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为什么蓝色浪潮冲不破佛罗里达?德桑蒂斯揭秘:150万选民压倒

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0:00One state in these United States where last night's blue wave did not flip a Senate seat美国有一个州 昨晚的蓝波没有翻过参议院席位
0:05or a governor's mansion is the Sunshine State of Florida.或者州长的豪宅是佛罗里达州的阳光州
0:09Voters in Florida gave both of those races to Republicans, re-electing Senator Ashley佛罗里达州选民将这两个种族都给了共和党人,重新选举参议员阿什利.
0:14Moody and electing Byron Donalds as governor.穆迪和选举拜伦·唐纳德斯为州长.
0:18In fact, the first black governor of that state ever.事实上,是那个州的第一个黑人州长
0:22Joining us now to discuss the state's current Republican governor, Ron DeSantis.现在加入我们讨论该州的现任共和党州长罗恩·德桑蒂斯.
0:27Governor DeSantis, thanks so much for joining us.德桑提斯州长 非常感谢你加入我们
0:29So you called last night's sweeping losses across the country, quote, close to an extinction所以,你称昨晚的损失 遍及全国,引用,接近灭绝
0:36level event for Republicans.共和党的级别活动。
0:37What do you think went so wrong for the GOP?你觉得GOP有什么问题?
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1One state in these United States where last night's blue wave did not flip a Senate seat美国有一个州 昨晚的蓝波没有翻过参议院席位
2or a governor's mansion is the Sunshine State of Florida.或者州长的豪宅是佛罗里达州的阳光州
3Voters in Florida gave both of those races to Republicans, re-electing Senator Ashley佛罗里达州选民将这两个种族都给了共和党人,重新选举参议员阿什利.
4Moody and electing Byron Donalds as governor.穆迪和选举拜伦·唐纳德斯为州长.
5In fact, the first black governor of that state ever.事实上,是那个州的第一个黑人州长
6Joining us now to discuss the state's current Republican governor, Ron DeSantis.现在加入我们讨论该州的现任共和党州长罗恩·德桑蒂斯.
7Governor DeSantis, thanks so much for joining us.德桑提斯州长 非常感谢你加入我们
8So you called last night's sweeping losses across the country, quote, close to an extinction所以,你称昨晚的损失 遍及全国,引用,接近灭绝
9level event for Republicans.共和党的级别活动。
10What do you think went so wrong for the GOP?你觉得GOP有什么问题?
11Well, one, Jake, just you mentioned Florida, and I just want to say we were not immune好吧,一个,杰克,只是你提到佛罗里达州, 我只想说,我们没有免疫
12to this wave.对这波。
13I mean, we had to contend with it.我的意思是,我们不得不与之抗争。
14We saw it building.我们看到它正在建设。
15I brought candidates in at the beginning of the fall, I told them the line of scrimmage秋天开始时,我带了候选人进来, 我告诉他们, 线斜线
16is 10 points in their direction from where it was two years ago.这是他们方向的10点 从两年前。
17You better prepare.你最好准备好
18Trump won your district by 12.特朗普以12分赢得了你的地区.
19You're in a two point race.你在两点比赛。
20You're not in a 12 point race.你不是在12点比赛。
21And so we saw that coming and we did lose about 10 points.因此,我们看到了这一点,我们确实损失了大约10分。
22But, you know, you look at Texas, they were 20 points off Trump's margin.但是,你知道,你看德克萨斯州, 他们比特朗普差20点。
23The governor of Texas lost by 7 percent.德州州长输了7%
24Trump had won by 13.特朗普13岁就赢了
25So that was a 20 point swing.所以那是20点的摇摆。
26If we had a 20 point swing in Florida, you would have seen all those offices go down.如果我们在佛罗里达有20点的摇摆 你会看到那些办公室都倒塌了
27So I think part of what we did was just we built up a lot of trust with our voters over所以,我认为我们所做的一部分 只是我们建立了很多 信任我们的选民
28the years.这些年
29We have a reliable Republican voting base who, quite frankly, was not as enthused about我们有一个可靠的共和党投票基础, 坦率地说, 他没有被吸引
30voting this year as they were two years ago or four years ago.今年的投票方式是两年前或四年前。
31We had an important property tax amendment on the ballot and we were able to turn out投票时我们做了个重要的财产税修正案 我们终于找到了
32enough voters to be able to get these guys across the finish line.有足够的选民 能够让这些人越过终点线
33But listen, this was across the country, voters coming out, obviously on the Democrat side,但是,听着,这是全国, 选民出来,显然在民主党方面,
34independents and even some crossover Republicans to express their displeasure about what's独立人士,甚至一些十字路口的共和党人 来表达他们对什么的不满
35going on in Washington at both sides of Pennsylvania Avenue.在华盛顿的宾夕法尼亚大道两侧
36But you also had Republican voters who stayed home because I think they were disappointed但你也有共和党选民 留在家里 因为我觉得他们很失望
37in the productivity of these members of Congress who were really didn't have much to run on.这些议员的生产力, 他们真的没有太多可以运行。
38I mean, I'm watching these TV commercials and they're running transgender ads.我的意思是,我在看这些电视广告 他们运行变性人广告。
39And I'm thinking to myself, we did all that stuff years ago in Florida.我在想,我们几年前在佛罗里达做了这些事。
40You're running that.你负责这个
41What are you actually going to accomplish for us?你到底要为我们做什么?
42And so I just think that our candidates were on their heels.所以我认为我们的候选人在他们的脚跟上。
43And one of the things that I saw in Florida that the Democrats were doing against our我在佛罗里达州看到的 民主党反对我们
44candidates to some effect because they were able to hold some of the seats people thought因为他们能拥有人们认为的一些席位
45may flip, we didn't lose any Congress seats, but people thought Republicans would pick但人们以为共和党人会选择
46up a few.上一点
47You know, they were really hitting the issue of corruption and hitting it very hard.你知道,他们真的打击 腐败问题 和它非常重。
48I'm watching an ad on the World Series and I see them talking about one of our people我在看世界大赛的广告 我看到他们谈论我们的人之一
49voting against releasing the Epstein files.投票反对公布爱泼斯坦档案.
50And I'm like, well, why would you not vote for that?我很喜欢,嗯,你为什么不投票?
51We ran on that in 2024 talking about the stock trading, talking about some of the other things我们在2024年谈股票交易 谈其他事情
52where people are making money in the swamp now.人们在沼泽中赚钱
53That was a big part of this election.这是这次选举的一大部分。
54Yeah.对
55Vice President, J.D.副总裁,J.D.
56Vance said this morning, quote, the reason we lost is the war unquote.万斯今早说 引证一下 我们输的原因就是战争
57Do you agree that that's one of the reasons your party lost?你同意这是你党失败的原因之一吗?
58One of the reasons for sure, but specifically the fact that it's dragged on.肯定的原因之一, 但具体地说,它是拖着的。
59It's kind of an open-ended conflict.这是一种开放式的冲突。
60You know, we had been, as Republicans, very concerned.你知道,我们一直, 作为共和党人, 非常担心。
61I served in Iraq.我在伊拉克服役过
62I mean, you and I have talked about this.我是说,你和我谈过了
63It was kind of an open-ended conflict.这是一种没有限制的冲突。
64It was very unpopular.它非常不受欢迎。
65We were trying to do social engineering.我们试图做社会工程。
66And so kind of the Republican mantra since Trump came on the scene was, you know, we自从特朗普上场以来 共和党的口号就是
67don't want to get in these open-ended conflicts.不想卷入这些无限制的冲突
68And that's what this has become, a little bit different than Iraq for sure.这就是现在的情况, 和伊拉克有一点不同。
69But I think this one was important because that had a direct effect on people's pocketbooks.但我认为这个很重要,因为这直接影响到人们的袖珍书。
70Every time they went to the gas pump, they saw the gas higher.每当他们去加油泵, 他们看到气体更高。
71And I've criticized some of our Republican congressmen and Senate candidates running我批评了一些共和党议员和参议院候选人竞选
72around the country trying to blame the high gas prices on Biden.整个国家都在试图把高昂的天然气价格归咎于拜登。
73Gas was $3 a gallon a year and a half ago, and now it's four.一年半前的汽油是每加仑3美元,现在是4美元。
74And it's four because of the Iraq war.而为四因伊拉克战争.
75So when you gaslight people, they don't trust you on anything else.所以当你们点燃汽油时 他们就不相信你们
76So that was definitely one issue, but it's also the broader inflation.所以,这绝对是一个问题, 但它也是更广泛的通货膨胀。
77You know, when our candidates say, oh, inflation is only 3.7 percent, it was higher, you know,你知道,当我们的候选人说, 哦,通货膨胀只有3.7%, 它更高,你知道,
78four years ago.4年前,我刚说
79Yes, the rate is lower, but this is a cumulative effect that you're having on prices.是的,利率较低,但这是你对价格的累积影响。
80So you don't get the old prices back.故不复取旧价.
81That's 3.7 percent on top of everything else consumers have had to endure.在消费者必须忍受的一切之外,还有3.7%。
82So when they go to the grocery store, they're reminded of that and their wages are not keeping所以当他们去杂货店时, 他们被提醒了这一点, 他们的工资没有保持
83up with the cost of living.加上生活费用
84So yes, Iran was part of it, but specifically how that related to the cost of living for因此,是的,伊朗是其中的一部分,但具体地说,这与生活费用的关系如何?
85everyday Americans.每天美国人。
86Do you think that the Republican Party needs to move away from Trumpism, the MAGA movement,你认为共和党需要远离特朗普主义,MAGA运动,
87into a new era for the GOP?进入GOP的新时代?
88Well, I think President Trump is a unique figure in American political history because我认为特朗普总统是美国政治史上独一无二的人物,因为
89he had a unique brand.他有一个独特的品牌。
90He has a persona that has attracted a lot of support across really the political spectrum.他的性格在政治界吸引了很多人的支持。
91I mean, there are people who consider themselves Trump Republicans who aren't on the same page有些人认为自己是特朗普的共和党人 他们不在同一页
92as other Trump Republicans.和其他特朗普共和党人一样
93They see in him, you know, different things.他们从他身上看到不同的东西
94I think the reality is, is there's nobody in our party, you know, that has that outsized我认为现实是,我们党里没有人, 你知道,那已经超出了规模
95persona and brand.个性与品牌。
96And so how do you then go going forward?那么,你如何继续前进呢?
97I think it's got to be ideas based.我认为它必须是基于想法的。
98I think it's got to be, you know, based on what are we trying to accomplish?我认为它必须是,你知道,基于 我们试图实现什么?
99What do we stand for?我们代表什么?
100That's what we've done in Florida.这就是我们在佛罗里达所做的。
101You know, we set out a bunch of things to do.你知道,我们提出 一堆事情要做。
102We were very aggressive at accomplishing them.我们非常积极地完成这些任务。
103We delivered results for people.我们为人民带来了成果。
104So I think we're going to move into an ideas based future because I don't think there's所以,我认为我们将进入一个基于想法的未来,因为我认为没有
105anybody that would be able to take up all the oxygen in the room the way the president任何能像总统那样 拿走房间里所有氧气的人
106can.能够。
107Are you considering running for president in 2028 to be part of that ideas debate?你是否考虑在2028年竞选总统 成为思想辩论的一部分?
108So oftentimes here, oh, he's obviously planning this.所以经常在这里, 哦,他显然在计划这个。
109You know, I haven't planned anything.你知道,我没有计划什么。
110I have a job to do.我还有工作要做。
111The midterms was an important marker because you need to see what the political environment中期报告很重要 因为你需要看看政治环境
112is going to do.将会做。
113I got some more things I got to do and I'll be a free man come January 5th.我还有事情要做 我将成为一个自由人 1月5日来。
114Not that I'm counting down to that.我不是在数到这个
115And then we'll look to see the landscape.然后看风景.
116I mean, I think there's two things that last night would be something people should consider.我的意思是,我认为有两件事 昨晚是人们应该考虑的。
117One is the viability of the Republican brand nationally in 2028.一是2028年全国共和党品牌的可行性.
118The reality is, last night, if we ran George Washington, if he had an R by his name, he事实是,昨晚,如果我们运行乔治华盛顿, 如果他有一个R他的名字,他
119would have lost.会输的
120And so what's going to change the political trajectory between now and 2028?那么,从现在到2028年,政治轨迹将发生什么变化?
121If we're not competitive in a state like Texas, you know, we obviously aren't going to be如果我们在德克萨斯州没有竞争对手 我们显然不会
122competitive nationally.国家竞争力。
123The other thing I think is, you know, somebody that wants to run, why are you running?还有一件事我想,你知道, 一个想跑的人, 你为什么跑?
124Do you have something you want to accomplish?你有什么要做的事吗?
125I'm more about doing it, anything I do to accomplish things, not to be somebody.我更喜欢做,做任何事情来完成事情, 而不是做一个人。
126The reality is, the Democrats won such a big majority in the House and Senate that a Republican现实是,民主党在众议院和参议院赢得了如此大多数,以至于共和党人
127president, if they could even get elected in 28, would almost assuredly have a Democrat总统,如果他们能在28年当选, 几乎肯定有一个民主党
128House and Senate on some level.众议院和参议院在某种程度上。
129That has huge impact on your ability to staff an administration, to get judges on courts这对你为行政部门配备工作人员、让法官出庭的能力产生了巨大影响
130of appeals and potentially the U.S. Supreme Court.上诉和潜在的美国最高法院。
131So the dust is settling, you know, I'm going to look at that.所以尘埃正在凝结, 你知道,我要看看。
132And like I said, I haven't planned anything because I just think that this is a very uncertain就像我说的,我什么都没计划,因为我觉得这很不确定
133time.时间。
134But last night was should be a wake up call for our party.但昨晚应该是我们党的警钟
135We really got blasted into oblivion and Florida is kind of the last one standing because Texas我们真的被遗忘了 佛罗里达是最后一个站着的 因为德克萨斯州
136had been our other big anchor, Florida and Texas, certainly for the last 20, 25 years.佛罗里达州和德克萨斯州 过去20、25年来 一直是我们另一个大主播
137And now we are really the last one.现在我们是最后一个了。
138That's not enough to win a national election.这不足以赢得全国大选.
139Florida Governor Ron DeSantis had sounded the alarm about the GOP's possible future.佛罗里达州长罗恩·德桑蒂斯(英语:Ron DeSantis)曾对GOP可能的未来发出警报.
140He said, OK, I said no one predicted it.他说,好吧,我说 没有人预言。
141I guess I'm slightly corrected.我想我有点更正了
142Ron DeSantis said Dems will get 55 Senate seats and 250 House seats.罗恩·德桑蒂斯表示,德姆斯将获得55个参议院席位和250个众议院席位.
143I mean, what did he see Mississippi?他看见密西西比州了?
144Looking at the Senate map and considering such a massive House margin, it's unlikely看看参议院的地图 考虑如此庞大的众议院空间 不太可能
145Republicans will recapture Congress in 2028, might not have a shot at Senate control until共和党人将在2028年夺回国会, 可能不会有机会控制参议院,直到
1462032.2032 (英语).
147So some brutal honesty from from the governor of Florida this morning.今天早上佛罗里达州长的 残忍的诚实
148We mostly got wiped out across the map.我们大部分在地图上被消灭了
149We barely held on in Florida.我们几乎在佛罗里达州坚持。
150You know, you know, we're talking about these other states in the south.你知道,你知道,我们正在谈论 这些其他州 在南方。
151Look, in Florida, we won the Senate race and the governor's race, but we underperformed听着 在佛罗里达州 我们赢得了参议院的比赛 和州长的比赛 但是我们表现不佳
152by 10 or 11 points.10或11点。
153We lost independence 70 to 30 in Florida, too.我们在佛罗里达州也失去了独立70到30人.
154Well, you were pointing out in Florida, Republicans and I've seen these numbers over months over你在佛罗里达州发现 共和党人 我几个月来见过这些数字
155these past couple of years.这些年来。
156You had registered more Republicans, in fact, like a 12-point advantage, and then you barely你登记了更多的共和党人, 事实上,像一个12点的优势, 然后你几乎没有
157win either of those by what, a point or two?赢得其中任何一个 以什么,一两点?
158We have a 12-point voter registration advantage.我们有12点的选民登记优势。
159We won the race by 1.4 points.我们以1.4分赢得了比赛.
160Byron Donalds spent almost 180 million dollars.拜伦·唐纳德斯花了近1.8亿美元.
161David Jolley spent 28 million dollars and lost by 1.4 points.大卫·乔莱花费了2800万美元,输了1.4分.
162Angie Nixon ran a fabulous campaign on peanuts.安琪·尼克松对花生进行了一场精彩的竞选.
163I think when you look at when the dust settles, I think she might have got the most votes我想当你看着尘埃落定时 她可能会得到最多的选票
164for the most votes for the least amount of money spent across the entire map in Florida.在佛罗里达州整个地图上花费的最少的钱
165She really overperformed.她真的表现过度了
166And I think what this is going to mean is like in Texas, where the Democrats turned我想这意味着什么 在德克萨斯州, 民主党转身
167it blue, the Democrats are going to see what happened in Florida and see it as being worthwhile蓝色的 民主党人会看到佛罗里达州发生的事情 认为这是值得的
168investing to try to flip it in 28 or try to flip it in 30.投资尝试28年翻转或30年翻转.
169So I think Republicans, we've got to really do a lot of soul-searching, we've got to所以,我认为共和党人, 我们必须做很多 灵魂搜索,我们必须
170have better messaging, we've got to listen to people more, maybe channel a little bit有更好的信息,我们得 听更多的人,也许频道一点点
171more Ron DeSantis and a little bit less Donald Trump to have a shot.更多是罗恩·德桑蒂斯 少一点唐纳德·特朗普的镜头
172Or a lot less Donald Trump, as voters may have said.或少得多的唐纳德·特朗普, 选民可能说过。
173But you know, people watching around the world, right, it is an amazing moment in American但是,你知道,人们看 世界各地,正确的, 这是一个惊人的时刻 在美国
174politics and I think one where the entire world is watching to say, well, what is America?政治,我想是全世界都在看的 美国是什么?
175What is America?美国是什么?
176Well, America gave an answer to that last night.美国昨晚给出了答案
177You see the balance there right now.你现在看到平衡了
17864 seats remaining, but right now the Democrats have picked up 28 seats.剩下的64个席位,但现在民主党已经获得了28个席位。
179There are 232 compared to the Republicans, 139.与共和党相比共有232个,139个.
180Truly a dramatic, dramatic win for the Democrats.对民主党来说,这是一场戏剧性的、戏剧性的胜利。
181Remember, 218 is the majority.记住,218是多数。
182You need 218 seats to be the majority in the House and the Democrats already have 232 and众议院需要218个席位 民主党已经有232个
183potentially there are more pickups awaiting.可能会有更多的皮卡等待。
184A Democrat success comes despite Republicans redistricting efforts and that includes three尽管共和党重新划区,包括3个选区,民主党还是取得了成功。
185seats in Florida where the Democrats fended off those Republican redistricting challenges在佛罗里达州的席位 民主党取消了那些共和党 重新分区的挑战
186and they were intense.他们是激烈的。
187One of those winners is Democratic Congresswoman Kathy Castor in Florida's 14th Congressional其中一位获奖者是佛罗里达州第14届国会 民主党国会议员凯西·卡斯托
188District and she joins us right now.区和她现在加入我们。
189Congresswoman Castor, first of all, congratulations on your win.众议员卡斯托,首先祝贺你的胜利.
190Tell us what it tells you that the Democrats were able to defy the Republicans' very intense告诉我们它是什么告诉你,民主党 能够藐视共和党非常激烈
191efforts to redistrict those districts in order to try to get a better stance for the Republicans.努力重新划分这些地区,以努力为共和党找到更好的立场。
192Well, the American people sent a very strong message, including here in Florida, that they美国人民发出了一个非常强烈的信息,包括在佛罗里达,他们
193want relief from the high cost of living and they spent $25 million in my gerrymandered想要从高额生活费用中解脱出来 他们花了2500万美元在我的宝石上
194district to try to defeat me, but a lot of hard work and a focus on that high cost of试图打败我, 但很多艰苦的工作 和专注于高成本
195living really helped carry the day here.住在这里真的帮了忙
196I'm grateful to my neighbors for the faith they have in me and that means we have to感谢邻居们对我的信任 这意味着我们必须
197work in a bipartisan way.以两党的方式工作。
198This is a Trump plus 10 district that they drew in gerrymandering, but people, there这是特朗普加10个小区 他们画的宝石,但人们,在那里
199was a real backlash to that.这是真正的反弹。
200There was people, when I was talking with folks in new parts of Tampa Hillsboro County有人,当我和坦帕山伯勒县新区的人谈话时
201that I haven't represented before, they said, you know, we need relief.我之前没有代理过 他们说我们需要解脱
202What are you going to do?你打算怎么办?
203And it just seems like the GOP was not listening.似乎GOP没在听
204Instead of throwing people a lifeline, they threw them an anchor.他们不是扔人命脉 而是扔锚
205They took away the health care tax credits.他们拿走了医疗税抵免额。
206They imposed tariffs and higher costs when you went to the grocery store.当你去杂货店时 他们征收了关税和更高的成本
207They started a war without much debate and now they were paying at the pump.他们发动了一场战争,没有多少争论 现在他们正在支付泵。
208So that's my takeaway, that a singular focus on the high cost of living and people expect因此,这是我的外卖, 一个独特的关注 高生活成本和人们期望
209us to deliver.我们来提供。
210I noticed that, I was watching that race, a man you probably know, Congressman Moskowitz,我注意到,我在看那场比赛 一个你可能认识的人,莫斯科维茨议员
211Democrat of Florida, he represents the Boca Raton area over there in Florida.佛罗里达州的民主党人 他代表佛罗里达州的Boca Raton地区
212They tried to redistrict his district to throw in potentially more Republicans and he easily他们试图重新划分他的区 以投放更多的共和党人 他很容易
213won re-election.赢得连任。
214Were you surprised by that?你对此感到惊讶吗?
215I wasn't surprised because, again, here in Florida, the cost of living is so high.我并不感到惊讶,因为,在佛罗里达,生活费用如此之高。
216Florida's a little bit different because, yes, we have a high grocery cost and housing佛罗里达州有点不一样,因为,是的, 我们有一个高的杂货和住房成本
217costs like other parts, but we rely on the Affordable Care Act.成本像其他部分, 但我们依赖 负担得起的护理法案。
218So when they ripped away those tax credits to provide massive tax breaks to the wealthy所以当他们撕开这些税收抵免 给富人提供大量的税收减免
219and the well-connected, people blanched at that.和那些关系密切的人,
220Also, we are high in military, I represent a military town, MacDill Air Force Base, Central而且,我们军事水平很高, 我代表一个军事城镇,麦克迪尔空军基地,中央
221Command Special Operations Command, and when I talk to military families, the economic特种作战司令部, 当我与军队家属交谈时,经济
222uncertainty wasn't just at the gas pump, it's in their everyday lives as they had spouses不确定不仅仅是在加油站, 是在他们的日常生活中,因为他们有配偶
223deployed and very high tempo and just how long is this going to go on?部署和非常高节奏 还要持续多久?
224What is the strategy?战略是什么?
225What is the end game that was wearing on people as well?到底什么是游戏 穿在人们?
226During the campaign, Congresswoman, you highlighted that you have broken with your own Democratic竞选期间,议员女士,你强调 你已经打破了自己的民主党
227Party on at least some issues.至少就一些问题开派对
228What topics do you expect to break with your party once you're sworn in?宣誓就职后,你期望与你的党决裂什么话题?
229Well, I hope we can unify around ethics reform.我希望我们能团结在道德改革上
230We need to ban congressional stock trading.我们要禁止国会的股票交易
231I did cross the aisle to support a Republican bill, but I hope we can strengthen the congressional我确实穿过过道支持共和党的法案 但我希望我们能加强国会
232stock trading ban and extend it to the executive branch.股票交易禁令并扩大到行政部门。
233There are ethics laws in place right now, but obviously, we need to strengthen them现在有道德法律,但显然我们需要加强
234because people are fed up with the corruption.因为人们厌倦了腐败
235They see politicians and folks in the administration, the president himself, enriching himself at他们看到政治家和民众在政府, 总统本人,丰富自己在
236a time when they're being asked to pay more at the grocery store and the gas pump and当他们被要求支付更多 在杂货店和加油泵,
237for healthcare, and it just became too much, and that's why I think a lot of people crossed医疗,它只是变得太多, 这就是为什么我认为很多人交叉
238the aisle.过道。
239They didn't buy into the gerrymandering.他们没买进果汁店
240I think that felt like part of a rig game as well, and in the end, people do not like我觉得这感觉就像钻机游戏的一部分 最后人们不喜欢
241cheaters.骗子
242They just want you to treat them fairly, to listen and to get things done.他们只是希望你公平对待他们, 倾听和解决问题。
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