（中英附文稿）百事前董事长：目标定了，事情却推不动？从一线问
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| 0:00 | Growing up in an environment where India had just come out of 350 years of British rule, | 在一个印度刚刚走出350年英国统治的环境里长大, |
| 0:05 | you sit there going, I have to pull myself up. | 你坐在那里去, 我必须拉自己起来。 |
| 0:08 | You had a conversation once with Steve Jobs where he told you not to be too nice. | 你和史蒂夫·乔布斯谈过一次 他告诉你不要太好 |
| 0:12 | How did that candid conversation influence how you ran PepsiCo? | 那坦率的对话如何影响 你是如何运行百事公司? |
| 0:16 | I think the biggest lesson I took away was he said, what I was focused on was micro-understanding. | 我认为我学到的最大教训是 他说,我的重点是微观理解。 |
| 0:22 | Because if you don't understand the business down to where the rubber meets the road, | 因为如果你不理解生意 下到橡胶与道路相遇的地方 |
| 0:27 | you can make decisions at the top which are not implementable. | 您可以在顶端做出无法执行的决定。 |
| 0:31 | The business was a multi-multi-billion dollar business. | 该企业是一个价值数十亿美元的业务。 |
| 0:34 | And remember, if you don't earn your place, the people below you are waiting to push you out. | 记住,如果你得不到你的位置, 你下面的人等着把你赶出去。 |
| 0:39 | So people don't realize that as you get more senior in an organization, it's up or out. | 所以人们不会意识到,当你在一个组织里 取得更高的地位, 它的上升或退出。 |
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| 1 | Growing up in an environment where India had just come out of 350 years of British rule, | 在一个印度刚刚走出350年英国统治的环境里长大, |
| 2 | you sit there going, I have to pull myself up. | 你坐在那里去, 我必须拉自己起来。 |
| 3 | You had a conversation once with Steve Jobs where he told you not to be too nice. | 你和史蒂夫·乔布斯谈过一次 他告诉你不要太好 |
| 4 | How did that candid conversation influence how you ran PepsiCo? | 那坦率的对话如何影响 你是如何运行百事公司? |
| 5 | I think the biggest lesson I took away was he said, what I was focused on was micro-understanding. | 我认为我学到的最大教训是 他说,我的重点是微观理解。 |
| 6 | Because if you don't understand the business down to where the rubber meets the road, | 因为如果你不理解生意 下到橡胶与道路相遇的地方 |
| 7 | you can make decisions at the top which are not implementable. | 您可以在顶端做出无法执行的决定。 |
| 8 | The business was a multi-multi-billion dollar business. | 该企业是一个价值数十亿美元的业务。 |
| 9 | And remember, if you don't earn your place, the people below you are waiting to push you out. | 记住,如果你得不到你的位置, 你下面的人等着把你赶出去。 |
| 10 | So people don't realize that as you get more senior in an organization, it's up or out. | 所以人们不会意识到,当你在一个组织里 取得更高的地位, 它的上升或退出。 |
| 11 | I want to start with this wonderful story about you and your husband. | 我想从你和你丈夫的精彩故事开始 |
| 12 | When you first met, you went to a movie and you watched Silver Streak at the Sandburg Theatre. | 初次见面时,你去看电影,并在桑德堡剧院观看了"银条"(Silver Streak). |
| 13 | Then you went out to dinner after and you decided to get married. | 然后,你出去吃饭 之后,你决定结婚。 |
| 14 | But you're still not sure who asked who, who proposed to who. | 但你还不知道是谁问谁 谁向谁求婚的 |
| 15 | I want the real story here. | 我要的是真实的故事 |
| 16 | That is the story. | 这就是故事。 |
| 17 | Sometimes I tell him, why did you rush this proposal? | 有时候我告诉他 你为什么匆忙提出这个建议? |
| 18 | I wanted to be dated and wooed and dined and wine. | 我想被约会 求爱 吃饭 喝酒 |
| 19 | And he said, I didn't propose to you, you proposed to me. | 他说我没有向你求婚 你向我求婚了 |
| 20 | So I said, why did you accept if I proposed to you? | 所以我说 如果我向你求婚 你为什么接受? |
| 21 | He says, I don't know. | 他说,我不知道。 |
| 22 | It was just destined to be that way. | 注定会这样 |
| 23 | And I think over summer, even though we didn't spend much time together one-on-one, | 我想过夏天 尽管我们没有花太多时间在一起 |
| 24 | there must have been some spark. | 一定有一些火花。 |
| 25 | And he's just a very good guy, to be honest. | 老实说 他是个好人 |
| 26 | And I guess he thought I was a pretty good person too. | 我猜他觉得我是个好人 |
| 27 | And so it was just a meeting of the minds, value system, families, every which way. | 所以,这只是一个聚会 思想,价值系统,家庭, 每一个方式。 |
| 28 | And I said, yes, without being wined and dined. | 我说,是的,没有被赢得和吃。 |
| 29 | And he said, yes, without dating me and getting to know me. | 他说,是的,没有和我约会,也没有了解我。 |
| 30 | And the rest is history. | 其余为历史. |
| 31 | 45 years later, we can look back and say, huh, who proposed to whom again? | 45年后,我们可以回头看,说,嗯,谁又向谁求婚了? |
| 32 | That's such an incredible story. | 真是个不可思议的故事 |
| 33 | I love these stories of couples that just, it clicks right away. | 我喜欢这些情侣的故事 只是,它点击马上。 |
| 34 | You might not know each other as well as some other people who get married. | 你们可能不像其他结婚的人一样了解对方 |
| 35 | And it just works out. | 它只是工作出来。 |
| 36 | My aunt and uncle have never actually dated another person. | 我姨妈和舅舅从没和别人约会过 |
| 37 | They started dating at 13 and they are still happily married today. | 他们13岁开始约会 他们今天仍然幸福地结婚 |
| 38 | It's incredible. | 不可思议. |
| 39 | Maybe that's the reason we're happily married, | 也许这就是我们幸福婚姻的原因 |
| 40 | because we started to date each other after we got married. | 因为我们结婚后开始约会 |
| 41 | And we started to discover each other after we got married. | 我们结婚后开始发现彼此 |
| 42 | So we had that long process of discovery. | 所以我们有 漫长的发现过程。 |
| 43 | And in spite of that, we kind of liked each other, loved each other. | 尽管如此,我们还是喜欢对方,爱对方 |
| 44 | That's incredible. | 不可思议. |
| 45 | I want to go back to your childhood in India. | 我想回到你在印度的童年时光 |
| 46 | Are there memories or lessons that stand out from your mom | 你妈妈有记忆或教训吗? |
| 47 | that you still carry with you today? | 你今天还带着你吗? |
| 48 | It's mom, dad, grandfather, the whole extended family is not just the mother. | 是妈妈,爸爸,爷爷 整个大家庭不只是母亲 |
| 49 | And I think that it was a focus on excellence and doing well. | 我认为,这是对优秀和良好表现的关注。 |
| 50 | It was sort of beaten to us. | 它有点打我们。 |
| 51 | If you're going to do something, do it well. | 如果你要做点什么 那就好好做 |
| 52 | If you can't get good grades, then what's your value to society? | 如果你拿不到好成绩 那你对社会的价值是什么? |
| 53 | What are you going to do for society? | 你要为社会做什么? |
| 54 | So it was always this thing about push yourself. | 所以总是这样 推自己。 |
| 55 | Don't sit idle. | 别闲坐. |
| 56 | Satan has worked for idle hands. | 撒旦为闲手可得 |
| 57 | If you can read in every spare minute, do it. | 如果你每分每秒都能读到,就照做 |
| 58 | That's the environment we grew up in. | 这就是我们成长的环境。 |
| 59 | And we couldn't go complain to somebody else because our entire community was that way. | 我们不能去抱怨别人 因为整个社区都是这样。 |
| 60 | And so you sit there going, who am I going to complain to? | 所以你坐在那里去, 我要抱怨谁? |
| 61 | If I complain to an aunt or an uncle, they'll say, oh, I'm doing the same with my kids. | 如果我向姑妈或叔叔抱怨 他们会说,哦,我对我的孩子也一样 |
| 62 | So we grew up in an environment where everybody was being pushed. | 因此,我们成长在一个环境 所有人都被推。 |
| 63 | And we were being pushed because we were growing up in an environment | 我们被推 因为我们在环境中长大 |
| 64 | where India had just come out of 350 years of British rule. | 印度刚刚摆脱了350年的英国统治 |
| 65 | And it was trying to find its place in society. | 它试图找到它在社会中的地位。 |
| 66 | And we were looking at other countries and saying, | 我们看着其他国家说, |
| 67 | wow, they could be growth. | 哇,他们可能是成长。 |
| 68 | They can be innovation. | 它们可以是创新。 |
| 69 | The economy could get a whole lot better. | 经济可以改善很多。 |
| 70 | And so everybody needs to pull themselves up to contribute to the country | 所以每个人都需要振作起来 为国家做出贡献 |
| 71 | in order to make the country better. | 为了让国家变得更好 |
| 72 | So that was the goal to push young people. | 这就是推动年轻人的目标。 |
| 73 | And so you sit there going, I have to pull myself up. | 所以你坐在那里去, 我不得不拉自己起来。 |
| 74 | The family pushed you, but you have to pull yourself up. | 家人推你,但你必须振作起来。 |
| 75 | Everything in my childhood was about that. | 我童年的一切都是这样的 |
| 76 | It was about working hard, being a team member at home, doing chores. | 这是关于努力工作, 当一个小组成员在家里,做家务。 |
| 77 | Not having much money at all, but lots of discipline, freedom within a frame. | 一点钱都没有,但纪律很严明 自由在框架之内 |
| 78 | That's what I remember. | 这就是我记得的。 |
| 79 | But work hard, study hard, and be viewed as a reliable person. | 但是努力工作,努力学习,并被视为可靠的人. |
| 80 | If you promise something, deliver it. | 如果你答应什么,就把它交出来。 |
| 81 | Unless you're dead, you will deliver it. | 除非你死了,你会送去的 |
| 82 | When you came over, like growing up in that environment, | 你过来的时候 就像在那种环境中长大 |
| 83 | when you came over and you went to Yale, were you like, | 当你过来,你去了耶鲁,你喜欢, |
| 84 | these people don't work as hard as I do. | 这些人没有我那么努力 |
| 85 | They don't come from this environment where you're struggling to break out | 他们不是来自这个环境 你挣扎着要突围 |
| 86 | and you're sort of driven by your parents | 你被父母驱使着 |
| 87 | and everything around you is sort of pushing you forward. | 你身边的一切 都在推动你前进 |
| 88 | And there's no option for failure. | 而且失败是没有选择的. |
| 89 | You have to succeed and you have to keep going. | 你必须成功,你必须坚持下去。 |
| 90 | I actually came here, I was in awe of everybody I met. | 我其实是来到这里, 我敬畏我遇到的每一个人。 |
| 91 | And I tell you why, because there we worked hard | 我告诉你为什么,因为我们在那里努力工作 |
| 92 | because the simple things in life we didn't have. | 因为我们生活中没有简单的东西 |
| 93 | If you wanted to iron your uniform, half the time there was no power. | 如果你想熨你的制服, 一半的时间没有力量。 |
| 94 | So you had irons with hot coal inside them. | 所以你有铁 里面有热煤。 |
| 95 | You have spray starch here. | 这里有喷洒淀粉 |
| 96 | You know, when I was in a Catholic school, the uniform had to be starched. | 你知道,当我在天主教学校, 制服必须淀粉。 |
| 97 | And you had to show up looking very crisp. | 你不得不露面 看起来非常精致。 |
| 98 | Here you just buy spray starch and you spray it and you iron it on. | 在这里,你只是购买喷雾淀粉, 你喷它,你熨它。 |
| 99 | There you had to make your own starch at home. | 你不得不在家里做自己的淀粉 |
| 100 | And sometimes it would be clumps that would land on the uniform | 有时会是夹子 降落在制服上 |
| 101 | because you didn't really cook out the clumps and the starch that you made. | 因为你没有真正烹饪出 胶片和你做的淀粉。 |
| 102 | And so we spent a lot of time doing things that people here didn't have to think about. | 所以我们花了很多时间 做一些人们不需要考虑的事情。 |
| 103 | You just went to the store and bought it or you had electricity, you had water. | 你刚去商店买了它 或者你有电,你有水。 |
| 104 | So you took all that for granted. | 所以,你认为这一切是理所当然的。 |
| 105 | We had to spend a lot of time on those so-called unnecessary survival tasks growing up. | 我们不得不花很多时间去完成那些所谓的不必要的生存任务。 |
| 106 | So you come here and you watch everybody here going, | 所以,你来到这里,你看着 这里每个人都去, |
| 107 | wow, they're so brilliant. | 哇,他们是如此辉煌。 |
| 108 | They think differently. | 他们的想法不同 |
| 109 | They break boundaries. | 他们打破了界限。 |
| 110 | They're irreverent, but they're reverent also in their own ways. | 他们不耐烦,但他们也以自己的方式崇敬. |
| 111 | How does one become like that? | 怎么会变成这样? |
| 112 | You know, I was more on all of them rather than they don't work so hard. | 你知道,我更喜欢他们 而不是他们不这么努力。 |
| 113 | It's just that the working hard part was on stuff that was made easy in the United States. | 只是工作努力的部分 是在那些在美国变得容易的东西上。 |
| 114 | The price of development. | 发展的代价. |
| 115 | I never thought of it that way. | 我从来没这么想过 |
| 116 | Thank you for sharing that. | 谢谢大家分享 |
| 117 | There was a moment before you came over, you had just got a big promotion. | 你刚升职的时候 |
| 118 | And I think it was Norman. | 我想是诺曼干的 |
| 119 | And you went to talk to him and you said, should I take this? | 你去和他谈谈,你说,要我接这个吗? |
| 120 | Because you were about to take over 60% of the factory or go to Yale. | 因为你要接管60%的工厂 或者去耶鲁大学 |
| 121 | And walk me through that moment and what went into that decision. | 让我经历那个时刻 以及那个决定的内涵 |
| 122 | Because that's a huge promotion. | 因为这是一次巨大的晋升。 |
| 123 | That's incredible success. | 这是不可思议的成功。 |
| 124 | No question about it. | 毫无疑问 |
| 125 | I would have been incredibly young to run such a big part of the company. | 我本来会很年轻 经营公司这么大的一部分 |
| 126 | Would have been successful. | 本来是成功的 |
| 127 | Would have been in an environment that I was quite familiar with. | 本来是在我熟悉的环境中 |
| 128 | My expenses would have been nil because I would have had to live at home. | 我的费用本来是零的 因为我不得不住在家里。 |
| 129 | No issues with anything. | 没有什么问题 |
| 130 | But I had always dreamed about the United States because all my friends had come here | 但我一直梦想着美国 因为我所有的朋友都来到这里 |
| 131 | and loved American music, culture, innovation, entrepreneurship. | 并热爱美国的音乐,文化,创新,创业. |
| 132 | Everything I read about just fascinated me. | 我读到的每件事都让我着迷 |
| 133 | And at that time, we're not talking about the 70s. | 而当时,我们不是在谈论70年代. |
| 134 | America was the seat of culture and just brilliance. | 美国是文化和光辉的所在地。 |
| 135 | And as a young person growing up, your dream is to be part of this environment. | 作为一个年轻人长大了, 你的梦想就是成为这个环境的一部分。 |
| 136 | So I went to Norman and said, hey, Norman, look, this job you've offered me is fantastic. | 所以我去找诺曼,说,嘿,诺曼,你看, 你给我的这份工作太棒了。 |
| 137 | One side of me says, take it and grow in this culture and environment. | 我一边说,拿着它,在这种文化和环境中成长. |
| 138 | The other side of me says, be a rebel. | 我的另一边说 做个叛逆者 |
| 139 | Go and be part of this incredibly amazing country and culture and environment | 去加入这个令人难以置信的国家 以及文化和环境 |
| 140 | called the United States. | 给美国打电话 |
| 141 | And I knew one was risky and one was safe. | 我知道一个是危险的 一个是安全的。 |
| 142 | And something in me wanted to take that risky bet also. | 我有些东西也想冒险下注 |
| 143 | But Norman was clear. | 但诺曼很清楚 |
| 144 | He said, look, if I were you, I would take the risky bet. | 他说,你看,如果我是你, 我会冒险下注。 |
| 145 | Even though it would be a loss for me and the company, if I were you, | 虽然这对我和公司来说是损失 如果我是你 |
| 146 | I'd take the risky bet because you may not get this chance again. | 我会冒险下注 因为你可能不会再有机会了 |
| 147 | And even though I knew I was going to take on loan liabilities, I could fail. | 尽管我知道我要承担贷款负债,但还是会失败的. |
| 148 | I was an alien country that I didn't have too much family in. | 我是一个陌生的国家,我没有太多的家庭。 |
| 149 | Because I'd grown up with family, I decided to take the plunge. | 因为我和家人一起长大,我决定冒险 |
| 150 | Has that changed how you, when you were like the CEO of Pepsi, | 你就像百事公司总裁一样 |
| 151 | did that change how you develop people? | 这是否改变了你如何发展人类? |
| 152 | Where the best thing for Pepsi might have been for them to stay, | 百事可好的地方可能是他们留下来的地方 |
| 153 | but the best thing for them might have been for them to leave? | 对他们来说,最好的办法就是让他们离开。 |
| 154 | Well, at some point when people come to you and say, | 当人们来找你说 |
| 155 | I've got this great opportunity, you sit there going, | 我有一个很好的机会,你坐在那里去, |
| 156 | would they be better off leaving? | 他们离开会更好吗? |
| 157 | And in case I want them back, I can always go back and get them. | 如果我要他们回来,我总能回去拿 |
| 158 | Or are they better off staying at PepsiCo? | 还是他们最好留在百事公司? |
| 159 | Sometimes selfishly I look at this and say, | 有时我自私地看着这个说 |
| 160 | I'm actually better off if this person goes and gets this completely different experience | 我其实更好 如果这个人去 得到这种完全不同的经验 |
| 161 | because I can bring them back. | 因为我可以把他们带回来 |
| 162 | So you always look at this in a nice selfish way. | 所以,你总是以一个很好的自私的方式看待这个。 |
| 163 | I don't mean in a negative selfish way, in a nice selfish way. | 我不是说以消极的自私方式, 以良好的自私方式。 |
| 164 | Somebody went to a tech company, go there. | 有人去了一家科技公司 去那边 |
| 165 | I'm sure the allure of PepsiCo would make you want to come back if I wanted you back. | 我敢肯定,百事可乐的诱惑 会让你想回来,如果我想你回来。 |
| 166 | And now I have somebody who's got the PepsiCo pedigree, | 现在我有个人拥有百事可乐 |
| 167 | has got a tech background, and now can come back | 有技术背景,现在可以回来了 |
| 168 | and contribute to the company in profound ways or partner with me. | 并以深刻的方式为公司做出贡献 或者和我合作 |
| 169 | So I'd look at it that way. | 所以我会这样看待它。 |
| 170 | But if I felt that a person did not have much runway in PepsiCo, | 但如果我觉得有人在百事公司没有多少跑道 |
| 171 | I would also tell them very honestly that they might be viewed as a critical professional | 我还要告诉他们 老实说,他们可能被视为 一个关键的专业 |
| 172 | in PepsiCo. | 在百事可乐。 |
| 173 | They could have a career, but not a fantastic career. | 他们可以有事业,但不能有美好的事业。 |
| 174 | And if they got a better opportunity somewhere, | 如果他们有更好的机会, |
| 175 | I would provide the reference and I would help them find something. | 我会提供参考 并帮助他们找到一些东西。 |
| 176 | I think if you really care about people developing, you've got to think that way. | 如果你真的关心人的发展, 你必须这样想。 |
| 177 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 178 | After Yale, you went into the consulting business. | 耶鲁大学毕业后,你从事咨询业务. |
| 179 | What did you love about that? | 你爱什么? |
| 180 | It was a sink or swim place. | 那是个游泳池或游泳池 |
| 181 | I went to the Boston consulting group in Chicago. | 我去了芝加哥的波士顿咨询组 |
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