is given for last 10, | 你不得不喜欢, 给一个班轮 个人建议 给过去10, |
| 218 | like, what's your perspective on like, what is that message? | 喜欢,你有什么观点 像,是什么信息? |
| 219 | Fuck your feelings, just work harder. | 去你妈的感受 努力工作 |
| 220 | Just do it. | 做到这一点。 |
| 221 | Fuck your feelings, just work harder. | 去你妈的感受 努力工作 |
| 222 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 223 | But I'm trying to curse less. | 但我想少点诅咒 |
| 224 | So you're like | 所以,你喜欢 |
| 225 | a terrible influence. | 一个可怕的影响。 |
| 226 | I'm sorry I'm British. | 对不起,我是英国人。 |
| 227 | I'm afflicted with British. | 我受英国人的折磨 |
| 228 | Yeah, that's okay. | 是啊,没关系。 |
| 229 | It sounds much better with your accent. | 你的口音听起来好多了 |
| 230 | So I think you can say anything you want. | 所以我觉得你想说什么都可以 |
| 231 | Yeah, the cussing thing, I do need to dial it back. | 是啊,那该死的东西,我确实需要拨回来。 |
| 232 | There is research actually that shows that like, it is actually just a sign of being sincere | 事实上,有研究表明, 类似, 它实际上只是 表示真诚 |
| 233 | because like, you're not editing. | 因为像,你没有编辑。 |
| 234 | So, you know. | 这么说吧 |
| 235 | Meanwhile, your prefrontal cortex is | 同时,你的前额皮层 |
| 236 | stepping into a void. | 步入虚空 |
| 237 | I work a lot with children and parents. | 我经常和孩子和父母一起工作 |
| 238 | And so like, that's a totally | 就像,这是一个完全 |
| 239 | different context. | 不同的环境。 |
| 240 | Speedrun their development. | 速速发展. |
| 241 | Speedrun their education. | 速成办学. |
| 242 | They're going to start | 他们要开始了 |
| 243 | using you and they grow up, hey, you're a precocious developer here. | 利用你,他们长大了, 嘿,你是一个预科开发商在这里。 |
| 244 | I see that your | 我看见你的 |
| 245 | languages come on. | 语言来吧。 |
| 246 | So since you're a prodigy. | 既然你是个天才 |
| 247 | But like, so the last 10 or 15 years, I agree, | 但是,就像,所以过去10或15年,我同意, |
| 248 | there's, I think there are two messages, honestly. | 老实说,我想有两个信息 |
| 249 | I think there's one which is like, just do it, | 我认为有一样,只是做到这一点, |
| 250 | right? | 对吧? |
| 251 | I do think there's another one, which is a little more nuanced, right? | 我确实认为还有另一个, 更细微一点,对不对? |
| 252 | So for me, | 对我来说 |
| 253 | as a scientist, I'm not a journalist. | 作为一个科学家,我不是记者。 |
| 254 | I'm a scientist. | 我是个科学家 |
| 255 | I study human behavior and I study | 我研究人类的行为,我学习 |
| 256 | human behavior change. | 人类行为改变。 |
| 257 | And I think I speak for pretty much every behavioral scientist. | 我想我代表了几乎所有的行为科学家。 |
| 258 | When we | 当我们 |
| 259 | say that your response, you can change directly, but you can also change your thoughts. | 说出你的反应,你可以直接改变,但也可以改变你的想法. |
| 260 | And if | 如果 |
| 261 | you change your thoughts, then you don't have to use willpower because your thoughts, like, | 你改变你的想法, 然后你不用使用意志力 因为你的想法,喜欢, |
| 262 | if you say to yourself, like, I want to go to the gym, then you don't need to use willpower | 如果你对自己说,像,我想去健身房, 那么你不需要使用意志力 |
| 263 | to go to the gym. | 去体育馆。 |
| 264 | So you can either change your will, like at the last minute, it's like, | 所以你可以改变你的意志, 就像在最后一分钟,它就像, |
| 265 | I'm going to force myself to just go to the gym, right? | 我要强迫自己去健身房,对吧? |
| 266 | Or earlier than that, | 或更早时, |
| 267 | you can change your thoughts. | 你可以改变你的想法。 |
| 268 | You can reframe it. | 你可以重新定义它。 |
| 269 | You can rethink it. | 你可以再考虑一下 |
| 270 | You can have a paradigm | 你可以有一个范式 |
| 271 | shift. | 换班 |
| 272 | Like I want to go to the gym is my temple. | 就像我想去健身房 是我的庙宇。 |
| 273 | Like I'm the sort of person, right? | 就像我是那种人,对不对? |
| 274 | I think to me, | 我觉得 |
| 275 | the last 15 years of personal development advice has either been like, just do it or just change | 过去15年的个人发展咨询 要么是那样的,要么就是那样的,要么只是改变 |
| 276 | your thoughts so that you will want to do it. | 你的想法让你想这样做。 |
| 277 | And I think the message of this book is, | 我认为这本书的信息是, |
| 278 | I think, blindingly obvious to people who study human behavior for a living, which is that | 我认为,盲目 显而易见的人 谁研究人类的行为为生, |
| 279 | our thoughts are much more influenced by our circumstances, by like who you're talking to | 我们的思想更受环境的影响 就像你在跟谁说话 |
| 280 | and what they just said. | 他们刚才说的话 |
| 281 | And like, you know, is the can of soda to your right next to your elbow | 就像,你知道, 苏打水罐 在你的右侧 你的肘边 |
| 282 | or not? | 还是没有? |
| 283 | Where's your phone? | 你的电话呢? |
| 284 | These elements of your situation are much more in charge of your | 这些内容你的处境 更负责你 |
| 285 | thoughts than you think. | 思想比你想象的还要多 |
| 286 | People think they're in charge of their own thoughts and very often | 人们以为他们掌管着自己的想法 而且经常 |
| 287 | the situation is in charge of your thoughts. | 情况由你决定 |
| 288 | You think people with discipline or high willpower | 你以为有纪律或意志力的人 |
| 289 | actually more disciplined or do they, have they just designed lives that required less of it? | 他们是否设计了不需要多少生活? |
| 290 | So I think one of the like signal discoveries the last 20 years is that we assume that people | 因此,我认为一个类似信号 发现在过去的20年 是,我们假设人 |
| 291 | go to the gym and they go for the run and they get their work done and they're not procrastinating | 去健身房,他们跑去跑步 完成他们的工作,他们没有拖延 |
| 292 | and they control their temper and they have five-year goals, but they actually break down | 他们控制自己的脾气 他们有五年的目标, 但实际上他们打破了 |
| 293 | those five-year goals into like one-year goals and they make progress on them. | 这些五年目标变成类似一年目标,并取得进展。 |
| 294 | They return emails. | 他们还发邮件 |
| 295 | We think of those people as having enormous willpower and I think like 20 or 30 years ago, | 我们认为这些人有巨大的意志力 我想就像20到30年前 |
| 296 | that's what scientists would also say. | 科学家也会这么说 |
| 297 | I think the fact that people have willpower, I mean, | 我认为人们有意志力,我的意思是, |
| 298 | willpower is a thing. | 意志力是一种东西。 |
| 299 | I mean, there is a part of your brain at the front that is able to suppress | 我的意思是,有一部分 你的大脑在前面 能够压制 |
| 300 | or elevate impulses for the rest of your brain. | 或提升你的大脑其余部分的冲动 |
| 301 | Like you can will yourself to do things, | 就像你可以自己做一些事情一样 |
| 302 | but the discovery is that highly successful people are not using willpower. | 但发现的是 高度成功的人们并没有使用意志力 |
| 303 | Highly successful people | 高度成功的人们 |
| 304 | are doing exactly what you said, which is they're arranging their lives so they don't need to use | 照你说的做 他们正在安排生活 这样他们就不用用 |
| 305 | willpower. | 意志的力量。 |
| 306 | I mean, it's kind of the opposite of like brute force and being like a general, | 我的意思是,这有点相反 像野蛮的武力和 作为一个将军, |
| 307 | right? | 对吧? |
| 308 | You know, Sun Tzu said you don't win a war through brute force. | 孙子说你不会通过野蛮武力赢得战争 |
| 309 | You do it strategically and | 你从战略角度 |
| 310 | the law is really the law of least effort, right? | 法律其实是最不费力的,对吧? |
| 311 | So like how can you set up a situation where you | 碞钩或矪瞶硂贺薄猵 |
| 312 | think I want to go to the gym? | 我想去健身房吗? |
| 313 | It's like, well, for me, I'll tell you, it's like this trivial. | 这就像,嗯,对我来说,我会告诉你, 这就像这个微不足道。 |
| 314 | If I have my gym clothes out, right, the night before, I mean, I keep my gym clothes in the | 如果我有我的健身服出,对, 前一天晚上,我的意思是,我把我的健身服在 |
| 315 | fourth drawer of my bureau. | 我办公室的第四个抽屉 |
| 316 | It's not that hard to reach into the floor. | 进入地板没那么难 |
| 317 | Like it's not like I have to | 好像我不必这样 |
| 318 | climb a ladder, right? | 爬梯子,对不对? |
| 319 | So in the morning, I could reach into the fourth drawer of my bureau and pull | 所以,早上,我可以到达 我的办公室的第四个抽屉 拉 |
| 320 | out a top and a pair of shorts and I'd be ready to go to the gym. | 我准备去健身房 |
| 321 | It would take me, I think, | 我想这需要我 |
| 322 | three seconds and almost no calories, right? | 三秒钟,几乎没有卡路里,对不对? |
| 323 | So how can that make a difference to whether I | 那又怎样才能改变我 |
| 324 | go to the gym or not? | 去健身房还是不去? |
| 325 | If the night before I reach into the fourth drawer and I take out the shorts | 如果我到达第四抽屉的前一天晚上 我拿出短裤 |
| 326 | and the top and I lay it on top of the bureau, I will tell you it makes a huge difference. | 我把它放在局里上面 告诉你这有很大的不同 |
| 327 | It | 这个 |
| 328 | makes an enormous difference, especially when I'm traveling, by the way, because when I'm home, | 特别是我旅行的时候 因为回家的时候 |
| 329 | I have a routine. | 我有一个常规。 |
| 330 | But the difference is that, first of all, it's a visual cue, right? | 但不同的是,首先,这是一个视觉提示,对不对? |
| 331 | Our | 我们 |
| 332 | attention is just whatever we see, right? | 注意力只是我们所看到的,对不对? |
| 333 | There's an expression, what you see is all there is. | 有一个表达,你看到的就是一切。 |
| 334 | If I see it, I think, oh, right, I could go to the gym. | 如果我看到,我想, 哦,对,我可以去健身房。 |
| 335 | And that micro-friction, the micro-friction | 和微软,微软 |
| 336 | of like, I could open the drawer, I could hunt around, I could find it, is enough to make the | 我可以打开抽屉 到处打猎 找到它 足以制造 |
| 337 | difference. | 差别。 |
| 338 | And so to me, the insight is, yeah, don't wait for willpower. | 因此,对我来说,洞察力 是,是的,不要等待意志力。 |
| 339 | That's the worst way to | 这是最糟糕的方法 |
| 340 | change human behavior. | 改变人类的行为 |
| 341 | Again, I think I speak on behalf of Angela Duckworth and I speak on behalf | 再说一遍,我想我代表安吉拉·达克沃思发言,我代表 |
| 342 | of scientists who study this, like everyone I know. | 研究这个的科学家 就像我认识的每个人 |
| 343 | And also, if you're going to take the message of | 还有,如果你要接受 |
| 344 | the last 10 to 15 years, it's like, it's all in your mind, it's your mindset and so forth. | 过去的10到15年, 它就像, 它都在你的脑海里, 它是你的思维等等。 |
| 345 | What books do you need to have visible? | 你要看什么书? |
| 346 | What quotes do you have? | 你有什么引证? |
| 347 | Who do you need to be around | 你需要在谁身边 |
| 348 | to give you the thoughts that you want, to give you the behavior you want? | 给您想要的想法 给您想要的行为? |
| 349 | That's the three boxes | 那是三个盒子 |
| 350 | model. | 型号。 |
| 351 | The situation is box one, your thoughts are box two, and your response to your thoughts is box | 情况是一箱,你的想法是二箱,你对想法的反应是一箱 |
| 352 | three. | 三个。 |
| 353 | That's interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 354 | So that's the big change you think over the last couple of decades. | 这就是你过去几十年所想的大变化。 |
| 355 | For me, I think my, I sound like a politician when I say like, well, it's not a contradiction. | 对我来说,我认为,我听起来就像一个政治家 当我说,嗯,这不是一个矛盾。 |
| 356 | Your academic diplomacy is showing. | 你的学术外交正在展现 |
| 357 | It's really like, I'm trying to be honest in a way that doesn't | 我真的想, 我试图诚实的方式,不 |
| 358 | sound like I, you know, am making it up because it is truth. | 听起来像,你知道,是编造的,因为它是事实。 |
| 359 | You know, when I was in graduate | 你知道,当我毕业的时候 |
| 360 | school, like the very first thing you learn is about the power of the situation. | 学校,就像你学到的第一件事 是关于局势的力量。 |
| 361 | There is a book | 有本书 |
| 362 | that I don't think a lot of people have read, but some people have read. | 很多人读过,但有些人读过 |
| 363 | I know Malcolm Gladwell | 我认识马尔科姆·格拉德威尔 |
| 364 | read it and it changed his life. | 读它,它改变了他的生活。 |
| 365 | The book is called The Person and the Situation, | 这本书叫做"人物与情况" |
| 366 | and it is not a bestseller. | 它不是一个畅销书。 |
| 367 | It is written by two academics who never went on podcasts, right? | 这是两位学者写的, 他们从来没有去播客,对不对? |
| 368 | They | 他们 |
| 369 | are Dick Nisbett and Lee Ross. | 迪克・尼斯贝特和李・罗斯 |
| 370 | And every graduate student in psychology has to learn what's in that | 每一个心理学研究生 都要学会其中的 |
| 371 | book. | 书。 |
| 372 | And what's in that book is that people have the experience of being intentional goal-directed, | 那本书的内容是 人们有被故意瞄准的经验 |
| 373 | right? | 对吧? |
| 374 | Why did you do that? | 你为什么这么做? |
| 375 | Like, why did you drink that? | 你为什么喝这个? |
| 376 | Why did you say that? | 你为什么这么说? |
| 377 | What, you know, | 你知道吗? |
| 378 | what was in your mind, right? | 你在想什么,对不对? |
| 379 | That's only partly true. | 那只是部分事实。 |
| 380 | The book about the person and the situation | 关于人物和状况的书 |
| 381 | is really about the power of the situation over the person. | 真正涉及的是局势的力量 相对于个人。 |
| 382 | The book mostly talks about how, | 这本书主要讲的是 |
| 383 | whether you're altruistic or you're going to make me curse or not, like a total fill in the blank, | 无论你是利他主义还是你要去 让我诅咒或不, 像一个完全填满的空白, |
| 384 | do it. | 做到这一点。 |
| 385 | That's all. | 就这样 |
| 386 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 387 | You could have said that in front of a kid. | 你可以当着孩子的面说 |
| 388 | You just can't call the kid an | 你只是不能叫这孩子 |
| 389 | asshole. | 混帐 |
| 390 | It's slightly different. | 略显不同. |
| 391 | Yes, I don't do that either. | 是的,我也不这样做。 |
| 392 | That one I don't have a problem with. | 我对那个没意见 |
| 393 | But it's very much, okay, so here's a study that is highlighted in The Person and the Situation | 但这是非常的,好吧,所以这里的一个研究 突出在人物和情况 |
| 394 | that again, like every graduate student in psychology, it's called the Good Samaritan | 再说一遍,跟心理学的每个研究生一样, 叫做"好撒玛利亚人" |
| 395 | study, right? | 学习,对不对? |
| 396 | And it actually literally takes place at a seminary. | 它实际上发生在一个神学院。 |
| 397 | So these are people who | 所以这些人 |
| 398 | are going to go into the ministry, right? | 会进入部,对不对? |
| 399 | It's their job to be altruistic. | 他们的工作是利他主义. |
| 400 | They're nothing like | 他们根本不像 |
| 401 | the predisposed to be lovely. | 喜欢可爱的人 |
| 402 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 403 | And that's like, they're predisposed. | 这就像, 他们的倾向。 |
| 404 | And it's like all they | 就像他们一样 |
| 405 | think about, right? | 想想,对不对? |
| 406 | So in the Good Samaritan study, they basically have in one condition, | 所以在"好撒玛利亚研究"中 他们基本上有一个条件 |
| 407 | a somebody who's like obviously homeless and suffering, right? | 像一个明显无家可归和痛苦的人,对不对? |
| 408 | And they're there. | 他们在那里。 |
| 409 | In the other condition, that's also true. | 在另一种情况下,这也是事实。 |
| 410 | But in one condition, these Good Samaritans, right? | 但有一个条件,这些好撒玛利亚人,对不对? |
| 411 | These | 这些 |
| 412 | seminarians are like rushing to get to a next appointment, right? | 研讨会上的人就像赶着去 下一个约会,对不对? |
| 413 | Like you give them a phone | 就像你给他们电话一样 |
| 414 | call and they're supposed to. | 他们应该打电话来 |
| 415 | And another one, they don't. | 又一个,他们没有。 |
| 416 | It's a trivial situational feature. | 这是一个微不足道的情况特征。 |
| 417 | It shouldn't affect their character, right? | 这不应该影响他们的性格,对不对? |
| 418 | You didn't make them more altruistic by like calling | 你没有让他们更利他 喜欢打电话 |
| 419 | them and saying like, oh, you have to be in this place at two o'clock. | 他们说,哦,你必须在2点到这里。 |
| 420 | But it has a massive effect | 但它有巨大的影响 |
| 421 | on whether they stop and help the person who needs help. | 他们是否停下来帮助需要帮助的人。 |
| 422 | So this is the kind of thing that | 所以这就是那种事情 |
| 423 | all graduate students in psychology learn about the hidden power of situations. | 所有心理学的研究生都了解了各种情况隐藏的力量. |
| 424 | We feel like we're | 我们觉得自己是 |
| 425 | intentional, but we're much more reactive. | 故意的,但我们的反应要多得多。 |
| 426 | Okay, you learn about that in graduate school. | 好吧,你在研究生院学到了这一点。 |
| 427 | So I can't | 所以我没办法 |
| 428 | lie and say that I never knew about the power of the situation. | 撒谎说,我从不知道局势的力量 |
| 429 | But I do think that connecting this | 但我确实认为连接这个 |
| 430 | to excellence, like connecting this to agency, there are philosophers who have pointed out that | 有哲学家指出 |
| 431 | the agency of the individual is located within. | 个人的代理机构位于其中。 |
| 432 | There are not many philosophers who say that you | 没有多少哲学家会说你 |
| 433 | have agency over your circumstances, that whether you choose to have water next to you or whatever | 对您的情况有帮助, 无论您选择有水 在您旁边或者什么 |
| 434 | you're not trying to drink, soda, whatever, like is up to you. | 你不是想喝酒,苏打水,什么的,就像你决定。 |
| 435 | I think that to me was an insight that | 我认为,对我来说是一种洞察力, |
| 436 | I hadn't fully appreciated when I started out. | 刚开始的时候我还没完全感激呢 |
| 437 | It's a feedback mechanism as well, | 这也是一个反馈机制, |
| 438 | presumably, that you can engineer more agency, which means that you can engineer further, | 假设你可以设计更多的代理, 这意味着你可以进一步设计, |
| 439 | which means more. | 这意味着更多。 |
| 440 | I think there are many examples of positive feedback cycles. | 我认为有许多积极反馈周期的例子。 |
| 441 | And in a way, | 在某种程度上, |
| 442 | when we're talking about like a strength becomes more of a strength, right? | 当我们在谈论一个力量 变成一个力量,对不对? |
| 443 | And a weakness becomes | 一个弱点变成了 |
| 444 | more. | 再来 |
| 445 | That's also a positive feedback cycle, right? | 这也是一个积极的反馈周期,对不对? |
| 446 | The Matthew effect, right? | 马修效应 对吧? |
| 447 | Like, you know, | 喜欢,你知道, |
| 448 | the rich get richer, whatever it is you're doing. | 富人变得富有 不管你在做什么 |
| 449 | So I do think situational agency begets situational | 所以我觉得情境机构会带来情境 |
| 450 | agency. | 机构。 |
| 451 | And it's not just that. | 不仅如此 |
| 452 | But when you start to change your situation, and you realize | 但当你开始改变你的处境,你意识到 |
| 453 | that you do have a responsibility to put things around you and to be around people who bring out | 你确实有责任把事情 围绕在你身边 并环绕着那些带出来的人 |
| 454 | your best, I think that encourages you to do more of the same. | 我认为这鼓励你做更多同样的事情。 |
| 455 | What are the environmental | 什么是环境 |
| 456 | similarities that you discovered when studying world-class performers? | 你在研究世界级表演者时发现的相似之处? |
| 457 | Well, since we are in | 既然我们加入了 |
| 458 | Austin, I will tell you that the signature example of grit would be Michael Phelps, | 奥斯汀,我会告诉你 格里特的签名例子将是迈克尔・菲尔普斯, |
| 459 | right? | 对吧? |
| 460 | 365 day a year swimmer for a 20-year career, right? | 一年365天游泳选手 20年的职业生涯,对不对? |
| 461 | And I had dinner with Michael | 我和迈克尔共进晚餐 |
| 462 | Phelps' coach, Bob Bowman, who is a coach here now at UT Austin. | 菲尔普斯的教练鲍勃·鲍曼(Bob Bowman)现在是在UT奥斯汀的教练. |
| 463 | And to me, the story of Michael | 对我来说,迈克尔的故事 |
| 464 | Phelps is a perfect illustration of how grit is essential and how grit is not enough. | 菲尔普斯完美地说明了格利特如何至关重要,格利特如何是不够的. |
| 465 | And here's | 这里 |
| 466 | why. | 为什么? |
| 467 | You can be as gritty as Michael Phelps. | 你可以像迈克尔·菲尔普斯一样粗鲁 |
| 468 | I really don't think there's anybody who's worked | 我真的不认为有人曾经工作过 |
| 469 | harder than Michael Phelps. | 比迈克尔·菲尔普斯还难 |
| 470 | And he's actually said that himself. | 他其实也是这么说的 |
| 471 | He was like, I'm not going to brag | 他说,我不会吹嘘 |
| 472 | about a lot of things, but I will say that I don't think anybody swam harder than I did. | 有很多事, 但我会说,我不认为任何人 游泳比我更难。 |
| 473 | Like, nobody | 没有人 |
| 474 | practiced and trained. | 练习和训练。 |
| 475 | And it's not just the physical, by the way, but mental, something that | 顺便说一句 不只是身体上的 精神上的 |
| 476 | Bob mentioned kind of like parenthetically last night. | 鲍勃昨晚提到过 有点像括号 |
| 477 | It's not just the mileage that he put into | 这不仅仅是他投入的里程数 |
| 478 | the pool and how much he would mentally visualize every competition, but not just what Bob asked him | 游泳池 以及他有多少精神 想象每个比赛, 但不只是鲍勃问他 |
| 479 | to do, which is to imagine how you want the race to go. | 来想象比赛会如何进行 |
| 480 | But he imagined all the ways the race could | 但是他想出了所有比赛的方法 |
| 481 | go and then what he would do so that he was completely able to be in the moment. | 然后去他要做什么 这样他就可以完全在那一刻。 |
| 482 | But then | 但后来 |
| 483 | when you ask the question, well, would Michael Phelps have become arguably the greatest athlete | 当你问这个问题, 那么, 迈克尔·菲尔普斯 已经成为 可以说最伟大的运动员 |
| 484 | ever? | 永远? |
| 485 | Because he's certainly the most decorated Olympic athlete by a stretch, right? | 因为他当然是最装饰的奥运运动员,对吧? |
| 486 | Nobody's | 没有人 |
| 487 | going to approach this record that he has of 28 medals, 23 of them gold across a 20-year career. | 他有28枚奖牌 其中23枚是金牌 在20年的职业生涯中 |
| 488 | But you could also ask the question, was he situated, right? | 但你也可以问,他的位置,对不对? |
| 489 | And absolutely. | 当然 |
| 490 | Okay, so let's | 好吧,那么我们 |
| 491 | consider that Michael Phelps was born 10 minutes, well, he's actually born an hour away from where | 考虑到迈克尔・菲尔普斯出生 10分钟, 嗯,他实际上出生 一个小时距离 |
| 492 | Bob Bowman, I think the greatest swimming coach in history, happened to be, and he was then moved | 鲍勃·鲍曼,我认为史上最伟大的游泳教练, 碰巧是, 然后他被移动了 |
| 493 | to be only 10 minutes away because Michael's sisters wanted to swim and they wanted to swim | 因为迈克尔的姐妹们想游泳 他们想游泳 |
| 494 | where all the best swimmers were. | 所有最好的游泳运动员都在那里 |
| 495 | So they started going to the North Baltimore Aquatic Center and | 于是他们开始前往北巴尔的摩水体中心和 |
| 496 | that is where the best swimmers were, so the best team, and also the best coaches. | 最好的游泳选手就在那里, 所以最好的球队, 以及最好的教练。 |
| 497 | Like the kind of | 比如说 |
| 498 | youth aquatic center that actually recruits nationally for coaches, which is why Bob Bowman | 年轻的水产中心 真正在全国招募教练, 这就是为什么鲍勃鲍曼 |
| 499 | moved from California to Baltimore. | 从加州搬到巴尔的摩. |
| 500 | So it was a situation. | 因此,这是一个情况。 |
| 501 | He also had his mom, so he had ADHD | 他也有他的妈妈,所以他有ADHD |
| 502 | as a diagnosis, as a nine-year-old, I think. | 作为诊断,作为一个九岁的孩子,我想。 |
| 503 | And he had this mom who was so situationally wise, | 他有一个妈妈 谁是如此的明智的情况, |
| 504 | she understood that in certain situations, Michael was a pain in the ass. | 她明白,在某些情况下, 迈克尔是一个痛苦的屁股。 |
| 505 | Look, by the end | 看,到最后为止 |
| 506 | of this podcast, I'm just going to be dropping F bombs, but he was a pain in the ass. | 这个播客,我只是要去投 F炸弹, 但他是一个痛苦的屁股。 |
| 507 | Letters home, | 写信回家 |
| 508 | you know, teachers saying like this kid doesn't have potential, like he's also a disruption, | 你知道,老师说 像这孩子没有潜力, 像他也是一个干扰, |
| 509 | but she knew that in the right situation, he would have complete focus and total effort. | 但是她知道,在正确的情况下,他会 完全集中和全力。 |
| 510 | So that's the pool. | 这就是游泳池。 |
| 511 | I think these features of a situation, Baltimore Aquatic Center, | 巴尔的摩水体中心, |
| 512 | a team of athletes who even at ages like 9, 10, 11 were used to the kind of practice that elite | 一队运动员,即使9岁、10岁、11岁 也习惯了那种精英的练习 |
| 513 | swimmers do, a coach who ends up being, you know, in the storybooks as like one of the greatest | 游泳运动员是的,一个教练 最终,你知道, 在故事书中 像最伟大的之一 |
| 514 | coaches ever, you cannot explain Michael Phelps' achievements without talking about his situation. | 教练,你不能解释迈克尔・菲尔普斯的成就 不谈他的情况。 |
| 515 | And then if you just look at, you know, subsequent things, I think Michael actually did have a lot | 然后如果你只是看,你知道, 后来的事情, 我认为迈克尔确实有很多 |
| 516 | of situational agency. | 情况机构。 |
| 517 | When Bob Bowman moved from Baltimore, Michael Phelps had the good | 当鲍勃·鲍曼从巴尔的摩搬走时,迈克尔·菲尔普斯就得到了好处 |
| 518 | sense to follow him, right? | 感觉跟随他 对吧? |
| 519 | 碞钩笵ぃ琌 swim | |
| 520 | unless he was with Bob, right? | 除非他和鲍勃在一起,对吧? |
| 521 | So I think there is a story that is not often told. | 因此,我认为有一个故事不常被讲述。 |
| 522 | You show me | 你给我看 |
| 523 | the paragon of grit, and if you keep looking, you will also find a situation that was their ally. | 如果你继续寻找,你也会找到他们盟友的情况。 |
| 524 | The supplement industry is full of products making claims that they can't back, which is why I'm | 补品行业有很多产品 声称不能退缩 这就是为什么我 |
| 525 | such a massive fan of Momentus. | 如此庞大的摩门教徒。 |
| 526 | Their co-founder, Jeff Beyers, played in the NFL and saw firsthand | 他们的联合创始人杰夫·贝耶斯(Jeff Beyers)在NFL中演出,亲眼看到 |
| 527 | just how wildly the quality of supplements can vary, so he built Momentus around a higher standard. | 补充品的质量会有多疯狂 所以他把Momentus建在一个更高的标准上 |
| 528 | Every product from Momentus uses evidence-backed ingredients, transparent doses, and independent | Momentus的每一种产品都使用证据支持的成分、透明的剂量和独立的剂量。 |
| 529 | third-party testing. | 第三方测试。 |
| 530 | Everything is NSF certified for sports, so what's on the label is actually | 所有东西都是NSF的体育认证 所以标签上的其实是 |
| 531 | in the tub. | 在浴缸里。 |
| 532 | It's why Momentus is trusted inside all 32 NFL locker rooms. | 这就是为什么Momentus被信任 在所有的32 NFL更衣室。 |
| 533 | It's why I've trusted | 这就是为什么我信任 |
| 534 | them with my own supplements for years. | 他们用我自己的 补充数年。 |
| 535 | Best of all, Momentus offers a 30-day money-back guarantee | 最好的,Momentus提供30天的退款担保 |
| 536 | so you can buy it and try it for 29 days. | 这样你就可以买下它 并尝试29天。 |
| 537 | If you don't love it, they will give you your money back, | 如果你不喜欢,他们会还你钱 |
| 538 | plus they ship internationally. | 加上他们国际运输。 |
| 539 | Right now you can get up to 35% off your first subscription and that | 现在,你可以得到高达35%的 您的首次订阅和 |
| 540 | 30-day money-back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to | 30天的回扣担保,方式是到下文描述的链接,或到 |
| 541 | livemomentus.com slash 现代智慧 并使用代号MODERNWISDOM 在检查。 | |
| 542 | That's | 这是 |
| 543 | L-I-V-E-M-O-M-N-U-S dot com slash Modern Wisdom and Modern Wisdom at checkout. [永久失效連結] (中文(简体) ). | |
| 544 | Isn't that interesting? | 是不是很有趣吗? |
| 545 | First off, an inversion of the athlete going with the coach as opposed | 首先,运动员与教练的逆向 |
| 546 | to the coach going with the athlete, because usually people think about the athlete as being | 因为通常人们会认为运动员是 |
| 547 | the once-in-a-generation talent, but what Michael Phelps identified was that he would only be what | 但迈克尔·菲尔普斯认为 他只会是 |
| 548 | he could be if he was around this particular guy. | 如果他和这个家伙在一起,他就有可能 |
| 549 | This particular arguably once-in-a-generation coach. | 这个特别的 一次一代的教练。 |
| 550 | Also, what's kind of interesting, you know, the word is situation. | 而且,有趣的是,你知道,这个词是情况。 |
| 551 | When people think about | 当人们想到 |
| 552 | situation, it's kind of amorphous, it's like big, it's ephemeral, but he'd found this singular, | 情况,它有点不自然, 它像大,它是麻风, 但他发现了这个单数, |
| 553 | this one linchpin that because he would have left his teammates, he would have left his home, | 这其中的关键,因为他会 离开他的队友, 他会离开他的家, |
| 554 | he would have left his routine, his car. | 他会离开他的常规,他的车。 |
| 555 | Maybe the new pool's a little bit longer or colder or | 也许新泳池有点长 或更冷或 |
| 556 | wider or something. | 更宽的什么的。 |
| 557 | Maybe the chlorine's slightly different or maybe he can't get the same kind of | 也许氯的 略有不同 或者他不能得到同样的类型 |
| 558 | his friends or his girlfriend or whatever. | 他的朋友或者他的女朋友之类的 |
| 559 | It's like his situation was a guy. | 他的情况就像一个人 |
| 560 | So how have you come | 你怎么来的? |
| 561 | to think about this? | 考虑这个? |
| 562 | Because look, I really appreciate you asking me for critique at the | 听着,我真的很感激你要求我批评 |
| 563 | top. | 顶部。 |
| 564 | It seems like your career in academia has made you sort of wanting to hear things. | 看来你的学术生涯 让你有点想听一些事情 |
| 565 | I was a little bit worried when I was like, Angela Duckworth's next book is going to be about | 我当时有点担心 安吉拉·达克沃斯的下一本书 |
| 566 | situation and environment design. | 情况和环境设计。 |
| 567 | I was a little worried when I first thought about that because | 我第一次考虑的时候有点担心 因为... |
| 568 | I'm like, with a productivity background and like spending a lot of time with David Allen's getting | 我很喜欢,有生产力背景 喜欢花很多时间 大卫艾伦得到 |
| 569 | things done and environment design, like, you know, you don't want to be distracted by your | 事情做了,环境设计, 喜欢,你知道, 你不想被你的分心 |
| 570 | phone. | 电话 |
| 571 | Don't have it next to you on the table. | 不要放在桌子旁边 |
| 572 | I'm like, don't, it can't be, it can't be. | 我很喜欢,不要, 它不可能,它不可能。 |
| 573 | And | 还有 |
| 574 | what I'm keen to do is to, everyone now understands that your environment sort of can influence you. | 我很想做的是,现在每个人都明白 你的环境会影响你。 |
| 575 | I want to move past like, don't have the chips in the house. | 我想搬过去 就像,不要有薯片在房子里。 |
| 576 | You're like, this I know. | 你就像,这个我知道。 |
| 577 | Yeah, | 对 |
| 578 | no, that's great. | 不,这是伟大的。 |
| 579 | But I want to go to, I want to get really deep on the environment design stuff. | 但是我想去,我想深入了解环境设计 |
| 580 | What is the cutting edge shit that makes the biggest difference that people don't already | 是什么尖端的狗屎 产生最大的区别 人们已经没有 |
| 581 | know? | 知道吗? |
| 582 | People know that they shouldn't live that far from the gym, right? | 人们知道 他们不应该住 远离体育馆,对不对? |
| 583 | People know that they | 人们知道他们 |
| 584 | should. | 应该。 |
| 585 | By the way, they don't necessarily do anything about it, right? | 顺便说一句,他们不一定做任何事情,对不对? |
| 586 | So like, before we just | 所以,在我们刚刚之前 |
| 587 | skip over like, oh, everybody knows that like, you know, what's within your reach is what you're | 跳过像,哦,每个人都知道, 喜欢,你知道,什么是你的能力 |
| 588 | going to eat. | 要去吃饭。 |
| 589 | Like, everybody knows that. | 像,每个人都知道这一点。 |
| 590 | How many people put that into practice? | 有多少人把它付诸实践? |
| 591 | When I wrote the | 当我写 |
| 592 | chapter on like, set up your space, I was like, blindingly obvious, but nobody's doing it. | 关于像,布置你的空间, 我很喜欢,盲目的明显, 但没有人这样做。 |
| 593 | But I | 不过 |
| 594 | agree with you. | 同意你的意见。 |
| 595 | There are also chapters on everybody knows it's important, but they don't | 也有一些章节,每个人都知道 这很重要,但是他们不 |
| 596 | think it's possible. | 认为这是可能的。 |
| 597 | I mean, there's other things, but before we skip past like, what's within reach, | 我的意思是,还有其他事情, 但是在我们跳过像,什么是可能的, |
| 598 | and I'll just say, I think in my research, by the way, when I ask Americans, like, what's the best | 我只是说,我想在我的研究中,顺便说一句, 当我问美国人,喜欢,什么是最好的 |
| 599 | way to control your behavior? | 如何控制你的行为? |
| 600 | They say it's to control the situation. | 他们说是为了控制局势 |
| 601 | Ask the same Americans, | 问同样的美国人, |
| 602 | what do you do? | 你们做什么的? |
| 603 | They say they use willpower. | 他们说他们使用意志力。 |
| 604 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 605 | Well, then I asked follow up questions. | 我问了后续问题 |
| 606 | I said, | 我说, |
| 607 | why? | 为什么? |
| 608 | And one of the most common responses was, I want to be the sort of person who can do what | 最常见的一个答案是 我想成为那种能做什么的人 |
| 609 | they want because of their will, not because they need the situation. | 他们想要是因为他们的意志,而不是因为他们需要情况。 |
| 610 | They don't want the situation | 他们不想这样 |
| 611 | to be a crutch. | 成为一个拐杖。 |
| 612 | I think it needs a kind of a mark of character. | 我认为它需要一种性格标记。 |
| 613 | Like, you don't want to be the kind | 喜欢,你不想成为那种人 |
| 614 | of person who needs to take GLP ones or to like, you know, you want to be the sort of person who | 想要成为那种人 |
| 615 | doesn't need that, right? | 没必要,对吧? |
| 616 | So I think that that to me is at least part of the answer. | 因此,我认为这至少是答案的一部分。 |
| 617 | But you ask the | 但你却问 |
| 618 | question, like, what's not obvious, right? | 问题,像,什么是不明显的,对不对? |
| 619 | So let's get to that. | 因此,让我们开始吧。 |
| 620 | Here's something that I think is not | 有件事我觉得不是 |
| 621 | obvious. | 很明显 |
| 622 | I think it is not obvious that by and large, you'll be more successful achieving your | 我认为,从总体上讲,你能否更成功地完成你的 |
| 623 | individual goals if you do it as part of a group. | 个人目标,如果你这样做作为一个团体的一部分。 |
| 624 | And I'm not talking about just sort of like, oh, | 我不是在说... |
| 625 | being specifically on a swimming team or I'm literally talking about like, so somebody's | 特别在游泳队里 或者我是在说 |
| 626 | trying to run a marathon, someone's trying to be a better public speaker, entrepreneur, start a | 尝试跑马拉松, 有人试图成为一个更好的 公共演讲者,企业家, |
| 627 | company, become a better marketer, right? | 公司,成为一个更好的营销者,对不对? |
| 628 | If you ask the question, could I find other people who | 如果你问这个问题, 我可以找到其他人谁 |
| 629 | don't necessarily work with me on my project, but are just striving for the same goals, | 不必跟我合作 在我的项目上, 只是为同样的目标, |
| 630 | also trying to run a marathon, also trying to go to the gym more, also trying to | 也试图跑马拉松, 也试图去更多的健身房, |
| 631 | found a company, but maybe a different company, right? | 找到一个公司,但也许另一个公司,对不对? |
| 632 | Research shows, and I think this is | 研究表明, 我认为这是 |
| 633 | countercultural, research shows that you will be more successful on average if you do that | 反文化研究显示,如果你这样做,你平均会更成功 |
| 634 | in a flock, like as part of a tribe. | 成群结队,就像部落一样 |
| 635 | And the reason I say it's countercultural is that | 我之所以说这是反文化的 |
| 636 | expression, do it yourself was introduced more than 50 years ago, but it's now 50 times more | 表达,你自己做 50多年前介绍, 但现在50倍 |
| 637 | common. | 常见。 |
| 638 | And when I see young people in particular, the things that they try to do, they try to do | 当我特别看到年轻人, 他们试图做的事情, 他们试图做 |
| 639 | with their own individual effort, it doesn't necessarily occur to them to find, you know, | 以他们个人的努力, 他们不一定会发现,你知道, |
| 640 | other aspiring writers, like other aspiring, whatever it is. | 其他有抱负的作家, 像其他有抱负的作家, 不管是什么。 |
| 641 | And that to me is an insight | 这对我来说是一种洞察力 |
| 642 | that if I could go back in time, I think of young people that I've advised and like, I'm trying to | 如果我能回到过去,我想到 年轻人,我已经建议 |
| 643 | manage their time management and their confidence and so forth. | 管理他们的时间管理、信心等等。 |
| 644 | How often did I say, who else do you | 我经常说,你还有谁? |
| 645 | know that is trying to like be a graduate student? | 知道这是想当个研究生吗? |
| 646 | And how often did I say like, let's help you find | 我经常说 让我们帮你找 |
| 647 | a group? | 一个团体? |
| 648 | Because it's easier in some ways if you're a swimmer, because you join a team, | 如果你是游泳运动员 在某些方面会比较容易 因为你加入了一支队伍 |
| 649 | I think it's less obvious, but just as transformative to do that for like quite | 我认为它不那么明显, 但就像变革性 这样做像相当 |
| 650 | literally any individual personal goal you have. | 任何个人目标 |
| 651 | What like, what are some of the non-obvious goals | 像什么,什么是 一些非明显的目标 |
| 652 | that people have used groups to help them with? | 人们利用团体帮助他们? |
| 653 | So one of the, you know, examples that I found in | 所以其中一个,你知道,我发现的例子 |
| 654 | my research on this was there was a group of surgeons, right? | 我的研究是 有一群外科医生 对吧? |
| 655 | And it wasn't necessarily they | 也不一定是他们 |
| 656 | were trying to be better surgeons, but surgery is like an all-consuming thing. | 试图成为更好的外科医生, 但手术就像一个消耗一切的东西。 |
| 657 | What they really | 他们的真面目 |
| 658 | wanted to do, they were all young men, they were just finishing, I think, like the part of their | 想做,他们都是年轻人, 他们只是完成,我想,像他们的一部分 |
| 659 | specialized training. | 专业培训。 |
| 660 | So they're all going into orthopedic surgery, they met at a conference, | 所以,他们都要去 整形手术,他们见面 在一次会议上, |
| 661 | because, you know, that's what they did for their life. | 因为,你知道,这是 他们为自己的生命所做的。 |
| 662 | But they had a dinner, | 但他们有晚餐, |
| 663 | and they said that they had a different goal other than being world-class surgeons, which they all, | 他们说,他们有一个不同的目标 除了作为世界级的外科医生, 他们都, |
| 664 | by the way, ended up being like, they're all charred professors at like the best hospital | 顺便说一句,最后他们就像, 他们都是焦焦的教授 像最好的医院 |
| 665 | systems in the country. | 国家体系。 |
| 666 | They had another goal, they wanted to be good fathers, and they wanted | 他们有另一个目标, 他们想成为好父亲, 他们想要 |
| 667 | to be good husbands. | 成为好丈夫 |
| 668 | And they wondered how they would do that, right? | 他们想知道他们会怎么做,对不对? |
| 669 | And they were living in | 他们生活在 |
| 670 | different cities, they had their own lives. | 不同的城市, 他们有自己的生活。 |
| 671 | And at this point, they're strangers, right? | 而此时,他们是陌生人,对不对? |
| 672 | But they decided to have dinner at the next conference and the next one, and then they | 但是他们决定在下次会议和下次会议上吃晚餐,然后他们 |
| 673 | decided to have a group text thread. | 决定有一个分组文本线索。 |
| 674 | And you ask these men who are now at retirement age, | 你问那些已经退休的男人, |
| 675 | how different would your lives be if you had tried to become world-class orthopedic surgeons | 如果你想成为世界一流的矫形外科医生 你会有什么不同 |
| 676 | and achieve this other goal of being men, you know, being men who showed up for their family and so | 并实现另一个目标 成为男人, 你知道,成为男人 现身为家人,所以 |
| 677 | what's the road not taken? | 什么路没有走? |
| 678 | And each of these men will say that the road not taken is not the | 这些人都会说没有走的路不是 |
| 679 | best road, that they are, that their lives were transformed. | 最好的路,他们是, 他们的生活被改变。 |
| 680 | And then they gave examples, | 然后他们举出例子, |
| 681 | you know, they've seen each other through true tragedy and every possible, you know, | 你知道,他们见过对方 通过真正的悲剧 和每一个可能,你知道, |
| 682 | personal struggle. | 个人斗争。 |
| 683 | And it was because they had this group. | 那是因为他们有这个团体。 |
| 684 | And it really was nothing more or less | 也没什么大不了的 |
| 685 | than a group text thread, and then getting together a few times, you know, with some increasing | 而不是组合的文本线程, 然后聚在一起几次,你知道,一些增加 |
| 686 | frequency, right? | 频率,对不对? |
| 687 | So now not just at conferences and so forth. | 因此,现在不只是在各种会议上。 |
| 688 | When I think about my own career, | 当我想到自己的事业时 |
| 689 | like when I interviewed them, I was like, Oh, what about me? | 就像我采访他们的时候,我就像, 哦,我怎么样? |
| 690 | Like, I don't have that. | 喜欢,我没有。 |
| 691 | And I will tell | 我会告诉 |
| 692 | you that I have room to grow too, because I have collaborators. | 因为我有合作者 |
| 693 | I have a team that works in my lab. | 我有一个团队在我的实验室工作。 |
| 694 | I don't have what these men have. | 我没有他们拥有的 |
| 695 | Like, I don't have this, like, group of people who are struggling | 喜欢,我没有这样的,喜欢, 一群人在挣扎 |
| 696 | with the same professional and personal challenges. | 面对同样的专业和个人挑战。 |
| 697 | You know, it is essentially creating | 你知道,它本质上是创造 |
| 698 | Alcoholics Anonymous for yourself. | 酗酒是匿名的 |
| 699 | Like, it's creating a mutual aid society, which is how | 就像,它正在建立一个互助社会,这就是如何 |
| 700 | Alcoholics Anonymous sometimes calls them. | 匿名者有时会叫他们 |
| 701 | It's like, I don't have that. | 这就像,我没有。 |
| 702 | And I think, | 我觉得 |
| 703 | I think it would even for me at 56, and a lot to be grateful for, I think it would transform my life. | 我认为这甚至会对我来说 56, 和很多感激, 我想这会改变我的生活。 |
| 704 | And I'm actually trying to start one. | 而我实际上正试图开始一个。 |
| 705 | I like actually reached out to these women who were | 我喜欢联系那些女人 |
| 706 | like, what? | 喜欢什么? |
| 707 | Like, all in their 50s, actually one of their high 40s, or maybe she's 50. | 像,所有在他们的50, 实际上是他们的高40之一, 或者也许她50。 |
| 708 | And I said, | 我说, |
| 709 | like, I interviewed these surgeons, I want to try to do what I what I'm trying to do. | 就像,我采访了这些外科医生, 我想尝试做我所要做的事。 |
| 710 | But I would | 但我会 |
| 711 | like to try to do it like somehow in some kind of fellowship or community with you. | 喜欢尝试做它 像某种 友谊或社区与你。 |
| 712 | Do you want to make the Avengers assemble of high powered lady academics? | 你想让复仇者团团团圆吗? |
| 713 | They are really high powered, I have to say. | 我不得不说,它们非常强大。 |
| 714 | I think it's very important if you're going to | 我认为这是非常重要的 如果你要去 |
| 715 | decide to like start a group, right? | 决定开始组队,对吧? |
| 716 | You can join a group. | 你可以加入一个团体。 |
| 717 | If you can find a group, | 如果你能找到一个团体, |
| 718 | I think you just join a group, right? | 我想你只是加入一个团体,对不对? |
| 719 | Like, you're trying to marathon and you just find | 喜欢,你试图马拉松 你只是发现 |
| 720 | the local running club. | 当地的经营俱乐部。 |
| 721 | They're apparently over 60 in Philadelphia. | 他们显然超过60 在费城。 |
| 722 | So like, there's got to be | 所以说,一定有 |
| 723 | a running club wherever you are. | 无论你在哪里 都会有一家俱乐部 |
| 724 | And there's probably a group of people who like want to | 也许有一群人喜欢 |
| 725 | write a book or whatever. | 写一本书什么的。 |
| 726 | But if you're trying to find a group like these orthopedic surgeons | 但如果你想找到像这些矫形外科医生这样的人 |
| 727 | could not find a group that they could just join of like other elite orthopedic surgeons who cared | 无法找到一个群体 他们可以只是加入 像其他精英 矫形外科医生 谁关心 |
| 728 | about family and so forth, well, then they start one, right? | 关于家庭之类的, 那么,他们开始一个,对不对? |
| 729 | If you're going to do that, I think | 如果你要这样做,我想 |
| 730 | you should probably look for two things. | 你也许应该找两样东西 |
| 731 | I do think stage of life, like the difference between | 我想到了人生的阶段,就像 |
| 732 | a mentor and a peer is that a mentor is above you. | 一个导师和一个同伴就是导师在你之上. |
| 733 | They are farther than you, they're above you. | 他们比你远,他们比你高。 |
| 734 | And | 还有 |
| 735 | honestly, they're usually older than you. | 老实说,他们通常比你大。 |
| 736 | So I think finding somebody who's at the same stage | 所以我想找到一个处于同一阶段的人 |
| 737 | of life, and then who are really like like minded. | 生活,然后谁真的 像心智。 |
| 738 | And so yes, you won't be surprised that the women | 所以,是的,你不会惊讶 女人 |
| 739 | I reach out to are all like, very accomplished women. | 我伸手是所有 像,非常有成就的女人。 |
| 740 | And they're all around my age. | 他们都在我这个年纪 |
| 741 | You know, it makes me think about it makes me think about the difference between reading fiction | 你知道,它让我思考 它让我思考 阅读小说的不同 |
| 742 | and nonfiction with the mentor versus peer relationship. | 和不虚构 与导师对同伴关系。 |
| 743 | So in a mentor relationship, | 所以在导师关系中 |
| 744 | it's largely what the unidirectional right, the advice is going to come, it's going to come from | 主要是单向右,建议会来,它会从 |
| 745 | them to you. | 他们给你。 |
| 746 | But in the same way as reading fiction can often teach you more stuff than reading | 但和读小说一样 常常会教你更多的东西 |
| 747 | nonfiction does, because you understand the protagonist motivations. | 不是虚构的 因为你明白主角的动机 |
| 748 | And okay, what does | 好吧,什么情况 |
| 749 | that mean? | 这是什么意思? |
| 750 | It causes you to reflect, it's more indirect. | 让你反省,更间接 |
| 751 | In the same way, when you've got a peer | 同样,当你有一个同伴 |
| 752 | group indirectly, the advice that you need to give somebody reveals something about yourself to | 间接地,你需要给别人的建议 揭示一些关于你自己的东西 |
| 753 | yourself, which is by the way, part of the magic of AA, right? | 顺便说一句,是AA魔法的一部分,对吧? |
| 754 | Alcoholics anonymous, as they say, | 匿名酗酒者,他们说, |
| 755 | like you only keep it when you give it away. | 就像你只保留它 当你放弃它。 |
| 756 | I mean, there is something in the advice giving | 我的意思是,有些东西的建议 |
| 757 | that is self awareness. | 这是自我意识。 |
| 758 | Well, I mean, how you mentioned before about the identity element | 我是说 你之前提到的身份元素 |
| 759 | of personality, right? | 性格,对不对? |
| 760 | I am the sort of person that goes to the gym, I am the sort of person | 我是那种去健身房的人 我是那种人 |
| 761 | that does the thing. | 事情就是这样 |
| 762 | Like it is hard to proselytize about this thing that somebody else should be | 好像很难改邪归正 这件事情应该是别人 |
| 763 | doing without it at least somehow throwing into sharp contrast, the fact that you're not doing | 没有它,至少某种方式 投向鲜明的对比, 事实,你不做 |
| 764 | it yourself. | 你自己来。 |
| 765 | I actually did do a random assignment study where we asked people to give advice as | 事实上,我做了一个随机任务研究 在那里,我们请人们给出建议,作为 |
| 766 | kids, right? | 孩子们,对吧? |
| 767 | Like, you know, how do you not procrastinate? | 比如,你知道,你怎么不拖延时间? |
| 768 | Like, and so that was the whole | 就像,所以这是整个 |
| 769 | advice giving is an intervention. | 提供建议是一种干预。 |
| 770 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 771 | And, you know, yeah, the race went up. | 而且,你知道,是的, 比赛升。 |
| 772 | So like basically | 所以基本上是这样的 |
| 773 | in the treatment group, which was like, you know, in a few minutes, like just write down the things | 在治疗组, 这就像,你知道的, 在几分钟内, |
| 774 | that you would advise other students to do. | 你会建议其他学生这样做。 |
| 775 | Like that was the whole thing. | 碞钩琌妓 |
| 776 | Like we didn't tell them | 就像我们没有告诉他们 |
| 777 | anything. | 任何东西。 |
| 778 | They weren't even giving it to a student. | 他们甚至不给学生。 |
| 779 | It was an imaginary student. | 那是个想象中的学生 |
| 780 | They weren't told to | 他们没有被告知 |
| 781 | like give it to a student. | 就像给学生一样 |
| 782 | And actually we don't lie in our studies. | 实际上我们不会在学习中撒谎 |
| 783 | So we actually did give it | 所以我们真的给了它 |
| 784 | to other students because it was actually good advice, it turns out. | 对其他学生来说, 因为它实际上是很好的建议, 结果发现。 |
| 785 | And then the students who | 然后是学生 |
| 786 | are randomly assigned to give advice and then the control group was just a control group. | 然后控制组只是控制组。 |
| 787 | It wasn't | 这不是 |
| 788 | that they received, it was just a control group that like didn't do this. | 他们得到的, 它只是一个控制小组 喜欢没有做到这一点。 |
| 789 | They actually did better | 他们真的做得更好 |
| 790 | themselves. | 他们自己。 |
| 791 | I do think there's something about like, I think it's partly, by the way, self | 我确实觉得有些事情,我认为这是 一部分,顺便说一句,自己 |
| 792 | awareness, like you, you basically do some reflection. | 和你一样,你基本上会思考 |
| 793 | And then also there's a kind of like, | 还有一种感觉 |
| 794 | well, I just said it. | 好吧,我只是说。 |
| 795 | So like, I should probably do it, right? | 所以,我应该这样做,对不对? |
| 796 | Like a kind of consistency, like | 像一种一致性,像 |
| 797 | you don't want to be a hypocrite, right? | 你不想成为伪君子吧? |
| 798 | But I do think your point about what is the difference | 但我确实认为你的观点 区别是什么 |
| 799 | between a peer and a mentor is profound. | 同伴和导师之间是深刻的。 |
| 800 | And I guess if I, if I, if I wanted to sum up what I | 我想如果我,如果我, 如果我想总结一下我 |
| 801 | just said about like, what's something non-obvious about your situation? | 刚才说,你的处境有什么不明显的? |
| 802 | Like, are you doing things | 喜欢,你在做事情 |
| 803 | alone? | 一个人? |
| 804 | And more and more Americans are doing that over the last 15 or 20 years, we're spending more | 在过去的15年或20年里,越来越多的美国人在这样做,我们花更多的钱 |
| 805 | time alone in every category of age, and particularly with young people, but it's not | 时间在每一个年龄段, 特别是年轻人, 但它不是 |
| 806 | just young people. | 只是年轻人 |
| 807 | We're also spending less time out of the house, it turns out, like by over an | 我们离开家的时间也比较少,结果,就像过一个 |
| 808 | hour. | 一小时 |
| 809 | So over the last 20 years, we're spending like, you know, less time just not under our own | 所以在过去的20年里, 我们花的就像,你知道, 少时间 只是不在我们自己的 |
| 810 | roofs, which means that we're very likely alone, but we're sort of isolated, right, from the rest | 屋顶,这意味着我们很可能会孤独, 但我们有点孤立,对,从其他的。 |
| 811 | of society. | 社会。 |
| 812 | And a new finding that was just published, not by me, but by, you know, scientists | 刚刚发表的一个新发现 不是由我 而是由科学家 |
| 813 | who specialize in this, we're speaking about 300 fewer words a day. | 专门研究这个的 我们每天要讲300个字 |
| 814 | So we're sort of becoming a | 所以,我们有点成为一个 |
| 815 | isolated, silent. | 孤立,沉默。 |
| 816 | Oh, okay. | 哦,还好。 |
| 817 | You don't, you don't mean vocabulary breadth. | 你没有,你的意思不是词汇宽度。 |
| 818 | You mean volume of words | 你是指字数 |
| 819 | spoken. | 说 |
| 820 | Number of words over the last say 15 years. | 15年来的字数 |
| 821 | The same thing is not true for me. | 同样的事情对我来说并不是真的。 |
| 822 | The podcasts | 播客们 |
| 823 | are in the room. | 在房间里。 |
| 824 | Well, maybe you are like bucking the trend, but imagine what it would be like | 好吧,也许你喜欢打击趋势, 但想象它会是什么样子 |
| 825 | without your data. | 没有你的数据。 |
| 826 | You know what it's like when Bill Gates walks into a stadium and everybody | 你知道比尔·盖茨走进体育场 和大家的感受是什么 |
| 827 | on average becomes a billionaire. | 平均成为亿万富翁。 |
| 828 | I walk, I walk into the room and everyone on average becomes a | 我走,我走进房间, 每个人平均成为一个 |
| 829 | podcaster. | 脚踏车 |
| 830 | Andrew Yang in the American Time Use Survey came up with four stats that I thought | "美国时间使用调查"的安德鲁·杨提出了四个统计,我想 |
| 831 | were fascinating. | 令人着迷 |
| 832 | Between 2003 and 2024, the amount of time that Americans spent attending or | 从2003年到2024年,美国人花在参加或 |
| 833 | hosting a social event declined by 50%. | 举办社会活动减少了50%。 |
| 834 | Among young people aged 15 to 24, they spent 70% less | 在15至24岁的年轻人中,他们的支出减少了70%。 |
| 835 | time attending or hosting parties in 2024 than in 2023. | 2024年参加或主办聚会的时间比2023年多。 |
| 836 | Men who watch television now spend seven | 现在看电视的人花七块钱 |
| 837 | hours doing so for every hour they spend hanging out with another person outside of the house. | 他们每时每刻都在屋外和别人玩 |
| 838 | And number four, this was the most insane. | 第四,这是最疯狂的。 |
| 839 | The average female pet owner spends more time with | 女宠物主人花更多的时间 |
| 840 | her pet than all humans put together. | 她的宠物比人类的宠物要多 |
| 841 | I think I knew about the first three of those stats. | 我想我知道前三个数据。 |
| 842 | I didn't | 我没有 |
| 843 | know. | 知道吗? |
| 844 | This is the picture of modern American life. | 这是美国现代生活的照片。 |
| 845 | And one reason I wrote a book on the situation is | 我写了一本关于这种情况的书 原因之一是 |
| 846 | that I don't think the default settings of the modern world are good. | 我不认为现代世界的默认设置是好的。 |
| 847 | I really don't. | 我真的没有。 |
| 848 | I think | 我觉得 |
| 849 | this trend toward isolation, towards being on your phone all the time, being in some little | 这种与世隔绝的倾向 总是在你的电话里 |
| 850 | segregated part of the world where you only interact with people who are basically agreeing | 世界上只有你和基本同意的人互动的地方 |
| 851 | with you, I don't think it's good. | 跟你在一起,我觉得不好 |
| 852 | And so if you're going to change your life and if you believe the | 所以如果你要改变你的生活 如果你相信 |
| 853 | science that says to change yourself, you change your situation, the imperative is even more urgent | 科学说改变自己,改变你的处境, 当务之急是更加迫切 |
| 854 | is what I'm saying. | 我就是这个意思 |
| 855 | Isn't it interesting that you've had to sneak this pro-social thing that has | 你不得不偷偷摸摸的 亲社会的东西 |
| 856 | happened for the entirety of human history and is the single best intervention according to the | 发生在人类历史中,是人类历史上 唯一最好的干预 |
| 857 | Harvard Longevity Study people in making you live longer? | 哈佛大学长寿学院 研究别人让你活得更久? |
| 858 | Relationships. | 关系 |
| 859 | It'll improve your | 它会改善你 |
| 860 | performance. | 表现。 |
| 861 | So maybe you should do it. | 所以也许你应该这样做。 |
| 862 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 863 | We have to sneak it into the | 我们必须偷偷进入 |
| 864 | You know, I am not a great commentator on how my work fits into the rest of the world, | 你知道,我不是一个伟大的评论家 关于我的工作如何适合 世界其他地区, |
| 865 | partly because, and if you knew me well, you would really believe me. | 部分原因是 如果你了解我 你会相信我 |
| 866 | I know what I know and | 我知道什么我知道,而且... ... ...... |
| 867 | I really don't know most things. | 我真的不知道大多数事情。 |
| 868 | Oh my God, like current events, like basic world history. | 哦,我的上帝,像时事, 像基本的世界历史。 |
| 869 | So I | 所以说 |
| 870 | can't necessarily fit my work, but I am a studier. | 不一定适合我的工作, 但我是一个坚果。 |
| 871 | I am a student of human excellence. | 我是一个人类优秀的学生。 |
| 872 | And so you | 还有你 |
| 873 | could say like, oh, the only way that somebody is going to listen to you talk about relationships | 可以说,哦, 唯一的方式是 有人会听 你谈论的关系 |
| 874 | is because like they think it will help them achieve more in this meritocracy. | 因为他们认为这能帮助他们在这种精英管理中取得更大的成就。 |
| 875 | And you may | 你会 |
| 876 | be right, but I only know what I know. | 说对了 但我只知道我知道的 |
| 877 | And I am a psychologist who studies high achievers. | 我是一个心理学家 谁学习高成就者。 |
| 878 | And I | 还有我 |
| 879 | can say as a student of high achievers that their relationships, their mentors, which we haven't | 作为高成就者的学生 他们的关系,他们的导师,我们没有 |
| 880 | talked about too much, but their peers, like they are arguably more important than their physical | 谈论太多,但他们的同伴, 似乎他们比身体更重要 |
| 881 | environment. | 环境。 |
| 882 | But I don't want to discount the physical environment either. | 但我也不想低估物理环境 |
| 883 | Somewhere along the | 某处沿着 |
| 884 | way, low energy just gets accepted as a part of getting older. | 低能量只是被接受为变老的一部分 |
| 885 | Turns out there's a reason for | 原来是有原因的 |
| 886 | that. | 那个 |
| 887 | As we age our mitochondria, the parts of our cells that power us become weaker and make less | 随着我们的线粒体老化, 我们细胞中能让我们变弱和变少的部分 |
| 888 | energy, which is why I'm such a huge fan of timeline. | 能量,这就是为什么我 如此巨大的时间线迷。 |
| 889 | They've developed this that helps to | 他们开发了这个帮助 |
| 890 | clear out your damaged mitochondria so your cells can actually renew themselves. | 清除你受损的线粒体 这样你的细胞就可以自我更新了 |
| 891 | Timeline is backed | 时间线已备份 |
| 892 | by over a decade of research and has more than 50 patents and is the number one recommended | 超过10年的研究,拥有50多项专利,是推荐的第一 |
| 893 | mitochondrial supplement on the planet. | 地球上的线粒体补充剂 |
| 894 | This isn't just theory. | 这不仅仅是理论。 |
| 895 | In clinical trials, people saw | 在临床试验中,人们看到 |
| 896 | mitochondrial renewal increased by more than 40% in just 16 weeks, along with improvements in their | 线粒体更新在短短16周内增加了40%以上,同时改进了 |
| 897 | overall energy. | 总体能量。 |
| 898 | I've been using it for over two years since my doctor recommended it to me way | 自从我医生推荐给我以来 我用了两年多 |
| 899 | before I partnered with timeline and eat your heart out Martin Shkreli because they just dropped the | 之前,我与时间 合作,吃你的心脏 马丁·什克里利 因为他们刚刚放弃了 |
| 900 | price and it now starts at $99. | 价格,现在开始为99美元。 |
| 901 | Best of all, there is a 30-day money back guarantee plus free shipping | 最好,还有30天的退货担保 加上免费运输 |
| 902 | in the US plus they ship internationally and right now you can get that $99 price with an additional | 在美国,加上他们在国际上发货 现在,你可以得到99美元的价格 加上一个额外的 |
| 903 | 20% off by going to the link in the description below or heading to timeline.com slash modern | 通过到下面描述中的链接或到时间线.com slash modern 关闭20% |
| 904 | wisdom using the code modern wisdom at checkout. | 智慧使用代码 现代智慧在检查。 |
| 905 | That's timeline.com slash modern wisdom and modern | 这是时间线.com 斜线现代智慧和现代 |
| 906 | wisdom at checkout. | 明智的检查。 |
| 907 | Okay, hit me up about mentors. | 好吧,打给我关于导师。 |
| 908 | What did you learn about mentors? | 你从导师那里学到了什么? |
| 909 | So you can, you know, dig up stats on like, you know, your likelihood of becoming, | 所以你可以,你知道,挖 数据一样,你知道, 你成为, |
| 910 | for example, an award-winning scientist is like two times to four times larger if you're mentored | 例如,一个获奖的科学家... ... ...... |
| 911 | by an award-winning scientist. | 一个获奖的科学家 |
| 912 | The kind of, oh, a mentor makes a difference. | 那种,哦,一个导师 是有区别的。 |
| 913 | I don't really know | 我其实不知道 |
| 914 | that there are a lot of people who need convincing. | 很多人需要说服 |
| 915 | Like how many people would say, | 就像多少人会说, |
| 916 | you know, it doesn't matter if like Oprah Winfrey is going to mentor you as you try to make your way | 你知道,这不重要,如果像奥普拉・温弗雷 要指导你 当你试图让你的方式 |
| 917 | in media or like it doesn't matter whether you have an editor or if you're a writer. | 在媒体上,或者喜欢它并不重要 你是否有编辑,或者你是作家。 |
| 918 | Like | 喜欢 |
| 919 | I think the intuition that mentors matter is common. | 我认为导师的直觉是常见的。 |
| 920 | What is rare, I think, is the idea that | 难得的是,我想,这个想法 |
| 921 | you can proactively be a mentor magnet. | 你可以主动成为导师磁铁。 |
| 922 | You can, you can attract mentors and I will tell you that | 你可以,你可以吸引导师 我会告诉你 |
| 923 | not every high achiever, but most that I have studied is a mentor magnet. | 并不是每个高成就者, 但我所研究的大多数是导师磁铁。 |
| 924 | And what am I talking | 我在说什么? |
| 925 | about? | 关于? |
| 926 | The sort of person who other high-achieving people who are farther down the path want to | 那种人,其他高成就的人 谁走得更远 |
| 927 | mentor. | 老师 |
| 928 | And you know, not everyone is equally mentorable. | 你知道,不是每个人都是平等的导师。 |
| 929 | So what are these people like? | 这些人是什么样的人? |
| 930 | Like, let me give you a very specific example. | 让我举一个非常具体的例子。 |
| 931 | I think, I think the situation is so abstract, | 我觉得情况很抽象 |
| 932 | honestly, that like, you know, you don't know what to do with it because it's like everything. | 老实说,就像,你知道, 你不知道该怎么处理它,因为它就像一切。 |
| 933 | So let me be concrete. | 所以,让我具体一点。 |
| 934 | I got an email in my inbox on May 13th, 2013 from Cody Coleman. | 我在2013年5月13日的收件箱里收到Cody Coleman的邮件 |
| 935 | I wrote about | 我写过 |
| 936 | him in grit. | 他的格莱特。 |
| 937 | I also wrote about him in situated and he's the only person I put in both books. | 我还在地盘上写了他 他是我唯一在两本书里写的人 |
| 938 | I wrote about him in grit. | 我用格莱特写了他 |
| 939 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 940 | Because in that early email in 2013, he introduced himself as | 因为在2013年的早期邮件中 他自我介绍为 |
| 941 | somebody whose life could only be explained through passion and perseverance. | 他的生活只能通过激情和毅力来解释 |
| 942 | He was born | 他诞生了 |
| 943 | to a mother who was serving time in jail. | 给在狱中服刑的母亲 |
| 944 | So he was literally born in a prison outside of Trenton, | 他出生在特伦顿以外的监狱里 |
| 945 | New Jersey. | 新泽西州。 |
| 946 | And from those inauspicious beginnings, you know, a childhood, just sheer chaos, | 从那些不祥的开始, 你知道,一个童年, 只是纯粹的混乱, |
| 947 | right? | 对吧? |
| 948 | Like the police were being called like, you know, every other week because of, you know, | 就像警察被叫来一样,你知道,每隔一个星期 因为,你知道, |
| 949 | domestic disturbances. | 国内动乱。 |
| 950 | There was a menagerie of cats and dogs. | 曾经有猫和狗的美食。 |
| 951 | He has severe asthma. | 他有严重的哮喘。 |
| 952 | He could | 他能够 |
| 953 | hardly breathe. | 几乎没有呼吸。 |
| 954 | His grandmother was taking care of him, but she was basically losing her mind. | 他的祖母在照顾他,但她基本上失去了理智. |
| 955 | So, you know, these are not the circumstances that you would think. | 所以,你知道,这些不是你会想到的情况。 |
| 956 | And then one day he'll | 然后有一天他会 |
| 957 | graduate from MIT. | 毕业于麻省理工学院 |
| 958 | Prototypical excellence. | 原型的卓越。 |
| 959 | I mean, this is the thing. | 我的意思是,这是事情。 |
| 960 | He had this, this remarkable escape from poverty. | 他有这个, 这个显著的脱贫。 |
| 961 | So when he | 所以当他 |
| 962 | emailed me, he said, I watched your Ted talk and I think, I think you have explained a lot about | 他给我发了邮件,他说,我看你的泰德谈话 我想你已经解释了很多 |
| 963 | my life and I would like to talk to you. | 我和我想和你谈谈 |
| 964 | Right. | 对 |
| 965 | So you basically was asking me for a curiosity | 所以你基本上问我的好奇心 |
| 966 | conversation. | 谈话。 |
| 967 | I think that's, that's the term that is used for like, I'd like to learn something | 我想那是用来形容的 我想学点什么 |
| 968 | from you. | 从你。 |
| 969 | Right. | 对 |
| 970 | And again, not a term, well, not again, it's a term that I want to just hasten to | 再说一遍,不是一个术语,嗯,不是再次, 这是一个术语,我只想快点 |
| 971 | say, like, I didn't come up with it, but I think it's a perfect description. | 说,像,我没有想到它, 但我认为这是一个完美的描述。 |
| 972 | So in that email, | 所以在邮件里 |
| 973 | he expresses curiosity. | 他表达好奇心。 |
| 974 | He also expresses preparation because he wasn't writing me | 他也有准备,因为他没有写信给我 |
| 975 | something that like took two seconds. | 类似的东西 花了两秒钟。 |
| 976 | Like he had watched what I had, he had read a little bit of | 就像他看我的作品一样 他读了些 |
| 977 | what I had written. | 我所写的。 |
| 978 | And then he signed off with something that I think is signature to mentor | 然后他签了个签名给导师 |
| 979 | magnets. | 磁铁。 |
| 980 | He said, if there's anything that I can do that might be helpful in any way, like I would | 他说,如果有什么我可以做的 可能会有帮助的任何方式, 像我会 |
| 981 | love to do that. | 爱这样做。 |
| 982 | Right. | 对 |
| 983 | And by the way, he was something like 20 or 21 years old when he wrote | 顺便说一句 他写作的时候大概20到21岁 |
| 984 | this. | 这个 |
| 985 | It's not Shakespeare. | 这不是莎士比亚。 |
| 986 | It was just sincere. | 这只是真诚的。 |
| 987 | And he signed his name. | 他签了名 |
| 988 | And you know what? | 你知道吗? |
| 989 | Of all | 总计 |
| 990 | the emails in my inbox, I replied to that one. | 收件箱里的邮件 我回复了那个 |
| 991 | So who is this person who's prepared, who has | 那么,谁是这个人 谁准备好了,谁已经 |
| 992 | something to say, who wants a few minutes of my time, who is offering to be helpful. | 说来话长,谁想占用我几分钟的时间,谁愿意帮忙。 |
| 993 | So to be a | 所以成为一个 |
| 994 | mentor magnet is to be the sort of person where, you know, the universe does reach out to you | 磁铁导师是那种人 在那里,你知道, 宇宙确实接触你 |
| 995 | because you're mentorable. | 因为你是导师。 |
| 996 | What happens next? | 接下来会发生什么? |
| 997 | So I meet Cody. | 我认识了科迪 |
| 998 | I find out about a story. | 我发现了一个故事。 |
| 999 | I write | 我写 |
| 1000 | about it in grit. | 用格莱特语说 |
| 1001 | By the way, he continues to live. | 顺便说一句,他继续活着。 |
| 1002 | So I can tell you what happened to him. | 所以我可以告诉你他发生了什么事。 |
| 1003 | After he reached MIT and he graduated with a 4.9 out of 5, he went to Google. | 到达麻省理工学院后,他以4.9分5分的成绩毕业,他进入谷歌. |
| 1004 | From there, | 从那里 |
| 1005 | he went to Stanford. | 他去了斯坦福大学。 |
| 1006 | He got his PhD at Stanford in computer science. | 他获得了斯坦福计算机科学博士学位. |
| 1007 | He was the third black | 他是第三个黑人 |
| 1008 | recipient of a PhD in computer science in the university's history. | 获得大学历史上计算机科学博士学位。 |
| 1009 | And now he's the CEO of an | 而现在他是一个 |
| 1010 | AI startup that according to Forbes magazine, you know, maybe valued at a billion dollars, | AI启动,根据"福布斯"杂志, 你知道,也许价值10亿美元, |
| 1011 | like at some point in the future. | 就像未来某个时候 |
| 1012 | So why does he play a role in this second book? | 那他为什么在这第二本书里扮演角色? |
| 1013 | He gave a TED talk himself, it turns out, years after I gave mine. | 他亲自讲了TED演讲, 结果发现,在我给我的很多年后。 |
| 1014 | And he gave it in Palo Alto | 他在帕洛阿尔托献了 |
| 1015 | to a Stanford audience. | 给斯坦福的观众 |
| 1016 | And because it was a Stanford audience, he had no problem putting | 因为是斯坦福的观众,他没有问题 |
| 1017 | 在他身后的PowerPoint上显示图表 | |
| 1018 | So he has a graph up and there's a gray line that's | 因此,他有一个图表 和有灰色线 |
| 1019 | gently sloping upward. | 轻轻地往上走 |
| 1020 | And he says, that's what most people think. | 他说,这是大多数人的想法。 |
| 1021 | You know, you meet me here and | 你知道,你在这里遇见我 |
| 1022 | you think like, you know, he did better and better. | 你觉得,你知道, 他做的更好,更好。 |
| 1023 | He went to MIT and so forth. | 曾就读于麻省理工等. |
| 1024 | Like, | 喜欢, |
| 1025 | that's not my life. | 这不是我的生活。 |
| 1026 | This is my life. | 这是我的生活。 |
| 1027 | And there's a red exponential curve, right? | 有一个红色的指数曲线,对不对? |
| 1028 | Talk about the Matthew effect. | 谈马修效应. |
| 1029 | When there is a flywheel, when good begets better and better | 当有飞轮的时候,当好东西越来越好 |
| 1030 | begets best, you actually get exponential growth. | 最好的,你实际上得到指数增长。 |
| 1031 | This is what he said. | 这就是他说的。 |
| 1032 | I think in my life in five | 我想在我的生命 在五 |
| 1033 | year chapters, in each chapter, my situation was better than the last. | 一年的章节,每一章, 我的情况比上次更好。 |
| 1034 | And you can only explain | 你只能解释 |
| 1035 | my exponential improvement, not linear, but exponential, if you really understand | 我的指数进步,不是线性的,而是指数性的,如果你真的明白 |
| 1036 | my situations and how each one, right? | 我的情况和每个人的情况,对不对? |
| 1037 | So from his high school to MIT, from MIT to Google, | 所以从他的高中到麻省理工学院 从麻省理工学院到谷歌 |
| 1038 | from Google to Stanford, now to like San Jose, Silicon Valley, that the opportunities multiplied | 从谷歌到斯坦福, 现在喜欢圣何塞,硅谷, 机会倍增 |
| 1039 | and the support multiplied. | 和加倍的支持。 |
| 1040 | So I think you can be a mentor magnet. | 所以,我认为你可以成为一个导师磁铁。 |
| 1041 | What did Cody not do? | 科迪没有做什么? |
| 1042 | He | |
| 1043 | didn't email me and ask me to be his mentor. | 没有给我发邮件 叫我做他的导师 |
| 1044 | Mentor magnets do not email people and say, | 导师磁铁不发电子邮件给人说, |
| 1045 | hi, Chris, could you be my mentor? | 嗨,克里斯,你能当我的导师吗? |
| 1046 | Hello. | 哈罗 |
| 1047 | You know, like they don't do that. | 你知道,就像他们不这样做。 |
| 1048 | They ask for | 他们要求 |
| 1049 | a short conversation. | 一个简短的对话。 |
| 1050 | They offer to be helpful. | 他们愿意提供帮助。 |
| 1051 | They express gratitude. | 他们表示感谢。 |
| 1052 | And very often that will | 经常这样 |
| 1053 | lead to another conversation. | 导致另一个谈话。 |
| 1054 | What they also do, by the way, is work with you on something. | 顺便说一句,他们也做的是 与你合作的东西。 |
| 1055 | So mentor | 所以导师 |
| 1056 | magnets have a habit of asking whether they can contribute to a project that the mentor is already | 磁铁的习惯是问它们是否能够为导师已经是的项目做出贡献 |
| 1057 | working on. | 继续工作 |
| 1058 | When Cody reiterated his offer to help, I initially thought no. | 当科迪重申他愿意帮忙时,我起初认为不行。 |
| 1059 | And then I realized I had | 然后我意识到我有 |
| 1060 | a project that was ongoing where I was trying to teach little kids to be gritty. | 有个项目正在进行中 我试着教小孩子怎么变小 |
| 1061 | And I thought, | 我觉得, |
| 1062 | oh, this is perfect. | 哦,这是完美的。 |
| 1063 | I'll have Cody Coleman record a video about how from very humble beginnings, | 我会让科迪·科尔曼录下一段视频 从非常谦卑的开始 |
| 1064 | he got to where he got through passion and perseverance. | 他通过激情和毅力 到达了自己的位置 |
| 1065 | So we worked on that project | 所以我们在这个项目上工作 |
| 1066 | for about three months, which is about, you know, that's what I call the mentors for | 大约三个月,这就是,你知道, 这就是我叫导师 |
| 1067 | a season. | 一个季节。 |
| 1068 | Like you go from a mentor for a reason, could I have a short conversation, | 就像你从导师那里走是有原因的, 我可以有一个简短的对话, |
| 1069 | to a mentor for a season? | 给导师一个季节? |
| 1070 | He did that. | 他这样做。 |
| 1071 | And then he continued to just be like a grateful, curious, | 然后,他继续 只是一个感激,好奇, |
| 1072 | wonderful person. | 好样的 |
| 1073 | When I read his PhD dissertation, which was on AI, and I didn't understand the math, | 当我读到他的博士论文, 这是在AI, 我不懂数学, |
| 1074 | so I pretty much skipped the acknowledgments. | 所以我几乎跳过了承认。 |
| 1075 | I was like, oh, I know I'm not going to understand | 我当时想,哦,我知道我不明白 |
| 1076 | this. | 这个 |
| 1077 | His acknowledgments are three single spaced pages. | 他的承认是三个单行本 |
| 1078 | He thanks by full name over 200 people, | 他感谢全名 200多人, |
| 1079 | like, you know, dozens of teammates or fellow students. | 比如,你知道,几十个队友或同学。 |
| 1080 | Like there were 17 administrators | 好像有17个管理员 |
| 1081 | of the computer science department at Stanford that he thanks by full name. | 在斯坦福的计算机科学系 他感谢全名。 |
| 1082 | Cody Coleman is a paragon of grit. | 科迪·科尔曼是格莱特的典范 |
| 1083 | Cody Coleman is a mentor magnet. | 科迪·科尔曼是一个导师磁铁。 |
| 1084 | And Cody Coleman is a perfect | 科迪・科尔曼是完美的 |
| 1085 | example of like, yes, you need grit, but you also need to have the agency to navigate into better | 比如,是的,你需要grit, 但你也需要有代理 导航到更好的 |
| 1086 | and better situations. | 和更好的情况。 |
| 1087 | What's the relationship between grit and your new insight around situations | Grit和你对情况的新见解有什么关系? |
| 1088 | and burnout? | 和燃烧? |
| 1089 | So having experienced burnout, and I'll be honest, when I used to teach burnout, | 所以,经历了燃烧, 我会说实话, 当我过去教燃烧, |
| 1090 | because burnout, you know, burnout is a word that a psychologist named Christina Maslach coined. | 因为燃烧,你知道,燃烧是一个词 一个心理学家克里斯蒂娜・马斯拉克发明的。 |
| 1091 | She was studying burnout. | 她正在学习燃烧。 |
| 1092 | It has a very specific definition. | 它有一个非常具体的定义。 |
| 1093 | Depression is, you know, you're | 忧郁是,你知道,你是 |
| 1094 | depressed, you know, it's pervasive. | 郁闷,你知道,这是普遍的。 |
| 1095 | Burnout is specifically about work, right? | 烧焦是特别关于工作,对不对? |
| 1096 | So when you | 所以当你 |
| 1097 | experience this trifecta of exhaustion, and also like a weird sort of dissociation or like I'm not | 经历三难的疲劳, 也像一种怪异的离散 或像我不是 |
| 1098 | really present, and finally, like kind of a helplessness, right? | 真正呈现,最后, 像一种无助,对不对? |
| 1099 | This is the trifecta of | 这是三分之一 |
| 1100 | burnout. | 燃烧。 |
| 1101 | That's what burnout is. | 这就是烧焦。 |
| 1102 | It's an emotional state characterized by I'm exhausted. | 这是一个情感状态的特征 我累坏了。 |
| 1103 | I feel | 我感觉 |
| 1104 | strangely not connected to my work anymore. | 奇怪地,与我的工作没有联系了。 |
| 1105 | And also nothing I do is working and I have no agency, | 也没什么我的工作 没有代理, |
| 1106 | right? | 对吧? |
| 1107 | So that's what burnout is. | 所以这就是燃烧。 |
| 1108 | I would stand up in front of PowerPoint slides and I would tell | 我会站在PowerPoint幻灯片前 告诉大家 |
| 1109 | my MBA students, for example, and my undergraduates about burnout and the psychology of burnout and | 举例来说 我的MBA学生 我的本科生们讲着烧伤心理 |
| 1110 | Christina Maslach's research and, you know, what we know about burnout. | 克里斯蒂娜·马斯拉克的研究 以及我们所了解的烧伤情况 |
| 1111 | It was completely abstract | 这是完全抽象的 |
| 1112 | to me. | 对我来说。 |
| 1113 | I could have been talking about Mars. | 我本来可以谈论火星的 |
| 1114 | I'm like, you know, Mars is a planet, right? | 我很喜欢,你知道, 火星是一个星球,对不对? |
| 1115 | And then I experienced burnout in my own life. | 然后我经历了自己的生活。 |
| 1116 | I mean, if I'm completely honest, | 我的意思是,如果我是完全诚实的, |
| 1117 | I experienced burnout while I was writing this book. | 我在写这本书的时候 经历了一团糟 |
| 1118 | And why, right? | 为什么,对不对? |
| 1119 | Well, first, what, right? | 首先,什么,对不对? |
| 1120 | So like, I was experiencing exhaustion, this weird sort of like, I'm sort of doing this, | 所以,就像,我正在经历疲劳, 这种奇怪的类型 像,我做这种, |
| 1121 | and I'm doing it seven days a week, and I'm doing it from before dawn to after midnight. | 我一周做七天 从黎明到午夜后 |
| 1122 | But it's | 不过 |
| 1123 | also kind of like the opposite of the flow state. | 和流体状态相反 |
| 1124 | I'm just like, I'm like weirdly not in the moment, | 我只是喜欢,我像怪异 不是在此刻, |
| 1125 | right? | 对吧? |
| 1126 | And a real feeling of sort of like helplessness, like I work harder and harder, | 和真正的感觉 有点像无助, 像我工作更努力, |
| 1127 | nothing's happening. | 什么都没有发生。 |
| 1128 | So I was experiencing this emotional state of burnout. | 所以我正经历这种 情绪的燃烧状态。 |
| 1129 | What I think was | 我认为 |
| 1130 | happening is what we were talking about at the very beginning of this conversation. | 事情的发生正是我们在谈话开始时所谈论的。 |
| 1131 | It wasn't going well. | 情况不妙 |
| 1132 | I just tried harder. | 我只是更努力一点 |
| 1133 | And it's still like, I just kept digging the | 我仍然喜欢,我只是不停地挖掘 |
| 1134 | hole deeper. | 更深一点 |
| 1135 | And I think the danger of only thinking that grit is your superpower, | 我认为只有认为Grit是你的超能力才是危险 |
| 1136 | and also being ashamed or negligent of, you know, the change in the situation that would make things | 也感到羞耻或疏忽,你知道, 改变情况 使事物 |
| 1137 | better. | 好多了,你还好吧? |
| 1138 | Like, I think what happened was I should have asked for help. | 我觉得我应该请求帮助 |
| 1139 | And I'll tell you, I asked | 我告诉你,我问 |
| 1140 | for it too late. | 为时已晚。 |
| 1141 | I also did, you said, like, let's not talk about the physical situations, | 我也有说过,你说过 我们不要谈论身体状况 |
| 1142 | kind of obvious. | 有点明显 |
| 1143 | Here's something that wasn't obvious. | 这里有些事情并不明显 |
| 1144 | I was working at home seven days a week | 我一周七天在家工作 一天七天 |
| 1145 | in my pajamas. | 穿着睡衣 |
| 1146 | Like, I literally think- You voluntarily gone back into COVID. | 喜欢,我字面上认为... 你自愿回到了COVID。 |
| 1147 | It was exactly. | 没错 |
| 1148 | It was actually an extension of the pandemic lifestyle. | 这实际上是大流行生活方式的延伸。 |
| 1149 | Everybody else went back | 每个人都回去了 |
| 1150 | to like civilization. | 喜欢文明。 |
| 1151 | I decided to stay, you know, I thought it would be better for concentration. | 我决定留下来,你知道的, 我觉得这样对集中精神更好。 |
| 1152 | Self-imposed misery. | 自施苦乐. |
| 1153 | It was awful because I was like socially, you know, I was living in solitary confinement by | 这太可怕了,因为我像社会, 你知道,我生活在单独监禁 由 |
| 1154 | choice. | 选择。 |
| 1155 | But I didn't ask for help early enough. | 但我没有很早就要求帮助 |
| 1156 | I didn't ask for help often enough. | 我没有经常要求帮助 |
| 1157 | I didn't | 我没有 |
| 1158 | put myself in the company of other people. | 让自己和别人在一起 |
| 1159 | What would the help have looked like? | 帮助会是什么样子? |
| 1160 | Well, I had a person that I met three years into writing this. | 嗯,我有一个人 我遇见三年写这个。 |
| 1161 | By the way, this book took | 顺便说一句,这本书 |
| 1162 | five years to write, right? | 写了五年,对吧? |
| 1163 | Congratulations on being sane. | 恭喜你理智点 |
| 1164 | I, you know, I may live a shorter life because of it, but it took five years to write. | 我,你知道,我可能 生活较短 因为它,但花了五年 写。 |
| 1165 | But of | 不过 |
| 1166 | course, you know, the research took longer, but the hard part for me was the writing. | 当然,你知道, 研究花了更长的时间, 但对我来说困难的部分是写作。 |
| 1167 | Three years into it, when things are going terribly, right? | 三年过去了,当事情变得很糟糕,对不对? |
| 1168 | I'm not sleeping. | 我没有睡觉。 |
| 1169 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 1170 | the stress levels were like, I had cortisol just like coursing through my body. | 压力水平就像,我有皮质溶液 就像凝固在我的身体。 |
| 1171 | So I would go to | 所以我会去 |
| 1172 | sleep. | 睡觉。 |
| 1173 | It came to the point where I would go to sleep at 10 30 and my body's fight or flight | 到了我10点30分睡觉的时候 我的身体会打架或逃跑 |
| 1174 | response would wake me up at 11 30. | 反应会让我11点30分醒来 |
| 1175 | And then I would just be awake all night and then start | 然后我整晚都醒着 然后开始 |
| 1176 | the next day exhausted, but also trying to work harder. | 第二天就筋疲力尽了 但也努力工作 |
| 1177 | Right. | 对 |
| 1178 | So I've been there. | 所以我去过那里。 |
| 1179 | Have you been | 你去过 |
| 1180 | there? | 那边? |
| 1181 | Have you experienced burnout by the way? | 顺便说一句,你经历过烧伤吗? |
| 1182 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1183 | Well, if I finished the story, you tell me | 好吧,如果我完成了这个故事,你告诉我 |
| 1184 | | |
| 1185 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 1186 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1187 | You get your rock bottom out and I'll get mine. | 你滚蛋,我滚蛋 |
| 1188 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 1189 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1190 | So I'm telling | 所以我说 |
| 1191 | my husband, I'm retiring. | 我丈夫,我要退休了 |
| 1192 | I literally was fantasizing about being a pastry chef. | 我在幻想做个糕点厨师 |
| 1193 | I don't | 我没有 |
| 1194 | even eat pastry. | 甚至吃糕点。 |
| 1195 | I'm like, why would I be a pastry chef? | 我为什么要当糕点厨师? |
| 1196 | I mean, there are all these like | 我的意思是,有所有这些像 |
| 1197 | escapist fantasies. | 爱思潮幻. |
| 1198 | Um, you know, I had a friend named Julie who was like, you know, you seem a | 嗯,你知道,我有一个朋友叫朱莉 谁喜欢,你知道, 你看起来是一个 |
| 1199 | little bit stressed. | 有点紧张 |
| 1200 | I barked at it. | 我向它吠过。 |
| 1201 | She was like, do you want to go skiing? | 她想,你想去滑雪吗? |
| 1202 | I was like, | 我当时想, |
| 1203 | you can't go skiing. | 你不能去滑雪。 |
| 1204 | She's like, uh, you know, do you want to, do you want to go for a walk? | 她就像,呃,你知道, 你想,你想去散步吗? |
| 1205 | Like it came down to, she was just sort of negotiating and like, she was like, can I take | 就像它下来,她只是 那种谈判,喜欢,她喜欢, 像,我可以采取 |
| 1206 | you for a walk for an hour? | 你散步一个小时? |
| 1207 | No, I can't take a walk for an hour. | 不,我不能走一个小时。 |
| 1208 | This is a sign of burnout, | 这是一个燃烧的迹象, |
| 1209 | like, no, I can't take a walk for an hour because I need that hour to work because this is going so | 喜欢,不,我不能走一个小时 因为我需要那个小时工作,因为这是去 |
| 1210 | poorly. | 差劲 |
| 1211 | I met somebody who I asked for help. | 我遇到了一个我要求帮助的人 |
| 1212 | I got sort of set up. | 我得到了某种设置。 |
| 1213 | His, um, his name is Rick | 他的,嗯,他的名字是瑞克(Rick) |
| 1214 | Cott and he had just retired from being an editor and he had time and he had patience and he had, | 考特和他刚刚从编辑退休 他有时间,有耐心,他有, |
| 1215 | for some reason, like from the moment we met, he had some affection for me. | 因为某种原因,比如从我们见面的那一刻起, 他对我有些感情。 |
| 1216 | Like he was just sort | 就像他只是有点 |
| 1217 | of, so I would have these calls with him because he lived in New York. | 我和他打这些电话 因为他住在纽约 |
| 1218 | I lived in Philadelphia | 我住在费城 |
| 1219 | and he would ask me how I was doing. | 他会问我最近怎么样 |
| 1220 | And with increasing honesty, I told him. | 我和他说实话 |
| 1221 | And then at each subsequent meeting, like, let's talk the next hour, you know, when you have an | 然后,在以后的每次会议, 像,让我们谈谈 接下来的一小时,你知道,当你有一个 |
| 1222 | editor, you're supposed to produce for them, right? | 编辑,你应该为他们制作,对不对? |
| 1223 | And what you're supposed to talk about | 还有你应该谈论的 |
| 1224 | is the writing and then what you need to do next. | 是写,然后你需要做什么。 |
| 1225 | And he Saturday would show up with no pages. | 而且他星期六会出现 没有页面。 |
| 1226 | And | 还有 |
| 1227 | I would say to him, like, I'm wasting your time. | 我会对他说 我在浪费你的时间 |
| 1228 | Like I, I'm a mess. | 像我一样,我一团糟。 |
| 1229 | I'm a dumpster fire and, um, | 我是垃圾箱火灾,嗯, |
| 1230 | and you don't even know me. | 你甚至不认识我 |
| 1231 | I did tell him, I was like, I'm, I'm, I'm actually usually a competent, | 我告诉他,我很喜欢, 我,我,我,实际上,我是一个 通常的胜任, |
| 1232 | smart person, but not right now. | 聪明人,但不是现在 |
| 1233 | Um, and he kept meeting with me and there came a point where he | 嗯,他一直和我见面 有一点他 |
| 1234 | said, you know, I think the problem with this book is not what you're saying, but the structure of | 说,你知道,我觉得这本书的问题 不是你在说什么,而是结构 |
| 1235 | it. | 这个 |
| 1236 | And then he went off and he reworked the structure. | 然后他走了出去,他重修了结构. |
| 1237 | He sent it to me and I immediately | 他马上寄给我和我 |
| 1238 | saw that it was wrong. | 发现这是错的。 |
| 1239 | I said, that's not the structure. | 我说,这不是结构。 |
| 1240 | He said, how? | 他说,如何? |
| 1241 | And then I basically | 然后,我基本上 |
| 1242 | wrote him an email that was long enough and detailed enough where I got it right. | 给他写了一封邮件 足够长 足够详细 在哪里我得到了它的权利。 |
| 1243 | And then | 礛 |
| 1244 | that changed everything. | 这改变了一切。 |
| 1245 | And then I, and then I did just have to rearrange things because I | 然后我,然后我不得不 重新整理的东西 因为我 |
| 1246 | already had the science and I already knew. | 我已经掌握了科学 我已经知道了 |
| 1247 | So that was my rock bottom. | 那是我最爱的 |
| 1248 | And that was my belated | 那是我迟到的 |
| 1249 | cry for help. | 呼求救护. |
| 1250 | If I had asked earlier, if I had, if I had his support earlier or other support, | 如果我早点问,如果我早点问, 如果我早点得到他的支持或其他支持, |
| 1251 | I really think I would have suffered less. | 我真的觉得我会少受点苦 |
| 1252 | Maybe burnout wouldn't have happened at all. | 也许烧焦不会发生。 |
| 1253 | Um, | 额... |
| 1254 | but that's why burnout to me is a personal thing now. | 但这就是为什么现在我被烧焦 是一个私人的事情。 |
| 1255 | Like I don't just teach it in the abstract. | 就像我不只是在抽象中教它。 |
| 1256 | And I think people who are really gritty and already try hard and you're right, maybe they're | 我认为,那些真正令人毛骨悚然的人 已经尽力了,你是对的,也许他们 |
| 1257 | in the minority. | 在少数。 |
| 1258 | I don't know, but I think it's us. | 我不知道,但我觉得是我们 |
| 1259 | It's us who like digs the hole deeper and | 是我们喜欢挖洞更深 |
| 1260 | doesn't ask for somebody to throw you a rope while you're on a roll. | 不要求有人给你扔绳子 当你在滚。 |
| 1261 | Let's say that there is | 假设有 |
| 1262 | someone who is burnout or burnout adjacent. | 被烧焦或烧焦的邻居。 |
| 1263 | Uh, what does the science say and, or your personal | 呃,科学怎么说,或者你的个人 |
| 1264 | experience about recovering from burnout? | 关于从燃烧中恢复的经验? |
| 1265 | So Christina Maslach is exactly the person to | 所以克里斯蒂娜·马斯拉克就是 |
| 1266 | follow. | 跟着 |
| 1267 | And by the way, over the arc of her long career, I read one for the last, | 顺便说一句,在她漫长事业的弧度上, 我读了最后一个, |
| 1268 | you know, academic, she's emeritus now, right? | 你知道,学术, 她现在的荣誉,对不对? |
| 1269 | Um, now retired from Berkeley. | 现在从伯克利退休了 |
| 1270 | And, and just on this note here, and then we'll talk about like, what's the prognosis, right? | 然后我们再谈 预后是什么 对吧? |
| 1271 | Like what's the prescription and what's the prognosis? | 譬如处方是甚么,预知是甚么? |
| 1272 | And then I do want your personal | 然后,我确实想要你的个人 |
| 1273 | story of burnout. | 关于燃烧的故事。 |
| 1274 | But she said in one of the last academic articles of her, um, career, | 但她在她最后的一篇学术文章中说 事业 |
| 1275 | while she was still active at Berkeley, like people always think that the problem with burnout | 她仍然活跃在伯克利, 就像人们总是认为 燃烧的问题 |
| 1276 | is the person and they try to fix the person. | 是人,他们试图修复人。 |
| 1277 | Maybe the manager tries to fix the person who's | 也许经理想修补那个 |
| 1278 | burned out. | 烧尽了 |
| 1279 | Like, what can I do? | 我该怎么办? |
| 1280 | You know, this person's burned out. | 这个人被烧焦了 |
| 1281 | I need to fix them. | 我需要修复它们。 |
| 1282 | She said, | 她说, |
| 1283 | it's almost always that you have to fix this situation. | 你几乎总是要解决这种情况 |
| 1284 | And I am quoting in like nearly | 我引用的几乎是 |
| 1285 | verbatim. | 逐字记录。 |
| 1286 | I'm not saying that because I wrote a book called Situated. | 我这么说不是因为我写了一本叫做Situated的书 |
| 1287 | So what's the prescription | 处方是什么? |
| 1288 | and what's the, um, what's the prognosis? | 什么是,嗯,什么是预后? |
| 1289 | The first thing that I think that Christina Maslach | 我认为第一件事是克里斯蒂娜·马斯拉克 |
| 1290 | would say is that when there is a mismatch between the person and their work situation, | 将会说,当一个人和他们的工作情况不匹配时, |
| 1291 | that can create burnout. | 它可以造成燃烧。 |
| 1292 | One of the ways that's mismatched is workload. | 一种不匹配的方法是工作量. |
| 1293 | Like you're doing too | 就像你也一样 |
| 1294 | much, right? | 很多,对不对? |
| 1295 | Like you're working 60 hours. | 就像你在工作60小时一样 |
| 1296 | You can only really handle 55 or she was like, | 你只能处理55或她喜欢, |
| 1297 | that's only one. | 只有一个 |
| 1298 | And then she names five others, by the way, like lack of autonomy, like | 顺便说一句,她给另外五个人起名, 就像没有自主权一样, |
| 1299 | misalignment of values. | 价值观的错位。 |
| 1300 | Um, you know, uh, a system that, you know, for you doesn't feel like it's a | 嗯,你知道,嗯,一个系统,你知道, 因为你不觉得这是一个 |
| 1301 | fair system. | 公平制度。 |
| 1302 | Like there are many ways that your work situation can be a mismatch and overload | 就像有很多方法,你的工作状况 可能是不匹配和超载 |
| 1303 | of work hours is only one and maybe not even the most common. | 工作时间只有一个,也许甚至不是最常见的。 |
| 1304 | So the first thing about the diagnosis | 所以,第一件事 关于诊断 |
| 1305 | before you get to the prognosis and the prescription is you should try to figure out what the mismatch | 在你到达预后和处方之前,你应该尝试 找出什么不匹配 |
| 1306 | is. | 没错 |
| 1307 | And I will direct you to her work, not mine. | 我会指导你从事她的工作 而不是我的 |
| 1308 | Then what is the prescription and what's the | 那处方是什么 是什么 |
| 1309 | prognosis? | 预后? |
| 1310 | The prescription is actually to make situational changes. | 处方实际上是为了改变情况。 |
| 1311 | And if you're a leader, | 如果你是一个领导者, |
| 1312 | you can try to change the situation for others. | 您可以尝试改变他人的处境。 |
| 1313 | And if you're an employee, if you're not in charge, | 如果你是员工,如果你不负责, |
| 1314 | I do think you have to look at what's wrong and in one way or another, and sometimes it does | 我确实认为你必须看什么是错的 以一种或另一种方式, 有时它确实 |
| 1315 | include leaving the position, but not always like, okay, lack of autonomy, like how do I | 包括离开职位,但并不总是喜欢, 好吧,缺乏自主, 像如何我 |
| 1316 | find autonomy? | 找到自主权? |
| 1317 | I mean, I don't have like a one liner sort of like, oh, do this because it depends, | 我的意思是,我没有像一个衬垫 那种,哦,做到这一点,因为它取决于, |
| 1318 | but you have to fix the mismatch. | 但你必须修复不匹配。 |
| 1319 | I mean, that's the key insight that situation has to change. | 我的意思是,这是关键的观点 情况必须改变。 |
| 1320 | You cannot will yourself to not be burned out. | 你不能被烧死 |
| 1321 | You cannot think yourself out of burnout. | 你不能认为自己 走出燃烧。 |
| 1322 | You | 你们 |
| 1323 | is good. | 不错 |
| 1324 | Burnout to me is not like a characteristic of a person, like their height, | 对我来说,烧焦 不像一个人的特征, 像他们的身高, |
| 1325 | you know, like there are burned out people like the sort of like, it's an emotional state, | 你知道,就像有烧焦的人 像那种,这是一个情感状态, |
| 1326 | like joy or pride or fear, or depression, like it, it has, it has a reality and it can feel like | 欢乐 骄傲 恐惧 抑郁 就是这样 它有 现实 并且可以感觉 |
| 1327 | forever. | 永远 |
| 1328 | But I was burned out. | 但我被烧焦了。 |
| 1329 | And I'm not burned out now. | 我现在没有被烧焦。 |
| 1330 | I may be burned out in the future, | 我将来可能会被烧死 |
| 1331 | but it's not permanent. | 但这不是永久的。 |
| 1332 | I've learned from over a thousand podcast episodes, the easier that you | 我从一千多集播客节目里学到的,你越容易 |
| 1333 | make your health routine, the more consistent you'll be. | 让你的健康正常, 你将更加一致。 |
| 1334 | It's like golf, right? | 这就像高尔夫,对不对? |
| 1335 | You want to | 你想这样 |
| 1336 | keep it simple and not makes a bunch of pills. | 保持简单,不要做一堆药丸。 |
| 1337 | You want the eye of the tiger, not the DUI of the | 你想要老虎的眼睛,而不是醉酒 |
| 1338 | tiger. | 老虎。 老虎。 |
| 1339 | That's why I'm such a huge fan of AG1. | 这就是为什么我是一个如此巨大的AG1的粉丝。 |
| 1340 | One scoop contains 75 vitamins, minerals, probiotics, | 一勺含有75种维他命,矿物质,辅生素, |
| 1341 | and whole food source ingredients in a single daily drink. | 和日常饮料中的所有食物原料 |
| 1342 | And that's why I've been taking it | 这就是为什么我一直把它 |
| 1343 | every single morning for nearly five years now. | 几乎五年了 每一天早上 |
| 1344 | And they've taken it a step further with AG1 | 他们与AG1更进一步 |
| 1345 | back by four clinical trials. | 4次临床试验 |
| 1346 | In those trials, it was shown to fill common nutrient gaps, improve | 在这些试验中,显示它填补了共同的养分差距,改善了 |
| 1347 | key nutrient levels in just three months and increase healthy gut bacteria by 10 times, | 在短短三个月内关键营养水平 健康肠道细菌增加10倍 |
| 1348 | even in people who already eat well. | 即使是在那些已经吃得很好的人身上 |
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| 1350 | back guarantee, so you can buy it and try it every single day for three months. | 背面保证,所以你可以买它 并且每天尝试它 三个月。 |
| 1351 | If you don't like it, | 如果你不喜欢的话 |
| 1352 | they will give you all of your money back. | 他们会把钱都还给你 |
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| 1357 | The fascinating thing I've sort of come to learn about burnout, at least my particular variant of | 有趣的事情,我 来学习 关于燃烧, 至少我的特定变体 |
| 1358 | it, was mine was- Yeah, tell me, can you tell me- | 它,是我的是... ... . . . 是的 告诉我 你能告诉我... |
| 1359 | Yeah, mine was brought on by getting ill. | 是啊,我的是生病带来的。 |
| 1360 | So I lived in a house that had toxic mold. | 所以我住在一个有毒模具的房子里 |
| 1361 | And for someone that has- How old were you? | 对于一个有... 你几岁? |
| 1362 | Like what was- | 比如说... |
| 1363 | I was three, two years ago, three years, started living in the house four years ago and then moved | 我三年,两年前,三年, 开始住在房子 四年前,然后搬家 |
| 1364 | out about two and a half years ago when I found out. | 大约两年半前 当我发现。 |
| 1365 | So I had a good bit of time and my time on | 所以,我有一个很好的 一点点的时间,我的时间 |
| 1366 | detention, as bodybuilders say, was significant. | 如健美者所说,拘留很重要。 |
| 1367 | And if you have the wrong polymorphisms, | 如果你有错的多态性, |
| 1368 | you can't, your detox pathways don't work in the right way. | 你不能,你的解毒途径不 工作的方式正确。 |
| 1369 | And I lived in the house with another | 我和另一个人住在房子里 |
| 1370 | guy. | 这家伙。 |
| 1371 | He was fine. | 他没事 |
| 1372 | I was whatever the opposite of fine was. | 我和罚款相反 |
| 1373 | And it was like a fungus or something | 就像真菌之类的 |
| 1374 | that was growing. | 这正在增长。 |
| 1375 | Yeah, bingo. | 是的,宾果。 |
| 1376 | It's the same stuff that, I mean, | 我的意思是,这是同样的东西, |
| 1377 | this country's wonderful in many ways, but your building materials are wood. | 这个国家在很多方面都很棒 但你的建筑材料是木质的 |
| 1378 | And that's not a | 这不是 |
| 1379 | house. | 房子,这是... |
| 1380 | A building is not supposed to be made out of wood. | 一座建筑不应该用木头制成. |
| 1381 | It's supposed to be made out of brick, | 应该是用砖做的 |
| 1382 | like a civilized society. | 就像一个文明的社会。 |
| 1383 | I will ask my real estate developer husband, | 我会问我的房地产开发商丈夫 |
| 1384 | because if it absorbs the water- It's organic. | 因为如果它吸收了水... 这是有机的。 |
| 1385 | It's organic material. | 这是有机物。 |
| 1386 | And it gets wet and hot and wet and hot. | 而得湿热之气. |
| 1387 | And then it gets encased in insulation and then it gets- | 然后它就被隔绝了 然后它就... |
| 1388 | And it never dries out? | 它从不干涸? |
| 1389 | Bits of plasterboard clad over it. | 一块石膏板盖着它 |
| 1390 | Well, even if it does, there's like little microbes that are in there and you just need | 就算有 里面有小微生物 你只需要 |
| 1391 | one water leak and everything's now ruined. | 一水漏水就毁了一切 |
| 1392 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1393 | So then what happened? | 那后来呢? |
| 1394 | So anyway, I go through that and my capacity gets limited. | 所以,不管怎样,我经过这个过程,我的能力变得有限。 |
| 1395 | No, no, but wait, can you be more vivid? | 不,不,但等待, 你能更生动? |
| 1396 | Like what happened? | 像发生了什么事? |
| 1397 | Were you like short of breath? | 你像没有呼吸吗? |
| 1398 | Oh, okay. | 哦,还好。 |
| 1399 | If you want to allow me to bring you down the rabbit hole. | 如果你想让我带你下兔子洞 |
| 1400 | The first thing that I noticed was a significant decrease in energy. | 我注意到的第一件事是能源的大幅下降。 |
| 1401 | So I was getting very tired on a nighttime. | 所以我在晚上很累的时候。 |
| 1402 | I used to be a club promoter. | 我以前是俱乐部宣传员 |
| 1403 | So being up until | 所以一直到现在 |
| 1404 | very late was kind of par for the course for me. | 癸иㄓ弧边 |
| 1405 | And by six or seven or eight PM, it would feel | 到了六七八点,感觉 |
| 1406 | like gravity was four times as heavy as it should be. | 就像重力是应该的四倍 |
| 1407 | I would go to sleep for between 10 and 12 | 我会睡在10到12之间 |
| 1408 | hours and no matter how long I'd slept, I woke up feeling more tired than when I went to bed. | 不管我睡了多久 我醒来时感觉比睡觉时更累 |
| 1409 | So every morning was starting slow. | 所以每天早上都开始缓慢。 |
| 1410 | And then you begin this sort of recursive, | 然后你开始了这种递归, |
| 1411 | I am not the sort of person that has energy. | 我不是那种有精力的人。 |
| 1412 | The morning is going to be hard. | 早上会很辛苦的 |
| 1413 | So it becomes | 所以它变成 |
| 1414 | kind of self-referential. | 那种自我优惠。 |
| 1415 | Self-fulfilling prophecy, right? | 自我实现的预言,对不对? |
| 1416 | Bingo. | 宾果。 |
| 1417 | You're like, this is going to be an awful morning. | 你就像, 这是一个可怕的早晨。 |
| 1418 | Yes. | 对 |
| 1419 | And then it becomes an awful morning. | 然后它变成了一个可怕的早晨。 |
| 1420 | Yeah, I've been there. | 是的,我去过那里。 |
| 1421 | And that kind of intervention becomes quite difficult. | 这种干预变得相当困难。 |
| 1422 | I mean, I couldn't bear the sound | 我的意思是,我不能忍受的声音 |
| 1423 | of porcelain. | 以瓷器为单位。 |
| 1424 | Like if anyone was putting cups out, so loud sounds, especially punctuating | 就像有人把杯子放出来 声音那么响 特别是尖锐 |
| 1425 | sounds or percussive sounds, those were very uncomfortable to me. | 声音或侵扰的声音, 那些对我来说非常不舒服。 |
| 1426 | I didn't want to spend | 我不想花钱 |
| 1427 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}但我不想在沉默中呆着 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我一直想说 | |
| 1428 | I couldn't | 我没办法 |
| 1429 | put up with music. | 忍受音乐。 |
| 1430 | I didn't want to see my friends as much. | 我不想见到我的朋友 |
| 1431 | I wasn't being as extroverted. | 我可没被夸大其词 |
| 1432 | There's a | 有一个 |
| 1433 | lassitude, like the emotion of lassitude, of being ill, but without knowing that I was ill, | 懒惰,就像懒惰的情绪 生病,但不知道我病了, |
| 1434 | which is the fascinating thing. | 这是令人着迷的事情。 |
| 1435 | So what did you think was going on? | 你觉得发生了什么? |
| 1436 | Fuck knows. | 他妈的知道。 |
| 1437 | Like being moody. | 喜欢情绪化。 |
| 1438 | I just press the, you are being a bitch button. | 我只是按一下, 你是一个婊子按钮。 |
| 1439 | You're being a | 你是一个 |
| 1440 | bitch button. | 婊子按钮。 |
| 1441 | Like every single issue that I've ever encountered throughout my entire life has | 就像我一生遇到的每一个问题 |
| 1442 | always been fixed by working harder. | 总是用更努力的工作来修补 |
| 1443 | Right. | 对 |
| 1444 | And was that your response to this? | 这是你对此的反应吗? |
| 1445 | Of course it was. | 当然了 |
| 1446 | You're like, suck it up. | 你就像,吸起来。 |
| 1447 | Yeah, just go harder. | 对,再用力点 |
| 1448 | Go harder. | 再用力一点 |
| 1449 | So I did, | 所以我说, |
| 1450 | which obviously made it all worse. | 这显然让事情更糟。 |
| 1451 | And this is what was kind of fascinating. | 这就是那种迷人。 |
| 1452 | And maybe this, | 也许这个 |
| 1453 | maybe again, my particular variant has got this sort of medical, pharmacological, biological, | 也许再说一次,我特有的变体 有这种医学,药理学,生物学, |
| 1454 | like environmental pain. | 像环境痛苦。 |
| 1455 | Not generalized with everyone. | 不普遍与每个人。 |
| 1456 | But if there is something that comes in and suppresses your capacity, what becomes very | 但是,如果有东西 进入和抑制你的能力, |
| 1457 | interesting is the, you working harder. | 有趣的是,你更努力地工作。 |
| 1458 | You working harder. | 你工作得更努力点 |
| 1459 | actively makes the problem worse. | 使问题更加恶化。 |
| 1460 | And there's very few situations in life | 生活中的情况很少 |
| 1461 | where working harder won't improve things, very few. | 更努力的工作不会改善事物 很少 |
| 1462 | Like when you actually, when it comes down to it, | 就像当你真的, 当它下来, |
| 1463 | like it might not make it better, | 就像它可能不会让它更好, |
| 1464 | but it's rare that it makes it worse. | 但它却很少 使它更糟。 |
| 1465 | And this is one of them. | 这是其中之一。 |
| 1466 | And this is like, this is the case where it is. | 这就像,这是它的情况。 |
| 1467 | This is one of them. | 这是其中之一。 |
| 1468 | This is one of those, yeah. | 这是其中之一,是的。 |
| 1469 | And what's also fascinating, | 和什么是令人着迷的, |
| 1470 | is that a lot of kind of ironies, I suppose, | 是很多类型的讽刺, 我想, |
| 1471 | already unfortunate ironies, | 已经很不幸了, |
| 1472 | one of them being that you get ruthless brain fog. | 其中之一是你得到无情的脑雾。 |
| 1473 | So I forgot the names of people that I'd known for ages. | 所以我忘了我认识很久的人的名字 |
| 1474 | I forgot the names of streets. | 我忘了街道的名字。 |
| 1475 | I forgot the names of cities. | 我忘记了城市的名字 |
| 1476 | I looked down at my shoes one day | 有一天我低头看鞋 |
| 1477 | and couldn't remember how to tie my shoes. | 不记得怎么系鞋带 |
| 1478 | But the brain fog was insane. | 但脑雾是疯了。 |
| 1479 | The smell of standing water was awful. | 站水的气味真难闻 |
| 1480 | The smell of cut grass was awful. | 割草的味道真难闻 |
| 1481 | Things that I used to usually like. | 我以前喜欢的东西 |
| 1482 | And all of this stuff had changed. | 这一切都改变了。 |
| 1483 | And it's your body just, it has no idea what's going on. | 而这是你的身体 只是,它不知道 发生了什么事。 |
| 1484 | It's trying to fire all of this stuff. | 它试图发射所有这些东西。 |
| 1485 | And it's, I got COVID at the same time. | 而且,我得到了COVID 同时。 |
| 1486 | And there was maybe some long COVID-y stuff. | 也许有些长的COVID -Y的东西。 |
| 1487 | And then you go on this weird Sherlock Holmes, like, | 然后你继续这个奇怪的 夏洛克·福尔摩斯,喜欢, |
| 1488 | you know, you've got the, you've got the pipe | 你知道,你有,你有烟斗 |
| 1489 | and you've got the monocle. | 还有你的独角兽 |
| 1490 | God, you literally have the pipe. | 天啊,你确实有烟斗 |
| 1491 | I do indeed. | 确实 |
| 1492 | I need to, I'm British, again, I'm pontificate. | 我要,我是英国人,我也是英国人 |
| 1493 | Yes, it's all gone. | 是的,一切都不见了。 |
| 1494 | You're trying to work out what it is. | 你试着想出它是什么。 |
| 1495 | Is it this? | 是这个吗? |
| 1496 | Is it that? | 是吗? |
| 1497 | And it's just, they're all red herrings. | 只是,它们都是红色的 |
| 1498 | They're all dead ends. | 他们都是死胡同 |
| 1499 | I'll fix this thing. | 我会修好的 |
| 1500 | Oh, you've got some BPAs. | 哦,你有一些BPA。 |
| 1501 | Everybody's got BPAs. | 每个人都有BPA。 |
| 1502 | What might be the BPAs? | 可能是什么BPA吗? |
| 1503 | We'll fix that. | 我们会解决的 |
| 1504 | Oh, it's not that. | 不是那样的 |
| 1505 | Oh, you've got some EBV. | 哦,你有一些EBV。 |
| 1506 | Everybody's got EBV. | 每个人都有EBV。 |
| 1507 | Okay, well, you might fix that. | 好吧,好吧,你可能会解决。 |
| 1508 | You've got allergies or whatever, you know, whatever it is. | 你有过敏症什么的,你知道的, 不管是什么。 |
| 1509 | And there's all of these things that are problems | 这些事情都是有问题的 |
| 1510 | on a piece of paper, | 在一张纸上, |
| 1511 | but aren't the reason that you feel like it. | 但并不是你喜欢的原因 |
| 1512 | They're not the reason, yeah. | 他们不是原因,是的。 |
| 1513 | And then you go through all of this stuff. | 然后,你通过所有这些东西。 |
| 1514 | But the thing that sort of made me think about it | 但那种事情让我思考 |
| 1515 | was you saying about the sleep. | 是你在说睡眠的事 |
| 1516 | And what's really, really ruthless | 真正的,真正的无情 |
| 1517 | for anyone that's going through complex illness, | 对于任何经历复杂疾病的人, |
| 1518 | environmental stuff, | 环保的东西, |
| 1519 | is that they can feel absolutely wiped during the day | 就是他们白天会感到被擦伤 |
| 1520 | and wiped when they get to bed at night. | 晚上睡觉时擦干净 |
| 1521 | And then after a brief amount of time of sleep, | 然后经过短暂的睡眠时间, |
| 1522 | they're like completely awake. | 他们就像完全清醒。 |
| 1523 | If I could invert my night to my day, | 如果我能颠倒我的夜晚到我的一天, |
| 1524 | I would have been fine. | 我本来会很好 |
| 1525 | Yeah, because you could have like alerted. | 是啊,因为你可能喜欢提醒。 |
| 1526 | This is awesome, like kind of, | 这是真棒, 像那种, |
| 1527 | apart from the fact that it's- | 除了事实上... |
| 1528 | I'm highly aroused. | 我很兴奋 |
| 1529 | Yeah, exactly, it's like 12, 30. | 是啊,没错,就像12,30。 |
| 1530 | And sure, I did a saliva cortisol test | 当然,我做了一个唾液皮质醇测试 |
| 1531 | where you spit in a tube like every, | 在那里你吐 在一个管一样, |
| 1532 | maybe you did one of these too. | 也许你也做了这个 |
| 1533 | Yeah, every two hours or every hour | 是啊,每两小时或每个小时 |
| 1534 | you do this throughout the day or in the night as well. | 白天或晚上都这样 |
| 1535 | I didn't do that, but yeah, yeah. | 我没有那么做,但是是的,是的。 |
| 1536 | I didn't need to. | 我不需要这样 |
| 1537 | I knew what was going on. | 我知道发生了什么 |
| 1538 | I've inverted, you literally inverted | 我倒转了 你倒转了 |
| 1539 | my cortisol melatonin response. | 我的皮质蛋白素反应 |
| 1540 | I was like, wow, that's kind of impressive. | 我当时很喜欢,哇, 这有点令人印象深刻。 |
| 1541 | Like I'm an owl. | 就像我是一个猫头鹰。 |
| 1542 | I've become an owl. | 我变成猫头鹰了 |
| 1543 | I've burned myself out so much that I've become an owl. | 我把自己烧得像猫头鹰一样 |
| 1544 | Right, right. | 对,对。 |
| 1545 | Well, I'm not a sleep researcher, | 我不是睡眠研究员 |
| 1546 | but I'm in a department with one. | 但我在一个部门有一个。 |
| 1547 | And he says, you know, | 他说,你知道, |
| 1548 | the ideal sleep is like a box wave, right? | 理想的睡眠就像一个盒子波,对不对? |
| 1549 | So you're asleep, then you're awake. | 所以你睡着了 然后醒了 |
| 1550 | You're asleep, then you're awake. | 你睡着了,然后你醒了 |
| 1551 | And pathology is when you're asleep, | 病理学是当你睡着了, |
| 1552 | but you're too aroused and you're like awake, | 但你太激动了,你好像醒了 |
| 1553 | but you're too sl- | 但你实在太... |
| 1554 | Like, so I have been there. | 喜欢,所以我一直在那里。 |
| 1555 | So then what happened? | 那后来呢? |
| 1556 | Then it's like, what's the end of this? | 然则如是,何以终之? |
| 1557 | So you're not in this situation anymore. | 所以,你不再处于这种情况。 |
| 1558 | Not to the same degree. | 不以同度为体. |
| 1559 | Still, it is a very, very slow recovery. | 然而,这是一个非常非常缓慢的复苏。 |
| 1560 | And that was two and a half years ago, | 这是两年半前, |
| 1561 | but better, better adjacent. | 但更好的,更好的邻近。 |
| 1562 | So it's good. | 故为善. |
| 1563 | Brain function appears to be at least somewhat back. | 大脑的功能似乎至少有点回落。 |
| 1564 | Better days and worse days. | 美好的日子和糟糕的日子。 |
| 1565 | But that combined, | 但总之, |
| 1566 | and the reason that I think at least is associated | 以及我至少认为与 |
| 1567 | tangential to burnout, | 勉强燃烧, |
| 1568 | is that when you have a couple of things, | 当你们有两件事的时候, |
| 1569 | limited work capacity, | 工作能力有限, |
| 1570 | but specifically limited mental capacity, | 但精神能力特别有限, |
| 1571 | which is different | 这是不同的 |
| 1572 | because it's like attacking your ability to think. | 因为这就像攻击你的思考能力。 |
| 1573 | And I have a friend whose dad was really struggling | 我有一个朋友,他的爸爸在挣扎 |
| 1574 | and was taken into a psychiatric ward. | 然后被送进精神病院 |
| 1575 | And he turned to her one day and he said, | 有一天他转向她说 |
| 1576 | this illness has taken everything from me. | 这个疾病夺走了我的一切 |
| 1577 | It's even taken myself. | 连我自己都带走了 |
| 1578 | And that sentence really stuck in the back of my mind | 这句话真的卡在我的脑后 |
| 1579 | because he's a very smart man | 因为他很聪明 |
| 1580 | that for a long time had relied on his mental horsepower | 很久以来,他一直依靠精神力量 |
| 1581 | to get him out of, | 让他离开, |
| 1582 | it's kind of like being, | 这有点像是, |
| 1583 | it's kind of like having the ability to fly or something. | 有点像有飞行能力之类的 |
| 1584 | And you go, | 你却去, |
| 1585 | if I get backed into a corner with the world, | 如果我回到一个角落 与世界, |
| 1586 | I can just press the, I can fly button | 我可以按一下,我可以飞按钮 |
| 1587 | and that'll lift me out of the situation | 这样我就能摆脱困境了 |
| 1588 | and I can live to fight another day. | 我可以活着再打一天 |
| 1589 | And it's the same thing as what most people think of | 和大多数人的想法一样 |
| 1590 | when it comes to their mind. | 当它涉及到他们的思想。 |
| 1591 | I can use this very carefully curated thing | 我可以用这个非常小心的 |
| 1592 | between my ears to fix the problems. | 在我耳边解决问题 |
| 1593 | And in the past, I've used my mind to fix the problems, | 过去我用心去解决问题 |
| 1594 | but the very thing that I would use to fix this problem | 但我会用它来解决这个问题 |
| 1595 | is the very thing that the problem is attacking. | 这是问题所在。 |
| 1596 | And it felt so ironic and like very hopeless, hopeless, | 感觉很讽刺 感觉很绝望 |
| 1597 | like lack of agency, inability to change, low motivation, | 譬如缺乏代理 无法改变 动力低下 |
| 1598 | all of that stuff. | 所有的东西。 |
| 1599 | And yeah, it was like an induced burnout. | 是的,它就像一个诱导燃烧。 |
| 1600 | And then when you try to apply the foot on the gas lever, | 然后,当你试图应用脚 在煤气杠杆, |
| 1601 | I'll just try harder. | 我会更努力的 |
| 1602 | That's the thing that's sapping, | 就是这个 |
| 1603 | it's what you've got the least of | 这是你得到的最少 |
| 1604 | and it saps more from what you need it for, for recovery. | 它会从你需要的东西中抽取更多, 用于恢复。 |
| 1605 | So, and then here's the really, really ruthless thing. | 所以,接下来是真正,真正无情的事情。 |
| 1606 | And this is like pretty much sort of bringing it | 这就像 几乎是一种带它 |
| 1607 | into where I'm at now. | 进入我现在的位置。 |
| 1608 | What I realized was that I kind of detrained my grit muscle. | 我意识到,我有点 放松了我的肌肉。 |
| 1609 | How so? | 为什么? |
| 1610 | Well, because when I learned the lesson of | 因为当我学到 |
| 1611 | when you try harder, things get worse. | 当你更努力的时候 事情就会变得更糟 |
| 1612 | I need to learn to be gentle with myself. | 我要学会温柔一点 |
| 1613 | I need to learn to give myself a lot more grace. | 我需要学会给自己更多的恩典。 |
| 1614 | I have to just pick a small number of battles each day | 我每天只能挑几场仗 |
| 1615 | that you're gonna have some discipline in. | 你会有一些纪律。 |
| 1616 | But obviously that kind of becomes lax | 但很明显,这种 变得松弛 |
| 1617 | and it sort of begins to fluff somewhat. | 开始有点飘忽不定 |
| 1618 | And that explains why I've gained like 12 pounds this year. | 这解释了为什么我今年能赚到12磅 |
| 1619 | And that for the first time in ages. | 这在很多年里是第一次 |
| 1620 | Because you're not working out? | 因为你不工作? |
| 1621 | Because I'm not working out as much and I'm eating more. | 因为我没有做那么多工作,我吃得更多。 |
| 1622 | Okay, and then I wasn't getting up on time as much | 好吧,然后我不及时起床 |
| 1623 | and I wasn't meditating as much and I wasn't reading as much | 我也没有那么深思熟虑 也没有那么多读书 |
| 1624 | and I was taking my foot off the gas with this | 我用这个把脚从煤气里脱下来 |
| 1625 | and that and the other. | 还有其他的 |
| 1626 | And I'm like, oh, I have, | 我很喜欢,哦,我有, |
| 1627 | I now need to relearn how to do hard things | 我现在需要重新学习如何做艰难的事情 |
| 1628 | because for a long time doing hard things made me worse. | 因为很长一段时间以来 做坏事让我更糟糕 |
| 1629 | So I'm having to consciously relearn something | 所以我必须自觉重新学习一些东西 |
| 1630 | for the second time that I already learned | 这是我第二次学到 |
| 1631 | like 15 years ago. | 像15年前一样。 |
| 1632 | Like you're coming back to it. | 犹如回向. |
| 1633 | Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 师曰. |
| 1634 | So it's been a really fascinating like full circle thing. | 因此,这是一个非常迷人的 像圆圈的事情。 |
| 1635 | I mean, I'm not gonna disagree with your story. | 我的意思是,我不会不同意你的故事。 |
| 1636 | It's not your, it's not, you know, | 这不是你的,它不是,你知道, |
| 1637 | it's not my place to disagree with your story | 这不是我不同意你的故事的地方 |
| 1638 | and I don't disagree with your story. | 我也不反对你的故事 |
| 1639 | But I do wanna say that the grit muscle, | 但我确实想说 胆小的肌肉, |
| 1640 | like one of the things that I have known, | 就像我所知道的一样 |
| 1641 | not just since writing this book, | 不只是写这本书之后, |
| 1642 | but I do elaborate on it in this book | 但我确实在这本书里详细叙述过 |
| 1643 | is that I don't think the grit muscle | 是因为我不认为 胆小的肌肉 |
| 1644 | is a voice that says just do it. | 是一个声音,说只要做到这一点。 |
| 1645 | It's really not. | 这真的不是。 |
| 1646 | Michael Phelps didn't just do it. | 迈克尔 菲尔普斯不只是这样做。 |
| 1647 | Like he didn't just like force himself. | 就像他不喜欢强迫自己一样 |
| 1648 | Nobody loves swimming more than Michael Phelps. | 没有人比迈克尔·菲尔普斯更喜欢游泳了 |
| 1649 | He still does by the way, right? | 顺便说一句,他还是这样,对吧? |
| 1650 | So the self-talk is not just do it. | 所以自言自语不仅仅是做。 |
| 1651 | It's very rarely just do it, right? | 它很少只是做到这一点,对不对? |
| 1652 | Occasionally you do have to just say like, | 有时你不得不说, |
| 1653 | okay, right now I'm gonna tell myself to just do it. | 好吧,现在我要告诉自己 只是做到这一点。 |
| 1654 | But talk about exceptions to the rule. | 但说规则的例外. |
| 1655 | I mean, the complaint I have about like the grit muscle | 我的意思是,我有抱怨 喜欢的腺肌 |
| 1656 | and I can be blamed for this like one word, you know, | 我可以被责怪 就像一个词,你知道, |
| 1657 | it does sound like, you know, white knuckle it, | 听起来就像,你知道, 白色的手指, |
| 1658 | but it's really, this is interesting. | 但这是真的,这是有趣的。 |
| 1659 | This is important. | 这很重要。 |
| 1660 | I can do it. | 我可以做到这一点。 |
| 1661 | And I know what to try next, right? | 我知道接下来该怎么试 对吧? |
| 1662 | If you have those- | 如果你有这些... |
| 1663 | Closer to alignment. | 接近对齐 |
| 1664 | It's all about alignment. | 皆为调合. |
| 1665 | Actually, what I did this summer, | 事实上,我这个夏天做了什么 |
| 1666 | instead of like ruthlessly promoting myself for book tour, | 而不是像无情地宣传 我为书游, |
| 1667 | which would have been maybe something I should have done, | 我本该做的 |
| 1668 | was I went to, so in the book, | 我去过,所以在书中, |
| 1669 | I talk about this professor, James Gross at Stanford, | 我说的是斯坦福大学的詹姆斯·格罗斯教授 |
| 1670 | who is the intellectual progenitor of this idea | 谁是这个思想的知识后代 |
| 1671 | of like the situation leads to the thoughts and the response. | 就像局势导致想法和反应 |
| 1672 | Or he's, you know, we all think this in social science, | 或者他,你知道, 我们都认为这 在社会科学, |
| 1673 | but he kind of laid it out in this really nice framework. | 但是他把它放在这个非常好的框架里 |
| 1674 | And this summer I spent a sabbatical working on alignment. | 今年夏天我用一个休假时间 研究校对 |
| 1675 | So to me, what alignment is, | 所以对我来说,什么是对齐, |
| 1676 | is that internally you're aligned. | 内在的是你 |
| 1677 | Like I want to do this. | 就像我想这样做。 |
| 1678 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 1679 | Because it's interesting and it's important. | 因为它很有趣,很重要。 |
| 1680 | And I can do this. | 我可以做到这一点。 |
| 1681 | And I know what to try next. | 我知道接下来该怎么尝试 |
| 1682 | You know what misalignment looks like? | 你知道错位是什么样子吗? |
| 1683 | Well, it's important, but it's not interesting. | 嗯,这很重要,但它并不有趣。 |
| 1684 | Or it's interesting, but I can't do it. | 或有趣而无我. |
| 1685 | Or I think I could do it, | 或者我想我可以做到这一点, |
| 1686 | but I don't know what to try next, right? | 但我不知道接下来该怎么尝试 对吧? |
| 1687 | So if you want a picture of the mental life | 如果你想要一张精神生活的照片 |
| 1688 | of a paragon of grit, | 以格莱特为例, |
| 1689 | it's a bunch of arrows that are all pointing the same way. | 是一群箭头 都指向同一个方向 |
| 1690 | And that's not just do it. | 而且这不仅仅是做到这一点。 |
| 1691 | Just do it is like, | 只要做它就像, |
| 1692 | I'm gonna like force this arrow another way, right? | 我要用另一种方式强迫这支箭,对吗? |
| 1693 | The reason why we met and spent a sabbatical together | 我们相遇和共度假期的原因 |
| 1694 | is that this second book | 这是第二本书 |
| 1695 | is about aligning all the arrows outside of you. | 是关于调整所有箭头 |
| 1696 | Like, I don't know if you took physics, | 喜欢,我不知道 你是否采取物理, |
| 1697 | but in physics, you know, | 但是在物理学上,你知道, |
| 1698 | there are a bunch of diagrams with arrows, right? | 有一堆图 与箭,对不对? |
| 1699 | And the arrows are forces, right? | 箭是力量,对吧? |
| 1700 | And you learn to draw the arrows and you subtract them. | 你学会画箭,然后减掉它们。 |
| 1701 | You're like, what's the net force? | 你就像,什么是净力? |
| 1702 | How about friction? | 摩擦怎么样? |
| 1703 | But you know what makes something go fast? | 但你知道是什么让事情发展得很快吗? |
| 1704 | It's when all the arrows are pushing the same direction. | 是时一切箭射同向. |
| 1705 | And that's true internally and externally. | 内外亦然. |
| 1706 | All I'm saying in this book is, | 我在这本书里说的是 |
| 1707 | line up the arrows. | 将箭头排成一列。 |
| 1708 | Don't ignore the arrows. | 勿忽举箭. |
| 1709 | Do you have peers? | 你有同伴吗? |
| 1710 | Do you have mentors? | 你有导师吗? |
| 1711 | Like, what is your physical space? | 比如,你的物理空间是什么? |
| 1712 | Where do you live, right? | 你住在哪里,对不对? |
| 1713 | So that's lining up the outside arrows. | 因此,这是排队 外箭。 |
| 1714 | And the reason why we're meeting to talk about alignment | 还有我们开会讨论调整的原因 |
| 1715 | is that we think that a life well lived, | 是,我们认为,生活是幸福的, |
| 1716 | we think if you go all the way back to Aristotle, | 我们认为如果你一路回到亚里士多德, |
| 1717 | like what is the good life? | 像什么是美好的生活吗? |
| 1718 | It really is about alignment | 这真的是对齐 |
| 1719 | because now like if I'm aligned with you, right? | 因为现在就像我和你结盟一样 对吧? |
| 1720 | Like my internal arrows are aligned, | 就像我内部的箭一样 |
| 1721 | like my external arrows like are getting, | 就像我的外射箭一样 |
| 1722 | but also like my goals are aligned with your goals. | 就像我的目标与你的目标一致 |
| 1723 | They don't have to be the same goals, | 他们不必是同一个目标, |
| 1724 | but they're in alignment. | 但他们在对齐。 |
| 1725 | Like to me, that is like, that is what the good life is. | 对我来说,这就是美好生活 |
| 1726 | Like that's what Aristotle meant for us. | 就像亚里士多德对我们的意义一样 |
| 1727 | So alignment is to me, what this book is about externally, | 因此,校对对我来说, 这本书的外部, |
| 1728 | but it's sort of, you know, | 但它有点,你知道, |
| 1729 | a bigger concept even than that. | 一个更大的概念 甚至比那。 |
| 1730 | Let's do some environment stuff. | 让我们做一些环境的东西。 |
| 1731 | What did you, after doing all of this research, | 你做了所有这些研究之后,你做了什么? |
| 1732 | it's gonna be one of the most applicable ways, | 这将是最适用的方式之一, |
| 1733 | places that you've gone to. | 你去过的地方。 |
| 1734 | What have you changed environmentally? | 你改变了环境? |
| 1735 | Beyond Jim Kitt is out. | 超过吉姆・基特。 |
| 1736 | So I've had a fascination with quotes, right? | 所以我对引文很着迷,对吧? |
| 1737 | And there are certain poems that I'm, you know, | 有些诗我,你知道, |
| 1738 | trying to commit to memory, including, you know, | 试图致力于记忆,包括,你知道, |
| 1739 | If by Rudyard Kipling and my current one | 如果鲁迪亚德・吉卜林和我现在的 |
| 1740 | that I'm trying to memorize is called Pity the Beautiful. | 我试图记住的是 可怜的美丽。 |
| 1741 | Pity the Beautiful, the Dolls and the Dishes. | 可怜美人,多尔人和迪斯人. |
| 1742 | Anyway, so I could tell you my favorite quotes, | 无论如何,我可以告诉你 我最喜欢的引文, |
| 1743 | like Nelson Mandela, I never lose. | 像纳尔逊·曼德拉一样 我从不输 |
| 1744 | I win or I learn, right? | 我赢了还是学会了 对吧? |
| 1745 | So I have long wanted to memorize certain quotes, | 所以我早就想记住一些引言 |
| 1746 | but I have changed, which is I write them down on, | 但我已经改变了,这就是我写下来, |
| 1747 | I print out poems and I paste them on the wall | 我打印出诗,贴在墙上 |
| 1748 | and I write down quotes and I, | 我写下引文,我, |
| 1749 | like usually on two by two post-it notes, | 就像通常在两个 之后的音符, |
| 1750 | like I was gonna try to get them like needle pointed | 我本来想用针头指着他们 |
| 1751 | or whatever and I was just like, | 或者什么,我就是喜欢, |
| 1752 | I'm just gonna write it down on a post-it note | 我只是要把它写在 之后的纸条上 |
| 1753 | and I put them at eye level. | 我把它们放在眼界 |
| 1754 | And I swear to God, when I leave my office, | 我向上帝发誓 当我离开我的办公室时 |
| 1755 | the last thing I see is Nelson Mandela, right? | 我最后看到的是纳尔逊·曼德拉,对吧? |
| 1756 | And you know why that's important? | 你知道为什么这很重要吗? |
| 1757 | Because I want to say to myself, I never lose. | 因为我想对自己说,我从来没有输过。 |
| 1758 | I win or I learn. | 我赢了还是学会了 |
| 1759 | I believe that and yet I feel like a loser when I lose. | 我相信,但当我输了,我觉得自己像个失败者。 |
| 1760 | And so I need to see the two by two post-it note. | 所以我需要看到两个 之后的注释。 |
| 1761 | So like some of the people I study, including Cody Coleman, | 就像我研究的人 包括科迪·科尔曼 |
| 1762 | Cody Coleman has post-it notes everywhere, literally, | 科迪·科尔曼到处都有笔记 |
| 1763 | like, you know, the post-it note on his mirror. | 就像,你知道, 后它的字条在他的镜子。 |
| 1764 | So I become like the people I study, | 所以我变得像我学习的人, |
| 1765 | I'm decorating my personal space. | 我在装饰我的私人空间。 |
| 1766 | It's not just when I'm taking out and you said like, | 不只是我出去的时候 你说... |
| 1767 | what's the obvious, it's like people know | 很明显,就像人们知道 |
| 1768 | they shouldn't have Halloween candy around. | 他们不应该有万圣节糖果周围。 |
| 1769 | They should, you know, you don't want to drink Diet Coke, | 他们应该,你知道, 你不想喝 饮食可乐, |
| 1770 | don't have Diet Coke, right? | 没有健怡可乐,对不对? |
| 1771 | Like that's kind of obvious. | 这很显然 |
| 1772 | I'm not saying people do it, | 我不是说人们这样做, |
| 1773 | but I think what you put into your physical environment | 但我认为你把什么 进入你的身体环境 |
| 1774 | is what you put into your head. | 就是你脑子里的东西 |
| 1775 | And what you put into your head is what you do. | 你脑子里想的就是你做的事 |
| 1776 | So that's been the most recent change. | 所以这是最近的变化。 |
| 1777 | Yeah, your body is made up of everything | 是啊,你的身体是由一切组成 |
| 1778 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你放进嘴里 | |
| 1779 | and your mind is made up of everything | 你的决定是万能的 |
| 1780 | that you put into your eyes and ears. | 你将它投入你的耳目。 |
| 1781 | And yeah, curating, that's interesting. | 是的, 管理, 这很有趣。 |
| 1782 | Jared, have you ever considered | 杰瑞德,你有没有想过 |
| 1783 | you might have a drinking problem? | 你有酗酒的问题吗? |
| 1784 | I don't consider a lot, Chris. | 我考虑的不多 克里斯 |
| 1785 | Well, you drank an entire case | 你喝了整个案子 |
| 1786 | of Athletic Brewing Co. last night. | 运动员布鲁温公司昨晚。 |
| 1787 | But they're non-alcoholic. | 但他们不是酒鬼 |
| 1788 | And that's not a problem? | 这没问题吧? |
| 1789 | Sorry, man. | 对不起,伙计。 |
| 1790 | I kept chugging, waiting for the regret to creep in. | 我不停地不停地抓着 等待后悔的降临 |
| 1791 | Never happened. | 从来没有发生过。 |
| 1792 | Didn't you end up going home with that chick | 你不是和那个小妞一起回家吗? |
| 1793 | with the lazy eye? | 懒眼? |
| 1794 | I didn't seem lazy to me. | 我不觉得懒惰。 |
| 1795 | See, most people, like Jared, | 你看,大多数人, 像贾里德, |
| 1796 | don't actually want to change what they drink. | 不想改变他们喝的 |
| 1797 | They just don't want the next day to be a complete write-off, | 他们只是不希望第二天完全注销 |
| 1798 | which is why I'm such a huge fan of Athletic Brewing Co. | 这就是为什么我是一个巨大的粉丝 运动员Brewing Co。 |
| 1799 | They make the best NA brews on the planet, | 他们做最好的NA酿造 在地球上, |
| 1800 | so you can still have something cold and tasty | 这样你还是可以吃些冷味的 |
| 1801 | just without the usual trade-off. | 只是没有通常的取舍。 |
| 1802 | 你可以找到Athletic Brewing Co的畅销排行榜 | |
| 1803 | at grocery or liquor stores near you or best option. | 在你附近的杂货店或酒店 或者最好的选择 |
| 1804 | Get a full variety pack of four flavors | 得到一个完整的品种包 四个口味 |
| 1805 | shipped direct to your door. | 直接送到你的门。 |
| 1806 | Get 15% off your first online order | 从你的第一个在线订单里拿15% |
| 1807 | by going to the link in the description below | 通过到以下描述中的链接 |
| 1808 | or heading to athleticbrewing.com slash modern wisdom | 或走向运动生动. com 斜线现代智慧 |
| 1809 | 使用代码MODERNWISDOM 在检查。 | |
| 1810 | 这是运动生动。com slash MoDERNWISDOM | |
| 1811 | 和MODERNWISDOM在检查。 | |
| 1812 | Nia Beer Terms and Conditions apply. | Nia啤酒条款和条件适用。 |
| 1813 | Athletic Brewing Co. fit for all times. | 运动员酿酒公司 随时适合 |
| 1814 | So I've been thinking about the aversion | 所以我一直想着厌恶 |
| 1815 | some people have to relying on environment. | 有些人不得不依赖环境。 |
| 1816 | In your opinion, if you remove too much friction | 在你看来,如果你消除了太多的摩擦 |
| 1817 | from someone's life, does it make them weaker? | 从别人的生活中,它是否使他们变得脆弱? |
| 1818 | I think if you remove all friction, then yes, right? | 我认为如果你去除所有的摩擦, 那么是的,对不对? |
| 1819 | Because like a muscle, right? | 因为像肌肉,对不对? |
| 1820 | Like we adapt, right? | 像我们适应,对不对? |
| 1821 | So the reason our muscle grows | 所以,我们肌肉生长的原因 |
| 1822 | is that the challenge exceeds its capacity | 挑战超越其能力 |
| 1823 | and then it rips a little bit and then we like repair it | 然后它撕开一点点 然后我们喜欢修理它 |
| 1824 | and that's how we work. | 这就是我们的工作方式 |
| 1825 | So I think a life of no friction | 所以我觉得生活没有摩擦 |
| 1826 | would be a life of weak character. | 将是一个软弱的人生。 |
| 1827 | So I agree with that. | 所以我同意这一点。 |
| 1828 | But what I want people to do is make hard things easier. | 但我希望人们做的就是让困难的事情变得容易一些. |
| 1829 | Like I talked to Alistair Brownlee | 就像我和阿利斯泰·布朗利谈过 |
| 1830 | in my research for this, right? | 在我的研究中,对不对? |
| 1831 | He's a very gritty person. | 他是一个非常卑鄙的人。 |
| 1832 | I don't think you can become | 我不认为你可以成为 |
| 1833 | like one of the world's greatest triathletes | 就像世界上最伟大的三重奏之一 |
| 1834 | without a lot of grit. | 没有太多的胆量。 |
| 1835 | And his dedication to his training is famous, right? | 他对训练的奉献很出名 对吧? |
| 1836 | So nobody is going to talk about like winning triathlons | 所以,没有人会谈论 像赢得三重唱 |
| 1837 | without doing the hard work, right? | 不做艰苦的工作,对不对? |
| 1838 | But Alistair Brownlee tried to make hard work | 但是阿利斯泰·布朗利试图努力工作 |
| 1839 | as easy as possible. | 尽量轻松 |
| 1840 | Like he literally bought a house | 就像他真的买了房子一样 |
| 1841 | that was close to where he could swim and where he could run. | 离他游泳和跑步的地方很近 |
| 1842 | I mean, he could be gritty and just be like, | 我的意思是,他可能是gritty 只是喜欢, |
| 1843 | well, I'm just gonna like drive to the trip. | 好吧,我只是要去 开车去旅行。 |
| 1844 | Like, no, but he wanted to make it easier, right? | 喜欢,没有,但他想 让它更容易,对不对? |
| 1845 | Like he does my gym trick of like putting out the clean, | 就像他做我的体育伎俩 喜欢把干净, |
| 1846 | he was like, oh, by the way, it has to be dry. | 他就像,哦,顺便说一句, 它必须是干。 |
| 1847 | I mean, maybe somebody who works out that much, | 我的意思是,也许有人 谁工作这么多, |
| 1848 | like, you know, he has to run the laundry a lot. | 就像,你知道,他必须运行 洗衣很多。 |
| 1849 | Like it has to be clean and dry | 就像它必须是干净和干燥 |
| 1850 | and the kind of thing you want to get into. | 和那种你想得到的东西。 |
| 1851 | So I think, imagine having a world-class coach | 所以我想,想象一个世界级的教练 |
| 1852 | and a bunch of peers who are also trying to train | 和一群同样在训练的同伴 |
| 1853 | for a triathlon, maybe not on a team, | 也许不是在团队中 |
| 1854 | but just like they're also trying to let you trade tips, | 但就像他们也试图让你交换小费一样 |
| 1855 | your friends, you've got all of these physical things | 你的朋友,你已经得到了所有这些物理的东西 |
| 1856 | around you, the training clothes, right? | 你周围,训练服,对不对? |
| 1857 | All of that makes doing the hard thing easier | 这一切使做难的事情更容易 |
| 1858 | and it still leaves the hard thing, right? | 它仍然留下难的东西,对不对? |
| 1859 | It's just like being on Bob Bowman's swim team, right? | 这就像在鲍勃鲍曼的游泳队,对不对? |
| 1860 | Like if you sign up for this swim team, | 就像你报名参加游泳队 |
| 1861 | you will train harder than maybe any other swim team, | 你会比其他游泳队更努力训练 |
| 1862 | but you just go and it's all there. | 但你只要去,一切都在这里。 |
| 1863 | So I think that's the lesson. | 所以,我想这是教训。 |
| 1864 | I will never back down | 我永远不会退缩 |
| 1865 | because I think it's the law of psychology | 因为我认为这是心理学的定律 |
| 1866 | that you don't improve in human skill without resistance, | 没有抵抗,你不会提高人的技能, |
| 1867 | right? | 对吧? |
| 1868 | So you can't take the hard work out of excellence, | 所以,你不能把艰苦的工作 出优异, |
| 1869 | but you can make hard work easier | 但你可以让辛勤工作更容易 |
| 1870 | and you do that by setting up your situation. | 你这样做是通过设置你的处境。 |
| 1871 | Yeah, so three things come to mind. | 是啊,所以有三件事发生。 |
| 1872 | The first one is life requires quite a lot of effort | 第一个是生活需要很多努力 |
| 1873 | and I think it should be reserved for the places | 我认为它应该 保留的地方 |
| 1874 | where you don't get to choose | 你无法选择的地方 |
| 1875 | how much effort you need to apply, if that makes sense. | 你需要付出多少努力,如果这有道理的话。 |
| 1876 | Second one is one reason why it's less sexy | 第二个是它不性感的原因之一 |
| 1877 | or less well promoted to try and make life easier | 或者升迁得不够好 试图让生活变得更容易 |
| 1878 | or to have the peer group thing | 或拥有对等群的事情 |
| 1879 | is that it makes for a really shit movie. | 这部电影真是烂透了 |
| 1880 | It makes for a horrendous movie. | 拍一部可怕的电影 |
| 1881 | What you want is the protagonist to be brushing up | 你想要的是主角来梳洗 |
| 1882 | against friction all the time. | 对抗摩擦时时刻刻。 |
| 1883 | And then it makes them the hero, right? | 然后他们成了英雄,对吧? |
| 1884 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 1885 | If Rocky was him with a bunch of peers | 如果洛基和一群同龄人在一起 |
| 1886 | and a lovely mentor and he'd laid his clothes out | 和一位可爱的导师 他把自己的衣服铺了出来 |
| 1887 | and everything was done. | 和一切已经做了。 |
| 1888 | So, okay, well, we've removed a lot of the dramatic tension | 所以,好吧,好了,我们已经消除了很多 戏剧性的紧张 |
| 1889 | which is exactly what makes for a good movie. | 这才是好电影的造诣 |
| 1890 | And I think we've kind of imbibed the story of the hero | 我想我们已经把英雄的故事 |
| 1891 | and we're now trying to live it that way. | 而我们现在试图 生活它的方式。 |
| 1892 | Yeah, yeah, that's so actually insightful. | 是啊,是啊,这是如此 真正的洞察力。 |
| 1893 | In the last chapter- | 在最后一章里... |
| 1894 | You didn't need to be surprised about it. | 你不必对此感到惊讶 |
| 1895 | Well, I hadn't thought about it before. | 我以前没想过 |
| 1896 | I am surprised. | 我很惊讶。 |
| 1897 | I cannot be surprised. | 我不能惊讶。 |
| 1898 | I'm just teasing. | 我只是在开玩笑 |
| 1899 | In the last chapter of the book, | 在书的最后一章, |
| 1900 | I wrote the story of my daughter | 我写了我女儿的故事 |
| 1901 | and how she was in seventh grade. | 还有她七年级时的样子 |
| 1902 | She fails her, so she's in this super advanced math class. | 她失败了,所以她参加了这个超高级的数学课. |
| 1903 | The kind of math class where you get to college math | 那种数学课 你得到大学数学 |
| 1904 | in your junior year or something of high school. | 在你的初中或高中的东西。 |
| 1905 | Look, I used to teach math, literally, full-time | 你看,我曾经教数学,字面上,全职 |
| 1906 | as a high school and middle school math teacher. | 作为高中和初中数学教师. |
| 1907 | I know math and also I'm a quantitative social scientist. | 我知道数学,我也是一个量化的社会科学家。 |
| 1908 | I am not an author by profession. | 我不是专业作家。 |
| 1909 | I'm actually a psychologist, right? | 我其实是个心理学家,对吧? |
| 1910 | So I'm looking at her seventh grade math | 所以我看着她七年级的数学 |
| 1911 | and she fails these tests and I'm looking at these questions | 她没有通过这些测试 我看着这些问题 |
| 1912 | and I'm like, wow, has seventh grade math changed? | 而我喜欢,哇,有没有 七年级的数学改变? |
| 1913 | I literally couldn't do them. | 我实在是办不到 |
| 1914 | And I said to her, look, this little track you're on, | 我告诉她,你看,这个小轨道, |
| 1915 | which a very small number of kids are on, | 极少数的孩子在, |
| 1916 | it does seem too hard. | 这似乎太难了。 |
| 1917 | Why don't you just go into the normal advanced math class | 为什么你不去普通的高级数学班 |
| 1918 | and you'll still get to calculus. | 你还是会得到微积分。 |
| 1919 | My husband, the real estate developer, objects | 我的丈夫,房地产开发商,物品 |
| 1920 | and he says, I don't want my daughter to learn | 他说,我不想我女儿学 |
| 1921 | that she's a failure. | 她是一个失败者。 |
| 1922 | I actually don't care about math, | 其实我不在乎数学 |
| 1923 | but I don't want her to learn the lesson | 但我不想让她学到教训 |
| 1924 | that being a failure. | 那是个失败。 |
| 1925 | So he brings home scrap paper, they learn the math together. | 所以他把废纸带回家 他们一起学数学 |
| 1926 | It's basically a very supportive situation, right? | 这基本上是一个非常支持的情况,对不对? |
| 1927 | So here's what happens in this little narrative, right? | 这段小故事是这样的,对吧? |
| 1928 | Let's make it into a movie. | 让我们把它拍成电影。 |
| 1929 | So Amanda wakes up early. | 所以阿曼达早起 |
| 1930 | She has coffee for the first time. | 她第一次喝咖啡时 |
| 1931 | I mean, it was mostly milk, but yeah, | 我的意思是,它大多数是牛奶, 但是是的, |
| 1932 | she drank coffee the first time. | 她第一次喝咖啡的时候 |
| 1933 | She furiously works on the problems of the math test | 她疯狂地研究数学测试的问题 |
| 1934 | that she had already failed. | 她已经失败了 |
| 1935 | Her teacher says, you know what? | 她老师说,你知道吗? |
| 1936 | I'm not gonna replace your grade, | 我不会取代你的成绩, |
| 1937 | but I'm gonna let you take the test again | 但我会让你再考一次 |
| 1938 | so you can show me what you can do, right? | 这样你就可以告诉我 你能做到什么,对不对? |
| 1939 | And you can also prove yourself wrong | 你也可以证明自己错了 |
| 1940 | that you're like not a math person. | 说你不是数学家 |
| 1941 | She's working mornings, she's working evenings. | 她早上在工作,晚上在工作 |
| 1942 | They cut church to like, you know, practice math. | 他们切教堂喜欢,你知道, 练习数学。 |
| 1943 | And then the moment of truth comes | 然后真相降临 |
| 1944 | and she takes the math test and she triumphs | 她参加数学测试,并取得了胜利 |
| 1945 | and she does a hundred percent on these math tests. | 她做100%的数学测试。 |
| 1946 | So don't count for a grade, but that sets her trajectory. | 所以不要计算一个等级, 但它设定她的轨迹。 |
| 1947 | So she finishes, she stays in the math class. | 所以她完成,她留在数学课。 |
| 1948 | She gets an A, yeah. | 她得到一个A,是的。 |
| 1949 | She graduates from college years later as a math major | 她毕业于大学 几年后作为数学专业 |
| 1950 | and not any college, but Harvard. | 也不是大学,而是哈佛大学 |
| 1951 | So it's like not easy math. | 所以这就像不是简单的数学。 |
| 1952 | And I showed this story to an early reader | 我给早期的读者看了这个故事 |
| 1953 | and they look at the story, they read the story | 他们看故事,看故事 |
| 1954 | and they say, this is a story of grit. | 他们说,这是一个故事 格里特。 |
| 1955 | And I'm like, what about the father | 而我喜欢,怎么样的父亲 |
| 1956 | who learned all this really hard math | 谁学会了这些 真正艰难的数学 |
| 1957 | and like sat with her and like gave her the next problem, | 就像坐在她身边 给她下一个问题 |
| 1958 | like just like explain things. | 就像解释事情一样 |
| 1959 | What about this crap? | 那这个垃圾呢? |
| 1960 | What about the fact that like everybody in our house | 那像我们家所有人一样 |
| 1961 | like tiptoed around her and gave her all this space? | 就像在她身边 给她这些空间一样? |
| 1962 | Like, what about the personal space that she set up | 喜欢,怎么样的个人空间 她设置了 |
| 1963 | where she like put her phone, | 她喜欢放手机的地方 |
| 1964 | she actually had the foresight to like zip her phone | 她确实有远见 喜欢拉链她的手机 |
| 1965 | into a pocket of a coat and then put it into a coat. | 装进外套的口袋里 然后放进外套里 |
| 1966 | Like, what about the math teacher who said, you know, | 比如,数学老师说,你知道, |
| 1967 | I'm gonna give you a second chance, like show me. | 我要给你第二次机会,像给我看一样 |
| 1968 | So I think you're exactly right, | 所以我认为你是对的 |
| 1969 | but it's not only because like if you have Rocky | 不只是因为你有了洛基 |
| 1970 | and he has like a lot of things going for him, | 他有很多事要做, |
| 1971 | it doesn't mean, I think you're exactly right about that. | 这并不意味着, 我想你是对的。 |
| 1972 | Maybe that's the more profound point. | 也许这就是更深刻的一点。 |
| 1973 | But even when we have true stories of people | 但即使我们有真实的人的故事 |
| 1974 | who were gritty and had a great situation, | 他们是粗鲁的, 并有一个伟大的情况, |
| 1975 | we somehow edit out the situation. | 我们不知何故编辑 情况。 |
| 1976 | We just like only want the hero, | 我们只喜欢英雄 |
| 1977 | like a silhouette on a white piece of paper. | 就像一张白纸上的沙发 |
| 1978 | And the danger of that is that when we go to try | 而危险的是 当我们去尝试 |
| 1979 | to do great things, we think that's the way to do it. | 做伟大的事情, 我们认为这是这样做的方式。 |
| 1980 | And you just can't do it. | 你只是不能做到这一点。 |
| 1981 | You cannot be Michael Phelps without Bob Bowman, full stop. | 你不可能是迈克尔・菲尔普斯 没有鲍勃・鲍曼,全站。 |
| 1982 | Yeah, the third thing that it made me think about. | 是啊,第三件事 让我想起。 |
| 1983 | So my chosen instrument of choice is talking. | 所以我选择的乐器在说话 |
| 1984 | And I worked with a speech coach for a good while | 我和演讲导师合作了一段时间 |
| 1985 | and an addiction coach and a comedy coach | 一个瘾君子教练和一个喜剧教练 |
| 1986 | and a bunch of other people did improv | 还有一群人即兴表演 |
| 1987 | and a lot of other things. | 还有很多其他的事情 |
| 1988 | When I said to my friends that I was gonna start | 当我对朋友说我要开始 |
| 1989 | to work with a speech coach, | 与演讲导师合作, |
| 1990 | they sort of had this alarmed look | 他们看起来有点惊慌 |
| 1991 | or they were a little bit uncertain | 或者他们有点不确定 |
| 1992 | and they said something to the effect of, | 他们说了一些大意 |
| 1993 | what if you lose your sort of natural speaking voice, | 如果你失去了你那种自然说话的声音, |
| 1994 | your natural speaking cadence? | 你自然说话的节奏? |
| 1995 | And I said, well, that's interesting | 我说,这很有趣 |
| 1996 | that you would say that about me working to improve | 你会说我努力改进 |
| 1997 | something which objectively can be improved | 客观上可以改进的东西 |
| 1998 | with someone that's a professional, | 和一个专业的人 |
| 1999 | because you wouldn't have said the same | 因为你不会这么说 |
| 2000 | if I was playing the saxophone. | 如果我在演奏萨克斯风。 |
| 2001 | If I was playing the saxophone as a beginner saxophonist, | 如果我演奏萨克斯风作为初学者 |
| 2002 | you would not say, well, what about your beautiful, | 你不会说,好吧,你的美丽, |
| 2003 | natural way of playing the saxophone? | 玩萨克斯风的自然方式? |
| 2004 | You go, well, it's wrong. | 你走,这是错误的。 |
| 2005 | Or it could be better, right? | 或者会更好,对吧? |
| 2006 | What about your beautiful way of running? | 你的漂亮跑步方式怎么办? |
| 2007 | Because they want it to be natural, right? | 因为他们希望它是自然的,对不对? |
| 2008 | They want it to be- | 他们想... |
| 2009 | So this is the distinction. | 这就是区别 |
| 2010 | At least this is my total, this is Total Bros. | 至少这是我的总和 这是总兄弟 |
| 2011 | This is the hat for bro science. | 这是兄弟科学的帽子。 |
| 2012 | So this is like, I should have had this on the whole time | 所以这就像,我应该一直有这个 |
| 2013 | talking to you. | 和你说话。 |
| 2014 | Wait, what does this hat mean? | 等等 这帽子是什么意思? |
| 2015 | For bro science. | 为兄弟科学. |
| 2016 | If I'm a bro scientist today. | 如果我今天是兄弟科学家的话 |
| 2017 | Oh, okay, yes. | 哦,好吧,没错。 |
| 2018 | It's basically- | 这基本上... |
| 2019 | Because you're the captain here now. | 因为你现在是这里的船长 |
| 2020 | Correct, that's it. | 没错,就是这样。 |
| 2021 | Looks good on you. | 不错 |
| 2022 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 2023 | Here's my working theory, which is, | 这是我的工作理论,即, |
| 2024 | there are certain things about us | 我们之间有些事情 |
| 2025 | that we feel as being close to our sense of self. | 我们觉得自己很接近自我 |
| 2026 | Like our essence. | 就像我们的精髓 |
| 2027 | Yes, yes. | 对,对。 |
| 2028 | Who we really are. | 我们到底是谁? |
| 2029 | The way you speak is so fundamental | 你说话的方式太重要了 |
| 2030 | to the person that you are. | 敬你这个人 |
| 2031 | The language you use, the cadence that you speak in, | 你使用的语言, 你说话的胆量, |
| 2032 | how you enunciate words, that's you. | 你如何解释 字,这就是你。 |
| 2033 | The way that you play the saxophone, that's not you. | 你演奏萨克斯风的方式 不是你 |
| 2034 | Interesting. | 有意思,这很有趣 |
| 2035 | And I think- | 我觉得... |
| 2036 | Yeah, what do you think? | 你觉得呢? |
| 2037 | Part of the reason that people have this little aversion | 部分原因 人们有这种小厌恶 |
| 2038 | to talking about environment and situation | 环境与形势 |
| 2039 | as opposed to grit and self-determination | 而不是文字和自决 |
| 2040 | is that it feels like it's less me. | 感觉我少了点 |
| 2041 | It's not- | 这不是... |
| 2042 | It's like there's a hundred points. | 谓有百分. |
| 2043 | And if it's going to be like 20 to the situation. | 况复如是等二十种境界. |
| 2044 | Well, it's less you. | 嗯,这是少你。 |
| 2045 | Then it's less me. | 然则少我. |
| 2046 | It's less you. | 更无汝. |
| 2047 | Not only does it mean that if the environment | 不仅意味着如果环境 |
| 2048 | was to go away, that you're less self-sufficient. | 离开你,你没有那么自足 |
| 2049 | I put you on a desert island. | 我把你安置在荒岛上 |
| 2050 | It's like truly less you. | 这就像真正的少你。 |
| 2051 | Correct. | 没错 |
| 2052 | Yeah, so not only- | 是啊,所以不仅... |
| 2053 | That's right, yeah. | 没错 |
| 2054 | You contribute less to it and you get to own it less, | 你对它的贡献少, 你得到拥有它少, |
| 2055 | which means that there's less pride associated with it. | 也就是说与它相关的自豪感减少 |
| 2056 | And I just want it to be me. | 我只想让自己来 |
| 2057 | It's this almost like transcendent thing. | 这是几乎像超凡的东西。 |
| 2058 | Does that make sense? | 这有道理吗? |
| 2059 | It's just not true. | 这不是真的 |
| 2060 | I mean, yeah, I think that's right, right? | 我的意思是,是的,我认为是正确的,对不对? |
| 2061 | I'm objection handling on your behalf. | 我反对代表你处理 |
| 2062 | If it's like a hundred points, | 如果它像一百分, |
| 2063 | how many go to Rocky, right? | 有多少去洛基,对不对? |
| 2064 | Let's give all hundred points to Rocky. | 让我们给所有百分 洛基。 |
| 2065 | And how many go to Adrian? | 有多少去阿德里安? |
| 2066 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 2067 | And I can't remember if it was Coach Mickey. | 我不记得是米基教练了 |
| 2068 | Was this Coach Mickey? | 这是米基教练吗? |
| 2069 | I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 我想是这样,是的,是的,是的。 |
| 2070 | And you know what? | 你知道吗? |
| 2071 | Maybe there is some kind of like, yeah, I mean, | 也许有某种类似,是的,我的意思是, |
| 2072 | I guess if you were going to take away | 我猜如果你要带走 |
| 2073 | some of the Rocky points and give them to Adrian | 一些洛基的点数 把它们交给阿德里安 |
| 2074 | and give them to Mickey, | 把它们交给米奇 |
| 2075 | then Rocky has fewer than a hundred. | 洛基还不到一百块 |
| 2076 | It's just the reality though, right? | 只是现实而已,对吧? |
| 2077 | And the question is, | 问题是, |
| 2078 | do you want to be Michael Phelps winning 28 gold medals? | 你想成为迈克尔·菲尔普斯赢得28枚金牌吗? |
| 2079 | Or do you want to get all hundred points | 还是你想得到所有的百分 |
| 2080 | for being Michael Phelps without Bob Bowman, | 因为迈克尔・菲尔普斯没有鲍勃・鲍曼 |
| 2081 | without Debbie Phelps, without his teammates? | 没有黛比・菲尔普斯, 没有他的队友? |
| 2082 | By the way, I just listened to Roger Federer's | 对了,我只是听了罗杰费德勒的 |
| 2083 | induction speech. | 上岗演讲. |
| 2084 | This is actually what I do. | 这就是我要做的。 |
| 2085 | Oh my God. | 天呐 |
| 2086 | I will never get bored of studying excellence. | 我永远不会厌倦学习优秀。 |
| 2087 | So I don't even play tennis. | 所以我甚至不打网球。 |
| 2088 | I don't even watch tennis, | 我甚至不看网球, |
| 2089 | but I'm watching Roger Federer's 29 minute acceptance speech | 但我在看罗杰费德勒29分钟的接受演讲 |
| 2090 | to the Tennis Hall of Fame. | 来到网球名人堂. |
| 2091 | And if I could do a word cloud of that speech, | 如果我能做一个字云 该演讲, |
| 2092 | the single biggest word, | 一个最大的词 |
| 2093 | the most common thing he said was ecosystem, right? | 他说的最常见的是生态系统,对吧? |
| 2094 | As he is being inducted into the Hall of Fame, | 当他进入名人堂时 |
| 2095 | he's talking about the two, by name, | 他说的是两个,名字 |
| 2096 | the two guys who string his rackets, right? | 两个家伙谁 串他的噪音,对不对? |
| 2097 | The, like his physiotherapist, | 就像他的理疗师 |
| 2098 | like he named his coaches by name. | 就像他给教练取了名字 |
| 2099 | I didn't realize he had so many past and present. | 我不知道他有这么多过去和现在。 |
| 2100 | Like the thing is, is that if you want to get all the points, | 事情是这样的 如果你想得到所有的分数 |
| 2101 | like you can give Roger Federer all the points | 就像你可以给罗杰费德勒所有的分数 |
| 2102 | if he doesn't have all those people | 如果他没有那么多人 |
| 2103 | that he relies on, his agent, right? | 他依赖的,他的经纪人,对不对? |
| 2104 | Like, okay, that's fine. | 好吧,没关系 |
| 2105 | But he won't be the Roger Federer that we know. | 但他不会是我们认识的罗杰·费德勒 |
| 2106 | And the question is, how far do you want to go? | 问题是,你想走多远? |
| 2107 | Are you willing to give up some of the points | 你愿意放弃一些要点吗? |
| 2108 | to other people, to the situation and go farther? | 对其他人, 情况和走得更远? |
| 2109 | Or do you want to keep all the points to yourself, | 或者你想保持所有点 自己, |
| 2110 | like completely DIY, self-made man? | 像完全DIY,自我制造的人吗? |
| 2111 | I did everything myself and nobody helped me. | 我做了一切自己,没有人帮我。 |
| 2112 | You can keep all the points, but you won't go as far. | 你可以保持所有的分数, 但你不会走那么远。 |
| 2113 | Yeah, that's so great. | 是啊,这是伟大的。 |
| 2114 | I've got the pie chart in my mind | 我脑子里有馅饼图 |
| 2115 | and it's not just the portion. | 不只是这部分 |
| 2116 | You can have a hundred percent, | 你可以拥有百分之百, |
| 2117 | but the size of the pie is going to be smaller. | 但馅饼的尺寸会变小 |
| 2118 | Yeah, you can have all the little pie. | 是啊,你可以拥有所有的 小派。 |
| 2119 | You can have a hundred percent of a little pie | 你可以吃百分之百的小馅饼 |
| 2120 | or you can have a wedge of a bigger pie. | 或者你可以吃个更大的馅饼 |
| 2121 | And that to me is the story of success. | 对我来说,这就是成功的故事。 |
| 2122 | And I knew it when I studied Paragons of Grit, I think, | 我研究格里特的帕拉贡斯时就知道 |
| 2123 | but I wasn't thinking about it very hard. | 但我没想太多 |
| 2124 | I was like, oh, right. | 我当时想,哦,对了。 |
| 2125 | And like, let's talk about you. | 我们来谈谈你 |
| 2126 | But now when I interview people, | 但是现在当我采访人们时 |
| 2127 | I ask them about their mentors. | 我问他们导师的事 |
| 2128 | I ask them about the people that they're training with. | 我问他们跟谁一起训练 |
| 2129 | I literally ask them about their physical circumstances. | 我问他们身体状况 |
| 2130 | I ask them like what's on their desk. | 我问他们喜欢他们桌上的东西。 |
| 2131 | I ask them what's in their refrigerator. | 我问他们冰箱里有什么 |
| 2132 | I ask them about their routines. | 我问他们他们的习惯。 |
| 2133 | And so I do think that there is this complete story | 所以我觉得这个故事是完整的 |
| 2134 | if you look for it, but we're not looking for it. | 如果你在找, 但我们不是在找它。 |
| 2135 | How do you know when to work harder on yourself | 你怎么知道你什么时候更努力工作 |
| 2136 | and when to change your circumstances? | 什么时候才能改变你的处境? |
| 2137 | I'll say this. | 我会说。 |
| 2138 | I think if you want to work harder, | 我想如果你想努力工作的话 |
| 2139 | you gave me an A and B choice, right? | 你给了我一个A和B的选择,对不对? |
| 2140 | A, work harder. | A,努力点 |
| 2141 | B, change your circumstances, right? | B,改变你的处境,对不对? |
| 2142 | I'm gonna say that they both end up | 我要说,他们都结束了 |
| 2143 | with change your circumstances, and here's why, right? | 改变你的处境 这就是为什么 对吧? |
| 2144 | I think to answer your change, | 我想回你的零钱 |
| 2145 | if you feel burned out, | 如果你觉得烧焦了, |
| 2146 | then you probably are trying really hard. | 那你可能已经很努力了 |
| 2147 | If you recognize this feeling of exhaustion or whatever, | 如果你认得这种疲惫的感觉 |
| 2148 | like, oh, it's like helplessness, | 就像,哦,这就像无助, |
| 2149 | then you probably are just like you were | 那你可能就像你一样 |
| 2150 | and just like I was, digging yourself a deeper hole. | 就像我一样 挖个更深的洞 |
| 2151 | And absolutely, that is the canary in the coal mine. | 当然,那是煤矿里的金丝雀。 |
| 2152 | Change your circumstances. | 改变你的处境 |
| 2153 | You need more support and probably | 你需要更多的支持,也许 |
| 2154 | an adjustment of challenge for the time being. | 暂时调整挑战。 |
| 2155 | All right, that's choice B. | 好吧,这是选择B。 |
| 2156 | So that's when you... | 所以那时你... |
| 2157 | But what about working harder? | 但努力工作怎么样? |
| 2158 | And you made the argument that maybe that's the modal thing. | 你提出的论点是,也许这就是模式。 |
| 2159 | Maybe that's most of the time what people need to do. | 也许这大部分时间 人们需要做。 |
| 2160 | They need to push hard on the rest. | 他们需要大力推进其他的。 |
| 2161 | I think you still end up with change the circumstances. | 我想你还是会改变情况 |
| 2162 | Here's why. | 这是为什么。 |
| 2163 | So say you realize, you know, I've been giving 70% at work. | 所以说你知道,你知道,我已经 给70%的工作。 |
| 2164 | And if I'm honest, that's what's holding me back, right? | 如果我是诚实的,那就是 阻止我,对不对? |
| 2165 | So now you decide you're gonna give 100% | 所以现在你决定给100% |
| 2166 | or even like 75%, right? | 或甚至像75%,对不对? |
| 2167 | As a behavioral scientist, I'll say, | 作为一个行为科学家,我会说, |
| 2168 | if you're giving 70, try for 75, not for 100. | 如果你给70,试试75,而不是100。 |
| 2169 | But anyway, leaving that aside. | 但不管怎样,别管那个 |
| 2170 | So then if you accept this, you know, | 所以,如果你接受这一点, 你知道, |
| 2171 | three box framework of all of human behavior, | 三盒框架 所有人类的行为, |
| 2172 | they're like, I want more effort in box three. | 他们喜欢,我想要更多的努力 在方框三。 |
| 2173 | That's my response. | 这是我的反应 |
| 2174 | I wanna come into work and be 75, if not higher. | 我想来工作,75岁,如果不是更高。 |
| 2175 | Then you have to ask the question, | 那你得问个问题 |
| 2176 | what thought will make me do that, right? | 什么想法会让我这样做,对不对? |
| 2177 | I've told you that I don't think the thought is just do it. | 我告诉过你,我不认为 想法只是做到这一点。 |
| 2178 | I think you have to think that your work | 我想你必须认为你的工作 |
| 2179 | is more interesting, important, | 更有趣,更重要一点, |
| 2180 | that you can do it and you know what to try next. | 你可以做到这一点,你知道什么 尝试下一步。 |
| 2181 | I think that's the only way to sustain | 我认为这是维持 |
| 2182 | a higher level of effort. | 付出更大的努力。 |
| 2183 | But the reason I say that you eventually | 但我说最终你的原因 |
| 2184 | get back to circumstances is like, | 回到当时的情况,就像, |
| 2185 | what books do I need to read? | 我需要读什么书? |
| 2186 | What podcasts do I listen to? | 我听什么播客播报? |
| 2187 | What people do I need to be with? | 我需要和谁在一起? |
| 2188 | What mentors do I need? | 我需要什么导师? |
| 2189 | What conversations do I need? | 我需要什么谈话? |
| 2190 | What's my physical space need to be | 我的物理空间需要什么? |
| 2191 | so that I can have those thoughts | 这样我就能有这些想法 |
| 2192 | that will get me to work harder? | 那能让我更努力工作吗? |
| 2193 | So eventually, I think, whether it's getting a coach, | 所以最终,我想,不管它是否得到一个教练, |
| 2194 | a therapist, a mentor, a peer group, | 治疗师、导师、同伴团体 |
| 2195 | a change of your situation in any way, | 改变你的处境 |
| 2196 | eventually, that's where you end up anyway. | 最终,你终究会变成这样 |
| 2197 | Even, I mean, if you're smart about it, | 甚至,我的意思是,如果你是聪明的, |
| 2198 | even if the answer is work harder, | 即使答案是更努力的工作, |
| 2199 | because this is not just to do once. | 因为这不仅仅是做一次。 |
| 2200 | If you only have to work harder like today | 如果你要像今天这样努力工作 |
| 2201 | at four o'clock in the afternoon once, | 一次下午四点, |
| 2202 | then maybe you could just use willpower. | 或许你可以用意志力 |
| 2203 | Go for it. | 来啊 |
| 2204 | It'll be tiring, but you can do it. | 会累的,但你可以的。 |
| 2205 | But if you have to do it every day at four o'clock | 但是如果你必须每天四点做 |
| 2206 | and every week and then every year, | 每周,然后每年, |
| 2207 | there's no way you can do it by just forcing yourself. | 强迫自己是不行的 |
| 2208 | Right. | 对 |
| 2209 | So in your opinion, it's less situation-specific | 所以,在你看来,它不太具体的情况 |
| 2210 | and it's more like iteration-specific. | 更像是特异性 |
| 2211 | If this is a one-off, then maybe you can just put foot... | 如果这是一次性的,那么也许你可以只是把脚... |
| 2212 | All I'm saying is that willpower is this thing | 我只是想说 意志力就是这个 |
| 2213 | that you can use when you really need to. | 当您真的需要时可以使用。 |
| 2214 | And you can do it once. | 你可以做一次。 。 。 |
| 2215 | I think anybody can do it. | 我认为任何人都可以做到这一点。 |
| 2216 | By the way, we're better at it than animals. | 顺便说一句,我们比动物更擅长这个 |
| 2217 | Like we're better at it than dogs and chimpanzees. | 就像我们比狗和黑猩猩更擅长 |
| 2218 | Like you can put animals through like the same kind of tasks | 就像你可以把动物 穿过类似的任务 |
| 2219 | that you put young children. | 让你的孩子。 |
| 2220 | And human beings are better at delaying gratification, | 人类更愿意拖延满足 |
| 2221 | better at forcing ourselves to do things | 更能强迫自己做事 |
| 2222 | that we don't wanna do in the moment. | 我们目前不想这么做 |
| 2223 | But all I'm saying is that you're right. | 但我说的是你是对的 |
| 2224 | Like if it's iterative, | 就像它是迭代, |
| 2225 | if you have to do this again and again and again, | 如果你必须做 一次又一次地, |
| 2226 | and the path to excellence is consistency, right? | 而通往优异的道路 是一致性,对不对? |
| 2227 | Like that is the seminal insight of grit. | 就像这是格瑞特的开创性见解。 |
| 2228 | The path to excellence is consistency. | 卓越之路是一致性。 |
| 2229 | And the path to consistency | 和通往一致性的道路 |
| 2230 | is a situation that sets up consistency. | 这是一种建立一致性的情况。 |
| 2231 | Yes, yes, yes, yes. | 师曰. |
| 2232 | So you spent some time at Oxford, right? | 你在牛津待过一段时间,对吧? |
| 2233 | I did, two years. | 我有,两年。 |
| 2234 | And I actually started speaking with a faux British accent | 其实我开始用英国口音说话 |
| 2235 | because of the power of the situation. | 因为局势的力量。 |
| 2236 | I was like, cheers. | 我当时想,干杯。 |
| 2237 | Did it like, oh, you know, trousers around the ankles. | 脚踝周围的裤子 |
| 2238 | And I, you know, the power of the situation is very strange. | 我,你知道, 情况的力量是非常奇怪的。 |
| 2239 | Look at how far you've fallen. | 看看你跌了多远 |
| 2240 | So unfortunate. | 真遗憾 |
| 2241 | So I have got this new live show, | 所以我有了这个新的现场秀, |
| 2242 | which I'm about to go on tour with. | 我要跟他们一起巡回演出 |
| 2243 | And one of the things that I talk about, | 和我谈论的一件事, |
| 2244 | because I'm going back to the homeland, the UK and Ireland. | 因为我要回到祖国 英国和爱尔兰 |
| 2245 | Oh, you're gonna start in UK? | 哦,你要从英国开始? |
| 2246 | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 释曰. |
| 2247 | And I'm talking about tall poppy syndrome. | 我说的是高罂粟综合症。 |
| 2248 | This is a British, unpack this for me, | 这是英国人,帮我解开这个 |
| 2249 | but this is the British. | 但这是英国人。 |
| 2250 | It is, it is an affliction. | 这是一种痛苦。 |
| 2251 | And it actually came from New Zealand | 其实是从新西兰来的 |
| 2252 | and Australia originally. | 还有澳大利亚 |
| 2253 | Oh, really? | 是吗? |
| 2254 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 2255 | That's like the origin story. | 这就像起源的故事。 |
| 2256 | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 释曰. |
| 2257 | But it comes across, it's a situation | 但它会发现,这是一个情况 |
| 2258 | in which a person who becomes conspicuously successful | 其中,一个显着成功的人 |
| 2259 | or wealthy or high status or whatever | 或富裕或高地位或任何东西 |
| 2260 | is derogated by people around them. | 被周围的人减损 |
| 2261 | And interesting. | 还有有趣的是。 |
| 2262 | This is a British thing. | 这是英国的事 |
| 2263 | Very, very, very. | 甚处来. |
| 2264 | It's kind of like- | 有点像... |
| 2265 | If we, if football didn't exist, | 如果我们,如果足球不存在, |
| 2266 | it would be our national sport. | 这将是我们的民族运动。 |
| 2267 | That's like kind of how central it is. | 这就像它是多么的中心。 |
| 2268 | A deviation, it's typically sort of preceded | 一个偏差,它通常 排序前 |
| 2269 | with a deviation from the norm. | 偏离了规范。 |
| 2270 | That somebody decides to do something | 有人决定做点什么 |
| 2271 | that's a little bit different. | 这有点不一样 |
| 2272 | Yeah, very much so. | 是啊,非常喜欢。 |
| 2273 | There's a lot of conformance. | 随顺性多. |
| 2274 | But excellence then is derogated, | 至於优美,则已回避; |
| 2275 | is what your point is. | 这就是你的观点。 |
| 2276 | Oh, a hundred percent, yeah. | 哦,百分之百的,对。 |
| 2277 | I mean, you're allowed to be successful, | 我的意思是,你被允许是成功的, |
| 2278 | but only if you treat it as a horrible accident | 但只要你把它当作可怕的意外 |
| 2279 | that you got there. | 你得到了那个。 |
| 2280 | Interesting. | 有意思,这很有趣 |
| 2281 | It's like, it very much is, you're sort of ashamed. | 这就像,非常是, 你有点羞愧。 |
| 2282 | It's like, oh my God, I appear to have- | 这就像,哦,我的上帝, 我似乎有 -- |
| 2283 | This explains like all the Hugh Grant humor, right? | 这解释了所有的休·格兰特幽默,对不对? |
| 2284 | I appear to have created a successful business. | 我似乎创造了一个成功的企业。 |
| 2285 | I'm so sorry. | 对不起 |
| 2286 | I must not do this again. | 我不能再这样下去了 |
| 2287 | I swear it won't happen. | 我发誓不会发生的 |
| 2288 | I'm not very American, by the way. | 顺便说一句,我不是美国人 |
| 2289 | But I, no, no, no, no, no. | 但我,不,不,不,不,不,不。 |
| 2290 | It's the opposite. | 则相反. |
| 2291 | My best friend George has got this line. | 我最好的朋友乔治有这条线。 |
| 2292 | He says, British affliction is cynicism | 他说,英国人的痛苦是讽刺 |
| 2293 | and the American affliction is bullshit. | 而美国的痛苦是废话。 |
| 2294 | It's so true. | 如此真实. |
| 2295 | Two sides of the same, yeah. | 一样的两面,是的。 |
| 2296 | It's so true, right? | 这是真的,对不对? |
| 2297 | That one is feet are too- | 那个是脚太... |
| 2298 | One is like, I'm better than I really am. | 一个是,我比我真正的好。 |
| 2299 | One is feet are too hard on the ground | 一是脚太硬了 |
| 2300 | and one is head is too high in the clouds. | 一者是头在云中太高. |
| 2301 | Ah, good, nice. | 啊,不错,不错。 |
| 2302 | Yeah, I think it's beautiful. | 是的,我觉得它很漂亮。 |
| 2303 | But I just, what it made me think about | 但我只是,是什么让我思考 |
| 2304 | is I did my first work in progress show last night | 昨晚我第一次在进步节目里表演 |
| 2305 | here in Austin, I do these secret shows | 在奥斯汀,我做这些秘密节目 |
| 2306 | and there's 50 people. | 还有五十个人 |
| 2307 | So I'm not working out the material. | 所以我没有想出材料。 |
| 2308 | I'm talking to people live. | 我在跟人说话 |
| 2309 | So I'm- | 所以我会... |
| 2310 | Getting feedback. | 获得反馈. |
| 2311 | Almost, yeah, doing DVD extra commentary of like, | 几乎,是的,做DVD 额外的评论喜欢, |
| 2312 | okay, so this is where I'm at. | 好吧,所以这就是我的位置。 |
| 2313 | I'm basically talking to myself, | 我基本上在自言自语 |
| 2314 | but there's a room of people that are listening to me | 但有人在听我说话 |
| 2315 | pontificate to me about whatever. | 对我说点什么 |
| 2316 | Anyway, the tall poppy thing is kind of there. | 总之,高个子的罂粟就在那里 |
| 2317 | And I was, everybody had to, | 而我,每个人都不得不, |
| 2318 | cause it's all Americans, obviously in Austin, | 因为都是美国人,显然在奥斯汀 |
| 2319 | I had to get them to pretend to be British. | 我得让他们装成英国人 |
| 2320 | And I was like, imagine that you're British for a second. | 我当时想,想象一下你是英国人 |
| 2321 | Of actually for the next hour and a half. | 接下来一个半小时。 |
| 2322 | I don't know if they could do that, but yeah. | 我不知道他们能不能做到这一点,但是是的。 |
| 2323 | Austinites. | 奥斯汀人 |
| 2324 | And the interesting thing | 还有有趣的事情 |
| 2325 | about the tall poppy syndrome culture, | 关于高的罂粟综合征培养, |
| 2326 | I can't think of a sociocultural influence | 我无法想象社会文化的影响 |
| 2327 | that is more high friction for excellence | 这对优秀来说更是摩擦 |
| 2328 | than something like that. | 而不是那种东西。 |
| 2329 | We haven't talked about culture, right? | 我们还没谈文化,对吧? |
| 2330 | Because you know, when you say like, | 因为你知道,当你说喜欢, |
| 2331 | if you start out with the obvious and everyone can do it, | 如果你从显而易见的开始 每个人都能做到 |
| 2332 | but maybe everyone isn't doing it, | 但也许每个人都不这样做, |
| 2333 | it really is like, what's within three feet of you? | 这真的就像, 什么是在你三英尺之内? |
| 2334 | Push it away if you don't want to do it, | 如果你不想做就把它推开 |
| 2335 | like move it in, like decorate your space. | 像移动它, 像装饰你的空间。 |
| 2336 | Okay, fine. | 好吧,没事。 |
| 2337 | Culture is the exact opposite. | 文化正好相反。 |
| 2338 | Culture is like all encompassing, it's abstract, | 文化就像包罗万象,很抽象 |
| 2339 | but it's also the most powerful thing you can do, right? | 但它也是你所能做的最强大的事,对不对? |
| 2340 | And when you're in a culture of excellence, | 当你进入一个优秀的文化, |
| 2341 | you know, one of the reasons why Michael Phelps | 迈克尔·菲尔普斯的原因之一 |
| 2342 | ended up being excellent is because he's Michael Phelps. | 最终表现得很好 是因为他是迈克尔·菲尔普斯 |
| 2343 | But another is that Bob Bowman | 但另一个是鲍勃·鲍曼 |
| 2344 | created a culture of excellence, right? | 创造了优秀的文化,对吧? |
| 2345 | Like it's the expectation. | 如是等觉. |
| 2346 | What does a culture of excellence look like | 优秀文化是什么样子的 |
| 2347 | and how can somebody engineer it themselves? | 怎么会有人自己设计呢? |
| 2348 | You know, what is excellence, right? | 你知道,什么是优秀,对不对? |
| 2349 | Excellence is like aspiring | 英才就像抱负 |
| 2350 | toward like a greater level achievement than you. | 就像比你们更伟大的成就 |
| 2351 | One definition, right? | 一个定义,对不对? |
| 2352 | Which is like aspiring to a greater level | 这就像一个更高的水平 |
| 2353 | of achievement than you have now, right? | 比你现在的成就,对不对? |
| 2354 | And one of the things that I think is a problem in society | 我觉得社会上有问题 |
| 2355 | is that there are people in places | 是这里有人 |
| 2356 | where that is the norm, right? | 哪里是规范,对不对? |
| 2357 | That we are striving, right? | 我们正在努力,对不对? |
| 2358 | Like, and whatever it is today, | 喜欢,不管它是什么今天, |
| 2359 | because I think excellence in, it's cliche, | 因为我认为优秀,这是陈词滥调, |
| 2360 | like is it a journey? | 就像旅行一样? |
| 2361 | Like that's the key to it though, right? | 就像这是关键 虽然它,对不对? |
| 2362 | It's not that there's a certain watermark, | 并不是说有某种水印 |
| 2363 | it's just that you're constantly trying to improve. | 只是你一直在努力改进 |
| 2364 | Like anything you do, I am sure you came home | 跟你一样,我确定你回来了 |
| 2365 | from your first try and was like, | 从你第一次尝试 和喜欢, |
| 2366 | I hope a list of things that you wanted to do differently. | 我希望你想做一些别的事 |
| 2367 | You're like, oh, I didn't. | 你就像,哦,我没有。 |
| 2368 | So these adjustments, I think a culture of excellence | 所以这些调整,我认为是一种优秀的文化 |
| 2369 | where that is the norm | 如果这是常规 |
| 2370 | and that that's what everybody is trying to do. | 这也是每个人都想做的。 |
| 2371 | And when you describe tall poppy syndrome, right? | 当你描述 高罂粟综合征,对不对? |
| 2372 | Where it's like quite literally the opposite, right? | 哪里是完全相反,对不对? |
| 2373 | That like, if you do it, it's embarrassing, it's shameful | 那样的话,如果你这样做,这很丢脸,很丢人 |
| 2374 | and like it's punished, right? | 喜欢它的惩罚,对不对? |
| 2375 | That's the opposite. | 则相反. |
| 2376 | So I will say that if you really wanna change, | 所以我会说,如果你真的想改变, |
| 2377 | and I know most people won't move, right? | 我知道大多数人不会动 对吧? |
| 2378 | The one thing people are very reluctant, | 有一件事人们很不情愿 |
| 2379 | I'll say this, some people can't move, right? | 我这么说吧 有些人动不了 对吧 |
| 2380 | It's too expensive. | 太贵了 |
| 2381 | But it's the one life change | 但生命的改变 |
| 2382 | that people most don't want to do. | 大多数人不想这样做。 |
| 2383 | Why do I know that? | 为什么我知道? |
| 2384 | There was an economist named Steven Levitt | 有个叫史蒂芬·莱维特的经济学家 |
| 2385 | who was very interested in what's called status quo bias. | 他对所谓的现状偏见很感兴趣 |
| 2386 | It's your tendency to cling to what you have. | 这是你的倾向 坚持你所拥有的。 |
| 2387 | Like I live in Philadelphia | 就像我住在费城 |
| 2388 | and I have to live in Philadelphia | 我必须住在费城 |
| 2389 | and you start making lists of all the reasons | 你开始列出所有原因 |
| 2390 | why you can't move out of Philadelphia. | 为什么你不能搬出费城? |
| 2391 | For me, it's like my mother-in-law lives there, | 对我来说,就像我岳母住在那里 |
| 2392 | my mom lives there, my work is there, | 我妈妈住在那里,我的工作在那里, |
| 2393 | my friends are there, so you can make a very long list. | 我的朋友在那里,所以你可以做一个非常长的清单。 |
| 2394 | But what Steven Levitt wanted to say in his research | 但是史蒂芬·莱维特在他的研究中想说的是 |
| 2395 | was there may be actually times | 如果真的有时间 |
| 2396 | where you actually make both lists, | 在那里你实际上做了两个列表, |
| 2397 | like the list of reasons to stay and list of reasons, | 就像留下的理由和理由清单 |
| 2398 | and actually the lists are equally long | 其实名单也一样长 |
| 2399 | and maybe you intellectually realize | 也许你在智力上意识到 |
| 2400 | that the list of reasons to go is longer, right? | 原因的清单 走了更长,对不对? |
| 2401 | And status quo bias is the irrational, | 而现状的偏见是非理性的, |
| 2402 | like steadfast clinging to the way things are. | 犹如坚忍不拔, |
| 2403 | So he has a flip the coin experiment. | 因此,他有一个翻转的硬币实验。 |
| 2404 | You flip the coin, its heads, you change | 你翻硬币,它的头,你改变 |
| 2405 | and its tails, you stay, right? | 和它的尾巴,你留下来,对不对? |
| 2406 | But for anything that you're trying to decide. | 但对于任何你想决定的事情 |
| 2407 | So he has people do this experiment | 所以他让别人做这个实验 |
| 2408 | but they get to decide what they're flipping the coin for. | 但是他们可以决定他们翻硬币的目的 |
| 2409 | And some people are like, should I get a tattoo? | 有些人喜欢, 我应该得到一个纹身? |
| 2410 | Like, should I break up with my boyfriend? | 我该和我男朋友分手吗? |
| 2411 | I mean, these are literally things that people wrote down. | 我的意思是,这些其实是 人们写下来的东西。 |
| 2412 | One of the items was, should I move? | 其中一个是,我该搬走吗? |
| 2413 | So there are a great number of people in this experiment | 所以这个实验中有很多人 |
| 2414 | who when asked the question, | 当他被询问的时候, |
| 2415 | like what is a life decision you're struggling with? | 就像你挣扎的人生决定是什么? |
| 2416 | And you really don't know | 你真的不知道吗 |
| 2417 | whether you should change or stay. | 您是否应该改变或留下来。 |
| 2418 | I don't know if I should move, right? | 我不知道我该不该搬家,对吧? |
| 2419 | So in this experiment, he flips the coin for you. | 所以在这个实验中,他为你翻硬币。 |
| 2420 | There's like literally this electronic coin | 就像是这枚电子硬币 |
| 2421 | and he was like, heads, change. | 他像,头,改变。 |
| 2422 | You're moving. | 你动了 |
| 2423 | Tails, right? | 纹身 对吧? |
| 2424 | And you didn't, you know, feeling like | 而你没有,你知道,感觉 |
| 2425 | should you get the tattoo? | 要不要纹身? |
| 2426 | Yes, you know, like should I not get the tattoo? | 是的,你知道,像 我不得到纹身? |
| 2427 | So in his data, the one thing that people are most reluctant | 所以在他的数据里,人们最不情愿的一件事 |
| 2428 | to follow the advice, heads, change, is where they live. | 要听从建议,头,改变,就是他们住的地方. |
| 2429 | So when you talk about like, okay, living in, you know, | 所以,当你谈论 像,好吧,生活,你知道, |
| 2430 | it's different when you grow up | 长大以后就不一样了 |
| 2431 | in the United Kingdom than here. | 在英国 比这里。 |
| 2432 | It's different when you grow up in Philadelphia than Austin. | 在费城长大时与奥斯汀不同. |
| 2433 | I think the biggest change you can make in your life | 我认为你生命中最大的变化 |
| 2434 | is to change your zip code. | 是要改变你的拉链代码。 |
| 2435 | The biggest change is change the culture | 最大的变化是改变文化 |
| 2436 | of where you spend 24 hours a day. | 你一天24小时都呆在那里 |
| 2437 | Because when you change that, you change your mentors | 因为当你改变这一点, 你改变你的导师 |
| 2438 | and your peers and your physical environment. | 以及你的同伴和身体环境。 |
| 2439 | But it's the one thing that people are most reluctant to do. | 但这是人们最不愿意做的事. |
| 2440 | And I think people should do it more. | 我认为人们应该做更多的。 |
| 2441 | The Economist magazine, which is, it is British, is it not? | 《经济学家》杂志是英国的,不是吗? |
| 2442 | I believe it is. | 我认为是的。 |
| 2443 | It seems like, okay, this is how little I know | 似乎,好吧,这是多小的我知道 |
| 2444 | about the world, but we subscribe and my husband reads it. | 关于世界,但我们同意 我丈夫读它。 |
| 2445 | When the Economist magazine put out their guide | 当《经济学家》杂志公布指南时 |
| 2446 | to big life decisions, they said based on economic research, | 他们说,根据经济研究, |
| 2447 | and it's true, the single highest effective thing | 这是真的, 唯一的最高效果的东西 |
| 2448 | that you could do to change your life is to move | 你可以改变你的生活 就是移动 |
| 2449 | to a zip code with greater opportunity, | 给一个有更大机会的拉链码, |
| 2450 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}还有史蒂夫·莱文的研究 | |
| 2451 | and others would suggest like, | 其他人建议, |
| 2452 | it's the one thing we don't want to do. | 这是我们不想做的一件事。 |
| 2453 | So you moved here. | 所以你搬到这里了 |
| 2454 | I did. | 没错 |
| 2455 | And like- | 还有... |
| 2456 | It was terrifying. | 这是可怕的。 |
| 2457 | And was it an accident or was it- | 是意外还是... |
| 2458 | No, it was completely terrifying. | 不,这是完全可怕的。 |
| 2459 | And why did you do it then? | 那你为什么这么做? |
| 2460 | Because I was sick of the UK. | 因为我讨厌英国 |
| 2461 | You know, I'd met a million people running nightclubs | 你知道,我见过一百万人 经营夜总会 |
| 2462 | and I had a handful of friends, which was great, | 我有一些朋友,这是伟大的, |
| 2463 | but my friendship exposure to conversion ratio was not, | 但我的友谊曝光 转换比率不是, |
| 2464 | it's not fantastic, right? | 这不妙吧? |
| 2465 | My funnel wasn't funneling in internet marketing speak. | 我的漏斗不是在网络营销演讲中漏斗 |
| 2466 | I was seeing so many people and I felt out of place. | 我看见这么多人,我觉得不合适 |
| 2467 | Right. | 对 |
| 2468 | You didn't have your tribe then. | 你当时没有你的部落。 |
| 2469 | No, I was really, my exposure to people was high. | 不,我真的, 我接触人们是很高的。 |
| 2470 | No one can say that, but I've met more people, | 没人能这么说 但我见过更多的人 |
| 2471 | I've shook more hands in person than most people, | 我亲自握手比大多数人多 |
| 2472 | except for like international diplomats, right? | 除了像国际外交官,对不对? |
| 2473 | So I'd really done the thing. | 所以我真的做了这件事。 |
| 2474 | And I felt like I'd kind of completed a lot. | 我觉得我会完成很多事情 |
| 2475 | And the UK, there's many things, | 英国有很多事情 |
| 2476 | I have to do the fucking throat clearing of like, | 我必须去清理喉咙 |
| 2477 | well, it was very nice with this thing and all the rest of it. | 嗯,这是非常好的 与这个东西和所有它的其他部分。 |
| 2478 | It's wet and cold a lot. | 湿寒甚. |
| 2479 | I wasn't, I didn't feel like I fitted in | 我没有,我觉得我不适合 |
| 2480 | from a cultural perspective that- | 从文化角度看... |
| 2481 | Was it because you had tall, poppy ambitions? | 是因为你有高高的罂粟野心吗? |
| 2482 | Or is it like more than that? | 还是更像? |
| 2483 | That feels self-aggrandizing, | 这感觉自大, |
| 2484 | which this in itself is a British, | 这本身就是一个英国人, |
| 2485 | I've got British syndrome happening right now. | 我现在有英国综合症 |
| 2486 | It's happening right before my eyes. | 它发生在我眼前 |
| 2487 | What I will say is that ambition is not curated. | 我要说的是,雄心壮志不是包罗万象的。 |
| 2488 | You're ambitious. | 你很有抱负 |
| 2489 | And so when you fit in here. | 所以当你适应在这里。 |
| 2490 | I very much, I feel more, apart from in terms of the accent, | 我非常觉得,除了口音, |
| 2491 | I feel more at home in the US than I have for most of my life. | 我在美国的家感觉比大部分时间都好 |
| 2492 | Because it is currently the center of the universe | 因为它现在是宇宙的中心 |
| 2493 | for podcasting. | 为播客。 |
| 2494 | It is, by the way, what the hell? | 顺便说一句,这是什么? |
| 2495 | I think apart from LA, it's got more people in the top 10. | 我认为除了洛杉矶,它有更多的人在前十。 |
| 2496 | In fact, it might have the most number of people | 事实上,它可能拥有最多的人 |
| 2497 | in the top 10 of anywhere. | 在任何地方的前十名。 |
| 2498 | LA will be closed because Jay and Steven are there | 洛杉矶会关门的 因为杰伊和史蒂文在那里 |
| 2499 | and maybe Alex- | 也许亚历克斯... |
| 2500 | And Dax. | 还有达克斯 |
| 2501 | And Dax, I don't know if Dax was in the top 10 last year. | 达克斯 我不知道达克斯去年是不是排在前十 |
| 2502 | He might've been. | 他可能已经。 |
| 2503 | But anyway, it's got a great community of people here. | 但无论如何,它有一个伟大的社区 在这里的人。 |
| 2504 | Everyone's a cultural refugee from somewhere else, | 每个人都是其他地方的文化难民 |
| 2505 | which meant that social groups | 这意味着社会团体 |
| 2506 | hadn't had a chance to ossify. | 还没有机会去骨化。 |
| 2507 | Interestingly, there's a lady called Tracy Viancall. | 有趣的是 有个叫崔西·维安考尔的女士 |
| 2508 | You might not be interested in this, but it's kind of cool. | 你也许对这个没兴趣 不过这很酷 |
| 2509 | The reason that bullying exists in schools | 学校中存在欺凌现象的原因 |
| 2510 | more than exists anywhere else | 超过其他任何地方 |
| 2511 | is because the amount of time that social networks | 是因为社交网络的时间 |
| 2512 | have had to be in stasis and to ossify. | 不得不沉迷于僵化和骨折之中。 |
| 2513 | Like you get to stratify out where the pecking order is. | 就像你得到的分层 出哪里的啄花顺序。 |
| 2514 | Whereas if there's too much migration- | 如果移民过多的话... |
| 2515 | If there's too much mobility and so forth, | 如果有太多的流动性等等, |
| 2516 | you don't get this like- | 你这样子不会... |
| 2517 | It's inside of a fucking company | 它就在他妈的公司里 |
| 2518 | that people work at for life. | 人们为生活工作。 |
| 2519 | People come, people go, so on and so forth. | 人来人去,人来人去,等等. |
| 2520 | To people that stay- | 给留下来的人 |
| 2521 | Right, then you have like the same kids for 12 years. | 对,那你12年来都喜欢同样的孩子 |
| 2522 | That's why bullying exists. | 这就是为什么欺凌存在。 |
| 2523 | And Austin is basically a passing point | 而奥斯汀基本上是一个通过点 |
| 2524 | for a lot of people. | 对很多人来说 |
| 2525 | They've been here for one year or three years | 他们在这里已经一年三年了 |
| 2526 | or six years or something, but no one's been here. | 或六年左右, 但没有人在这里。 |
| 2527 | No one was born here. | 没有人在这里出生。 |
| 2528 | Like there's basically nobody in Austin | 就像奥斯丁基本上没有人 |
| 2529 | that lives here was born here, essentially. | 住在这里是在这里出生的,基本上。 |
| 2530 | I have not met anybody who's like, except for the mayor. | 除了市长,我还没遇到什么人 |
| 2531 | I think she was born here. | 我想她是在这里出生的 |
| 2532 | Okay, so if you wanna be a great podcaster, go to Austin. | 好吧,所以如果你想成为 一个伟大的脚踏车, 去奥斯汀。 |
| 2533 | If you wanna be a great artist, | 如果你想成为一个伟大的艺术家, |
| 2534 | don't try to do it in the middle of, well. | 不要试图做到这一点 在中间,嗯。 |
| 2535 | Probably for the best. | 也许是最好的。 |
| 2536 | I was gonna say like a few, like Kansas, right? | 我想说,像几个,像堪萨斯,对不对? |
| 2537 | So this is the thing. | 这就是问题所在。 |
| 2538 | That's why the power of moving, right? | 这就是为什么移动的力量,对不对? |
| 2539 | And you're the rare person who moved. | 而你是罕有的移动者. |
| 2540 | Yeah, and the escape velocity to do it is quite high. | 是啊,而且逃跑的速度 是相当高的。 |
| 2541 | Gravity's heavy when you're doing that thing. | 重力很重 当你这样做。 |
| 2542 | It's operationally difficult. | 操作困难. |
| 2543 | There's lots and lots of friction. | 摩擦之多而多. |
| 2544 | It's scary. | 令人惊骇. |
| 2545 | You're gonna go to this country on your own. | 你要独自去这个国家 |
| 2546 | Doesn't it suck at the beginning? | 一开始不很烂吗? |
| 2547 | It's, well, I mean. | 我是说... |
| 2548 | Like almost certainly it's got at the very beginning. | 就像几乎肯定 它在一开始。 |
| 2549 | The excitement for me was so great. | 我太兴奋了 |
| 2550 | I was like, oh my God, I'm actually doing the thing. | 我当时想,哦,我的上帝, 实际上我在做这件事。 |
| 2551 | Okay, okay. | 好,好,好,我们走 |
| 2552 | Was enough to get me over that. | 足够让我渡过难关了 |
| 2553 | I'm interested in, obviously you've been | 我感兴趣,显然你一直 |
| 2554 | through the burnout thing. | 通过燃烧的东西。 |
| 2555 | New book, congratulations. | 新书 恭喜 |
| 2556 | It was very, very wonderful. | 这是非常,非常美妙的。 |
| 2557 | And you've taken a topic that's important | 而你把一个重要话题 |
| 2558 | and made it interesting and accessible. | 并让它有趣和无障碍。 |
| 2559 | I hope so. | 我希望是这样。 |
| 2560 | What are you going to curse yourself with after this? | 之后你要用什么诅咒自己? |
| 2561 | Ha ha, not another book. | 哈哈,不是另一本书。 |
| 2562 | I'll tell you what I think is on the horizon for me | 我告诉你我的想法 |
| 2563 | as a research scientist. | 作为一个研究科学家。 |
| 2564 | And I did put my heart and soul into this book, | 我把心和灵魂都写进了这本书 |
| 2565 | but I am a scientist. | 但我是一个科学家。 |
| 2566 | So I think the seismic changes in technology, | 所以,我认为地震 改变的技术, |
| 2567 | phones, social media, AI, everyone's talking about it. | 电话,社交媒体,AI,每个人都在谈论它。 |
| 2568 | But as a behavioral scientist, | 但作为一个行为科学家, |
| 2569 | I can't say that I have seen anything | 我不能说我看到了什么 |
| 2570 | that's changing the way we spend time, | 这改变了我们的时间 |
| 2571 | the way we do or don't socialize, | 我们做或不社交的方式, |
| 2572 | the way we exercise, the way we do everything. | 我们的锻炼方式, 我们所做的一切。 |
| 2573 | Religions, that's greater than the things | 宗教,比事物还伟大 |
| 2574 | that are happening right now with AI, with screens. | 正在发生 与AI, 屏幕。 |
| 2575 | Human life doesn't look like it did 50 years ago | 人类生活不像50年前那样 |
| 2576 | or even 20 years ago. | 甚至是20年前的事了 |
| 2577 | So I'm going to study that. | 所以,我要研究这一点。 |
| 2578 | I won't write a book about it, | 我不会写一本书 |
| 2579 | but I feel like I've done my work. | 但我觉得自己完成了我的工作 |
| 2580 | I've done the inside game of success, | 我做了内在的成功游戏, |
| 2581 | and now I've done the outside game of success. | 现在,我已经做了 外部游戏的成功。 |
| 2582 | And now I just want to understand | 现在我只想了解 |
| 2583 | how in this new world, people can be successful. | 在这个新世界里,人们如何能够成功。 |
| 2584 | Unreal. | 不真实. |
| 2585 | Angela Duckworth 女士们先生们 | |
| 2586 | Where should people go to check out everything you're doing? | 人们应该去哪里检查你在做什么? |
| 2587 | I have no idea. | 我不知道,我还不知道 |
| 2588 | I'm not very good at influencing. | 我不太擅长影响。 |
| 2589 | You are horrendous at influencing. | 你对影响是可怕的。 |
| 2590 | I don't know where to send people. | 不知何处送人. |
| 2591 | I'm a terrible influencer. | 我是一个可怕的影响者。 |
| 2592 | Have you got a website? | 你有网站吗? |
| 2593 | What's the website? | 网站是什么? |
| 2594 | I have a website. | 我有一个网站。 |
| 2595 | 这是Angeladuckworth.com. (原始内容存档于2017-03-09). | |
| 2596 | Wonderful. | 真不错 |
| 2597 | And the book is called? | 那书叫什么? |
| 2598 | Situated. | 设位. |
| 2599 | Fantastic. | 厉害 |
| 2600 | And it is available? | 它可以吗? |
| 2601 | It is available everywhere. | 它无处不在。 |
| 2602 | Fantastic. | 厉害 |
| 2603 | That's it. | 就这样 |
| 2604 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 2605 | You did it. | 你办到了 |
| 2606 | Goodbye, my beauties. | 再见,我的美人 |
| 2607 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 2608 | That was so fun. | 这太有趣了。 |
| 2609 | You're the best. | 尔时优婆夷. |
| 2610 | Awesome, awesome. | 赞,赞。 |
| 2611 | A quick note. | 速记. |
| 2612 | Lots of people tell us that YouTube unsubscribes them | 很多人告诉我们,YouTube不订阅他们 |
| 2613 | from the channel, even though they already pressed it. | 尽管他们已经按了 |
| 2614 | So just check down there | 所以,只要看看那边 |
| 2615 | and see if the subscribe button is pressed. | 并查看是否按下订阅按钮。 |
| 2616 | You get access to episodes before anybody else. | 你比其他人更有机会看电影 |
| 2617 | If you do support me and the show helps me | 如果你真的支持我 演出会帮助我 |
| 2618 | to bring you bigger and better guests. | 给你带来更多更好的客人 |
| 2619 | And it makes me very happy. | 这让我非常高兴。 |
| 2620 | So just go and give it a tap for me. | 那就去给我打个电话吧 |
| 2621 | I thank you. | 谢谢 |
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