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泽连斯基在FT专访中直言:强硬的乌克兰才符合美国最根本利益

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0:00So, there have been reports in the last few days that America has taken the extraordinary所以,过去几天有报道说 美国采取了非凡的,
0:07step of threatening to cut intelligence sharing and arms supplies if you don't stop attacking威胁要切断情报分享和武器供应 如果你不停止攻击
0:14oil refineries in Russia.俄罗斯炼油厂.
0:17Has America, have American officials explicitly made this threat?美国官员是否明确发出这种威胁?
0:22We had really ballistic attacks, it was three days ago, and we didn't get the information我们真的有弹道攻击, 这是三天前, 我们没有得到信息
0:27that these ballistic attacks will be.这些弹道攻击将会是。
0:31And we can see on the last seconds, yes, by our own capabilities.我们可以看到最后的几秒钟, 是的,根据我们自己的能力。
0:38So we, of course, we connected with partners on different levels of military people, and因此,我们,当然,我们联系伙伴 不同级别的军人,和
0:46they said some technological questions.他们说了一些技术问题。
0:51Then at night today, at night, this night, massive ballistic attack and drones attack,然后在今天的晚上, 在晚上,在今晚, 大规模弹道攻击和无人机攻击,
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1So, there have been reports in the last few days that America has taken the extraordinary所以,过去几天有报道说 美国采取了非凡的,
2step of threatening to cut intelligence sharing and arms supplies if you don't stop attacking威胁要切断情报分享和武器供应 如果你不停止攻击
3oil refineries in Russia.俄罗斯炼油厂.
4Has America, have American officials explicitly made this threat?美国官员是否明确发出这种威胁?
5We had really ballistic attacks, it was three days ago, and we didn't get the information我们真的有弹道攻击, 这是三天前, 我们没有得到信息
6that these ballistic attacks will be.这些弹道攻击将会是。
7And we can see on the last seconds, yes, by our own capabilities.我们可以看到最后的几秒钟, 是的,根据我们自己的能力。
8So we, of course, we connected with partners on different levels of military people, and因此,我们,当然,我们联系伙伴 不同级别的军人,和
9they said some technological questions.他们说了一些技术问题。
10Then at night today, at night, this night, massive ballistic attack and drones attack,然后在今天的晚上, 在晚上,在今晚, 大规模弹道攻击和无人机攻击,
11again we have this block, block or technical problem or will, I don't know.再说一遍,我们有这个障碍, 障碍或技术问题,或者会,我不知道。
12Which do you think it is?你觉得是哪个?
13I can say what I think and I can say what I know.我可以说出我的想法,我可以说出我知道的。
14So what I know that Starlink was pushed to slow speed, yes?我所知道的是,星际链接被推向了慢速,是吗?
15It was not the technical problem, it was the will.这不是技术问题,而是意志问题。
16We understand what's going on because it was everywhere.我们理解这是怎么回事 因为到处都是
17In the territory of the capital of all the Ukraine where we use Starlinks, we saw this.在所有乌克兰首都的领土上 我们用星际链接,我们看到了这一点。
18Also on the battlefield where we use it for mid-strikes, we couldn't decide to use it,在战场上 我们无法决定使用它
19we saw this.我们看到了这个。
20Then when we give food and water to our soldiers who are blocked, you know, in the gray zones然后,当我们给我们的士兵 食物和水, 他们被堵住,你知道, 在灰色地带
21and they said, what is the most important of using Starlinks?他们说,什么是最重要的 使用星际链接?
22Of course, we are thankful to partners, but what is the most important?当然,我们感谢伙伴,但最重要的是什么?
23Because when you have problems with logistics, you need to save life.因为当物流有问题的时候,你需要拯救生命.
24Everything doesn't matter at this moment.此时一切不思议.
25And at this very moment, we use only our drones, our different, from infrastructure or robotized此时此刻,我们只使用我们的无人机 不同于基础设施或机器人
26systems, drones which can on a high speed bring food, water, other things.无人机能以高速的速度带来食物、水和其他东西。
27If it's slow, it will be destroyed.若其缓缓,必毁之.
28Have you, forgive me, have you spoken to Elon Musk about this?原谅我 你和伊隆·穆斯克谈过这个吗
29Have you contacted him about this?你联系过他吗?
30During this period, we've got our military people, not me personally.在此期间,我们得到了我们的军人,而不是我个人.
31We've got, don't attack because maybe you will have problems with intelligence.我们得到了,不要攻击 因为也许你会有 与智能的问题。
32So this is the answer.这就是答案。
33When you say they want it or it was some technological problems, I can say they said that it's technological当你说他们想要的时候 或者说这是一些技术问题, 我可以说,他们说这是技术
34problems on some level, but on military level before they said that if you will not stop,某种程度上的问题,但是在军事上 他们之前说,如果你不会停止,
35we will block intelligence.我们会封锁情报
36This is, I think, the problem.我想这就是问题所在
37And when it goes together with Starlink's decision, which is 100% the decision of American当它与Starlink的决定, 这是100%的决定 美国
38side, again, I don't know, SpaceX or government, I think that not military people.再说一遍,我不知道,SpaceX或政府, 我认为不是军人。
39I think it's about SpaceX.我认为这是关于SpaceX。
40So together, it makes huge problems.因此,它共同造成了巨大的问题。
41Just to return to the threat, then you're saying that it was made at the military level.仅仅为了回到威胁,然后你说这是在军事层面制造的.
42This was made by senior American military people to your military people.这是美国高级军人给你的军人做的
43It was not made by politicians to politicians.这不是政客对政治家们提出的。
44It was soldiers to soldiers.这是士兵对士兵。
45It was made this way, as I said, but it's understandable that politicians use another正如我所说,这是用这种方式做的 但政治家们使用另一种
46format of giving you messages.发送消息的格式。
47But for me, what was it?但对我来说,是什么?
48I mean, pressure doesn't work and they know, but what works when President Trump said it我的意思是,压力不起作用,他们知道, 但什么是有效的,当总统特朗普说
49in parallel way, said that energy ceasefire, and I support it, I'm openly and honestly,同时,我说,能源停火, 我支持它,我公开和诚实,
50I support it.我赞成
51And he said, and that's why, not because of signals from anybody, but it's not the problem.他说,这就是为什么,不是因为任何人的信号, 但这不是问题所在。
52The reason is not important.原因并不重要。
53The result is important.结果很重要。
54But he said, energy ceasefire, and I said, look, President said, okay, we didn't speak但他说,能源停火, 我说,你看,总统说, 好吧,我们没有说话
55with him about it, but he said, let's support.和他谈这个,但他说,让我们支持。
56I said to my military people that we don't attack during energy ceasefire, Russian refineries我对军队说,在能源停火期间 我们不进攻,俄罗斯炼油厂
57and everything what connects with diesel, because if we will attack, even if we are和一切与柴油连接, 因为如果我们要攻击,即使我们是
58right and we are right, of course, somebody will say, I don't know what side, but they没错,我们是对的,当然,有人会说, 我不知道哪边,但他们
59will say that we broke energy ceasefire.将说,我们违反了能源停火。
60I don't want to play this game.我不想玩这个游戏。
61Yes, we have big experience not to play this game, not to be involved.是的,我们有丰富的经验 不玩这个游戏, 不参与。
62That's why three days we didn't attack any energy, diesel and et cetera systems of Russia,所以我们三天没攻击俄国的能源 柴油等系统
63and three days they attack us.他们袭击我们三天
64But if Thursday it was just gas station and some petrol infrastructure, and second, not但是如果星期四只是加油站和一些汽油基础设施 第二,不是
65The sore day at night, today, they directly attacked all the energy main infrastructure白天晚上,今天,他们直接攻击所有能源主要基础设施
66objects in Ukraine, mostly in the capital and not only Kharkiv and other cities, but乌克兰的物体,大多在首都,不仅在哈尔科夫和其他城市,而且
67mostly ballistic came to the capital, yes.弹道学大多是到首都来的
68So they did it.所以他们做到了。
69So if they keep doing this, how much longer will you maintain the stoppage of attacks所以,如果他们继续这样做, 你会维持多久 停止攻击
70on Russian refineries?在俄罗斯炼油厂?
71That's it.就这样
72Block is out.布洛克出来了
73Today's evening, I said to my military people, after they again killed, I killed today after今天晚上,我对我的军人说, 他们再次杀死,我今天杀死之后
74such massive attack, I didn't hear messages from president of the United States, because如此大规模的攻击,我没有听到 美国总统的消息,因为
75maybe a little bit later we will hear.一会儿再说吧
76And then in Lutsk and again in some other cities, they attacked again, killed a lot然后在卢茨克和其他一些城市, 他们再次进攻,杀死了很多
77of people, just civilians, all of them, just civilians, no military people, just civilians.只有平民,他们所有人,只有平民,没有军人,只有平民。
78You're sounding, Mr. President, deeply frustrated with America and with the Trump administration.总统先生,你对美国和特朗普政府深感失望
79After this, after these few days, how can you trust them to be a mediator?在这之后,在这几天之后,你怎么能相信他们成为调解人呢?
80Our goal piece.我们的目标
81And only in unity we can get it with such a big aggressor.只有团结起来,我们才能与这样一个大侵略者取得胜利。
82It's a big aggressor, Russia, yes, we can't, we don't forget it and they don't give us这是一个大的侵略者,俄罗斯,是的,我们不能,我们不会忘记它,他们不会给我们
83possibility to forget, it's true.有可能忘记,这是真的。
84Only unity can stop them.只有团结才能阻止他们。
85And of course, United States and Europe can do it, of course, I'm sure.当然,美国和欧洲可以做到这一点, 当然,我相信。
86I'm sure.我当然知道
87I said to the president, we can do it very quickly.我对总统说 我们可以很快做到
88If you will not close Starlink for us, if you will open Starlink on the territory of如果你不为我们关闭星际链接, 如果你要打开星际链接 在领地上,
89Russia, we will destroy his ballistic launchers.俄罗斯,我们将摧毁他的弹道发射器。
90And that's it.且道.
91For him, that's it.对于他来说,就是这样。
92Why?为什么?
93He will sit and speak.他会坐下来说话。
94And I will not destroy any energy objects.我不会破坏任何能量物体。
95I don't need it.我不需要这个
96Yes, ballistic, this is only one thing.是的,弹道,这只是一件事。
97He can't do anything on the territory of Ukraine for today.他今天不能在乌克兰境内做任何事情.
98Only with big losses, he can move one kilometre, two kilometre, ten kilometres and, you know,只有损失很大,他才能移动一公里,两公里,十公里,而且,你知道,
99a lot of losses.很多损失
100The result of these kilometres.这些公里的结果。
101So that's why, that was my signal.这就是为什么,这是我的信号。
102Give us Starlink, open it for us.给我们Starlink,打开它给我们。
103But they closed it.但他们关闭了它。
104They didn't make it wider, they make it smaller.他们没有让它更宽, 他们让它更小。
105So it's a very serious, very serious mistake.所以这是一个非常严重,非常严重的错误.
106You need the intelligence and the Starlink.你需要情报和星际关系
107Sorry, I think it's important that if we will not have unity with the United States对不起,我认为这很重要 如果我们不与美国团结一致
108and Europe, it's a longer way.在欧洲,这是一个更长的路。
109Americans are on our side.美国人站在我们这边
110Oh, really?是吗?
111I know that the majority of the United States supports Ukraine.我知道,大多数美国支持乌克兰。
112Yeah, I understand a lot of challenges the president has and Iran and the total Middle是的,我理解很多挑战 总统,伊朗和整个中间
113East, this crisis and all this oil crisis, we understand the roots are there, not in东方,这场危机和所有石油危机, 我们知道根源在那里,而不是在
114Ukraine.乌克兰。
115Yes, and the elections and a lot of things what he's thinking about.是的,选举和很多事情 他在想什么。
116But somebody is moving him not correctly to not right side.但有人把他移到不正确的一边
117Yes, that's why.是的,这就是原因。
118Can we stop Putin?我们能阻止普京吗?
119Yes.对
120Can we come to negotiation?我们能来谈判吗?
121Of course.当然
122Can it be as quick as possible?能快点吗?
123I'm sure.我当然知道
124But if you will ask, Putin is comfortable now.但是如果你要问的话,普京现在很自在.
125Yes.对
126You need American intelligence, Starlink and a weaponry.你需要美国情报 星灵和武器
127So how are you going to repair this relationship?那你打算怎么修复这种关系?
128We didn't destroy any relations.我们没有破坏任何关系。
129So be open, clear and with dignity.故开明清净庄严.
130It doesn't mean that you are a destroyer.这并不意味着你是一个驱逐舰。
131I'm an honest partner of the president of the United States, not because of personalities,我是美国总统的诚实搭档 不是因为个性
132because Ukraine is a strategic partner of the United States.因为乌克兰是美国的战略伙伴。
133It's like between us and UK.就像我们和英国之间一样
134It's like between UK and EU.类似英国和欧盟之间.
135It can't be another way.这不可能是另一种方式。
136I mean, we will lose everything because Russia can fight with all of us only when we are我的意思是,我们将失去一切 因为俄罗斯可以与我们所有人战斗,只有当我们是
137not together.不是一起来的
138Isn't it better for you to give a unilateral declaration, if you like, that you will not单方声明,如果你喜欢,你不会
139Russian refineries, even if Russia is still striking your energy infrastructure in order俄罗斯的炼油厂,即使俄罗斯仍在攻击你们的能源基础设施
140to get the Trump administration back on side?让特朗普政府重新站在一起?
141When you are not the first year in a war and you don't look at your first step and the当你不是第一年 在战争中,你不看 你的第一步和
142second, you look what will be in some steps later.第二,你看看以后会怎样
143Otherwise, you will lose everything.否则,你会失去一切。
144So I know that if such moment will come and such diesel deal will move Ukraine to be silent,所以我知道如果这一刻到来 这样的柴油交易会让乌克兰保持沉默
145I mean this on the battlefield, don't respond after their attacks.我是说在战场上 别在他们攻击后回应
146The question will be when the next deal will be.问题就在于下个交易何时进行.
147And all these deals, diesel, maybe the next will be gas.所有这些交易,柴油, 也许下一个将是天然气。
148Definitely, it will be gas.绝对是汽油
149Who will get money and who will spend this money and on what?谁能拿到钱,谁能花这些钱?
150Not to rebuild Ukraine, I think.我想不是重建乌克兰
151Not to support us, I think so.不是支持我们,我想是的。
152It will go oppositely.会相反的
153Possibility to increase the production because much money, a lot of money, a lot of可能增加产量 因为很多钱,很多钱,很多
154fundings and contracts and etc.供资和合同等
155from oil and diesel, from gas and I don't know.从石油和柴油, 从天然气和我不知道。
156I mean this weapon, it doesn't mean that you have a gun.我是说这个武器 不代表你有枪
157Weapon is money when you can produce millions of guns.武器是金钱 当你可以生产数百万的枪。
158This is a weapon and that's why we can't support increasing fundings for Russia.这是一个武器, 这就是为什么我们不能支持 增加对俄罗斯的资助。
159What if you don't have America?如果你没有美国呢?
160What do you need from Europe if it's just Europe and Ukraine?如果只是欧洲和乌克兰 你需要什么?
161Europe's sanctions are painful for him.欧洲的制裁对他来说是痛苦的.
162Yes, it doesn't stop him, not enough, but sensitive.是的,它没有阻止他, 不够,但敏感。
163The problem that Europe also get some energy resources from Russia.欧洲也从俄罗斯获得一些能源的问题.
164So when we say can you do something without America, today it's very difficult.所以,当我们说你能做一些没有美国的事情, 今天是非常困难的。
165I mean this, can you fight when you have the unity of Europe and be strong?我的意思是,你能战斗 当你有欧洲的统一 和强壮?
166Yes, but the problem is what does it mean, unity of Europe?是的,但问题在于,欧洲的统一意味着什么?
167On a lot of questions we had together, but then for example for somebody they said look,在很多问题上,我们在一起, 但然后举例来说,有人 他们说看,
168I'm not ready for oil embargo from Russia or I'm not ready from nuclear stations,我还没准备好接受俄罗斯的石油禁运 或者我还没准备好接受核电站的石油禁运
169yes, for nuclear energy, yes, to block it, to put sanctions on nuclear stations of Russia是的,因为核能,是的,封锁它, 制裁俄罗斯的核电站
170or nuclear companies, yeah, so not ready another company.或核公司, 是的,所以没有准备好 另一家公司。
171Europe has to be strong and united urgently because there are a lot of different risks,欧洲必须强大和紧急团结 因为有很多不同的风险
172not only with Ukraine, there are risks they are bordering across the borders,他们不仅与乌克兰交界,而且有跨越边界的危险,
173yes, in the sky now without land forces, but in the sky using drones with Romania,是的,在天空,现在没有陆地力量, 但在天空使用无人机与罗马尼亚,
174with Moldova, with Germany already, it's with Germany, with Poland, we see all of these,与摩尔多瓦,与德国已经, 它与德国,与波兰,我们看到所有这些,
175Bulgaria, we see all of these, I mean there's a lot of countries already,保加利亚,我们看到所有这些, 我的意思是,已经有许多国家,
176there is hybrid wars, it's hybrid operation, yes, not still massive operation,有混合战争,这是混合行动,是的,不是仍然大规模行动,
177but it's like with the cold water, you know, in the sea, one, two, three, try then you will swim,但它就像与冷水, 你知道,在海里, 一,二,三,尝试然后你会游泳,
178yes, a little bit later, this is Putin, he's trying.是的,稍晚,这是普京,他在努力。
179When you look at the state of politics across the EU when we have a lot of elections coming up and a当你看到整个欧盟的政局, 当我们有许多选举即将来临,
180lot of far-right parties gaining in strength, skeptical about supporting Ukraine, this must许多极右翼政党都获得了力量, 对支持乌克兰持怀疑态度,
181be a big cause of concern for you.成为你担心的大麻烦
182Of course a lot of challenges it will bring, not can,当然,它会带来许多挑战,不能,
183will, we understand it, we can estimate now that changing policy can be yes,我们理解,现在我们可以估计 改变政策是肯定的,
184but still we have to, we will need to try to find dialogue with everybody, with everybody.但是,我们仍然必须,我们需要努力找到与每个人的对话,与每个人的对话。
185We interviewed Marine Le Pen this week and she said the honest thing to say to you was我们本周采访了Marine Le Pen 她说实话实说
186no more money, we can't do any more money, and that she would stop没有钱了,我们再也不能做钱了 她会停下来的
187financing Ukraine after six months of winning the presidency.在乌克兰赢得主席职位6个月后为乌克兰提供资金。
188Do you, how do you persuade her otherwise?你怎么说服她?
189I will not vote for her because I'm Ukrainian.我不会投给她 因为我是乌克兰人
190I think that the experience of our army technologically我认为我们军队的经验 技术上
191very important for the partners, UK, United States, France are among these partners对于伙伴来说非常重要的是,联合王国、美国、法国是这些伙伴之一。
192and I think French industry only win, can win with these technologies,我认为法国工业只有赢 才能用这些技术赢
193with this cooperation in co-production and it's not to pay Ukraine for today,合作合作制作 今天不付乌克兰钱
194we are not in the first and the second year of the war, yes it's to help Ukraine be strong我们不是在战争的第一年和第二年, 是帮助乌克兰强壮。
195and Ukraine will give back security for somebody, for somebody's experience, it's up to them how to乌克兰会把安全还给某个人 某人的经验 取决于他们如何
196its security and experience, by the way the price is not so high as people's lives, that's why I它的安全和经验, 顺便说一句, 价格不是那么高 人民的生命, 这就是为什么我
197think that Madame Le Pen is not deeply with some details, we give back and this is very important.觉得勒庞夫人不太了解一些细节 我们退回去 这很重要
198The most, by the way, the most strong system, anti-ballistic and anti-cruise missiles顺便说一句,最强大的系统,反弹和反核导弹
199and etc, the air defense, this is French air defense, yes with Italy, with cooperation with等,空防,这是法国的空防,是的,与意大利合作
200other countries and it's there, but it's French, yeah, but she like a politician and she wants to不过是法国人,但她喜欢政客,她想
201be a president in any way, she needs, I think so, to be sure, otherwise for what this production is不管怎么说,她需要,我认为,确定, 否则,这个制作是什么
202to be sure that she has the strongest European system which works, we made a lot of different为了保证她有最强的欧洲系统, 我们做了很多不同的
203changes there in the system together with French guys because they saw how it worked和法国人一起改变制度 因为他们看到它是如何运作的
204and how it works now, different things, the same with, we worked with scalps, missiles,和它如何工作, 不同的东西, 同样的,我们工作的头皮,导弹,
205we are thankful and the same with other kind of weapons and security, also including我们同样感谢其他类型的武器和安全,包括:
206with the cyber experience which we have, nobody had cyber attacks, so not only just weapon as a我们的网络经验显示 没有人受到网络攻击 所以不仅仅是武器
207weapon, yeah, so I think to my mind that it's win-win for us, it's, I mean we don't have武器,是的,所以我想,这对我们来说是双赢的, 我的意思是,我们没有
208really win because they get the security and they have experience, this experience, I mean真正的胜利,因为他们得到了安全 他们有经验,这个经验,我的意思是
209you can't test it in reality, you can't test it in this weapon, all the tanks, all, can you imagine,你无法在现实中测试, 你无法测试它在这个武器, 所有的坦克,所有,你能想象,
210all Europe, of course, and it was right before this war, spent billions for tanks,整个欧洲,当然, 而且就在这场战争之前, 花费了数十亿用于坦克,
211for armed vehicles, for a lot of munitions and a lot of things which are not useful对于武装车辆, 对于很多的弹药 和很多不有用的东西
212after these last two years, so our experience gives the experience of this war to the countries过去两年之后,我们的经验 将这场战争的经验给了各国
213which will not spend billions for the tanks and etc, they have to spend money for other things它们不会花数十亿 用于坦克等等, 他们不得不花钱 其他的东西
214without us, I mean this, it's cheaper, it's really, I mean this clever people, they said look, you没有我们,我的意思是,它更便宜, 它真的,我的意思是,这些聪明的人, 他们说,看,你
215saved billions for us, for our budget, just really billions, this is what we do, and we exchange为我们节省了数十亿美元, 为我们的预算,只是数十亿美元, 这是我们所做的,我们交换
216technologies with different types of Iranians, Iranians have missiles and drones for thousand伊朗人拥有导弹和无人驾驶飞机
217kilometers plus, who in Europe has massive possibilities of massive attack or defend在欧洲,他们有大规模攻击或防御的可能
218thousand of drones which are four thousand kilometers plus distance, nobody, how you can1000架无人机,四千公里外,无人,你怎么能
219get this information, you can't, we share it, we share this.得到这个信息,你不能,我们分享,我们分享这个。
220Just two or three days ago President两三天前,总统
221Trump effectively gave President Putin relief from sanctions in return for diesel oil,特朗普有效地让普京总统免于制裁以换取柴油,
222what's your understanding of the nature of the relationship between President Trump and你对特朗普总统和
223President Putin?普京总统?
224I think President Trump's such man that he speaks about it, I mean我认为川普总统是这么一个人 他谈论它,我的意思是
225openly and loudly that he loves such people and he respects such people because for him, I don't公开而大声地说他爱这样的人 他尊重这样的人 因为对于他,我不
226know, people who can be leaders 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, it's been that very strong20年、30年、40年 都这么强壮
227because you can, I mean, hold the power, so I think, it seems to me, I don't know, but因为你可以,我的意思是,握住权力, 所以我想,在我看来,我不知道,但
228money, very rich, this is the richest man, this is the first rich man, Putin, the second, Musk,钱,非常富有,这是最富有的人, 这是第一个富有的人,普京,第二个穆斯克,
229I think that, no, it's not, I'm not comparing them, I think they're in, how to say it,我认为,不,这不是, 我没有比较他们, 我认为他们是英寸
230in one restaurant, not street food.在一个餐厅,不是街上的食物。
231To what extent also is business affected, do you think?你觉得生意也受到多大程度的影响?
232Business is interesting between the United States and Russia, I think that they want to have美国和俄罗斯之间的生意很有趣 我想他们想要
233energy projects and I think that a lot and that of course for them is difficult to have when there能源项目,我认为很多 当然,对于他们来说,很难有 当那里
234is a war in Europe, I mean this politically is not simple because everybody will want to ask这是一场欧洲战争,我的意思是,这在政治上并不容易 因为每个人都想问
235how it can be, how it can be when some people are surviving, fighting, dying and you make some当一些人存活下来,战斗,死亡,你制造一些
236business with the guys with such aggression, yeah, so a lot of risks, a lot of political challenges.和那些有这种侵略性的人做生意 对 风险很大 政治挑战很多
237This is not the first time you've faced this very intense pressure from the Trump administration,这不是你第一次面对 川普政府的强烈压力
238but in the past it's the Europeans who've helped build bridges again with America,但过去是欧洲人 帮助与美国再建桥梁
239usually by persuading you to change your tone with the Trump administration,通常通过说服你改变你与川普政府的语气,
240are they putting pressure on you again to do the same thing?他们又对你施压 让你做同样的事情吗?
241No, really no, I feel support, it's not about me, if it's about some personal things that's不,真的不,我觉得支持, 它不关我的事, 如果它是关于一些个人的事情,
242like Ukrainians are the leader or let's make elections, I'm okay with this, so for me it's像乌克兰人是领袖,或者让我们进行选举, 我同意这一点,所以对我来说它是
243rhetoric, no personally I think that it's a mistake to speak about this because it's not supported me夸夸其谈,我个人不认为说这个是错误的,因为它不支持我
244and for what I don't know, but it doesn't matter, doesn't matter and Americans will not like such对于我不知道的,但没关系, 没关系,美国人不会喜欢这样
245rhetoric, I think so, so it's not helpful for president also, so it's not, I mean this is not,我想是的 所以对总统也无济于事 所以不是 我是说不是
246but I'm not holding this cheer that I am the president, I will be the president for 30 years,但我不会为我当总统而欢呼 我将成为30年的总统
247no, oh no, never, yeah, that's why I don't, I mean this is rhetoric, it's something personal,不,哦,不,从来没有,是的, 这就是为什么我不,我的意思是,这是夸夸其谈, 这是私人的东西,
248for me it doesn't matter, matters that Putin feels no pressure, matters when he feels no pressure,对我而言 这不重要 普京没有压力 也没有压力
249he attacks, because he, you know, how did in English he tremendous,他攻击,因为他,你知道, 如何在英语他巨大的,
250yeah, oh you got the tremendous kick out of it, yeah, it's, he likes this,是啊,哦,你得到了巨大的踢出它, 是的,这是,他喜欢这个,
251we, the situation, the dividing between Europe and United States or Ukraine and United States,我们,局势,欧洲和美国或乌克兰和美国之间的分裂,
252it helps him to unite his nation, it helps him to feel success, it helps him to increase帮助他团结国家 帮助他感到成功 帮助他提高
253people during his elections, not the votes, I mean this, not that they support him, no,他选举期间的人,不是选票, 我的意思是,不是他们支持他,不,
254he will calculate by himself, but people will come, a lot of people are coming, so it helps him,他将自己计算, 但人们会来, 很多人会来,
255you know, to feel this, that he's not losing, that he's prevailing, he's not prevailing,你知道,感受这一点, 他没有输, 他的流行, 他没有流行,
256I mean this is, I mean this, in this war, in technological war, one month he, second month we,我的意思是,我是说,在这场战争中, 在技术战争中,一个月他,第二个月我们,
257so this is, that's why we need to stop this war, to end this war, because now it's a pity that in因此,这就是为什么我们需要停止这场战争, 结束这场战争, 因为现在这是一个遗憾,在
258this technological war, United States, I mean this helped him, I mean not because they want or not,这场技术战争,美国,我的意思是 这帮助了他,我的意思不是因为他们想要或不想要,
259I don't know, as we spoke about, Starlink, but in situation is this, and we always had我不知道,就像我们谈到的,星灵, 但情况是这样,我们一直有
260some technological, you know, steps further, quicker, and etc., and these steps from the一些技术,你知道,步骤 进一步,更快,等等, 这些步骤从
261United States been dangerous for us, intelligence, Starlink, it's dangerous, when it comes together,美国对我们来说是危险的, 情报,星际关系,这是危险的, 当它合起来,
262it's dangerous, of course we will find a way out, but better to stop Putin,这很危险,我们当然会找到出路, 但最好阻止普京,
263not to give him the new life, or the new will to fight.不要给他新的生活, 或新的战斗意志。
264My last short question,我最后一个简短的问题,
265you've had a crisis in relations with the Trump administration before, last February, it was in去年2月你和特朗普政府发生关系危机
266last year, and what have you learnt about dealing with Donald Trump, and how to deal with him?去年 你对唐纳德·特朗普的处理 和如何对付他学到了什么?
267How to deal, it's, I think that we had good communication, we had several meetings,如何处理,这是, 我认为我们有良好的沟通, 我们有过几次会议,
268we've been positive, we tried to make some plans how to end the war, maybe not everything is ideal我们一直很积极,我们试图制定一些计划 如何结束战争,也许不是一切都是理想的
269there, yes, war in this, but it's dialogue.战争就是对话
270Putin is an enemy for us, and he is a real evil of today,普京是我们的敌人,他是今天的真正邪恶
271of today, I mean absolutely.今天,我的意思是绝对的。
272How Trump can befriend with him?特朗普怎么能和他成为朋友?
273I think that it's a mistake,我认为这是一个错误,
274it's his choice, again and again, so we are fighting for freedom, and for our rights to choose what we这是他的选择,一次又一次, 所以我们在为自由而战, 我们的权利选择我们
275want, the way of life, so it's the choice of President Trump, so we don't want to be involved想要,生活方式, 所以这是特朗普总统的选择, 所以我们不想参与
276on some things, the diesel deal, I don't want to be involved, if he attacks us, we will respond,有些事情,柴油交易, 我不想参与, 如果他攻击我们,我们会回应,
277it's our rule, don't involve us to some diesel deals.这是我们的规矩 别让我们卷入一些柴油交易
278If you ask us to help with the situation,如果你要求我们帮忙
279of course, like the partners, we will help, but we're asking you, so energies is fire,当然,像合伙人一样,我们会帮助, 但我们在问你,所以能量就是火,
280if not energies is fire, it doesn't depend on you, okay, the question, can you give me missiles for如果不是能量就是火, 它不取决于你, 好吧,问题,你能给我导弹吗?
281Patriot, because when I will not attack them, because you asked me not to attack them,爱国者,因为当我不会攻击他们, 因为你让我不要攻击他们,
282they will attack me, it's fair if you will give me with what to defend, it's the minimum what I ask,他们会攻击我,如果你给我什么来辩护, 这是公平的,这是最起码的我要求,
283no, I think yes, and when I'm asking this, your answer is blocking Sterling,不,我想是的,当我问这个, 你的答案是阻止斯特林,
284so how to deal with this, to speak more, to explain more, and to hold position, our position,因此,如何处理这一点, 说更多, 解释更多, 并坚持立场,我们的立场,
285the position of Ukraine, of our people, that's what I do.乌克兰的立场,我们人民的立场, 这就是我要做的。
286Mr. President, thank you very much.主席先生,非常感谢你。
287Thank you.谢谢
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