谈哈里梅根退出王室，戴安娜弟弟终于发声：我完全理解他，他像极
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 0:04 | She was the most famous woman in the world. | 她是世界上最有名的女人 |
| 0:09 | Next to Rich Charles and I, I can't go wrong. | 除了里奇・查尔斯和我, 我不能走错。 |
| 0:11 | He's there with me. | 他跟我一起来的 |
| 0:13 | Married into the monarchy, destined to be queen. | 嫁给君主制,注定成为女王. |
| 0:19 | Her campaigning, her chosen causes, broke convention and touched millions of lives. | 她的竞选活动,她所选择的事业,打破了会议,触及了数百万人的生命. |
| 0:26 | There are many trying to highlight a problem that's going on all around the world. | 许多人试图强调一个正在世界各地发生的问题。 |
| 0:30 | That's all. | 就这样 |
| 0:31 | But that fairy tale became a nightmare. | 但那个童话变成了噩梦 |
| 0:34 | Private unhappiness couldn't be hidden from the public glare. | 私人的不幸福是无法从公众的光芒中隐藏的. |
| 0:39 | Delight in her beloved boys, one a future king, came with constant pursuit by the press. | 她心爱的孩子们,一个未来的国王, 带着媒体的不断追逐而来。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | She was the most famous woman in the world. | 她是世界上最有名的女人 |
| 2 | Next to Rich Charles and I, I can't go wrong. | 除了里奇・查尔斯和我, 我不能走错。 |
| 3 | He's there with me. | 他跟我一起来的 |
| 4 | Married into the monarchy, destined to be queen. | 嫁给君主制,注定成为女王. |
| 5 | Her campaigning, her chosen causes, broke convention and touched millions of lives. | 她的竞选活动,她所选择的事业,打破了会议,触及了数百万人的生命. |
| 6 | There are many trying to highlight a problem that's going on all around the world. | 许多人试图强调一个正在世界各地发生的问题。 |
| 7 | That's all. | 就这样 |
| 8 | But that fairy tale became a nightmare. | 但那个童话变成了噩梦 |
| 9 | Private unhappiness couldn't be hidden from the public glare. | 私人的不幸福是无法从公众的光芒中隐藏的. |
| 10 | Delight in her beloved boys, one a future king, came with constant pursuit by the press. | 她心爱的孩子们,一个未来的国王, 带着媒体的不断追逐而来。 |
| 11 | Admired and attacked on a scale few public figures have ever known. | 赞美和攻击的规模 很少有公众人物知道。 |
| 12 | Diana was a phenomenon. | 戴安娜是一个现象。 |
| 13 | Diana, Princess of Wales, has died after a car crash in Paris. | 威尔士公主戴安娜在巴黎车祸后去世. |
| 14 | But her extraordinary life cut short. | 但是她非凡的生命却被缩短了 |
| 15 | Her death at 36 shocked the world. | 她36岁时的死令世界震惊. |
| 16 | Her funeral stopped a nation. | 她的葬礼阻止了一个国家。 |
| 17 | It was her brother, Charles, who spoke for her on that day. | 那天是她哥哥查尔斯替她说话 |
| 18 | I don't think she ever understood why her genuinely good intentions were sneered at by the media. | 我觉得她从来就不明白 为什么她真正的好意被媒体打喷嚏 |
| 19 | Why there appeared to be a permanent quest on their behalf to bring her down. | 为什么似乎有人要代表他们 长期争取把她弄下来 |
| 20 | With an attack on those he says hunted and harmed her. | 他袭击了那些说猎杀并伤害了她的人 |
| 21 | And the palace establishment that failed to protect. | 而未能保护的宫殿机构. |
| 22 | The most modern of women on a progress across Britain with almost medieval overtones. | 最现代的女性在全英国的进展 几乎是中世纪的过度。 |
| 23 | It's only now Charles Spencer is revealing his full story. | 现在查尔斯・斯宾塞才透露他的故事 |
| 24 | The tale of the woman he believes the world never understood. | 那个他相信世界永远无法理解的女人的故事 |
| 25 | Her former husband now on the throne. | 她的前夫现在登上王位. |
| 26 | God save the king. | 神救诸王. |
| 27 | Receive the royal sceptre. | 接受王权. |
| 28 | Whose beloved sons are bitterly split. | 他们心爱的儿子们分道扬镳 |
| 29 | A woman who will always hold a place in all our history. | 一个永远在我们历史上占有一席之地的女人 |
| 30 | It's a silhouette of Diana and a quote from something she said just before she died. | 这是戴安娜的一首诗 还有她死前说的话 |
| 31 | People come from all over the world. | 众生从四海而来. |
| 32 | It's astonishing to come and pay tribute to Diana. | 来向戴安娜致敬真令人吃惊. |
| 33 | There is this extraordinary legacy that goes on nearly 30 years on. | 这种非凡的遗产延续了将近30年。 |
| 34 | Where people feel this profound contact with her and it's very humbling. | 人们觉得和她有如此深厚的接触 并且非常隆隆 |
| 35 | These are the grounds where Princess Diana used to walk and play. | 这些是戴安娜公主曾经散步玩耍的地方. |
| 36 | This is Althorpe, the Spencer family's ancestral home. | 这里是阿尔索普,斯宾塞家族的祖居. |
| 37 | The quiet place where now she is laid to rest. | 静静的地方,她现在躺在那里休息。 |
| 38 | There was controversy in her life. | 她一生中曾有争议. |
| 39 | There was controversy in her death. | 她的死引起了争议. |
| 40 | Her unhappiness with the man now king. | 她对现在的国王不高兴 |
| 41 | Her fame, her legacy still bitterly argued over. | 她的名声,她的遗产 仍然苦恼地争论。 |
| 42 | Just as disputes rage between the two sons she left behind. | 就像她留下的两个儿子之间的争执一样 |
| 43 | You dedicate this book to everyone who like you has lost a brother or a sister. | 你把这本书献给像你一样失去了兄弟或姐妹的人。 |
| 44 | The difference for you is everyone knows how your sister died. | 你们的区别在于每个人都知道你妹妹是怎么死的 |
| 45 | But you've never really talked about those awful hours when the news came through. | 但你从来没有真正谈论过那些可怕的时间 当新闻通过。 |
| 46 | When the horror of what happened became clear. | 当所生之恐怖已明. |
| 47 | Let's go back in time. | 复次如来. |
| 48 | How did you find out? | 你怎么发现的? |
| 49 | I was living in South Africa at the time in Cape Town. | 当时我住在南非开普敦。 |
| 50 | I got a call in the middle of the night. | 我半夜接到电话 |
| 51 | It was my sister Jane. | 是我妹妹简 |
| 52 | She said, don't worry, Diana's been in a car crash but it's not too serious. | 她说,别担心,戴安娜的 车祸,但它不是太严重。 |
| 53 | I thought, okay, even if it's not serious I can probably find out what's happening on the news. | 我想,好吧,即使它不严重... ...我可能会发现 发生了什么事的新闻。 |
| 54 | Through the night I watched the TV news unfurling. | 整个晚上,我看 电视新闻发光。 |
| 55 | Then I kept getting more and more distressing calls from home from my sister. | 然后我从我妹妹家里接了越来越多的令人困扰的电话 |
| 56 | Then it escalated after a few hours. | 后来几小时后升级. |
| 57 | I heard my brother-in-law in the background who Robert Fellows used to work for the Queen as her private secretary. | 我听到我的姐夫在背景中,罗伯特·费洛斯曾经作为她的私人秘书为女王工作. |
| 58 | I heard him go, oh no. | 我听见他走了,哦,不。 |
| 59 | Then my sister Jane said, I'm afraid she's died. | 后来妹妹简说,恐怕她死了. |
| 60 | That's how it started in my life in that night as a little prank. | 那晚我从小恶作剧开始 |
| 61 | Then it became a broken leg, perhaps a head injury and then death. | 然后它变成了一条断腿,也许头部受伤,然后死亡。 |
| 62 | In your book you recount how your little girl, Eliza, said she's not dead in real life, is she? | 在你的书中,你记述了你女儿伊丽莎 说她在现实生活中没有死,是吗? |
| 63 | It was really heartbreaking. | 真的很让人伤心。 |
| 64 | I was alone in the house with my four children who were very small at the time. | 我和当时非常小的四个孩子独自在房子里. |
| 65 | My three little girls came tumbling through into the kitchen. | 我的3个小女孩从厨房翻过来了 |
| 66 | Diana had just been staying with us a few months earlier in Cape Town. | 黛安娜几个月前刚和我们住在开普敦 |
| 67 | When I said, I'm afraid I've got this terrible news, they just looked up at me. | 当我说,我恐怕有 一个可怕的消息, 他们只是抬头看我。 |
| 68 | I said, yes, I'm afraid Aunt Diana's died. | 我说,是的,恐怕戴安娜阿姨死了 |
| 69 | That's what Eliza said. | 以利萨所说. |
| 70 | Not in real life, Daddy. | 现实生活中没有,爸爸 |
| 71 | Utterly heartbreaking. | 难免心碎. |
| 72 | As you were making preparations to get back here to the family ancestral home, Althrope, you had another call. | 当你准备回到祖传家庭的时候,阿尔斯罗普,你又接到一个电话。 |
| 73 | A call from Prince Charles, of course now the King. | 查尔斯王子打来的电话 当然现在是国王了 |
| 74 | What did he say and how did he sound? | 他说什么,他听起来怎么样? |
| 75 | Well, I was rushing around the house preparing the children and all of that sort of thing for the day ahead. | 嗯,我匆忙地绕着房子 准备孩子们 和所有这种事情 为未来的一天。 |
| 76 | I remember picking up the telephone. | 我还记得接电话 |
| 77 | I was upstairs in my house in Cape Town. | 我在开普敦的我家楼上 |
| 78 | He was telling me how he had told the boys, William and Harry, at Balmoral and broken the news to them. | 他告诉我,他是如何告诉男孩,威廉和哈里 在巴尔莫勒, 并打破消息给他们。 |
| 79 | I felt, as I say in the book actually, I felt there was a sort of giddy tone. | 我感觉到,就像我在书里说的那样, 我觉得有种古怪的语气。 |
| 80 | I'd had a lot of calls that day from people who cared, who were stunned like we all were. | 那天我接到很多电话 来自关心的人, 他们被震撼 像我们都一样。 |
| 81 | And I just felt there was a lightness in his tone about Diana's death that really jarred with me. | 我只是觉得他对于戴安娜的死 的语气很淡淡, 对我非常不满。 |
| 82 | You write that he was giddily elated, like a lottery winner. | 你写着他像彩票得主一样 欢欣鼓舞 |
| 83 | I mean, you're suggesting he was somehow pleased that his former wife was dead. | 我的意思是,你是说 他不知怎么高兴 他的前妻死了。 |
| 84 | I, well, I'm reporting every word in this book. | 我,嗯,我在报道 这本书的每一字。 |
| 85 | I report exactly as I saw it and felt it at the time. | 我完全如我当时所见 所感 |
| 86 | And I was surprised at the giddiness of his tone. | 我很惊讶他的语气很粗鲁 |
| 87 | That's what I'm recording there. | 这就是我正在录的。 |
| 88 | It's an incredibly damning thing to say, though, about his reaction to the death of the mother of his children. | 但是,这是令人难以置信的可恨的事情, 关于他的反应 他的孩子的母亲的死亡。 |
| 89 | And you go on to write, I suspect the Prince's reaction must have been to think more of how this event might free him to marry the woman | 你继续写,我猜王子的反应 一定是想更多这个事件 可能让他嫁给那个女人 |
| 90 | he loved rather than appreciating the loss of the one he did not. | 他爱而不是欣赏他失去的那个人 |
| 91 | You're suggesting there in black and white that the now King felt that Diana's death was rather convenient because he would be able to marry Camilla. | 你用黑白两字表示,现在的国王觉得戴安娜的死相当方便,因为他能够嫁给卡米拉. |
| 92 | That is how I felt at the time from the tone of his voice. | 我当时从他的声音的语气中就是这样感觉的. |
| 93 | So I've only ever had two calls from him and they were both around this time. | 所以我只接到过他两通电话 他们都在这个时候 |
| 94 | One was on that day of Diana's death and one was a couple of days later. | 一个是在戴安娜去世的那天,一个是在几天后. |
| 95 | But are you sure that's what he was thinking? | 你确定他就是这么想的吗? |
| 96 | I cannot be sure. | 我无法肯定 |
| 97 | I'm saying that's what I assume from the tone is a possibility. | 我从语气上猜想这是种可能性 |
| 98 | And that's all I can do. | 这就是我所能做的。 |
| 99 | As you mentioned, there was then a second call, another phone call between you and the former Prince Charles, as you were planning Diana's funeral. | 正如你提到的,然后有第二通电话, 另一个电话 你和前查尔斯王子, 因为你正在计划戴安娜的葬礼。 |
| 100 | Now, we know there were huge ructions behind the scene at that time of massive grief. | 现在,我们知道,在当时的大规模悲痛中,现场后面有巨大的露骨。 |
| 101 | What kind of event should it be? | 什么样的活动? |
| 102 | Who should be in charge? | 由谁负责? |
| 103 | And there was an instruction from the palace that her two beloved boys should walk behind the coffin through the streets of London. | 并且宫廷有指示说,她两个心爱的男孩应该走在棺材后面,穿过伦敦的街道. |
| 104 | You tried to stop that happening. | 你试图阻止这种情况发生。 |
| 105 | But what happened in that conversation with Charles? | 但是在和查尔斯的谈话中发生了什么? |
| 106 | I was having a phone conversation with a colonel from the household at Buckingham Palace. | 我在白金汉宫和一位上校通话 |
| 107 | And as he was about to finish our conversation, he said, and it's been agreed that the two young princes will walk behind their mother's coffin. | 而当他即将完成我们的对话时,他说,已经商定两位年轻的王子会走在母亲的棺材后面. |
| 108 | And I said, well, of course, that's not going to happen. | 我说,当然,那是不可能的。 |
| 109 | It just seemed so monstrous. | 这看起来太可怕了 |
| 110 | And he said, well, it's been decided it will. | 他说 已经决定了 |
| 111 | And I said, but my sister wouldn't have wanted that. | 我说,但我妹妹不会想要的。 |
| 112 | And he sort of coughed politely and the conversation came to an end. | 他有礼貌地咳嗽 谈话结束 |
| 113 | And then quite soon after that, a sort of dedicated phone line in my office went again. | 之后不久,我办公室的一条专用电话线又响了。 |
| 114 | And it was the then Prince of Wales saying, I gather you've got a problem with the funeral service. | 那时的威尔士王子说,我猜你对葬礼有问题 |
| 115 | And I was thinking, no, I haven't, because I was thinking of the structure of the actual service in Westminster Abbey. | 我在想,没有,我没有, 因为我在想威斯敏斯特修道院的实际服务结构。 |
| 116 | And then he said, I gather you don't think William and Harry should walk behind Diana's coffin. | 然后他说,我想你认为 威廉和哈利不该走在戴安娜的棺材后面 |
| 117 | And I said, well, of course not, sir. | 我说,当然不是,长官 |
| 118 | She wouldn't want it. | 她不会想要的 |
| 119 | And then he said, well, I walk behind Lord Mountbatten's coffin. | 然后他说,好吧,我走在蒙巴顿勋爵的棺材后面。 |
| 120 | And I said, yes, but you were 30 and he wasn't your mother. | 我说,是的,但你30岁,他不是你的母亲。 |
| 121 | And then to be I mean, he went ballistic would be the right term and started really going for my family as a whole about their sense of duty, not being adequate enough and ranted for a while. | 然后,我的意思是,他去弹道 这将是正确的术语, 并开始真正去为我的家人 整个关于他们的责任感, 不够充分 和咆哮一段时间。 |
| 122 | I have no idea how long, but it was a significant period. | 我不知道有多长,但这是一个重大时期。 |
| 123 | And I just listened. | 我只是听着 |
| 124 | And then he stopped and I thought, oh, now now he's going to pull himself together and say something more appropriate. | 然后他停下来,我想, 哦,现在他要 振作起来,说一些更合适的事。 |
| 125 | And then he said, we'll forget her soon enough. | 然后他说 我们很快就会忘记她了 |
| 126 | What went through your mind? | 你脑子里在想什么? |
| 127 | Well, I'm not sure I can say exactly what went through my mind, but I really was so stunned. | 嗯,我不确定我能说出我脑海里所想的 但我真的很震惊 |
| 128 | And I just after a stunned silence, I said, I cannot believe you just said that. | 我刚刚沉默了一下,我说, 我不能相信你刚才说的。 |
| 129 | And I hung up on him. | 我挂断了他的电话 |
| 130 | You know that Buckingham Palace has already said with a degree of fury that that didn't happen. | 你知道白金汉宫已经 以某种程度的愤怒 说那没有发生。 |
| 131 | I haven't actually, Laura, they've sort of smudge that one, haven't they? | 我没有,劳拉,他们有 有点污点,不是吗? |
| 132 | They said that recollections may vary. | 他们说,记忆可能有所不同。 |
| 133 | Well, let me read you exactly what the palace has said. | 好吧,让我读你 确切的宫殿所说的话。 |
| 134 | They said, His Majesty is mindful that the pain of fraternal grief can cloud reason, affect judgment and colour memory in ways others do not recognise, even many years after such a loss. | 他们说,陛下意识到兄弟般的悲痛的痛苦会让理智蒙上阴影,会以别人不承认的方式影响判断和色彩记忆,即使在这种损失多年之后。 |
| 135 | The King is plainly furious. | 国王很生气 |
| 136 | Buckingham Palace almost never issues any kind of statement. | 白金汉宫几乎从不发表任何声明. |
| 137 | Well, is he furious or is he embarrassed? | 他是生气还是尴尬? |
| 138 | Because I can tell you here and now those are exactly the words he said. | 因为我可以在这里告诉你 现在那些正是他说的话 |
| 139 | I've only ever had two calls on the line with Prince Charles at any stage of my life. | 我一生中只有两次和查尔斯王子通话 |
| 140 | I was hyper alert to what he was saying. | 我非常警惕他说的话 |
| 141 | And those are precisely the words he said. | 这正是他说的话。 |
| 142 | And I promise that to you now. | 我答应你 |
| 143 | Genuinely, that is what he said. | 他就是这么说的 |
| 144 | I don't hear him saying he didn't say that. | 我没听到他说他没这么说 |
| 145 | Did you write it down? | 你记下来了吗? |
| 146 | Did you keep a diary? | 你有日记吗? |
| 147 | Do you have evidence that that is what he said at the time? | 你有证据表明他当时是这么说的吗? |
| 148 | Because to be fair, this was a time of massive shock and emotion for both of you. | 因为公平地说,这对你们来说 是一个巨大的震惊和情感的时代。 |
| 149 | I told friends and family straight away, close friends and family, about what had been said because it was so monstrous. | 我直接告诉朋友和家人, 亲近的朋友和家人, 所说的话是因为它是如此可怕。 |
| 150 | And then beyond that, it very much informed. | 除此之外,它还非常知情。 |
| 151 | This was just before I really tackled the eulogy. | 就在我写悼词之前 |
| 152 | You can see evidence of that conversation in the final eulogy. | 你可以在最后的悼词中看到谈话的证据. |
| 153 | I really stressed Diana's sense of duty. | 我真的强调戴安娜的责任感. |
| 154 | Duty comes across very clearly in the eulogy. | 在悼词中,责任非常明确。 |
| 155 | And then it culminates in something which I think really underlines the truth of my assertion here. | 然后,它最后形成了一些东西, 我认为它真正强调了我在这里的主张的真理。 |
| 156 | Which is, if you get to the final bit of my eulogy, it is that her fantastic qualities will never be extinguished from our minds. | 也就是说,如果你说到最后一点我的悼词,那就是她的奇妙品质永远不会从我们的脑海里消失。 |
| 157 | It was a direct rebuttal of, we'll forget her soon enough. | 这是直接的反驳 我们很快就会忘记她了 |
| 158 | Above all, we give thanks for the life of a woman. | 首先,我们感谢 一个女人的生命。 |
| 159 | I'm so proud to be able to call my sister the unique, the complex, the extraordinary and irreplaceable Diana, | 我非常自豪能够称我妹妹为 独一无二的,复杂的,非凡的和不可替代的戴安娜, |
| 160 | whose beauty, both internal and external, will never be extinguished from our minds. | 其内外之美,永不消灭. |
| 161 | Which, Charles, are the public meant to believe? | 查尔斯,公众应该相信什么? |
| 162 | Are they to believe you, or are they to believe the king, the head of state of this country, | 他们是相信你 还是相信国王 这个国家的国家元首 |
| 163 | who's giving the impression very forcefully that this didn't happen? | 谁给人一个强烈的印象 认为这没有发生? |
| 164 | Who are we to believe? | 我们该相信谁? |
| 165 | Well, I'm telling the truth. | 我说的是实话 |
| 166 | So the king is giving an impression to the country that's not true, misleading people, even lying? | 所以国王给国家留下的印象 是不真实的,误导的人,甚至说谎? |
| 167 | I can hardly be responsible for what Buckingham Palace says. | 我几乎不能为白金汉宫所说的话负责 |
| 168 | All I can tell you is what was said and what I heard and what shocked me. | 我能告诉你的只是我听到的和听到的,让我震惊的东西。 |
| 169 | What else would have made me hang up on the king that day? | 那天还有什么能让我挂上国王的? |
| 170 | It was something as outrageous as that slur against Diana. | 这简直就是对戴安娜的侮辱 |
| 171 | What do you think that her sons, his sons, your nephews, who you vowed so publicly, so movingly to protect, | 你觉得她的儿子,他的儿子,你的侄子, 你公开宣誓,如此感动地保护, |
| 172 | will think when they hear you saying that, revealing these words nearly three decades on, | 当他们听到你说, 揭示这些话 将近30年后, |
| 173 | which you know are bound to stir up huge amounts of pain and anger? | 你知道那会激起巨大的痛苦和愤怒吗? |
| 174 | Well, I don't like to talk about what I've been speaking about to William and Harry, | 我不想跟威廉和哈里谈我一直说的话 |
| 175 | but this will not be a surprise to them, I will tell you that. | 但这对他们来说并不奇怪,我会告诉你的。 |
| 176 | These words will not be a surprise to them. | 这些话对他们来说不会是一个惊喜。 |
| 177 | But what are they to make of that, as human beings? | 但作为人类,他们能做些什么呢? |
| 178 | You're telling the world their father said, don't worry, everyone will forget your dead mother. | 你告诉全世界他们的父亲说 别担心 每个人都会忘记你死去的母亲 |
| 179 | I have a duty, you know, as an eyewitness to history, and it's my duty in the final season of my life. | 我有责任作为历史的目击证人 在我生命的最后一季 |
| 180 | This was very much a spur for me to write this now, was both my parents died in their 60s. | 这非常刺激我写这个 现在,因为我的父母都死了 在他们的60多岁。 |
| 181 | I'm in my 60s. | 我六十多岁了 |
| 182 | I'm aware of mortality, and I wanted to just put things down once and for all that were true. | 我意识到死亡, 我想把事情一劳永逸地放下。 |
| 183 | And part of the spine of my book is the construction of my eulogy. | 我书的脊椎部分 就是我悼词的构造 |
| 184 | I know this is not a threat, it's a fact. | 我知道这不是威胁,这是事实。 |
| 185 | I know lots of things about the king, which I chose not to include in the book because they were not relevant. | 我知道很多关于国王的事情,我选择不列入这本书,因为它们无关紧要. |
| 186 | I'm a historian. | 我是一个历史学家。 |
| 187 | I've worked for decent news organisations like yourself. | 我为你这样的好新闻组织工作过 |
| 188 | And it was just my duty to lay it out. | 我的职责就是说清楚 |
| 189 | There is a reason why those words were in my eulogy, and I have to give that reason. | 在我的悼词中这些话是有原因的,我必须给出这个理由。 |
| 190 | Sounds a bit like a threat. | 听起来有点像威胁 |
| 191 | You're saying you know other things about the king that could be damaging to him? | 你是说你知道其他对国王有伤害的东西? |
| 192 | No, not at all a threat. | 不,一点也不是一个威胁。 |
| 193 | It's just the reality. | 这只是现实。 |
| 194 | I want to give the context of what I said and what I didn't say. | 我想描述一下我说的话和没有说的话 |
| 195 | I'm not threatening. | 我没有威胁你 |
| 196 | I've got no interest. | 我没有兴趣。 |
| 197 | I'm not a salacious writer on any level. | 我不是一个健康的作家 在任何层面。 |
| 198 | But the point being that if I was a salacious writer and wanted to write that sort of thing, | 但重点是 如果我是一位健康的作家 想写那种东西 |
| 199 | I have plenty of other things I could have said and really have no interest in doing so. | 我有很多其他的事情可以说,而且真的对这样做没有兴趣。 |
| 200 | One of the other things that your sister told you as her marriage was breaking down, | 你姐姐告诉你的 婚姻破裂的一件事 |
| 201 | you recount a story where she says she's going to get divorced. | 你讲述了她说她要离婚的故事 |
| 202 | Because, and I quote, my husband is in love with his valet. | 因为,我引用, 我丈夫爱上他的仆人。 |
| 203 | Now you say you never asked who that was or why she believed it, yet you have printed it, | 现在,你说你从来没有问 是谁,或为什么她相信它, 但你已经印刷它, |
| 204 | repeating what is an incendiary claim suggesting that the now king was in love with, | 重复一个煽动性的说法 表明现在的国王爱上了 |
| 205 | we assume would be a male member of staff. | 我们假设是男性员工 |
| 206 | Do you believe that to be true? | 你相信这是真的吗? |
| 207 | I know Diana said that to me, and that's why I recorded it. | 我知道戴安娜是这么说的 所以我才录下来的 |
| 208 | So it's in the context of a conversation where Diana is telling me that her marriage is over. | 戴安娜告诉我 她的婚姻结束了 |
| 209 | And I remember it very well. | 我非常记得 |
| 210 | We were at a restaurant called San Lorenzo in London. | 我们在伦敦一家叫圣洛伦佐的餐馆 |
| 211 | And she said to me, Carlos, which is what she called me, I am going to get divorced. | 她对我说,卡洛斯,这就是她叫我, 我要离婚。 |
| 212 | And I knew her marriage was rocky, but I had no idea that that was where she was headed. | 我知道她的婚姻是摇滚, 但我不知道那是她要去的地方。 |
| 213 | And so I just said to her, look, obviously, I totally support whatever decision you've made. | 所以我对她说,看,很明显, 我完全支持你所做的任何决定。 |
| 214 | I know it's not a decision you'll have made lightly. | 我知道这不是你轻而易举的决定 |
| 215 | But I do worry, I said, I do worry that the public will really be in a way angry with you | 但我很担心,我说,我的确担心 公众真的会生气 |
| 216 | for killing the fairy tale that they've all subscribed to. | 因为他们杀了他们都认同的童话 |
| 217 | And those are the words she said to me. | 这就是她对我说的话 |
| 218 | You say, though, in the book, it was an improbable claim. | 你说,虽然,在书中, 这是一个不可能的说法。 |
| 219 | And therefore, to include it in the book when it is improbable, | 因此,当它不可能的时候,把它列入书中, |
| 220 | when you know that this will be incendiary to many people's ears. | 当你们知道这对许多人的耳朵是有害的。 |
| 221 | And also, you're a historian of great renown and used to dealing with sources and evidence. | 而且,你是一个历史学家 一个伟大的名声, 并习惯处理的来源和证据。 |
| 222 | Some people might wonder if you have included that claim, which you can't verify. | 有些人可能会怀疑你是否包括了这个说法,你无法证实这个说法. |
| 223 | Well, I can absolutely swear that she said those words to me. | 我绝对可以发誓 她对我说了那些话 |
| 224 | But in terms of proving that that happened, I just wonder. | 但是,为了证明这一点,我只是想知道。 |
| 225 | And you know this will be the case, that some people listening will wonder if you are | 你知道事情是这样的 有些人会怀疑你是否 |
| 226 | including some of these allegations in order to create interest, to sell your book, perhaps. | 包括其中的一些指控,以引起兴趣, 卖你的书,也许。 |
| 227 | You may be accused of that. | 你可能会因此受到指控。 |
| 228 | You know that. | 你知道这一点。 |
| 229 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 230 | I've been accused of lots of things. | 我被指责很多事情。 |
| 231 | I remember straight after delivering the eulogy, I became a bit of a tabloid punchbag. | 我直接记得在送悼词后 我变成了个小报的拳击手 |
| 232 | I'm used to, when I speak up for Diana, I'm used to brick bats coming my way. | 我习惯了,当我为戴安娜说话的时候, 我习惯了把球棒砸过来。 |
| 233 | That's what happens. | 即是缘起. |
| 234 | My job, though, is, at the end of the day, I think we have to get back to why I wrote this. | 不过,我的工作是,最后,我想我们必须回到为什么我写这个。 |
| 235 | It's a brother's tribute, a loving tribute to a sister. | 以兄弟为贡,慈爱为姊. |
| 236 | And I think she deserves honesty. | 我觉得她值得诚实 |
| 237 | So that's what I've delivered. | 所以这就是我送的 |
| 238 | Do you feel that people have sometimes misunderstood that, of course, she had these huge struggles, | 你是否觉得人们有时误解了 当然,她有这些巨大的斗争, |
| 239 | these huge agonies, but actually there was another side to her that leaps off many of the pages of your book? | 但实际上她还有另一面 从你书的许多页上跳出来? |
| 240 | She was just phenomenally good fun. | 她只是令人难以置信的乐趣。 |
| 241 | We grew up together. | 我们一起长大的 |
| 242 | I mean, it was never a dull moment. | 我的意思是,它从来没有 一个无聊的时刻。 |
| 243 | 我们都有ADHD。 | |
| 244 | She was never diagnosed, but clearly we did. | 她从未被诊断出来 但显然我们确诊了 |
| 245 | I got a letter from her nanny recently. | 我最近收到她保姆的信 |
| 246 | It was lovely. | 很不错 |
| 247 | And she said, you were a bit of a handful. | 她说,你有点难受。 |
| 248 | And I think we probably were. | 我认为我们可能是。 |
| 249 | But nothing malicious, just a lot of energy and humour. | 但没有什么恶意,只是很多精力和幽默。 |
| 250 | You see, I wanted to get across that Diana was such a breath of fresh air. | 你知道,我想通过 戴安娜是如此的新鲜空气。 |
| 251 | She was also a complicated person. | 她也是一个复杂的人。 |
| 252 | And under all of that pressure, she did also want to tell her story. | 在所有这些压力下,她也想讲述自己的故事. |
| 253 | And you introduced her to Martin Bashir, then of the BBC, | 你把她介绍给英国广播公司的马丁·巴希尔 |
| 254 | the journalist who conned her into giving an interview by using the wildest of claims. | 利用最疯狂的说法 骗她接受采访的记者 |
| 255 | Now, after years of investigations, the BBC has eventually apologised for their part in all of that. | 现在,经过多年的调查,英国广播公司最终为他们参与这一切表示歉意. |
| 256 | But do you think that that interview, what happened then, is linked, even indirectly, | 但是,你是否认为那次采访,当时发生的事情, 是有联系的,甚至间接的, |
| 257 | to her finding herself in Paris on the night of her death, getting into that car and ending up in that crash? | 在她死那晚发现自己在巴黎 上那辆车 坠机身亡? |
| 258 | Do you make that connection? | 你们有联系吗? |
| 259 | I do make it as a connection, not the connection. | 我做它作为一个连接, 不是连接。 |
| 260 | So Diana was under huge pressure, and particularly after she separated. | 因此戴安娜承受了巨大的压力,特别是在她分居后. |
| 261 | I do think with Panorama, yes, they conned Diana, they also conned me, | 是的 他们骗了戴安娜 也骗了我 |
| 262 | by showing false bank statements to me to get to Diana by saying that somebody else had been deceiving her. | 向我出示虚假的银行对账单 以便找到戴安娜 说有人在欺骗她 |
| 263 | But what happened, the consequences of Diana being told, you cannot trust anyone, meant that she was alone that night, really. | 但发生的事情, 戴安娜被告知的后果, 你不能相信任何人, 意味着她是一个晚上,真的。 |
| 264 | And I think that she was convinced that she had got rid of her driver, totally innocent man, was told that he couldn't be there. | 我想她确信她已经摆脱了司机, 完全无辜的人, 被告知他不能在那里。 |
| 265 | He wouldn't have been in Paris, but police bodyguards, private protection officers, they were got rid of too. | 他本来不会在巴黎,但是警察的保镖,私人保护官,他们也被赶走了. |
| 266 | And I think that's really, it all builds to, people said, oh, she was paranoid. | 我认为,这真的,一切都是建立在, 人们说,哦,她是偏执。 |
| 267 | She wasn't paranoid. | 她不是偏执狂。 |
| 268 | She was convinced that she couldn't trust people because the evidence was there. | 她相信她不能相信别人 因为证据就在那里 |
| 269 | And I think that left her vulnerable that night. | 我认为这让她在那晚变得脆弱 |
| 270 | She had also, by that point, she'd lost her security. | 那时她也失去了安全 |
| 271 | She'd had her title taken away from her too by the Royal Family. | 她的头衔也被皇室夺走了 |
| 272 | That's happened to one of her sons, Harry. | 她的一个儿子 Harry 就是这样 |
| 273 | He's had his title taken away. | 他的头衔被夺走了 |
| 274 | He's losing a fight to get his security back. | 他为找回他的安保而战败了 |
| 275 | How do you think Harry and his family have been treated by the Royal Family? | 你觉得哈里和他的家人 如何被皇家家族对待? |
| 276 | I would feel very reluctant to get involved in this discussion. | 我非常不愿意参与这一讨论。 |
| 277 | I would say that I personally worry about the fifth in line to the throne who served in the military not having any police protection. | 我要说,我个人担心的是,第五位在军中服役的人没有任何警察保护。 |
| 278 | It does worry me, not politically, not because I can influence RAVEC or whatever they're called, the security people. | 这的确让我担心,不是政治上的,不是因为我可以影响RAVEC或者他们所说的什么,安全的人. |
| 279 | But just as an uncle, I do worry about the security aspect. | 但是作为一个叔叔,我确实担心安全方面。 |
| 280 | Titles, I know I've got one, but I don't really use it. | 标题,我知道我有一个, 但我没有真正使用它。 |
| 281 | So titles are not very important to me. | 所以头衔对我来说并不重要 |
| 282 | So I would just say from a security aspect, as an uncle who's seen his sister die in very, very preventable circumstances, that I would fear towards protection. | 所以我只想从安全的角度说, 作为一个叔叔,他看到 他的姐姐死 在非常,非常可预防的情况下, 我会害怕保护。 |
| 283 | But do you fear there is somehow an echo of what happened to Diana? | 但你是否担心 戴安娜的遭遇有回响? |
| 284 | Harry has said on many occasions that he hasn't felt supported by the institution over the choices that he's made with his life. | 哈利曾多次表示,对于他与生俱来的抉择,他并没有感到机构的支持. |
| 285 | Do you worry about there being an echo of what happened to your sister? | 你担心有回声 发生在你妹妹身上的事情吗? |
| 286 | I think there's this perception in the media that I'm on Harry's side. | 我想媒体上有一种感觉,认为我站在哈利一边. |
| 287 | Well, I'm on my deceased sister's son's side, both of them. | 好吧,我站在我死去的妹妹的儿子一边,他们两个。 |
| 288 | And if either of them wanted anything, then I'd be equally there for them. | 如果其中任何一个想要什么, 那我会同样支持他们。 |
| 289 | And I never get involved in one camp or the other except as a benign figure, I hope. | 我从不参与一个或另一个营地 除了作为一个善良的人物,我希望。 |
| 290 | That's my role. | 这是我的角色。 |
| 291 | Do you think Diana would identify with the attention, the focus that has been put on them and with Meghan, who said she felt like she was the most trolled person in the world? | 你觉得戴安娜会用注意力来识别 他们和梅根的注意力吗? 说她觉得自己是世上最受虐的人? |
| 292 | They were here during the summer not so long ago. | 他们在夏天在这里 不久前。 |
| 293 | If you look at an article in a tabloid about Diana or the couple that you were mentioning, Harry and Meghan, they can be really, really unpleasant. | 如果你在小报上看到一篇文章 关于戴安娜或你提到的夫妇,哈利和梅根, 他们可能真的,真的很不愉快。 |
| 294 | And I think it would be really beholden on people to learn from Diana's example. | 我想从戴安娜的例子中吸取教训是值得的。 |
| 295 | I'm not here to speak for Harry and Meghan, but for anyone who's being destroyed in this way daily, it must be such a cancerous influence in their life. | 我不是来为哈利和梅根说话的 但对于每天被这样摧毁的人来说 这一定是他们生活中的癌症影响 |
| 296 | I saw it with Diana. | 我看见戴安娜了 |
| 297 | I saw Diana. | 我看见戴安娜了 |
| 298 | I mentioned it in the eulogy, her tears of despair. | 我在悼词中提到过 她绝望的泪水 |
| 299 | One of the problems with Diana was she was very, very sensitive to criticism. | 戴安娜的问题之一是她对批评非常,非常敏感. |
| 300 | And of course, I'm sure most of your viewers now think, oh, she had this splendid life and it was all amazing and she was so privileged and so perfect in so many ways. | 当然,我敢肯定,大多数的观众 现在认为, 哦,她有 如此辉煌的生活, 这是所有的惊人, 她是如此的特权 如此完美 在如此多方面。 |
| 301 | But she was really brought low by all that criticism. | 但是,她真的 低调了所有的批评。 |
| 302 | And yeah, I suppose it's a pity when I see echoes of that now. | 是的,我想这很可惜 当我看到回声 现在。 |
| 303 | You've written about the monarchy over the ages. | 你写过很多年的君主制 |
| 304 | And goodness knows in history, there have been plenty of splits between the Spencers and the Windsors. | 天知道史上 斯宾塞家族和温莎家族之间有很多分歧 |
| 305 | But there's now a very bitter, difficult split inside the Windsor family between the two boys. | 但是现在在温莎家族内部,两个男孩之间出现了非常痛苦,困难的分裂. |
| 306 | You've said you don't want to take sides. | 你说你不想站在一边 |
| 307 | What do you think their mother would say to them about the division between them? | 你觉得他们的母亲会对他们说什么 关于他们之间的分裂? |
| 308 | There's a lot of reasons on both sides why this has got to this stage. | 双方都有很多原因,这才到了这个阶段. |
| 309 | And as an uncle, I hope one day it's resolved. | 作为叔叔 我希望有一天能解决 |
| 310 | But I don't know. | 却不知. |
| 311 | I certainly don't know what's been done in the finer detail. | 我当然不知道在细节上做了什么 |
| 312 | And so I would feel intrusive if I got more involved than to say, of course, a mother would want her two sons to be happy together and love each other. | 所以我会觉得侵入性,如果我得到更多的参与 比说,当然,一个母亲会希望她的两个儿子在一起快乐,彼此相爱。 |
| 313 | Do you believe in the monarchy? | 你相信君主制吗? |
| 314 | Well, I believe it exists and I believe it will continue to exist. | 我相信它存在 我相信它会继续存在 |
| 315 | And I think monarchies are generally, when they work, they work really well. | 我认为君主制是一般的,当它们工作的时候,它们的工作真的很好. |
| 316 | I'm married to a Norwegian and their monarchy is absolute. | 我嫁给了挪威人 他们的君主制是绝对的 |
| 317 | It's so admirable. | 真令人钦佩 |
| 318 | I really have a lot of time for it. | 我真的有很多时间 |
| 319 | I think monarchy is absolutely fine. | 我认为君主制是绝对好的. |
| 320 | I'm probably with the majority of the British people. | 我可能和大多数英国人在一起 |
| 321 | You think, God, who do you get as a president? | 你认为,上帝,你是谁作为总统? |
| 322 | And that's quite worrying. | 这很令人担忧。 |
| 323 | Some of the politicians who might go for that role who would be less appetizing than a monarch. | 有些政客可能会去扮演这个角色,他们不会比君主更喜欢这个角色. |
| 324 | I find some of the flummery around monarchy quite jarring. | 我发现一些流言蜚语 围绕君主制相当热闹。 |
| 325 | You know, you mentioned the statement earlier, His Majesty says. | 陛下说,你刚才提到了声明 |
| 326 | I just don't think it's healthy for a human being to be seen in such archaic, servile terms. | 我只是不认为 一个人被看 如此古老的, 奴役的术语。 |
| 327 | So I'm a bit more, I'm all for a monarchy, but I like a modern monarchy. | 所以我更喜欢君主制 但我喜欢现代君主制 |
| 328 | Do you support this monarchy and this monarch? | 你支持君主制和君主制吗? |
| 329 | Because some of the claims in your book are incredibly damning of the monarch of this country, | 因为你书中的一些主张 令人难以置信地诅咒这个国家的君主 |
| 330 | who also people watching will remember has been seriously ill in this last year. | 他们也会记得去年病得很重 |
| 331 | The family has had illness and strife and upset and division. | 家人有病有争,有不安,有分裂. |
| 332 | Do you support this monarchy? | 你支持这个君主制吗? |
| 333 | I do. | 当然 |
| 334 | You have a funny way of showing it. | 你有一个有趣的方式 显示它。 |
| 335 | Well, I'm not dealing with King Charles as monarch in this book. | 我不是在这本书里 把查尔斯国王当成君主 |
| 336 | This is all 30 odd years ago and what was said and done then. | 这是所有30年前的奇事 和当时的言行。 |
| 337 | There are so many memories in the book and it feels very meaningful to sit in this house | 书里有很多回忆 坐在这间屋子里感觉很有意义 |
| 338 | where much of what you recount took place, even though this wasn't your happy family home. | 尽管这里不是你幸福的家 |
| 339 | Well, my fondest memories of Diana tend to be from our happy childhood home, | 我对戴安娜最美好的回忆 往往来自我们快乐的童年家 |
| 340 | which was before this, which is Park House in Sandringham in Norfolk. | 这是诺福克的桑德林汉姆公园 |
| 341 | Just it wasn't, even though we had the rupture of my parents' divorce, | 虽然我父母的离婚破裂了 |
| 342 | it was such a happy home and it's just those days there, carefree days. | 当时是这么幸福的家 在那的日子里是无忧无虑的 |
| 343 | So not an instance, but a period of life. | 所以,不是一个实例,而是生命期。 |
| 344 | And I tell you, it really breaks me up when I look at old photographs of Diana as a child | 告诉你,当我看着戴安娜小时候的老照片时,它真的让我心碎 |
| 345 | and then think what happened, it's terribly sad. | 然后想一想, 发生了什么事,这是非常可悲的。 |
| 346 | How much do you miss her? | 你想她多少钱? |
| 347 | Well, every day, you know, that's the thing with sibling loss, you never get over it. | 嗯,每天,你知道,这是 事情与兄弟失去, 你永远忘不了它。 |
| 348 | Do you think there may be a time where you've used the phrase get over, | 你觉得你是否曾用过这个短语 |
| 349 | but reading the book and given how this is all played in public, | 但读这本书 并知道这一切是如何 在公开播放, |
| 350 | there is a sense that somehow what happened to her has understandably almost consumed you at times. | 有一种感觉,不知何故, 她的遭遇 几乎几乎消耗了你 有时。 |
| 351 | I have a very, luckily I have a hugely diverse and happy life. | 我有一个非常,幸运的 我有一个巨大的多样性和快乐的生活。 |
| 352 | One of the reasons I call this one song actually is because it's my sign off. | 我把这首歌叫做一首的原因之一 就是因为这是我的标志 |
| 353 | I have been Diana's brother. | 我曾经是戴安娜的弟弟 |
| 354 | This is my final take on the situation and I have a wonderful, | 这是我的最后一幕 我有一个美妙的, |
| 355 | happy life, gorgeous children, fabulous wife. | 快乐的生活,华丽的孩子, 美丽的妻子。 |
| 356 | And we live this much more normal life than this looks like. | 我们过着比这更正常的生活 |
| 357 | And that's my future. | 这是我的未来 |
| 358 | This is my swan song too. | 这是我的天鹅歌了。 |
| 359 | I'm not here to bang on about Diana. | 我不是来谈戴安娜的 |
| 360 | This is my final word, celebration of her. | 这是我最后的话,庆祝她。 |
| 361 | And I will step off into the sunset now and not be available for comment. | 我将踏入夕阳, |
| 362 | But there will be, as we've discussed, a lot of turbulence, a lot of anger, | 但是,正如我们讨论过的,会有很多动荡,愤怒, |
| 363 | perhaps a lot of division stirred up by some of the more eye-catching claims that you have made. | 也许很多的分裂 被你提出的一些 更吸引眼睛的说法激起 |
| 364 | Some people might wonder just maybe, as maybe in every family, | 有些人可能会怀疑 也许,也许在每个家庭, |
| 365 | some family secrets are better left unsaid. | 有些家庭秘密最好不说 |
| 366 | They certainly are and they have been left unsaid. | 他们确是无言的。 |
| 367 | Will you say more? | 你会说更多吗? |
| 368 | You've said? | 你说了? |
| 369 | No, that's it. | 不,就是这样。 |
| 370 | That's me done. | 我受够了 |
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