中期选举投票在即，万斯如何“市民大会”现场回应选民最尖锐的经
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:04 | A critical midterm election just days away. | 关键期中选举就在几天后举行。 |
| 0:08 | Are we ready to do what we need to do in November? | 我们准备好在11月做我们需要做的事了吗? |
| 0:11 | Americans are casting their ballots with everything on the line. | 美国人正在投他们的选票,一切在线上。 |
| 0:15 | The battle for Congress. | 国会之战. |
| 0:16 | Will Republicans still control the balance of power? | 共和党人还会控制权力的平衡吗? |
| 0:20 | Americans, you my friends, that's who we fight for. | 美国人,我的朋友,这就是我们为之奋斗的 |
| 0:23 | Tonight, CBS News presents Things That Matter with Vice President J.D. | 今晚,CBS新闻向副总裁J. D. |
| 0:29 | Vance. | 万斯(原变种). |
| 0:29 | We're doing everything that we can to bring down prices. | 我们正在竭尽全力降低价格。 |
| 0:32 | What is the Trump administration's strategy on affordability and to end the war in Iran? | 特朗普政府关于可负担性和结束伊朗战争的战略是什么?. |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | A critical midterm election just days away. | 关键期中选举就在几天后举行。 |
| 2 | Are we ready to do what we need to do in November? | 我们准备好在11月做我们需要做的事了吗? |
| 3 | Americans are casting their ballots with everything on the line. | 美国人正在投他们的选票,一切在线上。 |
| 4 | The battle for Congress. | 国会之战. |
| 5 | Will Republicans still control the balance of power? | 共和党人还会控制权力的平衡吗? |
| 6 | Americans, you my friends, that's who we fight for. | 美国人,我的朋友,这就是我们为之奋斗的 |
| 7 | Tonight, CBS News presents Things That Matter with Vice President J.D. | 今晚,CBS新闻向副总裁J. D. |
| 8 | Vance. | 万斯(原变种). |
| 9 | We're doing everything that we can to bring down prices. | 我们正在竭尽全力降低价格。 |
| 10 | What is the Trump administration's strategy on affordability and to end the war in Iran? | 特朗普政府关于可负担性和结束伊朗战争的战略是什么?. |
| 11 | 威尔·J. D. | |
| 12 | Vance make a presidential run in 2028? | 万斯在2028年举行总统竞选? |
| 13 | All of these answers and more tonight. | 所有这些答案 和更多的今晚。 |
| 14 | A CBS News Town Hall starts right now. | 一个CBS新闻市政厅现在开始 |
| 15 | And good evening, I'm Tony DeCoppo. | 晚上好,我是托尼・德科波。 |
| 16 | Thank you all for joining us tonight for this CBS News | 感谢大家今晚来参加CBS新闻 |
| 17 | Things That Matter Town Hall right here in Flat Rock, Michigan. | 在密歇根州平岩镇的市政厅里 |
| 18 | We are just over two weeks away from a midterm election | 我们离中期选举只有两周多 |
| 19 | that may alter the course of the Trump-Vance administration. | 可能会改变特朗普 -万斯政府的路线 |
| 20 | And few states matter more than this one right here. | 很少有州比这州更重要 |
| 21 | In fact, this could be the one that determines control of the U.S. Senate. | 事实上,这可能是决定对美国参议院的控制. |
| 22 | And the race between Democratic candidate Abdul El-Sayed and Republican Mike Rogers is a toss-up. | 而民主党候选人阿卜杜勒·赛义德(英语:Abdul El-Sayed)和共和党人迈克·罗杰斯(英语:Mike Rogers)之间的比赛是一场掷球. |
| 23 | It's also a tough year for Republicans overall. | 对共和党人来说,这总的来说也是艰难的一年. |
| 24 | The president's approval rating has plummeted 14 points since the start of his term. | 总统的批准评级自任期开始以来大幅下降14分. |
| 25 | And the same voters who sent the Trump administration back to the White House in 2024 | 2024年派特朗普政府回白宫的选民 |
| 26 | are now deciding whether this election they want to instead send Trump a message. | 现在决定选举是否要向特朗普发出讯息。 |
| 27 | Tonight, voters will get an opportunity to ask their urgent questions to the vice president | 今晚,选民们将有机会向副总统提出紧急问题 |
| 28 | of the United States, J.D. | J.D.先生(美利坚合众国) |
| 29 | Vance, who at an earlier point in his life | 万斯,在他生命的早期 |
| 30 | might have been among those swing voters. | 可能是那些摇摆的选民 |
| 31 | Vance grew up just a few hours south of here in Middletown, Ohio. | 范斯在俄亥俄州米德尔敦南边长大 |
| 32 | He served in Iraq, went to Yale Law School, | 他在伊拉克服役,上耶鲁法学院 |
| 33 | and then worked as an investor before Ohio sent him to the U.S. Senate in 2022. | 并在2022年俄亥俄州送他去美国参议院前担任投资人. |
| 34 | Just two years later, he was Donald Trump's running mate and he is now widely seen | 仅仅两年后,他是唐纳德·特朗普的竞选搭档 现在他被广泛看到 |
| 35 | as the early front-runner for his party's 2028 nomination for president. | 作为他的党的2028年总统提名的早期前锋. |
| 36 | We have a lot to talk about, so let's get started. | 我们有很多话要谈,我们开始吧 |
| 37 | Vice President Vance, thank you very much for being here. | 万斯副总统 非常感谢你的到来 |
| 38 | Good to see you. | 很高兴见到你。 |
| 39 | Thank you for doing this and thanks to everybody for being here. | 感谢大家的到来 |
| 40 | I will say, Tony, you did me a huge disservice by reminding a crowd of Michiganders that I'm from | 我会说,托尼,你提醒我 密歇根人的人群,我来自 |
| 41 | Ohio, but hopefully, hopefully they will hold against me. | 俄亥俄州,但希望, 希望他们会 持反对我。 |
| 42 | Not only that, we've got a medallion back there for the Ohio State Buckeyes. | 不仅如此,我们还为俄亥俄州立白凯队 准备了一枚勋章 |
| 43 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 44 | Yeah, it might be stolen before the night is over. | 是的,它可能是在晚上结束前被偷走的。 |
| 45 | We just lost the crowd. | 我们只是失去了人群。 |
| 46 | I know. | 我知道,我记得 |
| 47 | Look, we are just over two weeks away from a major midterm election and there are some | 听着,我们离重大中期选举只有两周多时间了 还有一些 |
| 48 | very tight Senate races, closer than I think a lot of people expected. | 非常紧凑的参议院比赛, 比我想很多人预期的更接近. |
| 49 | In fact, your former Senate seat in Ohio could flip to the Democrats. | 事实上,你以前在俄亥俄州的参议院席位 可能会被民主党所取代 |
| 50 | I'm thinking also about Kansas, Alaska, Iowa, maybe most surprisingly, Texas, | 我也在想堪萨斯州,阿拉斯加,爱荷华州,也许最令人惊讶的是,德克萨斯州, |
| 51 | and the Democrats only need to pick up a net of four seats to take control. | 而民主党只需要拿起4个席位的网来控制. |
| 52 | Are you nervous? | 你紧张吗? |
| 53 | No, I'm not nervous because I fundamentally trust the judgment of the American people. | 不,我不紧张 因为我基本上相信 美国人民的判断。 |
| 54 | I mean, whenever you get into election season, there are always races that you look at and say, | 我的意思是,每当你进入选举季节, 总是有比赛 你看着并说, |
| 55 | how are we close in that race or how is that race so close? | 我们如何接近在那个种族, 或是什么种族是如此接近? |
| 56 | I mean, you pointed out some Republican leaning states that are maybe tight, | 我的意思是,你指出一些 共和党倾斜的州 可能很紧, |
| 57 | but we're also competing in Maine, a state that Kamala Harris won by eight points. | 但我们也在缅因州竞争 卡马拉哈里斯以8分获胜 |
| 58 | We're competing, I think, very, very well in Minnesota, a state that Kamala Harris won | 我们竞争,我想,非常,非常好 在明尼苏达,一个州 卡马拉哈里斯赢得 |
| 59 | by a pretty comfortable margin. | 以相当舒适的距离。 |
| 60 | So, you know, the nature of these races is that you get out there, you make the best | 所以,你知道,这些种族的本质 是,你得到那里, 你做了最好的 |
| 61 | case you can to the American people and they ultimately get to decide. | 他们最终会决定 |
| 62 | And on this matter, I am one vote out of many. | 在这个问题上,我只投过一票。 |
| 63 | I'm going to vote for John Huston for Senator in Ohio. | 我要投票给约翰·赫斯顿 俄亥俄州参议员 |
| 64 | I think he's going to win. | 我觉得他会赢的 |
| 65 | But all you can do is make your argument to the American people and they get the | 但你所能做的就是向美国人民 提出你的论点,他们得到 |
| 66 | opportunity to decide. | 机会决定。 |
| 67 | Well, you're making the argument here in the state of Michigan. | 你在密歇根州争论 |
| 68 | And this is one of those races that could decide the outcome, who controls the Senate. | 这是能决定结果的种族之一 谁控制参议院 |
| 69 | And it's closer than I think a lot of people expected. | 这比很多人预期的要近 |
| 70 | It's close in part because there are some Trump voters from 2024 who have now switched | 部分因为2024年有一些特朗普选民 已经换了 |
| 71 | to say, I'm going to vote for a Democrat this time around. | 这次我要投票给民主党 |
| 72 | I'm going to vote for Abdul El-Sayed. | 我要投给阿卜杜勒·赛义德 |
| 73 | And in fact, we have one of those voters here tonight, Kishon Wheaton. | 事实上,我们今晚有选民之一,基申·惠顿。 |
| 74 | He's a 43 year old barber. | 他是一个43岁的理发师。 |
| 75 | Kishon, where are you? | 纪顺,你在哪里? |
| 76 | He's got a question for the vice president. | 他有个问题要问副总统 |
| 77 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 78 | Greetings, Mr. Vice President. | 你好,副总统先生。 |
| 79 | My name is Kishon Wheaton from Detroit, and I voted for Trump in 2020 and 2024 because | 我是底特律的基申·惠顿 我于2020年和2024年投票支持特朗普 |
| 80 | I saw the gas prices fall during his first term. | 我看见他第一个任期的气价下跌了 |
| 81 | As low as $117 a gallon in Detroit. | 底特律每加仑117美元 |
| 82 | And now I'm paying $433 a gallon for gas. | 现在我要付433美元一加仑汽油。 |
| 83 | And I wanted to know, what aren't we doing that we could be doing to obtain the previous | 我想知道,我们在做什么 我们能做什么来获得之前 |
| 84 | Trump administration's gas prices? | 特朗普政府的天然气价格? |
| 85 | And also, I plan on voting for El-Sayed in this upcoming election. | 还有,我计划在即将到来的选举中投票给赛义德。 |
| 86 | And I wanted to know, why should I vote for Mike Rogers instead? | 我想知道 我为什么要投迈克·罗杰斯的票? |
| 87 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 88 | Well, I really appreciate that, man, and appreciate the question and obviously the | 嗯,我真的很感激,男人, 并赞赏的问题,显然 |
| 89 | support in 2024 on vice president because of it. | 2024年因为此事支持副总统. |
| 90 | But I think that, first of all, I recognize that gas prices are too high right now. | 但我认为,首先,我承认天然气价格现在太高了。 |
| 91 | And I think it's important to be honest about why they are so elevated. | 我认为必须诚实地解释为什么它们如此高。 |
| 92 | And there are a few different things going on. | 并有几种不同之事. |
| 93 | So the first thing that's going on, obviously, is what's happening in the Middle East, | 所以,第一件事是,很明显, 发生在中东, |
| 94 | particularly the fact that the Iranians are shooting at every commercial ship that they | 特别是伊朗人正在向每艘商业船只射击的事实: |
| 95 | can. | 能够。 |
| 96 | It's a global energy market, so that's pushing up the price of fuel everywhere. | 这是一个全球的能源市场, 所以这正在推动燃料的价格 各地。 |
| 97 | But there are also a lot of things that we've done already to lower fuel prices | 但我们也做了很多事情 已经降低了燃料价格 |
| 98 | and, frankly, to keep them from going even higher. | 坦率地说, 让他们不要走更高。 |
| 99 | We've never had a situation like this where you have effectively the largest state sponsor | 我们从未有过这样的情况 你实际上有最大的州赞助商 |
| 100 | of terrorism that's trying to completely choke off world energy supply. | 试图扼杀世界能源供应的恐怖主义 |
| 101 | The fact is that if we just left and we let the Iranians control shipping out of the | 事实是,如果我们刚离开 并且我们让伊朗人控制 航运出 |
| 102 | Strait of Hormuz, what that would mean is you would pay a lot more for gasoline. | 霍尔木兹海峡,这意味着 你会支付更多的汽油。 |
| 103 | There are also other things that we, frankly, should have been doing years ago and we are | 坦率地说,我们几年前应该做一些其他的事,我们是 |
| 104 | now doing quite affirmatively. | 现在做的相当肯定。 |
| 105 | So a couple of days ago, I was in Texas, and we announced that we were going to use | 几天前 我在德克萨斯州 我们宣布要使用 |
| 106 | what's called the Defense Production Act to massively increase the amount of refining | 所谓的"国防生产法" 是为了大大增加炼油量 |
| 107 | capacity that we have in the United States of America. | 我们美利坚合众国的能力。 |
| 108 | That's actually the biggest reason why gas prices are so high is because when Joe Biden | 这其实是气价这么高的最大原因 因为当乔·拜登 |
| 109 | was president, we had about 20 percent of American refining capacity that went offline. | 我们拥有20%的美国炼油能力 已经下线了 |
| 110 | We're slowly bringing that online, but it does take a little bit of time. | 我们慢慢地把这个放到网上, 但确实需要一点时间。 |
| 111 | And because we shut down so much refining capacity, we were more susceptible to the | 因为我们关闭了这么多的炼油能力, 我们更容易受到 |
| 112 | shock that we've seen in the Middle Eastern energy prices. | 我们在中东能源价格中看到的冲击。 |
| 113 | So there's a lot that we are doing. | 因此,我们做了很多事情。 |
| 114 | It's just we also are working against an Iranian regime that's shooting at commercial | 我们正与伊朗政权对抗, |
| 115 | shipping. | 运输。 |
| 116 | But, Fred Vance, if I may, Kishan's talking about this increase in gas prices just since | 但是,弗雷德・万斯,如果可以的话, 祁山谈论的天然气价格上涨 仅仅因为 |
| 117 | you guys took office. | 你们上任了 |
| 118 | It's almost been two years. | 差不多两年了 |
| 119 | At a certain point, it becomes your economy, not Joe Biden's economy. | 在某一时刻,它成为你的经济,而不是乔·拜登的经济. |
| 120 | Also, back in March, right here in Michigan, you said it was just a temporary blip in gas | 而且,回到3月份,就在密歇根, 你说这只是一个临时的气泡 |
| 121 | prices. | 价格。 |
| 122 | How long is temporary? | 临时多久? |
| 123 | Well, look, I don't think that when this conflict is over, we are going to see gas | 好吧,你看,我不认为 当这场冲突结束了, 我们将看到煤气 |
| 124 | prices come down. | 价格下降。 |
| 125 | But it takes two to tango. | 但探戈需要两个 |
| 126 | And what's happening right now in the Middle East is that you have these terrorists who | 现在在中东发生的是 这些恐怖分子 |
| 127 | are shooting at all these ships. | 正在射击所有这些船只。 |
| 128 | They're blowing up the ships. | 他们炸毁了船只。 |
| 129 | They're blowing up world energy markets in the process. | 在这个过程中它们正在炸毁世界能源市场. |
| 130 | And what we've tried to do, we've actually gotten more oil and gas out of the Middle | 我们试图做的是,我们得到了更多的石油和天然气 从中间 |
| 131 | East than we've had in a very long time. | 东边比我们以前还久远 |
| 132 | That's because, frankly, our troops are doing incredibly brave work. | 坦率地说,那是因为我们的部队 正在做非常勇敢的工作。 |
| 133 | And we're the only people in the world that could actually do it. | 而我们是世界上唯一能真正做到这一点的人。 |
| 134 | And I guess that, Kishan, what I would argue to you is, yes, I'm very aware. | 我猜, 祁山, 我想跟你争论的是, 是的, 我非常清楚. |
| 135 | And look, you probably know my story. | 你看,你也许知道我的故事。 |
| 136 | I grew up in a working class family. | 我在一个工人阶级家庭长大的. |
| 137 | When gas prices were high, I know that it made my grandmother suffer. | 当煤气价格高的时候,我知道这让我祖母很痛苦. |
| 138 | And I'm sure that you're struggling with it in a variety of ways. | 我敢肯定,你正在以多种方式挣扎。 |
| 139 | But what I would say is, what is Abdul El-Sayed saying about it? | 但我想说的是,阿卜杜勒·赛义德到底在说什么? |
| 140 | And what is Mike Rogers saying about it? | 迈克·罗杰斯怎么说? |
| 141 | And what are their actual ideas to fix the problem? | 他们解决问题的实际想法是什么? |
| 142 | And what I'd say is, we drew down way too much oil and gas capacity. | 我想说的是,我们削减了太多的石油和天然气容量。 |
| 143 | And we drew down way too much refining capacity. | 我们削减了太多的精炼能力。 |
| 144 | We are bringing that stuff online. | 我们要把这些东西放到网上 |
| 145 | But it does take a little bit of time. | 但它确实需要一点时间。 |
| 146 | Now, I see what Abdul El-Sayed says about the war in Iran. | 我看到阿卜杜勒·赛义德对伊朗战争的看法。 |
| 147 | I see he criticizing decisions that the president has made, the military has made. | 我看到他批评总统的决定 军方的决定 |
| 148 | But fundamentally, we are where we are. | 但从根本上讲,我们已身处此地。 |
| 149 | And you have to, in my view, I'd like to know, what is Abdul El-Sayed's solution | 在我看来,你必须知道 阿卜杜勒·赛义德的解决方案是什么 |
| 150 | for the problem that we have right now? | 现在的问题? |
| 151 | It's easy to criticize something that happened seven months ago. | 7个月前发生的事情很容易批评. |
| 152 | And the reason why I think Mike Rogers is going to make a great senator | 我认为迈克・罗杰斯 将成为一个伟大的参议员的原因 |
| 153 | is because he's fundamentally a problem solver. | 根本上是因为他是个解决问题的人 |
| 154 | By the way, one of the points I want to make on this, Tony, | 顺便说一句 我想说的其中一点 托尼 |
| 155 | is he's been remarkably independent about this. | 他对此很独立 |
| 156 | It's not easy for a Republican who's running for Senate in Michigan | 竞选密歇根州参议院的共和党人不容易 |
| 157 | to say, for example, we've got to bring this conflict to a close. | 比如说,我们必须结束这场冲突 |
| 158 | He has done that, shown a willingness, I think, | 他这样做, 表现出一种意愿,我认为, |
| 159 | to stand against his own party on that. | 和他自己的政党对抗 |
| 160 | So I think Mike is a courageous guy. | 所以我觉得迈克是个勇敢的人 |
| 161 | But most importantly, he's a problem solver. | 但最重要的是,他是一个解决问题的人。 |
| 162 | And there's a lot that we are doing right now | 现在还有很多事情要做 |
| 163 | to work against those rising energy prices. | 对抗那些不断上涨的能源价格。 |
| 164 | It's too high, but we're working on it. | 太高了,但我们正在努力 |
| 165 | You know, thank you, Keyshawn. | 谢谢你 凯许恩 |
| 166 | I appreciate it. | 谢谢 |
| 167 | Vice President Vance, you didn't campaign you and President Trump on, | 副总统万斯,你没有 竞选你和特朗普总统, |
| 168 | it's going to take time, Rome wasn't built in a day, you've got to be patient. | 需要时间,罗马不是一天之内建成的 你必须耐心一点 |
| 169 | And there are voters here who are wondering, | 这里有选民在想 |
| 170 | when are the benefits of their vote in 2024 going to show up in their bank accounts? | 他们2024年投票的好处 何时出现在他们的银行账户里? |
| 171 | And we do have one voter here like that. | 我们这里确实有一个这样的选民。 |
| 172 | It's Sandy Johnson. | 我是桑迪·约翰逊 |
| 173 | She's from Woodhaven, Michigan. | 她来自密歇根州的伍德哈芬. |
| 174 | Sandy, could you, there she is. | 桑迪,你可以,她在这里。 |
| 175 | Sandy, the floor is yours. | 桑迪,这地板是你的。 |
| 176 | You've got a question. | 问曰. |
| 177 | I'm so nervous. | 我很紧张 |
| 178 | Don't be nervous. | 别紧张 |
| 179 | It's all right. | 没关系。 |
| 180 | Don't worry. | 别担心 |
| 181 | Sandy, I'm nervous too. | 珊迪,我也很紧张 |
| 182 | You just got to power through it. | 你刚刚得到了通过它的力量。 |
| 183 | Thank you for this opportunity. | 谢谢你给我这个机会 |
| 184 | I really appreciate it. | 我真的很感谢你 |
| 185 | President Trump, when he was campaigning, | 川普总统竞选时 |
| 186 | he promised a golden age of economy if he got elected. | 他承诺,如果他当选,将进入经济的黄金时代。 |
| 187 | Ever since the president has been elected, | 自从总统当选后 |
| 188 | our business, an amusement center, restaurant, and bar has struggled. | 我们的生意 一个娱乐中心 餐馆和酒吧都在挣扎 |
| 189 | We're barely making ends meet. | 我们几乎没完没了 |
| 190 | Your administration has done many good, positive things that we're very grateful for, | 你的政府做了很多好事 我们非常感激 |
| 191 | but none of it has really trickled down to our business. | 但没有一个真的 渗透到我们的业务。 |
| 192 | What is being done to change the economy so that the normal American | 为了让正常的美国人 改变经济正在做什么 |
| 193 | has money to spend on small businesses like ours? | 有钱花在我们这样的小生意上? |
| 194 | We understand these things take time, but when can we expect to see a change? | 我们了解这些事情需要时间,但我们何时才能看到变化? |
| 195 | Sandy, can I ask what your business is? | 桑迪,我能问你的生意吗? |
| 196 | Keisha, you're a barber. | 凯莎 你是个理发师 |
| 197 | Is that right? | 是吗? |
| 198 | What's your business, Sandy? | 桑迪,你有什么事吗? |
| 199 | It's a family entertainment center. | 家庭娱乐中心. |
| 200 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 201 | So first of all, there are some things that we've done that I'm very, very proud of. | 所以,首先,我们做了一些事情, 我非常,非常自豪。 |
| 202 | No taxes on overtime, no taxes on tips, no taxes on people who are | 不征收加班费,不征收小费,不征收人税 |
| 203 | earning Social Security income, which my attitude is you paid into this your entire life. | 赚到社会保障收入 我的态度是 你花了一辈子的时间 |
| 204 | Why is it being taxed on the way out when it comes back in your pocket? | 你口袋里有东西的时候 为什么在外出时被征税? |
| 205 | We've eliminated those taxes, and that hopefully is going to create more money. | 我们已经取消了这些税收, 希望这将会创造更多的资金。 |
| 206 | I think it already has created more money this tax season. | 我想这个纳税季节已经创造了更多的钱 |
| 207 | We had the best tax season in American history in terms of refunds for Americans, | 我们在退税方面是美国历史上最好的纳税季节 |
| 208 | and that's going to put more money into your pockets. | 这会把更多的钱 进入你的口袋。 |
| 209 | But I take your point that this hasn't flown down to your business entirely, | 但我想,你的观点是, 这还没有完全 飞到你的业务, |
| 210 | and I want to just be honest about this because, Tony, you made a point. | 我想实话实说,因为,托尼,你说过了。 |
| 211 | You said we didn't campaign on Rome. | 你说我们没有竞选罗马 |
| 212 | Was it built in a day? | 是一天之内建成的吗? |
| 213 | But I think fundamentally, if you go back to the speeches that I was making and that President | 但我认为从根本上说 如果你回到我和总统的演讲 |
| 214 | Trump was making, what broke the United States, as much as I might like to criticize Joe Biden, | 特朗普正在制造, 是什么打破了美国, 虽然我想批评乔拜登, |
| 215 | but it was a bipartisan, multi-generational failure to under invest in American workers, | 但这是两党多代人对美国工人投资不足的失败, |
| 216 | to under invest in American manufacturing, to ship all of our good jobs overseas. | 投资不足的美国制造业, 运送我们所有的好工作到海外。 |
| 217 | And of course, if all the good jobs are overseas, then people here in Michigan can't spend money | 当然,如果所有好的工作都是海外的, 那么这里的人在密歇根不能花钱 |
| 218 | at your family business. | 在你的家族事务。 |
| 219 | And what we have tried to do, and I think that we've already seen some significant signs of | 以及我们试图做的事情 我认为我们已经看到一些显著的迹象 |
| 220 | progress. | 进展。 |
| 221 | We've seen over a million jobs created since Donald Trump was president. | 我们看到唐纳德·特朗普担任总统以来创造了超过100万个工作. |
| 222 | By the way, those jobs, unlike in the last administration, all of the net job growth | 顺便说一句,这些工作,不像上届政府, 所有的净就业增长 |
| 223 | went to American citizens rather than under the Biden administration went to the foreign | 去了美国公民而不是拜登政府 去了外国 |
| 224 | born. | 生来. |
| 225 | You're seeing $11 trillion of new investment coming to the United States of America. | 你看到11万亿美元的新投资 来到美国。 |
| 226 | Now, where you see that in the jobs numbers right now, and if you think about it, it kind | 现在,你看到这一点 在工作号码, 如果你考虑它,它很好 |
| 227 | of makes sense. | 说得通 |
| 228 | I was like, why are we seeing more in construction than manufacturing? | 我当时想,为什么我们在建筑界看到的比制造业多呢? |
| 229 | And somebody said, well, you got to build the factories first. | 有人说 你得先建工厂 |
| 230 | That's the construction. | 这就是建筑。 |
| 231 | And then the manufacturing jobs come online. | 然后制造业的工作上线。 |
| 232 | And in Michigan, GM, Ford, we've seen massive | 在密歇根州,GM,福特,我们已经看到了巨大的 |
| 233 | Stellantis, massive new investments in Michigan auto factories. | Stellantis),密歇根州汽车工厂的大量新投资. |
| 234 | And so what I really believe, | 因此,我真正相信的是, |
| 235 | and I grew up in a town where it's like every other year or maybe every other month, you would | 我在一个镇上长大 在那里它就像每隔一年 或者也许每隔一个月 你会 |
| 236 | see some new factory closed down. | 看到一些新工厂关闭。 |
| 237 | You'd find out that some friend of yours lost their job or their | 你会发现你的某个朋友 失去了他们的工作或他们的 |
| 238 | dad lost their job. | 爸爸失业了 |
| 239 | Their mom lost their gainful employment. | 他们的妈妈失去了有报酬的工作。 |
| 240 | And it's not just a wage. | 这不仅仅是工资 |
| 241 | It's also | 还有 |
| 242 | your sense of dignity and purpose is that mistake happened over my entire life, closing down | 你的尊严感和目的 就是我一生中的错误 关闭了 |
| 243 | factories rather than reinvesting in America and American workers. | 而不是在美国和美国工人中再投资 |
| 244 | We are turning the tide on this. | 我们正在扭转这个趋势。 |
| 245 | And I think there are all these things I pointed to that show signs of progress, but Sandy, I'll | 我想我指的这些东西 都显示出进步的迹象 但桑迪,我会的 |
| 246 | be the first person to tell you that just as this country wasn't broken in one presidential term, | 成为第一个告诉你的人 正如这个国家在总统任期内没有崩溃一样 |
| 247 | it's going to take more than 18 months to fix things and turn them around. | 需要超过18个月的时间来修补和扭转局面。 |
| 248 | So Vice President-Advanced, there's a big difference between what you're saying right | 所以,副总统高级, 有一个很大的区别 你所说的正确 |
| 249 | now and what President Trump says when he's out on the trail. | 现在和特朗普总统说,当他出轨时。 |
| 250 | He says it's an A-plus economy. | 他说这是一种A+经济. |
| 251 | You say it's going to take time. | 你说这需要时间。 |
| 252 | You say you're frustrated at times. | 你说你有时候很沮丧 |
| 253 | Which is it? | 是哪个? |
| 254 | Well, I think that what the president is saying is that we are seeing all of these massive new | 我认为总统说的是 我们正看到这些巨大的新 |
| 255 | investments come into our country, but he would be the first person to tell you that you got to | 投资进入我们的国家, 但他会是第一个 告诉你,你必须 |
| 256 | build the factories first before you can employ the workers working in those factories. | 在你雇用那些工厂的工人之前 先建工厂 |
| 257 | But to her point, it's not an A-plus economy if you hear stories like this. | 但就她而言,如果你听到这样的故事,这不是A+经济. |
| 258 | Well, I think what we're doing is we're turning the ship around, Sandy. | 好吧,我想我们正在做的是 我们把船转过来,桑迪。 |
| 259 | That's what I would say. | 我会这么说的 |
| 260 | And I really do believe that rather—and frankly, it was the Democrats and Republicans who pursued | 我真的相信-- 坦白地说,正是民主党和共和党人追求的 |
| 261 | what I would call a sugar-high economy, where you just kick the can down the road. | 我称之为高糖经济, 那里你只是踢罐子在路上。 |
| 262 | You don't | 你没有 |
| 263 | try to solve the fundamental issues. | 试着解决根本问题 |
| 264 | It's your point about what the president has said and what | 这是你的观点 关于总统所说的话和什么 |
| 265 | he's done. | 他结束了。 |
| 266 | Sandy, I've sat in a lot of meetings with the president in the Oval Office, and it's | 桑迪,我和总统在总统办公室的很多会议 |
| 267 | interesting where people will come to him and say, well, why are you doing this? | 有趣的是,人们会到他身边 说,好吧,你为什么要这么做? |
| 268 | This is hard. | 这很难。 |
| 269 | Just do the easy thing. | 做简单的事吧 |
| 270 | Just do the politically popular thing. | 只是做政治流行的事情。 |
| 271 | And sometimes he'll say, | 有时他会说, |
| 272 | America was broken by politicians doing the easy thing and doing the politically popular thing. | 美国被政客们打破了 做简单的事情 做政治流行的事情。 |
| 273 | Sometimes you've got to be willing to do the hard things, and those things take time. | 有时候你必须愿意做艰难的事情,那些事情需要时间. |
| 274 | And by the way, Sandy, there are things that we—look, we need to do more, and we can | 顺便说一句,桑迪,有些事情我们... 我们需要做更多,我们可以 |
| 275 | certainly do better. | 当然要做得更好。 |
| 276 | One of the things I'm proudest of is that we at the Small Business | 我最骄傲的一件事是 我们在小企业 |
| 277 | Administration—I'm sure an agency that is very close to your heart—we've uncovered tens of | 行政部门,我敢肯定,一个非常接近你的机构, 我们已经发现了数十个 |
| 278 | billions of dollars of fraud so that we can make better small business loans to businesses like | 数十亿的欺诈,这样我们就可以 更好的小企业贷款像 |
| 279 | | |
| 280 | We want the money to go to you and not to the fraudsters. | 我们要把钱交给你 而不是给骗子 |
| 281 | So there are things that we're | 所以有些事情我们 |
| 282 | doing, and we've just got to keep working at it. | 继续工作 |
| 283 | And I go back to— | 然后我又回到... ... . . . |
| 284 | Vice President Manning. | 副总统曼宁. |
| 285 | —to Keyshawn's point here, and I'll just be very brief on this. | - 关于Keyshawn的观点, 我将非常简短。 |
| 286 | But when I hear the Democrats, | 但当我听到民主党的声音时, |
| 287 | what I hear very often is them complaining about problems, sometimes problems that they themselves | 我经常听到的是,他们抱怨 问题,有时问题 他们自己 |
| 288 | created. | 创建。 |
| 289 | When a Democrat talks to me about high energy prices and that same Democrat supported | 当一个民主党人和我谈论高能源价格 而那个民主党人支持 |
| 290 | the Green New Deal, I say, you are the reason why this happened, and we are trying to fix it. | 绿色新政,我说,你才是发生这种情况的原因,我们正在努力解决这个问题。 |
| 291 | But I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that it's going to be fixed overnight. | 但我不会骗你 并告诉你,它会 修复一夜。 |
| 292 | We've made a lot of progress, but there's a lot more to do. | 我们取得了很大的进步,但是还有许多事情要做. |
| 293 | I'm glad you brought up fraud, because, well, we hear from people like this and others around | 我很高兴你提起了诈骗案, 因为,我们听到这样的人和周围的人 |
| 294 | the country who are not feeling like they're getting richer themselves. | 那些觉得自己越来越富裕的国家 |
| 295 | They see others | 他们看见别人 |
| 296 | that they feel are getting richer. | 他们觉得越来越有钱了 |
| 297 | And that includes people inside the Trump administration. | 包括川普政府内部的人 |
| 298 | There was a Fox News poll that came out— | 有一次福克斯新闻的民调... |
| 299 | Say they did a great job. | 说他们做得很好 |
| 300 | Yeah, well done. | 是啊,干得不错。 |
| 301 | Bravo. | 厉害 |
| 302 | Just moments ago, before we came out, they found that corruption was the | 就在我们出来之前 他们发现腐败是 |
| 303 | number one issue on voters' minds, even more than gas prices that Keyshawn was talking about. | 超过凯许恩所说的天然气价格。 |
| 304 | Another poll found that even half of Republicans believe that Donald Trump's personal business | 另一项民意调查发现,甚至半数共和党人都认为唐纳德·特朗普的个人业务. |
| 305 | interests are affecting his decision as president. | 利益正在影响他作为总统的决定。 |
| 306 | And what that all comes back to, I think, is the | 这一切的归来,我想,是 |
| 307 | question of, have you seen anything inside the White House when it comes to corruption | 问题是,你有没有在白宫里看到什么 关于腐败的事情 |
| 308 | that makes you squeamish? | 这让你尖叫? |
| 309 | You're asking, has Donald Trump's decision-making been influenced by his— | 你在问,唐纳德·特朗普的决策是否受到他的... |
| 310 | No, I'm asking, have you seen anything— | 不,我问,你有看到什么... |
| 311 | I've never seen anything like that. | 我从来没有见过这样的事。 |
| 312 | —from anybody inside the White House? | - 白宫里有人吗? |
| 313 | I've never seen anything like that from the president. | 我从没从总统那里见过这样的事情 |
| 314 | Certainly, I mean, look, | 当然,我的意思是,你看, |
| 315 | in Washington, D.C., people are constantly trying to get an edge. | 在华盛顿特区,人们不断试图获得优势. |
| 316 | It's something that I have | 这是我拥有的东西 |
| 317 | complained about in Washington, D.C., for a long time. | 在华盛顿抱怨了很久 |
| 318 | You see K Street lobbyists who have tried | 你看K街的说客 曾经尝试过 |
| 319 | to get meetings with me to advocate for a particular issue, and I won't take the meeting | 与我会面 倡导一个特定的问题, 我不会参加会议 |
| 320 | or the president won't take the meeting. | 或者总统不会参加这个会议 |
| 321 | So yeah, you certainly see evidence of corruption | 所以,是的,你确实看到 腐败的证据 |
| 322 | in Washington, D.C. Do I see evidence of corruption from the president of the United States, | 华盛顿特区 我看到美国总统有腐败的证据吗? |
| 323 | from the administration the administration is taking? | 从行政部门 行政部门正在采取? |
| 324 | No, Tony, I just don't. | 不,托尼,我只是没有。 |
| 325 | I think that | 我觉得 |
| 326 | there's a lot of allegation out there, and there's a lot of stuff where, frankly, I've read these | 有很多指控, 有很多东西, 老实说,我读过这些 |
| 327 | articles, and I've read the superficial summary, and I say, oh, that doesn't sound right. | 文章,我读过肤浅的总结, 我说,哦,这听起来不对。 |
| 328 | And then | 礛 |
| 329 | I go and do the investigation myself, and I say, wait a second, what they're saying the president | 我亲自去调查,我说,等一下,他们说的 |
| 330 | did or what they're saying the president's son did, he didn't actually do. | 或他们说的 总统的儿子做了什么, 他实际上没有这样做。 |
| 331 | So I think it's | 所以我觉得 |
| 332 | important in these things, let's not convict people in a court of law because, look, two things | 这些事情很重要 我们不要在法庭上定罪 因为 有两件事 |
| 333 | I'll say about the United States is that one, he hates it. | 我要说美国就是那个 他讨厌它 |
| 334 | It's a broader point. | 更广之分. |
| 335 | You're implicitly, | 你是含蓄的, |
| 336 | I think, saying that there's a corruption problem, that if he's not involved, then I think you're | 我认为,说有一个腐败问题, 如果他没有参与, 那么我认为你 |
| 337 | accusing him of at least sanctioning it. | 指控他至少认可了 |
| 338 | Donald Trump hates when people make money off him. | 唐纳德·特朗普讨厌人们靠他赚钱. |
| 339 | He hates the idea that somebody would come in and say, I'm going to give you a meeting with the | 他讨厌有人进来说 我会给你一个会面 |
| 340 | president, and I'm going to get rich because I gave you access to the president. | 总统,我要发财 因为我给了你与总统联系的机会 |
| 341 | The president | 总统 |
| 342 | would never tolerate that behavior, Tony. | 绝对不会容忍这种行为,托尼 |
| 343 | Now- Just one more question here, guys. | 现在... 再问一个问题 |
| 344 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 345 | Vice President Vance, I appreciate it. | 万斯副总统,我很感激 |
| 346 | The issue that voters see and that gets on their mind and | 选民所看到的 以及他们所想的 |
| 347 | that I hear when I'm out there is the president is making a lot of money off of crypto. | 我听到当我在那里时 总统正在赚很多钱 从密码。 |
| 348 | His own IRS | 他自己的国税局 |
| 349 | has barred itself from looking into his tax returns. | 禁止自己检查他的纳税申报表。 |
| 350 | You have this recent issue with the | 最近你和 |
| 351 | seeming to sell access to the White House. | 似乎在出售进入白宫的通道。 |
| 352 | That's why people are concerned. | 故众生烦恼. |
| 353 | If there's nothing to | 如果没什么 |
| 354 | hide, you say you've seen nothing. | 躲起来,你说你什么都没看见 |
| 355 | First of all, somebody's selling access to the White House. | 首先 有人在出售进入白宫的通道 |
| 356 | That's disgusting and despicable, and they should suffer consequences. | 这是恶心和卑鄙的, 他们应该承受后果。 |
| 357 | What I'm saying is- | 我是说... |
| 358 | That's an isolated incident, though. | 这是一个孤立的事件,虽然。 |
| 359 | 我只是想... 说说看 I just want to... | |
| 360 | I want to make those judgments based on the facts and not based on | 我想根据事实而不是基于 |
| 361 | a random news media report that I read. | 一个随机的新闻报道,我读。 |
| 362 | Fair enough. | 不错 |
| 363 | When the facts are being investigated, | 当调查事实时, |
| 364 | let's say in January, if there's a Democratic-controlled Congress, | 假设一月份有民主党控制的国会 |
| 365 | will you comply and honor subpoenas? | 你会遵守并尊重传票吗? |
| 366 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 367 | Of course I will. | 我当然会 |
| 368 | Look, I mean, | 听着,我的意思是, |
| 369 | we follow the law. | 我们遵循法律 |
| 370 | I follow the law. | 我从法行. |
| 371 | I'm a law-abiding guy outside of speeding, | 我是一个守法的人 超速, |
| 372 | which luckily, thanks to the Secret Service and the generosity of the American people, | 幸运的是 多亏了特勤局和美国人民的慷慨 |
| 373 | I don't drive anymore. | 我不开车了。 |
| 374 | Probably good for the insurance rates in southwestern Ohio. | 也许对俄亥俄州西南部的保险费率有好处 |
| 375 | But look, man, I think that I've seen these media reports, and I have the same reaction | 但看,伙计,我想我见过这些媒体报道, 我也有同样的反应。 |
| 376 | I imagine a lot of people in this room have, which it makes me uneasy when I read about | 我想这间屋子里有很多人, 当我读到,这让我不安 |
| 377 | my public officials potentially getting wealthy off of my public trust. | 我的公职人员可能会从我的公众信任中发财 |
| 378 | I'm telling you that while | 我告诉你,虽然 |
| 379 | yes, DC is a corrupt town, Tony, you know this as well as anybody, Donald Trump, I have not seen a | 是的 华盛顿是个腐败的小镇 Tony 你和任何人都清楚 唐纳德·特朗普 我没见过 |
| 380 | single shred of evidence that he participates or sanctions in that corruption. | 他参与或制裁腐败的证据 |
| 381 | By the way, | 对了 |
| 382 | this guy was a billionaire before he ever got into politics. | 这家伙是亿万富翁 在他进入政界之前。 |
| 383 | He made a lot of money | 他赚了很多钱 |
| 384 | before he got into politics. | 在他进入政界之前 |
| 385 | Would anybody look at what happened to him from 2016 to 2021? | 有人能看看他在2016年至2021年发生了什么吗? |
| 386 | They | 他们 |
| 387 | tried to throw him in jail for like 900 years and say that Donald Trump has personally enriched | 并说唐纳德·特朗普已经亲自致富了 |
| 388 | himself. | 他本人 |
| 389 | You can make all kinds of criticisms of our policies and decisions, but I don't see | 你可以对我们的政策和决定提出各种批评 但我看不出 |
| 390 | a single, I've not once seen evidence that Donald Trump has enriched himself. | 我从未见过 唐纳德·特朗普丰富自我的证据 |
| 391 | You know, for tonight's town hall, we got more questions on the topic of data centers than | 你知道,对于今晚的市政厅, 我们得到了更多的问题 关于数据中心的主题 比 |
| 392 | anything else. | 别的 |
| 393 | And a lot of the questions came in from self-identified Trump voters. | 而很多问题来自自我识别的特朗普选民. |
| 394 | I guess they're part of this 70% of Americans who do not want data centers built near their | 我想他们是这70%的美国人的一部分 他们不想在附近建立数据中心 |
| 395 | homes. | 家,我们家。 |
| 396 | And we have one such voter tonight. | 我们有一个这样的选民 今晚。 |
| 397 | Lindy Valenzuela is here. | 林迪·瓦伦苏埃拉来了 |
| 398 | Lindy, the floor is yours. | 林迪,地板是你的了。 |
| 399 | Mr. Vice President, I live in Dewajack, Michigan. | 副总统先生,我住在密歇根州的德瓦杰克 |
| 400 | My family and I live directly across the street | 我和家人就住在对面 |
| 401 | from a data center. | 从一个数据中心。 |
| 402 | For years, we had been exposed to the constant noise from this company's daily | 多年来,我们一直 暴露在这个公司的日常噪音中 |
| 403 | operations. | 操作。 |
| 404 | Being outdoors for any amount of time became unbearable, resulting in our yard | 在户外呆多久都忍不住 导致我们的院子 |
| 405 | becoming a useless patch of grass that we could look at, but not enjoy. | 成为一无是处的草地 我们可以看,但不享受。 |
| 406 | Opening our windows to | 打开我们的窗户 |
| 407 | let in a breeze became a luxury that we could no longer enjoy. | 在微风中成为我们再也享受不到的奢侈品。 |
| 408 | Even with our windows closed, | 即使我们关闭了窗户 |
| 409 | the buzzing could be heard throughout our home, day and night, 24-7. | 我们家白天晚上 24 -7 都能听到响声 |
| 410 | Our children's room faces | 我们的孩子的房间的脸 |
| 411 | the data center, and our two small boys had to sleep through this constant noise. | 我们的两个小男孩 不得不在不断的噪音中睡觉 |
| 412 | It was like | 这就像 |
| 413 | a vacuum in our living room. | 我们客厅的真空 |
| 414 | It has taken a class action lawsuit, of which I am a plaintiff, | 它提起了集体诉讼 而我是原告 |
| 415 | for this nuisance to finally be addressed. | 为了最终解决这种麻烦 |
| 416 | You claim to care about communities like mine. | 你声称关心像我这样的社区。 |
| 417 | What are you doing about this problem? | 这个问题你在做什么? |
| 418 | Well, it's a great question, and I want to assure you that we | 嗯,这是一个伟大的问题, 我想向你保证,我们 |
| 419 | do very much care about communities like yours. | 非常关心像你这样的社区 |
| 420 | How old are your kids, can I ask? | 你的孩子多大了,我可以问一下吗? |
| 421 | Yeah, sure. | 当然 |
| 422 | и | |
| 423 | youngest is three months, and my oldest is 21 months. | 最小的3个月, 我最大的21个月。 |
| 424 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 425 | What's the birthday of your | 你的生日是什麽? |
| 426 | youngest? | 最小吗? |
| 427 | His birthday is July 11th. | 他的生日为7月11日. |
| 428 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 429 | Okay, so ours is July 19th. | 好吧,所以我们的是7月19日。 |
| 430 | So that's when baby | 这时候,宝贝 |
| 431 | Alec was born. | 阿莱克出生. |
| 432 | So we have a baby eight days apart. | 所以,我们有一个孩子 8天的间隔。 |
| 433 | That's amazing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 434 | So I really do care about this, | 所以我真的很关心这个, |
| 435 | and I care about it not just because, you know, I can tell you, as I'm sure you could tell everybody | 我关心的不仅仅是因为,你知道, 我可以告诉你, 我相信你可以告诉每个人 |
| 436 | else, that when you have a three-month-old who's exposed to constant noise, it can be a problem | 否则,当你有一个三个月大的孩子 谁暴露在持续噪音, 它可能是一个问题 |
| 437 | for everybody, especially mom's sleep. | 每个人,特别是妈妈的睡眠。 |
| 438 | And so very, very mindful of that. | 如此,非常,非常铭记这一点。 |
| 439 | And I guess the way | 我猜测的方式 |
| 440 | I think about it is data centers can be good. | 我认为数据中心是好的。 |
| 441 | They can also, as in your case, cause real problems. | 他们也会像你们一样 造成真正的问题 |
| 442 | And I think there's some basic principles that we've tried to apply in the Trump administration. | 我认为有一些基本原则,我们已经尝试在特朗普政府中应用. |
| 443 | My guess is that that data center is a little older and wasn't built in the last year or so. | 我猜,这个数据中心有点老了, 去年没有建成。 |
| 444 | It's a bit complicated. | 有点复杂。 |
| 445 | So the building has always been there, but the company came in | 所以,大楼一直在那里, 但公司进来了 |
| 446 | and the data center took place around 2024. | 而数据中心则发生在2024年左右. |
| 447 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 448 | So I guess my point is, | 所以,我想我的观点是, |
| 449 | I think that we have to make sure that these things are good community members. | 我认为,我们必须确保这些东西是良好的社区成员。 |
| 450 | And there | 还有 |
| 451 | are a couple of examples of this where I think it's worked very well for the local community. | 这是几个例子 我认为这对当地社区非常有效。 |
| 452 | So there's an example in Louisiana of a data center where the local community, the local teachers, | 路易斯安那州有一个数据中心的例子 当地社区 当地教师 |
| 453 | are going to be getting $50,000 bonuses per teacher because of the revenue that's been | 每位教师将得到5万美元的奖金 因为收入已经 |
| 454 | generated by data centers, which I'm sure is going to make the school system a lot better, | 由数据中心生成的, 我敢肯定,这将会 使学校系统更好, |
| 455 | make the teachers a lot happier, and get them some of the money that they've earned. | 让老师们更加快乐, 并给他们一些他们挣来的钱。 |
| 456 | At the same time, that data center is going to feed electricity back into the grid. | 同时,该数据中心还将将电力反馈回电网. |
| 457 | And | 还有 |
| 458 | your complaint is about noise. | 你的抱怨是噪音 |
| 459 | One of the biggest complaints I've heard with data centers, | 我听过最大的投诉之一 在数据中心, |
| 460 | even from friends of mine who are typically pro-innovation, pro-technology, | 甚至来自我的朋友 他们通常支持创新, 支持技术, |
| 461 | is a data center went up and my power bill went up by $300. | 我的电费涨了300美元 |
| 462 | And that's totally unacceptable. | 这是完全不能接受的。 |
| 463 | And what we've done, it's called the Ratepayer Protection Pledge, is that we've effectively | 我们所做的,叫做 "利率支付者保护保证书", 是我们有效地 |
| 464 | required the data centers to say before they go into community, they're going to make sure that | 要求数据中心在进入社区前说 他们会确保 |
| 465 | they're good community citizens. | 他们是好市民 |
| 466 | They're going to be given teachers bonuses rather than making | 他们将获得教师奖金 而不是做 |
| 467 | it impossible for your three-month-old to sleep. | 你三个月大的小孩睡不着 |
| 468 | And I think that basic principle has to apply | 我认为基本原则必须适用 |
| 469 | because there is a good that comes from data centers too. | 因为数据中心也有好处 |
| 470 | And what I mean is that whenever | 我的意思是,每当 |
| 471 | we use AI on our phone, the actual work, the computation is actually being done at a data | 我们用AI在手机上, 实际工作, 计算实际上是在数据上进行 |
| 472 | center, whether it's in Michigan or anywhere else across the country. | 无论是在密歇根还是全国任何地方 |
| 473 | And we do know, and I've seen | 我们确实知道 我见过 |
| 474 | the intelligence reports, that our biggest competitor internationally, the People's Republic | 我们最大的竞争对手 人民共和国 |
| 475 | of China, they really, really want to beat us in this arms race of technology. | 他们真的想在这场技术军备竞赛中打败我们 |
| 476 | And so I think that | 所以我觉得 |
| 477 | so long as we follow a simple principle, that data centers have to be good citizens. | 只要我们遵循一个简单的原则, 数据中心必须是好的公民。 |
| 478 | They have to not | 他们不能 |
| 479 | build in a way that's going to make it impossible for your kids to sleep. | 让你的孩子无法入睡 |
| 480 | They have to feed power | 他们必须喂电 |
| 481 | back into the community. | 回到社区。 |
| 482 | They have to maybe some of the economic benefits they're generating, | 他们必须创造一些经济效益, |
| 483 | they can't just go to a few tech billionaires. | 他们不能只是去 几个技术亿万富翁。 |
| 484 | It has to go to the community writ large. | 它必须去社区 书状大。 |
| 485 | And I think if we follow that principle, we can actually solve your problem, but also a lot of the | 我认为,如果我们遵循这一原则, 我们实际上可以解决你的问题, |
| 486 | problems that people have with data centers too. | 人们的数据中心也有问题。 |
| 487 | But we have to do it. | 但我们必须这样做。 |
| 488 | We can't just say data centers | 我们不能只说数据中心 |
| 489 | are going to go in everywhere. | 将进入任何地方。 |
| 490 | I think that what we have to say is data centers can go in so long | 我想我们要说的是 数据中心可以进去这么久 |
| 491 | as local communities are okay with them and they can't have real benefits if they're done the right | 因为当地社区同意他们 并且他们不能有真正的好处 如果他们做了正确 |
| 492 | way. | 就是这样 |
| 493 | Thank you, Lindy. | 谢谢你,林迪。 |
| 494 | We have a lot of topics to get to, but you mentioned tech billionaires | 我们有很多话题要谈 但你提到了技术亿万富翁 |
| 495 | and when you take a step back on the data center question, for a lot of people, it's about cultural | 当你在数据中心问题上退一步 对很多人来说,这是关于文化的 |
| 496 | and political power. | 政治权力。 |
| 497 | It's about those tech billionaires. | 是关于那些技术亿万富翁的 |
| 498 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 499 | Do you feel like tech | 你感觉像技术 |
| 500 | billionaires have too much power over the country? | 亿万富翁对国家有太多权力? |
| 501 | Oh yes. | 对 |
| 502 | I mean, I've been saying that for 10 years. | 我的意思是,我已经说了10年了。 |
| 503 | And I say that as this person who actually knows the technology industry pretty well. | 我这样说,作为一个真正了解科技行业的人。 |
| 504 | I worked in the technology industry for a little while. | 我在科技行业工作了一段时间。 |
| 505 | Look, I think AI, there are a lot of people | 你看,我觉得AI,有很多人 |
| 506 | who focus on the risks and what are the benefits and what are the bad things. | 他们专注于风险,什么是好处,什么是坏东西。 |
| 507 | And sometimes you'll | 有时你会 |
| 508 | see one of these AI company CEOs. | 参见这些AI公司的CEO之一. |
| 509 | And I always laugh at this because if you think about it, | 我总是笑这个 因为如果你考虑一下 |
| 510 | it's really absurd for a tech CEO to come out and say, we have built this extremely dangerous | 一个技术首席执行官出来说,我们造了这个非常危险的 |
| 511 | product. | 产品。 |
| 512 | It's terrible. | 这太可怕了。 |
| 513 | And it's going to do all these terrible things. | 它会做所有这些可怕的事情。 |
| 514 | And what we need now is | 我们现在需要的是 |
| 515 | the government's help. | 政府帮助。 |
| 516 | And my response to that is, no, no, no, no. | 我的反应是,不,不,不,不。 |
| 517 | If you've built a dangerous | 如果你造了一个危险的东西 |
| 518 | product and you know you were building a dangerous product, that's on you. | 产品,你知道 你正在制造一个危险产品, 这是你的。 |
| 519 | It's not up to the | 这不取决于 |
| 520 | government or your fellow citizens to come and bail you out. | 政府或你的同胞 来保释你。 |
| 521 | Build safe products. | 建设安全产品. |
| 522 | And one of the | 其中一个 |
| 523 | principles that we followed in the Trump administration, and we have been to be clear, | 我们在特朗普政府所遵循的原则, 我们一直很清楚, |
| 524 | we've been pro-innovation. | 我们一直支持创新 |
| 525 | We want people to build in the United States of America. | 我们希望人们在美国建设。 |
| 526 | But if you're a technology company, you have responsibility for what you build. | 但是,如果你是一个技术公司, 你的责任是你的建设。 |
| 527 | So if it | 所以,如果是这样 |
| 528 | creates great benefits and it's a great product, wonderful. | 创造巨大的利益,它是一个伟大的产品,美妙。 |
| 529 | Everybody benefits. | 每个人都受益。 |
| 530 | However, if it | 不过,如果 |
| 531 | creates, and we think that's the right approach to take to this particular thing. | 创造,我们认为这是 正确的方法来对待这个特定的事情。 |
| 532 | Tony, the way I worry most about the tech industry, because you saw this back in 2020, | Tony 我最担心的是科技行业 因为你在2020年就看到了 |
| 533 | who here knows somebody who said something on Facebook or on YouTube and was immediately | 谁在这里认识的人 谁在脸书或YouTube上 说了些什么,并立即 |
| 534 | banned from their social media account because they said something that turned out to be totally | 他们的社交媒体账户被禁 因为他们说的东西 最终是完全的 |
| 535 | true, that everybody agreed on two years later. | 是的,大家都同意两年后。 |
| 536 | My biggest concern is that we have to be clear | 我最担心的是我们必须明白 |
| 537 | that the American people and the First Amendment drives what we're allowed to say in our country, | 美国人民和第一修正案 推动我们国家允许说的话, |
| 538 | not tech leaders. | 不是技术领导 |
| 539 | And that's one of the ways in which the president, I think, has been a leader | 这也是总统作为领袖的方式之一 |
| 540 | on this, not just the past couple of years, but the past 10 years is the First Amendment | 不仅在过去的几年里,而且过去10年是第一修正案 |
| 541 | determines what we're allowed to say in the United States of America, not some billionaire. | 确定我们在美国可以说什么 而不是亿万富翁 |
| 542 | All right, Vice President Vance, I want to move on to immigration. | 好吧,副总统万斯,我想继续移民 |
| 543 | Another topic that stirs | 另一个引起骚动的主题 |
| 544 | passionate opinion in this country. | 这个国家充满热情的见解 |
| 545 | 今晚我们有个选民 Nancy Sylvester | |
| 546 | Sister Nancy Sylvester from Sisters Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary Congregation in Monroe. | 修女南希·西尔维斯特 来自梦露圣母玛利亚圣心的修女仆人 |
| 547 | She's got a question for you, Sister Nancy. | 她有个问题要问你 Nancy修女 |
| 548 | Right here. | 就在这里。 |
| 549 | Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | 谢谢你,副总统先生 |
| 550 | We have sisters who minister at the southern border in United States, as well as here around | 我们的姐妹在美国南部边境 以及这里 |
| 551 | Detroit. | 底特律。 底特律。 |
| 552 | And they are constantly seeing families who are affected by our immigration policies. | 他们不断看到受我们移民政策影响的家庭。 |
| 553 | They see the trauma of children who are separated from their parents, sometimes on a moment's notice, | 他们看到了与父母分离的儿童的创伤,有时在一瞬间, |
| 554 | they go to school and they come back and they're not there. | 他们去上学,他们回来 他们不在那里。 |
| 555 | And they have to sort of fend for | 他们必须面对 |
| 556 | themselves. | 他们自己。 |
| 557 | And so the sisters see the kind of effect, the fear and violence of the ICE behavior. | 于是姐妹们看到了ICE行为的效应,恐惧和暴力. |
| 558 | We know the complexity of this issue. | 我们知道这个问题的复杂性。 |
| 559 | But what really pains us is how it's being implemented | 但真正令我们痛苦的是它是如何执行的 |
| 560 | in such ways. | 以这种方式。 |
| 561 | And so I'm going to sort of know that both of us share the same faith. | 所以我要知道,我们有同样的信念。 |
| 562 | We may not | 我们可能不会 |
| 563 | always agree because I understand you don't always even agree with our Pope sometimes. | 总是同意,因为我理解 你有时甚至不会同意我们的教宗 |
| 564 | And so I want to, though, wonder what would you say, how would you justify to people of faith, | 所以我想,虽然,想知道 你会说什么, 你如何为信仰的人辩护, |
| 565 | especially those of us who try to follow the gospel, how the behavior of the ICE men and women | 特别是我们中那些试图遵循福音的人, 如何表现ICE男女的行为 |
| 566 | can constantly be justified in terms of the kind of values we want to live by. | 从我们所希望的价值观类型来看,这种价值观是永远合理的。 |
| 567 | And also, | 还有, |
| 568 | what policies would you advocate to try to promote more compassionate and | 你提倡什么政策来推动更富有同情心和 |
| 569 | respective behavior toward our immigrant sisters and brothers? | 对移民兄弟姐妹的行为? |
| 570 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 571 | Well, Sister Nancy, I appreciate you and hopefully I'll be in your prayers as you'll | 南希修女,我很感激你 希望我能和您一样祈祷 |
| 572 | certainly be in mine. | 肯定在我的身边 |
| 573 | And on the subject of the Pope, just because you brought him up, | 关于教皇的问题 就因为你把他提起来 |
| 574 | he just had a lung cancer diagnosis. | 他刚刚做了肺癌诊断 |
| 575 | But as I understand, his health is in a good place. | 但据我所知 他的健康状况很好 |
| 576 | So | 这么说 |
| 577 | I hope all Christians and people of faith will join me in praying for the Pope because I think | 我希望所有基督徒和信仰者都会和我一起为教皇祈祷,因为我认为 |
| 578 | he's a good man and obviously the first American Pope, which is something we're very proud of. | 他是个好人,显然也是第一位美国教皇,这是我们非常自豪的事. |
| 579 | So let me say, one, we're trying to strike the right balance. | 所以,让我说,第一,我们试图达到正确的平衡。 |
| 580 | And when you have a country | 当你有一个国家 |
| 581 | where approximately 25 million illegal aliens have come in over the past 30 or so years, | 过去30年左右,约有2 500万非法外国人进入, |
| 582 | many of them completely unchecked and unvetted, we're trying to strike a balance between how do | 他们中许多人完全不受约束,而且没有经过审查, 我们试图在如何实现平衡 |
| 583 | we do law enforcement, but how do we also do it humanely? | 我们负责执法,但我们如何人道地做? |
| 584 | And how do we not do so little law | 我们如何不做这么小的法律 |
| 585 | enforcement that you actually empower some of the worst people in the world? | 强制你真正赋予一些世界上最差的人权力? |
| 586 | Are you not striking that balance? | 你没有达到平衡吗? |
| 587 | Well, I think that it is constantly a | 嗯,我认为它是一个不断 |
| 588 | work in progress. | 正在开展的工作。 |
| 589 | When you're talking about millions and millions of people and hundreds | 当你在谈论上百万人和上百人 |
| 590 | and hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers, we've even just in the past year or so | 和数十万的执法人员, 我们甚至刚刚一年左右 |
| 591 | increased training protocols because I do think the men and women of ICE, by the way, | 增加训练协议 因为我确实认为 ICE的男女,顺便说一句, |
| 592 | it's like the men and women of law enforcement. | 就像执法部门的人 |
| 593 | Most of them are amazing people who are patriots | 他们大多是爱国者 |
| 594 | and they want to do a good job protecting their country. | 他们想做好保护祖国的工作 |
| 595 | Sometimes you have some people who make | 有时你有一些人 谁做 |
| 596 | mistakes. | 错误。 |
| 597 | Sometimes you have some people who really screw up. | 有时你有些人真的搞砸了 |
| 598 | And obviously we have a | 显然,我们有一个 |
| 599 | responsibility to prosecute, investigate when people do screw up. | 负责起诉,调查 当人们真的搞砸了。 |
| 600 | What are some of those times | 这些时代是什么? |
| 601 | that I think is important? | 我认为很重要? |
| 602 | She's seen the things that we've all seen online, these incidents that | 她看到的东西 我们都在网上看到, 这些事件, |
| 603 | come up. | 上来 |
| 604 | A lot of times people talk about them before they're investigated. | 很多时候人们在被调查前会谈论他们. |
| 605 | You just mentioned | 你刚才提到 |
| 606 | times where there have been mistakes and there have been investigations, but I actually haven't | 有错误和有调查, 但我实际上没有 |
| 607 | heard you talk about those. | 听到你谈论这些。 |
| 608 | What comes to mind for you as the biggest mistakes in this ICE policy | 作为ICE政策的最大错误,你想到了什么? |
| 609 | rollout? | 推出? |
| 610 | There are a number of cases where we've investigated and either provided further training | 我们调查了一些案件 要么提供了进一步的培训 |
| 611 | or sometimes even provided disciplinary situations within ICE. | 有时甚至会在ICE内提供纪律情况。 |
| 612 | We don't always advertise that stuff, | 我们并不总是 广告的东西, |
| 613 | as you know, Tony, because we believe that people have to be judged in a court of law and through a | 托尼,你知道的,因为我们相信 人们必须在法庭上通过 |
| 614 | normal investigatory process. | 正常的调查程序。 |
| 615 | We don't jump in and try to accuse people just again because what | 我们不跳进去试图指责别人 只是因为什么 |
| 616 | we've seen in a news media article. | 我们在媒体上看到过 |
| 617 | But I think Sister Nancy's point, because I'm sure, Sister, | 但我认为南茜修女的观点, 因为我确定,修女, |
| 618 | you're the people working with you. | 你是与你共事的人们。 |
| 619 | I'm sure they're doing amazing ministry work and are very | 我敢肯定,他们正在做 惊人的部内工作,非常 |
| 620 | grateful for it. | 感谢它。 |
| 621 | What I would say is that what we saw over the last five years, before we came in, | 我想说的是,我们在过去5年里看到的, 在我们进来之前, |
| 622 | I mean, is we have to talk about the fact that drug cartels were sex trafficking thousands and | 我的意思是,是我们必须谈论的事实 毒品卡特尔是性贩运上千和 |
| 623 | thousands of children, thousands of thousands of girls who were sold into sex slavery. | 数以千计的儿童,数以千计的女童被贩卖成为性奴隶。 |
| 624 | Of course, | 当然 |
| 625 | the fentanyl trade, which killed a lot of people in Michigan. | 在密歇根州杀死很多人的芬太尼交易 |
| 626 | So I do think despite what some people | 所以,我确实认为,尽管有些人 |
| 627 | say in the press, I promise you that we wake up every day and we try to balance law enforcement | 在媒体上说,我向你保证,我们每天醒来,努力平衡执法 |
| 628 | with humane law enforcement. | 与人道执法. |
| 629 | And of course, when you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of law | 当然,当你处理 数十万法律 |
| 630 | enforcement officials, you're never going to get everything perfect. | 执法人员,你永远不会得到一切完美。 |
| 631 | But I think the men and women | 但我觉得男人和女人 |
| 632 | of ICE, by and large, have done a good job. | 总的来说,ICE的工作做得不错。 |
| 633 | And where there are people who have screwed up, | 哪里有人搞错了 |
| 634 | of course, they should suffer consequences. | 当然,他们应该承受后果。 |
| 635 | So just taking a step back. | 所以往后退一点 |
| 636 | Go ahead, Sister Nancy. | 说吧,南希修女 |
| 637 | Please. | 请 |
| 638 | I want, I'm interested in how, from your very core of your faith, how would you want to be, | 我想,我感兴趣 如何,从你的核心 你的信仰,你会怎么想, |
| 639 | how do you want to treat immigrants? | 你想怎样对待移民? |
| 640 | Because in many cases, we get, they all are called terrorists | 因为在很多情况下,我们得到, 他们都叫恐怖分子 |
| 641 | sometimes by people. | 有时是被人 |
| 642 | They are misaligned. | 他们搞错了 |
| 643 | How does, what would you want? | 怎么样,你想要什么? |
| 644 | How would you want to do it? | 你想怎样做? |
| 645 | Sister Nancy, actually, our next question is on that same point. | Nancy修女 事实上 我们的下一个问题也是在同一个方面 |
| 646 | So I want to make this, | 所以我想做这个, |
| 647 | you've got Sister Nancy's question there, how you treat immigrants, the words that you use. | 你有南茜修女的问题, 你如何对待移民, 你使用的词。 |
| 648 | There's another voter here who's concerned that your immigration policy has been swept up into | 这里还有另一个选民担心 你的移民政策被卷进了 |
| 649 | this broader anti-immigrant sentiment. | 这种更广泛的反移民情绪。 |
| 650 | Niv Agaram is here with a question. | 尼夫·阿加兰在这里有一个问题。 |
| 651 | Hey, my name is Niv. | 嘿,我的名字是尼夫。 - 嘿,我叫尼夫。 |
| 652 | и | |
| 653 | family and I immigrated here about 20 years ago and I became a citizen about five years ago. | 家人和我20年前移民到这里 五年前我成为公民 |
| 654 | So | 这么说 |
| 655 | you were the first person I voted for, actually. | 实际上 你是我投的第一个人 |
| 656 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 657 | Congratulations and welcome. | 祝贺和欢迎。 |
| 658 | One reason, because of the reasons you just mentioned, I was concerned about border safety, | 一个原因,因为你刚才提到的原因, 我担心边境安全, |
| 659 | as in the trafficking and the drugs, not because I think immigrants actually take away jobs from | 而不是因为我认为移民会从毒品走私中 夺走工作 |
| 660 | Americans, but after seeing ICE behave like military police and you recently call H1 visa | 美国人,但看到ICE的行为 像宪兵,你最近打电话给H1签证 |
| 661 | workers foreign indentured servants, I think Americans are anything but safe. | 外国契约工的仆人 我认为美国人是安全的 |
| 662 | So I'm just | 所以,我刚刚 |
| 663 | curious, why are you scapegoating immigrants for the issues you're supposed to be solving | 好奇的是,为什么你们要替移民 解决你应该解决的问题 |
| 664 | as a vice president? | 作为副总统? |
| 665 | So, Niv, first of all, I appreciate the question. | 所以,Niv,首先,我很感激这个问题。 |
| 666 | And I would say, | 我会说, |
| 667 | and to the extent that my rhetoric has been imperfect here, that's on me. | 并且因为我的言辞 一直不完美 在这里,这就是我的责任。 |
| 668 | But what I said | 但我说 |
| 669 | about certain visa holders, certain H1B visas, not the entire category, is here's what happens | 关于某些签证持有者, 某些H1B签证, 而不是整个类别, 这里发生的情况 |
| 670 | 带H1B | |
| 671 | You may know a lot about this, but other people may not, is when they come in on an | 你可能知道很多 但其他人可能不知道 当他们进来的时候 |
| 672 | H1B, they're very often coming in and the company is certifying that they're doing a job that they | H1B,他们经常进来 公司正在证明他们在做他们的工作 |
| 673 | can't find an alternative American labor applicant for. | 找不到其他的美国劳工申请者 |
| 674 | And importantly, their visa is their only | 重要的是,他们的签证是他们唯一的 |
| 675 | lifeline to the United States of America. | 美国生命线. |
| 676 | So when I say an indentured servant, that's not a criticism | 所以当我说契约仆人,这不是批评 |
| 677 | of the H1B visa holder. | H1B签证持有人。 |
| 678 | That's a criticism of a company who brings a person in, who sometimes | 那是对公司的一个批评 公司把一个人带进来,他有时 |
| 679 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}会解雇一个美国工人 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}带别人进来 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}认识那个人 | |
| 680 | If they | 如果他们 |
| 681 | complain, if they get too uppity at work, if they have a disagreement with their boss, | 抱怨,如果他们在工作上太生气, 如果他们和老板有分歧, |
| 682 | they couldn't just lose their job, which is what could happen to any American citizen, | 他们不能就这么丢掉工作 任何美国公民都会这样 |
| 683 | could happen to me in a couple of years. | 可能发生在我身上 在几年。 |
| 684 | It's what fundamentally, they can be shipped back to | 根本上来说,他们可以被运回 |
| 685 | their country of origin. | 他们的原籍国。 |
| 686 | And I think that gives employers way too much power. | 我认为这给了雇主太多的权力。 |
| 687 | That's not a | 这不是一个 |
| 688 | criticism, again, maybe my rhetoric has been imperfect here, but of the person holding the | 或许我的言辞不完美, |
| 689 | visa, it's a criticism of the visa system that allows people to be treated effectively as | 签证,是对签证制度的批评,允许人们被有效视为 |
| 690 | indentured servants that can be shipped back to their country of origin. | 契约佣人,可运回原籍国。 |
| 691 | Now, to your other | 现在,你另一个 |
| 692 | question about the demonization of immigrants, you know where my family comes from, and I love my | 关于移民妖魔化的问题,你知道我的家人来自哪里,我爱我 |
| 693 | mother-in-law and father-in-law who immigrated from South India, and obviously their daughter, | 从南印度移民的岳母和岳父 显然他们的女儿 |
| 694 | born in the United States of America, is now the second lady, and I'm very proud of her, and I love | 出生于美国,现在是第二位女士,我很为她骄傲,我爱她 |
| 695 | her very much. | 她非常喜欢。 |
| 696 | But I think that we can have a respect and a welcome to people who want to | 但我认为,我们可以有一个尊重和欢迎的人 谁想 |
| 697 | to the United States of America, I'm sure as you do, as certainly my wife and her family does, | 我敢肯定,就像你一样, 我的妻子和她的家人, |
| 698 | but also recognize that if you're a major corporation, let's say you're a trillion dollar | 也承认,如果你是大公司, 假设你是万亿元 |
| 699 | company, and you bring in somebody, an accountant, and you say that you cannot hire an accountant | 公司,你带来某人,一个会计师, 你说你不能雇用一个会计师 |
| 700 | from your existing labor pool, and when you're doing that, you fire an accountant that was already | 从你现有的劳动力池, 当你这样做时, 你解雇一个会计已经 |
| 701 | on the payroll, that's not fairness. | 在工资,这是不公平的。 |
| 702 | It's not good for the immigrant, and it's not good for | 这对移民不利,对 |
| 703 | I do think that we can strike that balance in the right way. | 我认为我们能够以正确的方式实现这种平衡。 |
| 704 | I think that our immigration | 我认为我们的移民 |
| 705 | system has to balance the fact that obviously we have duties of charity to people, people who | 系统必须平衡以下事实: 显然,我们有责任 慈善给人民,人民 |
| 706 | want to come to the United States of America and build a better life. | 想要来美国 建立一个更好的生活。 |
| 707 | They're not talking about | 他们不是在说 |
| 708 | the system or the policy, they're talking about the rhetoric, the language, that what they see | 系统或政策, 他们谈论的辞令,语言, 他们看到的 |
| 709 | is dehumanization of immigrants. | 是对移民的非人性化。 |
| 710 | Sure, and Tony, I will tell you that nobody's perfect, certainly | 当然,托尼,我会告诉你 没有人是完美的,当然 |
| 711 | not me, but my goal here is not to dehumanize any immigrant. | 不是我,但我的目标不是 贬低任何移民 |
| 712 | In fact, I love a number of immigrants. | 事实上,我爱一些移民。 |
| 713 | My goal here is to make it so that we can have a country with some baseline of social cohesion | 我在这里的目标是,使它能够有一个具有某种社会凝聚力基线的国家。 |
| 714 | and sense of community, because what happens when too many people come to the United States, | 和集体感, 因为当太多的人来到美国, |
| 715 | even if they're very good people, Sister Nancy, when too many people come to the United States | 就算他们都是好人 南希修女 当太多人来美国的时候 |
| 716 | too quickly, it changes the country in very profound ways. | 这太快了,它深刻地改变了国家。 |
| 717 | I have neighbors, | 我有邻居 |
| 718 | I have friends of mine who literally don't know a single person in their neighborhood who speaks | 我有朋友,其实不认识 邻居里一个会说话的人 |
| 719 | the language they do. | 他们使用的语言。 |
| 720 | Now, that's not a criticism of anybody, but I don't think it's unreasonable | 现在,这不是批评任何人, 但我不认为这是不合理的 |
| 721 | for an American citizen to want to share their community with people they have something in | 一个美国公民想要 分享他们的社区的人 他们有的东西在 |
| 722 | common with. | 与该词相同。 |
| 723 | I think our immigration system has to build that. | 我认为我们的移民制度必须建立起来。 |
| 724 | It has to obviously be charitable | 这显然是慈善性的 |
| 725 | to people. | 对人们。 |
| 726 | It has to welcome people who are going to contribute to the country, but it also has to | 它必须欢迎那些为国家作出贡献的人,但也必须 |
| 727 | do it so quickly that we fundamentally transform the country in a bad way. | 迅速行动,使我们从根本上改变国家。 |
| 728 | Mr. Vice President, | 副总统先生, |
| 729 | the war in Iran has gone on much longer than I think a lot of people expected, certainly people | 伊朗战争持续的时间 比很多人预期的要长得多 肯定还有人 |
| 730 | in the administration. | 在行政部门。 |
| 731 | I have really just one big question on Iran. | 我有一个关于伊朗的大问题。 |
| 732 | Why haven't we won decisively? | 为什么我们还没赢? |
| 733 | Well, Tony, I would say in some ways we have won decisively, but the Iranians, the enemy gets a | 那个 托尼,我想说,在某些方面,我们已经取得了决定性的胜利, 但是伊朗人,敌人得到一个 |
| 734 | vote here and they have responded in certain ways. | 他们以某些方式作出了回应。 |
| 735 | And so to step back a little bit, why did the | 为了退后一点,为什么 |
| 736 | United States do this? | 美国这样做? |
| 737 | The President of the United States did this because he believes it is very | 美国总统这么做是因为他认为 |
| 738 | important. | 这很重要 |
| 739 | And I think he's right. | 我觉得他是对的 |
| 740 | I think most people here would agree if they don't agree with | 我想这里的大多数人会同意 如果他们不同意 |
| 741 | all the particulars of the policy to say Iran, the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, | 说伊朗是世界上最大的恐怖主义赞助国 |
| 742 | cannot have a nuclear weapon. | 无法拥有核武器。 |
| 743 | That would be a massive thing that they could threaten. | 这会是他们可以威胁的大事 |
| 744 | That's | 这是 |
| 745 | also potentially something they could use to kill millions of innocent civilians. | 也可能是用来杀害数百万无辜平民的东西。 |
| 746 | So Iran cannot | 因此,伊朗无法 |
| 747 | have a nuclear weapon. | 拥有核武器。 |
| 748 | Now, have we destroyed the Iranian nuclear program? | 现在,我们是否摧毁了伊朗的核计划? |
| 749 | The answer is yes. | 答为是. |
| 750 | So what are we doing now? | 那么我们现在在做什么? |
| 751 | There are two things that we're trying to accomplish. | 有两件事我们正在努力实现。 |
| 752 | Number one, | 第一个 |
| 753 | ensure the Iranians make a long-term but also verifiable commitment that they're not going to | 确保伊朗人做出长期但可核查的承诺,他们不会 |
| 754 | rebuild. | 重建 。 |
| 755 | You have to wonder, not over the administration of Donald Trump, because this | 你必须想知道,不是针对唐纳德·特朗普的政府, 因为这个 |
| 756 | stuff takes a while, but five years from now. | 东西需要一段时间, 但五年后。 |
| 757 | Could the Iranians rebuild that nuclear arsenal? | 伊朗人能否重建核武库? |
| 758 | Could they try to rebuild that enrichment capacity? | 他们能否努力重建这种浓缩能力? |
| 759 | So that's number one. | 所以这是第一。 |
| 760 | But then number two is, | 但第二点是, |
| 761 | when we destroyed their nuclear program, the Iranians responded by terrorizing commercial | 当我们摧毁他们的核计划时,伊朗人的反应是恐吓商业 |
| 762 | shipping. | 运输。 |
| 763 | And that's, of course, the big reason why, or one of the big reasons, I should say, | 当然,这就是为什么,或者其中一个大原因,我应该说, |
| 764 | energy prices have gone up. | 能源价格已经上涨。 |
| 765 | And so what we have to do is simultaneously make sure that we get the | 因此,我们必须做的是 同时确保我们得到 |
| 766 | final firm commitment from the Iranians that they're not going to rebuild their nuclear program. | 伊朗人最后坚定承诺 他们不会重建核计划 |
| 767 | But | 不过 |
| 768 | we also have to ensure that we don't have a worldwide energy crisis. | 我们还必须确保不发生全球能源危机。 |
| 769 | And again, I will be | 再说一遍,我会 |
| 770 | the first to tell you, gas prices are too high. | 首先告诉你, 天然气价格太高。 |
| 771 | They would be three times as high if it weren't | 如果不是的话,会高三倍 |
| 772 | for the United States Navy keeping oil and gas moving out of the Strait of Hormuz. | 美国海军将石油和天然气运出霍尔木兹海峡。 |
| 773 | So if we just | 所以,如果我们只是 |
| 774 | give up, then we walk away and say, oh, we destroyed their nuclear program, who cares? | 放弃,然后我们离开 然后说,哦,我们摧毁了他们的核计划, 谁在乎呢? |
| 775 | Energy prices are going to go way up. | 能源价格将大幅上涨。 |
| 776 | And that's something the president of the United States, | 美国总统就是这样 |
| 777 | he wants American consumers to see that relief. | 他希望美国消费者看到这种缓解。 |
| 778 | You have seen gas prices not as low as they should | 你看,气价没有那么低 |
| 779 | be, but come down from their highest point of the conflict. | 但从冲突的最高点下来 |
| 780 | And that's something we have to keep | 这是我们必须保留的东西 |
| 781 | working on. | 继续工作 |
| 782 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 783 | Well, Vice President Vance, gas prices are one cost of this war. | 副总统万斯 天然气价格是这场战争的代价之一 |
| 784 | They're also human costs as well. | 他们也是人的代价 |
| 785 | And with us in the audience tonight is Joey Amor, whose wife, | 我们今晚的观众是Joey Amor 她的妻子 |
| 786 | a U.S. soldier, Master Sergeant Nicole Amor, was killed in March in an Iranian airstrike. | 一名美国士兵Nicole Amor中士于3月在伊朗空袭中丧生。 |
| 787 | Joey, your floor is yours. | 乔伊,你的地板是你的。 |
| 788 | God bless you, Joey. | 上帝保佑你,乔伊 |
| 789 | And thank you for your service. | 并谢侍中. |
| 790 | Thank you, sir. | 谢谢你,先生。 |
| 791 | And Herve. | 还有赫夫 |
| 792 | Mr. Vice President, my wife, Master Sergeant Nicole Amor gave her life on March 1st, | 副总统先生 我的妻子 尼科尔·阿莫尔中士在3月1日献出了生命 |
| 793 | 2026. | 2026 (英语). |
| 794 | I am damn proud of my wife. | 我为我妻子骄傲 |
| 795 | As you should be. | 应如是. |
| 796 | And the five soldiers that stood next to her, | 还有站在她旁边的五个士兵 |
| 797 | that died alongside with her. | 死在她身边 |
| 798 | Excuse me. | 对不起。 |
| 799 | Take your time, man. | 慢慢来 |
| 800 | Take your time. | 慢慢来 |
| 801 | They raised their right hand and they gave an oath. | 他们举起右手,盟誓, |
| 802 | They understood what they were doing. | 他们明白自己在做什么 |
| 803 | They understood the sacrifice that they were potentially giving. | 他们理解他们可能付出的牺牲。 |
| 804 | You understand that oath. | 你明白那个誓言。 |
| 805 | I understand that oath. | 我明白那个誓言 |
| 806 | There are now six families living in a nightmare. | 现在有六个家庭生活在一场噩梦中. |
| 807 | That is, it is a hard price to pay. | 也就是说,这是一个艰难的代价。 |
| 808 | Though the Iranian drone was the weapon that killed my wife, | 虽然伊朗无人机是杀死我妻子的武器 |
| 809 | there were a lot of mistakes and a lot of fundamental failures that led up to that. | 有许多错误和许多根本的失败导致了这种情况。 |
| 810 | I believe CBS has reported on that. | 我相信CBS已经报道了 |
| 811 | My wife has told me things before she passed. | 我妻子在去世前告诉我一些事情 |
| 812 | There are other soldiers that know things that are being quiet about certain aspects of this. | 还有一些士兵知道一些事情 对某些方面很安静 |
| 813 | There's a failure in the leadership. | 领导班子出现失误. |
| 814 | And I want to know how this administration is going to start | 我想知道本届政府将如何开始 |
| 815 | holding those leaders accountable for the actions and the deaths of the soldiers that we | 要求这些领导人对我们士兵的行动和死亡负责 |
| 816 | honor and that we love. | 荣誉和我们爱的。 |
| 817 | So, Joey, first of all, | 乔伊 首先 |
| 818 | I owe and the whole country owes your family a debt of gratitude that is quite literally | 我欠你的 整个国家都欠你家人的感激 |
| 819 | impossible to repay. | 无法偿还。 |
| 820 | I won't pretend that anything that I say is going to make it better | 我不会假装我说的一切都会更好 |
| 821 | or easier, but I hope it helps a little bit to know that your wife was a precious human being | 或更容易,但我希望它能帮助一点点 知道你的妻子是一个宝贵的人 |
| 822 | who served her country honorably. | 荣誉地为她的国家服务 |
| 823 | And I'm never going to forget about her. | 我永远不会忘记她 |
| 824 | I'm never going to | 我永远不会 |
| 825 | forget this conversation. | 忘了这个谈话。 |
| 826 | And I want to continue this conversation offline because that raises the | 我想继续这段对话 离线,因为这提高了 |
| 827 | second point. | 第二点。 |
| 828 | When you talk about failures that we were implicated, the administration, | 当你谈论失败 我们被牵连,行政部门, |
| 829 | the Department of War, whoever you want to say was implicated in, I want to know about that stuff. | 战争部,无论你想说谁 被牵连, 我想知道的东西。 |
| 830 | Because if there were failures, and I don't doubt there were, literally the first time I've heard of | 因为,如果有失败, 我并不怀疑有, 字面上我第一次听到 |
| 831 | this is this conversation. | 这就是谈话 |
| 832 | And I want to fix that stuff. | 我想修补那些东西。 |
| 833 | I do not want this stuff to happen. | 我不想发生这种事 |
| 834 | I will say, Joey, we have tried to learn because warfare has changed. | 我会说,乔伊,我们试图学习 因为战争已经改变了。 |
| 835 | Drones are cheap. | 无人机便宜. |
| 836 | They're | 他们是 |
| 837 | very deadly. | 非常致命。 |
| 838 | They're easy to manufacture. | 它们很容易制造 |
| 839 | And we have changed a lot of our tactics to try to | 我们改变了很多策略 |
| 840 | suppress that drone fire, to try to protect our troops, to make it so that more people | 压制无人机的火力 保护我们的军队 让更多的人 |
| 841 | don't have to pay the ultimate sacrifice. | 不必付出最后的牺牲 |
| 842 | But I want to understand what we can do better | 但我想了解我们能做得更好 |
| 843 | and what those soldiers are seeing. | 还有那些士兵所看到的 |
| 844 | Because part of the problem of this job, this job is | 因为这个工作的一部分问题,这是 |
| 845 | but you live in a bit of a bubble. | 但你生活在一个有点泡沫。 |
| 846 | And sometimes information doesn't filter up to me. | 有时信息不会渗透到我身上 |
| 847 | This is an | 这个是 |
| 848 | opportunity for it to filter right directly to me. | 有机会直接过滤给我 |
| 849 | And I promise you, I will take every single | 我答应你,我会把每一个 |
| 850 | failure extremely seriously and will work on it. | 失败是极其严重的,并将努力解决这个问题。 |
| 851 | And I promise you that one of the ways that I'm | 我答应你,我的方式之一 |
| 852 | going to show gratitude to your wife is by taking this seriously and trying to figure out what | 要对你妻子表示感激 就是要认真对待这件事 试着弄清楚 |
| 853 | exactly happened and what exactly we can do better. | 以及我们能做的更好 |
| 854 | Now, it may be that some of the things | 也许有些事情 |
| 855 | you're talking about are things where our tactics have already improved. | 你说的是我们战术已有改进的东西 |
| 856 | I know that there's some | 我知道这里有些 |
| 857 | issues with, for example, just to get into the nitty-gritty a little bit, there were issues with | 比如说,为了稍微进一点小问题, |
| 858 | how, where troops were located that we realized was a huge mistake and that we could do better on. | 如何,在哪里的部队位置 我们意识到这是一个巨大的错误, 我们可以做得更好。 |
| 859 | And we have changed that. | 我们已经改变了这一点。 |
| 860 | And I'm not going to get into the details because, God forbid, | 我不打算谈细节 因为 上帝不允许 |
| 861 | I don't want the Iranians to learn something else where they're going to use to target somebody | 我不想让伊朗人学到其他东西 用来对付别人 |
| 862 | else's wife or somebody else's mother. | 别人的妻子或者别人的母亲。 |
| 863 | But man, I promise you, this is not something I'm going to | 但是,男人,我向你保证, 这不是我要去的东西 |
| 864 | forget. | 忘记吧 |
| 865 | And I want to talk to those soldiers and I want to talk to you to better understand | 我想和那些士兵谈谈 我想和你们谈谈 |
| 866 | what we can do. | 我们能做的。 |
| 867 | It sounds like he's resolved to look into this for you. | 听起来他已经下定决心帮你查了 |
| 868 | Does his answer satisfy | 他的回答是否满足 |
| 869 | you for the purpose of this conversation? | 你是为了这个谈话吗? |
| 870 | You'll continue it offline or do you? | 你还是继续下线? |
| 871 | And you guys, | 还有你们 |
| 872 | you're going to continue talking? | 你要继续说话吗? |
| 873 | I promise you I'll work on it. | 我保证我会努力的 |
| 874 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 875 | God bless you. | 上帝保佑你们。 |
| 876 | Mr. Vice President, something that happened right here in the state of Michigan, it was back in March | 副总统先生,在密歇根州发生的事情, 是在3月。 |
| 877 | when a terrorist inspired by Hezbollah drove a pickup truck into Temple Israel in West Bloomfield, | 当一名受真主党启发的恐怖分子驾驶一辆皮卡进入西布卢姆菲尔德的以色列圣殿时, |
| 878 | not far from where we're sitting. | 离我们坐的地方不远 |
| 879 | There were hundreds of school children inside at the time. | 当时有数百名在校儿童在里面. |
| 880 | And tonight in the audience is a father of some of those children, Eddie Rubin. | 今晚在观众席上是那些孩子的父亲 艾迪·鲁宾 |
| 881 | Eddie, the floor is | 埃迪,地板是 |
| 882 | | |
| 883 | First off, apologize. | 首先,请道歉。 |
| 884 | You came hoping for Buckeyes and Republicans. | 你来找白凯和共和党 |
| 885 | I'm a Wolverine and a | 我是一个狼和一个 |
| 886 | daughter and my three-year-old son survived the terrorist attack at their preschool housed | 女儿和我三岁的儿子 在他们学前班的恐怖袭击中幸存下来 |
| 887 | in our synagogue on March 12th, just a few miles away from here. | 在3月12日的犹太会堂里 就在几英里外 |
| 888 | I am very concerned about the | 我非常关心 |
| 889 | rise in anti-Semitism in this country. | 这个国家的反犹太主义抬头。 |
| 890 | As a lifelong Democrat, I've traveled to D.C. | 作为终身的民主党人,我去过华盛顿. |
| 891 | I've | 我见过 |
| 892 | pushed back against my own party and will have trouble and not the ability to feel comfortable | 背着我的派对 会有麻烦 而不是感到舒服的能力 |
| 893 | voting for our Democratic candidate in this election cycle. | 在这个选举周期里,投票支持我们的民主党候选人。 |
| 894 | But I'm not here to find out | 但我不是来查的 |
| 895 | what he may or may not be doing. | 他可能或不会做什么。 |
| 896 | I want to know what you will commit to doing about this problem | 我想知道你打算如何解决这个问题 |
| 897 | with the right. | 右边 |
| 898 | Will you publicly confront influential people like Tucker Carlson in | 你会公开面对有影响力的人 像塔克卡尔森在 |
| 899 | your own coalition who continue to spread anti-Semitic rhetoric that has put a target | 继续散布反犹太言论的联盟 |
| 900 | on my children's back? | 在我的孩子的背上吗? |
| 901 | So Eddie, first of all, to be clear, you're five and three-year-old are okay? | 所以埃迪 首先要说清楚 你五岁三岁还好吧 |
| 902 | Okay is a relative term. | 好吧,这是一个相对的术语。 |
| 903 | Are they here with us? | 他们和我们在一起吗? |
| 904 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 905 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 906 | My daughter, still, | 我女儿还是... |
| 907 | it allowed bang, dropped to the floor in coverage protection and cry, allowed noises and tries to | 它允许爆炸, 投到地板上保护 和哭泣, 允许噪音和试图 |
| 908 | understand what she's experienced. | 了解她的经历 |
| 909 | Not okay from that perspective. | 从这个角度来说,还不行。 |
| 910 | And I'm very, very sorry about | 我非常,非常抱歉,因为 |
| 911 | that. | 那个 |
| 912 | And I will say I've met with the leadership of the temple there and I've met with some of the | 而且我会说,我见过 领导在那里的寺庙 我见过一些 |
| 913 | security guards who frankly prevented what would have been one of the worst terrorist attacks in | 安全警卫,他们坦率地阻止了... ... |
| 914 | the history of the United States of America, but for their bravery and God bless them. | 美国的历史, 但因为他们的勇敢和上帝保佑他们。 |
| 915 | And it's | 这是 |
| 916 | amazing. | 厉害 |
| 917 | If you don't know anything about this story, this guy would have killed, I think, | 如果你对这个故事一无所知, 这个家伙会杀了,我想, |
| 918 | dozens of children, possibly worse, were it not for a very brave security guard. | 数十名儿童,可能更糟的是,如果不是为了一个非常勇敢的保安。 |
| 919 | And so thank God | 谢天谢地 |
| 920 | for him and thank God for you and your family that you're okay. | 感谢上帝 感谢你和你的家人 你没事 |
| 921 | Here's what I'll say. | 今依此说. |
| 922 | I condemn | 我谴责 |
| 923 | anti-Semitism. | 反犹太主义。 |
| 924 | I condemn Jew hatred. | 我谴责犹太人的仇恨 |
| 925 | I condemn anybody who would judge another human being | 我谴责任何人谁 谁会审判另一个人 |
| 926 | based on who their mother or father were, what their ethnicity was, what their religion is. | 基于他们的父母是谁,他们的种族是什么,他们的宗教是什么。 |
| 927 | And I think that leadership, that fundamental leadership principle has to start there, | 我认为,领导才能、基本领导原则必须从那里开始, |
| 928 | that we can condemn this unequivocally. | 我们可以毫不含糊地谴责这一点。 |
| 929 | I also think that we have to remember, | 我也认为我们必须记住, |
| 930 | we got to show some empathy for our fellow citizens. | 我们必须对同胞们表示同情 |
| 931 | And I think you in particular, | 我特别认为你 |
| 932 | you know, I cannot imagine as a father, I've got kids that are not that different ages from you. | 你知道,我不能想象 作为一个父亲, 我有孩子 没有那么不同的年龄与你。 |
| 933 | I cannot imagine what you've been dealing with, what you dealt with on that day. | 我无法想象你一直在处理什么, 你在那天处理什么。 |
| 934 | And I'd ask all | 我会问所有 |
| 935 | of our fellow Americans, whatever your background is, try to understand the perspective of a father | 我们的美国同胞,无论你的背景如何, 试着理解父亲的观点 |
| 936 | getting that phone call and finding out, oh my God, I don't know if my little babies are okay. | 接到那个电话,然后发现, 哦,我的上帝,我不知道我的小宝宝是否没事。 |
| 937 | And I think if we have that empathy and we combine that with the simple principle that we reject | 我认为,如果我们有这种同情心 我们把它与我们拒绝的简单原则结合起来 |
| 938 | ethnic hatred, we reject Jew hatred, I think that is a first start, but it's not hardly enough. | 种族仇恨,我们拒绝犹太人的仇恨, 我认为这是第一个开始, 但这还不够。 |
| 939 | If you look historically, ethnic hatred has ebbed and flowed, not just in this country, | 如果你看历史, 种族仇恨已经减少和流传, 不只是在这个国家, |
| 940 | but all over the world. | 但遍及世界各地。 |
| 941 | In fact, I think what makes America unique is not that we've ever had | 事实上 我认为美国之所以独一无二 并不是我们曾经有过 |
| 942 | racism in America. | 美国的种族主义。 |
| 943 | I think what makes us unique is that America's racial groups have gotten along, | 我认为让我们独一无二的是 美国的种族团体已经融洽了 |
| 944 | ethnic groups, religious groups have gotten along a lot better here than they have in other places | 种族群体,宗教群体在这里比其他地方好多了 |
| 945 | in the world. | 在这个世界。 |
| 946 | I'm not saying we're perfect, because we're not, but we do it a lot better. | 我不是说我们是完美的,因为我们不是, 但我们做的更好。 |
| 947 | And I think that one of the things that we have to do is recognize that there are people out there | 我认为我们必须做的是 承认那里有人 |
| 948 | who are, whether they're sick or evil or deranged or however you want to put it, | 谁是,无论他们生病或邪恶, 或精神错乱,或无论你想把它放, |
| 949 | they are targeting innocent school children and we have to stop it. | 他们的目标是无辜的学童 我们必须阻止他们 |
| 950 | And my point about empathy, | 我的观点 关于同情, |
| 951 | I want to make one other point, because I think this is a real difference. | 我想提出另一个观点,因为我认为这是一个真正的不同。 |
| 952 | And I hate to be | 我讨厌成为 |
| 953 | partisan here, but I think it's a real difference. | 这里的游击队, 但我认为这是一个真正的区别。 |
| 954 | You're a Michigan voter, I assume, a real difference | 你是一个密歇根州的选民,我猜, 一个真正的区别 |
| 955 | between Mike Rogers and Abdul El-Sayed. | 迈克·罗杰斯和阿卜杜勒·赛义德之间 |
| 956 | Because if, God forbid, and we, of course, I know you | 因为如果,上帝禁止, 我们,当然,我认识你 |
| 957 | most of all pray this would never happen, but if there was a terrorist attack or an attempted | 但如果有恐怖袭击或企图 |
| 958 | terrorist attack at an Islamic community center, do you know what Mike Rogers would do? | 你知道迈克·罗杰斯会怎么做吗 |
| 959 | He'd be | 他会的 |
| 960 | the first person there praying with the people affected and condemning that violence. | 第一个人在那里与受影响的人民祈祷,并谴责这种暴力。 |
| 961 | But when | 但何时 |
| 962 | that happened to your community and your family, what did Abdul El-Sayed do? | 阿卜杜勒·赛义德做了什么? |
| 963 | He went around and | 他四处走动 |
| 964 | hurt people, hurt people, showing empathy, not with you and your family, which is where I think | 伤害人 伤害人 表现出同情心 而不是你和你的家人 |
| 965 | that we got to show empathy, but showing empathy to a guy who nearly killed hundreds of innocent | 我们必须表现出同情心 但向一个几乎杀死数百名无辜者的人表示同情 |
| 966 | children. | 孩子们 |
| 967 | So look, there are people in our coalition who certainly say terrible things, | 听着,我们联盟里有些人 肯定会说可怕的话 |
| 968 | things I disagree with, anti-Semitic things. | 我不同意的东西,反犹太的东西。 |
| 969 | There's this podcaster who obsessively goes | 有个脚踏车手执着地走 |
| 970 | after me and my family, and I joke with my Jewish friends, he also obsessively goes after Jews, | 在我和我家人之后,我和我的犹太朋友开玩笑, 他还执着地去追犹太人, |
| 971 | we're in good company. | 我们关系很好 |
| 972 | Since you're a Democrat, you might say you're in bad company, but regardless, | 既然你是民主党人,你可能会说你是坏人 但不管怎样, |
| 973 | we're in the same boat. | 我们在同一艘船上 |
| 974 | I think we've got to condemn this stuff, we've got to call it out, | 我想我们必须谴责这些东西, 我们必须叫它出来, |
| 975 | and I really believe, I'm a big believer in free speech, because I think sunlight is the | 我真的相信,我是一个伟大的信仰 言论自由,因为我认为阳光是 |
| 976 | best disinfectant. | 最好的消毒剂。 |
| 977 | This is the final point I'll make, I think that those people are always going | 这是我最后要说的,我想那些人总是去 |
| 978 | to lose the argument. | 输掉争论。 |
| 979 | I know you're Jewish, I'm a devout Christian, I think the antidote to ethnic | 我知道你是犹太人,我是虔诚的基督徒, 我认为解毒剂 种族 |
| 980 | hatred is fundamentally the message that we are all made in the image of God, and I try to live | 仇恨从根本上说就是 我们都是以上帝的形象创造的 我试着活下去 |
| 981 | that in my life, and I certainly try to live that principle as a public official. | 在我的生活中,我当然 试图遵守这一原则 作为一个公职人员。 |
| 982 | Vice President | 副总统 |
| 983 | Vance, you've mentioned a couple times tonight the importance of open conversation, free speech, | 万斯,你今晚提到过几次 公开对话,言论自由的重要性 |
| 984 | free expression, but there are some parents who have kids, some of them young voters, some of | 但有些父母有孩子,有些是年轻选民,有些是... |
| 985 | them voted for the Trump administration in 2024, and they're worried about how some parts of the | 他们于2024年投票支持特朗普政府,他们担心一些地方是如何形成的. |
| 986 | online right are affecting their kids. | 网络上的权利影响着他们的孩子。 |
| 987 | And I have one such voter here, Matthew Burford, he's a | 我有一个这样的选民,马修・伯福德,他是一个 |
| 988 | and a professor and a father of two young kids. | 一个教授和一个孩子的父亲 |
| 989 | Matthew, the floor is yours. | 马修,地板是你的。 |
| 990 | Hey, I teach college | 嘿,我教大学 |
| 991 | students in the south, many of them are white men, and I'm the father of two Gen Z children. | 南方的学生,很多是白人,我是两个Gen Z孩子的父亲. |
| 992 | Many feel unheard and singled out. | 许多人感到没有听到,而且被挑出来。 |
| 993 | I also hear bigoted rhetoric and sweeping judgments about | 我还听到一些偏执的言论和关于 |
| 994 | whole groups, at odds with what I think America's founding ideal of equal dignity and equal value. | 与我所认为的美国 具有同等尊严和同等价值的创始理想相悖 |
| 995 | So, Mr. Vice President, how do you take these young men's frustration seriously | 副总统先生 你怎么看待这些年轻人的挫折感 |
| 996 | without ignoring the harmful rhetoric just to keep them in our coalition? | 而不忽视那些有害的言辞,而只是为了让他们留在我们的联盟中? |
| 997 | Well, first of all, I don't think you can ignore the harmful rhetoric. | 首先,我觉得你不能忽视那些有害的言辞。 |
| 998 | You've got to disagree with | 你必须要不同意 |
| 999 | it. | 这个 |
| 1000 | What I don't think is that censorship is the answer to these problems. | 我不认为审查是这些问题的答案。 |
| 1001 | I think that whenever | 我想,无论何时 |
| 1002 | you try to silence people rather than prove them wrong, you actually give power to these ideas. | 你试图压制人们 而不是证明他们错了, 你实际上赋予这些想法力量。 |
| 1003 | When you censor ideas, you can actually give them more power than they had when you disagree with | 当你审查思想时, 你实际上可以给他们更多的权力 比他们当你不同意的时候 |
| 1004 | them and beating them on the field of free exchange. | 在自由交流领域打败他们 |
| 1005 | You know, I think that there is something | 你知道,我觉得有一件事 |
| 1006 | very dark going on in the internet. | 网络上非常黑暗 |
| 1007 | And the one thing I do try to remind people is sort of an | 我唯一想提醒别人的事 就是 |
| 1008 | optimistic take on this is that we know, and I've seen some of the intelligence reports, | 乐观的假设是 我们知道, 我见过一些情报报告, |
| 1009 | we know that a lot of the most virulent racism and anti-Semitism that exists online, a lot of | 我们知道,很多最恶劣的种族主义和反犹太主义 在网络上存在,很多 |
| 1010 | it's actually coming from foreign paid actors. | 实际上是来自外国付费演员。 |
| 1011 | So is what you're seeing real? | 你所看到的是真的吗? |
| 1012 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1013 | Is it out | 出来了吗? |
| 1014 | there? | 那边? |
| 1015 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1016 | But I would resist the view that most of our fellow citizens, if you're a white | 但我不认为 我们大多数同胞 如果你是白人 |
| 1017 | guy, most white guys have no problem with people based on their skin color. | 大部分白人对肤色的人没有意见 |
| 1018 | If you're a black guy | 如果你是个黑人 |
| 1019 | at working at a barbershop, like Keyshawn, you're not attacking people based on their skin color. | 在理发店工作, 就像Keyshawn, 你没有攻击人们的肤色。 |
| 1020 | Most of our fellow citizens are fundamentally decent people. | 我们大多数同胞基本上是体面的人。 |
| 1021 | And I think we have to lean into | 我觉得我们必须靠拢 |
| 1022 | that decency. | 那种尊严。 |
| 1023 | But let me, this is a very important point because I thought a lot about this. | 但是,让我说,这是一个非常重要的问题,因为我对此有太多想法。 |
| 1024 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1025 | And, you know, I was, I was talking with this about with, with my wife, probably five, six years | 而且,你知道,我是, 我谈论这个 关于与我的妻子, 大概五,六年 |
| 1026 | ago, before I ever got into politics. | 在我从政之前 |
| 1027 | And, you know, we had heard somebody say something about | 而且,你知道,我们听到有人说 |
| 1028 | this person is a mediocre white man as a criticism of ideas that they had seen, or this guy has a | 这个人是一个平庸的白人 作为批评 他们曾经看到的想法, |
| 1029 | white privilege. | 白人特权。 |
| 1030 | So you could ignore what they're saying. | 所以你可以无视他们说的话 |
| 1031 | I do think, and I'm not justifying it, | 我觉得,我没有为它辩护, |
| 1032 | but I do think that one of the ways that we're making a huge mistake, and we have made a huge | 但我确实认为 我们犯了一个巨大的错误 我们犯了一个巨大的错误 |
| 1033 | mistake in this country is by re allowing the demonization of people with skin color. | 这个国家的错误是允许 将皮肤颜色的人妖魔化 |
| 1034 | And when | 什么时候 |
| 1035 | you demonize a guy because he's white, it's just as evil as when you demonize a guy because he's | 你妖魔化一个人 因为他是白人, 这就像邪恶 当你妖魔化一个人 因为他是 |
| 1036 | black. | 黑色的。 黑色的。 |
| 1037 | And most of the people, by the way, most of the white guys who hear somebody say, you know, | 大部分人,顺便说一句, 大部分白人 听到有人说,你知道, |
| 1038 | you have white privilege, so we can ignore what you're saying, or use white man as an insult, | 你拥有白人特权 所以我们可以无视你说的话 或者用白人来侮辱我 |
| 1039 | as opposed to just a descriptor. | 而不是仅仅描述。 |
| 1040 | When you do that, most people are going to get a little annoyed. | 当你这样做,大多数人会 有点生气。 |
| 1041 | They're going to go on living their lives. | 他们要继续生活下去 |
| 1042 | But some people will get radicalized into some very | 但有些人会变得激进到极致 |
| 1043 | dangerous ideas. | 危险的想法。 |
| 1044 | And I think that we have to confront both sides of this, the very dark rhetoric | 我认为我们必须面对 双方,非常黑暗的言辞 |
| 1045 | we see from certain corners of the right, but also the way in which in the last administration, | 我们从右边的某些角落看到, 以及上届政府的方式, |
| 1046 | in particular, explicit racial discrimination was normalized. | 特别是,明确的种族歧视已经正常化。 |
| 1047 | And it's not shocking that a lot of | 并且这并不令人震惊 很多 |
| 1048 | people reacted to it in the wrong way. | 人们对此的反应是错误的。 |
| 1049 | We can reject the reaction, but we also have to understand | 我们可以拒绝这个反应 但我们也必须明白 |
| 1050 | it is inevitable when you demonize people that they respond in nonproductive ways. | 当你妖魔化人时,他们的反应是非生产性的。 |
| 1051 | Mr. Vice President, you mentioned a couple of minutes ago that in a couple of years, | 副总统先生,你几分钟前提到 几年后 |
| 1052 | you might be out of a job. | 你可能失业了 |
| 1053 | That even in the structure of the sentence suggests that you'd | 即使从句子的结构来看 你也会 |
| 1054 | be running for a continued job. | 继续竞选 |
| 1055 | Not necessarily. | 不见得. |
| 1056 | No. | 没有 |
| 1057 | So there's a chance. | 故有机缘. |
| 1058 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1059 | So let's go right | 我们往右走 |
| 1060 | there. | 这里 |
| 1061 | Is there a chance you don't run for president in 2028? | 你是否有机会在2028年不竞选总统? |
| 1062 | Of course there's a chance. | 当然有机会 |
| 1063 | I mean, we've got four little kids. | 我的意思是,我们有四个孩子。 |
| 1064 | My wife has never loved politics. | 我妻子从不爱政治 |
| 1065 | She loves public service. | 她喜欢公共服务。 |
| 1066 | I think, you know, you can do a lot of good in this job. | 我认为,你知道, 你可以做很多好的工作。 |
| 1067 | And I've tried to do as much good as | 我试着做很多好事 |
| 1068 | but I really, people ask me this question all the time. | 但我真的, 人们一直问我这个问题。 |
| 1069 | And I think they assume because I'm | 我认为他们认为 因为我 |
| 1070 | a politician, of course, he's going to run for president in 2028. | 当然,他将在2028年竞选总统 |
| 1071 | The way that I think about | и稱ê妓 |
| 1072 | life, big life decisions, my wife will tell you this is I'm a procrastinator. | 生活,重大的生活决定, 我妻子会告诉你,这是我 一个拖延者。 |
| 1073 | I hate thinking | 我讨厌思考 |
| 1074 | about it. | 关于它。 |
| 1075 | And what will happen is that first of all, after all of these fine people elect | 接下来会发生的是,首先, 在这些优秀的人 选出 |
| 1076 | Mike Rogers, United States Senator for the state of Michigan, what's going to happen is then I'll | 迈克·罗杰斯 美国密歇根州参议员 接下来会发生什么 |
| 1077 | have to think about it. | 得想着. |
| 1078 | And then I will actually have to make a decision. | 之后我就得做个决定了 |
| 1079 | But you know, anything | 但你知道,任何东西 |
| 1080 | could happen, man. | 有可能,伙计。 |
| 1081 | Wow, anything could happen. | 哇,什么都可能发生。 |
| 1082 | I mean, I do find it hard to believe that you | 我是说,我觉得很难相信你 |
| 1083 | haven't begun to make some plans even as a procrastinator. | 还没有开始做一些计划 即使作为一个拖延者。 |
| 1084 | You've got the Naval Observatory, | 你有海军天文台 |
| 1085 | 130 acres or whatever it is, you've got that back porch, you've talked about having a beer with | 130英亩,不管它是什么, 你有一个后门廊, 你谈论有一个啤酒与 |
| 1086 | Usha at the end of the day. | 终日乌沙. |
| 1087 | Yep. | 对 |
| 1088 | This is the time of the year when families talk about plans for | 今年是家庭讨论计划的时候 |
| 1089 | next summer. | 下个夏天 |
| 1090 | Are you going to Disney? | 你要去迪士尼吗? |
| 1091 | You're going to book this vacation? | 你要订这个假期? |
| 1092 | Are you going to run for | 你要跑吗? |
| 1093 | president? | 总统? |
| 1094 | Is your brother going to Disney? | 你哥哥要去迪斯尼吗? |
| 1095 | Are you running for president? | 你要竞选总统吗? |
| 1096 | Every husband in the room | 房间里的每个丈夫 |
| 1097 | here knows. | 这里知道。 |
| 1098 | You're definitely talking about it. | 你绝对是在谈论它。 |
| 1099 | We're really not, though. | 我们真的不是,虽然。 |
| 1100 | We're really not. | 我们真的不是。 |
| 1101 | Whenever it comes up, it's always let's figure it out after the midterms. | 每当出现时,总是在中期之后才算出. |
| 1102 | And that's what we're | 这就是我们 |
| 1103 | trying to do, man. | 试图做到这一点,男人。 |
| 1104 | Elect as many good candidates as possible. | 选出尽可能多的优秀候选人。 |
| 1105 | There are some people I think are | 我认为有些人 |
| 1106 | really good people running. | 真正的好人运行。 |
| 1107 | I mean, look, not talking about 28, but 26. | 我的意思是,你看,不是说28,而是26。 |
| 1108 | The reason to vote | 投票理由 |
| 1109 | for Mike Rogers, it's not because you're going to agree with him on every issue because nobody will. | 对于迈克·罗杰斯,这不是因为你会同意他 对于每一个问题,因为没有人会。 |
| 1110 | I know him. | 我认识他 |
| 1111 | He's a good dude. | 他是个好人 |
| 1112 | And I think that what I've seen in Washington is that the people | 我认为我在华盛顿看到的是人民 |
| 1113 | who thrive and the people who actually do a good job for their people are people of character. | 那些为人民做好事的人都是品格高尚的人 |
| 1114 | Mike Rogers is a guy of character, so I hope you guys vote for him. | 迈克·罗杰斯是个很有品味的人 所以我希望你们投他一票 |
| 1115 | Not you. | 不是说你 |
| 1116 | I guess you're not a | 我猜你不是一个 |
| 1117 | Michigander. | 密歇根大学. |
| 1118 | No, I live in the state of New York. | 不,我住在纽约州 |
| 1119 | The Republic of Brooklyn. | 布鲁克林共和国. |
| 1120 | Vice President | 副总统 |
| 1121 | JD Vance, thank you very much. | 万斯,非常感谢 |
| 1122 | No comment. | 没有评论。 |
| 1123 | Thank you all. | 谢谢大家 |
| 1124 | Thank you to our questioners. | 谢谢你的问客。 |
| 1125 | Thank you to our audience. | 谢谢你的观众。 |
| 1126 | Thank you to the vice president. | 谢谢副总统 |
| 1127 | You | 你们 |
| 1128 | 可以在cbsnews.com和我们的YouTube页面上观看市政厅. | |
| 1129 | And CBS News will have many | 还有CBS 新闻会有很多 |
| 1130 | more conversations on the things that matter, topics that are important to Americans across | 更多关于重要事物的对话 对美国人很重要的话题 |
| 1131 | the political divide. | 政治分歧。 |
| 1132 | So please stay tuned. | 所以请继续听 |
| 1133 | I'm Tony DeCoppo for CBS News. | 我是CBS新闻的托尼·德科波 |
| 1134 | Good night. | 边 |
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