攀爬高楼、悬挂飞机背后的真相！汤姆·克鲁斯：极致的专注，是对
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | You have literally ridden a motorcycle off the edge of a cliff | 你从悬崖边骑摩托车 |
| 0:02 | and then deployed a parachute. | 并部署了降落伞。 |
| 0:04 | You've hung off the side of multiple different styles of airplane. | 你已经挂出 多种不同风格的飞机。 |
| 0:09 | My question to you is, do you fear death? | 我问你 你怕死吗? |
| 0:25 | You gave me one good tip, which was look at the right eye. | 你给了我一个好提示,这是看右眼。 |
| 0:29 | Yes, this eye. | 是的,这个眼睛。 |
| 0:31 | This eye right there. | 这只眼睛就在那里。 |
| 0:32 | Anything else I need to know before we start? | 临Τぐ或и临璶笵盾 |
| 0:34 | No, no, you're good, you're good. | 不,不,你很好,你是个好人。 |
| 0:36 | From our most decorated screen actor alive. | 从我们最装饰的屏幕演员活着。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | You have literally ridden a motorcycle off the edge of a cliff | 你从悬崖边骑摩托车 |
| 2 | and then deployed a parachute. | 并部署了降落伞。 |
| 3 | You've hung off the side of multiple different styles of airplane. | 你已经挂出 多种不同风格的飞机。 |
| 4 | My question to you is, do you fear death? | 我问你 你怕死吗? |
| 5 | You gave me one good tip, which was look at the right eye. | 你给了我一个好提示,这是看右眼。 |
| 6 | Yes, this eye. | 是的,这个眼睛。 |
| 7 | This eye right there. | 这只眼睛就在那里。 |
| 8 | Anything else I need to know before we start? | 临Τぐ或и临璶笵盾 |
| 9 | No, no, you're good, you're good. | 不,不,你很好,你是个好人。 |
| 10 | From our most decorated screen actor alive. | 从我们最装饰的屏幕演员活着。 |
| 11 | You got to look at the eye line. | 你得看眼线。 |
| 12 | Which eye line do you want? | 你想要哪条眼线? |
| 13 | All right, which of my eyes will you be looking at? | 好吧,我的眼睛,你会看? |
| 14 | I'll be looking at your left one. | 我会看着你的左侧。 |
| 15 | Okay, all right, that's good to know. | 好吧,好吧,这是很好的知道。 |
| 16 | But both of them, I can see both of them. | 但他们两个我都能看到 |
| 17 | Don't focus so hard on that. | 别这么专注 |
| 18 | I want to start here. | 我想从这里开始。 |
| 19 | Digger is arguably the first non-action, | 挖掘者可以说是第一个不采取行动的人, |
| 20 | non-franchise film you've made in quite some time. | 你拍的电影是非特许的 |
| 21 | What took so long? | 怎么这么久? |
| 22 | This is a movie that I've wanted to make. | 这是一部我想拍的电影。 |
| 23 | I have tremendous admiration for Alejandro. | 我对亚历杭德罗非常钦佩 |
| 24 | 我很早就看过他的电影了 Morris Perros | |
| 25 | Pretty much before, I guess, anyone in town seen it, | 差不多以前,我猜, 任何人在城里看到它, |
| 26 | I understood what he did in terms of what he accomplished | 我理解他的所作所为 |
| 27 | with that storytelling and the immersion, | 说故事和浸泡, |
| 28 | the detail of his framing, the colors of the actors, | 他雕刻的细节 演员的颜色 |
| 29 | the performances, things that I knew, | 表演,我知道的事情, |
| 30 | the resources that he must have had to make that, | 他必须投入的资源 |
| 31 | and just the overall power of that communication. | 也只有沟通的整体力量 |
| 32 | Part of the reason I was asking the question, | 我问这个问题的部分原因 |
| 33 | I was thinking, is I was getting ready for this. | 我在想,我是在准备这个。 |
| 34 | There's a generation of audiences, a younger generation, | 有一代观众, 年轻一代, |
| 35 | that might only know you at this point as an action star. | 此时此刻你可能只知道自己是明星 |
| 36 | Which, surprisingly, that's not true. | 令人惊讶的是,这不是真的。 |
| 37 | It's very interesting where you look at audiences | 看着观众,这很有趣 |
| 38 | that are seasoned, when you look at cable, | 当你们看见缆绳的时候, |
| 39 | when you look at Netflix, and you go to a premiere, | 当你看着Netflix, 当你去首映, |
| 40 | there's three, four generations of people that are there, | 有三、四代人在那里, |
| 41 | in the same way that they know The Beatles, | 就像他们认识披头士一样 |
| 42 | where that whole generation, where they understand | 在那里,整个一代, 他们明白 |
| 43 | the level of music from the 40s, 50s, 60s. | 音乐的水平 从40,50,60。 |
| 44 | Those things we've discovered in terms | 我们发现的那些东西 |
| 45 | of how a library travels, globally. | 一个图书馆如何在全球旅行。 |
| 46 | So that's a thing that's, I know, it's fascinating. | 所以,这是一件事,我知道, 这是令人着迷的。 |
| 47 | Yeah, because I think there was a time | 是啊,因为我认为有一段时间 |
| 48 | when it seemed like the way you thought | 当它看起来像你的想法 |
| 49 | about your film career was seek out | 关于你的电影生涯 |
| 50 | the inner retus of your generation, right? | 你们这代人的内在记忆,对吧? |
| 51 | Steven Spielberg, Paul Thomas Anderson, | 史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格 保罗·托马斯·安德森 |
| 52 | Michael Mann, Stanley Kubrick, and work with them. | 迈克尔·曼 斯坦利·库布里克 和他们合作 |
| 53 | But it seemed like somehow you started thinking | 但似乎你开始想 |
| 54 | about your film career in a different way. | 关于你的电影生涯 用另一种方式。 |
| 55 | I've never have. | 我从来没有 |
| 56 | I've never thought of it. | 我从来没有想过它。 |
| 57 | It's always an evolution. | 总是演化. |
| 58 | And for me, it's been something where | 对我来说,它一直 在那里 |
| 59 | it's a constant challenge of one step to the next. | 这是一步一步的不断挑战 |
| 60 | And things that I've never talked about, | 我从未说过的事 |
| 61 | the things that I've done have been very deliberate, | 我所做的一切都很认真 |
| 62 | and why, and what I'm exploring. | 和为什么,和什么 我在探索。 |
| 63 | And it's not just the directors. | 不只是导演 |
| 64 | I know people go to the directors, yes, | 我知道人们去 导演,是的, |
| 65 | but there's many craftsmen making a movie, | 但有很多工匠在拍电影 |
| 66 | and many layers that create a film. | 和许多制作电影的层层。 |
| 67 | And I want to understand, how do you | 我想知道,你怎么样 |
| 68 | put these things together? | 把这些东西放在一起? |
| 69 | How do I use these tools to communicate | 我怎么用这些工具来沟通 |
| 70 | to a broader audience? | 对更多的观众? |
| 71 | And it's how we're playing with aesthetics. | 这就是我们如何玩美学。 |
| 72 | And we were talking earlier, you and I, | 我们之前谈过,你和我, |
| 73 | about stunts, and it's motion. | 关于特技,这是运动。 |
| 74 | Emotion is motion. | 情感就是运动 |
| 75 | And how do I understand what these tools are? | 我怎么知道这些工具是什么? |
| 76 | Those are the things that have always | 这些东西总是 |
| 77 | fascinated me, always interested me. | 令我着迷,总是对我感兴趣. |
| 78 | You mentioned... | 你说... |
| 79 | Less about talking about myself, believe me. | 少谈我自己 相信我 |
| 80 | I will. | 我会的。 |
| 81 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 82 | I have some bad news for you about that. | 我有些坏消息要告诉你 |
| 83 | You and I, I know, I know, I got it. | 你和我,我知道,我知道,我得到了它。 |
| 84 | I'm more interested in you than hearing myself talk, you know? | 我对你更感兴趣 比听到自己说话,你知道吗? |
| 85 | You mentioned stunts. | 你提到过特技 |
| 86 | Last year, I spent some time with Christopher McQuarrie, | 去年,我和克里斯托弗·麦克夸里在一起 |
| 87 | your Mission Impossible director, | 你的任务不可能是主任 |
| 88 | a long-time friend and collaborator. | 长期的朋友和同事 |
| 89 | And... | 还有... |
| 90 | He's awesome. | 他很厉害 |
| 91 | One of the things we just talked about | 我们刚刚谈的一件事 |
| 92 | was how dangerous this stuff you do is. | 你这样做有多危险 |
| 93 | And I could recite it. | 而能诵之. |
| 94 | You have literally ridden a motorcycle | 你骑了辆摩托车 |
| 95 | off the edge of a cliff and then deployed a parachute. | 离开悬崖边缘,然后部署降落伞。 |
| 96 | You've hung off the side of multiple | 你已经挂了多边 |
| 97 | different styles of airplane. | 不同风格的飞机。 |
| 98 | My question to you is, do you fear death? | 我问你 你怕死吗? |
| 99 | Look, I think you could look at my life and go, | 你看,我认为你可以 看着我的生活,走了, |
| 100 | I like standing on the edge of a cliff, | 我喜欢站在悬崖边上 |
| 101 | physically and metaphorically, | 身体和比喻上, |
| 102 | meaning I look at life as an adventure. | 意思是我把人生看成是冒险 |
| 103 | And I always have. | 我总是这样 |
| 104 | I want to understand people. | 我想了解别人 |
| 105 | I want to understand life and cultures. | 我想了解生活和文化。 |
| 106 | And if I wonder, what are those people, | 如果我想知道 这些人是什么人 |
| 107 | how do they feel? | 他们感觉如何? |
| 108 | Do they think the way I do? | 他们怎么看我的? |
| 109 | Do they laugh at the same thing? | 他们嘲笑同样的事情吗? |
| 110 | Am I, how do I connect with them? | 我该怎么和他们联系? |
| 111 | I asked if you fear death. | 我问你怕不怕死 |
| 112 | I mean, I do think that mortality has become, | 我的意思是,我确实认为 死亡率已经变成了, |
| 113 | particularly in the Mission films, | 特别是在特派团电影中, |
| 114 | I think audiences are actually watching to see, | 我认为观众正在看 |
| 115 | is this guy going to be okay? | 这家伙不会有事吧? |
| 116 | But here's the thing, you want to, | 但问题是,你想... |
| 117 | how do we use these tools to create | 我们如何使用这些工具来创建 |
| 118 | an emotional effect on an audience? | 对观众的感情影响? |
| 119 | And is it communicating what we want to communicate? | 它是在沟通我们想要沟通的东西吗? |
| 120 | So, do I fear death? | 我怕死吗? |
| 121 | No, I don't. | 不,我没有。 |
| 122 | Do I? | 是吗? |
| 123 | But I don't mind. | 但我不会介意的 |
| 124 | It's not like I'm not afraid. | 亦复如是无畏. |
| 125 | I don't mind the feeling. | 我不介意这种感觉。 |
| 126 | I like, I understand life has certainties and uncertainties. | 我喜欢,我知道生活 有确定性和不确定性。 |
| 127 | And in making movies and living life, | 在拍电影和生活时 |
| 128 | what interests me is like, | 我感兴趣的是什么, |
| 129 | let's move the uncertainties more into the certainties, | 让我们把不确定因素 移到确定, |
| 130 | but I want to create other uncertainties | 但我想创造其他的不确定性 |
| 131 | so that we're, you know, | 这样我们,你知道, |
| 132 | we're moving forward and it's part of the adventure of it. | 我们正在前进,这是冒险的一部分。 |
| 133 | Where do you think that urge comes from | 你觉得这种冲动来自哪里? |
| 134 | to like find the cliff? | 喜欢找到悬崖? |
| 135 | It's just who I am, you know, | 只是我是谁,你知道, |
| 136 | since my, I know, my whole life, | 自从我,我知道,我的整个生活, |
| 137 | that's just who I am, and I... | 这就是我是谁,我... |
| 138 | Do you have a theory about why? | 你有关于为什么的理论吗? |
| 139 | It's just who I am, that's my theory. | 只是我是谁,这是我的理论。 |
| 140 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 141 | It's like, the thing is is that I find people are people, | 事情是这样的 我发现人就是人 |
| 142 | you know, and each person is really quite amazing, | 你知道,每个人都 真的很惊人, |
| 143 | has their own story, their own journey, | 有自己的故事,自己的旅程, |
| 144 | things that they're creating, what they're interested in. | 他们创造的东西, 他们感兴趣的。 |
| 145 | Yeah, yeah, because it seems like, | 是啊,是啊,因为似乎, |
| 146 | I feel like there's people in your life | 我感觉你生命中有人 |
| 147 | that have stories about this too, | 还有关于这个的故事 |
| 148 | like, oh, he took me on an airplane, | 像,哦,他带我上飞机, |
| 149 | and it was very scary, or he took me on a helicopter, | 非常可怕,或者他带我乘直升机 |
| 150 | and he pretended that we were going down, | 他假装我们正要下去, |
| 151 | like, it seems like it's not just on screen, right? | 好像不只是在屏幕上,对吧? |
| 152 | He's pretending you're going down. | 他假装你下山了 |
| 153 | I think that's a Glenn Pal story, | 我觉得那是格伦·帕尔的故事 |
| 154 | I think he did say that happened. | 我想他确实说过 |
| 155 | Sorry, Glenn, if I have that wrong. | 对不起,格伦,如果我错了。 |
| 156 | So are you ever afraid on screen or off? | 所以,你曾经害怕 在屏幕上还是关闭? |
| 157 | I mean, it's like there's stuff where you want to feel that, | 我的意思是,这就像有的东西 你想感觉到, |
| 158 | you want to feel that uncertainty, you know? | 你想感受这种不确定性,你知道吗? |
| 159 | Fear is like things of the unknown, | 恐惧就像未知的东西, |
| 160 | but I haven't, I'm not afraid to feel afraid. | 但我没有 我不怕害怕 |
| 161 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 162 | I'm not afraid to feel afraid, | 我不怕害怕,我怕你这样 |
| 163 | and it's things that I, as I say, | 正如我所说, |
| 164 | it's like, and I approach things in a way where I'm, | 就像,我以我的方式对待事物, |
| 165 | I don't know, I don't know how to say it, | 我不知道,我不知道该怎么说 |
| 166 | it's like I'm not afraid to be afraid, | 就像我不怕害怕一样 |
| 167 | I'm not afraid to go, okay, I know this is a leap, | 我不怕走 我知道这是个跳跃 |
| 168 | and let's take the jump, let's go. | 我们跳下去,走吧 |
| 169 | Or are you afraid of death? | 还是怕死? |
| 170 | Are you afraid to be afraid, or you? | 你是害怕还是害怕? |
| 171 | Do I fear death? | 我怕死吗? |
| 172 | I think so, yeah. | 我想是这样,是的。 |
| 173 | I certainly, riding a motorcycle off a cliff, | 当然,骑着摩托车离开悬崖 |
| 174 | I would be afraid. | 我会害怕。 |
| 175 | Look, I know it's not for everybody. | 我知道这不是给每个人的 |
| 176 | I don't think it is. | 我不这么认为。 |
| 177 | I think, I don't think it is. | 我想,我不认为它是。 |
| 178 | Look, this is a version of a cliff, right? | 你看,这是一个版本的悬崖,对不对? |
| 179 | Like talking to someone, going to unknown territory, | 就像和某人交谈,去未知的地方, |
| 180 | I think I do like the adrenaline hit of that, | 我觉得我喜欢肾上腺素的刺激 |
| 181 | the physical danger, I might actually die, | 身体危险,我可能真的死了, |
| 182 | I'm not, I don't think that's for me. | 我没有,我不认为那是给我的。 |
| 183 | I know, and you know what, everyone has their own things | 我知道,你知道, 每个人都有自己的东西 |
| 184 | of what they have to confront in life, | 他们生前所要面对的, |
| 185 | and what they feel is scary, or whatever, | 他们的感受是可怕的,或者什么的, |
| 186 | so it's just, I'm someone who very much, | 所以只是,我是一个非常, |
| 187 | I don't know, I just, I'm interested. | 我不知道,我只是,我很感兴趣。 |
| 188 | I was reflecting on the kind of first thing | 我在思考第一件事 |
| 189 | {\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}你们把挖掘者的事都杀了 | |
| 190 | was kind of a two and a half minute feature ad | 有点像两分钟半的广告 |
| 191 | about your sort of life on screen. | 关于你那种生活 在屏幕上。 |
| 192 | Like it's just a cut of many of your film performances, | 就像只是你很多电影表演的剪辑一样 |
| 193 | and then like a little bit of Digger. | 然后像一点点挖掘机。 |
| 194 | I wonder, when you look at two and a half minutes | 不知道,当你看着两个半分钟 |
| 195 | of a life on screen, what do you feel? | 你感觉如何? |
| 196 | Like what's going through your head | 就像你脑子里想的一样 |
| 197 | when you're watching that? | 当你在看的时候? |
| 198 | I think about the joy of being able to create | 我想到能够创造的快乐 |
| 199 | the people that I have created with, | 我所创造的民众, |
| 200 | the amazing times I've had, | 我经历过的美妙时光, |
| 201 | the wonderful challenges that we've overcome, | 我们克服的奇妙挑战 |
| 202 | to be able to make films, and to have dreams as a kid | 能够拍摄电影, 和梦想 作为一个孩子 |
| 203 | to be able to do this, that's what I look at. | 能够做到这一点, 这就是我所看到的。 |
| 204 | I see everyone involved in making it, | 我看见每个人参与制造, |
| 205 | I feel grateful about that. | 我对此感到感激。 |
| 206 | I remember every moment, when we're going through | 我记得每一刻,当我们经历 |
| 207 | making these things, and the evolution of those projects, | 制作这些东西, 以及这些项目的演变, |
| 208 | those are the things I think about. | 这些都是我想的东西。 |
| 209 | You've mentioned a couple times already | 你说过几次了 |
| 210 | this being your childhood dream. | 这是你的童年梦想 |
| 211 | And you used to actually write these dreams down, right? | 你经常把这些梦写下来,对吧? |
| 212 | Am I correct about this? | 我说的对吗? |
| 213 | What I did was I write goals, I still, | 我所做的是写目标,我仍然, |
| 214 | it's like you're looking at something, | 就像你在看东西一样 |
| 215 | you write a goal, and then you write underneath | 然后在下面写 |
| 216 | what are those things you need to learn | 你需要学习的东西是什么? |
| 217 | to be able to accomplish those goals? | 能够实现这些目标? |
| 218 | So as I'm doing it, so I'm constantly learning new things. | 所以,当我这样做, 所以我不断学习新的东西。 |
| 219 | So I will learn a skill, and then I'll apply it to movies, | 所以我会学会一种技巧 然后把它应用于电影 |
| 220 | or I'll look at movies and understand | 不然我就看电影,明白 |
| 221 | what does it take to get a camera here like this, | 弄个摄像机来干什么? |
| 222 | and what lens is that, and what lighting creates this | 是什么镜头,什么光线 创造了这个 |
| 223 | within this space, what architecture, | 在这个空间里,什么建筑, |
| 224 | how do they build something? | 他们怎么造东西? |
| 225 | Those things, how do they come together, | 这些东西,他们是如何走到一起的, |
| 226 | and why something makes us feel a particular way? | 为什么有些事情让我们觉得自己有特殊的方式? |
| 227 | But that's a very adult point of view. | 但这是非常成熟的观点. |
| 228 | When you're a kid writing things down, | 当你还是个孩子的时候, |
| 229 | I've heard you say that the dreams were so big | 我听到你说梦境如此之大 |
| 230 | that the adults in your life reacted poorly to them, right? | 你生活中的成年人对他们反应不好,对吗? |
| 231 | Not all of them, that's a generality. | 不是所有的人,这是一般的。 |
| 232 | But my family, there's certain people that were, | 但我的家人, 有一些人是, |
| 233 | I didn't say it, I stopped saying it, | 我没有说,我停止说, |
| 234 | because some of them did, and some, | 因为他们中有些人做了,有些人做了, |
| 235 | most were like, they were like, yeah, you're a little kid. | 多数人喜欢,他们喜欢, 是的,你是一个小孩子。 |
| 236 | But I think also children have a lot more going on | 但我觉得孩子们还有很多事要做 |
| 237 | than if parents or adults are listening. | 而不是父母或成年人在听 |
| 238 | They have their dreams, and I've seen it, | 他们有他们的梦想, 我见过它, |
| 239 | where they have those dreams, | 在那里,他们有这些梦想, |
| 240 | and many times I've spoken to many different people | 我和很多不同的人谈过很多次 |
| 241 | where they saw it, and they had this passion, | 在那里,他们看到了它, 他们有这种激情, |
| 242 | and that's what they were driving towards. | 他们正朝这个方向前进 |
| 243 | That's what I did. | 这就是我所做的。 |
| 244 | I know, this is something sad, though, | 我知道,这有点悲哀,虽然, |
| 245 | about people being like, this is too big | 关于人们喜欢, 这太大了 |
| 246 | and too scary for me, and then you stop sharing it. | 对我来说太可怕了 然后你就不再分享了 |
| 247 | Yeah, but I never let go of it. | 是的,但我从来没有放弃它。 |
| 248 | I never let go of it, and I understood very early on, | 我从不放手,我很早就明白 |
| 249 | this is for me, and there's things that, | 这是给我的 有些事 |
| 250 | even when I started out, and I told you, Zach, | 即使我刚开始 我就告诉你 Zach |
| 251 | I didn't talk about it. | 我没有谈论它。 |
| 252 | I'm 18 years old, I've already had jobs, | 我18岁了 我已经有工作了 |
| 253 | and I've had to manage, I'm a CEO of my life, | 我不得不管理, 我是一个CEO我的生活, |
| 254 | but I know the dreams that I want. | 但我知道我想要的梦 |
| 255 | I want to see what those people are like | 我想看看那些人是什么样子 |
| 256 | in those different countries. | 在不同国家。 |
| 257 | What is it like, that language? | 那种语言是什么感觉? |
| 258 | What are they saying? | 他们在说什么? |
| 259 | What's it like hearing that? | 闻此何法. |
| 260 | Movies, for me, were an in. | 电影,对我来说,是一个英寸 |
| 261 | Now you have the internet, and you can see things, | 现在你有互联网, 你可以看到的东西, |
| 262 | and it's all like that, but it's also, | 这一切都是这样的,但它也是, |
| 263 | going to these places, that was just me, | 去这些地方, 那只是我, |
| 264 | and it is me, and I want to know about that stuff. | 而这是我, 我想知道的东西。 |
| 265 | You have what I think of as the very classical | 你有我所认为的非常古典 |
| 266 | actor of childhood, right? | 童年的演员,对吧? |
| 267 | What is it like, 15 schools in 16 years, | 16年来有15所学校 |
| 268 | something like that? | 类似的东西? |
| 269 | I was writing characters and creating characters | 我在写人物和创造人物 |
| 270 | very early on to make my family laugh. | 很早就让我的家人笑了 |
| 271 | I just wanted to make them laugh, | 我只是想让他们笑 |
| 272 | and I love telling stories, and for me, | 我喜欢讲故事,对我来说, |
| 273 | traveling in that way, and it is an adventure. | 旅行的方式, 这是一个冒险。 |
| 274 | People go, where do you live? | 人们去,你住在哪里? |
| 275 | It's like, I live around the world. | 这就像,我住 环游世界。 |
| 276 | And that's a source of happiness for you, | 这是你幸福的源泉 |
| 277 | not like a source of like, I have no home. | 不喜欢这样的来源, 我没有家。 |
| 278 | I have a home, everywhere I go, | 我有一个家,无论我走到哪里, |
| 279 | and I feel very much at home in places, | 我感到非常 在家里的地方, |
| 280 | and it's what I like. | 这就是我喜欢的 |
| 281 | There's a thing that you like to say, | 有件事你喜欢说, |
| 282 | correct me if I get this wrong, | 如果我弄错了就纠正我 |
| 283 | it's about movies. | 这是关于电影。 |
| 284 | You say, it's not what I do, it's who I am. | 你说,这不是我做的, 它是我是谁。 |
| 285 | Is that right? | 是吗? |
| 286 | Yes. | 对 |
| 287 | I actually wonder what you mean by that. | 我真想知道你这是什么意思 |
| 288 | That, for me, it's making movies is, | 对我来说 它在拍电影 |
| 289 | we're learning skills, we're communicating to the world, | 我们在学习技能,在与世界沟通, |
| 290 | we're embracive of life, you know? | 我们是生命的内涵,你知道吗? |
| 291 | Making a movie, it's not one person. | 拍电影不是一个人 |
| 292 | It's everyone making that film. | 大家都在拍电影 |
| 293 | I think when you say movies are not what I do, | 我认为当你说电影不是我做的 |
| 294 | it's who I am, it makes me wonder, | 这就是我,让我觉得奇怪, |
| 295 | when you're not on a movie set, who are you? | 当你不在电影里,你是谁? |
| 296 | I'm me, I am me throughout. | 我是我,我是我整个。 |
| 297 | I'm always me, you know? | 我总是我,你知道吗? |
| 298 | I am always me. | 我总是我。 |
| 299 | I am someone who is very interested in people, | 我是对人很有兴趣的人 |
| 300 | interested in life. | 对生活感兴趣 |
| 301 | I think people wonder what you're doing on a random Tuesday | 我想人们在周二会怀疑你在做什么 |
| 302 | when you're not on a movie set. | 当你不在电影里的时候 |
| 303 | You know what, I'm preparing for the next. | 你知道吗,我在准备下一个 |
| 304 | I'm always studying something, | 我总是学习一些东西, |
| 305 | I'm always learning something, always. | 我总是学习一些东西,总是。 |
| 306 | You've said to me already a couple of times, | 你对我说过几次了 |
| 307 | you're like, I don't talk about this, | 你就像, 我不谈论这个, |
| 308 | before you talked about something. | 在你谈起事情之前 |
| 309 | And I was reflecting, you haven't really sat down | 我在反省 你还没坐下 |
| 310 | in a context like this one. | 在这样的背景下 |
| 311 | No, mm-mm. | 没有,毫米毫米。 |
| 312 | Yeah, for a long time, why not? | 是啊,很长一段时间,为什么不呢? |
| 313 | A busy one, very busy. | 一个忙,非常忙。 |
| 314 | And there's things that I want others, artists, to know. | 有些东西我想要别人,艺术家们知道。 |
| 315 | They see it in the same way that it's like, | 他们以同样的方式看待它 就像, |
| 316 | I want them to know. | 我要他们知道 |
| 317 | When people see a movie, you want it to look easy. | 当人们看到一部电影,你希望它看起来容易。 |
| 318 | I don't sit here, and understanding the joy | 我不坐在这里,并理解欢乐 |
| 319 | of that it's okay if it hurts, that it's hard, | 如果疼就没事 很难 |
| 320 | that it can be confusing and you don't know. | 这会让人困惑,你不知道。 |
| 321 | If you look at my career, it's not like happenstance | 如果你看我的事业,这不像偶然 |
| 322 | that I ended up in Prague at the time | 那时我在布拉格 |
| 323 | that I ended up in Prague, or China when I was there, | 我在布拉格或者中国的时候 |
| 324 | or Dubai, or wherever, England, going there in 1982 | 或迪拜,或任何地方, 英国,1982年去那里 |
| 325 | 和Ridley Scott一起做传奇 | |
| 326 | And I would see those doors that open, | 我会看到那些门打开, |
| 327 | I'm going, here's an opportunity. | 我走了,这是一个机会。 |
| 328 | When I look at that time, I sincerely mean, | 当我看着那段时间,我真诚地说, |
| 329 | I'm grateful for the amount of time that I've spent | 我很感激我花了这么多时间 |
| 330 | where people have shared their lives with me. | 在那里人们与我分享他们的生活。 |
| 331 | Yeah, I have a question about that, | 是的,我有个问题 |
| 332 | but just to square the circle, | 但只是为方圆, |
| 333 | so you're saying basically you have not sat down | 这么说你根本没坐下 |
| 334 | in context like this one because you don't want to | 像这样的背景 因为你不想 |
| 335 | reveal the magic trick. | 揭开魔术 |
| 336 | I haven't just had the time where I'm like, | 我不只是有时间 喜欢, |
| 337 | and I'm looking at it, it's like the journey is, | 我看着它 就像旅程一样 |
| 338 | and where we're going, and the amount of things | 和我们要去哪里, 和数量的东西 |
| 339 | that I set in motion and decided I was going to do, | 我开始行动,决定要这么做, |
| 340 | and looking back on those things that I felt worked. | 并回顾那些我感觉工作的东西。 |
| 341 | Do you know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 342 | I went for competence, I went for skill, | 我去了能力,去技能, |
| 343 | for whatever level that was, being able to then go, | 无论达到什么水平, 都能去, |
| 344 | oh, this is what I need to focus on, | 哦,这就是我需要专注于, |
| 345 | because I'm also, I'm a teacher, and I'm a student, | 因为我也是,我是一个老师,我是一个学生, |
| 346 | so I'm having to educate people on cinema and movies, | 所以我必须教育人们 电影和电影, |
| 347 | and I'm hearing what they think also. | 我听到他们的想法 |
| 348 | So I have a question, well, one, what do we owe the honor, | 所以我有个问题 一个 我们欠你什么 |
| 349 | then, for you to slow down and talk to me? | 那么,让你慢下来和我说话? |
| 350 | I swear I'm not switching for a compliment. | 我发誓我不是在夸奖你 |
| 351 | No, it's just, no, listen, it's very nice. | 不,只是,不,听着,这是非常好的。 |
| 352 | It's like this is, here we are, first of all, | 像这样,我们在这里,首先, |
| 353 | I have to say the amount of time that COVID took | 我必须说COVID花了多少时间 |
| 354 | when we're going through it. | 当我们经历它。 |
| 355 | It was, we were in a dead sprint at a very long pace, | 是,我们是在一个死 短跑以非常长的步伐, |
| 356 | up against a lot of things to be able to, | 面对很多事情 能够, |
| 357 | we wanted to keep everyone going and going through it, | 我们想让大家继续经历 |
| 358 | and operating at a very, very high level, | 在非常,非常高的水平上, |
| 359 | and just this is the time to be able to talk about it. | 现在正是谈论它的时候。 |
| 360 | There's some lore, again, Glenn Powell, indiscreet, | 格伦·鲍威尔,还有神话 |
| 361 | though he may be, talks about, | 虽然他可能是, 谈论, |
| 362 | think there's a six-hour video. | 以为有六小时的录像 |
| 363 | Oh, he's not, he's not. | 哦,他没有,他没有。 |
| 364 | I don't know, video, film, what would you call it? | 我不知道,视频,电影,你会怎么称呼它? |
| 365 | Six-hour instructional, he was like, | 六小时的教学,他喜欢, |
| 366 | I sat in the theater and watched, | 我坐在剧院看着 |
| 367 | something that Tom put together about screen acting, | 汤姆整理的关于屏幕演技的东西 |
| 368 | I believe. | 我认为 |
| 369 | It's just very basic, it was something where I'm going | 很简单,我要去的地方 |
| 370 | to have people understand, | 让人们明白, |
| 371 | just to have a different concept of lenses, | 只是有一个不同的概念 镜头, |
| 372 | and what the lens is, and what the frame is. | 镜头是什么 镜头是什么 |
| 373 | Just the same way as an actor on stage, | 跟演员一样 |
| 374 | the development of cinema, where it started, | 电影院的发展,它的开始, |
| 375 | and what that frame means, | 以及这个框架意味着什么, |
| 376 | and how to understand that frame. | 以及如何理解这个框架。 |
| 377 | There's just different layers of storytelling, | 讲故事的层次不同 |
| 378 | of structure, but also to understand certain things, | 结构,但也理解某些东西, |
| 379 | so that you can forget about it, but that you get it. | 让你忘记它,但你得到它。 |
| 380 | And this is information that you share with people. | 这就是你与人们分享的信息。 |
| 381 | I sometimes hear people, and sometimes that person | 有时我听到有人,有时他 |
| 382 | as myself, kind of refer to you as the last movie star, | 作为我,那种称呼你 作为最后一个电影明星, |
| 383 | but it sounds like you don't agree, | 但听起来你不同意 |
| 384 | that you're kind of mentoring a new generation. | 那种你指导 新一代。 |
| 385 | Look, first of all, I have to say, | 听着 首先 我得说 |
| 386 | there's really talented actors. | 有非常有天赋的演员。 |
| 387 | Do you know what I'm saying? | 你知道我在说什么吗? |
| 388 | Pitt is a great actor, great star, great charisma, | 皮特是一个伟大的演员,伟大的明星,伟大的魅力, |
| 389 | and there's many, many, many. | 还有很多,很多,很多。 |
| 390 | And I think that I want this art form. | 我认为我想要这种艺术形式。 |
| 391 | I'm on the set with great craftsmen, as a young kid, | 我和伟大的工匠在片场上 作为一个年轻的孩子, |
| 392 | and it's not just 1981, where they're there. | 不只是1981年 他们在那里 |
| 393 | Their knowledge comes from, it's generational. | 他们的知识来自,是世代相传的. |
| 394 | So, as you're making movies, you're learning | 所以,当你拍电影的时候,你在学习 |
| 395 | from other people, and then you're making it your own. | 从别人, 然后你自己做。 |
| 396 | But you're learning, it is a skill, making films. | 但你正在学习,这是一种技巧, 拍摄电影。 |
| 397 | Acting is, you know, it's language, you know, | 表演是,你知道, 这是语言,你知道, |
| 398 | and it's also that trailer's like showing this, | 还有那辆拖车就像展示这个 |
| 399 | it's language, it's visual language, it's verbal language, | 语言,视觉语言,语言语言 |
| 400 | it's understanding, you know, comedy in its various forms | 它的理解,你知道, 喜剧的各种形式 |
| 401 | and rhythms, from Risky Business, to Edge of Tomorrow, | 和节奏,从风险 业务,到明天的边缘, |
| 402 | to Less Grossman, to this kind of comedy drama, | 到小格罗斯曼, 这种喜剧剧, |
| 403 | or in drama in different ways, from An Eyes Wide Shut | 或以不同方式在戏剧中, 从双眼宽闭 |
| 404 | to A Color of Money, you know, or just as a, you know, | 钱的颜色,你知道, 或者就像一个,你知道, |
| 405 | Magnolia, whatever you want to say. | 玛格诺莉娅 你想说什么就说什么 |
| 406 | It's each one is, it takes preparation, | 每一个都是,需要准备 |
| 407 | it takes understanding to, and where you want to get to it, | 它需要理解, 在哪里你想得到它, |
| 408 | it's like, it just looks like you're not thinking about it. | 这就像,它只是看起来像 你没有考虑它。 |
| 409 | I don't want audiences to think about it. | 我不想让观众考虑一下 |
| 410 | I don't want them to see it. | 我不想让他们看到它。 |
| 411 | I want them to just experience it. | 我想让他们体验一下 |
| 412 | You turned 64 last week. | 你上周才满64岁 |
| 413 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 414 | Did that mean anything to you? | 这对你有什么意义吗? |
| 415 | It means I'm 64. | 这意味着我64。 |
| 416 | Does it change the way you think about anything? | 它会改变你的想法吗? |
| 417 | I remember, I once heard- | 我记得,我曾经听说... |
| 418 | Zach, it's just like, no. | 扎克,这就像,没有。 |
| 419 | Zach's like, does it change anything? | Zach说,有什么改变吗? |
| 420 | When you look at this, does it like, it's like, | 当你看到这个, 它像,它就像, |
| 421 | man, I'm just saying, like, it doesn't at all. | 男人,我只是说, 像,它一点也不。 |
| 422 | First of all, devastating impression of me. | 首先,对我的毁灭性印象。 |
| 423 | I'm going to be haunted by that. | 我会被它困扰 |
| 424 | Why, by what? | 为什么? |
| 425 | By the interviewing impression. | 被采访的印象。 |
| 426 | I'm going to hear your voice in my head. | 我会听到你的声音在我的头上。 |
| 427 | How do you feel about that? | 你觉得怎么样? |
| 428 | For the rest of my life, it's going to haunt me. | 余生会缠缚. |
| 429 | I think the reason I was asking was- | 我想我问的原因是... |
| 430 | Here's the thing, I don't look at, I don't, | 问题是,我不看,我不看 |
| 431 | if I could, it's like, I'm just, I'm living my life, | 如果我可以,这就像,我只是, 我生活我的生活, |
| 432 | and I have always dreams, but I also know | 我总是做梦 但我也知道 |
| 433 | to accomplish those dreams, it takes effort, | 为了实现这些梦想,需要努力, |
| 434 | and you need to understand life and skills, | 你需要了解生活和技能, |
| 435 | and it's a constant learning experience. | 它是一个不断的学习经验。 |
| 436 | The reason I was asking, like, | 我问的原因,喜欢, |
| 437 | I once heard George Clooney say, like, | 我曾经听到乔治·克鲁尼说 |
| 438 | he had a point where he had to think, | 他有一个观点,他不得不思考, |
| 439 | basically, like, age-wise, where he thought | 基本上,像,年龄,他认为 |
| 440 | about screen acting differently. | 关于屏幕行为不同。 |
| 441 | It was like a different part he was looking for. | 这就像他寻找的另一部分。 |
| 442 | It was a different role on screen, | 这在屏幕上是一个不同的角色, |
| 443 | and I was wondering if he had some more thoughts. | 我在想他有没有更多的想法。 |
| 444 | I don't see, what I see is, is I see life | 我看不见,我看到的是,我看到了生命 |
| 445 | in a different way, of stories. | 以不同的方式, 故事。 |
| 446 | I see it in a way of stories, and I don't, | 我从一个故事的角度来看待它, 我没有, |
| 447 | I don't see life in that way. | 我不这么认为生活 |
| 448 | I see life, with this, it's like you're looking at, | 我看到生活,用这个, 它就像你在看, |
| 449 | you know, there's so many things that I enjoy | 你知道,有很多事情,我喜欢 |
| 450 | and like doing, that's how I see life. | 就像做一样,我就是这样看待生命的。 |
| 451 | I want to ask a question about, | 我想问个问题 |
| 452 | this is going to sound simplistic, | 这听起来很简单 |
| 453 | but what it takes to be Tom Cruise, | 汤姆·克鲁斯是什么样的人 |
| 454 | because I feel like I've heard you talk before | 因为我感觉我以前听过你说话 |
| 455 | about this isn't a natural thing, | 关于这不是一个自然的事情, |
| 456 | this isn't like you rolled out of bed and did it. | 这可不是你从床上滚出来干的 |
| 457 | No, I didn't roll out of bed, and I, as I said, | 不,我没有滚出床, 我,正如我说的, |
| 458 | you know, it was, I don't know, you know, | 你知道,这是,我不知道,你知道, |
| 459 | you're a kid and you have a dream. | 你是一个孩子,你有一个梦想。 |
| 460 | I was always, I guess, you call me precocious, | 我总是,我猜, 你叫我豫章, |
| 461 | where, you know, I'd look at people, | 在那里,你知道, 我会看着人, |
| 462 | and I'd look at their lives in movies, that's what I had. | 我看着他们在电影中的生活, 这就是我拥有的。 |
| 463 | I had my secret plan that I had, | 我有我的秘密计划,我有, |
| 464 | because I knew very early on, | 因为我很早就知道, |
| 465 | don't tell people you have dreams, you know. | 别告诉别人你有梦想 |
| 466 | So it's still a heartbreaking thing to say. | 所以说这还是件令人心碎的事 |
| 467 | Yeah, but it, it's really, it's, | 是啊,但它,这是真的,这是, |
| 468 | and I've talked to many people that are like, | 我和很多人谈过 |
| 469 | sometimes you gotta keep, you know, | 有时候你得保持,你知道, |
| 470 | keep things to yourself. | 保持自己的东西。 |
| 471 | Those dreams and, you know, I'd have it, | 那些梦想,你知道,我会有它, |
| 472 | I'd write them on a board and I had them on my wall, | 我会把它们写在一块板子上 然后放在墙上 |
| 473 | you know, it wasn't I want to be famous, | 你知道,这不是我想出名, |
| 474 | you know, I definitely wanted to make movies, | 我绝对想拍电影 |
| 475 | but I wanted to travel the world | 但我想环游世界 |
| 476 | and I wanted to know people and know life. | 我想了解别人 了解生活 |
| 477 | And I always knew I can work, | 我总是知道我可以工作, |
| 478 | like I'm a hard worker, always, | 就像我是一个勤奋的工人,总是, |
| 479 | and I always thought inside myself, what did I know? | 我心里总想,我知道什么? |
| 480 | I know I can, what I felt was I could outwork anyone. | 我知道我可以,我觉得我可以比任何人工作。 |
| 481 | I didn't know there were barriers, | 我不知道有障碍, |
| 482 | meaning you're not supposed to on movie sets. | 意思是你不应该拍电影 |
| 483 | You know, when I did Taps, I went and I shaved my head, | 你知道,当我做塔普斯, 我去剃头, |
| 484 | you know, without telling the director. | 你知道,没有告诉导演。 |
| 485 | I showed up on set and I took my hat off, | 我一出现就脱了帽子 |
| 486 | I went into town and, you know, | 我进城,你知道, |
| 487 | because he said, create the character, | 因为他说:你创造这个人物吧, |
| 488 | so I was creating the character and he looked at me, | 所以我在创造这个角色 他看着我 |
| 489 | he's like, what'd you do? | 他喜欢,你做了什么? |
| 490 | Everything was yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. | 一切如来应供正等正觉. |
| 491 | You know, I was born, my mother was from- | 你知道,我出生,我的母亲是... |
| 492 | That's your background. | 这是你的背景。 |
| 493 | My mother's from Kentucky, very respectful of people. | 我妈妈是肯塔基州人 非常尊重人 |
| 494 | I was, the things that I was raised | 我是,我养大的东西 |
| 495 | is just really respecting people. | 只是真正尊重人们。 |
| 496 | I always had a natural curiosity, always very interested. | 我总是有天生的好奇心 总是很感兴趣 |
| 497 | And I had a secret thing always I had for myself, | 我有一个秘密 我总是为自己, |
| 498 | which was always leave something better. | 总是留下更好的东西 |
| 499 | You know, we lived in rented houses, | 你知道,我们住在租房, |
| 500 | so it was always like, make sure that the room is nicer. | 所以它总是喜欢, 确保房间更好。 |
| 501 | I was always looking, I guess, | 我总是在寻找,我想, |
| 502 | for what is the greatest amount of creation, | 以最大的创造者发誓, |
| 503 | the least amount of destruction. | 最小的破坏量。 |
| 504 | So if you look at my movies even, | 所以,如果你看我的电影甚至, |
| 505 | it's like, I'm always there off camera, I'm always there. | 就像,我总是有 离镜头,我总是在那里。 |
| 506 | When you take, because you are known for this, | 当你拿, 因为你是著名的这一点, |
| 507 | taking younger actors aside, directors, producers, | 把年轻演员,导演,制片人, |
| 508 | and kind of just being like, this is how it's done. | 有点像,这是怎么做的。 |
| 509 | This is what you need to know. | 这是你需要知道的。 |
| 510 | What are you telling them? | 你告诉他们什么? |
| 511 | Well, I'm also listening. | 我也在听着呢 |
| 512 | I listen first, what do they want? | 我先听 他们想要什么? |
| 513 | Here's my first question. | 这是第一个问题 |
| 514 | It's not me. | 这不是我。 |
| 515 | I'm more interested in what are their goals? | 我更想知道他们的目标是什么? |
| 516 | What do they want? | 他们想要什么? |
| 517 | And it's not just younger people. | 而且不只是年轻人 |
| 518 | This is me when I was a kid. | 这是我小时候的样子 |
| 519 | I know, it's like, I'm going, what are you interested in? | 我知道,就像,我要去, 你感兴趣的是什么? |
| 520 | Really? | 真的吗? |
| 521 | Yes, what is this movie about? | 是的,这是什么电影? |
| 522 | You know, what is this? | 这是什么? |
| 523 | When you're a kid, how do people react? | 当你还是个孩子的时候 人们的反应如何? |
| 524 | Yeah, they'd be like, what, like, should we? | 是啊,他们会是什么, 像,我们应该吗? |
| 525 | But I'm curious, you know, I'm a new kid. | 但我好奇,你知道, 我是个新孩子。 |
| 526 | And I'm like, I guess I was just, | 而我喜欢, 我想我只是, |
| 527 | it's like, what do you do? | 这就像,你做什么的? |
| 528 | Where are you from? | 你从哪里来? |
| 529 | Where you, you know, where'd you get those shoes? | 你从哪里买的鞋子? |
| 530 | And what are you studying? | 你在学习什么? |
| 531 | And what's happening? | 发生什么事了? |
| 532 | And, you know, I was a kid looking out the windows. | 而且,你知道,我是一个孩子 看着窗外。 |
| 533 | The teachers were like, what's happening, you know? | 老师都说,发生了什么,你知道吗? |
| 534 | I first want to know what things, | 我首先想知道什么情况 |
| 535 | what do they want to know about? | 他们想知道什么? |
| 536 | What are they interested in? | 他们感兴趣的是什么? |
| 537 | And then I get kind of interested | 然后我开始感兴趣 |
| 538 | in what they're interested in. | 他们感兴趣的事 |
| 539 | You know, when I'm making a movie with different people, | 你知道,当我拍电影 不同的人, |
| 540 | it's like, what do they think of life? | 他们怎么看待生活? |
| 541 | And I'm interested in what do they think? | 我对他们的想法感兴趣? |
| 542 | I'll discuss with them what it means for me | 我会跟他们讨论这对我意味着什么 |
| 543 | to make movies. | 拍电影。 |
| 544 | And, you know, sometimes I'm always like, | 而且,你知道,有时我总是喜欢, |
| 545 | listen, try to know before you go. | 听着,试着在走之前知道 |
| 546 | Like, don't just work with people. | 喜欢,不要仅仅与人合作。 |
| 547 | You've got to, who are they? | 你一定要,他们是谁? |
| 548 | What are they? | 他们是什么? |
| 549 | What are they trying to do? | 他们想干什么? |
| 550 | Something you learn early, yeah. | 你学的很早,是的。 |
| 551 | I had to learn early. | 我得早点学 |
| 552 | You know, I was living in many different schools. | 你知道,我住 在许多不同的学校。 |
| 553 | And it taught me about human behavior, about life. | 它教会了我关于人类的行为,关于生命。 |
| 554 | But it's a journey. | 却作是行. |
| 555 | So people that work with me, they know, | 所以那些和我一起工作的人 他们知道 |
| 556 | they've, I expect a lot. | 他们已经,我期望很多。 |
| 557 | And it's, and I'm upfront about it. | 而且,这是,我先对它。 |
| 558 | It's like, the rumors are true. | 这就像,谣言是真的。 |
| 559 | And do you want this? | 你想要这个吗? |
| 560 | You know? | 你知道吗? |
| 561 | Do you say that? | 你说呢? |
| 562 | Yes! | 对! |
| 563 | If we're there, I'm like, trust me, the rumors are true. | 如果我们在那里,我想, 相信我,谣言是真的。 |
| 564 | I'll be here before you. | 我会在你之前在这里。 |
| 565 | I'll be here before you, yeah. | 我会在你之前在这里,是的。 |
| 566 | What experience do you want? | 你想要什么经验? |
| 567 | And I'm very open. | 我非常开放。 |
| 568 | And it's not like we don't have a plan. | 我们又不是没有计划 |
| 569 | We have scripts, we have plans, we're going through it. | 我们有剧本,我们有计划,我们正在通过它。 |
| 570 | But I also feel the level of responsibility for, | 但我也感觉到责任的程度, |
| 571 | I don't know, I guess for everyone. | 我不知道,我想每个人。 |
| 572 | Do you feel like you're like understood | 你觉得自己像被理解 |
| 573 | when you say this stuff, that people get it? | 当你说这些东西, 人们得到它? |
| 574 | You know, there's things that I didn't say for many years. | 你知道,有些事情,我没有说 多年来。 |
| 575 | Like, I had these things, and why didn't I say it? | 喜欢,我有这些东西, 为什么我没有说出来? |
| 576 | Because I'm on the road, | 因为我在路上, |
| 577 | and I wanted to understand this art form | 我想了解这种艺术形式 |
| 578 | in its various forms. | 各种形式。 |
| 579 | And I don't know how much, sometimes they do. | 我不知道他们有多少钱,有时。 |
| 580 | I know the people I work with. | 我认识我的同事 |
| 581 | We all kind of feel the same thing. | 我们都一样 |
| 582 | We want to do well. | 我们想做得好。 |
| 583 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 584 | We want to understand why do things work, | 我们想知道为什么事情会成功 |
| 585 | why don't they work? | 他们为什么不工作? |
| 586 | You know, when you start doing something, | 你知道 当你开始做一些事情, |
| 587 | it's, I'm an all-in kind of guy, Zach. | 我是那种人 扎克 |
| 588 | I don't know what to say. | 僧无语. |
| 589 | I'm life, I'm coming right at it. | 我是生命,我马上就来 |
| 590 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 591 | It's coming at me, and I'm coming right at it. | 它朝我走来,我正朝它走来。 |
| 592 | I'm 100%, I am not a halfway kind of person, you know? | 我百分百,我不是那种 一半的人,你知道吗? |
| 593 | People say, it's like, look, man, it's okay. | 人们说,这就像,看,男人,没关系。 |
| 594 | Don't be afraid to fail, you know? | 不要害怕失败,你知道吗? |
| 595 | And I never want to be like, you hit that peak, | 我从不想像,你撞到了那个峰顶, |
| 596 | and it's like, there's always a new dream. | 它就像,总是有一个新的梦想。 |
| 597 | You know, you're asking me about being 64. | 你知道,你问我 关于64。 |
| 598 | I'm going, there's so much life, | 我走了,有这么多的生活, |
| 599 | and there's always another dream. | 总是有另一个梦。 |
| 600 | And there's times in my life where someone was like, | 我生命中有时有人会说 |
| 601 | you know, you've done so well. | 你知道,你做的这么好。 |
| 602 | Like, what else are you going to do? | 喜欢,你还打算怎么办? |
| 603 | When I was a kid, I think we put our own barriers there. | 当我还是个孩子的时候,我想我们自己设置了障碍。 |
| 604 | I think that a person without a dream | 我认为一个没有梦想的人 |
| 605 | is they've decided not to live. | 他们决定不活了 |
| 606 | I've tested it for myself, it's true for me. | 我为自己测试过 对我来说是真的 |
| 607 | I've just had such big dreams, maybe, you know, | 我刚刚做了个大梦,也许,你知道, |
| 608 | and it's something that it doesn't stop. | 和它的东西 它不停止。 |
| 609 | It's, you know, and it doesn't stop. | 这是,你知道, 它没有停止。 |
| 610 | And it's, as I said, I'm more interested in you | 就像我说的 我对你更感兴趣 |
| 611 | than me talking about this. | 比我讲的这个。 |
| 612 | Like, I'm not- | 喜欢,我不是... |
| 613 | And again, I have bad news for you about this. | 再说一遍,我有个坏消息要告诉你 |
| 614 | I'm literally, I'm not like this person. | 我从字面上说,我不像这个人。 |
| 615 | It's like, there, I'm more interested, | 这就像,那里,我更感兴趣, |
| 616 | I don't tell people things. | 我不告诉别人什么。 |
| 617 | I'm more interested, when I sit down with them, | 我更感兴趣, 当我坐下来与他们, |
| 618 | I'm going, what do you want to know? | 我走了,你想知道什么吗? |
| 619 | Like, what do you want from your life? | 喜欢,你想要什么 从你的生活中? |
| 620 | You know, what I did is what I did. | 你知道,我所做的就是我所做的一切。 |
| 621 | When you hear other people's dreams, | 当你听到别人的梦想 |
| 622 | do they, like, make sense to you, you know? | 他们有道理吗? |
| 623 | I don't know if I walk around and ask people that. | 我不知道我是不是到处问别人 |
| 624 | I like to know what their dreams are. | 我想知道他们的梦想是什么 |
| 625 | And do they make sense when you hear them? | 你听到他们的声音 他们有道理吗? |
| 626 | Oh, yeah, they're beautiful. | 哦,是的,他们是美丽的。 |
| 627 | And you see how they're creating it. | 你看他们是如何创造的。 |
| 628 | Those things, you're going, wow. | 那些东西,你要去,哇。 |
| 629 | For what, for better or worse, you're there. | 为了什么,为了好或坏, 你在那里。 |
| 630 | You decided to get in the car, man, you know? | 你决定上车了,你知道吗? |
| 631 | I mean, I hate to say it, but it's, | 我的意思是,我不想说,但这是, |
| 632 | you know, asking off for whom the bell tolls, you know? | 你知道,问谁的铃声,你知道吗? |
| 633 | And when you say creating it, what do you mean? | 当你说创造它,是什么意思? |
| 634 | Meaning, like, you decided which shoes to wear today. | 意思是你决定今天穿哪双鞋 |
| 635 | You decided the shirt. | 你决定了衬衫。 |
| 636 | I did. | 没错 |
| 637 | There's an actual, like, the way I look at life | 有一个真实的,喜欢,我看生活的方式 |
| 638 | is that has an effect. | 这是有效果的。 |
| 639 | Those decisions are, you chose those things | 这些决定是你选择的 |
| 640 | for whatever reason. | 无论出于什么原因 |
| 641 | And it's an emotional thing, you're not thinking about it, | 感情上的事情,你没在想 |
| 642 | and it has a certain effect on the environment. | 对环境有一定影响 |
| 643 | I'm saying it in simplicity. | 我说得简单 |
| 644 | It's like, what environment does it, | 这就像,什么环境做它, |
| 645 | what effect does it have? | 它有什么影响? |
| 646 | Look at the effects of choices, | 看看选择的效果, |
| 647 | and what are the results of that, you know? | 结果如何? |
| 648 | And we all know it. | 我们都知道 |
| 649 | It's like you put a drop of pebble in a pond, | 就像你把一滴石块放在池塘里 |
| 650 | you kind of see it ripple out. | 你有点看到它波折出来。 |
| 651 | It does ripple out. | 它会拉开。 |
| 652 | Butterfly effect, we all have an effect. | 蝴蝶效应,我们都有一个效果。 |
| 653 | Some people say, look, I just want to say hello, | 有人说,你看, 我只是想说你好, |
| 654 | I'm a nobody. | 我是个无名小卒 |
| 655 | I said, please don't ever say that to me. | 我说,请永远不要对我说。 |
| 656 | I've never met a nobody in my entire life. | 我这辈子从未见过任何人 |
| 657 | Everyone has a story. | 每个人都有一个故事。 |
| 658 | Everybody's life has a journey and a story. | 每个人都有旅程和故事 |
| 659 | And it's, if you take a moment and you're learning, | 如果你花点时间学习 |
| 660 | it's fascinating, and it's interesting, and I'm interested. | 很有趣,我很感兴趣。 |
| 661 | Look at the light in here. | 看这里的灯光。 |
| 662 | Look at the architecture. | 观其建筑. |
| 663 | And seeing things where I'm looking at civilization | 看见我所看到的文明 |
| 664 | and the designs and why the designs and how that affects | 设计、设计原因和如何影响 |
| 665 | and what happens, but it's all, those things in terms of. | 会发生什么,但都是这些事 |
| 666 | I hear you say that and my head just spins. | 我听到你这么说,我的头就转了 |
| 667 | I'm like, is that really the level | 我很喜欢,是真正的水平 |
| 668 | that we're processing every day? | 我们每天都在处理? |
| 669 | Yes, but it's not that complicated. | 是的,但没那么复杂。 |
| 670 | It's more emotional. | 更动感情. |
| 671 | It's more experiential than I'm just kind of analytically. | 比我分析的更能体验 |
| 672 | But I can. | 但我会的 |
| 673 | But you're a very hourly director. | 但你是一个非常小时导演。 |
| 674 | I am. | 没错 |
| 675 | I say it, you know, I am. | 我说,你知道,我是。 |
| 676 | Yeah, you ask why now. | 是啊,你问为什么现在。 |
| 677 | It's, you know, you kind of wake up and you realize, | 你知道,你醒来的时候意识到, |
| 678 | well, there's a few things I know, | 嗯,有一些事情我知道, |
| 679 | and if people want to know it, | 如果人们想知道 |
| 680 | in the same way that things were imparted to me, | 以同样的方式传递给我, |
| 681 | and I want other artists, like they're there, | 我想要其他艺术家 就像他们在那里, |
| 682 | they're like, I'm nervous of this, like, that's okay. | 他们喜欢,我很紧张, 像,没关系。 |
| 683 | It's okay. | 没关系。 |
| 684 | Like, do I feel scared? | 我害怕吗? |
| 685 | Yeah, but I don't mind it. | 是的,但我不介意这样。 |
| 686 | And what I mean by that, | 我意思是说 |
| 687 | it's not some brave thing where I'm doing it. | 我这样做不是什么勇敢的事 |
| 688 | It's like, it's okay. | 这就像,没关系。 |
| 689 | That's life. | 这就是生活。 |
| 690 | You know, there's uncertainties. | 你知道,有不确定性。 |
| 691 | And your willingness to tolerate those uncertainties | 你愿意忍受这些不确定因素 |
| 692 | is taking you to the places that it has. | 带你们去它的地方 |
| 693 | Yeah, and you know what, the things that I do, | 是啊,你知道什么, 我做的事情, |
| 694 | and sometimes, like even when I was a kid, | 有时候,就像我小时候, |
| 695 | they're like, oh, come on, Tom. | 他们就像,哦,来吧,汤姆。 |
| 696 | You know, like, you're so intense. | 你知道,喜欢,你是如此紧张。 |
| 697 | Like, I don't know what to say, I am intense. | 我不知道该说什么,我很紧张 |
| 698 | You know, I got a very good sense of humor | 你知道,我有一个非常好的幽默感 |
| 699 | about it, but it's like when I'm interested in something, | 关于它,但它就像当我感兴趣的东西, |
| 700 | but it's like, I want to learn it, I want to understand it, | 但它就像,我想学习它, 我想理解它, |
| 701 | and you want to blast through the confusion | 你想在混乱中爆炸 |
| 702 | and kind of build up that ability. | 和一种建立这种能力。 |
| 703 | And the certainty you can get is learning skills, | 你能得到的确定性是学习技能, |
| 704 | and learning those skills, but also being able to evaluate, | 学习这些技能,但也能够评估, |
| 705 | do these tools work? | 这些工具有用吗? |
| 706 | It's like, building bridges, engineering, they're theories. | 这就像,建造桥梁,工程, 他们是理论。 |
| 707 | Does the theory work? | 理论有用吗? |
| 708 | When you build a bridge, can people drive across it? | 当你建造一座桥, 人们可以开车过它吗? |
| 709 | So the theory works. | 所以这个理论是可行的。 |
| 710 | 飞lying,是俱 thing. | |
| 711 | It's like, whatever it is, there's a theory, | 这就像,无论它是什么, 有一个理论, |
| 712 | and it's as accurate as it's in a practical, | 它的准确性与实际一样, |
| 713 | empirical way, did it work? | 经验主义的方法,它有用吗? |
| 714 | That's all. | 就这样 |
| 715 | There's the question of like, does the parachute deploy | 问题是降落伞是否部署 |
| 716 | when you ride the motorcycle off the cliff? | 当你骑摩托车离开悬崖时? |
| 717 | Yes. | 对 |
| 718 | But then there must be the feeling that when it does, | 但一定有一种感觉,当它做到了, |
| 719 | and it must feel incredible. | 它必须感觉不可思议。 |
| 720 | That's exactly it. | 就是这样 |
| 721 | I want to say, in its simplicity, to me, | 我想说,简而言之,对我来说, |
| 722 | and it's always been, that's life. | 一直以来 这就是生活 |
| 723 | Now, I want to train so I can open the parachute. | 现在,我想训练 这样我就可以打开降落伞。 |
| 724 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 725 | When I was a kid, I was a kid, literally, | 当我还是个孩子,我还是个孩子, 字面上, |
| 726 | I was like, I took the monkey bars, I pulled it over, | 我当时想,我拿了猴子酒吧,我把它拉过来, |
| 727 | and my mom was in the thing, and I had this GI Joe, | 我妈妈在这件事情, 我有一个GI乔, |
| 728 | you throw it up, I've told this story before, | 你把它扔了,我以前讲过这个故事, |
| 729 | a parachute goes down, ripped the sheets off my bed, | 降落伞掉下来 撕开床单 |
| 730 | took ropes, and I climbed the monkey bar, | 拿着绳子 我爬上猴子酒吧 |
| 731 | climbed up on the roof, climbed up on the high part, | 爬上屋顶,爬上高处, |
| 732 | and I jumped off. | 我跳下来。 |
| 733 | Didn't work. | 没用 |
| 734 | So you want to go, at that moment, | 所以,你想去,在那一刻, |
| 735 | I remember I was about four years old, | 我记得我大概四岁的时候 |
| 736 | I was like, there's something more to this than this. | 我当时想,有 更多的事情比这个。 |
| 737 | I went back, looked at my GI Joe, | 我回去,看我的GI乔, |
| 738 | and I was like, okay, I don't understand this, | 我当时想,好吧, 我不明白这一点, |
| 739 | but I'm not doing that again, | 但我不会再这样了 |
| 740 | but I'm going to figure it out one day, you know? | 但我总有一天会想出办法的 |
| 741 | And you did? | 是吗? |
| 742 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 743 | But that's the stuff, man. | 但就是这样 |
| 744 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 745 | I didn't tell you, but I recently dislocated my shoulder, | 我没告诉你 但我最近肩膀脱臼了 |
| 746 | so we gotta be careful. | 所以我们要小心 |
| 747 | Are you serious? | 你是认真的吗? |
| 748 | Well, yeah. | 对 |
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