【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语
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| P1 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:14:08 |
| P3 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:43:47 |
| P4 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:02:06 |
| P5 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 43:04 |
| P6 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:02:46 |
| P7 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 55:59 |
| P8 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:08:54 |
| P9 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:06:54 |
| P10 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 56:28 |
| P11 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:24:10 |
| P12 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:34:39 |
| P13 | 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语 | 1:09:01 |
P1 · 【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语，发音，速度，声音都非常完美，绝佳英语学习素材！ p01 1. 1. 美国名人--奥普拉·温弗里 (P1)
【12集全】油管超高质量英语访谈播客 # 用播客对话学习英语，发音，速度，声音都非常完美，绝佳英语学习素材！ p01 1. 1. 美国名人--奥普拉·温弗里 (P1)
发布于 2026-06-09 · 时长 1:14:08字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 0:00 | Hey everyone welcome back to On Purpose the number one health podcast in the world thanks to each | 嘿,大家欢迎回到"目的" 世界上第一健康播客 多亏了每个人 |
| 0:05 | and every one of you that come back every week to listen learn and grow and I am just honoured humbled | 你们每个礼拜都回来聆听学习和成长 我很恭敬 |
| 0:12 | and grateful today because I have the honour of speaking with the one and only Oprah Winfrey the | 今天我很荣幸能和奥普拉·温弗雷 |
| 0:18 | person who's inspired me to start this podcast to have the conversations that I get to have | 启发我开始播客对话的人 |
| 0:24 | every single day and inspired me to believe that wisdom truly can be viral it can be contagious | 每一天我都会相信 智慧真的可以病毒化 它可以传染 |
| 0:30 | it can truly change people's lives so I'm excited for you to hear more from her and Dr Perry in a | 这会真正改变人们的生活 所以我很高兴你能听到她和Perry博士在 |
| 0:37 | moment but we got to chat to Oprah just before this wonderful book tour event we did and so Oprah | 等一等,我们得和Oprah谈谈 在那美妙的书游活动之前 |
| 0:43 | welcome to On Purpose thank you so much for this opportunity. I am excited I did not know that I | 欢迎光临,非常感谢你给我这个机会 我很兴奋 我不知道我 |
| 0:48 | inspired you for this I did not I had no idea. I've always wanted to tell you and I'm glad I | 我当时并不知道, 我一直想告诉你 我很高兴 |
| 0:54 | get to tell you in this way I grew up watching you and you made me believe that conversations | 你让我相信对话 |
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| 1 | Hey everyone welcome back to On Purpose the number one health podcast in the world thanks to each | 嘿,大家欢迎回到"目的" 世界上第一健康播客 多亏了每个人 |
| 2 | and every one of you that come back every week to listen learn and grow and I am just honoured humbled | 你们每个礼拜都回来聆听学习和成长 我很恭敬 |
| 3 | and grateful today because I have the honour of speaking with the one and only Oprah Winfrey the | 今天我很荣幸能和奥普拉·温弗雷 |
| 4 | person who's inspired me to start this podcast to have the conversations that I get to have | 启发我开始播客对话的人 |
| 5 | every single day and inspired me to believe that wisdom truly can be viral it can be contagious | 每一天我都会相信 智慧真的可以病毒化 它可以传染 |
| 6 | it can truly change people's lives so I'm excited for you to hear more from her and Dr Perry in a | 这会真正改变人们的生活 所以我很高兴你能听到她和Perry博士在 |
| 7 | moment but we got to chat to Oprah just before this wonderful book tour event we did and so Oprah | 等一等,我们得和Oprah谈谈 在那美妙的书游活动之前 |
| 8 | welcome to On Purpose thank you so much for this opportunity. I am excited I did not know that I | 欢迎光临,非常感谢你给我这个机会 我很兴奋 我不知道我 |
| 9 | inspired you for this I did not I had no idea. I've always wanted to tell you and I'm glad I | 我当时并不知道, 我一直想告诉你 我很高兴 |
| 10 | get to tell you in this way I grew up watching you and you made me believe that conversations | 你让我相信对话 |
| 11 | about consciousness and purpose could reach every person on the planet and that gave me so much | 关于意识和目的,可以到达 地球上每一个人, 这给了我这么多 |
| 12 | confidence as a young man that this was the work that was so deeply needed and so thank you so | 作为一个年轻人 相信这是非常需要的工作 所以谢谢你 |
| 13 | well look at what I did who knew that who knew that you know Maya Angelou said to me years ago | 看看我做了什么 谁知道谁知道 你认识玛雅·安杰卢 |
| 14 | when I'd come back from doing my school in South Africa the opening of the school and I was | 当我从南非的学校回来时 学校的开学,我 |
| 15 | she wasn't able to attend so I came directly from South Africa to Maya's house Jay and I was | 她不能出席 所以我直接从南非来到玛雅家 杰伊 |
| 16 | sitting at the kitchen table and she was teaching how to make biscuits and I said oh Maya the school | 坐在厨房桌边,她正在教 如何做饼干 我说哦玛雅学校 |
| 17 | is going to be so that school is going to be my legacy it's going to be incredible and she said | 学校将成为我的遗产 将是不可思议的 她说 |
| 18 | you have no idea what your legacy is going to be because your legacy is every life you touch your | 你根本不知道你的遗产会是什么 因为你的遗产是每一个你接触你的生命 |
| 19 | legacy isn't one thing your legacy is everybody who was moved to who watched your show who went | 遗产不是你的遗产之一 是所有被感动的人 谁看你的节目谁去了 |
| 20 | back to school who got out of a domestic violent relationship who changed the way they saw things | 回到学校后摆脱了家庭暴力关系 改变了他们的看法 |
| 21 | and so now I'm looking at you Jay Shetty a part of my legacy that that's the most wonderful and | 所以现在我看着你 Jay Shetty 我遗产的一部分,这是最美妙的, |
| 22 | beautiful thing to be a part of I'm so humbled and I meant every word but well thank you well | 成为我的一部分的美事,我太谦卑了 我是认真的每一个字,但很好谢谢你 |
| 23 | we're here today to talk about a big part of your legacy which I think is this beautiful book called | 我们今天在这里 谈论你遗产的一大部分 我认为这本美丽的书叫做 |
| 24 | What Happened to You that you've co-authored with Dr Bruce Perry who we'll be speaking to in a moment | 你和布鲁斯·派瑞博士合著了一篇 我们马上就要和他谈谈 |
| 25 | but I want to ask you how did you meet Dr Bruce Perry in the first place how did you connect | 但我想问你 你是怎么认识布鲁斯·佩里博士的 |
| 26 | and where did that relationship start your learning and your journey towards understanding | 那段感情从哪里开始的 学习和通往理解的旅程 |
| 27 | what happened to you well years ago in the late 80s early 90s on the Oprah show we met talking | 发生在你身上的事 早在80年代后期 90年代初 在奥普拉的节目上 |
| 28 | about early childhood development and how what you do with children from zero to six was the | 关于幼儿发展 以及你如何对待0到6岁的儿童 |
| 29 | most important years because you're really cooked by six you are who you're going to be that | 最重要的几年,因为你被六人煮熟了... ...你会成为那样的人 |
| 30 | personality is set and then I was working on a a bill that would require child abusers child | 人格被设定,然后我正在研究一个法案 要求虐待儿童的孩子 |
| 31 | molesters to have a database there would be a database for child molesters in the country and | 骚扰者要有一个数据库,该国将有一个儿童骚扰者数据库, |
| 32 | so I had I called Dr Bruce Perry and a bunch of authorities on child sexual violence to my house | 所以我给布鲁斯·佩里医生 和一群对儿童性暴力的当局打电话到我家 |
| 33 | there was a national child protection act that was signed that I went to Washington I think with | 有一份全国儿童保护法案 签署,我去了华盛顿 我想 |
| 34 | Bill Clinton and because in the early 90s there wasn't a database for all the all the child abusers | 比尔·克林顿和因为90年代早期 没有一个所有虐待儿童的数据库 |
| 35 | and you could just go across state to state lines and so I started working with him early when I | 你可以去州际线路 所以我很早就开始和他合作了 |
| 36 | opened my school in South Africa J taking girls from traumatized backgrounds who were | 在南非开办我的学校 J 收留受过创伤背景的女孩 |
| 37 | just like I was growing up who were smart who were passionate who wanted to succeed in their lives | 就像我长大了 聪明人 热情人 想要成功的生活 |
| 38 | but didn't have the means so I went from village to village to township choosing these girls | 但我没有办法 所以我从村到村到乡下 选择这些女孩 |
| 39 | I built this beautiful school I chose every sheet every towel I made it a beautiful aesthetic for | 我建造了这个美丽的学校 我选择了每张床单 每条毛巾 |
| 40 | them and I thought they're gonna just now have these magnificent lives well the first three days | 他们,我还以为他们 刚刚要过着美好的生活 在头三天 |
| 41 | girls were having really strange behaviors and like running out of the rooms and crying | 女孩有非常奇怪的行为 喜欢跑出房间和哭 |
| 42 | in the classrooms and having breakdowns I call Bruce Perry Dr Perry from South African said | 在教室里,我叫布鲁斯・派瑞医生 来自南非的派瑞医生说 |
| 43 | I don't know what is going on here I I and he said I think your girls are suffering from PTSD | 我不知道这是怎么回事 我和他说 我觉得你的姑娘们患有创伤后精神紧张症 |
| 44 | and I said how can that be nobody's been to war so he explained to me the way the brain works | 我说这怎么可能没人参过战 所以他向我解释大脑的运转方式 |
| 45 | if you've been raised in an environment where every day you're just worried about are you | 如果你是在一个环境中长大的 每天你只是担心你 |
| 46 | going to get food are you going to survive are your parents going to keep their jobs | 璶狥「 璶ㄓ盾 璶玂 |
| 47 | you're literally constantly in the state of anxiety and then you bring a child into an | 你一直处于焦虑状态 然后把孩子带到 |
| 48 | environment where they're not six people sleeping in the bed it's just you in the room you're alone | 他们睡在床上的不是六个人 只有你一个人在房间里 |
| 49 | that now causes anxiety because your brain isn't accustomed to operating in calm in discipline | 现在引起焦虑,因为你的大脑不习惯 平静地运行在纪律。 |
| 50 | in order and so that's when I started working with Bruce at my school so he's been | 我在学校开始和布鲁斯合作 所以他一直 |
| 51 | a major influence for me and then we did a story together for 60 minutes where this question of | 对我影响很大 然后我们一起做了60分钟的故事 |
| 52 | what happened to you came up where he said people always ask the question the wrong question when | 你出什么事了 他说人们总是问错问题 |
| 53 | they're dealing with children with behavioral issues they say what's wrong with that child | 他们处理孩子的行为问题 他们说孩子有什么问题 |
| 54 | instead of what happened to them and that was the biggest aha for me | 而不是发生在他们身上的事 那是我最大的叹息 |
| 55 | it is the biggest aha when when I heard you frame it in this book it's it's truly as I as I'm going | 当我在这本书里听到你陷害它的时候 这是最大的啊 |
| 56 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH | |
| 57 | share so many honest and open and vulnerable stories in this book what do you think was | 在这本书里 分享这么多诚实 公开 脆弱的故事 |
| 58 | something that you misunderstood or had an incomplete understanding of about trauma | 你误解或不完全理解创伤 |
| 59 | that has now become more complete or more deep oh what a great question Jay I thought trauma | 这已经变得更完整或更深 哦 多么伟大的问题 杰伊 我认为创伤 |
| 60 | prior to my conversations with Bruce in doing this book I thought trauma had to be a big gigantic | 在我和布鲁斯谈话之前 我想创伤一定很大 |
| 61 | thing experience you had to go through a tsunami literally a if not literally a tsunami a tsunami | 经历一场海啸 一场甚至一场海啸 |
| 62 | like crisis in your life a fire a hurricane a tragedy a car accident a stabbing somebody died | 就像你生活中的危机 一场大火 一场飓风 一场悲剧 一场车祸 一场刺伤的人死了 |
| 63 | and it was through co-authoring this book with him that I understood that it was the consistent | 并且正是通过与他共同撰写这本书,我才明白这是一贯的 |
| 64 | little things it was the aggressions and microaggressions in a person's life that | 在一个人的生活中的侵犯和微观侵犯 |
| 65 | causes them to have their own worldview whatever that worldview is for you is different from me | 让他们有自己的世界观 无论世界观是什么 你都和我不同 |
| 66 | so the biggest the biggest learning for me is that trauma doesn't have to have a great big | 所以对我最大的学习是 创伤不需要很大 |
| 67 | old capital t on it it's really how you were loved and that neglect and trauma are hand in hand | 老资本T 它真的是如何 爱你, 忽视和创伤是手牵手 |
| 68 | because both are equally as toxic and so I'd always you know just like you with your you know | 因为两者都一样有毒 所以我会永远知道 就像你和你一样 |
| 69 | millions of listeners I over the years of interviewing people it was my greatest classroom | 这几年我采访过很多人 数百万听众,这是我最好的教室 |
| 70 | I was always paying attention to what people were saying and paying attention to their lives | 我总是关注人们所说的话 关注他们的生活 |
| 71 | and what I understood and could articulate not through science but just through my own | 以及我所理解和能够表达的 不是通过科学 而是通过我自己 |
| 72 | observation is that oh people are as dysfunctional as unhappy as disoriented in their lives based on | 观察是,OH 人功能失调 和不快乐 和他们的生活 迷惑基于 |
| 73 | how far they are from the center of themselves and the center is where wholeness lies as you know | 他们离自我中心有多远 中心是你们知道的 完整的中心 |
| 74 | and so where there is no where there is no center and there is no sense of wholeness | 所以在没有中心的地方 没有完整的感觉 |
| 75 | and love for yourself there's going to be a disarray chaos confusion and you know dysfunction | 和爱自己 会有混乱的混乱 混乱的混乱 你知道功能失调 |
| 76 | in your life and I saw that over and over and over again that people behave based on how they | 我一遍又一遍地看到 人们的行为 |
| 77 | were loved and then how they were able to process that that in a way to love other people and so | 被爱,然后他们是如何 处理这一点的方式爱别人,所以 |
| 78 | Bruce just gave me the science for that what this book did is gave me the science for it | 布鲁斯刚刚给了我科学,因为这本书所做的就是给我科学 |
| 79 | I love that I think it's a brilliant distinction between you know what we think is trauma and what | 我喜欢,我认为这是一个辉煌的区别 你知道什么我们认为是创伤和什么 |
| 80 | trauma can be for all of us I have one last question I want to ask you before we dive in | 伤痛会波及我们所有人 在我们潜入之前 我还有最后一个问题想问你 |
| 81 | to the conversation with Dr Bruce Perry it's this idea you've interviewed so many influential | 在和布鲁斯·佩里博士的谈话中 你采访了很多有影响力的人 |
| 82 | successful people and people of all different backgrounds and walks of life and so often their | 不同背景和各行各业的成功人民和人民, |
| 83 | success is actually built on their trauma and so their success doesn't often satisfy them what have | 成功其实是建立在他们的创伤上 所以他们的成功并不经常满足他们 |
| 84 | you seen has been that transition when they go beyond their success they heal their trauma to | 你所看到的是,当他们超越成功的时候, 他们的创伤愈合到 |
| 85 | actually find true success for themselves that's deep layered complex question so this is what I | 找到真正的成功,这是 深层复杂的问题 所以这就是我 |
| 86 | this is where there's many layers to that what I what I realize is that if you come into success | 这里有很多层次,我意识到 如果你成功 |
| 87 | and fame in particularly fame because fame is its own world and definition because it really is based | 和名声 特别是名声 因为名声是它自己的世界 和定义 因为它真的基于 |
| 88 | upon what other people think of you so because fame isn't what you think of yourself it's what | 别人怎么看你 因为名声不是你想的那样 |
| 89 | other people think of you when if you come into that and you don't have a grounded centered self | 别人会想到你 如果你进到那个... ...你没有被禁足的自我 |
| 90 | you will be controlled by the outside instead of the inside and if you come into that not in the | 你会被外部控制 而不是内在 如果你没有进入 |
| 91 | fullness of knowing who you are and what you're supposed to do with that fame it whenever somebody | 完全知道你是谁,你应该做什么 用那个名声,每当有人 |
| 92 | likes you or doesn't like you that determines whether or not you're having a good day or a | 喜欢你还是不喜欢你 决定你是否过得愉快 |
| 93 | bad day and you are you have lost control of your your own life so I think what fame teaches you | 糟糕的一天,你是 你失去了控制你自己的生活 所以我认为什么名声教你 |
| 94 | quickly is to grow the wholeness within yourself so that you're not controlled by others outside | 很快的,就是在自己身体里成长 以免被外面的人控制 |
| 95 | opinions of you that is a beautiful answer and and I think it will resonate with so many because | 你的观点是一个美丽的答案 我认为它会与这么多的反响 因为 |
| 96 | so many of us are on that journey to you know be successful or be famous or be rich or whatever | 所以,我们很多人在旅途中 你知道成功 或出名 或富有或什么的 |
| 97 | it may be but to hear it from that perspective is is truly refreshing and I was gonna I was | 也许吧,但从这个角度来听它 是真正令人振奋的,我本来想 |
| 98 | gonna say this to you and why I was so happy to see this book being released what happened | 我要跟你说这些 为何我很高兴看到这本书被公布 发生了什么事 |
| 99 | to you for anyone who's listening right now is because we have a mutual friend who I won't | 对你来说,任何人 谁正在听 因为我们有一个共同的朋友 谁我不会 |
| 100 | mention right now but we have a mutual friend and he said to me that once he asked you a question | 提到现在,但我们有一个共同的朋友 他对我说,一旦他问你一个问题 |
| 101 | and his question was Oprah what do you know to be true out of everything you've heard what do you | 他的问题是奥普拉 你知道什么是真实的 |
| 102 | know to be true and he told me that the answer you said to him was that whatever a child | 他告诉我 你告诉他的答案是 不管孩子是谁 |
| 103 | experiences from zero to five is going to define how they live out the rest of their life and so | 从零到五的体验 将决定他们如何度过余生 |
| 104 | he shared that with me a few years ago and then when I saw this book come I go finally we actually | 几年前他和我分享了这个 然后当我看到这本书的到来 我终于走了 |
| 105 | have an answer like we have that I so believe that and and I just think that that is such a | 答案就像我们有 我是如此相信, 我只是认为,这是这样一个 |
| 106 | true true statement I'm not a parent yet but uh when I am I'll definitely be trying my best | 真实的口供,我还不是父母 但当我是,嗯... 我一定会尽力 |
| 107 | to practice you'll know that those younger years the the younger the younger the children are | 练习,你会知道,那些年轻 年龄越小的孩子是 |
| 108 | the more influence you have not only on who they become but on what their brain becomes | 你不仅对她们变成什么人 而且对她们的大脑变成什么 |
| 109 | because if you're surrounded by chaos and dysfunction and loudness and disorder at a | 因为如果你被 混乱和功能障碍 以及喧闹和混乱包围 |
| 110 | zero to two months it means the synapse in your brain doesn't form in the way that it does in | 0到2个月意味着你大脑的突触 不像它那样形成 |
| 111 | children who have had that and you are more likely for behavioral problems health problems | 有过这种病的孩子,而你更容易出现行为问题 |
| 112 | all other problems in life just because you didn't get what you needed from zero to two months that | 生活中的所有其他问题 只是因为你没有得到 从零到两个月你需要的东西 |
| 113 | is what is so amazing it's crazy Oprah I'm gonna ask you a fast five these questions have to be | 这太神奇了,奥普拉,我要问你五个问题 |
| 114 | answered in one word or one sentence maximum so they're super tight uh Oprah Winfrey these are | 用一个词或一个句子回答,所以他们是超紧的 额Oprah Winfrey 这些是 |
| 115 | your fast five the first question is what is the best advice you've ever received | 第一个问题,你得到的最好的建议是什么? |
| 116 | when people show you who they are believe them the first time for my angelou | 当人们告诉你 他们是谁 他们相信 他们第一次为我的天使卢 |
| 117 | beautiful okay second what is the worst advice you've ever received a lawyer told me not to | 好极了,第二,什么是最糟糕的建议 你曾经收到一个律师告诉我不要 |
| 118 | purchase hana hana was for sale I mean hana the city of hana 5000 acres were for sale and I had | 买哈纳哈纳是出售的 我的意思是哈纳市 5000英亩是出售的 而我有 |
| 119 | a lawyer who told me not to do it amazing okay uh question um that's another another day another | 律师告诉我不要做 令人惊奇的,嗯... ...问题是,嗯... |
| 120 | story okay another question number three um what is something that people value that you no longer | 故事还行 第三个问题 是什么是人们所珍视的 |
| 121 | value cars I went through my car phase I went through my car phase I have had every kind of | 我经历了我的汽车阶段 我经历了我的汽车阶段 |
| 122 | car and now I don't care now I'm getting around on a scooter I love that okay literally uh | 汽车,现在我不在乎了 我现在在坐一辆我爱的摩托车 |
| 123 | question number four uh one lesson or breakthrough from this book you really | 问题四... ...呃... ... |
| 124 | want people to understand I want people to understand most importantly that when you | 希望人们能理解 我希望人们能理解 |
| 125 | are arguing with a friend and they act like they can't hear you because they're arguing so strongly | 和朋友争吵 他们表现得好像听不到你 因为他们争吵得如此激烈 |
| 126 | back at you they really can't because of the way the brain is structured so when you're in fear | 回到你身边 他们真的不能 因为大脑的结构 所以当你害怕的时候 |
| 127 | mode anxiety mode when you're really amped up you just need to both of you need to calm down | 模式焦虑模式,当你真的加速了,你只需要 你们两个需要冷静下来 |
| 128 | take a walk take a break and come back that's that's huge understand and also the thing the | 出去走走,休息一下,然后回来 这是巨大的理解,还有一件事 |
| 129 | thing that I just shared with you earlier is that you think you are protecting your children or you | 我之前跟你分享的是 你以为你在保护你的孩子还是你 |
| 130 | that you are being okay when you're doing destructive things around your young children | 当你在幼童身边 做破坏性的事时,你会好起来的 |
| 131 | when that is really when literally they don't have the language but they're taking in the | 当他们真的没有语言的时候, 他们正在接受 |
| 132 | energy and the frequency and they're absorbing it all and fifth and final question that I'm going | 能量和频率,他们正在吸收 这一切,也是最后一个问题,我要去 |
| 133 | to ask you if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow what would | 问您是否可以制定一条法律 世界上每个人都必须遵循 |
| 134 | it be it would be a law that allowed for at least 12 minutes of stillness every day just for people | 法律允许每天至少12分钟的静静时间 只为人们 |
| 135 | to calm to themselves that's what it would be thank you so much Oprah I can't wait to meet you | 冷静下来,这就是它会是什么 感谢你这么多奥普拉 我迫不及待地见到你。 |
| 136 | I look forward to it and I'm so grateful for this time with you thank you so much I recently had | 我期待着它,我非常感谢这次与你 感谢这么多我最近有 |
| 137 | 现在我要和Oprah和Perry博士分享 | |
| 138 | all of you this was an exclusive event that I was invited to host and I'm getting to give our on | 你们都是这个独家活动,我被邀请来主持... ...我要开始 |
| 139 | purpose listeners exclusive access to listen to it right now thank you so much and make sure you | 目的听众现在只能收听了 非常感谢你,确保你 |
| 140 | leave a review makes a huge difference to on purpose | 留一个检讨 与目的有很大不同 |
| 141 | hello everyone thank you so much for being here with us this evening I am so excited to welcome | 大家好 非常感谢你们今晚能来 我很高兴欢迎你们 |
| 142 | you all to the first virtual book event for what happened to you my name is Jay Shetty and I will | 你们都参加第一次虚拟书刊活动 因为你们身上发生的事 我叫Jay Shetty 我会的 |
| 143 | be your host tonight along with our friends at books a magic bookstore out of Brooklyn | 今晚做你的主持人 和书里的朋友一起 布鲁克林的一家魔法书店 |
| 144 | and semicolon bookstore in Chicago I feel extremely honored and grateful to have this | 芝加哥的分号书店 我感到非常荣幸和感激 |
| 145 | opportunity to interview Dr Bruce Perry and Oprah the book came out today so I know none of you have | 有机会采访布鲁斯·佩里博士和奥普拉 这本书今天出版 所以我知道你们谁都没有 |
| 146 | read the book yet but this conversation will prepare you to truly allow this book to enter | 读了这本书,但这次谈话会让你真正 允许这本书进入 |
| 147 | into your hearts and minds and inspire you to take out some time for stillness to experience every | 并激励你抽出一些时间 静静地体验每一个 |
| 148 | single word when you read it but I was fortunate enough to receive an early copy and I have to | 你读的时候只说一个字 但我很幸运能收到一份早期的拷贝 |
| 149 | tell you it's phenomenal the stories the studies and the steps inside this book will truly help you | 告诉你,这是惊人的故事 研究 和书中的台阶 会真正帮助你 |
| 150 | heal build resilience and help others that you love so much I can't wait for you to read it | 帮助你所爱的其他人 我等不及让你看 |
| 151 | and without further ado let me introduce you to the co-authors of this groundbreaking work | 请允许我向大家介绍这一开创性作品的共同作者 |
| 152 | Dr Bruce Perry is a renowned brain and trauma expert who spent the last 30 years researching | Bruce Perry博士是一位知名的脑创伤专家 他花了30年时间研究 |
| 153 | children's mental health and of course Oprah Winfrey the person whom I was fortunate enough | 孩子们的精神健康 当然还有奥普拉·温弗雷 我幸运的人 |
| 154 | to watch growing up and what happened to me Oprah was I got to see you change lives every day | 看着自己长大 我奥普拉的下场是 我每天都要看到你改变生活 |
| 155 | so you have led the way for so many of us to benefit from the work of scientists and thinkers | 所以你们带领我们中很多人 从科学家和思想家的作品中获益 |
| 156 | like Dr Perry whose life-changing work is the reason we're here today welcome Dr Bruce Perry | 就像佩里博士 他改变生命的工作 是我们今天来这里的原因 欢迎布鲁斯·佩里博士 |
| 157 | and Oprah excited to be here excited to be here and especially excited to be here for | 和奥普拉兴奋在这里 兴奋在这里 特别兴奋在这里 |
| 158 | books are magic and semicolon in uh in Chicago because I love uh going to my own local bookstores | 书是魔术和分号 在芝加哥,因为我喜欢 呃去我自己的书店 |
| 159 | and love the support that bookstores bring to the community and love that we are all able to be | 爱书店给社区带来的支持 爱我们都能成为的 |
| 160 | supportive of our local bookstores Jay so excited that you're excited about the book | 支持我们本地的书店 Jay如此兴奋 你对这本书很兴奋 |
| 161 | I'm excited that you're excited I'm very excited I'm extremely excited and Dr Perry thank you so | 我很兴奋,你很兴奋 我非常兴奋,佩里博士,谢谢你 |
| 162 | much for this opportunity it's my pleasure I'm happy to be here and I'm also excited that you | 为了这个机会,我很高兴能来这里 我也很高兴你 |
| 163 | like the book because as you probably know when you work on a project for a long long long time | 喜欢这本书 因为你可能知道 当你在一个项目上工作了很长时间 |
| 164 | you lose perspective on how it's perceived so it's I think it'll be fun to see how people | 你失去了对感觉的看法 所以我觉得看到人们的感受会很有趣 |
| 165 | like it over the next week yeah because stories and science it's stories and science stories and | 下周喜欢它 是的 因为故事和科学 |
| 166 | science and that's what I loved about it that this book was in fact a conversation or multiple | 科学,这就是我喜欢的 这本书事实上是一个谈话或多重 |
| 167 | conversations and today we get to have this first conversation so I want to start off | 今天我们开始第一次谈话 所以我想开始 |
| 168 | with a question that actually comes from one of these beautiful paragraphs that you both start | 一个问题,实际上来自 这些美丽的段落之一 你们俩开始 |
| 169 | the book with and if you don't mind I'd love to read from it and this section says do I have your | 如果你不介意的话,我愿意从书里读一下 这一部分说,我有你的 |
| 170 | permission both of you if I could please yes so you you both say this book is for anyone with a | 如果你们都说这本书是给任何人的 |
| 171 | mother father partner or child who may have experienced trauma and if you've ever had labels | 父亲的伴侣或孩子 可能经历过创伤 如果你曾经有过标签 |
| 172 | like people pleaser self-sabotager disruptive argumentative checked out | 就像人们取悦 自我破坏者 破坏性的争论 检查出来 |
| 173 | can't hold a job or bad at relationships used to describe you or your loved ones this book | 不能在描述你或你所爱的人的关系中 持有一份工作或糟糕的书 |
| 174 | is for you now I don't know anyone who's never been told one of those things I know I've heard | 对你来说,现在我不认识任何人 谁从来没有告诉过那些事情,我知道我听说过 |
| 175 | some of them myself as well and we've all heard those labels and I want to ask you both this first | 我也听过这些标签 我想先问你们俩 |
| 176 | question to start with is why is it so important to make this switch from us thinking what is wrong | 首先要问的是,为什么我们想着什么是错的 |
| 177 | with you to what happened to you well let me answer that because I first came across this question | 让我来回答你的问题 因为我第一次碰到这个问题 |
| 178 | of what's happened what what what happened to you when I was doing an interview with Dr. | 我接受医生采访时你怎么了 |
| 179 | Bruce Perry a couple of years ago for 60 minutes story I was doing now I've known Dr. Perry for | 布鲁斯·派瑞几年前讲了60分钟的故事 我认识派瑞博士 |
| 180 | over 30 years I first started interviewing him in the early 90s late 80s early 90s on the Oprah show | 30多年前 我开始采访他 在早期90年代 晚80年代 早期90年代 在奥普拉节目 |
| 181 | when we were talking about raising children and how important it is those first zero to six years | 当我们谈论 抚养孩子, 有多重要 这是第一0到六年 |
| 182 | so I've been hearing about what it means to nurture and support the brain early on it wasn't until that | 所以我一直听说 早期培养和支持大脑意味着什么 |
| 183 | conversation a couple of years ago I don't know whether I think it's because of where I was in my | 几年前的谈话 我不知道是不是因为我当时的状态 |
| 184 | life at the time I opened a school in South Africa I've had these wonderful brilliant girls who come | 那时我在南非开了所学校 我和这些优秀的姑娘们在一起 |
| 185 | from traumatic backgrounds grow up and have really serious mental health issues and I was trying to | 从创伤背景成长 并有严重的精神健康问题 我试图 |
| 186 | at the time figure out what are we doing wrong at our school something's really wrong here | 那时候我们学校做错什么了 这里真的有问题 |
| 187 | and in that interview with Dr. Perry he said you know most people ask the question | 在Perry医生的采访中 他说你知道大多数人会问问题 |
| 188 | when kids are not behaving the way you want them to behave of what's wrong with them | 当孩子们不按你所希望的方式行事时... ... |
| 189 | we really should be asking about what's happened to you and something went | и痷赣拜或ㄆ |
| 190 | in my brain it was like a major moment like I got it in a way that I hadn't received it before | 在我的大脑里,这就像一个重要的时刻 就像我得到了它的方式 我从来没有收到它之前 |
| 191 | and I realized that it's not just for children that you ask that question but it's really everybody | 我意识到 你问那个问题不仅仅是孩子的问题 而是每个人 |
| 192 | and that moment Bruce as I've said to you many times Dr. Perry changed the way I saw my | 布鲁斯,我跟你说过很多次 派瑞博士改变了我的看法 |
| 193 | relationships how I saw my own life how I interacted with people and even in politics | 我如何看待自己的生活 如何与人互动 甚至从政 |
| 194 | where it was so crazy in the past four years and everybody's always talking about what's wrong | 过去4年里太疯狂了 每个人都在谈论什么是错的 |
| 195 | what's wrong what's wrong I would always say I wonder what happened to that person I wonder what | 出什么事了? 出什么事了? 我总是会说,我想知道 发生了什么事的人,我想知道 |
| 196 | happened to them younger that caused them to be this way so all of the labels that you just gave | 发生在他们年轻的时候 导致他们变成这样 所以所有你刚给的标签 |
| 197 | Jay there there's a world of labels there is you know overachiever there's you know obsessive | 杰伊,有世界的标签, 你知道超成绩,有你知道的迷恋 |
| 198 | compulsive moms soccer moms there is the desire to you know please people all the time there's | 强迫的妈妈们 足球妈妈们... ... ...... |
| 199 | a multiple multiple multiple multiple labels that refer back to what happened to us and so I will | 一个多个多个标签, 指回 发生在我们身上的事情, 所以我会 |
| 200 | just say this one of the things that Bruce says in the book each of us comes into the world with | 就说布鲁斯在书里说的话 我们每个人都带着 |
| 201 | our own worldview and that worldview is actually shaped from the crib and you get from the world | 我们自己的世界观,世界观其实是 由婴儿床塑造的,你从世界得到的 |
| 202 | what you project into the world and you project into the world what you were raised with and what | 你投射到世界 投射到世界 投射到世界 投射到你的成长 |
| 203 | you were raised around so that's why what happened to you is the essential question so beautifully | 你被抚养长大了 所以你身上发生的事 是个非常漂亮的问题 |
| 204 | said and I wish my brain had aha moments that sound like that opera too so | 说,我希望我的大脑 有哈片刻 听起来像歌剧太 |
| 205 | I love that and Dr Perry I'd love to hear your thoughts | 我喜欢,派瑞博士... ...我想听听你的想法 |
| 206 | well I come at this from a slightly different perspective because I have a long history of | 好吧,我从一个稍有不同的角度来看待这个 因为我有很长的历史 |
| 207 | being a history fan and had studied history growing up and was very well aware of the | 成为历史的粉丝 并且从小学习历史 |
| 208 | relationship between the things that happened in the past playing a major role in how things | 过去发生的事情之间的关系 如何在事物中发挥重要作用 |
| 209 | were functioning currently and I think that that's I think most people are able to kind of make that | 我觉得大多数人都能做出这样的决定 |
| 210 | connection but as I became a biologist and learned about the development of the human body and the | 但随着我成为生物学家 并了解了人体和人类的发育 |
| 211 | human brain it became clear that we have our own personal history and that the things that happened | 人类的大脑显然有我们自己的个人历史 以及所发生的事情 |
| 212 | in our life shape the systems in our brain that influence how we think about things how we feel | 影响我们思考事物的系统 |
| 213 | about things and how we behave and it really it leads to a completely different approach | 关于事物和我们的行为, 它真的导致一个完全不同的方法 |
| 214 | to getting to know somebody you're you you enter the interaction with a curious mindset you're | 以好奇的心态进入互动 |
| 215 | curious about like what what's going on I mean and and it really I think is as Oprah says it | 好奇什么是发生了什么事 我的意思是,它真的 我认为就像奥普拉说 |
| 216 | really opens up this new perspective on understanding a person you can be much more empathic with them | 真正打开这个新视角 了解一个人 你可以更同情他们 |
| 217 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}而不是这么有判断力 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}对啊 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}对啊 | |
| 218 | illuminated in this book is is so subtle but it's so powerful because it removes that judgment it | 书中讲的很微妙,但是很有力,因为它消除了判断力 |
| 219 | removes that negative observation that criticism that that fear that people feel on the receiving | 消除了这种负面的观察,即那些担心人们在接收者身上感受到的批评。 |
| 220 | end of that as well to me just that switch of question is is so powerful so what I want to do | 对我而言,问题之交太强 所以我想做的 |
| 221 | now is I want to ask you both questions throughout the different chapters of the books as no one | 现在我想问你们两个问题 在书的不同章节,没有人 |
| 222 | really has it till today and I'd like to start with you Dr. Perry and ask you what what happened | 真的有它直到今天 我想从你开始 Perry博士 问你发生了什么 |
| 223 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}让你学习儿童创伤的灵感 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你知道你的旅程是从哪里开始的 为什么 | |
| 224 | become so important to you because obviously this is something that you've done for decades | 变得如此重要,因为很明显 这是你已经做了几十年的事情 |
| 225 | tell us about the beginning of that journey well it started kind of randomly because when I went | 告诉我们那段旅程的开始... ... ...... |
| 226 | to college at Stanford they have a freshman seminar process where they take incoming freshmen | 在斯坦福大学 他们有一个大一的研讨会程序 他们收新生 |
| 227 | and they assign them to some eminent faculty member and then for every week for the whole year | 并且他们指派给一些杰出的教职员工 然后在一年中每周一次 |
| 228 | you meet with that person and you get to know their work and have conversations it's a great | 你和那个人见面,你开始了解他们的工作, 并有交谈,这是伟大的 |
| 229 | experience and I was randomly assigned to Seymour Levine who is the grandfather and now great | 经验与我随机分配到西摩莱文 他是爷爷 现在伟大的 |
| 230 | grandfather of almost all of the big stress researchers in our field and he had just | 我们领域几乎所有大压力研究者的祖父 他刚刚 |
| 231 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}一直在做一系列研究 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你怎么能拿一只小老鼠 | |
| 232 | and give it a tiny little bit of stress handling stress you just take it out of the litter | 并给它一点点的压力 处理压力 你只是把它从垃圾 |
| 233 | hold it and then put it back after a certain period of time and then let the animal grow up | 等会再放回去 让动物长大 |
| 234 | and then when they looked at those animals their brain was very different than the brains of | 然后当他们看着这些动物时 他们的大脑和大脑大不相同 |
| 235 | animals that didn't have that tiny little stress and I thought that was stunning that you can have | 动物没有那么小的压力 我认为这是惊人的 你可以有 |
| 236 | an experience that was literally minutes long and it would influence in a lifelong way the functioning | 经历的时间是几分钟, 它会影响 终生的功能 |
| 237 | of this really critical set of systems in your brain that are involved in how every organ in | 大脑中的这组非常关键的系统 涉及到每个器官在 |
| 238 | your body functions and from that point forward I was studying the development of the stress response | 你的身体功能,从此我研究了压力反应的发展 |
| 239 | systems in animals and then got into clinical work and it's interesting you know going back | 动物体内的系统,然后进入临床工作 很有趣,你知道回去 |
| 240 | to what Oprah said about labels when you go into mental health and start to get trained | 对Oprah说的标签 当你进入心理健康 并开始接受培训 |
| 241 | there is a manual that people use the DSM and it's full of labels and it's based on the symptoms | 有一本手册,人们使用DSM, 它满是标签,它基于症状 |
| 242 | that somebody has and basically it's a big book that says what's wrong with you and it doesn't | 有人有一本大书 说出了你有什么毛病 却没有 |
| 243 | say what happened to you and so I was a developmentalist and I had been studying the brain and I went into | 告诉你发生了什么 所以我是个发展主义者 我一直在研究大脑 |
| 244 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我只想等一分钟 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}有30种不同的方式 | |
| 245 | inattentive you know you can have attention problems from hyperthyroidism and developmental | 你知不知道你可能会有超甲状腺病和发育引起的注意力问题 |
| 246 | trauma and you know lead toxicity and all kinds of things we need to ask you know we need to get to | 你知道铅的毒性 以及我们需要问的各种事情 |
| 247 | know the people that were giving these labels and if we did that I think that we would stop giving | 了解那些给这些标签的人 如果我们这样做,我认为我们会停止给予 |
| 248 | them labels and start giving them some solutions absolutely absolutely thank you so much for sharing | 并开始给他们一些解决方案 绝对感谢大家分享 |
| 249 | that and Oprah as you were saying earlier it's the book is full of stories and the science and | 你刚才说的奥普拉 这本书充满了故事和科学 |
| 250 | when I was reading about your own childhood stories and trauma traumas in this book it's | 当我在书里读到你的童年故事和创伤 |
| 251 | it's difficult at times and it's challenging but at the same time your level of honesty and | 有时候很困难,也很困难 但与此同时,你的诚实程度和 |
| 252 | transparency is is genuinely such an inspiration for myself and countless other people who are | 透明度对于我本人和无数其他人来说,确实是一种激励。 |
| 253 | struggling as well and you know when I was diving into the book there were there were moments where | 你也知道当我跳进书里的时候 曾经有几刻 |
| 254 | I just I was so grateful to you for what you shared and you know you open up about a story | 我只是非常感激你分享的东西 你知道你打开了一个故事 |
| 255 | about how your grandmother used to whip you over the smallest most insignificant things like | 你外婆以前是怎么把你鞭打到 最无关紧要的地方的 |
| 256 | spilling a glass of water and this host right exactly breaking a plate and this harsh | 洒出一杯水 和这个主机 正好打破一个盘子 和这严酷的 |
| 257 | this harsh behavior was normal for you as a kid and you said something in the book that really | 你小时候的这种粗暴行为很正常 你在书里说了一些真的 |
| 258 | stood out to me you said that the long-term impact of being whipped turned you into a world-class | 你说被鞭打的长期影响 把你变成世界一流 |
| 259 | people pleaser for most of your life I want to know how did you become aware of that connection | 你一生中的大部分时间,我想知道 你是如何意识到这种联系的 |
| 260 | between that experience as a child and how it was being lived today and how did that start to help | 童年时期的经历 以及今天的生活状况 |
| 261 | you on your journey well thank you so much I'm so moved that you were touched by that story because | 非常感谢,我好感动,你被那个故事感动了 因为... |
| 262 | I until I was a full-grown adult and I met my best friend Gail Gail was the first black person | 直到我长大成人 我遇见了我最好的朋友盖尔·盖尔 是第一个黑人 |
| 263 | I ever met who wasn't whipped as a child I mean she was the first person I ever encountered so | 我见过谁没有被鞭打 作为一个孩子,我的意思是她是我遇到的第一个人 |
| 264 | it is a part of the black culture to not just spank your children almost everybody you run into | 黑文化的一部分 不只是打你的孩子的屁股 几乎所有你遇到的人 |
| 265 | of a certain age was whipped as a child so that was such the norm for me that writing about it | 我小时候被鞭打过,所以我写这个故事的规矩就是这样 |
| 266 | for the first time is the first time I actually recognized oh this is not a normal thing | 第一次是我第一次真正认识到 哦,这不是一个正常的事情 |
| 267 | so to really I was in a boardroom having to confront someone in my 40s | 所以,真的,我在一个董事会 不得不面对一个人 在我40多岁 |
| 268 | and I had so much anxiety about the fact that I was going to have to have this confrontation | 我对这次对抗深感焦虑 |
| 269 | with somebody in a just just just the most normal disagreements would cause me a great sense of | 与某个人 在一个刚刚 只是最正常的分歧 会给我一个伟大的感觉 |
| 270 | angst and worry and oh my god and what's going to happen and I just said what where is this coming | 愤怒和担心,哦,我的上帝, 将会发生什么,我只是说,这是怎么回事 |
| 271 | from what what why am I so afraid when I am the one in the power seat I am Oprah Winfrey | 为何我如此害怕 当我在权力席位上 我是奥普拉·温弗雷 |
| 272 | running the Harpo studios my name spelled backwards I'm the person in charge and in | 管理哈波工作室 我的名字倒写着 我是主管和在 |
| 273 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我非常愤怒 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我意识到杰伊 | |
| 274 | that even though I had the power I still felt that every confrontation I was going to get a whipping | 尽管我拥有力量,我仍然觉得 每一次对峙,我都会受到鞭打 |
| 275 | that a whipping was going to result that that thing that that used to come up inside me when | 鞭打会导致那个东西 它曾经出现在我体内,当 |
| 276 | I had to walk to get my own switch oh where is this feeling coming I'm feeling like in every | 我不得不走去得到我自己的开关 哦,这种感觉将到来 |
| 277 | confrontation I'm going to get a whip in and at the end of it that person's going to be mad at me | 对抗,我会得到鞭子 在它的最后 那个人会生我的气 |
| 278 | and at the end of it that person's going to say you better not act like you're mad you know all | 最后那个人会说 你最好别表现得像疯了一样 |
| 279 | the things that happened to me as a kid so it wasn't until I was a full-grown adult in my own | 小时候发生的事情 直到我长大成人 |
| 280 | seat of you know perceived power feeling those feelings of anxiety and anxiousness having to | 在座的各位知道感知的力量 感受到那些焦虑和焦虑的感觉 |
| 281 | have the slightest bit of confrontation so what I say in what happened to me is that being beaten | 有一点对峙,所以我所说的话 就是被打 |
| 282 | as a child having to be subservient to other people's ideals of what it means to be a child | 小时候必须服从别人的理想 做孩子意味着什么 |
| 283 | meaning you are seen and not heard so I've grown up to have this big personality but being raised | 意思是,你被看见了,没有听到 所以我长大了,有这样一个大个性,但被抚养长大 |
| 284 | in an environment where children are seen and not heard and your opinions do not matter so what | 在儿童被看见和不听话的环境中,你的意见并不重要,那又怎样? |
| 285 | happened to me taught me that my opinions do not matter keep your opinions to yourself and do | 我教过我,我的意见 并不关你的事 |
| 286 | whatever you can to please other people so that other people will like you so that other people | 尽你所能去取悦其他人 这样其他人就会喜欢你 这样其他人 |
| 287 | will not be upset with you and I will have to tell you it is also for me not for everybody else | 不会再生你的气了 我必须告诉你 这对我也是,对其他人也是 |
| 288 | but for me one of the reasons why I was so susceptible to sexual abuse because I had been | 但对我来说,原因之一 我如此容易受到性虐待 因为我曾经是 |
| 289 | taught and trained not to speak up for myself that whatever somebody wanted to do who was older | 教导和训练自己不要为自己说话 不管别人想做什么 年长的人 |
| 290 | than me or in a position of authority that they had rights I that I did not so that what happened | 而不是我,或者在权威的地位 他们有权利... ... |
| 291 | to me was ingrained in a way that you know literally caused me to be a major people pleaser | 对我来说,是用一种你知道的方式 真正地让我成为一个伟大的人 |
| 292 | for for a great deal of my life thank you for sharing that that full journey and just | 感谢你们分享我一生的全部经历 |
| 293 | I really gravitate towards that statement you said around how we when we normalize something | 我非常赞成你说的 当我们把事情正常化的时候 |
| 294 | we don't actually even recognize the trauma in it we don't even realize that it that there's | 我们甚至没有意识到 里面的创伤 我们甚至没有意识到 |
| 295 | anything it was just normal to you you just expected it and I think that really brings us | 任何对你来说只是正常的 你只是期待它, 我认为这真的给我们带来了 |
| 296 | nicely Dr Perry to this this thought about what's something you talk about how we're loved in the | 佩里博士,我很高兴你想到了什么 你所谈论的 我们是如何在爱 |
| 297 | book and you know you say that a common phrase people use whenever a child acts out is that | 书,你知道,你说,一个常见的短语 人们使用每当一个孩子的行为出来是 |
| 298 | he or she must not have been loved as a child right and in the book you go on to explain that | 他或她一定没有 被爱作为一个孩子的权利, 在书中你继续解释 |
| 299 | how it isn't a matter of how many hugs and kisses you received as a kid so for the parents watching | 你小时候接过多少个拥抱和亲吻 才让父母看 |
| 300 | and I'm sure there are many parents watching and for those of you who are watching right now and | 我敢肯定,有很多家长在看 而你们中的那些正在看 |
| 301 | enjoying this conversation I highly recommend to make sure that you go and order yourself a | 我强烈建议你们自己去订 |
| 302 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这本书的复制品 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}但你们中那些在看书的人 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}还有派瑞博士 | |
| 303 | what should parents be thinking about differently or doing differently that many of them may be | 父母应该如何思考 不同的或做不同的 他们中的许多人可能是 |
| 304 | missing today and the idea of wanting to give love and often our perspective on what love is | 和想要给爱的想法 经常我们对爱是什么的看法 |
| 305 | or our definition of what love is feels like hugs and kisses well first of all to clarify love | 或我们定义什么是爱 感觉像拥抱和亲吻 首先澄清爱 |
| 306 | hugs and kisses are nice things and they can be part of a really positive loving environment | 拥抱和亲吻是美好的事物,它们可以成为真正积极的爱环境的一部分 |
| 307 | but one of the things about the brain is that these systems in our brain that allow us to form | 但大脑的其中一件事是 我们大脑中的这些系统 使我们能够形成 |
| 308 | relationships and maintain them in a healthy way the systems that allow us to love and be empathic | 关系,以健康的方式维持 能够让我们爱和同情的系统 |
| 309 | and become ultimately humane these systems develop like any other system in the brain that require | 并且最终成为人性化的系统 发展起来就像大脑中任何其他需要的系统 |
| 310 | repetition repetition repetition that when you want to get better at piano you have to practice | 重复,重复, 当你想得到更好的 钢琴,你必须练习 |
| 311 | your piano when you want to get better at reading you need to read and read and read and if you want | 钢琴,你想读得更好 你需要读,读,读 如果你想 |
| 312 | to develop the capacity to form a healthy loving relationship you need lots of tiny little doses | 培养能力 形成健康的爱情关系 你需要很多微小的剂量 |
| 313 | of attentive attuned responsive nurturing interaction with people around you and you know | 与你身边的人的亲切互动 |
| 314 | a lot of people grow up and and again this is this this is language that's not uncommon in our world | 很多人都长大了, 再说一遍,这是我们这个世界上 并不罕见的语言 |
| 315 | is that it's the quality and not the quantity you know so if you give your child a little quality | 这是质量,而不是你知道的数量 所以如果你给你的孩子一个小质量 |
| 316 | time then that is somehow supposed to overcome the fact that you're gone for five days of the | 时间是该克服 你离开五天的事实 |
| 317 | week and it just doesn't it doesn't do that you know children need your presence even if it's your | 一周,它只是不这样做 你知道孩子们需要你的存在,即使是你的 |
| 318 | neutral presence and they come over and they give you a hug and they wander away they come over and | 中立的出现,他们过来, 他们给你一个拥抱,他们走开,他们过来, |
| 319 | they ask a question they wander away and they need lots of tiny little doses of positive interaction | 他们问一个问题 他们走开 他们需要很多微小的剂量 积极的互动 |
| 320 | and now one of the challenges in our modern world is that we have so many isolated single | 现在,我们现代世界的挑战之一是,我们有许多孤立的单人 |
| 321 | caregivers parents who may have multiple children who need that and since in the modern world we've | 照顾父母,他们可能有多个孩子 需要,从此,在现代世界 |
| 322 | moved away from having aunties and grandparents and neighbors playing a role in this sort of | 远离了让姑妈、祖父母和邻居 扮演这种角色 |
| 323 | community caregiving model we've got tons of exhausted overwhelmed caregivers who are | 社区护理模式,我们有 吨疲惫不堪的照顾者 谁是 |
| 324 | trying to do their very best but there's just no physical way possible that they can meet all of | 试图尽最大的努力 但是他们不可能遇到所有的人 |
| 325 | these needs of these children and so i think that that's a big that's a burden that our society | 这些孩子的需求, 所以我认为这是一个巨大的负担 我们的社会 |
| 326 | needs to address and think about how to create more relationally enriched environments to support | 需要解决和思考如何创造更丰富关系的环境以支持 |
| 327 | our young parents because the vast majority of them would do the right things they'd just be | 我们的年轻父母 因为绝大多数人会做他们应该做的 |
| 328 | drawn to do the right things if they weren't exhausted worn out worried about housing worried | 如果不是累坏了,就被吸引去做正确的事 担心住房子 |
| 329 | about food you know we we structurally contribute to the inability of these caregivers to provide | 关于食物,你知道我们 结构上促成 这些照顾者无法提供 |
| 330 | those loving environments yeah one of the things dr perry says in the book jay is that we're the | 佩里博士在书中说 我们才是 |
| 331 | only country in the world that does this that we're the only country that expects a single mother | 世界上唯一一个这样做的国家 我们是唯一一个期待单身母亲的国家 |
| 332 | to be everything and all things you know to children whereas other countries where there is | 成为你所知道的一切 和所有的一切 给孩子们 而其他国家有 |
| 333 | number one a greater respect for the elders and the elders involvement in the child's development | 第一,更加尊重长者和长者参与儿童发展 |
| 334 | and aunties and cousins and family members and so when you don't have that these moms which i feel | 姨妈、表妹、家人... 所以当你没有这些妈妈的时候... ...我觉得... |
| 335 | so deeply for moms who are trying to do it all it's impossible to be able to do it all right | 对于那些想这么做的妈妈来说 这是不可能的 |
| 336 | right it is and it and and the thing for an infant and a child growing up | 对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对,对, |
| 337 | love isn't the feeling the parent has for the child love is an action right love is sort of | 爱不是父母对孩子的感情 爱是一种行动 |
| 338 | night after night after night after night getting up and meeting their fundamental needs when | 夜复一夜 夜复一夜 起床满足他们的基本需要 |
| 339 | they're hungry thirsty cold and and over time as they build in these neurobiological capabilities | 它们饥渴的寒冷 并随着时间的流逝 它们在神经生物学能力上不断增强 |
| 340 | to mature then you can move to more emotional variations of that equivalent of love so now that | 成熟之后,你就可以转向 更情感的变化 等同的爱,现在 |
| 341 | we're adults we can actually say you know what there's somebody in my past who was president | 我们是成年人,我们可以说你知道 我过去有谁当过总统 |
| 342 | attentive and i love that person and and if you if you know that's that is love but your ability | 细心地爱着那个人 如果你知道那就是爱 但你的能力 |
| 343 | to sort of build that much more advanced neurobiological capability emerged from | 培养出更先进的神经生物学能力 |
| 344 | thousands and thousands and thousands of repetitions of these loving nurturing relation | 成千上万次重复这些爱的抚育关系 |
| 345 | relational interactions i think that's such a great point because uh as i grew older and it | 关系互动,我认为这是一个伟大的点 因为我长大了,它 |
| 346 | wasn't just my grandmother whipping me but other people i remember getting a whipping once and | 不只是我奶奶鞭打我 还有我记得曾经被鞭打过的人 |
| 347 | having uh you know one of my relatives say i'm whipping you because i love you well it certainly | 你知道有一位亲戚说我要鞭打你 因为我非常爱你,当然 |
| 348 | didn't feel like love certainly didn't feel like love but i know that for that generation the idea | 没有感觉像爱 肯定没有感觉 像爱,但我知道 对于那个世代的想法 |
| 349 | of i'm going to keep you in line and i'm going to make sure you're disciplined and that you're | 保证你遵守纪律 |
| 350 | going to obey and do the right thing in their minds might have felt like love but certainly | 要服从和做正确的事情 在他们的脑海里,可能 感觉像爱,但当然 |
| 351 | did not feel like or was interpreted by me to mean love i mean i think for anybody who's listening | 没有感觉或被我解释为 爱的意思 我的意思是我想任何人 谁在听 |
| 352 | to us or watching right now and i know if you are culturally raised uh the way i was you have a lot | 对我们或眼睁睁看着 我知道你是否在文化上长大 呃... |
| 353 | of of pain behind those whippings and i remember doing a show on the oprah show years later | 那些鞭打背后的痛苦 我记得几年前在奥普拉的节目里 |
| 354 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}说到孩子应该被打屁股 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}一个黑人女人站起来 说我被打了 | |
| 355 | every day and my father i was in the choir and my father beat me in front of the the whole congregation | 每天都有我父亲在唱诗班里 我父亲在全会众面前打我 |
| 356 | in church and i turned out okay and i'm like did you really because nobody anybody who's ever been | 在教堂里,我变成了好的,我喜欢你 真的因为没有人曾经去过 |
| 357 | hit realizes the humiliation of that what you feel more than anything even as a little kid | 打击意识到了耻辱 你的感觉比任何事都重要 即使是小时候 |
| 358 | is the humiliation of it and what you are being told in that moment is that you have no value | 这是耻辱,而你在那一刻被告知 你没有价值 |
| 359 | that you are worth nothing that you are so worthless that i get now to lay my hands on you | 你一文不值,你一文不值 我现在就把手放在你身上 |
| 360 | and physically beat you so it takes a lot and i i would have to say that um it it was a lot for me | 我不得不说,嗯,这对我很重要 |
| 361 | to overcome to begin to understand that my life was of value and as i say in what happened to you | 开始明白我的生活是有价值的 就像我在你身上所说的话 |
| 362 | what did that for me were relationships with my teachers i could cry right now thinking about | 这对我有什么好处 关系我的老师 我可以哭 现在想 |
| 363 | the the teachers who stood in the gap for me and made me feel valued made me feel important so it | 那些为我而战的老师 让我觉得自己很受重视 |
| 364 | was only at school or speaking in church that i felt a sense of i mattered that there was some | 只是在学校里或者在教堂里说话 我觉得有种感觉 |
| 365 | meaning and and and purpose for me in life and so you know as when i was talking to bruce on 60 | 意义和目的 对我来说在生活中,所以你知道 当我在60岁的时候 |
| 366 | minutes i said bruce please explain to me why i'm not crazy because because i you know grew up in | 我说布鲁斯 请你解释我为什么没疯 因为我知道自己长大了 |
| 367 | the circumstances where i should have no self-values no self-worth but bruce as he | 在那种情况下,我不应该有 自我价值,但布鲁斯像他一样 |
| 368 | explains in what happened to you you don't have to have it come from your family other relationships | 解释一下发生在你身上的事 你不必从你的家人那里得到 |
| 369 | with people who are nurturing supporting caring and actually just see you so the reason why i | 和那些养家糊口的人在一起 实际上只是看到你 |
| 370 | loved school so much is because that's the place that i felt seen yeah it makes me so happy to | 喜欢的学校是因为它是 的地方,我感觉看到了 耶,它让我很高兴 |
| 371 | hear you both give people the permission to realize that they don't have to have it all | 听到你们都允许人们意识到 他们不必拥有一切 |
| 372 | figured out and that they can't have it all figured out and that it's we're all trying to | 他们不能把事情都搞明白 我们都是想 |
| 373 | be the perfect parent the perfect person the perfect professional the perfect partner and | 做完美的父母 完美的人 完美的职业 完美的伴侣 |
| 374 | perfection is impossible as it is but even that striving for it you're giving everyone the | 完美是不可能实现的 但即使你为它而奋斗 |
| 375 | permission to realize and also i love that point that was just made around how this is not just | 以及我爱的 这一点刚刚提出 如何这不仅仅是 |
| 376 | what's happening at home it can be heightened or amplified by what happens at school or it can be | 家里发生的事 学校发生的事 或可能发生的事 都能提升或放大 |
| 377 | nurtured and nourished and improved as well by what happens and oprah one of the things you talk | 抚育和滋养 改善 以及发生什么 和运行的东西之一 你说话 |
| 378 | about in the book when we're talking about the need for rhythm and balance and that's what i think | 在书中,当我们谈论 需要节奏和平衡, 我认为 |
| 379 | this book does so beautifully is what this book allowed me to do was feel vulnerably but then | 这本书如此美丽 这本书允许我做的是 感觉很难受 但后来 |
| 380 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我认为这是... | |
| 381 | refreshing thing because often we're told to be vulnerable and be open and then you you let it | 刷新东西,因为我们经常被告知 脆弱和开放,然后你让它 |
| 382 | all out and then you're like oh well this is just a mess i don't know where to put it all and then | 都出去了,然后你就像 哦,好吧,这只是一个乱七八糟的我不知道 在哪里把它全部,然后 |
| 383 | you know this book allows you to kind of go okay well that makes sense and this is how i place this | 你知道这本书允许你走的好 说得通 这就是我怎么放的 |
| 384 | how did you how do you recommend for people to find the time to create rhythms i know you say | 你怎么建议人们找到时间 创造节奏? |
| 385 | you block out the sunday to be with yourself and spend time walking in nature trying not to be | 你挡在星期天 和你自己在一起, 花时间走在大自然 试图不成为 |
| 386 | distracted for anyone right now who's saying i i recognize from hearing both of you that i must | 现在有人说我听不见你们说我必须 |
| 387 | have some trauma where do i where do i find the time to unpack it how do i make time for that | 哪里有创伤 我在哪里找到时间 解开它 我如何让时间 |
| 388 | and where do i start well you start with understanding that your cup being full is how | 我从哪里开始... ...你首先要明白 你的杯子满满了... |
| 389 | you allow yourself to give to other people you you can't give what you don't have you can't love if | 你允许自己给别人 你不能给你没有的东西 |
| 390 | you haven't been loved you don't even know how to begin to do that so i think it begins with | 你还没被爱过呢 你甚至不知道怎么开始这样 所以我觉得它开始于 |
| 391 | fundamentally understanding that you are worthy enough you are valuable enough you matter enough | 根本上理解你足够值得 你足够重要 |
| 392 | to give yourself the love that you deserve and that starts by taking out time for yourself so | 给自己应得的爱 开始为你自己抽出时间 |
| 393 | i have my own rhythm and pattern i know that if i go six days and then on the seventh by the seventh | 我有我自己的节奏和模式 我知道如果我走六天 然后在第七到第七 |
| 394 | or eighth don't give myself a break that lots of other things give that i'm not as alert i'm not | 或第八,不要让自己喘息 很多其他的事情 给予我,我不是警报 |
| 395 | as attuned i'm not as centered i'm not as focused so i know that that is that is my limit i cannot | 我不太专心 所以我知道这就是我的极限 |
| 396 | go beyond a certain amount of days and for me walking in nature is my solace it is where i | 超越了一定的天数 对于我在大自然中行走来说 是我的安慰 |
| 397 | feel that i am one with all and all being you know all creation and you know connected for other | 感觉我是一个与所有和所有 你熟悉所有创造,你知道连接到其他 |
| 398 | people it may be dancing it may be music it may be knitting it may be whatever it is that brings | 人们也许在跳舞 音乐也许在编织 无论什么带来 |
| 399 | some kind of rhythmic pattern into your life actually it was bruce and i were walking on my | 某种节奏模式 进入你的生活 实际上它是布鲁斯 而我走在我的 |
| 400 | campus in south africa and there were a group of girls dancing literally on the lawn because lord | 一群女孩在草坪上跳舞 因为主人 |
| 401 | knows they love to dance and bruce says oh that's not just i said oh they're just having fun and | 知道他们喜欢跳舞 布鲁斯说哦 不只是我说哦 他们只是玩玩而已 |
| 402 | bruce said oh they're not just having fun they actually are healing themselves because the | 布鲁斯说,哦,他们不只是玩乐 他们实际上正在治愈自己,因为 |
| 403 | rhythmic pattern that's why when you've been in an argument with someone or you're in the middle of | 节奏图案,这就是为什么 当你一直在与某人争论 或者你在中间 |
| 404 | an argument with somebody if you just go and take a walk or you go and turn on some music and you | 和别人吵架,如果你去散步 或者去打开一些音乐和你 |
| 405 | start dancing if you just have some form of movement you feel better that's number one number | 跳起舞来,只要你有 某种动作,你感觉更好 这是头号 |
| 406 | two one of the most important things most most important takeaways from what happened to you | 两个最重要的东西之一 最重要的外卖 从发生在你身上的事情 |
| 407 | i believe is understanding how the brain works and that diagram that's on page 26 or 27 about the | 我相信是理解大脑是如何工作的 以及第26页或第27页上 |
| 408 | inverted brain being like a triangle so you see that beginning with the brain stem that's the | 倒转的大脑就像三角形 所以从脑干开始 |
| 409 | lower part of the brain all the way to the cortex and through the limbic area you understand that | 大脑的下部 一直到皮层 并通过边缘区域 你明白 |
| 410 | we're looking at it right there you understand that when you're upset or in fear or angry or | 我们正看着它,你明白 当你心烦意乱, 恐惧,愤怒, |
| 411 | are in in an antagonized state and you're trying to reason with a person a child your spouse your | 你试图与一个人解释一个孩子 你的配偶 |
| 412 | boss your friend they literally cannot hear you because the reasoning part of the brain is in the | 老板你的朋友 他们根本听不到你 因为大脑的推理部分 |
| 413 | cortex and what you're saying is only reaching the brain stem so whenever somebody is dysregulated | 皮质和你说的只是到达脑干 所以每当有人病态时 |
| 414 | which is what that is being anxious and fearful and yelling and screaming the thing to do is to | 这才是焦急、恐惧、大喊大叫的本事 |
| 415 | calm yourself first then you will be able to help that other person get calm and regulated | 先冷静一下,你就能帮助别人冷静下来 |
| 416 | that's how you get to reason but if you both are just yelling at each other | 这就是你得到的理性 但如果你们两个只是大喊大叫 |
| 417 | literally and you're going you don't hear me and you don't hear me either and you're like they | 从字面上说,你要去 你没有听到我,你也没有听到我,你就像他们 |
| 418 | actually cannot hear you that's what i thought was so fascinating i think i explained it well | 其实我听不见 所以我觉得很迷人 我想我解释得很清楚 |
| 419 | right yes i'm just sitting here smiling do you concur dr perry do you concur i just want to | 是的,我只是坐在这里笑 你同意佩里博士 你同意我只是想 |
| 420 | make sure because i do i do i hope this is actually a lot of fun oprah's just to become | 确保因为我做的,我确实希望 这实际上是很多乐趣 oprah的只是成为 |
| 421 | a neuroscientist so we're going to expect we're going to expect you to now tell a story | 神经科学家 所以我们期待你现在讲故事 |
| 422 | to trade to trade to trade places but you know i'm so it's so amazing to hear you explain that | 交易到交易地点,但你知道 我是如此令人惊奇 听到你解释 |
| 423 | that's exactly what i meant by giving a framework to really look at it in such a clear way in a way | 这正是我的意思,我给一个框架 真正以这样清晰的方式看待它的方式 |
| 424 | that we're often not encouraged to see it because it sounds too difficult or too complicated but to | 我们经常不被鼓励去看 因为听起来太难或太复杂了 |
| 425 | to simplify that idea is that here's what you think's going on and here's what's happening | 简而言之,你的想法是这样的 |
| 426 | inside your brain and dr perry when you when you dive into the science you quote a study and a | 当你潜入科学时 你引用一个研究和一个 |
| 427 | survey that said that almost 50 of children in the united states have had at least one significant | 调查表明,美国有近50名儿童至少有1名 |
| 428 | traumatic experience but a lot of people will still deny ever having experienced trauma a lot | 但很多人仍然会否认曾经经历过很多创伤 |
| 429 | of people will feel uncomfortable admitting and accepting that they have experienced some trauma | 承认和承认自己遭受了创伤 |
| 430 | what are some of our misconceptions around what trauma is and how it affects us and would you mind | 我们对于什么是创伤和它如何影响我们的一些误解是什么,你介意吗? |
| 431 | explaining what sort of experiences are defined as traumatic to help us expand our definition | 解释什么是创伤 帮助我们扩大定义 |
| 432 | so most of us first heard the concept of sort of trauma as as we're talking about it now in | 所以,我们大多数人首先听到 某种创伤的概念 当我们谈论它现在在 |
| 433 | context of post-traumatic stress disorder and combat veterans and so even within our field | 创伤后应激障碍和退伍军人,甚至我们领域 |
| 434 | in psychiatry the majority of people who studied trauma and looked at trauma were looking at | 在精神病学中,大多数研究创伤和看创伤的人都在研究 |
| 435 | the effects of these horrific events exposure to combat death of a of a soldier next to you | 这些恐怖事件的影响 暴露在战斗中 一个士兵在你身边死亡 |
| 436 | as you know the thing to understand around trauma but over time the people like me who were studying | 你知道什么是理解 创伤 但随着时间的推移,像我这样的人 正在学习 |
| 437 | the stress response systems in in animal models were very well aware that it's not necessarily | 动物模型中的压力反应系统 很清楚它并不一定 |
| 438 | these big traumatic events that are easily identified by everybody as a trauma that will | 这些巨大的创伤事件 很容易被每个人认定为 一种将 |
| 439 | lead to the changes in the brain that cause the problems and so certainly if you do have these | 导致大脑的改变 导致问题,所以肯定 如果你有这些 |
| 440 | events that can be a problem so natural disaster house fire car accident you know abuse of all | 可能是一个问题 所以自然灾害 房屋火灾车祸 你知道所有虐待 |
| 441 | sorts that's certainly traumatic but probably the most important thing and and i think the thing | 那种当然是创伤 但可能是最重要的东西 我想是 |
| 442 | that's impacting more children and adults than anything else are experiences that are patterns | 影响更多儿童和成年人的 经验是规律 |
| 443 | of stress activation where you have no control over the experience it's not predictable and it's | 在你无法控制经验的地方 压力激活是无法预测的 |
| 444 | prolonged it's ongoing and i think to some degree the experiences of the last year | 持续时间很长,我在某种程度上认为 去年的经历 |
| 445 | are an example for many people of a prolonged set of uncontrollable and unpredictable stressors | 对许多人来说,这是一个长期无法控制、无法预测的压力的范例。 |
| 446 | and we've all felt sort of our baseline level of tolerance is going down we're a little bit | 我们都感觉到 我们的容忍度的基线水平正在下降 |
| 447 | more tired we can handle situations a little bit less and so what we've been studying is | 更累,我们可以处理 少一点点,所以我们一直在研究 |
| 448 | the combination of these experiences where you are not in control of your life and it may be a | 这些经历的结合... ...你无法控制你的生活... |
| 449 | child who's living in a domestic violence environment where he or she is not the direct | 生活在家庭暴力环境中的儿童,如果他或她不是直接的; |
| 450 | target of all of this stuff but there's so much unpredictability about when the fighting is going | 这些东西的目标... ...但战斗何时进行却有太多的不可预测性 |
| 451 | to happen and there's so much unpredictability about whether mom is going to be in a good mood | 发生的时候,妈妈是否心情良好 有很多不可预测的事 |
| 452 | today or a bad mood or dad's going to be angry or not angry and that can lead to these physiological | 今天或者心情不好或者爸爸会生气或者不生气 这会导致这些生理状况 |
| 453 | changes that increase your risk for physical health problems mental health problems and | 增加身体健康问题风险的改变 心理健康问题 |
| 454 | learning problems and so that's kind of where we're moving in the field is this recognition that | 学习上的问题,所以这就是 我们移动的地方 在野外是这种认识 |
| 455 | you don't just have to have some sort of capital t trauma in your life to be impacted by trauma | 你不必在生活中遭受某种精神创伤 才会受到创伤的影响 |
| 456 | and in fact if you are a minority in a majority culture you're going to get all kinds of | 事实上,如果你是少数 在多数文化 你会得到各种各样的 |
| 457 | experiences where you're getting these relational interactions that are not are sending the signal | 体验你正在得到这些 关系互动 没有发出信号 |
| 458 | that you don't belong which will activate your stress response which can over time accumulate | 你不属于它会激活你的压力反应 它会逐渐积累 |
| 459 | and influence your physical and mental health | 影响身心健康 |
| 460 | yeah thank you dr perry for you know illuminating on that point because i think for so many of us | 谢谢你Perry博士 你知道这一点的启发 因为我想这么多我们 |
| 461 | as you rightly just said that we feel that trauma only means trauma with a capital t | 正如你刚才说的 我们觉得创伤只意味着 资本的创伤 t |
| 462 | and so we often disregard we often let these things just fade away and you know put them under the | 我们经常不理会这些东西 |
| 463 | carpet and just just not not really give them enough emphasis and focus because we don't see | 地毯和只是没有真正给他们 足够的强调和关注,因为我们看不到 |
| 464 | them as being significant and so yes oprah i wanted to say that one of them one of the | 我想说,他们中有一个是 |
| 465 | most important points i think dr perry makes in what happened to you is that neglect is as toxic | 我认为Perry博士对你来说最重要的一点 就是忽视是有毒的 |
| 466 | as trauma and so even though you might not have had a trauma with a big t that it boils down to | 虽然你可能没有受过大创伤 但最终会变成 |
| 467 | did you get what you needed and i have done so many interviews as i know you have to jay with | 你得到你需要的东西了吗 我做了这么多的采访 我知道你必须去 |
| 468 | people who are raised in the same family and everybody in that family has a different | 在同一个家庭中长大的人 和这个家庭中的每个人 都有不同的 |
| 469 | experience and sometimes siblings are arguing about a thing that happened because from their | 经验,有时兄弟姐妹在争吵 一件事情发生了,因为他们 |
| 470 | point of view it felt like one thing and from the other person's point of view it felt like | 从另一个人的观点来看 感觉就像 |
| 471 | another thing well that is the reality of life that you can have two children four children six | 另一件很好的事情是生活的现实 你可以有两个孩子 四个孩子六 |
| 472 | children race in the same household and they experience the love of their parents differently | 孩子们在同一个家庭里竞技,他们经历着父母不同的爱 |
| 473 | and not all the kids could have gotten what they needed and some of the kids got what they needed | 并不是所有的孩子都能得到他们需要的东西 有些孩子也能得到他们需要的东西 |
| 474 | so neglect is you not getting what you needed for your worldview for your personal approach to life | 所以,忽视是 你没有得到你需要的世界观 你的个人生活方针 |
| 475 | your sense of self values your your sense of self-esteem and so i i i have seen in the | 你的自我感觉重视你的自尊 所以我在 |
| 476 | thousands of interviews that i've done over the years that the level of dysfunction in a person's | 这些年来我做过的成千上万次访谈 表明一个人的功能失调程度 |
| 477 | life is almost directionally directionally directly proportional to how they were loved | 生活几乎是方向 直接与他们被爱的程度成正比 |
| 478 | what happened to them and how they were able to receive or not receive that love so the the what | 他们的遭遇 以及他们如何接受或不接受 爱,所以什么 |
| 479 | happened to you isn't you know just for people who had the big t traumas but it literally is what | 发生在你身上,你不知道 仅仅对于那些有大T创伤的人来说 |
| 480 | happened to you were you loved were you not how were you loved how was that love applied in your | 你曾经被爱过,你没有被爱过吗? |
| 481 | life and were you able then to apply it in the rest of the world so i know many people are listening | 生活,然后你能够应用它 在世界其他地区,所以我知道很多人在听 |
| 482 | who didn't get what they needed and i say this to my girls in south africa all the time because | 他们没有得到他们需要的东西 我总是对我在非洲南部的女孩说这些话 因为... |
| 483 | so many of them were born during the year of uh during the decade where | 很多人出生在... 在十年里... |
| 484 | so many of their parents died of aids and they have this sense of abandonment literally going | 他们的很多父母死于艾滋病 他们有这种被抛弃的感觉 |
| 485 | from one family to the next family member and then that family member dying and that family | 从一个家庭到下一个家庭成员 然后这个家庭成员死了,那个家庭 |
| 486 | member dying and when you grow up feeling abandoned and certainly abandoned from an early age | 当你长大的时候 感觉自己从小就被抛弃了 |
| 487 | you your world view is that people are going to abandon you in their relationships and so you | 你的世界观是 人们会抛弃你 在他们的关系,所以你 |
| 488 | either go into those relationships being very needy and afraid that this person is going to leave me | 要么去那些关系 非常贫穷 并害怕这个人会离开我 |
| 489 | or you go into those relationships being very jealous and you know holding on and having to | 或者你进入那些关系 非常嫉妒 你知道坚持和不得不 |
| 490 | know where you've been and looking at people's cell phones and all of that because you're afraid | 你知道你去过哪里 看着别人的手机 和这一切 因为你害怕 |
| 491 | that you're gonna leave me and so what happened to you no matter who you are is important in | 无论你是谁 都很重要 |
| 492 | understanding why you have the world view that you do yeah and it applies to each and every | 理解你为什么有世界观 你做 是的,它适用于每一个 |
| 493 | single one of us i'm seeing a question i'm seeing a question coming in from one of our | 单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单路单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单程单 |
| 494 | uh viewers tonight uh g saying how do you reach an understanding so the anger and sadness | 今晚的观众说,你如何达成谅解 所以愤怒和悲伤 |
| 495 | inside can calm down i think what i'm what i'm hearing here and i had a question too which i | 里面可以冷静下来,我想我是什么 我在这里听到,我有一个问题太我 |
| 496 | think relates is around this idea of you know when when you've connected the dots and you | 思考关联是围绕这个想法的 当你连接了点和你 |
| 497 | you start to notice that someone's caused you pain often that can be quite uncomfortable and you start | 你开始注意到有人给你带来痛苦 常常会很不舒服 然后你开始 |
| 498 | to now have resentment or anger or sadness as g is saying and g's question really is you know how do | 现在有怨恨 愤怒 或悲伤 就像G的意思和G的问题 其实是你知道如何 |
| 499 | you come to an understanding so that you're not feeling that anymore uh either of you would love | 你达成谅解 这样你就不会觉得 你们两个都会喜欢 |
| 500 | for you to answer that i'll let the psychiatrist answer that rock paper scissors | 让你回答,我会让心理医生 回答摇滚剪刀 |
| 501 | all right so first of all that that question is in many ways a central question to almost all people | 首先,这个问题在许多方面是几乎所有人的中心问题。 |
| 502 | who are seeking mental health help right and it's and i wish i had a perfect answer | 他们正在寻求 心理健康帮助的权利 它和我希望我有一个完美的答案 |
| 503 | but it kind of relates to what happened to that person so the place at which you want to try to | 但是这和那个人的遭遇有关 所以你想尝试的地方 |
| 504 | help somebody repair and redevelop a capability or a connection has to kind of match where they | 帮助某个人修复和重新开发一种能力 或连接必须匹配到它们的位置 |
| 505 | had the loss so the way you would do therapeutic work for example with somebody who had the loss | 损失如此,你会做 治疗工作,比如,与某人 谁的损失 |
| 506 | of a parent at age three and all kinds of transitions after that would be very different | 3岁和3年后各种过渡的家长 |
| 507 | than someone who had a comparable experience at age 17 and so not to sound like a politician | 而不是17岁有相似经历的人 而不是政客 |
| 508 | but it kind of depends you the treatment approach broadly depends upon where you are | 但是这有点取决于你 治疗方法大致取决于你在哪里 |
| 509 | developmentally and when all this stuff happened but in general no matter what happened no matter | 从发展角度来说,当这一切发生时... 但总的来说,无论发生了什么... |
| 510 | when it happened the vehicle for providing the therapeutic experiences that will help you | 当事情发生时 提供治疗经验的载体 |
| 511 | is the relationship and so it really always is relationships and the beauty of it is | 是关系,所以它真的总是 关系和它的美丽 |
| 512 | most therapeutic change takes place outside of conventional therapy it takes place in these little | 大多数治疗变化发生在常规治疗之外 发生在这些微小的 |
| 513 | present caring moments with friends with family with coaches with teachers the other people | 与家人朋友、教师教练、其他人一起享受关爱 |
| 514 | and this is why your relational density matters you know if you live in an environment where | 这就是为什么你的关系密度很重要 如果你生活在一个环境里 |
| 515 | there's a lot of people you're connected to you know a church home like we read about in the book | 有很多人你联系上 你认识一个教堂的家 就像我们在书里看到的 |
| 516 | if you're connected to a sports team if you're connected to your classmates and there are some | 如果你和体育队有联系 如果你和同学有联系的话 |
| 517 | duration to the other relationships you have in your life you have this in built in therapeutic | 与你生命中的其他关系有持续时间 你建在治疗室里 |
| 518 | web where you can go through a healing process that is not necessarily traditional therapy and | 在网络上,你可以经历一个治疗过程 不一定是传统疗法 |
| 519 | I think Oprah you know part of what you talk about in this book is that you've had these | 我想奥普拉你知道你在这本书里 讲的部分内容是 你有过这些 |
| 520 | healing moments over the course of your life and you know Gail's been one of the people who's been | 在你一生的疗伤时刻 你知道盖尔一直是其中之一 |
| 521 | involved in that but other people as well right yeah I've never had a I've never had a day of | 我从未有过一天 |
| 522 | therapy I had all my therapy in front of the audience during all those years the Oprah show | 这么多年的奥普拉秀 我所有的治疗都在观众面前 |
| 523 | and I realized in writing this book with with Dr. Perry that actually Gail was my regulation | 我和Perry博士一起写这本书时意识到 Gail其实是我的规矩 |
| 524 | that I would come home after a show get on the phone with Gail talk about my day that's how I | 演出结束后我会回家 跟Gail谈我的一天 |
| 525 | regulated and calmed and released and then get in the tub go to sleep start the whole process | 调节和平静 释放 然后进浴缸睡觉 开始整个过程 |
| 526 | all over again so having somebody who fully sees you who cares about you makes a world of difference | 再说一遍,让一个完全看到你的人 关心你的人 就能改变世界 |
| 527 | no matter who you are and so like as I say I never had therapy but I had a lot of people | 无论你是谁 就像我说的 我从未接受过治疗 但我有很多人 |
| 528 | who I was in relationship with who saw me for who I was for that little girl in the fourth grade my | 我和谁在关系 谁看到我是谁 我是一个小女孩 在四年级 |
| 529 | first you know experience with my fourth grade teacher was the first time I ever felt like | 首先你知道我跟四年级老师的经历 是我第一次觉得 |
| 530 | wow she gets me and I could not wait every day to get to school just to be in front of Mrs. Duncan | 哇,她得到了我,我不能 等待每天去上学 只是在夫人面前。 邓肯 |
| 531 | who really got me you know and one of the things I think that is that I learned from the writing | 我从写作中学到了 |
| 532 | of this book with Bruce is is what he says on page 109 and that is first 108 and 109 | 和布鲁斯一起写的这本书是他在109页上说的话 这是第108和109页 |
| 533 | the timing of adversity makes a huge difference in determining overall risk which is what he was | 逆境的发生时间 在确定总体风险方面 有很大的差别 |
| 534 | just saying the difference between being 17 and being three when something happens and also this | 只是说17岁和3岁之间的区别 当事情发生,还有这个 |
| 535 | thing struck me so much Jay that if in the first two months of life a child experienced high | 事情让我很吃惊,杰伊 如果在生命的头两个月, 一个孩子经历了高 |
| 536 | adversity with minimal relational buffering but was then put into a healthy environment for the | 关系缓冲最小的逆境,但随后被置于健康的环境之中。 |
| 537 | next 12 years their outcomes were worse than the outcomes of children who had low adversity and | 接下来的12年中,他们的结果比贫困程度低的儿童的结果更糟糕, |
| 538 | healthy relational connection in the first two months but then spent the next 12 years with high | 在头两个月,健康的关系,但随后的12年中, |
| 539 | adversity which is to say the child who is only two months of really bad experiences does worse | 也就是说只有两个月的坏经历的孩子 情况会更糟 |
| 540 | than the child with almost 12 years of bad experiences all because of the timing of the | 而不是12年的坏经历 都因为时间 |
| 541 | experience that's so huge isn't it that's so huge that's the reason that's so huge is because | 如此巨大的经验 并不是因为如此巨大的经验 |
| 542 | people do terrible things terrible things in front of their young children they say | 人们在幼童面前做可怕的事,他们说 |
| 543 | horrible things in front of their young children they fight in front of their young children | 在他们年幼的孩子面前发生可怕的事 在他们年幼的孩子面前战斗 |
| 544 | I've talked to so many women who were involved in domestic violent relationships who were waiting | 我和很多有家庭暴力关系 等待的女人谈过了 |
| 545 | for their kids to get older before they moved and not realizing that most of the damage will | 让他们的孩子在搬家前变老 并且没有意识到大部分的伤害会 |
| 546 | already have been done because that same part of the brain that allows you to recognize mama versus | 已经做了,因为大脑的同一部分 让你识别妈妈和 |
| 547 | daddy and colors and all of that that's being formed in the early early earliest months of | 爸爸和颜色 这一切正在形成 在最早的几个月 |
| 548 | your life that that same part is taking in vibrationally socially not having the language | 你的生活,同一部分正在 振动社会 没有语言 |
| 549 | but taking all of that in and the synapse either forms in a certain way that protects you for the | 但将所有这些 和突触 以某种方式 保护你 |
| 550 | rest of your life or does not that's why if nobody gets anything else from this book that's what I | 你余生或不是,这就是为什么 如果没有人从这本书得到其他东西,这就是我 |
| 551 | hope the world understands that what you're saying in front of your youngest youngest youngest | 希望全世界都明白 你在你最年幼的年轻人面前说的话 |
| 552 | children causes life long issues and this you know to sort of take off on that jay | 孩子们会长命百岁,你懂的,这 有点脱落的杰伊。 |
| 553 | this is one of the reasons that high quality home visitation programs that really help take care of | 这是高质量的家访方案真正有助于照顾的原因之一 |
| 554 | young vulnerable families so that when they're at this crucial period in life in the first year of | 年轻弱势家庭,所以当他们处于生命的关键时期 在第一年, |
| 555 | life that they've got some of supports and they've they're getting the parents getting | 生活,他们得到了一些支持 他们得到了父母得到 |
| 556 | regulated so he or she can be present in the lives of these children in ways that will be | 因此,他或她可以以下列方式出现在这些儿童的生活中: |
| 557 | likely to improve development and lead to resilience as opposed to struggle and struggle | 可能改善发展和导致恢复力,而不是斗争和斗争 |
| 558 | and struggle and result in increased vulnerability and it's such a small investment compared to the | 并且挣扎并导致更加脆弱 这是如此小的投资 相比于 |
| 559 | way we spend money now on these kids and that struggle as they get older and older and older | 我们把钱花在这些孩子身上 以及他们老老老的挣扎 |
| 560 | and you know that's why i you know i'm active in organizations that do home visiting like | 你知道,这就是为什么我 你知道我活跃 在组织做 家访问喜欢 |
| 561 | healthy families america and prevent child abuse america they they you know they for years have | 健康的家庭 美国,防止虐待儿童 美国,他们知道 他们有多年 |
| 562 | been putting these high quality programs in place to really help support young young parents i'm so | 一直在实施这些高质量的方案 真正帮助支持年轻父母 |
| 563 | happy that in what happened to you you're both magnifying and and simplifying such deep research | 很高兴在你们身上发生的事 你们既放大又简化了 如此深入的研究 |
| 564 | and work into the simplicity of what your children see at this time what they experience what they | 并努力做到简单 你的孩子看到 在这个时候 他们体验到什么 |
| 565 | hear what they feel is going to impact them and it's that simple for all of us to learn to | 听到他们的感受会影响他们 我们所有人都能学会 |
| 566 | understand to digest and using that example of an extreme story i mean you know one of my the most | 理解去消化 并用这个例子 一个极端的故事。 我的意思是,你知道我最 |
| 567 | inspiring inspiring stories in the book is about a four-year-old girl called ali uh dr perry who you | 书中鼓舞人心的故事 是关于一个四岁女孩 叫做Ali uh Dr Perry的 |
| 568 | worked with and she witnessed if i'm not mistaken the death of her mother by the hands of her father | 和她一起工作,她见证了 如果我没有错 她母亲的死 被她父亲的手 |
| 569 | who then committed suicide and you know she went through so many different experiences after that | 她自杀了,你知道她经历了这么多不同的经历 |
| 570 | i wanted to ask you actually where is she now have you kept in touch with her do you know how she's | 我想问你,她在哪里 你现在一直联系她 你知道她是如何 |
| 571 | evolved through that journey she is actually a very healthy young adult woman | 经历这段旅程 她其实是个健康的年轻成年女子 |
| 572 | who is giving back to her community she's caring and compassionate i mean it really is one of those | 我意思是,这真的是其中之一。 |
| 573 | stories that you're like wow this is a young woman who through the love and support of her | 故事,你喜欢哇 这是一个年轻女人 谁通过她的爱和支持 |
| 574 | extended family and community which really that's how she helped was able to heal | 她帮助的大家庭和社区能够治愈 |
| 575 | ended up with what we end up we talk about post-traumatic wisdom in the book that | 我们最后在书中谈到创伤后智慧 |
| 576 | that you know a lot of people when they think about trauma and in the effects of trauma they | 你认识很多人 当他们想到创伤 和在创伤的影响 |
| 577 | focus on all the negative things which definitely can happen there's definitely risk but you can | 专注于所有消极的事情 绝对可能发生 有绝对的风险 但你可以 |
| 578 | actually learn from these experiences grow from these experiences and you figure out ways to carry | 实际上从这些经验中吸取教训 从这些经验中吸取教训, 你找出方法来进行 |
| 579 | the pain that don't interfere with your ability to be loving to be productive to be creative and in | 痛苦不会影响你的能力 爱是生产性的,是创造性的 |
| 580 | fact in many cases i think that that pain becomes fuel for the productivity and the creativity | 在很多情况下,我认为痛苦 成为生产力和创造力的燃料 |
| 581 | so there's so much hope i say that i say that to gia who had just asked a question about | 所以,有这么多的希望,我说,我说,我说 Gia 谁刚刚问 关于 |
| 582 | processing that anger first of all understand where it comes from and a lot of times people | 处理愤怒 首先是理解它来自哪里 和很多时候的人 |
| 583 | are doing what i did you know in in the boardroom you know having anxiety about confronting somebody | 正在做我在董事会里知道的 你知道对面对某人感到焦虑 |
| 584 | because that's triggering pain from the past yes and a lot of people in their everyday interactions | 因为这会引发过去的痛苦 是的 很多人在日常交往中 |
| 585 | aren't even mad at what they think they're mad about they're just being triggered by something | 连他们以为他们只是被某种东西触发而生气的东西都不生气 |
| 586 | from the past so true that is going on with so so so so many people so being able to understand | 如此真实的过去 如此众多的人 如此能理解 |
| 587 | that is is really crucial what i what i love about the ali story there's the extreme that there is so | 这真的很关键 我最爱的关于Ali的故事 有如此极端 |
| 588 | much hope that if there's anyone who's watching and thinking i've seen too much or my children | 如果有人在看,在想 我已经看到太多,或者我的孩子 |
| 589 | have seen too much or experienced too much there is still so much hope right that's what i'm hearing | 已经看到太多 或经历太多 仍然有这么多的希望 |
| 590 | from both of you and through this book well i say that for my own life i say first of all the ability | 从你们两个 通过这本书,我说 对于我自己的生活,我首先说的能力 |
| 591 | to be honest about it i think that the the in the many cases where i've seen where people suffer | 老实说,我认为, 在很多情况下,我看到 在那里人们遭受 |
| 592 | is when they are in denial about what happened to them in the past or they want to create a facade | 当他们否认自己过去所遭遇的灾难的时候,或者他们欲以物配主的时候, |
| 593 | around what happened to them in the past the thing that has been the most freeing to me | 环绕着过去发生的那些事 对我来说最自由的事 |
| 594 | is being able to be truthful about it to own it and to not only own it but to use it as leverage | 能够真实地拥有它 不仅拥有它 而且还能利用它作为杠杆 |
| 595 | for growth for myself you know the thing that i didn't get in growing up is what i most wanted | 自我成长,你知道 我长大后没有得到的东西 是我最想要的 |
| 596 | to give as an adult and so there's a beautiful a spiritual that we sing in the black church | 给一个成年人, 所以有一个美丽的精神 我们唱在黑色教堂 |
| 597 | i wouldn't take nothing for my journey now for my journey now for my journey now and | 我不会拿任何东西为我的旅程 现在 我的旅程,现在我的旅程,现在, |
| 598 | i think my angela even wrote a book called wouldn't take nothing for my journey now based upon | 我觉得我的安琪拉甚至写了本书 现在的旅程不需要什么 |
| 599 | that hymn and that's how i feel about my life and i want everybody else to embrace that for their | 这首颂歌,这就是我对我的生活的感受 我希望其他人都拥抱它,为他们的 |
| 600 | own that everything that has happened to you can also be a strength builder for you if you | 拥有一切发生在你身上 也可以成为你的力量建设者 如果你 |
| 601 | allow it and you take that pain once you have acknowledged what it is and where it came from | 允许它,你承受这种痛苦 一旦你承认它是什么,它来自哪里 |
| 602 | and the people who did whatever they did to you that is the past and how you're willing to now | 以及那些对你做了什么的人... ...那是过去... ...还有你现在如何愿意 |
| 603 | take that pain and use it as your own personal power is what post-traumatic wisdom is all about | 把痛苦当作你个人的力量 创伤后的智慧就是一切 |
| 604 | so you don't have to continually live in the past you can step up and out of your history jay | 这样你就不会继续生活在过去了 你可以走出你的历史杰伊 |
| 605 | and let that be your platform to begin to build strength over strength over strength which in in | 让这成为你的平台 开始增强力量 超越力量 |
| 606 | the end equals power for yourself that was beautiful that was so wonderful to hear you | 结局等于你的力量 美丽而美妙的听到你的声音 |
| 607 | say that that what has happened to you once you've processed it and actually understood it and | 说一旦你处理好它 并真正理解它 |
| 608 | unpacked it that it can actually transform into being for you and and become your strength that | 解开它,它实际上可以转变为 为你,并成为你的力量 |
| 609 | that pain can actually become your purpose and your service as we see in ali's case dr perry | 痛苦可以成为你的目的 和你的服务 正如我们在Ali的案子中看到的 Perry博士 |
| 610 | where she was actually able to turn that into service and support and care for others i mean | 在那里,她实际上能够 将它变成服务、 支持和照顾他人,我的意思是 |
| 611 | that's that's truly truly phenomenal and of course oprah in your case that's what we're hearing as | 这是真正惊人的,当然 oprah 在你的案子,这是我们听到的 |
| 612 | well uh what i'm hearing there and you talk about this in a chapter is the difference between coping | 嗯,呃,我在那里听到的 你谈论这一点 在一章中 是不同的应付 |
| 613 | and healing i think a lot of us right now are trying to cope we're trying to cope cope cope it's | 和愈合,我认为我们很多人 现在试图应付 我们试图应付它 |
| 614 | something we always say like i'm coping with it i'm dealing with it we always say coping and dealing | и羆琌弧钩и矪瞶 и羆琌弧и矪瞶 |
| 615 | rarely i would do we ever shift i'm healing it right i'm working through it tell us about that | 很少我会做我们永远转移 我治愈它的权利 我工作通过它告诉我们 |
| 616 | difference uh dr perry in in the brain and what's happening and oprah through your experience | 大脑中的Perry医生 以及你经历中发生的一切 |
| 617 | maybe stories of times when you felt you were just coping with it to when you actually started | 也许故事,当你觉得 你只是面对它 当你真正开始 |
| 618 | healing it yeah i it's interesting i had a conversation i've been having a lot of | 治好它,是啊,我很有趣 我有一个谈话,我一直有很多 |
| 619 | conversations with people in education about transition back to the new normal and one of the | 与教育界人士就回归新常态和 |
| 620 | things that's very apparent is what we talked about earlier that everybody's kind of worn out | 很明显的是,我们之前谈到的 每个人都有点疲惫 |
| 621 | and the needs of some of these children have increased and some of the families are struggling | 其中一些儿童的需要有所增加,有些家庭正在挣扎着 |
| 622 | more and the people who used to step in and help them are now worn out and so what i've been trying | 和那些曾经介入和帮助他们的人 现在已经磨损 所以我一直在尝试 |
| 623 | to encourage people to do is actually think of this period of time as treading water you just need | 来鼓励人们这样做,其实是把这段时间 当作你只需要的水 |
| 624 | to learn how to tread water there's sometimes when you just you don't know exactly which direction | 学会如何踏水 有时你不知道方向 |
| 625 | shore is so don't just swim aimlessly just tread water and get yourself sort of your bearings again | 岸边是,所以不要只是游无目的 仅仅踏上水面,让自己 排序你的轴承再次 |
| 626 | kind of refresh and oprah talked about it you can't one of the things is this upside down brain | 那种新鲜和奥普拉谈论它 你不能一件事 是这个颠倒的大脑 |
| 627 | the more distressed you get the more you shut down the top part of the brain and so | 越是烦恼 你就越是关闭了大脑的顶部 所以 |
| 628 | you're not thinking very well you're not really reasoning in a way that will lead to a good set | 你的想法不太好,你没有 真正的推理方式 会导致一个好的组合 |
| 629 | of solutions so you need to learn how to cope which is basically treading water get yourself | 所以,你需要学习 如何应对 基本上在水上爬行 |
| 630 | regulated get yourself refreshed get yourself reconnected to people who can help you and then | 重新联系那些能帮你的人 然后 |
| 631 | you'll carefully look around and you'll see the horizon and you go i'm swimming that's this | 你仔细看看周围,你会看到地平线,你走,我在游泳,这就是 |
| 632 | direction then you can start the healing process but all too often we spend a lot of time swimming | 这样你就可以开始治疗了 但我们经常花很多时间游泳 |
| 633 | in in frantically in circles and we're not we're not connected and regulated the way that we should | 在疯狂的圆圈中,我们不是 我们没有联系和调节的方式,我们应该 |
| 634 | be well i will say this also we were talking about how rhythm is so important however you bring rhythm | 好吧,我会说,我们也在谈论 节奏是如何如此重要 不管你带来了节奏 |
| 635 | into your life whether it's taking a walk or whether it's dancing or um one of the most | 进入你的生活 无论是散步 还是跳舞 还是嗯... |
| 636 | important things i have learned with coping is to accept this moment for what it is do not spend | 我学到的重要东西是接受这个时刻 因为它没有花费 |
| 637 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你的能量再次推动 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这就是你交通迟到还是迟到 | |
| 638 | your bills and you don't know where the next paycheck is coming from to do it don't spend | 你的账单,你不知道 下一个薪水来自哪里 做它不花 |
| 639 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你的能量抵抗着什么 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}悲伤的五个阶段 | |
| 640 | and end with acceptance i have found that to be a great formula for operating in any crisis | 我发现这是在任何危机中运作的一个好方案 |
| 641 | or challenging circumstance get to acceptance as quickly as you can and that will allow you to | 或挑战性环境 得到尽快的接受, 这将允许你 |
| 642 | cope better with this present moment because when you are pushing against i wish it wasn't this way | 更好地处理这个时刻 因为当你在反对的时候 我希望这不是这样 |
| 643 | i mean i've seen so many people during this pandemic last march can't i can't wait until | 我的意思是,我见过这么多的人 在这场大流行 上次游行 我不能等待,直到 |
| 644 | this is over that was last march now we're a year later and they've spent the year in resistance | 这已经过去了,上次游行... ...现在我们已经过了一年... ...他们花了一年的时间来反抗 |
| 645 | instead of ah this is where we are not so sure when we're going to get to shore | 而不是啊,这是我们不确定 当我们要去岸边 |
| 646 | i just better learn how to tread stronger oh my legs are getting stronger in the tread | 我最好学会如何跑得更强 我的腿在跑步上越来越强 |
| 647 | so being able to accept the treading moment for what it is and and having the wisdom | 从而能够接受脚踏实地的时刻 并拥有智慧 |
| 648 | the faith the understanding the knowing that you're not going to be in this moment forever | 信念和理解 知道你不会永远处于这一刻 |
| 649 | because if life does anything it consistently consistently changes so for however long we're | 因为如果生命做任何事情 它总是在改变 所以不管我们多久 |
| 650 | in this pandemic moment it is not going to be forever but how do i make the adjustment | 这场大流行的瞬间 并不是永远的 而是如何调整 |
| 651 | to accept the moment for what it is and stop pushing against it using all of my energy | 接受这个时刻 不再用我所有的精力来反对它 |
| 652 | wanting it to be something that it's not it's that whole adage of accepting the things you can change | 想要它的东西,它不是 它是一个完整的格言,接受的东西 你可以改变 |
| 653 | and being willing to live with the things you cannot so that has been the most helpful for me | 愿意接受你无法承受的事物 这对我最有帮助 |
| 654 | i don't have a problem coping because i immediately go to this is what it is now what must i do to be | 我没有问题,因为我马上去... ... |
| 655 | fully present in this moment not resisting and pushing against it i love that so much as all the | 此时此刻,我不再抗拒和反对, 我非常喜欢这些 |
| 656 | wisdom traditions tell us like holding on to our normal causes us more pain than letting go and | 智慧传统告诉我们 坚持我们的正常 给我们带来更多的痛苦 而不是放手 |
| 657 | accepting where we are today and i want i just want to thank everyone who's been listening and | 接受我们今天的位置 我只想感谢所有听话的人 |
| 658 | watching today to our first virtual book tour event for what happened to you i know that there's | 今天观看我们第一次虚拟书展活动... ... ...... |
| 659 | at least one person in your life that needs to read this book that one person is you in case | 你生命中至少有一个人需要读这本书 一个人是你以防万一 |
| 660 | you're wondering and there will be so many others that you can gift it to as well and this time | 你想知道,会有很多其他人 你可以把它也送给这次 |
| 661 | together has been just so enlightening and empowering i want to thank you dr perry and | 一起一直如此启迪 和赋予权力 我想感谢你 佩里博士和 |
| 662 | thank you oprah for inviting me to host this kickoff event for what happened to you it's out | 谢谢你奥普拉邀请我 主持这个踢球赛事 你出事了 |
| 663 | in stores today if anyone's wondering and we want to thank all the bookstores books of magic in | 今天在商店里 如果有人想知道 我们想感谢所有书店的魔法书 |
| 664 | brooklyn and semicolon bookstore in chicago for hosting this conversation and of course this | 布鲁克林和芝加哥的分号书店 主持这次对话 当然还有这次 |
| 665 | couldn't be possible without all the incredible research by dr perry that you've been doing over | 没有所有令人难以置信的研究 佩里博士 你一直在做 |
| 666 | decades and oprah for sharing this with us with so much compassion so much empathy and so much | 与我们分享这 这么多的同情 如此多的同情 |
| 667 | vulnerability that synergy between the stories and science that you both have created in this | 你们创造的 故事和科学之间的协同作用 |
| 668 | masterpiece is just exactly what we need right now so thank you so much to everyone who's been | 杰作正是我们现在需要的 所以感谢大家 |
| 669 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}听着 看着 感谢你们 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}感谢大家 | |
| 670 | you for all of your time and energy uh i really hope that at least one thing will have changed | 你所有的时间和精力... 我真的希望至少一件事会改变 |
| 671 | your life and the way you think today thank you so much thank you jay yes hey jay this was fun | 你的生活和你今天的想法 非常感谢你杰耶耶耶耶 耶耶,这很有趣 |
| 672 | yeah this was awesome this was so much fun i could have gone on and on and on this was absolutely | 是啊,这是真棒,这是 这么多的乐趣 我可以一直下去 和这个绝对 |
| 673 | beautiful i felt like i felt like i was in the room with both of you it was it was absolutely | 美丽的我感觉我感觉就像我在房间里 你们两个是绝对的 |
| 674 | beautiful thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you all the other tech people who made | 美丽的,谢谢,谢谢,谢谢,谢谢 所有其他技术人谁做了 |
| 675 | this possible terrific exactly thank you everyone thank you for the tech people that made me look | 感谢大家 感谢那些让我看起来 |
| 676 | partially reasonable like i have earrings on oh my god all right bruce i'll see you on the next one | 有点合理 就像我戴着耳环 哦 天哪 好吧 布鲁斯 |
| 677 | okay thank you bruce thanks opera and Dr. Perry take care congratulations to you both thank you | 好的,谢谢你,布鲁斯 感谢歌剧,佩里博士 保重,恭喜你们 |
| 678 | if you want even more videos just like this one make sure you subscribe and click on the boxes | 如果你想要更多的视频 像这样的,确保你订阅 点击框 |
| 679 | over here i'm also excited to let you know that you can now get my book think like a monk from | 我也很兴奋地告诉你 你现在可以让我的书像僧侣一样思考了 |
| 680 | think like a monk book.com check below in the description to make sure you order today | 想想看,像一本和尚书.com 在下面的描述,确保你今天订购。 |
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | If you have a difficulty with another human being, | 如果你对另一个人有困难 |
| 0:04 | there's some point of ignorance and some point of delusion | 有点无知,有些妄想 |
| 0:09 | that are keeping you from being able. | 让你无法生存 |
| 0:11 | On both sides. | 两边. |
| 0:12 | The problem is you can only worry about yours. | 问题是你只能担心你 |
| 0:15 | And then once you clear yours and your vision gets clean | 然后一旦你清空你的视线变得干净 |
| 0:19 | and purified and you approach a person from a purified space, | 你应当清净,你应当从净空处接见一个人, |
| 0:26 | things get a whole lot easier. | 事情变得容易得多。 |
| 0:30 | Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, | 大家好,欢迎回来 |
| 0:35 | the number one health podcast in the world thanks to each and every single one of you | 全世界第一健康播客 多亏你们每一个人 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | If you have a difficulty with another human being, | 如果你对另一个人有困难 |
| 2 | there's some point of ignorance and some point of delusion | 有点无知,有些妄想 |
| 3 | that are keeping you from being able. | 让你无法生存 |
| 4 | On both sides. | 两边. |
| 5 | The problem is you can only worry about yours. | 问题是你只能担心你 |
| 6 | And then once you clear yours and your vision gets clean | 然后一旦你清空你的视线变得干净 |
| 7 | and purified and you approach a person from a purified space, | 你应当清净,你应当从净空处接见一个人, |
| 8 | things get a whole lot easier. | 事情变得容易得多。 |
| 9 | Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, | 大家好,欢迎回来 |
| 10 | the number one health podcast in the world thanks to each and every single one of you | 全世界第一健康播客 多亏你们每一个人 |
| 11 | that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. | 每周都会回来聆听 学习和成长 |
| 12 | Now today is a very, very special episode of On Purpose. | 今天是《目的》的一集 |
| 13 | Not only is it the first episode of season three, | 不仅是第三季的第一集 |
| 14 | not only am I sitting down with the one and only Will Smith, | 我不仅和威尔·史密斯坐在一块 |
| 15 | but today we're going to dive in to the mind, the heart and the soul | 但今天我们要潜入心灵 心灵和灵魂 |
| 16 | of the man behind the movies and the music | 电影和音乐背后的男人 |
| 17 | and my dear, dear spiritual brother and friend. | 和亲爱的,亲爱的精神兄弟和朋友。 |
| 18 | So Will, without any further ado, I just want to say I am grateful. | 所以,威尔,不做任何进一步的事, 我只想说,我很感激。 |
| 19 | I'm humbled. | 我谦卑. |
| 20 | I'm so happy to have spent so many special moments with you over the past year. | 我很高兴在过去一年里 和你度过了这么多特殊的时刻 |
| 21 | This sounds romantic now. | 现在听起来很浪漫了 |
| 22 | My wife's going to get worried again. | 我老婆会再次担心的 |
| 23 | You should say you've been spending a lot of time with Will. | 你应该说 你和威尔在一起很久了 |
| 24 | Yeah, she's never felt uncomfortable about my relationship apart from me. | 是啊,她从来没有觉得不舒服 关于我的关系 除了我。 |
| 25 | The only time she's doubted me is, oh, another trip with Will. | 她唯一怀疑我的时间是 和威尔的另一次旅行 |
| 26 | That's why this time she came along. | 这就是为什么这次她来了。 |
| 27 | We certainly have some pictures, waterfalls, glaciers. | 我们当然有一些图片,瀑布,冰川。 |
| 28 | We definitely didn't even take all the pictures. | 我们甚至没有拍完所有的照片 |
| 29 | Thank you, man. | 谢谢 |
| 30 | This is going to be special. | 这将是特别的。 |
| 31 | I'm just excited for us to serve together in this way. | 我只是很兴奋 我们一起以这种方式服务。 |
| 32 | This is fantastic. | 这太棒了。 |
| 33 | It's been a long time coming for us to sit down like this. | 很久没像这样坐下了 |
| 34 | For the people listening, it's probably been a year. | 对于倾听的人来说,大概已经一年了. |
| 35 | We're running up on a year now, right? | 我们快一年了,对吧? |
| 36 | I've been studying with Jay. | 与杰同学. |
| 37 | 我爱上了Bhagavad Gita。 | |
| 38 | Jay and I have been spending time. | 杰伊和我一直在花时间。 |
| 39 | We've been hanging. | 我们已经挂了。 |
| 40 | We've been traveling together. | 我们一起旅行 |
| 41 | Jay has really been the catalyst for this next phase of my life. | Jay是我人生下一阶段的催化剂 |
| 42 | We have committed to one another in a brotherhood of service and support. | 我们以服务与支持的兄弟情谊相互承诺。 |
| 43 | I guess we've been in the gym. | 我想我们去过健身房 |
| 44 | We've been in the soul gym working out for the past year. | 我们在灵魂健身房工作了一年 |
| 45 | We've been working out for the past year. | 上年修习. |
| 46 | I guess we've been in the gym. | 我想我们去过健身房 |
| 47 | We've been in the soul gym working out for the past eight months. | 过去8个月我们一直在灵魂健身房工作 |
| 48 | This is our first time doing anything that's public facing. | 这是我们第一次在公众面前做任何事 |
| 49 | I'm excited to talk about what we've been working on. | 我很兴奋地谈论我们一直在努力的工作。 |
| 50 | Jay's been working with my family pretty much every day. | Jay每天都和我的家人一起工作 |
| 51 | New Smith starts to study with Jay. | 新史密斯开始和杰伊一起学习. |
| 52 | 还有 我们的老师Radhanath Swami. | |
| 53 | It's been a beautiful year. | 这年头真美 |
| 54 | I'm very excited to start talking to people about what we've been studying and learning and doing together. | 我非常兴奋地开始和人们谈论我们一直在学习和学习以及共同做的事情. |
| 55 | Absolutely, man. | 当然,伙计。 |
| 56 | I also want to say, too, I think it's rare where you get to sit down with someone that you've got to know intimately and closely. | 我也想说,我想这是罕见的 在那里,你可以坐下来 与某人,你必须 亲密和密切地了解。 |
| 57 | Also, when you sit down, I think I've watched every interview you've ever done over the years before I met you, when I met you. | 而且,当你坐下来,我想我看过 你所做的每一次采访 之前,我遇见你, 当我遇见你。 |
| 58 | I'm always talking to you. | 我总是跟你说话。 |
| 59 | I'm like, I remember you said this five years ago or 10 years ago you were saying this. | 我记得你5年前或10年前说过这个话 |
| 60 | When I'm sitting down with you now, I remember the first time I properly met you was at Willow's birthday a few years back. | 当我和你坐下来的时候 我记得几年前我第一次 恰好在柳的生日时遇见你 |
| 61 | Everyone was wearing, it was Willowine, so everyone was dressed in costumes and stuff. | 每个人都穿着,这是柳林, 所以每个人都穿着 服装和东西。 |
| 62 | I didn't even know it was you. | 我什至不知道这是你。 |
| 63 | Then you had the Zorro mask over your eyes. | 然后,你得到了佐罗面具 在你的眼睛。 |
| 64 | It was a big person. | 是个大人物 |
| 65 | I was like, maybe that's Will. | 我想,也许那是威尔。 |
| 66 | Maybe that's not. | 也许不是 |
| 67 | I didn't know. | иぃ笵 |
| 68 | Then you lifted your mask off. | 然后你把面具摘下来了 |
| 69 | The thing I recognized you about from the moment I met you was just your ability. | 从我遇见你那一刻起我就认出你了 就是你的能力 |
| 70 | You have this unique ability to just be really present and kind and deeply there with everyone you meet. | 你有这种独特的能力 能够真正地在场 和所有你遇到的人在一起 |
| 71 | Thank you, man. | 谢谢 |
| 72 | I think that for having met you in public arenas, whether it was the Bad Boys premiere | 我想是因为在公共舞台上遇到你 是否是坏男孩的首秀 |
| 73 | and then in our personal meetings, as you were mentioning, you're just even better. | 然后在我们的个人会议上, 正如你提到的, 你只是更好。 |
| 74 | Thank you, man. | 谢谢 |
| 75 | I think that that's so hard to be when you're that good. | 我觉得当你这么好的时候 很难做到 |
| 76 | I remember that. | 我记得 |
| 77 | There was the hospitality Minradi felt with you, that ability to care for each person walking in, | Minradi对你的款待 照顾每个走进来的人的能力 |
| 78 | the family aspect, making us feel welcomed and a part of it. | 家庭方面,让我们感到受欢迎并成为其中的一部分。 |
| 79 | I just think that in today's world, that human aspect is what we're all missing. | 我只是觉得在今天的世界里,人性的方面是我们所有人所缺少的. |
| 80 | I think that is a part of my DNA, part of it from difficult aspects of my childhood. | 我认为这是我的DNA的一部分, 一部分来自我童年的艰难方面。 |
| 81 | I grew up with violence in my home. | 我从小就在家里用暴力长大 |
| 82 | I developed a really acute emotional sense out of defense. | 我发展出一种非常强烈的情绪感 出于防御。 |
| 83 | I just needed to make sure that my father was okay. | 我只是想确定我父亲没事 |
| 84 | I needed to make sure things were going well. | 我得确保一切顺利 |
| 85 | I just became really hypersensitive to emotional movement in a room as a defense mechanism. | 我只是变得非常敏感 情绪运动在一个房间 作为防御机制。 |
| 86 | Then as I grew and as I started to develop that heightened sense that started out as defense, | 然后随着我成长 并开始培养一种 由防守开始的高度感知 |
| 87 | as I settled down and came into a deeper understanding of my power and my desires in the world, | 当我安顿下来 更深刻地理解 我的力量和欲望 在世界上, |
| 88 | it was easier to connect to people in a loving way. | 以爱的方式与人联系比较容易。 |
| 89 | It transferred easily from a defense mechanism to an ability to love and care for people. | 它很容易地从防御机制转移到爱和照顾人的能力上. |
| 90 | That's amazing, though, that you were able to process it positively. | 令人惊讶的是,你能够积极处理它。 |
| 91 | I feel like we're living at a time, we've talked about this before, that our childhood experiences form our adult desires. | 我觉得我们生活在一个时代, 我们以前说过, 我们童年的经历形成了我们的成人欲望。 |
| 92 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 93 | I feel like now people are starting to hear that in the conversation where they're like, | 我觉得现在人们开始听到 在谈话中 他们喜欢, |
| 94 | Oh yeah, because this happened with my parents, now I feel like this. | 哦,是的,因为这件事 发生在我的父母, 现在我感觉这样。 |
| 95 | How do you think you were able to, because we've talked about this before, | 你怎么认为你能做到的,因为我们以前谈过这个, |
| 96 | when you've talked about different, your mother, your father, what you learned from them, | 当你谈论不同的, 你的母亲,你的父亲, 你学到了他们, |
| 97 | tell us a bit about what you learned and how you were able to process it positively and engage with it | 告诉我们你学到了什么 以及你是如何积极处理并参与其中的 |
| 98 | rather than create a negative story from it. | 而不是制造一个负面的故事 从它。 |
| 99 | Because a lot of people may see violence and react differently. | 因为很多人可能看到暴力,反应不同. |
| 100 | Yeah, I think there's always an aspect of us that when we feel unloved in any capacity in any relationship, | 是啊,我想我们总是有 一方面,当我们觉得不爱 在任何关系中, |
| 101 | when we feel unloved, when we feel mistreated, when we feel somehow disrespected, | 当我们感到不爱, 当我们感到虐待, 当我们觉得不尊重, |
| 102 | it's a natural reaction to want revenge. | 这是想要复仇的自然反应 |
| 103 | And I think that's what happens with most people specifically in our most vulnerable stages when we're children | 我想这就是大多数人发生的情况 具体地说,在我们最脆弱阶段 当我们还是孩子的时候 |
| 104 | and we haven't done anything to deserve that kind of treatment. | 我们没有做任何事情来得到这种治疗。 |
| 105 | It's really hard for the ego to not click into revenge. | 自私的人很难不报复 |
| 106 | And once I discovered that mechanism, once I saw that most of us walk around with, | 一旦我发现了那个机制 一旦我看到我们大部分人一起走 |
| 107 | that we want revenge against that mistreatment. | 我们要报复这种虐待 |
| 108 | It's a little piece of that with all of us. | 与一切众生共为小品. |
| 109 | So the problem is that when you seek revenge, you destroy yourself. | 所以问题在于,当你寻求复仇时,你会毁灭自己. |
| 110 | And that's the paradoxical conflict that we all live in. | 这就是我们共同生活的矛盾冲突。 |
| 111 | Someone has mistreated us. | 有人虐待我们 |
| 112 | We want revenge, but if we take it, we hurt ourselves more. | 我们想要复仇,但如果接受报复,我们就会更伤害自己. |
| 113 | It's crazy how it's designed. | 如何设计是疯狂的. |
| 114 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 115 | So that is the, as Radhanath Swami referred to, the perplexing situation that we find ourselves in. | 因此,正如Radhanath Swami所提到的那样,这就是我们所处的令人困惑的局势。 |
| 116 | And the only answer is loving kindness. | 唯一的答案就是爱心 |
| 117 | And most of us don't want to hear that. | 我们大部分人不想听 |
| 118 | It's like, I'll take my chances with revenge. | 这就像,我会冒着复仇的机会。 |
| 119 | I'm going to take my chances with punching this dude in the face or cussing this girl out or whatever it takes. | 我要冒这个险 打这家伙的脸 或者骂这个女孩 或任何需要。 |
| 120 | But I can't do loving kindness. | 但我不能做爱的善良。 |
| 121 | And for me, I had such a beautiful example of loving kindness in my grandmother when I was growing up. | 对我而言,我从小在外祖母身上 就有了如此美丽的慈悲的榜样 |
| 122 | I always knew I wanted to be that, the way that she loved and cared for people. | 我一直知道我想成为那样 她爱和关心人的方式 |
| 123 | I didn't realize that her giving was connected to her peace. | 我没想到她捐钱是为了和平 |
| 124 | That was something that I got a concept of later. | 那是我后来得到的概念。 |
| 125 | But I always knew that that was my example. | 但我一直知道这是我的榜样。 |
| 126 | And I think that's the critical part. | 我认为这是关键部分。 |
| 127 | We need an example. | 我们需要一个例子。 |
| 128 | Somebody has to be an example. | 得有人为例. |
| 129 | Human beings are creatures of example. | 人类是榜样的生物。 |
| 130 | You got to see it. | 你必须看看。 |
| 131 | You know, so that's really where I am in my life right now. | 你知道,所以这就是真正的 我在我的生活中现在。 |
| 132 | I want to show what it looks like to be loving and kind and giving and forgiving. | 我想展示一下 慈爱和仁慈 给予和宽恕的滋味 |
| 133 | And I just want to model those virtues as best I care. | 我只想把那些美德作为我最关心的 |
| 134 | It's amazing how the thing we think that's going to help us feel better is actually what makes us feel worse. | 令人惊奇的是,我们所认为的能帮助我们感觉好点的东西,实际上是让我们感觉更糟糕的东西. |
| 135 | And you hold on to it because somewhere inside of you, you feel you have to be the person to show that person the truth. | 你拿着它,因为你内心的某处,你觉得你必须成为向那个人展示真相的人。 |
| 136 | You feel like it's your responsibility. | 你觉得这是你的责任 |
| 137 | You're going to be the hammer of justice. | 你会成为正义的锤子。 |
| 138 | Yeah. And so you carry that. | 对 所以,你带着它。 |
| 139 | And it reminds me of there was this lesson that we were talking about and sharing in our meetings was this quote by Russell Barkley where he said, | 这让我想起我们开会时 讨论和分享的教训 就是罗素·巴克利的这句话 |
| 140 | People who need the most love ask for it in the most unloving ways. | 那些最需要爱的人 以最不爱的方式要求爱 |
| 141 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 142 | And that's what you were saying when you were giving examples of people in our society today who it sounds crazy, but somehow they are seeking love. | 这就是你当时所说的话 当你举出我们社会中的人的例子 听起来很疯狂,但不知怎么的,他们在寻求爱。 |
| 143 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 144 | And when you when you kind of put that in your head, you're like, oh, like that's that's just a plea, a begging, a literal like it's not even a proposal. | 当你把那种想法放在脑海里时, 你就像,哦,就像,那只是一种恳求,乞求, 字面上就像它甚至不是一个提议。 |
| 145 | It's like a demand. | 犹如需求. |
| 146 | It's a demand. | 谓求. |
| 147 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 148 | And you're saying that. | 你说的 |
| 149 | And I love what you said. | 我喜欢你说的 |
| 150 | And that's why I'm bringing it back to what I was saying earlier. | 这就是为什么我把它带回 我之前说的话。 |
| 151 | The reason why I was highlighting the personal aspect of you is that I think that the example that you're setting through who you can be is even more than what you've done. | 我之所以强调你个人的方面, 是因为我认为你所树立的榜样 比你所做的还要多。 |
| 152 | What you've done is amazing. | 你所做的令人惊叹。 |
| 153 | And there's nothing to be taken away from it. | 亦无所取. |
| 154 | It's phenomenal what you're achieving and what you continue to achieve. | 这是惊人的 你正在实现和继续实现。 |
| 155 | But being able to do that with a loving heart. | 但能以慈爱心行此. |
| 156 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 157 | That must be. | 一定是这样的 |
| 158 | I mean, how does that feel internally? | 我的意思是,这感觉如何 内部? |
| 159 | Does that also feel that way? | 这也有这种感觉吗? |
| 160 | Or or no? | 还是没有? |
| 161 | Is that are you like, no, no, Jay, the success feels way better than that. | 不,不,不,杰伊,你觉得成功比那更好 |
| 162 | You don't get it. | 你不明白这一点。 |
| 163 | But no, but you know, we had that we had that conversation and there was a there was a real period in my life that I had to to struggle with. | 但是没有,但你知道,我们有 我们有那个对话, 有一个真实的时期 在我的生活,我不得不挣扎。 |
| 164 | We can win or I can be nice. | 我们可以赢,或我可以好。 |
| 165 | Pick one. | 选一个 |
| 166 | Right. | 对 |
| 167 | And different people pick different things. | 和不同的人选择不同的东西。 |
| 168 | Right. | 对 |
| 169 | For the type of material world climbing, you know, that that I did for a big chunk of my life. | 对于物质世界的攀升,你知道, 我做了我生命的一大块。 |
| 170 | It was military minded. | 这是军方的想法。 |
| 171 | You know, we're going to get that flag to the top of that hill and you are going to help or you're not going to be here. | 你知道,我们要去 把旗到山顶 你要去帮助或你不在这里。 |
| 172 | Right. | 对 |
| 173 | So that's that's one mindset. | 这就是一种心态。 |
| 174 | And then after I got the flag to the hill a couple of times and kept getting the flag to the hill and realized that you just you don't feel good. | 后来我把旗帜拿到山上几次,不断把旗帜拿到山上,意识到你只是感觉不好. |
| 175 | And you've scorched Earth, you know, around you. | 而且你烧焦了地球,你知道的,在你周围。 |
| 176 | And you're like, nobody nobody's really happy, you know. | 而你喜欢, 没有人真的高兴,你知道的。 |
| 177 | And then I started to have to question that mindset. | 然后我开始质疑这种心态。 |
| 178 | You know, I had one of the greatest runs in Hollywood history, you know, that eight number one movies all over 100 domestic biggest global movie star. | 我有过好莱坞史上最伟大的电影之一, 你知道,八部头号电影 超过100个国内最大的全球电影明星。 |
| 179 | All of that. | 这一切。 |
| 180 | And my family was miserable, you know, and I had equated winning with happiness. | 我的家人很悲惨,你知道, 我将胜利等同于幸福。 |
| 181 | Right. | 对 |
| 182 | It's like we're winning. | 如是胜义. |
| 183 | What is your problem? | 你的问题是什么? |
| 184 | You know, you know, and the the transition from product focus like military minded get to the top of that hill. | 你知道,你知道, 和过渡 从产品焦点 像军事头脑 到山顶。 |
| 185 | And then I shifted into a mindset. | 然后,我变成了一种心态。 |
| 186 | It was really my kids who brought me out of that. | 真的是我的孩子 把我从那。 |
| 187 | I shift into discovering like, well, damn, people really care about how they feel. | 我转向发现 像,嗯,该死的, 人们真的在乎 他们的感受。 |
| 188 | You know, as crazy as that sounds, you know, you know, my father wasn't concerned with how I felt. | 你知道,这听起来很疯狂, 你知道,你知道, 我父亲不关心我的感受。 |
| 189 | You know, he wasn't concerned with how he felt. | 你知道,他并不关心他的感受。 |
| 190 | He was military minded. | 他曾是军人 |
| 191 | You achieve the mission and there's two possibilities. | 你完成使命 就有两种可能性 |
| 192 | When I give you a mission, there's two possibilities. | 当我给你一个任务, 有两种可能性。 |
| 193 | One, you complete the mission or two, you're dead. | 一,完成一两个任务,你就死定了. |
| 194 | You know, and that's what my father was saying. | 你知道,这就是我父亲说的。 |
| 195 | I grew up with that. Oh, cool. | 我从小就这样长大的 哦,酷毙了。 |
| 196 | Right. | 对 |
| 197 | I actually had to discover feelings. | 其实我不得不发现感情。 |
| 198 | Right. | 对 |
| 199 | And start like I used to have to really focus. | 开始像我以前必须真正集中精神。 |
| 200 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 201 | How's this person feel? | 这个人感觉怎么样? |
| 202 | Not what do I need them to do and not they're wasting our time right now and we're losing time and we're going to not finish this mission. | 我并不需要他们做什么 他们现在在浪费我们的时间 而且我们失去了时间 我们不会完成这个任务 |
| 203 | Right. | 对 |
| 204 | But there's a there is a balance between the mindset of achieving and loving kindness that at this point in my life, I've actually discovered the magical balance. | 但是,在达到和慈爱的心态之间有一个平衡, 在我生命的这一刻,我发现了神奇的平衡。 |
| 205 | But it's really hard to get people to let go of the attack and defend achievement mindset and trust the care and concern for your fellow humans as a way of creating higher production. | 但很难让人们放弃攻击,捍卫成就的心态,相信关心和关心人类同胞,以此创造更高的产量。 |
| 206 | Yeah. Yeah. | 对 对 |
| 207 | Yeah, I hope everyone who's listening and watching right now is taking this in because I think what you're painting is a very transparent, honest picture of our minds. | 是的,我希望所有现在在听和看的人 都接受这个 因为我认为你所画的 是一个非常透明,诚实的图片 我们的思想。 |
| 208 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 209 | Like I can relate to what you're saying. | 就像我能和你所说的一样 |
| 210 | So I can relate to times in my life where I've been so about winning and success and and numbers or whatever it may have been. | 所以,我可以涉及我的时代 在我的生活中,我一直如此 关于胜利和成功, 和数字或它可能是什么。 |
| 211 | And and I know I'm not even becoming the person I want to be in that process. | 我知道我甚至没有成为 我想在那个过程中的人。 |
| 212 | And I don't even like myself. | 我甚至不喜欢自己 |
| 213 | But because you're choosing to like yourself because of what you're achieving, you're finding a new way to like yourself, but not over who you really are. | 但是,因为你选择喜欢自己 因为你正在实现的东西, 你正在寻找一种新的方式来喜欢自己, 但并不是因为你真正的身份。 |
| 214 | And so I just hope everyone who's listening and watching, you know, when you speak, sometimes will it so it's so extreme because you've got so close to that emotion that sometimes people can think, oh, no, that's a bit extreme. | 所以我希望所有在听和看的人, 你知道,当你说话的时候, 有时候会这样,所以它是如此的极端, 因为你已经如此接近那种情绪, 有时人们可以思考,哦,不,这有点极端。 |
| 215 | I'm a bit more balanced. | 我有点平衡。 |
| 216 | But really, we all have that kind of doesn't make sense. | 但是,真的,我们都 有那种没有意义。 |
| 217 | We all have a bit of that extreme instinct inside of us in some area of our life. | 在生活的某些领域,我们都有着某种极端的本能。 |
| 218 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 219 | And it's it's sometimes a delusion to feel, oh, I'm actually balanced. | 感觉有时候是错觉, 哦,我其实是平衡的。 |
| 220 | Like we sometimes listen and go, oh, yeah, no, that's him. | 就像我们有时听和走, 哦,是的,不,这就是他。 |
| 221 | That's him. His father was military. | 这就是他。 他的父亲是军人. |
| 222 | Yeah. But I'm balanced. | 对 但我很平稳 |
| 223 | You know, we always feel we always feel we're balanced. | 你知道,我们总是觉得 我们总是觉得我们是平衡的。 |
| 224 | Yes, exactly. | 没错 |
| 225 | I felt like I was balanced. | 我觉得自己很平衡 |
| 226 | We always feel like we're on that. | 我们总是觉得自己在做这件事 |
| 227 | As the Buddha would say, as we talked about the middle path. | 如诸菩萨如是所说如是说中道. |
| 228 | We always feel we're on the middle path and everyone's lost. | 我们总是觉得我们走在中间 所有人都迷路了 |
| 229 | I know. | 我知道,我记得 |
| 230 | Everyone else is confused. | 彼众皆惑. |
| 231 | Oh, my gosh. | 天呐 |
| 232 | That that celebrity is confused or that person's on the wrong path. | 那个名人很困惑 或者是他走错了路 |
| 233 | I'm OK. But, you know, I really hope as you're listening to this, everyone, that put yourself in those shoes. | 我没事 但是,你知道,我真的希望 当你在听这个,每个人, 使自己在那些鞋子。 |
| 234 | Put yourself in that mindset. | 把自己的心态。 |
| 235 | It's a healthy activity to do. | 这是健康的活动 |
| 236 | And you can learn something from the extremes also. | 你可以从极端中学到一些东西。 |
| 237 | Right. | 对 |
| 238 | And when you when you look at the athletes, right, there's a certain extreme mindset that you I was going to say you have to take on. | 当你看着运动员时, 有一种极端的心态, 我要说,你必须接受。 |
| 239 | I don't know that you have to take it on. | 我不知道你必须接受 |
| 240 | What I do know is that in this society, we worship that mindset that, you know, it's the can you become Michael Jordan without that mindset? | 我所知道的是 在这个社会里,我们崇拜这种心态, 你知道,这是你可以成为迈克尔・乔丹 没有这种心态? |
| 241 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 242 | You know, and that is a that is a really powerful, difficult question. | 你知道,这是一个非常强大,困难的问题。 |
| 243 | It's like most people can't sustain the mindset that, you know, fortunately, because it can be so destructive. | 这就像大多数人无法维持这种心态, 你知道,幸运的是,因为它可以如此破坏性。 |
| 244 | But most people can't sustain that level of discipline to manifest the things that they want in in their life. | 但大多数人无法维持这种程度的纪律来表现他们生活中想要的东西. |
| 245 | And there's just a there's a poisonous edge to that kind of discipline. | 那种纪律就有一个有毒的边缘。 |
| 246 | And I've been to the edge of that kind of material world discipline in my mind. | 我进入了那种物质世界纪律的边缘 |
| 247 | And I can tell you, you can have a whole lot of stuff and be miserable out there on that edge. | 我可以告诉你,你可以有很多东西 并且在那边很痛苦。 |
| 248 | And I found a much more comfortable and productive space in my life. | 我一生中找到了一个更舒适更丰硕的空间。 |
| 249 | And you still need that discipline. | 你还需要遵守纪律 |
| 250 | Yes. | 对 |
| 251 | But it's like when you're when you use that kind of power to achieve things, it's like there's a there's a there's a brutal reckoning. | 但如当用这种力量实现事物时,就好像有残酷的清算. |
| 252 | Yeah, there's a brutal reckoning at the at the end of that. | 是啊,有一个残酷的计算 在那个结尾。 |
| 253 | But the amazing thing about you is you've been on that path in that direction. | 但你的惊人之处在于 你一直沿着那个方向走 |
| 254 | I think people sometimes see these flips where they're like, oh, yeah, now that you are rich and successful and famous, now you're going this way. | 我想人们有时会看到这些翻转, 他们喜欢,哦,是的, 现在你是富有, 成功和出名, 现在你走这种方式。 |
| 255 | But actually, from our conversations and how you've shared with the family or even when we've worked with some of the friends in your life, | 但实际上,从我们的对话 和你如何分享 家庭,甚至当我们已经工作 与一些朋友 在你的生活中, |
| 256 | it's like this has actually been a long process. | 这就像一个很长的过程。 |
| 257 | This isn't just 10, 12 months. | 这不仅仅是10,12个月。 |
| 258 | This isn't just a couple of years. | 这不仅仅是几年。 |
| 259 | This is planted a seed from your grandmother through your whole life. | 这是从你奶奶的种子 整个一生。 |
| 260 | Always be reminded of it to study spiritual paths, world religions, to study philosophies. | 永远被提醒要研究精神道路,世界宗教,研究哲学. |
| 261 | Like this is just a long process. | 就象这是一个漫长的过程。 |
| 262 | Tell me about that belief your grandmother had in you and tell me a bit about how she planted that deep seed, | 跟我说说你祖母对你的信任 告诉我她是怎么种下那深层种子的 |
| 263 | because I think what you said at the beginning that we need that example. | 因为我认为你一开始所说的 我们需要这个例子。 |
| 264 | I think everyone, if they really reflected, there'd be someone in their life, either indirectly or directly. | 我想每个人,如果他们真的反映, 会有人在他们的生活, 间接或直接。 |
| 265 | But sometimes we forget them. | 但有时我们忘记他们。 |
| 266 | But when we've been talking to everything, your grandmother's been such a pivotal figure. | 但是,当我们一直在谈论一切, 你的祖母一直如此关键人物。 |
| 267 | I'd love for you to share what you think she did that was so powerful, | 我希望你能分享你认为她所做的 如此强大的事情 |
| 268 | because maybe there are some parents listening today and brothers and sisters and grandmothers and grandparents listening today, | 因为也许今天有父母在听 兄弟姐妹、祖母和祖父母在听 |
| 269 | and they'll be able to do that for their children and grandchildren. | 他们能为自己的儿孙这样做。 |
| 270 | My father, my mother and my grandmother, whenever I think about the three of them, | 我的父亲,我的母亲和我祖母,每当我想到他们三个, |
| 271 | I picture a triangle in my mind. | 我想象着一个三角形在我的脑海。 |
| 272 | My father was the base as discipline, and my mother didn't care about anything but education. | 我父亲是纪律的基地,我的母亲除了教育之外,什么都不在乎. |
| 273 | You had to learn, grow, study, travel. | 你必须学习 成长 学习 旅行 |
| 274 | My mother was really serious about educating the mind. | 我妈妈很认真的教育思想 |
| 275 | My grandmother was love and God. | 我的祖母是爱和上帝。 |
| 276 | My grandmother was that grandmother at Resurrection Baptist Church, | 我祖母是复活浸信会那个祖母 |
| 277 | and she had, you know, during our Easter recitations and we was in the Nativity, you know. | 她有,你知道, 在我们的复活节朗诵 我们是在诞辰,你知道的。 |
| 278 | So she was that grandmother at the church, and her life was deeply devoted to God | 她就是教堂里那个祖母 她的一生深深地奉献于上帝 |
| 279 | and Jesus in the form of loving service, right? | 耶稣以爱心服务的形式,对不对? |
| 280 | So the form that it took was she was working hard to love everybody, you know. | 所以它所采取的形式是 她努力工作 爱每个人,你知道的。 |
| 281 | I remember my grandmother bringing homeless people into our house when we were little and washing them in our bathtub. | 我还记得我祖母把无家可归的人带到我们家 当我们很小的时候,在浴缸里洗衣服。 |
| 282 | I thought that was the nastiest thing. | 我认为这是最恶心的事情。 |
| 283 | But she would be in the bathroom with her hands washing homeless people, you know. | 但她会在洗手间洗手 流浪汉,你知道。 |
| 284 | And as a child, it was like, no! | 而作为一个孩子,它就像,没有! |
| 285 | But as I grew older, I just saw how dedicated and devoted she was to living her life in service. | 但随着我变老,我刚刚看到 她是多么的奉献和奉献 以服务生活。 |
| 286 | It took me 50 years to figure, you know, to figure out what the secret of that was, you know. | 我花了50年时间去想,你知道, 找出这是什么秘密,你知道的。 |
| 287 | But there was a day of her life that wasn't devoted to loving and serving, you know. | 但是她生命中的某一天 并没有致力于爱与服务 |
| 288 | And I just watched her. She worked the graveyard shift at the hospital. | 我刚刚看着她。 她在医院当过墓地轮班 |
| 289 | And she watched us, my brothers and sisters, during the day while my parents were at work, you know. | 她看着我的兄弟姐妹们 在我父母上班的白天 |
| 290 | And then when my parents got off work, then she went, she would take a little nap and then she would go to work at the hospital, you know. | 然后当我的父母下班, 然后她去, 她会睡一会 然后她去医院工作,你知道的。 |
| 291 | And she was just the happiest person that I had ever met. | 她是我见过最幸福的人 |
| 292 | Nothing faced her. She was okay. | 没有什么面对她。 她没事 |
| 293 | And I remember I was about 12 and I had started rapping. | 我记得我大概12岁,我开始说唱。 |
| 294 | And, you know, so I had my rap books. I had all my little curse words and everything in my rap book. | 而且,你知道, 所以我有我的说唱书籍。 我的说唱本里有我所有的咒语 |
| 295 | And she found my rap book and she never said anything. | 她找到了我的说唱本 她什么也没说 |
| 296 | And she just opened the cover and she wrote a letter to me. | 她刚打开封面 写了一封信给我 |
| 297 | Dear Willard, truly intelligent people do not have to use words like this to express themselves. | 亲爱的威拉德,真正有智慧的人 不必用这样的话来表达自己 |
| 298 | God has given you the gift of words. | 上帝赐予你文字的天赋 |
| 299 | Be sure to use those words to uplift people. | 一定要用这些话来提升人们。 |
| 300 | And, you know, I was sitting, I was reading that and just love Gigi. | 而且,你知道,我坐在, 我读了那个,只是爱吉吉。 |
| 301 | And, you know, that was part of the reason why I never used profanity in any of my music. | 你知道,这就是为什么我从未在任何音乐中 使用过亵渎的原因之一。 |
| 302 | And it was like she missionized me in that way to make sure that what I was doing was uplifting others, you know. | 就像她用这种方式让我确定 我所做的就是提升别人,你知道的。 |
| 303 | And when you're telling stories, you can always find the part of the story that is a gift for the potential upliftment of somebody that would see it. | 当你讲故事的时候, 你总是可以找到故事的一部分, 它是一个礼物,可以让某个会看到它的人提升。 |
| 304 | But, yeah, she was all God, all love. | 但是,是的,她是所有的上帝,所有的爱。 |
| 305 | I love that, man. That's such a beautiful story. I hadn't heard that one before. | 我喜欢,伙计。 这故事真美 我之前没听过 |
| 306 | Oh, we hadn't talked about it? Yeah, we hadn't talked about that one. | 哦,我们没谈过吗? 是啊,我们没有谈论那个。 |
| 307 | When your grandmother finds your rap book and you got curse words in it, it's a bad look. It's a bad look. | 当你的祖母找到你的说唱本 并在书里写着诅咒的话, 这是一个坏的外观。 面色恶. |
| 308 | Well, it's good that she found it that early and that had such an impact on you and brought you out. | 嗯,这是很好的,她发现它 这么早, 和有如此影响你 并带你出来。 |
| 309 | As you started to grow in that success and that journey and you decided you wanted everything you do to have a positive impact on others, whether it was music and then movies. | 当你在成功和旅程中开始成长时, 你决定希望你所做的一切 对其他人产生积极的影响, 无论是音乐还是电影。 |
| 310 | And then that journey led you to just tell us about the hard work and graft that went into the creation of what you said earlier, which was like, I was working so hard and my family hated me and this didn't work. | 然后那段旅程引导你告诉我们 你之前所说的话的 辛勤的创作过程 就像是 我非常努力地工作 我的家人恨我 而这行不通 |
| 311 | But tell us about that hard work because I think sometimes it's forgotten and it's almost like you don't realize how when I started spending closer time with you and started seeing you on set and in the trailer. | 但说说那些辛勤的工作 因为我觉得有时候它被遗忘了 你几乎不知道 当我开始和你在一起 开始看到你在电影场景和拖车里 |
| 312 | And then you'd walk out and in two seconds you'd be in character and then you'd walk back in and you'd be Will again. | 然后你走出去,在两秒钟内,你会成为角色 然后,你走回来,你会再次成为威尔。 |
| 313 | And then and then we were in your man cave and you have your you have the movie plotted out and you'd walk me through like how that tells you. | 然后,然后我们是在你的男人洞穴里, 你得到了你的 电影策划出来, 你会走我 通过这样的告诉你。 |
| 314 | And I started to understand and appreciate that what you do is a science and it is strategic and systematic and it is a skill you have worked on for decades and decades and decades. | 我开始理解并理解你所做的是一个科学,它具有战略性和系统性,也是你几十年、几十年和几十年来一直从事的一种技能。 |
| 315 | You start to realize that the external view of like Will's charismatic and he's cool and you start to realize like, yes, but that is underpinned with just hard work. | 你开始意识到,像威尔的魅力 和他很酷的外景 你开始意识到,像,是的, 但这只是靠努力的工作。 |
| 316 | And I think that that's a real awakening that a lot of people don't get to experience when they see you on a big screen because you don't see all of that day. | 我认为这是真正的觉醒,很多人在大屏幕上看到你时,并没有得到经验,因为那天你没有看到。 |
| 317 | You don't see the the learning of the lines and you have a phenomenal memory like you. | 你看不到线条的学习, 你有一个惊人的记忆喜欢你。 |
| 318 | You know, we're studying spiritual books together and you can remember stuff that you've read that day and that comes from all your years of training and and even your ability. | 你知道,我们正在学习精神书 一起,你可以记住一些东西 你已经读了那一天, |
| 319 | When we first met and you said, Jay, I'm an actor, you know, when we direct just direct me and we can do this because I can drop into a mindset. | 当我们第一次见面的时候,你说,杰伊,我是一个演员, 你知道,当我们直接指挥我, 我们可以做到这一点,因为我可以掉入一个思维。 |
| 320 | So much of this is internalized. | 如此之多是内化. |
| 321 | Tell us a bit about how long it took to learn all of this and start playing with it beyond just thinking, oh, yeah, I've got this because I can act. | 告诉我们要花多少时间来学习这一切, 并开始玩它, 不只是思考, 哦,是的,我得到了这个 因为我可以行动。 |
| 322 | You know, I grew up in a military household and, you know, while there, you know, there are certain emotional drawbacks to that. | 你知道,我长大在一个军事家庭, 你知道,在那里,你知道, 有一些情感缺陷。 |
| 323 | There there are intellectual and organizational pluses that are, you know, hard, hard to beat. | 有一些智力和组织上的优点,是,你知道的,很难打败的. |
| 324 | So, you know, my father was really, you know, strict on order, organization and the incremental completion of tasks, you know, | 所以,你知道,我父亲真的,你知道, 严格的秩序,组织 和渐进完成的任务,你知道, |
| 325 | And, you know, also combined with my mother's push on on education as a really young child, you know, we had to put hospital corners on our beds and our shoes were lined up. | 而且,你知道,还结合了 我妈妈对教育的推动 作为一个真正的年幼的孩子, 你知道,我们不得不把 医院的角落 在我们的床上和我们的鞋子排成一排。 |
| 326 | You know, so, you know, at at six years old, we were we were forced to think along those military lines. | 你知道,所以,你知道, 在6岁的时候, 我们被迫按照这些军事路线思考。 |
| 327 | And everything was a mission to my father like, you know, never there was nothing that was a basic task. | 一切都是我父亲的使命 就像,你知道,从来没有什么是基本的任务。 |
| 328 | You weren't just going to wash the dishes. You know, it was a mission, you know, that had to be completed with, you know, military precision, you know, down to how much dishwashing liquid you're using and how much the bottle costs. | 你不只是要洗盘子。 你知道,这是一个任务,你知道, 你知道,这是必须完成的, 你知道,军事精度,你知道, |
| 329 | And if you use that much and how many dishes do you wash with that amount of dishwashing liquid and how long are you going to be able to use this dishwashing bottle so you can relate that to how much work you have to do to be able to wash that many. | 如果你用这么多和多少盘子 来洗洗那么多的洗碗液 还要花多久才能用这个洗碗瓶 这样你就能把工作 和洗这么多的洗碗有关 |
| 330 | Your dad sounds Indian. | 你爸爸听起来像印度人 |
| 331 | That's more intense. | 这更激烈。 |
| 332 | Yeah, you know, so it was really, you know, his mind was like that. | 是啊,你知道,所以这是真的, 你知道,他的头脑是这样。 |
| 333 | And I took, you know, we always take the things we hate the most from our parents. | 我从父母那里拿走了我们最讨厌的东西 |
| 334 | But, you know, from that, the gift of structure and the gift of breaking tasks down, you know, you set the, you know, you set the goal, but the breaking the tasks down into smaller, manageable pieces was a thing that I came out of my childhood with, you k | 但是,你知道,从那, 结构的天赋和破碎任务的天赋, 你知道,你设定了,你知道,你设定了目标, 但是把任务拆成更小的,可控的碎片, 是我从我的童年,你知道的, 从我爸爸的角度出发的。 |
| 335 | You know, for example, you met JL. | 比如,你认识JL |
| 336 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 337 | So I thought when I when I said I wanted to, I wanted to be the biggest movie star in the world, you know, and I was 18 or something. | 所以我想当我说我想, 我想成为世界上最大的电影明星, 你知道,我18岁左右。 |
| 338 | I haven't met him yet. | 我还没见过他 |
| 339 | I know you do. | 我知道你会的 |
| 340 | I haven't met him yet. | 我还没见过他 |
| 341 | I know you do. | 我知道你会的 |
| 342 | I said I want to be, I want to be the biggest movie star in the world. | 我说我想,我想成为世界上最大的电影明星。 |
| 343 | So the first thing that we did is we looked at, OK, well, what are the top 10 movies of all time? | 所以,我们做的第一件事是,我们看, 好吧,什么是前十部电影 在所有的时间? |
| 344 | Because if you want to be the biggest movie star in the world, you're going to have to make the biggest movies in the world. | 因为如果你想成为世界上最大的电影明星,你就必须拍出世界上最大的电影. |
| 345 | So we said, well, what are the top 10 movies? | 所以我们说,什么是十大电影? |
| 346 | So we looked at the top 10 movies. | 所以我们看了前十部电影。 |
| 347 | We said, well, what are the patterns? | 我们说,什么是模式? |
| 348 | What are the patterns in the top 10 movies? | 前十部电影的图案是什么? |
| 349 | And at the time, 10 out of 10 movies were the biggest movies in the world. | 而当时,十部电影中有十部是世界上最大的电影. |
| 350 | And at the time, 10 out of 10 were special effects movies and nine out of 10 were special effects movies with creatures and eight out of 10 were special effects movies with creatures and a love story. | 而当时的10部是特效电影,9部是特效电影与生物,8部是特效电影与生物和爱情故事. |
| 351 | So, you know, for that's where the bent for me towards sci fi movies came from, the recognition of the patterns of sci fi creatures and a love story. | 所以,你知道,因为这就是我对科幻电影的执着, 认识科幻生物的规律和爱情故事。 |
| 352 | So that became what we were looking for with everything. | 这成为了我们所寻求的一切。 |
| 353 | And then Independence Day was a no brainer. | 当时独立日是个没头脑的人 |
| 354 | And then Men in Black was behind that. | 后来黑衣人就是幕后黑手 |
| 355 | And it's that kind of systemized algorithm. | 这是那种系统化的算法。 |
| 356 | Yes, right. Exactly. | 是的,没错。 没错 |
| 357 | Looking for what is the pattern? | 寻找什么模式? |
| 358 | You know, and that's one of the gifts my father stuck me with coming out of childhood. | 你知道,那是我父亲给我的礼物之一 从童年时期给我的 |
| 359 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 360 | This is one of my favorite parts about talking to you because of this ability to turn those into gifts. | 这是我最喜欢的关于和你说话的部分之一 因为有这种能力 把这些变成礼物 |
| 361 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 362 | And I want to just emphasize that point to everyone who's listening and watching again because I think we're living in a time right now where there's a lot of bitterness towards parents and what we've received and rightly so as well. | 我只想强调这一点, 每一个在听和看的人, 因为我认为我们现在生活在一个 对父母有很多苦恼的时代, 以及我们得到的和正确的。 |
| 363 | Like some things are, you know, quite hard to deal with that level of trauma, et cetera. | 就像有些事情,你知道, 相当难处理 程度的创伤,等等。 |
| 364 | But at the same time, when we start looking at our lives this way, not in a fake way or an ingenuine way, but really start to process some of these things to see the powers that it gave us. | 但与此同时,当我们开始这样看待我们的生活时, 并不是以假的或者巧妙的方式,而是真正开始处理其中的一些事物,看看它给我们的力量。 |
| 365 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 366 | All the superheroes that we all love in sci-fi movies, they all got their powers from bad things that happened to them. | 在科幻电影中我们都喜欢的超级英雄 他们都从他们身上发生的坏事中获得力量 |
| 367 | Yes, exactly. | 没错 |
| 368 | No one ever had something good happen to them. | 从来没有人发生过好事 |
| 369 | And then for Spider-Man, he got bit by a spider. | 然后蜘蛛侠被蜘蛛咬了 |
| 370 | For this person, he got abandoned by his parents. | 对于这个人 他被父母抛弃了 |
| 371 | All the superheroes we all love and worship all got their powers from something bad happening to them. | 我们都喜欢和崇拜的超级英雄 都从他们遭遇的坏事中获得了他们的力量 |
| 372 | You know, it's really difficult to say that to someone in the middle of the throws of a traumatic experience. | 你知道,这真的很难说 某人在中间 的创伤经历。 |
| 373 | We've talked about that. | 我们谈过了 |
| 374 | Right. | 对 |
| 375 | But, you know, from sitting on this side of the experiences that I've shared, you know, in my life and in my experience, there's no such thing as a bad experience, right? | 但是,你知道,从坐在这边 我分享的经验,你知道, 在我的生活和经历中, 没有坏的经验,对不对? |
| 376 | There's experiences you don't like. | 有你不喜欢的经验。 |
| 377 | And they hurt. | 他们伤害。 |
| 378 | And they hurt, right? | 他们伤害,对不对? |
| 379 | But to define something as a bad experience for me has not been true. | 但是,将某件事定义为我不好的经历并不是事实。 |
| 380 | Everything that's ever happened to me in my life that at the time was deeply traumatic and debilitating. | 在我生命中发生的一切 当时都非常痛苦和衰弱 |
| 381 | You know, there's been only two times in my life when I contemplated suicide. | 我这辈子只有两次想到自杀 |
| 382 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 383 | You know, there's been two times in my life. | 我这辈子有两次了 |
| 384 | You know, the once was when my mother and father separated. | 你知道,曾经是 当我的父母分居。 |
| 385 | When my parents broke up and I was 12. | 当我的父母分手,我12岁。 |
| 386 | And, you know, that was one of the only, you know, serious times in my life that I contemplated suicide. | 而且,你知道,这是我生命中唯一一个, 你知道,我考虑自杀的严肃时期。 |
| 387 | But even out of that, as I look back on that, the pain of that experience cultivated devotion in my life to my family. | 但即便如此,当我回顾过去时,这种经历的痛苦在我一生中培养了对家庭的奉献精神。 |
| 388 | And I just never wanted to have my children suffer that. | 我只是不想让我的孩子受苦 |
| 389 | And of course, you know, I got divorced from Cherie, so that was I was recreating that situation. | 当然,你知道,我和Cherie离婚了, 所以我在重塑那种局面。 |
| 390 | But it woke me up in a way that forced me to try to connect with my children. | 但它把我唤醒的方式 迫使我尝试 连接我的孩子。 |
| 391 | So the negative experiences are the things that were awful at the time. | 因此,负面的经验是当时糟糕的事情。 |
| 392 | You know, there's there's always the other side of the coin. | 你知道,硬币总有另一面 |
| 393 | And in my experience, I've cultivated only positive things out of the most negative experiences of my life. | 以我的经验,我从一生最消极的经历中,只培养出积极的东西. |
| 394 | My father's death and the six weeks up to my father's death was probably the most formative time in my life. | 我父亲的死和我父亲去世前的六周 可能是我生命中最萌芽的时间 |
| 395 | And as painful as it was and as difficult, it wasn't all the stuff that came up during the time. | 虽然很痛苦,也很困难, 但不是所有的东西 出现在这段时间。 |
| 396 | I still it was a powerful, formative, positive experience in my life. | 我一生中还是一次强壮的,成形的,积极的体验. |
| 397 | Tell us a bit about that, if you don't mind about why you felt it was formative. | 告诉我们一些关于这一点, 如果你不介意 为什么你觉得它是成型的。 |
| 398 | And because I think a lot of people go through the loss of their parents and, you know, we've talked about this, | 因为我觉得很多人都经历了失去父母的难关 我们谈过了 |
| 399 | like the idea of like sometimes people regret of what they did or didn't say to their parents or maybe what they expected of their parents. | 就像有时候人们会后悔自己对父母做了什么或者没有说什么 或者他们对父母的期望 |
| 400 | What was it that was so powerful that allowed you to feel that way about that moment? | 是什么让你对那一刻有这种感觉? |
| 401 | Because I got a I got a gift that some people don't get. | 因为我有天赋,有些人得不到 |
| 402 | And it was that the doctors told us he had six weeks to live. Right. | 医生说他有六周的时间 对 |
| 403 | So and then he lived for four months. Right. | 然后他活了四个月 对 |
| 404 | So I got a warning. So mostly, you know, most people don't get a warning. | 所以我得到一个警告。 所以大多数人都得不到警告 |
| 405 | You just get the call one day and you just you just didn't get a chance. | 你只是接到电话一天 你只是没有机会。 |
| 406 | And when I found out that he was dying, it just by the grace of God was in the middle of the shooting. | 当我发现他快死了时, 只是在上帝的恩典下,他正在拍摄中。 |
| 407 | I was doing a movie called Collateral Beauty, and it was about a guy dealing with the death of his daughter. | 我拍了一部电影,叫"担保美人" 是关于一个处理他女儿死因的人的 |
| 408 | So I was into the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying and reading all the was it Elizabeth Kubler? | 于是我进入了西藏的"活生生的书",并阅读了所有的是伊丽莎白·库伯勒吗? |
| 409 | Just reading all of all this stuff about death. | 只读关于死亡的一切 |
| 410 | So I've been programmed for six months and I had read and studied all of these all these books about death and grief and dying. | 所以我被编程了六个月, 我读和研究了所有这些关于死亡、悲伤和死亡的书。 |
| 411 | And then I get the message. And I was like, you know, I sat down with my father. | 然后,我得到了这个消息。 我像,你知道, 我坐下与我父亲。 |
| 412 | And of course, I had all of my traumas and all of my issues and everything with him. | 当然,我有我所有的创伤 和我的所有问题 和他的一切。 |
| 413 | But I had also been six months of programming of all of the things that you're supposed to do, you know, to prepare yourself for the death of a loved one. | 但我也做了六个月的编程 你本该做的一切,你知道的, 准备自己 一个亲人的死亡。 |
| 414 | And, you know, so I sat with him and we talked about everything. | 所以我和他坐在一起 我们谈了一切 |
| 415 | So I said everything that I wanted to say. And we got to those six weeks. | 所以我说了我想说的话 而我们得到了那六个星期。 |
| 416 | And when we got to those six weeks, we were clear. | 当我们到达这六周, 我们很清楚。 |
| 417 | But then he lived for another three months. | 但后来他又活了三个月. |
| 418 | So what happened was every meeting, every time I saw him, I was flying back to L.A. | 所以每次见面,每次见到他,我都飞回洛杉矶。 |
| 419 | But every every time I saw him was like, oh, thank God. | 但每次我见到他 都会说,哦,谢天谢地 |
| 420 | And then every time we say goodbye, we made sure we said a good, thorough, full goodbye because we knew at any moment that it could actually be the last goodbye. | 然后每一次我们说再见, 我们保证说一个好的,彻底的,完全的告别, 因为我们知道,它实际上可能是最后一次的告别。 |
| 421 | Right. And. But the lesson was. | 对 还有... 但教训是。 |
| 422 | It's always like that. When we say goodbye, we can't know if this is the last time we will ever see. | 时常如是. 当我们说再见时,我们无法知道这是不是我们最后一次见到. |
| 423 | You should never greet someone casually or say goodbye to someone casually. | 你不应该随便问候别人 或者随便跟别人说再见 |
| 424 | And that lesson came from that experience. Every moment was so rich. | 这个教训来自那段经历。 每时每刻都那么富有 |
| 425 | Every time we saw each other and every time we said goodbye, we made sure it was a good, thorough, full goodbye. | 每次我们见面,每次说再见,我们保证这是一次良好,彻底,完整的告别. |
| 426 | But that's how you're supposed to live every day anyway. | 不过你每天就该这样生活 |
| 427 | Every time you leave, your house could be the last time you're supposed to be in the richness of your hellos and goodbyes and thank yous. | 每次出门时,你的房子可能是你最后一次应该身处丰盛的"问候"和"告别"和"感谢"中. |
| 428 | You know, and, you know, so I learned that lesson with my father. | 你知道,而且,你知道, 所以我学到了这个教训 与我父亲。 |
| 429 | And then when he when he passed, it was easy. | 然后当他通过的时候,它很容易。 |
| 430 | We were we were finished, you know, and just the lesson of that kind of presence and that kind of attention and that kind of recognition that tomorrow's not promised. | 我们结束了,你知道的, 只是这种存在的教训 和那种关注 和那种承认 明天没有承诺。 |
| 431 | You know, and just getting getting shaken out of thinking that you're going to have, you know, tomorrow. | 你知道,只是被震撼出来 想着你将会有,你知道,明天。 |
| 432 | Anybody who hasn't spoken to their parents or their brother or their cousin that they had a thing with or their ex and they don't talk anymore. | 没有跟父母或者兄弟或者表弟说过话的人 他们和他们的前夫有关系,他们不再说话了 |
| 433 | Call them right now. | 马上打给他们 |
| 434 | You just don't like don't think you're going to have a chance to call them to to to tomorrow or next week. | 你只是不喜欢你认为 你将有一个机会 打电话给他们到明天或下周。 |
| 435 | And it's like that that opportunity with my father changed every relationship in my life. | 就像那个机会 我父亲改变了我一生中的一切关系 |
| 436 | I cleaned all of the relationships in my life to no regret. | 我清理了所有的关系 在我的生活没有遗憾。 |
| 437 | I do not want someone to be gone and I wish I had and wish I could have and I'm just I'm not doing that in my life. | 我不希望有人离开 我希望我有 我也希望有 我只是不这样做 在我的生活。 |
| 438 | That's beautiful, man. Thank you for sharing that. | 太美了 伙计 谢谢大家分享 |
| 439 | That's just hearing you say that. | 只是听到你说的 |
| 440 | I think there's a lot of people who needed to hear that and are hoping everyone's going to pick up the phone and message. | 我想有很多人需要听到这些,希望每个人都能接听电话和留言. |
| 441 | And if that person's not here anymore, still write them a letter. | 如果那个人不在了 还要写封信给他们 |
| 442 | Right. Absolutely. Right. | 对 当然 对 |
| 443 | If they're not here anymore and you didn't get to say all of that, write a letter. | 如果他们不在这里了 而你没有说这些,写封信。 |
| 444 | Read it out to them. | 读给他们听 |
| 445 | Read it to a picture of them if that's what it takes. | 如果需要的话 读给他们看 |
| 446 | Allow yourself to share and express. | 让自己分享和表达 |
| 447 | Don't hold it in and hold it back because somehow that energy will still reach that person. | 别抱住它,因为不知何故,能量仍然会到达那个人身上。 |
| 448 | That energy's left you too. | 能量也留给你了 |
| 449 | So, you know, even if you can't call someone up today, make sure you make sure you still follow the same practice because yeah, it's just not it's never worth it. | 所以,你知道,即使你今天不能给别人打电话, 确保你仍然遵循同样的做法, 因为,它只是不 它永远不会值得。 |
| 450 | It's never worth it. | 终不值. |
| 451 | It's just never worth it. | 它只是永远不会值得。 |
| 452 | Never worth it. | 永远不值得 |
| 453 | And I love that idea of valuing each hello and goodbye. | 我喜欢那种重视每次问候和再见的想法。 |
| 454 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 455 | And not taking it for granted or taking it lightly. | 亦不以理为理或轻取. |
| 456 | You never know whatever's going to happen. | 你永远不知道会发生什么 |
| 457 | Right. You just have no idea. | 对 你只是不知道罢了。 |
| 458 | And unfortunately, we we see it. | 不幸的是,我们看到了。 |
| 459 | This is this is the there's actually a beautiful I don't know if we ever talked about this. | 这是实际上有一个美丽的 我不知道我们是否谈过这个。 |
| 460 | There's a beautiful piece in the Mahabharat, which is the Gita is a small part of and one of the students asked the teacher said, what's the most amazing thing in the world? | 马哈卜哈拉特有一部美丽的作品,即吉塔是小部分,有一位学生问老师说,什么是世界上最神奇的事情? |
| 461 | Like, what's the most incredible thing in the world? | 比如说,什么是世界上最不可思议的事情? |
| 462 | And the teacher responds and says the most incredible amazing thing in the world is that we see people leave all around us. | 老师回应说,世上最不可思议的事就是我们看到人们离开我们周围。 |
| 463 | But we never think it's going to be us. | 但我们从不认为会是我们 |
| 464 | So you see it and you have that moment again and again. | 所以,你看到它,你有 时刻一次又一次。 |
| 465 | And then you lose someone in your life and you think, oh, that could be me or someone else. | 然后你失去了一个人 在你的生活中,你认为, 哦,那可能是我或别人。 |
| 466 | You live like that for a day. | 你这样住一天 |
| 467 | And then the complacency sets back. | 然后,自满情绪回落。 |
| 468 | Tell us a bit about, you know, you've been studying world religions and spiritual paths for a long time. | 告诉我们一些事情,你知道, 你研究世界宗教和精神道路 已经很长时间了。 |
| 469 | And the first time I officially reached out to you and your team and everyone, which is a few years back now, was because I saw that you'd been reading the Gita. | 我第一次正式联系你 和你的团队和每个人, 这是几年前的事了, 因为我看到你一直在读吉塔。 |
| 470 | And the Gita was obviously the book that I read and studied so deeply and fell in love with. | 吉塔显然是我所读和研究的书 深深地爱上了它。 |
| 471 | And after having studied world religions myself, too, and I've had beautiful experiences reading the Bible and the Koran and the Gita. | 在自己也研究过世界宗教之后, 我也有读过圣经、古兰经和吉他书的美好经历。 |
| 472 | And so when I saw you talking about it when you were in India, I was just like, wow, like, this is amazing. | 当你在印度的时候,我看到你在谈论它, 我只是,哇,像,这是惊人的。 |
| 473 | Like, I'm already a huge fan. | 喜欢,我已经是一个巨大的粉丝。 |
| 474 | I love Will Smith. | 我爱威尔・史密斯。 |
| 475 | Like, how is Will reading the Gita? | 威尔读《吉塔》怎么样? |
| 476 | I was like, how did that even happen? | 我当时想,怎么会这样? |
| 477 | And then when I got to know you and Jada and spoke to the family, I realized that you'd taken on a challenge to, like, study a world religion every year. | 然后当我了解你和贾达,并与家人交谈时, 我意识到你每年都要接受一个挑战, 去研究一个世界宗教。 |
| 478 | And tell us about that and what you learned along the way. | 跟我们说说你一路学到了什么 |
| 479 | What were some of the traditions that stood out in your journey that that and what did you learn from them, whether it was the Kabbalah or even Scientology, all those? | 在你的旅程中有哪些传统 以及你从这些传统中学到了什么, 无论是卡巴拉还是科学,所有这些? |
| 480 | Because you've shared so many beautiful lessons with me from what you've studied. | 因为你和我分享了很多你研究过的 美丽的教训 |
| 481 | And I'd love to pass them on. | 我很乐意传下去 |
| 482 | So what was I guess probably in the first 10 years of our marriage, that was me and Jada's bonding. | 所以我猜大概在我们结婚的前10年里, 就是我和贾达的关系。 |
| 483 | Right. | 对 |
| 484 | So every year we would pick a spiritual tradition and we would study it all the way through. | 因此,我们每年都会选择一种精神传统, 并研究它。 |
| 485 | How did you even start doing that? | 你怎么开始这么做的? |
| 486 | Because when I heard you did that, I think Jada told me first. | 因为当我听到你这么做的时候 我想贾达先告诉我的 |
| 487 | And when I heard you did that, I was just like, I was I was just it just took me aback because I've almost you don't come across that all the time. | 当我听到你这样做的时候,我只是,我只是... ...只是让我背了一下 因为我几乎没有你 一直遇到这一点。 |
| 488 | And I was lucky enough to study world religions. | 我幸运地学习了世界宗教。 |
| 489 | My father started encouraging me when I was about 14 to start reading spiritual books. | 我14岁左右的父亲开始鼓励我开始阅读精神书籍. |
| 490 | And I dated a Muslim girl who asked me to read the Koran. | 我和一个穆斯林女孩约会了 她让我读古兰经 |
| 491 | That's how I read the Koran, which was a wonderful experience of my life at 16. | 这就是我读《古兰经》的方式, 那是我16岁时的一次奇妙经历。 |
| 492 | I read the Bible because we would celebrate Christmas and I'd feel guilty that we celebrated Christmas, but I didn't hadn't read the Bible. | 我读圣经是因为我们会庆祝圣诞节,我感到内疚,因为我们庆祝圣诞节,但是我没有读过圣经. |
| 493 | So I started going to church on Christmas and then reading about Christ and the Bible. | 所以我在圣诞节开始去教堂,然后读到基督和圣经. |
| 494 | And I just absolutely fell in love with the scripture. | 我只是爱上了经文。 |
| 495 | And then I was just reading so many different books. | 然后我读了很多不同的书 |
| 496 | And finally, I came back to the Gita, which was the book I was brought up with. | 最后,我回到了吉塔, 那是我被提起的书。 |
| 497 | But yeah, tell me about even why you and Jada decided to do that. | 但是,是的,告诉我 即使你和贾达决定这样做。 |
| 498 | So I don't even know how it developed as a thing. | 所以我甚至不知道它是如何发展成这样的东西。 |
| 499 | I know when we got married, we were trying to decide, you know, what what church we were going to get married and where we're going to get married in Baltimore or Philly. | 我知道当我们结婚, 我们试图决定, 你知道,什么教堂 我们要结婚, 和我们在哪里要结婚 在巴尔的摩或费城。 |
| 500 | And who was going to be the priest, you know, and, you know, so Gammie had a different religious background than Gigi. | 谁是牧师,你知道的, 而且,你知道,所以Gammie有一个不同的宗教背景 与吉吉。 |
| 501 | You know, you know, so we were trying to figure all of that kind of stuff out. | 你知道,你知道,所以我们试图 找出所有这些东西。 |
| 502 | And Jada didn't want to do any of that. | 贾达不想做这些 |
| 503 | Jada wanted for she and I to go to a mountain, you know, and, you know, pledge our love and devotion to one another to God without, you know, | 贾达想让她和我去山上 向上帝承诺我们的爱和奉献 |
| 504 | she felt like we we weren't going to adhere to this specific religious tradition. | 她觉得我们不会遵守这种特定的宗教传统 |
| 505 | We would just be picking it for our her mother or my grandmother or something to try to figure that out. | 我们只是挑它给我们的母亲 或我祖母 或什么的 试图找出这一点。 |
| 506 | So I think the discussion about the religious background we would raise our children in is what came up when we were when we first got married. | 所以,我想关于我们抚养孩子的宗教背景的讨论, 是当我们刚结婚的时候出现的。 |
| 507 | And she grew up in a thing called the Ethical Society in in Baltimore, and they would honor the different religions. | 她在巴尔的摩的伦理学会长大 他们尊重不同的宗教 |
| 508 | And my background, I grew up, I went to Baptist Church. | 而我的背景,我长大了,我去了浸信会。 |
| 509 | I went to a Catholic school and some somewhere in that first decade of our marriage, we were like, oh, wouldn't it be hot if we could say that we had read cover to cover all of the major holy books. | 我去了一个天主教学校 和一些 在我们结婚的第一个十年, 我们喜欢,哦,不热 如果我们可以说,我们 阅读封面 覆盖所有主要的圣书。 |
| 510 | And we started with the Bible. | 我们从圣经开始。 |
| 511 | And I just remember seeing her Bible was my you know how I do my books. | 我只记得看到她的圣经是我的 你知道我怎么写书的 |
| 512 | You see, I'd like all my books are highlighted all the way through. | 你看,我希望我所有的书 都被强调到整个过程。 |
| 513 | And, you know, she completed the entire Bible, you know, seven months before me. | 而且,你知道,她完成了 整个圣经,你知道, 在我7个月之前。 |
| 514 | Right. So now it's on. | 对 所以现在它开始。 |
| 515 | Right. So then when it came time for the for the Quran, I was like, I was I wanted to win. | 对 所以当《古兰经》要出版的时候,我想赢 |
| 516 | But, you know, so we would take a year and we would study all of these traditions as a, you know, really as a way of the two of us bonding spiritually and, you know, intellectually around the concepts. | 但是,你知道, 所以我们要花一年时间来研究所有这些传统, 作为一种,你知道的, 真正作为我们两个在精神上,在思想上结合的概念的一种方式。 |
| 517 | And, you know, we went through Kabbalah and, you know, Scientology. | 而且,你知道,我们通过卡巴拉 和科学。 |
| 518 | And, you know, Scientology and really what was happening is every time I would meet someone who was of a different tradition, I would allow that person to introduce me to what their tradition was. | 而且,你知道,科学学和 真正发生的事情是 每次我遇到一个有不同传统的人, 我会允许那个人向我介绍 他们的传统是什么。 |
| 519 | And then I did Ali. And so we circle back around to the Quran during during that time, but we really just we love the the idea of of spirituality and the study of the love of God. | 然后,我做了阿里。 在这段时间里,我们环绕着《古兰经》, 但我们真的喜欢灵性的思想和对上帝的爱的研究。 |
| 520 | And we don't necessarily believe in organized religion. | 我们不一定相信有组织的宗教。 |
| 521 | We believe that the organizations kind of jump ahead of the spirituality, you know, the the, you know, the Church of Christ is very different than Christ. | 我们相信,组织 那种跳跃 比精神, 你知道,你知道, 基督的教会 与基督大不相同。 |
| 522 | The steps that Christ actually walked, you know, so we started to notice those kinds of differences and we just we really just wanted to find the truth. | 基督实际走过的步子, 你知道,所以我们开始注意到这些差异, 我们只是想找到真相。 |
| 523 | You know, what is the truth and you see how my whole family dives into kids are doing it now, you know, with the with the the Gita and it's and it's really just just trying to find our way, you know, in in this world. | 你知道,什么是真理,你看,我的整个家庭 潜入孩子们现在正在做, 你知道,用吉塔, 它真的只是试图找到我们的方式, 你知道,在这个世界上。 |
| 524 | Yeah, and and and and I love that and I was so fascinated by that myself because I saw that within myself. | 是啊,我爱它,我对它很着迷 因为我在自己内部看到了它。 |
| 525 | And so when I saw it with you and the family, I was I was so drawn to that because yeah, I think that a lot of what we're trying to figure out in today's world has been suffered for long enough in an internal way that when you're diving into these books o | 所以当我看到你和家人在一起时, 我被吸引了起来 因为,我想,我们想在今天的世界中 找出的很多东西 已经以内在的方式 承受了足够长的时间, 当你潜入这些智慧的书里时, 那里就足够了。 |
| 526 | Because people have been through the same challenges for decades and decades and decades. | 因为几十年来,人们经历了同样的挑战。 |
| 527 | The problems have already been solved and solved, you know, and at the core of all of the, you know, the the spiritual teachings that I've ever studied at the at the the core of all of the ideas. | 问题已经解决和解决了,你知道的,也是所有,你知道的,我曾经研究过的精神教义的核心,是所有思想的核心. |
| 528 | How you treat your neighbor is central, right? | 你怎么对待你的邻居是中心,对不对? |
| 529 | Yes, absolutely. | 是的,当然。 |
| 530 | Yet somehow people manage to twist, you know, in all the faiths and all backgrounds, people do unto others as you would have them do unto you is very clear. | 然而,不知何故,人们设法扭曲, 你知道,在所有信仰和各种背景中, 人们对别人做,就像你希望他们对你做一样, 是非常清楚的。 |
| 531 | If you ask yourself that question, well, in this situation, how would I have them do unto me? | 如果你问自己这个问题, 那么,在这种情况下,我怎么让他们对我做? |
| 532 | And you did that. | 你这样做。 |
| 533 | You'd never have a problem because the answer is never going to be. | 你永远不会有问题 因为答案永远不会是。 |
| 534 | I think they should curse me out and spit on me and what my ass because I was tripping. | 我觉得他们应该诅咒我 吐口水给我和我的屁股 因为我在绊倒。 |
| 535 | I think you're right. | 我想你是对的 |
| 536 | If I were in this situation, how would I want them to treat me? | 如果我是在这种情况下, 我要他们怎么对待我? |
| 537 | Right. | 对 |
| 538 | It's huge. | 这是巨大的。 |
| 539 | It's the most simple yet the most profound. | 这是最简单但最深刻的。 |
| 540 | Yeah, it's weird. | 是啊,这很奇怪。 |
| 541 | Our teachers in the ashram would always tell us and I've said this to you before, but they'd always tell us that these principles, you'll learn them on day one. | 我们的老师总是会告诉我们 我之前说过,但他们总是告诉我们 这些原则,你将在第一天学习。 |
| 542 | You'll think that you know them on day two, but you spend your whole life trying to realize. | 你会认为你认识他们 在第二天, 但你花一生 试图意识到。 |
| 543 | Yes. | 对 |
| 544 | And that's the challenge with us that we take what we learn on day one and what we know on day two to be like, I already know that. | 这就是我们面临的一个挑战, 我们把第一天学到的东西 和第二天学到的东西 都变成这样,我已经知道了。 |
| 545 | Yes, exactly. | 没错 |
| 546 | And then the teaching doesn't what I love about what we've been doing is like the teaching gets to like reveal itself to you. | 然后,教学不是我喜欢的 关于我们一直在做的 是像教学得到喜欢 暴露自己给你。 |
| 547 | It's like it's always opening up. | 如常开示. |
| 548 | It's like a lotus flower. | 如莲花. |
| 549 | It's always blooming. | 常开花. |
| 550 | It's not like, oh, it's open now. | 它不是,哦,现在开放。 |
| 551 | It doesn't matter. | 没关系 |
| 552 | It's like always opening up to you. | 这就像总是开放给你。 |
| 553 | And if you give it that time and patience, then you can truly see it grow and bloom into something. | 如果你给它时间和耐心, 那么你可以真正看到它生长和开花成某种东西。 |
| 554 | If you just try and force it open, if you force the flower open, it would just break. | 如果你只是试图强迫它打开, 如果你强迫开花, 它会只是打破。 |
| 555 | Yes, exactly. | 没错 |
| 556 | And that's what happens. | 亦复如是. |
| 557 | What I say to you all the time is to give people a sense of it. | 我常对你说的就是给人们一种感觉. |
| 558 | So we were doing, you know, two to four hours a day, you know, a few days a week for months. | 所以我们每天做两到四个小时, 你知道,每周几天做几个月。 |
| 559 | For months, yes. | 几个月,是的。 |
| 560 | For months, you know, and, you know, we were spending as much time together as we would spend with our families or other things. | 几个月来,你知道的, 而且,你知道,我们花的时间 在一起,就像我们花 我们的家庭或其他东西。 |
| 561 | So we've logged some real hours in this last year. | 去年我们记录了几小时 |
| 562 | And the thing that was always amazing to me is that we could take eight hours. | 对我来说总是很神奇的是 我们可以花8个小时 |
| 563 | Right. | 对 |
| 564 | And we spend it and we get it and we study. | 我们花光它,我们得到它,我们学习。 |
| 565 | We do all of that. | 我们做这一切。 |
| 566 | And you leave my house and I pick up my phone. | 你离开我家,我拿起我的电话。 |
| 567 | How quickly somebody could snatch me. | 有多快有人能抢走我 |
| 568 | And it really is a serious moment to moment practice to remember to be nice to people. | 这真的是一个严肃的时刻,需要时刻练习来记住对人好。 |
| 569 | Well, you get sucked back into the foolishness so hard and so fast. | 那么,你被吸回 愚蠢的如此艰难和迅速。 |
| 570 | And that was frustrating to me for a while. | 这让我很沮丧 |
| 571 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 572 | Like literally we would do eight hours and I'm great. | 像字面上,我们会做 8小时,我很好。 |
| 573 | I'm great. | 我没事 |
| 574 | And you wouldn't be off of this off of the block yet. | 你还没离开这个街区呢 |
| 575 | And I pick up my phone and it's a business call. | 我拿起我的电话,这是一个商业电话。 |
| 576 | And literally that fast, like literally in 45 seconds, my mind could get triggered back into that mindset. | 从字面上讲,45秒后,我的思想会恢复到这种心态。 |
| 577 | I know now that that's just it's every day. | 我现在知道,这只是每天。 |
| 578 | You don't get to know it and be done. | 汝等亦不获知而得成就. |
| 579 | It's a daily practice for the rest of your life to be able to deal with the foolishness of this world in a way that's productive and kind. | 平生平时的日常实践,就是能以有产和善良的方式应对这个世界的愚蠢. |
| 580 | Now everyone knows I'm terrible at what I do. | 现在大家都知道我做坏事了 |
| 581 | It's like Jay, you're really bad at this. | 这就像杰伊,你真的很坏这一点。 |
| 582 | Jay, you should have left Will with a little more girth than that. | 杰伊,你应该让威尔 拥有一点比这更多的魅力。 |
| 583 | I know. | 我知道,我记得 |
| 584 | You can't even last two seconds with that. | 你连两秒钟都撑不下去的 |
| 585 | That's terrible. | 这太可怕了 |
| 586 | You're working with years of sediment. | 你在和多年的沉积物打交道 |
| 587 | All of us lifetimes like the conditioning is so strong. | 我们所有人的一生都如此坚固 |
| 588 | And it's almost like when we start to do the work, you're walking into a garden full of weeds. | 这几乎就像当我们开始工作的时候, 你走进一个充满杂草的花园。 |
| 589 | All the flowers are covered. | 一切花被盖. |
| 590 | All the beauty of the garden is covered in weeds. | 园林之美,皆以草裹之. |
| 591 | And so you're cutting down the weeds. | 所以,你削减的杂草。 |
| 592 | But because you've been watering the weeds for so long, they keep growing back. | 但是因为你给杂草浇水太久了,所以它们一直生长回来. |
| 593 | And so you keep cutting them down and they keep growing back. | 所以,你继续削减它们 和它们不断生长回。 |
| 594 | It's the analogy of the mirror that's given in the Vedic tradition around how when you walk in and you try and clean a mirror that hasn't been cleaned for lifetimes, it's dusty. | 这是Vedic传统中给的镜像的类比, 围绕你走进去,试图清理一面镜子, 它已经是尘埃。 |
| 595 | And so when you start cleaning it, the dust comes up in your face and you're like, oh, I can't see. | 所以当你开始清理它, 尘土从你脸上涌出来,你就像,哦,我看不见。 |
| 596 | I can't see. | 我看不见。 |
| 597 | And that's what we're all going through. | 亦复如是一切众生. |
| 598 | And when you start realizing what you just said, the day to day, it's like if all of us said we want to plant. | 当你开始意识到你刚才说的话, 一天到一天, 它就像如果我们都说 我们要栽培。 |
| 599 | I keep using gardening analogies, but it's only because it makes so much sense. | 我总是用园艺类比, 但这只是因为它有这么多意义。 |
| 600 | I feel because we're so disconnected from nature, our mindset has become instant and our mindset has become now. | 我觉得,因为我们与自然如此脱节, 我们的思维已经瞬间, 我们的思维已经变成现在。 |
| 601 | Whereas when you watch nature, nature is never instant. | 当你看大自然时 自然永远不会瞬息万变 |
| 602 | I call that hunting versus farming. | 我称之为狩猎和农耕 |
| 603 | Right. | 对 |
| 604 | Hunting versus farming where people just let's get it. | 狩猎和农耕 在那里人们只是让我们得到它。 |
| 605 | Let's get it and eat. | 师便吃. |
| 606 | That's a great idea. | 这主意不错 |
| 607 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 608 | You know, versus now we're going to plant the crops. | 你知道,现在我们要去种作物。 |
| 609 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 610 | Yeah, because it's the idea that if you if me and you said we want to plant a tree, you'd have to come back to that tree every day to see how it was doing. | 是啊,因为这就是一个想法,如果你说 如果我们想种一棵树, 你不得不每天回到那棵树 看它是如何做的。 |
| 611 | And it wouldn't be a tree for many, many years, but you'd have to come back every day, water it, sunlight, move it, replant the soil. | 它不会是一棵树很多年, 但你必须每天回来, 给它浇水, 阳光, 移动它, 重新种植土壤。 |
| 612 | And that's what we're doing with ourselves. | 这就是我们自己在做什么。 |
| 613 | For some reason, because we're so disconnected from nature now, we think that, oh, if I just meditate today, then it's, you know, it's like saying, oh, I'll eat today and I don't have to eat tomorrow. | 因为某种原因,因为我们现在与自然如此脱节, 我们觉得,哦,如果我今天只是冥想, 那么,你知道,它就像说,哦,我今天吃,我明天不用吃。 |
| 614 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 615 | Or I showered last week. | 或者我上周洗过澡 |
| 616 | I showered last week. | 我上周洗过澡 |
| 617 | I'm good. | 我没事 |
| 618 | But yeah, it's, you know, and I again, it was your commitment. | 但是,是的,你知道, 我再次,这是你的承诺。 |
| 619 | I remember when we were on that first phone call and I was like, you were like, oh, yeah, I want to work on this. | 我记得我们第一次打电话的时候 我当时想,你好像, 哦,是的,我想做这个。 |
| 620 | I was like, how much time do you have? | 我当时想,你有多少时间? |
| 621 | How much time do you have? | 你有多少时间? |
| 622 | And I would, you know, you're Will Smith something and you don't have any time. | 而我会,你知道,你是威尔史密斯的东西 而你没有时间。 |
| 623 | And I don't know how serious you get yet. | 我不知道你有多认真 |
| 624 | I'm not aware yet of how immersed and obsessed you get with stuff. | 我还没意识到你是如何沉浸和迷恋的东西。 |
| 625 | I'm still learning about you. | 我还在了解你 |
| 626 | And then you're like, I've got two hours. | 然后你就喜欢, 我有两个小时。 |
| 627 | And I was like, all right, two hours a week, two hours bi-weekly, two hours monthly. | 我像,好吧,每周两小时,每两周两小时,每月两小时。 |
| 628 | You're like, no, two hours a day. | 你就像,不,每天两小时。 |
| 629 | And I was like, wow, he's real. | 而我就像,哇,他是真实的。 |
| 630 | I was like, he's serious. | 我说,他是认真的。 |
| 631 | I was like, wow, he's for real. | 我说,哇,他是真的。 |
| 632 | And then, you know, it was just, it was, and I'd go away and you re-inspired so much of my own study. | 然后,你知道,它只是,它是, 我走开,你重新激励这么多 我自己的研究。 |
| 633 | And that's what I was telling you over Christmas, which is when we kind of broke off as I went to London and you've been traveling. | 这就是我在圣诞节时告诉你的, 也就是当我去伦敦旅行时,我们分手了。 |
| 634 | It's like I spend the whole of Christmas reading myself for four to eight hours a day, meditating again. | 就像我花了整个圣诞节 阅读自己每天4到8小时, 再次冥想。 |
| 635 | That's beautiful. | 赞曰. |
| 636 | Because I felt I had to be more to give you more. | 因为我觉得必须多给你一些 |
| 637 | That's beautiful. | 赞曰. |
| 638 | And I think that that was such a gift you gave me where I fell back in love with what I fell in love with years ago. | 我认为这是你给我的礼物 在那里我又爱上了几年前我爱上的东西 |
| 639 | That's beautiful. | 赞曰. |
| 640 | Because of the work we were doing. | 因为我们的工作。 |
| 641 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 642 | And because when you're answering someone's questions, you have to read deeper and think more and reflect more. | 因为当你回答别人的问题时,你必须更深入地阅读,思考更多,反思更多. |
| 643 | And so for me, I went away from those meetings going, gosh, I better start reading more. | 因此,对于我,我离开 那些会议去,天哪,我最好开始阅读更多。 |
| 644 | But that's what's so beautiful about sharing something like that together. | 但是,这是为什么如此美丽 分享类似的东西在一起。 |
| 645 | It was great when the Radhanath Swami, when you told him that you were going to be working with me. | 当Radhanath Swami, 当你告诉他你会和我一起工作的时候, 真是太好了. |
| 646 | And I just loved his response. | 我很喜欢他的反应 |
| 647 | You say, oh, that is so great. | 你说,哦,这太棒了。 |
| 648 | You're going to get to teach all of the things you need to learn. | 即得教化一切众生所学. |
| 649 | I remember. | 我记得 |
| 650 | I was just telling him, I was explaining to him how sincere you are. | 我只是告诉他 我在向他解释你有多真诚 |
| 651 | And I was like, you know, he's so serious and he's sincere. | 我很喜欢,你知道, 他是如此严肃和真诚。 |
| 652 | And that's when he came back with it. | 这时他带着它回来. |
| 653 | That's when you know you've got a good teacher. | 即知有善师子. |
| 654 | You know how to squash your ego and make you realize how small you are. | 你知道如何压抑你的自我 让你意识到自己有多小 |
| 655 | And it was beautiful because from that moment, that was my attitude when I was meeting you. | 它很美,因为从那一刻起, 这就是我遇见你时的态度。 |
| 656 | I was like, I'm saying this for me, I'm saying this for you. | 我当时想,我说这个对我来说,我说这个给你。 |
| 657 | And that allows you to be so much more, just allows you to get out of the way and let the wisdom do its work. | 这使得你能够做更多的事情, 只是让你走出障碍,让智慧做它的工作。 |
| 658 | That's so real. | 这是那么真实。 |
| 659 | The central problem that has been the focus of my life and everything that I've done has been centered on having a successful love relationship. | 一直以来作为我人生焦点的核心问题,以及我所做的一切,都以成功恋爱关系为中心. |
| 660 | Right. | 对 |
| 661 | So I saw my parents when they were growing up and I hated that my parents marriage deteriorated. | 所以我看见我父母长大时 我恨父母婚姻恶化 |
| 662 | And, you know, as young as I can remember, five, six years old, I wanted to be married. | 而且,你知道, 年轻,我记得, 五,六岁, 我想结婚。 |
| 663 | I wanted to have a family. | 我想有一个家庭。 |
| 664 | I've never been the guy that, you know, wanted to do threesomes and groupies. | 我从来就不是那个想做"三人帮"的人 |
| 665 | And I like I just I've never been that guy. | 我喜欢我从没做过那种人 |
| 666 | I always wanted to commit and have a single successful relationship. | 我一直想承诺 并有一个单一的成功关系。 |
| 667 | So the scientist in my mind and in my study of spiritual texts and things like that, I've always been looking for the secret to successful love relationships. | 因此,我心中的科学家,在我研究精神文本之类的事物时,我一直寻找成功爱情关系的秘诀. |
| 668 | And then as I've grown, it's sort of expand it. | 然后随着我的成长, 它有点扩张。 |
| 669 | And I'm seeing the through line. | 我看见了整个线。 |
| 670 | Oh, the same basic ideas are successful parenting and the same basic ideas are being a successful follower or a successful leader or a successful student. | 哦,同样的基本思想是成功的育儿,同样的基本思想是成功的追随者,成功的领袖或成功的学生. |
| 671 | And I started to see the central issues with all of human relating. | 我开始看到所有与人类有关的中心问题。 |
| 672 | And it's it's the problems or it's not even problems. | 而这是问题 或者甚至不是问题。 |
| 673 | The problem is really singular. | 问题非常特殊。 |
| 674 | And if you're talking about a husband and a wife or you're talking about a parent and a child or a Democrat and a Republican or a Saudi and an American, | 如果你说的是丈夫和妻子 或是父母和孩子 或是民主党人 共和党人 沙特人和美国人 |
| 675 | in all of the configurations of of human difficulty at the at the center of it is almost exclusively a lack of understanding of the other person's perspective. | 在中心的人的困难的所有布局中,几乎完全是缺乏对他人观点的理解. |
| 676 | Right. And, you know, it sounds simple and it may oversimplify slightly. | 对 而且,你知道,这听起来很简单, 它可能有点过于简单。 |
| 677 | But the concept of ignorance, the concepts of ignorance and delusion are always the problem. | 但无知的概念,无知和妄想的概念总是问题所在. |
| 678 | Yeah. Right. | 对 对 |
| 679 | It's always the center. | 常为中心. |
| 680 | If you have a difficulty with another human being, there's some point of ignorance and some point of delusion that are keeping you from being able on both sides. | 如果你对另一个人有困难的话,有些是无知的点,有些是妄想的点,使你无法在两边做到. |
| 681 | Right. And the the problem is you can only worry about yours. | 对 问题是你只能担心你 |
| 682 | You have to clear yours. | 你必须清理你的。 |
| 683 | And then once you clear yours and your vision gets clean and purified and you approach a person from a purified space, things get a whole lot easier. | 然后,一旦你清除你的 和你的视觉 得到清洁和净化, 你接近一个人 从一个纯洁的空间, 事情变得容易很多。 |
| 684 | You know, and it's like you're you're you are always bringing poison to the party. | 你知道,这就像你 你总是给党带来毒药。 |
| 685 | And when you recognize that in any difficulty you're having with any human being, you brought poison to the party. | 当你意识到你和任何人在任何困难中 都会给派对带来毒药 |
| 686 | Right. And if you can focus on locating and purifying the poison you brought, it opens up entirely new avenues of connection and compromise and solutions that you can create with a person. | 对 如果你能专注于寻找和净化 你带来的毒药, 它打开了全新的渠道 连接,妥协和解决方案 你可以与一个人一起创造。 |
| 687 | And, you know, that has really been the central focus of my life. | 而且,你知道,这 真的是我生活的中心焦点。 |
| 688 | And being an actor has been spectacular in that way because my life is exploring my mind, you know, and changing it. | 作为一名演员 以这种方式是壮观的 因为我的生活正在探索我的思维, 并改变它。 |
| 689 | Right. When I play a character who believes something that I don't believe, I have to learn how to feel something that's in opposition to my truth, which is a spectacular skill set to have to uproot beliefs, implant new ideas and have them blossom on came | 对 当我扮演一个相信一些我不相信的东西的人物时,我必须学会如何感受一些与我的真理相悖的东西,这是一种壮观的技巧设定,它必须根除信仰,植入新的想法,并在正确的时刻让这些想法在镜头上开花. |
| 690 | You know, it's been such a powerful inner process of development to explore acting in conjunction with spirituality and supreme absolute truth, you know, to explore that as my job is fantastic. | 你知道,这是一个强大的内在发展进程, 探索与精神和最高的绝对真理结合行动, 探索我的工作是奇妙的。 |
| 691 | Everyone should be trained as an actor. | 每个人都应该接受演员培训。 |
| 692 | When you first said that to me, when you first said that to me, I was like, I never thought of it. | 当你第一次对我说, 当你第一次对我说, 我很喜欢,我从来没有想过。 |
| 693 | And obviously I'm not an actor. | 显然我不是演员 |
| 694 | And so I wouldn't know that. | 这样我就不知道了 |
| 695 | But when you said that to me, I was like, wow, that's like how people should be taught how to be students. | 但当你对我说,我就像,哇, 这就像人们应该如何 教如何成为学生。 |
| 696 | Right. Because the idea that you have the skill set and it's a skill to put your beliefs aside and go, I need to live by the beliefs that this character would die for. | 对 因为认为你拥有技能 并且这是把信仰抛在一边去的技巧, 我需要生活在这个角色会为之牺牲的信念中。 |
| 697 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 698 | And what would they be willing to die for? | 他们为什么要死? |
| 699 | And then you're experimenting with it and then you can see whether you like it or not and how it feels. | 然后你在试验,然后你可以看到你是否喜欢,感觉如何。 |
| 700 | Whereas most of us are so grounded in our own beliefs that we don't know how to take that hat off and put another one on. | 虽然我们大部分人都以自己的信仰为依托 却不知道该如何摘下帽子再戴上 |
| 701 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 702 | And that's where all of our issues come from, because that story of someone else, someone that you know that did that extremely well in probably the most difficult circumstances with Nelson Mandela. | 而这正是我们所有的问题的来源, 因为那个故事 关于别人, 你认识的人, 做了非常好 在可能是最困难的情况下 与纳尔逊·曼德拉。 |
| 703 | Yes, absolutely. | 是的,当然。 |
| 704 | You know, you've spoken. | 你说过话 |
| 705 | We've spoken about many times. | 我们说过很多次了 |
| 706 | You've spoken about it publicly many times. | 你已经公开谈论过很多次了 |
| 707 | I found this clip of you guys together. | 我发现你们在一起的片段 |
| 708 | Oh, yeah. | 对 |
| 709 | That I have to show you. | 我必须告诉你。 |
| 710 | It's a while ago, but it's it's really it's I've watched this whole. | 这是一段时间前,但它的确是 我看过这一切。 |
| 711 | I would watch anyone who's watching. | 我会看着任何人在看。 |
| 712 | You have to go watch the whole thing. | 你必须去看整个事情。 |
| 713 | I'm only showing Will a short clip. | 我只是给威尔看一个短片 |
| 714 | But it's this clip here. | 但这是这个剪辑。 |
| 715 | I don't know if you remember, I was saying to you, you know, I'm an actor. | 我不知道你是否记得,我跟你说,我是演员 |
| 716 | I make rap music. | 我做说唱音乐。 |
| 717 | That's what I do. | 我就是这样 |
| 718 | What can I do? | 我能怎么办? |
| 719 | And, you know, I sat with Mr. Mandela was so inspired. | 我和曼德拉先生坐在一起很受启发 |
| 720 | You know, you want to immediately you want to quit your job. | 你要是想马上辞职 |
| 721 | You know, you want to go out in the streets. | 你知道,你想出去 在街道上。 |
| 722 | You know, you want to fight. | 你知道,你想战斗。 |
| 723 | He said, he said, no, you have to understand the power of what it is that you do. | 他说,他说,不,你必须明白 你做什么的力量。 |
| 724 | You have to understand the hope that is created by the work that you create. | 你必须明白你创作的作品所创造的希望. |
| 725 | And he told me that don't not to force it, that the call would speak to me. | 他告诉我,不要强迫它, 那电话会告诉我。 |
| 726 | And today the call has spoken to me in a humbly, gratefully and will aggressively respond. | 今天,这个电话以谦卑、感激和积极的态度向我发出呼吁。 |
| 727 | And thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 728 | You have to tell me what he said. | 你得告诉我他说了什么 |
| 729 | That's Willow sitting on it. | 即是柳坐着. |
| 730 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 731 | It gets better. | 越来越好。 |
| 732 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 733 | Goodness. | 天呐 |
| 734 | I'm talking about that. | 我说的。 |
| 735 | Willow. | 杨柳. |
| 736 | That's wild. | 这是疯狂的。 |
| 737 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 738 | I mean, there are so many I could show you. | 我的意思是,有这么多 我可以告诉你。 |
| 739 | That was when I was so many. | 那时我很多。 |
| 740 | That's fantastic. | 这太棒了。 |
| 741 | Beautiful clips of you two together. | 你们俩的片段很美 |
| 742 | No, that was that was that was one of the you know, I'm not I'm not a man prone to regrets. | 不,那是你知道的, 我不是一个容易后悔的人。 |
| 743 | You know, and we talked about this a lot, but that was one of the that was one of the regrets. | 你知道,我们经常谈论这个问题, 但这是一个遗憾。 |
| 744 | And, you know, I'm making my way back around to the ideas. | 而且,你知道,我正在做 我的方式回到想法。 |
| 745 | And that's, you know, part of our relationship. | 那是我们关系的一部分 |
| 746 | And rather not Swami. | 更不为斯瓦米. |
| 747 | But I was sitting with Mr. Mandela. | 但我当时和曼德拉先生坐在一起。 |
| 748 | It may have even been that day. | 可能就是那天了 说不定是那天 |
| 749 | And we were sitting was calm. | 我们坐着很平静 |
| 750 | He just had this look on his face. | 他脸上只有这个表情 |
| 751 | And I said, I said, what's that look on your face? | 我说,我说,你脸上是什么表情? |
| 752 | And he was kind of looking. | 他看着呢 |
| 753 | He was just watching people. | 他只是在监视别人 |
| 754 | I said, you know, something that the rest of us don't know. | 我说,你知道,一些我们不知道的东西。 |
| 755 | He definitely did. | 他绝对是 |
| 756 | He looked at me. | 他看着我 |
| 757 | And he the look that I recognize now was he said, oh, right. | 他的外表我现在认出来了 他说,哦,对了。 |
| 758 | That he was like, that's the right question. | 他喜欢, 这是一个正确的问题。 |
| 759 | You know, and he said, he said, if you come spend some time with me, I'll teach you. | 他说 如果你来陪我 我教你 |
| 760 | And somehow I was so I just felt so unworthy of that. | 不知怎的,我感觉自己很不值得 |
| 761 | He reached out to me every year before he died. | 他死前每年都联系我 |
| 762 | And, you know, he said, I'm an old man. | 而且,你知道,他说, 我是个老人。 |
| 763 | You need to come spend some time with me. | 你得来陪我一下 |
| 764 | And I just felt unworthy. | 我只是觉得不值得 |
| 765 | You know, and he wanted to teach me what we're studying. | 你知道,他想教我 我们学习。 |
| 766 | You know, he went, you know, I've tasted a little bit of what he wanted to teach me. | 你知道,他去了,你知道, 我已经尝到了一点点 他想要教我。 |
| 767 | And the question is, how can you smile in this world? | 问题是,你怎么能在这个世界上微笑呢? |
| 768 | You know, because you're not going to change it. | 你知道, 因为你不会改变它。 |
| 769 | You know, you're going to you're going to do your part. | 你知道,你要去 你做你该做的。 |
| 770 | But this this this world is chaotic and it's brutal and it can be really unloving. | 但是这个世界是混乱的,是残酷的, 它可能真的不爱。 |
| 771 | And how do you do your part with a smile on your face? | 如何做你的角色 用微笑在你的脸上? |
| 772 | You know, and it was it's really beautiful. | 你知道,这是真的很漂亮。 |
| 773 | One of the few things not not even, you know, I know things happen in there in their time. | 少数的事情之一 甚至连,你知道, 我知道事情发生在那里 在他们的时间。 |
| 774 | So it's not a not a regret, regret, regret. | 所以,这不是一个不后悔,后悔,后悔. |
| 775 | But it's like a regret. | 却如是悔. |
| 776 | Well, I always say to you that it's first of all, it's it's it's it's it's actually a very | 好吧,我总是告诉你,这是第一, 它实际上是一个非常 |
| 777 | it's actually a very the fact that you didn't go because you felt unworthy is at least from the traditions I've studied | 其实你没去是因为你觉得不值得 至少是我研究过的传统 |
| 778 | would be considered extremely good spiritual qualification for learning. | 将被视为极好的学习精神资格。 |
| 779 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 780 | Like when we think it's weird, like spiritual life is like it's teaching you self-worth without having low self-esteem. | 就像我们觉得这很奇怪, 就像精神生活 就像它教你自我价值,没有低自尊。 |
| 781 | Yes. | 对 |
| 782 | And you said it once in an interview, speaking about Nelson Mandela, you said like, you know, | 你曾在一次采访中说过, 谈到纳尔逊·曼德拉, 你说,你知道, |
| 783 | it's like being in his presence made you realize how small you were. | 就像在他面前 让你意识到自己有多小 |
| 784 | Yes. | 对 |
| 785 | But how big you could be. | 但你会有多大。 |
| 786 | How big. Yes. | 何等为大. 对 |
| 787 | Right. You said that. | 对 你说的 |
| 788 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 789 | I said that. Yeah. | 我说了 对 |
| 790 | You start saying that again. | 你又开始这么说了 |
| 791 | Yeah. That's good stuff. | 对 好东西 |
| 792 | Yeah. You said that. | 对 你说的 |
| 793 | You said that. | 你说的 |
| 794 | And it was when I heard you say that, I was like, that is spiritual self-worth. | 当我听到你说,我说,那是精神的自我价值。 |
| 795 | Like we live in a world today with self-worth or self-belief. | 就像我们今天生活在一个有自我价值或自我信仰的世界里. |
| 796 | I'm the best. | 我最厉害了 |
| 797 | I own this. | 这是我自己的 |
| 798 | I'm worthy of everything. | 我无愧于一切. |
| 799 | Of course Nelson Mandela wants to spend time with Andrew Smith. | 当然,纳尔逊·曼德拉想与安德鲁·史密斯共度时光. |
| 800 | That's material self-worth. | 这是物质的自我价值。 |
| 801 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 802 | But it's fickle and it's boring and it has no base to it. | 但它的微弱和无趣 它没有基础。 |
| 803 | It's baseless. | 这是毫无根据的。 |
| 804 | Whereas that feeling of like, as you said, that when I'm with him or when I was around him, | 而那种感觉,就像你说的, 当我和他在一起或当我在他身边, |
| 805 | I realized how small I was but how big I could be, that's spiritual self-worth. | 我意识到我是多么的渺小,但我是多么的渺小, 那是精神的自我价值。 |
| 806 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 807 | I mean, people often confuse humility with weakness or with low self-esteem. | 我的意思是,人们常常把谦卑和软弱混为一谈,或是自卑. |
| 808 | Like, oh, well, you must have had low self-esteem. | 喜欢,哦,嗯, 你一定有 低自尊。 |
| 809 | Right. | 对 |
| 810 | But it's not. | 然则不然. |
| 811 | It's just the idea that I still have to evolve a little bit to feel like... | 这只是一个想法,我仍然需要进化 一点点感觉像... |
| 812 | To deserve his time and attention. | 值得他的时间和关注。 |
| 813 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 814 | And because you had that, I feel you've continued in your way to find the... | 因为你有,我觉得你继续 的方式寻找... |
| 815 | And he's still involved in your life. | 他仍然参与你的生活 |
| 816 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 817 | And that's the beauty of it. | 则其美也. |
| 818 | If someone loves you that much, they don't stop... | 如果有人那么爱你 他们不会停止... |
| 819 | Like your grandmother, she didn't stop being involved in your life. | 就像你奶奶一样 她没停止参与你的生活 |
| 820 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 821 | And I felt every time you've spoken about him that you've brought him into my life just | 每当你谈论他的时候 我就觉得你把他带进我的生活 |
| 822 | by speaking about him and now into everyone else's life even more. | 说起他,现在进入其他人的生活 |
| 823 | And I'm sure... | 我敢肯定,我肯定... ... |
| 824 | Obviously, I can't speak on his behalf at all but all I can say is that his energy is | 显然,我完全不能代表他说话 但我只能说,他的能量是 |
| 825 | still in your life. | 还在你的生活中 |
| 826 | Yeah, that's real. | 是啊,这是真实的。 |
| 827 | He lives through it. | 他活过它。 |
| 828 | That is real. | 这是真实的。 |
| 829 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 830 | It美'. | |
| 831 | But I want to talk about a few more things before I let you go. | 但我想在放你走之前再谈几件事 |
| 832 | I could talk to you forever and we do do that so I won't do that today. | 我可以永远跟你说话,我们这样做 这样我就不会这样做了。 |
| 833 | But I wanted to talk to you about when you mentioned... | 但我想和你谈谈 当你提到... |
| 834 | Because I came back to this because this was the initial statement that was like, | 因为我回到这 因为这是最初的声明 喜欢, |
| 835 | I need to get to know Will. | 我需要了解威尔 |
| 836 | And it was when you said that you were channeling your inner Arjun. | 那时你说你在疏导你的内心阿君 |
| 837 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 838 | And you said that and I was just like, what? | 你说了,我就像,什么? |
| 839 | I was like... | и碞钩... |
| 840 | It's just two of my worlds collided. | 这只是我的两个世界碰撞。 |
| 841 | I grew up watching Freshman's every day. | 我每天都在看大一的时候长大 |
| 842 | I knew every pick-up line. | 我知道每条接线。 |
| 843 | I used every pick-up line because of you. | 我用了每条接线 因为你。 |
| 844 | I bought the Bad Boys suit. | 我买了坏男孩套装 |
| 845 | For me, that was my teenage years. | 对我来说,那是我的十几岁。 |
| 846 | Yeah, that's true. | 没错 |
| 847 | I watched Bad Boys for Life for the seventh time on the way here today to Dubai | 我今天在去迪拜的路上 第七次看"坏男孩" |
| 848 | because I was like, it's offensive to watch any other movie. | 因为我喜欢, 这是冒犯性看任何其他电影。 |
| 849 | So I've been a big fan for years. | 因此,我多年来一直是一个大粉丝。 |
| 850 | Then I go off to be a monk. | 后出为僧. |
| 851 | I come back and then I'm in the world and then I see you say this and I'm like, | 我回来,然后我在这个世界, 然后我看到你这样说,我就像, |
| 852 | what? | 你说什么? |
| 853 | To me, it was just... | 对我来说,这只是... |
| 854 | And obviously getting to know you after that has made me go, | 很明显地,在认识了你之后,我走了, |
| 855 | okay, God had a plan and this is all... | 好吧,上帝有一个计划 这一切... |
| 856 | But tell me about why Arjun as a character for you has been because you even, | 告诉我为什么Arjun作为你的角色 因为你甚至... |
| 857 | and I think this is because of you and your storytelling, | 我认为这是因为你和你说的故事, |
| 858 | you even brought Arjun in my life more to life. | 你甚至把Arjun带到我的生活里 |
| 859 | So tell me a bit about why Arjun was so synonymous with you. | 跟我说说为什么Arjun跟你是同义词 |
| 860 | You know, so there are figures in spiritual texts | 你知道,所以有数字 在精神文本 |
| 861 | and just in general for human beings, you know, being creatures of example. | 和一般的人类, 你知道,作为榜样的生物。 |
| 862 | And there's, you know, probably for five or six years before Arjun, | 而且,你知道,也许 在五六年之前,阿俊, |
| 863 | I just was stuck on Abraham. | 我只是被困在亚伯拉罕。 |
| 864 | I just loved Abraham's life, right? | 我只是爱亚伯拉罕的生活,对不对? |
| 865 | And I was following Abraham and on his deathbed, | 我追随亚伯拉罕, |
| 866 | he gets up to wash the feet of the guests in his house. | 他起床洗脚 客人在他的房子。 |
| 867 | You know, just stories like that, you know, just really stuck with me. | 你知道,只是这样的故事, 你知道,只是 真的坚持我。 |
| 868 | So then I started reading about Arjun | 于是我开始读阿俊 |
| 869 | and the circumstance that he was in, | 和当时的情况, |
| 870 | for people that don't know, Arjun is in a battle. | 对于不知道的人,阿琼在战斗。 |
| 871 | His family has tripped out. | 他的家人被绊倒了 |
| 872 | He's a wonderful archer. | 他是个出色的射手 |
| 873 | He's the best archer in the world. | 他是世界上最优秀的射手 |
| 874 | And his family trips out and take the kingdom. | 他的家族出游 夺取了王国 |
| 875 | And they're like, you know, they snatch his wife | 他们喜欢,你知道, 他们抢了他妻子 |
| 876 | and they're trying to disrobe his wife. | 他们想贬低他的妻子 |
| 877 | And he's looking like, you know, what are y'all jokers doing? | 他看起来像,你知道, 你们这些笑话在做什么? |
| 878 | And he comes home and he's like, and they seize the kingdom. | 他回到家,他喜欢, 他们夺取了王国。 |
| 879 | And he can't believe that they have done this. | 他不能相信他们这样做。 |
| 880 | And he, you know, he's a warrior and, you know, he could get the kingdom back. | 他,你知道,他是一个战士 而且,你知道,他可以夺回王国。 |
| 881 | You know, but these are his uncles and his brothers-in-law's | 你知道,但这些都是他的叔叔 和他姐夫的 |
| 882 | and his teachers and people that he loved and trusted. | 还有他的老师和他所爱和信任的人。 |
| 883 | And they took his kingdom and they prepared an army | 他们攻占了他的王国 他们准备了一支军队 |
| 884 | and they're going to fight Arjuna. | 他们要和阿朱娜决斗 |
| 885 | And he's devastated that his family and his friends | 他的家属和朋友 都让他伤心欲绝 |
| 886 | and all of that for material gain would do this to him. | 为了物质利益,所有这一切都会对他造成伤害。 |
| 887 | And he's deeply pious. | 而且他很虔诚 |
| 888 | And they prepare an army, the greatest army that's ever been assembled, | 他们准备了一支军队 有史以来最伟大的军队 |
| 889 | except that they don't know that God is driving Arjuna's chariot. | 但他们不知道上帝正在驾驶阿朱纳的战车 |
| 890 | Right. And they think they're going to tear through Arjuna. | 对 他们觉得自己会撕裂阿朱娜 |
| 891 | They're going to do all of this. | 他们会做这一切。 |
| 892 | But God is driving Arjuna's chariot. | 但上帝正在驾驶阿朱娜的战车 |
| 893 | And even in that, you know, Arjuna, he's like, | 即使在那,你知道, 阿朱娜,他喜欢, |
| 894 | how can me killing all of my family be the right answer? | 我怎么能杀了我所有的家人 才是正确的答案? |
| 895 | Right. | 对 |
| 896 | And on the other side of that, he's like, well, I'll just let them kill me. | 在另一边,他喜欢, 好吧,我就让他们杀了我。 |
| 897 | I'm not doing that. | 我不会那么做的 |
| 898 | There's no version of me going into battle with them. | 没有版本的我要去和他们战斗。 |
| 899 | I don't care how wrong they are. | 我不管他们有多错 |
| 900 | I don't care. | 我无所谓 |
| 901 | And as I just got deeper and deeper into that story, | 随着我越来越深入地了解这个故事 |
| 902 | it's like, I feel like that all the time. | 就像,我一直觉得这样 |
| 903 | Right. | 对 |
| 904 | I feel like I'm in what Radhanath Swami referred to as a perplexing situation. | 我觉得我陷入了拉达纳斯·斯瓦米所说的令人困惑的局面. |
| 905 | Always. | 永远 |
| 906 | Always. Right. | 永远 对 |
| 907 | That I feel stuck in a perplexing situation with people I love | 我觉得自己被困在 与我爱的人的困惑中 |
| 908 | where there's not clean answers. | 即无清净解脱之处. |
| 909 | Right. | 对 |
| 910 | And I always feel strong enough. | 我总是觉得很强壮 |
| 911 | Like, if you want to fight, we can fight. | 喜欢,如果你想战斗, 我们可以战斗。 |
| 912 | I know how to fight. | 我知道如何战斗。 |
| 913 | But how can that be the right thing, you know? | 但怎么会是正确的事情呢? |
| 914 | And I just really related to how the Gita handles those kinds of perplexing situations | 我只是和吉塔如何处理这些令人困惑的情况有关 |
| 915 | and recognizing that's what life is. | 承认生命就是这样 |
| 916 | You are born into a perpetual perplexing situation. | 你生来就陷入一个永远令人困惑的境地 |
| 917 | And that it was the first time that I'd ever heard the spiritual idea like that, | 我第一次听到这种精神想法 |
| 918 | that life is a perplexing situation. | 生活是一个令人困惑的情况。 |
| 919 | And you're never going to get around being stuck in the duality. | 你永远也不会被困在双重性中。 |
| 920 | You have to elevate above the whole thing. | 你必须超越一切 |
| 921 | And the Christian concept about that that I always heard and never understood fully, | 基督教的概念,我总是听到 和从来没有完全理解, |
| 922 | my grandmother would say all the time, you got to let go and let God. | 我奶奶会说,你必须放手,让上帝。 |
| 923 | Right. | 对 |
| 924 | And it was like that. | 就是这样 |
| 925 | The Gita filled in that concept of what it really means. | 吉塔就用这个概念来说明它的真正含义。 |
| 926 | It doesn't mean don't do anything. | 不谓无所不作. |
| 927 | Let go and let God doesn't mean don't do anything. | 放手,让上帝不意味着不做任何事情。 |
| 928 | It means do your divine duty, whatever that may be. | 意思是尽你的神圣职责 不管是什么 |
| 929 | And just for whatever reason, the study of the Gita at this particular point in my life | 无论出于什么原因 研究吉塔 在我生命的这个特殊时刻 |
| 930 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}真的澄清了许多如何过世界的想法 | |
| 931 | where you almost can't do it right. | 在那里你几乎无法做对。 |
| 932 | Right. | 对 |
| 933 | It's like there's God's plan, a practical joke. | 这就像有上帝的计划, 一个实际的笑话。 |
| 934 | Right. | 对 |
| 935 | You start seeing that there's a trick in there. | 你开始看到里面有诡计 |
| 936 | And the Gita illuminated that trick for me in a way. | 吉塔用某种方式为我点燃了那招 |
| 937 | I was like, how could I be the biggest movie star in the world, be the best at all of this, | 我当时想,我怎么会是 世界上最大的电影明星, 做最好的这一切, |
| 938 | and how you do not love me? | 你怎么不爱我? |
| 939 | Right. | 对 |
| 940 | And you know, how was my family miserable? | 你知道,我的家庭如何悲惨? |
| 941 | And it's like, that's the trick. | 这就像,这就是把戏。 |
| 942 | It's the practical joke. | 这是一个实际的笑话。 |
| 943 | That's beautifully explained. | 这解释得真好 |
| 944 | Because it's the perception of the right reaction. | 因为这是正确反应的感知. |
| 945 | Yes. | 对 |
| 946 | That's where we get lost. | 这就是我们迷路的地方 |
| 947 | For us, something, going back to what you said at the beginning, | 对我们来说,一些事情,回到你一开始说的话, |
| 948 | you were like there's no such thing as a bad experience. | 你就像没有坏经历一样 |
| 949 | We're looking at the result of our activities as a signal of how well we're living. | 我们把活动结果看成是生活状况的信号. |
| 950 | Yes, absolutely. | 是的,当然。 |
| 951 | And that messes us up because the result of your activities is not under your control. | 这使我们困惑 因为你们的活动结果 不受你们控制 |
| 952 | Yes, absolutely. | 是的,当然。 |
| 953 | And so if you're living your life based on the result of your activities being a signal that you're successful, | 所以,如果你生活在你的生活 基于你的活动的结果 作为一个信号,你的成功, |
| 954 | you're setting yourself up to, and all of us do it all the time. | 你自作自受 我们一直都这样 |
| 955 | I was using Jada's reaction to my actions as a measure of the quality of my actions. | 我用贾达对我的行为的反应来衡量我的行为质量. |
| 956 | And one thing has nothing to do with the other. | 而一件事与另一件事无关。 |
| 957 | And that's not what we're taught. | 这不是我们所教的 |
| 958 | And the concept that someone's reaction to your behavior is theirs and your behavior is yours. | 某人对你行为的反应是他们的,你的行为是你的。 |
| 959 | And when you try to marry the two, when you try to use the outcome as a measure of the quality of your own being, | 当你试图与两人结婚, 当你试图使用结果 作为衡量 你自己的品质, |
| 960 | that is the kiss of death. | 这是死亡之吻。 |
| 961 | Correct. | 没错 |
| 962 | The way that this material world works, you can do everything right and it still go wrong in terms of outcome. | 这个物质世界的运作方式,你可以做到一切正确,在结果上仍然是错误的. |
| 963 | And you can do everything wrong and it still goes right in the outcome. | 你可以做错任何事,结果仍然正确。 |
| 964 | In the outcome. | 结果中. |
| 965 | The outcome is not connected to the quality of your behavior. | 结果与你的行为品质无关. |
| 966 | And that is such a hard idea to digest. | 这是一个很难消化的想法。 |
| 967 | So when I started interacting with Jada and with my family as what a friend of mine, Mikaela, Mikaela Boone. | 所以当我开始与贾达和我的家人互动时 作为我的朋友,Mikaela,Mikaela Boone。 |
| 968 | Love Mikaela. | 爱美琪拉. |
| 969 | Yeah, what she refers to as a freestanding man. | 是啊,她所说的一个独立的男人。 |
| 970 | So I am I am certain and I am committed to being who I am and how I want to be without a craving for someone's approval. | 所以我很确定,我致力于成为我是谁,以及我如何想成为一个不需要别人同意的人。 |
| 971 | Right. | 对 |
| 972 | Because I know their approval doesn't have anything to do with me. | 因为我知道他们的批准跟我无关 |
| 973 | Right. | 对 |
| 974 | And, you know, sometimes we get stuck in these situations where we're seeking the approval of someone for our self esteem. | 有时候我们被困在这种情况下 为了自尊而寻求别人的认可 |
| 975 | Self esteem is about yourself. | 自尊是关乎你自己的 |
| 976 | But we start looking to other people for our self esteem. | 但我们开始向别人寻求自尊 |
| 977 | And, you know, sometimes we find ourselves looking in broken mirrors to get a reflection of ourselves. | 有时候我们发现自己 看着破碎的镜子来反映自己 |
| 978 | Right. | 对 |
| 979 | And the greatest tragedy is when you look into a broken mirror to see if you're pretty. | 最大的悲剧是 当你看着破碎的镜子 看看你是否漂亮。 |
| 980 | Right. | 对 |
| 981 | And you know, let that person tell you about your inner qualities. | 让那个人告诉你你的内在品质 |
| 982 | And the greatest tragedy is when you look in a broken mirror and you're going to change your face to try to look good in a broken mirror. | 而最大的悲剧是当你看着一个破碎的镜子,你会改变你的脸,试图在破碎的镜子中看起来好. |
| 983 | Man, I'm so glad to be free from that. | 男人,我很高兴 摆脱这一点。 |
| 984 | That was fantastic. | 这太棒了。 |
| 985 | Yeah, that is incredible. | 是啊,这是不可思议的。 |
| 986 | And that's it. | 且道. |
| 987 | That's that's that's literally it. | 就是这个意思 |
| 988 | When you can free yourself from that cycle. | 当能解脱轮回. |
| 989 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 990 | And it's a trap. | 则陷之. |
| 991 | 粗 rough. | |
| 992 | It's crazy. | 太疯狂了 |
| 993 | It just keeps you there. | 它只是让你在那里。 |
| 994 | And, you know, it's but that's what I think I keep seeing in your journey, like to see you at this stage in your career to still be growing, still be pushing. | 而且,你知道,这是, 但我认为我在你的旅程中一直看到, 喜欢看到你在这个阶段 你的职业生涯仍在成长, 仍在推动。 |
| 995 | I mean, for people who don't know, like I have to share this because it's what I find. | 我的意思是,对于不知道的人, 就像我不得不分享这个,因为这是我找到的。 |
| 996 | And this is the only time I get to tell everyone is, you know, like for me to see you on set busy, like, you know, I mean, for anyone who's never been on set, it can be a stressful environment. | 这是我唯一能告诉大家的,你知道的, 就像我看到你忙碌的场景, 比如,你知道,我的意思是,对于从未上过场的人来说, 这可能是一个紧张的环境。 |
| 997 | You're it's high pressure like you're acting. | 你表现的太高了 |
| 998 | You got to know your lines. | 你该知道你的台词 |
| 999 | You got to interact. | 你得互动 |
| 1000 | And the sun's going down. | 而阳气衰. |
| 1001 | Will would literally come back in the trailer and he'd be reading in between being on set. | Will真的会回到拖车里 然后他就会在拍档间读到 |
| 1002 | So reading spiritual text, spiritual books in between. | 所以阅读精神文本,精神书籍在两者之间. |
| 1003 | And I just saw that I was like, wow, like, you know, it takes so much effort and determination and hunger to be filling each and every gap with growth. | 我只是看到,我就像,哇,就像,你知道, 它需要如此多的努力和决心和饥饿 填补每一个差距 与增长。 |
| 1004 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1005 | And so for anyone who's listening to this podcast while they're driving to work, while they're commuting, while they're editing a video, however you are consuming this podcast, I want you to know like you're doing that same thing. | 所以对于任何在开车上班时听这个播客的, 当他们通勤时, 他们正在编辑一个视频, 不论你正在消耗这个播客, 我希望你知道,你正在做同样的事情。 |
| 1006 | You're committing to grow committing to grow in your gaps when you could just be doing something else like you could have been in your trailer. | 你承诺要加大差距 当你可以做别的事 就像你可能已经在你的拖车。 |
| 1007 | I don't know doing what people do in their trailer. | 我不知道人们在拖车里做什么 |
| 1008 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 1009 | I don't know what people do in their trailer. | 我不知道人们在拖车里做什么 |
| 1010 | No, that's my past. | 不,这是我的过去。 |
| 1011 | I don't do that in my trailer no more. | 我不这样做在我的拖车了。 |
| 1012 | I'm in there by myself now. | 我现在一个人进去了 |
| 1013 | You know, you know, and just I would see that dedication. | 你知道,你知道, 只是我会看到奉献。 |
| 1014 | And I think if you know to find time in between when you're filming a movie and it's a big budgets and all this everything and you're you're your focus was here. | 我认为如果你知道找到时间 之间的时间 当你拍摄一部电影 这是一个很大的预算 这一切 你是你的焦点在这里。 |
| 1015 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1016 | Your focus was here. | 你的焦点是在这里。 |
| 1017 | Even in amongst all of that. | 即使是在所有这些。 |
| 1018 | That was truly inspirational. | 这真是鼓舞人心。 |
| 1019 | And you know that that behind the scenes look at your your internal journey is has had such a big impact on my life. | 而且你知道,在幕后 看看你的内部旅程 对我的生活产生了很大的影响。 |
| 1020 | It's a no excuses. | 这不是一个借口。 |
| 1021 | Yeah, it's the only thing to do. | 是啊,这是唯一的事情。 |
| 1022 | Yeah, right. | 没错 |
| 1023 | So and that's to learn right to we have to free ourselves from the darkness of our own ignorance and the you wouldn't call some of something a problem if you understood it. | 所以,这就是要正确学习,我们必须从我们自己无知的黑暗中解放出来, 如果你理解,你就不会把某些事情称为问题。 |
| 1024 | The problem is you don't understand it. | 问题是你不明白 |
| 1025 | Right. That's why you're calling it a problem. | 对 故曰烦恼. |
| 1026 | Right. You don't you don't call things problems that you have complete comprehension of. | 对 你不认为你完全理解的问题。 |
| 1027 | Right. So the the the the process of freeing yourself from the pain and the misery of your difficulties and your problems is in you know constantly cultivating a broader comprehension of the deeper absolute truth of what's actually happening. | 对 所以,使自己摆脱困难和问题的痛苦的过程, 在于你不断培养一种更广泛的理解, 更深刻的绝对真理。 |
| 1028 | Right. And one of the things that I learned is that if I feel bad if I'm unhappy if I'm upset if I'm disrupted or disturbed the only thing that could do that is my ignorance. | 对 我所学到的一件事是,如果我感到难过, 如果我感到不快乐, 如果我感到不快乐,如果我被打乱了,或者被打扰了, 那唯一能做的就是我的无知。 |
| 1029 | That's the only thing that creates misery is you you you slip into a sort of hopelessness of not being able to figure it out. | 唯一造成痛苦的是你 陷入了无法解脱的绝望之中 |
| 1030 | You know and I just you know for me it's gotten to the to the place that life is school. | 你知道,我只是你知道,对我来说, 它得到的地方,生活是学校。 |
| 1031 | Right. You know you're not getting the promotion you want at work that's school get it figure it out. | 对 你知道你不会得到你想要的升迁 在学校得到它想出来的。 |
| 1032 | You know someone in your family is sick that school that's like life is the greatest teacher there is you just have to be willing to learn and recognizing that your pain and your suffering is the thing that the universe is poking at. | 你知道你家里有人生病了 学校就像生命是最棒的老师 你只需要愿意学习 并承认你的痛苦和痛苦 是宇宙所关注的事物 |
| 1033 | So you recognize that's where you're ignorant. Yeah you know you're you're you wouldn't be having those struggles in those areas if you had a deep broad comprehension of the fundamental realities of those situations. | 所以,你承认这是 你无知的地方。 是啊,你知道你是你 你是不会有这些斗争 在那些领域 如果你有深刻的 广泛理解 这些情况的基本现实。 |
| 1034 | Yeah it's so beautifully said again it's as I was listening to you I was thinking about how we're programmed to believe that life is for enjoyment. Right. But actually it's for education for education. | 是啊,它是如此美丽地说 再次,当我在听 你,我在想 我们是如何编程 相信生活是享受。 对 但实际上是为了教育教育. |
| 1035 | And we keep seeking enjoyment in the education. Yes. So we're trying to think we're in a candy shop. Yeah we're in a classroom. I call that the poisoned honey scenario. Right. You're you're seeking enjoyment. | 我们不断在教育中寻求享受。 对 所以我们想在糖果店里 是的,我们在教室里。 我称之为中毒的蜂蜜情景。 对 你在寻求享受 |
| 1036 | You want something sweet and you don't recognize that that honey is poisoned right. It's going to be sweet going down but it's you know the the kickback on that thing is something terrible. | 你想吃点甜的 却认不出蜂蜜是被毒死的 它会是甜蜜的 下去,但你知道 它的回扣 是可怕的东西。 |
| 1037 | Yeah yeah yeah and we see that we see that in you know what you're creating now and I remember we talked about how you're amazing as the genie and you were saying how you felt you got to be so much of you and in the character. | 是的,是的,我们看到,我们看到, 在你知道你正在创造什么 我记得我们谈到你是如何惊人 作为精灵, |
| 1038 | But even with the release of a mend that just came out like I feel like we've talked about this concept before and you brought it up you were like you know the sacred clown. Yeah. | 但是,即使释放了一个刚出来 像我感觉我们已经谈论过这个概念 你提出它,你就像你知道神圣的小丑。 对 |
| 1039 | And again it's a it's God's gift where you get to entertain make people laugh but you want to help people grow through that. Absolutely. And and that's really hard to do but you do that's you that's who you are and tell us about how that's now coming thro | 再说一遍,这是上帝的礼物,你在那里娱乐 让人们笑起来,但你想帮助人们通过这个成长。 当然 这真的很难做 但你做的,这就是你是谁, 告诉我们你现在的工作是如何完成的。 |
| 1040 | How you've actually brought this into reality because sometimes it can feel very heady. Yeah. But you've really been working hard on taking it out of the head into the heart and into the world. Yeah. | 你是如何把这件事变成现实的, 因为有时它会很头痛。 对 但是,你确实在努力 把它从头到心和世界。 对 |
| 1041 | Yeah. And that was that that was one of the things about Aladdin Aladdin that was so defining for me you know and that that concept of the sacred clown. I had written that down in one of my books you know five or six years ago and it's like at my core tha | 对 那就是阿拉丁·阿拉丁的其中一件事 对我来说非常明确,你知道的 以及那个神圣小丑的概念。 我写在我的一本书上 你五六年前就熟知了 就像在我的核心,我是谁或我想是谁。 |
| 1042 | But it's in there. It's in there really deep and in playing the genie it was like I was at home. Right. That combination of fun light silliness and the imparting wisdom to to Aladdin. Right. | 却入其中. 它在那里非常深 和在扮演精灵 它就像我在家里。 对 将乐趣和智慧传授给阿拉丁 对 |
| 1043 | I was like that. That's who I want to be in the world. I want to be singing and dancing and being silly and playing and all of that and then sneaking ideas in you know under the joy. | 我就是这样 即欲入世间者. 我想唱歌跳舞 傻傻的玩耍 然后在欢乐中偷偷想出点子 |
| 1044 | But I had I had heard that I think was the Lakota Indians or something like that. Native Americans. Yeah. They had the image of the the sacred clown which is often considered negative. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like I connected to it. It's like oh | 但我听说我想是拉科塔印第安人之类的人 美国原住民. 对 他们有圣小丑的形象 通常被认为是负面的。 对 对 对 对 但它就像我连接它。 这就像哦,这是对的。 这就是歌舞,所有的欢乐,所有的微笑,所有的乐趣。 |
| 1045 | It's a it's a just a beautiful conduit for the ideas and you know that's just that that's just at my core. That's I'm happiest in that space. Yeah. Beautiful. Well I could talk to you for hours and we will. I'm sure I'm going to let you I'm going to ask y | 这是一个它只是一个美丽的管道 想法,你知道,这只是我的核心。 我在那个空间里最快乐 对 美丽 我可以跟你谈几个小时 我们会的 臣等谨按:"资治通鉴"卷二百六十九 晋纪五 这些都是一个词的答案。 |
| 1046 | These are one word answers. One word. One word to one sentence. The fast five. Okay fast five. These are your fast five. The first is what is the best advice you've ever received. The best advice I've ever received. | 这些都是一个词的答案。 一个字 一字对一句. 斋五人. 好吧,快点5。 这些都是你的快5。 首先是你收到过最好的建议 我收到的最好的建议 |
| 1047 | The first day I got on the tour bus when we were leaving for the first time leaving Philly me and Jeff and all our squad and the last thing my grandmother said as the door was closed and she said she called me lover boy. | 我们第一次离开费城 我和杰夫以及我们所有的班 以及我祖母说的最后一件事时 门是关的 她说她叫我情人男孩 |
| 1048 | She she said she said hey lover boy remember be nice to everybody you pass on your way up because you just might have to pass them again on your way down. | 她说,嘿嘿爱人男孩 记得对每个人好 你通过你的上路 因为你只是需要再次通过 在你的下路。 |
| 1049 | And I was like that that that always stuck with me. I love that. That's great. All right. Second question what's the worst advice you ever received. The worst advice. | 我总是那样 一直跟着我。 我喜欢 赞曰. 好吧,我们走。 第二个问题,你收到的最差的建议是什么? 最坏的建议。 |
| 1050 | My boy Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack told me he said hey man listen listen listen. The way you make a woman love you to make a woman love you. You take out the dinner you know and then as you're going out to place you just knock somebody out because a woman | 我儿子查理・麦克 查理・麦克告诉我说,嘿,男人 听,听。 你让女人爱你的方式 让女人爱你 你把你知道的晚餐拿出来 然后当你要去 安置你只是打人出去 因为一个女人必须知道 你可以捍卫它。 |
| 1051 | You just knock somebody out and if you knock if you knock and it could be a stranger and you just you just knock somebody out and she see your strength and that's how she'll feel confident and it changes everything. | 你只要把某人打倒,如果你敲门... ...如果你敲门... ...它可能是陌生人... |
| 1052 | It changes your sexual life. It just changed everything about it. But you got to get them good and just knock somebody out. | 它改变了你的性生活。 它改变了一切 但你得让他们好起来 然后把别人打倒 |
| 1053 | Did you try it. Yeah no I never tried. | 你试过了吗? 是啊,我从来没有尝试过。 |
| 1054 | Oh that's brilliant. I love that. Oh man if you would have tried it. | 哦,这是辉煌的。 我喜欢 哦,伙计,如果你已经试过了。 |
| 1055 | Yeah no I never tried that. I kind of felt that that was bad advice in the moment. | 是啊,没有,我从来没有试过。 我有一种感觉,这是不好的建议 在此刻。 |
| 1056 | Third question I have to ask of all three. No two of them. One thing you learned learned from observing the life of Julia Serving and Muhammad Ali. | 第三个问题,我要问三个。 无二. 你从观察Julia Service和Muhammad Ali的生活学到的一件事 |
| 1057 | Oh wow. So so Julia Serving was like the man went right right in the heart of my childhood. The 76ers won the championship in 1983 in a four game sweep of the Lakers. | 哦,哇呜。 所以Julia Service就像那个男人 在我童年的心脏里 76人于1983年在湖人队的四场比赛扫射中夺得冠军. |
| 1058 | It was heaven you know Dr. J was in everything in Philly and I would say that the single thing with Doc is he was he was always dignified no matter what somebody said. | 你知道J医生在费城的一切都是天堂吗? 我想说的是,医生唯一能做的就是 不管别人说什么 他总是很有尊严 |
| 1059 | No matter what somebody did he got in one fight in his entire NBA career. But the idea that he was just perfectly still and he was an exquisite well-spoken gentleman. | 不管有人做了什么 他在他的整个NBA生涯中的一场比赛 但是,他的想法只是 完美的静止 他是一个精致的好说话的绅士。 |
| 1060 | And and that was the thing he was a killer on the court but you know he was he was he was just exquisitely elegant and peaceful while at the same time doing the thing and that balance of those two things I always thought was spectacular. | 这就是他在法庭上是个杀手 但你知道他是他 精致地优雅地和平地工作 同时我一直认为这两件事的平衡是惊人的 |
| 1061 | I love that. That's beautiful. You said Ali. Yeah. You guys spent so much. Yeah. There's some great interviews between you two. | 我喜欢 赞曰. 你说阿里。 对 你们花了很多钱 对 你们俩的访谈很精彩 |
| 1062 | Oh Ali Ali was hilarious. One of the things you know so Ali would just come to said he would walk around. He would walk away and just get on a bus. | 哦,阿里,阿里是笑话。 阿里会说他会到处走 他会走开 然后上巴士 |
| 1063 | We say yeah where's the champ and he would get on a bus and just ride a city bus and just ride with people no idea where the bus is going nothing no security anything like that right and he was engaged with you know people in a way I'd never seen anybody. | 我们说对了,冠军在哪里,他会坐上公交车,坐上城市公交车, 和人们一起搭车,不知道公交车去哪里 没有任何安全 任何类似的权利,他和你订婚的方式,我从来没有见过任何人。 |
| 1064 | Like as famous as he was he engaged with people in that way and I would say the total and utter submission to God right and he would he looked like he was arrogant. | 就像他以那种方式与人交往一样,我要说,他完全和完全顺从上帝,他看起来像是自大。 |
| 1065 | But it was it was the other way. It was like he was talking like that and acting like that because he was so utterly submissive to the will of God and that that combination. | 但这是另一条路 就像他那样说话 那样的行为 因为他完全顺从上帝的旨意 |
| 1066 | It just really inspired me with how I wanted to be with people in the world and I asked him why do you you just walk away with people like that and you know you know he said oh man you got to let these people see you. | 它真的启发了我 如何我想与人 在世界上,我问他 为什么你只是走 与这样的人, 你知道,你知道 他说哦男人,你必须让这些人看到你。 |
| 1067 | He said they they never seen nothing like you before you got you got to get out there and you got to touch them so they know you real people can't aspire to stuff that they don't think is real. | 他说,他们从来没有见过任何像你一样的东西 在你得到到那里之前,你必须触摸他们 所以他们知道,你真正的人不能 渴望的东西 他们不认为是真实的。 |
| 1068 | You know and it was like he was just so in tune with what he was you know and he that the the seemingly arrogant humility was was a beautiful combination I love that all right question number four. | 你知道,这就像他是如此的调适 与他是什么 你知道,他,看似傲慢的谦卑是一个美丽的组合 我喜欢所有的权利问题四。 |
| 1069 | What's the biggest lesson you've learned in the last 12 months in the last 12 months I would say the it's that. | 你在过去12个月里学到的最大教训是什么? |
| 1070 | It's that. | 就是这样 |
| 1071 | Ignorance and evil. | 无知恶业. |
| 1072 | Are twins. | 双胞胎 |
| 1073 | They look you look at you look at them and they look they look just alike. | 他们看着你 看着他们 他们看起来很相似 |
| 1074 | Except that ignorance can be educated and evil is a much more difficult problem. | 但是,无知是可以教育的,邪恶是一个更困难的问题。 |
| 1075 | And I would say I learned fortunately that ignorance is much more prevalent than blatant evil. | 我要说,我幸运地得知,无知比公然的邪恶更加普遍。 |
| 1076 | If that's a great that's a great answer yeah that makes a lot I mean that makes so much sense we have to have a whole. | 如果这是一个伟大的答案 是的,它有很多 我的意思是,有这么多 合理,我们必须有一个整体。 |
| 1077 | That makes a lot of sense. | 这有很多道理。 |
| 1078 | Fifth and final question if you could create one law in the world that everyone had to follow what would it be. | 第五个也是最后一个问题,如果你能在世界上建立一个每个人都必须遵守的法律。 |
| 1079 | One law that everyone had to follow. | 一条人人都必须遵守的法律。 |
| 1080 | That everyone had to follow. | 所有人都得跟随他 |
| 1081 | It would be that you have to repeat back what you heard the other person say before you're allowed to say what you think. | 在你被允许说出你的想法之前 你必须重复你听到别人说的话 |
| 1082 | That the law is you're not allowed to respond to what someone said until you repeat back what you heard and the person has multiple opportunities. | 法律是不允许你回应别人说的话 直到你重复你听到的 并且这个人有多种机会 |
| 1083 | No no no that's not I didn't that's not what I meant and until you repeat back accurately what the person said you don't get to talk. | 不,不,不,我不是这个意思 直到你准确地重复了那个人说的话... ...你不说话。 |
| 1084 | That is a great law I love that principle it helps in every area of life. | 这是一部伟大的法律 我喜欢这一原则 它有助于生活的各个方面。 |
| 1085 | Our minds go way off the deep end with what we heard somebody say and our response well first of all we're not really listening because we want to we already know what we want to say no matter what they say and we go really way off the deep end. | 我们的头脑与我们听到的人所说的话 和我们的反应相去甚远 首先,我们没有真正听 因为我们想要 我们已经知道我们想说什么 不管他们说什么, |
| 1086 | I was shocked and surprised by how far we can be from what someone actually said to what we heard. | 我震惊和惊讶地看到,我们距离有人对我们听到的说到底有多远。 |
| 1087 | Will is there anything I haven't let you share something in your heart right now that you like I have to say this and you want to share it. | 威尔,你喜欢我这么说,你却想分享,我一直不让你分享 |
| 1088 | It doesn't have to be but no not really. | 没必要,但不是真的 |
| 1089 | And that idea there was something that popped in when I was saying it that's called the broken calculator right so and it's about you know human interacting and that the the the ego can sometimes be a broken calculator in that imagine the seven is stuck d | 这个想法在我说的时候出现了一些东西, 它叫做破碎的计算器,所以你知道人类的相互作用, 自我有时可以是一个破碎的计算器, 想象七者被卡住了。 |
| 1090 | So every equation you punch in is seven equals seven equals seven equals seven equals seven right so no matter what you say to a person if they've experienced a trauma and in their trauma you know. | 所以,每一个你打的方程式是7等于7等于7等于7所以不管你对一个人说什么,如果他们经历了创伤和他们的创伤,你知道。 |
| 1091 | Men ain't shit men ain't shit so that's the broken seven so no matter what you say no matter how you behave it keeps coming up men ain't shit and getting our seven unstuck is a really critical part of being able to interact with other human beings because | 男人不是狗屎 男人不是狗屎 所以这就是破碎的七 所以不管你说什么 不管你如何行为 它不断出现 男人不是狗屎 得到我们的七 unstuck 是一个真正关键的一部分 能够与其他人类互动 因为我们是在画。 |
| 1092 | On everything we hear them say we're adding our stuck seven to everything they say and you just can't get the equation to come out correctly if your calculator is broken I love that yeah if everyone who goes away listening to this interview the one thing | 我们听到的每句话都说 我们把卡的7加到他们所说的每句话上 如果你的计算器坏了 你就不能正确得出方程式 |
| 1093 | I love that analogy that's awesome I never heard that before I love that yeah if everyone who goes away listening to this interview the one thing you remember is that what is that broken calculator what's that number you keep adding to the equation and yo | 我喜欢那个很棒的类比,我从来没有听说过 之前,我爱 是的,如果每个人都去 听到这个采访 你记得的一件事是,什么是破碎的计算器 |
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 0:00 | In that moment in the supermarket that I stand and I see these two brands and how to choose, | 那一刻,我站在超市 我看到这两个品牌和如何选择, |
| 0:05 | I choose this brand, the mystery of the universe. It isn't the mystery of the universe. | 我选择了这个品牌 宇宙的奥秘 这不是宇宙的奥秘 |
| 0:09 | We know today a lot about what's really happening in your brain, in your mind when you make this | 我们今天知道很多事情 发生在你的大脑里 发生在你的脑海里 当你做这个 |
| 0:16 | choice. And it's increasingly becoming easier and easier to manipulate these choices. | 选择。 而操纵这些选择变得越来越容易和容易。 |
| 0:23 | Thank you, everyone, for coming back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast | 谢谢各位回到健康播客的头号目标 |
| 0:28 | in the whole world. Thank you for making us the number one podcast in the world. It means so much | 在整个世界。 谢谢你让我们成为世界上的头号播客 这很重要 |
| 0:31 | to me. I'm so grateful for all your love, all your engagement, and most importantly, for choosing | 对我来说。 非常感谢你的爱,所有的订婚, 最重要的是,选择 |
| 0:37 | education, for choosing enlightenment, for choosing empowerment over everything else in the world. | 教育,选择启蒙,选择超越世界一切的赋权。 |
| 0:43 | You're taking out your time right now, whether you're walking your dog, you're at the gym, | 你现在在耗尽你的时间 不管你走你的狗, 你在健身房, |
| 0:47 | you're commuting to and from work. Thank you for taking this time to invest in yourself. | 你来回上班 谢谢你花这个时间投资你自己。 |
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| 1 | In that moment in the supermarket that I stand and I see these two brands and how to choose, | 那一刻,我站在超市 我看到这两个品牌和如何选择, |
| 2 | I choose this brand, the mystery of the universe. It isn't the mystery of the universe. | 我选择了这个品牌 宇宙的奥秘 这不是宇宙的奥秘 |
| 3 | We know today a lot about what's really happening in your brain, in your mind when you make this | 我们今天知道很多事情 发生在你的大脑里 发生在你的脑海里 当你做这个 |
| 4 | choice. And it's increasingly becoming easier and easier to manipulate these choices. | 选择。 而操纵这些选择变得越来越容易和容易。 |
| 5 | Thank you, everyone, for coming back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast | 谢谢各位回到健康播客的头号目标 |
| 6 | in the whole world. Thank you for making us the number one podcast in the world. It means so much | 在整个世界。 谢谢你让我们成为世界上的头号播客 这很重要 |
| 7 | to me. I'm so grateful for all your love, all your engagement, and most importantly, for choosing | 对我来说。 非常感谢你的爱,所有的订婚, 最重要的是,选择 |
| 8 | education, for choosing enlightenment, for choosing empowerment over everything else in the world. | 教育,选择启蒙,选择超越世界一切的赋权。 |
| 9 | You're taking out your time right now, whether you're walking your dog, you're at the gym, | 你现在在耗尽你的时间 不管你走你的狗, 你在健身房, |
| 10 | you're commuting to and from work. Thank you for taking this time to invest in yourself. | 你来回上班 谢谢你花这个时间投资你自己。 |
| 11 | Now, today's guest is someone that I've been looking forward to for such a long time. So I'm | 现在,今天的客人是我期待已久的一个人. ┮и琌 |
| 12 | so happy. I'm so excited that he's finally here. His name is Yuval Harari. You've probably seen it | 真开心 我很高兴他终于来了 他叫尤瓦尔·哈拉里. 你可能已经看过了 |
| 13 | in every bookstore in the world. If you travel at all or if you ever walk into a shop, | 在世界上每一个书店。 如果你走出去 或者走进商店 |
| 14 | you will have seen it. His amazing international bestselling books, Sapiens, Homo Deus, | 你会看到它。 他惊人的国际畅销书,萨皮恩斯,Homo Deus, |
| 15 | and 21 Lessons for the 21st Century. He's also a two-time winner of the Polonsky Prize, | 和21世纪的教训。 他也是波隆斯基奖的两次得主 |
| 16 | which he won in 2009 and 2012 for his originality and creativity. And today we get to dive into his | 他赢得了2009年和2012年 他的独创性和创造力。 今天我们潜入他的体内 |
| 17 | incredible mind and find all of these insights that he shared. Yuval, thank you so much for | 找到他分享的这些见解 尤瓦尔,谢谢你 |
| 18 | being here today. It's great to be here. I'm grateful that you're allowing the opportunity. | 今天在这里 赞曰. 我很感激你能给我机会 |
| 19 | I'm so excited. I genuinely was so looking forward to this discussion because | 我太兴奋了 我真的很期待这次讨论 因为... |
| 20 | it's not only about the success of your books, what you've been speaking about in your books | 不仅是你的书的成功, 你在书里讲的 |
| 21 | have dipped into so many different parts of mainstream culture. And I love that how a thinker | 进入了主流文化的许多不同部分。 我喜欢这样的想法家 |
| 22 | like you has been able to do that in today's incredible world. So congratulations for everything | 就像你在今天不可思议的世界里 做到了那样 恭喜你做的一切,谢谢 |
| 23 | that you've done. And I'm hoping this is the start of a new relationship for us as well. | 你已经做了。 我希望这也是我们新的关系的开始。 |
| 24 | Yeah. But I'm going to get straight into it. Okay. And I want to start off talking a bit | 对 但我会直接进入它。 摆 我想说几句 |
| 25 | about happiness because happiness is a big theme for my audience. It's something that my audience | 关于幸福,因为幸福是观众的一大主题。 那是我的观众 |
| 26 | cares a lot about. And I picked out something that I wanted to read that you say in your book, | 关心的很多。 我挑出一些东西 我想读 你在你的书中说, |
| 27 | and you say one of the chapters in your 21 Lessons for 21st Century is happiness equals reality | 你说你21世纪的教训中有一章 是幸福等于现实 |
| 28 | minus expectations. Right? Happiness equals reality minus expectations. And I want to dive | 减预期. 对吧? 幸福等于现实减去期望. 我想潜水 |
| 29 | into that because I want to ask you how should we set expectations? We all have expectations. I have | 因为我想问你 我们该如何设定期望? 我们都抱有期望。 我见过 |
| 30 | expectations doing this podcast. I have expectations when I'm thinking about when you think about | 期待做这个播客。 当我想到你的时候,我有期望 |
| 31 | anyone investing in their job. They have expectations when someone starts a relationship. They have | 任何投资他们的工作。 当有人开始交往时 他们有期望 他们有 |
| 32 | expectations. What is your take on how we should form set and create our expectations for happiness? | 期望。 你对我们应该如何建立 和创造我们对幸福的期望有什么看法? |
| 33 | Oh, that's a big one to start with. Yeah, definitely. I think that we need to | 哦,这是一个很大的一个开始。 当然 我想我们需要 |
| 34 | relax control a bit. I mean, not to say to ourselves, these should be my expectations. | 放松点控制 我的意思是,不要对自己说, 这些应该是我的期望。 |
| 35 | The first step is actually to familiarize yourself with what you already expect and with the internal | 第一步其实是熟悉你已经期望的东西 和内部 |
| 36 | processes that have generated these expectations. Because usually we know almost most of us know | 产生这些期望的进程。 因为通常我们知道 我们几乎知道 |
| 37 | extremely little about really what's going on inside us and about what forms our opinions, | 关于我们内心究竟发生了什么 以及我们的看法是什么 |
| 38 | our desires, our expectations. There is a general tendency to identify with whatever pops up in your | 我们的愿望,我们的期望。 一种普遍的倾向是 认同你的任何东西 |
| 39 | mind. And we are encouraged a lot by our culture and by the key ideologies of the age, whether it's | 头脑。 我们的文化 以及时代的主要意识形态 都鼓励我们 |
| 40 | liberal democracy, whether it's capitalism, consumerism, to just identify with our inner | 自由民主,不管它是资本主义,消费主义, 只是认同我们的内心 |
| 41 | voice, with all these slogans that just do what feels good, just connect to your heart and all | 声音,用所有这些口号 做那些感觉好, 只是连接到你的心脏和所有 |
| 42 | these things. And people mistake it to mean just identify, just look inside you and the first | 这些东西。 人们将它误以为只是识别, 只是看看你和第一个 |
| 43 | things that comes up, identify with that. And my advice would be to really take the time to explore | 出现的东西, 认同这一点。 我的建议是 真正需要时间探索 |
| 44 | what is happening inside you and where do all these things really come from? So much of our | 你内心正在发生什么 而这些事情究竟从哪里来的? 这么多的我们 |
| 45 | expectations and our desires, they don't reflect any inner true self. They reflect | 期望和我们的欲望, 他们不反映任何内心真实的自我。 他们反映 |
| 46 | a million manipulations done on us either by external forces or even by internal forces | 外部势力甚至内部势力对我们进行的一百万次操纵 |
| 47 | that we know so little about. So before we reach the point when we write ourselves the list of | 我们对此所知甚少。 因此,在我们到达我们自己写下 |
| 48 | items, this is my agenda for life, this is my expectation from life, take time, a long time | 这是我一生的议程 这是我对生命的期望 需要时间 需要很长时间 |
| 49 | to first of all familiarize yourself with what is actually happening inside. | 首先,你应该熟悉 里面究竟发生了什么 |
| 50 | Yeah, absolutely. I think you're spot on. I completely agree with you. I | 当然 我觉得你在现场。 我完全同意你的观点。 一、导 言 |
| 51 | was sharing with you earlier that I was training to become an investment banker and work in business | 之前我和你分享了 我在训练成为投资银行家 并从事商业 |
| 52 | growing up. And then I got to a point where I looked at that and I was like, is that even me? | 长大了 然后我到了一个点 我看着它,我就像, 即使是我? |
| 53 | Like, why do I even want to do that? And I realized because in the part of society that I grew up in, | 我为什么要这么做? 我意识到,因为我成长于社会的一部分 |
| 54 | that was the most glorified role. So the people that I was surrounded by had made that seem as | 这是最荣耀的角色。 因此我身边的人 使这似乎 |
| 55 | the peak role or job that someone in our society could attain. And so actually it wasn't my goal | 我们社会中的某个人能够达到的最高任务或工作。 所以实际上这不是我的目标 |
| 56 | or dream. It was just the dreams and goals of people around me. Is that what you're referring | 或梦想。 这只是我周围人的梦想和目标。 这就是你说的 |
| 57 | to about how there are a million ways in which we're forming our dreams and goals? | 我们的梦想和目标是如何成形的? |
| 58 | Yeah, that's part of it. That's a very old story. Throughout human history, you're always influenced | 是啊,这是它的一部分。 这是一个非常古老的故事。 在人类历史上,你总是受到影响 |
| 59 | by your friends, your family, the culture around and much of what people took to be their innermost | 被你的朋友,你的家人, 周围的文化, 以及人们认为最内在的东西 |
| 60 | desires and expectations. It actually came from outside. Today it's even more extreme | 欲望和期望。 其实是从外面来的 今天更极端了 |
| 61 | because we are increasingly acquiring technologies that enable external agents, | 因为我们越来越多地获得技术 使外部代理, |
| 62 | whether corporations or government or whatnot, to really hack the human mind and hack the human | 无论是公司还是政府 还是其他什么 真正黑进人类的心灵 黑进人类 |
| 63 | brain and manipulate us in ways which were never possible before, which makes it even more urgent | 大脑和操纵我们的方式 从来没有可能, 这使得它更加迫切 |
| 64 | than ever to really get to know yourself. The advice, know yourself, it's the oldest advice | 从来没有真正了解自己。 忠告,你知道,这是最古老的建议 |
| 65 | in the book. You go back thousands of years, you meet Socrates or Buddha or Confucius. This is what | 在书中。 复往数千年,遇苏格拉底或佛或孔子. 就是这样 |
| 66 | it'll tell you. Get to know yourself. It's the most important thing in life. But there is something | 它会告诉你。 获得自知. 人生最要紧. 但有些东西 |
| 67 | new today. What's new today is that for the first time in history, you have real competition. | 今天是新来的 今天的新情况是,你历史上第一次有真正的竞争。 |
| 68 | If in the time of Buddha, you didn't make the effort to know yourself, | 如果在佛陀时代,你没有努力去了解自己, |
| 69 | nah, I'm too busy. So you missed enlightenment. But you didn't face any competition out there | 不,我太忙了。 。 。 你错过了启蒙 但你没有面对任何竞争 |
| 70 | because the kings and the aristocracy and the merchants in the time of Buddha, they couldn't | 因为佛陀时代的国王 贵族和商人 |
| 71 | get in your head. But today you have real competition. You may not have the time to get | 进入你的脑海里。 但今天你们有真正的竞争对手 你可能没有时间得到 |
| 72 | to know yourself because you're too busy. I'm too busy with the family, with the work, | 来了解你自己 因为你太忙了 我忙于家庭 工作 |
| 73 | with whatever. But there are people who have the time and the money to get to know you. That's | 随你怎么说 但有人有时间和金钱来了解你 这是 |
| 74 | their business, to really get to know you. Their entire business model is based on that, | 他们的生意, 真正得到了解你。 他们的整个业务模式就是以此为基础, |
| 75 | or their entire political model is based on that. And so you now really have competition | 或他们的整个政治模式就是以此为基础的。 所以你现在真的有竞争 |
| 76 | from these corporations and governments. And it's a very simple equation or a very simple | 从这些公司和政府。 这是一个非常简单的方程式或者非常简单的 |
| 77 | idea. If they get to know you a little better than you know yourself, game over, | 点子 如果他们比你更了解你 游戏结束 |
| 78 | they can manipulate and control you. And you will not even realize it because the easiest | 他们可以操纵和控制你。 你甚至不会意识到这一点 因为最容易 |
| 79 | people to manipulate are the people who believe in free will, the people who believe that their | 那些相信自由意志的人 那些相信自己意志的人 |
| 80 | thoughts and desires and expectations, they reflect some authentic inner self. And they | 思考和欲望和期望, 它们反映了一些真实的内心自我。 他们 |
| 81 | don't question is this really the case? Right, right, right. So how much does that person have | 不要怀疑这是真的吗? 对,对,对 这个人有多少钱? |
| 82 | free will? How much do you think a person does have free will? I would say as a first | 自由意志吗? 你认为一个人有多少自由意志? 我会说,作为一个第一次 |
| 83 | approximation, extremely little. I mean, I don't want to delve too deeply into the argument about | 近似,极细. 我的意思是,我不想 深入探讨关于 |
| 84 | the theoretical possibility of free will. If you want, we can go there. I want to go wherever you | 自由意志的理论可能性。 如果你愿意,我们可以去那里。 我想随你而去 |
| 85 | want. But as a first approximation, I would say that even if you believe that free will | 想要吗? 但作为第一近似,我会说,即使你相信自由意志 |
| 86 | is possible theoretically in some situations, you should at least acknowledge that 99% | 理论上在某些情况下是可能的,你至少应该承认99% |
| 87 | of decisions don't reflect your free will. They reflect something else. So I don't mind even | 决策不能反映你的自由意志 它们反射出别的东西。 所以我不介意这样 |
| 88 | conceding the philosophical point. Let's say that there is free will, but free will is not something | 承认哲学观点. 假设有自由意志,但自由意志并不是什么 |
| 89 | you have. Free will is something you need to struggle for. And the wrong idea about free will | 你曾经是 自由意志是需要你为之奋斗的 和关于自由意志的错误想法 |
| 90 | is that I have free will. Any thought that pops in my mind, any desire that I have, this is my | 我拥有自由意志 我脑海中的任何想法,任何我的愿望,这是我的 |
| 91 | free will. So it is sacred and it represents something sublime. And this is nonsense. | 自由意志。 所以这是神圣的,它代表着一些崇高的东西。 这是胡说八道。 |
| 92 | This is not the case. Maybe if you work really, really hard, you would reach a point | 事实并非如此。 也许如果你真的,真的努力, 你会达到一个点 |
| 93 | when at least some of the decisions in your life will reflect freedom. But it's not something you | 当你生命中至少有一些决定会反映自由的时候 但这不是你的东西 |
| 94 | can just take for granted. Now, there are a lot of forces in the world which encourage us to have | 可以认为是理所当然的。 现在,世界上有很多力量鼓励我们拥有 |
| 95 | this simplistic idea that anything that pops in the mind is the reflection of my free will. | 这种简单的想法,任何在思想中出现的东西,都是我自由意志的反映. |
| 96 | It comes most notably in the economic sphere from the whole consumerist and capitalist system, | 从整个消费主义和资本主义体系中 最突出的是经济领域 |
| 97 | which it's built on the premise that the customer is always right. | 它建立在客户总是对的前提上。 |
| 98 | When you talk to the big corporations or to some business magnets and you ask them about | 当你和大公司或一些商业磁铁交谈时 你问他们 |
| 99 | their practices and about problematic things they do, their final line of defense is always | 他们的做法和 问题的事情,他们做的, 他们的最后防线总是 |
| 100 | the customer is always right. Yes, we are doing these things, but the customers are buying it. | 顾客总是对的 是的,我们正在做这些事情, 但顾客正在购买它。 |
| 101 | And the customers are the number one authority. This is their free will. If the customers want it, | 顾客是头号权威 这是他们的自由意志。 如果顾客想要的话 |
| 102 | who are we or who is you to tell the customers that they are wrong? Are you some big brother | 你们到底是谁 告诉顾客他们错了? 你是大哥吗? |
| 103 | that knows better than them? So this is like the final line of defense. The customer is always | 那比他们更清楚? 这就像最后的防线。 顾客总是 |
| 104 | right. And this is based in a way on the idea of free will, that the will of the customer represents | 对 这是基于 自由意志的想法 客户的意愿代表 |
| 105 | this sublime force that manifests itself through your desires. Like I want this brand of conflicts. | 这支从你欲望中表现出来的强大力量 就像我想要这种冲突 |
| 106 | Amazing. That's human free will in action. And it's the mystery of the universe manifests itself. | 厉害 这是人类的自由意志行动。 而这是宇宙的奥秘 表现自己。 |
| 107 | Like in that moment in the supermarket that I stand and I see these two brands and how to choose, | 就像我站在超市的那一刻 我看到这两个品牌 以及如何选择 |
| 108 | I choose this brand, the mystery of the universe. It isn't the mystery of the universe. We know today | 我选择了这个品牌 宇宙的奥秘 这不是宇宙的奥秘 我们今天知道 |
| 109 | a lot about what's really happening in your brain, in your mind when you make this choice. | 当你做出这个选择时,你脑中,脑中 到底发生了什么。 |
| 110 | And it's increasingly becoming easier and easier to manipulate these choices. And again, | 而操纵这些选择变得越来越容易和容易。 再说一遍 |
| 111 | the easiest people to manipulate are those who think that when they choose this brand in the | 最容易操纵的人是那些认为当他们选择这个品牌时 |
| 112 | supermarket, they are exercising their free will. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's interesting you | 超市,他们正在行使他们的自由意志。 当然 当然 这很有趣你 |
| 113 | say that before I go into the question I'm taking off a tangent was how some of the biggest creators | 说在我问到问题之前 我要取消一个切入点 就是一些最大的创造者 |
| 114 | and inventors in the world have not thought customer first. So when you think of people | 和世界上的发明家 并没有首先考虑客户。 所以当你想到人 |
| 115 | like Steve Jobs or even Henry Ford, I think it was Henry Ford who said that if I asked people | 像史蒂夫・乔布斯,甚至亨利・福特, 我认为是亨利・福特说 如果我问人们 |
| 116 | what they wanted, they would have said faster horses. Right. And so he said, I didn't ask people | 他们想要的,他们会说更快的马。 对 所以他说 我没有问别人 |
| 117 | what they wanted. And Steve Jobs would often say that too as well, that you are creating because | 他们想要的 史蒂夫·乔布斯也会经常说 你创造的也是因为 |
| 118 | the audience doesn't actually know what they want. But so some of the most powerful inventors have | 观众实际上不知道他们想要什么。 但一些最强大的发明家 |
| 119 | actually gone the opposite way. But in regards to that point that you're making there at the end, | 其实是相反的 但是,关于这一点 你在那里最后, |
| 120 | then what does one do? And I agree with you saying that the person who becomes the most fooled or | 然后一个人做什么? 我同意你的说法 那个最被愚弄的人 |
| 121 | deluded is the one who believes that they have the most choice and free will. So what do we do? What | 被欺骗的人相信 他们有最大的选择和自由意志。 那怎么办? 什麽? |
| 122 | does an individual do in that scenario in this crazy information filled world where I was saying | 在这个疯狂信息充斥的世界里 一个人在那种情景下做吗? |
| 123 | that the other day that, you know, before we were targeted by billboards, which was only if you drove | 有一天,你知道, 在我们成为广告牌的目标之前, |
| 124 | and then it was the television, which again, you had to own one and you only spent a few hours a | 然后是电视, 再一次,你不得不拥有一个, 你只花了几个小时一个 |
| 125 | day and then it was the internet, which you still needed a computer and a dial-up connection. And | 你还需要一台电脑和拨号连接 还有 |
| 126 | now it's all the time. Right. So what does one do when they're being bombarded with all of that | 现在都是这样 对 所以当他们被轰炸时,他们该怎么办? |
| 127 | information? Take time off is like the best advice I can give, you know, that the first take time | 情报? 休息是最好的建议,你知道, 第一个需要时间 |
| 128 | off. It's extremely important during the day, during the month, during the year. I don't believe | 关闭。 在白天,月份,一年中都极为重要. иぃ獺 |
| 129 | in, I mean, I don't think we can or should completely disconnect. I mean, we are now having | 在,我的意思是,我不认为 我们可以或应该完全断开。 我的意思是,我们现在有 |
| 130 | this conversation where you hope that millions of people will see it. I have nothing against, | 你希望数百万人看到这个对话 我没有什么反对, |
| 131 | you know, social media on the internet. They have done wonderful things for humankind. I don't know, | 互联网上的社交媒体 他们为人类做了很多好事。 我不知道,你觉得呢? |
| 132 | I met my husband online in a dating site. That's awesome. Yeah. So I've some of my best friends | 我在约会网站认识我丈夫 这是真棒。 对 所以我有一些最好的朋友 |
| 133 | are applications. So I have nothing like inherently against them, but not all the time. | 是应用程序。 所以,我没有什么像 本质上反对他们, 但不是所有的时间。 |
| 134 | The first thing is just take time off. Then you ask yourself, what do I do in this time off? So | 第一件事就是请假 那你问自己,我这会儿该做什么? 这么说 |
| 135 | I would say different things probably work best for different people. Like I meditate, | 我会说不同的事情 也许对不同的人最好。 就像我冥想一样 |
| 136 | I do Vipassana meditation. Other people, they do different kinds of meditations. Some people find | 我做维帕萨纳冥想。 其他人,他们做 不同种类的冥想。 有些人发现 |
| 137 | that out is a much more effective way for them to explore the inner reality. For some people, | 这是他们探索内在现实的更有效方法。 对有些人来说, |
| 138 | it could be sports or going hiking in nature, many things. But I would say two things in general | 它可能是运动或 去徒步自然,很多事情。 但我总的说两件事 |
| 139 | about all these things. Whatever works for you, do it quickly because you don't have much time. | 这些东西。 不管对你有什么好处 都快点做 因为你没有太多时间 |
| 140 | I mean, there is this race going on. As we now talk, there are these corporations and governments | 我的意思是,有这场比赛正在进行。 我们现在讨论的是,这些公司和政府 |
| 141 | that are busy trying to hack you and you need to stay a few steps ahead of them. So that's one thing, | 他们正忙着黑客入侵你 而你需要站在他们前面几步 所以,这是一件事, |
| 142 | which was never the case before or was less the case before. And the other thing is it won't be | 这以前从未发生过,以前也没有发生过。 另一件事是,它不会 |
| 143 | so much fun. Some people have this idea that a journey of inner exploration is a fun journey. | 这么多的乐趣。 有些人有这种想法,即内在探索的旅程是一个有趣的旅程. |
| 144 | Oh, I'll discover all these amazing things about myself and what a good person I am. | 哦,我会发现所有这些惊人的事情 关于我自己, 和多么好的人我。 |
| 145 | And I will have these wonderful experiences of bliss and peacefulness and oneness with the | 我会有这些美妙的体验 幸福、和平和与 |
| 146 | universe. And sometimes it happens. I don't say it never happens. But a lot of that is | 宇宙 宇宙 宇宙 宇宙 宇宙 宇宙 宇宙 有时也会发生 我不说它永远不会发生。 但很多时候 |
| 147 | painful experiences. It's boring experiences like you have to go through a desert of boredom. | 痛苦的经历。 无聊的经历就像你必须经历无聊的沙漠一样. |
| 148 | And one of the, I think, biggest obstacles for people today in the world of the 21st century, | 我认为是21世纪人们面临的最大障碍之一 |
| 149 | I don't know how it was 2,000 years ago, but today I would say that the inability to deal | 我不知道是两千年前的事 但是今天我会说 无法处理 |
| 150 | with boredom is one of our greatest weaknesses. And in almost any meaningful journey, you have | 无聊是我们最大的弱点之一 在几乎所有有意义的旅程中,你有 |
| 151 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}不管你是去别的国家 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你必须花点时间 | |
| 152 | in the airport or whether it's you're having a conversation with somebody. I find from my | 在机场 或者你是不是在和某人谈话 我从我的 |
| 153 | experience that if you're in a conversation that doesn't allow space for boredom, it will never | 体验到如果你在对话中 不允许无聊的空间,它永远不会 |
| 154 | reach anywhere. Interesting. I now travel around the world and I meet these very | 到达任何地方。 有意思,这很有趣 我现在环游世界 遇到这些 |
| 155 | powerful and famous and influential people. And the problem with powerful and famous and | 强大而有名和有影响力的人。 和问题 强大的和著名的, |
| 156 | influential people, they don't have time. So if you get an hour with this person, | 有影响力的人, 他们没有时间。 所以,如果你得到一个小时 与这个人, |
| 157 | then every minute should count. And boredom is the scariest thing because if the conversation | 然后每分钟都要数 无聊是最可怕的事 因为如果谈话 |
| 158 | becomes boring, it's over. I don't have time for this nonsense. I have to run this company. I have | 变得无聊,它结束了。 我没有时间 废话。 我必须经营这家公司 我见过 |
| 159 | to run this country. Boredom, you go bore somebody else with that. And then what you find is that | 管理这个国家。 无聊的,你去让别人厌烦。 然后你发现 |
| 160 | you are forced all the time to all the time think what's the most interesting and important thing | 你总是被逼着想着什么才是最有趣和最重要的 |
| 161 | I can say. And then you usually reach out for the things you've already said a million times before | 我能说 然后,你通常伸手 事情你已经说过一百万次 |
| 162 | and you know they're effective. And both of you find yourself just exchanging these slogans | 你知道它们很有效 你们都发现自己只是交换这些口号 |
| 163 | and you never reach anywhere new. And to reach someplace new in a conversation, like you need | 你永远找不到新的地方 在谈话中找到新的地方 就像你需要的 |
| 164 | to go somewhere and nobody really knows what they're talking about and you're wandering around | 去某个地方 没人知道他们在说什么 而你却到处乱逛 |
| 165 | and you realize, oh, it's not going anywhere. And you come back and you wasted 20 minutes on | 你知道,哦,它不会去任何地方。 你回来 浪费了20分钟 |
| 166 | something, which was in the end, it was nothing. And you can't do it when you meet the president | 某事,这是最后的, 它没什么。 见到总统你就不能这么做 |
| 167 | or whatever. But the most interesting conversations I had in life, it was like this long conversation | 还是什么的。 但我一生中最有趣的对话, 就像这种漫长的对话 |
| 168 | when much of it was quite boring. And it's the same when you go to explore yourself, | 那时很多事情很无聊 当你去探索自己的时候 也是一样的 |
| 169 | like, I don't know, not necessarily in meditation even. You want to use sport. | 比如,我不知道, 不一定在冥想甚至。 你想用运动。 |
| 170 | So, okay, you say, I'll go on a hike. And you start going and after three hours, you feel | 好吧,你说,我去远足。 你开始走 三个小时后 你感觉 |
| 171 | thirsty and it's hot and it's inconvenient and there is nothing to see. And you say, oh, forget | 口渴而热,不便而无所见. 你说,哦,忘了 |
| 172 | that. I'll go back and watch some movies. And you'll never reach the interesting parts | 那个 我回去看电影 你永远不会到达有趣的部分 |
| 173 | of the journey, either the geographical journey or the kind of inner journey of exploration, | 无论是地理旅行还是内在探索之旅 |
| 174 | if you don't allow yourself, if you don't have the discipline to go through these boring and | 如果你不允许自己, 如果你没有纪律 经历这些无聊和 |
| 175 | sometimes painful and sometimes scary bits. I love that. I'm so glad you brought that up. I | 有时很痛苦 有时很可怕 我喜欢 我很高兴你提起这个 一、导 言 |
| 176 | think it's such a brilliant point. I think you're so right because as soon as you put the pressure | 认为这是一个如此辉煌的点。 我想你是对的 因为只要你施压 |
| 177 | of performance on, whether that's the pressure of performance through time, like when we know we | 表现,无论这是 表现的压力 时间,就像当我们知道我们 |
| 178 | have a time limit, like you were saying, when you're meeting influential people and you've | 有时间限制,就像你说的, 当你遇到有影响力的人,你已经 |
| 179 | got like 30 minutes to say something profound, or you've got like 40 minutes to prove that you have | 大约30分钟 说一些深刻的东西, 或者你有大约40分钟 证明你有 |
| 180 | more knowledge or wisdom or whatever it is. And so sometimes time's a pressure. Sometimes the pressure | 更多的知识 或智慧 或它是什么。 所以有时时间是压力 有时压力 |
| 181 | is not time, but the pressure is the people at the table. It's like, you know that everyone's | 不是时间,但压力是人们在桌子上。 这就像,你知道,每个人都 |
| 182 | powerful at the table. And so the pressure is, oh my God, I know he's smart and she's smart. So | 强在桌子上。 所以压力是,哦,我的上帝, 我知道他很聪明,她很聪明。 这么说 |
| 183 | what do I have to say? And I think you're spot on that in those times, our lateral brain completely | 我该说什么? 我觉得你在那些时候 完全发现我们的大脑 |
| 184 | switches off, the logical brain switches on, and we just say stuff we already know. And you don't | 开关,逻辑大脑开关, 我们只是说我们已经知道的事情。 你没有 |
| 185 | have moments of brilliance and you don't have a moment that sparks unique thought. You don't get | 有辉煌的时刻 而你没有时刻 点燃独特的思想。 你没有得到 |
| 186 | into flow state, for example, you can't generate anything new. I think that's so true. And I have | 例如,进入流动状态时,不能产生任何新的东西。 我想这是真的。 而我已经 |
| 187 | to say in my training as a monk, which I loved and was an incredible part of my life, a lot of it | 在我的训练中说,作为一个僧侣, 我热爱并且是一个不可思议的部分 我的生活,很多 |
| 188 | was just discipline and doing the same thing over and over and over again in the beginning and what | 只是纪律和做 同样的事情 一遍又一遍地在开始和什么 |
| 189 | you said, walking across that desert of boredom to then find a breakthrough. And it's almost just | 你说,走过无聊的沙漠 然后找到突破。 这几乎只是 |
| 190 | like that painful 99% to experience that 1% of bliss. Yeah, like in the movie, it always gets | 就像99%的痛苦 体验1%的幸福。 是啊,就像在电影里, 它总是得到 |
| 191 | condensed into this fast track one minute or two minutes. Like, I don't know, you have | 凝聚在这条快速赛道上一两分钟. 喜欢,我不知道,你有 |
| 192 | Yoda training Luke Skywalker. So in the movie, it just got condensed into these two minutes. | 尤达训练卢克·天行者. 所以在电影里,它被压缩成这两分钟。 |
| 193 | You get the point. Let's move on. Nothing. And it was probably very, I don't know, it's fiction, | 你明白这一点。 让我们继续前进。 没什么 这可能是非常, 我不知道,这是虚构的, |
| 194 | of course, was probably a lot of it was just, you know, this tedious thing that you have to | 当然,可能是很多 只是,你知道, 这个无聊的事情,你不得不 |
| 195 | go through through it. Absolutely. Are you bored right now? Right now? No. No. All right. We're | 穿过它。 当然 你现在无聊了吗? 现在? 不,不,没关系。 我们是 |
| 196 | going to get bored for a bit, guys. We've got to get bored for a bit so that you will, you know, | 有点无聊了,伙计们 我们得有点无聊 这样你就会... |
| 197 | get some space. No, I think that's a great point. I think becoming okay with boredom | 得到一些空间。 不,我觉得这是个好主意。 我觉得无聊会好起来 |
| 198 | is such a useful skill. And I think you're spot on that in the journey of self-exploration | 这是一种有用的技能。 我觉得你在自我探索的旅程中 表现得很出色 |
| 199 | or any journey. I just came now from Silicon Valley and what we just said is the greatest | 或任何旅程。 我刚刚从硅谷来 我们刚才说的是最棒的 |
| 200 | heresy possible in California in 2019, in LA in 2019, in San Francisco in 2019 to say, | 2019年加利福尼亚州可能发生异端,2019年洛杉矶,2019年旧金山说, |
| 201 | let's just give some space to boredom. There is nothing more radical and subversive than I just | 让我们只是给一些空间 无聊。 没有比这更激进和颠覆性的了 |
| 202 | saw that Reed Hastings some time ago said that Netflix's biggest enemy, like he was asked who | 看到里德·黑斯廷斯之前说过 Netflix最大的敌人 就像有人问他是谁 |
| 203 | is the biggest competitor of Netflix. And the answer was sleep. So true. It's not Hulu. It's | 是Netflix最大的竞争对手. 答案是睡觉。 没错 不是胡鲁. 这是 |
| 204 | not any of the other. It's sleep. That's our biggest competitor. So, you know, boredom, | 没有其他的。 这是睡眠。 这是我们最大的竞争对手 所以,你知道,无聊, |
| 205 | if people could get along with boredom, you know, entire industries will crash. | 如果人们能与无聊相处, 你知道,整个行业会崩溃。 |
| 206 | Will just collapse. Yeah, no, it's so true. And the instant gratification industry, the | 只会崩溃 是啊,不,这是真的。 和即时满足产业, |
| 207 | instant excitement industry is thriving off that. We know that. That's obvious. There's a | 即时刺激产业从中兴起. 我们知道这一点。 这很明显。 有一个 |
| 208 | Let's start here. The boring movement. | 从这里开始吧 无聊的运动。 |
| 209 | Yeah, let's start the boring movement here. I love it. This is the boring podcast. We're | 是啊,让我们开始 无聊的运动在这里。 我喜欢它。 这是无聊的播客。 我们是 |
| 210 | going to call it that. I love it. No, and it's true. I read a study that 80% of us | 将它叫它。 我喜欢它。 不,这是真的。 我读过一份研究 我们80%的人 |
| 211 | pull out our phone in a crowd just to not feel lonely, right? Like not even to do anything. | 在人群中拉出我们的电话 只是不觉得孤独,对不对? 就像什么都不做一样 |
| 212 | Just when we're walking through a crowd, we pull out our phone just so that we feel like | 当我们走过人群, 我们拉出我们的手机 只是让我们感觉像 |
| 213 | we're doing something and that pressure of always wanting to do something just so high. | 我们正在做一些事情 和压力 总是想做一些事情 只是如此高。 |
| 214 | No, I love that. I think that's such great advice. Find time this weekend to be bored, | 不,我喜欢这样 我觉得这是伟大的建议。 找时间这个周末无聊, |
| 215 | right? Be okay with boredom. Do you have it? Have you? And I don't expect you to have an | 对吧? 别无聊了 你有吗? 是吗? 我不期望你有一个 |
| 216 | answer. I'm just exploring it because I love the point you brought up. Do you have any ways of | 答问. 我只是在探索它,因为我喜欢你提出的重点。 你有办法 |
| 217 | becoming more okay with boredom or letting there be moments in a conversation? I'm sure when you | 更适合无聊还是让谈话有时间? 我敢肯定,当你 |
| 218 | went out on your first date with your husband, when you met through online dating, was there | 第一次和你丈夫约会时 你在网上约会时 在场 |
| 219 | any boredom there or were you having to say stuff? Did you allow space for boredom? Because there's | 那儿有什么无聊的,或者你不得不说些什么? 你允许空闲的无聊? 因为有 |
| 220 | so much pressure when you date someone, right? I don't remember that it was boring, | 你约会时压力很大,对吧? 我不记得那很无聊 |
| 221 | but yeah, there is definitely a lot of pressure in those situations. To be charismatic, to be | 但是,是的,肯定有很多压力 在那些情况下。 充满魅力 |
| 222 | attractive. Not to bore the other person. It's the worst thing you can do. It was so boring. | 很有魅力,你觉得呢? 不要让别人厌烦 最难得法. 太无聊了 |
| 223 | It's difficult. I don't want to give a single recipe. I do it with my meditation practice. | 难曰. 我不想给一个食谱。 我用我的冥想练习来做 |
| 224 | Boredom is an abstract idea. What does it actually mean? What it actually means is our particular | 无聊是一个抽象的想法。 这到底是什么意思? 这实际上意味着我们 |
| 225 | sensations in the body. It's not an abstract. When you actually observe, you see that they are | 体内的感觉。 这不是抽象的。 当你真正观察的时候,你会看到他们 |
| 226 | extremely unpleasant. When you're bored, we tend to think about boredom as something like nothing | 非常令人讨厌。 当你无聊的时候,我们往往会把无聊当成什么 |
| 227 | happens, but actually a lot of things are happening. It's not like severe pain. It's actually | 但实际上发生了很多事情 何等为重痛. 其实是 |
| 228 | a more subtle kind of pain throughout your body, which many people find far more intolerable | 你全身都有一种更微妙的疼痛 很多人觉得更无法忍受 |
| 229 | than the heroic severe pain. I'll take an example just for meditation because I'm more familiar | 比英勇的剧痛还要痛 我举个例子来冥想 因为我比较熟悉 |
| 230 | with it, but I know that a lot of people, when they sit for meditation and there is a strong pain, | 但我知道很多人, 当他们坐着冥想时, 有一种强烈的痛苦, |
| 231 | it's quite easy for them to deal with that. They're actually even enjoying it in a way | 对他们来说很容易 他们甚至喜欢这样 |
| 232 | because they feel, I'm doing something very important now. I'm getting over this pain, | 因为他们觉得 我现在在做很重要的事 我摆脱了这种痛苦 |
| 233 | no pain, no gain. Wonderful. Pain is good. Then when boredom comes, it immediately breaks them. | 无苦无益. 真不错 痛苦是不错的。 然后,当无聊到来, 它立即打破他们。 |
| 234 | They can't deal with it because again, it's a very unpleasant feeling in the body. It's not abstract, | 他们不能处理它,因为再次, 这是一个非常不愉快的感觉在身体。 这不是抽象的, |
| 235 | but part of it, you don't feel heroic. You don't feel you're doing something important. | 但其中的一部分,你并不觉得英雄。 你没觉得自己在做重要的事 |
| 236 | You feel that you're wasting your time, that you're so little and insignificant and especially | 你感到你在浪费时间, 你这么小 和微不足道,特别是 |
| 237 | people who say come to whatever practice it is. Again, it could even be art. You're learning to | 那些人说,无论它是什么练习, 再说一次,它甚至可能是艺术。 你在学习 |
| 238 | paint and now I'm Picasso. I'm doing this great work of art and I'm having this autistic crisis. | 油漆,现在我是毕加索。 我在做这项伟大的艺术工作, 我遇到了自闭症危机。 |
| 239 | That's wonderful, but if you're just bored, you don't know how to deal with it. For most people, | 这很好,但是如果你只是无聊,你不知道如何应付. 对于大多数人来说, |
| 240 | I think it's actually more difficult to deal with this subtle pain of boredom than with the | 我觉得面对这种无聊的细腻痛苦 要比对付那些 |
| 241 | heroic pain of some great crisis. Absolutely. I think you're spot on. For me, when I'm bored, | 英雄般的痛苦 一些巨大的危机。 当然 我觉得你在现场。 对我来说,当我无聊的时候, |
| 242 | I use it as space to breathe properly. That's what I do. When I'm just in a gap or I'm in a | 我用它作为呼吸的空间 我就是这样 当我只是在一个缺口或我在一个 |
| 243 | moment where I'm a bit bored right now and it's so easy to do the habit of just picking out my phone | 我现在有点无聊 很容易把手机挑出来 |
| 244 | and I've noticed myself do that over and over again. Whenever I'm bored or there's a gap, | 我注意到自己一遍又一遍地这样做。 每当我无聊或有缺口, |
| 245 | I just take out my phone without any purpose, without any intention, without any goal. | 我只是拿我的手机没有任何目的, 没有意图,没有目标。 |
| 246 | For me, I've stopped doing that and using that as a moment to breathe. | 对我来说,我已经停止这样做 并利用它来呼吸。 |
| 247 | There is actually something when you pick up the phone, what actually happens in your body | 当你接电话的时候,其实有些事情 发生在你的身体里 |
| 248 | is that there is a little excitement. Maybe I get some email, maybe I got some like to my Facebook, | 这是有点兴奋。 也许我得到一些电子邮件, 也许我得到了一些喜欢我的Facebook, |
| 249 | whatever. The moment you pick up the phone, there is a rush, a small rush of excitement | 随便吧 你一接起电话,就冲动,兴奋的冲动 |
| 250 | in the body. Actually, this is what makes it so addictive. People are addicted not actually to | 在体内。 事实上,这就是为什么它如此上瘾。 人不会上瘾的 |
| 251 | the phone. People are addicted to the small rushes of excitement that they can get dozens of times | 电话。 人们沉迷于兴奋的冲动 他们可以得到几十次 |
| 252 | a day every time they pick up the phone to see what's there. Those pleasure centers keep | 每一天他们拿起电话 看看那里有什么 这些游乐中心保持 |
| 253 | decreasing. We have to do it again and again and again. We have to accelerate to keep up | 减少。 我们必须反复地这样做。 我们必须加快进度 |
| 254 | because that pleasure center is depleting every time. I think that's what we don't realize is that | 因为快乐中心每一次都在耗尽 我想我们不知道的是 |
| 255 | the more you do it, the harder it becomes to experience that feeling again because you've | 你做的越多 就越难再次体验那种感觉 因为你已经 |
| 256 | just dropped it lower and lower and lower. Amazing. Okay, we started the boredom movement | 刚刚放下它 越来越低,越来越低。 厉害 好了,我们开始了无聊运动 |
| 257 | today on this day, 26th April 2019, Yuval and Jay, the boredom movement, the boredom podcast. | 今天,即2019年4月26日,尤瓦尔和杰伊,无聊运动,无聊播客. |
| 258 | Okay, the second thing I really wanted to dive into apart from happiness with you, | 好吧,第二件事我真的想潜入 除了幸福与你, |
| 259 | which leads nicely to this because I think this boredom experience also | 这很能说明问题 因为我觉得这种无聊的经历 |
| 260 | slightly links to what I wanted to go to, which is education. You speak a lot about education. | 和我想去的地方有一点联系 就是教育 你说了很多关于教育。 |
| 261 | I've made a ton of videos about education and the education system and my challenges to it. | 我拍了很多关于教育和教育系统的视频 以及我面临的挑战 |
| 262 | Just yesterday, I was talking to people about how when we were educated, we were taught to believe | 就在昨天,我和人们谈论 我们教育的时候,我们被教导相信 |
| 263 | we had to be good at everything. We were taught that you had to get an average grade at this and | 我们一定要做到一切 我们被教导,你必须得到一个平均的分数 在这个和 |
| 264 | an average grade at that and an average grade at that, and you had to be equally good at history | 平均的成绩 平均的成绩 你必须同样擅长历史 |
| 265 | and science and math and English. A lot of the videos that I've made on these topics have been | 科学、数学和英语 我拍摄的很多关于这些主题的视频 |
| 266 | shared a lot. One of the videos I made on this topic has 367 million views on one video. It's | 分享了很多东西。 我制作的关于这个话题的视频之一,在一则视频上有3.67亿次观看. 这是 |
| 267 | been shared like eight million times or something crazy like that. It's because we feel this | 被分享了八百万次 或类似疯狂的东西。 因为我们觉得 |
| 268 | pressure through our education. Now, I believe that the ideal education system should have | 我们的教育压力很大 我认为理想的教育制度应该 |
| 269 | a head, a heart, and a hand. A head for critical thinking, a heart to understand, | 一头一心一手. 一个批判性思维的头脑 一个理解的心脏 |
| 270 | to experience, and then a hand to give, to serve, to make a difference. And you talk in your chapter | 以经验,然后一手给, 服务,使变化。 你在你的章节里说话 |
| 271 | about the four C's of critical thinking, communication, collaboration, and creativity. | 关于批判性思维,沟通,协作,和创造力四个C. |
| 272 | The experts in the field are increasingly talking about these four C's. | 该领域的专家越来越多地谈论这四个C's. |
| 273 | Absolutely. So tell me about your thoughts on the education system and why you got | 当然 告诉我你对教育制度的想法 以及你为什么 |
| 274 | fascinated with that and how you think that's impacted some of our mistakes we make now. | 你对此很着迷 而且你认为这影响了我们现在所犯的一些错误 |
| 275 | My interest with the education system comes, I mean, I am in the education system. I am a professor | 我对教育系统感兴趣,我是说,我是在教育系统。 我是个教授 |
| 276 | at the university, so it's part of my life. But now it's mostly from thinking about the coming | 在大学,所以这是我生活的一部分。 但现在主要是想着未来 |
| 277 | revolutions, especially in the job market, that again, we're in a unique situation in human history | 革命,特别是在就业市场, 我们再次处于人类历史上的独特状况 |
| 278 | when for the first time, we have no idea how the job market would look like in 20 or 30 years. | 我们第一次不知道20到30年后就业市场会是什么样子。 |
| 279 | That was never before the case in history. I mean, there are always things you couldn't predict | 这在历史上从未有过。 我的意思是,总是有些事情 你无法预测 |
| 280 | about the world 30 years from now. Political revolutions, wars, plagues, economic crisis, | 30年后的世界 政治革命 战争 瘟疫 经济危机 |
| 281 | nobody could ever predict that. But at least about the basic skills that humans will need | 没有人能预料到这一点。 但至少关于人类需要的基本技能 |
| 282 | in 30 years in order to get a good job and in order to support themselves and get along in life, | 为了找到一份好工作 为了养活自己和生活相处 |
| 283 | we always had quite a good understanding of that. So if you lived a thousand years ago in the Middle | 我们对此一直有很好的了解。 所以,如果你生活在一千年前 在中世纪 |
| 284 | Ages in some small village, and so people didn't know who would be the king in 30 years, | 在某个小村庄里, 年代久远,所以人们不知道 谁是国王在30年, |
| 285 | people didn't know there might be a plague or an earthquake, who knows, but they knew what they | 人们不知道可能有瘟疫或地震 谁知道,但他们知道自己 |
| 286 | needed to teach their kids. If they were to have a reasonable life in 30 years, you need to know | 需要教他们的孩子。 如果30年后他们要过上合理生活 你就得知道 |
| 287 | how to plant rice and how to take the goat's herding and how to make cheese and how to make | 如何种植大米 如何服用山羊的放牧 如何制作奶酪 如何制作 |
| 288 | bread and how to build a house and all these. And today, we just have no idea what people will, | 面包和如何建造房子和所有这些。 而今天,我们只是不知道 人们会是什么, |
| 289 | what skills people will need in the job market in 2050. Anybody who tells you, | 2050年就业市场需要哪些技能。 谁告诉你, |
| 290 | I know how the job market would look like in 2050 and what skills will be needed is | 我知道2050年就业市场会怎么样 需要什么样的技能 |
| 291 | deluding either you or also themselves. The only thing we know is that it will be a completely | 欺骗你或自己。 我们只知道它会是一个完全 |
| 292 | different job market because of the amazing advances in AI and machine learning and also | 由于人工智能和机器学习的惊人进步以及 |
| 293 | in bioengineering. So more and more jobs will be replaced by machines and computers and robots. | 在生物工程学。 因此,越来越多的工作会被机器,计算机和机器人所取代. |
| 294 | Some jobs will be transformed and new jobs will appear. Now, I don't think we are facing a situation | 一些工作将改变,新的工作将出现。 现在,我不认为 我们面临的情况 |
| 295 | no more jobs in the world. There will be new jobs. The big question is going, I mean, actually two | 世界上没有更多的工作。 会有新的工作。 最大的问题是,实际上有两个 |
| 296 | big questions. One big question is about training and retraining. There will be new jobs. Will people | 大问题。 一个大的问题是培训和再培训。 会有新的工作。 会有人 |
| 297 | have the skills necessary for these kinds of jobs? Previously, when machines replaced humans, | 具备从事这类工作所需的技能? 以前机器取代人类的时候 |
| 298 | for instance, in agriculture, so machines replaced humans in low-skilled jobs in farms, | 例如,在农业领域,机器取代了人类从事农场低技能工作, |
| 299 | but a lot of new low-skilled jobs were created in factories, like the tractor replaced you on the | 但是工厂里创造了许多低技能的新工作 就像拖拉机取代了你 |
| 300 | farm. So you move to Detroit to work in Ford's Corporation to build a tractor. And the new job | 农场。 所以你搬到底特律 在福特公司工作 建造拖拉机。 还有新工作 |
| 301 | was usually a relatively low-skilled job. So within a couple of weeks, perhaps two or three months, | 通常是一个相对低技能的工作。 所以,在几周内,也许两三个月, |
| 302 | you could transform a farm worker into a worker in a tractor factory. But today, | 你可以把农场工人变成拖拉机厂的工人 不过今天 |
| 303 | when you look to the future, so people say, yes, there will not be any more jobs for truck drivers | 当你展望未来 人们会说 是的 卡车司机不会再有工作了 |
| 304 | because you have self-driving trucks. And there will not be a lot of jobs for people producing | 因为你有自驾卡车 生产的人不会有很多工作 |
| 305 | shirts in textile factories and things like that. But there will be new jobs in the creative | 纺织厂的衬衫之类的 但创造力中会有新的工作 |
| 306 | industries, whether in art or whether in science or in interacting with people. But the problem is | 无论是在艺术领域还是在科学领域还是在与人的互动领域。 但问题是 |
| 307 | these new kind of jobs will require high skills. So it won't be so easy to take an unemployed | 这些新的工作需要高技能。 所以找一个失业的人没那么容易 |
| 308 | textile worker at age 40 and transform her into a software engineer that creates virtual reality | 40岁的纺织工人 把她变成软件工程师 创造虚拟现实 |
| 309 | games. And what makes it even worse is the huge gap between different countries. I think that | 游戏。 更糟糕的是不同国家之间的巨大差距。 我觉得 |
| 310 | in a country like the US, which is bound to reap much of the benefits of the coming AI revolution, | 在一个像美国这样的国家,它必然会从即将到来的AI革命中获得很多好处, |
| 311 | because California, along with China, is one of the centers of this revolution, | 因为加州和中国是这场革命的中心之一 |
| 312 | there will be immense new wealth created, at least in some parts of the United States. | 将创造巨大的新财富,至少在美国的一些地区。 |
| 313 | So I don't worry for the Americans. But when I look at other parts of the world, | 所以我不担心美国人。 但当我看着世界的其他地方 |
| 314 | countries which depend almost entirely on cheap manual labor, say just south of the border, | 那些几乎完全依赖廉价体力劳动的国家 比如说边境以南 |
| 315 | you go to Mexico, you go to El Salvador, to Honduras, to South America, what will happen there? | 你去墨西哥 去萨尔瓦多 去洪都拉斯 去南美 那边会怎样? |
| 316 | I mean, we are not educating the young people today in Honduras or in Colombia | 我的意思是,我们今天没有在洪都拉斯和哥伦比亚教育年轻人 |
| 317 | to be software engineers. So even if there are a lot of new jobs in California for software | 成为软件工程师。 即使加州有很多新的软件工作 |
| 318 | engineers, this is not going to help the kids who are growing up today in Honduras or Colombia. | 工程师,这不会帮助今天在洪都拉斯或哥伦比亚长大的孩子。 |
| 319 | So what will they do? And we have no answer. And that's actually my biggest worry about the | 那么他们会怎么做? 我们没有答案。 这其实是我最担心的 |
| 320 | education system now, is from a global perspective, the huge gap that is opening | 从全球的角度来看,教育系统正在缩小的巨大差距 |
| 321 | between different countries in the face of the coming AI revolution. | 面对即将到来的AI革命, |
| 322 | If you were in charge of the education system south of the border, | 如果你负责边境以南的教育系统 |
| 323 | what were the things you'd be thinking about at least? | 你至少会在想什么? |
| 324 | I need money. | 我需要钱。 |
| 325 | Okay. But if you had the money, what would you be thinking about? Money is never an issue, really. | 摆 但如果你有钱 你会怎么想? 钱从来不是问题,真的。 |
| 326 | Oh, north of the border, even north of the border, it's an issue. But south of the border, | 哦,边境北部,甚至边境北部,这是一个问题。 但边境以南, |
| 327 | you go to Brazil, and we are just going to Brazil in a few months. And you have people | 几个月后我们就会去巴西 你还有人 |
| 328 | coming to Brazil with all these ideas about, we should teach kids this, and we should teach | 带着所有这些想法来到巴西, 我们应该教孩子们,我们应该教 |
| 329 | kids that. And the local people come and say, we don't even have schools. I mean, | 孩子们 当地人来说 我们甚至没有学校 我是说... |
| 330 | where do you want us to put the kids? | 你想我们把孩子们放哪? |
| 331 | In that sense, money. | 从这个意义上说,钱。 |
| 332 | In some places, you have the schools run in a shift system. Because you just don't have the | 在有些地方,学校实行轮班制。 因为你只是没有 |
| 333 | facilities. So some kids learn from eight o'clock in the morning to two in the afternoon, | 设施。 所以有些孩子从早上八点到下午两点 |
| 334 | they go home, and other shifts come. And another shifts come at night, because they just don't. | 他们回家,其他班都来了 晚上又换班了,因为没班 |
| 335 | And some things, you can't just throw money at. You need more than that. But | 有些事情 你不能随便扔钱 你需要的不止这些 不过 |
| 336 | the basic infrastructure, basically, the first thing you need is money. | 基本基础设施,基本上, 你最需要的就是钱。 |
| 337 | Mm hmm. | 垛 |
| 338 | Okay. So looking at it from that perspective, my hope is that there are people who | 摆 所以从这个角度看 我希望有人 |
| 339 | believe in those communities and want to invest in them. | 相信这些社区,并想投资于这些社区。 |
| 340 | Yeah, I hope so. And again, the main thing is that we need a global thinking on this. Because | 是啊,我希望是这样。 同样,主要的问题是,我们需要对此有一个全球思考。 因为 |
| 341 | in the last few decades, what we've seen is a reduction in global inequality. | 在过去几十年中,我们看到的是全球不平等的减少。 |
| 342 | Global inequality was extremely high in the early 20th century, when you had a few industrial | 20世纪初,全球不平等程度极高, 当时你有一些工业 |
| 343 | powers colonizing the rest of the world. So say, Britain dominating India and much of Africa and | 统治世界的殖民者 英国统治着印度和非洲大部分地区 |
| 344 | much of the Middle East. And the disparity was enormous. And then in the last few decades, | 中东的很多地方 差距很大。 然后在过去几十年里 |
| 345 | the gap wasn't completely closed. But India and Britain are now far, far closer than they were | 缺口没有完全堵上。 但印度和英国现在比他们更接近 |
| 346 | 50 years ago, or 100 years ago. So we have seen a reduction in global inequality. | 50年前,或者100年前。 因此,我们看到全球不平等现象有所减少。 |
| 347 | But now we are on the verge of a new burst of growing inequality. Just like the industrial | 但是,现在我们正面临日益严重的不平等的新爆发。 就像工业一样 |
| 348 | revolution of the 19th century. This is what created initially the gap between Britain and | 19世纪的革命。 这就是最初造成英国和英国之间 |
| 349 | India. So now you have the AI revolution concentrated in just a few countries. The USA | 印地语。 现在你的AI革命集中在少数几个国家。 美国 |
| 350 | and China are leading the race. You have a few other countries which joined the race. | 和中国领先赛事。 你们还有几个国家参加了比赛。 |
| 351 | Most countries are far behind. And the economic consequences will be enormous. So the danger is | 大多数国家远远落后。 经济后果将是巨大的。 所以危险是 |
| 352 | that what we have seen a century ago will come back. And then it's not just a question, | 一个世纪前我们所看到的一切将再次出现。 然后这不仅仅是一个问题, |
| 353 | let's say, of people in Brazil, rich people in Brazil, caring about poor people in Brazil, | 比如说,巴西人,巴西富人, 关心巴西的穷人, |
| 354 | and investing in their education and health care and so forth. There won't be enough resources in | 并投资于他们的教育和保健等。 没有足够资源 |
| 355 | Brazil, or maybe not Brazil, but some other countries. So we need global thinking on that. | 巴西,也许不是巴西,但其他一些国家。 所以我们需要全球对此的思考。 |
| 356 | Otherwise, it will be a rerun of the industrial revolution with these enormous gaps between a few | 否则,它将是工业革命的重现 与这些巨大的差距 在少数 |
| 357 | countries that dominate the world and most of humanity, which is far, far behind. | 统治世界和大多数人类的国家远远落后。 |
| 358 | Absolutely. No, I agree. And I guess my thinking from where I'm always coming from is just, | 当然 不,我同意这个说法。 我想我的想法 从我总是从哪里来 只是, |
| 359 | to me, the global thinking always needs to be towards how we create more meaningful careers, | 对我来说,全球的思维总是需要 转向如何创造更有意义的职业, |
| 360 | how we create more meaningful jobs, how we create opportunities for people to be better engaged. | 我们如何创造更有意义的工作,如何为人们更好地参与创造机会。 |
| 361 | Because that's what's going to create a happier, more peaceful, more cohesive world. It's almost | 因为这将会创造一个更快乐,更和平,更团结的世界. 差一点 |
| 362 | like otherwise there's a rerun in culture of you slot people in to jobs they don't want to do that | 就像在文化中重播 你把人们安排到 他们不想做的工作 |
| 363 | aren't good for their health mentally or physically. That then leads to another repercussion of that | 对他们身体和精神都不好 那又会引发另一场反响 |
| 364 | person being dissatisfied and then that reruns. Do you think having met some of the most | 人不满意,然后又重新运行。 你觉得见过最 |
| 365 | influential people on the planet, do you feel that that's the dial, that's the compass that | 地球上有影响力的人, 你觉得这是拨号, 这是指南针 |
| 366 | we're trying to get to, or do you think that's just far off? Well, the most influential people, | 我们试图去, 还是你认为这是只是遥远的? 最有影响力的人 |
| 367 | most of them are too busy with the immediate crisis. Part of the problem, and this a little | 他们中的大多数都忙于眼前的危机。 问题的一部分,还有一点 |
| 368 | goes back to what we discussed earlier about boardroom and things like that, that they are | 回到我们之前讨论过的 会议室之类的事情 |
| 369 | overexcited. I can understand them. I'm lucky I don't have a country to run. I don't have a | 过度兴奋。 我能理解他们 幸无国家可逃. 我没有 |
| 370 | multi-billion corporation to run. I can allow myself the time to just read a book or just go | 数十亿的公司要经营。 我可以让自己 时间只是看一本书或只是去 |
| 371 | for a walk or go take a meditation retreat. They can't. Part of the issue, they can't or they won't. | 散步或去 冥想后退。 他们不能。 问题的一部分,他们不能或不会。 |
| 372 | They really can't. They have so much on their plate. They have all these immediate crisis. | 他们真的不能。 他们有这么多的盘子。 他们有所有这些眼前的危机。 |
| 373 | We had just the case in France with the protests against Emmanuel Macron. One of the things that | 我们刚刚在法国发生了一起反对埃马纽埃尔·麦克龙的抗议事件。 其中一个东西 |
| 374 | the protesters told him, and I'm not judging who is right, who is wrong. I don't understand | 抗议者告诉他, 我没有判断谁是对的,谁错了。 我听不懂你说什么 |
| 375 | French politics well enough. I was just struck by what they said. The initial cause was that he | 法国政治相当好 我只是被他们说的吓了一跳 最初的原因是他 |
| 376 | wanted to impose a new tax on fuel in order to combat climate change. This caused a huge backlash. | 希望对燃料征收新的税,以应对气候变化。 这引起了巨大的反弹。 |
| 377 | And some of the protesters told the president, you're thinking about what will happen 20 years | 有些抗议者告诉总统, 你在想20年会发生什么事 |
| 378 | from now. We are thinking about the end of the month. We don't have money for the end of the | 从今已后. 我们正在考虑月底。 我们没有钱了 |
| 379 | month. We don't care about 20 years from now. And that's a real issue. It's easy and I talk a lot | 一个月。 我们不在乎20年后的事 这才是真正的问题 很简单,我经常说话 |
| 380 | about the need to, we need to do something about climate change. But then a simplistic answer, | 关于需要,我们需要做一些关于气候变化的事情。 但后来一个简单的答案, |
| 381 | okay, let's just put money on tax on fuel. And if this tax hurts disproportionately | 好吧,让我们把钱 税燃料。 如果这种税伤得太重 |
| 382 | poorer people, then this is not a good solution. So now he has this crisis on his hands and he | 穷人,那么这不是一个好的解决办法。 所以他现在有这个危机 在他的手上,他 |
| 383 | can't just, okay, I'll just go on this long two months retreat and I'll do meditation. I'll hike | 不能只是,好吧,我将只是 继续这个漫长的两个月的撤退 我会做冥想。 我走开 |
| 384 | in the Alps and I'll inform myself about climate change. And he doesn't have the time. He has that | 在阿尔卑斯山,我会告诉自己 关于气候变化。 他没有时间。 他有这个 |
| 385 | he has Brexit. He has the EU elections. He has the crisis in Libya. He has the relations with | 他有布莱克西特。 他有欧盟的选举。 他有危机 在利比亚。 他有关系 |
| 386 | China. And by the time you reach this influential place, you really don't have the luxury | 中国. 当你到达这个有影响力的地方, 你真的没有奢侈品 |
| 387 | to think slow and broad. And that's a huge, huge problem for the system. | 思考缓慢和宽广。 这对系统来说是一个巨大的问题。 |
| 388 | And again, I don't have these easy solutions. Part of the idea of addressing the general public, | 再说一遍,我没有这些简单的解决办法。 向一般公众发表演讲的部分想法, |
| 389 | like what we were doing here, and not just going and talking with a few presidents and CEOs, | 就像我们在这里所做的, 不只是去和一些总裁和首席执行官交谈, |
| 390 | is to realize that yes, they are very influential people, but they are also extremely limited | 是意识到,是的, 他们是非常有影响力的人, 但他们也极其有限 |
| 391 | by their position of power and by the enormous pressures on them from different directions. | 因为他们拥有权力 并且受到来自不同方向的巨大压力 |
| 392 | So even for the influential people, it would be easier to do something on climate change | 因此,即使对有影响力的人来说, 做一些关于气候变化的事情会更容易 |
| 393 | if you have tens of millions of people saying that this is their number one priority and that | 如果你有上千万人说 这是他们的首要任务 |
| 394 | they are willing to make some painful sacrifices for that. And it's the same with a kind of global | 他们愿意为此作出一些痛苦的牺牲。 也一样 |
| 395 | educational crisis that I hope that more and more people around the world understand that, | 我希望全世界越来越多的人明白, |
| 396 | you know, the consequences of this crisis, we will see them only in 20 years. When the people | 这场危机的后果 20年后我们才会看到 当人民 |
| 397 | today in Indonesia and Nigeria and Brazil, who are now in kindergarten, when they will be 30 and 40, | 今天在印度尼西亚、尼日利亚和巴西, 他们现在正在幼儿园里, 他们30岁和40岁, |
| 398 | this is when the full force of the crisis will hit. But if we wait until they are 40 | 这就是危机的全部力量将冲击的时刻。 但是如果我们等到他们40岁 |
| 399 | to do something about it, it's too late. We need to think what we are teaching youngsters today | 要做点什么,已经太晚了。 我们要想想我们今天教的是什么 |
| 400 | in order to solve the coming crisis of 2050. | 为了解决即将到来的2050年危机。 |
| 401 | Absolutely. Yeah. And I think that's a very good analysis of the situation because | 当然 对 我认为这是对形势的很好的分析 因为... |
| 402 | I appreciate that there is no quick solution. There is no easy recipe. And when I'm listening | 我赞赏没有迅速的解决办法。 没有容易的食谱。 当我在听 |
| 403 | to you talk, there's parts of me that are thinking like, it's the way we've constructed | 对你说话,我有些部分在想,就像,这是我们构建的方式 |
| 404 | these roles of influence that these people don't have the time and space and the boredom to be | 这些影响的作用 这些人没有时间和空间 |
| 405 | able to actually do their jobs properly. Like we've not created these roles efficiently and | 能够真正做好他们的工作。 就像我们没有创造这些角色 高效和 |
| 406 | effectively. And at the same time, the responsibility on each and every one of us listening and watching | 有效地。 同时,我们每个人都有责任聆听和观看 |
| 407 | right now to actually become change makers ourselves, to be someone who takes responsibility for | 现在就成为变革的创造者 成为负责 |
| 408 | action, to be a part of the solution, to actually step up and say, no, this is a priority and we | 行动,成为解决方案的一部分, 实际站出来说,不,这是一个优先事项,我们 |
| 409 | need to go in that direction. I think that is, even though it's not a quick recipe, I think it's a | 需要朝这个方向走。 我认为,尽管这不是一个快速的食谱, 我认为这是一个 |
| 410 | good wake up call. I think it's good wake up call that can make us all aware that we can't just wait | 醒来吧 我觉得唤醒电话会让我们意识到 我们不能只是等待 |
| 411 | for this to be solved from the top because that's not really going to happen. Especially assuming | 因为这不是真的会发生。 特别是假设 |
| 412 | that a lot of our viewers and listeners are in the United States, then America is still the most | 我们很多观众和听众在美国, 那么美国仍然是最 |
| 413 | powerful country in the world, economically, militarily, politically. So Americans can do | 世界上强大的国家,经济,军事,政治。 美国人可以做 |
| 414 | more than the citizens of any other country. And there is still, you know, this expectation | 比任何其他国家的公民都要多 还有,你知道,这个期望 |
| 415 | that America will be the leader of the world. In recent years, it's been going in the opposite | 美国将成为世界的领袖。 近些年来,情况一直相反 |
| 416 | direction that it's really, I think that's very unfortunate, abdicating, willingly abdicating | 我认为这是真的, 我认为这是非常不幸, 放弃,自愿放弃 |
| 417 | its role as leader of the world. For decades, you know, both from the right and left, Republicans, | 作为世界领导人的作用。 几十年来,无论从左右,共和党, |
| 418 | Democrats, what was common to all the spectrum of American political system was that they | 民主党人 美国政治制度所有阶层的共同之处是 |
| 419 | intentionally saw themselves as the leaders of at least the free world. And then in the last few | 故意把自己视为至少自由世界的领导人。 然后最后几个 |
| 420 | years, America comes and says, no, we don't want this job anymore. For us, America first, | 多年来,美国来 说,不,我们不想 这份工作了。 对我们来说,美国第一, |
| 421 | we need to, first of all, think about ourselves and our own interests. And nobody wants to follow | 我们首先需要考虑我们自己和我们自身的利益。 没有人想跟随 |
| 422 | a leader whose motto is me first. So the rest of the world, I mean, is now, you know, some countries | 他的座右铭是我 所以,世界其他地区,我的意思是,现在是, 你知道,一些国家 |
| 423 | are trying to step up and fill the vacuum. So in climate change, now China is becoming kind of or | 正在试图加快并填补真空。 因此,在气候变化中,现在中国 正在变成一种或 |
| 424 | tries to depict itself as the leader of the world in trying to combat climate change. But then in | 试图把自己描绘成世界领导人,努力应对气候变化。 但后来 |
| 425 | other areas, it's definitely not like that. So in this moment of real crisis in human history, | 其他地方,它绝对不是这样的。 所以在人类历史上真正的危机时刻 |
| 426 | we find the world without a leader. And this, again, this is something that people in the US | 我们发现这个世界没有领袖。 再说一遍,这是美国人民所关心的 |
| 427 | can do more about than in any other place, because still, the US is kind of the | 与其它任何地方相比,美国可以做得更多,因为美国仍然是 |
| 428 | almost natural leader for humanity, because it is still the most powerful country in the world. | 几乎是人类的天然领袖,因为它仍然是世界上最强大的国家。 |
| 429 | Other countries, of course, have to step in. And it would be good to have a world which is less | 当然,其他国家必须介入。 拥有一个更少的世界会更好 |
| 430 | unipolar, when we can't just trust a single country to do everything all the time. | 单极化,当我们不能只相信一个国家 做所有的时间。 |
| 431 | Definitely. | 当然 |
| 432 | But there is still a huge disparity in powers between the different parts of the world. That's | 但是,世界不同地区在权力上仍然存在巨大差距. 这是 |
| 433 | still the case. | 还是这样 |
| 434 | Yeah, definitely. But I do like that point you made there, even though it's a subtle point is that | 当然 但我喜欢你说的这个观点 虽然这很微妙 |
| 435 | ultimately, if we live in that belief that this country is the most powerful, and they're going | 归根结底,如果我们生活在这样的信念中, 这个国家是最强大的, 他们要去 |
| 436 | to solve everything, then we also kind of just rehabilitate ourselves. And we just go, oh, well, | 解决一切问题, 然后,我们也 那种只是恢复自己。 我们只是去,哦,好吧, |
| 437 | if they're not going in the right direction, or wait for them to go in the right direction. | 如果他们不走正确的方向, 或者等待他们走正确的方向。 |
| 438 | And actually, what we all need to do, in my opinion, is pull our socks up and get stuck in, | 而实际上,我们都需要做的, 在我看来, 是拉我们的袜子和卡住, |
| 439 | because I'm not a big fan of the victim mentality or the mentality of waiting for someone else to | 因为我不是受害者心理的粉丝 也不是等待别人 |
| 440 | solve a crisis. It's like if your house is on fire, you don't wait for your mom or your dad | 解决危机。 这就像如果你的房子着火, 你不等待你的妈妈或你爸爸 |
| 441 | to fix it. You get involved too, right? And so if we believe that there's a crisis, or even if we | 来修复它。 你也参与其中,对吧? 所以,如果我们相信 有危机,甚至我们 |
| 442 | don't believe there's a crisis, but we believe things are not going in the right direction, | 不相信有危机, 但我们相信事情不会朝着正确的方向发展, |
| 443 | I would want everyone from every country, whether it's India, whether it's Australia, whether it's | 我希望每一个国家的每一个人,无论是印度,还是澳大利亚, |
| 444 | across Europe, to step in and take action. In that sense, actually, the one good thing | 在整个欧洲, 介入并采取行动。 从这个意义上说,其实,是一件好事 |
| 445 | that comes out or could come out of the current retreat of the United States from the position | 或可能从美国目前从阵地退缩 |
| 446 | as leader of the world is that it kind of forces other countries and other people to step in. | 作为世界的领袖 它迫使其他国家和其他人介入 |
| 447 | And I hope that this will happen. Yeah, good. We have the same hope. We have the same hope. | 我希望这种情况能够发生。 是啊,不错。 我们也有同样的希望。 我们也有同样的希望。 |
| 448 | I love this. Okay, great. So we've kind of gone from happiness and inside to global, | 我喜欢这个 好吧,伟大的。 我们从幸福到全球 |
| 449 | macro viewpoints. I want to go back inwards again. And this is actually from a couple of days ago. | 宏视图。 我想回到内心去 这其实是几天前的。 |
| 450 | I read somewhere that when Tim Cook was speaking at the Time 100 Summit, an event that happened | 我在某处读到,当蒂姆·库克 在时间100峰会上演讲, 一个事件发生了 |
| 451 | this week, he was speaking about how if you're spending more time looking at a screen than in | 这周,他谈到 如果你花更多的时间看屏幕 而不是在 |
| 452 | someone else's eyes, then you have a problem. And we're getting things wrong. And that's a good line. | 别人的眼睛, 然后你有一个问题。 我们弄错了 这句台词不错 |
| 453 | Yeah, it's a very good line. And you also said that, you know, you said that it's so | 是啊,这是一个非常好的台词。 你还说,你知道, 你说它是如此 |
| 454 | much easier now to connect with your cousin in Switzerland than it is with your husband | 现在跟你在瑞士的表妹联系起来 比跟你丈夫联系容易多了 |
| 455 | because he's always looking at his phone at breakfast. You did write that down. It is out | 因为他总是在早餐时看手机 你写下来了 出来了 |
| 456 | there. You did say so. Walk me through that addiction. We spoke a bit about the excitement | 这里 你说的 带我穿过那个瘾 我们聊了一下刺激 |
| 457 | we get from the phone, the addiction we have from the phone. But how have you seen people | 我们从电话里得到, 从电话里得到的毒瘾。 但你是怎么见到别人的 |
| 458 | overcome that? Part of it is also that when you connect with somebody through a phone or through | 克服了吗? 部分内容是 当你通过电话和某人联系时 |
| 459 | a screen, again, it's easier to deal with the problematic stuff because you can just shut the | 一个屏幕,再次,它更容易 处理问题的东西 因为你可以只是关闭 |
| 460 | phone once it becomes problematic. And with a real person, you can't do that. So real relationships | 电话一旦变得问题。 且与真人,则不可. 如此真实的关系 |
| 461 | forces you again, it's like the boredom thing. They force you to deal with the difficult issues. | 强迫你再次, 这就像无聊的事情。 他们强迫你处理困难的问题。 |
| 462 | And part of the attraction of all these online communities and online relationships and virtual | 也是吸引所有这些在线社区的一部分 在线关系和虚拟 |
| 463 | relationships is that once a difficulty arises, you can just immediately disappear. Like you can | 关系是,一旦出现困难,你可以立刻消失。 就像你能够 |
| 464 | unfriend your Facebook friends in a way that you can't un-neighbor your real neighbors. | 与你的Facebook朋友失去朋友的方式 你无法解开你的邻居 |
| 465 | If you live in a house and this annoying family just moved in and the kids are making a lot of | 如果你住在一个房子 这个烦人的家庭刚刚搬进来 孩子们正在做很多 |
| 466 | noise in the middle of the night and you can't just say, okay, I'll press a button and they'll | 半夜的噪音,你不能只说, 好吧,我会按一个按钮,他们会 |
| 467 | disappear from my life. Can you imagine that? Eject, delete. Un-neighbor. It doesn't work like | 从我的生活中消失。 你能想象吗? 弹出,删除。 不邻者. 这不象 |
| 468 | it. So you need to develop these social skills. Okay, what do I do? Okay, I'll go there and I | 这个 所以你需要发展这些社交技能。 好吧,我该怎么办? 好吧,我会去那里,我 |
| 469 | knock on their door with a cake or something and I'll try to have a nice conversation | 用蛋糕什么的敲他们的门 我会试着好好谈谈的 |
| 470 | and somehow make them understand that I need to sleep and they should keep their kids more | 让他们明白 我需要睡觉 他们应该多照顾孩子 |
| 471 | quiet or something. But it forces you to develop these social skills. And that's extremely | 安静什么的。 但它迫使你发展这些社交技能。 这是极其 |
| 472 | important and we are losing these skills. I mean, the more time, again, you spend watching screens | 我们失去了这些技能。 我的意思是,越多的时间,再次, 你花看屏幕 |
| 473 | than watching eyes is you are in this sense kind of downgrading some of our human abilities. I've | 比看眼睛,你是在这种意义上 降低我们的一些人的能力。 我见过 |
| 474 | just seen this wonderful presentation by Tristan Harris, who is this tech philosopher from | 崔斯坦·哈里斯的精彩演讲 他就是一位技术哲学家 |
| 475 | Silicon Valley. And he just had this wonderful presentation about how technology is basically | 硅谷(原变种). 他刚刚做了一个精彩的演讲 介绍科技是如何基本 |
| 476 | downgrading humans, downgrading human skills, like what to do when you have a problem with | 降低人类的等级,降低人类的技能, 比如当你遇到问题时怎么办 |
| 477 | your neighbors. Right. So actually instead of technology upgrading us, it's downgrading our | 你的邻居 对 因此,实际上,与其提升我们的技术, 它正在降低我们 |
| 478 | human skills. Yeah, we upgrade our phones all the time, but inadvertently it downgrades a lot of | 人类技能。 是啊,我们一直更新我们的手机, 但无意中它降级了很多 |
| 479 | our social and personal skills. Yeah. And which ones do you think are the biggest ones that we're | 我们的社会和个人技能。 对 你觉得是哪个最大的 |
| 480 | losing? So one of them is, you know, deleting our neighbors. And yeah, I completely agree with you. | 输了? 所以其中一个是,你知道,删除我们的邻居。 我完全同意你的观点 |
| 481 | What are the other ones that we're losing out on that we can be aware of? So anyone who's listening | 我们还在失去什么? 所以,任何人谁在听 |
| 482 | and watching right now, how can they become more aware of the types of skills we're losing? Because | 眼下,他们怎么能 更清楚我们失去的技能? 因为 |
| 483 | sometimes I don't think it's as obvious to us because everyone's on their phone. Our careers | 有时候我觉得我们不这么明显 因为每个人都在打电话 我们的事业 |
| 484 | are now digital. We just talked about AI and the rise of technology in every area of our lives, | 现在数字化。 我们刚刚谈到AI和科技的兴起 在我们生活的每一个领域, |
| 485 | whether it's work, health, like your dentist now wants you to use a toothbrush that can notify | 无论是工作,健康,像你的牙医 现在希望你用牙刷 可以通知 |
| 486 | them when something goes wrong in your tooth. Right. So it's like all parts of our lives are | 当你的牙齿出问题时 对 就像我们生活的所有部分 |
| 487 | becoming automated and systemic. So how can we become more aware of the skills we're losing or | 变得自动化和系统化。 所以,我们怎样才能更加意识到 我们失去的技能或 |
| 488 | which ones are those top skills that we're losing? Well, many of the top skills are social of dealing | 哪些是我们失去的顶尖技能? 嗯,许多顶尖技能是社交交易 |
| 489 | with other people. So another example, which is now gets a lot of attention and there is a lot of | 和别人 所以,另一个例子,它现在 得到很多关注 有很多 |
| 490 | talk about this is all the issue of filter bubbles. Okay. That people kind of lock them or even | 说到这都是过滤泡的问题 摆 那种人 锁他们甚至 |
| 491 | 无意中,算法,Facebook算法,Twitter算法,YouTube | |
| 492 | algorithm that gets to know us increasingly show us videos or articles or opinions, which are a | 开始了解我们的算法 越来越多地向我们展示视频或文章或观点 |
| 493 | lined with our own opinions. And we think that the entire world thinks like me, like, I don't know, | 与我们的意见一致。 而我们认为,整个世界 认为像我,喜欢,我不知道, |
| 494 | I'm a Democrat and I don't know any Republicans and I never see any Republican videos. And then | 我是一个民主党人,我不认识任何共和党人,我从不看任何共和党视频. 礛 |
| 495 | when the Trump wins the election, I can't understand how could it be? There are no Republicans. So who | 当特朗普赢得选举时,我无法理解怎么会这样? 没有共和党人。 那是谁 |
| 496 | voted for him? It's all the people not in your filter bubble voted for him. And what we are losing | 投给他? 这是所有的人 不在你的过滤泡 投票给他。 我们失去的东西 |
| 497 | is the ability to engage with opinions, with people who think differently from us. | 就是能够与我们不同想法的人交流 |
| 498 | Now, one crude way of trying to fix that, that at least some corporations like Facebook tried to do | 现在,一个粗糙的方法试图解决这个问题, 至少一些公司 像Facebook试图做 |
| 499 | is every now and then show you an article from the different side of the political spectrum. | 时不时地给你看一篇文章 来自不同政治面。 |
| 500 | But this didn't work because it only made people even more angry because it wasn't in a situation | 但是这不起作用,因为那只会让人更生气 因为当时情况并非如此 |
| 501 | when you can really engage with the people behind it. Like you have this your view in the world and | 当你能真正和幕后黑手接触的时候 就像你有这个 你的世界观和 |
| 502 | you read something from another perspective and you become very angry. What are these stupid people | 你从另一个角度读到一些东西 你变得非常愤怒 这些蠢人是什么? |
| 503 | who think like that? And it actually made things even worse. Now, again, a century ago, if you lived | 谁这么认为? 这实际上使事情更糟。 现在,再次,一个世纪前, 如果你活着 |
| 504 | in some small town, then the situation was such that you all the time encountered people who | 在一个小镇,然后情况是这样的 你一直遇到的人 谁 |
| 505 | think differently from you because the community was made of different | 与你不同的想法,因为社会是由不同的 |
| 506 | viewpoints. And you had to develop these skills of how to engage and how to cooperate. | 观点。 你不得不发展这些如何参与和如何合作的技能。 |
| 507 | And part of what technology is doing is that it downgrades these skills and it makes life easier. | 技术的一部分是 降低这些技能的等级,让生活更容易。 |
| 508 | And it's all these things which are difficult and uncomfortable to do, | 而所有这些事情 很难做和不舒服, |
| 509 | like having a real conversation with somebody who thinks differently. | 就像跟一个想法不同的人真正交谈 |
| 510 | And it's just so much easier just to talk with the people who think like me. | 和像我这样想的人谈话就容易多了 |
| 511 | Totally. Absolutely. Yeah. And it's that principle of non-judgment, being able to view, | 当然 当然 对 这是不判断原则, 能够查看, |
| 512 | observe and entertain a thought without judging it. And that becomes extremely hard right now. | 观察和娱乐一个想法,而不加以判断。 现在这变得非常困难。 |
| 513 | There was a great study by MIT where they showed two people's networks | 麻省理工学院做了一项伟大的研究 他们展示了两个人的网络 |
| 514 | and it was looking at their online network and saying which one is more creative and impactful | 它看着他们的在线网络 说哪个更富有创意和影响力 |
| 515 | and innovative. And it was employee A and it was employee B and their Twitter networks. | 创新。 是雇员A,是雇员B和他们的Twitter网络。 |
| 516 | And they found that when you know the same people who know the same people who know you back, | 他们发现当你认识那些 认识你的人时 |
| 517 | you end up being less creative, less innovative and come up with less interesting ideas because | 你最后的创造力 创新力 和提出 不那么有趣的想法,因为 |
| 518 | you don't have that challenging of thoughts. And so I love that one of your solutions to that, | 你没有什么挑战性的想法。 所以我喜欢你的解决方案之一 |
| 519 | or one of your recommendations, at least that I gained from the book, | 或你的建议之一, 至少从书中我得到了, |
| 520 | was this beautiful quality of humility, of being the openness that we have towards other people's | 是我们对他人的开放 |
| 521 | views and not this kind of deep religious belief about the truth of our views and how we're always | 而不是这种深刻的宗教信仰 关于我们的观点真相 和我们如何总是 |
| 522 | right. I love that. Let's dive into humility. First of all, I'm fascinated that you brought | 对 我喜欢 让我们潜入谦卑。 首先,我觉得你带来了 |
| 523 | up humility because humility is probably my favorite quality in the world. I find it the | 谦卑一点 因为谦卑可能是我最喜欢的品质 我发现它 |
| 524 | most endearing thing in the world when I meet someone who has it, especially someone who's very | 世上最爱的东西 当我遇到一个拥有它的人, 尤其是一个非常 |
| 525 | accomplished. And my favorite story about humility, and I'm sure you know this, but I'm sharing it for | 已经完成。 我最喜欢的关于谦卑的故事, 我相信你知道这一点, 但我分享它为 |
| 526 | anyone who's listening and watching right now, is from Benjamin Franklin and his 13 precepts. | 现在在听和看的人 都是本杰明·富兰克林和他的13个戒律 |
| 527 | So Benjamin Franklin had 12 precepts, 12 things that he wanted to live during his life that he | 所以本杰明・富兰克林有12条戒律 12条他生前想生活的东西 |
| 528 | wanted to aspire for. And once one of his friends said that you're getting a bit egotistic about | 想向往着 有一次他的一个朋友说 你有点自私 |
| 529 | these things, you're pretty good at it. So he added the 13th one. And then when he was dying, | 这些东西,你相当擅长它。 于是他加入了第13个. 然后当他死了, |
| 530 | supposedly the story goes that he was asked which one he didn't achieve. And he said it was the 13th | 据说他被问到哪一个没有成功 他说是13号 |
| 531 | one. And they said, which one was the 13th one? He said humility. He said that was the one that | 一个 他们说,哪一个是第13个? 他说谦卑。 他说是那个 |
| 532 | he didn't achieve in his lifetime. So humility. Another thing that I think about monks in the | 他一生都没有成功 如此谦逊. 我对僧侣还有一点想法 |
| 533 | Buddhist tradition or Hindu tradition, whatever the monk cuts from his other vices, he adds to | 佛教传统或印度教传统 不管修道士从他其他的恶习中切除什么 他都加入了 |
| 534 | his ego, to his pride. I've overcome this. I've overcome that. | 他的自负,他的骄傲。 我已经克服了这一点。 我已经克服了 |
| 535 | Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. As soon as we feel we've achieved something, yeah, it becomes a step | 没错 没错 对 只要我们觉得我们有所成就 就成了一步 |
| 536 | on the other side of ego. Absolutely. I completely agree. So I love humility. I'm fascinated by it. | 在自我的另一边。 当然 我完全同意你的观点。 所以我喜欢谦卑 迷着此法. |
| 537 | What's your definition of humility? And how do we start increasing humility in our lives in a | 你对谦卑的定义是什么? 我们如何开始 提高我们生活中的谦卑度 |
| 538 | positive way? Well, I mean, in the book, it's more again, in the more political and historical | 积极的方式? 嗯,我的意思是,在书里, 它更多的再次, 在更多的政治和历史 |
| 539 | context. And the idea is don't think you're the center of the world. And this is actually, | 上下文。 这个想法是不要认为你是世界的中心。 事实上, |
| 540 | again, in the book, it's more about collective humility, the humility of groups, of political | 在书中 更多是关于集体谦卑 团体谦卑 政治谦卑 |
| 541 | parties, of nations, of religions. One of the curious things to see as a historian is that | 政党、国家、宗教。 历史学家的好奇之处之一是 |
| 542 | everybody thinks they are the most important thing in the world. Even you wouldn't believe these | 每个人都认为它们是世界上最重要的事情。 连你都不会相信这些 |
| 543 | tiny tribes or insignificant nations, they somehow manage to kind of turn the whole history around | 很小的部落或微不足道的民族, 他们设法扭转了整个历史 |
| 544 | so they turn out to be the most important thing. Anyway, if the Chinese think they are the most | 因此,他们变成了最重要的事情。 总之,如果中国人认为他们是最好的 |
| 545 | important in the world, then okay, I can understand it to some extent. But then you go, say, to Israel | 在世界上很重要,那么好吧, 我可以在一定程度上理解它。 但你却去以色列 |
| 546 | and you find this tiny nation utterly convinced that we are the most important thing in the world. | 你发现这个小国 完全相信 我们是世界上最重要的东西 |
| 547 | The entire world revolves just around us. And it was always like that, that we invented | 整个世界都围绕着我们 我们总是这样发明 |
| 548 | everything. And I used the example of Israel as in Jews because it's not so nice to criticize | 一切众生. 我用以色列作为犹太人的例子,因为批评不是很好 |
| 549 | other nations and other people. It's easier when you criticize your own. But this is not meant as | 其他国家和其他国家的人民。 当你批评你自己的时候就更容易了. 但这并不是说 |
| 550 | a kind of anti-Jewish or anti-Israeli thing. Whatever your nationality or religion is, now after | 一种反犹太或反以色列的东西。 无论你的国籍或宗教是什么 现在 |
| 551 | you finish watching this, do this exercise on your group. And in almost any invention you would | 完成这个, 做这个练习 在你的小组。 在几乎所有的发明中,你会 |
| 552 | mention, they would say, oh, we invented it first. There is even a story that Jews invented yoga. | 提到,他们会说,哦,我们先发明的。 甚至还有犹太人发明瑜伽的故事. |
| 553 | Would you believe that? The postures of... I'm in Jerusalem. When I was a student, I went to- | 你相信吗? 我在耶路撒冷的姿势 当我还是学生的时候,我去了... |
| 554 | That was definitely India. | 那绝对是印度。 |
| 555 | Yeah. I went to study yoga with this teacher in Jerusalem. And on the first class, | 对 我和这位老师在耶路撒冷学习瑜伽 在头等舱, |
| 556 | he explained to the students, you know that lots of people think that yoga comes from India, | 他向学生解释, 你知道很多人认为瑜伽来自印度, |
| 557 | but no, no, no, no, no. Actually, yoga was invented by Abraham. And the postures of yoga | 却曰. 实际上,瑜伽是由亚伯拉罕发明的. 和瑜伽的姿势 |
| 558 | actually reflect the letters of the Hebrew alphabet, the aleph, the bet, the gimel, the there. | 实际反映的是希伯来字母表的字母, 字母,字母,字母,注,字母,字母,字母,字母。 |
| 559 | And, you know, I quit after this first class. This is not the person I would be studying yoga | 而且,你知道,我辞职 后这个头等舱。 这不是我学瑜伽的人 |
| 560 | from. But you have people seriously believing that. And when you look at the great span of | 从. 但你有 人认真相信这一点。 当你看到伟大的范围 |
| 561 | human history, it should be obvious that nobody's at the center. Yes, almost every nation or | 人类的历史,应该很明显,没有人站在中心. 是的,几乎每一个国家或 |
| 562 | religion contributed something, but most things, if you had to live your life based only on the | 宗教有所贡献,但多数事情, 如果你不得不生活 你的生活只基于 |
| 563 | inventions and creations of people from your nation, you would have a very miserable life. | 你的国家的发明和创造, 你会有一个非常悲惨的生活。 |
| 564 | You'd probably be dead. I mean, if you have to eat only the things that were domesticated | 你可能已经死了。 我的意思是,如果你只吃那些被驯化的东西 |
| 565 | by your direct ancestors, like, I don't know, Italians, you must now stop eating tomatoes | 你的直系祖先,像,我不知道,意大利人, 你们现在必须停止吃番茄 |
| 566 | because tomatoes were domesticated in Mexico and not by Italians. And Indians forget about these | 因为西红柿在墨西哥被驯化 而不是被意大利人驯化 印第安人忘记了这些 |
| 567 | chili peppers. No more chili peppers for you. Chili peppers were also domesticated by Mexicans. | 辣椒 pepper. 别再给你辣椒了 辣椒也被墨西哥人驯化. |
| 568 | And Mexicans don't put yourself too high because you like your steaks and hamburgers. There were | 墨西哥人不会因为你喜欢牛排和汉堡而太高 曾经 |
| 569 | no cows in America before Columbus and no horses. They came from the old world and so forth and so | 哥伦布之前没有美国牛 没有马 他们来自旧世界等等 |
| 570 | on. And it's just not just food. It's everything. So really understanding how interconnected | 继续 这不仅仅是食物。 谓一切法. 所以真正理解 如何相互联系 |
| 571 | the whole humanity is and that, yes, your people contributed something, but it's a small thing. | 整个人类是,是的,你的人民 贡献了什么, 但这是一件小事。 |
| 572 | It's not the whole thing. And it's most important, I think, in the field of morality. | 这不是整个事情。 我认为,这在道德领域是最重要的。 |
| 573 | Because again, I mean, in Israel, there is this very strong belief we invented morality. | 因为,在以色列, 有一种非常强烈的信念 我们发明了道德。 |
| 574 | Before the Jews, there was no ethics in the world. We invented it. And the entire world owes us | 在犹太人之前,世界上没有道德规范. 我们发明了它。 整个世界都欠我们 |
| 575 | this huge debt of gratitude because all the morality in the world came from the Jews. | 因为世界上所有的道德 都是来自犹太人 |
| 576 | And this is absolute nonsense. I mean, even monkeys have morality, even animals. It goes, | 这简直是胡说八道 我的意思是,即使是猴子都有道德,甚至动物。 开始 |
| 577 | it's millions of years ago. It's in evolution. Some at least social rules of do and don't do. | 这是数百万年前。 在进化中. 至少有些社会规则 做和不做。 |
| 578 | And hunter-gatherers tens of thousands of years ago had ethics long before they knew anything | 而猎人采集者数万年前 早在他们知道什么之前就有了伦理 |
| 579 | about the Bible. People in India, in China, in Australia, had extremely wonderful ethical | 关于圣经。 印度人,中国人,澳大利亚人,都有极好的道德 |
| 580 | systems in many ways much better than anything that came out of the Judeo-Christian tradition | 从许多方面来说,制度比犹太-基督教传统产生的一切要好得多。 |
| 581 | long before they knew anything about the Bible. So yes, Jews contributed some things, but | 早在他们知道圣经的事之前 所以,是的,犹太人贡献了一些东西,但 |
| 582 | don't let it go to your head. You are not so important. | 不要让它去你的头上。 你没那么重要 |
| 583 | What a beautiful message to end on on that message. I love that message. I think it's | 多么美好的信息结束 在那个信息。 我喜欢这个信息。 我觉得 |
| 584 | incredible if we all looked at our wardrobes, our kitchens, our refrigerators, our homes, | 如果我们都看看衣柜,厨房,冰箱,家, |
| 585 | our cars, we noticed that it was inspired by the globe. It was never one or the other. It was | 我们的车,我们注意到 它的灵感来自全球。 从来没有过 这是 |
| 586 | never just one place or one country or one region. I think it's such a beautiful message. | 从来没有一个地方或一个国家或地区。 我认为这是一个如此美丽的信息。 |
| 587 | I have so many more questions I want to ask you. I hope we're going to do this again on | 我还有很多问题想问你 我希望我们能再做一次 |
| 588 | nationalism, competition and a billion other things. But we end every interview with what | 民族主义、竞争和十亿其他东西。 但是,我们结束每一次采访 什么 |
| 589 | we call the final five quick fire rapid fire questions. So these are one to three word | 我们把最后五个快速火力问题称为快速火力问题 这些是一到三个字 |
| 590 | answers. One sentence maximum. So this is number one. What is the biggest mistake we make as humans? | 答问. 最多一句话 所以这是第一。 我们人类最大的错误是什么? |
| 591 | One word, three words, one sentence max. Underestimate our stupidity. | 一个字,三个字,一个句子最大。 低估了我们的愚蠢 |
| 592 | Nice. I love it. Okay. Question number two. What is the best advice you've ever received? | 不错 我喜欢它。 摆 第二问. 你收到的最好的建议是什么? |
| 593 | Observe your breath. Nice. Number three. What is the worst advice you've ever received? | 观其气. 不错 三号 你收到的最差的建议是什么? |
| 594 | Just follow your heart. Nice. Okay. Number four. What's the one thing you want to learn this year | 随心而行. 不错 摆 四号. 你今年想学什么? |
| 595 | or you're trying to learn this year? | 还是你今年想学? |
| 596 | How the other side is thinking is thinking. Nice. I like that. Awesome. And number five. | 彼岸如何是思惟. 不错 我喜欢 厉害 及五号. |
| 597 | If you could get everyone in the world to practice one thing for 30 days, what would it be? | 如果你能让全世界每个人都练习30天,那会是什么? |
| 598 | I won't say meditation because it's not going to work. | 我不会说冥想 因为它不会工作。 |
| 599 | Well, humility. I love it. You are incredible. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. | 好吧,谦卑。 我喜欢它。 你是不可思议的。 非常感谢你来播客。 |
| 600 | I really enjoyed it. We failed on the boring stuff. I'm hoping I got bored at one point, | 我真的很喜欢 无聊的东西我们失败了 我希望我有点无聊 |
| 601 | because otherwise this won't live up to your standards. But we started the border movement | 否则这不符合你的标准 但我们开始了边境行动 |
| 602 | today. I hope we're going to keep in touch. I hope we're going to be friends. And I'm just | 今时. 希望我们能保持联系 希望我们能成为朋友 我刚刚 |
| 603 | so grateful that you took the time to do this. Thank you so much. All the best for all the | 非常感谢你花时间这样做。 非常感谢 为大家好 |
| 604 | incredible work you're doing. I'm excited to see how your incredible mind and thoughts | 你正在做的令人难以置信的工作。 我很高兴看到你的不可思议的心思 |
| 605 | seep its way into our entertainment world as well and continue to help us make education | 也渗入娱乐圈 继续帮助我们接受教育 |
| 606 | more accessible and relevant. So thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much. | 更方便、更相关。 非常感谢 对 谢谢 对 非常感谢 |
| 607 | Great. Thank you everyone for watching. Make sure you subscribe to the show if you haven't already | 不错 感谢大家的观看。 还没签的话一定要签 |
| 608 | share this on Instagram as well. Remember, I'm always looking for your insights, the quotes that | 在Instagram上分享这个。 记住,我总是在寻找你的洞察力, 那些引用 |
| 609 | you took away. Feel free to share them on Instagram as well. Thank you so much for being here and being | 你带走了 也可以在Instagram上分享 非常感谢你在这里和在这里 |
| 610 | an incredible audience. See you guys soon. If you want even more videos just like this one, | 难以置信的观众。 再见 如果你想要更多的视频 就像这样, |
| 611 | make sure you subscribe and click on the boxes over here. I'm also excited to let you know that | 确保您订阅并点击这里的框。 我也很高兴告诉你 |
| 612 | you can now get my book Think Like a Monk from thinklikeamonkbook.com. Check below in the | 现在,你可以得到我的书 思考像一个僧侣 从思想类似amonkbook.com。 请检查date=中的日期值 (帮助) |
| 613 | description to make sure you order today. | 描述您今天的订单。 |
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | To say, okay, it's okay to fail because you're going to be loved no matter what. | 说,好吧,失败没关系 因为无论怎样,你都会被爱 |
| 0:03 | I had to look at it from a long term because I wasn't going to give up on the game. | 我不得不从长远来看,因为我不会放弃比赛. |
| 0:07 | So I had to say, okay, this year, I'm going to get better at that. | 所以我不得不说,好吧, 今年,我会得到更好的。 |
| 0:10 | Next year, this, and then so forth and so on. | 明年,此,而后之类也. |
| 0:14 | And then patiently, I was able to catch them. | 我耐心地抓住了他们 |
| 0:18 | The first question I want to ask you because so much of your content right now | 我想问你第一个问题,因为你现在有很多内容 |
| 0:22 | that you're creating here at Granity is aimed at helping young people, aimed at helping children. | 你在格拉尼蒂创作的作品 旨在帮助年轻人 帮助儿童 |
| 0:27 | And as a father of four girls, I wanted to ask you, | 作为四个女孩的父亲 我想问你 |
| 0:30 | what's the biggest thing you've learned about yourself by being a father? | 你当父亲学到最大的东西是什么? |
| 0:35 | You know, it's amazing. | 你知道,这是惊人的。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | To say, okay, it's okay to fail because you're going to be loved no matter what. | 说,好吧,失败没关系 因为无论怎样,你都会被爱 |
| 2 | I had to look at it from a long term because I wasn't going to give up on the game. | 我不得不从长远来看,因为我不会放弃比赛. |
| 3 | So I had to say, okay, this year, I'm going to get better at that. | 所以我不得不说,好吧, 今年,我会得到更好的。 |
| 4 | Next year, this, and then so forth and so on. | 明年,此,而后之类也. |
| 5 | And then patiently, I was able to catch them. | 我耐心地抓住了他们 |
| 6 | The first question I want to ask you because so much of your content right now | 我想问你第一个问题,因为你现在有很多内容 |
| 7 | that you're creating here at Granity is aimed at helping young people, aimed at helping children. | 你在格拉尼蒂创作的作品 旨在帮助年轻人 帮助儿童 |
| 8 | And as a father of four girls, I wanted to ask you, | 作为四个女孩的父亲 我想问你 |
| 9 | what's the biggest thing you've learned about yourself by being a father? | 你当父亲学到最大的东西是什么? |
| 10 | You know, it's amazing. | 你知道,这是惊人的。 |
| 11 | Like when you become a parent, things become much more, you know, life becomes, | 就像当你成为父母, 事情变得更多, 你知道,生活变得, |
| 12 | you know, it lines things up for you a little differently, right? | 你知道,它为你排列的东西 有点不同,对不对? |
| 13 | Like before you have kids, me and my wife, we can travel anytime. | 就像在你有孩子之前,我和我妻子, 我们可以随时旅行。 |
| 14 | You know, there's work and, you know, you become very, you have a very clear focus. | 你知道,有工作,你知道, 你变得非常, 你有一个非常明确的焦点。 |
| 15 | When you have children, it becomes about them. | 当你有孩子时,他们就会变成这样 |
| 16 | It's not about you guys anymore, right? | 这与你们无关,对不对? |
| 17 | And so that shift, it's a big one, you know, it's one of kind of a selfishness together | 所以,这个转变,是一个巨大的, 你知道,这是一个 一种自私在一起 |
| 18 | and then to being absolutely selfless and doing anything you can for your kids. | 然后变得无私 为你的孩子做任何事 |
| 19 | And so what I'm trying to do is create content to teach them first and foremost. | 因此,我想做的是创造内容,首先教导他们。 |
| 20 | That's why I started this whole thing is just reading stories to them | 所以我才开始把故事读给他们听 |
| 21 | that I felt like didn't exist. | 我觉得自己并不存在 |
| 22 | You know, our kids are athletes and they love reading about princesses and all these fairy | 你知道,我们的孩子是运动员 他们喜欢读公主和所有这些仙子 |
| 23 | tales. | 童话 |
| 24 | And, you know, they get a little sick and tired about the man saving the princess every time. | 而且,你知道,他们得到有点 生病和疲倦的人 救公主每次。 |
| 25 | And, you know, the same old stuff, magical wines and all that. | 而且,你知道,同样的老东西, 神奇的葡萄酒和这一切。 |
| 26 | My kids are athletes, man. | 我的孩子都是运动员 |
| 27 | They want to learn about soccer balls and basketballs and volleyballs and, | 他们想学习足球、篮球和排球 |
| 28 | you know, magic that comes from that. | 你知道,魔法从那里产生。 |
| 29 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 30 | And I love that you're encouraging young people to think more imaginatively about sports. | 我喜欢你鼓励年轻人 更富有想象力地思考体育。 |
| 31 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 32 | And I think that's where you go a step deeper. | 我想这就是你更深入的地方。 |
| 33 | You know, for me, observing you and learning about you and hearing you speak in other | 你知道,对我来说,观察你 学习你,听到你在别的地方说话 |
| 34 | interviews and everything, what I'm fascinated by is that you've dealt with things in life | 采访和一切,我感兴趣的是 你处理的事情在生活中 |
| 35 | pretty head on, right? | 头好漂亮,对吧? |
| 36 | You've always gone at it. | 你总是这样 |
| 37 | What took you a while? | 你怎么花了一段时间? |
| 38 | What was something in your life that you were shy about originally or that took you a while | 你一生中最害羞的是什么 或者是花了你一段时间 |
| 39 | to go head on with? | 继续前进? |
| 40 | But then finally you got there and you figured it out. | 但最后你到了那里,你明白了这一点。 |
| 41 | Writing deer basketball. | 写鹿篮球. |
| 42 | That was a hard jump, you know, because I had written before. | 那是个艰难的跳跃,你知道, 因为我以前写过。 |
| 43 | I mean, I started writing probably about 17 years ago. | 我大概17年前就开始写了 |
| 44 | So practicing every day. | 所以每天都在练习 |
| 45 | A lot of things that I wrote were ads. | 我写的很多都是广告 |
| 46 | And so you write an ad, nobody looks up at who wrote the ad, right? | 所以,你写广告, 没有人看 谁写广告,对不对? |
| 47 | You can kind of, there's a certain anonymity that comes along with that, right? | 你可以有种, 有一个特定的匿名 伴随着,对不对? |
| 48 | But writing deer basketball was different. | 但写鹿篮球却有所不同. |
| 49 | You know, it's putting it out there for the world to see. | 你知道,它把它放在那里 让世界看到。 |
| 50 | It's trying to create a short film. | 它试图创作一部短片. |
| 51 | And I didn't know if I could do it, man. | 我不知道我能不能做到这一点,伙计。 |
| 52 | And, you know, it was my daughter who kind of put things in perspective for me, Gianna. | 而且,你知道,是我女儿 把我的观点,吉安娜。 |
| 53 | She's now 13 and she was like, well, you always tell us to go for it. | 她现在13岁了,她就像,嗯, 你总是告诉我们去。 |
| 54 | So, yeah, she put me on the spot. | 所以,是的,她把我放在现场。 |
| 55 | She was like, you're going to talk about it. | 她想,你会谈论它。 |
| 56 | You're going to be about it basically. | 基本上你就是这么想的 |
| 57 | And, you know, that gave me the final push. | 这给了我最后的动力 |
| 58 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 59 | When you started writing 17 years ago, did you envision that one day | 17年前你开始写作时 你有没有想到有一天 |
| 60 | you would move into this storytelling space or was it just something you enjoyed? | 你会搬进讲故事的空间 还是你喜欢的东西? |
| 61 | No, man. | 不,伙计。 |
| 62 | It's just something I enjoyed and I enjoyed writing ads. | 我很喜欢写广告 |
| 63 | It was something funny about trying to distill a message down into 30 seconds or a minute, | 试图把信息分解成30秒或一分钟,这很有趣, |
| 64 | depending on the budget. | 视预算而定。 |
| 65 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 66 | Trying to say something important, trying to speak to the brand attributes, | 试图说一些重要的事情, 试图谈论品牌属性, |
| 67 | but also speak to something that's greater and that has a stronger message, | 还要讲一些更伟大 更强烈的信息 |
| 68 | stronger philosophical message. | 更强大的哲学信息。 |
| 69 | And how do you connect those dots? | 你怎么连接这些点? |
| 70 | So putting that puzzle together was something that was really intriguing. | 所以把谜题拼凑起来 真的很有趣 |
| 71 | But like, you know, I never thought I'd be writing novels or movies and that sort of stuff. | 但我从没想过我会写小说或电影之类的 |
| 72 | Never, man. | 从来没有,男人。 |
| 73 | I love that, man. | 我喜欢,伙计。 |
| 74 | I love it how everything evolves naturally. | 我喜欢一切自然演变 |
| 75 | And actually hearing you say that, it reminds me. | 而且实际上听到你说, 它提醒了我。 |
| 76 | So my vision when I was sharing earlier became very clearly making wisdom go viral. | 因此,我早些时候分享的愿景 变得非常明显地使智慧变得具有病毒性。 |
| 77 | And I was like, how do I take these teachings that are like so sacred, | 我当时想,我该如何接受这些 如此神圣的教义, |
| 78 | they're hidden away in these books? | 藏在这些书里? |
| 79 | And how do I make them really relevant and accessible and practical to the whole world? | 我如何使它们真正与全世界相关、方便和实用? |
| 80 | Because I know that anyone can access them. | 因为我知道任何人都可以访问他们。 |
| 81 | They're universal, right? | 它们是普遍的,对不对? |
| 82 | These teachings can apply to anyone, but sometimes they're just hidden away. | 这些教义可以适用于任何人,但有时它们只是隐藏在外. |
| 83 | And a young person doesn't know how to find them. | 一个年轻人不知道怎么找到他们 |
| 84 | So that inspires me hearing them. | 这让我能听到他们的声音。 |
| 85 | That's beautiful too, because especially in today's world, there's so much clutter. | 这也太漂亮了,因为特别在当今世界, 有很多杂乱无章的。 |
| 86 | It becomes harder for kids to try to weave through a lot of the crap that's out there | 孩子们更难编织出很多废话 |
| 87 | to find stuff that's actually beneficial to them. | 找到对他们有益的东西 |
| 88 | Yeah, I think you reminded me. | 是啊,我觉得你提醒了我。 |
| 89 | I think E.O. Wilson said, we're drowning in information, starving for wisdom. | 我想威尔逊说,我们被信息淹没, 渴望智慧。 |
| 90 | Yeah, that's for sure. | 是的,这是肯定的。 |
| 91 | Especially. | 特别是 |
| 92 | That's why I think your work is cutting through, | 所以我觉得你的工作很复杂 |
| 93 | because I think what you've managed to do with your new work is that | 因为我认为你的新工作是 |
| 94 | you're finding ways to connect with what people care about, | 你正在寻找方法 与人们关心的, |
| 95 | but you're taking it a step deeper. | 但你要更深入一点 |
| 96 | You're not just settling for like, let's talk about sports. | 你不只是安顿下来一样, 让我们谈谈运动。 |
| 97 | It's not just about sports, it's about life, right? | 不只是体育,而是生活,对吧? |
| 98 | It's about the metaphor that sports has for life. | 这是关于运动对生命的比喻. |
| 99 | Sports is the greatest metaphor we have in terms of dealing with life. | 体育是我们在处理生活方面最大的比喻。 |
| 100 | Because even if you listen to music, music will give you guidance | 因为即使你听音乐,音乐也会给你指引 |
| 101 | that you can then meditate on and think about how you would apply it. | 然后,你可以思考 思考如何应用它。 |
| 102 | In sports, you have to apply it in the here and now. | 在体育运动中,你必须在这里和现在应用. |
| 103 | You're faced with challenges moment to moment. | 你面对的挑战 瞬间。 |
| 104 | You're faced with pressures and anxiety and communication | 你面临压力 焦虑和沟通 |
| 105 | or the lack thereof and all this other stuff. | 或者是这些东西的缺乏 |
| 106 | It's in the moment, so you have to live it. | 即于一时,故得生也. |
| 107 | And when you practice those things, you become better at it. | 当你练习这些东西, 你就会变得更好。 |
| 108 | But I just feel like in this day and age, | 但我只是感觉 像在这个时代, |
| 109 | our children have become less imaginative about how to problem solve, | 我们的孩子们对如何解决问题的想象力越来越差 |
| 110 | and parents and coaches have become more directive | 父母和导师们已经变得更加有指导意义 |
| 111 | in trying to mandate or give orders or teach kids how to think | 试图授权或命令 或教孩子们如何思考 |
| 112 | and teach kids how to behave and tell them how to behave | 并教孩子们如何行为 并告诉他们如何行为 |
| 113 | versus teaching them how to behave. | 而不是教他们如何行为 |
| 114 | And so that's why I'm creating these stories and creating this content. | 这就是为什么我创作这些故事 和创造这些内容。 |
| 115 | Yeah, I love that. | 是啊,我喜欢。 |
| 116 | I think it's so true when you treat people as kids, | 我认为当你把人当孩子看待时 是真的 |
| 117 | then they always be kids, even when they grow up. | 然后他们总是孩子, 即使他们长大了。 |
| 118 | And for you, it was really powerful because you've talked about this before | 对你来说,它真的很强大 因为你以前说过这个 |
| 119 | where your father said to you like, whether you score zero or 60. | 你爸爸对你说的 无论你分数是零还是60 |
| 120 | I love you. | 我爱你 |
| 121 | Tell me what that statement meant to you at that time | 告诉我那段话对你的意义 |
| 122 | and how did it actually motivate you to continue scoring 60 | 如何激励你继续打60分 |
| 123 | rather than go, oh, I'm all right at zero? | 而不是去,哦,我没事在0? |
| 124 | Well, it did more than that, right? | 嗯,它做了不止这一点,对不对? |
| 125 | So like the basketball stuff speaks for itself | 所以,就像篮球的东西 说明自己 |
| 126 | in terms of what that comment made, you know, did for me | 就我所说的话来说,你知道的 |
| 127 | in terms of giving me stability and giving me confidence | 在给我稳定与信心方面 |
| 128 | to say, okay, it's okay to fail because you're going to be loved no matter what. | 说,好吧,这是好的失败 因为你会得到爱,无论什么。 |
| 129 | And that doesn't just mean basketball. | 这不仅仅是篮球 |
| 130 | That means anything in life. | 这在生活中意味着什么。 |
| 131 | That means writing. | 就是写作的意思 |
| 132 | That means being an entrepreneur. | 这意味着做一个企业家。 |
| 133 | That means having the confidence to go for it. | 这意味着有信心去争取它。 |
| 134 | And I've seen too many parents do the exact opposite | 我见过太多父母做完全相反的事 |
| 135 | and it terrifies children and children become paralyzed by their own fear | 它使儿童恐惧,儿童因恐惧而瘫痪 |
| 136 | because they don't have that security blanket of love and comfort. | 因为他们没有爱和舒适的安全毯子 |
| 137 | Yeah, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 138 | How have you been able to in your life | 你怎么会这样 |
| 139 | see past the cloud of emotion to actually execute on things? | 看到过去 情感的云 实际执行的东西? |
| 140 | Because I think what we were speaking about earlier, | 因为我想我们刚才说的 |
| 141 | this challenge that young people have today, everyone has today, | 年轻人今天面对的这个挑战,每个人今天都面临着, |
| 142 | just so much information, so much cloud of emotion, so many feelings, | 这么多的信息 太多的情感 太多的感情 |
| 143 | so much childhood baggage that you're bringing. | 你带了很多童年的行李 |
| 144 | How have you always cut through that and execute on that? | 你怎么老是把那个切开 然后用它来执行的? |
| 145 | You know, what I try to do is just try to be still | 你知道,我试图做的是 只是尝试保持静止 |
| 146 | and understand that things come and go, emotions come and go. | 并理解事情的来去, 情绪的来去。 |
| 147 | The important thing is to accept them all, to embrace them all. | 重要的是接受他们所有人,接受他们所有人。 |
| 148 | And then you can choose to do with them what you want | 然后你可以选择做你想做的 |
| 149 | versus being controlled by emotion. | 而不是被情绪控制 |
| 150 | A lot of times I've seen players, even myself when I was younger, | 很多时候我见过球员, 甚至我年轻的时候, |
| 151 | being consumed by a particular fear | 被恐惧吞噬 |
| 152 | and to the point where you're saying, | 至于你说的 |
| 153 | okay, no, it's not good to feel fear. | 好吧,不,这是不好的感受恐惧。 |
| 154 | I shouldn't be nervous in a situation like that. | 我不应该紧张 在这样的情况。 |
| 155 | And it does nothing but grow versus stepping back and saying, | 它只会成长 而不是退缩 说 |
| 156 | yeah, I am nervous about the situation. | 是的,我很紧张的情况。 |
| 157 | Yeah, I am fearful about the situation. | 是啊,我担心的情况。 |
| 158 | Well, what am I afraid of? | 那么,我有什么害怕吗? |
| 159 | And then you kind of unpack it. | 然后你就把它拆开 |
| 160 | And then it gives you the ability to look at it for really what it is, | 然后它让你有能力看它 真正的它是什么, |
| 161 | which is nothing more than your imagination running its course. | 这只不过是你的想象力 |
| 162 | Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I love that. | 当然 是啊,我喜欢。 |
| 163 | Because what you're saying is that when you're dealing with something, | 因为你的意思是 当你面对某些事情时 |
| 164 | it's almost like, how can I get to the root of it? | 这几乎就像, 我如何得到它的根? |
| 165 | Because sometimes what we're dealing with, | 因为有时候我们面对的是 |
| 166 | like you're saying, it's an imagination, an illusion. | 就像你说的,这是一个想象,一个幻觉。 |
| 167 | It's not really a thing. | 这不是真的 |
| 168 | You think about game-winning shots or game-winning free throws. | 想想游戏赢的镜头 或者游戏赢的免费投球 |
| 169 | And people go to the free throw line and they're nervous about it. | 人们去自由投球线,他们对此很紧张. |
| 170 | Well, what are you really nervous about? | 好吧,你到底紧张什么? |
| 171 | If you unpack that, okay, you're nervous that you're going to miss the shot. | 如果你打包,好吧,你紧张 你会错过镜头。 |
| 172 | So you miss the shot, then what happens? | 你错过了镜头,然后会发生什么? |
| 173 | People are going to be embarrassed. | 人们会很尴尬的 |
| 174 | You're going to be embarrassed because thousands of people, | 你会很尴尬的 因为成千上万的人 |
| 175 | millions of people see you miss the shot. | 数百万人看到你错过机会了 |
| 176 | All right, and then what? | 好吧,然后怎样? |
| 177 | People are going to talk bad about you. | 人们会谈论你的坏话。 |
| 178 | Okay, right. | 好吧,没错。 |
| 179 | And so you're looking at it and go, are those things even important? | 所以,你看着它走, 那些东西甚至重要吗? |
| 180 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 181 | If that is my fear, like what is you worried about letting your teammates down? | 如果那是我的恐惧,你担心什么 让你的队友失望? |
| 182 | Okay, have you let them down before? | 你以前让他们失望了吗? |
| 183 | Oh, I'm sure. | 哦,我敢肯定。 我敢肯定。 |
| 184 | And practice and things of that nature, right? | 练习和那种性质的东西,对不对? |
| 185 | They're still there. | 他们还在那里。 |
| 186 | And so when you're able to unpack it, | 所以,当你能够解开它, |
| 187 | you kind of look at it for what it is, which is really nothing. | 你看它是什么, 这真的没什么。 |
| 188 | Yeah, I love that. | 是啊,我喜欢。 |
| 189 | Breaking it down. | 击破之. |
| 190 | I think that's so important. | 我觉得这很重要 |
| 191 | I think everyone who's listening or watching right now, | 我想现在所有在听或看的人 |
| 192 | next time you're facing a fear, | 下次你面临恐惧时 |
| 193 | next time you're going against something, do that. | 下次你反对什么,就这么做 |
| 194 | Like literally unpack it. | 就像从字面上拆开一样 |
| 195 | Don't just settle for your first answer because the first answer is really the right one. | 不要只满足于你的第一个答案 因为第一个答案是真正正确的。 |
| 196 | Don't hide from it. | 不避其过. |
| 197 | You know, you got to be able to look at it and, you know, and deal with it head on. | 你知道,你必须能够 看着它,你知道, 并处理它的头。 |
| 198 | Yeah, I love that, man. | 是的,我喜欢,伙计。 |
| 199 | And you talk about that because you talk about, you know, | 你谈论这个是因为你谈论,你知道, |
| 200 | when you talk about missing five throws and you talk about getting over yourself. | 当你谈论 少了5个掷球, 你谈论 忘记自己。 |
| 201 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 202 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 203 | Like getting over yourself. | 就像忘记了自己 |
| 204 | How did you get that mentality of just being like, I need to get over this. | 你怎么会有那种心态的,我需要克服这一切 |
| 205 | Like I need to get over myself. | 就像我需要克服自己一样 |
| 206 | You know, trial and error. | 你知道,试验和错误。 |
| 207 | You grow up and you make game winning shots and it's awesome. | 你长大了,你做了游戏 赢得镜头,这是真棒。 |
| 208 | You come back the next day and miss a game winning shot and it's misery. | 你第二天回来,错过了一场胜利的比赛,这是痛苦。 |
| 209 | And then the next day comes and you're back playing again. | 第二天你又回来了 |
| 210 | You understand that life has this cyclical nature where it's, | 你知道生活有这种周期性 它在哪里, |
| 211 | you know, what you do on Monday, it's fantastic. | 你知道,你周一做什么, 这是美妙的。 |
| 212 | But then Tuesday is a bad day. | 但是,星期二是一个糟糕的一天。 |
| 213 | But guess what? | 但你知道吗? |
| 214 | There's Wednesday. | 有礼拜三. |
| 215 | So are we just supposed to live our lives like this the whole time? | 所以我们应该一直这样生活吗? |
| 216 | You know, versus just staying like this and understanding | 要知道,与保持这样和理解 |
| 217 | that it's really just a journey of evolution every day. | 每天都是进化的旅程 |
| 218 | It's just constant improvement, constant curiosity, | 只是不断的改进 不断的好奇 |
| 219 | constantly getting better. | 越来越好。 |
| 220 | The results don't really matter. | 结果并不重要。 |
| 221 | It's the figuring out that matters. | 这才是关键 |
| 222 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 223 | And we all get obsessed about the results. | 我们都对结果着迷。 |
| 224 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 225 | Like we get obsessed about like the output. | 就像我们迷恋到输出一样 |
| 226 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 227 | Not the input of not figuring it out and not like changing things. | 而不是不找出答案 不喜欢改变事物 |
| 228 | What you said, trial and error, like the experimenting. | 你说的,试验和错误, 就像实验。 |
| 229 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 230 | We forget to do that. | 我们忘了这样做。 |
| 231 | It's unfortunate, man. | 这是不幸的,男人。 |
| 232 | Like I've seen a lot of players, especially now, you know, | 就像我见过很多球员, 尤其是现在,你知道, |
| 233 | in youth basketball dealing with that. | 在青年篮球 处理这个。 |
| 234 | You have players that are like bigger and faster and stronger. | 你有像更大的,更快和强大的球员。 |
| 235 | And, you know, their coaches are just coaching them for results. | 而且,你知道,他们的教练 只是指导他们的结果。 |
| 236 | You know, we're just going to use your size | 你知道,我们只是要用你的尺寸 |
| 237 | because you're bigger than every other 12-year-old out there | 因为你比其他12岁的孩子都大 |
| 238 | to dominate today. | 以今天为主 |
| 239 | But they're not growing, right? | 但他们没有成长,对不对? |
| 240 | So they're just based on that result. | 因此,他们只是基于这个结果。 |
| 241 | But they're not focused on growing this young child | 但他们不专注于抚养这个孩子 |
| 242 | into becoming a better athlete. | 成为更好的运动员。 |
| 243 | And through that, teaching them how to become a more well-rounded person. | 通过这个,教他们如何成为一个更圆润的人。 |
| 244 | And we're missing that. | 我们错过了 |
| 245 | Yeah. See what you've said there. | 对 见汝所说法. |
| 246 | I want to ask you this, and I'm not saying because I, you know, | 我想问你,我不是说 因为我,你知道, |
| 247 | like you know yourself best and you know how you've got there. | 就像你最了解你自己 也知道你是如何到达那里的 |
| 248 | So I'm asking it from a place of humility, of learning. | 所以我从谦卑,学习的地方来要求它. |
| 249 | When I look at you, I'm like, you know, your superpower | 当我看着你,我就像,你知道,你的超能力 |
| 250 | isn't just your work ethic. | 不只是你的职业道德 |
| 251 | Your superpower isn't just like figuring things out. | 你的超能力并不只是想找出问题 |
| 252 | Your superpower is like you think strategically. | 你的超能力就像你的战略思想 |
| 253 | Like that's a very strategic thought of saying | 就像一个非常有战略眼光的想法说 |
| 254 | this person could be this in the future | 这个人将来可能就是他 |
| 255 | if they were developed as a whole individual. | 如果它们是作为个人开发的。 |
| 256 | Right. | 对 |
| 257 | Rather than just like let's use them for the short term. | 而不是仅仅像让我们使用它们 短期。 |
| 258 | Right. | 对 |
| 259 | Where did you develop that from? | 你从哪里发展出来的? |
| 260 | That ability to see beyond, to think deeper, to reflect deeper. | 这种能见度越远,能更深入地思考,能更深入地反映. |
| 261 | Where did that come from? | 从哪里来的? |
| 262 | Well, I had to do that because, you know, I grew up growing up in Italy. | 我必须这么做 因为我在意大利长大 |
| 263 | When I first moved over there was, you know, I didn't speak Italian. | 当我刚搬到那里的时候, 你知道,我没有说意大利语。 |
| 264 | I didn't have any friends. | 我没有朋友 |
| 265 | You know, I had the game of basketball and through sport and playing soccer, | 你知道,我有篮球比赛 通过运动和踢足球, |
| 266 | I was able to make friends and build connections. | 我交了朋友,建立了联系 |
| 267 | But it was a lot of time spent alone. | 但却是独自度过了很多时间. |
| 268 | And when I came back to the States, I wasn't the most athletic kid. | 当我回到美国时 我不是最运动的孩子 |
| 269 | You know, I was really scrawny, like really, really skinny | 你知道,我真的很瘦, 像真的,真的很瘦 |
| 270 | and had like major knee issues because I was growing. | 膝盖有问题,因为我长大了 |
| 271 | So I was the dorky kid with high socks and big old knee pads. | 所以我就是那个有高袜子和大膝盖的蠢孩子 |
| 272 | It's fashionable now. | 现在很时髦 |
| 273 | It wasn't then, it wasn't then. | 当时不是,当时也不是. |
| 274 | And so I had to look long term because in the here and now, | 所以我不得不长相看 因为在这里,现在, |
| 275 | I couldn't compete with these kids. | 我无法与这些孩子竞争。 |
| 276 | I mean, there's kids that were like 12 years old with beards. | 我的意思是,有些孩子 像12岁有胡子。 |
| 277 | Like I can't, I can't. | 譬如我无能无能. |
| 278 | What am I supposed to do with that? | 我该怎么办? |
| 279 | Like they're doing windmills and dunking backwards | 好像在做风车和倒着跳 |
| 280 | and I'm happy to like tap the backboard. | 我很高兴喜欢拍后板。 |
| 281 | I had to look at it from a long term | 我不得不从长计议 |
| 282 | because I wasn't going to give up on the game. | 因为我不会放弃比赛的 |
| 283 | So I had to say, okay, this year, I'm going to get better at that. | 所以我不得不说,好吧, 今年,我会得到更好的。 |
| 284 | Next year, this. | 明年,这个。 |
| 285 | And then so forth and so on. | 后亦复如是. |
| 286 | And then patiently, I was able to catch them. | 我耐心地抓住了他们 |
| 287 | I love hearing that because I think so many of us kind of, | 我喜欢听,因为我觉得我们这么多人, |
| 288 | you believe like when you see people like yourself, | 你相信,就像你看到像你这样的人, |
| 289 | it's like it's so easy as an excuse to ourselves to just be, | 这就像它是如此容易 作为我们的借口 只是, |
| 290 | oh, you're destined for it, right? | 哦,你注定它,对不对? |
| 291 | You were made for it. | 你是为它而生的。 |
| 292 | Kind of like that kind of, you know, like, oh, yes. | 有点像那种,你知道, 像,哦,是的。 |
| 293 | You know, but when you talk about saying, | 你知道,但当你谈论说, |
| 294 | oh, actually, when I started, I didn't have the physicality | 哦,其实,当我开始, 我没有物理 |
| 295 | that meant that I was going to make it. | 这意味着我要去做到这一点。 |
| 296 | Like you have to figure it out and I love it. | 就像你必须想出办法 我喜欢那样 |
| 297 | Figure it out, man. | 想办法,伙计。 |
| 298 | It's just piece by piece and it's the consistency of the work, | 它只是片段 和工作的一致性, |
| 299 | which I feel like a lot of parents are missing today | 我觉得今天有很多父母失踪了 |
| 300 | because we're not teaching that to our kids. | 因为我们不教我们的孩子。 |
| 301 | We tend to say like kids don't want to do the work, | 我们常说孩子不想做 |
| 302 | but in reality, it's when we're failing them | 但实际上,这是当我们辜负他们 |
| 303 | because we're not leading them the right way and teaching them, | 因为我们没有指引他们正确的方式 并教他们, |
| 304 | you know, how to fish, you know what I mean? | 你知道,如何捕鱼,你知道我的意思吗? |
| 305 | And so like the consistency of work, Monday, get better. | 就像工作的一致性,星期一,要好起来。 |
| 306 | Tuesday, get better. | 星期二,好起来。 |
| 307 | Wednesday, get better, right? | 星期三,好起来,对不对? |
| 308 | And you do that over a period of time, you know, | 你做了一段时间,你知道, |
| 309 | not like one month or two months. | 不像一个月或两个月。 |
| 310 | I mean, it's three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten years. | 我的意思是,这是三,四,五,六,七,八,九,十年。 |
| 311 | And then, you know, you can get to where you want to go. | 然后,你知道,你可以 得到你想去的地方。 |
| 312 | Yeah, I think it was Bill Gates who was talking about that. | 是的,我想是比尔盖茨说的 |
| 313 | He talks about how like we overestimate what we can do in one year | 他谈论我们如何高估 我们一年能做什么 |
| 314 | and underestimate what we can do in ten years. | 并低估我们在十年内所能做的事情。 |
| 315 | No doubt. | 毫无疑问 |
| 316 | Right? It's like that, you know, like I think everyone thinks about it, | 对吧? 就像大家想的那样 |
| 317 | what can I do right now? | 我现在能做什么? |
| 318 | Like, how can I make it happen? | 喜欢,我怎么能让它发生? |
| 319 | But like with you, I think people always ask you also like, | 但是,像你一样,我想人们总是问 你同样喜欢, |
| 320 | how do you deal with losing or failure? | 输或失败怎么办? |
| 321 | What I'm intrigued by is how someone like you deals with winning | 我感兴趣的是 你这样的人怎么赢 |
| 322 | because you've won again and again. | 因为你一次又一次地赢了 |
| 323 | And like I was saying earlier, you know, you want, | 就像我刚才说的,你知道,你想, |
| 324 | obviously we know you've won in basketball big as an athlete, | 显然我们知道你在篮球大奖赛中获胜 |
| 325 | but you're winning now even in the work you're doing here | 但你现在赢了 即使你在这里的工作 |
| 326 | as a storyteller, as a producer, right? | 作为讲故事的, 作为制作人,对不对? |
| 327 | It's amazing to see so many incredible awards coming through. | 看到这么多不可思议的奖项来袭,真是令人惊奇. |
| 328 | How have you dealt with winning? | 你怎么处理赢的? |
| 329 | Like when you win, what goes through your mind | 碞钩墓 稱或暗 |
| 330 | to help you to continue? | 帮助你继续? |
| 331 | Well, it's a little different. | 嗯,这是有点不同。 |
| 332 | In basketball, it was different because I expected to win. | 在篮球方面,它不同是因为我预期会赢. |
| 333 | I expected us to win championships. | 我期待我们赢得冠军。 |
| 334 | I expected us to win five, quite honestly. | 我本期望我们能赢五个, 相当诚实。 |
| 335 | I expected us to win eight. | 我期待我们赢得8。 |
| 336 | And so when you have that vision in sports, it's a direct competition. | 所以,当你在体育方面有这种想法时, 它就是一个直接的竞争。 |
| 337 | Like I know how hard they're working. | 好像我知道他们有多辛苦 |
| 338 | I know how hard we're working. | 我知道我们有多努力 |
| 339 | I know what their strategy is. | 我知道他们的策略 |
| 340 | I know what ours is, you know? | 我知道我们的是什么 |
| 341 | So it's a little different. | 故略别. |
| 342 | So when we win in the NBA, it was like, yeah, we expected to do that. | 所以当我们在NBA中获胜的时候, 它就像,是的,我们期望这样做。 |
| 343 | But now we're going to come back and we're going to do it again. | 但今复来复作是言. |
| 344 | And so it's that constant like, all right, you're churning. | 所以,这是一个常数 喜欢,所有的权利,你发热。 |
| 345 | You win one championship, I'm back in the gym the next day, | 你赢了一个冠军 我第二天又回到健身房了 |
| 346 | working, getting ready for the next one. | 准备下一场比赛 |
| 347 | Now it's different because it's not about the awards. | 现在之所以不同是因为与奖项无关. |
| 348 | You just wind up trying to create something that's going to inspire someone | 你只是想创造一些能激励别人的东西 |
| 349 | that hopefully, through that inspiration, they can inspire somebody else. | 希望,通过这种灵感, 他们可以激励别人。 |
| 350 | And what I've come to learn as my career went on | 以及随着事业的发展,我学到的东西 |
| 351 | is that's more significant than any championship. | 这比任何冠军都重要 |
| 352 | It's how do you connect with somebody that can then connect with another? | 这是你如何与一个可以和另一个人联系的? |
| 353 | And then whether the awards come or not, that's for the Academy of the Word body to decide. | 不论奖项是否来得及,那是由词体学院决定的. |
| 354 | But for us, it's just to try to create things. | 但对我们来说,它只是试图创造东西。 |
| 355 | Yeah, well, I guess now that's what shifted that | 是啊,现在我想这就是改变 |
| 356 | now the intention isn't even expecting to win. | 现在的意向甚至没有 期待赢得。 |
| 357 | It's expecting to change lives, right? | 它期望改变生活,对不对? |
| 358 | Like your content is really about making a difference | 就像你的内容 真正是为了改变 |
| 359 | and an impact on young people's lives, which I think is like | 和对年轻人生活的影响, 我认为这就像 |
| 360 | the biggest way of winning. | 最大的赢法 |
| 361 | I think so. | 我想是这样。 |
| 362 | I mean, if you're looking at 62% of young children are dropping out of sports. | 我的意思是,如果你看62%的幼儿 退出运动。 |
| 363 | 62% and they cite the fact that it's not fun anymore. | 62%,他们引用的事实 它不再有趣了。 |
| 364 | Well, what does that tell them? | 那告诉他们什么了? |
| 365 | That's telling us as grownups are getting in the way. | 这告诉我们,因为成年人 得到了阻碍。 |
| 366 | Get out the way. | 让开 |
| 367 | Let these kids be imaginative, which like in our stories, | 让这些孩子富有想象力 就像我们的故事 |
| 368 | it's important that yeah, there's a fantasy nature to it. | 重要的是,是的,有 幻想的性质。 |
| 369 | But it's rooted in reality. | 但根植于现实. |
| 370 | When we have fire-breathing winged horses and things of that nature, | 当我们有燃烧火的翅膀 马和这种性质的东西, |
| 371 | those are actual drills that are taking place. | 这些都是实际进行的演习。 |
| 372 | We don't have fire-breathing winged horses actually performing that, | 我们没有喷火的翼马 真正地做到这一点, |
| 373 | but we do have ball machines that are spitting balls at tennis players, right? | 但我们确实有球机 对网球运动员吐球,对不对? |
| 374 | And so all of our stories are all anchored in an element of truth | 所以,我们所有的故事 都扎根于真理的元素 |
| 375 | so that children feel like when they are doing these drills with these ball machines, | 让孩子们觉得他们用这些球机做这些钻孔的时候 |
| 376 | they can envision maybe it's a fire-breathing winged horse. | 他们可以想象,也许它是一匹 喷火的翼马。 |
| 377 | Yeah, to keep them excited. | 是啊,让他们兴奋。 |
| 378 | Yeah, they can envision Gus throwing fireballs at them. | 是啊,他们可以想象 古斯向他们扔火球 |
| 379 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 380 | And even the plays, like in the wizard art series, | 连剧本,就像巫师艺术系列, |
| 381 | when the basket is opening up and shrinking, | 当篮子打开并缩水的时候, |
| 382 | these are things that we experience as athletes. | 这些都是我们作为运动员所经历的事情。 |
| 383 | Some days, I feel like I can't make a shot, man, | 有些时候,我觉得我无法拍摄,伙计, |
| 384 | and the basket feels like the size of a keyhole. | 和篮子感觉 像一个键孔的大小。 |
| 385 | In other days, it looks like a swimming pool. | 在其他的日子,它看起来像一个游泳池。 |
| 386 | That's magic. | 这是魔法。 |
| 387 | And so we root our magic in reality so that when kids experience these things, | 所以我们把魔法植根于现实中 当孩子们体验这些东西时 |
| 388 | particularly the failure side of it, | 特别是失败的一方, |
| 389 | they can connect it to one of our stories and say, | 他们可以把它和我们的故事联系起来 说 |
| 390 | okay, I've seen this before. | 好吧,我以前见过这个。 |
| 391 | I know how to deal with this. | 我知道怎么处理这件事 |
| 392 | Yeah, that's beautiful, man. | 是啊,这是美丽的,男人。 |
| 393 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 394 | That analogy of feeling the basket bigger or smaller | 感觉篮子大小的类比 |
| 395 | and being able to vision that, I can vision it right now. | 并能够预见到这一点, 我可以预见它现在。 |
| 396 | And you're like, yeah, you're so right. | 你就像,是的,你是如此正确。 |
| 397 | Some days it looks huge. | 有些时候看起来很大 |
| 398 | And I love that. | 我喜欢这样 |
| 399 | That's such a great way of thinking about it. | 如此妙妙妙观. |
| 400 | And I guess so much of this is from your real life vision. | 我猜这很多都是你现实生活中的想象 |
| 401 | Oh, yeah. | 对 |
| 402 | This is like some days. | 这就像一些日子。 |
| 403 | I've experienced it. | 我经历过 |
| 404 | Yeah, but I love that because it's also giving them the permission to say, | 是的,但我喜欢,因为它也 让他们说, |
| 405 | be imaginative about this, right? | 要有想象力,对吧? |
| 406 | Yes. | 对 |
| 407 | And that obviously gives so much. | 这显然给了这么多。 |
| 408 | I think when we imagine it changes the reality of, | 我认为当我们想象它改变现实时, |
| 409 | oh, I'm just sitting out here taking shots. | 哦,我只是坐在这里拍摄。 |
| 410 | Yes. | 对 |
| 411 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 412 | Which can get boring and tiring. | 这会变得无聊和累。 |
| 413 | Comes mechanical. | 机械的 |
| 414 | Mechanical. | 机械学. |
| 415 | That's what I would, yeah. | 是的,我会的。 |
| 416 | Our job is to try to inspire the creativity inside of our children | 我们的工作就是激励孩子们的创造力 |
| 417 | so that they can think through how to problem solve situations. | 让他们思考如何解决问题 |
| 418 | So when I coach my daughter's team, it's not about giving them answers. | 所以当我教练我女儿的球队时, 这不是给他们答案。 |
| 419 | It's about asking them questions and getting them to process things. | 就是要问他们问题,让他们处理事情. |
| 420 | When the game is being played, I'm not sitting there giving them answers | 当游戏被玩,我不坐在那里给他们答案 |
| 421 | or barking out things on a sideline. | 或叫出的东西在侧线。 |
| 422 | I sit down and I'm quiet. | 我坐而无声. |
| 423 | My assistant coach sits there and she's quiet. | 我的助理教练坐在那里 她很安静 |
| 424 | And the kids figure things out for themselves. | 孩子们自己想办法 |
| 425 | Or they don't. | 或者他们不会 |
| 426 | And then they come back and there's always questions. | 然后他们回来 总是有问题。 |
| 427 | And then you kind of ask them more questions and you help them figure it out. | 然后你会问他们更多的问题 并帮助他们找出答案。 |
| 428 | But then you see their level of excitement. | 但是,你看到他们的兴奋程度。 |
| 429 | The practice every day increase because it's a process that they are owning. | 日常的练习会增加,因为它是一个他们拥有的过程. |
| 430 | They're not coming to get orders barked at them every day. | 他们不会每天都来听命令的 |
| 431 | They're coming for kind of their personal quest to get better. | 他们来是为了寻求好起来 |
| 432 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 433 | And how do your daughters feel about you coaching? | 你女儿对你教练的感觉如何? |
| 434 | I guess that style makes them feel comfortable. | 我想这种风格让他们觉得舒服 |
| 435 | But how have you been able to manage that with the pressure of you being there? | 但是,你是如何 管理这一点 与你的压力在那里? |
| 436 | No, it's no pressure because it's their process to own. | 不,这不是压力 因为这是他们拥有的过程。 |
| 437 | I have knowledge information that I've gained through playing. | 我有通过游戏获得的知识信息。 |
| 438 | So like the little details of things I can teach at a high level. | 所以,就像一些小细节 我可以在高级教学。 |
| 439 | But ultimately, it's them. | 但归根结底是他们 |
| 440 | Yeah, you seem very still and detached about it. | 是啊,你看起来很 静和疏远它。 |
| 441 | Yeah, I mean, the kids love playing basketball. | 是啊,我的意思是,孩子们喜欢打篮球。 |
| 442 | So that's the anchor of it all. | 这就是这一切的主线。 |
| 443 | They come and they play and they learn and they have fun and they compete. | 他们来玩,他们学习, 他们有乐趣,他们竞争。 |
| 444 | They challenge themselves and one another and they just get better every day. | 他们互相挑战 他们每天都会好起来 |
| 445 | Yeah, how have you seen that with obviously with Legacy and The Queen, you chose tennis. | 是啊,你是怎么看到这一点 显然与遗产和女王, 你选择网球。 |
| 446 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 447 | Like what was the choice of sports about? | 比如体育的选择是什么? |
| 448 | I'm intrigued by that. | 我很感兴趣 |
| 449 | Why tennis? | 为什么打网球? |
| 450 | Yeah, so like the first novel we did was the Wiz and R series. | 是啊,所以像第一部小说 我们做的是Wiz和R系列。 |
| 451 | It was important for that to be basketball because I wanted the first story to be one | 篮球很重要 因为我希望第一个故事是 |
| 452 | of empathy and compassion. | 同情心和同情心。 |
| 453 | And in team sports, if you don't have that, you can't win. | 而在球队运动中,如果你没有这个,你就不能赢. |
| 454 | And so it was important to tell the tale of a basketball team | 所以说篮球队的故事很重要 |
| 455 | dealing with their own personal fears and have those fears and insecurities | 面对他们个人的恐惧 拥有这些恐惧和不安全 |
| 456 | lead to empathy and compassion for others. | 导致对他人的同情和同情。 |
| 457 | With the second story, I wanted to look more internal, | 第二个故事,我想看看更多的内部, |
| 458 | individually, and look at how do you deal with the inner challenges, | 看看你如何应对内在挑战 |
| 459 | the kind of the self-negotiation that takes place inside of our own heads. | 那种自我谈判 发生在我们自己的头脑。 |
| 460 | And there was no sport better than that than tennis. | 没有比网球更好的运动了。 |
| 461 | There's golf. | 有高尔夫球。 |
| 462 | But tennis, you have more movement, which to me symbolizes life in general, | 但网球,你有更多的动作, 这对我来说象征着一般的生命, |
| 463 | because life is there's a lot going on, right? | 因为生活有很多事情发生 对吧? |
| 464 | There's the elements in tennis that you have to deal with as you deal with in golf, | 在打高尔夫时 网球中有一些你必须面对的因素 |
| 465 | maybe not to the same extent, but they're still there. | 也许不是一样,但他们仍然在那里。 |
| 466 | And then there's the confrontation with the person across the net from you. | 然后是和你对着网的人的对抗 |
| 467 | As well as the strengths and weaknesses in your own movements | 以及你们自己运动的优缺点 |
| 468 | and how you feel in your own body. | 和你身体里的感觉 |
| 469 | And because of that, it was important for this story to be a tennis story. | 因此,这个故事成为网球故事很重要. |
| 470 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 471 | That makes complete sense. | 这是完全合理的。 |
| 472 | And give me an example of that self-negotiation. | 举个例子来说明这种自我谈判。 |
| 473 | I love that word. | 我喜欢这个词。 |
| 474 | And I get that. | 我知道这一点。 |
| 475 | Can you expand on that a bit? | 你能再做点扩展吗? |
| 476 | Yeah, like, you know, you're out running on a track, working out, | 是啊,就像,你知道, 你跑在赛道上,工作出来, |
| 477 | and you start talking to yourself saying, man, my knee is really sore right now. | 你开始自言自语 说,伙计,我的膝盖现在真的很疼。 |
| 478 | Maybe I'm maybe I'm doing too much. | 也许我做了太多。 |
| 479 | Maybe I need to back off. | 也许我需要退后。 |
| 480 | You know, man, my lungs are burning. | 你知道,伙计,我的肺在燃烧。 |
| 481 | Maybe I can just slow down here. | 也许我可以在这里慢下来。 |
| 482 | I'll do like an extra two sets tomorrow. | 我明天会多买两套 |
| 483 | You know, it'll be okay. | 你知道,会没事的。 |
| 484 | That sort of stuff. | 那种东西。 |
| 485 | That stuff's dangerous. | 那东西很危险 |
| 486 | And that's when you just got to say, you know what? | 这就是你刚刚说,你知道吗? |
| 487 | I'm not negotiating with myself. | 我没有和自己谈判 |
| 488 | The deal was already made. | 交易已经达成 |
| 489 | The deal was made when I set out at the beginning of the summer and said, | 这笔交易是夏初我出发说 |
| 490 | this is the training plan I'm doing. | 这就是我的训练计划 |
| 491 | I signed that contract with myself. | 我和我自己签了合同 |
| 492 | I'm doing it. | 我这样做。 |
| 493 | You know, throughout that process, you'll start talking to yourself like, | 你知道,在整个过程中, 你会开始说话自己喜欢, |
| 494 | man, I got to I think I need to maybe if we nope. | 伙计,我得去,我想我需要 也许如果我们没有。 |
| 495 | No, this is non-negotiable. | 不,这是不可谈判的。 |
| 496 | Yeah, I love that. | 是啊,我喜欢。 |
| 497 | And for you, empathy and compassion were things that you'd been through. | 而对于你来说,同情心和同情心是 你经历过的事情。 |
| 498 | Like that was that was personally inspired work. | 碞钩ê琌и |
| 499 | When did it come to your awareness that empathy was something missing for you | 你什么时候意识到 同情心对你来说是缺失的 |
| 500 | and that you wanted to develop it? | 你想开发它? |
| 501 | I had a teammate that spoke to me and said, hey, cold. | 我有一个队友 和我说话,说,嘿,冷。 |
| 502 | You know, I just want to feel like as a teammate, you need me. | 你知道,我只是想 感觉作为一个队友, 你需要我。 |
| 503 | I was like, well, duh, I can't I can't, you know, like that was my immediate reaction. | 我当时想,嗯,我不能,你知道的, 就像这是我立即的反应。 |
| 504 | Like, dude, yeah, of course. | 就像,伙计,是的,当然。 |
| 505 | But I had to kind of think about really what he was saying and where that was coming from | 但我得想一想他到底在说什么 以及他从哪里来 |
| 506 | for him and his story and his journey and what that meant to him. | 对于他,他的故事,他的旅程 以及那对他的意义。 |
| 507 | And that opened my eyes to there's a bigger game being played. | 这让我看到了一个更大的游戏。 |
| 508 | It's not just basketball, but it's the emotions of each individual | 不只是篮球,而是每个人的情感 |
| 509 | and the backstory that they're carrying with them, the baggage that they're carrying with them. | 和他们携带的背书 和他们携带的行李 |
| 510 | And if I really want to be a champion and be a great teammate, | 如果我真的想成为冠军 成为伟大的队友 |
| 511 | I have to understand what those mean to help them become better. | 我必须明白这些意味着什么 帮助他们变得更好。 |
| 512 | And in turn, help me. | 反过来 帮我 |
| 513 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 514 | And do you think this content is going to help all the content you're creating here at Granity? | 你认为这些内容能帮助 你在Granity创造的所有内容吗? |
| 515 | Is that for you to help build better bonds between parents and kids? | 这是要你帮助父母和孩子建立更好的纽带吗? |
| 516 | Like, are you hoping that the podcast, for example, like kids are going to listen to | 像,你希望播客,比如, 像孩子会听 |
| 517 | it on the way to school or on the way back? | 上学还是回去? |
| 518 | Or like, how are you imagining people consuming the work? | 或者,你是如何想象 人们消耗的工作? |
| 519 | Yeah, I mean, I imagine it in different ways, you know? | 是啊,我的意思是,我想象 它以不同的方式,你知道吗? |
| 520 | But like, ultimately, people always figure out a way to do it that's comfortable for them. | 但最终,人们总想出一个 对他们来说很舒服的方法。 |
| 521 | But like, you know, which is why in everything that we do, | 但就像,你知道, 这就是为什么在我们所做的一切, |
| 522 | we try to create the highest quality of product, right? | 我们尝试创造出最高质量的产品,对不对? |
| 523 | Like, you know, people will sit down and tell me, they'll say, okay, well, audiobooks, | 像,你知道,人们会坐下 告诉我, 他们会说,好吧,好了,录音簿, |
| 524 | very small percentage of people listen to audiobooks. | 很少人会听录音 |
| 525 | We don't really have to invest too much in doing audiobooks. | 我们真的不需要投入太多 做录音簿。 |
| 526 | And what? | 还有呢? |
| 527 | Excuse me? | 你说什么? |
| 528 | No, because that one person just listens to audiobooks. | 不,因为那人只是听 音频书。 |
| 529 | That one family enjoys audiobooks. | 一个家庭喜欢听书 |
| 530 | They have to get the best experience that I could possibly give them. | 他们必须获得我可能给他们的最佳经验。 |
| 531 | So that means using a London orchestra. | 这意味着使用伦敦管弦乐团。 |
| 532 | That means doing full symphonies. | 即是作满音声. |
| 533 | That means having Felicia Rashad read the stories. | 这意味着让费莉西亚·拉沙德阅读故事. |
| 534 | Like, it means everything. | 就像,它意味着一切。 |
| 535 | The books themselves. | 书本身. |
| 536 | I got this all the time. | 我得到了这一切的时间。 |
| 537 | There's no money in making books, man. | 没有钱做书,男人。 |
| 538 | Nobody makes money in books. | 没有人在书里赚钱。 |
| 539 | I'm sorry, you want to make a book with using what material? | 对不起,你想用什么材料做一本书? |
| 540 | I'm like, yeah, because children matter. | 是的,因为孩子很重要 |
| 541 | So like, I don't know how they're going to... | 所以,我不知道他们要怎么... |
| 542 | I imagine how they're going to be consuming content. | 我想他们会如何消耗 内容。 |
| 543 | But ultimately, it's my responsibility and our responsibility as a studio | 但归根结底,这是我的责任和作为工作室的责任 |
| 544 | to make every single thing that we put out the highest quality possible. | 以尽可能高的质量完成我们所做的一切 |
| 545 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 546 | No, I can imagine parents listening to it on the way to school. | 不,我可以想象父母 在上学的路上听它。 |
| 547 | I can imagine listening on the way back or on the way to practice. | 我可以想象在回来的路上或在练习的路上听到. |
| 548 | Things like that. | 诸如来之事. |
| 549 | I think it's cool. | 我觉得这很酷。 |
| 550 | Well, the punies for sure. | 嗯,小熊当然。 |
| 551 | Like the punies, I was like, you know, when I first made the punies, | 就像小熊一样 我第一次做小熊时 |
| 552 | we're going to release it in the summer. | 我们要在夏天发布它。 |
| 553 | I think we released it in August. | 我想我们是在八月公布的 |
| 554 | And I think it was August around the same time. | 我认为是八月左右的时间。 |
| 555 | But in my mind, I was saying, okay, parents are going to listen to this | 但我想,我说,好吧,父母会听这个 |
| 556 | every Saturday morning because I know I'm in the car driving my kids | 每周六早上,因为我知道我在开车送孩子 |
| 557 | to soccer games and like volleyball games and stuff. | 参加足球比赛 喜欢排球比赛之类的 |
| 558 | So parents can listen to this with their kids in the car. | 这样父母就可以和孩子一起在车里听了. |
| 559 | They're driving the sporting events. | 他们正在推动体育赛事。 |
| 560 | That was kind of what I had in my mind. | 这是我心里想的 |
| 561 | And then when it came out, it's like, you know, teachers were using it | 然后,当它出来, 它就像,你知道, 老师在使用它 |
| 562 | more so than anybody in classrooms and doing like classroom reports | 比任何人在教室 和做像课堂报告 |
| 563 | on the punies and all sorts of stuff. | 在小熊和各种东西。 |
| 564 | So, you know, never know. | 所以,你知道,永远不知道。 |
| 565 | It seems like you study life a lot, right? | 看来你经常学习生活 对吧? |
| 566 | Like when you're talking about all of this imagination, | 就像你在谈论这些想象 |
| 567 | which stems from your own work. | 这源于你自己的工作。 |
| 568 | Like, for example, like when you're dealing with empathy and compassion, | 比如说,当你面对同情和同情的时候, |
| 569 | it's reflected in the content. | 它体现在内容。 |
| 570 | When you're going for these visualizations of what could this look like, | 当你要去这些视觉 可能是什么样子, |
| 571 | it goes in the content. | 它的内容。 |
| 572 | You study life a lot. | 你经常学习生活 |
| 573 | What currently are you studying? | 你现在在研究什么? |
| 574 | And what kind of gets your imagination really growing right now? | 是什么让你的想象力 真正成长吗? |
| 575 | Like, what keeps that moving for you? | 喜欢,是什么让你动? |
| 576 | You know, there's a certain element of truth in everything, you know. | 你知道,在一切事物中都有一定的真理元素,你知道的. |
| 577 | And, you know, the creativity generally comes from personal experiences first. | 而且,你知道,创造力一般来自个人的经验。 |
| 578 | And then you kind of look on a broad, kind of on a broader scope of, | 然后,你看着一个宽广, 那种更广泛的范围, |
| 579 | okay, how do you take something extremely personal | 好吧,你如何采取一些非常私人的东西 |
| 580 | and then channel it in a way for masses that understand | 然后把它引向大众 了解 |
| 581 | and get their arms around sort of thing. | 把他们的手臂绕过来 |
| 582 | But it always starts in the element of truth. | 但它总是从真理开始。 |
| 583 | And then you start unpacking that by sitting in thought | 然后,你开始打包 通过坐着思考 |
| 584 | and figuring out like character and, you know, who is this person? | 并且想出像个性, 你知道,这人是谁? |
| 585 | And, you know, who's this family? | 这家人是谁? |
| 586 | And then that's when I start getting in trouble, you know, | 然后我开始惹麻烦,你知道, |
| 587 | because it's like the questions don't end, you know. | 因为问题不会结束 |
| 588 | So I have like books and books and books and books and books and books | 所以我有书,书,书,书 |
| 589 | of backstory because it's not good enough just to say the characters this way. | 因为它不够好 仅仅这样说角色。 |
| 590 | Why are they that way? | 他们为什么那样? |
| 591 | Well, the parents. | 父母们 |
| 592 | Well, where do the parents come from? | 父母从哪里来? |
| 593 | You know, where's the dad come from? | 你知道,爸爸从哪里来的? |
| 594 | Why are they raising a kid this way? | 他们为什么要这样抚养孩子? |
| 595 | And then, you know, what does it have to do with the economy that's around them? | 然后,你知道,这和他们周围的经济有什么关系? |
| 596 | And then just one thing leads to the next. | 然后,只有一件事 导致下一个。 |
| 597 | And then you're just writing all kinds of stuff. | 然后你只是写各种东西。 |
| 598 | It's crazy. | 太疯狂了 |
| 599 | Yeah, that's awesome. | 是啊,这是真棒。 |
| 600 | Because I think so many of us get, you know, in our lives, | 因为我认为我们当中有这么多人... 在生活中... |
| 601 | we get stuck with imagination because you kind of get into that autopilot mode. | 我们被想象力困住了 因为你有点进入自动驾驶模式 |
| 602 | Doing the same thing every day, same routine, | 每天都做同样的事情 同样的例行公事 |
| 603 | same drive to work. | 同样的驱动工作。 |
| 604 | And it's like I feel that what you're sharing is that's easy for anyone to do. | 就像我感觉你分享的东西是 任何人都很容易做到的 |
| 605 | It's not like, oh, because you're Kobe Bryant, | 这不像,哦, 因为你是神户布莱恩特, |
| 606 | you don't feel that everyone gets into that. | 你并不觉得每个人都喜欢这样 |
| 607 | You're able to find these creative outlets. | 你能找到这些创意的渠道 |
| 608 | Yeah, well, you know, like creativity is in everything, you know, | 是啊,嗯,你知道, 就像创造力在一切,你知道, |
| 609 | like even in consistency. | 就像在一致性。 |
| 610 | Like what I found is creativity a lot of time comes from structure. | 就像我发现的创造力一样 很多时间来自结构 |
| 611 | I agree. | и種 |
| 612 | I'm so glad you said that. | 很高兴你这么说 |
| 613 | You have those parameters and the structure. | 你有这些参数和结构。 |
| 614 | Then within that, you can be creative. | 在那范围内,你可以有创造力。 |
| 615 | But like if you don't have the structure, you're just aimlessly doing stuff. | 但是,像你没有结构, 你只是无心做的东西。 |
| 616 | Where are you going? | 你们要去哪? |
| 617 | You know, so like having a clear structure of understanding, | 你知道,所以就像有 一个明确的理解结构, |
| 618 | OK, this morning I'm going to like when I was writing | 好吧,今天早上我会喜欢 当我写 |
| 619 | was an art series and outlining legacy. | 是一个艺术系列 并概述了遗产。 |
| 620 | I come in in the morning, 7 a.m., and I'm there. | 我早上7点进来 我就在那里 |
| 621 | I'm writing back story from 7 to 12, then go pick up my kids. | 我从7点到12点写回故事 然后去接我的孩子 |
| 622 | And I come right back and I'm writing again. | 我马上回来,我又在写了 |
| 623 | So like within that structure, you know, | 就像那个结构里,你知道, |
| 624 | my mind when I go to sleep is already like planning of what the next day is going to be | 我睡觉时的头脑 已经像计划 第二天会是什么 |
| 625 | because I know what it is I have to do. | 因为我知道我该怎么做 |
| 626 | It's that consistency and structure. | 这是一致性和结构。 |
| 627 | Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. | 我完全同意你的观点 |
| 628 | I'm writing my first book right now. | 我现在写我的第一本书。 |
| 629 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 630 | And a lot of people have been asking me like, | 很多人问我, |
| 631 | Jay and I'm like that I have a very scheduled focus on writing. | 杰伊和我一样,我有一个非常安排 专注于写作。 |
| 632 | And they'll be like, well, how do you find inspiration at that time? | 那时你如何找到灵感? |
| 633 | What if you're not inspired at that time? | 如果你当时没有灵感呢? |
| 634 | And I'm like, no, the structure helps spontaneity, right? | 我很喜欢,不,这个结构 帮助自发性,对不对? |
| 635 | It's that consistency that breeds creativity. | 正是这种一致性孕育了创造力. |
| 636 | Well, that's the thing, too. | 这也是问题所在 |
| 637 | It's like people think like you're just kind of just kind of mulling along. | 就好像人们觉得你只是 有点纠缠在一起。 |
| 638 | And all of a sudden, aha, you know, like the show that we have on ESPN now called Detail | 突然间,你知道, 就像我们在ESPN上的节目,现在叫做Detail |
| 639 | basketball sports breakdown show that came to me when I was walking around with my wife shopping | 篮球运动失败的节目 出现在我和妻子购物时 |
| 640 | and I look at a piece of fabric and I'm like, wow, this is really the detail. | 我看着一块布料,我就像,哇,这是真正的细节。 |
| 641 | And this thing is, oh, my detail. | 这件事情,哦,我的细节。 |
| 642 | That's the name of the show. | 即为展名. |
| 643 | And then everything came from there. | 然后一切从那里来. |
| 644 | But I had been thinking about a show like that for like a year, you know? | 但我已经想了一年了 |
| 645 | And I couldn't shake it loose. | 我不能摇动它松。 |
| 646 | I'm like, I got to find a sports show that I'm going to do. | 我得找个运动节目来做 |
| 647 | But it needs to can't just be basketball focused. | 但它不能只是 篮球焦点。 |
| 648 | It has to be broader. | 它必须更加广泛。 |
| 649 | And I want to hear from the best minds in the world. | 而欲闻世间最胜智. |
| 650 | I want to hear from Peyton Manning. | 我想听佩顿曼宁的消息 |
| 651 | I want to hear from what is it? | 我想听听这是什么? |
| 652 | What is it? | 这是什么? |
| 653 | For like a year. | 约一年. |
| 654 | And then all of a sudden, boom, you know? | 然后突然间,砰砰,你知道吗? |
| 655 | And so people think it just comes out of nowhere. | 所以人们觉得它只是从哪里冒出来的。 |
| 656 | You know, you got to like obsess over for a while and then it kind of pops loose. | 你知道,你必须喜欢 迷恋过一段时间 然后它有点松。 |
| 657 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 658 | Yeah, you had to plant the seed well before to see the fruit. | 是啊,你必须种好种子 之前看到水果。 |
| 659 | Yeah, and you got to water it all the time. | 是啊,你总得给它浇水 |
| 660 | Like you got to sit down and watch other shows that are out there. | 就像你坐下来看其他的节目一样 |
| 661 | And like, you know, and then ultimately you just find, you know, | 就像,你知道, 最后你只是发现,你知道, |
| 662 | like when the answer comes to you, it's like, my God, | 就像当答案降临到你身上, 它就像,我的上帝, |
| 663 | I could have thought it out on the first day. | 我本来可以在第一天想到的 |
| 664 | Remember John Williams told me that. | 记得约翰·威廉姆斯告诉我的 |
| 665 | He said he'll sit for like two months to try to figure out what the melody is. | 他说他会坐两个月 试着想出旋律是什么 |
| 666 | And he'll just be playing, he'll be at his piano all day. | 他只会弹钢琴 整天都在弹钢琴 |
| 667 | He'll say the only day he'll take off is Sunday | 他会说他唯一离开的一天是星期日 |
| 668 | because his wife forces him to take Sundays off. | 因为他的妻子强迫他星期天休假 |
| 669 | And he'll just be sitting there writing, writing, writing. | 他会坐在那里写作,写作,写作。 |
| 670 | And then it just comes. | 然后它就来了。 |
| 671 | And he's like, I seriously could have thought of that on the first day. | 而且他喜欢,我是认真的 想到这一点 在第一天。 |
| 672 | Like, why? | 为什么? |
| 673 | It's just so simple. | 很简单 |
| 674 | Yeah, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 675 | And that's what people don't realize as well. | 这也是人们没有意识到的。 |
| 676 | Like when you go out, then you're shopping with your wife and you see the detail | 就像你出去的时候,然后你跟你老婆去买东西,你看细节 |
| 677 | and you're like, okay, that's the show. | 你就像,好吧,这就是节目。 |
| 678 | And then you go back into consistency to create it. | 然后,你回到一致性 创建它。 |
| 679 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 680 | It's like, you know, it wasn't just like, oh, now I thought of it. | 这就像,你知道, 它不只是喜欢, 哦,现在我想起来。 |
| 681 | I'm just going to throw that idea. | 我只是要抛出这个想法。 |
| 682 | Now I'm going back to the drawing board, have the name now, do it around. | 现在我要回到画板, 现在有名字, 做它周围。 |
| 683 | I try to, what I try to do is shoot the idea down | 我试着,我试图做的是击落这个想法 |
| 684 | and figure out everything that's wrong with the idea. | 并找出一切 与想法的错。 |
| 685 | Oh, okay. | 哦,还好。 |
| 686 | Right. | 对 |
| 687 | This show won't work because like detail, for example, | 这个节目不会成功 因为像细节,例如, |
| 688 | like this show won't work because it's not for fans. | 喜欢这个节目不会成功,因为它不适合粉丝. |
| 689 | It's for the 1% athlete. | 是为1%的运动员. |
| 690 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 691 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 692 | Well, will it be successful? | 那会成功吗? |
| 693 | People connect to it. | 人与之连络. |
| 694 | Like, you know, you start unpacking every little thing. | 就像,你知道,你开始打包 每一个小东西。 |
| 695 | How will we shoot it? | 我们要怎么拍摄? |
| 696 | Can I even get Peyton Manning to do it? | 我能叫佩顿·曼宁来吗? |
| 697 | Could I get, you know, | 我可以得到,你知道吗, |
| 698 | and you start shooting them down. | 你开始击落他们。 |
| 699 | Same thing with the novels, like characters and plots and stories. | 和小说一样 像人物、情节和故事 |
| 700 | Does this make any sense? | 这有道理吗? |
| 701 | No, here's why. | 不,这就是原因。 |
| 702 | Pop, pop, pop也. | |
| 703 | And I felt like that really helps me. | 我觉得这真的帮助了我。 |
| 704 | Yeah, I like that approach a lot actually, because I think sometimes, | 是的,我很喜欢这个方法 实际上,因为我觉得有时, |
| 705 | especially right now in the world, we go to the wishful thinking side. | 特别是在现在的世界,我们走向希望的一面。 |
| 706 | You have the positive vision and you're like, oh, this is how it's going to turn out. | 你有一个正面的愿景,你喜欢, 哦,这是如何 它会变成这样。 |
| 707 | Right. | 对 |
| 708 | And then you ignore the bad stuff. | 然后你忽略了坏东西。 |
| 709 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 710 | Or you ignore the kind of like the potholes or the loopholes | 或者你忽略了像坑洞之类的漏洞 |
| 711 | because you're just like, oh no, I don't want to focus on the negativity. | 因为你只是喜欢, 哦,不,我不想专注于消极。 |
| 712 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 713 | But actually, what you're saying is if you're aware of it, of those known unknowns, | 但实际上,你的意思是 如果你知道它, 那些已知的未知数, |
| 714 | then you can actually break them down yourself. | 然后你可以自己拆散他们 |
| 715 | Well, yeah, it's just like the same thing for any great movie. | 嗯,是的,它只是一样的东西 任何伟大的电影。 |
| 716 | You have to have the antagonist. | 你必须有对抗者。 |
| 717 | Yes. | 对 |
| 718 | You know, a strong villainous character will really drive the narrative along. | 你知道,一个强烈的恶棍角色 会真正驱动 叙事。 |
| 719 | If you don't have that, you have nothing from which your hero has to bounce off of. | 如果你没有,你没有什么可以让你的英雄放弃的。 |
| 720 | You know, that villain could be, you know, maleficent. | 你知道,那个恶棍可能是, 你知道,男性化。 |
| 721 | It could be something inside of you. | 这可能是你体内的东西。 |
| 722 | It could be whatever, but you have to have that clear antagonist | 可能什么的,但你必须有一个明确的对抗者 |
| 723 | that's driving the narrative forward. | 这会推动叙事发展 |
| 724 | And so in this sense, it's the same thing. | 所以从这个意义上来说,这是同样的事情. |
| 725 | You pick apart the negative and from that, you can then move forward. | 将负数分开,然后就可以前进。 |
| 726 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 727 | What I'm loving here right now is that all I'm hearing is like Kobe the storyteller. | 我现在所爱的是 我所听到的就像讲故事的神户 |
| 728 | Like I'm loving it. | 就像我喜欢那样 |
| 729 | What I feel is like what I'm hearing about is your obsession and obsessiveness with stories. | 我所听到的就是 你对故事的痴迷和执着 |
| 730 | And it's not just like, you know, I'm sharing this. | 这不仅仅是,你知道, 我分享这一点。 |
| 731 | It's like you've really studied stories. | 你好像真的学习过故事 |
| 732 | Like you've really broken them down and understood it. | 就像你真正地打破了他们 并理解它。 |
| 733 | Tell me about where that obsession comes from in general, | 告诉我这种迷恋是哪来的, |
| 734 | like how you find obsessiveness and how you've applied that to story. | 喜欢如何发现 偏执和如何应用 的故事。 |
| 735 | Yeah, you know, obsessiveness comes from something that you love. | 是啊,你知道, 偏执来自你爱的东西。 |
| 736 | Like you really love it. | 就像你很喜欢那样 |
| 737 | You'll go through fire for it. | 你会为它而经历火的 |
| 738 | You know, you'll go through the ups and downs with it. | 你知道,你会通过 上下与它。 |
| 739 | And you'll just keep at it because you love it so much, you know. | 你会一直坚持 因为你很喜欢它,你知道的。 |
| 740 | And the story for me started a long time ago. | 对我来说的故事是很久以前开始的。 |
| 741 | I mean, I had a great English teacher at Lower Marion High School named Jane Mastiano. | 我有一个伟大的英语老师 在下马里昂高中 命名简马斯蒂亚诺。 |
| 742 | And she explained to me the art of storytelling my sophomore year. | 她向我解释了我大二时的故事 |
| 743 | And that's where I started falling in love with it and understanding story structure. | 在那里,我开始爱上它 并理解故事结构。 |
| 744 | You know, how to develop compelling characters and how this thing, how stories | 你知道,如何发展 引人入胜的角色 如何这个东西,如何故事 |
| 745 | are the driving force, whether they're inspirational or informational, | 无论是励志还是信息 |
| 746 | that really change society. | 这真的改变了社会。 |
| 747 | Yeah, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 748 | Yeah, we're defined by the stories we tell ourselves, | 是的,我们被我们对自己说的故事定义了 |
| 749 | whether personally or outside. | 无论是个人还是外部。 |
| 750 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 751 | And it seems like you just mentioned that it just shows the role of teachers. | 似乎你刚刚提到 它只是显示了老师的作用。 |
| 752 | Now, when you find that teachers are using the work you're creating to teach, | 当你发现老师利用你创造的工作来教书时 |
| 753 | that must be amazing. | 这一定是惊人的。 |
| 754 | Comes full circle. | 满圆如来. |
| 755 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 756 | You know, and you know, it's a pretty cool feeling, man. | 你知道,你知道, 这是一个相当酷的感觉,男人。 |
| 757 | Like growing up, when I was a high school man, I didn't read much at all. | 就像长大了一样,当我是高中生的时候,我读的不多. |
| 758 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 759 | You know, because basketball was my thing. | 你知道,因为篮球是我的事。 |
| 760 | Now, if you give me a basketball book or like a sports book or like a sports psych book, | 现在,如果你给我一个篮球本 或者像体育本 或者像体育精神病本, |
| 761 | oh, I'm devouring that. | 哦,我正在吞噬这个。 |
| 762 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 763 | Because it was a clear focus for me, which kind of gets me into this market a little bit too. | 因为这对我来说是一个明确的焦点, 这让我进入这个市场 一点点。 |
| 764 | Because like for our active children that love being outdoors and playing all the time, | 因为就像我们那些喜欢在户外玩耍的活跃的孩子一样 |
| 765 | they're not reading. | 他们不读书。 |
| 766 | No. | 没有 |
| 767 | But they're missing out on so much by not reading. | 但他们没看书就错过了 |
| 768 | But they will read if there's something that they feel like speaks to them. | 但如果他们觉得有话要和他们说话 他们就会看 |
| 769 | So true. | 没错 |
| 770 | You know? | 你知道吗? |
| 771 | And so now I think we get more readers in the world because of it. | 所以,现在我想我们得到了更多的读者 在世界上因为它。 |
| 772 | That's so true. | 没错 |
| 773 | No, I think so. | 不,我想是这样。 |
| 774 | I agree with you. | 我同意你的观点。 |
| 775 | For me, and this is why everyone's different, | 对我来说,这就是为什么每个人都不同, |
| 776 | and I think there's such a need for what you're doing, | 我认为有这样的需要 你在做什么, |
| 777 | because when I was growing up, I never enjoyed fiction. | 因为我从小就不喜欢小说 |
| 778 | And so I thought I didn't like reading because all the books | 所以我认为我不喜欢阅读 因为所有的书 |
| 779 | that the school suggested were fiction books. | 学校建议是虚构的书籍。 |
| 780 | And then when I was 14, my dad handed me an autobiography and a biography. | 然后当我14岁时,我爸爸给了我一本自传和一本自传。 |
| 781 | And I devoured it. | 我吞噬了它。 |
| 782 | And then I started reading because I was like, | 然后我开始看书 因为我喜欢, |
| 783 | I want to hear about real people who break and who develop and who learn and grow | 我想听听真正的人 谁打破,谁发展,谁学习和成长 |
| 784 | and like have been through failure. | 就像经历了失败 |
| 785 | And like, I want to hear about rags to riches. | 我想听一些破烂的财富 |
| 786 | And I want to hear about real people who went through real pain. | 我想听到真实的人 谁经历了真正的痛苦。 |
| 787 | But I grew up believing that I didn't like reading. | 但我从小就相信自己不喜欢读书 |
| 788 | And I think that's you're so right. | 我认为你是对的 |
| 789 | I think there's a lot of kids out there who think they don't like reading, | 我认为有很多孩子 在那里谁认为他们不喜欢阅读, |
| 790 | or they think reading is boring. | 或者他们认为阅读很无聊 |
| 791 | It's a problem because like what I found in the industry, | 这是一个问题,因为像我发现 在行业, |
| 792 | which is why we self-publish, | 这就是为什么我们自我宣扬, |
| 793 | because a lot of publishers want to publish the same type of story, | 因为很多出版商都想发表同样的故事 |
| 794 | you know, the same type of plots, same looking characters, | 你知道,同样的类型 地块,相同的外观字符, |
| 795 | not a lot of diverse characters out there at all. | 根本没有很多不同的人物在那里。 |
| 796 | And so we said, you know what, we're going to have to do this on our own. | 所以,我们说,你知道的, 我们要这样做,我们自己。 |
| 797 | This way, we don't have anybody in our way telling us what the market wants to hear. | 这样,我们没有任何人阻碍我们 告诉我们市场想要听到什么。 |
| 798 | I don't care about that. | 我无所谓 |
| 799 | We write stories that come from the heart. | 我们写的故事来自心脏。 |
| 800 | And our characters are going to look like my daughters | 我们的角色会像我女儿 |
| 801 | because my daughters don't have characters out there that look like them. | 因为我的女儿没有像他们那样的角色 |
| 802 | It's a great one. | 妙绝. |
| 803 | So they're going to look like my kids and we're going to go from there. | 所以,他们会看起来像我的孩子 我们从那里出发。 |
| 804 | Yeah, I think what you just raised there about diversity and representation is huge. | 是的,我认为你刚才提到的 多样性和代表性是巨大的。 |
| 805 | It's huge, man. | 这是巨大的,男人。 |
| 806 | Huge. | 巨大的。 |
| 807 | Because I don't see it, man. | 因为我没看到,伙计。 |
| 808 | And like, you know, so books is just the first thing. | 就像,你知道,所以书只是第一件事。 |
| 809 | Publishing is the first thing. | 出版是第一要务. |
| 810 | Now, if we look at animation, animation is even worse. | 现在,如果我们看动画,动画会更糟。 |
| 811 | It's even worse, you know, in terms of developing characters, diverse characters. | 更糟糕的是,你知道,在发展人物方面, 不同的人物。 |
| 812 | But even beyond that, the animators themselves, there's no diversity in that industry. | 但除此之外,动画师本身, 这个行业没有多样性。 |
| 813 | Right. | 对 |
| 814 | None. | 无。 |
| 815 | And I'm talking not just racial diversity, but gender diversity as well. | 我说的不仅仅是种族多样性, 也是性别多样性。 |
| 816 | And so there are a lot of things that we need to take on that we are taking on | 所以有很多事情需要我们来承担 |
| 817 | and hope to make the world and the industry a better place because of it. | 并且希望世界和工业因此而变得更美好。 |
| 818 | Yeah, no, I fully agree with that. | 是啊,不,我完全同意这一点。 |
| 819 | I'm a British Indian, right? | 我是英国印第安人,对吧? |
| 820 | Born and raised in London, Indian, never seen any character look like me. | 出生在伦敦长大,印度人,从未见过像我这样的人物. |
| 821 | Anywhere. | 随便 |
| 822 | Right, because they think, you know, the mass market, they're not going to, | 是的,因为他们认为,你知道, 大众市场,他们不会, |
| 823 | it's not going to appeal to the mass market. | 它不会吸引大众市场。 |
| 824 | So we're not going to do that. | 所以我们不这样做。 |
| 825 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 826 | Wait, what? | 等等,什麽? |
| 827 | What? | 你说什么? |
| 828 | Yeah, and everything's spreading so fast now and everything's global now. | 是的,现在一切都传播得这么快,现在一切都是全球性的。 |
| 829 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 830 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 831 | Nearly all content is global now and most global markets are growing everywhere. | 现在几乎所有的内容都是全球性的,大多数全球市场都在各地增长。 |
| 832 | So the need for people, especially young people, being able to see themselves in characters. | 所以人们,特别是年轻人,需要能够用人物来看待自己. |
| 833 | And even, and it's not, and I think it's a deeper point that you're making is | 甚至,它不是, 我认为这是一个更深的点,你正在做 |
| 834 | you want to be able to see your story in someone, right? | 你想在某人身上看到你的故事 对吧? |
| 835 | Even just beyond like color and background. | 甚至超越了颜色和背景 |
| 836 | It's like your story, your experience of life. | 这就像你的故事,你的生活经历。 |
| 837 | When we made Dear Basketball, we got a lot of pushback from people. | 当我们做了亲爱的篮球, 我们得到了很多的回击 从人们。 |
| 838 | Like I took it to some very prominent studios at first and they all said, yeah, no. | 就像我把它带到一些非常著名的工作室 他们都说,是的,没有。 |
| 839 | Because you said basketball is too sports specific. | 因为你说篮球太特殊了 |
| 840 | Nobody's going to connect with this sort of thing because, you know, | 没有人会和这种事联系起来 因为 你知道 |
| 841 | there's a lot of people out there who don't watch basketball. | 有很多人不看篮球。 |
| 842 | And I'm like, well, that's not the point. | 我很喜欢,嗯,这不是重点。 |
| 843 | It's not the point. | 这不是重点。 |
| 844 | And so it was really a case study. | 所以,这真的是个案例研究。 |
| 845 | Even with our novels, everybody was like sports novels. | 即使我们的小说, 每个人都像运动小说。 |
| 846 | Nobody's going to read that. | 没有人会读到这个。 |
| 847 | It's too much of a niche market. | 过于利基市场. |
| 848 | Niche market. | 尼采市场. |
| 849 | I'm like sports is bigger than that, man. | 我就像运动是更大的,男人。 |
| 850 | And so we made Dear Basketball to really prove a point that | 所以我们让亲爱的篮球 证明这一点 |
| 851 | you don't have to watch basketball at all to connect to the journey of a dream. | 你根本不需要看篮球 就可以和梦想的旅程联系起来 |
| 852 | Yes. | 对 |
| 853 | You know? | 你知道吗? |
| 854 | And once we saw that connection, it was kind of validated our point of view. | 一旦我们看到这种联系, 我们的观点就得到了肯定。 |
| 855 | I think that's a massive point of view. | 我认为这是一个巨大的观点。 |
| 856 | And for anyone who's listening or watching right now who thinks | 现在在听或看的人 |
| 857 | because Kobe Bryant wants to do something, it just happens. | 因为神户布莱恩特想做点什么 就发生了 |
| 858 | It just shows you have to do it yourself sometimes | 只是显示你有时要自己做 |
| 859 | because not everyone's going to believe in you. | 因为不是每个人都会相信你 |
| 860 | Certainly not. | 当然不会 |
| 861 | And what you'll see is, you know, once you start doing it | 你会看到,你知道, 一旦你开始做它 |
| 862 | and now people want to come and jump in. | 现在人们想来跳进去 |
| 863 | But I'm like, you know, you kind of forced us to go about this ourselves. | 但我喜欢,你知道, 你有点强迫我们自己去。 |
| 864 | So I think we're just going to build it from the ground up ourselves. | 所以,我想我们只是要 从地面建立它自己。 |
| 865 | But thank you. | 谢谢你 |
| 866 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 867 | They saved you. | 他们救了你。 |
| 868 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 869 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 870 | Appreciate it because if you had signed on, you know, | 感谢它,因为如果你已经签了,你知道, |
| 871 | we'd just be kind of going with the flow. | 我们只是随流而去。 |
| 872 | Totally. | 当然 |
| 873 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 874 | You can be grateful to them. | 你可以感激他们 |
| 875 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 876 | Appreciate it. | 谢谢 |
| 877 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 878 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 879 | No, I agree. | 不,我同意这个说法。 |
| 880 | It was the same with this podcast, funny enough. | 这和播客一样 很有趣 |
| 881 | When we launched, a lot of people were considering whether it was going to like, | 当我们启动时,很多人在考虑 它是否喜欢, |
| 882 | you know, you do social videos like, is it going to work on a podcast? | 你知道,你做社交视频 喜欢,它会工作 在播客? |
| 883 | And there were a lot of people that were not sure. | 还有很多人不确定。 |
| 884 | And then like we launched some of the biggest podcasts in the world | 然后就像我们推出一些 世界上最大的播客 |
| 885 | in the health category, which is my world. | 在健康类别, 这是我的世界。 |
| 886 | And it was just like, everyone's like, oh, interesting. | 这就像,每个人都一样, 哦,有趣的。 |
| 887 | But I'm like, thank you. | 但我喜欢,谢谢你。 |
| 888 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 889 | Like, thank you so much for saying no. | 喜欢,非常感谢你说不。 |
| 890 | And you didn't think it was going to work because | 而且你认为它不会起作用,因为 |
| 891 | now I figured it out myself. | 现在我自己想通了 |
| 892 | Yes. | 对 |
| 893 | And what you said actually builds confidence and validation. | 你说的其实是建立信任和验证 |
| 894 | And yeah, Oprah told me this when I first decided to build the studio | 是的,奥普拉告诉我 当我第一次决定建造工作室 |
| 895 | and I was asking how Harpo came to be. | 我问哈波是怎么来的 |
| 896 | 她说,当她做 她的交易,Oprah Winfrey节目, | |
| 897 | she was re-upping her deal. | 她正在重订协议 |
| 898 | And actually the first contract she made, she said, well, don't pay me up front. | 事实上,她签的第一个合同,她说, 好了,不要付我前面。 |
| 899 | Just I want to own a percentage of the show. | 我只是想拥有一个比例的节目。 |
| 900 | And so they gave it to her. | 于是他们给了她。 |
| 901 | Now, at the time, there weren't any black women | 当时没有黑人女人 |
| 902 | hosting a daytime talk show, right? | 主持日间脱口秀 对吧? |
| 903 | So it was really new. | 所以这是新的。 |
| 904 | And she said, you know, Kobe, if they believe that the show | 她说,你知道,神户, 如果他们相信节目 |
| 905 | was going to be successful, they wouldn't have given me that. | 他们会成功的 他们不会给我的 |
| 906 | They wouldn't have. | 他们不会的 |
| 907 | In their mind, they're thinking, oh, we got to steal. | 在他们的心目中,他们想,哦,我们得偷。 |
| 908 | We don't have to pay her. | 我们不用付钱给她 |
| 909 | We can take this money and move it over here. | 我们可以拿走这笔钱 搬到这儿去 |
| 910 | This is great. | 这是伟大的。 |
| 911 | You know, it's going to be a flop. | 你知道,这将是一个浮标。 |
| 912 | Will we succeed? | 我们会成功吗? |
| 913 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 914 | At least we get diversity on TV. | 至少我们在电视上得到了多样性。 |
| 915 | It's fine. | 没事 |
| 916 | And all of a sudden it's, oh, uh-oh. | 突然间,就... |
| 917 | Uh-oh, we're in trouble. | 我们有麻烦了 |
| 918 | We shouldn't have given it away, yeah. | 我们不应该放弃它,是的。 |
| 919 | Opened up Pandora's box, right? | 打开潘朵拉的盒子,对吗? |
| 920 | So now you come back for the next day when it's like, | 所以现在你回来 第二天,它就像, |
| 921 | Ian, I have to give me some more ownership. | Ian 我得多给我点所有权 |
| 922 | You're like, dang it, here. | 你就像,该死,在这里。 |
| 923 | And then ultimately she came to owning 100% of the show. | 最终她获得了100%的节目所有权. |
| 924 | Yeah, which is amazing. | 是啊,这是惊人的。 |
| 925 | Wow, that's a great story. | 哇,这是一个伟大的故事。 |
| 926 | Yeah, that's fascinating. | 是啊,这是令人着迷的。 |
| 927 | I think because sometimes when you think that, you're like, | 我认为,因为有时 当你这样想,你喜欢, |
| 928 | oh, they like me. | 他们喜欢我 |
| 929 | That's why they're giving it. | 故授之. |
| 930 | No, don't like me, please. | 不,不要喜欢我,请。 |
| 931 | Here's an idea. | 有个主意 |
| 932 | It's terrible. | 这太可怕了。 |
| 933 | I just need you to buy in just a little bit. | 我只是需要你买一点点。 |
| 934 | That is awesome. | 这是真棒。 |
| 935 | How are you encouraging? | 你怎么鼓励? |
| 936 | You've shared so many stories of like your teacher who taught | 你分享了很多故事 就像你老师教的 |
| 937 | you about storytelling and writing early on. | 关于讲故事和写作的早期。 |
| 938 | You just shared Oprah's example. | 你刚刚分享了奥普拉的例子 |
| 939 | You've had so many incredible mentors in your life. | 你这辈子有这么多不可思议的导师 |
| 940 | We all know about that. | 我们都知道这一点。 |
| 941 | How are you encouraging young people to find the right mentors? | 你如何鼓励年轻人找到合适的导师? |
| 942 | And how can they find the right mentors? | 他们怎么能找到合适的导师? |
| 943 | Even through your work? | 即使通过你的工作? |
| 944 | I guess your work is somewhat mentorship. | 我猜你的工作有点指导性 |
| 945 | We try to be, you know? | 我们试图成为,你知道吗? |
| 946 | And I think the important thing is research. | 我认为重要的是研究。 |
| 947 | You know, in the hall here in the office, I have a hall that | 在办公室的大厅里 我有一个大厅 |
| 948 | 我给Muse Hall打电话 | |
| 949 | We have all the portraits of some of our muses here from | 我们这里有我们一些穆斯林的肖像 |
| 950 | J.K. Rowling to Steve Jobs and so forth and so on. | J·K·罗林给史蒂夫·乔布斯等等. |
| 951 | I think it's important to research them. | 我认为研究它们很重要 |
| 952 | And it's like putting fuel in the fire every day. | 亦如天天放火中燃料. |
| 953 | There's constant inspiration. | 常有灵感. |
| 954 | When you read about them, what they were able to accomplish, | 当你读到他们的事迹的时候, |
| 955 | how they went about accomplishing it. | 他们如何去完成它。 |
| 956 | It's just constantly feeding that flame. | 它只是不断喂养火焰。 |
| 957 | And in learning. | 并在学中. |
| 958 | And the best way to do that is to learn from the people who | 最好的办法就是向那些 |
| 959 | have done it. | 已经做到了。 |
| 960 | That just made me so happy. | 这让我很开心 |
| 961 | I have a gallery wall in my home. | 我家里有个画廊墙 |
| 962 | If we were recording this at my place in Hollywood. | 如果我们在好莱坞我的地方录下这个 |
| 963 | Like I have a gallery wall. | 就像我有一个画廊墙。 |
| 964 | Steve Jobs is right there. | 史蒂夫・乔布斯就在那里。 |
| 965 | And Einstein's there. | 爱因斯坦也在那里 |
| 966 | Martin Luther King's there. | 马丁·路德·金在那里 |
| 967 | And there's a few other people. | 亦有数人. |
| 968 | And for me, it's the same thing. | 而对我来说,这是同样的事情。 |
| 969 | It's like sometimes I'm sitting there and I'll be like, | 这就像有时我坐在那里 我会像, |
| 970 | what would that person do? | 那个人会怎么做? |
| 971 | How would they have dealt with this challenge? | 他们将如何应对这一挑战? |
| 972 | And you're so right. | 你说得对 |
| 973 | I think you can be mentored by people who aren't alive. | 我想你可以被那些不活着的人教导 |
| 974 | 100%. | 百分百的 百分百的 百分百的 |
| 975 | Because their stories still live. | 因为他们的故事还是活的 |
| 976 | Which brings us to the importance of storytelling. | 这让我们想到讲故事的重要性。 |
| 977 | Their stories still live. | 他们的故事还在继续 |
| 978 | These muses are here. | 这些缪斯在这里。 |
| 979 | It's important to learn from them. | 向他们学习很重要。 |
| 980 | And if anything, it helps you remember that they are human. | 如果有的话,它能帮助你记住 他们是人类。 |
| 981 | Just like us. | 就像我们一样 |
| 982 | These great things that get accomplished can be accomplished | 这些伟大的事情是能够完成的 |
| 983 | by others and beyond. | 由他人和他人以外组织。 |
| 984 | Building Walt Disney Company is not something that people look | 建造华特迪士尼公司不是人们所看到的 |
| 985 | at and scoff at and go, oh, it can't be done. | 笑着走,哦,这不可能 |
| 986 | Well, why not? | 为什么不呢? |
| 987 | Why not? | 为什么不呢? |
| 988 | And the more action you take, the more you think is possible. | 你越是采取行动,你就越觉得可能。 |
| 989 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 990 | Because you realize there are people just like us. | 因为你意识到我们一样的人 |
| 991 | They make mistakes just like us. | 他们犯错误就像我们一样。 |
| 992 | And they kept going. | 他们继续前进。 |
| 993 | And we can do the same. | 我们也可以这样做。 |
| 994 | Absolutely, man. | 当然,伙计。 |
| 995 | Well, I could talk to you for hours, but you're a busy man | 我可以跟你谈几个小时 但你很忙 |
| 996 | and you've got loads of things to do. | 你还有好多事要做 |
| 997 | So we end every interview with what we call the final five | 所以,我们结束每一次采访 我们称之为最后5 |
| 998 | quick fire, rapid fire round, which means you have to answer | 快火,快火圆,这意味着你必须回答 |
| 999 | in one word or one sentence maximum. | 在一个词或一个句子最多。 |
| 1000 | Got it. | 明白吗? |
| 1001 | So this is easy for you. | 所以这对你来说很简单 |
| 1002 | So the first question is, what brings you the most joy right now? | 所以,第一个问题是,是什么让你现在最快乐? |
| 1003 | Family. | 眷属. |
| 1004 | Beautiful. | 美丽 |
| 1005 | Second, what do you want your girls to think | 第二,你想让你的姑娘们怎么想 |
| 1006 | when they hear your name? | 当他们听到你的名字时? |
| 1007 | Daddy. | 爹地 爹地 爹地 爹地 |
| 1008 | Nice. | 不错 |
| 1009 | Number three, your favorite animated film? | 第三,你最喜欢的动画片? |
| 1010 | Pinocchio. | 匹诺曹. |
| 1011 | Oh, nice. | 不错 |
| 1012 | I was not expecting that. | 我没想到 |
| 1013 | It's the greatest. | 这是最伟大的。 |
| 1014 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1015 | They were in a zone when they made that film. | 他们拍这部电影的时候就在一个区里 |
| 1016 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1017 | Question number four, the book that's had the biggest impact on you? | 问题四 对你影响最大的书? |
| 1018 | The Alchemist. | 炼金术师. |
| 1019 | Oh, nice. | 不错 |
| 1020 | Okay, great. | 好吧,伟大的。 |
| 1021 | Question number five, your one message to all storytellers would be? | 第五题,你给所有讲故事的人的讯息是? |
| 1022 | Create from truth. | 从真造化. |
| 1023 | It's beautiful, man. | 真漂亮 伙计 |
| 1024 | Kobi, thank you so much. | 柯比,非常感谢 |
| 1025 | Got it, man. | 知道了,伙计。 |
| 1026 | This has been an honor, man. | 我很荣幸,伙计 |
| 1027 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1028 | Such a beautiful conversation. | 这么漂亮的谈话。 |
| 1029 | Thank you for sharing so many gems, so many wisdom pieces. | 谢谢你分享这么多的宝石 这么多的智慧作品 |
| 1030 | And anyone who's out there right now, I've got the copy of the book | 现在在场的任何人 我都有这本书的复印件 |
| 1031 | right here, Legacy and the Queen. | 在这里,遗产和女王。 |
| 1032 | You can go grab it and you can also listen to the podcast, | 你可以去抓住它,你也可以听播客, |
| 1033 | The Punies as well right now. | 便尼们现在也一样 |
| 1034 | So you can go and download that. | 所以你可以去下载。 |
| 1035 | We'll put the links to both of them in the comments section | 我们把链接 与他们两个 在评论部分 |
| 1036 | and in this podcast so you can go directly there. | 在这个播客里,你可以直接去那里。 |
| 1037 | Kobi, thank you so much for allowing us into your space, man. | 柯比,谢谢你让我们进入你的空间 |
| 1038 | This was really special. | 这真的很特别 |
| 1039 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1040 | And remember this. | 记住这一点。 |
| 1041 | Thank you, man. | 谢谢 |
| 1042 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1043 | If you want even more videos just like this one, click on the boxes over here. | 如果你想要更多的视频 像这样,点击这里的盒子。 |
| 1044 | And if you want to continue seeing these kinds of stories, | 如果你想继续看这些故事 |
| 1045 | you can subscribe by clicking the link right here. | 您可以在此点击链接订阅。 |
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| 0:00 | I can show to the world that a kid from war-torn country can actually be the best in a sport that is very global. | 我可以向世界表明,一个来自战患国家的孩子, 能够真正成为最优秀的运动员。 |
| 0:08 | That's what happened, but all of these experiences have been there for a reason and I don't regret anything, | 事情就是这样的 但所有这些经历都存在是有原因的 我不后悔 |
| 0:15 | I don't pity anything, I just feel like that's something that I have to go through. | 我不可怜任何东西, 我只是觉得这是我必须经历的事情。 |
| 0:22 | And I think it's so beautiful that you are mentoring other Serbian talents and tennis players | 我认为这太美了 你正在辅导其他塞尔维亚人才和网球运动员 |
| 0:27 | because I think that's what everyone needs, they need a guiding hand, they need someone who's been there. | 因为我认为这是每个人都需要的, 他们需要一个指导手, 他们需要一个人曾经在那里。 |
| 0:32 | We need to share, that's for sure. | 我们需要分享,这是肯定的。 |
| 0:34 | Yeah, and I think so much of the time we live in this scarcity mindset, even with the deals, | 是啊,我想很多时候 我们生活在 这种稀缺的心态, 即使交易, |
| 0:38 | people say things like, oh, it's good for you right now, but it might not be later, so make the most of it. | 人们会说,哦,现在对你有好处, 但它可能不是以后, 所以尽量利用它。 |
| 0:43 | And then that intention is fueling people's, you know, greedy mentality. | 然后这个意图正在激起人们的贪婪心态。 |
| 0:48 | Now is the time, you've got to use it, otherwise, you know, I know, I know, because I've been | 现在是时候了,你必须使用它, 否则,你知道,我知道,我知道,因为我已经 |
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| 1 | I can show to the world that a kid from war-torn country can actually be the best in a sport that is very global. | 我可以向世界表明,一个来自战患国家的孩子, 能够真正成为最优秀的运动员。 |
| 2 | That's what happened, but all of these experiences have been there for a reason and I don't regret anything, | 事情就是这样的 但所有这些经历都存在是有原因的 我不后悔 |
| 3 | I don't pity anything, I just feel like that's something that I have to go through. | 我不可怜任何东西, 我只是觉得这是我必须经历的事情。 |
| 4 | And I think it's so beautiful that you are mentoring other Serbian talents and tennis players | 我认为这太美了 你正在辅导其他塞尔维亚人才和网球运动员 |
| 5 | because I think that's what everyone needs, they need a guiding hand, they need someone who's been there. | 因为我认为这是每个人都需要的, 他们需要一个指导手, 他们需要一个人曾经在那里。 |
| 6 | We need to share, that's for sure. | 我们需要分享,这是肯定的。 |
| 7 | Yeah, and I think so much of the time we live in this scarcity mindset, even with the deals, | 是啊,我想很多时候 我们生活在 这种稀缺的心态, 即使交易, |
| 8 | people say things like, oh, it's good for you right now, but it might not be later, so make the most of it. | 人们会说,哦,现在对你有好处, 但它可能不是以后, 所以尽量利用它。 |
| 9 | And then that intention is fueling people's, you know, greedy mentality. | 然后这个意图正在激起人们的贪婪心态。 |
| 10 | Now is the time, you've got to use it, otherwise, you know, I know, I know, because I've been | 现在是时候了,你必须使用它, 否则,你知道,我知道,我知道,因为我已经 |
| 11 | still trying to learn how to manage this myself, because I have also lots of opportunities | 因为我也有很多机会 |
| 12 | and being number one of the world and tennis is a global sport and everything, | 作为世界第一 网球是全球运动和一切 |
| 13 | but, you know, I'm kind of going through this kind of centering process | 但是,你知道,我有点 经历这样的中心过程 |
| 14 | of understanding what I need to do in order to organize my life better, | 了解我需要做什么才能更好地组织我的生活, |
| 15 | in order to focus on what is the most important, you know, aspect of my existence here, | 为了专注于我在这里存在的最重要方面 |
| 16 | you know, the inner peace, you know, the spiritual growth, the understanding of self | 你知道,内心的平静,你知道, 精神的成长,对自我的理解 |
| 17 | and, of course, the family, the close ones. | 当然还有家人 亲近的人 |
| 18 | But, you know, for most of my career, it was about tennis all the time, you know. | 但是,你知道,在我的职业生涯的大部分时间里, 都是关于网球的,你知道的。 |
| 19 | So tennis, tennis, tennis, and then my ego plays with me so much. | 所以网球,网球,网球, 然后,我的自我 和我玩这么多。 |
| 20 | I mean, it plays with all of us, you know. | 我是说,它和我们所有人一起玩 |
| 21 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 22 | But, you know, I've been thinking firstly that ego is the enemy, | 但是,你知道,我一直在想 首先,自我是敌人, |
| 23 | but actually now I'm kind of more leaning towards the theory that ego should be befriended, | 但现在我更倾向于 自我应该交朋友的理论, |
| 24 | you know, should be, you know, part of your process of thinking, of feeling, | 你知道,应该,你知道, 一部分你的想法,感觉, |
| 25 | and in this way, you're also disarming your ego in a way, right? | 这样,你也会 以某种方式解除你的自我,对不对? |
| 26 | Rather than kind of trying to reject it and then you're creating this. | 而不是那种试图拒绝它 然后你正在创造这个。 |
| 27 | And this is so much, you know, what we're actually going through in an outside world as well, right? | 这是这么多,你知道, 我们实际上正在经历 在一个外部世界,对不对? |
| 28 | Yeah, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 29 | So let me introduce you and then I'll explain why I did it because I think it makes sense. | 所以,让我介绍一下你,然后我会解释为什么我这样做,因为我觉得这很合理。 |
| 30 | Hey, everyone. | 嘿,大家好,你们好 |
| 31 | Thank you so much for coming back for this very, very special episode. | 非常感谢你回来 为这个非常非常特别的一集。 |
| 32 | I'm genuinely so honored and grateful to introduce our next guest. | 我非常荣幸和感激地介绍下一位客人 |
| 33 | Not only is he the number one tennis player in the world, | 他不仅是世界上头号网球运动员 |
| 34 | he has 14 Grand Slam titles, including four Wimbledons, | 他有14个大名,包括4个温布尔登 |
| 35 | but on top of all of that, he's extremely spiritual, an incredible healer, transformer, | 但最重要的是,他精神超强 令人难以置信的治疗器,变形器 |
| 36 | and someone who's doing so much great work in the world. | 和一个人谁做这么多 伟大的工作在世界上。 |
| 37 | 我很高兴在Instagram和WhatsApp上认识他 | |
| 38 | and today I get to sit down with him for the first time, | 今天我第一次和他坐下来 |
| 39 | but he's definitely someone who's attracted me here to Monaco through his energy | 但他肯定是通过他的能量 吸引我到摩纳哥的人 |
| 40 | and through his incredibly humble and graceful spirit. | 并通过他令人难以置信的谦卑和优雅的精神 |
| 41 | So Novak, it is an absolute pleasure being with you, my friend. | 诺瓦克 和你在一起绝对是件好事 我的朋友 |
| 42 | 我感觉到你对WhatsApp和Instagram的精力。 | |
| 43 | I feel it in front of you right now. | 我现在在你面前感觉到了 |
| 44 | And I really believe that we've just been pulled together. | 我真的相信我们刚刚在一起。 |
| 45 | So, so good. | 所以,这么好。 |
| 46 | I mean, thank you so much for coming to see me here. | 非常感谢你来看我 |
| 47 | I'm really honored. | 我真的很荣幸 |
| 48 | And it's as you said, you know, social media was the platform through which we established | 正如你说的,你知道,社交媒体是我们建立平台 |
| 49 | the first connection. | 第一个连接。 |
| 50 | But I feel like, you know, watching you and what you do and sharing your message, | 但我觉得,你知道,看着你 和你做什么,分享你的信息, |
| 51 | I felt connected with you instantly and your message deeply resonates with me, | 我立刻觉得和你有关联 你的讯息对我有很大的反响 |
| 52 | with people that are close to me. | 和亲近我的人 |
| 53 | And it's a dream come true to be with you here today. | 今天在这里与你在一起是梦想成真了 |
| 54 | No, you're the sweetest man. | 不,你是最可爱的男人。 |
| 55 | And I genuinely feel that when you have a good and anyone who's listening, | 我真心觉得,当你有一个好人 和任何人在听, |
| 56 | I highly recommend this. | 我强烈建议这样做。 |
| 57 | If you have a good online connection with someone, | 如果你和某人有良好的网络连接 |
| 58 | take it offline as quick as you can. | 尽快脱线 |
| 59 | Yes, like turn it into face to face. | 是的,就像把它变成面对面的。 |
| 60 | And that's what I saw that we were connecting so beautifully. | 这就是我所看到的,我们正在连接如此美丽。 |
| 61 | I remember one of the first things you said to me was higher forces are connecting us. | 我记得你对我说的第一个事情是 上级部队正在联系我们 |
| 62 | Like higher forces are between us getting connected. | 就像我们之间有更强大的力量 |
| 63 | And when you said that to me, I just felt I have to meet you. | 当你对我说,我只是觉得 我必须满足你。 |
| 64 | There's no need to keep this relationship online. | 无需将这种关系维持在网上. |
| 65 | There's no need to just have it here. | 没必要只是在这里。 |
| 66 | If this is someone who truly believes there's a deeper connection here, | 如果这个人真的相信这里有更深层的联系 |
| 67 | let's get together. | 让我们在一起。 |
| 68 | Let's see each other. | 相见. |
| 69 | So I'm so grateful that you opened up this opportunity for me to visit you. | 所以我很感激你给我这次机会来看你 |
| 70 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 71 | And I'm really grateful and generally honored that you guys came all the way from LA. | 我非常感激你们从洛杉矶来 |
| 72 | You know, it's a long trip. | 你知道,这是一个长途旅行。 |
| 73 | And I think we all share a common kind of vision and compassion for the world. | 我认为我们都对世界有着共同的远见和同情心。 |
| 74 | And I think we all interact with the world in very similar ways, | 我认为我们都以非常相似的方式与世界互动, |
| 75 | even though we know I'm an athlete, but I don't like to categorize or label myself as an athlete, | 虽然我们知道我是运动员 但我不喜欢把自己归为运动员 或贴标签 |
| 76 | you know, as society likes. | 你知道,社会喜欢。 |
| 77 | I think we expand much more than that. | 我认为,我们扩大的远远不止于此。 |
| 78 | And social media and internet is great if you use it in the right way. | 社交媒体和互联网是伟大的 如果你用正确的方式。 |
| 79 | So I feel like it's a great platform. | 所以我觉得这是一个很好的平台。 |
| 80 | And it got us connected. | 也让我们有了联系 |
| 81 | And we're here today. | 今亦如来. |
| 82 | And not a while ago, I've sent you a message on Instagram because I'm your fan. | 不久前,我给你发了一条关于Instagram的信息 因为我是你的粉丝。 |
| 83 | I follow, of course, I follow your message and I follow your energy and everything that you've been spreading and sharing with people. | 当然,我遵循你的信息, 我遵循你的能量 以及你一直传播和分享的一切。 |
| 84 | So I'm just happy to get deep and talk about, you know, things that I usually don't get asked on the tennis tournaments. | 所以我很高兴能深入地谈谈 网球锦标赛上通常不问的问题 |
| 85 | So it's really exciting. | 所以这真的很刺激。 |
| 86 | Absolutely, absolutely. | 当然,绝对的。 |
| 87 | And that's what I love about you. | 那就是我爱你的原因 |
| 88 | And that's what I'm excited for everyone who's listening and watching is that you aren't athlete. | 我对每个在听和看的人感到兴奋的是,你不是运动员。 |
| 89 | But what I was saying to you earlier is you are so much more and you have so much more to give. | 但是,我之前跟你说的是,你是如此之多,你还有太多要付出。 |
| 90 | You've worked so hard on the court. | 尔时优波笈多勤修宫廷. |
| 91 | But what I love about you is that you're also an inner athlete. | 但我爱的是,你也是一个内在运动员。 |
| 92 | Like you're doing this inner work and you've really focused on growing yourself, healing yourself, working on yourself. | 就像你正在做这个内在的工作, 你真正专注于培养自己, 治愈自己, 工作自己。 |
| 93 | So let's dive into all of that today. | 所以,让我们潜入今天的所有。 |
| 94 | Make this the interview where you make this the interview where you get to talk about everything that's important to you. | 让这次采访成为你进行这次采访的地方 让你能够谈论一切对你很重要的事 |
| 95 | And that's why this podcast actually started. | 这就是为什么这个播客实际上开始。 |
| 96 | I was speaking at an event last year and Tom Brady was speaking before me and he was interviewed by a sports journalist. | 我去年在一次活动上发言,汤姆·布雷迪在我之前发言,他接受了一名体育记者的采访。 |
| 97 | And the conference was actually about building meaningful lives. | 会议实际上是为了建立有意义的生活。 |
| 98 | So I was asked to speak about that topic. | 因此,我被要求谈论这个话题。 |
| 99 | Tom was speaking before and the interviewer asked him a question and Tom started speaking about his family. | 汤姆之前说话,采访者问他一个问题,汤姆开始谈论他的家人. |
| 100 | He started talking about being a father. | 他开始谈论做父亲 |
| 101 | He started talking about all these beautiful values and responsibilities and how he's growing now that his sports career is coming to a natural end, etc. | 他开始谈论所有这些美丽的价值观和责任,以及他如何成长,现在他的体育生涯正走向一个自然的终结,等等. |
| 102 | And the sports journalist just said to him, they said, Tom, leave all this soft stuff. | 体育记者刚刚对他说, 他们说,汤姆,留下这些软的东西。 |
| 103 | Let's talk about the sports. | 腾讯体育. |
| 104 | And I felt so bad for him because I just felt like he was really trying to open up his heart. | 我为他感到难过 因为我觉得他真的想打开他的心 |
| 105 | And the sports journalist was almost just squashing all of that and saying, let's just talk about your rings. | 而体育记者几乎只是 粉碎这一切,说, 让我们只是谈论你的戒指。 |
| 106 | Like, let's talk about the medals. | 像,让我们谈谈奖牌。 |
| 107 | And so I wanted to build a platform where people like yourself and people from music, media, movies, film, | 所以我想建立一个平台 像你这样的人 以及音乐,媒体,电影,电影, |
| 108 | everyone can actually come and talk about your deeper sides and your real heart. | 每个人都可以来谈谈你内心深处和真实的心 |
| 109 | So I want you to feel really comfortable to be able to do that today. | 所以,我希望你能够感到非常舒适 能够做到这一点。 |
| 110 | I am very much and you are definitely one of the very few people that in my life and that I've known thus far. | 我非常喜欢,你绝对是 极少数的人之一 在我的生命,我已经知道到目前为止。 |
| 111 | And of course, that I'm following, that I can share this message with. | 当然,我跟着, 我可以分享这个信息。 |
| 112 | And I truly mean that because and I don't mean that in a bad way for the society. | 我是认真的,因为我不是说对社会不好。 |
| 113 | I'm not judging. I don't like the judgment. | 我不是在评判你 我不喜欢判决 |
| 114 | I like that, you know, the word hatred or anything like that. | 我喜欢,你知道, 仇恨这个词或类似的东西。 |
| 115 | You know, I respect everyone and we I respect also this kind of moment in time that we as people are. | 你知道,我尊重每个人,我们也尊重这种时刻,我们作为人。 |
| 116 | Yes, you know, and our society is where it is with a reason. | 是的,你知道,我们的社会 是有原因的。 |
| 117 | And we just have to go through that stage of development, I think, and an evolution. | 我们只需要经历一个发展阶段,我想, 以及一个进化。 |
| 118 | And it took me time to really I feel like come to that understanding in a way because I was also for many years | 我花了很长时间才真正意识到这一点 因为我已经很多年了 |
| 119 | through my character building process and spiritual development and kind of opening my minds to different dimensions | 通过我的性格建设过程和精神发展 以及那种打开我的思想 不同层面 |
| 120 | and horizons of, you know, self-awareness and self-care. | 以及自我意识和自我照顾的境界 |
| 121 | I was just feeling a lot of times lonely, you know, and I just felt like what I was doing was not understood, | 我只是觉得很多时候 孤独,你知道, 我只是感觉自己在做什么 不明白, |
| 122 | especially in my world and not just understood, but it was not accepted, | 尤其是在我的世界里, 不只是理解, 但它不被接受, |
| 123 | which was even worse because then, you know, you're labeled as a kind of like a black sheep, | 你被贴上黑羊的标签 |
| 124 | you know, in the herd. | 你知道,在羊群里。 |
| 125 | And and but I still wanted to play tennis and still stay in that in that in that sport in that, | 但我还是想打网球 并且仍然留在那个运动中 |
| 126 | you know, field of life and which I have and I'm not, you know, | 你知道,生活领域 而我有,我不是,你知道, |
| 127 | regretting in contrary, I'm so blessed to do what I love. | 反之,后悔,我是如此幸运 做我喜欢的事。 |
| 128 | I've started playing tennis when I was four years old and my family did not have any tennis tradition. | 四岁时开始打网球,家人没有网球传统. |
| 129 | So it was literally a sign of a destiny. | 因此,它实际上是一个命运的标志。 |
| 130 | Three tennis courts in front of my parents restaurant in a small mountain place in Serbia called Koponic. | 我父母餐厅前的三个网球场 位于塞尔维亚一个叫科波尼奇的小山地 |
| 131 | My father was sorry, but giving you a little background. | 我父亲很抱歉,但给你一些背景 |
| 132 | Yeah, do it. Yeah, it was a professional skier. | 是的,做到这一点。 是啊,这是一个职业滑雪运动员。 |
| 133 | He was a skiing instructor. | 他是个滑雪教练 |
| 134 | That's how he met my mom on the skiing slope. | 他就是这样在滑雪坡上遇见我妈的 |
| 135 | And, you know, it's a funny story. | 而且,你知道,这是一个有趣的故事。 |
| 136 | You know, she kind of like tell us that she, you know, she was skiing and then she fell and then he was there | 你知道,她有点喜欢告诉我们 她,你知道,她在滑雪 然后她摔倒,然后他在那里 |
| 137 | and he's like, I need help. | 他就像, 我需要帮助。 |
| 138 | I think I can help you. | 我想我可以帮你 |
| 139 | And he probably organized the whole thing, you know, but but, you know, it's how they met. | 他可能安排了整个事情,你知道的, 但是,你知道,这是他们是如何认识的。 |
| 140 | And, you know, they six months later, they got they got married and I was already my mom was pregnant with me. | 而且,你知道,他们六个月后, 他们结婚了,我已经是 我妈妈怀了我。 |
| 141 | And and then a year later, they opened a restaurant in the very mountain where they met. | 一年之后,他们在相遇的山上开了一家餐馆。 |
| 142 | And that's the the restaurant was the business that generated the, you know, the budget for our family. | 餐厅就是我们家族预算的源头 |
| 143 | So we spent a lot of time there because we lived three hours by car away in the capital city of Serbia, Belgrade, | 所以我们在那里呆了很久 因为我们住在三小时外的车里 塞尔维亚首都贝尔格莱德 |
| 144 | where I went to school and my two younger brothers have two younger brothers. | 在那里我上学,我的两个弟弟有两个弟弟。 |
| 145 | Their names are Marco and Georgia. | 他们的名字是马可和乔治亚。 |
| 146 | Their one is four years old, younger than me. | 他们的一个是4岁,比我年轻。 |
| 147 | And the other one is eight years younger than me. | 另一个比我小八岁 |
| 148 | And this is like we talked about, you know, my children and the indigo children, | 这就像我们谈论的, 你知道,我的孩子和Indigo的孩子, |
| 149 | kind of like a new wave of, you know, of energy and consciousness and awareness that we're receiving from above | 就像新的一波,你知道的, 能量和意识和意识 从上面我们得到 |
| 150 | through children that already have, you know, what we don't have, you know. | 通过孩子,已经,你知道, 我们没有,你知道的。 |
| 151 | And that's what I see in my brother, you know, and he's been born with this capacity and ability to just | 这是我从我哥哥身上看到的 他出生于这个能力 |
| 152 | multitask and deal with things so successfully and still be happy. | 多任务和处理 事情如此成功,仍然快乐。 |
| 153 | And it's quite amazing. | 和它的相当惊人。 |
| 154 | So, you know, going back to my story is, you know, I felt that in my world of tennis, | 所以,你知道,回到我的故事 是,你知道,我觉得在我的网球世界, |
| 155 | I just when you are a professional athlete, you know, it's all about winning or losing. | 当你是一名职业运动员时, 你知道,一切都是为了赢还是输。 |
| 156 | Right. I just I don't see losing or failure as as such. | 对 我只是不认为输或失败是这样。 |
| 157 | I see it as another great lesson that awaits for me to learn from. | 我认为这是另一个值得我学习的伟大教训。 |
| 158 | Did you always have that even when you were young? | 你年轻的时候就一直这样吗? |
| 159 | No, no, no. | 不,不,没有。 |
| 160 | I just as I said, I went through my evolution and I was fortunate really that when I started playing tennis, | 就像我说的,我经历了我的进化, 我很幸运,当我开始打网球, |
| 161 | I ran into and came across some really, really knowledgeable people about tennis and about life. | 我遇到一些真正了解网球和生活的人。 |
| 162 | In particular, one woman and her name is Jelena Gentic. | 特别是,有一个女人,她的名字是Jelena Gentic。 |
| 163 | She's not with us anymore. | 她不再和我们在一起了 |
| 164 | She passed away in 2012. | 她在2012年去世. |
| 165 | She was my tennis mother. | 她是我的网球母亲 |
| 166 | And so my parents, you know, invested a lot of energy and efforts. | 所以我的父母,你知道,投入了很多精力和精力。 |
| 167 | And in those times during 90s, when I was growing up, we had two wars. | 在90年代,当我长大的时候, 我们经历了两次战争。 |
| 168 | We had unfortunately war that broke down the whole Yugoslavian region because it was big Yugoslavian country, | 不幸的是,我们曾发动战争,摧毁了整个南斯拉夫地区,因为它是南斯拉夫的大国, |
| 169 | very strong, made of, you know, six different states. | 非常强大,由六个不同的州组成。 |
| 170 | I mean countries that are right now independent. | 我是说那些现在独立的国家。 |
| 171 | I'm coming from one of them, which is Serbia. | 我来自其中之一 塞尔维亚 |
| 172 | And then during 90s from like 91, 92 all the way till 2000, we had embargo. | 然后在90年代,从91,92 一直到2000年,我们实行禁运。 |
| 173 | So people waiting in line for bread and milk and like absolutely most, you know, necessary things. | 所以人们排队等待面包和牛奶 像大多数,你知道,必要的东西。 |
| 174 | And then 99 we had in Serbia, we had bombings for two and a half months every single day and night. | 然后在塞尔维亚发生了99起爆炸, 每一天和每晚发生两个半月。 |
| 175 | I was there. | 我当时在场。 |
| 176 | My family was there every single day. | 我的家人每天都在现场 |
| 177 | We woke up every night for two and a half months because of the alarm and because of the planes flying over us. | 我们每天晚上醒来两个半月 因为警报 和飞机飞过我们。 |
| 178 | And it was devastating. | 并且是毁灭性的。 |
| 179 | It was frightening. | 这太可怕了。 |
| 180 | It was worst thing that definitely we, you know, we ever experienced, you know, | 这最糟糕的是,我们,你知道, 我们曾经经历,你知道, |
| 181 | seeing planes over your head and just dropping bombs and, you know, hospitals and everything. | 看到飞机在你的头上 扔炸弹 医院和一切 |
| 182 | It was just terrible, terrible. | 它只是可怕的,可怕的。 |
| 183 | Many innocent people died. | 许多无辜者丧生. |
| 184 | Thankfully, I didn't lose personally anyone that is very close to me. | 谢天谢地,我没有失去任何与我非常亲近的人。 |
| 185 | But I know people that lost, you know, their loved ones and that's a scar that stays with you forever. | 但我知道那些失去亲人的人 那是个永远留在你身边的伤疤 |
| 186 | So this memory stays and will stay with me forever. | 所以这个记忆会永远留在我身边 |
| 187 | But at the beginning, I felt like probably most of the people in my country. | 但一开始,我觉得我的国家 可能大多数的人。 |
| 188 | I felt I want revenge. | 我觉得我想复仇 |
| 189 | You know, I felt like, you know, who are these guys to bomb innocent people? | 你知道,我觉得,你知道, 这些家伙是谁 轰炸无辜的人? |
| 190 | What the hell is going on? | 这到底是怎么回事? |
| 191 | I was 12 years old and I remember I was there day and night and I celebrated my 12th birthday during the day | 我12岁,我记得我在那里 昼夜,我庆祝我的12岁生日 在白天 |
| 192 | because we didn't go to schools, obviously, and it was just hiding in shelters and everything. | 因为我们没有去学校, 显然, 它只是躲在避难所和一切。 |
| 193 | And then we just after a week or two hiding in shelters, we just said, | 然后我们躲在收容所一两星期后 我们刚刚说 |
| 194 | OK, we're just going to, you know, go about our life and that's it. | 好吧,我们只是要去,你知道, 去我们的生活,就是这样。 |
| 195 | You know, we don't we're not going to care what happens if, you know, if we're hit, we're hit. | 你知道,我们不会 关心会发生什么 如果我们被击中,我们被击中。 |
| 196 | You know what we can do. | 你知道我们能做什么。 |
| 197 | I mean, and so I remember on my 12th birthday, kids were singing and my friends at the tennis club | 我的意思是,所以我记得在我的12岁生日, 孩子们唱歌和我的朋友在网球俱乐部 |
| 198 | because we spent a lot of a lot of times playing tennis. | 因为我们花了很多时间打网球 |
| 199 | We we didn't go to school. | 我们没有去上学。 |
| 200 | So for us, it was great. | 因此,对我们来说,这是伟大的。 |
| 201 | And and then we were singing the happy birthday song and there was a plane flying. | 然后我们唱着快乐的生日歌 有一架飞机在飞 |
| 202 | And I have this image of I was playing and just kind of dropping bombs everywhere. | 我有一个我玩的画面 到处投放炸弹 |
| 203 | And it was terrible. | 实在太可怕了 |
| 204 | But at the same time, I felt like as I was kind of growing, you know, inside out as well, I felt | 但与此同时,我觉得,当我是 那种成长,你知道, 内心,我感觉 |
| 205 | and I think my parents helped me a lot with that, is that, you know, we can't judge the whole nation | 我觉得我爸妈帮了我很大忙, 因为,你知道,我们不能评判整个国家 |
| 206 | or everyone for the actions of certain individuals or certain groups or institutions or whatever | 某些个人或某些团体或机构的行动 |
| 207 | that decided to bomb our country and just kill innocent people. | 决定轰炸我们的国家 杀害无辜的人 |
| 208 | We can't, you know, judge everyone for that, you know, and and that's that's when I kind of like shifted | 我们不能,你知道, 评判每个人的这一点,你知道的, 而那时,我有点像转移 |
| 209 | and I just I write, you know, this moment absolutely forgiven everyone and everything that have done that. | 我只是写,你知道, 这一刻 绝对原谅了每个人和所有 已经做到这一点。 |
| 210 | But you cannot forget that, you know, you cannot forget that it stays, as I said, as a scar. | 但你不能忘记,你知道,你不能忘记,它停留,正如我所说的,是一个疤痕。 |
| 211 | But it has on a brighter side brought a lot of value to my life and a lot of appreciation for the value. | 但它在更光明的一面为我的生活带来了很多价值,也为这个价值带来了很多赞赏. |
| 212 | I felt like this experience. | 我觉得这种经历。 |
| 213 | I'm so grateful for this experience. | 我非常感激这次经历。 |
| 214 | I truly am because it has helped me to shape me into the person that I am today. | 我是真的,因为它帮助我 塑造了我今天的人。 |
| 215 | The player tennis player that I am. | 我是网球运动员 |
| 216 | It has made me hungrier for the success in tennis made me hungrier to work train build myself | 这让我更渴望网球的成功 让我更渴望在火车上锻炼自己 |
| 217 | so I can show to the world that, you know, kid from, you know, war torn country can actually be the best | 所以我可以向世界展示, 你知道,孩子 从,你知道, 战争撕裂的国家 实际上是最好的 |
| 218 | in a sport that is very global. | 在一个非常全球性的运动中。 |
| 219 | And and so that's that's what happened. | 因此,事情就是这样。 |
| 220 | But all of these experiences have definitely been there for a reason. | 但是,所有这些经验无疑是有原因的。 |
| 221 | And I I don't regret anything. | 我一点都不后悔 |
| 222 | I don't pity anything. | 我不同情任何东西。 |
| 223 | I just feel like, OK, you know, that's that's my karma. | 我只是觉得,OK,你知道, 这是我的因果。 |
| 224 | You know, that's something that I had to go through and I had to live that. | 你知道,这是一件我必须经历的事情 我不得不生活。 |
| 225 | And if we manage to get through that as not just as a family, but as people as a nation, | 如果我们成功渡过难关 不仅仅是一个家庭, 而且是作为一个民族的人, |
| 226 | you know, there's there's not much that can break you down. | 你知道,没有什么可以 打破你。 |
| 227 | So, you know, historically, you know, Serbian people and people in the region have had a lot of, | 所以,你知道,历史上,你知道, 塞尔维亚人和该地区的人 有过很多, |
| 228 | you know, hard wars and hardships and and they've been through that. | 你知道,艰苦的战争和艰难 他们已经经历过。 |
| 229 | So it's really it was really nice to see the the unity with people. | 所以,看到和人们的团结,真的很愉快。 |
| 230 | And I remember one of the I was actually talking the other day with with my brother and my wife | 我记得那天我和我哥哥和妻子谈过 |
| 231 | about still reflecting on that stay on that period and what was the strongest image | 继续思考那个时期的状态 以及最强烈的形象 |
| 232 | that stayed with us from this bombings of two and a half months in 99. | 在99年两个半月的轰炸中 一直和我们在一起 |
| 233 | And one of them for me was obviously the one that I explained to you with that with a birthday and shelters. | 其中一个是给我的 我用生日和避难所给你解释的 |
| 234 | But there was one where I remember thousands of people gathering on the bridge, | 但有一个我记得 成千上万的人聚集在桥上, |
| 235 | one of the most important bridges in our city and with shirts that have targets there. | 我们城市最重要的桥梁之一 和衬衫有目标。 |
| 236 | And everyone painted their heads with like like in a shape of a target and singing songs and, | 所有人都把头画得像靶子一样 唱着歌 |
| 237 | you know, kind of just enjoying having fun and in a way showing to the world | 你知道,那种只是享受 玩乐和一种方式向世界展示 |
| 238 | and to whoever is, you know, in a kind of kind of dropping bombs that we are the target. | 和任何一个人,你知道, 在一种投弹 我们成为目标。 |
| 239 | So we are protecting this bridge. | 所以我们在保护这座桥。 |
| 240 | We are protecting this this city. | 我们正在保护这座城市。 |
| 241 | You know, if you want to crash it, you have to go through us. | 你要是想撞到它,就得经过我们 |
| 242 | And and it was I think more than that was just that that that power of unity, | 我认为不止于此 团结的力量 |
| 243 | you know, that that energy and that strength that they just showed the resilience. | 你知道,那能量 和力量,他们只是展示 弹性。 |
| 244 | And that was beautiful, you know, in those moments of hardship. | 在那些艰难的时刻,那很美。 |
| 245 | That's incredible, man. | 真不可思议 |
| 246 | That's that's such a I've heard you tell that story. | 我听到你讲这个故事 |
| 247 | I'm sidetracked from your question. | 我和你的问题无关 |
| 248 | No, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ○[标]师曰. |
| 249 | I'm glad you did because I've heard that story before. | 我很高兴你这样做 因为我听说过这个故事。 |
| 250 | I'm glad that everyone who hasn't heard that story before has an opportunity now. | 我很高兴以前没听过这个故事的每个人都有机会了 |
| 251 | And the reason why it's so beautiful is because that's probably like most of the planet does not experience that. | 之所以如此美丽 是因为这个星球上的大部分人 可能都没有经历过这样的经历。 |
| 252 | That's that's pretty extreme. | 这是相当极端的。 |
| 253 | Yes. Right. | 对 对 |
| 254 | And so for someone like you to come from that extreme and especially what you said, | 所以像你这样的人 从那个极端, 特别是你所说的, |
| 255 | initial response was revenge for you to be able to transform that revenge into resilience. | 最初的反应是复仇 让你能够把复仇变成恢复力 |
| 256 | That's incredible because it would have been so much easier to just have that pain and have that unforgiveness. | 这太不可思议了 因为只要有那种痛苦 并且有那种不原谅 就会容易多了 |
| 257 | And so it was a great story that that I've read. | 我读过的故事很棒 |
| 258 | I'm sure it's quite popular on the social media. | 我相信这在社交媒体上相当受欢迎. |
| 259 | Everyone is sharing it was about the snake and the and the saw. | 大家分享的是蛇和锯子 |
| 260 | OK, I don't know if you came across it. | 好吧,我不知道你有没有遇到它。 |
| 261 | And, you know, the snake, it's a kind of it's true story. | 而且,你知道,蛇, 这是一种真实的故事。 |
| 262 | Actually, the snake came into the Carpenton's shop and it as it was kind of going and it got caught by a saw and the saw kind of cut it. | 其实,蛇来到卡彭顿的店里, 它在走的时候被锯子抓住,锯子把它割了。 |
| 263 | And the snake didn't realize what was happening. | 蛇没有意识到发生了什么 |
| 264 | So it went to bite to to bite the saw and it hurt itself even more. | 所以它去咬咬锯子 更伤害自己 |
| 265 | So the snake didn't know what was happening. | 于是蛇不知所终. |
| 266 | So it started going around the the saw in order to suffocate it, thinking that saw is attacking it. | 于是它开始绕着锯子走,以便窒息它,以为锯子正在攻击它. |
| 267 | So it was protecting itself. | 所以它是保护自己。 |
| 268 | And finally, snake died. | 终于,蛇死了。 |
| 269 | And and this kind of translates into life. | 而这种翻译为生命. |
| 270 | And it's so many times that we get angry or upset, you know, | 并且它是如此多次 我们生气或不安,你知道, |
| 271 | with some people thinking that we want to hurt them because we feel hurt. | 有些人认为我们想伤害他们 因为我们感到痛苦 |
| 272 | But it finally we are hurting ourselves. | 但我们终于在伤害自己 |
| 273 | And it was such a deep message that I kind of like resonated with really. | 这是一个非常深刻的信息, 我有点喜欢与真正的共鸣。 |
| 274 | And I think that kind of sums up my evolution in a way and my growth mentally of how, | 我认为,那种总结 我进化的方式 和我的成长 精神如何, |
| 275 | you know, I should deal with these particular circumstances and events that have been quite significant in my life. | 你知道,我应该处理这些 特殊的情况和事件 在我的生活中是非常重要的。 |
| 276 | And, you know, the wars and those times of, you know, hardships were definitely one of the most significant times of my life and my career, | 战争和那些困难的时代 绝对是我一生和事业中最重要的时期之一 |
| 277 | where where I experienced what it feels like to literally have ten dollars in at home in the apartment with with, | 在那里,我经历了什么感觉 真正有十块钱在家里 公寓与, |
| 278 | you know, for my father and my mother with three children to feed and having to wait in the line to get a piece of bread for hours. | 你知道,我的父亲和我的母亲 有三个孩子供养, 不得不等待在排队 得到一块面包几个小时。 |
| 279 | And and not being able to travel around the world to play tennis and tennis is expensive sport. | 而不能环游世界打网球和网球是昂贵的运动. |
| 280 | Absolutely. And, you know, you need money to pay for the racket for the tennis balls for the coach for the court. | 当然 而且,你知道,你需要钱 支付球拍 为球场教练的网球。 |
| 281 | So all of these things, you know, and they I think in the end of the day, | 所以,所有这些事情,你知道的, 和它们,我想在最后一天, |
| 282 | as I said, it brings it brings light and value to my life because, | 正如我所说 它为我的生活带来光明和价值 因为 |
| 283 | you know, I think going through all of that has made me stronger, | 你知道,我想经历这一切 已经使我更强大, |
| 284 | but at the same time made me more grateful because I understand the both extremes. | 但与此同时,让我更感恩 因为我理解这两个极端。 |
| 285 | So to say, because today I really I enjoy so much of, | 所以说,因为今天我真的很喜欢, |
| 286 | you know, success in this, you know, society and sport and I can afford many things and I'm really, really grateful for that and blessed. | 你知道,成功在这个,你知道,你知道, 社会和运动,我可以负担很多事情, 我真的,真的很感激和祝福。 |
| 287 | But I've been on the on the opposite side. | 但我一直站在对面 |
| 288 | So I think that that storyline is is really something that enriches me. | 所以,我认为,这个故事情节 真的是让我更加充实的东西。 |
| 289 | Absolutely, man. And your life story is such a beautiful message to the world. | 当然,伙计。 你的人生故事是给世界的 如此美好的信息 |
| 290 | It's a great message to the world. | 令众生得大信解. |
| 291 | Like it's incredible. | 如是不可思议. |
| 292 | I'm glad that I see when from the way I view it, you live it like a message to it's not about you. | 我很高兴从我的观点来看 你活得像条信息一样 |
| 293 | That's that's why I feel when I'm with you that it's not about you. | 故与汝同时觉此非汝. |
| 294 | It's not like I did this. | 这不是我干的。 |
| 295 | It's actually a story and a message to the world that, you know, | 这其实是一个故事和给世界的信息,你知道, |
| 296 | any child any person who is in such abject conditions can actually transform their life. | 任何处于这种悲惨状况中的人都可以改变自己的生活。 |
| 297 | So thank you for being there. | 谢谢你能来 |
| 298 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 299 | And I just feel like, you know, the message I can share from my experience and I don't want ever for people to feel that I'm preaching or anything like that. | 我只是觉得,你知道, 我从我的经验中可以分享的信息, 我不想让别人觉得我在传教之类的东西。 |
| 300 | I just feel like my experience has helped me to reach, | 我只是觉得我的经验 帮助我到达, |
| 301 | you know, certain success if you want to call it, | 你知道,某些成功 如果你想称之为, |
| 302 | you know, in both professional and private way is that there is always time for everything. | 你知道,无论是专业还是私人, 总是有时间为一切。 |
| 303 | And, you know, I'm learning myself even today how to be patient, | 而且,你知道,我正在学习自己 甚至今天如何耐心, |
| 304 | how to how to, you know, coordinate certain things in my life, | 如何协调我生命中的某些事情 |
| 305 | how to create space for the biggest quality time that I can have with my priorities, | 如何创造出我拥有最优质的空间 |
| 306 | which are my family, which is my growth. | 他们是我的家人,这是我的成长。 |
| 307 | And it's and it's a constant jungle. | 则与常丛林. |
| 308 | And you can't you can't I truly believe in balance, | 你就不能相信平衡吗? |
| 309 | but I don't believe that we can ever reach a stage and our point where we can say I'm in balance. | 但我不认为我们能达到一个阶段 和点 我们可以说我在平衡。 |
| 310 | I agree. | и種 |
| 311 | You can be in balance. | 你可以保持平衡。 |
| 312 | But the next moment you're not in balance because that's life. | 但下一瞬间你无法平衡 因为这就是生活 |
| 313 | And everything is moving and it's happening. | 一切都在动,它正在发生。 |
| 314 | So so that's that's why I feel like I mean through tennis. | 所以这就是为什么我觉得我是指网球。 |
| 315 | I have learned my, you know, biggest and hardest lessons in life. | 我学到了人生中最伟大最难的教训 |
| 316 | And I've experienced those those emotions. | 我经历过那些情绪 |
| 317 | And for me, you know, tennis court is still a field, you know, | 对我来说,网球场还是个球场 |
| 318 | where where I have a chance to grow really and I when I'm not on the tennis court, | 在那里我有机会成长 当我不在网球场, |
| 319 | I find it much easier to accomplish certain things that that I want to on a daily basis. | 我发现完成某些我每天都想完成的事情要容易得多。 |
| 320 | But then tennis court I use as exactly that platform that challenges me and challenges my ego. | 但后来我用网球场 来挑战我,挑战我的自我 |
| 321 | So I still have, for example, outbursts on the court. | 因此,我仍然有,例如, 爆发在宫廷。 |
| 322 | I break a record. | 我打破了一个记录。 |
| 323 | I scream. | 我尖叫着。 |
| 324 | I curse. | 我诅咒你 |
| 325 | I know you don't curse at all. | 我知道你根本不会诅咒 |
| 326 | And I admire that amazing that you took that bow. | 我钦佩那惊人的 你拿了弓。 |
| 327 | You got to teach me how to do that. | 你得教我怎么学 |
| 328 | And and and and so when that happens instantly, I feel like, | 然后,当它发生时,我觉得, |
| 329 | oh my God, why what did I do? | 哦,我的上帝,为什么我做了什么? |
| 330 | You know, and I have two children. | 我有两个孩子 |
| 331 | I have, you know, many children around the world are watching and and and you know, | 我,你知道, 世界上很多孩子在看着,你知道, |
| 332 | seeing what you're doing and imitating you in a way. | 看你在做什么 并模仿你的方式。 |
| 333 | So you're sending that kind of message. | 所以,你发送这种信息。 |
| 334 | So I try always to have that in back of my mind and subconscious like, | 所以我一直试图让 在我的脑后和潜意识一样, |
| 335 | OK, you know, try to do what you do best, but do it with dignity, | 好吧,你知道,试着做你最好做的, 但做它以尊严, |
| 336 | do it with style, do it, you know, with always having, you know, | 用风格做,做,你知道, 总是有,你知道, |
| 337 | that kind of inner voice telling you, you know, | 那种内心的声音告诉你,你知道, |
| 338 | there's thousands of children around the world watching you play right now | 全世界有上千个孩子 看着你踢球 |
| 339 | and absorbing like a sponge every move, everything you say, everything you do. | 和吸收像海绵 每一步,你说的一切,你所做的一切。 |
| 340 | But it's I still do it. | 但我还是这么做的 |
| 341 | I still go through this outburst. | 我还在经历这场暴动 |
| 342 | And I felt disappointed with myself for a while because of that. | 我对自己失望了一段时间,因为这样。 |
| 343 | I really felt like I was betraying myself. | 我真的觉得自己在背叛自己 |
| 344 | I was not managing to to do what I intended to do. | 我无法做我想做的事 |
| 345 | And and and then I learned about surrender. | 然后,我得知投降。 |
| 346 | And and then I learned about there is a time for everything in life. | 然后,我得知生命中的一切 都有时间 |
| 347 | And there is a reason why we have to take every step of the way in order to reach the top. | 也有一个原因,我们必须走每一步才能到达顶端。 |
| 348 | In whatever way you feel that top is for you. | 无论你觉得什么顶部都是给你的 |
| 349 | And and I and then I understood that, you know, I have to accept, | 然后我明白了 我必须接受 |
| 350 | I have to embrace, I have to channel it and understand that, | 我必须拥抱, 我必须引导它,并理解, |
| 351 | you know, I still have to work and I have to work all the way to the last day | 你知道,我还得工作 还要工作到最后一天 |
| 352 | that I that I breathe and and and I'm happy with that. | 我呼吸,我很高兴。 |
| 353 | I really feel like I managed to take that positive leap in that direction. | 我真的觉得,我成功地朝着这个方向迈出了积极的一步。 |
| 354 | What's you've touched on a few times then I want to dive into it deeply. | 你碰过几次什么,然后我想潜入其中 |
| 355 | You mentioned success reaching the top. | 你提到成功到达顶端。 |
| 356 | The world sees your success. | 世尊见汝成就. |
| 357 | The world sees your achievements. | 世尊见汝成就. |
| 358 | But in Novak Djokovic's eyes in your own eyes, | 但在诺瓦克·乔科维奇的眼里, |
| 359 | what's been your greatest success, your greatest achievement so far in your perspective? | 从你的角度讲,你最大的成就是什么? |
| 360 | It's a good question. | 善问. |
| 361 | My greatest achievement is my open mind. | 我最大的成就是我开阔的头脑 |
| 362 | I feel that with an open mind, | 我以开放的心态感到 |
| 363 | mindness type of perspective and approach to life, | 思维类型 视角和生活方式, |
| 364 | you help all the natural processes in yourself to flourish and to excel | 你帮助自己所有的自然过程 繁荣和卓越 |
| 365 | and you're embracing the natural flow of life where you have to evolve | 你拥抱着生命的自然流动 在那里你必须进化 |
| 366 | and you have to develop and you have to learn. | 并且你必须发展,你必须学习。 |
| 367 | I just if I have to define it that kind of shortly, | 我只要能马上给它下定义 |
| 368 | I would say it's just open mind because I feel the ignorance | 我会说这是开放的思维 因为我觉得无知 |
| 369 | and the close mindness and and certain convictions that that people have | 以及人们的亲密心态和信念 |
| 370 | are so strong that you know, | 如此坚固,你知道, |
| 371 | you go through throughout your whole lifetime without really allowing, | 你整个一生都不允许... |
| 372 | you know yourself to open up to the world | 你知道自己会向世界开放 |
| 373 | and learn about all these different cultures | 并了解所有这些不同的文化 |
| 374 | and things that can enrich your life and make you feel more fulfilled | 以及能够丰富你的生活 让你感觉更充实的东西 |
| 375 | and live a more fulfilled life, be more joyful, | 并且过上更加充实的生活,更加快乐, |
| 376 | have that inner peace and emotional balance and stability that we all strive to | 拥有内心的平静和情感平衡与稳定,我们都努力 |
| 377 | and I just feel with an open mind, | 我只是觉得心胸开朗 |
| 378 | you're just helping yourself and you're able to receive kind of filter | 你只是帮助自己, 你可以接受某种过滤器 |
| 379 | and then, you know, give at the same time because you know, | 然后,你知道,同时给予 因为你知道, |
| 380 | the torus field everything has to flow. | 托鲁斯球场的一切必须流淌 |
| 381 | So that's how it flows. | 故其流转. |
| 382 | But if you don't have an open mind then obviously you're everything closes up | 但是如果你没有开阔的头脑 那么很明显你就是一切了 |
| 383 | whether it's health, whether it's, you know, profession, | 不管是健康还是职业 |
| 384 | whatever it is in your life. | 无论它是什么 在你的生活中。 |
| 385 | It just kind of feels and I was there. | 它只是那种感觉 而我在那里。 |
| 386 | I was there. | 我当时在场。 |
| 387 | I don't want people to think that I know it all or whatever. | 我不想别人认为我全知道了 |
| 388 | I just feel, you know, also that I'm sharing the experiences from my process | 我只是觉得,你知道, 我分享的经验 从我的进程 |
| 389 | because I was there. | 因为我在那里。 |
| 390 | As I said, I felt, you know, resentment. | 就像我说的,我觉得,你知道, 怨恨。 |
| 391 | I felt, you know, feeling of revenge. | 我觉得,你知道, 感觉复仇。 |
| 392 | I felt hatred. | 我感觉仇恨。 |
| 393 | I did. | 没错 |
| 394 | I felt all of that. | 我感觉到这一切。 |
| 395 | We all, you know, go through that. | 我们都,你知道, 经历这一点。 |
| 396 | We all human beings. | 我们所有人都是人类。 |
| 397 | We, you know, kind of, you know, experience those kind of emotions. | 我们,你知道,那种,你知道, 体验这种情绪。 |
| 398 | But I feel with training and repetition and discipline | 但我觉得训练、重复和纪律 |
| 399 | that's obviously sport has taught me so well. | 这显然是运动 教我这么好。 |
| 400 | You can really reach anything that you truly want in desire in your life. | 你可以真正达到你生活中真正想要的 |
| 401 | And where did that open-mindedness start? | 开明从哪里开始的? |
| 402 | Like where did you start to notice that the closed mind was limiting you | 就像你从哪里开始注意到 封闭的心灵在限制你 |
| 403 | and the open mind was expanding you? | 开阔的头脑在扩张你? |
| 404 | I think very early to be honest ever since I kind of wished to play tennis | 我觉得很早才说实话 因为我想打网球 |
| 405 | when I was four or five years old and tennis was never a sport in our family. | 我四五岁的时候 网球从来就不是我们家的运动 |
| 406 | I think, you know, I kind of help also my parents to expand, you know, | 我想,你知道,我有点 帮助我的父母扩大,你知道, |
| 407 | outside of their in a way comfort zone and go into the sport or field of life | 进入他们的舒适区域 进入运动或生活领域 |
| 408 | that is completely unknown to them in a way. | 他们完全不知道这一点。 |
| 409 | And I think that, you know, I started playing tennis when I was four and a half, | 我觉得,你知道, 我开始打网球 当我四岁半, |
| 410 | I think five years old. | 我认为5岁。 |
| 411 | And before that I was skiing a lot. | 在那之前我经常滑雪 |
| 412 | And I remember even before I started to run, I was already with my dad, you know, skiing. | 我记得甚至在我开始跑步之前 我已经和我爸一起滑雪了 |
| 413 | He was carrying me and going down the slopes. | 他背着我走在山坡上 |
| 414 | And so the first sport for me was skiing. | 所以我的第一个运动是滑雪。 |
| 415 | Right. | 对 |
| 416 | And until I was, I think, nine years old, I didn't really know whether I want to ski or play tennis. | 直到9岁的时候,我还不知道是想滑雪还是打网球。 |
| 417 | I was football, soccer a little bit there, but it was mostly about skiing or tennis. | 我是足球,足球有点, 但主要是滑雪或网球。 |
| 418 | And unfortunately, I mean, we've been through all this and my father, my father asked me, | 不幸的是,我的意思是,我们已经经历了这一切 我父亲,我父亲问我, |
| 419 | I remember that day when he sat me down with my mom and he said, | 我记得那天他让我和我妈妈坐下 他说 |
| 420 | I am ready to support anything that you desire to do in your life. | 我愿意支持你这辈子想做的事 |
| 421 | And I'm here for you. | 我在这里为你。 |
| 422 | You have to tell me if it's sport. | 你得告诉我是不是运动 |
| 423 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 424 | And what sport? | 什么运动? |
| 425 | And I said, okay, give me one thing. | 我说,好吧,给我一件事。 |
| 426 | I needed to, you know, big decision. | 我需要,你知道,大决定。 |
| 427 | I mean, and then I was thinking and then I said, like, it didn't take me a long time. | 我的意思是,然后我在思考 然后我说,喜欢, 它没有花很长时间。 |
| 428 | I thought I said maybe just a little time to think. | 我想我说 也许只是一点点思考。 |
| 429 | But then after half an hour, I went to him and I said, it's tennis. | 但过了半个小时,我去找他 我说,这是网球。 |
| 430 | And he said, okay, tennis it is. | 他说,好吧,网球是。 |
| 431 | And then I think us kind of getting into this uncomfortable, unknown zone or area or field of life | 然后我觉得我们进入了 这个不舒服,未知的区域或地区或生活领域 |
| 432 | has allowed us to kind of expand all of us and also having certain mentors | 已经让我们可以扩大我们所有的人 并拥有一些导师 |
| 433 | and people that have greatly positively affected me on many levels. | 以及那些在很多方面 对我产生了积极影响的人 |
| 434 | I've mentioned my tennis mother, as I like to call her. | 我提到我的网球母亲,我喜欢叫她。 |
| 435 | I've met her when I was, I think, five, six years old. | 我五六岁的时候见过她 |
| 436 | And then I started training with her tennis camp, summer tennis camp that was coming from Belgrade, | 然后我开始训练她的网球营 夏季网球营 从贝尔格莱德来, |
| 437 | from capital city to Coponic, this place in the mountains. | 从首都到科波尼, 这个地方在山区。 |
| 438 | And then when I was, I think, six, seven, I also started having some private lessons with her in Belgrade | 当我六七岁的时候 我开始跟她在贝尔格莱德私自上课 |
| 439 | while I was going to school. | 我上学的时候 |
| 440 | And she was happy to play with me because she felt like I was very talented. | 她很高兴和我玩 因为她觉得我很有天赋 |
| 441 | And then she told my parents, she said, I really feel like you should try to give your best | 然后她告诉我的父母,她说, 我真的觉得你应该尽力 |
| 442 | to support this child to play tennis because I've never seen a bigger talent than him from Monika Selish, | 支持这个孩子打网球 因为我从未见过比他更优秀的天才 |
| 443 | who was obviously the best tennis player in the world and one of the best female tennis players of all times. | 他显然是世界上最好的网球运动员 也是有史以来最好的女子网球运动员之一 |
| 444 | And she was her coach as well. | 她也是她的教练 |
| 445 | And because Monika was born in Serbia and then she went to live in states where she is today. | 因为莫妮卡出生在塞尔维亚, 然后她去住在她今天所在的州里。 |
| 446 | And of course, my parents were like, well, if such an experienced and knowledgeable person about tennis says that, | 当然,我的父母一样,嗯, 如果这样一个有经验和知识的人 关于网球说, |
| 447 | then we should try to support our child. | 那我们应该努力支持我们的孩子 |
| 448 | So that's what happened. | 所以事情就是这样 |
| 449 | And I remember I was watching tennis practices and sessions on the fence. | 我记得我在看网球练习 和篱笆上的会话。 |
| 450 | I was climbing. I was really, really in love with the sport. | 我在爬树 我真的很爱运动 |
| 451 | I was very passionate about it. | 我很热衷于这个 |
| 452 | And she taught me about holistic approach to life, I think, already back then when I was seven, eight. | 她教会我关于生活的整体方法, 我想,早在我7,8岁的时候。 |
| 453 | She really taught me how to think about the grades in the school, the music that I listened to, | 她真的教我如何思考 学校的成绩, 我听的音乐, |
| 454 | the mindfulness that I have, the observation, the focus, the kindness, the relationship with people. | 注意我,观察,关注,善良,与人的关系。 |
| 455 | She was working in a team with my parents. | 她和我爸妈一起工作 |
| 456 | And my parents, you know, I'm really grateful for my parents because they recognized the role of a mentor very early on. | 我的父母,你知道,我非常感激我的父母, 因为他们很早就认出了导师的角色。 |
| 457 | So they kind of teamed up with her. | 所以他们跟她结了结 |
| 458 | And then, you know, I was learning a lot from my parents, obviously, and continue to learn and from my tennis mother. | 然后,你知道,我从我的父母那里学到了很多东西, 很明显,我继续从我的网球母亲那里学习。 |
| 459 | So that has helped me to, I feel like, be open minded and understand. | 因此,这帮助了我,我觉得, 开放的头脑和理解。 |
| 460 | But I obviously went through my phases and, you know, through the process of learning and those dealing with those emotions. | 但我显然经历了我的阶段, 你知道,通过学习的过程 和那些处理这些情绪的人。 |
| 461 | Although I felt when I started traveling by myself, because I was traveling with my father until I was, I think, 16 and then 17, | 虽然我开始独自旅行时感觉到 因为我和父亲一起旅行 直到我16岁 然后17岁 |
| 462 | I started having my coach. | 我开始有我的教练。 |
| 463 | And, you know, I didn't get too deep in the conversations with my dad and with my mom. | 而且,你知道,我没有太深入 与我爸和我妈妈的对话。 |
| 464 | And I felt there are some subjects that, you know, I want to talk about. | 我觉得有些话题 我想谈谈 |
| 465 | And especially in puberty and teenage years, you know, you're experiencing so many changes. | 特别是在青春期和青少年时期, 你知道,你经历了很多变化。 |
| 466 | And I was so much in tennis that I didn't really have time for other maybe school activities that my fellow friends and, | 我打网球时忙得要命 没时间参加其他的学校活动了 朋友们 |
| 467 | you know, students were going through because I was so much in tennis. | 你知道,学生们正在经历 因为我在网球。 |
| 468 | And then I started sharing so much with my coach that I remember my dad was like, why don't you share that with me? | 然后我开始和我的教练分享这么多... ...我记得我爸爸是这样的, 你为什么不和我分享? |
| 469 | Because I don't feel that I've, first of all, I've never shared those particular subjects and types of conversations with you. | 因为我不觉得,首先,我从来没有 分享这些特定的主题和类型的谈话。 |
| 470 | I don't feel we can resonate on that level. | 我觉得我们无法在那个层面产生共鸣 |
| 471 | And we tried, but it never worked out. | 我们试过了 但一直没成功 |
| 472 | So, but he was understanding that I also have to have, you know, people that are close to me and influence me on different levels. | 所以,他明白,我还必须有,你知道的, 那些接近我的人, 并且影响我的不同层次。 |
| 473 | And that's what I feel like helped me a lot to develop. | 这就是我的感受 帮助了我很多发展。 |
| 474 | And one of the things I noticed about you is also, and I'd love to get your thoughts on this. | 我注意到的关于你的事情之一也是, 我想得到你的想法。 |
| 475 | I feel like it's tough to get to the top, but it seems to be even tougher to get to the top, | 我觉得很难爬到顶端 但爬到顶端似乎更难 |
| 476 | have a slump or have a moment of challenge and then try and get back because you've experienced something. | 低迷或有一刻挑战 然后试着回去 因为你经历过一些事 |
| 477 | And it's like, I know that you've even credited your wife with her dedication to self-care and your work and what she's trained you | 就像,我知道,你甚至称赞你的妻子 她的奉献 自我照顾,你的工作 她训练你。 |
| 478 | or shared with you in journaling. | 或与你们分享日记。 |
| 479 | Tell us a bit about the process that you've taken to be at the top, have challenges and then still come back | 跟我们说说你们在顶峰 遇到挑战,然后回来的过程 |
| 480 | because everyone's been quoting, obviously, you're having the impossible come back. | 因为每个人都在引用, 显然, 你得到了不可能的回来。 |
| 481 | But you made it possible. | 但你使这成为可能。 |
| 482 | What was happening mentally, spiritually for you, not just physically, but what was happening mentally and spiritually for you? | 从精神上,精神上,你到底发生了什么? 不仅是身体上,还有精神上,精神上,精神上,精神上,精神上都发生了什么? |
| 483 | Well, first of all, to reflect on the impossible word, in the word you have, I am possible, right? | 首先,想想一想这个不可能的词, 就你所说的,我有可能,对不对? |
| 484 | So I truly, I don't believe in something is impossible. | 所以我真的不相信什么是不可能的 |
| 485 | I really believe really everything is possible as we talked about it earlier. | 我真的相信一切都是可能的 就像我们之前谈论的那样 |
| 486 | My wife has been my girlfriend for a long time, ever since I was 18. | 我妻子从18岁起就一直是我的女朋友 |
| 487 | She was 19. That's when we started dating and she used to play tennis. | 她19岁。 那时我们开始约会 她经常打网球 |
| 488 | And that's how we met. | 我们就是这样认识的 |
| 489 | And we've known each other for five years before we started dating and through tennis. | 在开始约会和网球之前,我们认识了五年。 |
| 490 | And then she went to study in Italy, in Milan. | 之后她前往意大利,米兰学习. |
| 491 | And I came at more or less the same time here in Monaco to follow my coach at the time. | 我几乎同时来到摩纳哥 跟随我的教练 |
| 492 | And I started using Monaco as a base and she came over, Milan is close to Monaco. | 我开始以摩纳哥为基地 她过来了 米兰离摩纳哥很近 |
| 493 | So she came over and that's how it all started. | 于是她过来 事情就是这样开始的 |
| 494 | And when she finished studies, she's obviously, you know, thinking she had a lot of opportunities for her own career. | 而当她完成学业时, 她显然,你知道, 认为她有很多机会 她自己的职业生涯。 |
| 495 | But she sacrificed that in order to live my career, live my dream in order to save the relationship in a way. | 但她为了活我的事业而牺牲了这一点,为了从某种意义上挽救关系而活了我的梦想. |
| 496 | So I'm very grateful for her and what she has done for our relationship and for me. | 所以我非常感激她 以及她为我们和我的感情所做的一切 |
| 497 | And I keep on continue to learn from her so much. | 我继续从她那里学到很多东西 |
| 498 | She introduced me to yoga, actually. | 她让我认识瑜伽 |
| 499 | Back in the days when she was studying, she is a huge reader. | 在她学习的年代, 她是一个巨大的读者。 |
| 500 | She likes to read everything and anything and she likes to write as well. | 她喜欢看所有的东西 她也喜欢写作 |
| 501 | And she was big on journaling all the time. | 她一直很擅长日记 |
| 502 | And I remember when I was quite young from my tennis mother and from my parents, | 我记得我年轻的时候 从网球母亲和父母那里 |
| 503 | I learned how to kind of write and have specific things that I want to share on the paper. | 我学会了如何写作, 并有具体的东西 我想在报纸上分享。 |
| 504 | I did it, you know, kind of like what I'm grateful for and things like that, which was nice. | 我做到了,你知道, 有点像什么 我感激和类似的事情, 这是很好的。 |
| 505 | But then I lost that. I didn't do it for many years. | 但后来我失去了那个。 我多年没做过了 |
| 506 | And then she reminded me of that. | 然后她让我想起了这一点。 |
| 507 | So I started doing it again. | 所以我又开始这么做了。 |
| 508 | And it felt great because I felt like I could release a lot of things that were tensing me up. | 感觉很棒,因为我觉得我可以释放出很多让我兴奋的东西。 |
| 509 | Through journaling, through writing, exactly. | 通过日记, 通过写作, 正是。 |
| 510 | But also through yoga, you know, she learned about it because she was so stressed during her studies. | 也通过瑜伽,你知道,她知道这一点, 因为她在学习期间压力很大。 |
| 511 | She spent a whole day obviously studying with books and, you know, student life isn't easy. | 她花了一整天的学习 书籍,你知道,学生的生活是不容易的。 |
| 512 | So she was looking into ways how she can relax herself, get more energy. | 她正在研究如何放松 获得更多的能量 |
| 513 | And, you know, she was not drinking coffee or any of these things. | 而且,你知道, 她没有喝咖啡或任何这些东西。 |
| 514 | So she came into yoga and she was sharing it with me. | 于是她进入瑜伽 和我分享它。 |
| 515 | So I started doing it with her, you know, the whole breathing, pranayama, the sun salutations and everything. | 于是我开始和她做, 你知道,整个呼吸, 棱山,太阳的赞美和一切。 |
| 516 | And ever since then, we've been doing obviously some form of yoga, you know, on a daily basis. | 从那时起,我们每天都在做某种形式的瑜伽。 |
| 517 | And, you know, she's been a very, very significant integral part of my life and my evolution. | 而且,你知道,她一直是我生命和进化过程中 一个非常重要的组成部分。 |
| 518 | And what I'm really grateful for is that not only that we truly love each other and we are very transparent and honest, | 我真正感激的是 我们不仅真正爱对方 而且我们非常透明和诚实 |
| 519 | but also that we have help from the universe to actually be in a very similar state of consciousness in certain phases of our lives. | 而且我们得到了来自宇宙的帮助 在生活中的某些阶段 处于一个非常相似的意识状态 |
| 520 | So we can help each other learn better and grow faster in certain areas that we choose that are, you know, part of those particular periods. | 所以我们可以互相帮助,更好地学习, 更快地成长, 在某些我们选择的领域, 你知道,这些特定时期的一部分。 |
| 521 | So I think she would agree that when we became parents four years ago, | 所以我想她会同意 当我们成为父母四年前, |
| 522 | that has completely shifted our world, you know, upside down. | 这完全改变了我们的世界, 你知道,颠倒。 |
| 523 | Up to that moment, we were also spiritual, but, you know, still quite basic comparing to what has happened after that. | 直到那一刻,我们也是精神上的, 但是,你知道,与之后发生的事情相比, 还是相当基本的。 |
| 524 | And we truly believe that our kids are our masters and our teachers. | 我们坚信我们的孩子是我们的主人和老师。 |
| 525 | And then they come to this life to bring bring lessons for us and bring help for us to understand a lot of things about ourselves and the deeper levels and what we have to work on, | 然后他们来到这一生 给我们带来教训 并给我们带来帮助 了解很多关于我们自己的事情 更深层次 |
| 526 | which is quite contrary to what, you know, in a way, society thinks, which is like we are teaching them, which we are, of course. | 这完全违背了,你知道,在某种程度上, 社会认为, 这就像我们正在教他们, 我们当然是。 |
| 527 | But, you know, actually, I've been talking with her a lot about that. | 但是,你知道,实际上, 我和她谈了很多关于这一点。 |
| 528 | And now we have a baby girl that is one year old and she was mentioning she's a healer. | 现在我们有一个一岁的女婴 她提到她是一个治愈者。 |
| 529 | She really is. She brings that kind of energy to this world. | 痷琌 她给这个世界带来了那种能量。 |
| 530 | And she has, I mean, skyrocketed our attention for the moments, for, you know, the consciousness, the awareness about everything. | 她已经,我的意思是, 我们的注意力飙升 的时刻, 你知道,意识, 对一切的认识。 |
| 531 | I mean, even more. And we're like, oh, my God, you know, there's another level, there's another level. | 我是说,甚至更多。 我们就像,哦,我的上帝, 你知道,有另一个关卡,有另一个关卡。 |
| 532 | So we, you know, we help each other grow. | 所以我们互相帮助成长 |
| 533 | And I think we it's I'm really grateful that I can share with her literally everything and anything that I'm interested in that I'm going through. | 我想,我们真的很感激 我可以和她分享所有东西 和任何我感兴趣的东西 |
| 534 | And, you know, she she has been always the shoulder to lean on. | 而且,你知道,她总是 肩倚。 |
| 535 | And she has always been there. | 她一直都在身边 |
| 536 | And tough moments for me in my career when I was going through an injury recently and had to take six months break from the tennis. | 我职业生涯中的艰难时刻 最近我受伤了 不得不从网球休息半年 |
| 537 | And then when I came back, I was like questioning whether I should keep on playing on that level or not. | 然后当我回来时,我就像在质疑我是否应该继续按那种水平演奏。 |
| 538 | And I was just going through, you know, just going through hard work inside. | 我只是经历,你知道, 只是经历艰苦的工作 内部。 |
| 539 | And then she, you know, she was there and she helped me to overcome all of that. | 然后她,你知道, 她在那里, 她帮助我克服这一切。 |
| 540 | Of course, with alongside with help of some life spiritual teachers that I have that I can speak about a little bit. | 当然,除了一些精神老师的帮助之外,我还有一点可以谈。 |
| 541 | 特别是两个家伙 Jose Pepe Imaz和Jarko Ilic | |
| 542 | Jose Pepe is from from Spain and Jarko is from from Serbia. | 何塞·佩佩来自西班牙,雅尔科来自塞尔维亚. |
| 543 | And they I consider them really as my spiritual and life teachers, my masters that I've learned a lot from. | 我把他们视为我的精神和生命的老师, 我的大师们,我学到了很多。 |
| 544 | And back in, I think, 2010 or 11, I've met Jarko about seven, eight years ago. | 回到2010年或11年, 我认识了约7,8年前的Jarko。 |
| 545 | And I met him through my wife, actually, because my wife had a friend that knew him. | 我通过我妻子认识他 因为我妻子有个朋友认识他 |
| 546 | And that's how we got into it. | 这就是我们如何进入它。 |
| 547 | He's he's a reiki healer, but he's much more than that. | 他虽然是利基疗法家,但远不止于此. |
| 548 | And, you know, he helped a lot both my wife and I to, again, open our mind even more to understand how we can have internal conversations with ourselves. | 而且,你知道,他帮助了很多 我的妻子和我,再次, 打开我们的头脑 更理解我们如何可以进行内部对话 与我们自己。 |
| 549 | Because I didn't know how to do it. | 因为我不知道怎么做 |
| 550 | I didn't know how to verbalize my emotions. | 我不知道怎么表达我的情绪 |
| 551 | And that's where my wife was ahead of me. | 那是我妻子在我前面的地方。 |
| 552 | And that's where we struggled in our relationship because she was trying to dig things out for me and make me share more. | 那是我们关系里挣扎的地方 因为她想为我挖东西 让我分享更多 |
| 553 | But I wasn't able to do that because I didn't know how. | 但我做不到,因为我不知道怎么做 |
| 554 | She's like, speak to me. | 她喜欢,跟我说话。 |
| 555 | What do you feel? | 你感觉如何? |
| 556 | I'm like, I don't know. | 我很喜欢,我不知道。 |
| 557 | I feel something. | 我感觉到了一些东西。 |
| 558 | I just don't. | 我只是没有。 |
| 559 | And so I think Jarko was was very helpful in that. | 所以我认为Jarko在这方面很有帮助。 |
| 560 | And and and sounds like everyone needs that everyone. | 而且听起来每个人都需要 |
| 561 | Yeah, I mean, everyone needs that, of course. | 是啊,我的意思是,每个人都需要,当然。 |
| 562 | But I think, you know, there's this great saying, you know, when the when the when the student is ready, the teacher will come. | 但我想,你知道,有一个伟大的说法, 你知道,当学生准备好的时候, 老师会来。 |
| 563 | So I felt that the first initial step I needed to do, I needed to decide in my mind and internally that, | 所以我觉得第一步我需要做, 需要在我的思想和内部决定, |
| 564 | OK, this is exactly what I need for my heart, for my soul, for my for my growth. | 好吧,这正是我需要的 我的心,我的灵魂,我成长。 |
| 565 | This is the priority. | 这是当务之急。 |
| 566 | I have to learn how to manage myself, my emotions, how to not just to be a better tennis player, but to be a better human being. | 我必须学会如何管理自己,我的情绪, 如何不只是成为一个更好的网球运动员, 而是成为一个更好的人。 |
| 567 | And and so so then the teacher appeared, obviously. | 老师显然出现了。 |
| 568 | And then after that, obviously, I start to expand my my awareness and observation of the world. | 之后,显然,我开始扩大我对世界的认识和观察。 |
| 569 | And then I run into Pepe, who is very close person and also a spiritual life teacher to my brother Marco. | 然后我碰到了佩佩,他是非常亲近的人,也是我哥哥马可的精神生活老师. |
| 570 | And they live in the same place. | 并诸众生. |
| 571 | Actually, Marco, my brother, went to live in Spain because of Pepe. | 其实,我哥哥马可因为佩佩而去西班牙居住. |
| 572 | And Pepe's whole philosophy of life is love and peace. | 而佩佩的整个人生哲学是爱与和平. |
| 573 | And and he brought that kind of energy into our lives, the perception of love and peace, what it really means. | 他给我们的生活带来了那种能量, 爱与和平的感知, 真正的意义。 |
| 574 | And at the beginning, I I was actually not really. | 一开始,我其实不是真的 |
| 575 | Supportive, I must say, of my brother, because he started doing that before me. | 我必须说,支持我弟弟 因为他在我之前就开始这么做了 |
| 576 | He started going through this whole process of learning with with Pepe. | 他开始经历与佩佩学习的整个过程. |
| 577 | And he moved to Spain so he can be closer to him because he felt deep inside that something is very important that he has to address. | 他搬到了西班牙,这样他就能更接近他,因为他觉得内心深处的东西非常重要,他必须处理。 |
| 578 | And I just I didn't get it at that time. | 我只是当时没拿到 |
| 579 | I thought, well, you know, you have to because he was playing professional tennis. | 我想,嗯,你知道, 你必须这样做,因为他打职业网球。 |
| 580 | I was like, you can't really, you know, just love and peace. | 我当时想,你不能真的, 你知道,只是爱与和平。 |
| 581 | You know, you have to kind of like go back and train and this have this mindset. | 你知道,你必须有点像 回去训练,这有这种心态。 |
| 582 | If you're love and peace on the court, the other guy will beat you. | 如果你是爱与和平的法庭, 另一个家伙会打败你。 |
| 583 | And this is what it comes down to, you know, in sports. | 体育领域就是这样。 |
| 584 | And he was like, listen, he's like, I understand. | 他就像,听着,他就像,我理解。 |
| 585 | But I trust me, I have to go through this and I just feel that this is my growth. | 但我相信我,我必须经历这个, 我只是觉得这是我的成长。 |
| 586 | I didn't I didn't understand it at the time. | 我当时不理解 |
| 587 | And then I but I was attracted to because I felt that his energy was amazing. | 然后我却被吸引 因为我觉得他的能量惊人 |
| 588 | And you can never get upset with him. | 你永远不能对他生气 |
| 589 | You know, you speak to him. He's like you. | 你知道,你跟他说话。 他跟你一样 |
| 590 | You know, you he always smiles and everything, you know, even when we had tough conversations, | 你知道,你他总是笑 和一切,你知道, 即使我们有艰难的对话, |
| 591 | he always smiles and because he always prays inside and sends you love. | 他总是微笑着,因为他总是在内心祈祷,并给你送去爱。 |
| 592 | And for that, he had to work and still continues to work. | 为此,他不得不继续工作。 |
| 593 | I mean, immensely. | 我的意思是,巨大的。 |
| 594 | And I didn't understand what he kept on emphasizing inner work, inner growth, inner work, inner growth, universal love. | 我不知道他一直强调什么 内在工作,内在成长,内在成长,内在成长,普世爱情。 |
| 595 | I really didn't really get it. | 我真的没有真正得到它。 |
| 596 | You know, and then and then then obviously this whole energy attracted my wife | 你知道,然后,然后,然后 很明显,这整个能量吸引了我的妻子 |
| 597 | and I and we connected with Pepe and with my brother and different levels. | 我和我们和佩佩 以及我弟弟和不同级别的人有联系 |
| 598 | And and today, you know, obviously we understand, you know, what what he truly what he truly means because we embraced that work. | 而今天,你知道,很明显,我们理解,你知道, 他真正意味着什么,因为我们接受了这项工作。 |
| 599 | Yes. And we have to do it daily. | 对 我们必须每天做。 |
| 600 | Yes. And I just wanted to shortly reflect on on that inner work for the purpose or goal. | 对 我只是想尽快思考一下 内在工作的目的或目标。 |
| 601 | My goal for the inner work up to not a while ago was tennis. | 我不久前的内线工作目标是网球。 |
| 602 | And that and I the feeling inside and call it ego, whatever has drawn me to that sensation of I need to do this because that will help me play better tennis. | 我内心的这种感觉 称之为自我, 不管是什么吸引了我 那种感觉,我需要这样做,因为这会帮助我打更好的网球。 |
| 603 | But it didn't resonate something. | 但它没有产生共鸣 |
| 604 | I was living a successful life, but not fulfilled. | 我过着成功的生活,但是没有完成 |
| 605 | Yes. If you know what I mean. | 对 如果你明白我的意思的话 |
| 606 | Yeah. And and there was something wrong with that. | 对 并有 的东西错了。 |
| 607 | I just felt I I felt the answers of that truth and the essence and what it really means to to to do that on daily basis for yourself and your growth as a human being and not just as a tennis player or doctor or whatever. | 我只是觉得,我感觉到了真理的答案 和本质, 以及它真正意味着每天这样做 对于你自己和你的成长 作为一个人,而不是仅仅作为一个网球运动员或医生什么的。 |
| 608 | But I it wasn't it was weaker comparing to the other side, which was since I was seven, I'm going I dreamed of being number one of the world. | 但我和另一边相比并不是比较弱, 那时我七岁起,我梦想成为世界第一。 |
| 609 | That's my ambition. | 这是我的野心。 |
| 610 | That's my lifetime goal. | 那是我一生的目标 |
| 611 | I have to fulfill it when I fulfilled it in 2011. | 我必须在2011年完成它。 |
| 612 | I kept on going. | 我继续前进。 |
| 613 | I just I want to be more grand slam. | 我只是想成为更伟大的打击。 |
| 614 | I have more grand slam trophies. | 我有更多的大奖杯。 |
| 615 | I want to be number one for as long as I can. | 我想成为第一,只要我能。 |
| 616 | It just kept going. | 它只是继续。 |
| 617 | And I believe that from my experience, you need goals and objectives, you know, and it but you need to balance that with, you know, what is truly the most important work, which is the inner work. | 我认为,根据我的经验, 你需要目的和目标,你知道的, 但它需要平衡 与,你知道, 什么是真正的最重要的工作, 这是内在的工作。 |
| 618 | Yes. | 对 |
| 619 | And and I didn't get it up to up to a while ago, to be honest. | 老实说,我还没到不久前 |
| 620 | And that's when I start to get it. | 而从此我开始得到它。 |
| 621 | And that's when I start to understand the message from Pepe. | 这时我开始理解Pepe的消息。 |
| 622 | He was whatever you do, you do it with excitement with joy with passion. | 他无论你做什么, 你做它 兴奋和快乐 和激情。 |
| 623 | But at the same time, never forget about what you have to do before during and after that, which is a much, much bigger work and longer work. | 但与此同时,永远不要忘记你在这之前和之后必须做的事情,这是一个大得多的工作和更长的工作. |
| 624 | And and not now. | 而今则不然. |
| 625 | Now I do truly understand that. | 现在我真的明白了。 |
| 626 | Give us give us a so for anyone who's listening and they're like, no, like I'm like you. | 给我们一个这样的,任何人谁在听 他们喜欢,不,像我喜欢你。 |
| 627 | I don't get it. | I么则不解. |
| 628 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 629 | You know, because so many people today, I feel like spirituality energy. | 你知道,因为今天这么多人, 我觉得精神能量。 |
| 630 | All of these words are flying around the internet. | 这些话都在网络上流传 |
| 631 | People are talking about it. | 众说纷纭. |
| 632 | But there's so many people that didn't get it explained to us in your own way in the way you see it. | 但有这么多人 没有得到解释 用你自己的方式,你看到了它。 |
| 633 | What is inner work and what inner work you do what you were saying that before that during that after that has helped you not just in tennis. | 内在的工作是什么? 内在的工作是什么? 内在的工作是什么? |
| 634 | You've talked so in reflected so wonderfully on this and so many of your videos about the habits about addictions that we have the whole day | 你这样说话 反映的如此精彩 和很多视频 关于习以为常的瘾 我们有一整天 |
| 635 | passes by. | 路过 |
| 636 | We don't even remember a single moment in the day because we've just been distracted the whole time. | 我们甚至不记得一天中的某一刻,因为我们一直被分心. |
| 637 | So, you know, if we are learned and trained to be distracted, that's how, you know, our life is going to unfold. | 所以,你知道,如果我们是 学习和训练 被分心, 这就是我们的生活将如何展开。 |
| 638 | We are going to be distracted. | 我们要分心了 |
| 639 | But if we train ourselves to be present and more aware, then obviously we're shifted the attention of the subconscious and all the internal | 但是,如果我们训练自己 在场和更多的意识, 那么很明显,我们转移 注意力 潜意识和所有的内部 |
| 640 | external energies and nature and everything into that, you know, in a simplified way work on the habits, right? | 外部能量和自然 以及所有的东西,你知道, 简化的方式工作 在习惯,对不对? |
| 641 | I mean, I have, you know, still some habits that need working on, you know, and, you know, you know, for example, the phone, right? | 我的意思是,我还有,你知道, 一些习惯需要努力, 你知道,你知道,你知道,你知道, 比如,电话,对不对? |
| 642 | That that is so addictive and you get into Instagram that I, by the way, love. | 这太令人上瘾了,你进入Instagram 我,顺便说一句,爱。 |
| 643 | It's great. | 赞曰. |
| 644 | Fantastic. | 厉害 |
| 645 | It's how we connect. | 这就是我们联系的方式。 |
| 646 | It's how we get angry. | 这就是我们如何生气。 |
| 647 | Yeah, but but if you let it become your master, then that's how it's going to be. | 是的,但如果你让它成为你的主人, 那么它会是这样的。 |
| 648 | And you're going to be distracted. | 你会分心的 |
| 649 | You're going to feel lack of energy. | 你会觉得缺乏能量。 |
| 650 | You're going to feel lack of inner peace. | 你会觉得缺乏内心平静 |
| 651 | You're going to feel upset. | 你会感到难过的。 |
| 652 | You know, you're going to have a short breath, you know, all these different things. | 你知道,你会有一个短暂的呼吸, 你知道,所有这些不同的东西。 |
| 653 | And that reflects on relationships that reflects on, you know, your performance at your work or whatever you're doing. | 这反映了你在工作中的表现 或你正在做的事情。 |
| 654 | And and for me, I try to okay, try to think inside. | 对我而言,我试着去思考一下 |
| 655 | Okay, what am I doing right on the tennis court? | 好吧,我在网球场上做什么? |
| 656 | How can I translate that and off the tennis court interesting and on tennis court? | 我怎么能在网球场和网球场上翻译? |
| 657 | What I'm doing right is complete 100% focus and presence of mind and body and everything. | 我所做的是完全100%的专注 以及身心和一切 |
| 658 | Discipline working towards objective organ organized preparing myself. | 向客观机构工作的纪律 组织我准备。 |
| 659 | This is a big thing. | 这是件大事 |
| 660 | I feel you know, if you fail to prepare you prepare yourself to fail. | 我觉得你知道,如果你没有准备好 你准备自己失败。 |
| 661 | Right. | 对 |
| 662 | So preparation is a huge thing. | 准备是件大事 |
| 663 | I mean, at least in my world for tennis, it has helped me a lot because I don't want to put a number on it, | 我的意思是,至少在我的世界 对于网球, 它已经帮助了我很多 因为我不想加一个数字, |
| 664 | but let's say 80% to 90% of the match that you won, for example, or any success that you have. | 但是,让我们说80%到90%的比赛 你赢得,例如, 或任何你的成功。 |
| 665 | Before you stepped on the court. | 在你上法庭之前 |
| 666 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 667 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 668 | How you do your homework for, you know, in my instance, you know, obviously working on all my strengths and weaknesses, | 你是如何做你的功课的,你知道, 以我为例,你知道, 很明显,工作 我的长处和弱点, |
| 669 | preparing myself physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually for the match that is coming up. | 准备在身体上,精神上,情感上,精神上 为即将到来的比赛做准备。 |
| 670 | I have the whole short term and long term plan. | 我有整个短期和长期计划。 |
| 671 | How can I get from from here to there in a shortest time? | 我怎么能在最短的时间内从这里到那里? |
| 672 | Those type of things. | 那种东西 |
| 673 | And then, you know, obviously doing your homework on the guy on the opponent that you're playing against where you're going to play the stadium, | 然后,你知道,很明显,做你的功课 的家伙在对手,你玩 你要去踢球场, |
| 674 | the crowd, the weather, you know, it's the it's really whole homework that you have to do in order before you get in. | 人群,天气,你知道, 这是真正的全 家庭作业,你必须做 在你进入之前秩序。 |
| 675 | And then you win a tennis match. | 然后你赢得网球比赛. |
| 676 | And then it's not only about the tennis match. | 之后不仅与网球比赛有关. |
| 677 | It's 80 90% of the work that you do be prior to that. | 这是8090%的工作 你做之前。 |
| 678 | So that's why I believe, you know, preparation is a big, big thing working on the habits. | 因此,我认为, 准备是一件大事情 工作习惯。 |
| 679 | You know, the science says that you need 20, what, two or three days that you can, you know, shift, you know, from bad habit to a healthy habit. | 你知道,科学说 你需要20,什么,两三天 你可以,你知道, 转变,你知道,从不良习惯到健康习惯。 |
| 680 | So we need persistency. | 所以我们需要坚持不懈。 |
| 681 | We need discipline. | 我们需要纪律。 |
| 682 | You know, we need we need repetition. | 我们需要重复。 |
| 683 | And Bruce Lipton that I also like to listen to a lot. | 还有布鲁斯·利普顿 我也很喜欢听很多 |
| 684 | He was talking about subconscious, right? | 他说的是潜意识,对吧? |
| 685 | And how subconscious is controlling probably 90 95% of our everyday life. | 潜意识是如何控制 我们日常生活的9095%。 |
| 686 | So if we can feed our subconscious with the information that is going to allow us to excel and to live life that we want to, | 所以,如果我们能提供我们的潜意识 信息,让我们 卓越和生活,我们希望, |
| 687 | then that's what's going to happen because your subconscious doesn't know what's good for you or bad for you. | 那么,这就是会发生什么 因为你的潜意识不知道什么是对你好或坏。 |
| 688 | It just knows what you tell them. | 它知道你告诉他们什么。 |
| 689 | Yes. | 对 |
| 690 | And there's the seeds that you plant. | 还有你种的种子 |
| 691 | So so he was talking about, you know, there are two ways to kind of hack your subconscious, | 所以,他在谈论,你知道, 有两种方式 黑入你的潜意识, |
| 692 | which is hypnosis, which happens from, you know, until, you know, you're seven years old and and then repetition. | 这是催眠, 发生在,你知道, 直到,你知道,你7岁 然后重复。 |
| 693 | So that's why I mean, my wife and I are very passionate for the preschool education and early childhood development until you're six or seven years old. | 这就是为什么我的意思是,我的妻子和我非常热衷于学前教育和幼儿发展,直到你六七岁。 |
| 694 | It's most vast brain growth. | 最广大脑增长. |
| 695 | And that's where, you know, the fundamentals and the foundation of your life is set. | 这就是,你知道,你生活的基本原理和基础就在这里。 |
| 696 | And and that's where, you know, Bruce was talking about it really beautifully and it made sense. | 布鲁斯说得非常漂亮,很合理。 |
| 697 | And and then after you're seven, it's repetition. | 后于七后复说. |
| 698 | It's discipline. | 这是纪律。 |
| 699 | Okay, I'm switching off all my phones after a certain hour. | 好吧,我关闭所有我的电话 在一个小时后。 |
| 700 | I'm, you know, doing my praying work because I believe in the invisible world. | 我在做祷告工作 因为我相信隐形世界 |
| 701 | Science proves quantum science talks about it where the most distance points are actually one in a split second. | 科学证明量子科学谈论它的地方 距离最远的点其实是一分之一秒。 |
| 702 | And and we all have proven that. | 我们都证明了这一点。 |
| 703 | And so you just need to really believe it in order to achieve it. | 所以,你只需要真正相信它,以便实现它。 |
| 704 | And, you know, where your attention, you know, where your attention goes, the energy flows. | 和,你知道,你的注意力, 你知道,你的注意力到哪里去, 能量流动。 |
| 705 | And and I think it all starts with open mind and you have to I think with a question. | 我想一切都是从开阔的头脑开始的 你必须用一个问题来思考 |
| 706 | It's always so great to ask yourself questions. | 问自己问题总是那么棒 |
| 707 | Who am I? | 我是谁? |
| 708 | Why I'm here? | 为什么我在这里? |
| 709 | What I want to do? | 我想怎么办? |
| 710 | What I want to become? | 我想成为什么样的人? |
| 711 | What I want? | 我想怎样? |
| 712 | Yeah, just all these questions put on the paper, write it down, go through, you know, in your mind through that whatever your method is, but you just have to address it. | 是的,只是所有这些问题 放在报纸上,写下来, 经历,你知道,在你的脑海里 通过你的方法是什么, 但你只需要解决它。 |
| 713 | If you don't address it, you're going to go about the same things that you went about. | 如果你不处理它,你会去 与你过去一样的事情。 |
| 714 | And then you're going to get the same outcome that you don't desire. | 后得如来无所求果报. |
| 715 | So I feel like that kind of awareness about that just helps, you know, helps learn. | 所以我觉得那种意识 有助于学习。 |
| 716 | And, you know, I'm learning from you so much on a daily basis as well, because, you know, I obviously follow your work and and there are so many great messages out there. | 而且,你知道,我每天都从你那里学到很多东西, 因为,你知道,我显然跟随你的工作, 有很多伟大的信息。 |
| 717 | And I feel like this is the time where we can expand our consciousness and get closer to what we are. | 我觉得这时候我们可以 扩大我们的意识, 更接近我们是什么。 |
| 718 | Because, you know, the two most important and all this probably questions on this planet ever since the existence of humans is, you know, who we are and why we are here. | 因为,你知道,这两个最重要的问题 和所有这些问题 可能在这个星球上 自从人类的存在,你知道, 我们是谁,为什么我们在这里。 |
| 719 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 720 | So I think also the truth seeking element in part is also quite important in that. | 因此,我认为,寻求真相的部分内容在这方面也很重要。 |
| 721 | I mean, I consider myself a truth seeker. | 我的意思是,我认为自己是一个寻求真理的人。 |
| 722 | I like to, you know, try to dig even deeper and deeper and deeper and understand who we are. | 我喜欢,你知道,尝试挖 更深和深 和了解我们是谁。 |
| 723 | You know, why are we here? | 我们为什么在这里? |
| 724 | Is this a planet? | 这是行星吗? |
| 725 | Is this a realm? | 这是王国吗? |
| 726 | What is it? | 这是什么? |
| 727 | You know, is this a matrix? | 你知道,这是一个矩阵? |
| 728 | Is it not? | 是吗? |
| 729 | You know, I think it's it's important to ask these questions and get and do your research and dig deep into that. | 你知道,我认为这是很重要的 问这些问题 得到和做你的研究 深挖。 |
| 730 | Because, you know, I think it all comes down to, you know, whether you are your own master or or not. | 因为,你知道,我觉得这一切 归根结底,你知道, 无论你是你自己的主人与否。 |
| 731 | So I think if you are your own master, then it allows you to take actions the way you want them rather than, you know, I love the Jim Quick that I also like very much. | 所以我认为如果你是你自己的主人, 那么它允许你按照你想要的方式采取行动, 而不是,你知道,我喜欢吉姆·奎克,我也很喜欢他。 |
| 732 | And he he talks about the thermostat and thermometer. | 他谈到了温度计和温度计。 |
| 733 | So don't be the thermostat, but be the thermometer. | 所以不要做恒温器,而是做温度计。 |
| 734 | Set your temperature set. | 设定温度 |
| 735 | You set the temperature of the room and you set it up the way you wanted it. | 你设定了房间的温度,并按自己的意愿设置. |
| 736 | And thermostat, if you set it, then you have to adjust. | 和自动调温器,如果你设置它, 那么你必须调整。 |
| 737 | So it's reactive. | 故曰反应. |
| 738 | And I think it's such a such a great wisdom. | 我认为它是如此伟大的智慧。 |
| 739 | Yeah, great advice, man. | 是啊,伟大的建议,男人。 |
| 740 | I loved what you were saying earlier. | 我喜欢你刚才说的话 |
| 741 | That's that's great advice. | 这是伟大的建议。 |
| 742 | And I hope everyone's listening is is taking notes. | 我希望大家的听 是在做笔记。 |
| 743 | But that what you said earlier, I loved you said that for a long time you believed ego is the enemy. | 但是,你刚才说的,我爱你 说,很长一段时间 你相信自我是敌人。 |
| 744 | Yes. | 对 |
| 745 | And then now you've started to understand that actually the ego has to be befriended. | 现在,你开始明白 自我必须交朋友。 |
| 746 | Yes. | 对 |
| 747 | And I thought I was I couldn't agree with you more. | 我以为我不能再同意你了 |
| 748 | I couldn't agree with you more. | 我完全同意你的观点 |
| 749 | Sometimes I believe the ego is like a perfect mirror to yourself in the self that you don't want. | 有时候我相信自我就像一个完美的镜子 在你自己,你不希望。 |
| 750 | But at least it starts teaching you that ego can teach you so much if you're aware of it. | 但至少它开始教你, 自我可以教你这么多 如果你意识到它。 |
| 751 | So I want to hear your perception on how you've been switching between ego is the enemy to actually befriending the ego. | 所以我想听听你对自我的认知 是如何在自我之间转换的 才是真正的朋友。 |
| 752 | Well, this is you've got every reason to have a big ego. | 这就是你有理由自大的原因 |
| 753 | You've got every reason and you're not you're very humble person, but you've got every reason. | 你有各种理由,你并不是非常谦卑的人,但你有各种理由. |
| 754 | And I don't have it. | 而无我身. |
| 755 | And I do have it. | 我确实有 |
| 756 | And this is this is the point. | 这就是重点。 |
| 757 | I didn't understand it at the time and we talked about it a little bit. | 当时我不明白,我们聊了一会儿 |
| 758 | And as you reflected, I do have a big ego. | 正如你所反映,我有一个很大的自我。 |
| 759 | But I have to embrace it and learn how to be friended and deal with it in a ways that that I'm going to work and team up with my ego rather than I'm going to be an enemy of my ego because then again, I'm reacting. | 但我必须拥抱它,学会如何交朋友和处理 它的方式,我的工作和团队 与我的自我,而不是成为我的自我的敌人 因为,再次,我的反应。 |
| 760 | Then ego can, you know, persuade you and do different things and mask, you know, certain things is so smart and witty. | 然后,自我可以,你知道,说服你, 做不同的事情和面具, 你知道,某些事情是那么聪明和机智。 |
| 761 | And then you have to react. | 然后,你必须反应。 |
| 762 | And then you have to just kind of like try to try to handle and juggle with so many things instead of hey, let's team up. | 然后,你必须尝试尝试 处理和玩弄这么多的东西 而不是嘿嘿,让我们组队。 |
| 763 | You're inside of me. | 你在我体内。 |
| 764 | I'm you. | и碞琌 |
| 765 | You're me. | 汝等为我. |
| 766 | Okay, let's figure this out. | 好吧,让我们想清楚。 |
| 767 | How can we work together? | 我们如何合作? |
| 768 | And you kind of have to, you know, please it. | 你必须,你知道,请。 |
| 769 | And at the same time, you have to control it. | 同时 你必须控制它 |
| 770 | And even though I don't really like the word control, I still feel like, you know, if you if you create your controlled environment, it's going to be better off for you in your life. | 虽然我不太喜欢控制这个词, 但我还是觉得,如果你创造出控制的环境, 你的生活会更好。 |
| 771 | Yeah, I've got so what I what I finish off with every interview is called my final five. | 是啊,我有,所以我结束的 每一次采访 是我的最后五个。 |
| 772 | So the five the fast five. | 故五者斋五. |
| 773 | So these are fast five questions. | 因此,这是快速的五个问题。 |
| 774 | Yes, they have to answer. | 是的,他们必须回答。 |
| 775 | So the first question I was going to answer is what's the first thing that you do every morning? | 所以我要回答的第一个问题是 你每天早上做的第一件事是什么? |
| 776 | First thing that I do every morning is prayer. | 我每天早上做的第一件事就是祈祷。 |
| 777 | Beautiful second question. | 美丽的第二个问题。 |
| 778 | What do you pray for first? | 你首先祈祷什么? |
| 779 | I express my gratitude for for my body for myself for the opportunity to continue my evolution as a multidimensional being in this realm. | 我感谢我的身躯,感谢自己有机会继续我作为一个多层面的这个领域的发展。 |
| 780 | I I'm grateful for my family. | 感恩眷属. |
| 781 | I'm grateful for being able to have my senses and to have big bed and to have the most beautiful sunrise every morning. | 感谢能有感应,能有大床,每天早上能有最美丽的日出. |
| 782 | It's amazing. Third, how do you make sure that your energy is where you want it to be spiritually internally? | 不可思议. 第三,如何确保你的能量是 精神内在的地方? |
| 783 | Continuing to work on the things that we talked about. | 继续研究我们谈论的事情。 |
| 784 | So aside of the physical work and tennis and duties as a father and a husband, | 除了体力工作、网球 以及父亲和丈夫的职责之外 |
| 785 | I need to get in daily something in my self care work, whether it's only a meditation or it's a two minute breathing prayer, whatever it is. | 我需要每天得到一些东西 在我的自我护理工作, 无论是只是冥想 还是两分钟的呼吸祷告, 不管是什么。 |
| 786 | Sometimes it's only that because you don't have time. | 有时候是因为你没有时间 |
| 787 | But, you know, it's important to just kind of, you know, keep keep doing it and be disciplined with it. | 但是,你知道,这很重要 只是那种,你知道, 继续这样做, 并受到纪律约束。 |
| 788 | What's the best advice you've ever received? | 你收到的最好的建议是什么? |
| 789 | Be open minded. | 开诚布公. |
| 790 | I love that theme. | 我喜欢这个主题。 |
| 791 | That's the theme of this. | 这就是这个主题。 |
| 792 | Be open minded is like a theme for sure. | 开诚布公的心就像一个主题。 |
| 793 | It's when you're open minded, then you're ready to receive everything that we're surrounded with in such a beautiful world. | 当你敞开心扉,然后你准备接受 我们周围的一切 在这样一个美丽的世界。 |
| 794 | And we're so blessed that we live in this world and that we go through the process of evolution. | 我们是如此的幸运,我们生活在这个世界上, 我们经历了进化的过程。 |
| 795 | And I think when you come close to the realization of, you know, who you are, | 我认为当你接近 实现,你知道,你是谁, |
| 796 | I think and you continue to seek for that truth. | 我认为,你继续寻求这一真理。 |
| 797 | I just it brings you closer to the source from where you arrived and just makes you makes you so present and makes you so calm. | 我只是它让你更接近来源 你到达的地方, 只是让你 让你如此在场 让你如此平静。 |
| 798 | And it makes you so joyful and grateful for yourself or people around you for everything that you have that you do that surrounds you that fulfills you. | 它使你如此快乐和感激 为自己或你周围的人 你所做的一切,你身边 你满足了你。 |
| 799 | I feel that that's the essence of our life. | 我觉得这就是我们生活的本质 |
| 800 | Amazing. | 厉害 |
| 801 | And the fifth question, fifth and final question is if your racket was a magic wand and you could get the whole world to understand one thing, | 第5个问题,第5个,也是最后一个问题 就是你的吵闹是否是魔杖 你能让整个世界明白一件事 |
| 802 | what would you want everyone to understand? | 你想让大家明白什么? |
| 803 | That our consciousness expands infinitely. | 我们的意识无限的扩张 |
| 804 | Beautiful. | 美丽 |
| 805 | Straight to the point. | 直饶直饶. |
| 806 | What do you mean by that? | 这是什么意思? |
| 807 | What do you want them to understand? | 你想让他们明白什么? |
| 808 | I'm going to give you the opportunity. | 我会给你机会 |
| 809 | Oh my gosh, we don't have enough time. | 哦,我的上帝,我们没有足够的时间。 |
| 810 | That our conscious expense infinitely means at least in my own perception is that we are more than we think or feel with our five senses that we really are. | 我们的自觉性支出,至少在我个人的印象中意味着,我们比我们五种感觉所认为或感觉的要多。 |
| 811 | And when you I feel like when I came to this realization, | 当你觉得当我来到这个认识, |
| 812 | it just opened the door to a whole different universe. | 它打开了通往一个完全不同的宇宙的大门。 |
| 813 | And I mentioned to me and I feel that my evolution and my growth in every aspect of who I am and my everybody has just quadrupled for light years ahead. | 我对我提过,我觉得我的进化 和我的成长 在我的每一个方面 我和每个人 刚刚翻了两番 在光明的岁月前。 |
| 814 | I just feel I feel calm at the same time, but so excited for everything that I that life has to offer that I can learn. | 我只是觉得我感到冷静 同时,但 如此兴奋的一切,我的生活 提供,我可以学习。 |
| 815 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 816 | But we still have to do a part two to dive into all of that. | 但我们还需要做一个第二部分 潜入所有这一切。 |
| 817 | We're going to have to make it happen. | 得成就诸法. |
| 818 | Yeah, thank you so much. | 是的,非常感谢。 |
| 819 | I'm so grateful. | 我非常感谢你 |
| 820 | Thank you for your time and energy. | 谢谢你的时间和精力 |
| 821 | I know you have so many things on. | 我知道你有这么多的东西。 |
| 822 | I love you guys. | 我爱你们 |
| 823 | Amazing life. | 令人惊叹的生活。 |
| 824 | I love you guys so much. | 我非常爱你们 |
| 825 | Infinite love. | 无限爱. |
| 826 | So grateful. | 非常感谢 |
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| 0:00 | The more you're exposed to you see a lot more negativity and it's disturbing and disgusting to me, but instead of me | 你越接触你,你就会看到 更多的消极主义, 它令人不安和恶心的我,但是我不要 |
| 0:09 | Becoming bitter and evil about it. I've chosen to become more | 变得痛苦和邪恶 我选择了变得更好 |
| 0:14 | Self-aware and I have more empathy for people and I never want to change that | 自我意识,我更同情别人,我永远不想改变 |
| 0:18 | I think if anything, it's given me more empathy because I'm like, oh, I feel really bad for you | 我想如果有什么,它给了我更多的同情 因为我喜欢,哦,我真的很为你难过 |
| 0:24 | Yes, and I feel bad that you can't also understand that I'm just living my life | 是的,我感到难过,你不能 也明白,我只是生活我的生活 |
| 0:29 | I'm not perfect. I am | 我没有完美的。 对 |
| 0:32 | Doing what you're doing every single we're just trying to figure it all out | 做你所做的一切 我们只是想弄清楚一切 |
| 0:35 | But if we're all a little more understanding and kind to one another it would make our | 但是,如果我们都有点 更理解和善待对方 它会使我们 |
| 0:40 | Trials tribulations ups and downs that much easier | 越难越好 |
| 0:44 | Hey everyone, welcome back to on purpose the number one health podcast in the world | 嘿,大家好,欢迎回到 世界上第一健康播客 |
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| 1 | The more you're exposed to you see a lot more negativity and it's disturbing and disgusting to me, but instead of me | 你越接触你,你就会看到 更多的消极主义, 它令人不安和恶心的我,但是我不要 |
| 2 | Becoming bitter and evil about it. I've chosen to become more | 变得痛苦和邪恶 我选择了变得更好 |
| 3 | Self-aware and I have more empathy for people and I never want to change that | 自我意识,我更同情别人,我永远不想改变 |
| 4 | I think if anything, it's given me more empathy because I'm like, oh, I feel really bad for you | 我想如果有什么,它给了我更多的同情 因为我喜欢,哦,我真的很为你难过 |
| 5 | Yes, and I feel bad that you can't also understand that I'm just living my life | 是的,我感到难过,你不能 也明白,我只是生活我的生活 |
| 6 | I'm not perfect. I am | 我没有完美的。 对 |
| 7 | Doing what you're doing every single we're just trying to figure it all out | 做你所做的一切 我们只是想弄清楚一切 |
| 8 | But if we're all a little more understanding and kind to one another it would make our | 但是,如果我们都有点 更理解和善待对方 它会使我们 |
| 9 | Trials tribulations ups and downs that much easier | 越难越好 |
| 10 | Hey everyone, welcome back to on purpose the number one health podcast in the world | 嘿,大家好,欢迎回到 世界上第一健康播客 |
| 11 | Thanks to each and every single one of you. I'm so grateful to you for your time | 多亏了你们每一个人 我非常感谢你的时间 |
| 12 | Week in week out you show up to listen to learn and to grow and it means so much to me | 每周出来的时候,你来听学习和成长 这对我很重要 |
| 13 | that you trust me with your time and that's why you know that my commitment to you as my community as my audience is | 所以你才知道 我对你这个社区的承诺 |
| 14 | to find people that I genuinely connect with to find people that I believe that can truly help us live more vulnerably more authentically more | 找到我真正联系的人 找到我相信 能真正帮助我们生活的人 |
| 15 | deeply and | 深深地 |
| 16 | Today's guest is someone that I can't wait to introduce you to now. She genuinely needs no introduction | 今天的客人是我迫不及待想介绍的 她真的不需要介绍 |
| 17 | so I'm not even going to | 所以我甚至不会 |
| 18 | Do that element of the show but she's someone that I started talking to probably about a year ago now | 做这个节目的元素,但她是一个 我开始说话的人 大概一年前现在 |
| 19 | Maybe a little less and all of our conversations have been so uplifting so inspiring so motivating | 也许少一点,我们所有的对话 都如此振奋人心 如此鼓舞人心 |
| 20 | Everything she posts on social media really speaks to her beautiful heart | 她在社交媒体上发表的一切 都对着她美丽的心 |
| 21 | And I'm so excited today to unpack that to unravel that and discover more about her and her name is Chloe Kardashian Chloe | 我很高兴今天能解开它 发现更多关于她和她的 名字是克洛伊·卡达珊·克洛伊 |
| 22 | Thank you for being here. Thank you. That was such a beautiful intro. Thank you. Well, I meant every single word genuinely | 谢谢你能来 谢谢 这是这么漂亮的介绍。 谢谢 嗯,我的意思是每一个字真正的 |
| 23 | Thank you. I'm excited to be here. I really am and you've been someone I've been dying to meet in person | 谢谢 我很高兴能来 我真的是,你一直 一个我渴望见的人 |
| 24 | So this is an honor for me. So thank you | 我很荣幸 谢谢 |
| 25 | well, I'm honored in touch to hear that because | 我很荣幸能与你联系 因为... |
| 26 | the feeling is very very mutual and | 感觉非常相互 |
| 27 | My intention for doing this podcast and reaching out to you to do this was I love a podcast as an excuse to get to know | 我打算做这个播客 并联系你 做到这一点,我爱播客 作为藉口 了解 |
| 28 | Each other better. Mm-hmm | 对方更好。 对 |
| 29 | And I was also hoping that we have all these secret conversations offline | 我也希望我们有所有这些秘密谈话 离线 |
| 30 | Right well online sorry online on it's rich and I was like I wish we could share this with the world everything that we talk | 好吧,在线上对不起,它很丰富 我仿佛希望我们能和世界分享这一切,我们谈论的一切 |
| 31 | About all the things that we believe in right to explore the things we have in common | 关于所有我们相信正确的东西 探索我们共同的东西 |
| 32 | Right and for people to get to know the deeper parts of you and all the messages you have well and it's so I mean | 正确和人们得到 了解你深层的部分 和所有的信息 你有很好,所以我的意思是 |
| 33 | I know your job is to be positive and uplifting but when it is even we talk through DMS and it's | 我知道你的工作是积极和振奋人心 但是当它被我们通过DMS和它 |
| 34 | It's really beautiful when that translates because sometimes it's all about smoke and mirrors and people might project that they're one thing | 翻译的时候真美 因为有时候 都跟烟雾和镜子有关 人们可能会认为他们是一回事 |
| 35 | But that's not really what they live and that's entirely who you are | 但这不是真正的 他们的生活,这是完全 你是谁 |
| 36 | So it's really great to see that and even coming into your home and you allowing me and my film crew and all of us | 因此,它真的太好了 看到这一点,甚至进入你的家 你允许我 和我的电影团队和我们所有人 |
| 37 | In here your home is super Zen and beautiful and you have life in here with your trees and it's just I mean | 在这里,你的家是超级禅宗和美丽 你在这里有生活 与你的树,这只是我的意思 |
| 38 | It's a great message. Thank you. They're wonderful too. I actually said to them before you came | 妙旨传之. 谢谢 他们也很棒 你来之前我对他们说过 |
| 39 | I was just like I've never met a never met a crew. That's so happy. Yeah, that's that's great energy | 我就像从来没有见过一个 从来没有见过一个船员。 真开心 是啊,那是伟大的能量 |
| 40 | Like everyone was like smiling. Oh, they're the best great conversation | 就像每个人都在笑 哦,他们是最好的谈话 |
| 41 | Yeah, they're the best and they're like that every single day and they're dealing with me and my crazy family with a slew of emotion | 是啊,他们是最好的,他们就像每天 他们对待我和我疯狂的家庭 与一股激情 |
| 42 | So for them to maintain that beautiful energy, it really keeps me very balanced and centered | 所以,为了保持那美丽的能量, 它真的让我非常平衡和集中 |
| 43 | Yeah, no, it's beautiful. So anyway, the feelings very mutual even your demeanor the way you came in today and and all the conversations | 是啊,不,这是美丽的。 所以不管怎样,你的感情 甚至是你今天进来的方式 还有所有的谈话 |
| 44 | I mean, I've read some of our conversations to my wife and she was just like like we're both just so in love | 我的意思是,我读过我们的一些谈话 我的妻子,她就像我们 只是在恋爱 |
| 45 | It's just like you you project so much love in the conversations we've had. Thank you | 就像你在我们的对话中 表现出了这么多的爱 谢谢 |
| 46 | And so that's why I felt compelled to reach out to you. I appreciate it | 所以我觉得不得不联系你 谢谢 |
| 47 | Yeah | 对 |
| 48 | but one of the things you said to me that stood out in one of our DM conversations was you said imagine if everyone in the | 但是,你对我说的事情之一 突出 在我们的DM谈话中 是你说,如果每个人都在 |
| 49 | World was five percent kinder | 世界是5%的温柔 |
| 50 | And and that stuck with me I was just like wow like yeah | 和我在一起,我就像哇,就像耶 |
| 51 | Imagine if everyone's just five percent kinder like you weren't talking about or let's make everyone in the world super kind | 想象一下,如果每个人都只是5%的温柔 像你一样,没有谈论,或者让我们让世界上的每一个人 超级善良 |
| 52 | And you know, tell me what that means to you and like what made you say that and where that came from | 你知道,告诉我那对你意味着什么 喜欢是什么让你说,从哪里来的 |
| 53 | Well, I feel I don't know if it's the older I get or the more accessible I am to so many | 我觉得我不知道是年纪越大 还是我对这么多人更方便 |
| 54 | People because of social media nowadays and just the technologies in our hand | 人们因为现在的社交媒体 和我们手中的技术 |
| 55 | it just feels really heavy the world feels really heavy and | 感觉很沉重 世界感觉很沉重 |
| 56 | Depressing and if you read statistics some for mental health bullying violence | 压抑和如果你读到统计数据 某些针对心理健康欺凌暴力 |
| 57 | everything is escalated and I think we're too exposed to too many avenues of people and too many ways for people to connect with us and | 所有事情都升级了 我认为我们太暴露在 太多的人的渠道 和太多的方式 人们连接我们 |
| 58 | we are all made up of energy and when people either take too much from you it is a | 我们都是由能量组成的 当人们从你身上夺走太多的时候 |
| 59 | ripple effect and sometimes if someone | 连带效应,有时如果有人 |
| 60 | projected negativity onto you you just instinctively will project it back to them or as a defense mechanism to somebody else and | 你本能地将它投到他们身上 或者作为防御机制 投到别人身上 |
| 61 | It's also not fair to misdirect that energy because it is a ripple effect and it goes to other people | 误用能量也是不公平的,因为它是一种波纹效应,它流向其他人 |
| 62 | but if we were | 但如果我们是 |
| 63 | To be a little more self-aware and when someone is mean or negative to us instead of us being combative back if we were | 更自觉一点 当有人对我们有害或消极 而不是我们反击,如果我们是 |
| 64 | just like | 碞钩 |
| 65 | Why are you hurting or just even like okay and just took it instead of having your ego involved where you have to shout? | 你为什么伤害或只是像没事, 并只是把它,而不是让你的自我 卷入你必须喊? |
| 66 | Louder if you just took it that's even just being kind | 大声点,如果你刚拿了它, 这甚至只是善意 |
| 67 | I'm not saying people have to go buy roses for everyone or whatever, but even opening a door | 我不是说人们得去买玫瑰什么的 但甚至打开了门 |
| 68 | Smiling at someone you don't have to talk | 对一个不用说话的人笑 |
| 69 | It's a universal language that everybody understands that would give a ripple effect or even the | 这是人人都能理解的通用语言 能够产生波纹效应 甚至还有 |
| 70 | Karma back to you that you're gonna receive a little bit more kindness that day. I think it's | 卡玛说那天你会得到更多的好意 我觉得 |
| 71 | highly naive of me to say | 我非常天真地说 |
| 72 | 50% or let's oh I want everyone to you know | 50%,或者让我们 哦,我想每个人都知道 |
| 73 | Think that they're surrounded by glitter and unicorns like that's just not reality it is and it's also | 他们被闪光和独角兽包围 就像它不是现实 它也是 |
| 74 | Cool when life gets heavy too to see how you can manage and filter through it, but that doesn't mean we still have to be | 当生活变得沉重的时候, 很酷,看你怎么管理和过滤它, 但这并不意味着我们仍然必须 |
| 75 | Horrible people to one another. Yeah. No, I love that | 众生怖畏彼. 对 不,我喜欢 |
| 76 | I love what you're saying because I think we also and you touched on this | и尺舧弧杠 и谋眔иΤ |
| 77 | We think being kind means these big gestures or like having to save the world or you know doing something really | 我们认为友善意味着这些大姿态 或者喜欢拯救世界 或者你知道做什么 |
| 78 | Colossal like it has to be big and expansive | 像它一样的花朵 必须是大而宽广的 |
| 79 | but you're right that we forget and we underestimate how much just a smile a kind word a | 但你是对的,我们忘记了 我们低估了多少只是微笑 一个友好的词 |
| 80 | Kind message or thinking of someone can just change someone's day | 亲切的留言或者想着一个人 可以改变别人的一天 |
| 81 | And I love those simple things because I think that those are things anyone can do and those are things everyone can appreciate | 我喜欢那些简单的事情,因为我认为 那些事情是任何人可以做的, 那些事情是每个人都可以欣赏的 |
| 82 | Whenever I have like a waitress or someone they are | 每当我有一个女服务员或某个人 |
| 83 | Busting their butts to work and they're cleaning tables and they're serving you | 他们忙着干活,在打扫桌子 |
| 84 | It's a beautiful thing and instead of just like you don't even look up at them | 这是一个美丽的事物, 而不是只是像 你甚至不抬头看他们 |
| 85 | if you just look at them stare them in their eyes and say thank you or | 你只要看着他们盯着他们的眼睛说谢谢 |
| 86 | You can tell that people are so rude | 你可以看到,人们是如此粗鲁 |
| 87 | to people in any service industry because they almost get like shocked like someone's staring directly at me and | 对任何服务行业的人来说 因为他们几乎像震惊一样 就像有人直接盯着我 |
| 88 | As a human you never want to feel that you're invisible or that people are looking past you you want people to look at you | 作为一个人类,你从不觉得自己是隐形的 或者人们在看着你 你希望人们看着你 |
| 89 | Yes | 对 |
| 90 | and even just that alone that makes someone's day and if someone was having a bad day or feeling like | 哪怕是独自一人 让某人的一天 如果某人有一个糟糕的一天 或者感觉像 |
| 91 | Man, I can't get by I'm working my ass off and I'm still people are just mean to me | 男人,我不能得到我的工作 我的屁股了,我仍然是人 只是对我有害 |
| 92 | It depresses them more like it's like just look at someone. Hey, how are you? Thank you so much | 更让人沮丧 就像只是看着某人 你好吗? 谢谢 |
| 93 | Like that's it a busboy anything. I think we all take for granted | 就像它是一个公交车男孩什么的。 我想我们都认为是理所当然的 |
| 94 | How hard everybody works no matter what your job is. It's still a job | 无论你的工作如何,每个人都有多努力工作 还是个工作 |
| 95 | And just a little smile or a little hope you're having a nice day like something so simple | 笑一笑,或者希望你今天过得这么简单 |
| 96 | It does nothing for you. Like why does that hurt you just do it and it could really change their entire day | 对你没什么好处 碞钩ぐ或ê或端甡 碞硂或暗 穦э跑俱ぱ |
| 97 | I remember a huge mistake that I used to make like this was something that I wish I never did but I did and I is | 我记得我以前犯过一个大错误 我希望我从没犯过 |
| 98 | I literally used to walk into Ubers and or lifts and I'd be on my phone and I wouldn't say anything | 我从字面上走进Ubers 或升降机 我会在我的电话,我什么都不说 |
| 99 | Because you know, you've already programmed where you want to go, right? | 因为你知道,你已经编程 在那里你想去,对不对? |
| 100 | So you don't need to talk to the person if you don't want and I would just walk in I won't even say hello | 所以,如果你不想的话,你不需要和那个人说话 我只要走进去,我甚至不会打招呼 |
| 101 | And I wouldn't say hello. I wouldn't say how's your day? | 我不会打招呼。 我不会说你今天过得怎么样? |
| 102 | I wouldn't greet them and it took one driver to actually not start driving for like three minutes and he was like hello | 我不问候他们,一个司机实际上 开始开车大约三分钟 他就像你好 |
| 103 | How are you? Oh, wow, and I probably even missed it the first time and the second time he's like hello | 你好吗? 哦,哇,我可能甚至错过了它 第一次和第二次他像你好 |
| 104 | How are you and he kept asking me and once I mean like the third or the fourth time that I registered because I was so | 你和他怎么一直问我 有一次我是说 我注册的第三次或第四次 因为我是如此 |
| 105 | Busy Wow, and I was just like, oh wait a minute. He was just like, yeah | 忙得要命,我就是说,哦,等一下 他就像,对 |
| 106 | I just wanted to have it just how you were and it just took me to that where I was like | 我只是想有它 只是你是什么, 它只是带我到 |
| 107 | I can even just just saying hello now | 我甚至可以只是打个招呼了 |
| 108 | I'm not saying you need to get into a big life story | 我不是说你需要 进入一个伟大的生活故事 |
| 109 | Totally station with your right lift driver, but the point being that I think they're still humans, correct, right? | 与你的右手扶手完全站立, 但重点是 我认为他们仍然是人类,对不对? |
| 110 | Yeah, and I think because of our phones and we're so busy | 是啊,我想因为我们的电话,我们这么忙 |
| 111 | But remember we all operated before our phones somehow so life goes on. Do you remember that though? | 但记得我们都在手机之前操作过 所以生活还在继续 你还记得吗? |
| 112 | I do and I miss that time | 我确实想念那个时候 |
| 113 | I do feel bad for like my little sisters who I don't think will ever I don't think they ever knew that time | 我确实为我的小姐妹感到难过 我觉得她们永远也不认识 |
| 114 | So they were too young. They didn't they wouldn't have a phone at that age anyway, but | 他们太年轻了 他们不会有电话 在那个年龄,反正,但 |
| 115 | We forget that we're all humans and I also yes, of course | 我们忘了我们都是人类 我当然也是 |
| 116 | We don't want to have like sometimes we're just tired and we don't want to talk I get it | 我们不想有像有时 我们只是累了,我们不想说话 |
| 117 | but I also just by you | 但我也是在你身边 |
| 118 | Most people can be room readers | 大多数人都可以做读者 |
| 119 | So if you go in the car like hey, how are you like and that's kind of it | 所以,如果你像嘿嘿一样上车, 你怎么样,就是这样 |
| 120 | If you even just if they keep engaging you're not being rude | 就算他们继续订婚 你也不是无礼 |
| 121 | You could still kind of just give short answers and hopefully they'll kind of get the clue | 你还是可以给出简短的答案 希望他们会得到线索 |
| 122 | Yeah, and stop talking to you. And if not, you know, maybe they just need someone to talk | 对,别再跟你说话了 如果没有,你知道, 也许他们只是需要 有人说话 |
| 123 | Yeah, definitely not encouraging anyone to get into a life story conversation. Just be human. I think you put it best | 是啊,绝对不鼓励任何人 进入一个生活故事的对话。 做个人类 我想你说得最好 |
| 124 | Yeah, be human. We talk a lot about self-care self-worth in our conversations. I see you post these | 对,做人 我们在对话中经常谈论自我护理的自我价值。 我看你贴了这些 |
| 125 | Amazing stories and that's how I actually found out | 惊人的故事,这就是我如何发现 |
| 126 | I remember once you post one of my videos and I was just like, oh wow | 我记得有一次你贴了我的录影带 而我就像,哦哇 |
| 127 | Like I just felt very humbled and touched and but you share so many other people's and I think you do such a great job of | 就像我刚刚感到非常谦卑和感动, 但你分享了这么多其他人的 我认为你做了这样一个伟大的工作 |
| 128 | Encouraging creators like myself as well in sharing that and and not just me and I know you share plenty of other creators as well | 鼓励像我这样的创造者分享 不只是我 我知道你也分享很多其他创造者 |
| 129 | Which is so beautiful and when I started to see that and I see that on your stories all the time | 这太美了,当我开始看到, 我看到你的故事所有的时间 |
| 130 | Like it's either true or a true statement, right? | 就像是真话还是真话 |
| 131 | It's either true or a true statement and and I love that I've commented back so many times and said | 要么是真的 要么是真实的陈述 我喜欢我多次评论说 |
| 132 | I'm really glad you post that whatever when did you kind of get to that space in your life where that became a priority? | 我很高兴你发表文章 无论你什么时候到达你生命中的那个空间 而那个空间成了一个优先事项? |
| 133 | like when did you come to that and you were just like my self-care and this journey of self reflection are | 就像你什么时候开始这样 你就像我的自我照顾 自我反思的旅程 |
| 134 | Important to me now. Like when did you get to this space of everything you're sharing now? Well, I've always been a writer | 现在对我很重要了 就像你什么时候来到你现在分享的一切的空间? 我一直是个作家 |
| 135 | I write a lot and I journal I write a lot mainly for myself and then I love it. It's so therapeutic | 我写了很多,我写了很多日记 主要是为自己写,然后我喜欢它。 这太治疗了 |
| 136 | I did a lot when I especially when I was going through my divorce | 离婚的时候我做了很多事 |
| 137 | Specifically and it was so therapeutic for me | 具体地说,这对我是如此的治疗 |
| 138 | You're just even able it's like a release and sometimes when you write something you either see how important it is or how silly | 你甚至可以像释放一样,有时当你写一些东西的时候 你要么看到它有多重要 要么它是多么愚蠢 |
| 139 | It is to you at the same time | 对你也是一样 |
| 140 | But it's out of your system and you could burn it do whatever and then I used to write | 但它出你的系统 你可以烧它做任何事情 然后我曾经写 |
| 141 | I would post a quote and then write a large caption and it's before I had as many followers and it | 我会张贴一个引文 然后写一个大标题 这是之前,我有这么多的追随者和它 |
| 142 | some people would tear it apart so much that they took out like | 有些人会把它撕成两半 然后他们就拿出来 |
| 143 | The real meaning of it and they would make it into whatever they were feeling and it wasn't what I was feeling | 真正的意义,他们会让它 成为任何他们的感觉, 这不是我的感觉 |
| 144 | So I just chose to stop doing that as much because it kind of ruined it or like the blogs would create things | 所以我选择停止做那么多 因为那样会毁了它 或者说博客会创造一些东西 |
| 145 | I'm like, but that you took the beauty out of it. That wasn't what it meant, right? | 我很喜欢,但你 取出它的美丽。 这不是它的意思,对不对? |
| 146 | But not everybody is as deep or as they just want it to be salacious and something way worse than it is | 但并不是每个人都那么深 或他们只是希望它 健康 和比它更糟的东西 |
| 147 | but I | 不过 |
| 148 | Also started seeing how much people were craving some sort of | 还开始看到人们多么渴望某种 |
| 149 | Guidance if you will and not that I'm that person to go to because I'm still figuring out my life | 如果你愿意 而不是说我就是要去的那个人 因为我还在想我的生活 |
| 150 | We all are we're still just human beings and we're gonna make mistakes and love our life | 我们都只是人类 我们要犯错误,爱我们的生活 |
| 151 | But that's I'm okay with sharing my failures because I'm secure enough and just me being a person | 但我可以分享我的失败 因为我已经足够安全了 只是我是一个人 |
| 152 | I'm still figuring it out | 我还在想呢 |
| 153 | I don't know what I'm doing every day | 我不知道我每天在做什么 |
| 154 | But some I just realized how much what a positive reaction I would get when I would post something encouraging to other people | 但有些人我刚刚意识到 当我发表一些鼓励别人的文章时 我会得到多么积极的反应 |
| 155 | Or I would go on someone I would go on strangers pages and she's like, oh my gosh | 或者我会去一个人 我会去陌生人页 她喜欢,哦,我的天哪 |
| 156 | I love your freckles and like what that would do. I'm like, that's crazy. That just being kind gets | 我喜欢你的雀斑 也喜欢这样 我很喜欢,这是疯了。 那只是善良的获得 |
| 157 | So much positive feedback like that should just be normal | 这么积极的反馈应该是正常的 |
| 158 | I think we're just used to people bullying each other and if someone like I would never go to someone's page to criticize them | 我觉得我们只是习惯了别人欺负对方 如果像我这样的人 永远不会去别人的页面批评他们 |
| 159 | That's just not who I am I wouldn't waste my time if I felt something I'm like | 这不是我是谁,我不会浪费我的时间 如果我感觉我喜欢的东西 |
| 160 | Oh, why don't I even think that about the stranger? Who am I? | 哦,为什么我甚至不 想到这个陌生人? 我是谁? |
| 161 | I would go to someone's page to encourage and uplift so but I think in today's day | 我会去某人的页面鼓励和提升 所以,我想在今天 |
| 162 | We're so used to people going to pages to be these, you know computer bullies and let's just talk about people | 我们很习惯人们在网页上做这些, 你知道电脑恶霸,让我们只谈人 |
| 163 | but I mean, they're really struggling in their own life and that's the only reason why they're acting out like that is because | 但是,我的意思是,他们真的挣扎 在他们自己的生活, 这是唯一的原因 他们表现出来这样是 |
| 164 | They're feeling that about themselves or whatever and they're just trying to project it to somebody else | 他们觉得自己或什么的 他们只是想给别人投影 |
| 165 | Yeah, and I love how that what you just said now | 是啊,我喜欢你刚才说的话 |
| 166 | It's almost like it transforms your feeling towards them into kindness, too | 这几乎就像它把 你对他们的感觉变成善良,太 |
| 167 | Because you start recognizing where they're coming from right they're going through to make them that way | 因为你开始认清他们从右边来的地方 他们要经过那里 让他们这样 |
| 168 | I think it's just created it's interesting in the world that we are in it's either | 我觉得它只是创造 它在世界上很有趣,我们是在它要么 |
| 169 | The more you're exposed to you see a lot more negativity and it's disturbing and disgusting to me | 你接触的越多,你就会看到 更多的消极,这让我很不安和恶心 |
| 170 | but instead of me | 却不是我 |
| 171 | Becoming bitter and evil about it. I've chosen to become more | 变得痛苦和邪恶 我选择了变得更好 |
| 172 | Self-aware and I have more empathy for people and I never want to change that | 自我意识,我更同情别人,我永远不想改变 |
| 173 | I think if anything it's given me more empathy because I'm like, oh, I feel really bad for you | 我觉得如果有什么能让我更同情 因为我觉得,哦,我真的为你感到难过 |
| 174 | Yes, and I feel bad that you can't also understand that. I'm just living my life. I'm not perfect. I am | 是的,我感到难过,你不能 也理解这一点。 我只是过着我的生活 我没有完美的。 对 |
| 175 | Doing what you're doing every single we're just trying to figure it all out | 做你所做的一切 我们只是想弄清楚一切 |
| 176 | But if we're all a little more understanding and kind to one another it would make our | 但是,如果我们都有点 更理解和善待对方 它会使我们 |
| 177 | Trials tribulations ups and downs that much easier. Yeah, I love that you've always been journaling | 尝试的三连串升降 容易得多。 是啊,我喜欢你一直 日记 |
| 178 | I think that's such a it's such a great practice | 我觉得这真是一次伟大的练习 |
| 179 | And and I love that because i've recommended to so many people that i've worked with | 我很喜欢,因为我推荐 这么多的人,我曾经工作过 |
| 180 | To journal and read it back themselves and you're so right that sometimes you read your feelings back to yourself | 写日记,自己读,你是对的 有时候你会把感情读回来 |
| 181 | And you cry and there are sometimes you've read your feelings back to yourself and you laugh because you're just like what really all right? | 你哭了,有时你 读你的感受 回到自己,你笑 因为你就像什么 真的没事? |
| 182 | You're like that's what i'm upset about like that is so petty in today's world or | 你就像这就是我为这而心烦意乱的... ...就像在今天的世界是如此的渺小 |
| 183 | But and we all have to also be kind to ourselves and realize that | 但是我们都得对自己好一点 并且意识到 |
| 184 | Like I hate when people say like what do you have to worry about you have all this money or whatever | 就像我讨厌别人说,你担心的是什么 这么多钱什么的 |
| 185 | oh, so money means you don't have problems and | 哦,所以钱意味着你没有问题, |
| 186 | I don't care who you are problems are problems | 我不管你是谁的问题 |
| 187 | In your world | 在你们的世界里 |
| 188 | I might you might walk a day in my shoes and be like I don't want those issues or I might walk a day | 我也许你可以在我的鞋里走一天 就像我不想要那些问题 或者我可能走一天 |
| 189 | In your shoes and be like wow, everything's beautiful, but you might see what I thought was beauty as | 在你的鞋子和像哇, 一切都是美丽的, 但你可能会看到什么 我认为是美丽的 |
| 190 | You're not happy and satisfied with that and you still want more or maybe you want less. Those are all okay feelings | 你对此并不高兴和满意,你仍然想要更多或者也许你想要更少. 感觉都很好 |
| 191 | That's why we each have our own | 这就是为什么我们每个人都有自己的 |
| 192 | lives, but to attack somebody else for | 但为了攻击别人 |
| 193 | What is considered their problems? I just find really counterproductive and that's not | 他们的问题是什么? 我只是觉得真的适得其反 这不是 |
| 194 | Motivating yourself if you want a lot of money go out there and get it. I believe in you | 如果你需要很多钱的话,就鼓动自己去买 我相信你们 |
| 195 | I'm applauding you but when people I think journaling is so good, especially when it's private because | 我为你鼓掌 但当人们认为 日记是那么好的, 尤其是当它是私人的,因为 |
| 196 | For me personally, it's something I get to write down and I don't feel judged but i'm allowed to | 对我个人来说,这是我可以写下来的东西,我不觉得被评判,但允许我 |
| 197 | Criticize myself because it's my journey and I know | 批评自己,因为这是我的旅程 我知道 |
| 198 | The day one to the last day that i've taken those steps. So i'm allowed to critique and be like, you know what chloe you're | 从那天到最后一天 我采取了这些步骤。 所以我被允许批评 和喜欢,你知道你是什么克洛伊 |
| 199 | You're way past this. You don't need to harp on things like this | 你早就过了 你不需要这样 |
| 200 | I think it's healthy and even if you read it back and you're just laugh at yourself | 我认为这是健康的, 即使你读回来 你只是笑自己 |
| 201 | I think that's also a great form of therapy. Yeah, 100 what's the most powerful or meaningful general entry you ever wrote? | 我认为这也是一种伟大的治疗形式。 你写的最有力或最有意义的条目是什么? |
| 202 | That was that was really like transformative for you | 对你来说,那真的像变革 |
| 203 | fascinated | 着迷 |
| 204 | That's a good question. You know, I sometimes I write and I don't even know what i'm saying | 问曰. 你知道,我有时写 我甚至不知道我在说什么 |
| 205 | right like sometimes i'm just like it's like words and then it turns into something and I never even knew that was | 就像有时我就像它 就像言语 然后它变成的东西 我甚至不知道那是 |
| 206 | a thing but I | 除了我,还有一件事 |
| 207 | Was like, you know, i'm just compelled to write | 我不得不写 |
| 208 | and I would just start scribbling and it might be literally talking about my day and then it goes into maybe like | 我开始写作,它可能 字面上谈论我的一天, 然后它进入也许像 |
| 209 | Something to do with like why did this happen? Like are you just like because your mind wanders? I know you meditate | 和这件事有什么关系? 就像你只是因为你的思想徘徊? 我知道你会冥想 |
| 210 | I'm not I pray i'm not great at meditating and sitting at my mind wanders too much | 我不是在祈祷我不太擅长冥想 坐在我的脑海中游荡太多 |
| 211 | So I when I pray my prayers are very conversational and I realize it's kind of how I journal as well | 所以当我祈祷时,我的祷告非常有对话性, 我意识到这也是我如何日记的 |
| 212 | It's more of a conversation, but i'm talking | 这更是一种谈话,但我说 |
| 213 | Almost to myself which might be a little insane but | 几乎对自己来说 可能有点疯狂 但是 |
| 214 | The most important meeting we have is with ourselves, I guess so I think it's great. Yeah | и程璶穦某琌cmи ┮и谋眔 对 |
| 215 | No, it makes sense. I I love that because for me meditation is a prayer too | 不 这很合理 我喜欢,因为对我来说 冥想也是祷告 |
| 216 | And and I think that's what's so beautiful about it that it is a conversation | 我想这就是它是如此的美丽, 它是一个谈话 |
| 217 | It is an exchange and often one of the things that I would do is I would in my meditation or prayer | 这是一种交换,而且我常常会做的一件事是,我会在冥想或祷告中 |
| 218 | I would ask a question and it's not about trying to find the answer | 我会问一个问题, 这不是试图找到答案 |
| 219 | It's about sincerely asking the question like can you really ask a question with sincere intent with with a genuine feeling of like | 是真心地问问题 就像你真心地问问题一样 |
| 220 | I really want to understand this and when you ask it with that | 我真的很想理解这一点 当你用这个问的时候 |
| 221 | Then of course it becomes a conversation because there's a response and you're right. Sometimes it's from within | 那当然会变成对话 因为有反应 而你是对的 有时候是内部的 |
| 222 | Sometimes it's from someone you have a conversation with that day. It comes from absolutely anywhere and I I love that | 有时候是那天你和某个人谈话的 它来自任何地方 我喜欢 |
| 223 | I I think prayer is so important | 我觉得祈祷很重要 |
| 224 | And and like you said even if it's just a conversation with yourself god the universe whatever you work with | 就像你说的 就算只是和你自己的对话 上帝 宇宙无论你合作什么 |
| 225 | It's it's a beautiful practice to have I | 拥有我是一个美丽的做法 |
| 226 | Don't care what anybody else believes. I believe in god. I'm not judging. Whoever believes in I do believe everybody should have a faith in something | 别管别人相信什么 我对上帝有信心 我不是在评判你 谁相信我,谁相信每个人都应该相信什么 |
| 227 | It centers us it holds us accountable for our actions every day | 它让我们每天对我们的行动负责 |
| 228 | and so my faith is in god i'm christian and I | 所以我相信上帝 我是克里斯蒂安和我 |
| 229 | wake up every morning early intentionally so I can I have | 每天早上醒来 故意让我有 |
| 230 | a beautiful view and I open my windows and I just | 美丽的景色,我打开我的窗户,我只是 |
| 231 | Look and I pray of I always start my day with gratitude because I think that transcends through the rest of my day | 听着,我祈祷我的一天总是以感激开始 因为我认为这超越了我的余生 |
| 232 | And not that we can control every emotion | 不是说我们能控制所有的情绪 |
| 233 | But I like to even if I sometimes you just wake up and you're either melancholy or you're just kind of | 但我喜欢,即使我有时 你只是醒来, 你要么忧郁 或者你只是那种 |
| 234 | grumpy | 发脾气 |
| 235 | But even if I am I try to convince myself | 但即使我是 我试图说服自己 |
| 236 | This is a great day. Look how blessed you are. Like everything's beautiful | 这是一个伟大的一天。 看看你有多幸运 就像一切都很美一样 |
| 237 | We take our health for granted like we're healthy | 我们把健康当做正常人 |
| 238 | Like I just try to have a conversation with myself and if I am having a grumpy day it normally | 就像我试着和自己谈谈 如果今天我脾气暴躁的话 |
| 239 | Turns it around. Yeah, normally we all have those moments where it doesn't yeah | 转法轮. 是啊,通常我们都 有那些时刻 它不对 |
| 240 | We've intersected some of our mornings | 我们穿过一些早晨 |
| 241 | I think some of our conversations have been in the morning and what do you have is that gratitude practice that you have is | 我认为我们的一些谈话 已经到了早上,你有什么 是感恩练习,你已经 |
| 242 | Just talking to yourself like that's what it is for you. It's just almost like guiding yourself | 跟你说话就是为了你 这就像指导自己 |
| 243 | To be grateful in the morning, right? Yeah, I just it's um, and that's new | 早上感激,对吧? 是啊,我只是这是嗯, 这是新的 |
| 244 | I've always prayed but it used to be just at night and | 我一直祈祷,但过去只是晚上 |
| 245 | Over the past couple years. I've decided like, you know what? I want to start my day like this, too | 在过去几年里 我决定了,你知道吗? 我也想这样开始我的一天 |
| 246 | I think because it's | 我觉得是因为 |
| 247 | I used to just be so busy | 我曾经这么忙 |
| 248 | I'm still busy but like I would never take that time and yes, I have to wake up earlier, but it's | 我仍然很忙,但就像我永远不会花 时间和是的,我必须醒来 更早,但这是 |
| 249 | Changes my whole just the momentum of my day | 改变我整个时代的气势 |
| 250 | Um, so I wake up earlier. I make it an effort you make time for the things you want to do 100% | 嗯,所以我早点醒来。 我努力让你有时间做你想做的事 100% |
| 251 | And you know, I make that's something I want to do. It gives me such a better lighter | 你知道,我做这是我想做的事。 它给我这样更好的打火机 |
| 252 | Energy throughout the day and | 整个白天的能源,以及 |
| 253 | I just it's important. I think we all have ups and downs and we're all going through rough patches | 我只是这很重要。 我觉得我们都有起伏, 我们都经历了粗糙的补丁 |
| 254 | so not every day i've felt compelled to do it, but i've started doing it maybe like | 所以不是每天都觉得必须这么做 但我开始这么做了 |
| 255 | Four years ago and I I love it. It's more it's increased over the past year significantly | 四年前,我喜欢它。 这比去年增加的还多 |
| 256 | Where you probably would do it | 在你可能这样做的地方 |
| 257 | Every now and then and now I do it religiously I would say for the past year. That's beautiful | 在过去一年里,我总是虔诚地这样做。 真漂亮,这太美了 |
| 258 | Thanks for sharing that as well. I love finding out about these things because I think | 谢谢你也分享这个 我喜欢找到这些东西 因为我觉得 |
| 259 | So many of us don't get a space to share this and that's one of the reasons why I wanted to do this was | 所以,我们许多人没有空间 分享这一点,这就是为什么我想这样做的原因之一 |
| 260 | I'm happy that we're learning this about you and i'm learning this about you | 我很高兴我们了解你 我了解你 |
| 261 | What's something I I love what you said about figuring things out because I actually think | 我最爱的是什么 你说的去想事情 因为我真的认为 |
| 262 | When we're sharing | 我们分享的时候 |
| 263 | When we're figuring things out they're more relevant | 当我们想出事情时,它们更相关 |
| 264 | It's almost like when you figure something out perfectly and then you teach it, right? | 这几乎就像当你想出 完美的东西,然后你教它,对不对? |
| 265 | It's kind of doesn't feel as real to everyone who's learning | 对学习的人来说 感觉不太真实 |
| 266 | But like you said like when you're when you're trying to navigate life and you're making mistakes you're failing and that's the same with me | 但就像你说的一样 当你尝试过生活 你犯了错误 你失败了 |
| 267 | Like i'm always sharing that everything i'm sharing in my videos is stuff that i've been through and i'm working through and figuring out | 就像我总是分享,我分享的一切 在我的视频中,我经历了的东西, 我工作 通过和想出 |
| 268 | What's something you're trying to figure out right now? Like what's something that you've been reflecting along right now? | 你现在想弄清楚什么? 就像你一直在思考的东西一样? |
| 269 | Oh goodness my life. No | 哦,上帝,我的命。 - 哦,上帝,我的命。 没有 |
| 270 | Um, you know, I there's nothing specifically I can pinpoint. Um | 嗯,你知道,我没有什么 具体我可以确定。 额 |
| 271 | I absolutely love being a mom. It's one of my favorite things and you know, I've read well about | 我绝对喜欢当妈妈 这是我最喜欢的东西之一 你知道,我读了很多 |
| 272 | About | 关于 |
| 273 | Under a year I would say about eight months ago. I went into I've had a breakup and so figuring out | 不到一年,我会说大约八个月前。 我进去了,我分手了,所以想 |
| 274 | I think | 我觉得 |
| 275 | People are so good at distracting | 人们很会分心 |
| 276 | Um, and i've really chosen to not distract myself or to try to not distract myself | 嗯,我真的选择不 分心或试图不分心自己 |
| 277 | Maybe people can say true would be a distraction | 也许人们会说真话是分散注意力 |
| 278 | But if anything, she's a healthy distraction and I love like I haven't jumped into dating | 但是如果有什么,她是一个健康的分心 我喜欢像我没有跳跃 约会 |
| 279 | I don't care to date right now. I'm not in a rush for it. I feel so | 我现在不在乎约会 我不急着去 我觉得是这样 |
| 280 | Good in my life and I | 我和我的生活中的美好时光 |
| 281 | I don't really need much else | 我真的不需要别的 |
| 282 | and so | 就这样 |
| 283 | something that i'm focusing on is just | 我所关注的只是 |
| 284 | Making sure that I process everything I think | 确保我处理我想的一切 |
| 285 | especially in my family we're good at | 特别是我的家人 我们很擅长 |
| 286 | Moving on like we're we we have very big forgiving hearts | 继续前进,就像我们 我们拥有巨大的宽恕心 |
| 287 | We just move on but we don't really talk about things that happened and I don't really know if that's | 我们只是继续前进,但其实我们不谈论 发生的事情,我真的不知道,如果 |
| 288 | Healthy or not. And so for what I went through with my breakup, I forgive Tristan | 健康与否. 所以我分手后 原谅崔斯坦 |
| 289 | I don't think he's a bad person. I think we all make mistakes. We're humans | 我不认为他是一个坏人。 我想我们都犯了错误。 我们是人类 |
| 290 | But it's only going to hurt me if i'm holding on to this anger and playing this victim role | 但只有我坚持这种愤怒 扮演受害者的角色 才会伤害我 |
| 291 | I don't believe in being a victim. I believe in okay this happened to me. Let's figure it out | 我不相信成为受害者 我相信这发生在我身上 我们来想办法 |
| 292 | Let's push through it. And maybe if i'm open and honest about it, it can help other people | 推而过之. 也许如果我开诚布公 就能帮助别人 |
| 293 | feel like | 感觉像 |
| 294 | It's okay | 没关系 |
| 295 | We're all human. We're all going to get through things | 我们都是人类 我们都会熬过去的 |
| 296 | But you also can't condemn somebody else for just either sinning differently than you did or I just feel like we're all we're all so quick to | 但你也不能谴责别人 要么罪过和你不同 要么我觉得我们都是那么快 |
| 297 | you know, uh exile people and it's just so | 你知道,呃流亡的人 它只是如此 |
| 298 | heavy to me and so something that i'm just focusing on is | 对我来说很重,所以我只专注于 |
| 299 | Making sure i'm healed from that or as much as I can and try to understand it as much as I can | 确保我从中痊愈 或尽我所能 |
| 300 | And then don't distract myself right now. And so I just try to have a lot of | 然后不要分散我的注意力 现在。 所以,我只是尝试 有很多 |
| 301 | Me time in the mornings and that's where I kind of filter through that | 我早上的时间,这就是我过滤 通过这一点。 |
| 302 | I think | 我觉得 |
| 303 | Hearing that's beautiful. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I know just listening to you say that I was like | 听好,这是美丽的。 谢谢 对 我知道只是听你说 |
| 304 | Wow, like how what a beautiful place to be in. Thank you. I feel really | 哇,就像一个多么美丽的地方 进入。 谢谢 我觉得真的 |
| 305 | Good, like I feel I do i'm proud of myself because I think so many people | 很好,我觉得我以自己为荣 因为我想这么多人 |
| 306 | It's natural to almost | 这是自然的几乎 |
| 307 | Be the victim it's natural when like especially when you're on this platform and the whole world is like | 当受害者是自然的 当你在这个平台上 整个世界都一样 |
| 308 | Oh, I feel so bad for you. It's like, okay. Thank you. But | 哦,我为你感到难过。 这就像,好吧。 谢谢 不过 |
| 309 | This also happened to i'm sure | 这同样也发生在我确定 |
| 310 | Hundreds of other people before not saying it's right. I'm just saying i'm not gonna die | 数百人之前不说这是对的。 我只是说我不会死的 |
| 311 | We're all fine and I want to show my daughter that it's okay and it's a beautiful thing to also | 我们都很好,我想让我的女儿知道,这没关系,也是件好事 |
| 312 | Forgive her dad. He's a great person | 原谅她爸爸 他是个好人 |
| 313 | And | 还有 |
| 314 | It's you know, maybe him and I weren't compatible or whatever on that way, but that's okay | 你知道,也许他和我不相容 或任何东西在路上,但没关系 |
| 315 | Like nobody's gonna die here and I always want true to be surrounded by love | 就像没有人会死在这里 我总是希望真正的被爱包围 |
| 316 | And I know babies feel energy. We feel energy and I just want her to always feel | 我知道婴儿有活力 我们感到能量 我只想让她永远感觉到 |
| 317 | just | 刚刚 |
| 318 | Bliss as much as I can | 尽我所能祝福 |
| 319 | That's so incredible. I know it's not realistic every day, but as much as I can control it | 太不可思议了 我知道这不现实 但只要我能控制 |
| 320 | I feel like it's my mama bear job to control it | 我觉得这是我妈妈的工作来控制它 |
| 321 | I think so. Yeah, well well when i'm when i'm hearing you say that i'm feeling the energy of what you're saying and to me | 我想是这样。 是啊,当我听到你说 我感受到你所说的话的能量 |
| 322 | it sounds like the | 听起来像 |
| 323 | You know, I don't think I don't think what you're presenting is an ideal impossible | 你知道,我不认为 我不认为你展示的 是一个理想不可能 |
| 324 | I think what you're presenting is a very real opportunity to say it's my child | 我认为你所展示的 是一个非常真实的机会 可以说这是我的孩子 |
| 325 | I want her to have this environment and i'm gonna work really hard for her to have this environment | 我希望她有这样的环境 我会非常努力地努力让她有这样的环境 |
| 326 | Whatever that means. Oh, it's hard. Yeah, it's not easy for me | 随其意故. 哦,这很难。 是啊,这对我来说并不容易 |
| 327 | It's it's you know, it would be easier for me to keep my daughter away and be like no because you hurt me | 就是因为你,我更能 把我的女儿带走,然后因为你伤害我而变成不 |
| 328 | But he never hurt true | 但他从不伤害真人 |
| 329 | like you know what I mean like him and I have our own relationship and then | 就像你知道我的意思一样 我和他有自己的关系 然后 |
| 330 | Tristan and true have theirs and I will never come in between that. I don't believe in that but I | 特里斯坦和真人有他们的, 我永远不会在两者之间。 我不信,不过... |
| 331 | attest that to my parents were | 证明给我父母 |
| 332 | Incredible co-parenters from what I know they brought my mom and my dad. I'm sure fought all the time | 据我所知 不可思议的双亲们带了我爸妈 我肯定一直打起来 |
| 333 | Not around us. I would never know | 不在我们周围。 我永远不会知道 |
| 334 | My sister Courtney and my I like he's like my brother scott. They're incredible co-parenters and | 我妹妹Courtney和我 我喜欢他像我弟弟Scott 他们是不可思议的双亲 |
| 335 | as long as it's not | 只要没有 |
| 336 | Hurting you in any way like if this was hindering Courtney's growth or if it hinders my growth | 伤害你的任何方式,如果这是妨碍Courtney的成长,或者它妨碍我的成长 |
| 337 | Then you have to also put yourself first because you are in fact taking care of your children | 那你也得把自己放在第一位 因为你实际上在照顾你的孩子 |
| 338 | But if it's not hindering you or hurting you in any way, I think it's important to work on all relationships | 但是,如果它不是妨碍你 或伤害你的任何方式, 我认为重要的是工作 在所有的关系 |
| 339 | Yeah, I read somewhere the other day that kind of I feel really articulates what you're saying. It said | 是的,我前几天在某个地方读到的 那种我感觉真的 阐明你在说什么。 它说 |
| 340 | Letting go is hard but holding on is harder | 放手是很难的 但坚持下去是更难的 |
| 341 | And and that's the choice almost that we have in these tough situations and the way you're sharing it is just amazing | 这几乎就是我们面对这些艰难处境时的选择 和你分享的方式太神奇了 |
| 342 | By the way, like i'm just thank you. Yeah, I mean, I'm in awe. I think it's incredible. Oh my gosh | 顺便说一句,就像我只是谢谢你。 是的,我是说,我非常敬畏。 我认为这是不可思议的。 天呐 |
| 343 | Thank you. You and all of me | 谢谢 你和我所有的人,都一样 |
| 344 | I mean it i'm not just saying it. No, that's so I mean it because I I think | 我的意思是,我不只是说。 不,我是说真的,因为我觉得 |
| 345 | I think | 我觉得 |
| 346 | I'm sure there's so many people listening right now | 我肯定现在有这么多人听 |
| 347 | Who can relate to circumstances in your life situations in your life that you've been through | 与你经历的人生状况有关 |
| 348 | You know, we we all know that these are these things happen, you know out there and and I think | 你知道,我们都知道 这些事情发生, 你知道在那里,我想 |
| 349 | So many of us hold on for so long and as we know like you said, it's hard work | 这么多人坚持了这么久 就像你说的 辛苦了 |
| 350 | It's not easy. It's it's not just going to be plain sailing | 岂不易哉. 不仅仅是航行而已 |
| 351 | But the fact is that you can move in that direction you can and i've | 但事实是你可以朝着那个方向走 你可以,我已经 |
| 352 | I've been through a lot of things in my past that I think have put me here | 我过去经历过很多事,我想是把我带到这里的 |
| 353 | I'm not saying oh, it's so easy and no it's hard work. It definitely is but | 我不是说哦,它是如此容易和不 它的辛苦工作。 绝对是 |
| 354 | I think with every relationship i've been in i've always learned | 我觉得每一段感情我都学会了 |
| 355 | kindness is really kindness and understanding and | 仁爱是真正的仁爱和理解, |
| 356 | also | (单位:千美元) |
| 357 | I've like one reason why I stopped sharing my journaling or my | 我喜欢一个原因,我停止分享我的日记或我的 |
| 358 | Long captions if you will is because people only understand from their level of | 如果你愿意的话,长标题是因为 人们只能从他们的水平理解 |
| 359 | Perception as well and it would infuriate me when my beautiful | 感觉也一样,它会让我生气 当我的美丽 |
| 360 | Notes, i'm sure you could understand because you share so much would be taken in a way that i'm like that's not at all | 笔记,我敢肯定,你可以理解 因为,你分享这么多 会采取的方式,我 喜欢,这一点也不 |
| 361 | how I meant for that to be | и琌或稱 |
| 362 | and so | 就这样 |
| 363 | I can't explain something to someone when this is only the level of their understanding and | 我无法向某人解释一些事情 当这只是他们的理解程度和 |
| 364 | The their want to understand. Yeah, people also have to have the desire to | 他们想要理解的 是啊,人们也必须有欲望 |
| 365 | Want to learn more and want to open up? | 想多学多学 想开口吗? |
| 366 | Their mind to like if i'm closed up and if i'm just some bitter | 他们的心意是喜欢如果我关门 如果我只是一些苦 |
| 367 | Person where I live my life like the world is unjust and why do bad things happen to me? It's like | 我生活的地方就像世界一样不公平 为什么坏事会发生在我身上? 这就像 |
| 368 | To me, there's no good. There's no bad things happen. It's the energy of the world how you handle it | 对我来说,没有好处。 事无不善. 这是世界的能量 你处理它 |
| 369 | Is then again another ripple effect from how I think more things are going to happen to you | 又是另一个波浪效应 从如何我认为更多的事情 会发生在你身上 |
| 370 | But if i'm sitting here like life sucks life is so unjust unfair | 但是,如果我坐在这里像 生活烂透了 生活是如此不公平 |
| 371 | All these bad things are happening then oh my gosh, you're just going to attract all this heavy stuff. But if i'm like, okay | 这些坏事都发生了 哦,我的天啊,你只会吸引这些重物 但是,如果我喜欢,好吗 |
| 372 | That was not the best but i'm going to figure out why and let me try to move on and still let me | 这不是最好的 但我会想出原因 让我继续前进 |
| 373 | Not misdirect my energy. Let me try to be happy | 不要误用我的能量 让我尽量快乐 |
| 374 | Let me try to still be kind to others as much as you can and you can still hurt | 让我尽量对别人好,你还可以伤害别人 |
| 375 | But you should also heal and then be responsible for your hurting and not channel it to other people | 但你也应该痊愈 然后对你的伤害负责 而不是把它传递给别人 |
| 376 | Yeah, I just feel like sometimes we're really irresponsible with our feelings | 是啊,我只是觉得有时 我们真的不负责任 我们的感情 |
| 377 | and we have to be | 我们必须 |
| 378 | Responsible as adults especially adults that are supposed to be | 成人的责任,特别是成年人的责任 |
| 379 | Guiding kids and like our youth you have to be a lot more responsible and how we do things | 指导孩子们 像我们的年轻人 你必须要更加负责 以及我们如何做事 |
| 380 | Yeah, that that's so true. I love that by being irresponsible with our feelings | 是啊,这是真的。 我喜欢不负责任的感情 |
| 381 | Let's explore that a bit because I think that's such a powerful statement in and of itself | 让我们来探讨一下,因为我认为这是一个 如此强大的声明本身 |
| 382 | And this morning literally this morning. I was sharing this | 今天早上,实际上今天早上。 我分享这个 |
| 383 | reflection that I was having on social media and it was about how | 思考一下我正在社交媒体上 和它是如何 |
| 384 | It's it's tough to start communicating with children | 开始和孩子沟通是很困难的 |
| 385 | But sometimes it's even more tough to communicate with our inner child | 但有时更难与我们内心的孩子沟通 |
| 386 | Right and like while we're trying to grow up and everything and it's like what you're saying that we're irresponsible with | 正当我们努力成长的时候 就像你说的 我们不负责任 |
| 387 | All the feelings that were there and we just move on and we think when we move on you've dealt with it | 所有当时的感受,我们只是继续前进,我们想 当我们继续前进,你已经处理了它。 |
| 388 | right, but but that healing that you're talking about is just | 是的,但你所说的治愈只是 |
| 389 | For me as well, like I always felt like I was someone who moved on and I always felt like I was someone who like | 对我也一样,就像我一直觉得自己是 前进的人,我一直感觉自己是 喜欢的人 |
| 390 | Oh, I didn't get affected by that | 哦,我没有受到影响 |
| 391 | And then I started to see that actually I had behaviors in me that were complete reflections of a past pain | 然后我开始看到,实际上我的行为 完全反映了过去的痛苦 |
| 392 | Right, like they were they were behaviors in me that were reflections of a past guilt | 没错,就像他们是他们的行为 在我身上, 反映过去的罪行 |
| 393 | And then I realized that it's not that they just disappeared | 然后我意识到 并不是他们消失了 |
| 394 | It's that they were going to come out in a different way that was going to hurt future relationships | 他们打算用另一种方式出来 来伤害未来的关系 |
| 395 | It was going to hurt present relationships | 它会伤害现在的关系 |
| 396 | And and for me, that's where I started to work through that where I started to see | 对我来说,这就是我开始工作的地方 我开始看到 |
| 397 | Actually what I saw in whatever it was i'm now reflecting that | 其实我所看到的 不管它是什么 我现在反映的是 |
| 398 | Let me look at that behavior and see how that behavior can be healed and transformed right and what's the root of that | 让我看看那个行为,看看那个行为是如何被愈合和转化的 正确的,是什么根源 |
| 399 | Does that make sense completely and also I think people | 这完全有道理吗? |
| 400 | Get confused even when you're like no i'm i'm totally over that i'm healed | 弄糊涂,即使你像没有 我完全克服了,我已经痊愈了 |
| 401 | You can still talk about things and be healed you can still draw back on those things and say it hurt me when | 你仍然可以谈论一些事情 并被治愈 你仍然可以收回那些东西 并说它伤害了我 |
| 402 | It did hurt you when but I think sometimes people are like, oh you're done with that | 这确实伤害了你,但我觉得有时人们会说, 哦,你已经受够了 |
| 403 | You're like why are you talking about this for so long or whatever and it's like that's also a form of my healing | 你就像为什么你谈论这个 这么久或什么的, 它就像它也是 我治愈的一种形式 |
| 404 | I hate when other people | 我讨厌别人 |
| 405 | Who have not been through the trauma you have been through any of us because we've all gone through traumas | 谁没有经历你经历的创伤 因为我们都经历了创伤 |
| 406 | They want to tell you when to stop hurting and that's not anybody's place to tell you when to stop hurting | 他们想告诉你什么时候停止伤害 这不是任何人告诉你什么时候停止伤害的地方 |
| 407 | It's and everybody has a different lifespan of pain. I think everybody will deal with things in different what might be | 每个人都有不同的痛苦期 我想每个人都会用不同的方式处理事情 |
| 408 | Traumatizing to me might be nothing to you and vice versa and we can't invalidate people's feelings | 对我造成创伤也许对你和反之亦然 我们不能使人们的感情失效 |
| 409 | That's only going to traumatize them more and also shame them | 那只会给他们更多的创伤 也让他们感到羞耻 |
| 410 | I'm so over like the emotional shaming of what people do to other people | 我太过分了 就像别人对别人的感情羞辱 |
| 411 | People can have their feelings and do what they want | 人们可以有他们的感情 做他们想做的 |
| 412 | As long as they're realistic. You also have to step outside of your own self and be self-aware and say, okay | 只要是现实的 你也得走出你自己的大门 自我认识并说,好吧 |
| 413 | Am I completely delusional am I making these because you could also your mind you can play tricks on | 我做这些是完全错觉的,因为你也可以思考 你可以玩弄 |
| 414 | And you could start creating a false reality as long as you're being I think really authentic | 只要你是真人,你就可以开始造假 |
| 415 | And genuine about your feelings. I think it's okay to talk about your pains and traumas. I think especially if you're doing it in a way that's | 真实的感受 我觉得说说你的疼痛和创伤没关系 特别是如果你这样做的方式 |
| 416 | Beneficial to other people. I think that's | 对他人有利 我觉得 |
| 417 | being responsible | 承担责任 |
| 418 | Um, but I think if you're just talking about negative stuff to talk about negative stuff, you're like, oh my gosh shut up already | 嗯,但我想如果你只是谈论 负面的东西来谈论 负面的东西,你喜欢,哦,我的天哪闭嘴已经 |
| 419 | Yeah, you know there's like there's it's I think you just again you just have to be responsible | 是啊,你知道有 喜欢它,我觉得你只是 只是你只需要负责 |
| 420 | Yeah, you can't you can't I love what you said that because you can't put a deadline on someone else's pain | 是啊,你不能,我不能喜欢你说的话 因为你不能给别人的痛苦定最后期限 |
| 421 | right, you can't put be the one to | 对,你不能说 |
| 422 | Invalidate or validate how long someone needs to dissect something or break something down? | 无效或验证一个人需要多长时间来解剖某物或破解某物? |
| 423 | And and I think that's such a great point and and you're right that I think but as long as it's realistic | 我认为这是个很好的观点 而你是对的 我认为但只要是现实的 |
| 424 | Do you know what I mean? Like some people just care they just are negative | 你知道我的意思吗? 碞钩Τㄇ闽み 琌 negative |
| 425 | They just have like a dark cloud over them because they've created that cloud cloud | 他们就像乌云一样覆盖着他们 因为他们创造了云 |
| 426 | But that's realistically not their reality you look at them and you're like, what are you talking about? | 但实际上这不是他们的现实 你看着他们,你喜欢, 你在说什么? |
| 427 | And if it was something from five or ten years ago, you're like, okay, babe | 如果这是五、十年前的事 你就像,好吧,宝贝 |
| 428 | We got it not that we're putting a deadline on it, but let's start working through it | 我们没有规定期限,但是我们开始吧 |
| 429 | Let's not sit in the beginning stages of whatever's holding you back. So it's the balance that you're talking about | 让我们不要坐到 任何阻碍你的开始阶段。 这就是你所说的平衡 |
| 430 | It's a balance. It's it's it's not either or correct because you can't just talk about it forever | 谓之平衡. 是因为你无法永远谈论它,所以它既不正确也不正确 |
| 431 | And you're not doing anything about it at the same time. You can't say i'll get over it today | 亦不同时修行. 你不能说我今天会克服的 |
| 432 | Right, it's that balance like I can't stand people that are like eating a bucket of like haagen-dazs ice cream | 对,我受不了那种平衡 就像吃一桶冰激凌一样 |
| 433 | Like i'm so fat and like they won't work out. They won't change their diet. They won't drink more water | 就像我太胖了,他们不会成功的 他们不会改变他们的饮食。 他们不会再喝水了 |
| 434 | They won't whatever but they're complaining complaining complaining. I'm like, well, you're always going to be in this victimized | 他们不会做任何事,但他们抱怨抱怨。 我很喜欢,嗯, 你总是会在这个受害者 |
| 435 | State because you're literally not doing any you're not being self-aware. You're not even looking at your own reflection saying | 州政府因为你根本没做任何事 你没有自我意识。 你甚至没有看着自己的反射 说 |
| 436 | Okay, what can I do to change things about myself? | 好吧,我能做什么来改变自己的事情? |
| 437 | It's everybody else's fault and what would you say to someone who's in that situation whether it's | 这都是别人的错 你会怎么对处于那种境地的人说 |
| 438 | Whatever is whether it's their physical their emotional their mental | 不管这是不是他们的身体 他们的情感和精神 |
| 439 | How do we then talk to that person or coach them with compassion out of that? | 我们该怎么跟那个人说话 或者用同情心来教育他们? |
| 440 | Like you've done a lot of that work | 就像你做了很多工作一样 |
| 441 | How do you do that with someone else in the same way as we do with ourselves? | 你怎么和我们自己一样对待别人? |
| 442 | Like what would you say to them? It's it's it really does come from within. I think whenever people do things for other people | 你会对他们说什么? 它确实是从里面来的 我觉得每当人们为别人做事的时候 |
| 443 | It's always you're setting yourself up for failure | 你总是在为自己失败做准备 |
| 444 | I think you really genuinely have to want to change areas of your life. And if you don't just be happy with who you are | 我认为你真的要改变你生活的领域 如果你不只是 高兴与你是谁 |
| 445 | um | 垛 |
| 446 | It doesn't I don't care physically what you look like your weight whatever as long as you're healthy and happy | 我不管你身体的体重 不论你身体健康快乐 |
| 447 | Do you? | 是吗? |
| 448 | but I know | 不过我知道 |
| 449 | for me I was overweight for like I was unhealthy for a lot of my life and then when I | 对我来说,我超重了 就像我身体不健康 我的很多生活,然后当我 |
| 450 | Was like I just I started going to the gym during my divorce like a significant and consistent amount | 就像我刚开始去健身房 离婚的时候一样 数额很大而且一贯 |
| 451 | For my mental I needed a release and I needed to feel | 因为我的精神需要释放 我需要感觉 |
| 452 | Strong and I just needed to get rid of all of these thoughts and | 坚强,我只需要摆脱所有这些想法 |
| 453 | I wanted to be alone and the only place to really be alone | 我想独处 和唯一真正孤独的地方 |
| 454 | Was being on an elliptical with headphones in my ears and kind of just vibing out and as a side effect | 在椭圆形上 耳机在我耳边 那种只是振动出来 作为副作用 |
| 455 | I started losing weight and I was like, oh I kind of like this like, you know losing weight and then became like | 我开始减肥,我就像, 哦,我有点像这样, 你知道减肥,然后变得像 |
| 456 | Just some competitive weird streak in me that it was like I want to see if I can get arm muscles | 只是一些竞争怪异的我, 它就像我想看 如果我可以得到手臂肌肉 |
| 457 | I want to see like it started that but that was never my goal was never | 我想看看它是如何开始的 但那从来都不是我的目标 |
| 458 | I want to look good in a bikini. That was never my goal. It was I just wanted to feel good mentally and | 我想穿比基尼好看一点 这从来都不是我的目标。 我只是想在精神上感觉良好 |
| 459 | I think when you start putting yourself first you start feeling so much better | 我觉得当你开始把自己放在第一位的时候 你开始感觉好多了 |
| 460 | There's not a size close that that you have to fit into it's just | 没有大小的接近,你必须适应它只是 |
| 461 | Then you start exploring things like wow. I like how I feel when I drink more water | 然后,你开始探索 像哇。 我喜欢喝更多水的感觉 |
| 462 | I like how I feel when I pray in the morning and because of that you start to become happier and lighter | 我喜欢我早上祷告时的感受 也因为你开始变得更快乐更轻松 |
| 463 | And then you start to want to do more things be more active socialize more whatever it is | 然后,你开始想做更多的事情 更积极社交 |
| 464 | And so many studies now show that even a small amount of exercise a day | 现在很多研究都显示 每天即使锻炼很少 |
| 465 | Is so great for the mind and the brain and I think that's been underestimated for so long | 这对心灵和大脑都很好 我觉得这被低估了这么久 |
| 466 | and I know I underestimated that in my life for so long where | 我知道我低估了 在我的生活这么久,在哪里 |
| 467 | You know | 你知道吗 |
| 468 | I was always someone who focused on the mind and kind of neglected the body and like pushed the body to limits and then I | 我总是专注于心灵 忽视身体 就像把身体推向极限 |
| 469 | Was just like wait a minute. They're all interconnected | 只是等一会 他们都互相连接 |
| 470 | Right, you can't just say oh i'm gonna deal with this i'm not gonna deal with this actually when you take care of mind | 对,你不能只是说 哦,我要处理这个... ... |
| 471 | Body and soul then it starts then you feel the best version of yourself correct and and even if | 身体和灵魂开始,然后你感觉自己最好的版本是正确的,即使 |
| 472 | And that's what I love that even if your first intention for going to the gym or doing anything is wrong | 这就是我喜欢的 即使你第一次打算去健身房或做什么都是错的 |
| 473 | As you do it more you'll probably come to the right conclusion, right? Right? If you stay consistent with something | 你越做越多 你可能得出正确的结论,对吧? 对吧? 如果你跟某件事保持一致 |
| 474 | You usually raise your intention completely. I have a tv show called revenge body and all the people they | 你通常会完全提高你的意图。 我有一个电视秀叫复仇的身体和所有的人 |
| 475 | It's a show and all these people are from different walks of life and they start with some trauma | 这是一场表演 这些人来自不同阶层 他们从创伤开始 |
| 476 | And they all come on the show like I want revenge on and it's like it's a play on words revenge body | 他们都来上节目 就像我要复仇 就像是在文字上演复仇体 |
| 477 | It's not I don't think the best revenge is a good body. It's just a play on words | 我不觉得最好的复仇是好身体 说说而已 |
| 478 | But they come on the show. I want revenge on my ex-boyfriend or on my dad or whoever | 但是,他们来了在节目。 我要报复我的前男友 或我爸爸或任何人 |
| 479 | And i'm always like, okay | 我总是喜欢,好吧 |
| 480 | I'm like the first interview and then towards the show | 我就像第一次面试,然后看节目 |
| 481 | They're feeling so because they think this good body is going to want this person's going to treat them good | 他们觉得这样是因为 他们觉得这个好身体 会希望这个人好好对待他们 |
| 482 | It's like how superficial and narcissistic are we but we are that's the world we live in and so | 就像我们多么肤浅和自恋 但我们就是我们生活的世界 |
| 483 | Towards the end they never want revenge on the person it starts out with they want compassion | 最终,他们从不想要报复 开始的人 他们想要同情 |
| 484 | And they're like I and or I don't want that boyfriend because I deserve better because I feel better | 他们就像我和我不想要那个男朋友 因为我应得的更好 因为我感觉更好 |
| 485 | And the show they think it's all physical. But what we do we kind of break them down mentally to | 和节目 他们认为这是所有物理。 但是,我们做什么 我们有点打破他们的精神 |
| 486 | self-reflect and look at themselves and | 自我反思,看看自己 |
| 487 | Figure out what got them here to this place because you can't always blame somebody else for why you are the way that you are | 找出他们来这的原因 因为你不能总是责怪别人 为什么你会这样 |
| 488 | you have to be accountable too and that's something that | 你也要负责 这件事情 |
| 489 | it means it's | 意思是说 |
| 490 | Means so much to me that through that show people get to | 对我来说意味着很多 通过展示人们可以 |
| 491 | See that a little bit that you might it might start off one way | 你看,一点点,你可能会 它可能会从一种方式开始 |
| 492 | But that's it's all about internal at the end of the day | 但最后都是关于内部的 |
| 493 | Yeah, whatever gets you started is usually a good thing because at least it gets you in there | 是啊,无论你开始什么 通常是好事 因为至少它让你在那里 |
| 494 | But but what I love about what you've just said is that it's just anything that | 但我喜欢的是你刚才说的 就是一切 |
| 495 | Anything that gets us started is a good place to start | 任何让我们开始的,都是好的开始 |
| 496 | But when you're giving someone the power to make you feel beautiful | 但当你给人力量 让你觉得美丽 |
| 497 | You've also just given them the power to make you feel ugly, right? | 你刚刚还给了他们力量 让你觉得自己丑陋 对吧? |
| 498 | And so completely you're just always giving away your power if you don't upgrade that intention | 所以,完全你只是 总是放弃你的力量 如果你不提升这个意图 |
| 499 | and I think we see that in every part whether it's our body our mind our | 我认为我们从每一个方面都看到 不管是我们的身体 我们的思想 |
| 500 | Intellect our academics whatever all these expectations of others the more we're looking for someone to say yes | 告诉我们的学者,不管对别人的这些期望是什么 我们越想找人答应 |
| 501 | You're amazing now. It's like you waiting for that statement. You could wait your whole life for it | 你现在是惊人的。 就像你在等那个声明 你可以等一辈子 |
| 502 | And it could never come right and and it also almost could become an addiction | 也差点成瘾 |
| 503 | Like people they might not it might not be good enough for one from one person. They need it from | 像人一样,他们可能不 它可能不够好 从一个人。 他们需要它 |
| 504 | Thousands in this or whatever, but it's not that it's because they need to hear it from within you need to tell yourself | 这里面有上千人 但并不是因为他们需要从内部听到 你得告诉自己 |
| 505 | You're beautiful | 你很美丽 |
| 506 | You're dope. You're so smart, whatever it is, but they don't feel it. They don't believe it | 你是个笨蛋。 你这么聪明 不管是什么 他们都感觉不到 他们不相信 |
| 507 | So when people keep telling them you're such a good person, they don't believe it at all | 所以当人们一直告诉他们 你是一个好人 他们根本不相信 |
| 508 | That's why they keep trying to find validation in empty things | 所以他们一直试图在空的事物中寻找验证 |
| 509 | I love that that's amazing. You've you've talked about things that you do like gratitude | 我喜欢这惊人。 你说过你喜欢感激的事 |
| 510 | Journaling prayer. What else do you do on a daily basis that you don't negotiate with you? | 日记祷告. 日复一日还作甚么,不与汝商议? |
| 511 | Like I have to obviously exercise too working out. Yeah working out. Yeah that one too | 就像我显然得锻炼得太锻炼 是啊,工作出来。 是啊,那个也 |
| 512 | What else is there in your day that you just like I can't negotiate with this like this has to be | 在你这一天里,你还有什么 像我一样,我不能跟这种人谈判 |
| 513 | Something that I must do every day every week | 我每星期每天必须做的事 |
| 514 | Um, are those the those are pretty much the core. I mean it's | 嗯,是那些 几乎是核心。 我是说... |
| 515 | Praying and working out or like my two that I do | 祈祷和工作 或喜欢我俩做 |
| 516 | Basically every single day and like yesterday I did my schedule wrong or no the day before I did my schedule wrong | 基本上每一天 和昨天一样 我做了我的日程错 或者没有前一天 我做了我的日程错 |
| 517 | So I missed my workout and I was like, oh like I felt | 所以我错过了锻炼,我感觉,哦... |
| 518 | Not I felt fine I went along my day | 不,我感觉很好,我走我的一天 |
| 519 | But I just when I realized that I did my schedule wrong | 但我刚意识到我做错日程安排 |
| 520 | I was like, oh my god, I'm so bummed because what it does I'm not like it just clears my head | 我当时想,哦,我的上帝, 我是如此的郁闷,因为 它做了什么,我不喜欢它 只是让我的头脑清醒。 |
| 521 | I feel so good afterwards. So whatever that is for people it doesn't have to be what your non-negotiables are or mine | 之后感觉好极了 所以不管对人们来说 都不必是你们不可谈判的东西 |
| 522 | It's just I think everybody has to have | 我只是觉得每个人都有 |
| 523 | Those there are like I think they they fuel me | 那儿的人好像我以为他们能给我加油 |
| 524 | Yeah, you talked about working with your family, which I think is fascinating | 是啊,你谈到 与你的家人工作, 我认为是迷人的 |
| 525 | Which I think is fascinating | 我觉得很迷人 |
| 526 | in in the first sense because it's an amazing thing that you're | 从第一种意义上说,因为你是一个惊人的事情, |
| 527 | constantly surrounded by working with | 不断围绕与 |
| 528 | You know just you're just in that environment all the time and you said that you're good at moving on and forgiving each other which I think | 你知道,只是你只是 在这种环境 所有的时间, 你说,你擅长 前进和原谅对方 我认为 |
| 529 | It's an incredible quality as well | 质量也好极了 |
| 530 | Like what's that like to to deal with every day and how are you how are you learning more from that experience? | 比如说,每天要处理什么问题, 你怎么从这种经历中学到更多东西? |
| 531 | Like what are you learning from that? | 你从中学到了什么? |
| 532 | I think it's one of the | 我想这是其中之一 |
| 533 | Best blessings in the world that I get to say that my job is being with my family every day | 世上最好的祝福,我可以说 我的工作是每天和家人在一起 |
| 534 | Um when this first started we were much younger. I think it was 23 or 24 | 嗯,当这个开始 我们更年轻。 我觉得是23或24 |
| 535 | I'm still 23 or 24. I don't know how that works. But yeah, we're in the same. Yeah, I'm like what um, but it | 我还是23或24岁 我不知道这是怎么回事。 但是,是的,我们是同一个人。 是啊,我喜欢什么,嗯,但是它 |
| 536 | You know norm when you get older you all have your own families and kids and not that anything happens, but you normally see your family | 你知道当你变老了,你都有自己的家庭和孩子, 而不是发生任何事情, 但你通常看到你的家庭 |
| 537 | Holidays not as frequently we see each other every single day and i'm honored to be able to do that | 假日我们没有经常见面 我很荣幸能够这样 |
| 538 | Yes, their cause is more fighting or tension | 是的,他们的事业是战斗或紧张 |
| 539 | But the thing that i've learned about my family is we are loyal and we no matter what disagreement we have or whatever | 但是,我学到的事情 关于我的家人是,我们是忠诚的, 不管我们有什么分歧或什么 |
| 540 | We'll always figure it out. We're not a family. That's like I haven't spoke to my sister in seven years like | 常得解脱. 我们不是一家人 好像我七年没跟我姐姐说话了 |
| 541 | I don't know how people do that and | 我不知道人们怎么做到的 |
| 542 | We are very understanding of each other | 我们非常了解对方 |
| 543 | um | 垛 |
| 544 | and I just think it's a really great dynamic like we're understanding of | 我只是觉得这是一个非常伟大的动态 像我们理解 |
| 545 | If we're all going through something or whatever we really try to be there for one another and support them through that | 如果我们都在经历一些事情 或什么 我们真正试图在那里为彼此, 并通过支持他们 |
| 546 | and I just think it's | 我只是觉得 |
| 547 | I think it's important to show our kids about family unity or to show that | 我认为重要的是要向我们的孩子展示 家庭团结或显示 |
| 548 | You know two heads are better than one three are better than two. We're not competitive with one another and whatever | 你知道两个头比三个好 比两个好 我们没有竞争对手 |
| 549 | We each want to do we support each other until the end and I I think today's world everyone's like | 我们都想做 我们互相支持 直到结束 我认为今天的世界 每个人都喜欢 |
| 550 | in a battle to who's the best and who's this and who's that and | 在战斗中,谁是最好的,谁是谁,是谁是谁 |
| 551 | when we first started I remember like | 我们刚开始的时候 我记得 |
| 552 | Interviewers would always say so like do you guys go after the same men or do you like they would always like our questions would be | 采访者总是这么说 就像你们去追同一个人一样 或者你喜欢他们总是喜欢我们的问题 |
| 553 | More they would almost want us to fight. They didn't they couldn't stand that we it was just really like | 他们更想让我们战斗 他们不能忍受 我们只是像 |
| 554 | No, we just love each other | 不,我们只是相爱 |
| 555 | and I don't know why people love | 我不知道为什么人们喜欢 |
| 556 | something salacious and twisted rather than | 既健康又扭曲的事物 |
| 557 | beautiful and | 美丽和 |
| 558 | Just kind | 好样的 |
| 559 | Right | 对 |
| 560 | No, but I mean it's true and it's interesting but that's you know, I guess | 不,但我的意思是,这是真的, 它很有趣,但你知道,我想 |
| 561 | Good stories don't sell. That's why | 好故事不卖。 这就是为什么 |
| 562 | And I think we can change that like the the reason why I do what I do and what I really believe in and | 我想我们可以改变这一点 就像为什么我做 我做什么,我真正相信什么 |
| 563 | Why we've connected and what I love about our connection is I genuinely believe | 为什么我们有联系,而我喜欢的 我们的联系,是我真的相信 |
| 564 | That if we keep giving people if we if we keep shooting for the lowest common denominator for people | 如果我们继续给别人 如果我们继续拍摄 对于人们的最低共同标准 |
| 565 | Then they'll settle for that right? Like if you only put junk food | 然后他们就同意了? 就像你只放垃圾食品一样 |
| 566 | In front of someone yeah, they're gonna take that and eat that right | 当着别人的面 他们要吃那东西 |
| 567 | But if you put healthy food that maybe looks and tastes like junk food | 但如果你放健康的食物 看上去像垃圾食品 |
| 568 | But that's you know, really amazing then most people will switch right and and I feel the same is true of media | 但是,你知道,真的惊人, 那么大多数人会转右 而我觉得同样的是媒体 |
| 569 | I feel the same is true of stories. I feel the same is true of everything. I I believe that people are more beautiful deeper | 我觉得故事也一样 我觉得一切都一样 我相信人们更美丽 |
| 570 | And smarter than we believe and we don't give we don't always give everyone an opportunity to live to that and therefore | 并且比我们相信的聪明,我们不给 我们并不总是给每个人 生存的机会,因此 |
| 571 | people with influence people with responsibility people with power | 人有影响力 人有责任 人有权力 |
| 572 | Can either choose to sell something that shoots at the lowest common easy thing to shoot at and it's easier to sell | 要么就选卖最普通的 容易拍到的东西 容易卖 |
| 573 | garbage quite frankly, it's so much easier | 老实说,这很容易 |
| 574 | but | 不过 |
| 575 | We are the ones with the influence of the power to say no actually let's let's make people | 我们才是那些有权力说不的人 让我们来造人吧 |
| 576 | Right aspire for the higher that we know that's inside of them, right? | 右向往越高,我们知道 这是他们内部,对不对? |
| 577 | Yeah, it's interesting. I get so many people will comment negatively when I post almost positive things | 是啊,这是有趣的。 我得到这么多人 会负面评论 当我贴出几乎积极的东西 |
| 578 | I have I have ups and downs. I have a handful of | 我有升降。 我有点 |
| 579 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我喜欢你最需要的就是这个 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我需要你 | |
| 580 | you can tell the people that are really suffering the most because they're so quick to condemn and to | 你可以告诉那些真正受苦最深的人 因为他们那么快就谴责他们 |
| 581 | just | 刚刚 |
| 582 | Take the junk food. They just want the bad stuff | 拿垃圾食品来 他们只想要坏东西 |
| 583 | They can't handle the good things and especially when it's consistent because that's just | 他们不能处理好事情 特别是当它一致的时候 因为那只是 |
| 584 | I post for me. I don't post for other people like i'm like this is for me | 我为我发帖. 我不给别人贴像这样的东西,我是这样的 |
| 585 | I need to hear those messages and if I need to hear it i'm hoping at least one other person does | 我需要听到那些消息 如果我需要听到它 我希望至少另一个人知道 |
| 586 | and but it's interesting that you can see right off like the people that are resistant to it because | 但有趣的是,你可以看 直接关闭像人们 谁抵制它,因为 |
| 587 | some people don't they also don't want to open their mind up to becoming better people because | 有些人也不愿意敞开心扉 成为更好的人 因为 |
| 588 | Sometimes your own comfort | 有时候,你自己的安慰 |
| 589 | Will restrict you from your own happiness though because they're too afraid to step away from their comfort zone | 将限制你的幸福 虽然因为他们太害怕 远离他们的舒适地带 |
| 590 | They would rather just be complacent | 他们宁愿自满 |
| 591 | Instead of actually finding like something that really makes them happy and excited about life | 而不是真正发现的东西 真正让他们快乐和兴奋的生活 |
| 592 | Yeah, and I think I remember being there sometimes too | 是啊,我想我记得有时也在那里 |
| 593 | and and so like what you were saying earlier of like having empathy towards that person and then | 就像你刚才所说的 喜欢同情那个人 然后 |
| 594 | Praying for them and hopefully opening the door for them one day or having you know, wherever they're going to find that because I do believe that | 为他们祈祷 希望有一天能为他们打开大门 或者让你知道 无论他们在哪里会发现 |
| 595 | The more we have these conversations publicly openly the more these kind of messages circulate and go viral and get shared | 我们越是公开这些谈话 越是公开传播和传播这些讯息 |
| 596 | The more people feel the permission and the reflection to look within themselves | 人越觉得允许和思考 |
| 597 | It's almost like if it's not out there | 碞钩⊿ |
| 598 | If you've never heard it from your parents if you've never heard it from your teachers | 如果你从不听父母的话 如果你从不听老师的话 |
| 599 | If you never heard it from your best friend growing up or the person you looked up to | 如果你从来没有听到 从你最好的朋友长大 或者你期待的人 |
| 600 | It's kind of a lot of this stuff. We expect people to have self-taught but | 这是一种很多这样的东西。 我们期望人们能自学但 |
| 601 | It's not it's something you have to hear from someone that you look up to or inspired by that kind of gets you going | 这不是你必须听到的东西 从某人,你仰望或灵感 那种让你去 |
| 602 | It's interesting. You said give yourself permission to look inside yourself and it's | 这很有趣。 你说你允许自己看看自己内心 |
| 603 | It blows my mind that so many people do feel like they need the permission | 这么多人觉得他们需要许可 这让我心碎 |
| 604 | When you're in control of your own self, but so many people | 当你控制你自己的时候,但这么多人 |
| 605 | They want to be like sheep. They just want to be told what to do and let me follow the herd and that's just | 他们想像羊一样 他们只是想被告知该怎么做 让我跟在牧群后面 |
| 606 | It's mind-blowing to me. Yeah. Yeah, it is it is tell me something that | 这让我心烦意乱 对 是的,它是告诉我一些事情 |
| 607 | You've learned from true and something you're trying to teach her | 你从真实中学到了什么 你试图教她的东西 |
| 608 | Oh | 瓳 |
| 609 | Because so many of us because her energy on hi malika | 因为我们很多人 因为她精力充沛 |
| 610 | Malika's here. That's my best friend | 马利卡来了 这是我最好的朋友 |
| 611 | So nice to see you. Thanks for being here. Yeah, nice to meet you. I'll give you a big hug in a moment | 很高兴见到你。 谢谢你能来 是啊,很高兴见到你。 我一会儿给你一个大拥抱 |
| 612 | Yeah, yeah later definitely | 是啊,是啊 以后绝对 |
| 613 | But I I know that you post so much about her | 但我知道你这么贴她 |
| 614 | We've we've spoken about her. I think her energy radiates straight off the page | 我们谈过她的事了 我觉得她的能量能直接从页面上射出来 |
| 615 | You know, my team was speaking about her earlier as well. Like | 我的团队之前也在谈论她 喜欢 |
| 616 | Yeah, what what has she taught you and what are you trying to teach her? | 是啊,她教你什么 你想教她什么? |
| 617 | I'm asking this because i haven't had kids yet. Oh my god. No, she's and it's interesting. I never | 我问这个是因为我还没有孩子。 天呐 不,她是,这很有趣。 我从来没有 |
| 618 | like you can feel your child's personality and | 就像你能感觉到你孩子的个性 |
| 619 | Like she's a really good person. She has empathy already for other people | 好像她是个好人 她已经同情别人了 |
| 620 | And it's it sounds crazy that you can know that but you can I never really understood that until I had a child | 这听起来很疯狂 你可以知道, 但你可以 我从来没有真正理解 直到我有一个孩子 |
| 621 | And i've always had patience i'm good with patient i've always loved kids | 我总是有耐心 我对耐心很在行 我一直爱孩子 |
| 622 | But she gives you a different | 但她给你一个不同的 |
| 623 | Kind of patience and when you feel that like you're exhausted and you can't go on with your day | 那种耐心 当你觉得你累坏了 无法继续你的一天 |
| 624 | when you're around your own child you get this surge of energy and you're just like oh I gotta keep going like | 当你在自己的孩子身边 你得到这股能量的涌现 而你就像哦,我必须继续这样 |
| 625 | You you just figure it out. And so she just gives me I think more of a drive and | 你只要想办法 所以她只是给我 我更想开车 |
| 626 | And | 还有 |
| 627 | To stay fit to stay healthy because I want to be an active mom with her | 保持身体健康 因为我想和她做个活跃的妈妈 |
| 628 | I want to be here as long as I can | 我想在这里待多久 |
| 629 | um | 垛 |
| 630 | But I would say it's a different type of patience. I think it's a softer patience | 但我会说这是一种不同的耐心。 我觉得这是一个比较柔软的耐心 |
| 631 | And I mean i've always been goofy. I've always been silly. So my inner child is there and I will be the first one to | 我是说我一直都很傻 我总是很傻 所以,我的内在孩子在那里 我会是第一个 |
| 632 | Play and be wild and I don't care how I look like i'm like i'll be an animal. It doesn't matter | 玩儿狂野,我不在乎我长得像动物一样 没关系 |
| 633 | But I mean you're just like reliving your childhood again. It's fun. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome | 但是,我的意思是,你只是像 重生你的童年。 趣无边故. 对 哦,这是真棒 |
| 634 | Yeah, so that's what she's teaching you. She's and she's also she's taught me so much more understanding from my mom | 是啊,所以这是她教你的。 她也从我妈那里学到了我更多 |
| 635 | and | 和 |
| 636 | You just realize that I think when you're a kid you think your parents are | 你只是意识到,我想 当你还是个孩子,你以为你的父母是 |
| 637 | Superheroes and they are but you still have to understand | 超级英雄和他们是, 但你仍然必须明白 |
| 638 | They're just humans | 他们只是人类 |
| 639 | They're still | 他们还在 |
| 640 | Like i'm just a person doctors are just people we give everybody so much power | 就像我只是一个人 医生只是人 我们给每个人如此多的力量 |
| 641 | And they're allowed to make mistakes they're allowed to not know what they're doing. My mom didn't have google | 并准其犯错,以知其事. 我妈妈没有谷歌 |
| 642 | How the hell did she figure things out? Like now me i'm like, I don't know. Can kids have honey? I'm like | 她是怎么弄出来的? 就像现在的我一样 我不知道 孩子们能吃蜂蜜吗? и碞钩 |
| 643 | I have no idea. I ask my phone and I get the answer back. Then it's like I have so much more | 我不知道,我还不知道 我问我的电话,我得到答案。 那就好像我有这么多 |
| 644 | compassion, I think for my mom and if | 同情心,我想为我妈妈,如果 |
| 645 | When I was a teenager and i'm like, oh why did you do this to me when I was a kid and whatever and i'm like | 我十几岁的时候,我很喜欢, 哦,为什么你这样对我 当我还是个孩子,什么的,我喜欢 |
| 646 | Because she didn't know yeah, she had like, you know, I feel like you just I have more understanding and compassion for my mom | 因为她不知道是的,她喜欢, 你知道,我觉得你 只是我更理解和同情我妈妈 |
| 647 | Yeah, absolutely. I love that. We did a podcast I did a podcast about three weeks ago | 当然 我喜欢 我们做了播客 我做了播客 大约三周前 |
| 648 | And it was called six reasons why we need to develop the emotional skills | 这被称为六个原因,为什么我们需要发展 情感技能 |
| 649 | Our parents didn't have and one of them was to recognize how hard it is | 我们的父母没有,他们中的一个 是承认有多难 |
| 650 | Yeah | 对 |
| 651 | and and the second one was to build compassion because of how hard it is and to recognize what you just said like the | 而第二个是建立同情心 因为有多么困难 并承认你刚才说的话 |
| 652 | The ease at which we have information the more conversations about parenting now and like more research that's been done | 我们掌握的信息越容易 父母的谈话就越多 就像已经做了更多的研究 |
| 653 | And you look at parents before all they had was just what their parents told them and that was passed down and passed down and passed down | 你看看父母 之前,他们有 只是他们的父母告诉他们, 这是经过了下来,经过了下来, |
| 654 | So yeah, that's a beautiful lesson. I'm excited to see what I learned when when I have children | 所以,这是一个美丽的教训。 我很高兴看到当我有孩子时学到了什么 |
| 655 | Yeah, but those are definitely beautiful ones. It's the best. Yeah, it is the best | 是的,但这些绝对是美丽的。 这是最好的。 是啊,这是最好的 |
| 656 | Yeah, those are definitely beautiful ones that I can I can take forward | 是啊,这些绝对是美丽的,我可以前进 |
| 657 | What is it that's on your mind right now? | 你现在在想什么? |
| 658 | Were that when we were talking and we decided to do this what was there that was in your heart that you were like | 如果我们在谈话的时候 我们决定做这个 你心里想的是什么 |
| 659 | Yeah, I really want to share this. I want to talk about this that we haven't kind of dived into right now | 是啊,我真的想分享这个。 我想谈谈我们还没潜入的这个 |
| 660 | You're like there's something on my mind that | 你好像我心里有什么东西 |
| 661 | No, I feel like I mean I was so excited | 不,我觉得我太兴奋了 |
| 662 | Just to sit with you and to have this natural conversation | 就为了跟你坐在一起 自然地交谈 |
| 663 | I feel like we've touched a lot of topics and I love that | 我觉得我们接触了很多话题 我喜欢 |
| 664 | I didn't want it to be too contrived and about promoting something | 我不希望它太巧妙 宣传什么 |
| 665 | I just wanted it to be like a beautiful conversation. So I appreciate that and I feel like I don't know. Is there anything else? | 我只是想让它像一个美丽的谈话。 所以我很感激,我觉得我不知道。 还有别的吗? |
| 666 | Thinking no, that was the same for me. My intention was to just | 想着不,那对我来说是一样的。 我的意图只是 |
| 667 | I wanted to hold space to just | 我想保持空间 |
| 668 | hear you and let you talk and share because | 听你的,让你说话和分享,因为 |
| 669 | like I said at the start from any conversation we've had | 就像我在谈话开始时说过的那样 |
| 670 | I just think that | 我只是觉得 |
| 671 | Your journey of figuring it out sharing this positive message that energy is so awesome and I want everyone to experience that | 你的旅程,想出它 分享这个积极的信息, 能量是如此的真棒, 我希望每个人都体验 |
| 672 | Thank you, and that's what my intention was and I and I think i've had that today | 谢谢,这就是我的意图,我和我想我已经得到了今天 |
| 673 | I'm just sitting here listening to you going i've just learned so many things today. Oh my gosh, and that's the thing | 我只是坐在这里听你去 我今天学到了很多东西 哦,我的天哪,这是事情 |
| 674 | I think I our show is our show and that's a | 我想我的节目是我们的节目,这是一个 |
| 675 | That's a piece of me. I don't blame anything like on editing. That's who I am. That's one but that's one | 这是我的一部分。 我不怪编辑之类的 这就是我。 这是一,但这是一个 |
| 676 | Layer of who I am and I don't really get to | 层层的我是谁, 我不是真的得到 |
| 677 | Devulge in this layer of who I am. I mean I do little bits here or there on instagram | 在这层层我是谁。 我的意思是,我在这里做一点点 或那里在Instagram |
| 678 | But sometimes like I said, it's hard because people tear it apart from what they ever what their level is to perceive something | 但有时就像我说的,这是很难的 因为人们撕裂它 与他们曾经的 水平是什么, |
| 679 | And sometimes that discourages me from wanting to share because that's not at all | 有时候这让我不愿分享 因为那根本不是 |
| 680 | What I meant, but when you're able to really vocalize something and have a natural dialogue | 我的意思是,但当你能够真正 发出一些东西 并有一个自然的对话 |
| 681 | It's sometimes it's easier to share how you feel. So thank you for giving me this platform to do so | 有时分享自己的感受会比较容易. 谢谢你给我这个平台 |
| 682 | no, of course, that's I mean, that's what I love about podcasts in the first place, but also just like | 不,当然,我是说,这就是我喜欢播客的初衷,但也喜欢 |
| 683 | Yeah, just being able to dissect the topic for like 30 minutes 40 minutes like | 是啊,只是可以解析 话题大约30分钟 40分钟像 |
| 684 | That's we need more of that to also understand people better and give people an opportunity | 我们需要更多这些 来更好地理解人们 给人们一个机会 |
| 685 | But i'm hoping that we're going to continue seeing you share your work | 但我希望我们能继续看到你分享你的工作 |
| 686 | I'm hoping that we're going to see more of your journals | 我希望我们能多看看你们的日记 |
| 687 | I'm hoping i'm praying that we're going to see more of that expression. Thank you because I truly believe it's helping people | 我希望我祈祷我们会看到更多这样的表情 谢谢你,因为我真的相信 这对人们有帮助 |
| 688 | and and the the percentages are always going to be in your favor because | 百分比总是会有利于你 因为 |
| 689 | I think the amount of people that are good and seeking good and | 我认为,有多少人是好人 并寻求好, |
| 690 | Are starting with good intentions is so much more powerful and stronger and I want you to feel that. Thank you | 从善意开始 更强大 更强壮 我希望你能感觉到这一点 谢谢 |
| 691 | Well, you're definitely a huge like motivation | 嗯,你绝对是一个巨大的动机 |
| 692 | I know for so many people that I know and it's I know it's scary and sometimes really daunting and | 我知道这么多人,我知道 我知道这是可怕的,有时真的很可怕, |
| 693 | Heavy because so many people do someone like you turn to you because I know the little amount that people turn to me | 这么重的人做你这样的人 因为我知道人们对我倾斜的微量 |
| 694 | And i'm not some self-help | 我也不是个自救的人 |
| 695 | Retired monk. Are you a retired monk? Yeah, I don't know former monk. I don't know what the proper term is | 复次僧问. 你是退休的和尚吗? 对,我不认识前僧 我不知道什么是适当的术语 |
| 696 | but like I could only imagine how draining it gets for you because | 但就像我只能想象 如何耗尽它给你,因为 |
| 697 | people are | 人们是 |
| 698 | requiring so much of your energy but | 需要你这么多精力 |
| 699 | You know keep going because you've helped me in so many ways and just by | 你知道继续走是因为你在很多方面 帮助了我,只是通过 |
| 700 | remember the first time I ever heard about you someone sent me a youtube video of you was before I found you on instagram and | 记得我第一次听说你的事 有人给我发了你Youtube的视频 在我发现你上Instagram之前 |
| 701 | I was like who is this man? He is you're so moving | 我就像这个人是谁? 他是你这么动人 |
| 702 | You're so genuine and kind with what you're saying | 你对你说的那么真诚和善良 |
| 703 | And from what I feel non-judgmental and it's just a really amazing trait that you have | 从我感觉没有判断力的角度看 这真是惊人的特质 |
| 704 | And I know you're helping a lot of people and you've made me feel like it's okay to share more things | 我知道你在帮助很多人 你让我觉得可以分享更多的东西 |
| 705 | And that's why I like to share more other people's stuff | 所以我喜欢分享别人的东西 |
| 706 | Because I feel like people sometimes they get too critical if they think it's just mine | 因为我觉得人们有时会太过批评 如果他们认为只是我的 |
| 707 | And they need to know that it's okay to share love and kindness the way that you do | 他们需要知道 分享爱和善心是正常的 |
| 708 | So thank you. Yeah, and thank you for encouraging people like me | 谢谢 是啊,谢谢你鼓励我这样的人 |
| 709 | I'm humbled by hearing that from you and uh, it means the world it it really does because | 我谦卑地从你那里听到,嗯,这意味着世界 它真的做因为 |
| 710 | There's there's a beautiful statement that was said by martin luther king and he was talking about how like those who love peace | 马尔廷·卢瑟王说过一个美丽的声明 他在谈论喜欢和平的人 |
| 711 | Need to learn to organize themselves as well as those who love war | 要学会组织自己和喜欢战争的人 |
| 712 | And and I think that those of us who are in this mission and purpose of wanting to spread kindness and and not just in like this | 我认为我们中那些 执行这个任务和目的的人 想要传播善意 而不是像这样 |
| 713 | Positive movement sort of way like I think like real work real healing real transformation | 积极运动有点像我想的 真正的工作 真正的治愈 真正的转变 |
| 714 | Not just like let's be happy not that kind of stuff, but let's really do the work. Let's really heal | 不只是让我们高兴 而不是那种东西, 但让我们做真正的工作。 我们好好疗伤吧 |
| 715 | right, I think it's it's really | 是的,我想这是真的 |
| 716 | Encouraging when we work together and we encourage each other and and help to build stuff together | 互相鼓励 互相帮助 共同打造东西 |
| 717 | and sometimes people find it so | 有时人们会发现 |
| 718 | Like oh you guys are just so happy. It's like i'm not happy all the time | 你们真开心 好像我一直不开心 |
| 719 | Yeah, I you know, I have my moments and i'm still very like there's things i'm like | 是啊,你知道,我有我的时刻 我仍然非常喜欢 有我喜欢的东西 |
| 720 | Really? I have to do that or whatever. But then I have to also be like, okay | 真的吗? 我不得不这样做什么的。 但我也一样,好吗? |
| 721 | No, I get to do that. Like I have to change my | 不,我这样做。 就像我必须改变我的 |
| 722 | Thinking I have to talk to myself sometimes so it's not like once you have | 想想我有时得跟自己说话 这样就不像你曾经有过 |
| 723 | This mentality you're always in it. It's just a great reminder for ourselves and also just to change | 这种心态你总是在其中。 只是提醒我们自己 改变自己 |
| 724 | Your wording from I have to to I get to like little things like that | 你的措辞从我不得不 我得到喜欢这样的小事 |
| 725 | If you just try if you're just aware | 如果你只是尝试 如果你只是意识到 |
| 726 | It would help you. I think people think it's also too | 这会帮助你。 我想人们也觉得 |
| 727 | overwhelming to | 绝对是 |
| 728 | Just be kind or and like you said, it's a little | 慈悲或如你所说 有点 |
| 729 | Two percent not even have to be five percent, you know | 2%甚至不用是5%,你知道 |
| 730 | Like it could just be a little bit and what that shift will do for yourself. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome | 就像它可能只是一点点, 以及这个转变会给自己带来什么好处。 对 是啊,这是真棒 |
| 731 | Well, i'm hoping that anyone who listens to or watches this conversation | 我希望任何听或看这个谈话的人 |
| 732 | Uh feels the energy that i'm feeling right now from you and from being in this space and | 感觉此刻我感受到的能量 从你和在这个空间, |
| 733 | Hearing everything you've been saying | 听到你说的话 |
| 734 | I hope that they get to feel that too | 我希望他们也能感觉到 |
| 735 | And I hope that they carry that throughout their day and their year and | 我希望他们能带着它 度过他们的一天和一年 |
| 736 | We all continue to heal and grow together because we're all figuring it out together. We are | 我们都在继续治疗和成长,因为我们都在共同思考。 我们是 |
| 737 | Yeah, and we end every interview with a quick final five, which is like a rapid fire quick fire round | 是啊,我们结束每一次采访 快速的最后5, 这就像一个快速火速的回合 |
| 738 | So you can answer in one word to one sentence maximum. Oh my god. Uh, so these are easy | 这样你就可以用一个词回答到一个句子的最大. 天呐 呃,所以这些很容易 |
| 739 | So the first question is number one, how do you unplug? | 第一个问题是如何解开插头? |
| 740 | How do I unplug? Yeah, that's one | 我怎么解开插头? 是啊,这是一个 |
| 741 | Well, you can see yeah phone is that what i'm just generally how do you unplug? | 嗯,你可以看到是的手机 是,我只是 通常你如何解开插头? |
| 742 | No, no, how do you unplug? How do you choose to unplug? You can answer in a sentence | 不,不,你怎么解开插头? 你怎么解开插头? 你可以用一句话回答 |
| 743 | Or more you can say more you can say more i'm not good when you limit me to speak | 或者更多,你可以说更多,你可以说更多,我不好 当你限制我说话 |
| 744 | Okay, i'm not gonna limit you. I am a talker. I should not limit you. Okay. Let's go | 好吧,我不会限制你。 我是个会说话的人 我不应该限制你 摆 我们走吧 |
| 745 | I would just say I unplug | 我只是说我解开插头 |
| 746 | In the mornings when I do my morning routine. Okay. Awesome | 早上,当我做我的早晨的例行公事。 摆 厉害 |
| 747 | Uh question number two, what's one change that you made that you feel really | 问题二,你做了什么改变,你觉得真的 |
| 748 | Boosted your life one change that you made that really changed everything | 你改变了你的生活 真正改变了一切 |
| 749 | Um getting into fitness. Okay. Awesome. Question number three. What's your weirdest strangest habit? | 嗯,进入健身。 摆 厉害 第三问. 你最奇怪的习惯是什么? |
| 750 | Good question | 问得好 |
| 751 | I'm gonna come over. What is it? What is my strangest habit? I feel like i'm weird | 我会过来的。 这是什么? 我最奇怪的习惯是什么? 我觉得我很奇怪 |
| 752 | Oh | 瓳 |
| 753 | What is it | 这是什么 |
| 754 | I have a box of hot tamales by my bed. I love that | 我床边有一盒热玉米饼 我喜欢 |
| 755 | But like thank you for being here for 400 years. Is that my okay? That's my weirdest thing god | 但是谢谢你在这里呆了400年 这是我的好吗? 这是我最奇怪的事情,上帝 |
| 756 | I love that | 我喜欢 |
| 757 | Uh question number four. What's your wish for everyone who's listening to this episode? | 问题四 你对听这集的人有什么愿望? |
| 758 | So | 这么说 |
| 759 | My wish would be | 我希望这样 |
| 760 | My and my wish would be is that they | 我和我希望他们 |
| 761 | Would focus on | 将专注于 |
| 762 | Doing one kind act every day and that could just be a smirk | 每天做一种行为 可能只是个笑柄 |
| 763 | Hold the door open. It doesn't have to be overwhelming. I think if someone if everybody who listens to your podcast actually did that | 把门打开 不须大乘. 我想如果有人听播客的话 |
| 764 | it would be | 这将是 |
| 765 | Magical | 魔术 |
| 766 | And question number five. When are you coming over for dinner? Oh my god | 及问第五. 你什么时候过来吃晚饭? 天呐 |
| 767 | What are you doing tonight? | 你今晚要干吗? |
| 768 | No, we'd love to have you over me and my wife | 不,我们很希望你能取代我和我妻子 |
| 769 | I love having people out for dinner to connect more and etc. So we'd love to oh awesome. Okay | 我喜欢有人出去吃晚饭 以连接更多等等。 所以,我们想哦真棒。 还好 |
| 770 | Malika, yeah | 马里卡,是的 |
| 771 | Yeah, and and I want to meet true. Yeah, she's I know she's gonna do your next podcast. Yes | 是的,我想见见真人 是啊,她我知道她会做你的下一个播客。 对 |
| 772 | Oh my gosh amazing | 哦,我的天哪,惊人的, |
| 773 | That would be the cutest thing ever. Oh, that would be awesome. That would be awesome. I'll hold you to that. Yeah, you're amazing | 这将是有史以来最可爱的事情。 哦,这将是真棒。 这将是真棒。 我将抱着你。 是啊,你真厉害 |
| 774 | Chloe, thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for agreeing to this. I hope it's been meaningful to you | 克洛伊,非常感谢你这样做。 谢谢你同意了 我希望这对你有意义 |
| 775 | Meaningful and fun insightful. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. And I hope we do many more of these. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Awesome | 有意义和有趣的见解。 谢谢 厉害 谢谢 我希望我们做更多的这些。 对 对 谢谢 厉害 |
| 776 | Thanks guys | 谢谢各位 |
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| 778 | I'm also excited to let you know that you can now get my book think like a monk from thinklikeamonkbook.com | 我也很高兴让你知道 你现在可以让我的书像一个僧侣一样思考了 |
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| 0:00 | From the literally the minute we come into this world, I mean, even though we're not | 从我们进入这个世界的那一刻起, 我的意思是,尽管我们不是 |
| 0:03 | quite aware of it when we're that young, but you know, we're, we're looking for cues from | 这么年轻的时候就意识到了 但是你知道的 我们在找一些线索 |
| 0:08 | our parents. | 我们的父母。 |
| 0:09 | We're looking for cues from our friends, our family, our, our school, our society. | 我们在找我们的朋友,我们的家人,我们学校,我们的社会的提示. |
| 0:13 | Who am I? | 我是谁? |
| 0:15 | Do I have worth in this world? | 我在这世上值钱吗? |
| 0:17 | And unfortunately, I think, uh, most people's parents are not qualified to be able to even | 不幸的是,我认为,嗯,大多数人的父母 不具备资格 能够甚至 |
| 0:24 | help them truly understand a lot of these concepts because they were never taught. | 帮助他们真正理解这些概念中的许多,因为从来没有教过它们. |
| 0:29 | Hello everyone. | 產 |
| 0:30 | Thank you so much for coming back to On Purpose, the number one podcast in the world. | 非常感谢你回到了《目的》 世界上的头号播客。 |
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| 1 | From the literally the minute we come into this world, I mean, even though we're not | 从我们进入这个世界的那一刻起, 我的意思是,尽管我们不是 |
| 2 | quite aware of it when we're that young, but you know, we're, we're looking for cues from | 这么年轻的时候就意识到了 但是你知道的 我们在找一些线索 |
| 3 | our parents. | 我们的父母。 |
| 4 | We're looking for cues from our friends, our family, our, our school, our society. | 我们在找我们的朋友,我们的家人,我们学校,我们的社会的提示. |
| 5 | Who am I? | 我是谁? |
| 6 | Do I have worth in this world? | 我在这世上值钱吗? |
| 7 | And unfortunately, I think, uh, most people's parents are not qualified to be able to even | 不幸的是,我认为,嗯,大多数人的父母 不具备资格 能够甚至 |
| 8 | help them truly understand a lot of these concepts because they were never taught. | 帮助他们真正理解这些概念中的许多,因为从来没有教过它们. |
| 9 | Hello everyone. | 產 |
| 10 | Thank you so much for coming back to On Purpose, the number one podcast in the world. | 非常感谢你回到了《目的》 世界上的头号播客。 |
| 11 | I'm so grateful for each and every one of you for taking out time out of your days and | 我非常感谢你们每个人 抽出你的时间 |
| 12 | nights whenever you listen to learn, to grow, to thrive, to choose, to educate, enlighten | 夜晚,每当你听 学习,成长,繁荣,选择,教育,启蒙 |
| 13 | and enliven yourselves. | 使自己充满活力。 |
| 14 | And you know that I'm always trying to get guests that I think are coming from a really | 你知道,我总是试图得到 客人,我认为是来自一个真正的 |
| 15 | authentic place. | 真实的地方。 |
| 16 | And today's guest is exactly that. | 而今宾主正是如此. |
| 17 | I'm so excited to introduce you to our next guest, who's an American actor and singer. | 我很高兴能向您介绍下一位嘉宾,她是一位美国演员和歌手. |
| 18 | You may know him from Chuck, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, and most recently, he actually | 你可能认识他 查克,伟大的麦瑟尔夫人 最近,他实际上 |
| 19 | plays Shazam in DC's new movie, Shazam. | 在DC的新电影"沙扎姆"中饰演沙扎姆. |
| 20 | So I'm so excited. | 我太兴奋了 |
| 21 | Zachary Levi 谢谢你来这 | |
| 22 | Honored to be here, man. | 很荣幸能来 |
| 23 | Thank you so much for having me. | 谢谢你邀请我 |
| 24 | Jay Shetty, everyone. | 杰伊・谢蒂,大家好。 |
| 25 | Jay Shetty. | 杰伊·谢蒂. |
| 26 | Oh God. | 天呐 |
| 27 | That is, that's so good. | 这是,这是非常好的。 |
| 28 | I practice it at, uh, at night. | 我晚上练的 |
| 29 | You were doing accents earlier too, and I was thinking, wow, this, this is really good. | 你之前也做口音, 我在想,哇,这个,这是非常好的。 |
| 30 | Was I doing accents? | 我做口音吗? |
| 31 | You were. | 没错 |
| 32 | What was I doing? | 我当时在做什么? |
| 33 | You're doing the Italian. | 你做意大利语。 |
| 34 | Oh, Italian. | 哦,意大利语。 |
| 35 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 36 | Hands, though. | 手虽然. |
| 37 | Otherwise, you're not really doing it well. | 否则,你做得很好。 |
| 38 | You've got it. | 汝当得么. |
| 39 | Yeah, you've got it. | 是的,你已经得到了它。 |
| 40 | But no, I'm genuinely, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, I'm genuinely so grateful | 不,我真心的,我是真心的,我是真心的,我是真心的 |
| 41 | that you're here. | 你在这里。 |
| 42 | Me too. | 我也一样。 |
| 43 | When my team and I were looking through your work, your words, your insights, the types | 当我和我的团队 看着你的工作, 你的话,你的洞察力,类型 |
| 44 | of things that you choose to speak about, whether you're on interviews or social media, | 你选择谈论的事情, 无论你是在采访或社交媒体, |
| 45 | I feel so aligned and connected to them. | 我感到如此的团结和联系。 |
| 46 | And I was like, one thing I love about this podcast and the reason why we do it is I want | 我很喜欢这个播客的一件事 也是我们这么做的原因 |
| 47 | to go beyond the actor, beyond the singer, beyond what someone does day to day. | 超越演员 超越歌手 超越别人每天做的事 |
| 48 | Into the human being. | 入于众生. |
| 49 | 你说的第一件事, Zachary Levi,人。 | |
| 50 | Human being, yeah. | 人类,是的。 |
| 51 | Yeah, thank you, Zach. | 是的,谢谢你,扎克。 |
| 52 | I really appreciate you being here. | 我真的很感激你在这里。 |
| 53 | Happy to be here. | 很高兴能来 |
| 54 | Yeah, so I want to start because what I love is that I feel like the world's just getting | 是的,所以我想开始 因为我喜欢的是,我觉得世界正在变得 |
| 55 | to learn about you even more and more and more and more right now. | 以了解你 越来越多,现在。 |
| 56 | And that's very exciting. | 这是非常令人兴奋的。 |
| 57 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 58 | Yeah, I mean, so I've been blessed enough to be kicking around this town or this business | 是啊,我的意思是,所以我得到了足够的祝福 来踢这个镇或这个生意 |
| 59 | rather for about 20 years. | 大约20年 |
| 60 | I mean, almost exactly. | 我的意思是,几乎完全一样。 |
| 61 | I started auditioning for film and television when I was 18, it was April of 1999, and now | 我18岁开始试镜电影和电视, 1999年4月,现在 |
| 62 | it's April of 2019. | 2019年4月通车. |
| 63 | And it's been a crazy 20 years. | 20年来都疯狂了 |
| 64 | I mean, this town can be incredibly exciting. | 我的意思是,这个小镇可以令人难以置信的兴奋。 |
| 65 | It can also be incredibly dark. | 它也可能是令人难以置信的黑暗。 |
| 66 | A very difficult place to try and find yourself, particularly when you don't know that you're | 一个很难找寻自我的地方 尤其是当你不知道自己是 |
| 67 | trying to find yourself, as I've come to find out. | 试着找回你自己 就像我来找寻的一样 |
| 68 | And so to be here now, I mean, I've always had a really blessed career in that I started | 所以现在在这里,我的意思是,我一直有一个 真正的吉祥的职业生涯,我开始 |
| 69 | working pretty much right away when I was about 18. | 我18岁的时候 正在工作 |
| 70 | I started booking gigs. | 我开始预订演出。 |
| 71 | And I've been able to build some bit of, I don't know, a social awareness or people. | 并且我能够建立一些,我不知道, 社会意识或人。 |
| 72 | I've been living in the public eye to some extent, but this is a whole nother level of | 我在某种程度上一直生活在公众的视线中, 但这是完全不是她的水平 |
| 73 | what that is. | 这是什么。 |
| 74 | And I'll say, man, I think the timing of all of it, and we can get into more details of | 我会说,伙计,我认为时机 这一切,我们可以得到更多的细节 |
| 75 | it obviously, but it's one of the things I talk about so much on my social media is mental | 很明显,这是我在社交媒体上 经常谈论的其中一件事,是精神问题 |
| 76 | health and loving oneself and self-love, self-care. | 健康 爱自己 爱自己 爱自己 |
| 77 | And those are things I didn't really quite understand until I didn't want to live anymore | 这些都是我不太明白的事情 直到我不想再活下去 |
| 78 | a few years ago and then went and did a super deep dive into therapy and had a ton of work | 几年前,然后去 做了一个超深潜 治疗,并做了大量的工作 |
| 79 | that I was doing with psychiatrists and psychotherapists, dialectic behavioral therapy, | 心理医生和精神治疗师 辩证行为疗法 |
| 80 | art therapy, meditation therapy, life coaching, like going to the gym, meditation and prayer, | 艺术疗法 冥想疗法 生活辅导 就像去健身房 冥想和祈祷 |
| 81 | and my friends and family loving me through all of that and really just saving my own life. | 我的朋友和家人都爱我 通过这一切 并且真的只是拯救我的生活。 |
| 82 | And on the heels of that, I got this job. | 紧接着,我得到了这份工作。 |
| 83 | And that is no coincidence as far as I'm concerned. | 就我而言,这不是巧合。 |
| 84 | I think that I, as a deeply spiritual person who believes in a creator, I believe that | 我认为,作为一个信仰创造者的精神深厚的人,我相信 |
| 85 | this was all waiting to happen, perhaps as things time out in the way that they do. | 这一切都在等待着发生, 也许事情的时空 在他们的方式。 |
| 86 | I think that they do in very big ways and in meaningful ways. | 我认为,它们以非常广泛和有意义的方式行事。 |
| 87 | And I think that the timing of me being able to now have this platform is directly tied | 我认为现在我能够拥有这个平台的时机是直接捆绑的 |
| 88 | to the work that I went and did on my life so that I can now talk about that work and | 工作,我做了我的生活 这样我现在可以谈论 工作, |
| 89 | talk about the importance of it. | 谈论它的重要性。 |
| 90 | And it's awesome, man. | 这是真棒,男人。 |
| 91 | I'm really grateful that not only that I have this incredible new job and that it's changing | 我真的很感激, 不仅我有这个不可思议的新工作 并且它正在改变 |
| 92 | my life on a daily basis. | 我每天都有这样的生活 |
| 93 | I mean, I still walk around and most people don't know who the heck I am. | 我的意思是,我仍然走来走去 大多数人不知道我是谁。 |
| 94 | Most of the time, I've lived in reasonable anonymity most of my career, which has been | 大部分时间,我生活在合理的匿名 大部分我的职业生涯,这是 |
| 95 | quite an amazing blessing because I don't know what it's like to be Brad Pitt. | 相当令人惊叹的祝福 因为我不知道 布拉德皮特是什么滋味 |
| 96 | I don't know what it's like to be Tom Cruise. | 我不知道汤姆·克鲁斯是什么感觉 |
| 97 | I don't know what it's like to not be able to go anywhere without people mobbing you | 我不知道没有别人骚扰你 哪里都去不了是什么感觉 |
| 98 | or whatever, or if people do. | 或什么的, 或者如果人们这样做。 |
| 99 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 100 | Maybe Tom Cruise walks around and people don't mob him either. | 也许汤姆·克鲁斯走来走去 别人也不会暴走他 |
| 101 | I have no idea. | 我不知道,我还不知道 |
| 102 | Maybe with the right set of sunglasses and a hat, you're good. | 也许用正确的墨镜和帽子,你很好。 |
| 103 | I've always believed that you be grateful for what you have when you have it. | 我一向相信 你拥有它时会感激你所拥有的一切 |
| 104 | I appreciated that anonymity. | 我很感激这个匿名。 |
| 105 | If I lose some of that moving into this next phase of my life, then so be it. | 如果我失去了一些 进入我生命的下一阶段, 那么它也是。 |
| 106 | I'm happy for the trade-off to be able to now have more of a platform to be able to | 我很高兴现在的权衡 有了更多的平台 |
| 107 | speak love into the world because I do believe that God created me to do what I'm doing, | 说爱的世界 因为我相信上帝创造了我 做我做的事, |
| 108 | to be an entertainer. | 成为一个娱乐家。 |
| 109 | I think I have a specific skill set and I've always had this skill set even since I was | 我想我有一个特定的技能集 我总是有这种技能集 即使我是 |
| 110 | a little kid. | 一个小孩。 |
| 111 | I was very good at entertaining people and could keep growing at it and figuring it out | 我非常擅长娱乐人们 并且可以不断成长 并找出答案 |
| 112 | in ways that I couldn't grow and figure out other things in my life, still trying to figure | 以我无法成长的方式 找出我生命中的其他事物 仍然在努力去想 |
| 113 | out how to be a better basketball player. | 如何成为一个更好的篮球运动员。 |
| 114 | But to be able to believe that I was created to do that is one thing, but after having | 但能相信 我是被创造出来的 这样做是一回事,但之后 |
| 115 | gone through all the therapy and the life-saving stuff that I've done and learned and the self-love | 经历了所有的治疗 和救生 东西,我已经做和学习 和自我爱 |
| 116 | that I've learned, I really believe more than that. | 我学到了,我真的相信更多。 |
| 117 | I think God created me to hopefully just be, or really has created all of us to be conduits | 我觉得上帝创造了我 希望只是, 或者真的创造了我们所有人 成为管道 |
| 118 | of love, conduits of life, conduits of light. | 爱 生命的管道 光的管道 |
| 119 | And if we can get through our own traumas and our own pain and our own injuries and | 如果我们能克服我们自己的创伤 和我们自己的痛苦和伤害 |
| 120 | healing in that, then it allows us to be even stronger, more efficacious conduits. | 这样我们就能更强大、更有效 |
| 121 | So yeah, I don't know. | 所以,是的,我不知道。 \ N |
| 122 | It's all very cool. | 这一切都很酷。 |
| 123 | I just daily feel like a deep, deep, deep, deep gratitude, to the point where I just | 我每天都觉得自己很深 深 深 深 深 |
| 124 | start crying sometimes. | 开始哭的时候。 |
| 125 | And it's incredible to go from a place where I felt such deep despair and I was crying | 从一个我感到如此绝望和哭泣的地方走出去是不可思议的 |
| 126 | from despair to now feeling like I just tear up feeling nothing but the deepest of peace | 从绝望到现在,感觉就像我撕裂 感觉除了最深的和平 |
| 127 | and joy. | 和快乐。 |
| 128 | I mean, even now, even just talking about it, I just get overwhelmed. | 我的意思是,即使现在, 即使只是谈论它, 我只是被压倒了。 |
| 129 | I'm like, I can't believe that this is my life right now. | 我不敢相信这就是我现在的生活 |
| 130 | It's so cool. | 真凉爽 |
| 131 | That's awesome, man. | 这是真棒,男人。 |
| 132 | That's beautiful. | 赞曰. |
| 133 | We're three minutes in and Zachary Levi is already talking about self-love, mental health, | 我们只有三分钟时间了 Zachary Levi已经谈到自我爱 心理健康了 |
| 134 | going deep in life, talking about humanity. | 深入生活 谈论人性 |
| 135 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 136 | And I'm so glad that we've started there. | 我很高兴我们从那里开始。 |
| 137 | Usually I'm like, okay, we're like crescendo, like we're moving through. | 通常我就像,好吧,我们就像 新的,就像我们正在通过。 |
| 138 | How do I get this out of you? | 我该怎么从你身上弄出来? |
| 139 | Like here we go with Zach and it's like we're three minutes in and you're already saying | 就像我们和Zach一起走 就像我们只有三分钟时间 而你已经说 |
| 140 | everything that I know everyone who's listening right now will absolutely fall in love with | 所有我认识的每个人 谁现在听 绝对会爱上 |
| 141 | you because that's what this is about. | 你因为这就是问题所在 |
| 142 | Like this whole community is about that. | 就像整个社区都是这样 |
| 143 | Now, I want to everything. | 现在,我想的一切。 |
| 144 | What's beautiful about what you've just done for us is you've kind of laid out all the | 你刚刚为我们做的事最美的 就是你已经把所有的 |
| 145 | things I want to dive into today. | 今天我想潜入的东西 |
| 146 | So I love that because everyone's got a feel for who you are now already. | 所以我喜欢因为每个人都有感觉 你现在是谁了。 |
| 147 | And I want you to be able to tell that story in depth because I'm guessing, and I love | 我希望你能深入讲述这个故事 因为我猜,我爱 |
| 148 | what you said there, that when you were crying out of despair and now you're crying out of | 你刚才说的话 当你绝望地哭着 现在又哭着 |
| 149 | gratitude, those two different, I'm also guessing that because of your faith and I don't want | 感谢,那两个不同的,我也猜 因为你的信仰,我不想 |
| 150 | to put words in your mouth, but because of your faith, because of your search for meaning | 将言语放进你的嘴里, 但因为你的信仰, 因为你寻找意义 |
| 151 | in your own life, that even those tears, how far were they from helplessness versus how | 在你自己的生活中, 即使这些眼泪, 他们离无助还有多远, |
| 152 | far were they hopeful? | 他们有希望吗? |
| 153 | Like where were you in that space when you were really in that middle? | 就像你身处中间的那个地方? |
| 154 | How much were they helpless, but how much were they full of hope? | 他们有多少是无助的,但他们有多少充满希望? |
| 155 | You know, I don't know. | 你知道吗,我不知道。 |
| 156 | To be honest, most of my life I've been a pretty optimistic and hopeful person, but | 老实说,我一生中大部分时间都是 一个乐观和有希望的人,但是 |
| 157 | there have been seasons of life that have just destroyed me. | 有些季节的生活 刚刚毁了我。 |
| 158 | And sometimes I wasn't even aware that they were destroying me. | 有时我甚至不知道 他们正在摧毁我。 |
| 159 | In fact, I think a lot of the times we're not really aware of the destruction that's | 事实上,我认为很多时候 我们并不真正意识到 破坏是 |
| 160 | going on. | 继续 |
| 161 | And a lot of that we play a big part in. | 其中许多我们扮演了重要的角色。 |
| 162 | I think a lot of the destruction that we feel in our life is self-motivated, is self-destructive. | 我认为我们生活中所感受到的许多破坏是自动机的,是自毁的. |
| 163 | We don't know that we're doing that. | 我们不知道我们这样做。 |
| 164 | We're trying to feel like we belong, that we have worth. | 我们试图觉得我们属于我们, 我们有价值。 |
| 165 | I think from literally the minute we come into this world, I mean, even though we're | 从我们进入这个世界的那一刻开始,我想,尽管我们是 |
| 166 | not quite aware of it when we're that young, but we're looking for cues from our parents, | 我们年轻的时候不太清楚 但我们在找父母的提示 |
| 167 | we're looking for cues from our friends, our family, our school, our society. | 我们正在寻找我们的朋友, 我们的家庭,我们的学校,我们的社会。 |
| 168 | Who am I? | 我是谁? |
| 169 | Do I have worth in this world? | 我在这世上值钱吗? |
| 170 | And unfortunately, I think most people's parents are not qualified to be able to even help | 不幸的是,我觉得大多数人的父母 都没有资格帮助 |
| 171 | them truly understand a lot of these concepts because they were never taught, which then | 他们真正理解了很多这些概念 因为他们从未被教过,而后来 |
| 172 | makes all mental health, as far as I'm concerned, a completely generational thing. | 使所有的精神健康, 就我而言, 一个完全世代的事情。 |
| 173 | These are just handed down year after year after year. | 这些只是年复一年的发放。 |
| 174 | So I think that I was given a strong enough will and spirit and ego, if you will, talking | 所以我认为我得到了一个足够强烈的意志和精神和自我 如果你愿意的话,说话 |
| 175 | about like sapiens and all that, like the ego that we build, which is our survival mechanism. | 像是沙皮恩人和所有这一切, 就像我们建立的自我, 这就是我们的生存机制。 |
| 176 | And we get banged around and it's denting us and it's forming this thing. | 然后我们被撞到, 它正在把我们打穿, 它正在形成这个东西。 |
| 177 | But I survived and I survived pretty well. | 但我活下来了,我活得很好 |
| 178 | And I found entertainment as a way of survival. | 我发现娱乐是一种生存方式。 |
| 179 | I found love through entertainment. | 我通过娱乐找到了爱 |
| 180 | If I could make somebody laugh and I could get those applause, I was like, oh, there's | 如果我能让别人笑,我可以得到那些掌声,我就像,哦,有 |
| 181 | my purpose. | 我的目标 |
| 182 | I have value now because I can make this person applaud or give them a good time or whatever. | 我现在有价值 因为我可以让这个人鼓掌 或者给他们一个好时机 |
| 183 | But when the applause dies down, it becomes a very lonely life. | 但当掌声消逝时,它会变成一个非常孤独的生活. |
| 184 | And then you try to fill that loneliness with all manner of things. | 然后你试图用各种方式来填充孤独。 |
| 185 | So I think for a long time, though I was optimistic and though my faith, which is kind of rooted | 所以我觉得很长一段时间, 虽然我很乐观, 虽然我的信仰, 这有点根基 |
| 186 | in Christianity, although I would say my Christianity feels much more Buddhist than Baptist, I think | 在基督教中,尽管我会说我的基督教 感觉比浸信会多得多,我想 |
| 187 | that I always had faith, a deep faith, and therefore a deep hope with that faith. | 我永远有信仰, 深厚的信仰, 并因此充满希望 与该信仰。 |
| 188 | But under all of that even, or let's say above all of that, I don't know which one's sitting | 但是,在所有这些甚至, 或者说,最重要的是, 我不知道谁坐 |
| 189 | on the other, but there was a tremendous amount of despair. | 却充满了绝望 |
| 190 | There's a tremendous amount of hopelessness because I still didn't quite understand what | 有很多的绝望 因为我还是不明白 |
| 191 | it meant to just love myself. | 意思是爱自己 |
| 192 | And I think that's one of the, I mean, honestly, that's why I can't stop talking about it because | 我认为这就是其中之一,我的意思是,说实话, 这就是为什么我不能停止谈论它,因为 |
| 193 | after having gone through what I've gone through, I really genuinely believe that it's probably | 经历了我所经历的一切之后, 我真的相信,这可能是 |
| 194 | the biggest root issue that we have in the world, in the world. | 这是世界上,世界上最大的问题。 |
| 195 | World leaders right now, pick a country, our country, here, other places. | 现在的世界领导人,选择一个国家,我们的国家,这里,其他地方. |
| 196 | There are people who are in positions of power and they're in positions of power because | 有些人是掌权的,他们也是因为 |
| 197 | they've been chasing worth. | 他们一直在追求价值。 |
| 198 | They don't know how bereft they are of their own self-worth. | 他们不知道自己有多自负 |
| 199 | They have been flexing power and making moves and feeling, oh, if I make enough money, if | 他们一直在挥舞力量 并做出动作和感觉, 哦,如果我赚够了,如果 |
| 200 | I have enough power and if I have enough money, look at some of the biggest CEOs or most wealthy | 我有足够的权力,如果我有足够的钱, 看看一些最大的CEO或最富有的 |
| 201 | people in the world. | 在世界上的人们。 |
| 202 | I think they're probably some of, and you hear these things all the time, like, well, | 我认为他们可能是一些, 你总是听到这些东西,喜欢,嗯, |
| 203 | you know, the most successful people in the world are some of the loneliest or whatever. | 你知道,世界上最成功的人是 一些最孤独或什么的。 |
| 204 | And you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. | 而你去,是的,是的,是的,是的,伟大的。 |
| 205 | I would take billions of dollars over whatever the alternative is. | 我会拿数十亿美元 任何选择。 |
| 206 | But I really do think that so many of them, even though they might not even realize it, | 但我真的认为,这么多他们, 即使他们可能甚至没有意识到, |
| 207 | are hopeless. | 没有希望了 |
| 208 | They don't realize that they are terrified deep down inside that even their billions | 他们没意识到他们内心深处的恐惧 甚至他们的亿万 |
| 209 | or trillions or whatever they've got, it's still not going to give them any actual real | 或数万亿或无论他们有什么, 仍然不会给他们任何真正的 |
| 210 | value going into whatever is beyond this world or even while you're here in this world. | 价值进入什么是 超越这个世界,甚至当你在这里的世界。 |
| 211 | So anyway, that was a little bit of a tangent, a little bit of a tangent, but going back | 所以,无论如何,这是一个有点 切,一点点切,但回去 |
| 212 | though, what I was experiencing, although again, like you unpack a lot of stuff in therapy, | 不过,我所经历的,虽然再次, 就像你整理了很多东西 在治疗, |
| 213 | I grew up in a home where my mom was a beautiful, crazy, intelligent, vibrant, dynamic woman | 我在一个家长大 我妈妈是个美丽 疯狂 聪明 充满活力 充满活力的女人 |
| 214 | who honestly probably could have done anything. | 老实说,谁都有可能做任何事情。 |
| 215 | She could have been CEO of a Fortune 500, she could have been a doctor, a lawyer, whatever. | 她可能是财富500强的首席执行官 她可能是医生 律师 |
| 216 | She was an incredible force that grew up in a home where her mother psychologically abused | 她是一个不可思议的力量,成长在一个家庭 她的母亲精神虐待 |
| 217 | her and her siblings. | 她和她的兄弟姐妹们。 |
| 218 | And we knew that a little bit growing up, but you just hear mom honestly just like yelling | 我们知道,一点点长大, 但你只是听到妈妈 诚实的只是叫 |
| 219 | about how her mom was such a horrible mom. | 关于她的妈妈是如何 一个可怕的妈妈。 |
| 220 | And it's a difficult thing when you're growing up now with a mom who didn't understand the | 当你长大了 和一个不懂 |
| 221 | damage that that did to her. | 伤害了她。 |
| 222 | And so she just carried on that abuse. | 所以她才继续虐待她 |
| 223 | And she was very psychologically abusive to me and my sisters, not knowing that she was. | 她对我和我的姐妹们非常的心理虐待,不知道她是谁。 |
| 224 | And that was one of the biggest things I learned in therapy was as I was forgiving myself | 这是我在治疗中学到的最大的一件事 就是我原谅自己 |
| 225 | and understanding how to forgive my mom, because I just started visualizing the five-year-old | 理解如何原谅我妈妈 因为我刚开始想象这5岁的孩子 |
| 226 | version of my mom getting hit or literally left on the side of the road when they were | 我妈妈在路上被击中或被丢在路边 |
| 227 | on some family road trip and my grandma was mad at her and was like kicked her out of | 我奶奶生她的气 好像把她赶出了家门 |
| 228 | the car and left her there for hours. | 那辆车把她扔在那里好几个小时 |
| 229 | And you start realizing how much trauma, like we all experience trauma. | 你开始意识到 有多少创伤, 像我们都经历的创伤。 |
| 230 | Trauma isn't just like some really crazy hardcore thing that like, oh, you got like blunt force | 创伤不只是一些疯狂的硬核 喜欢,哦,你有像钝力 |
| 231 | trauma to the head. | 头部受伤。 |
| 232 | I mean, we're dealing with these things on a regular basis, on a daily basis sometimes. | 我的意思是,我们经常处理这些事情,有时每天处理. |
| 233 | And my mom was madly traumatized by my grandmother and she never went and got the help that she | 我妈妈被我奶奶的 疯狂的创伤 她从来没有去得到帮助 |
| 234 | needed to get. | 需要获得。 |
| 235 | And so that just got worse and worse and worse and worse. | 所以情况越发糟糕 越糟越糟 |
| 236 | And the life that I grew up with in my family really, really messed me up more so than I | 我从小和家人在一起的生活 比我还糟 |
| 237 | ever gave it credit for because my ego was strong enough to keep me going. | 因为我的自负足以让我继续 |
| 238 | It kept me going. | 它让我继续前进。 |
| 239 | I was surviving and I was surviving. | 我活下来了 我活下来了 |
| 240 | It's incredible how evolutionarily we've been able to create this whole persona and survive | 令人难以置信的是,我们是如何进化 能够创造整个人和生存 |
| 241 | through this stuff. | 通过这些东西。 |
| 242 | But as a lot of people will tell you, and whether that's like a midlife crisis or whatever | 但很多人会告诉你, 以及这是否像一个中年危机或什么 |
| 243 | it is, you get to a place and mine was, I basically got to, I had a gnarly childhood | 是,你得到一个地方 我的,基本上,我得到了,我有一个 gnarly童年 |
| 244 | growing up. | 长大了 |
| 245 | I didn't realize just how much that affected me and my ability to love myself and therefore | 我并没意识到这对我 以及我爱自己的能力产生了多大影响 因此 |
| 246 | love others. | 爱别人。 |
| 247 | I ended up getting married and divorced in a very short amount of time to a girl that | 我最后在很短的时间内 和一个女孩结婚和离婚 |
| 248 | I thought I was deeply madly in love with. | 我以为我深深地疯狂地爱上。 |
| 249 | And I still have a tremendous amount of love for. | 我仍然有巨大的爱。 |
| 250 | But we were two, I think, broken people finding each other, which is what happens in a lot | 但我们是两个人,我想, 破碎的人寻找对方, 这是发生很多 |
| 251 | of relationships, I think. | 我想是关系 |
| 252 | Because if you haven't done the self work and you don't know that you needed to do that | 因为如果你还没有完成自己的工作, 你不知道你需要这样做 |
| 253 | then you're going to keep attracting the wrong person and they're going to be attracting | 然后你会继续吸引错误的人 他们将会吸引 |
| 254 | you as the wrong person and so on and so forth. | 你是错的人,等等。 |
| 255 | And so then I ended up getting, that was a really, really dark period of my life. | 于是我得到了一个非常非常黑暗的时期。 |
| 256 | And then I got divorced and then months later, within the same year, my mom died very unexpectedly, | 然后我离婚了 几个月后 在同一年里 我妈妈意外去世了 |
| 257 | although she and I didn't really have a relationship for about 10 years by that point. | 虽然她和我之间 已经十年没有恋爱了 |
| 258 | And it was really, and I mourned for a couple of days when she died. | 真的,我哀悼了几天 当她死了。 |
| 259 | But I then kind of, you know, I was okay, or I thought I was okay. | 但我后来有点,你知道,我没事, 或者我以为我没事。 |
| 260 | I thought I had dealt with it. | 我以为我已经处理了它。 |
| 261 | And then, you know, work this business, again, it's a really gnarly business and it can really | 然后,你知道,做这个生意, 再次,这是一个真正的gnarly业务, 它真的可以 |
| 262 | knock you around and beat you up. | 敲你周围,打你起来。 |
| 263 | And then I made this move to Texas because I've had all of these crazy, amazing dreams | 后来我搬到德克萨斯州 因为我做了这些疯狂的梦 |
| 264 | of, well, I think amazing, who knows if they pan out, but to go build, I mean, to go build | 我觉得很神奇,谁知道他们是否成功, 但去建设,我的意思是,去建设 |
| 265 | a film studio that's also a resort, that's also a commune, that's also like, like literally, | 电影制片厂也是度假胜地 也是公社 也就像 字面意思一样 |
| 266 | I want to make a better world. | 我想创造一个更美好的世界。 |
| 267 | And I think that we can do that if we all want it and we have to just want it bad enough. | 我认为,如果我们都想要的话,我们就能做到这一点, 并且我们只要它足够糟糕。 |
| 268 | And I think that if you have a platform to maybe go and try and do that, and you've got | 我认为如果你有一个平台 可能去尝试做到这一点, 你已经有了 |
| 269 | some means and some finances to go and maybe build a new type of community that can be | 一些手段和一些资金去,也许 建立一个新型的社区,可以是 |
| 270 | an example of how we can get back to knowing each other and loving each other and trusting | 我们如何重新认识彼此 互相爱和信任 |
| 271 | each other and communing again with one another and knowing your neighbor and, you know, kids | 彼此互相交流 互相认识你的邻居和孩子 |
| 272 | running around and parents not feeling like that, the helicopter parent them all the time | 跑来跑去 父母没有这种感觉 直升机就一直照顾他们 |
| 273 | and all of that stuff. | 还有那些东西 |
| 274 | So anyway, that all brought me to Texas. | 总之,这些都让我来到德州 |
| 275 | But then I got there and then I felt after many years of feeling very optimistic and | 但后来我到了那里,然后我觉得 经过多年的 感到非常乐观, |
| 276 | feeling a deep faith, I felt quite abandoned by God, to be honest. | 老实说,我觉得自己被上帝抛弃了 |
| 277 | I felt like all of the things that led me there then left me alone and left me sitting | 我感觉就像所有的东西 引导我在那里 然后离开我一个人,让我坐着 |
| 278 | alone and very deeply hopeless. | 独自一人,非常绝望 |
| 279 | And that was right around my 37th birthday. | 就在我37岁生日的时候 |
| 280 | And I didn't really understand what the point of life was anymore. | 我不再真正理解生命的意义。 |
| 281 | I felt like I had fought really hard to go and be a good person, to go and love people, | 我觉得我拼了命去 做一个好人 去爱别人 |
| 282 | to be an example, to try and use my platform and privilege for good. | 试着永远利用我的平台和特权 |
| 283 | And I felt like all of that amounted to me now being completely alone and completely | 我觉得所有这一切 都意味着我现在 完全孤独和完全 |
| 284 | hopeless. | 无望。 |
| 285 | And thank God, you know, I had friends and family that were there and kind of holding | 谢天谢地,你知道,我有 朋友和家人在那里 和那种持有 |
| 286 | my hand and propping me up through some really, really dark moments and times. | 我的手 并让我通过一些真正, 真正的黑暗的时刻和时间。 |
| 287 | And then I found this place that I think was essentially initially created to be a place | 后来我找到了一个地方,我认为它 基本上是最初创建的地方, |
| 288 | where CEOs of very large companies could that were dealing with major burnout, major depression, | 在那里,非常大公司的首席执行官 可以处理 重大燃烧,重大抑郁, |
| 289 | major anxieties, could go and just, you know, get some major deep healing. | 主要焦虑,可以去 只是,你知道,得到一些重大 深度治疗。 |
| 290 | And I went and it was three weeks of just like the most intense. | 我走了,这是三个星期 就像最激烈。 |
| 291 | I got there and, you know, I fell through the door of that place. | 我到了那里,你知道, 我从那个地方的门摔下来。 |
| 292 | It was like I got to 37 and I just fell through the door therapy and I said, I don't know | 就像我37岁时刚从门治疗摔下来 我说,我不知道 |
| 293 | who I am or I don't think I know who I am because I don't know how it got me here. | 我不知道我是谁 或我不认为我知道我是谁 因为我不知道它是怎么把我带到这里的 |
| 294 | So I need to know who I am and I need to know how I got here and I need to make sure that | 所以我需要知道我是谁 我需要知道我是如何来到这里的 我需要确保 |
| 295 | that never happens again because I don't want to die. | 因为我不想死 |
| 296 | But I don't really feel, I don't understand why I should keep living. | 但我不觉得,我不明白我为什么要活下去 |
| 297 | And through all of those things that I was saying earlier, all those various forms of | 通过我刚才说的所有那些事情 各种各样的形式 |
| 298 | therapy and psychiatry and even, and again, like, you know, doing yoga twice a week and | 治疗和精神病 乃至,再次, 像,你知道,做瑜伽 每周两次, |
| 299 | Pilates twice a week and at the gym four days, you know, because that's all incredibly crucial | 每周两次,在体育馆四天 因为那都非常关键 |
| 300 | to our mental and emotional well-being. | 我们的精神和情感安康。 |
| 301 | Those things all essentially end the prayer of this, particularly this one woman who kind | 这些事情基本上都结束了祷告 特别是这个善良的女人 |
| 302 | of, and I don't think it's any coincidence that God has brought these people into my | 我觉得上帝把这些人带进我的 |
| 303 | life throughout my journey, but there have been women, older, maternal women that have | 我整个旅程中 都有女人 年长的产妇 |
| 304 | come along through my journey that have been those surrogate mothers for me when my mother | 在我的旅程中,我一直 那些代孕母亲 当我的母亲 |
| 305 | wasn't my mother and couldn't be my mother. | 不是我母亲 也不是我母亲 |
| 306 | And this woman prayed me back to life and between that and all of the tools that I was | 这个女人祈祷我回到生命 以及我所有的工具之间 |
| 307 | learning about, you know, learning about how bad my self-talk was, you know, that's something | 学习,你知道, 学习我的自我谈话有多糟糕, 你知道,这就是什么 |
| 308 | that I don't think a lot of people even quite understand how important it is of how you | 我觉得很多人都不太明白 你如何对待我有多重要 |
| 309 | speak to yourself. | 你自己说 |
| 310 | Let's dive into that. | 让我们潜入其中。 |
| 311 | Let's do it. | 贡举志五种 上. |
| 312 | Yeah, let's dive into that. | 是啊,让我们潜下去。 |
| 313 | No, and when I'm listening to you... | 不,当我听你的... |
| 314 | Sorry, by the way, I am incredibly verbose and tangential FYI, so I'll just keep going | 对不起,顺便说一句,我令人难以置信的动词和 微小的提示,所以我会继续 |
| 315 | unless you... | 除非你们... |
| 316 | It's great. | 赞曰. |
| 317 | No, no, no. | 不,不,没有。 |
| 318 | And I won't because I love listening because I think that's important too. | 我不会因为我喜欢听 因为我觉得这也很重要 |
| 319 | I think as much as it is important for me to guide, I also like to listen and see where | 我认为,尽管重要的是,我指导, 我也喜欢听和看看哪里 |
| 320 | you're taking it because, and this is advice to anyone who's listening to a friend or a | 你接受是因为 这是给听朋友或朋友的忠告 |
| 321 | family member, you learn more when you listen. | 家人,你听的话会学到更多 |
| 322 | And I'm learning so much more about you than I could have ever gained if I was talking, | 我从你身上学到的 比我说话时学到的要多得多 |
| 323 | which is awesome. | 这是真棒。 |
| 324 | When I'm listening to you though, what I find is that today I'm sitting in front of someone | 当我听到你,我发现今天我坐在别人面前 |
| 325 | who I find is extremely passionate, feels that they're living their calling, feels that | 我发现他非常热情, 觉得他们活在他们的使命中, |
| 326 | they're doing what they were born to do, which is very different from the self that you're | 他们正在做他们天生要做的事 这与你的自我大不相同 |
| 327 | displaying or sharing that you were before. | 显示或分享你以前的样子。 |
| 328 | And so what I want to dive into, we'll dive into the self-talk too, but what I want to | 所以,我想潜入,我们也会潜入 自我交谈,但我想要什么 |
| 329 | take you back to that six-year-old boy who was getting excited by dance, singing, acting, | 带你回到那个六岁的男孩身上, 他的舞蹈,唱歌,表演, |
| 330 | but at the same time had this home experience that you were describing with your mother | 但与此同时,你还和你妈妈 一起经历家庭生活 |
| 331 | at the time. | 在当时。 |
| 332 | Is that when singing, dancing and acting became that outlet, became that expression, became | 当歌唱、舞蹈和表演 成为外表,成为表达,成为 |
| 333 | that connect which you weren't getting at home? | 连结你没有回家? |
| 334 | Is that when it was or was it actually just something that came naturally? | 是那时还是实际上只是自然而然的? |
| 335 | I mean, I think I can't imagine that there's not some correlation to what my childhood | 我的意思是,我觉得我无法想象 没有什么关联 我的童年 |
| 336 | was and then ultimately where I found outlet. | 最终我找到了出口 |
| 337 | I was the middle boy between two sisters. | 我是两个姐妹之间的中间男孩. |
| 338 | My dad wasn't in the picture. | 我爸爸不在画里 |
| 339 | I was literally just like floating in a sea of estrogen. | 我就像漂在雌激素海里一样 |
| 340 | Like it was my sisters, my mom, my two aunts, my cousin Nikki, who's like our third sister, | 就像是我的姐妹,我妈妈,我的两个姨妈, 我的表妹妮基,谁像我们的三妹, |
| 341 | and my grandma, family outings were going to JCPenney's and shopping. | 还有我奶奶 家人外出去JCPenney家购物 |
| 342 | I mean, that's what it felt like. | 我的意思是,这就是它的感觉。 |
| 343 | So as a middle kid, you're looking to have a voice and have an identity of your own. | 所以作为一个中间的孩子,你正在寻找一个声音,并拥有自己的身份. |
| 344 | That's one thing. | 这是一件事。 |
| 345 | Being the only boy, I was constantly having to kind of create my own worlds of imagination | 作为唯一的孩子,我总是不得不创造出我想象的世界 |
| 346 | and entertainment and not really having parents. | 和娱乐, 没有真正的父母。 |
| 347 | My dad was gone, my mom, God bless her and God rest her soul, she had a lot of issues | 我爸爸走了 我妈妈 上帝保佑她 上帝保佑她的灵魂 她有很多问题 |
| 348 | and she wasn't the best. | 而且她不是最棒的一个 |
| 349 | She was really incredible as a mom in some respects and I'm really grateful for those | 在某些方面,她作为母亲是不可思议的 我真的很感激那些 |
| 350 | things that she did. | 她做过的事 |
| 351 | For example, she was way ahead of the curve when it came to a naturopathic lifestyle. | 比如说,当她进入了 一种致命的生活方式时, 她比曲线提前得多。 |
| 352 | We were taking vitamins and barley green and not having sugared cereal or soda when | 我们吃维他命和大麦绿色 并且没有糖粒或苏打水 |
| 353 | we were kids. | 我们还是个孩子。 |
| 354 | All the other kids are like, you don't have cocoa puffs? | 其他孩子都喜欢, 你没有可可泡泡? |
| 355 | I was like, I know, it's the worst. | 我当时想,我知道,这是最糟糕的。 |
| 356 | But I'm so grateful that my mom knew and cared about all that stuff well before the curve | 但我非常感激,我妈妈知道 和关心所有的东西 早在曲线之前 |
| 357 | because I don't now have problems dealing with my sugar levels and obesity in ways that | 因为我现在没有 处理我的糖水平和肥胖的方式 |
| 358 | a lot of other people have been addicted to this stuff for so long because sugar is a | 很多人都沉迷于这些东西太久了 因为糖是一种 |
| 359 | crazy addiction. | 疯狂的毒瘾。 |
| 360 | Anyway, again, tangential. | 无论如何,再次,微小。 |
| 361 | So yeah, man, I think I was always just trying to, and I always had like a super vibrant | 所以,伙计,我想我总是 只是想,我总是像一个超级活跃 |
| 362 | imagination and I was a super, super energetic spazzy kid. | 想象力,我是一个超级, 超能的Spazy孩子。 |
| 363 | So all of those things just, oh, sorry, and then because we didn't really have a tremendous | 所以所有这些事情 只是,哦,对不起, 然后因为我们没有 一个真正的巨大的 |
| 364 | amount of, let's say, parental supervision or whatever, the television became, and then | 多少,比如说, 父母监督什么的, 电视变成了,然后 |
| 365 | my video games through the television became worlds that I explored and lived in and loved. | 我的电视游戏变成了我探索、生活和热爱的世界。 |
| 366 | So I was already being influenced by all of my favorite cartoons and TV shows and those | 所以我已经受到了我最喜欢的卡通片和电视节目的影响 |
| 367 | became, I don't know, they were my friends necessarily, but I loved them and I wanted | 成为,我不知道, 他们一定是我的朋友, 但我爱他们,我想 |
| 368 | to emulate them and I wanted to be a part of them. | 以模仿他们 我想成为他们的一部分。 |
| 369 | So all of those things, I think, kind of put me into the place for that. | 所以所有这些东西,我认为, 某种程度上让我 进入的地方。 |
| 370 | Having a household where I, though I didn't know it at the time, where I didn't understand | 有个家庭,我,虽然我当时并不知道,我不明白 |
| 371 | self-love, where I didn't know that I wasn't feeling fully loved or fully worthy of the | 自我爱,在那里我不知道 我感到不 完全爱 或完全值得 |
| 372 | life that I was living as a kid, these are all very subconscious things. | 我小时候的生活 都是潜意识的东西 |
| 373 | But certainly I'm sure that led to part of me going and wanting to find that in strangers, | 但我肯定这导致了我的一部分去 并想找到在陌生人, |
| 374 | find that in the approval, literally, the approval of people going and sitting in seats | 发现在批准,字面上, 批准人们去和坐在座位上 |
| 375 | in a theater and applauding me at the end of a play or laughing at the jokes throughout | 在剧场里,在剧情的尽头为我鼓掌 或者笑笑笑话 |
| 376 | it. | 这个 |
| 377 | That all of a sudden, like I was saying before, gave me not just an outlet for all of this | 突然间,就像我之前说的, 给了我不仅仅是一个出口 所有这一切 |
| 378 | other stuff, but it gave me the validation that I so desperately was seeking and needing, | 但也让我得到了我渴望和需要的证明 |
| 379 | which is, by the way, what almost every actor that comes to Hollywood is dealing with on | 顺便说一句,几乎所有来到好莱坞的演员 都在面对 |
| 380 | some level, because why the heck are you trying to go and make all these straight? | 某种程度,因为你为什么 试图去使这一切直? |
| 381 | Totally. | 当然 |
| 382 | And how do we balance that? | 我们如何平衡? |
| 383 | I love the fact that we're talking about this, because how do we balance that? | 我喜欢我们谈论这个事实 因为我们如何平衡? |
| 384 | So we all love, from a genuine place, also making other people happy. | 所以,我们都爱, 从一个真正的地方, 也让其他人快乐。 |
| 385 | We all need appreciation in our life. | 我们的生活都需要赞赏 |
| 386 | We all need to feel some level of significance and some level that we matter, that our work | 我们都需要感觉到某种程度的意义和某种程度 我们很重要,我们的工作 |
| 387 | and our words has an impact on others. | 我们的话会影响别人 |
| 388 | Where have you found that balance between not letting other people's opinions and approval | 你从哪里找到这种平衡的 不让别人的意见和批准 |
| 389 | lead or mislead you versus when is it right and okay to feel that? | 引导或误导你 与何时是正确和可以的感受? |
| 390 | Do you get what I'm saying? | 你明白我的意思吗? |
| 391 | Oh, I totally do. | 哦,我当然知道。 |
| 392 | I mean, I'll just know when I find that balance. | 我的意思是,我会知道 当我找到平衡。 |
| 393 | I want to hear your thought process. | 我想听听你的思想过程 |
| 394 | Where are you finding that balance between knowing that we all... | 你在哪里找到平衡 在知道我们都... |
| 395 | It's the same with me. | 与我无异. |
| 396 | When I make a video, of course I want people to connect with it. | 当我录制视频时,我当然希望人们能与之连接. |
| 397 | Of course I want people to resonate with it, because that's also my service. | 我当然希望人们能对此产生共鸣,因为这也是我的服务. |
| 398 | It's my offering. | 这是我的礼物。 |
| 399 | It's where I get to be an instrument, and it's where I get to feel useful. | 这是我成为乐器的地方,也是我感到有用的地方. |
| 400 | But at the same time, if you only let the likes and the views and the shares and the | 但与此同时,如果你只让 喜欢和观点,分享和 |
| 401 | reviews of movies guide how you feel about yourself. | 电影评论指导你对自己的感觉。 |
| 402 | That's where I found it. | 这是我找到的 |
| 403 | That's my balance. | 这是我的平衡。 |
| 404 | It's like, I should know how I feel about it. | 这就像,我应该知道我的感受。 |
| 405 | So I say happiness or self-love to me, and I'd love to hear your definition. | 所以我说幸福或自我爱 我很想听听你的定义 |
| 406 | My definition of self-love is how I feel about myself when I'm by myself. | 我对自我爱的定义就是我对我自己的感受 |
| 407 | That's my definition of self-love. | 这是我的自我爱的定义。 |
| 408 | Yes. | 对 |
| 409 | What's your definition of self-love and how does it start? | 你对自我爱的定义是什么? 如何开始? |
| 410 | Well, I think similar. | 嗯,我觉得相似。 |
| 411 | I think probably very similar. | 我认为可能非常相似。 |
| 412 | I didn't realize how much I didn't like hanging out with myself until I went to this really | 我不知道我有多不喜欢和自己在一起 直到我去了这个 |
| 413 | incredible life-saving therapy. | 难以置信的救生疗法。 |
| 414 | I thought I did. | 我以为我做到了。 |
| 415 | I mean, people would talk about self-love all the time. | 我的意思是,人们会谈论 自爱所有的时间。 |
| 416 | I was like, I love me. | 我爱我 |
| 417 | I feel with me. | 觉与我同在. |
| 418 | I feel good. | 我感觉很好。 |
| 419 | But I didn't realize that when I would be quiet, when I would just be with me, I was | 但我没有意识到 当我会安静, 当我只是和我一起,我是 |
| 420 | always looking for the ... I would go play video games. | 总是在寻找... 我会去玩电子游戏。 |
| 421 | But that's not really spending time with yourself. | 但这不是真正的花时间 与你自己。 |
| 422 | You're now a simulated version of you in some cool world on another planet shooting aliens | 你现在是一个模拟版的你 在一个酷酷的世界 在另一个星球上射击外星人 |
| 423 | or whatever, but that's not really spending time with yourself. | 或什么的, 但这不是真正的花时间与你自己。 |
| 424 | I've always been a very, very deep thinker and feeler, so I've spent a lot of time in | 我一直是一个非常,非常深思熟虑的人, 所以我花了很多时间在 |
| 425 | thought. | 认为。 |
| 426 | It just wouldn't necessarily be about me and it wouldn't be kind to me. | 它只是不一定是 关于我, 它不会对我好。 |
| 427 | My self-talk, again, that I thought was just normal, when I would screw up, when I wouldn't | 再说一次,我自言自语 以为只是正常的, 当我会搞砸了, 当我不会 |
| 428 | do things the way that I thought they should be done, and this was all based on the way | 做一些我认为应该做的事, 这一切都是基于方式 |
| 429 | I was programmed, bad programming by my parents, I would destroy myself in my mind. | 我被我的父母编程, 糟糕的编程, 我会毁灭我自己在我的脑海。 |
| 430 | I talked to these folks in therapy and they were like, why do you talk to yourself that | 我和这些在治疗中的人谈过了 他们想,你为什么对自己说 |
| 431 | way? | 怎么样? |
| 432 | I go, well, because of this, that, and the other. | 我走了,因为这个,那个,还有另一个。 |
| 433 | They go, well, if your friend did something that you thought wasn't great, would you talk | 他们走了,嗯,如果你的朋友 做一些你认为不是伟大的事情, 你会说话 |
| 434 | to them that way? | 那样对他们? |
| 435 | I was like, I would never. | 我很喜欢,我永远不会。 |
| 436 | I would never talk to them that way. | 我不会那样跟他们说话的 |
| 437 | Why would you talk to yourself that way? | 为什么你要这样跟自己说话? |
| 438 | I don't know why I'd never put that together, but it leveled me. | 我不知道为什么我从来没有 把它拼凑在一起,但它使我平平了。 |
| 439 | I was like, I guess because I genuinely don't like myself. | 我想是因为我真的不喜欢自己 |
| 440 | I genuinely don't love myself. | 我真的不爱自己。 |
| 441 | What self-love is, I mean, it's a very difficult thing to kind of define, I suppose, because | 自我爱是什么,我的意思是, 这是一个非常困难的事情 那种定义,我想,因为 |
| 442 | there's so much around it, but I would say that to love yourself is to, hopefully, finally, | 周围有很多, 但我会说,爱自己 是,希望,最后, |
| 443 | and by the way, and it's a daily thing because we can go back and forth on it, right? | 顺便说一句,这是天天的事 因为我们可以去 一遍又一遍,对不对? |
| 444 | It's not like, oh, that's solved and we're done and we can move on. | 这并不是说,哦,解决了 我们结束了,我们可以继续前进。 |
| 445 | It's a process. | 这是一个过程。 |
| 446 | It's a journey and you always have to check in with yourself. | 这是一个旅程,你总是要 检查自己。 |
| 447 | And I think that, you know, for me, it's been a matter of, you know, one of the things, | 我觉得,对我来说,这一直是一个问题, 你知道,一件事, |
| 448 | I spend time in prayer in the morning and I spend time in prayer at night and that's | 我早上祈祷 晚上祈祷 |
| 449 | kind of my meditative time as well. | 我也有点沉思时间 |
| 450 | And a regular part of those prayers is thanking God for my heart, my mind, and my body because | 祷告中经常有一部分是感谢上帝 感谢我的心,我的思想,我的身体,因为 |
| 451 | these are all things that I have ridiculed in various ways over the years and not embraced | 这些都是我多年来 以不同方式嘲弄 而没有接受的东西 |
| 452 | and not been grateful for. | 却不感激 |
| 453 | A gratitude is one of, to me, the most powerful balms for your soul, for your heart, for your | 感谢是其中之一, 对我,最强大的药膏 对于你的灵魂, 你的心脏,你的 |
| 454 | mind to start with that and to say, wherever I'm at right now, thank you for who I am | 介意从这个开始说 不管我现在在哪 感谢你的我 |
| 455 | and where I'm at and to appreciate that and be okay with where you are right now. | 以及我所在的地方, 并欣赏这一点, 并接受你的现在。 |
| 456 | If you can be okay with where you are right now, you can really start to love yourself. | 如果你能接受你现在的状况, 你就可以真正开始爱自己。 |
| 457 | If you're not okay with where you are right now, it's very difficult to then love yourself | 如果你现在不满意的话 那就很难去爱自己了 |
| 458 | because they're contradicting one another, you know? | 因为他们互相矛盾,你知道吗? |
| 459 | And how to balance that, I mean, one of the things, I've never, I don't have like notifications | 如何平衡,我的意思是,一件事, 我从来没有,我没有像通知 |
| 460 | on my social media, I started social media at a time where I was already living in the | 在社交媒体上 我开始社交媒体 那时我已经生活在 |
| 461 | public eye, so you kind of get inundated with that many followers. | 公众的眼睛,所以你有点 被淹没与这么多的追随者。 |
| 462 | So fortunately, I've never lived, my world has never been one where I was constantly | 幸运的是,我从来没有生活过, 我的世界从来没有一个我一直生活的地方 |
| 463 | looking for the likes, even when I was unhealthy and didn't know it, I always knew in the back | 寻找喜欢的人, 即使我身体不健康,不知道, 我总是知道后面 |
| 464 | of my mind that that's not a healthy way to be living your life. | 我的想法,这不是一个健康的方式 生活你的生活。 |
| 465 | If you're posting things and you're constantly checking to see who checked in and who liked | 如果你张贴的东西, 你不断地检查 看看谁登记和谁喜欢 |
| 466 | it and whatever, and by the way, not that I'm completely faultless and all that, certainly | 顺便说一句,我不是完全无过失的,当然 |
| 467 | there's times I'll post something and I'll go back and see, I wonder who's chimed in | 有的时候我会张贴一些东西 我会回去看看,我想知道谁在 |
| 468 | or whatever, you know? | 你知道吗? |
| 469 | But I have never found my worth there. | 但我从来没有找到 我的价值在那里。 |
| 470 | But I have definitely tried, you know, I've looked for and found my worth in my work and, | 但我确实尝试过,你知道, 我找寻和找到我的价值在我的工作,并且, |
| 471 | you know, am I doing good work? | 我做得很好吗? |
| 472 | I mean, I thought I was failing my life for a long time because all of the jobs that I | 我的意思是,我认为我失败 我的生活很长一段时间 因为我的所有工作,我 |
| 473 | had done never really put me into the next echelon or, you know, that higher level where | 从来没有真正把我 进入下一个层次,或者,你知道, 更高层次在哪里 |
| 474 | I was with all the cool kids, doing all the cool kid movies, and a part of those conversations, | 我和所有酷孩子, 做所有酷孩子的电影, 和这些对话的一部分, |
| 475 | I was always, I just always felt like I was on the outside looking in, and that wrecked | 我总是,我总是感觉 就像我在外边 看着,那破碎 |
| 476 | me on a regular basis. | 我经常来 |
| 477 | I always felt like I wasn't doing something right or I wasn't good enough or... | 我总是觉得自己做错了什么 或者我不够好或者... |
| 478 | And I think that's the question, like when I'm listening to you, that's the question | 我觉得这就是问题所在 就像我听你说话时 |
| 479 | to me, it's when you're doing something, do you feel fulfilled by doing it in and of itself | 对我来说,这是当你做一些事情, 你感觉满足 通过做它本身 |
| 480 | or are you only gaining fulfillment when someone applauses, right? | 或者你只是在有人掌声时才得到满足,对吧? |
| 481 | Like that's that differentiation, that self-awareness, and for me, self-awareness is like the heart | 自我意识 自我意识 就像心脏 |
| 482 | of self-love because just getting to that point... | 自我爱是因为... |
| 483 | To know yourself. | 以识己身. |
| 484 | To love yourself. | 爱自己。 |
| 485 | Yeah, to know yourself first and then to love yourself because you can't love someone you | 是啊,先了解你自己,然后爱自己 因为你不能爱一个人 |
| 486 | don't know, right? | 不知道,对不对? |
| 487 | Well, I know what you're saying and I agree, I don't know that you can't fully appreciate | 好吧,我知道你在说什么 我同意, 我不知道你不能完全欣赏 |
| 488 | or love... | 或爱... |
| 489 | To fully love yourself means to love even all of the failure, even all of it, exactly. | 完全爱自己意味着爱 即使所有的失败, 即使所有的失败, 正是。 |
| 490 | But I do think on a general, broad philosophical sense, we 100% can and need to love those | 但我确实在思考一个广义的哲学意义 我们百分之百可以 需要爱那些 |
| 491 | that we don't know. | 我们不知道 |
| 492 | Oh, that 100%, oh 100%. | 哦,那个100%,哦100%。 |
| 493 | That's all. | 就这样 |
| 494 | No, no, 100% from a humanity standpoint, but I'll give you an example of what I mean, like | 不,不,从人性的角度来看,100%, 但我会给你一个例子,我的意思是,喜欢 |
| 495 | today you walk through the door and I love you for being a human and I love you for what | 今天你走进门,我爱你 作为一个人类,我爱你什么 |
| 496 | I've learned about you in preparing for this, 100%, but I can't love you fully because I | 我了解你为这个做准备 100% 但我不能完全爱你 因为我 |
| 497 | haven't got to know you, whereas the more I get to know you in this interview, the more | 虽然这次采访我越了解你 |
| 498 | I fall in love with you. | 我爱上你了 |
| 499 | Thanks. | 谢谢 |
| 500 | Does that make sense? | 这有道理吗? |
| 501 | Yeah, yeah, totally. | 是的,是的,绝对。 |
| 502 | And that's what I mean, that even with ourselves... | 这就是我的意思, 即使我们自己... |
| 503 | Knowledge makes the love deeper, for sure. | 知识让爱更深,当然。 |
| 504 | Correct, that's what I mean. | 没错,这就是我的意思。 |
| 505 | Yeah, that's what I'm coming for. | 是啊,这就是我要来。 |
| 506 | When you're subconsciously... | 当你潜意识中... |
| 507 | Oh, that's empathy. | 哦,这是同情心。 |
| 508 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 509 | That's empathy, you know, but again, but, and how interesting though is that, then take | 这是同情心,你知道,但再次, 但是,多么有趣 虽然是,然后采取 |
| 510 | it another step, which is certainly the more you might get to know somebody, the deeper | 这是另一个步骤, 这当然是 你可能得到更多的 了解某人, |
| 511 | you can love them, but that's only predicated on how deep you know and love yourself first. | 你可以爱他们, 但这只是基于你有多深 了解和爱自己第一。 |
| 512 | Correct, 100%. | 没错,100%。 |
| 513 | Which is so, like I really thought I was somebody who loved people really deeply and I did, | 所以,就像我真的认为我是一个 真正深爱的人,我做到了, |
| 514 | by the way. | 顺便说一句 |
| 515 | I've always been a God, I'm so grateful that he gave me a heart that for a long time, by | 我一直是一个上帝,我非常感激 他给了我一个心脏 长久以来,通过 |
| 516 | the way, really screwed with a lot of parts of my life. | 的方式,真的搞砸了 我生活的许多部分。 |
| 517 | It made me a very sensitive kid that, you know, I would get really wrecked about certain | 这让我变得非常敏感,你知道, 我会真的被打乱了... ... |
| 518 | things that would happen in the world that had nothing to do with me and I would just, | 世界上发生的那些和我无关的事 我就会... |
| 519 | I would literally feel the pain of people in other parts of the world or, I mean, to | 我会感受到世界其他地方的人的痛苦 或者,我的意思是, |
| 520 | be perfectly honest, like India, for example, I can't wait to go to India and I'm also dreading | 老实说,比如说,像印度一样, 我迫不及待想去印度,我也害怕 |
| 521 | going to India because there's a part of me that feels like I'm going to go walk around | 去印度,因为我有一部分人 觉得我要四处走走 |
| 522 | in those streets and I will be devastated because I will see these kids and these lower | 在那些街道上,我会伤心欲绝 因为我会看到这些孩子和这些下层 |
| 523 | castes and I will be like, where is the justice? | 种姓和我会像, 哪里是正义? |
| 524 | Where is the love for these people? | 对这些人的爱在哪里? |
| 525 | Where is the love for the unlovable? | 爱不爱者何在. |
| 526 | That stuff just wrecks me, but I have always had that deep, a deep love for people. | 那种东西让我心烦意乱 但我一直深爱着人 |
| 527 | I didn't realize how much deeper I could love people. | 我不知道我有多深爱人 |
| 528 | And by the way, you're not even deeper, but also in healthier, more focused ways. | 顺便说一句,你甚至没有更深入, 而是在更健康,更集中的方式。 |
| 529 | If you're just a raw, if you're just raw love and you're just feeling that can be powerful, | 如果你只是生人, 如果你只是生人爱, 你只是感觉那可以是强大的, |
| 530 | but you're not perhaps accomplishing as much as you could with that love. | 但你可能没有尽你所能完成那份爱 |
| 531 | And if you can go and then work on yourself and tighten all this and get this strong and | 如果你可以去,然后工作 自己,收紧这一切,得到这个强力, |
| 532 | then not just be overwhelmed and screwed up every time something happens, then you can | 那样你就不会被打得一团糟了 |
| 533 | have more of an even, steady, focused, strong, effective love, I think, in the world. | 我认为,在世界上,有一种更均匀、稳定、专注、有力、有效的爱。 |
| 534 | And that's where I think I'm now, hopefully, going into that phase of my life, coupled | 这就是我现在想,希望, 进入我的生活的阶段, |
| 535 | with wherever my platform might lead me, but you had said something earlier and I'm trying | 不论我的平台能带我去哪 但你刚才说了些什么 我在努力 |
| 536 | to remember what... | 记住什么... |
| 537 | Take your time. | 慢慢来 |
| 538 | No, no, no, no, no. | No二别显. |
| 539 | We're talking about knowing yourself, loving yourself. | 我们说的是了解自己 爱自己 |
| 540 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 541 | I mean, I don't know. | 我是说,我不知道。 |
| 542 | I'll think of it if we come back to it. | 复作是念时会想. |
| 543 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 544 | And that's what I think everyone who's listening right now, I think is going to take a lot | 我想所有现在在听的人 都要花很多时间 |
| 545 | of confidence from the fact that the way you're opening up, the way you're sharing your journey | 充满信心,因为你打开的方式, 你分享你的旅程 |
| 546 | and challenges and everything, I'm hoping that everyone who's listening or watching | 我希望所有在听或观看的人 |
| 547 | right now is listening going, oh my God, I'm there too, or I've been there too. | 现在正在听,哦,我的上帝, 我也在那里,或者我也去过那里。 |
| 548 | And this is a common experience across the board, like getting to a point in life and | 这是一个共同的经验 纵观一切, 像得到一个点的生命, |
| 549 | going, I don't know who I am. | 去,我不知道我是谁。 |
| 550 | I don't know what I'm doing. | 不知所为. |
| 551 | Oh yeah. | 对 |
| 552 | I don't know if I love myself. | 我不知道我是否爱自己。 |
| 553 | These are all such normal things that we're all going through. | 这些都是正常的事情 我们都在经历。 |
| 554 | And you reminded me when you were mentioning this point about being in your solitude in | 而你提醒我 当你提到这一点 在你的孤独 |
| 555 | this study that I love that I share that talks about how when men and women were given the | 我所爱的这份研究,我分享了这份研究, 讲述了男女何时获得 |
| 556 | choice of either being alone with their thoughts for 15 minutes or give themselves an electric | 要么单独思考15分钟 要么给自己电 |
| 557 | shock and 60% of men chose an electric shock and 30% of women chose an electric shock. | 休克和60%的男性选择电击,30%的女性选择电击. |
| 558 | And when they were asked afterwards, it was because they didn't want to be alone with | 当他们被问到后, 那是因为他们不想单独在一起 |
| 559 | their thoughts. | 他们的思想。 |
| 560 | So we're all in that. | 所以我们都参与其中。 |
| 561 | So now I want to dive into, so everyone who's listening right now, we've all been there. | 所以,现在我想潜入, 所以所有正在听的人, 我们都在那里。 |
| 562 | We all find distractions, whether it's video games, whether it's movies, whether it's Netflix, | 我们都发现分心,无论是电子游戏,还是电影, 无论是Netflix, |
| 563 | whatever it is, we're all trying to find distractions. | 不管是什么 我们都在寻找分散注意力 |
| 564 | Relationships. | 关系 |
| 565 | Oh my God. | 天呐 |
| 566 | Relationships is one of the biggest. | 关系是最大的之一。 |
| 567 | Definitely. | 当然 |
| 568 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 569 | I just made a video a couple of weeks ago where I was talking about if you find someone in | 几周前我刚拍了个视频 里面我正在谈论 如果你发现有人在里面 |
| 570 | your loneliness, you often attract emptiness because you've got that in you and therefore | 你的孤独,你经常吸引空虚 因为你已经得到了这一点,因此 |
| 571 | that attracts back. | 这吸引回。 |
| 572 | So I want to dive into you because meditation, prayer and therapy are three tools that you | 所以我想潜入你体内 因为冥想、祷告和治疗 是你们三个工具 |
| 573 | really live by and stand by. | 活着站着 |
| 574 | I want to hear about each of those from you, including the self-talk element of how those | 我想听听你们每个人的感受 包括自我对话的内容 |
| 575 | key foundational principles, and you mentioned yoga and Pilates earlier too, I just want | 你刚才也提到了瑜伽和彼拉多 我只是想 |
| 576 | {\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}听到那些帮助你改变和转变的构件 | |
| 577 | and grow. | 并成长。 |
| 578 | Yeah, I mean, so therapy to me was probably the most important initial part of it all | 是啊,我的意思是,所以治疗 对我来说可能是最重要的 初始部分这一切 |
| 579 | because you can do a lot of meditation and prayer, but if you're, like in Japan, you | 因为你可以做很多冥想和祈祷, 但是如果你,像在日本,你 |
| 580 | know how in Japan, there's this tradition if a bowl breaks, they put it back together | 在日本,如果一个碗坏了, 他们就会把它拼起来 |
| 581 | with gold, right? | 用黄金,对不对? |
| 582 | And you can see the veins of gold and really makes it a beautiful piece. | 你可以看到金子的血管, 并且真的使它成为一件美丽的作品。 |
| 583 | You don't just throw the bowl away, you put it all back together. | 你不只是把碗扔了,你把它全部放回去。 |
| 584 | So I feel like the therapy was the gold that was putting it all, galvanizing me back together, | 所以,我觉得治疗是黄金 把它全部,激励我回来, |
| 585 | making me whole again, and again, supplemented by and helped by the meditation and prayer | 以冥想和祈祷来补充和帮助我 |
| 586 | around that. | 周围。 |
| 587 | If your head's not right, if you don't see reality the way that reality actually is, | 如果你的脑袋不对 如果你没有看到现实 |
| 588 | and therefore, and who you are and how you fit into reality, prayer and meditation are | 因此,你是谁? 你如何融入现实? 祈祷和冥想 |
| 589 | going to help treat symptoms, but I don't know that they're going to get to the root | 会帮助治疗症状, 但我不知道他们会得到的根 |
| 590 | of digging up all of that bad, bad programming, you know? | 挖掘所有的坏,坏的编程,你知道吗? |
| 591 | Moreover, and I don't mean this to be offensive to anyone, in fact, I find it to be quite | 而且,我不是说这是冒犯任何人, 事实上,我觉得这相当 |
| 592 | inclusive, we're all mentally ill. | 我们都是精神病患者 |
| 593 | I personally feel like mental health is something we all deal with, we all have, we unfortunately | 我个人觉得 心理健康是 我们都处理的事情, 我们都有, 不幸的是 |
| 594 | look at mental health, if we put health with physical health, nobody has any problems talking | 看看心理健康,如果我们把健康 与身体健康, 没有人有任何问题说话 |
| 595 | about any of it. | 任何关于它。 |
| 596 | In fact, there's a whole broad spectrum. | 实际上,有整个广谱. |
| 597 | If you're physically ill, that can mean anything from the common cold to cancer, and if you | 如果你身体有疾病,那可能意味着什么 从普通的寒冷到癌症, 如果你 |
| 598 | say that I'm ill, no one's like, oh, God, you know, they're going, oh, gosh, what's | 说我生病了,没有人像, 哦,上帝,你知道, 他们要去,哦,天哪,是什么 |
| 599 | going on with you? | 跟你继续? |
| 600 | There's not a stigma that's necessarily attached to that. | 不一定有这种耻辱感 |
| 601 | Nobody's judging you necessarily for what's going on in your physical well-being. | 没有人判断你的身体状况 |
| 602 | All of a sudden, you switch out mental for physical, and you say mental illness, and | 突然间,你转出 精神上的身体, 你说精神疾病, |
| 603 | the only thing that, I mean, now, thank God, we're coming to a much better place in society, | 我的意思是,现在,感谢上帝, 我们来到一个更好的社会, |
| 604 | but for the longest time, mental illness was straight jacket, rubber room, you're crazy, | 但是在最长的时间里,精神疾病是 直外套,橡胶室,你疯了, |
| 605 | that's it. | 就这样 |
| 606 | We have to start reassessing that massively and understand that to be mentally ill, to | 我们必须开始大规模地重新评估,并理解,要患有精神病, |
| 607 | use, I think, a dental analogy probably is the best I've come up with, all of us have | 使用,我想,一个牙科类比 可能是最好的我 想到,我们每个人都有 |
| 608 | cavities from time to time. | 阴穴不时. |
| 609 | All of us deal with mental illness, little cavities in our heads, and that can be literally | 我们每个人都处理精神疾病, 我们头脑中的小腔隙, 这可以字面上 |
| 610 | how you start your day and you pass somebody on the street and they did a thing and that | 你是如何开始你的一天, 你传递某人在街上 他们做了一件事,那 |
| 611 | affected you and now you're allowing it to affect you and now that started a little cavity | 影响你,现在你允许它 影响你,现在开始一个小洞 |
| 612 | in your brain and you've got to root that thing out, and for some of us, we're much | 在你的大脑里,你必须把那个东西根植出来, 而对我们有些人来说,我们有很多 |
| 613 | better at being able to attend to that stuff. | 更能照顾那些东西 |
| 614 | Sometimes we don't, and then that cavity becomes a much bigger cavity, and then all of a sudden, | 有时我们不这样做, 然后这个腔变成 一个大得多的腔, 然后突然, |
| 615 | you need a root canal. | 你需要一条根渠 |
| 616 | Some of us out there in the world, I needed a major root canal. | 世界上有些人 我需要一条主要的根渠 |
| 617 | The way that I saw myself and the way that I saw how I fit into this world needed to | 我对自己的看法 以及我对如何融入这个世界的看法 |
| 618 | be rooted out of my brain big time. | 被根植 从我的大脑大时间。 |
| 619 | So as soon as I could do that, going back to the dental analogy, once the dentist could | 所以,只要我能做到这一点,回到 牙科类比,一旦牙医可以 |
| 620 | get in there and clean all that crap out and then fix that and seal that, well, then it | 进去把那些垃圾都清理干净 然后修好 然后封起来 |
| 621 | was a matter of maintaining that and loving myself through all of that, and that's where | 是一个问题保持这一点 并爱自己 通过这一切,这就是 |
| 622 | I find the meditation and prayer, and to me, prayer and meditation are kind of synonymous. | 我认为,冥想和祷告是同义词。 |
| 623 | My prayer time is my meditative time. | 我的祷告时间是我的冥想时间。 |
| 624 | Occasionally, I will do actual just straight kind of mindfulness meditation or centering | 偶尔,我会做 真正的直 那种直觉冥想或中心 |
| 625 | prayer, which is very similar, where you either just focus on your breath or you focus on | 祈祷,这是非常相似的, 在那里你要么只关注你的呼吸 要么你专注于 |
| 626 | one word and you kind of have that mantra and you go through that to really just calm | 一个字,你有点有 漫画,你走过 真正只是平静 |
| 627 | it all down, calm the mechanism, because we live in a world that is so go, go, go, go, | 冷静下来,机制,因为我们生活在一个 如此去,去,去,去, |
| 628 | and it is completely not what our biological evolutionary kind of path has been. | 这完全不是我们的生物进化类型路径。 |
| 629 | We were hunter-gatherers going back to Yuval and Sapiens and stuff like that. | 我们是猎人采集者 回到尤瓦尔和萨皮恩斯 之类的东西。 |
| 630 | By the way, reading that book helped me, because that context and perspective, I think, is | 顺便说一句,读那本书对我很有帮助,因为我认为,这种背景和视角是 |
| 631 | so important in understanding who you are and how you fit into this world. | 了解你是谁 如何融入这个世界 |
| 632 | And why you got there. | 和为什么你到那里。 |
| 633 | And why you got there, exactly. | 确切地说,你为什么到那里。 |
| 634 | So I will still have some actual meditation, like proper meditation, but my prayer time, | 所以我还是要好好的冥想一下 就像我的祷告时间一样 |
| 635 | coming before the Creator and on my knees and asking to be able to walk always in humility, | 来到造物主面前 跪在我膝上 要求能够谦卑地行走 |
| 636 | gratitude, and trust, those three words are, to me, the foundation and cornerstone of my | 感谢和信任,这三句话,对我来说,是我的基础和基石 |
| 637 | entire life. | 整个人生 |
| 638 | Me too. | 我也一样。 |
| 639 | Yeah, man. | 是啊,伙计。 |
| 640 | In fact, I was thinking about getting HGT tattooed somewhere on me. | 事实上,我正想把HGT纹在我身上 |
| 641 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 642 | I'm still working on it. | 我还在努力 |
| 643 | I don't have any tattoos, but I think I might at some point. | 我没有纹身, 但我想我可能会在某个时候。 |
| 644 | I think that's an awesome description. | 我觉得这描述很棒 |
| 645 | Thanks, man. | 谢谢 |
| 646 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 647 | I love the dental analogy. | 我喜欢牙医类比 |
| 648 | Oh, yeah. | 对 |
| 649 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 650 | I think it's brilliant. | 我觉得很聪明 |
| 651 | And I think what you're saying is so true that we sometimes think of meditation and | 我想你说的是真的 我们有时会想到冥想 |
| 652 | prayer as the be-all and end-all of our transformation, but actually, initially, it requires that | 祈祷是我们变革的全部和结束, 但实际上,一开始,它要求 |
| 653 | step of really uprooting, really rewiring the ego, doing the work of just- | 一步真正拔除, 真正重塑自我, 做的工作只是... |
| 654 | Oh, killing the ego. | 哦,杀死自我。 |
| 655 | Deepest self-reflection. | 最深自应. |
| 656 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 对,对,对 |
| 657 | And meditation and prayer, of course, aid that, but then they become that momentum that | 当然,冥想和祷告会助及于此,但后来它们变成了一种动力, |
| 658 | keeps it going. | 继续 |
| 659 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 660 | They're the daily cleaning. | 他们每天打扫 |
| 661 | They're the daily cleansing. | 他们是每天的清洗。 |
| 662 | And some people, by the way, and some people are really blessed where they grow up in a | 有些人,顺便说一句, 有些人真的有福 在他们成长的地方 |
| 663 | household where their parents gave them a great foundation of mental health. | 他们的父母给了他们巨大的精神卫生基础。 |
| 664 | They gave them a great foundation of knowing that they're loved completely unconditionally | 他们给了他们一个伟大的基础 让他们知道自己被完全无条件的爱 |
| 665 | or, yeah, unconditionally. | 或者,是的,无条件。 |
| 666 | Yeah, unconditionally. | 是的,无条件。 |
| 667 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 668 | And I was like, wait, what is that definition? | 我当时想,等等,那是什么定义? |
| 669 | Yeah, where it didn't matter if they... | 是啊,在那里它没有关系 如果他们... |
| 670 | In my home, if I accidentally dropped a glass and it broke on the ground, if my mom, who | 在我的家里,如果我不小心掉了个玻璃 摔在地上,如果我妈妈,谁 |
| 671 | as it turned out was a borderline personality, if my mom happened to be in a good mood, it | 如果我妈心情好的话 |
| 672 | was like, oh, that's fine, honey. | ⊿闽玒腳ī |
| 673 | If she was in a bad mood, it was the end of the world. | 如果她心情不好,世界末日就结束了 |
| 674 | Now, I didn't realize that every time she snapped at us and yelled at us or smacked | 现在,我不知道,每次她冲我们冲我们大喊大叫或者打我们 |
| 675 | us or whatever that was, I mean, not like smacked us, but would give us a swat on the | 我们或什么的,我的意思是, 不是像打我们, |
| 676 | ass or something. | 屁股之类的 |
| 677 | Those things were all leading me to having literal trauma switches in my head so that | 那些东西都导致我脑中 出现字面创伤开关 |
| 678 | every time then I drop a glass and break something, I beat the shit out of myself. | 每次我掉下杯子 打破东西, 我打狗屎自己。 |
| 679 | I beat myself up when I would do that. | 我打自己 当我这样做。 |
| 680 | So I needed to... | 所以我必须... |
| 681 | Those are all those little things where I needed to reprogram, literally rewire the | 这些都是我需要重新编程的小东西 重新编程 |
| 682 | operating system that my mom had given me when I was a kid. | 我小时候我妈给我的操作系统 |
| 683 | I needed an updated operating system. | 我需要更新的操作系统 |
| 684 | And I think that's what therapy really hopefully allows us to do. | 我认为这就是治疗 真正希望我们做的。 |
| 685 | If you're born into a home where you're given a pretty good operating system, then | 如果你出生在一个家庭 在那里你有一个相当好的操作系统,那么 |
| 686 | meditation and prayer may be all you need, at least for quite some time, until you maybe | 冥想和祷告可能是你所需要的, 至少有一段时间,直到你可能 |
| 687 | have more trauma or more abuse or whatever where you need some more help. | 更多创伤或更多虐待 或任何你需要更多帮助的地方。 |
| 688 | But for me, the therapy helped to clean that, uproot that, all that, and the daily practice | 但对我来说,治疗 帮助清理, 根除这一切, 所有, 和日常练习 |
| 689 | of going and literally falling before God and just wanting to remain in reality, knowing | 在上帝面前, 并只想保持现实,知道 |
| 690 | who I am, knowing that my worth has nothing to do with how successful I become or don't | 我是谁,知道我的价值 与我成功与否无关 |
| 691 | become, that there is purpose for me in this world. | 成为,有我的目的 在这个世界上。 |
| 692 | And that's where I think the trust part comes in. | 我认为信任部分就在这里出现。 |
| 693 | If you're not a very spiritual person or you don't believe in a creator or a higher being | 如果你不是一个非常灵性的人 或者你不相信一个创造者或更高者 |
| 694 | or whatever, perhaps you trust in something else I don't know. | 或许你相信一些我不知道的事 |
| 695 | For me, it's a matter of trusting that I don't have all the answers. | 对我而言,这事关信任,因为我并没有得到所有答案. |
| 696 | I don't know where my journey is going to go. | 我不知道我的旅程会去哪里 |
| 697 | I don't know how I'm going to be used in this world and in this life, but I'm going to trust | 我不知道我将如何被用 在这个世界和生活中, 但我会相信 |
| 698 | that as long as I keep doing this work, really the only important work, that if I do this, | 只要我继续做这项工作, 真正的唯一重要的工作, 如果我这样做, |
| 699 | then everything else will happen the way that it's supposed to happen. | 然后其他的一切都会像预期的那样发生 |
| 700 | That gives me a tremendous amount of peace throughout the journey as well. | 这给我带来了巨大的和平,在整个旅程中。 |
| 701 | I love that, man. | 我喜欢,伙计。 |
| 702 | And I think you're right. | 我想你是对的 |
| 703 | I think we all need to trust timing, the process, universe. | 我认为我们都需要相信时机,过程,宇宙。 |
| 704 | You have to find patience, that you've been living in your life. | 你必须找到耐心,你一直在生活。 |
| 705 | And I definitely know that in my life too. | 我也绝对知道这一点 |
| 706 | When I went off to become a monk at 22, and the reaction from all my friends and family | 当我22岁去当和尚的时候, 我所有的朋友和家人的反应 |
| 707 | was, well, you're never going to get a job again. | 你永远也找不到工作了 |
| 708 | You're going to be years behind. | 你会落后几年 |
| 709 | And all of those things of like, well, where's your future going to go? | 所有那些事情 比如,嗯,你的未来会去哪里? |
| 710 | And for me, it was, no, I trust that this is the best investment of my time. | 对我来说,这是,不,我相信 这是最好的投资 我的时间。 |
| 711 | That this time that I'm going to be spending in meditation and self growth and awareness | 这次我要花在冥想 自我成长和意识上 |
| 712 | and destruction of my ego and all of that, is the best thing I could be doing right now. | 摧毁我的自我和这一切, 是我现在所能做的最好的事。 |
| 713 | And almost all we can do is trust the present and trust what we're doing right now. | 我们所能做的几乎就是相信现在,相信我们现在正在做的事情。 |
| 714 | We all don't know what's going to happen in 5, 10, 15 years. | 我们都不知道5、10、15年后会发生什么 |
| 715 | No, no. | 没有,没有。 |
| 716 | And in fact, it's easy for me to say, I'm in a position now where I'm literally living | 事实上,我很容易说,我现在正处在一个 我真正生活的地方 |
| 717 | in some of the most rarefied air that anyone could ever live in, to be the titular role | 在一些最稀有的空气中 任何人都可以生活, 成为三角角色 |
| 718 | in a superhero franchise and this 20 years of incredibly blessed life. | 在超级英雄的特许经营权 和这20年令人难以置信的幸福生活。 |
| 719 | It's not lost on me that people say, man, I'm so happy for you. | 有人说,我为你高兴 |
| 720 | You really deserve it. | 你真该死 |
| 721 | It's like, I appreciate that. | 这就像,我很感激。 |
| 722 | And I know what you mean by the sentiment, but I actually disagree because I don't know | 我知道你的情绪是什么意思 但我实际上不同意 因为我不知道 |
| 723 | that anybody deserves this. | 任何人都应该这样 |
| 724 | I mean, look at all the incredible people that have unbelievable hearts and minds that | 我的意思是,看看所有令人难以置信的人 那些令人难以置信的心灵和头脑 |
| 725 | are living in third world countries that have nothing. | 生活在第三世界国家,却一无所有。 |
| 726 | They deserve it. | 他们活该 |
| 727 | Those people are doing everything that they can just to survive. | 那些人正在尽一切可能生存下去。 |
| 728 | So I don't know that anybody deserves any of this. | 所以,我不知道 任何人值得这一切。 |
| 729 | But had I known what my life was going to be like right now, a year and a half ago before, | 但是,如果我知道 我的生活会是什么 现在,一年半前, |
| 730 | if somehow, you know, the crystal ball said, oh, don't worry, you know, all the things | 如果不知何故,你知道, 水晶球说, 哦,不用担心,你知道, 所有的事情 |
| 731 | you're worrying about right now, no, don't worry, because what's going to happen is you're | 你担心的现在, 不,不要担心, 因为会发生什么,你是 |
| 732 | going to do this and that's going to happen, blah, blah, blah, and now you're going to | 接下来你就要这么做了 |
| 733 | be there. | 在那边 |
| 734 | Well, that would have been pretty incredible. | 那会是相当不可思议的。 |
| 735 | But what would have been even better is if a year and a half ago, two years ago, I would | 但是,如果一年半前,两年前,我就会 |
| 736 | have just known to trust, to be patient with where this is going, because I wouldn't change | 因为我不会改变 |
| 737 | anything. | 任何东西。 |
| 738 | A year and a half ago, there's so many things in my past that I would have changed in order | 一年半前,我过去有很多事情 我本会改变的 |
| 739 | to maneuver to get somewhere that I felt like would have been a better place for my life. | 来一个更好的地方生活 |
| 740 | But now that I am where I am, where I'm sitting, where I'm sitting, I literally wouldn't have | 但现在我身处此地,我坐在那里,我坐在那里, 我实际上不会有 |
| 741 | changed anything. | 改变了任何东西。 |
| 742 | I wouldn't have changed the trauma that my mom put me through. | 我不会改变我妈妈给我带来的创伤的 |
| 743 | I wouldn't change anything about the abuse that I went through, because had I not gone | 我不会改变我经历的虐待 因为如果我没有去 |
| 744 | through that, then I wouldn't be able to sit here literally right now talking to you and | 那样的话,我就不能坐在这里了 现在和你说话 |
| 745 | hopefully talking to people out there and saying, you're okay, we're okay, we can get | 希望和外面的人说话 说,你没事,我们没事,我们可以 |
| 746 | through this. | 通过这个。 |
| 747 | This is something that we all are dealing with. | 这是我们都在处理的问题。 |
| 748 | It's unfortunate that abuse and trauma and mental illness are being passed down generationally, | 不幸虐待、创伤和精神疾病 一代又一代地传承下来 |
| 749 | but it can be helped. | 但它可以帮助。 |
| 750 | It can be fixed. | 可以修炼. |
| 751 | We can love ourselves and we can love each other. | 我们可以爱自己 我们可以彼此相爱 |
| 752 | We can go make the world so groovy if we can just get this out. | 我们可以去让世界变得如此豪华 如果我们能把它弄出来。 |
| 753 | And I wouldn't be able to talk about it as deeply or as passionately or as authentically | 我将无法谈论它 深 或热情或真实 |
| 754 | had I not gone through all of that stuff prior. | 之前我有没有看过那些东西 |
| 755 | A hundred percent. | 百分百都一样 |
| 756 | I couldn't agree more. | 我完全同意这一点。 |
| 757 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 758 | I'm so glad you've driven that. | 我很高兴你开这辆车 |
| 759 | I mean, you're like on fire right now, by the way. | 顺便说一句 你现在就像着火了 |
| 760 | It's so great to hear you drive that message home, because I feel all of us need to be | 听到你把信息带回家真好 因为我觉得我们都需要 |
| 761 | open to the plan. | 对计划开放。 |
| 762 | You can get to where you want in life, just not in the way you imagine it. | 你可以去你想要的地方, 只是不像你想象的那样。 |
| 763 | And that's the challenge that because it doesn't look like your imagination, you don't want | 这就是挑战,因为它不 看起来像你的想象,你不希望 |
| 764 | to walk down that road. | 沿着这条路走 |
| 765 | You want it to look this perfect way or a certain way. | 你希望它看起来这么完美 或者某种方式。 |
| 766 | And I've done that in my life where I thought that success or happiness looked like this. | 我这辈子也做过这样的事情, 那时我以为成功或幸福是这样的。 |
| 767 | And then when what I was faced with was completely the opposite, it was scary to walk down that | 当我面对的是完全相反的时候, 走下去是可怕的 |
| 768 | path. | 路径。 |
| 769 | And the same is what you're saying. | 亦如汝所说. |
| 770 | Like, I don't think we want to blame this on our parents. | 喜欢,我不认为我们想 怪我们的父母。 |
| 771 | I don't think we want to blame it on, and I don't hear that from you at all. | 我不认为我们想责怪它, 我根本不听你的。 |
| 772 | You don't want to blame it on any of those things because those building blocks are going | 你可不想怪那些东西 因为那些构件要动了 |
| 773 | to give you the journey you need to help more people too, because this is going to be a | 给你一个你需要的旅程 帮助更多的人, 因为这将是一个 |
| 774 | common experience. | 共同经验。 |
| 775 | It's going to be a shared experience and you can only help someone if you've been there | 这将是一个共享的经验, 你只能帮助某人 如果你去过那里 |
| 776 | before. | 之前,我刚说 |
| 777 | Well, and that's why it's important, I think, that people, you know, particularly when it | 这就是为什么它的重要性,我认为, 人们,你知道,特别是当它 |
| 778 | comes to mental health, we need to be brave enough to be vulnerable enough with our journey | 到了心理健康,我们需要勇敢 足够脆弱 与我们的旅程 |
| 779 | and our testimony. | 还有我们的证词 |
| 780 | You're doing it, man. | 你这样做,男人。 |
| 781 | Well, I appreciate that, but it's not even, I don't even feel like it's an option. | 好吧,我很感激,但它不是 even,我甚至不觉得 这是一个选择。 |
| 782 | It is completely like, it's God, it is, I literally like it. | 这是完全一样,这是上帝, 它是,我字面上喜欢它。 |
| 783 | It excites me so much that I have, that I personally have gone through what I've gone | 令我兴奋的是我拥有的 我个人经历了我所经历的一切 |
| 784 | through in order to be able to go talk about this stuff, because there are so many people | 为了能去谈这些东西 因为有这么多人 |
| 785 | out there that are, look, I see them on Twitter and on Instagram on a regular basis, people | 我经常在推特和Instagram上看到 |
| 786 | that are going through so much, that are feeling quite lost, quite alone. | 正在经历如此之多, 感觉相当迷失, 非常孤独。 |
| 787 | And that's why I spend as much time as I do on my social media, because I feel like, yes, | 所以我在社交媒体上花了很多时间 因为我觉得 |
| 788 | it's on one hand, one of the most destructive things that's ever come across all of us. | 它的一方面, 最破坏性的东西 曾经遇到我们所有人。 |
| 789 | We get lost in it, people are, it's creating mental illness in a lot of people, but we | 我们迷路了,人们是, 它造成了精神疾病 在很多人,但我们 |
| 790 | can use it for such powerful good and being able to reach out and say, yes, I deal with | 能够用它来达到如此强大的目的 并且能够伸手说,是的,我处理 |
| 791 | this. | 这个 |
| 792 | I have dealt with this. | 我已经处理过了 |
| 793 | And by the way, we're all dealing with it. | 顺便说一句 我们都在对付它 |
| 794 | Everyone is dealing with it. | 每个人都在对付它。 |
| 795 | No one is immune to, well, maybe the Dalai Lama, I don't know. | 没有人能幸免,也许达赖喇嘛,我不知道. |
| 796 | But you know what I mean? | 但你知道我的意思吗? |
| 797 | Because this is how our brains work. | 因为我们的大脑就是这样工作的。 |
| 798 | This is how our hearts work. | 我们的心就是这样工作的 |
| 799 | And the wiring is so old school, right? | 电线很旧,对吧? |
| 800 | Because it's so embedded into the way we're wired, that it takes time to unwire that and | 因为它是如此的嵌入 我们的方式有线, 它需要时间去解线, |
| 801 | unravel that. | 解开 |
| 802 | Like if something's happened for thousands of years, right? | 就像发生了几千年的事,对吧? |
| 803 | It's going to take a considerable amount of time to rewire that. | 需要相当长的时间才能重新接线. |
| 804 | It's like you don't just unwire something. | 就像你不只是不接线一样 |
| 805 | If something's been tangled in your closet for days, how long does it take? | 如果有东西被缠在你的衣柜里好几天了 要多久? |
| 806 | Or if your room's been messy and unclean? | 或者,如果你的房间是 混乱和不洁? |
| 807 | They just throw it out. | 他们只是扔出去。 |
| 808 | Yeah, you just throw it out. | 是啊,你只是扔出来。 |
| 809 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 810 | Which you can't do with yourself and you don't want to do with yourself. | 即不能自施而无欲自施. |
| 811 | And so, and I love how open you've been about it. | 所以,我喜欢你一直以来的开放。 |
| 812 | A few interviews that we looked at and saw with you talking about how, you know, comparison | 我们看过一些访谈 和你谈到比较 |
| 813 | on social media and comparing yourself to your peers, which is such a big thing. | 在社交媒体上 把自己和同龄人比起来 这是件大事 |
| 814 | And you were open about the fact that when your character first gets killed off in Thor | 你开口说你的角色第一次在索尔被杀的时候 |
| 815 | and talking about how like that felt like a bad moment, but actually now with what you're | 并谈论如何感觉 是一个不好的时刻, 但实际上现在你是什么 |
| 816 | getting to do, you realize that actually he was just preparing you for something much | 开始做,你知道,实际上 他只是准备你 一些事情 |
| 817 | bigger. | 翴 |
| 818 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 819 | This is exactly why you're going back to what we're talking about, about patience and trust. | 这就是你回到我们所说的 耐心和信任的原因 |
| 820 | Even though you might not understand or agree with what is happening in your life right | 尽管你可能不理解或不同意 你生命中发生的一切 |
| 821 | now, if you can look, if you're not trusting your flailing, that's where anger can come | 现在,如果你可以看,如果你不 相信你的闪烁, 这就是愤怒可以来的地方 |
| 822 | in. | 进去 |
| 823 | That's where doubt comes in. | 即是疑惑入处. |
| 824 | That's where fear comes in. | 即是怖畏入处. |
| 825 | That's where anxiety comes in. | 焦虑就在这里出现. |
| 826 | I didn't realize how much anxiety I dealt with probably my entire life. | 我没意识到我一生都面对着多少焦虑 |
| 827 | I didn't know that that feeling that I felt on a regular basis was anxiety until I went | 我不知道那种感觉 我经常感觉到的 是焦虑 直到我走了 |
| 828 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这就是我一直以来面对的焦虑 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我一直觉得 | |
| 829 | with for so long. | 这么久了 |
| 830 | Had I known, like when I was doing that last Thor, yeah, it was a bummer. | 如果我知道,就像当我做最后一个托尔, 是的,这是一个无趣。 |
| 831 | I mean, I felt like I was so stoked that I made it into the superhero world and then | 我的意思是,我觉得我是如此的兴奋 我把它进入超级英雄世界 然后 |
| 832 | just to kind of, you know, for it to do that, like there wasn't much to do. | 只是有点,你知道, 它做到这一点, 像没有什么可做的。 |
| 833 | And I was definitely feeling a little salty and a little down on myself and a little like, | 我确实觉得有点咸 有点沉闷,有点像, |
| 834 | okay, well, I guess that's it. | 好吧,我想就是这样。 |
| 835 | I guess I'll go have to pivot and figure out something else in my career or whatever that's | 我想我得去决定我的事业 |
| 836 | going to be. | 将会是。 |
| 837 | But again, had I known, had I known that, you know, if anybody's like, no, no, Zach, | 但是,如果我知道,如果我知道, 你知道,如果有人 像,不,不,扎克, |
| 838 | don't worry about it because you're going to die here. | 别担心,因为你会死在这里 |
| 839 | But then, you know, two years from now, that means that you're just going to be reborn | 但是,你知道,两年后, 这意味着你只是要重生 |
| 840 | in the DC universe. | 在华盛顿宇宙。 |
| 841 | I mean, obviously that would have made me feel much better back then, but I don't think | 我的意思是,很明显 那会让我感觉好多了 当时,但我不认为 |
| 842 | that's how life works because if we know what is going to come, then we don't ultimately | 生活就是这样运作的 因为如果我们知道接下来会发生什么 |
| 843 | appreciate what that's going to be. | 感谢那将会是什么。 |
| 844 | We need to go through these valleys in order to appreciate those mountaintops and that's | 我们需要穿过这些山谷 才能欣赏那些山顶 |
| 845 | it. | 这个 |
| 846 | We don't grow to become that in the best way and that and you don't get the growth. | 我们不会成长成这样的最佳方式 而你却得不到成长 |
| 847 | If you don't go through the hardship where you have to actually come to the end of yourself | 如果你没有经历困难 在那里,你必须 真正来到结束自己 |
| 848 | and trust and be patient and know that I don't know, I don't know what's coming, but I'm | 信任和耐心,知道 我不知道,我不知道会发生什么事,但我 |
| 849 | going to be grateful for what I have and I will trust in where this path is leading me. | 我会感激我所拥有的一切 我会相信这条路能指引我 |
| 850 | Then you don't get the growth and the growth is the most important part. | 那么,你得不到增长,增长是最重要的部分。 |
| 851 | You could become the biggest, most famous, most rich person in the world, but if you | 你可以成为世界上最大,最出名,最富有的人 但是如果你 |
| 852 | have not grown during any of that, then all of it's meaningless. | 在那期间没有成长,那么所有这一切都毫无意义。 |
| 853 | I want to be, you know, you said earlier, I love the alliteration. | 我想成为,你知道,你说 早些时候,我爱 彩绘。 |
| 854 | I don't know if you use it when you start every interview, but what was it? | 我不知道每次面试时你是否都用过,但是什么? |
| 855 | Enlightened, enlivened, and there was another word you said that I can't remember. | 启蒙的,充满活力的,还有一句你说我不记得了. |
| 856 | Educated and empowered, all of those things. | 受过教育并被赋予权力,所有这些东西。 |
| 857 | That is the real richness, the riches of life. | 这就是真正的财富,生命的财富。 |
| 858 | Again, I know it might even sound a little trite, somebody in my position saying like, | 再说一次,我知道这听起来可能有点老套, 有人在我的位置上说, |
| 859 | you know, it's not about the fame or the popularity or whatever because I'm somebody who now has | 你知道,这不是关于 名声或受欢迎或什么的 因为我现在有谁 |
| 860 | that and has had that and has done very well financially in my life. | 和已经有过这一点,并在我一生中做了非常好的财政。 |
| 861 | And I'm not saying, and I'd give it all up if I could, but in some ways, yeah, I suppose | 我不是说,我会放弃一切 如果我可以, 但在某些方面,我想 |
| 862 | I would. | 我会的 |
| 863 | There's deep down in me to know the depth of the joy and the peace and the gratitude | 我内心深处深处 深知欢乐 和平 感激 |
| 864 | that I feel now on the other side of the darkness because of the darkness. | 我现在觉得在黑暗的另一边 因为黑暗。 |
| 865 | If I didn't experience that darkness, if I didn't ever sit in my room literally crying | 如果我没有经历黑暗, 如果我从来没有坐在我的房间 字面哭 |
| 866 | out to God to help me, to save me, to show me the way because I was so lost, what I feel | 向上帝求助 拯救我 指引我道路 因为我迷路了 |
| 867 | today I wouldn't be feeling. | 今天我感觉不到 |
| 868 | You get to the place, and it's not even the destination because it's still the journey. | 你到了地方,它甚至不是目的地,因为它仍然是旅程。 |
| 869 | We're still journeying. | 我们还在旅行 |
| 870 | And by the way, who knows? | 还有,谁知道呢? |
| 871 | I could walk out of here and get hit by a car and that's it. | 我可以走出去被车撞到 就这样 |
| 872 | I could live ten... | 我可以活十岁... |
| 873 | Well, yeah, I mean, either. | 嗯,是的,我的意思是,无论是。 |
| 874 | But I think it's important to always be aware that, you know, I think that we are both infinitely | 但我认为必须始终意识到, 你知道,我认为我们都是无限的 |
| 875 | valuable and entirely unimportant, if that makes any sense, you know what I mean? | 有价值而且完全不重要 如果有道理,你知道我的意思吗? |
| 876 | Invaluable and insignificant. | 无价值和微不足道。 |
| 877 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 878 | And if we can always maintain that and know that right now, right here is all we actually | 如果我们能一直坚持下去 并且知道现在,就在这里,我们实际上 |
| 879 | have and to keep digging into the depth of the right here and the right now, which is | 不断挖掘这里和现在的深处 |
| 880 | one of the reasons I'm so grateful that we're having this conversation, because this is | 其中一个原因,我非常感激 我们有这个谈话,因为这是 |
| 881 | a right here, right now. | 就在这里,现在。 |
| 882 | Let's be present and let's talk about what really matters. | 让我们在场,谈谈真正重要的是什么。 |
| 883 | You know, I can go talk about Shazam all day long and I'm grateful that we got to make | 你知道,我可以整天谈论沙扎姆 我很感激我们要做 |
| 884 | an incredible movie that is really genuinely bringing people so much joy. | 一部令人难以置信的电影, 真正给人们带来如此的快乐。 |
| 885 | But you know, that's all the trappings of what the most important stuff is, which is | 但你知道,这是所有陷阱 最重要的东西是什么,这就是 |
| 886 | let's go heal the world. | 让我们去治愈世界。 |
| 887 | Let's go make this place... | 我们去把这个地方... |
| 888 | Let's go teach more empathy. | 让我们去教更多的同情。 |
| 889 | Let's go feel more empathy. | 让我们去感受更多的同情。 |
| 890 | I mean, you were talking about earlier about knowing how much more deeply we can love someone | 我的意思是,你刚才在说 知道我们有多深 爱一个人 |
| 891 | when we know someone. | 当我们认识某人时 |
| 892 | I mean, that's empathy, empathy, empathy, empathy, empathy, empathy, empathy, empathy, | 我的意思是,这是同情,同情,同情,同情,同情,同情,同情, |
| 893 | empathy, empathy, empathy, you know? | 同情,同情,同情,你知道吗? |
| 894 | 天呐 我只是... Oh God, I just... | |
| 895 | It's the best. | 这是最好的。 |
| 896 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 897 | Let's... | 我们... |
| 898 | I want to... | 我想说... |
| 899 | We always do a final five at the end of every interview, but before we do that, I do want | 我们总是在每次采访结束时做最后5个 但在此之前,我想 |
| 900 | to talk about Shazam, because what I loved is you were talking about how you felt like | 因为我爱的是 你在谈论你的感觉 |
| 901 | you got to play yourself because of the childlike, you know, man-child element to the role and | 你得扮演自己 因为孩子一样,你知道,男人 -孩子元素 角色和 |
| 902 | character. | 字符键。 |
| 903 | I'm excited to go and see it this week. | 我很高兴这周能去看 |
| 904 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 对,对,对 |
| 905 | I'm really looking forward to it. | 我真的很期待它。 |
| 906 | But tell me about that playful aspect of you and that joy that people are going to feel | 但是告诉我,你那有趣的方面 和人们会感到的快乐 |
| 907 | through you being able to be part of yourself. | 通过你能够成为你自己的一部分。 |
| 908 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 909 | I mean, look, I've always been, like I said, like a super energetic spaz of a kid. | 我的意思是,你看,我一直,像我说的, 像一个超级充满活力的孩子。 |
| 910 | And that's never really left me. | 我从来没有离开过 |
| 911 | And when I was about four, I realized that I could intentionally make somebody laugh. | 当我四岁的时候,我意识到 我可以故意让别人笑。 |
| 912 | And if they laughed, they felt good. | 如果他们笑,他们感觉很好。 |
| 913 | And that made me feel good. | 这让我感觉很好。 |
| 914 | Even aside from the applause or whatever, I loved making people feel joy. | 除了掌声什么的,我爱让人们感到快乐。 |
| 915 | I loved it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 916 | It's the greatest drug in the world. | 谓最上药. |
| 917 | And I feel like, genuinely, like when I do Broadway or whatever, like I feel like I'm | 我觉得,真的, 就像当我做百老汇什么的, |
| 918 | living out, literally living out my purpose. | 活出来, 字面上是活出来我的目的。 |
| 919 | And when you feel like you're living out your purpose, it is the most fulfilling thing ever, | 当你觉得你活在你的目的之外, 这是有史以来最满足的事情, |
| 920 | more than anything. | 胜过一切. |
| 921 | So, but part of that, you know, and I think also just part of working in this business, | 所以,但其中的一部分,你知道的, 我认为也只是工作的一部分 在这个行业, |
| 922 | you get to hopefully use your imagination and should use your imagination. | 并且应该利用你的想象力 |
| 923 | And I have always tried to hold on to that. | 我一直试图坚持下去。 |
| 924 | I've always tried to hold on to joy. | 常欲执持欢喜. |
| 925 | I love feeling joy. | 我喜欢高兴 |
| 926 | I love bringing joy. | 我喜欢带来欢乐 |
| 927 | I love having, therefore, love having a great time. | 因此,我喜欢有一个伟大的时间。 |
| 928 | I love hosting parties. | 我喜欢举办派对 |
| 929 | I like dance parties. | 我喜欢舞会 |
| 930 | I like singing. | 我喜欢唱歌 |
| 931 | I like karaoke. | 我喜欢卡拉OK |
| 932 | I like riding motorcycles and jumping out of planes. | 我喜欢骑摩托车和跳飞机 |
| 933 | I mean, this is just my personality. | 我的意思是,这只是我的个性。 |
| 934 | It's always been. | 始终如一. |
| 935 | And all of those things, you know, I think I've tried to grow up and be a responsible | 所有这些事情,你知道, 我想我已经尝试 长大并成为一个负责任的 |
| 936 | human being in a way that's important. | 人类以某种重要的方式存在。 |
| 937 | But I've also, you know, kind of shirked some of that stuff where I feel like people tend | 但我也一样,你知道, 有点推卸了一些东西, |
| 938 | to feel like, you know, well, we got to take this more seriously or we got to take or rather | 感觉像,你知道,嗯, 我们必须更认真对待这一点 或者我们必须采取或者更 |
| 939 | take ourselves more seriously, which I think we need to do far less of. | 更认真地对待自己,我认为我们需要做的要少得多。 |
| 940 | We need to take ourselves far less seriously. | 我们需要更不认真对待自己。 |
| 941 | And so all of those things, I think have, I don't know, helped kind of protect the little | 所以所有这些东西,我认为,我不知道, 帮助保护了小 |
| 942 | kid in me. | 小子在我体内。 |
| 943 | And maybe even some of my mental illness that I, again, I'm so grateful to God that even | 甚至我有些精神疾病,我再次感谢上帝 |
| 944 | all of that bad stuff he used or she or it or whatever used to maintain this essence | 他用那些坏东西来维持这个精髓 |
| 945 | of who I am deep down inside. | 我内心深处的人 |
| 946 | And all of that, I just got to filter right into the character. | 所有这一切,我只需要 过滤正确的角色。 |
| 947 | I mean, on top of the fact that ever since I was a kid, I dreamt about being a superhero, | 我的意思是,除了这个事实, 从我还是个孩子, 我梦想成为一个超级英雄, |
| 948 | like I think most of us do. | 就像我想我们大多数人一样。 |
| 949 | So it's total wish fulfillment. | 所以这是完全的愿望实现。 |
| 950 | Like, you know, I feel bad for a lot of the actors who play the serious superheroes, which, | 喜欢,你知道,我感到不好 很多演员 谁扮演严重的超级英雄, |
| 951 | by the way, most of them are, most of them are very serious adults who are concerned | 顺便说一句,他们大多数是, 他们大多数是非常严肃的成年人 谁关心 |
| 952 | with saving the world. | 与拯救世界。 |
| 953 | And so I know in real life, exactly, exactly. | 所以我知道真实生活中, 准确,准确。 |
| 954 | But you know, I know that Christian Bale was probably super chuffed that he got to be Batman, | 但你知道,我知道,克里斯蒂安·鲍尔 很可能是超级胡说八道 他得到了蝙蝠侠, |
| 955 | but he had to sit on it. | 但他必须坐在那里。 |
| 956 | He had to like, he was like, oh my God, I get to be Batman. | 他必须喜欢,他就像, 哦,我的上帝,我得到了蝙蝠侠。 |
| 957 | And then the cameras were rolling. | 然后相机在滚动。 |
| 958 | It's like, I'm Batman, you know, I got to just not, I got to, you know, literally not | 这就像,我是蝙蝠侠,你知道, 我必须只是不, 我必须,你知道, |
| 959 | rein myself in at all. | 完全控制自己 完全控制自己 |
| 960 | All that enthusiasm that I felt for like, oh my God, I'm getting this dream job. | 所有我感受到的热情, 哦,我的上帝, 我得到了这个梦想的工作。 |
| 961 | I just got to, you know, put that right into the character onto the screen. | 我刚刚要,你知道, 把这个右 字符在屏幕上。 |
| 962 | Plus hanging out with the kids, of which we have a whole incredible and talented cast | 再加上和孩子们在一起 我们有一个不可思议和天才的演员 |
| 963 | of kids and that I worked with all the time. | 我和孩子们一起工作 |
| 964 | And they would constantly remind me what it meant to be a kid, which in a lot of ways | 他们不断提醒我 做个孩子的意义 在许多方面 |
| 965 | is just not having responsibility. | 只是没有责任。 |
| 966 | They don't, they're able to still be silly and not take themselves so seriously until | 他们没有,他们仍然可以 傻,不把自己这么认真,直到 |
| 967 | they start getting into like high school years. | 他们开始进入高中时代。 |
| 968 | And then all of a sudden it's all about clicks and cool and all that garbage that, oh my | 然后突然间,它的所有 点击和凉爽,所有的垃圾,哦,我的 |
| 969 | God, I can't wait to maybe do a school tour one day and go to high schools and say, stop, | 上帝,我等不及了 也许做一个学校巡视 有一天,去高中说,停下来, |
| 970 | stop, don't, don't care about social constructs anymore. | 别再管社会结构了 |
| 971 | Stop it. | 别说了 |
| 972 | Go do all the homework, do all the things that your parents and your teachers are asking | 去做功课,做你父母和老师要求的一切 |
| 973 | you to do. | 你来做。 |
| 974 | There's a whole life beyond high school. | 高中以后还有一辈子 |
| 975 | It's all just one big bubble. | 都只是一个大泡泡. |
| 976 | It将爆. | |
| 977 | You're never going to see those people again. | 你再也见不到那些人了 |
| 978 | Oh my gosh, there's so much time that we waste wishing that we were a part of whatever this | 哦,我的上帝,有这么多的时间, 我们浪费了希望 我们成为任何这一切的一部分 |
| 979 | cool click is. | 冷静的点击是。 |
| 980 | And by the way, even that, I want to read to find the word cool, cool. | 顺便说一下,即使如此,我想读一下 找到一个很酷,很酷的词。 |
| 981 | All the people that think they're cool or are trying to be cool are the least cool. | 所有觉得自己很酷或想冷静的人 最不酷 |
| 982 | Being cool means you're trusting. | 冷静意味着你信任 |
| 983 | Being cool means you're not fazed. | 冷静意味着你没有迷恋。 |
| 984 | You're not worried about fitting in. | 你并不担心适应 |
| 985 | Let's go be actually cool. | 让我们去真的很酷。 |
| 986 | Let's not go try and be like, oh, I need to wear the right clothes or I need to have the | 让我们不要去尝试 像,哦,我需要穿正确的衣服 或者我需要拥有 |
| 987 | right style or whatever that is. | 正确的风格或什么的。 |
| 988 | That's all nonsense. | 胡说八道 |
| 989 | I can't. | 我没办法 |
| 990 | Oh, I want all that to die a horrible death for real. | 哦,我希望这一切死 一个可怕的死亡真实。 |
| 991 | But yeah, so on top of all that, yeah, just like, you know, getting to getting to be that | 但是,是的,所以在所有这些之上, 是的,只是喜欢,你知道, |
| 992 | kid and bring that kid to life on screen is a lot of fun. | 带孩子上银幕很好玩 |
| 993 | But I really, again, like the movie's done well, and I'm really grateful that it's doing | 但我真的,再次, 像电影的做得很好, 我真的很感激它正在做 |
| 994 | well, not even just domestically, but internationally and all that. | 不仅在国内,而且在国际上和所有这一切。 |
| 995 | But the thing I'm most proud of in this film and the thing I'm most grateful for is that | 但我在这部电影中最骄傲的是 我最感激的是 |
| 996 | I believe that, you know, again, God is using me to portray a character that is bringing | 我相信,你知道,再次, 上帝在利用我 描绘一个人物 正在带来 |
| 997 | people joy. | 人们的欢乐。 |
| 998 | People are leaving the theater and they are floating a foot off the ground. | 人们正在离开剧院 他们漂浮在地上一英尺。 |
| 999 | are yelling Shazam as they're leaving the theater and feeling that imagination come | 在他们离开剧院时 喊着Shazam 觉得有想象力 |
| 1000 | back to life in them again. | 回到他们的生活。 |
| 1001 | And if if if what I believe is true, which is that I was put on this planet to to love | 如果我相信的是真的 那就是我被安排在这个星球上去爱 |
| 1002 | people and to bring them joy and that this is what is now happening in my life. | 并给他们带来欢乐 这就是我生命中正在发生的 |
| 1003 | Like I just gratitude, just like the deepest gratitude. | 就像我只是感谢, 就像最深切的感谢。 |
| 1004 | That's awesome, man. | 这是真棒,男人。 |
| 1005 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 1006 | Hearing you say that reminds me of something I read a while ago is I think it went I want | 听到你这么说 让我想起我之前读过的东西 我想它会消失 |
| 1007 | to get this right. | 要得到这个权利。 |
| 1008 | It went along the lines of we don't we don't stop playing because we get old, we get old | 它走的路线是,我们不停止玩 因为我们老了,我们老了 |
| 1009 | because we stop playing. | 因为我们不再玩了 |
| 1010 | Yes. | 对 |
| 1011 | And and I think whatever play means to you as you get older, obviously you may not be | 而且我觉得无论玩什么 对你意味着 随着你变老, 显然你可能不是 |
| 1012 | messing around with action figures. | 乱搞动作人物. |
| 1013 | Maybe you are. | 也许你是。 |
| 1014 | But the point is of continuously having play in our lives and being playful and being childlike, | 但重点是继续玩耍 在我们的生活, 玩耍和幼稚, |
| 1015 | not childish. | 一点也不幼稚 |
| 1016 | Yes. | 对 |
| 1017 | And we see a lot of humans. | 我们看到许多人类。 |
| 1018 | We continue to be childish, but not childlike. | 我们继续是幼稚的,但不是幼稚的。 |
| 1019 | Yes. | 对 |
| 1020 | And I think keeping that fresh eyes, looking at things as brand new, living as if every | 我想保持那新眼睛, 看着事物是全新的, 生活就像每一个 |
| 1021 | day is just some new exploration and curiosity that that can stay with us. | 一天只是一些新的探索和好奇心 可以留在我们身边。 |
| 1022 | So I love this, man. | 所以我喜欢这个,伙计。 |
| 1023 | I'm going to ask you my big final five questions. | 我要问你最后五个大问题 |
| 1024 | Let's do it. | 贡举志五种 上. |
| 1025 | These are rapid fire, quick fire answers. | 这些是快速火力,快速火力的答案. |
| 1026 | So I mean, you'd be great at that. | 所以,我的意思是,你会是伟大的。 |
| 1027 | So here we go. | 我们开始吧 |
| 1028 | The first one that I have for you is this is this is probably a slightly trick question, | 我第一个给你的是 这个问题可能有点诡计 |
| 1029 | but I want to know anyway, if you could have one superpower, what would it be? | 但我想知道,如果你能有一个超能力,会是什么? |
| 1030 | Teleportation. | 传送 |
| 1031 | Oh, interesting. | 哦,有趣的是,我们是... |
| 1032 | OK. | 摆 |
| 1033 | Yeah, I just think I think teleportation, it would be a very fun but also probably the | 是的,我只是觉得 电传传输,这将是 一个很好玩的,但也可能是 |
| 1034 | most handy and practical because you can go you can do anything from, you know, going | 最方便和实用 因为你可以去 你可以做任何事情 从,你知道,去 |
| 1035 | on a trip with all of your friends. | 和你的朋友们一起旅行 |
| 1036 | We all know from the lore of comic books that whatever you're touching goes with you with | 我们都从漫画书的传说中知道 无论你感动什么 |
| 1037 | teleportation. | 电传传输。 |
| 1038 | So obviously, as long as you can connect like all your fingers and toes to a bunch of bags | 很明显 只要能像手指和脚趾一样连接到一堆袋子 |
| 1039 | and a bunch of friends and family, then you're all on a vacation together, which would be | 和一群朋友和家人, 然后你们都在一起度假,这将是 |
| 1040 | great. | 伟大的。 |
| 1041 | Or if you're just feeling lazy and you want to zap like from your bed into the bathroom | 或者,如果你只是觉得懒惰, 你想像扎普 从你的床上到浴室 |
| 1042 | and then back again. | 然后再回来 |
| 1043 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 1044 | It's very handy. | 甚为方便. |
| 1045 | Awesome. | 厉害 |
| 1046 | Second question. | 第二问. |
| 1047 | You were saying you're even thinking about building like a communist space. | 你说你甚至想 建设像共产主义空间。 |
| 1048 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1049 | If the world, if your ideal world, ideal community, ideal town or city had a set of ideal values | 如果世界,如果你的理想世界, 理想的社区,理想的城镇或城市 有一套理想的价值观 |
| 1050 | and beliefs and habits, what would those be? | 信仰和习惯,会是什么? |
| 1051 | Well, minimalism, that's one of the things I am a huge proponent of minimalism. | 嗯,最小主义,这是我 最大的支持最小主义。 |
| 1052 | I think that we've all been fed a lie for a really long time, which ties directly into | 我想我们所有人都被骗了很久了, 这直接关系到 |
| 1053 | consumerism and materialism. | 消费主义与唯物主义. |
| 1054 | And I really do believe it's a lie. | 我真的相信这是个谎言 |
| 1055 | We don't need all the things that we think that we need. | 我们不需要所有我们认为我们需要的东西。 |
| 1056 | And we are now owned by what we own. | 而我们现在是属于我们自己的。 |
| 1057 | And that is another thing that's leading us into more mental health issues. | 这是另一件事 引导我们进入更多的心理健康问题。 |
| 1058 | And I want to get back to basics. | 我想回到基础。 |
| 1059 | So it'd be community, it'd be minimalism. | 所以,这将是社区, 这是最小化。 |
| 1060 | It would be love and grace and tolerance and understanding and forgiveness and more | 爱和恩惠 宽容 理解和宽恕 还有更多 |
| 1061 | forgiveness and more forgiveness and more grace, because these are seriously lacking | 宽恕和更多的宽恕和更多的恩惠,因为这些严重缺乏 |
| 1062 | in the world right now, and empathy and more empathy, yeah, and just helping people heal. | 现在的世界,和同情 和更多的同情,是的,只是帮助人们治愈。 |
| 1063 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 1064 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1065 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 1066 | If you could get the world to practice one habit or one tool for 30 days, what would | 如果你能让世界 练习一个习惯或一个工具30天,什么会 |
| 1067 | that have been? | 这已经是? |
| 1068 | Gratitude. | 谢谢 |
| 1069 | Nice. | 不错 |
| 1070 | I like that. | 我喜欢 |
| 1071 | That's awesome. | 这是真棒。 |
| 1072 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1073 | I think that could change a lot too. | 我想那也会改变很多 |
| 1074 | I know it's different for everyone and every place that they're in in their life. | 知一切众生及一切处所不同. |
| 1075 | And I don't expect everyone to have as easy a time being grateful for where you are in | 我并不期望每个人都能轻松地 感谢你的身影 |
| 1076 | ネ | |
| 1077 | But from my own personal experience, to start with that, if you can get there, it helps | 但从我个人的经验来看,首先, 如果你能够到达那里,它帮助 |
| 1078 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}把其他东西放进去 | |
| 1079 | And then it makes a lot of your life a lot easier. | 然后它让你的生活变得轻松多了。 |
| 1080 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 1081 | Question four out of five, what's one big thing you want to learn this year? | 问五分之四,今年欲学一大事,何也? |
| 1082 | Anything you want to learn, something new you want to do? | 你想学的东西, 新的你想做什么? |
| 1083 | At New Year, I was on a trip with a bunch of friends, and on New Year's Eve, we were | 在新年,我和一群朋友一起旅行, 在除夕,我们是 |
| 1084 | all talking about if you could have one word that described your last year, what would | 都说了 如果你能说一个字 描述你最后的一年 |
| 1085 | it be? | 是吗? |
| 1086 | And to be perfectly honest, I think transformation was last year's because it was incredibly | 老实说 我认为去年的转变是因为它令人难以置信 |
| 1087 | transformative time for me. | 对我来说是变革的时刻 |
| 1088 | But then what would be one word for the next year and the word that I chose was patience. | 但接下来的一年会是一个词, 我选择的词就是耐心。 |
| 1089 | And then my friend actually made me this bracelet, which is Morse code that says patience | 然后我的朋友给我做了这个手镯 这是摩斯密码 上面写着耐心 |
| 1090 | on it. | 交给我 |
| 1091 | And I think that's what I want to continue to learn this year because I've always been | 我想这就是我想继续学习 今年,因为我一直 |
| 1092 | a super deep forward thinker of future thinking and I want to go build this film studio and | 一个超深的前瞻性思考家 未来的想法, 我想去建造这个电影制片厂, |
| 1093 | all the things that go with it. | 所有随顺之事. |
| 1094 | And I see it all in my head and I want it now. | 我看到这一切在我的脑海,我想要它现在。 |
| 1095 | I want it to be right now because I want to be enjoying it right now and I want all of | 我希望它现在,因为我想 享受它现在,我想要所有的 |
| 1096 | my friends and family and strangers and everybody to be enjoying it right now. | 我的朋友 家人 陌生人 所有人都喜欢现在的演出 |
| 1097 | And I have to know that it's not up to me. | 我必须知道 这不由我决定 |
| 1098 | This timing is not up to me. | 这个时机不由我决定 |
| 1099 | Your timing of your life is not up to you. | 你人生的时机不由你决定 |
| 1100 | We get to play a part in it and a very significant part in that, but there are so many other | 我们能在其中扮演角色 并且在这方面扮演重要角色 但还有其他许多 |
| 1101 | factors that are going on. | 正在发生的因素。 |
| 1102 | And so I really want to learn to just be more patient in this life. | 所以我真的很想学会在生活中更加耐心。 |
| 1103 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 1104 | And then the final five, fifth question, what's an ideal role or collaboration for you in | 最后五个,第五个问题, 什么是你的理想角色或合作 |
| 1105 | the future? | 未来? |
| 1106 | Something that you'd love to. | 你会喜欢的 |
| 1107 | Man. | 伙计 |
| 1108 | Could be an idea. | 可能是一个想法。 |
| 1109 | Oh, so many. | 哦,这么多。 |
| 1110 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 1111 | I mean, from an acting standpoint, I mean, there's so many directors and other actors | 我的意思是,从演艺角度来说, 有很多导演和其他演员 |
| 1112 | that I would love to work with and, you know, so I don't know, working with Tom Hanks, I | 我很想和汤姆・汉克斯一起工作,所以我不知道,我 |
| 1113 | think would be pretty amazing. | 认为这将是相当惊人的。 |
| 1114 | He's always been my idol, you know, since I was a kid or to that matter, Steven Spielberg, | 他一直是我的偶像,你知道, 从我还是个孩子, 或者说,对于这件事,史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格, |
| 1115 | you know, working for him as a director. | 替他当导演 |
| 1116 | But outside of the acting world, I do want to start recording more music. | 但是在演艺界之外,我想开始录制更多的音乐. |
| 1117 | I don't know with whom or how that's going to work out. | 我不知道和谁在一起 也不知道这是怎么回事 |
| 1118 | And then beyond that, I really do want to somehow figure out how to parlay all of this | 之后,我真的很想 想办法解决这一切 |
| 1119 | stuff into more of a leadership role in helping the world heal. | 在帮助世界痊愈方面 更多的领导力 |
| 1120 | You know, that's the collaboration that I really want to figure out and the trajectory | 你知道,这就是合作,我真的想 找出和轨迹 |
| 1121 | that I really want to figure out. | 我真的很想弄清楚这一点。 |
| 1122 | And again, I'm just going to wait on God and be patient for what that is going to look | 再说一次,我只是在上帝面前等待 并且耐心地等待那将会看到的 |
| 1123 | like. | 喜欢。 |
| 1124 | But we should work on that together. | 但我们应该共同努力。 |
| 1125 | I would love to. | 我很乐意 |
| 1126 | Jay Shetty, we're going to do it. | 杰伊・谢蒂,我们要做到这一点。 |
| 1127 | It's going to happen. | 将至. |
| 1128 | When you say it like that, it feels like it's actually going to happen. | 当你这样说的时候,感觉好像真的要发生了. |
| 1129 | Yeah, man. | 是啊,伙计。 |
| 1130 | I would love that. | 我很乐意 |
| 1131 | No, but thank you, Zach. | 不,但谢谢你,扎克。 |
| 1132 | Like honestly, you like really brought it today. | 老实说,你喜欢今天真的带来 |
| 1133 | Like the energy. | 就像能量一样 |
| 1134 | This man is like, I'm sitting in front of him, he's sweating, literally sweating. | 这个人就像,我坐在他面前, 他的汗,字面上的汗。 |
| 1135 | He's literally given like every ounce of his energy. | 他的精力就像每一盎司一样 |
| 1136 | Partly the coffee. | 部分的咖啡。 |
| 1137 | Yeah, no, he's literally put every ounce of his energy into this podcast. | 是啊,不,他字面上 他把每一盎司的能量 投入到播客。 |
| 1138 | So everyone who's listening, make sure you share this. | ┮–钮杠 )璶蛤弧 |
| 1139 | Make sure you share what you've learned. | 确保分享你学到的 |
| 1140 | Tag Zach, tag me as well on Instagram. | 扎克 也给我印上Instagram的标签 |
| 1141 | I love seeing what people took away. | 我喜欢看人们拿走了什么 |
| 1142 | I love seeing what messages are the ones that really resonate with people. | 我喜欢看到什么信息 是真正与人共鸣。 |
| 1143 | So if you are listening to this right now, make sure you put it out on Instagram. | 所以,如果你正在听这个 现在,确保你把它 出Instagram。 |
| 1144 | Would love to check you out there as well. | 也很想去看看你们 |
| 1145 | Zach, thank you so much for turning up. | Zach 非常感谢你的到来 |
| 1146 | Thank you so much for showing up. | 谢谢你的出现 |
| 1147 | Keep doing what you're doing on Instagram, using it as a platform for service. | 继续在Instagram上做你正在做的事,将其作为服务平台. |
| 1148 | Everything that you're doing. | 一切诸行. |
| 1149 | I'm so excited. | 我太兴奋了 |
| 1150 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1151 | And I'm excited for our new friendship too. | 我也为我们的新友谊感到兴奋 |
| 1152 | Love yourself. | 爱自己。 |
| 1153 | Love others. | 爱他人. |
| 1154 | You are lovable. | 你很可爱 |
| 1155 | You are loved and you are worthy of that love. | 你被爱着 值得你爱 |
| 1156 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 1157 | 这是Zachary Levi,大家。 | |
| 1158 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1159 | You're amazing, man. | 你真厉害 |
| 1160 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1161 | If you want even more videos just like this one, make sure you subscribe and click on | 如果你想要更多的视频 像这样,确保你订阅和点击 |
| 1162 | the boxes over here. | 箱子在这里。 |
| 1163 | I'm also excited to let you know that you can now get my book Think Like a Monk from | 我也很高兴让你知道 你现在可以拿到我的书了 像个僧侣一样 |
| 1164 | (原始内容存档于2017-09-29). Thought likeamonkbook.com. | |
| 1165 | Check below in the description to make sure you order today. | 请检查date=中的日期值 (帮助) 下面的描述可以确保您今天订购. |
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| 0:00 | It's a big statement. The greatest tragedy of mankind is that people hold opinions in their | 具大说法. 人类最大的悲剧是人们在他们的 |
| 0:06 | heads which are wrong that they could so easily stress test, but they're so attached to those | 头是错的,他们可以那么容易 压力测试,但他们是如此的附着这些 |
| 0:14 | opinions that might be wrong. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health and | 可能是错误的意见。 嘿,大家好,欢迎回来 关于目的,头号健康, |
| 0:26 | well-being podcast in the world thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every | 感谢你们每一个回来的人 |
| 0:31 | week to listen, learn and grow and I'm so grateful today because we don't do this often but now and | 一周来聆听,学习和成长 我今天非常感激 因为我们不常这样做 但是现在 |
| 0:38 | again every few years we end up having a guest that comes on twice and this is one that I'm really | 每隔几年,我们就会有一个客人 来两次,这真的是我 |
| 0:45 | really excited about. Now this guest who came on last year completely blew our minds. It was one | 非常兴奋 这个去年来的客人 完全把我们吓坏了 是一个 |
| 0:50 | of our most popular podcasts downloaded last year so you're in for a real treat and today's is even | 去年下载了我们最受欢迎的播客 所以今天的播客都一样 |
| 0:57 | more practical, tactical and useful for you so I know that you're going to get a lot of value from | 更实用,战术和有用 让你知道,你会从很多价值 |
| 1:04 | it. So I want to get your pens out, your pads out, I want you to be taking notes and ready to learn | 这个 所以我想把你的笔,你的垫子拿出来, 我要你做笔记,准备学习 |
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| 1 | It's a big statement. The greatest tragedy of mankind is that people hold opinions in their | 具大说法. 人类最大的悲剧是人们在他们的 |
| 2 | heads which are wrong that they could so easily stress test, but they're so attached to those | 头是错的,他们可以那么容易 压力测试,但他们是如此的附着这些 |
| 3 | opinions that might be wrong. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health and | 可能是错误的意见。 嘿,大家好,欢迎回来 关于目的,头号健康, |
| 4 | well-being podcast in the world thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every | 感谢你们每一个回来的人 |
| 5 | week to listen, learn and grow and I'm so grateful today because we don't do this often but now and | 一周来聆听,学习和成长 我今天非常感激 因为我们不常这样做 但是现在 |
| 6 | again every few years we end up having a guest that comes on twice and this is one that I'm really | 每隔几年,我们就会有一个客人 来两次,这真的是我 |
| 7 | really excited about. Now this guest who came on last year completely blew our minds. It was one | 非常兴奋 这个去年来的客人 完全把我们吓坏了 是一个 |
| 8 | of our most popular podcasts downloaded last year so you're in for a real treat and today's is even | 去年下载了我们最受欢迎的播客 所以今天的播客都一样 |
| 9 | more practical, tactical and useful for you so I know that you're going to get a lot of value from | 更实用,战术和有用 让你知道,你会从很多价值 |
| 10 | it. So I want to get your pens out, your pads out, I want you to be taking notes and ready to learn | 这个 所以我想把你的笔,你的垫子拿出来, 我要你做笔记,准备学习 |
| 11 | 除了雷・达里奥之外 1975年,Ray Dalio成立投资公司Bridgewater Associates | |
| 12 | out of his two-bedroom apartment in New York City. 40 years later Bridgewater has made more | 离开他在纽约的两间卧室公寓 四十年后,布里奇沃特赚得更多 |
| 13 | money for its clients than any other hedge fund in history and grown into the fifth most important | 给客户的钱 比历史上任何其他对冲基金都多 并且成长为第五大 |
| 14 | private company in the United States according to Fortune magazine. Ray himself has been named to | 据"财富"杂志报道,美国的私营公司. 雷本人被命名为 |
| 15 | Time magazine's list of the 100 most influential people in the world. He's the number one New York | "时代杂志"百大影响力人物榜. 他是纽约第一 |
| 16 | Times best-selling author of one of my favorite books Principles and today we will be talking | 时代最畅销的作者 我最喜欢的书之一 原则,今天我们将谈论 |
| 17 | about his new personal discovery tool Principles You which I cannot wait for you to try out and | 他的新个人发现工具 我等不及让你试一试 |
| 18 | we'll be putting the link for you to try it out in the caption and it's built with the insights | 我们会把链接 让你试出来 在标题 和它的构建 与洞察力 |
| 19 | from his unbelievable career and we'll also be talking about his new book The Changing World | 从他难以置信的事业, 我们也会谈论他的新书 "变化的世界" |
| 20 | Order Why Nations Succeed and Fail. Ray thank you so much for doing this I'm so happy to be speaking | 命令为什么国家成功和失败。 Ray 非常感谢你做这些 我很高兴能发言 |
| 21 | with you again. Oh I'm excited to be back they're always good conversations so let's do it. Yeah | 再来一次 哦,我很高兴回来 他们总是很好的谈话,所以让我们做到这一点。 对 |
| 22 | last time we were together in New York City and it's a different set up this time I'm over in LA | 上次我们一起在纽约市 这又是另一个场景 这次我在洛杉矶 |
| 23 | I'm guessing you are in New York still is that right? I'm in Connecticut. Oh you're in Connecticut | 我猜你还是在纽约 对吧? 我在康涅狄格 哦,你在康涅狄格 |
| 24 | okay my home in Connecticut. Absolutely beautiful and today we're diving into this fascinating | 好吧,我在康涅狄格州的家。 绝对漂亮,今天我们跳进这个迷人的地方 |
| 25 | conversation that I'm really excited to have with you because when you first brought this to my | 我很高兴能跟你谈话 因为当你第一次带给我的时候 |
| 26 | attention and your team brought it to my attention and I remember emailing back and forth with your | 注意力和你的团队 把它提请我注意 我记得电子邮件回 与你的 |
| 27 | team and I was just elated because I have found personal discovery tools and personality tests | 团队和我只是因为找到了个人发现工具和个性测试而高兴 |
| 28 | to be so foundational in so much of my career and at times some of the ones that I've done have | 成为如此基础 在我职业生涯的这么多, 有时我做过的一些 |
| 29 | been groundbreaking for me which have just helped me focus in on my true strengths and talents and | 对我来说是开创性的 帮助我专注于我真正的力量和才能 |
| 30 | skills and now as I go on to the next stage in my career and entrepreneurship journey of hiring | 现在当我进入下一个阶段 职业生涯和创业之旅 |
| 31 | people and building my team we're about 50 people across the world right now and as that | 人和建设我的团队 我们约50人 全世界现在 |
| 32 | continues to develop I'm so excited to use this tool for that reason but I want to start off by | 为了这个原因我很高兴能用到这个工具 但我想从头开始 |
| 33 | asking you what was the first tool you ever did and what did it teach you about yourself or what | 问你做的第一个工具是什么 教了你什么 |
| 34 | did you learn about yourself? I'd say it was I don't know 20-25 years ago I was running the company | 你了解你自己吗? 20-25年前我还不知道这家公司 |
| 35 | and I understood that people were different and I got exposure at that time to Myers Briggs and I | 我知道人们是不同的, 我得到暴露 在当时的迈尔斯布里格斯和我 |
| 36 | gave it to the top 150 managers and so we got the test, ripped back, I read the results and | 给前150名经理, 所以我们得到了测试, 撕回,我读了结果 |
| 37 | in many cases I couldn't believe that people actually thought the way that they were described | 在很多情况下,我无法相信 人们真的思考 他们被描述的方式 |
| 38 | that they think and yet they were asked to rate the quality of the rating of them | 他们想,但他们被要求 评级的质量 他们的评级质量 |
| 39 | from one to five and 85% rated at a four or a five that says that that is me | 百分之一到五,百分之八十五的评分为四或五 说那就是我 |
| 40 | so whoa and that prompted conversations what are you like what it what and that changed | 所以,哇,这引发了对话 什么是你喜欢 它是什么,那改变了 |
| 41 | everything it had a big impact the reason was up until though that point people who thought | 这一切产生了很大影响 原因一直存在 直到那时人们认为 |
| 42 | differently than each other often got frustrated with each other you know the big picture thinker | 和彼此不同 经常对彼此感到沮丧 你知道大局的思考者 |
| 43 | dealing with the person who paid attention to details would get frustrated they'd say you know | 和关注细节的人打交道会很沮丧 他们会说你知道 |
| 44 | what are you going up in the details and the detail person speaking with the big picture | 你在细节和细节上 与大局说话的人是什么 |
| 45 | thinker would say your head's in the clouds you know and what we began to realize when we started | 思想家会说,你的头在云中 你知道,我们开始意识到 |
| 46 | to correlate that data with job performance is that people excelled in different types of jobs | 将这一数据与工作业绩挂钩的是,在不同类型的工作中表现突出的人 |
| 47 | depending on what they needed what they were like and also we were able to put them together | 取决于他们需要什么 他们是什么样子,我们也能够把它们组合在一起 |
| 48 | to work well together they began to appreciate the differences understand the differences | 他们开始理解差异 理解差异 |
| 49 | and build from there so that got me hooked it was much more valuable than resumes I'm not saying | 从那里开始建造,让我迷上了它 比简历更有价值 |
| 50 | resumes aren't but it was helpful for their development for and for us for placing them | 简历不是,但有助于他们的发展 和我们放置它们 |
| 51 | and I'd say that was about 20 or 25 years ago yeah that's that's incredible and I love hearing | 我会说那是大约20或25年前的事 是的,这是不可思议的,我喜欢听 |
| 52 | that it's it's been the same for me I found that you know as you dive into these understandings | 我发现,当你潜入这些理解中时,你知道 |
| 53 | you realize people communicate differently people deal with conflict differently people | 你意识到人们的沟通方式不同 人们处理冲突的方式不同 |
| 54 | connect and create rapport differently and that's what these tools are so great at showing us that | 联系和创造不同的关系 这就是这些工具 如此棒的向我们展示 |
| 55 | actually ideal teams and good teams have people of all different types of thinking absolutely | 其实理想的团队和优秀的团队 都有各种类型的思维 |
| 56 | and then beyond that well like you took the test other people took the test and they understand now | 之后就像你接受了测试 其他人接受了测试 他们现在明白了 |
| 57 | where they are in the population distribution because they even when they understand what they | 在人口分布中,即使他们了解自己 |
| 58 | how they think often they don't fully understand it but even when they do they don't know the | 他们常常觉得自己不完全理解 但即使这样 他们也不知道 |
| 59 | weaknesses and how to deal with the weaknesses and they don't know how to deal with each other | 弱点和如何应对弱点 他们不知道如何应对彼此 |
| 60 | so what we found is when we we could take a picture we have diagrams that represent how | 所以,我们发现的是, 当我们可以拍照时, 我们有图表 代表如何 |
| 61 | somebody is in different dimensions and when we overlay that on top of another diagram of another | 有人在不同的维度 当我们在另一幅图的顶部 |
| 62 | person we know how they're going to interact we know what the issues will be and we can then build | 人,我们知道他们如何互动 我们知道问题会是什么 然后我们可以建立 |
| 63 | on that so yeah I mean it's it's like you I don't know how long it took you to take it maybe 40 | 所以,是的,我是说,它就像你 我不知道它花了多久 你花了它也许40 |
| 64 | minutes or something I don't know that's what most people take and then boom they get it so | 几分钟什么的,我不知道 这是大多数人需要的,然后砰他们得到它这样 |
| 65 | yeah it's invaluable yeah absolutely and you've already shared with everyone I wanted to tell | 是啊,这是宝贵的 是的,绝对的, 你已经分享了每一个人 我想告诉 |
| 66 | everyone I have done the test so I will be sharing my results so I want you to keep listening to this | 所有我做过测试的人,我都会分享我的结果 我要你继续听这个 |
| 67 | podcast if you're listening or watching right now I will be sharing a few insights from the test | 播客,如果你现在在听或者看 我将分享一些从测试中的见解 |
| 68 | from my own reflection and reflecting on it with Ray so that's going to be really fascinating so | 从我自己的反射 并思考它与雷, 所以这将是真的迷人的,所以 |
| 69 | stick around for that but Ray I wanted to ask you how do you start building a tool like this because | 坚持住,但雷,我想问你 你怎么开始造这样的工具,因为 |
| 70 | it's it's very difficult and as you've seen over the you know the last 25 years since you've been | 这是非常困难的, 正如你所看到的 过去25年,你一直 |
| 71 | exposed to this learning building you've been hiring building teams how do you go about actually | 暴露在这栋学习楼里 你一直在雇用建筑团队 如何去实际上 |
| 72 | building a tool like this to make it as accurate as possible in a way that you're really proud of | 以你为荣的方式 尽可能准确 |
| 73 | taking out to the world right now well we we started then I wanted some other tests | 我们开始的时候 我想做一些其他测试 |
| 74 | and they would give me different dimensions of about a person so I wanted those different | 他们会给我不同的层面 关于一个人 所以我想要这些不同的 |
| 75 | dimensions and then we would use that data to compare with how they were performing in | 然后我们用这些数据来比较它们是如何在 |
| 76 | different types of jobs and we're going to get into the dot collector later but that'll be an | 不同类型的工作,我们会进入 点集器以后,但这将是一个 |
| 77 | example and so we were we found it very valuable and then naturally I was working with psychometricians | 举个例子,我们发现它非常宝贵 然后我自然地和精神测量师合作 |
| 78 | about this partially to understand it and then partially to build it and what I decided to do | 这部分是为了理解它 然后部分是为了建造它 我决定做什么 |
| 79 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}是建造一个测试 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}其他测试中所有的测试 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}再加上一些 | |
| 80 | and so I brought on these three psychometricians who were fabulous and we discussed just built the | 于是我请来了这三位精神测量学家 他们非常棒,我们讨论 刚刚建立了 |
| 81 | test and I'm now at a stage of my life that I'm passing along the things that have been valuable | 测试和我现在处于一个阶段 我传递的东西 一直有价值的 |
| 82 | so I'm passing it along to people for free so that they could take it and benefit from it | 所以我免费把它传给人们 这样他们就能从中得益 |
| 83 | before we share my results and get into my insights I'd love to hear your advice | 在我们分享我的成果 了解我的见解之前 我想听听你的建议 |
| 84 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}因为我发现 | |
| 85 | people when they're faced with questionnaires like this they either overthink it they answer too | 当人们面对这样的问卷时 他们要么过度思考 要么也回答 |
| 86 | quickly sometimes they aren't self-aware enough to really put the best answer out there how do you | 很快,有时他们还不够自我意识 来给出最好的答案 你怎么做到的 |
| 87 | answer this in the most authentic accurate way so that it actually helps you with self-awareness | 以最真实的准确方式回答这个问题,以便它能帮助你自我认识 |
| 88 | and understanding pretty much just relax and and do it naturally whatever feels right we haven't | 和理解 几乎只是放松 并自然地做 任何我们感觉不对 |
| 89 | had much of a problem with people getting to getting either anxious or even trying to manipulate | 有很多问题 人们变得焦虑 甚至试图操纵 |
| 90 | it or anything but if you just answer the questions in the best possible way don't worry | 它或任何东西,但如果你只是回答 问题的最佳方式,不用担心 |
| 91 | about perfectionism there are a number of questions that get at the same basic idea | 关于完美主义,有很多问题 得到相同的基本想法 |
| 92 | and so there's some triangulation you know just go with it and have a good time with it most people | 所以,有一些三角形 你知道只是去 并有一个好的时间与它大多数人 |
| 93 | have a good time with it that's great yeah no I found that sometimes some of these tests people | 玩得开心点 棒极了 没有 我发现有时候这些测试的人 |
| 94 | are writing down what they think they are versus what they do in reality and there's that discrepancy | 写下他们认为自己在现实中是做什么的 也有这种差异 |
| 95 | of like how we think we think or how we think we behave but actually when we look at our actions | 就像我们如何思考 或者我们如何思考 我们的行为,但实际上 当我们看我们的行动 |
| 96 | they suggest otherwise so I think just like it'll ask you the equivalent of do you like | 他们建议别这么做 所以我想这就像它会问你 你喜欢什么一样 |
| 97 | chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream just don't think about it too much just you know what | 巧克力冰激凌或香草冰激凌 只是不要考虑太多 只是你知道什么 |
| 98 | do you like yeah you know that's that's pretty much it that's that's a good analogy I like that | 你喜欢是的,你知道,这是 几乎它是一个很好的类比,我喜欢 |
| 99 | one and what's your hope for people like you said earlier and we're going to talk about this later | 一,你对人们的希望是什么 就像你刚才说的,我们以后再谈这个 |
| 100 | about how you're at a stage in your career where you're passing things on that you've learned what | 关于你是如何处于你职业生涯的一个阶段 在那里你传递的东西 你学到了什么 |
| 101 | is your biggest intention and hope that when someone uses this what are you wanting them to | 你最大的意图和希望 当有人使用这个 你想要什么 |
| 102 | get out of it first of all discovering of themselves and then the discovery of the | 先从中解脱 然后发现自己 |
| 103 | difference in people and the relationships they have with other people to make those relationships | 不同的人和他们与其他人的关系 来创造这些关系 |
| 104 | better work better so personal discovery will help them they'll know what they have and what | 更好的工作 所以个人的发现会帮助他们 知道他们有什么和什么 |
| 105 | they're missing and by knowing what they're missing they'll be able to supplement it and be | 他们失踪了 通过知道他们失踪了什么 他们就能补充和成为 |
| 106 | more successful and then in the relationships with others those things that might be confusing or | 更成功,然后在与他人的关系中 那些可能令人困惑的东西,或者 |
| 107 | frustrating can be turned into being efficient so it's great that's what I hope that's what I hope | 沮丧可以变成有效率 所以这是伟大的,我希望 |
| 108 | to give people that's a great hope you said to me earlier I think before we started recording | 给人们一个伟大的希望 你早些时候对我说,我想 在我们开始录音之前 |
| 109 | that you had your wife do it does it help in marriage and relationships too is it something | 你让妻子做 这对婚姻和感情也有帮助 |
| 110 | we can apply to dating and should be people using it in those relationships absolutely and it also | 我们可以申请约会, 应该是人们使用它 在这些关系中绝对的,它也 |
| 111 | helps you you know know how to talk about it there was a test out there after we did this | 帮助你知道如何谈论它 我们做了这个之后,有一个测试在那里 |
| 112 | that one of my daughter-in-law's had us do over a holiday and it we don't use it some part of this | 我一个儿媳妇让我们渡假 而我们却不用这个 |
| 113 | test but it was an example it was the five types of love yes okay you know the test yeah and that | 测试,但这是一个例子 它是五种类型的爱 是的,你知道测试 是的, |
| 114 | was a good example you know how you speak and interact and what the other is looking for | 是一个很好的例子,你知道 你如何说话和互动, 以及对方正在寻找什么 |
| 115 | is very very helpful very valuable right you know it's 40 minutes this isn't like a big commitment | 非常有帮助,非常有价值 你知道已经40分钟了 这不是一个大的承诺 |
| 116 | so so people have also had a lot of fun with it because when they take theirs and they overlap | 所以人们也乐在其中 因为当他们拿起他们的,他们重叠 |
| 117 | the others on it and the group this is what what I gave you and what your listeners are going to be | 上面的其他人和小组 这就是我给你的, 你的听众会是什么 |
| 118 | able to take is a beta version of it which doesn't yet have all of the interactions with others yet | 能够接受的是一个Beta版本 它还没有与其他人的所有互动 |
| 119 | built out we'll have that and if they leave their names when we have that other feature we'll get it | 建造出来,我们会有它, 如果他们离开他们的名字 当我们有另一个特征,我们会得到它 |
| 120 | to them but we're we're operating that way and it's fun people laugh because it we had a group | 对他们来说,但我们是那样操作的 人们笑起来很有趣,因为我们有一个团体 |
| 121 | session with family and you know I have four sons four daughter-in-laws and and so on and everybody | 和家人见面 你知道我有四个儿子 四个儿媳妇等等 |
| 122 | it was funny because it said oh that's right that's how it works and that's why it works | 这很有趣,因为它说 哦,这是正确的 如何工作,这就是为什么它工作 |
| 123 | in that relationship so they could be fun as well as insightful yeah you you mentioned to me last | 在那段感情里 让他们既有趣又有洞察力 |
| 124 | week when we were catching up about this that you even sent it to Elon Musk and Bill Gates tell us | 一周,我们追上这个 你甚至寄给伊隆・穆斯克 比尔・盖茨告诉我们 |
| 125 | tell us about some of the things that surprised them or something that you want to share about | 告诉我们一些让他们惊讶的东西 或者你想要分享的东西 |
| 126 | those reflections that were useful and impactful for you well I wanted to get the profiles of a | 那些对你有益和有影响的思考... ...我想得到一个... |
| 127 | certain type of person a shaper in other words someone who was great at visualization | 某些类型的人 一个造型器 换句话说,一个擅长视觉的人 |
| 128 | and then built it out to actualization so like Elon Musk has done or Bill Gates has done or | 然后把它建到实际化 就像伊隆·穆斯克做的 或者比尔·盖茨做的 |
| 129 | you know many people I can rattle off but very very the most successful and I wanted to get that | 你知道有很多人我可以惊慌失措 但非常成功 我想得到这个 |
| 130 | because I wanted to hire one of those so what is the pattern of the preferences shapers I call them | 因为我想雇用其中之一 所以什么模式的偏好形状 我称之为他们 |
| 131 | what is the pattern of the those types of people I wanted that DNA basically and that's what | 这些类型的人的规律是什么 我想要的DNA 基本上,这就是什么 |
| 132 | that's what I got so there are all these different personality types but that shaper | 这就是我得到的,所以所有这些 不同的个性类型 但那个形状器 |
| 133 | has distinctive qualities that only a small percentage of the population has it | 具有独特的特质,只有一小部分人口拥有这种特质; |
| 134 | but almost everyone who is doing that kind of thing you know visualizing a business or and | 但几乎每个做这种事情的人 你知道可以想象一个生意或者 |
| 135 | I did it also for Mohammed Yunus who won the Nobel Peace Prize for microfinance | 我也是为了Mohammed Yunus 获得诺贝尔微额贷款和平奖 |
| 136 | I did it for Jeffrey Canada who is Harlem Children's Zone built this fabulous institution | 我这样做是为了杰弗里 加拿大谁是哈林儿童区 建造了这个美妙的机构 |
| 137 | for dealing with poverty the patterns are clear there's a lot of different personality | 处理贫穷的规律很明显 有很多不同的个性 |
| 138 | archetypes in your world so you have creators enthusiasts influences givers organizers leaders | 在你的世界里,有造物主的爱好者 影响给人组织者的领导 |
| 139 | fighters growth seekers thinkers so anyone who does this test you're going to find that and | 寻求成长的战士 思考,所以任何人 谁做这个测试 你会发现, |
| 140 | what I found most fascinating was when you start going inside of your what you call the cognitive | 我发现最迷人的是 当你开始进入你所谓的认知 |
| 141 | orientation so if you don't mind let's take a deep dive in some of my results that came out from the | 所以,如果你不介意的话,让我们深入 潜入我的一些结果 出自于 |
| 142 | test if that sounds like a good idea for you Ray right now and and you can guide me through this | 测试一下,如果这听起来像 一个好主意你现在 雷,你可以 引导我通过这个 |
| 143 | and this is you know I consider myself very fortunate first of all to be doing this with | 这是你知道的 我认为自己非常幸运 首先做这个与 |
| 144 | you personally so I don't take this for granted this is like you know sitting down with the sage | 你个人 所以我不认为这是理所当然的 这就像你知道的坐在 与贤者 |
| 145 | and the guru and the mentor and to to be guided personally through this so when I look at my | 以及导师和导师, 并亲自引导 通过这一点 当我看着我 |
| 146 | interpersonal orientation so this is my sorry this is my cognitive orientation how you prefer | 人际定向,所以我很遗憾 这是我的认知定向,你喜欢什么 |
| 147 | to think so my creative is 99 it's very high I'm guessing that's a good thing for what I do | 认为我的创造力是99 它非常高 我猜这是好事 |
| 148 | you've pursued what you're like right and a creator is not better than anything else | 你追求你的权利 创造者并不比其他任何事物更好 |
| 149 | other than creating you know so it may be the opposite of somebody who wants to be really | 除了创造,你知道, 所以它可能是相反的人 谁想成为真正的 |
| 150 | reliable meticulous and is really rule following which can be fabulous for certain jobs you want | 可靠的细心 遵循的规则对您想要的某些工作来说是惊人的 |
| 151 | those people in certain jobs so yes that's your inclination you like to let your mind go wild | 那些做某些工作的人,是的,这就是你喜欢的 让你的头脑发疯 |
| 152 | and you you want to have great imagination and you like creating okay the act of creating | 你想拥有巨大的想象力,你喜欢创造... ... |
| 153 | and that feels true to you so think of it almost like the food you like to eat it's not that you | 感觉你是对的 所以想起来就像你喜欢吃的食物 |
| 154 | know if you ate Italian food or Chinese food or Indian food or something it's not better it just | 如果你吃了意大利菜或者中国菜 或者印度菜或者别的什么 也好不到哪去 |
| 155 | is a strong preference yeah absolutely and I and I would have to fully agree with that assessment | 我和我会完全同意你的看法 |
| 156 | I definitely I consider myself someone who deeply is an artist and a creative at heart | 我绝对认为自己是一个 深为艺术家和创造力的人 |
| 157 | but has had to develop entrepreneurial skills to be able to spread that message if that makes sense | 但必须培养创业技能,才能传播这一信息,如果这有道理的话 |
| 158 | that comes across in the other dimensions of your test because in many cases there are these | 在你的测试的其他方面,因为 在许多情况下,有这些 |
| 159 | creators who don't accomplish anything and sometimes they just don't have a sense of | 创造者什么也做不出来 有时他们只是没有感觉 |
| 160 | the practicality all that's necessary to be as creative as they can or to accomplish as | 尽可能发挥创造力或达到 |
| 161 | much as they can so it's in the mix absolutely and that's why I found when I look at analytical here | 所以这绝对是混合的 所以我才在分析的时候发现了 |
| 162 | it says you tend to be methodical and process oriented with the tendency to rely on personal | 它说,你倾向于有条理和过程导向 倾向依赖个人 |
| 163 | instinct when reaching decisions and making choices so my analytical is 60% which I love that it was | 做决定和做选择时的本能 所以我的分析是60% 我喜欢的是 |
| 164 | able to be so specific because I really do trust my intuition in in decision making and I and I | 因为我真的相信我的直觉 在决策,我和我 |
| 165 | consider myself to be an insight intuition person so I like to look at the data but I like to make | 认为自己是个有洞察力的人 所以我喜欢看数据 但我喜欢做 |
| 166 | a decision based on my intuition not based on the data alone well you can hear how that sentence | 依据我的直觉作出的决定 并非仅凭数据 你就能听到这句话 |
| 167 | that it gave you um is so clear because and that your rating is at 60% is so clear | 它给了你,嗯是如此清楚 因为你的评级是60%是如此清楚 |
| 168 | because what it's describing is that you are an analytical person right you like to do that | 因为它的描述是 你是一个分析的人 你喜欢这样做 |
| 169 | but unlike a person who is totally analytical who may not then deal with that other dimension that | 但与一个完全具有分析能力的人不同,他可能不处理另一个方面,即: |
| 170 | is part of you that is that other 40% you have that other 40% if you were to see that go all | 是你们的一部分,是另外40% 你拥有另外40% 如果你看到这一切 |
| 171 | the way over to that scale and you wouldn't have that other 40% it's a different type of analytical | 到那个尺度,你就不会有 40%是另一种分析 |
| 172 | you know what you understand what I mean yeah absolutely you wouldn't have that intuition | 你明白我的意思吗 是的 你绝对不会有那种直觉 |
| 173 | you wouldn't have that subliminal gut intuition element as much you would be just purely | 你不会有潜意识的直觉元素 就像你只是纯粹的 |
| 174 | calculating and how much do you think ray like at this I'd love to hear your perspective on this | 算计 以及你认为射线像什么 我很想听到你的观点 |
| 175 | having had you know such an incredible career and having seen this over and over again how much do | 曾经有你 如此令人难以置信的职业生涯 并一遍又一遍地看到这一点 |
| 176 | you think some of these things do need to be developed or don't so for example let's say my | 你觉得这些东西中有些的确需要开发,或者没有,比如说,我 |
| 177 | score was like a 10% on analytical would you be encouraging me to raise my analytical to be more | 得分就像分析的10% 你会鼓励我提高分析能力 |
| 178 | successful or let's say it was 100% analytical would you be encouraging someone to develop | 成功,或者说是百分之百的分析... ...你会鼓励别人发展 |
| 179 | intuition or is that not how this works explain to us how you see that work successfully there | 直觉,或者说这不是 如何工作 向我们解释你是如何看 工作成功在那里 |
| 180 | are two ways to be successful to acquire all of the skills and abilities to be successful | 是成功获得所有技能和能力取得成功的两种方法。 |
| 181 | that's the tough way or to work with people who have those things that you are missing | 和那些你失踪的人合作 |
| 182 | and work with them well and that's the easy most effective way so yes we could try to change you | 和他们合作良好, 这是最容易最有效的方法 所以,是的,我们可以尝试改变你 |
| 183 | the difference is you can move and by the equivalent if you work hard at it by about | 不同的是,你可以移动 和等效的,如果你努力工作 |
| 184 | one standard deviation of the population in other words yes if you work hard at it you can become | 换句话说,如果你努力工作,你就能成为 |
| 185 | more and more analytical you practice you exercise it and so on you're to use that example that | 越多的分析,你练习 锻炼它,等等 你用这个例子 |
| 186 | you're using but you're you have to work on it you'll change some and so on and generally | 你正在使用,但你必须工作 它,你会改变一些,等等,一般 |
| 187 | just realize like you don't need to have it all right and if you have a complementary relationship | 只是意识到,你不需要 拥有所有的权利 如果你有一个互补的关系 |
| 188 | you're helping somebody who needs you and that's usually the best way to do it another one that | 你在帮助一个需要你的人 这通常是最好的方法 |
| 189 | i'm looking at here is i'm just picking out some fun ones that i like so conceptual it says you | 我在这里看,我只是挑出一些有趣的, 我喜欢这样的概念 它说你 |
| 190 | have a preference to think abstractly and philosophically using theories and models to | 更喜欢抽象和哲学的思考 运用理论和模型 |
| 191 | solve problems that is very me and it says 93 very high i couldn't agree with that more i | 解决我的问题,它说93非常高 我不同意更多。 |
| 192 | love philosophize my my greatest joy in life comes from two statements so the first statement | 爱情将我人生中最大的快乐 来自于两个陈述 所以第一个陈述 |
| 193 | is by evan pavlov and he said if you want a new idea read an old book so i i really believe that | 是伊凡·巴甫洛夫写的 他说如果你想读一本旧书 |
| 194 | i love going into timeless texts and unearthing truths and then the second statement that kind | 我喜欢写无时无刻的文字 和揭开真相 以及第二次那样的声明 |
| 195 | of defines my work is by einstein where he said that if you can't explain something simply you | 定义我的工作是通过爱因斯坦 他说,如果你不能 解释的东西 简单的你 |
| 196 | don't understand it well enough and so for me i like to try and find something that is really | 不够明白,所以对我来说,我喜欢尝试 找到一些真正 |
| 197 | complex or intricate and detailed from the past and try and really extrapolate the essence from | 复杂或复杂 详细 从过去,尝试 并真正推断 本质从 |
| 198 | it so that i can share with people that's kind of where i get my joy and buzz in life i can hear | 这样我就能和别人分享 那种我能得到快乐和欢乐的生活 |
| 199 | that in you i can empathize with you by the way because my mine is quite similar my testing and | 顺便说一句,在你身上,我可以同情你 因为我的矿井很相似 我的测试, |
| 200 | my inclinations are quite different quite similar to that and then and you could hear that passion | 我的想法和那很不一样 然后你就能听到激情 |
| 201 | and we can feel the passion and then we also have to understand that there are other people | 我们可以感受到激情,然后我们也必须理解 还有其他人 |
| 202 | who are exactly the opposite and get their passion from something different | 他们完全相反 从不同的事物中获得他们的激情 |
| 203 | yeah no absolutely and and and there's yeah i've also met people you're right completely the | 是啊,没有绝对的,有的,是啊,我也见过的人 你完全是正确的 |
| 204 | opposite who actually love making things more complicated and intricate and mystical yes you | 相反,谁真正喜欢 使事情更复杂 复杂和神秘 是的,你 |
| 205 | could see where people go in a conversation you will see do they go down to the detail | 可以看到人们在谈话中去的地方, 你会看到他们去到细节 |
| 206 | and can they separate the detail do they want the detail when they want the big picture | 他们能把细节分开吗 当他们想要大局时 他们想要细节 |
| 207 | psychologists also call that helicoptering you know there everything has different levels like | 心理学家也叫直升机 你知道那里的一切 都有不同的水平 比如 |
| 208 | google maps it's equivalent conceptually of google maps so if you go up and you're looking down the | Google地图在概念上相当于Google地图,所以如果你往上看,往下看 |
| 209 | picture is totally different from that level and then you go down into it so people are either | 照片和那层完全不同 然后你就下去 所以人们要么 |
| 210 | inclined to be in one level or another or some can navigate from the detail to the big picture | 倾向于在一个或另一个级别上,或者有些能从细节到大局的导航 |
| 211 | to the detail like when elon musk gave me uh he gave me his car to drive this one this was | 就像Elon 麝香给我时 他给了我他的车来开这个 |
| 212 | way back when it sort of first came out um and um he was able to navigate it showed it up in his | 早在他第一次出来的时候,嗯, 他能够导航它,显示它在他的 |
| 213 | testing and everything so he would pay um to tremendous attention to detail he showed me | 测试和一切 所以他非常注意细节 |
| 214 | then the car and how uh the button and you push this and the trunk opens and this does this and | 然后车,嗯,按钮,你按着这个, 和后备箱打开,这个做这个, |
| 215 | and so he was like a jeweler with a piece of jewelry in terms of that design the detail | 所以他就像个珠宝商 带着珠宝 设计细节 |
| 216 | and then he goes back to the big picture and we were talking about like uh going to mars and | 然后他回到了大局 我们谈论的像呃去马尔斯和 |
| 217 | humanity over a period of time he was able to navigate both of those that's a rare occasion | 人类在一段时期里 他能够驾驭这两个难得的机会 |
| 218 | by the way because people don't always uh but there are those different levels and you can | 顺便说一句,因为人们并不总是 嗯,但有 这些不同的级别,你可以 |
| 219 | see in the conversation where people tend to gravitate to absolutely and and what you're | 在谈话中人们倾向于 引力绝对,和你是什么 |
| 220 | saying is if someone is actually using this tool in their company or in their family or in their | 说,如果有人在他们的公司、家人或他们的 |
| 221 | teams then actually they don't just have to rely on reading people and what they're saying and | 团队其实不只靠阅读 和他们说什么 |
| 222 | hearing they can actually have a framework that supports that where they can find the parallels | 听到他们实际上可以有一个框架 支持他们在那里可以找到平行点 |
| 223 | yeah so we connected to the dot collector for example um yeah put those profiles on and then | 是啊,所以我们连接了点集器 例如,嗯,是的,把那些简介 然后 |
| 224 | they when they're interacting then they're aware of those profiles and it helps yeah i saw that | 当他们互动时,他们意识到这些简介, 这有帮助 是的,我看到了 |
| 225 | great video you made uh on youtube about the dot collector which i highly recommend everyone goes | 在YouTube上你拍的关于点数收集器的精彩视频 我强烈推荐大家去 |
| 226 | and watches as well uh if it's available to the public uh but that video really explained it well | 还有看,呃,如果它可供公众使用 嗯,但那个视频 真正解释了它 |
| 227 | and what i found fascinating about the dot collector let's talk about it seeing as you | 我发现点收藏家的魅力 让我们来谈谈你 |
| 228 | mentioned it there is we're spending all of our days on zoom right now every single one of us | 提到过,我们整天在放大,现在我们每个人 |
| 229 | even us doing this interview right now and you were talking about just how there's so many people | 甚至我们做这个采访 现在,你正在谈论 有多少人 |
| 230 | who have so much to say who are not necessarily even the people speaking at that moment in time | 他们有太多话要说 他们不一定就是那个时候的人 |
| 231 | there are so many notes being missed there's so many in between the line messages that are lost | 有这么多的音符被错过 有很多在行间 消息丢失 |
| 232 | in communication and you've created this software to be able to actually capture all of that and | 在通讯中,你创建了这个软件 能够真正地捕捉到所有和 |
| 233 | then share that data in a way that's practical and applicable and actionable yeah um i'll give | 然后以实用、可适用和可操作的方式分享数据 |
| 234 | you a little background yeah i um i created it in bridgewater so um i it what people will see it | 你是一个小背景 是的,嗯,我创造了它 在桥水,所以嗯,我是什么 人们会看到它 |
| 235 | uh to take a it allows people to express what they're thinking um about people about what | 嗯,用它可以让人们表达 他们的想法,嗯,关于什么 |
| 236 | they're thinking on an ongoing basis um and then it allows questions and answers to go back because | 他们一直在思考,嗯, 然后它允许问答 回到因为 |
| 237 | what bothered me was only the people who could talk could i get the ideas from and so there's a | 我最烦的是那些能说话的人 我能从他们那里得到想法 |
| 238 | big bottleneck and also i wanted an idea meritocracy everybody to be able to speak up and i wanted | 我也希望大家能说出自己的想法 |
| 239 | everybody's thoughts so that was that and i also like the test wanted to collect the data so that | 每个人的想法是这样的 我也喜欢测试 想要收集数据 |
| 240 | with that data they could on a day-to-day basis see how they're what they're thinking the data | 有了这些数据,他们可以每天看到 他们是如何思考数据 |
| 241 | is collected so they know how they think again and also it's been fantastic for daily 360 reviews | 被收集,让他们知道如何 他们再次思考, 和它已经是美妙的 每日360评论 |
| 242 | because everybody is working with their um with others and they're getting essentially a 360 | 因为每个人都和他们一起工作 他们基本上得到360 |
| 243 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}同时审查一下 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这样你就不会等到年底才得到反馈 | |
| 244 | that on an ongoing basis now at this stage of my life one of the things i'm doing is trying to help | 在目前我生命的这个阶段 我所做的一件事就是帮助 |
| 245 | others um who are running companies and so on so um eric you want who uh runs zoom and his team runs | 其他人,谁经营公司等等 所以,嗯,埃里克... ...你想要谁... |
| 246 | zoom he he started it he's running it um he asked us all to help and uh because it had such a big | 放大他启动它,他运行它... ...他要求我们所有人帮助,呃,因为它有这么大 |
| 247 | effect on them he's having it integrated into zoom so we expect in january when you go on | 对他们的影响,他把它整合到缩放中, 所以我们期望在january,当你继续 |
| 248 | zoom call like this they'll be attached to it um this dot collector and it'll allow people to | 像这样放大呼叫,他们会被附着在它上 这个点集器可以让人们 |
| 249 | do what i've just described yeah that's awesome i love hearing that that's brilliant i i think we | 照我说的做 棒极了 我喜欢听 |
| 250 | need to make our technology far smarter and it's great to see you adapting so quickly to bringing | 需要让我们的技术更聪明 很高兴看到你这么快就适应了 |
| 251 | something out like that that's going to help teams function because i'm doing so many corporate | 像这样的东西会帮助团队运作 因为我做这么多的公司 |
| 252 | events right now i speak at potentially nearly a company a day at the moment because of the | 现在的事件,我现在在可能 几乎一天的公司说话,因为 |
| 253 | challenges that people are having with their mental well-being their stress levels their | 面对人们在心理健康方面面临的挑战 |
| 254 | disconnectedness lack of engagement of working from home and and i think this tool is one of | 我觉得这个工具是 |
| 255 | those that can really act as a huge solution right now at least the right direction to give an example | 那些真正能够起到巨大作用的解决方案 现在至少 正确的方向给出一个实例 |
| 256 | like you go in you have a conversation like this and there's a group conversation and you go away | 碞钩秈妓 碞钩硂妓册册 碞钩琌舱册册 |
| 257 | and you go on to the next thing and nothing is saved and you don't know what everybody's thinking | 你继续做下一个事情,什么也救不了 你不知道每个人在想什么 |
| 258 | okay that's the way it normally is absolutely that's no good okay just imagine everything is | 好吧,这是正常的方式 这是绝对的,这是不好的 好吧,只是想象的一切是 |
| 259 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}可以想象一下 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你可以把会议总结一下 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}然后通过 | |
| 260 | it to somebody and they could hear whatever they want to in that meeting and and and okay that | 对某人来说,他们可以听到任何 他们想在那个会议上,和和好 |
| 261 | changes things so for example um one one of the ceos in a big company who's running it we did the | 改变事情,比如说,嗯 一个大公司的头盔谁经营它,我们做了 |
| 262 | same thing with him then afterwards we took the printout of what was what happened in that meeting | 和他一样,然后我们打印出 发生了什么事 在会议上 |
| 263 | and then we went through that point by point and we discussed that and then it's data that goes in | 然后我们逐点经过,我们讨论了这一点 然后数据进入 |
| 264 | data is powerful you know yeah but some people get a little bit nervous about it and so on it gets a | 数据是强大的,你知道是的 但有些人会有点紧张 所以它得到一个 |
| 265 | little you got to get a little um used to it um because as you know about psychology we were | 你有点习惯了 因为你知道心理学 |
| 266 | talking about this before uh in every person there are two u's right there's the upper level u which | 每个人在谈论这个之前 都有两个U的右上层的u |
| 267 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}有意识的u是... {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你可能合乎逻辑 | |
| 268 | the subliminal u which you actually don't get to see it's it's not conscious to you | 其实你看不到的潜意识的u 对你来说是没有意识的 |
| 269 | and it has its own inclinations and it's emotional or maybe inspiration things that come from the | 它有它自己的倾向 它的情感或也许 灵感的东西来自 |
| 270 | subconscious and all of those things are operating to determine your behavior and so by being able to | 潜意识和所有这些东西 正在运行来决定你的行为, 从而能够 |
| 271 | take your analytical u and to then collect the data and use that so sometimes people have emotional | 带上你的分析u 然后收集数据 并使用 |
| 272 | barriers not not that it's logical um almost everybody who looks at this uh these things | 障碍不是逻辑上的 几乎每个人都看这些东西 |
| 273 | find some very logical but it might get a little bit of used to okay can you be can you give | 找到一些非常合乎逻辑的,但它可能会 得到一点点习惯好 你可以是你可以给 |
| 274 | somebody critical feedback how do you react to critical feedback do you want facts this is | 有人批评反馈 你怎么回应批评反馈 你想要的事实是: |
| 275 | another dimension we were talking about this the last time we talked do you want to know what's true | 我们上次谈话时谈到的另一个维度 你想知道什么是真实的吗? |
| 276 | can you talk about what's true these are other dimensions to it so the potential we're living in | 你能谈谈什么是真实的 这些是其他维度,所以我们生活在潜在的 |
| 277 | a world now in which there's an op an opportunity to know what's true evidence-based through data | 一个现在的世界,有一个行动的机会 通过数据来了解什么是真正的证据 |
| 278 | okay yeah do you want to know what's true if you know what's true it's a foundation for making | 好吧,是的,你想知道什么是真实 如果你知道什么是真实的 它是一个基础制造 |
| 279 | great improvements but some people do you want to know what your weaknesses are there's a power from | 有很大的改进 但有些人你想知道 你的弱点是什么 |
| 280 | knowing what your weaknesses are of course you want to but you have to get yourself into also | 知道你的弱点是什么 你当然想 但你也必须让自己进入 |
| 281 | that psychological state too so they work together like i found the reason my company | 心理状态也一样 所以他们一起工作 就像我发现我公司的原因 |
| 282 | went from nothing to quite something as you point out the fortune said the fifth most important | 就像你说的 财富是第五个最重要的 |
| 283 | private company in the country um was that in other words to get at truth um meaningful work | 这个国家的私人公司 嗯,换句话说,为了得到真相... ... |
| 284 | and meaningful relationships being on a mission together to achieve something great | 和有意义的关系 一个使命一起 实现伟大的东西 |
| 285 | and then the relationships but to do that through radical truthfulness and radical transparency | 然后是关系 但通过彻底的诚实和彻底的透明 |
| 286 | so we could take people's strengths and weaknesses and work with them to achieve that much higher | 这样我们就可以利用人们的优势和弱点,与他们合作,以达到更高的目标 |
| 287 | level of performance yeah no i i'm totally with you i think having data to measure the subconscious | 表现水平 耶,不,我完全和你在一起 我认为有数据来测量潜意识 |
| 288 | reactions actions responses is phenomenal because that's far more interesting and | 反应行动的反应是惊人的,因为这更有趣 |
| 289 | actually that conscious version of ourselves has been so conditioned and has become so default that | 事实上,我们这个有意识的版本 一直处于如此的状态 并变得如此默认 |
| 290 | it can often actually hold us back from a completely collaborative team or a completely | 它常常会把我们从一个 完全合作的团队或一个完全 |
| 291 | high-performing team because that's just been the way we've worked for so long and so all of it is | 高水平的团队,因为那是 我们一直以来的工作方式,所以这一切是 |
| 292 | lost in not noticing the subconscious so that the fact that that's being measured is is brilliant | 迷失在不注意潜意识 以至于被测量的事实 是辉煌的 |
| 293 | it's really useful it's so powerful otherwise it's all buried in subliminal things that people | 它真的有用,它是如此强大 否则它都埋在 潜意识的东西,人们 |
| 294 | don't talk about yeah not not good yeah and i love what you say about wanting to know the truth | 不要说是不好的 是的 我喜欢你说的想知道真相 |
| 295 | because there there has to be some courage to face our weaknesses and truly honor our strengths i | 因为必须要有勇气 面对我们的弱点 真正尊重我们的长处 |
| 296 | find that you know we've grown up in a society of uh i've talked about this before ray where i went | 发现你知道我们是在一个 呃的社会里长大的 我之前就说过这个 |
| 297 | to a high school a very competitive good high school back in england and uh school would rank | 高中,一个非常有竞争力的好高中 回到英格兰,呃学校会排名 |
| 298 | us in order of number one to number number 180 of all the students in every subject every year | 每年每个学科的学生中,第一至第一至第一至第一至第一至第一至第一至第一至第一至第一至第一 |
| 299 | against our peers and so you would get to see that uh and that was useful but what was missed there | 对付我们的同伴,你就会看到,呃,这是有用的,但错过了什么 |
| 300 | was what you're talking about this subconscious potential this hidden potential yeah what what | 这就是你所说的潜意识的潜力 隐藏的潜力 |
| 301 | what what people don't understand is that they think how good they are is in that number yes okay | 人们不明白的是 他们觉得自己在人数上有多好 |
| 302 | and what they lose is um the power of mistakes and weaknesses that's why one of the reasons why | 他们失去的是错误和弱点的力量 这也是为什么 |
| 303 | academic success is very poorly correlated with subsequent success in life and so people become | 学术成功与后来的生活成功关系极差,因此人们变得 |
| 304 | attached to what they know the one i think the greatest tragedy of mankind it's a big statement | 他们所知道的... ...我认为人类最大的悲剧... |
| 305 | the greatest tragedy of mankind is that people hold opinions in their heads which are wrong | 人类最大的悲剧是人们在思想中持有错误的观点 |
| 306 | that they could so easily stress test but they're so attached to those opinions that might be wrong | 他们可以那么容易地承受压力 但他们如此执着于那些可能是错误的观点 |
| 307 | if there's a disagreement um then somebody's must be wrong how do you know that it's not you | 如果有分歧 那么一定有人错了 你怎么知道不是你 |
| 308 | and to be able to learn if you're attached to knowing you don't have a capacity to learn | 并且能够学习 如果你执着于知道 你没有学习的能力 |
| 309 | if you're curious and you focus in on what you don't know and you're excited about not knowing | 如果你好奇 专注于你不知道的事 你对不知道很兴奋 |
| 310 | and learning then you have you will learn more and you'll raise your chances of coming up with a good | 然后学习,然后你会学到更多 你会提高你的机会 来一个好 |
| 311 | answer so that whole dynamic as you're dealing with it is am i worthy am i good i don't want to | 回答,所以整个动态 当你处理它 是,我值得 我很好,我不想 |
| 312 | look at my mistakes i don't want to look at my weaknesses is one of the great tragedies of our | 看我的错误 我不想看我的弱点 是我们最大的悲剧之一 |
| 313 | time yeah i couldn't agree with you more that's a really bold statement but but you you backed it up | 时间是的,我不能同意你 是一个真正的大胆的声明, 但你支持它 |
| 314 | well so i uh i'm definitely one who agrees with you and i want to move back to some parts of my | 好吧,所以我,呃,我绝对是一个 谁同意你 我想搬回我的一些部分 |
| 315 | test because i still want to get your insight on it um this one is this section on interpersonal | 测试,因为我仍然想 得到你的洞察力 嗯,这个是关于人际关系的部分 |
| 316 | orientations so how i engage with others right uh and my extrovertedness is 97 and the definition | 所以,我如何与其他人接触 右呃,我的外向是97和定义 |
| 317 | is you tend to be engaging and outgoing you thrive at the epicenter of social activities | 你总是在社交活动中心 参与和退出你蓬勃发展 |
| 318 | and are socially bold and adventurous so i'll share something that's interesting about this i | 社会上大胆冒险 所以我会分享一些有趣的事情 |
| 319 | agree with that highly very much agree with that at the same time i love being alone more than | 我非常同意这一点:同时我更喜欢一个人 |
| 320 | being around lots of people so i i get a lot of energy from seclusion and solitude and | 到处都是人 所以我从孤独和孤独中得到了很多能量 |
| 321 | being in silence and i crave that almost and i try and construct my days in such a way that i can | 在沉默中,我渴望 几乎,我尝试 和构建我的日子 这样我可以 |
| 322 | have more of that so how does that how is your i'd love to hear your understanding of extroversion | 拥有更多的,如何做到这一点 如何是你喜欢听到 你的理解外向 |
| 323 | and introversion and how what i just shared with you fits together in a very natural way | 和内向 以及我和你们分享的是什么 以非常自然的方式 |
| 324 | what happens is you have the um your natural inclination is to do those things that were | 发生的事情是,你有嗯 你的自然倾向是 做那些事情曾经, |
| 325 | mentioned and it described you very well and then you like your like me also meditate or or | 提到,它非常描述你 非常好,然后你喜欢 你喜欢的我 也冥想或 |
| 326 | understand the uh power of the rejuvenative nature of that experience and also uh well we both | 体会到那段经历的活力 还有我们两个 |
| 327 | meditate and so we understand that what it's like to go into the subconscious and uh to refresh | 深思熟虑,所以我们明白 潜入潜意识的感觉 |
| 328 | ourselves and how that balance then gives us the energy and the equanimity to come back and to do | 我们自己,以及这种平衡如何给我们 精力和平衡 回来和做 |
| 329 | the other so that's how it works you've experienced it you describe it and that's basically what it's | 另一种就是它是如何工作的 你经历过它,你描述它, 基本上它是什么 |
| 330 | picking up in you in terms of the the disc the the excitement there will be people who will be | 从你身上拿起盘子... ... ...... |
| 331 | very different from that meditation is something for example or going within is something that | 和冥想有很大不同 比如说 内心的沉思 |
| 332 | is beneficial to everyone but at the same time when you um there are many people who wouldn't | 对每个人都有好处 但与此同时 当你... 有很多人不会 |
| 333 | want to do the things that they just described you wanting to do in other words you want to you will | 想要做他们刚刚描述的 你想要做的事 换句话说,你想做 |
| 334 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}加入一个团队 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你得到你的能量 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你自然会在那里 | |
| 335 | introverted who would say that's the last thing in the world that i want so you're naturally | 内向谁会说那是我最不想做的事 所以你自然 |
| 336 | as described and then also using that in the way that i use that i'm i'm tested and i'm | 并用它的方式 用我的方式,我被测试,我 |
| 337 | very much exactly like you and and i experienced that i love hearing that it's very reassuring | 非常非常像你和我经历 我喜欢听到它非常令人放心 |
| 338 | hearing that from you and and i know that meditation has been a huge part of your | 从你那里听到的 我知道冥想是你们 |
| 339 | practice and we'll come back to that towards the end of the interview i want to dive more into that | 练习,我们会回到那个 在采访结束时,我想 潜入更多的 |
| 340 | this was fun how i engage with others it says that i am 81% caring so you have a strong desire to | 这很有趣 我如何与他人接触 它说,我81% 关心,所以你有强烈的愿望 |
| 341 | prioritize and support others needs are fascinated by their behaviors and tendencies though tend to | 优先考虑和支持他人的需求 被他们的行为和倾向所吸引 虽然倾向于 |
| 342 | be less sensitive to and caught up in their emotions and feelings uh so that was that that | 对感情和感情不太敏感 所以就是那样 |
| 343 | that was interesting to me i was like yeah i consider myself to be an empathetic caring | 这对我来说很有趣,我像是的 我认为自己是一个同情的关怀 |
| 344 | individual at the same time and to compare that to i'm also 68% on the tough scale so you tend to | 个人同时,比较一下,我也是68%的硬度 所以你倾向于 |
| 345 | be willing to debate your and others ideas and perspectives share criticism openly when warranted | 愿意辩论你和其他人的想法和观点,必要时公开发表批评意见。 |
| 346 | but tend to be more diplomatic and nuanced than blunt and direct in your style and that i fully | 但比起你的风格 直言直语 我更注重外交与细微 |
| 347 | agreed with too that i don't i've never believed that being rude or being angry without control or | 也同意 我不曾相信 粗鲁或愤怒 没有控制或 |
| 348 | you know to just be aggressive is ever useful but to to really share things in an open way without | 你知道只要有攻击性是有用的 但真正以公开的方式分享事物 |
| 349 | beating around the bush is really my very much needed so i like that | 我非常需要在灌木丛里乱打 所以我喜欢 |
| 350 | comparison between tough and caring well do you see how uh it really picked up the subtlety of it | 比较一下 坚韧的和关心的 你能看到它是如何真正地 捡起它的微妙之处 |
| 351 | those sentences were written specifically for that mix of uh attributes and and tailored that way | 这些句子是专为 混合的 uh 属性和定制 |
| 352 | because it's saying um that you are this way but you're not this way and so though that sentence | 因为它的意思是,嗯,你是这种方式, 但你不是这种方式,所以虽然句子 |
| 353 | was a very apt um um very sophisticated or subtle um uh finessed kind of description of what that | 是个非常精致或微妙的描述 |
| 354 | means for you and there's a continuum there you see that somebody might be they might be you know | 意味着你,有一个连续 在那里你看到,有人可能是他们 你知道 |
| 355 | just one way or another right but so yes you are direct you are strong um you you want those things | 只是一种方式或另一种方式的权利,但是是的,所以你是直接的... ... |
| 356 | and while you want those things um and you're deeply caring okay that caringness does not mean | 当你想要那些东西,嗯, 你深深地关心好... ... |
| 357 | that you're going to shy away from talking about difficult things to talk about | 你会躲开谈论困难的事情 |
| 358 | because you feel that you need to well you can hear that's captured you and that's a very important | 因为你觉得你需要好,你可以听到 抓住你,这是一个非常重要的 |
| 359 | difference than somebody who might be also uh not you know caring but cannot talk about the | 和别人的区别,呃... ...你不知道关心,但不能谈论 |
| 360 | difficult things because that makes it it's very difficult for them to do and there are many people | 困难的事情,因为 这使得它非常困难 他们做和有很多人 |
| 361 | who are like that and so they in the test would have a description that would say and you find it | 他们就是这样,所以他们在测试中 会有一个描述,你会发现它 |
| 362 | difficult to talk to people about such things and resolve them that's the power of the test | 很难跟别人谈论这些事情 并解决它们,这是测试的力量 |
| 363 | what i what i found so unique and powerful about this test especially this point that you've just | 我所发现的 如此独特和强大的测试 尤其是这一点 你刚刚 |
| 364 | again re-emphasized to me and highlighted to me is that that subtle nuance plays so deeply | 对我再次强调 对我强调 微妙的细微之处 |
| 365 | into my self-awareness because i believe i'm someone who likes to embrace polarities so | 因为我相信自己是喜欢拥抱极性的人 |
| 366 | i believe that being spiritual and being strategic need to work together i don't believe it's either | 我相信,作为精神 和战略需要 一起工作,我不认为这是 |
| 367 | or i don't i don't think you can say i'm i'm just spiritual i'm just strategic for me it has to work | 或者我不认为你能说我只是精神上的 我只是战略上的我 它必须工作 |
| 368 | together or when i hear people say like oh you have to be affectionate or assertive and i'm like | 在一起,或者当我听到人们说 像OH,你必须 亲切或自信,我就像 |
| 369 | no no i'm both of those things like i want to be affectionately assertive and so to me i've always | 不,不,我和那些事都一样,我想 充满自信,所以我一直 |
| 370 | wanted to articulate and share more that i believe in embracing polarities and this | 我想表达和分享更多 我相信拥抱极性 |
| 371 | picked up on that which i found fascinating because it's such a key integral part of how | 我从那些我发现很迷人的东西中找到的 因为它是关键的组成部分 |
| 372 | i see myself and the fact that it could get right in there uh is is really truly powerful and think | 我看见自己和事实 它可以得到在那里,呃是真的很强大 并思考 |
| 373 | about that that one that means for the people that you have relationships with | 关于那个意味着你和别人有关系的 |
| 374 | and when you give it to them and they say this is a description because you could just go check | 当你给了他们, 他们说这是个描述 因为你可以去看看 |
| 375 | i believe it it's powerful here you understand they're understanding you they're understanding | 我相信这里很强大 你明白他们理解你 他们理解你 |
| 376 | what you're doing where you're coming from and you could understand when they give you theirs | 你正在做什么 你来自哪里 你可以理解 当他们给你他们的 |
| 377 | you can understand that and it all makes sense yeah absolutely for everyone who's listening and | 你可以理解的,一切都很合理 对每一个在听的人来说都是 |
| 378 | watching right now if you're ever speaking to your partner or you're speaking to a colleague | 看着现在,如果你曾经和你搭档说话 或者你正在和一个同事说话 |
| 379 | and you're wondering why they don't tell you it how it is because that's how you respond | 你想知道为什么他们不告诉你 事情是如何发生的 因为这就是你的反应 |
| 380 | if you do this activity with them you'll be able to see how they deal with difficult conversations | 如果你和他们一起做这个活动 你会看到他们如何应付困难的对话 |
| 381 | how they're caring and how they're caring style comes across and this one for everyone's listening | 他们如何关心和 他们如何关心风格 遇到和这个 为每个人听 |
| 382 | and watching i want you to tell me if you agree or disagree so my my humor score came back and | 看,我要你告诉我,如果你同意或不同意 所以我的幽默分数回来, |
| 383 | my humor score is 63 it says you tend to be more joyful and light-hearted than serious and intense | 我的幽默分数是63,它说 你往往更快乐和轻心 比严肃和强烈 |
| 384 | 63 percent is pretty accurate i'd say i i like to be quite sober too my wife has been pushing me | 63%是相当准确的,我想说,我也很想保持清醒 我的妻子一直在推我 |
| 385 | in the more light-hearted and joyful because that's what she is and i'm pretty sure if we | 更轻的心和快乐 因为那就是她 我非常确定如果我们 |
| 386 | dial this up for her it would be like 99 i can't wait to send it to her but but anyone who's | 给她拨个电话,我等不及要寄给她了,但是... |
| 387 | listening or watching right now you can tell me if you think i'm funny or not you can tag me and | 现在听或看 你可以告诉我 如果你认为我好笑与否 你可以标记我 |
| 388 | ray on instagram as well at jay shetty at ray dalio tell them whether you think it should be more | 光线在Instagram上 以及杰伊·谢蒂在Ray Dalio上 告诉他们你是否认为应该更多 |
| 389 | than 63 or less than 63 but that was a fun one to see in there again right the next part is called | 超过63岁或不到63岁,但是那是一个有趣的 在那里再次看到,右侧的下一个部分叫做 |
| 390 | motivational orientation which just for everyone who knows describes how you manage and apply | 动机导向,仅供每个知道如何管理和应用的人使用 |
| 391 | yourself as challenges are faced so i'm interested in this composed to 99 very high you tend to remain | 面对挑战,我对这99个非常高的人感兴趣 你倾向于保持 |
| 392 | calm confident and controlled under stress or pressure i i feel very grateful to have been | 在压力或压力下 我非常感激你 |
| 393 | trained in that ability thanks to meditation thanks to my time as a monk and it felt very | 被训练成这样,多亏了冥想 多亏了作为僧侣的时间,感觉非常 |
| 394 | it felt very reassuring to to see that on paper well yes and it and it's you and you see how this | 在纸上看到这个感觉非常令人欣慰 是的,这是你和你看到的 |
| 395 | composite then adds up to you right so um you're creative you have the caring but you're strong | 合成物会补充你 所以,嗯,你很有创造力 你有照顾,但你很坚强 |
| 396 | um you'll talk about those issues and then you know you're in a position where under stress | 嗯,你会谈论这些问题 然后你知道你的处境 在压力 |
| 397 | you'll be calm and so on wow uh this is painting a very rich picture because there are some people | 你会冷静下来的,等等 哇,这幅画非常丰富 因为有些人 |
| 398 | who you know stress is not good for and you wouldn't want them to be in that particular | 你知道压力是不好的 而且你不希望他们处于这种特殊状态 |
| 399 | situation that you might on it they need help absolutely and this one really resonates so it's | 你可能在上面的情况 他们绝对需要帮助 而这个真的有共鸣 |
| 400 | really interesting i'll tell share this with you so the composed aspect is what i gained from being | 有趣的是,我会告诉你 分享这一点,所以 组成方面是我从获得 |
| 401 | a monk but the next thing i'm going to share with you is what stopped me from remaining a | 一个和尚,但接下来我要跟你们分享的事 就是阻止我成为 |
| 402 | monk so my autonomous is 99 so you are independent self-motivated and hold yourself accountable for | 和尚,所以我的自主是99 所以你是独立的自动机 并为自己负责 |
| 403 | outcomes you experience but that independence is what broke me out of living as a monk because i | 你经历的结果,但独立 是什么打破了我作为一个僧侣的生活 因为我 |
| 404 | could no longer adhere to the rules and practices and feel that that's how i wanted to share the | 不能再遵守规则和惯例了 觉得这就是我想分享 |
| 405 | wisdom and so it's interesting how experiences in our life help us gain certain skills like that | 智慧,所以有趣的是 我们生活中的经验 如何帮助我们获得某些技能 像那样 |
| 406 | composure but then also our natural inclination of autonomy which is very high in me i know that | 冷静点,然后我们自然而然的 自主的倾向 对我而言非常强烈 我知道 |
| 407 | for a fact pushes you out of it too yeah and then this is great flexible 99 which i found this one | 因为事实上把你推了出来 是的,然后这是非常灵活的99 我发现了这个 |
| 408 | was really fascinating so status seeking you have a moderate preference to please uh and keep up | 真的很迷人,所以地位 寻求你有一个温和的偏好 取悦,嗯,跟上 |
| 409 | appearances be liked admired and respected so i was 50 moderate which i was actually really happy | 相貌受人喜爱 受人尊重 所以我是50个温和派 |
| 410 | that that was actually measurable so i always say to people i believe it's really important to | 这其实是可以衡量的 所以我总是对人们说 我相信这真的很重要 |
| 411 | uh you know show up be there be present be relevant but at the same time you're not that's | 嗯,你知道出现 存在是相关的 但与此同时,你不是 |
| 412 | not your governing factor that's not your anchor that's not why i do what i do but i realize the | 不是你的主导因素 不是你的锚 也不是我做什么的原因 |
| 413 | value of it and the fact that it was able to hit it 50 that was that was mind-blowing to see that | 它的价值 和它能够击中它的事实 50,这是 令人惊奇的看到 |
| 414 | uh that level of that level of accuracy so these these sentences literally feel like they were | 准确度的这个水平 所以这些句子真的觉得 |
| 415 | written directly for me and by the way just so everyone knows i really do believe in the | 直接写给我,顺便说一句 让大家知道我真的相信 |
| 416 | horoscope effect where if you think something's written for you it is you but having done a lot | 星座效应,如果你认为 东西为你写 它是你做了很多 |
| 417 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我答应你 | |
| 418 | is not the horoscope effect i'm reading these statements and feeling very well understood | 不是星座效应 我读这些声明 感觉非常明白 |
| 419 | uh and and deeply understood so i just want to throw that out there ray because | 嗯,而且深深地理解 所以我只想 扔出去的射线,因为 |
| 420 | the horoscope effect is real um but but this is not that uh and the way that we test it is | 星座效应是真实的 但这不是我们测试的方法 |
| 421 | uh we go back you you you we sometimes we blind test it and we say who is this person | 嗯,我们回去你 你,我们有时 我们盲目测试它,我们说谁是这个人 |
| 422 | and they get oh that's that person and and you get the triangulation no it's yeah it's the real | 他们得到的哦,这就是那个人 而你得到三角 不,这是真的 |
| 423 | deal yeah yeah so and it's 40 minutes and wow and it's free so yeah it's it's awesome so yeah | 说定了,是的,是的,这是40分钟和 哇,这是免费的,所以是啊,这是真棒,是啊 |
| 424 | no i i absolutely love the test i highly recommend it to everyone i think it's a great conversation | 不,我绝对喜欢测试 我强烈推荐它给大家 我觉得这是一个伟大的谈话 |
| 425 | starter with your partner i think it's incredible to do with your teams i think it's phenomenal to | 开始你的搭档 我觉得这与你的团队是不可思议的 我认为这是惊人的 |
| 426 | do in your companies i was saying to ray when we spoke about this last week that my hope is that | 在你的公司做,我说雷 当我们谈到这上周, 我希望 |
| 427 | my jsheddy certification school can adopt this and use this in our coaching school is one of | 我的Jsheddy认证学校可以接受这个 并在我们的教练学校使用这个 |
| 428 | the tools that we recommend to people because we want people to gain this self-awareness | 我们推荐给人们的工具 因为我们想要人们获得这种自我意识 |
| 429 | and what better way than to have a really accurate like you said 45 minutes 120 questions | 还有什么更好的方法比有 一个真正准确 就像你说的45分钟120个问题 |
| 430 | it did not feel like that at all it was really i love doing these things and i love reading the | 完全没有这种感觉 我真的很喜欢做这些事情 我喜欢读 |
| 431 | results even more and i couldn't recommend it more to each of you for your relationships your | 我无法向你们每个人推荐 你们的关系 |
| 432 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}但我会的 | |
| 433 | definitely be recommending this to the to the ceos the executives that i work with in my work and | 绝对是推荐给那些 和我一起工作的高管们 |
| 434 | coaching work and we're going to put the link for all of you to try out so this is the beta version | 指导工作,我们把链接 供大家试用 所以这是β版本 |
| 435 | i believe that ray is giving us access to and so we're very grateful to ray and the team at | 我相信射线能让我们进入 所以我们非常感激射线和团队 |
| 436 | principles you for doing that for us and so i want each and every single one of you that are | 你为我们这样做的原则 所以我要你们每一个人 |
| 437 | listening to this if you've been fascinated by learning about my answers and seeing how me and | 如果你对学习我的答案很着迷 并且看到我和我的感受 |
| 438 | ray have been reflecting i want to see yours so head on to instagram share your archetype share | 射线一直反射,我想看到你的 所以头在Instagram分享你的古老类型份额 |
| 439 | your insights of what you learned and tag me and ray on instagram because we want to be able to see | 你对所学东西的洞察力 将我和射线印在Instagram上 因为我们想看 |
| 440 | what is it that you learned about yourself and then i want to keep you monitoring and i want you | 你学到了什么,然后我想 保持你的监控,我要你 |
| 441 | to come back and tell me some stories about how this has impacted your relationships and your | 回来告诉我一些故事 如何影响你们的关系和你们的关系 |
| 442 | companies and if you record it and send it into us we will put it on a future episode as well | 公司,如果你把它录下来并寄给我们, 我们将把它在未来的一集 |
| 443 | so i want to gather some qualitative responses from you as well as quantitative so i want to | 所以我想从你那里收集一些定性的回答 以及定量的回答 所以我想 |
| 444 | throw that out there for everyone who's watching well then let me say thank you very much because | 把那个扔到外面去,让大家好好看,然后让我非常感谢你,因为... |
| 445 | you know my goal is to pass it along and make it as good as possible to people and if you all give | 你知道,我的目标是传递它 并尽可能好给人们,如果你们都给予 |
| 446 | that kind of feedback in this beta test it'll all make it better and better and it's better for | 测试中这种反馈会更好 更好 |
| 447 | everyone so wow that would be just great awesome thanks ray so ray i have to ask you before we | 大家都那么哇,那会是伟大的 真棒感谢射线 所以射线我不得不问你 在我们之前 |
| 448 | move on to the next part of the interview i have to ask you so if you were hiring me for a role in | 接下来的采访,我不得不问你 如果你雇用我的角色 |
| 449 | one of your companies what would be my role where would you put me based on what you've learned | 你的一个公司,什么会是我的 角色,你会把我在哪里 根据你学到的 |
| 450 | i'd have you as my strategic partner in other words okay big picture where are we going | 换句话说,我要你做我的战略伙伴,我们要去哪里? |
| 451 | you know how do we get there and then i think you'd be extremely effective in dealing with people | 你知道我们如何到达那里,然后我觉得你会非常有效 与人打交道 |
| 452 | because okay you understand all of those things that that mix that you have between on the one | 因为,好吧,你明白所有的东西 混合你有一个 |
| 453 | hand being able to deal truthfully with those issues and not shying away from that but to be | 能够诚实地处理那些问题 而不是躲开它 |
| 454 | able to do that well and to keep their well-being as paramount importance in their development and | 能够这样做,并保持他们的福祉在他们的发展和 |
| 455 | so on are qualities that you have that would be your inclination but i'd also need to supplement | 因此,你具备的品质 是你的倾向 但我还需要补充 |
| 456 | you you know as everybody else and that would mean the people that would work with you to help on | 你和其他人一样知道, 这意味着那些会和你一起工作的人 |
| 457 | the implementation i wouldn't want you to get caught up in the details i wouldn't want you to | 我不想让你卷入我不希望你卷入的细节 |
| 458 | necessarily rely on all the precision and the accuracy and all of those types of things thank | 一定要依靠所有的精确度和准确度 所有这些类型的事情都感谢 |
| 459 | you very much i appreciate that that's that's great to hear i know i have a job lined up if i | 很高兴听到你这么说 我知道我有工作 |
| 460 | need it but no that's that's awesome it's really great to hear that i agree that was going to be | 需要它,但不行,这是真棒 它真的很高兴听到 我同意这将是 |
| 461 | my second question who do you think i should be surrounding myself by to be more effective | 我的第二个问题,你认为我应该 环绕我自己,以提高效率 |
| 462 | and productive and you answered it just there and then that having people around me that are | 并且富有成效,你回答它 刚刚在那里,然后有 人身边我 |
| 463 | highly detailed oriented implementation oriented people who can bring that vision to life and i | 高度细致的面向执行的人,他们可以把这种愿景带给生活,我 |
| 464 | couldn't agree with you more i know i'm on the search for them in my company right now so | 完全同意你的看法 我知道我正在公司寻找他们 |
| 465 | very much aligned with that and and i want people to know i really felt a great degree of accuracy | 和它非常吻合 我希望人们知道 我真的觉得非常准确 |
| 466 | doing this now ray we've talked about this before you're at a stage in your life and and you said | 现在做这个,雷,我们已经谈论了这一点 在你进入你生命的一个阶段,你说 |
| 467 | it very wonderfully to me the other day you said you know i'm at a stage in my life i'm trying to | 那天你说你知道我正处于我生命中的一个阶段 |
| 468 | share what i've learned we see you doing that with principles now with principles you with the dot | 分享我所学到的,我们看到你这样做 原则现在与原则 你与点 |
| 469 | collector with your new book that's coming out called the changing world order why nations succeed | 收集你的新书 即将出版的书 被称为不断变化的世界秩序 为什么国家成功 |
| 470 | and fail and what i love about the way you do it and you beautifully said this you were like you | 失败了,我爱的是什么 你这样做的方式, 你美美地说,你喜欢你 |
| 471 | know when when you get this you were saying that we share it but you said when you get to 71 you | 你知道当你得到这个,你说我们分享它 但你说当你得到71你 |
| 472 | want to do it faster and i thought what a what a you know what a beautiful way to live uh that | 想要更快地做,我想 什么是什么一个你知道 多么美丽的生活方式,呃 |
| 473 | you're living with such purpose and service and you always have uh but you're continuing to do | 你活在如此的目的和服务中 你总是有 呃 但你继续做 |
| 474 | that today and we're benefiting from it but what i love that you have the ability to do based on | 今天,我们从中得益 但我爱的是什么 你有能力做基于 |
| 475 | your experience and background is you're able to go from these micro individual deep personal topics | 你的经验和背景是 你可以从这些微小个人 深入的个人话题 |
| 476 | to then scale and like you said the helicopter kind of method of then talk about these really | 就像你说的 直升机的方法 然后谈论这些 |
| 477 | macro global national issues and challenges and and you have not just the authority and experience | 宏观的全球国家问题和挑战,你不仅有权威和经验 |
| 478 | but you have the insight to be able to speak about these things and so your new book the changing | 但你有洞察力 能够谈论这些事情 所以你的新书 |
| 479 | world order why nations succeed and fail which you can pre-order right now if you're listening | 世界秩序 国家为什么成功和失败 如果你在听的话 你现在可以预先命令 |
| 480 | to this episode the book is not out yet but it will be out soon so you can pre-order it on amazon | 这本书还没有出版,但很快就会出版 这样你就可以预先订到阿马松 |
| 481 | you talk about these three really fascinating concepts where you talk about a lot but i want | 你谈论这三个非常迷人的概念 在那里你谈论了很多,但我想要 |
| 482 | to dive into these three important concepts and the first one is something that rings really true | 潜入这三个重要概念 第一个概念是真正真实的东西 |
| 483 | for people right now and and we'll see the crescendo but we talk about the financial challenges and the | 眼下为人们,我们会看到 新的,但我们谈论 金融挑战和 |
| 484 | financial issues that society is currently facing only amplified by the pandemic and the the | 社会目前面临的金融问题由于这种流行病和 |
| 485 | craziness of 2020 and and i was i was intrigued to hear what you felt is what's going to make nations | 2020年的疯狂 而我很感兴趣地听到 你的感觉是什么 将会成为国家 |
| 486 | financially succeed and fail as the future unfolds where does our financial power history and legacy | 随着未来的发展,财政上的成功和失败,我们的财政实力历史和遗产在哪里? |
| 487 | lie and how a nation is going to fail or succeed at this very important metric well i'm happy you | 谎言和一个国家如何会失败或成功 在这个非常重要的度量井 我很高兴你 |
| 488 | asked the question i'll answer it i just wanted to also clarify that i'm writing the book and i'm | 问问题 我会回答的 我只是想澄清 我正在写书 |
| 489 | putting in my drafts of all the chapters they're available on linkedin so if you really want to | 把我所有章节的草稿都放在连线上 如果你想的话 |
| 490 | read the book as it's being written you go to linkedin and you can get it as it's happening | 读这本书,当它正在写 你去链接,你可以得到它随着它发生 |
| 491 | and it doesn't cost you anything so that's a possibility if you like to do that you can | 如果你愿意做的话,你不需要付出任何代价 |
| 492 | understand it there are there are three big things that are happening in our lifetimes or right now | 要知道在我们生命中或现在 有三件大事发生 |
| 493 | that didn't happen in my lifetime before didn't happen in our lifetimes before but happened in | 这在我之前没有发生过 在我们之前没有发生过 但是发生在 |
| 494 | history and it was interesting to me over my years that that that my surprises often | 历史和有趣的是我 多年来,我的惊喜 经常 |
| 495 | came from things that didn't happen in my lifetime but happened before in history and those three | 来自于我一生中没有发生的事 之前发生在历史和这三件事 |
| 496 | things that are i'm referring to and by the way all happened in the 1930s were first with financial | 我指的是的东西 顺便说一句 在1930年代发生的一切 首先是金融 |
| 497 | and debt and that means when there was a lot of debt and interest rates were pushed down to zero | 和债务,这意味着 当有大量的债务和利率 被推到零 |
| 498 | percent and in order to stimulate the economy the governments had to produce a lot more debt | 为了刺激经济 政府不得不增加债务 |
| 499 | that the central banks had to print money to buy that debt that coming to the end of a long-term | 中央银行不得不印钱 购买债务 即将结束的长期 |
| 500 | debt cycle is happening now it's we're in that era it has big implications for the value of money | 债务周期正在发生,我们是在那个时代 对货币价值有重大影响 |
| 501 | and who gets money and so on and the last time that happened was the 1930s so i'll explain that | 和谁得到钱等等 最后一次发生 是1930年代 所以我会解释 |
| 502 | those implications in a minute but i want to get to the second of those influences the second of | 这些影响在一分钟内,但我想得到的第二 这些影响第二 |
| 503 | those big influences is large gaps in wealth values and politics i can measure the wealth gap | 这些巨大的影响是财富价值和政治的巨大差距 我可以衡量财富差距 |
| 504 | the income gap the political gap statistically i show it i know it and we have not had such large | 收入差距 政治差距 从统计学上看,我知道,我们没有这么大 |
| 505 | gaps you have to go back again to the 1930s to have that those types of gaps and we see it every day | 你必须要回到1930年代 才能有这些差距 我们每天都看到 |
| 506 | and that has real implications it has economic implications such as what will tax policy be | 并具有实际影响 经济影响,如税收政策将是什么 |
| 507 | what will spending be what will we put as our prioritization so it affects us every day | 需要花多少钱,我们把哪些作为我们的优先事项,这样它每天都影响我们 |
| 508 | but it even affects how are we dealing with each other we have gotten almost to the point of having | 但它甚至影响我们如何对待彼此 我们得到的几乎达到 拥有 |
| 509 | irreconcilable differences and being in a position where there's winning at all cost | 无法调和的分歧 和处于一个位置 有赢不惜一切代价 |
| 510 | and history has shown that that is a very threatening type of situation that | 历史表明,这是极具威胁性的局势, |
| 511 | it's the brink of civil war and revolution when there's not enough respect for the system | 当制度得不到足够的尊重时,这是内战和革命的边缘 |
| 512 | or enough interaction so it's a risky really risky point that we see every day what how should we be | 或足够的互动,所以这是一个非常危险的点 我们每天看到,我们应该是什么 |
| 513 | what are our values all of what does that mean for taxes you see it red states and blue states | 我们的价值观是什么? 这对税收意味着什么? |
| 514 | and the differences and that has implications financial economic and so on and the third factor | 影响金融经济等方面的差异和第三个因素 |
| 515 | is the rise of a great power to challenge the united states as a great power and that again in | 是强国崛起 挑战美国作为强国 再一次在 |
| 516 | the 30s for example there was the british empire and then germany and japan grows and were able to | 例如三十年代 英国的帝国 然后德国和日本逐渐成长 |
| 517 | challenge and and that led to conflicts and eventually led to war we now have for the first | 这导致冲突,并最终导致战争,我们现在第一次 |
| 518 | time in this order this world order which began in 1945 when the end of world war one we began | 这一世界秩序始于1945年 世界战争结束之时 |
| 519 | a new system it was the american system put the dollar at the center of that system in america | 新制度是美国制度把美元放在美国制度的中心 |
| 520 | and the american world order rules who are american and that is now there's the emergence | 而美国的世界秩序规则 谁是美国人, 而现在出现了 |
| 521 | of china and so we're having conflicts of china there are five types of major conflicts that | 我们的瓷器冲突有五种主要冲突 |
| 522 | always happen over and over again and we're experiencing that they call them wars there's | 总是反复发生 我们正经历 他们称之为战争 |
| 523 | a trade war there's a technology war there's a geopolitical war there is a capital war | 贸易战争 技术战争 地缘政治战争 首都战争 |
| 524 | and there is a military build-up and so on and so how a lot of things are going to happen | 并有一个军事集结等等, 所以如何很多事情会发生 |
| 525 | how technology will unfold how capital and trade will be which will affect us all | 技术将如何发展 资本和贸易将如何影响我们所有人 |
| 526 | is influenced by that so those three things happened over and over again so i studied the | 受这三件事的影响 我研究了 |
| 527 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我学到了很多关于这三件事的 | |
| 528 | and how they relate to each other tells us where we are and gives us some good ideas of the risks | 他们如何互相联系 告诉我们我们在哪里 给我们一些关于风险的好想法 |
| 529 | and opportunities of what might come yeah no those three are so interesting when like you just said | 就像你刚才说的 那三个人太有趣了 |
| 530 | are being faced at the same time which makes it such an unprecedented time as we hear over and | 此时此刻,我们正面临一个前所未有的时刻。 |
| 531 | over again what is the root of solving or finding a solution within all of those three because | 再说一遍,解决或找到解决这三个问题的根源是什么? |
| 532 | it's almost like all roads point to like a bad space or like a negative outcome when you hear | 就像是所有的道路都指向一个糟糕的空间 或者像一个负面的结果 当你听到 |
| 533 | those three things of financial problems we're at each other's throats as you've said the opposition | 这三件事,财政问题 我们彼此的喉咙 正如你说的反对派 |
| 534 | power rising what is the solution in it or what are what are the ways or alternative paths that | 力量上升 什么是解决方案 或是什么是什么 途径或替代路径 |
| 535 | we can take as a nation as countries across the world to create more harmony well that's | 我们可以把作为一个国家 像世界各国 创造更多的和谐 |
| 536 | the great thing about the lessons of history is it's not unprecedented it's only unprecedented | 历史教训的伟大之处在于,这不是前所未有的,只是前所未有的 |
| 537 | in our lifetimes yes we can look back over there and you see these things happen over and over | 在我们的一生中,是的,我们可以回头看 那里,你看这些事情 一遍又一遍地发生 |
| 538 | and so there are lessons for example on the war issue there were 12 there were 16 times where | 例如战争问题上的教训 有12次 |
| 539 | there were rising powers that challenged existing powers in 12 of those times they had wars in four | 在其中12个时期中,有越来越多的国家 挑战了现有的权力, 其中有4个时期的战争 |
| 540 | of those times they didn't have wars that they worked it out and and so you could see societies | 在那些时代 他们没有战争 他们解决了它, |
| 541 | that came close to civil war or wars internationally the big things are two big things | 接近内战或国际战争... ... |
| 542 | how the people deal with each other recognizing what whether this is a common challenge and they | 人们如何对待对方 承认这是否是一个共同挑战 |
| 543 | recognize the need to find the common solutions through working together to find those common | 认识到需要通过共同努力找到共同的解决办法, |
| 544 | solutions with the recognition and the horror of knowing what the the these wars are like | 以承认和恐惧的方式解决这些战争 |
| 545 | so fear of those wars understanding those wars anybody who went through those wars and saw those | 害怕那些战争 理解那些战争 任何经历过那些战争的人 |
| 546 | things up close knows that they never want to have anything like that again but unfortunately | 近在咫尺的事情知道 他们再也不想再有那样的事情了 但不幸的是 |
| 547 | they've those people have passed away and so the that that notion of fear that the necessity | 这些人已经去世了 所以恐惧的观念 |
| 548 | of working it together in a non-conflicting way is very important and the second of those things | 以非冲突方式合作是非常重要的,第二件事 |
| 549 | are skills skills that that so that you can engineer the increasing the size of the pie | 是技能,这样你就可以 设计增加的馅饼大小 |
| 550 | and dividing it well what what history has shown is that some people are focused in on | 并很好地划分它 历史所显示的是, 有些人专注于 |
| 551 | increasing the size of the pie but not dividing it well and so that's a problem and some people | 增加馅饼的大小,但分不出来, 所以这是一个问题和一些人 |
| 552 | are so focused on dividing it that they don't know how to increase the size of the pie at the end of | 他们把注意力放在分裂上 以至于他们不知道如何在结尾增加派的大小 |
| 553 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你必须提高生产率 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}不管你吃什么 | |
| 554 | somebody's got to produce and so productivity has got to be important while there's also a | 有人必须生产 所以生产力必须很重要 同时还有 |
| 555 | recognition that that has to encompass most people so that those most people can be productive and | 承认这必须包括大多数人,以便那些大多数的人能够产生生产力, |
| 556 | share in that productivity if you don't have that you'll have that out of balance and you'll have a | 分享生产力,如果你没有, 你会有这种平衡 你会有一个 |
| 557 | problem so those are the two things skills and the need to do it together are the two most important | 问题在于这两件事的技巧 和需要一起做是最重要的 |
| 558 | that history gives us as a god you know where you are every day is not a new day right in other | 历史给了我们一个神 你知道你在哪里 每天不是新的一天 |
| 559 | words we're not in a position where our debts were the same as when we 30 years ago and we're not in | 30年前我们欠下的债 和30年前一样 |
| 560 | a position that monetary policy could be there and we're not in a position not like at the end | 认为货币政策可能存在 而我们并不像最后那样 |
| 561 | of the war where we're most people there's a big middle class and the differences between them | 在战争中,我们是大多数人 有一个大中产阶级和他们之间的差异 |
| 562 | great you have to recognize those difference and be able to skillfully and together deal with those | 伟大的,你必须认识到这些差异 并能够精明地和共同处理这些 |
| 563 | differences that's such great analysis and i'm so glad that you went and picked those lessons out | 差异是这么伟大的分析 我很高兴你能去 和挑出这些教训 |
| 564 | from hindsight because i think there's a beautiful statement by mark twain where he said uh similar | 从后视线,因为我认为有一个美丽的陈述 马克Twain说,呃相似 |
| 565 | to what you're saying man he said history never repeats itself but it always rhymes and and you | 你说的,他说历史从不重复 但总是押韵,还有你 |
| 566 | know we're in that situation right now where you're saying it's not exactly the same but there are a | 我们知道我们现在处于那种情况 你说这不完全一样 但有一个 |
| 567 | lot of the same factors that are that are involved and by recognizing the differences but still | 许多相同的因素都涉及,通过承认差异,但仍然 |
| 568 | applying the knowledge of the past that we missed out on i think i'm really hoping that you're | 运用过去我们错过的知识 我想我真的希望你 |
| 569 | speaking to and guiding some of our world leaders in that direction uh because it's you know i i | 和一些世界领袖说话 并引导他们朝这个方向前进... ...因为你知道我 |
| 570 | think there's a lot of people who feel at least from my conversations on the ground at least feel | 认为有很多人 至少从我地面上的对话中感觉到 至少感觉 |
| 571 | very helpless and don't know how they can be a part of that macro change and so i am speaking to | 非常无助,不知道他们如何能够 成为宏观变化的一部分 所以我说话 |
| 572 | world leaders and i also know how challenging it is to be in their position because they also report | 世界领导人,我也知道他们的立场有多难,因为他们也报告 |
| 573 | to a population that could be quite emotional and quite demanding and so the idea of doing it | 对一个情绪和要求 相当高的人群来说 |
| 574 | rationally is um is important but that's policy for the whole but individuals need to start with | 理性是很重要的,但这是整个政策 但个人需要从 |
| 575 | taking care of themselves so don't worry if you're not changing the world okay and fixing the world | 照顾好自己,别担心,如果你不改变世界... ...好吗? |
| 576 | but worry about how you're handling that yourself right and that means how you how you save your | 但担心你是如何处理 自己的权利, 这意味着你如何拯救你的 |
| 577 | money how you prepare that your cook you know your financial cushion how you invest your money | 你如何准备你的厨师 你知道你的经济缓冲 |
| 578 | um how you treat yourself but that may be your meditation or your understanding of such times | 嗯,你如何对待自己, 但这可能是你的冥想 或你对这样的时代的理解 |
| 579 | these are all things that you could do uh to help you and your family and the people that you care | 这些都是你能做的,呃... 帮助你和你的家人... 以及你关心的人 |
| 580 | about that's important you may not solve the problems of the world but you can know how to | 这很重要 你可能无法解决世界问题 但你可以知道如何解决 |
| 581 | deal with the world well yeah that's great advice ray that's awesome thank you so much everyone who | 处理好世界 不错的忠告 雷 真棒 谢谢大家 |
| 582 | hasn't like ray said you can get the free chapters on linkedin or if you're like me and love having | 不喜欢雷说你可以免费拿到有关连线的章节 或者你喜欢我 喜欢有 |
| 583 | real books in your house then you can order the changing world order for when it's out ray makes | 在你家里的真书,你就可以 订购不断变化的世界秩序 当它出射线制造 |
| 584 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}光亮你的团队 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}把美丽的书做成一本美丽的书 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}感觉很好 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\s | |
| 585 | reads even better inside and so if anyone does want the physical copy you can pre-order it but | 里面读得更好 所以如果有人想要物理拷贝 你可以事先订购 |
| 586 | like ray said he's being very kind and generous and you can find the draft chapters as the books | 就像雷说,他非常善良和慷慨 你可以找到章节草稿作为书 |
| 587 | being written on linkedin as well to download ray it's been wonderful speaking to you again and | 为了下载光线 连线上也写着 很高兴再次和你说话 |
| 588 | you've been so generous with your time and i wanted to uh thank you again for your beautiful | 你这么慷慨,我想再次感谢你的美丽 |
| 589 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你给我的书作证 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我觉得你是个很慷慨的和尚 | |
| 590 | kind i was very honored to receive that it meant a lot uh and even reconnecting with you today and | 我非常荣幸地得到它意味着很多 呃 甚至今天与你重新连接 |
| 591 | learning from you and getting the fortune and the joy of being able to go through my uh principles | 从你那里学习 得到财富和快乐 能够通过我的 呃原则 |
| 592 | you and personal discovery tour with you was was really my pleasure so thank you so much well | 你和你的私人探索之旅是我的荣幸 所以非常感谢你 |
| 593 | we're very aligned i have a great deal of respect for you and i think that your listeners are very | 我们非常团结 我非常尊重你 我认为你的听众非常 |
| 594 | lucky to have your input on a regular basis so uh you know thank you for allowing me to share | 幸好能定期收到你的意见 所以... 谢谢你允许我分享 |
| 595 | these things i hope they're of use to them absolutely ray i think i think this this stage | 这些东西我希望它们能用到 绝对的射线 我觉得这个阶段 |
| 596 | of your life is going to serve people in an incredible incredible way with all this work | 以不可思议的方式为人们服务 |
| 597 | you're doing and it's what i love about it so much is that it's it's building tools it's building | 你正在做,这就是我最爱的 就是它正在建造工具 |
| 598 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你这么多年来所做的一切 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}但对于个人来说 | |
| 599 | going to be so powerful so thank you for doing what you're doing and thank you for allowing me | 将如此强大,所以谢谢你所做的一切,谢谢你允许我 |
| 600 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH | |
| 601 | collaboration so thank you to them all everyone who's listening and watching make sure you go | 合作,所以感谢他们 所有在听和看的人 确保你去 |
| 602 | follow ray on instagram and across social media uh please please please go ahead and click on the | 请继续点击 |
| 603 | link do the beta version of principles you i promise you you won't regret it and of course | 连结 做Beta 版本的原则 你答应我 你不会后悔的 当然 |
| 604 | you can pre-order the book the new world order and look out for dot collector on zoom as well | 你可以预先订书 新的世界秩序 并注意点集器 在缩放 |
| 605 | ray thank you so much for being here and we're so grateful to have you as a regular probably | 雷 非常感谢你来这里 我们非常感激你作为一个常客 |
| 606 | the third guest only to have ever done two episodes and on purpose so far one of those | 第三位只拍过两集的嘉宾 也是故意的 |
| 607 | three is my wife uh so this has been absolutely awesome ray thank you so much i'm honored thank | 3个是我老婆 所以这真是太棒了 |
| 608 | you if you want even more videos just like this one make sure you subscribe and click on the boxes | 如果你想要更多的视频 像这样的,确保你订阅和点击框 |
| 609 | over here i'm also excited to let you know that you can now get my book think like a monk from | 我也很兴奋地告诉你 你现在可以让我的书像僧侣一样思考了 |
| 610 | think like a monk book.com check below in the description to make sure you order today | 想想看,像一本和尚书.com 在下面的描述,确保你今天订购。 |
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| 0:00 | But the best lives in some ways are unadorned lives that lives that are not adorned by the trappings of wealth or performative complexity or posturing or status seeking, but are the simplicity of do you have people who love you and do you have people you | 但是,在某些方面最好的生活是不受尊重的生活,生活不是被财富的陷阱或表演的复杂性或姿态或地位所迷惑的,而是有爱你的人和有你爱的人的简单吗? |
| 0:18 | Hey everyone, welcome back to on purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now, today I'm super excited because I have been reading these authors bo | 嘿,各位,欢迎回到 世界上第一健康播客。 多亏你们每一个人 每周回来倾听、学习和成长 今天我非常兴奋,因为我从小就读过这些作者的书, 我发现这些书很迷人。 他们完全启发了我 当它涉及到行为科学, 理解思想,如何思考,如何做决定。 |
| 0:47 | How we get driven and motivated, and I've been a fan ever since. So this is a true fan moment for me. Our guest today is none other than Daniel Pink. He's the author of six books about business and human behavior. His books include the long time running N | 如何驱动和激励, 我从此一直是一个粉丝。 对我来说,这是一个真正的粉丝时刻。 今天的客人是丹尼尔·平克 他是六本关于商业和人类行为的书的作者. 他的著作包括长期经营的"纽约时报"畅销书"When"(When),今天将解剖. |
| 1:06 | A whole new mind as well as the number one New York Times bestsellers drive, which was actually the first book that I read from him and to sell is human. Dan's books have won multiple awards and have been translated into 40 languages and have sold more th | 一个全新的思想 和第一 纽约时报畅销书驱动器, 这其实是我从他读的第一本书 并出售是人类。 丹书多次获奖,并被翻译成40种语言,售出300多万册. |
| 1:22 | Now, Dan has been a contributing editor at fast company and wired as well as a business columnist for the Sunday Telegraph. His articles and essays have also appeared in the New York Times, Harvard Business Review and other publications. | 现在,丹在快公司担任撰稿编辑,并担任周日电讯报的商业专栏作家。 他的文章和散文也出现在"纽约时报",哈佛商报和其他出版物中. |
| 1:35 | And in 2019, London based Thinkers 50 named him the sixth most influential management thinker in the world, and he lives in Washington DC with his family. And today we're here to talk about his latest book, When, called The Scientific Secrets of Perfect T | 而在2019年,伦敦的"思想家50"将他命名为世界上第六位最具影响力的管理思想家,他与家人居住在华盛顿. 今天我们来谈谈他最新的一本书,《何时》, 叫做《完美时刻的科学秘密》, 我知道你会喜欢的。 所以,丹,谢谢你这样做。 |
| 1:52 | Jay, it's a pleasure to be with you. | 杰伊,很高兴和你在一起 |
| 1:56 | Yeah, you literally you were like one of the first people I ever thought of interviewing before I even had a podcast. And I remember saying to I believe our mutual friend, Dan Chabal, who I believe you know well as well. | 是啊,你字面意思是 你是我第一个想采访的人之一 之前,我甚至有一个播客。 我记得我曾经说过 我相信我们的共同朋友丹·查巴尔 我相信你也很清楚 |
| 2:08 | Sure, of course. | 当然可以 |
| 2:09 | I remember saying to him, I was like, I would love to interview Dan. And he was like, Yeah, I can introduce you to him. I can introduce you to him. And then I didn't have a podcast then. So I didn't interview. So we waited. | 我记得对他说 我很想采访丹 他好像,是的,我可以给你介绍他。 我可以介绍你认识他 然后我没有播客。 所以我没有面试。 所以我们等。 |
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| 1 | But the best lives in some ways are unadorned lives that lives that are not adorned by the trappings of wealth or performative complexity or posturing or status seeking, but are the simplicity of do you have people who love you and do you have people you | 但是,在某些方面最好的生活是不受尊重的生活,生活不是被财富的陷阱或表演的复杂性或姿态或地位所迷惑的,而是有爱你的人和有你爱的人的简单吗? |
| 2 | Hey everyone, welcome back to on purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now, today I'm super excited because I have been reading these authors bo | 嘿,各位,欢迎回到 世界上第一健康播客。 多亏你们每一个人 每周回来倾听、学习和成长 今天我非常兴奋,因为我从小就读过这些作者的书, 我发现这些书很迷人。 他们完全启发了我 当它涉及到行为科学, 理解思想,如何思考,如何做决定。 |
| 3 | How we get driven and motivated, and I've been a fan ever since. So this is a true fan moment for me. Our guest today is none other than Daniel Pink. He's the author of six books about business and human behavior. His books include the long time running N | 如何驱动和激励, 我从此一直是一个粉丝。 对我来说,这是一个真正的粉丝时刻。 今天的客人是丹尼尔·平克 他是六本关于商业和人类行为的书的作者. 他的著作包括长期经营的"纽约时报"畅销书"When"(When),今天将解剖. |
| 4 | A whole new mind as well as the number one New York Times bestsellers drive, which was actually the first book that I read from him and to sell is human. Dan's books have won multiple awards and have been translated into 40 languages and have sold more th | 一个全新的思想 和第一 纽约时报畅销书驱动器, 这其实是我从他读的第一本书 并出售是人类。 丹书多次获奖,并被翻译成40种语言,售出300多万册. |
| 5 | Now, Dan has been a contributing editor at fast company and wired as well as a business columnist for the Sunday Telegraph. His articles and essays have also appeared in the New York Times, Harvard Business Review and other publications. | 现在,丹在快公司担任撰稿编辑,并担任周日电讯报的商业专栏作家。 他的文章和散文也出现在"纽约时报",哈佛商报和其他出版物中. |
| 6 | And in 2019, London based Thinkers 50 named him the sixth most influential management thinker in the world, and he lives in Washington DC with his family. And today we're here to talk about his latest book, When, called The Scientific Secrets of Perfect T | 而在2019年,伦敦的"思想家50"将他命名为世界上第六位最具影响力的管理思想家,他与家人居住在华盛顿. 今天我们来谈谈他最新的一本书,《何时》, 叫做《完美时刻的科学秘密》, 我知道你会喜欢的。 所以,丹,谢谢你这样做。 |
| 7 | Jay, it's a pleasure to be with you. | 杰伊,很高兴和你在一起 |
| 8 | Yeah, you literally you were like one of the first people I ever thought of interviewing before I even had a podcast. And I remember saying to I believe our mutual friend, Dan Chabal, who I believe you know well as well. | 是啊,你字面意思是 你是我第一个想采访的人之一 之前,我甚至有一个播客。 我记得我曾经说过 我相信我们的共同朋友丹·查巴尔 我相信你也很清楚 |
| 9 | Sure, of course. | 当然可以 |
| 10 | I remember saying to him, I was like, I would love to interview Dan. And he was like, Yeah, I can introduce you to him. I can introduce you to him. And then I didn't have a podcast then. So I didn't interview. So we waited. | 我记得对他说 我很想采访丹 他好像,是的,我可以给你介绍他。 我可以介绍你认识他 然后我没有播客。 所以我没有面试。 所以我们等。 |
| 11 | Absolutely worth the wait. | 绝对值得等待。 |
| 12 | Well, thank you so much for doing this. I genuinely enjoyed your book, what you've helped me understand about human incentives, drive and now timing, which I think is the most fascinating. I recommended this book last year as one of my top 10 books and pu | 非常感谢你这么做 我非常欣赏你的书, 你帮助我了解人类的激励, 驱动力和时机, 我认为这最吸引人。 去年我推荐这本书作为我十大书之一,并尽我所能推开. |
| 13 | So I'm excited to dive into it. But I want to actually start off with something that I saw on your Twitter profile. I think it was yesterday or a couple of days ago where you recommended you actually recommended Trevor Noah's audio book. | 所以我很兴奋地潜入其中。 但我想从你推特上看到的开始。 我想是昨天或几天前 你推荐特雷弗·诺亚的录音资料 |
| 14 | Oh, crime for a book to study with for high school students and I was understanding why why particularly that book. | 哦,为高中生学习一本书的犯罪 我理解为什么那本书特别重要 |
| 15 | There's a large presence on Twitter of another social media of educators and and those are educators among the few people who I actually enjoy interacting with on Twitter. | 推特上大量出现另一家教育者社交媒体, 以及那些教育者, |
| 16 | And so there was a fellow who I think was a high school principal who was looking for recommendations for books for high school students to read. And I thought that that Trevor Noah's book, including the audio edition was just a great choice for high scho | 因此,有一个人,我认为他是一位高中校长, 他正在寻找建议 书籍供高中生阅读。 我认为,特雷弗·诺亚的书,包括音频版,只是高中生的一个伟大的选择. |
| 17 | I mean, I'm the father of a high school student. My son has read that book. It's an extraordinary principle. It's monumental entertaining. It's just a gripping story of this kid. | 我是高中生的父亲 我儿子读过那本书 这是一个非常的原则。 具足庄严娱乐. 这只是关于这个孩子的故事 |
| 18 | And I think that what he is telling us gives us all kinds of insight into our world today. | 我认为,他告诉我们的事情使我们对当今世界有了各种各样的见解。 |
| 19 | He, Trevor, was the son of a black mom and a white dad, German dad, growing up. He was born in apartheid era, South Africa. | 他,特雷弗,是一个黑人母亲的儿子 一个白人爸爸,德国爸爸,长大了。 他出生于南非种族隔离时代. |
| 20 | And so simply for Americans, especially white Americans, hearing about that is just I mean, even though you know it, it's just kind of mind boggling. | 对美国人来说,特别是美国白人来说, 听到这些只是我意思, 虽然你知道,这只是一种思维的摇摆。 |
| 21 | And then and then what happens after post apartheid, how he decides what he wants to do, what his relationships are with his mother and father. | 然后然后在种族隔离之后会发生什么,他如何决定他想要做什么,他与父母的关系是什么. |
| 22 | But I actually listened to the audio edition of this of his book, and it is, Jay, I think the best audio book I've ever listened to. | 但我实际上听了他的这本书的音频版, 这是,杰伊,我认为最好的音频版 我听过。 |
| 23 | And the reason for that is that is that Trevor Noah speaks multiple languages. | 原因是特雷弗·诺亚会讲多种语言。 |
| 24 | And and so and so he goes into some of these languages, but also his ability to do characters and accents is just extraordinary. | 所以,他进入了其中的一些语言, 但也能够做人物和口音,这简直是非凡的。 |
| 25 | It's just it's a virtuosic performance and just a gripping read. I can't imagine a 17 year old not being 16 year old not being mesmerized by that as I was. | 这只是一个虚拟的表演, 只是一个抓取读物。 我无法想象一个17岁没有16岁的人 就不能像我那样被它迷惑 |
| 26 | And I'm way older than 17. I love that. No, it's a great recommendation. | 我比17岁大 我喜欢 不,这是一个伟大的建议。 |
| 27 | I think that's awesome. And it's always nice to hear authors and very successful authors recommending other authors and audio books. | 我觉得这太棒了。 并且总是很高兴听到作者和非常成功的作者推荐其他作者和音频书籍. |
| 28 | So I think that's brilliant. Now you've made it really, really clear. That's that's great. | 所以,我认为这是辉煌。 现在你说得很清楚了 赞曰. |
| 29 | Tell us about I want to start, you know, about with your fascination with human behavior and the mind and the way we think and why we do certain things like where did that come from for you? | 告诉我们,我想开始,你知道, 关于你对 人类的行为的迷恋, 和我们的想法和方式, 为什么我们做某些事情 比如,这是从哪里给你的? |
| 30 | Because, you know, like I said, you were the first person or one of the first people to introduce me into that whole school of thought. | 因为,你知道,就像我说的, 你是第一个或第一个 把我引入整个思想流派的人。 |
| 31 | And and I just think like when you're young and you're at college or you're at school, you don't really you don't really get exposed to these kind of topics. | 我只是觉得,就像你年轻的时候,你上大学或者上学的时候, 你并没有真正接触到这些话题。 |
| 32 | Where was it for you? And, you know, how did that start for you? | 哪里给你的? 你知道,你是怎么开始的? |
| 33 | I guess I'm not totally sure. I think part of it comes. I'll give you I'll give you some analysis, Jay. | 我想我还不确定 我想它的一部分来了。 我会给你一些分析 杰伊 |
| 34 | I think part of it comes from being a pretty quiet kid growing up. | 我想其中一部分来自于 是一个相当安静的孩子长大。 |
| 35 | I wouldn't say shy, but just kind of a quiet kid, more of an observer, a reader, a kid who went to the library all the time. | 我不会说害羞,但只是 一种安静的孩子, 更多的观察者,一个读者,一个孩子 谁去图书馆所有的时间。 |
| 36 | And so just that sort of putting myself always feeling like I wasn't quite in the center of things, but was kind of on the periphery observing. | 所以,我总是觉得 我并不完全处于事物的中心, 而是在边缘观察。 |
| 37 | And who was I observing? Was there observing these crazy people? And so that I think was I think that was part of it. | 我在观察谁? 有观察这些疯子吗? 所以我觉得那是其中的一部分。 |
| 38 | I also was fortunate enough when I was in college to to study my very first my very first trimester in college, I took introductory to psychology and loved it. | 当我在大学的时候,我也非常幸运地去学习 我大学的第一个学期,我接受了心理学的介绍,并且很喜欢心理学。 |
| 39 | I studied a lot of economics, a lot of psychology. And but I ended up actually majored in linguistics, which is a which is a which is another social science. | 我学习了很多经济学,心理学。 但我最后还是主修语言学, 也就是另一种社会科学。 |
| 40 | So I was always keenly keenly interested in it. I think if I had my if I I can totally see in retrospect in my life that I would have become a professor rather than doing the noble hackery that I'm doing today. | 所以我一直很感兴趣 我想如果我能回顾一下我的生活 我会成为一名教授 而不是做我今天所做的高贵的黑客活动 |
| 41 | No, that's awesome. It's interesting always how people got to where they got to. | 不,这是真棒。 有趣的是,人们总是 如何到达他们得到的地方。 |
| 42 | And I'm fascinated that you haven't fully dissected your journey and like broken it up into little pieces. And I quite like that. I think it's I think it's very humble of you actually. | 我着迷于你还没有完全解剖你的旅程 并且喜欢把它分解成小块。 我很喜欢 我认为这是我觉得 它非常谦卑 实际上你。 |
| 43 | Well, I also think it's thank you for that. I'm not sure that it's humble as it is accurate. I think a lot of times these these different vantage points in looking at these journeys. | 我也觉得谢谢你 我不确定这是谦卑的,因为它是准确的。 我认为很多时候,这些不同的优势点 在看这些旅程。 |
| 44 | And I like the metaphor of a journey, the different vantage points in looking at these journeys. | 我喜欢一个旅程的比喻, 不同的角度看这些旅程。 |
| 45 | So if you're in it and you're in your your your navigating your way, at least for me, there was much, much less intention than one would think. | 所以,如果你在其中,你 在你的导航方式, 至少对我来说, 有很多, 远比一个人会想。 |
| 46 | Luck, that that kind of thing. I think that in some cases, just because it makes us more comfortable existentially, we look back on these things and say, oh, there was a clear narrative to that journey. | 运气,那种东西。 我认为,在某些情况下,仅仅因为它使我们更舒适的存在,我们回顾这些事情,并说,哦,那段旅程有一个明确的叙述。 |
| 47 | Yeah. And there might be I think that that retrospective look is actually valid is valid, too. | 对 我也许认为这种回顾性的外观是有效的。 |
| 48 | Yeah, absolutely. And I know that you spent a lot of time in Japan, right? Or you spent some time in Japan. | 当然 我知道你在日本花了很多时间,对吧? 或者你在日本待过一段时间 |
| 49 | Yeah, I spent some time in Japan. Sure. Yeah. What's the culture like or what kind of influences have you taken from that culture? | 是啊,我在日本待过一段时间 当然 对 你从那种文化中得到了什么样的影响? |
| 50 | Oh, yeah. It's a really, really interesting question. Probably more profound than I realize. I think that one of them is the virtue of simplicity. | 对 这是一个非常非常有趣的问题。 也许比我想象的更深刻 我认为其中之一是简单的好处。 |
| 51 | I think that there and you and you know, and you know, living in a in a Japanese Zen garden style house that that there is in in in Japanese design and in in certain sorts forms of just Japanese culture, there is a premium on that simplicity. | 我认为,在那里,你,你知道,你知道,你知道, 生活在一个日本的禅园风格的房子里, 在日本的设计中, 和在某种形式的 日本文化中, |
| 52 | And I think in many cases, in many realms of particularly American and particularly kind of elite, well-educated American circles, there is this kind of performative complexity. | 我认为,在很多情况下, 在许多领域, 特别是美国精英阶层, 受过良好教育的美国圈子, 都有这种表演的复杂性。 |
| 53 | I mean, forgive even that phrase performative complexity is an example. Well, no, it's total BS because it's an example of performative complexity. | 我的意思是,原谅,即使这句话 表演的复杂性是一个例子。 嗯,不,这是总的BS 因为它是一个 表演复杂性的例子。 |
| 54 | Basically, what it is is that people want to feel smart and the way that they want to feel smart is by making things really complicated. | 基本上,人们想要感觉聪明, 他们想要感觉聪明的方式就是把事情变得非常复杂。 |
| 55 | And to me, one of the things I absorbed from spending time there is actually the keenest form of intelligence is to make things as simple as you possibly simple and clear and elegant as you possibly can, whether you are writing a book, whether you're maki | 对我来说,我从花时间中吸收到的东西之一 实际上最敏锐的智能形式是 使事情变得尽可能简单 简单和优雅 |
| 56 | whether you're building a house, whether you're raising a family, anything like that, that there's a virtue in that kind of simplicity and clarity. | 你是否在建房子,你是否在养家, 诸如此类的东西, 那种简单明了的美德。 |
| 57 | So I think that's probably the thing that sunk in the most for me. | 所以,我认为这可能是 最沉入我体内的东西。 |
| 58 | That's so profound. I'm so glad you shared that. Actually, I didn't know what answer you were going to give. | 这太深了 我很高兴你分享。 其实 我不知道你会给出什么答案 |
| 59 | Neither did I. | 我也一样。 |
| 60 | And I love that because I've always thought that for a while. All my work is inspired by two statements. | 我喜欢因为我一直这样想 我的所有工作都受到两个发言的启发。 |
| 61 | One statement is a statement often attributed to Martin Luther King where he said that if you want a new idea, read an old book. | 一种说法是常归咎于马丁·路德·金(Martin Luther King)的说法,他说如果想要一个新想法,就读一本旧书. |
| 62 | And so I have this fascination with timeless wisdom and kind of truth in the heart. | 所以我有这种迷恋 以永恒的智慧 和那种真理在心中。 |
| 63 | And then the second one is from Einstein and when he said that if you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough. | 第二个来自爱因斯坦,当他说 如果你不能简单地解释一些事情, 你对它的理解不够。 |
| 64 | And so I've always been fascinated with simplification and your work does that very, very effectively apart from performative complexity, which I believe. | 所以我一直对简化很着迷 你的工作非常非常非常有效 除了表演的复杂性之外,我相信。 |
| 65 | I don't know if you just made that up right now, but it's a great. | 我不知道你刚才是不是编的,但很棒 |
| 66 | I did. I did. I did. You can have it because I don't want to ever say it again. | 没错 没错 没错 你可以拥有它 因为我不想再说一遍。 |
| 67 | And sometimes I feel like I feel this pressure is as a as a thinker or a sharer or whatever you want to call us. | 有时候我觉得我的压力 是一个思想家 或分享者 或者任何你想叫我们的东西 |
| 68 | You know, I have this pressure of like, oh, well, maybe I'm making things too easy to understand. | 你知道,我有这种压力 喜欢,哦,嗯, 也许我使事情 太容易理解。 |
| 69 | And actually hearing you say that is so like refreshing for me because I'm like, no, I want people to be able to practice and just get it in one. | 实际上,听到你说这对我来说是那么的清新 因为我喜欢,不,我希望人们能够 练习,并只是得到一个。 |
| 70 | You know, so that's a beautiful part of culture. And what part of the culture did you feel that was the architecture? | 你知道,这是文化中一个美丽的部分。 你觉得建筑是文化的一部分吗? |
| 71 | Was it language? Was it, you know, where was that in the culture? | 是语言吗? 文化里是哪里来的? |
| 72 | I didn't have any mastery of the language that that was hard for me to that. | 我对那对我很困难的语言没有任何了解。 |
| 73 | That was hard for me, although I think there is something, you know, even in the pictorial aspect of the language where a single character, | 这对我来说是很难的,虽然我认为有些东西, 你知道,即使在语言的图片方面 一个单一的角色, |
| 74 | a single image represents something that's actually they can actually something be fairly complex. | 一个单一的图像代表着一些东西, 它们实际上可以使一些东西相当复杂。 |
| 75 | So if you take up a notion that is complex like luck, they'll be a character for luck. | 所以,如果你接受一个像运气一样复杂的概念, 他们将成为幸运的人物。 |
| 76 | I know it's true, obviously, in China. That's true, obviously, in Chinese as well. | 我知道这在中国是真实的 汉语也是 |
| 77 | I just I just thought that when the if you look at even Japanese aesthetics, it's it's it's even Japanese cuisine. | 我只是在想,如果你看看日本的美学, 它甚至就是日本的美食。 |
| 78 | It's unadorned. You know, like really good Japanese cuisine is unadorned. | 无所敬重. 你知道,就像真正的好 日本的烹饪是不值得的。 |
| 79 | It is in French, where there's like Lada and Link sauces and all kinds of stuff on it isn't, you know, heavily garnished and displayed in this grandiose way. | 里面有拉达和林克的酱汁 上面有各种东西 上面没有这么厚厚的衣着 也用这种优雅的方式展示 |
| 80 | It is pure. It is simple. It is unadorned. | 这是纯洁的。 很简单。 这是无畏的。 |
| 81 | The the essence speaks for itself. And there's a there's a there's a there's a lot to be said for that. | 其精华为说. 亦有大乘大乘经论. |
| 82 | Even if you look at like even Japanese cuisine, where you go into a place and all they serve is ramen. | 即使你看起来就像日本菜, 在那里你进入一个地方 他们只服务拉面。 |
| 83 | It's not trying to do everything, but you're going to get the best bowl of ramen you've ever had because that's all they serve. | 它不是想做一切, 但你会得到最好的碗 你曾经有,因为那是他们服务。 |
| 84 | And so I think that that has been that way of thinking has probably had a bigger effect on me than I than I realize. | 所以我认为,这种思维方式对我的影响可能比我想象的要大。 |
| 85 | In fact, in some ways, Jay, your question is making me understand that that had that had a bigger effect, because I do think that their clarity and simplicity to me are such that those are things that I as a as a as a creator and as a consumer apprised ve | 事实上,从某些方面来说,杰伊,你的问题让我明白,这产生了更大的影响, 因为我确实认为,这些对我而言是清晰和简单的, 那些是我作为一个创造者,作为一个消费者,非常,非常,非常了解。 |
| 86 | Yeah, I mean, you're you're a phenomenal public speaker as well. | 是啊,我的意思是,你是一个惊人的 公共演讲器。 |
| 87 | And if anyone's never seen Dan on stage, just go on YouTube and just watch him on stage, whether it's Ted or other events. | 如果有人从未见过丹上台,就上YouTube,看着他上台,无论是泰德还是其他事件. |
| 88 | But have you ever reset simplicity or clarity out of interest? | 但你有没有出于兴趣重新设定过简单或清晰? |
| 89 | Like, are they themes that you see yourself writing about? | 喜欢,这些主题 你看到你自己写? |
| 90 | Or do you ever have you ever been down a rabbit hole on one of those and discovered anything fascinating about simplicity or clarity? | 或者你曾经去过一个兔子洞 在其中之一 发现什么迷人的 简单或清晰? |
| 91 | Because I think you're spot on that really those are the two things we're always seeking out. | 因为我觉得你很在行 我们一直在寻找这两件事 |
| 92 | Right. Whether decision making or whether it's in how we feel about ourselves or a relationship we have in our lives. | 对 无论是决策还是我们对自己的感觉 还是我们生活中的关系 |
| 93 | I'm intrigued because I definitely studied those from a meditation, mindfulness. | 我好奇是因为我绝对研究了那些 冥想,意念。 |
| 94 | Right. Right. Right. | 对 对 对 |
| 95 | But I'm intrigued to hear about if you found anything scientifically that that fascinates you. | 但我很想知道你有没有科学的发现 让你着迷 |
| 96 | Yeah, that's another really interesting question. | 是啊,这是另一个真正有趣的问题。 |
| 97 | I don't think I've ever intentionally gone gone after that. | 我想我从没有故意离开过 |
| 98 | But there is there is a decent amount of there's a decent amount of research showing aspects of this. | 但有相当数量的研究 显示出了这个问题的方方面面。 |
| 99 | So, for instance, so I'll give you I'll give you something profound and something mundane. | 所以,举例来说,我给你一些深刻的东西 和一些普通的东西。 |
| 100 | Right. So so on the on the on the mundane is it's a concept. | 对 因此,关于普通的是一个概念。 |
| 101 | It's a concept in linguistics, which is which is known as processing fluency, processing fluency. | 这是一个在语言学中的概念,它被称为处理流利,处理流利. |
| 102 | And all processing fluency means is that the message, the words, the communication you're making goes down easily. | 所有处理流利意味着 信息,文字,通信 很容易下降。 |
| 103 | All right. So so it goes down easily. | 好吧,我们走。 所以它很容易下来。 |
| 104 | Now, that's a virtue in and of itself. | 这本身就是一种美德 |
| 105 | But one of the things that we know from from linguistics and some from some social psychology is that processing fluency enhances believability, not only understanding, but believability. | 但是,从语言学和一些社会心理学中我们所了解的一件事,就是处理流利性可以增强可信赖性,不仅可以理解,而且可以相信. |
| 106 | And there's a dark side of this, of course. | 当然,这有一个黑暗的一面。 |
| 107 | And so what you see is that things that enhance processing fluency are effective in getting your message across. | 所以,你所看到的是, 提高处理流利性的东西 能够有效地传达你的信息。 |
| 108 | An example would be repetition. | 一个例子是重复。 |
| 109 | OK, we know that like repetition is effective. | 好吧,我们知道,像重复是有效的。 |
| 110 | Repetition increases people's understanding. | 复次增上众生知见. |
| 111 | It increases their believability. | 它增加了他们的信仰。 |
| 112 | Now, there's a downside. There's a downside to that. | 现在,有一个缺点。 亦有下义. |
| 113 | Even things like rhyming, there's some brilliant research showing that that that messages that rhyme are not only considered more understandable, but actually more believable. | 即使是韵律之类的东西,也有一些辉煌的研究表明,那些韵律的信息不仅被认为更容易理解,而且实际上更可信. |
| 114 | Alliteration lists and things like that. | 拼写列表和类似的东西。 |
| 115 | So so we do know something from science that that clarity and simplicity are obviously extraordinarily are extraordinarily effective. | 因此,我们从科学中知道,这种清晰和简单显然非常有效。 |
| 116 | That's the mundane rhymes increase processing fluency. | 也就是普通韵律增加处理流利度. |
| 117 | I think the more profound thing is that when you look at, say, things like your listeners, your some of your listeners are probably familiar with the famous grant study out of Harvard, where they followed a group of men. | 我想更深刻的是 当你看着,比如说,你的听众, 你的一些听众 可能熟悉哈佛大学著名的奖学金研究, 他们跟随一群人。 |
| 118 | It was at the time is all men. | 当时一切众生. |
| 119 | I think it was all white men in graduated from Harvard in 1940, something like that. | 应该是1940年毕业于哈佛大学的白人吧 |
| 120 | I might be a little bit off in the years. | 这些年我可能有点过节了 |
| 121 | And they followed them through the course of their lives, checking a massive longitudinal study. | 他们跟踪他们度过了一生, 检查了一个巨大的纵向研究。 |
| 122 | They also did it with they later did a group of working class men, all men from from Boston. | 他们也这样做了,他们后来做了一批工人阶级的人,都是波士顿人. |
| 123 | And one of the things that you see from the grant study is that what makes somebody satisfied, what makes somebody happy with their life. | 从助学金研究中你看到的一件事是, 是什么让某人满意,是什么让某人对自己的生活快乐。 |
| 124 | And it turned out that it's completely unadorned. | 结果发现它完全不受尊重. |
| 125 | It's basically do you have somebody you love and do you have people who love you. | 基本上你有你爱的人 还有爱你的人 |
| 126 | Period. Full stop. That's it. | 期间。 完全停下来。 就这样 |
| 127 | Yeah. So the adornment that we were talking about in Japanese cuisine that lack of adornment in Japanese cuisine is that are the best lives in some ways are unadorned lives that lives that are not adorned by the trappings of wealth or performative complex | 对 所以,我们在日本菜中讲的 缺乏日式菜饰的花饰 在某些方面,最好的生活 是无所畏惧的生活 生活不是被 财富的陷阱 或表演的复杂性 或姿态或 |
| 128 | status seeking, but are the simplicity of do you have people who love you and do you have people you love? | 寻找身份,但简单的是 你有爱你的人 有你爱的人吗? |
| 129 | Yeah, that that is truly one of the hardest things to understand right now as well, because, you know, I was literally speaking to on another podcast interviewing Peter Diamandis recently, and, you know, he's obsessed with the future. | 是啊,这是目前最难理解的事情之一, 因为,你知道,我正和另一个播客谈话 采访彼得·迪亚曼迪斯最近, 你知道,他迷恋未来。 |
| 130 | And we're talking about how, you know, he thinks the world's improving and the future is changing. | 我们谈论的是,你知道,他如何认为世界的改善和未来的改变。 |
| 131 | And like we could we could live on another planet and we could, you know, do all this kind of stuff. | 就像我们可以生活在另一个星球, 我们可以做所有这些事情。 |
| 132 | And it's, you know, at the same time, I remember a couple of years ago, I got to visit one of the Blue Zones in Sardinia. | 而且,你知道, 同时,我记得几年前, 我得去撒丁岛的一个蓝区。 |
| 133 | I don't know if you've come across Blue Zones. I'm sure you have. | 我不知道你是否见过蓝区 我敢肯定,你已经。 |
| 134 | I know. I know. I've actually ordered. I've actually there's a there's a there's a wine from that from Sardinia. | 我知道,我记得 我知道,我记得 其实我订了 我其实有撒丁岛的葡萄酒 |
| 135 | The grape I'm spacing out on what the varietal is. I've actually gone out and looked and ordered wine from Sardinia because for that very reason. | 葡萄,我正在间隔什么是变种。 事实上,我出去找了一下 从撒丁岛订购葡萄酒 因为这个原因。 |
| 136 | Oh, that's incredible. OK, what a small world. So I don't drink. I have no idea what that wine is or those help you out. | 哦,这是不可思议的。 好吧,真是个小世界。 故不饮. 我不知道是什么酒 或那些帮助你。 |
| 137 | But but yeah, so when I went there and I was, you know, I lived with some of the people in the town in the village and I was looking at their lifestyles. | 但是,是的,所以当我去那里, 我,你知道, 我住在一些人 在镇上 在村里, |
| 138 | 我还采访了Dan Buettner, 他谈到了蓝区。 | |
| 139 | And, you know, it's you look at that simplicity and you look at that, you know, that stability of like growing up in a village, farming the land, natural exercise, not needing to do any hip workouts or any any weights exercises. | 你知道,你看看那简单,你看看, 你知道,就像在村庄里长大一样的稳定性, 耕种土地,自然运动, 不需要做任何臀部运动或任何重量运动。 |
| 140 | So it is it is really, really special to see that. | 所以,这是非常,非常特别的 看到这一点。 |
| 141 | And I like trying to entertain the paradox of what parts of our lives are better simpler and what parts of our lives are better with some and maybe complexity is the wrong word. | 我喜欢想象一个悖论, 即我们生活中哪些部分更简单, 哪些部分生活更好, 有一些,也许复杂是错的词。 |
| 142 | Yeah, complexity. Not even the opposite of simplicity. Maybe there's another point. That's a great point. | 是啊,复杂。 甚至不与简单相反。 也许还有另外一点 说得好 |
| 143 | Yeah. Maybe there's another element like not the opposite of simplicity, but a complementary paradoxical version of simplicity that because I find in and of myself. | 对 也许还有另一个元素, 不像简单, 而是互补的矛盾的简单版本, 因为我发现我自己。 |
| 144 | And I'd love to hear what you think. Like I what I get fascinated about excited about is the correlation between simplicity and then strategy. | 我很想听听你的看法 像我一样,我对兴奋着迷的是 简单和策略之间的关联。 |
| 145 | Right. Like like simplicity and then like ambition or drive or focus. | 对 比如简单,然后是野心,驱动或专注。 |
| 146 | And and I find like often today people, you know, people may connect simplicity with laziness or lack of focus or, you know, that but we ought to be given a much more deeper, essential level of clarity. | 我发现,像今天一样,人们,你知道, 人们可能把简单与懒惰或缺乏重点联系起来, 或者,你知道,我们应该得到更深入,更必要的清晰度。 |
| 147 | Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. It's interesting. There is a it's an interesting it's in some ways a linguistic question. No joke about like what's the right word to describe what you and I are talking about because I feel like you and I are talking abo | 是的,是的,我想这是正确的。 这很有趣。 有一个有趣的问题 在某些方面是一个语言问题 没有笑话,像什么是正确的词 来描述你和我在谈论什么 因为我感觉你和我在谈论的东西。 |
| 148 | Well, at least what I think is important and quite interesting, but our vocabulary that or at least in English might be impoverished and doesn't have the quite right term for that. | 至少我认为很重要而且很有趣 但我们的词汇 或至少用英语来说 可能很穷 而且没有合适的术语 |
| 149 | I think you used a really important word there essential. It's partly about what you know what is what is what is fundamental and I do think that this idea that that we know that simplicity and ambition can be easily twin. | 我认为你用了一个很重要的词 那里至关重要。 这部分是关于你知道什么是基本的东西, 我认为这个想法,我们知道 简单和雄心是很容易的双胞胎。 |
| 150 | No question about it. I mean you you mentioned that one of your guiding quotations was from was from what was from Einstein who was talking about simplicity and he ended up I mean among his among his breakthroughs were something that is so profoundly comp | 毫无疑问 我的意思是,你提到, 你的指导引言之一 是来自爱因斯坦 他谈论的简单, 他最后在他的突破中 是一个非常复杂的东西, 以至于我们大多数人 无法理解它 超越我们记住的方程式 在七年级。 |
| 151 | Yeah, it's very true it is very very true and that challenge is real but talking of essentials I do want to talk about because I think this book is so essentially driven so for everyone who hasn't read it and I have recommended it before we have this book | 是的,这是非常真实的, 挑战是真实的, 但谈论一些我确实想谈论的要点 因为我认为这本书 本质上是如此驱动 所以对于所有没有读过它的人来说 |
| 152 | I think time is one of those things you know how we use time spend time create time what we make time for like time is one of those things that of course is and the way we use an essential essential essential part of all of our lives and I think when we'r | 我认为时间是其中之一 你知道我们如何使用时间 创造时间 我们创造时间 就像时间是其中之一 |
| 153 | I think one of the biggest things we lack simplicity and clarity on is time and and for me I definitely noticed how over life especially when your book came out I've tried to remove people from having to live their life based on a timeline or an expectati | 我认为我们最缺乏简洁和清晰的一件事就是时间,对于我来说,我绝对注意到 一生如何,特别是当你的书出来的时候 我试图让人们摆脱 不得不根据时间或期望生活的生活, |
| 154 | different direction whereby I became a monk at 22 and didn't have my first job until 26 and today lead one of the most meaningful fulfilling lives in the world thanks to all my experiences and so it's just it's fascinating there were times in my life wher | 不同的方向,我22岁成为了僧侣,直到26岁才有了第一份工作,今天,由于我的所有经历,我领导着世界上最有意义的生活之一,所以我一生中有些时候感觉很迷人,我觉得我应该和它保持一致,有些时候我觉得我比别人先,有些时候我觉得我试着想明白,很多人通常觉得自己在后面。 |
| 155 | ahead or equal to and that's kind of how we make sense of stuff and that's what when this book came out which I know is like maybe a year ago year and a half ago maybe a couple years ago now it's to me that was I was fascinated that you were able to pinpo | 这本书是一年半前的 也许几年前的... ...现在我觉得很迷惑... |
| 156 | fascinates you about time the most that you were so deeply drawn to actually write a whole book about time yeah so that is actually I'm gonna put the answer to that in more of the mundane category the reason for the impetus for it was just frustration mor | 让你着迷于时间,你被深深吸引 真正写一整本关于时间的书 是的,实际上,我要把答案 更多的普通类 它的动力的原因只是挫折感 比其他任何东西都多 |
| 157 | refurbished one-car garage behind my house I live there like right there and so you know I would come to my office and do stuff do work and at a certain point I realized like I would have a I have a to-do list and maybe I would have appointments on the ca | 在我家后面翻新了一辆车的车库 我住在那里 就像在那里一样 所以你知道我会来我的办公室做一些事情 |
| 158 | doing interview you know and I wasn't intentional about it and I said that's that's great that's that's crazy like like like I end up I I'm actually a fairly kind of rational I'd like to think I am at least fairly rational evidence-based guy and and I'm m | 面试时我不是故意的 我说这很好 疯狂的,就像我结束了一样 我其实是个相当理性的人 我想至少是相当理性的循证人 |
| 159 | I wonder if anybody's ever researched this so I started looking around for research and it turned out there was a huge amount of research on this question but it was splattered all over the place it was in literally two dozen different domains so it wasn' | 我怀疑是否有人研究过这个结果 于是我开始四处寻找研究 结果发现这个问题的研究量很大 但是它被溅遍了整个地方 它在几乎二十多个不同的领域 所以不像你说的 |
| 160 | fields asking very similar in some cases identical questions and what I said is like maybe you know it was painful but if I go wide enough and deep enough into this research I can begin to piece together the evidence-based ways to make better smarter deci | 问一些非常相似的问题,而我所说的是... ...也许你知道这很痛苦... ...但如果我足够深入地深入到这个研究... ...... |
| 161 | have beginnings they have middles and they have ends and it turns out that there is some fascinating research on how our cognitive abilities change over the course of the day and then more episodically how beginnings affect us how midpoints affect us how | 开始它们有中间点,它们有终点, 结果是,有一些令人着迷的研究 关于我们的认知能力 如何在白天变化, 然后更典型地说 开始如何影响我们 如何影响中点 如何影响我们 结局。 |
| 162 | it can predict people's savings behavior as crazy as that sounds and so so it ends up being something that is going back to another one another one of your words it ends up being essential it ends up being fundamental because we are temporal creatures tha | 它可以预测人们的储蓄行为,就像听起来疯狂一样, 所以它最终是的东西 正在回到另一个 你的话之一 它最终是不可或缺的 它最终是根本性的 因为我们是时空生物, |
| 163 | clocks in every cell in our body i mean we are walking time pieces and again depending on your notion of time sort of philosophically existentially we are in some ways moving through time at the very least our conversation began in the past that right it' | 我们身体每个细胞的钟表, 我的意思是,我们正在走时间片段, 再一次取决于你对时间的概念 某种哲学上的存在,我们在某些方面 穿越时间,至少我们的对话开始于过去, |
| 164 | element of our lives and so what i was just trying to do is just make it understandable yeah and i and i think you did a phenomenal job and so i want to dive into different parts of i guess my first question is like there's actually there's a few things s | 所以,我只是想做 只是让它得到理解 是的,我想你做了一个惊人的工作 所以我想潜入 不同的地方 我想,我的第一个问题 是像实际上有一些事情 所以,第一个是 我想最常见的关系, 当然我在这里做出一个巨大的假设... ... |
| 165 | with money we have a relationship with time we have a relationship with anything knowledge wisdom etc and so our relationship with time for most people is i always feel like i don't have enough right that is a very clear relationship that we all have a ti | 和时间的关系 我们和时间的关系 我们和任何知识智慧的关系... ... ...... |
| 166 | actually affect our behavior our relationship with time we can think of it as an ally we can think of it as an enemy in some ways that's over that's oversimplifying in that case but i think what we're trying to and one way to make time your ally rather th | 实际上影响我们的行为 时间的关系 我们可以把它当作一个盟友 我们可以把它当作一个敌人 在某些方面已经过去了 那种事情已经过分简单化了 但是我想我们试图... |
| 167 | array of research is that our brain power does not remain constant over the course of the day our brain power changes over the course of the day uh so doing something at nine a.m. is not the same as doing something at three p.m. period full stop now there | 研究是,我们的大脑力量在一天的时间里没有保持不变 我们的大脑力量在一天的时间里变化 所以在上午9点做一些事情 和在下午3点做一些事情是不一样的 |
| 168 | ally rather than your enemy and end up mitigating some of those feelings that you never that one never has enough time um so so i think that's i think that's part of what it is people who feel like they don't have enough time this is not something i write | 而不是你的敌人 最终缓解一些感觉 你从来没有 一个人从来没有 有足够的时间,嗯,所以我认为这是的一部分 人谁觉得他们没有 足够的时间 |
| 169 | priorities and so they're moving in all kinds of that's not always the case but i think that's that's partly the case the other thing that we know is that when time becomes extremely salient in our lives we underperform uh and i'll give you uh in certain | 所以,他们移动 在所有类型的 情况并不总是如此, 但我认为这部分情况 我们所知道的另一件事 是,当时间变得 极其突出 在我们的生活, |
| 170 | government or doing that or or a non-profit or something uh you bill yourself out by the hour and so what you do is that you have you know a way to well i'm i'm going analog here but you you have on your computer or you know scribbled down uh an account o | 或者说政府或非盈利机构或什么的 一小时后你就会自己开出账单 所以你知道一个办法 我在这里做模拟 但你在电脑上写过 |
| 171 | in our relationship with time that if we reconfigure it we can feel a little bit better do a little bit more and better yeah that's that that's that's what i think that makes a that that answer and all the parts would make a lot of sense i think the the p | 在我们与时间的关系上,如果我们能重新配置它, 我们可以感觉更好一点 做多一点,更好。 是啊,这就是我的想法 使一个答案 和所有部分会有很多意义。 我认为,这个部分,我真正感兴趣 通过 当我们开始谈论时间, |
| 172 | because i feel like today one of the biggest challenges that i get asked at least and and maybe your children experience this or maybe what i see outside in the world of social media is a lot of people today spend a lot of time overthinking and procrastin | 因为我觉得今天是最大的挑战之一 我至少被问到,也许你的孩子体验了这个 或者也许我在社交媒体世界外面看到的 是很多人今天花了很多时间 过度思考和拖延, 被看成是负面的事物 人们往往害怕过度思考 害怕拖延,或者他们自己判断 然后他们开始进入这种 |
| 173 | tell me about what you found or even your thoughts on on productivity as a goal of time versus the the effective use if possible of procrastination and overthinking uh procrastination and productivity okay let's talk about what productivity is i'm going t | 告诉我你发现了什么,甚至你对生产力的想法 作为时间的目标 相对于有效使用 如果可能的话 拖延和过度思考 拖延和生产力 好吧,让我们谈谈什么生产力 我将在今年的字面化 生产力是你的生产单位数量 在一定的时间内, |
| 174 | is necessarily the best measure i say that as a writer okay so i could be like like i could be a product like suppose i wrote more words per hour today versus yesterday i would literally be more productive but am i am i a better writer i don't know it's p | 肯定是最好的衡量标准,我说作为一个作家 好吧,我可以像 我可以成为一个产品 像假设我写了更多的字 每小时与昨天 我字面上会更有成效 但我是一个更好的作家 我不知道它可能并不重要 什么样的词是正确的,嗯,所以在某些方面,生产力 是生产力的概念 在这个非常字面意义上是一篇文章。 |
| 175 | artifact of our being an economy where we were producing identical mass-produced goods and so efficiency was the was the highest value because everything was the same and so what you wanted to do was in a given denominator make the numerator larger okay t | 我们是一个经济,我们生产同样的 大量生产商品 所以效率是最高值 因为一切都是一样的 所以,你想要做的是在一个特定的分母 使数字变大 |
| 176 | is i think a way to um you know a looser way to measure things is is quality and quality contribution impact those sorts of things uh and certainly for certain kinds of professions like like being a writer writing more words is no measure of my contributi | 我想用一种比较宽松的方法来衡量事物 是质量 质量贡献 影响这些事物... 当然,对于某些职业 比如写更多的词 |
| 177 | of anything now let's let's talk about let's not let's talk about procrastination because we know a lot about procrastination okay okay two two big ideas here one procrastination is not always bad okay sometimes you're procrastinating for a reason because | 我们不要谈论拖延 因为我们知道很多关于拖延的问题 有两个大点子在这里 一个拖延不是总坏的 有时候你拖延的原因 因为你还没想好 |
| 178 | just an emotion regulation problem right it has nothing to do with time it means that you are unwilling to confront something and therefore are not completely something is so disturbing to you that you would rather actually sabotage yourself than confront | 只是情绪调节问题 和时间无关 意味着你不愿面对某件事 因此也不是完全的东西 |
| 179 | that in some ways you're making a quasi-rational decision that the pain of confronting man can i really write this is greater than actually not writing it in the first place and so so we know this from a lot of research | 在某些方面,你正在做一个准理性的决定, 面对人类的痛苦,我可以真正写出来 这比实际上不写它 首先, 所以我们知道这一点 从很多研究 |
| 180 | procrastination is an emotion regulation issue and so what you have to think about is what is the emotion that you're avoiding and is there a small step is there a way in some ways to trick yourself into either confronting it directly or to do something t | 拖延是一个情绪调节问题,所以你必须思考的是 你所避免的情绪是什么 并且有一个小步骤是 在某些方面有办法 欺骗自己 要么直接面对它 要么做一些事情 只是让自己去, |
| 181 | signal it could mean that hey it's i'm still incubating this yeah that's a that's a great answer i i i love that perception because i think i think as soon as you start labeling and going oh my procrastination is bad and this is not a place to be in you'r | 信号,它可能意味着,我仍然孵化 这是啊,这是一个伟大的答案 我喜欢这种感觉 因为我认为一旦你开始 标签和去 哦,我的拖延是不好的 |
| 182 | you know knowing when to start a business or knowing when to start a project is like the hardest thing in the world and you know i'm sure you get asked this a million times but like tell us about the research behind starting something and and what you fou | 你知道什么时候开始一个企业 或者什么时候开始一个项目 就像是世界上最难的事情 我敢肯定,你被问了上万次 但就像告诉我们 背后的研究 |
| 183 | work of katie milkman jason reese and heng chen dai they did it at penn uh university of minnesota and they had this idea of of um what they call the fresh it's called the fresh start effect and a way to understand the first start effect is like this that | Katie Milkman jason Reese和Heng chen dai的作品 他们在minesota的Penn uh大学做了这些 他们的想法是,嗯,他们称之为新鲜的 它叫做新的开始效应 一种理解第一个开始效应的方法是这样的: 某些日期 某些日期是社会心理学家所谓的时间标志 |
| 184 | navigating your way you're trying to find your way oh there's a landmark i know where i am oh there's that building i have a sense of where i am temporal landmarks are navigational tools in some ways but certain temporal landmarks have a peculiar psycholo | 导航你的方式 你试图找到你的方式 哦,有一个里程碑 我知道在哪里 哦,有大楼 我有一种感觉 哪里是时间标志 是导航工具 在某些方面 但某些时间标志 具有特殊的心理效果 他们做的是 他们基本上 运行 一种重新启动 |
| 185 | all right and so there's certain days that actually are more you're more likely to start something and you're more likely to succeed while starting it so what does this mean let's let's be concrete here you want to start something you're probably better o | 好吧,所以有 某些日子,实际上更多的 你更有可能开始的东西, 你更有可能成功 同时开始它, |
| 186 | observant you know uh you know the day after uh or the day of a religious holiday rather than four days before that religious holiday uh and so you can in some ways use have that sense of where you are temporally and pick the right date to start something | 观察者你知道,呃,你知道 第二天,呃或宗教节日 而不是宗教节日的四天... ... 所以你可以在某些方面 感觉你的时间 选择正确的日期 开始的东西。 |
| 187 | that's a mixed bag it depends on it depends on on how deep the failure was on uh it depends on how deep the failure was on tuesday now there's another strategy for all of this yeah please is which on all of this i mean it's it's reasonably well known and | 这取决于失败的深度 取决于周二失败的深度 |
| 188 | into the idea of moonshots and big hairy audacious goals i think that they're important but i think that they're oversold in a way and what's undersold just think about it just think about as a pricing issue okay so the so so the big hairy audacious goals | 我认为它们很重要 但我认为它们卖得太高了 卖得少的东西只是把它当作一个定价问题来考虑 |
| 189 | wins do is that they small wins can overcome that procrastination problem small wins can then lead to other small wins and other small wins that cascade into something into something bigger so a strategy for overcoming procrastination a strategy for many | 胜负是小赢家可以克服拖延问题 小赢家可以导致其他小赢家 和其他小赢家 连结到更大的事情 所以克服拖延的策略 |
| 190 | but j letter j and uh that's just that and that stands for just five more okay and so if you don't feel like doing something you say okay you know what i'm going to do uh man okay so i'm so i'm doing some research right now okay i have these papers some o | 但是J字母j和呃,这只是 代表只是5个更好, 所以如果你不 想做一些事情, |
| 191 | i'm gonna just do five five more five more emails and we'll do that um uh you know what i'm tired of writing okay just five more sentences that's it and that you know that can get us going give you a small win and what happens a lot of times is that just | 我还会再写五封五封邮件 然后我们再写一遍 嗯... ...你知道我厌倦了写作... |
| 192 | god i i can't bear the it's okay i'm just gonna i've already answered enough email i'm like okay just five more and you know what i did i just i did that and i got it done and i probably ended up answering eight or something like that another one a very w | 我受不了了,我只是要去 我已经回答了足够的电子邮件 ... ... ... ... ...我就像好了,只是五个... |
| 193 | um you know you set a a timer i i have one on my computer uh that i use in on very dark days uh i set a timer for whatever i do it for 25 minutes and like i just can't bear this okay i can't research this anymore i can't read this anymore i'm sick of writ | 你知道,你设置了一个计时器,我有一个 我在我的计算机上... ...我用在非常黑暗的日子... |
| 194 | large theoretical lesson and it's this all right that a lot of times in our understanding of what makes human beings tick we think that belief precedes action that you have to convince yourself and then that is the impetus to act and in many cases more ca | 伟大的理论教训,这是所有的权利, 在我们理解是什么 使人类滴答,我们认为,信仰先于行动, 你必须说服自己, 然后这就是行动的动力, 在许多情况下,我们意识到 箭射向另一个方向, |
| 195 | lesson that's so true and that's really it's kind of like when we're like i can't make my mind up right like even that saying is exactly in that belief where you're just spending so much time trying to make your mind up and decide something and and what i | 教训是如此真实,真的 就像当我们像我不能做 我的想法正确,即使说 正是在这个信念中 你只是花这么多时间 让你的头脑和决定的东西 |
| 196 | you can then trust yourself with bigger trust the problem is like you said is that we go for these moonshot goals and naturally we fail at them and therefore we don't trust ourselves and and i feel like self-trust is like the big issue when it comes with | 你可以更信任自己 问题是你说过,我们去参加这些月球射击 并且我们自然失败了 因此我们不信任自己 并且我觉得在时间到来的时候 自我信任就像一个大问题 |
| 197 | yourself i'll give you something else uh that builds trust with yourself that's related to this concept which is uh again is research-based it's built on uh talk i i i've written about this i wrote about it in that book um i've talked about it before is u | 我会给你一些与自己建立信任的东西 与这个概念有关... ...这又是基于研究... |
| 198 | have a good sense of how much progress we're making um and so one of the so one of the things that i've done for this is now for like eight or nine years now is um at the end of every day i have a progress what you know called a progress ritual and all i | 很清楚我们取得了多少进展 所以现在我为此做了八九年的其中一件事 就是每天的末日... ...我有个进展... |
| 199 | doing it so i sit so i just take a moment it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a ritual all right and you know i don't have to tell you former monk the importance of rituals in in in human understanding right so it's a it's a ritual it's a punctuation mark at | 这样我坐着,所以我需要点时间 它是一个,它是一个,它是一个仪式 所有的权利,你知道我不必告诉你 前僧侣 仪式的重要性 在人类理解 |
| 200 | progress they're making yeah besides you can do it for yourself but yeah how do you do for others i mean you could do you could do a you could do a version of what i'm talking about for your for your team i mean what i would want to do is is i would want | 他们正在进步 除了你可以为自己做外... ...你如何为别人做... ... 我的意思是你可以做一个版本... |
| 201 | build that habit and then eventually have them continue the habit without sending it to you | 养成这种习惯,最后让他们继续这种习惯而不寄给你 |
| 202 | yeah absolutely i'm going to try i'm actually going to try that out i'm i'm 100 going to try that what did | 是啊,我绝对会尝试 我实际上要去尝试 出来,我100我会尝试 |
| 203 | you get done today just write down the things you get done i mean i mean it's a very simple concept we | 今天你完成的只是记下你所做的一切 我的意思是这是一个很简单的概念 |
| 204 | always we often have a to-do list at the beginning of the day like have a done list at the end of the | 一天开始时我们总是有一个待办事宜列表 就像一天结束时有一个完成的列表 |
| 205 | day and it's almost like gamifying your mind right because you know that if you got three things done | 一天,这几乎就像游戏 你的思想正确 因为你知道 如果你做了三件事 |
| 206 | yesterday you might want to get four done today so you push a bit further right i think a lot of | 昨天你今天也许想把四个人弄完 这样你就能再往前推一点 |
| 207 | times also when we're scrambling around we don't have a sense of what we what we've accomplished | 当我们到处乱跑的时候 我们没有感觉我们的成就 |
| 208 | sometimes it can be and sometimes it can be um uh it can be affirming so i know that many days | 有时可以,有时可以,嗯... ...可以肯定,所以我知道很多天 |
| 209 | where i feel like i haven't gotten anything done during the course of a day i stop and i do my | 我觉得我一天里没做什么 我停下来做我的工作 |
| 210 | little progress ritual again we're talking like jake 30 seconds yeah um not anything elaborate | 我们说话像Jake 30秒。 |
| 211 | um i'm like oh oh okay i actually got more done than today and then on the days where i didn't | 嗯,我就像哦,哦,好吧 我得到了更多的工作 今天,然后,当我没有 |
| 212 | get much done you're like oh come on man you gotta you gotta do a little bit better than this come | 做很多事,你就像哦 来吧,伙计,你必须做 一点点好过这个来 |
| 213 | back you're coaching yourself you're coaching yeah that's a good way to put it you're in many | 回来你辅导自己 你是教练 是的,这是一个很好的方法 说,你是在很多 |
| 214 | ways you are what you're doing is you're just giving yourself you know you're coaching if you | 你正在做的是,你只是给自己... ...你知道你在辅导,如果你 |
| 215 | think about it like a like a like a sport it's like like a like in in in in track and field or | 想想看,就像运动一样 就像在田径里一样 |
| 216 | in swimming or something like that your coach is there with a stopwatch saying here was your time | 游泳什么的 你的教练在那边 有个守望台说这是你的时间 |
| 217 | today okay uh or you know here's how much you lifted today um you have a sense of you know are | 今天还好 或者你知道你今天举了多少... 你有一种感觉,你知道 |
| 218 | you making progress or you're not making progress yeah one i love that one thing i want my audience | 要么你进步了 要么你没有进步了 我喜欢我想要的观众 |
| 219 | everyone who's listening right now or watching i want you to be aware of is that literally | 现在在听或者在看的每个人都要知道 |
| 220 | dan in this book breaks out everything from like productivity i've done some of the tests with you | Dan在这本书里从生产力中 挑出一切 我和你做过一些测试 |
| 221 | guys before and i've shared the book when we talked about um you know all all of the different | 以前我和大家分享过书,我们谈论过... 你知道所有不同的 |
| 222 | productivity times for different types of people based on what time you sleep and what time you | 不同类型人群的生产率时间 取决于你睡觉的时间和时间 |
| 223 | wake up the naps breaks i'm not gonna ask dan all those questions because they're in the book and | 把午睡吵醒 我不会问丹 所有这些问题 因为他们在书里 |
| 224 | that's why i recommend the book i i want to ask dan stuff that isn't in the book or is extending | 所以我推荐这本书 我想问丹的东西 没有在书里或正在扩展 |
| 225 | the books and and part i think one of the biggest questions i do get asked that i do want to talk | 书和部分 我觉得一个最大的问题 我确实被问到 我想谈谈 |
| 226 | about is relationships because i think dating and getting married and knowing when to either pop the | 谈恋爱,因为我想约会 结婚,知道什么时候可以 |
| 227 | question or when you should expect the question like these are like these are like some of the | 问题,或者你应该 期待这样的问题 是这样的,这是一些 |
| 228 | biggest challenges in in the world for on a personal individual level for people and so | 世界上最大的挑战 个人层面的人,因此 |
| 229 | tell me about some of the work that you found when it came to not just like when's the best time to | 告诉我一些你找到的工作 当它来 不只是像什么时候是最好的时机 |
| 230 | get married but it's almost like when did people when did or what did you find when people said | 结婚,但几乎就像什么时候 人们什么时候做,或者你发现什么 当人们说 |
| 231 | they knew or they felt they'd found the right person yeah that one is that one is more inscrutable | 他们知道,或者他们觉得 他们找到了合适的人 是的,一个是 一个人更难理解 |
| 232 | i have to say um uh i wrote about that only very very tentatively because i wasn't sure about the | 我不得不说,呃,我写的只是非常暂时的 因为我不确定 |
| 233 | research on that i mean it you know what what it says is that um in general in america marriages | 我意思是 你知道它说什么 在美国婚姻中 |
| 234 | are more likely to last if people get married after age 25 and before age i think 34 somewhere | 如果人们在25岁之后结婚 和在25岁之前结婚 更可能持续到34岁 |
| 235 | around there uh but again that doesn't mean if you get married at age 35 you're going to get a | 在那里,但再次,不意味着 如果你结婚 在35岁,你会得到一个 |
| 236 | divorce you get married at 28 i mean it's just like there's a slight there's a slight effect there | 28岁就离婚了,我意思是... ...就像有一点点... |
| 237 | are some interesting effects on um especially in america today people with more formal education | 特别是在今天的美国 受过更正式教育的人 |
| 238 | are more likely to get married and stay married people with less formal education are less likely | 更可能结婚 留在已婚的人 受教育程度较低 不太可能 |
| 239 | to get married and less likely to stay married if they are uh and there's also seems to be an | 结婚 结婚的可能性小 如果他们是 呃... |
| 240 | effect whatever your level of education on getting married after you complete your education rather | 在完成学业后结婚时 无论受过什么程度的教育 |
| 241 | than before but again i don't think you take those large population insights to make a decision about | 之前是的,但还是不认为 你拿这些大 人口洞察力来决定 |
| 242 | whether you're going to spend the rest of your life with someone you love i can recommend a book | 你是否打算和你爱的人共度余生 我可以推荐一本书 |
| 243 | that is um uh well one of the leading scholars of of marriage um really the social psychology | 嗯,嗯,嗯... ... ...... |
| 244 | of marriage is at northwestern his name is eli finkel uh he wrote a very good book called the | 他写了一本非常好的书 叫做 |
| 245 | all or nothing marriage about how marriage has about how marriage has changed uh a lot of what | 婚姻是怎样的 婚姻是怎样改变的 |
| 246 | we know about healthy marriages and also how marriage has changed in america over the last | 我们了解健康的婚姻 以及美国过去婚姻的变化 |
| 247 | 200 years it's a it's a really really it's a very very interesting book all or nothing marriage | 200年了,这是一本真的 真的,这是一本非常有趣的书 所有或没有婚姻 |
| 248 | 是啊,所有或没有 婚姻由Eli eli Finchel... ... | |
| 249 | really good research uh in there and there are some relationship advice in there too | 非常好的研究 呃 里面也有一些关系建议 |
| 250 | um you know among the most important things are um you know what do you attribute to someone's | 嗯,你知道最重要的事情是... 你知道你认为什么是某人的 |
| 251 | inherent personality and what do you attribute to circumstance so if your spouse so if your spouse | 固有人格,以及你将什么归结于情况。 |
| 252 | snaps at you say uh you say oh my god my spouse is the biggest jerk there ever was or do you say oh | 你说,哦,我的上帝,我的配偶 是有史以来最大的混蛋,或者你说,哦。 |
| 253 | my spouse is having a bad day and people can make the attribution that it's circumstantial | 我的配偶有一个糟糕的一天 人们可以做出 归属是间接的 |
| 254 | not surprisingly end up better off than people who say you know attribute the behavior to | 没想到会比那些说你知道 将行为归罪于 |
| 255 | someone's inner jerkiness right yeah no it would be fascinating also to look at things like | 某人的内在自大 对,不,它会是迷人 也看的东西喜欢 |
| 256 | amount of time couples spend together but amount of time couples spend arguing | 夫妻在一起度过的时间,但夫妻在争吵的时间 |
| 257 | on useful arguments maybe too yeah there's other there's other there's other research out there | 对有用的论点来说也许太重要了 对 还有其他研究 |
| 258 | 有个叫Goman的人... ...我想是的,John. | |
| 259 | yeah yeah he's done some research on on marriage and you know one of the not this is not surprising | 是啊,是啊,他做了一些研究 关于婚姻,你知道 其中一个不 这是不足为奇的 |
| 260 | one of the biggest um things that you see is if i'm not if i'm characterizing it right is not | 其中一个最大的嗯,你看到的是 如果我不是 如果我的定性是正确的是不 |
| 261 | arguing per se but how people argue yes um and um and so somebody has to do with the attribution | 争论本身,但人们如何争论 是,嗯,嗯,所以有人 与归属 |
| 262 | the other thing one of the biggest signals i think in gotman's research is uh when people express | 另一件事,我认为最大的信号之一 在盖德曼的研究是... 当人们表达 |
| 263 | contempt for their partner not surprisingly that's a marker of things gone awry yeah yeah you're | 轻视他们的搭档 并不奇怪 这是错事的标志 |
| 264 | right he talks about learning how to fight uh is the number one skill needed in a relationship not | 好吧,他谈论学习 如何战斗,呃 是头号技能 在关系需要 |
| 265 | knowing how to plan date night or how to uh you know just how to communicate about it specifically | 你知道如何规划约会之夜 或如何,呃... 你知道如何具体地沟通 |
| 266 | fight and uh yeah really useful one thing i want to definitely dive into today is around this and | 战斗,嗯,是啊,真的有用 一件事我绝对想 潜入今天是围绕这一点, |
| 267 | you talk about in the book is about you know when's the right time to end something because i think | 你在书里讲的是你知道什么时候该结束一些事情 因为我觉得 |
| 268 | we're always fascinated about and we talked about that like when do you know when you should start | 我们总是很着迷,我们谈论 喜欢何时你知道什么时候开始 |
| 269 | something when the perfect time to start i think one of the things we're not very aware of when | 当最合适开始的时候 我想到我们不太清楚的一件事 |
| 270 | it comes to new business work leases whatever it may be is ending what what have you learned and | 新的商业工作租约 无论它是什么 结束了你学到什么 |
| 271 | not just in the book but what have you learned from just your own life and experience and just | 不只是书里写的 你从自己的生活和经验中学到了什么 |
| 272 | like when you found is the right time to end something that's a harder call to make um i | 就像当你找到一个合适的时机来结束一些 更难的呼唤 |
| 273 | think it depends a lot on the circumstances one of the things that i one of the things that one of | 认为这很大程度上取决于 情况之一 我的东西之一 |
| 274 | the things that i do know for sure though is that endings are much more important than i realized | 我确实知道 结局比我意识到的更重要 |
| 275 | before i did this this research that endings have a profound effect on our behavior endings have a | 在我做这项研究之前 结局对我们的行为有深远影响 |
| 276 | profound effect on how we remember entire experiences so you know famously um you know | 对我们记起所有经历的深刻影响 让你知道著名的 嗯 你知道 |
| 277 | this is fairly well known is that how an experience ends has a disproportionate effect on how people | 这是相当众所周知的,一个经验的结束 对人们如何 |
| 278 | remember the entire experience the james dina let me say mutual yeah oh right right right so and also | 记住所有的经历 James Dina 让我说相互是的 哦对了 |
| 279 | even even how we evaluate people's lives too um so there's a famous piece of research on on where | 即使是我们如何评估人们的生活,嗯,所以有一个著名的研究 关于在哪里 |
| 280 | they gave somebody a description of a fellow who for 29 years was a wonderful guy great ceo | 他们给一个人描述一个人 他29年来是个很棒的人 |
| 281 | generous and whatnot and then uh in his 30th year he became a jerk and then unexpectedly died | 慷慨大方,什么的,然后,呃... 在他的30年 他成为一个混蛋,然后意外死亡 |
| 282 | and they said you know they had people say how moral of a life did that person lead and then they | 他们说你知道他们有 人说,一个生命的道德 是如何引导的人,然后他们 |
| 283 | had a different set of group people evaluated a different character this character was a total | 有不同的群体 评估不同的字符 这个字符是总计 |
| 284 | weasel and jerk for 29 years in his 30th year he decided to become a good guy being more generous | 黄鼠狼和混蛋在30年里29年 他决定成为一个好人 更加慷慨 |
| 285 | and then he suddenly died and so what they what they found was that someone who was a good guy | 然后他突然死了 所以他们发现了一个好人 |
| 286 | for 29 years and a jerk in his last year was rated as a slightly less moral than someone who was a | 29年来,一个混蛋 在他的最后一年 被评为道德略低于一个 |
| 287 | complete jerk for 29 years and happened to be a good guy in his in his final year so so so how | 29年来都是个混蛋 在他最后一年就是一个好人 |
| 288 | something ends has a big effect on us on um how something ends has a big effect on on how we | 结局对我们影响很大 结局对我们影响很大 |
| 289 | remember it how uh uh the the presence of ending has a big effect on our motivation | 记住 结局的存在对我们的动机产生了很大影响 |
| 290 | so when we see the end of something we end up kicking a little bit harder so if so a way to | 所以,当我们看到事物的结局,我们最后 踢得更用力一点 所以如果这样的方式 |
| 291 | a way to get yourself off the dime in certain kinds of procrastination situation is to impose | 在某些拖延的情况下 让你自己摆脱困境的方法 就是强加 |
| 292 | an ending um so so but endings um endings matter endings matter a lot and i think that one of the | 但结局很重要 结局很重要 我认为其中之一 |
| 293 | things that we need to do in organizations and our family lives and whatnot is is mark endings and | 在组织中和家庭生活中我们需要做的事情 而不是标志性的结局 |
| 294 | and establish rituals around endings because that ends up being a deep source of meaning for people | 并围绕结局建立仪式 因为这最终成为人们深奥的意义来源 |
| 295 | hmm yeah great answer i love love that example that's that's super powerful and i think everyone | 嗯,是的,伟大的答案 我喜欢这个例子 这是超级强大的,我认为每个人都 |
| 296 | needs to think about that because often it's like we put so much what you're saying and what i'm | 需要考虑一下 因为经常会像我们把 这么多你说什么,我是什么 |
| 297 | learning from this and you're so right and i'm it's only hitting me now too is we put so much | 从这里学习,你是如此正确, 而我现在它只是打我了,现在也是,我们放这么多 |
| 298 | effort into starting something like so much effort like whether it's business or a relationship or | 努力开始 类似很多的努力 像它是生意还是关系 |
| 299 | whatever it is like we're excited and all these enthusiasm then when you break up or you end a | 不管是什么 我们兴奋和所有的热情 当你分手或你结束一个 |
| 300 | business or you reject someone or someone gets fired or whatever it may be that process is always | 或者你拒绝某人或某人被炒鱿鱼 或者不管是什么过程 |
| 301 | handled really poorly yeah and and and you're so that's actually what people remember absolutely | 处理的非常糟糕 是的,你 所以,实际上,这是 人们记得绝对 |
| 302 | right yeah and that's scary to think about when when you when you think about that for a moment | 是啊,这是可怕的 当你想到的时候,当你想了一会儿 |
| 303 | but anyway you have been amazing with your time dan i'm really really grateful i could talk to | 但不管怎么样,你一直 神奇与你的时间 Dan 我真的很感激我可以说话 |
| 304 | you for hours and hours and hours you're literally fascinating conversation yeah no it's absolutely | 你持续了数小时,数小时,数小时... ... |
| 305 | brilliant and i hope we can continue to talk offline as well i'm gonna end with what we do | 好极了,我希望我们可以继续 离线交谈,以及我要结束 我们做什么 |
| 306 | which is two rapid fire rounds they're super fast you've got the blanks for this one so these | 这是两发快速的子弹,他们超快的... ... |
| 307 | are just okay so time are you ready yeah awesome time should always time should always um | 好,时间,你准备好 耶,真棒的时间 应该总是时间,嗯 |
| 308 | um be on your mind but not obsessing your mind okay good answer okay second one taking breaks | 嗯,在你的脑海里,但不要迷惑你的脑海... ...好的回答... ...好的回答... |
| 309 | uh taking breaks is one of the most powerful bang for the buck things you can do for your mental | 嗯,休息是最强大的爆炸之一 对于收钱的事情,你可以为你的精神做 |
| 310 | physical and professional well-being yeah and it's all in the book everyone so just you know | 身体和专业的安康 是的,这一切都在书中,所以你只是知道 |
| 311 | there's a whole breakdown of breaks uh number three every day i must oh interesting uh well | 每天有三号课间休息,我一定很有趣 |
| 312 | so i'm gonna i'm gonna interpret that as when i say i meaning i daniel yes every day i must contribute | 所以我会解释,当我说,我是说,我丹尼尔是 每天我必须贡献 |
| 313 | okay i love that you you excel in your career when so this is about other people um you know | 好吧,我爱你 在你的职业生涯中优异, 当这是关于其他人,你知道的 |
| 314 | what i'm going to use the same word here other people like so people excel in their careers when | 我在这里会用同样的词 其他的人喜欢这样的人 在他们的职业生涯中优异 |
| 315 | they contribute i love it brilliant okay these are your final five these are answers in one | 他们为我贡献了辉煌 这些都是你最后的五个答案 |
| 316 | sentence all right i'm sweating now one word yeah okay ready to make it to the end here yeah | 句子好,我现在在流汗 一个字好,准备到最后 |
| 317 | absolutely so the one lesson you feel helped you the most throughout your career | 绝对如此,你唯一觉得 帮助你整个职业生涯 |
| 318 | not caring what other people think about me great answer i love that uh what do you want to leave | 不在乎别人怎么看我 我喜欢你离开 |
| 319 | your kids with that you didn't have growing up a deep and unshakable work ethic nice okay if you | 你的孩子,你没有长大 一个深 和不动摇的工作道德很好 如果你 |
| 320 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}可以制定法律 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}全世界每个人都得遵守 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}什么法律? | |
| 321 | to show my american midwestern roots here uh say please and thank you nice great awesome okay uh | 来展示我的美国中西部的根部 请说谢谢 非常好的赞 |
| 322 | two more questions left fourth question what is something that you know to be true that many | 还有两个问题 第四个问题,什么是你知道 是真的,很多 |
| 323 | people disagree with you on so something that you're so sure about that a ton of people be | 人们不认同你 这样的事情,你非常确定, 一吨的人是 |
| 324 | like nah dan you're totally wrong the world is less fair than it seems so you believe the world | 你完全错了 这个世界并不公平 所以你相信这个世界 |
| 325 | is less fair than it seems and people disagree with you on that yeah yeah well that's a whole | 不如看起来公平,人们不同意你的观点 是的,是的,这是一个整体 |
| 326 | и笵讽и弧 и琌 reflectingи | |
| 327 | biases here but i think especially um uh well-educated american people sure great it's | 这里的偏见,但我觉得特别... . 受过良好教育的美国人... |
| 328 | a good answer i mean it's an intriguing point okay fifth and final question what is the biggest | 一个很好的答案,我的意思是 这是一个有趣的点 好吧,第五也是最后一个问题 什么是最大的 |
| 329 | lesson you've learned in the last 12 months oh in the last 12 months um it never works to go | 过去12个月里你学到的教训 在过去12个月里... |
| 330 | against the grain of who you are wow very profound wow these are tough questions man | 与你们所处的谷类相抗衡,这些问题真难解 |
| 331 | but you answered them pretty quickly and well so thank you well i answered them quickly | 但你回答的很快,很好 所以谢谢你的好 我回答的很快 |
| 332 | i love it dan this is uh so brilliant i really hope we get to meet in person that'd be wonderful | 我喜欢它,丹,这是呃 如此辉煌,我真的希望我们能见面 面对面,这将是伟大的 |
| 333 | and uh yeah thank you so much for doing this everyone uh dan's got a ton of great books | 嗯,是的,非常感谢你做这些... ... |
| 334 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}作为人类的驱动力 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}当呃... | |
| 335 | absolutely incredible he's an incredible storyteller i mean incredibly accomplished | 非常不可思议,他是一个不可思议的故事家 我的意思是,令人难以置信的成就 |
| 336 | i can't even start but i'm just grateful that dan took this time to be with us today | 我什至不能开始 但我只是感谢 丹花这个时间 今天与我们在一起 |
| 337 | i'm grateful that you had me jay it's been a lot of fun oh for sure would you like to direct | 我很感激你让我杰伊... ...这很有趣... ...哦... |
| 338 | anyone anywhere in your world and life about anything exciting that you've got going on | 任何你的世界和生活中的任何人 关于你所经历的一切令人兴奋的事 |
| 339 | people folks can check out my website danpink.com um all kinds of cool stuff going on there perfect | 人们可以查看我的网站 danpink.com 各种很酷的东西 在那里进行的完美 |
| 340 | we'll put the links everywhere thank you so much dan this was fantastic so it's been a lot of fun | 我们会把链接 到处 感谢这么多的 Dan 这是美妙的,所以它一直 很有趣 |
| 341 | if you want even more videos just like this one make sure you subscribe and click on the boxes | 如果你想要更多的视频 像这样的,确保你订阅 点击框 |
| 342 | over here i'm also excited to let you know that you can now get my book think like a monk from | 我也很兴奋地告诉你 你现在可以让我的书像僧侣一样思考了 |
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| 0:00 | And what I'm here to tell people is high performers reset every hour. It's crazy every hour. | 我在这里告诉大家, 高水平的表演者每时每刻都在重设。 时时发狂. |
| 0:04 | Figure out the questions you're going to ask to evaluate your life. Mine were, did I live, | 想想你要问的问题 来评估你的生活。 我的,我活过吗? |
| 0:08 | did I love, did I matter? Yours might be, was I a great brother? Was a great mom? Did I build a | 我爱,我在乎吗? 可能是你的,我是一个伟大的兄弟吗? 是个好妈妈吗? 我建了一个 |
| 0:14 | movement? Did I, everyone's going to evaluate it differently. I don't have the answer for anybody. | 动静? 我,每个人都会 以不同的评价。 我没有答案给任何人。 |
| 0:18 | I don't know their purpose, but I say, just think if you're a 90 on the rocking chair or you're 105 | 我不知道他们的目的,但我说, 想想,如果你是一个90 在摇椅上或你是105 |
| 0:23 | on the rocking chair or you're 200 in the hospice, you know, however old you are, if you have a | 在摇椅上,或者你是200 在收容所,你知道,无论你多大, 如果你有一个 |
| 0:27 | monocondition, you're evaluating life, how do you know if you lived a good one? Now wake up every day | 单项条件,你正在评估生命, 你怎么知道你是否活得很好? 现在每天醒来 |
| 0:32 | with the intention to do that. Live good so you're happy with the answers at the end. | 打算这样做。 活得好好的,所以你很高兴 在最后的答案。 |
| 0:39 | And today's guest is none other than Brendan Bouchard. Now I know a lot of you are going to | 而今天的嘉宾除了布伦丹·布沙尔之外别无他法. 现在我知道你们很多人会 |
| 0:43 | be excited for this episode. Brendan is one of the top coaches in the world, an incredible speaker, | 为这集感到兴奋。 布兰登是世界上最优秀的导师之一 一个不可思议的演说家 |
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| 1 | And what I'm here to tell people is high performers reset every hour. It's crazy every hour. | 我在这里告诉大家, 高水平的表演者每时每刻都在重设。 时时发狂. |
| 2 | Figure out the questions you're going to ask to evaluate your life. Mine were, did I live, | 想想你要问的问题 来评估你的生活。 我的,我活过吗? |
| 3 | did I love, did I matter? Yours might be, was I a great brother? Was a great mom? Did I build a | 我爱,我在乎吗? 可能是你的,我是一个伟大的兄弟吗? 是个好妈妈吗? 我建了一个 |
| 4 | movement? Did I, everyone's going to evaluate it differently. I don't have the answer for anybody. | 动静? 我,每个人都会 以不同的评价。 我没有答案给任何人。 |
| 5 | I don't know their purpose, but I say, just think if you're a 90 on the rocking chair or you're 105 | 我不知道他们的目的,但我说, 想想,如果你是一个90 在摇椅上或你是105 |
| 6 | on the rocking chair or you're 200 in the hospice, you know, however old you are, if you have a | 在摇椅上,或者你是200 在收容所,你知道,无论你多大, 如果你有一个 |
| 7 | monocondition, you're evaluating life, how do you know if you lived a good one? Now wake up every day | 单项条件,你正在评估生命, 你怎么知道你是否活得很好? 现在每天醒来 |
| 8 | with the intention to do that. Live good so you're happy with the answers at the end. | 打算这样做。 活得好好的,所以你很高兴 在最后的答案。 |
| 9 | And today's guest is none other than Brendan Bouchard. Now I know a lot of you are going to | 而今天的嘉宾除了布伦丹·布沙尔之外别无他法. 现在我知道你们很多人会 |
| 10 | be excited for this episode. Brendan is one of the top coaches in the world, an incredible speaker, | 为这集感到兴奋。 布兰登是世界上最优秀的导师之一 一个不可思议的演说家 |
| 11 | an incredible author, but most importantly, I want to share something with you. I was just telling | 一个不可思议的作者, 但最重要的是,我想与你分享一些东西。 我只是说 |
| 12 | him literally two seconds ago when I joined social media in 2014, not as a creator, but as a user, | 他两秒钟前 当我在2014年加入社交媒体时 不是作为创造者 而是作为用户 |
| 13 | I was always looking for people who are doing good on social media because I wanted to follow | 我总是在寻找在社交媒体上做好事的人 因为我想跟随 |
| 14 | people that were empowering. And I could pretty much on Facebook memories on this day, you know, | 被赋予权力的人。 我几乎可以在脸书上的记忆 这一天,你知道, |
| 15 | you can type it in, I could pretty much find at least one Brendan quote per day that I used to | 你可以输入它,我几乎可以找到 至少一个布兰登引用 我过去 |
| 16 | share with whoever used to follow me at that time. And I think my posts at that time used to get two | 和那个跟随我的人分享 我觉得我那个时候的帖子是有两个 |
| 17 | to four likes. So Brendan, I'll take credit for the two to four people. But honestly, it was just | 四个喜欢。 所以布伦丹,我会为二到四人取名 但说实话,这只是 |
| 18 | such a, his work was so refreshing to me and the post that he was writing was so sincere and so | 他的作品让我很兴奋 他写的文章很真诚 |
| 19 | genuine. And when I had the opportunity to meet Brendan, I think it was late last year or earlier | 真实的。 当我有机会去见布伦丹的时候 我想去年或之前已经很晚了 |
| 20 | this year when we had the opportunity to connect, I waited around after a keynote I was giving | 今年,当我们有机会联系时, 我等了一会儿,我做了一个主旨演讲 |
| 21 | because I really wanted to meet him because I was just so impressed by what he had done, | 因为我很想见他 因为我对他的所作所为印象深刻 |
| 22 | but more importantly, the way in which he did it. And he's just not disappointed. He's been | 但更重要的是,他这样做的方式。 他只是没有失望。 他去过 |
| 23 | really kind, really supportive, and someone who's really been there for me in this journey as well. | 真正善良,真正支持的人, 和一个真正在这场旅程中为我服务的人。 |
| 24 | So I want you to open up your minds, but also open up your hearts to a very, very special human | 所以,我希望你打开你的思想, 但也开放你的心 一个非常,非常特殊的人 |
| 25 | being. Brendan, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. Man, I love it. I mean it every | 正在发生。 布兰登 欢迎光临节目 谢谢你能来 男人,我喜欢它。 我说的都是 |
| 26 | single word that I've just said. Thank you. And I wanted you to hear from my mouth. And for this, | 我刚才说的单词 谢谢 我希望你能听到我的声音 为了这个 |
| 27 | I'm just going to go for the audio. Brendan Bashard is a highly recognized as the world's | 我只是去听音频。 布兰登·巴沙尔德是世界上 |
| 28 | leading high performance coach. He's a magnificent writer, public speaker, and his books have been | 领导高性能教练。 他是一个伟大的作家, 公共演说家,他的书已经 |
| 29 | on plenty bestseller lists, including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and more. He's | 包括《纽约时报》、《华尔街日报》等 琌 |
| 30 | coached and worked with everyone ranging from CEOs of massive companies to celebrities. Brendan's | 和从大型公司的首席执行官到名人都一起任教和工作. 布兰登的 |
| 31 | personal development trainings have more than 300 million views. Over 2 million students have | 个人发展培训拥有超过3亿个浏览量. 超过200万学生 |
| 32 | completed his online courses and video series. Oprah.com named him one of the most successful | 完成了他的在线课程和视频系列. Oprah.com将他列为最成功者之一 |
| 33 | online trainers in history. And he's also had 28 seven figure online launches. His list of | 历史上的在线教练. 他还在网上发布了28个7位数字。 他的名单 |
| 34 | accomplishments goes on and on and on. But the most important thing is he's a true man of service | 成就接连不断。 但最重要的是,他是一个真正的侍从 |
| 35 | and living an incredible life, trying to help others. Brendan, thank you. Your brother. Thank | 过着不可思议的生活 试着帮助别人 布伦丹,谢谢你 汝师弟. 谢谢 |
| 36 | you. I appreciate that. No, I mean it. You're, you're truly, you know, I think we always have | 你们 我很感激。 不,我是认真的。 你,你真的,你知道, 我认为我们总是 |
| 37 | this feeling of you, you want to meet people and I'm sure you had them too. And you're always | 你这种感觉,想见见人,我相信你也有 你总是 |
| 38 | hoping that when you meet someone, they don't let you down. Yes. Right. And I'm an optimistic | 希望当你遇到某人时 他们不会让你失望 对 对 我也很乐观 |
| 39 | person. So when I meet someone that I've been aspiring to meet, I'm always hoping that they're | 个人。 所以当我遇到我一直想见的人时 我一直希望他们 |
| 40 | going to blow me away even more. That's my hope. And when I met you, it felt that way. So I just | 会把我炸得更惨 这就是我的希望。 当我遇见你时 感觉就是这样 所以,我刚刚 |
| 41 | want to say thank you. Thank you. You too. You too. It was so funny because we were running so many | 我想说谢谢你。 谢谢 你也一样。 你也一样。 这很有趣,因为我们运行这么多 |
| 42 | similar circles and our friends were like, you guys don't know each other. You should meet up and | 同样的圈子和我们的朋友一样, 你们不知道对方。 你应该见个面 |
| 43 | thank you. Shout out to Louis for introducing us and making sure that connection happened. | 谢谢 向路易大声疾呼 介绍我们,确保连接发生。 |
| 44 | And same thing. I was hoping I'm like, he's a monk. I hope he's like calm. I hope he's centered. I | 亦复如是. 我本来希望我是个和尚 我希望他像冷静。 我希望他能成为中心 一、导 言 |
| 45 | hope he's got good vibrancy and his joy in his heart and his eyes. And you did even though you | 希望他有良好的活力和快乐 在他的心脏和眼睛。 即使你这么做了 |
| 46 | and I both were kind of road warrior a little bit. That moment we were, we were out on the road. We | 我俩都是路人 那一刻,我们是在路上。 我们 |
| 47 | were. And that was late at night and we just were chatting and just, you know, when you meet people | 曾经是。 那是深夜,我们只是聊天, 只是,当你遇到人 |
| 48 | and just your vibrant and enthusiastic part of you that comes out, right? Cause you and I already do | 而只是你充满活力和热情的部分 出来,对不对? 因为你和我已经做了 |
| 49 | that for life and a job. But then when you meet somebody who it draws you out more, I was energized | 一辈子的工作 但当你遇到一个更吸引你的人时 我充满了活力 |
| 50 | that night. So yeah, you were just always like that. I think you are always like that. You have | 当晚 所以,你只是总是这样。 我想你总是这样 你有过 |
| 51 | great attitude, but yeah, I'm happy. You know, I'm living my second chance at life. Yeah. So for me, | 态度不错,但是我很高兴 你知道,我过着第二次机会的生活 对 对我来说 |
| 52 | you know, after a big car accident when I was younger, every day is like bonus day. So I'm | 你知道,在我年轻的时候发生大车祸后, 每天就像奖金日。 ┮и琌 |
| 53 | already reverence for life. I'm happy to go lucky, but there are people who have an aura and a | 已经为生命敬重了 我很高兴能走运 但有些人有气息 |
| 54 | vibrancy and everyone listening. They know that there's those times. There's just some people | 活力和大家听着。 他们知道有那些时间。 刚刚有人 |
| 55 | who you're around. It kind of makes you pop and come alive and you smile a little more and you | 你身边的人 让你活过来 笑得更开心点 |
| 56 | are that. And I was like, oh, that's what I wanted from meeting Jay Shetty. I wanted to be like that | 就是这样。 我就像,哦,这就是我想要的 杰伊·谢蒂。 我想这样 |
| 57 | anywhere. So thank you, man. Let's, let's actually start there. I wasn't going to start there, but now | 随处可见. 谢谢你,伙计。 让我们开始吧 我本来不打算从那里开始,但现在 |
| 58 | that you've mentioned it, I want to start there. I want my audience to hear that story from you | 你提到它, 我想从那里开始。 我要我的观众听到你的故事 |
| 59 | because I think that everyone's either had one of those moments or they're going to have one of | 因为我认为每个人都有 一个这样的时刻,或者他们会有一个 |
| 60 | those moments. And I want everyone who's listening and watching right now to either be prepared | 那些时刻 我希望所有在听和看的人 要么做好准备 |
| 61 | if they're about to have one or maybe not even wait for that to happen. Yeah. And for those who | 如果她们要有一个 或者甚至不等待 发生。 对 对于那些 |
| 62 | have had it to really use it to their advantage. So let's start with that accident that changed | 已经得到了它真正使用 它对他们有利。 所以,让我们从改变的事故开始 |
| 63 | your mindset. That changed the urgency of life for you. Yeah. Um, I'll give the takeaway cause | 你的心态。 这改变了你生活的紧迫性 对 嗯,我会给外卖的原因 |
| 64 | there's a little bit of a long story. Um, you know, the takeaway is at the end of our lives, | 说来话长 嗯,你知道, 外卖在我们生命的尽头, |
| 65 | if we have a moment of cognition, we're going to lay there in bed and we're going to ask questions | 如果我们有一点认知, 我们要躺在那里的床上, 我们要去问问题 |
| 66 | about our life to evaluate whether or not we were happy with it. And what I've always suggested to | 关于我们的生活评估 我们是否满意。 我总是建议 |
| 67 | people is maybe don't pretend you're living your purpose unless you know the questions you're | 人们也许不要假装你 生活你的目的,除非你知道 你的问题 |
| 68 | going to ask at the end of your life. How do you evaluate it? Because otherwise you're just kind of | 在你生命的尽头问 你怎么评价? 否则你就是那种 |
| 69 | living randomly, but when you know, Oh, I'm going to evaluate my life this way at the very end. | 随机生活,但当你知道, 哦,我要去 评估我的生活 这样在最后。 |
| 70 | Now, every day you can wake up with intention. Now, every day you get to wake up with purpose, | 现在,每一天,你都可以带着意向醒来。 现在,你每天都有目的醒来 |
| 71 | which is why I love the name of your show. Cause that's my thing too. It's like this, | 所以我才喜欢你的节目 因为这是我的事了。 像这样 |
| 72 | this deep connection to some type of purpose so that at the end of our life, we're happy. | 这种与某种目的的深层联系 这样我们生命的尽头,我们就会快乐 |
| 73 | There's no regrets there. There's no sadness. There's no, Oh my gosh, why was I this way? Or | 那里没有遗憾 无悲无悲. 没有,我的天啊,我为什么要这样? 或者说 |
| 74 | why did I wait to do that? And I, my unique story is that I got that gift at 19 years old. Um, | 我为什么要等呢? 而我,我独特的故事是 我得到了这个礼物,19岁。 额... |
| 75 | the story is my, my girlfriend and I from high school, we were high school sweethearts | 故事是我,我女朋友和高中生,我们是高中的甜心 |
| 76 | and like the super annoying kind. We were the, we became like high school sweethearts and we were | 像超级烦人的那种 我们是,我们变得像 高中甜心,我们是 |
| 77 | make out at the locker and you know, stop it. You never have that couple who stopped hanging | 在柜子里亲热一下,别闹了 你从来没有那对停止绞刑的夫妇 |
| 78 | out with their friends because they get so much love. That was us. We just so fell in love with | 和他们的朋友出去 因为他们得到这么多的爱。 那是我们 我们只是爱上了 |
| 79 | each other. We stopped hanging out with friends, stopped doing anything else, fell in love. Um, | 彼此间. 我们不再和朋友在一起 不再做别的事 坠入爱河 额... |
| 80 | she wanted to go to college. I was just going to do like landscaping. I mean, I was going to do like | 她想上大学 我本来想做景观美化的 我的意思是,我本来想做 |
| 81 | art projects on this. I had no, I didn't have a real ambition to go to college yet. | 艺术项目。 我没有,我还没有 一个真正的野心去上大学呢。 |
| 82 | We went to college together, shared a U hall on the way over, lived in the same dorms, | 我们一起上大学 在路上共用一个U大厅 住在同一个宿舍里 |
| 83 | signed up for the same classes, had the same friends, like the whole nine yards. Like literally | 报名参加同样的课程, 拥有相同的朋友, 像整个9码。 就像从字面上 |
| 84 | our life was completely intertwined. And then at the end of that or in that first semester of school, | 我们的生活是完全交织在一起的。 在那之后,或者在学校的第一学期, |
| 85 | she discovered a beer and other men and, uh, and cheated on me. Wow. And I don't know if you've | 她发现了啤酒和其他男人 然后背叛了我 珃 我不知道你有没有 |
| 86 | ever been this way, but if when your whole identity is wrapped up in a relationship and | 曾经是这样,但如果你的整个身份 包裹在一起, |
| 87 | then the relationship falls apart, you fall apart. I fell apart. I fell mentally, emotionally, | 然后关系就分崩离析了 你就会分崩离析 我崩溃了。 我从精神上,情感上坠落 |
| 88 | spiritually, completely apart. Um, couldn't get out of bed. You stop going to classes, | 在精神上,完全分开。 睡不着 你停止去上课, |
| 89 | friends, deeply concerned about me coming over, trying to motivate, let's go out, let's go out. | 朋友们,对于我过来很担心, 试图调动积极性, 让我们出去,让我们出去。 |
| 90 | And I was like, I can't, I just would lay there and like cry basically. Um, and I, like two things | 我当时想,我不能, 我只是会躺在那里,喜欢哭基本上。 嗯,我,喜欢两件事 |
| 91 | really changed my life, which I didn't realize till later. One was I was, I was a reader. | 真的改变了我的生活, 我直到后来才意识到。 一个是我,我是一个读者。 |
| 92 | Like I'm really happy about all the accolades I've gotten, everything else. But the thing | 就像我真的很高兴 我得到了所有的优雅,其他的一切。 但这件事 |
| 93 | that has driven my life is I love books. When I meet with people, I want to talk about books. | 推动我一生的是我爱书 遇人时欲谈书. |
| 94 | I love books. I love books. And so I was still reading. So here I am depressed in bed. Um, | 我爱书 我爱书 所以我还在看书 所以我在床上很沮丧 额... |
| 95 | and I remember this is like several days after I had planned suicide full on, not like thinking | 我记得这就像几天后 我计划了完全的自杀 而不是想 |
| 96 | about it, wrote the letter, made a couple of calls and had planned to end my life, | 写了信 打了几个电话 并计划结束我的生命 |
| 97 | laying in bed, super sad, open the school newspaper. And there was an ad in the school | 躺在床上,超级悲伤, 打开学校报纸。 学校里有个广告 |
| 98 | newspaper. So I'm reading. Second thing to change my life was marketing. Here's this ad, full page | 报纸。 所以我在读。 第二,改变我的生活是营销。 这是广告,整页 |
| 99 | ad, a white sandy beach, turquoise water, blue sky, green palm tree. And across the top, like | 广告 白沙滩 绿水 蓝天 绿棕榈树 穿过顶部,就像 |
| 100 | the best headline ever for a young man in pain, the headline across the top said escape. | 对一个痛苦的年轻人来说,这是有史以来最好的头条, 头条横跨顶部说逃跑。 |
| 101 | And I was like, yeah, uh, you know, uh, summertime job, students needed Dominican Republic. | 我就像,嗯,你知道,呃,暑假工作, 学生需要多米尼加共和国。 |
| 102 | Wow. Now I'm in Montana at the time at the university of Montana. I don't even know. | 珃 现在,我在蒙大拿州 当时在蒙大拿大学。 我什至不晓得。 |
| 103 | I've been to Montana. Oh yeah. I don't even know where Dominican Republic is, but I know | 我去过蒙大拿州 对 我甚至不知道多米尼加共和国在哪里 但我知道 |
| 104 | she's not there. So I'm like, so I'm like, I've got, so take the job. Uh, we basically become | 她不在这里。 所以我喜欢, 所以我喜欢,我有, 所以接受这份工作。 我们基本上变成了 |
| 105 | glorified tour guides for an entrepreneur who works down there, who we knew and my friend, | 我们认识的企业家和我的朋友 |
| 106 | Kevin and I, we hop in the car one night and we go to return where we were saying, | 凯文和我,我们跳上车 某天晚上,我们回到我们说, |
| 107 | and we're going down the shore to 85 miles an hour and Kevin is driving. | 我们下岸时速85英里 凯文开车 |
| 108 | And we came upon the corner that, you know, here in the U S especially LA would, | 我们来到角落,你知道, 在这里,在美国特别洛杉矶, |
| 109 | you know, you turn shaped yellow sign, slow down 15 miles an hour, but developing country, | 你知道,你变成形状的黄色标志, 慢下来15英里每小时, 但是发展中国家, |
| 110 | new road, no sign. So we go around the corner and Kevin immediately like grabs me up and hold on. | 新路,没有标志。 所以,我们绕到角落 凯文立刻喜欢抓住我 并坚持。 |
| 111 | And he cranks it. And I just, I mean, I didn't know then was it, you know, what happened was | 他开动它。 我只是,我的意思是,我不知道 然后,你知道,发生了什么 |
| 112 | emotional, spiritual, mental, you know, make believe who knows in my mind of what happened | 情感,精神,精神,你知道的, 让相信谁知道我的心 发生了什么事 |
| 113 | next couple of minutes. But when you're sliding death, death's doorway, you have questions about | 接下来的几分钟。 但当你滑死,死亡的门道, 你有疑问 |
| 114 | life. It comes through as a feeling like, cause at first it's like that brace, that terror in a car | 活着 感觉就像,因为 一开始它就像 牙套,车里的恐怖 |
| 115 | accident. There's a piece of that. If you ever think of it, you're like, you know, you don't | 意外 意外发生 有一 piece. 如果你想到它,你喜欢,你知道,你不 |
| 116 | want to die. And if you've ever been in a car accident, that weird slow motion thing happens. | 想死吗? 如果你曾经发生车祸 那奇怪的慢动作就发生了 |
| 117 | So that's why I said, I don't know where it was because it's like the super slow motion. | 这就是为什么我说,我不知道它在哪里,因为它就像超级慢动作。 |
| 118 | And I felt this brace and I really felt and sensed this like, did I live, did I live my life? | 我感觉到了这个支架, 我真的感觉到了这个样子, 我活着, 我活着吗? |
| 119 | You know, later I can think about like, you know, cause of course we want to know, | 你知道,以后我可以想, 你知道,我们当然想知道, |
| 120 | do we live vibrant and free and, and a lot, you know, our life, but at that point, you know, | 我们是否过着生机勃勃的自由生活, 以及很多,你知道的,我们的生活, 但在这一点上,你知道, |
| 121 | I'd lived her life. I'd live my parents and professors lives. And I really hadn't been | 我过她的生活。 我会活我的父母和教授的生活。 我真的没有 |
| 122 | living. I'd been thinking about taking my life. Um, we went to the car slid sideways off the road | 活着。 我一直在想夺去我的性命 嗯,我们去了汽车滑坡 侧路离道路 |
| 123 | and we hit this little retainer wall and it popped us up into the air and I hit the side of my head. | 我们撞到了这堵小墙 它把我们撞到空中 我撞到我头的一侧 |
| 124 | Um, and I started seeing all these images of these times in my life when I was surrounded by people | 嗯,我开始看到所有这些 图片在我的生活中 当我周围的人 |
| 125 | that I loved. And it was like these scenes, these just beautiful, just beautiful. It wasn't | 我喜欢的 它就像这些场景, 这些只是美丽的,只是美丽的。 这不是 |
| 126 | omniscient. It wasn't like a near death experience per se. It was just these beautiful scenes when | 无所不知. 这本身并不像是接近死亡的经历 只是这些美丽的场景 当 |
| 127 | I could see family members and everybody else. Cause at the end of your life, you think about | 我可以看到家人和其他人 因为在你生命的尽头,你会想 |
| 128 | who you're going to miss and who's going to miss you, which triggers this other question of, | 你会想念谁,谁会想念你, 这触发了另一个问题, |
| 129 | did I love? And you know, you talk about it too. Like we want to know that we really love fully | 我爱吗? 你知道,你也在谈论它。 就像我们想知道 我们真的爱得很深 |
| 130 | and completely and free, not, not from terror or fear or need. I hadn't loved my heart had | 完全和自由,而不是没有恐惧或恐惧或需要。 我没有爱过我的心 |
| 131 | been shut down. And I always say to people, it's like, you have to be careful. We've been hurt | 被关闭。 我总是对别人说,你必须小心 我们受伤了 |
| 132 | because we build up these walls to protect ourselves. We put on the mask or we get, | 因为我们建立这些墙来保护自己 我们戴上面具或者我们得到, |
| 133 | you know, serious and stiff. But when you build up that wall to give out the bad guys, | 你知道,认真和僵硬。 但当你筑起那堵墙 以释放坏人 |
| 134 | you also block out the good guys. And in our own self protection, we block out the very things | 你也阻止好人来 为了保护自己,我们封锁了所有东西 |
| 135 | we really desperately desire, which is connection. The car hit the ground, rolled several times. I | 我们非常渴望,这是连接。 车撞到地上,滚了好几次. 一、导 言 |
| 136 | got knocked out completely. And when I came to Kevin is next to me in driver's seat screaming | 完全被打晕了 当我来到凯文身边 坐在驾驶座上尖叫 |
| 137 | at the top of his just terrified. His eyes are wild like an animal and a huge chunk of his head | 在他刚刚害怕的顶端。 他的眼睛像动物一样狂野 头部大块 |
| 138 | is open and there's just blood everywhere. And this fear is like, what's going on? But I'm like | 到处都是血 而这种恐惧就像, 这是怎么回事? 但我喜欢 |
| 139 | in shock. He crawls outside the driver's side window. I go to get outside mine, but I can't. | 震惊中。 他爬到司机的侧窗外 我去我的外面,但我无法。 |
| 140 | The car smashed on me. And all I have is this hole that used to be the windshield. I pushed | 车撞到我了 我只有这个曾经是挡风玻璃的洞 我推着 |
| 141 | myself through and I stand up on the hood of the car. He's screaming, screaming, screaming, but | 我自己穿过,我站在车盖上。 他尖叫着,尖叫着,尖叫着,但 |
| 142 | I'm in this thud hollow. I don't know how to describe the shock. And I looked down and I saw | 我在这个空洞。 我不知道如何形容惊吓。 我低头看着 |
| 143 | on my body, I'm, I'm covered in blood. And this just terror hits me. Remember at 19. And I feel | 我身上满是血 而这只是恐怖袭击了我。 记得19岁时。 我觉得 |
| 144 | life draining literally physically out of me. And I just remember life feeling it's draining away. | 生命从我身体里消耗出来 我只记得生活的感觉 它正在耗尽。 |
| 145 | And I just remember looking at my feet, which was covered in blood. And I just thought, | 我只记得看着我的脚, 上面都是血。 我只是觉得, |
| 146 | did I even matter? You know, did I even make a difference? Was there a reason I was here? | 我在乎吗? 你知道,我甚至有 有所作为? 我来这里有什么原因吗? |
| 147 | And, oh man, it was the worst cause I didn't feel like I did. | 哦,天啊,这是最糟糕的 原因,我不认为我做到了。 |
| 148 | And then I looked down and the blood was going off the hood of the car. And there was a glint | 然后我往下看 血从车盖上流下来 和有一个glint |
| 149 | there was a sparkle in the blood and I didn't know what it was. It was reflection. So it made | 血液里有闪光,我不知道是什么 这是反射。 因此,它创造了 |
| 150 | me look up. And there was this bright, big, beautiful moon that night that I didn't even | 我抬头看 那晚我连月亮都看不见 |
| 151 | see earlier. And it was like this arresting connection. I just felt this connection and | 见前文. 这就像这个逮捕联系。 我只是觉得这种联系 |
| 152 | I felt like, you know, I was almost an immediate sense of grace. I was like, | 我觉得,你知道, 我几乎是一个即时的恩典感。 我当时想, |
| 153 | I'm going to be okay. I almost felt like I was told I was going to be okay. | 我会没事的。 我几乎觉得有人告诉我 我会没事的 |
| 154 | And so I call that like my life's golden ticket moment because I felt like the big guy upstairs | 所以我叫这就像我的生活的黄金票 的时刻,因为我觉得像楼上的大家伙 |
| 155 | because I believe in God reached down and handed me like life's golden ticket. Here you go, kid. | 因为我相信上帝的旨意 把我像生命的金票一样交给我 给你,孩子。 |
| 156 | You're still alive. You can still love. You can still matter. But now, you know, the clock is | 你还活着。 你还可以爱。 你还可以管用 但现在,你知道,钟是 |
| 157 | ticking. You're a lucky young man. You're still alive. And my whole life, I was just like in that | 正在跳动。 你是个幸运的年轻人。 你还活着。 而我的一生,我就像在那个 |
| 158 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我记得我从字面上看月亮 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我不知道是什么感觉 | |
| 159 | the time because I've had a lot of time to think about this obviously 23 years ago. And I just | 因为23年前我有很多时间想这个 我刚刚 |
| 160 | remember thinking, I will earn this. And I felt that next breath is like, I'm gonna be okay. | 记住想,我会得到这个。 我觉得下一口气就像, 我会好起来的。 |
| 161 | Kevin and I, I don't mean to ruin the story for everybody, but I survived. It's like I'm okay. | Kevin和我 我不是故意要为大家破坏这个故事 但我活下来了 好像我没事一样 |
| 162 | I'm alive. Kevin survived. Lots of cuts, bruising, broken bones, terrified kids. | 我还活着 凯文活了下来。 很多伤口,瘀伤,骨折,吓坏的孩子。 |
| 163 | But for me, what I took away with it was both the reverence for life, the appreciation for life, | 但对我来说,我拿走了它 既是对生命的尊敬, 也是对生命的赞赏, |
| 164 | the timing of life that the clock is ticking on all of us, but also this desire to, I want to earn | 时间的时机,时间 时间在我们所有人, |
| 165 | it. Like I felt so blessed. I felt like I got away with it. You know what I mean? Like, how did I | 这个 就像我感觉如此幸运。 我觉得我逃脱了 你知道我的意思吗? 喜欢,我如何 |
| 166 | like, how did I skirt death? I want to earn this. So in the hospital later, I was thinking about | 喜欢,我怎么穿 死亡? 我想挣这个 所以后来在医院,我在想 |
| 167 | those feelings and I was like, oh, wow. I kind of asked myself, did I live? Did I love? And did I | 那些感觉,我就像,哦,哇。 我有点问自己, 我活着吗? 我爱我吗? 我有吗? |
| 168 | matter? And it really hit me. I thought that that's a gift right there. Those are the questions I'm | 物质? 它真的打击了我。 我以为那是礼物呢 这就是我的问题 |
| 169 | gonna ask if I'm ever gonna die. Did I really live my life? Did I love others? And did I make | 要去问 如果我永远不会死。 我真的活了一辈子吗? 我爱别人吗? 我做了吗? |
| 170 | a difference? Did I matter? And so I decided little at, remember I'm 19. I decided at 19, | 区别? 我有关系吗? 所以我在19岁的时候就决定了 我19岁就决定了 |
| 171 | I said, every night I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to ask those three questions about my day. | 我说,每晚我都要去睡觉。 我要问三个关于我今天的问题 |
| 172 | So I've asked those for 23 tonight. I'll go home and I'll ask that same question | 所以我今晚问了23个 我回家再问同样的问题 |
| 173 | 23 years every night. People, how do you do so much? I go, when you live your life with intention | 每晚23岁 各位,你们是怎么做到的? 我走了,当你的生活有意图 |
| 174 | and purpose, you can get a lot done. Cause the nights that I can't say yes to those questions, | 和目的,你可以得到很多做。 因为我不能答应那些问题的夜晚 |
| 175 | it's not like I'm, I hate myself or I'm sad, right? But the nights I can say yes, I sleep well. | 我恨自己,或伤心,对不对? 但我能答应的夜晚 我睡得很好 |
| 176 | And so I had just, I've had the simple mission, like I love your mission, make wisdom go viral. | 所以我有,我有一个简单的任务, 就像我爱你的任务, 使智慧成为病毒。 |
| 177 | Mine has been maybe more depressive to tell people, to tell people you're going to die. | 我可能更沮丧地告诉别人 你会死。 |
| 178 | So how about this? Figure out the questions you're going to ask to evaluate your life. | 这个怎么样? 想想你要问的问题 来评估你的生活。 |
| 179 | Mine were, did I live, did I love, did I matter? Yours might be, was I a great brother? | 我的,我住过吗,我爱过,我在乎吗? 可能是你的,我是一个伟大的兄弟吗? |
| 180 | Was a great mom? Did I build a movement? Did I, everyone's going to evaluate it differently. | 是个好妈妈吗? 我建立运动了吗? 我,每个人都会 以不同的评价。 |
| 181 | I don't have the answer for anybody. I don't know their purpose, but I say, | 我没有答案给任何人。 我不知道他们的目的 但我说 |
| 182 | just think if you're 90 on the rocking chair or you're 105 on the rocking chair or you're | 想想,如果你是90 在摇椅上,或你是105 在摇椅上,或你是 |
| 183 | 200 in the hospice, you know, however old you are, if you have a moment of condition, | 临终期的200岁,你知道的,无论你多大, 如果你有一个时刻的状况, |
| 184 | you're evaluating life. How do you know if you lived a good one? Now wake up every day | 你在评估生命 你怎么知道你活得怎么样? 现在每天醒来 |
| 185 | with the intention to do that, live good. So you're happy with the answers at the end. | 想要做到这一点, 活得好好的。 你对最后的答案很满意 |
| 186 | That's awesome. That's so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that in such a | 这是真棒。 这太美了 谢谢大家分享 |
| 187 | profound and moving way as well. And what I love about that and how you've translated that into | 深奥又感人 我最爱的是什么,你是如何把它变成的 |
| 188 | what you do now is that I think a lot of us are gifted. Like you said, the golden ticket, | 你现在做的是 我认为我们很多人都有天赋 就像你说的 金票 |
| 189 | are gifted with golden ticket moments. Some are more extreme or less extreme than what you | 有黄金票时段的天赋 有些比你更极端或更不极端 |
| 190 | described. And it doesn't really matter where on the spectrum it is. We all have those moments. | 说明。 它并不真正重要 它的光谱在哪里。 我们都有这些时刻。 |
| 191 | And I think what's fascinating is that so many of us have that glimpse, | 我觉得令人着迷的是 我们当中有这么多人有那种眼神 |
| 192 | but then we struggle to translate that glimpse into real transformation. Or we struggle to | 但是,我们努力把这一瞬间转化为真正的转变。 或者我们挣扎 |
| 193 | translate this emotive, inspiring, deep, personal moment into something very practical, active and | 将这种充满情感,鼓舞人心,深刻,个人的瞬间转化为非常实际,积极,并且 |
| 194 | tangible. And I think anyone who's watched a motivational video or been through a life | 有形. 我认为任何人谁看 一个激励性视频 或经历的生活 |
| 195 | changing accident will say they've felt that where they've had a moment where they're like, | 改变的事故会说,他们已经感觉到 他们有一个时刻 他们喜欢, |
| 196 | oh, I felt in my body that I was meant to do this. But then the next day I just didn't feel | 哦,我在我的身体里感觉到,我注定要这样做。 但第二天我感觉不到 |
| 197 | like getting up. Tell me how you started to form the habits that were needed for you to live this | 像起床一样。 告诉我,你是如何开始形成 习惯,这是你生活所需的 |
| 198 | every day. And you've already taught us one beautiful one, just like the one you just said, | 每天都这样 你已经教了我们一个漂亮的, 就像你刚才说的, |
| 199 | but how were you able to really take that through and start developing a world and a life | 但是,你是如何真正能够通过 并开始发展一个世界和生活 |
| 200 | to live up to those questions? Yeah. I mean, stage one was I was honest that I was a hot mess. | 回答这些问题? 对 我的意思是,第一阶段,我是诚实的 我是一个热乱。 |
| 201 | And like, I came back from the accident. I'm like, I'm a mess. I've been depressed. I was | 我从车祸中回来 我就像,我是一个烂摊子。 我一直很沮丧。 и琌 |
| 202 | going to kill myself. I'm sad. My grades suck. My friends are kind of like losers. You know, | 会自杀的 我很伤心。 我的成绩很差 我的朋友就像失败者一样 你知道吗, |
| 203 | not in a judgmental way to them, but in how I wanted to feel they made me feel bad about myself. | 并不是在评判他们, 而是在我想感觉 他们让我对自己感到难过。 |
| 204 | And that's why I think a loser isn't what they've accomplished. It's how they make other people feel | 这就是为什么我认为失败者不是他们的成就。 这是他们如何让别人感觉 |
| 205 | two different things. They made me feel bad. And I thought, I don't have it together. | 两个不同的东西。 他们让我很难过 我想,我没有它在一起。 |
| 206 | And that began my great and long term committed search to studying psychology. Because I'm like, | 这开始了我的伟大和长期 致力于研究心理学。 因为我喜欢, |
| 207 | why do I think so dumb? Why do I feel so bad about myself? How do you overcome, you know, | 为什么我觉得这么蠢? 为什么我对自己这么难过? 你怎样克服,你知道, |
| 208 | depression? How do I deal with this sadness? Why do I still have so much hatred in my heart about | 抑郁症? 我该怎么应付这种悲伤? 为什么我心中还有这么多的仇恨 |
| 209 | something that happened so long ago? Like, just all this, like people say forgiveness, how do you | 很久以前发生的事? 像,所有这一切, 像人们说宽恕,你如何 |
| 210 | do that? So I started reading everything in psychology first, then I came into personal | 这样做? 于是我开始阅读心理学的一切,然后我进入个人 |
| 211 | development. And then I got into spirituality. Then I got into leadership development. Then I | 发展。 然后我进入了精神。 后进入领导力培养阶段. 礛и |
| 212 | got into business. It was every single thing of like, how do I change myself? So much so you and | 开始做生意。 我如何改变自己? 这么多,你和 |
| 213 | I have this shared history. We both worked at a consulting company. Absolutely. I was a change | 我有共同的历史。 我们都在一家咨询公司工作 当然 我是一个变化 |
| 214 | management consultant, because I spent literally from that moment for the next six years, | 管理顾问 因为我从那时起 花了六年时间 |
| 215 | studying change in some way or another, studying psychology, studying political science, | 以某种方式学习变化,学习心理学,学习政治学, |
| 216 | studying organizational communications and management to see how do you how do people | 学习组织沟通与管理 看你如何 |
| 217 | change. And so I became infatuated. So in personal development, I studied like, | 变化。 所以我变得迷恋。 所以,在个人发展, 我学习喜欢, |
| 218 | Dale Carnegie, and Napoleon Hill, and Earl Nightingale, and Zig Ziglar, and Jim Rowan, | 戴尔·卡内基、拿破仑·希尔、厄尔·南丁格尔、齐格·齐格拉、吉姆·罗文 |
| 219 | and Marianne Wimson, and Debbie Ford, and Louise Hay, and Wayne Dyer, and, you know, Tony Robbins, | 还有玛丽安·温森 黛比·福特 路易丝·海 韦恩·戴尔 还有托尼·罗宾斯 |
| 220 | and just Brian Tracy, and anyone can get my hands on there. In psychology, I got into Carl Rogers, | 只有Brian Tracy 任何人都能帮我 在心理学,我进入卡尔罗杰斯, |
| 221 | and Abraham Maslow, and Alfred Adler. You know, in political science, I was, you know, studying | 亚伯拉罕·马斯洛和阿尔弗雷德·阿德勒 你知道,在政治学,我在,你知道,学习 |
| 222 | this person in philosophy, I was going down the rabbit hole. And I was just eating and absorbing | 这个人在哲学界, 我正要去兔子洞。 我只是在吃饭和吸收 |
| 223 | it, and asking the questions every day, and trying to live it. And the most important thing | 每天都在问问题 试着活下去 还有最重要的事情 |
| 224 | that my that at my time, I said, you know what, I want to learn to be confident. I want to learn how | 我想学会自信 我想学习如何 |
| 225 | to communicate well. And I want to learn to have great relationships. So I studied those things | 来沟通 我想学会有 伟大的关系。 所以我研究了那些东西 |
| 226 | really intensely. I just tried them. I tried them. And I literally I was so good about making little | 非常强烈。 我刚刚试过了 我试过了 我从字面上说,我是如此优秀 做小 |
| 227 | goal sheets, and trying and that was the year I also began my monthly goals. So on the first day | 目标表, 尝试,那是一年 我开始我的月度目标。 所以第一天开始 |
| 228 | of every month, to this day, I write a personal goal and a professional goal. That is the outside | 直到今天,我写了一个个人目标和专业目标。 这是外面 |
| 229 | of all the things I'm trying to achieve. The personal goal is something like, be more patient | 我试图实现的一切 个人目标就是 耐心点 |
| 230 | this month. And every day I look out on the way out, I put on the door, I'd walk out and be patient, | 这个月 我每天都在外边看,我把门, 我走出去,并有耐心, |
| 231 | no matter what my other goals or objectives were, that was like the defining personal theme. So I | 无论我的其他目的或目标是什么, 这就像定义性的个人主题。 所以说 |
| 232 | created monthly challenge themes for 23 years. You know, patients have come up a lot of times. | 创建了23年的每月挑战主题。 你知道,病人来了很多次。 |
| 233 | It's like joy has come up a lot of times. Yes. You know, staying centered has come up a lot of | 谓 欢喜踊跃如来. 对 你知道,留在中心 已经出现了很多 |
| 234 | times. It's not like I have ever achieved. I've no one achieves personal development. | 时间。 亦非我所成就过. 我从来没有人实现个人发展. |
| 235 | Agreed. Or purpose. It is like an intention and a dedication. And so that's where it started. And | 同意,我同意你的话。 或有宗旨. 这就像一种意图和奉献。 由此而起. 还有 |
| 236 | by studying all that, it gave me the edge. I really believe when you are a student of life, | 通过研究这一切, 它给了我边缘。 我真的相信,当你是一个学生的生活, |
| 237 | especially in psychology and philosophy, you get the edge because when people are having problems, | 尤其是在心理学和哲学方面,你得到了优势 因为当人们有问题, |
| 238 | you can see perspective around it. And once you have perspective, you got superpowers | 你可以看到周围的视角。 一旦你有远见,你就有超能力 |
| 239 | because most people are trapped in their problems. And if you have perspective of how people have | 因为大多数人都陷入了困境 如果你对人们的感受 |
| 240 | solved or managed these things in the past, you have superpowers to people. They can't believe | 过去解决或管理这些事情 你对人有超能力 他们不敢相信 |
| 241 | that. How did you know to say that or that? I'm like, Oh, I read that in a personal development | 那个 你怎么会这么说? 我读到的是个人发展 |
| 242 | book 10 years ago. And that made the big difference for me. Wow. It made a big | 10年前的书。 这让我大有改观 珃 它是一个大 |
| 243 | difference. So it's just reading. I mean, I read a book a week for 23 years. I love that. Never | 差别。 故唯读而已. 我每周读一本书23年 我喜欢 从不 |
| 244 | missed. That's not true. Four times in my life I missed. Two of them were in hospital. So that's | 错过。 这不是真的。 我错过了四次 其中两人在医院。 这么说吧 |
| 245 | it. Oh, wow. I'm a reader. And then I try to apply it. Yeah. Try to apply. And then the ultimate | 这个 哦,哇呜。 我是个读者。 然后我尝试应用它。 对 尝试应用。 然后最终 |
| 246 | challenge is I made my career about it. That forced me to develop skill. When I was a consultant | 挑战在于,我为此做了事业。 这迫使我发展技能。 我当顾问的时候 |
| 247 | first, then became a coach, then decided to become a researcher and a writer in this field, | 首先,然后成为一名教练, 然后决定成为一名研究员 和这个领域的作家, |
| 248 | I had to prove my chops. There was no just talk about it. It wasn't posting on Instagram | 我必须证明我的排骨。 没有只是谈论它。 不是在Instagram上发的 |
| 249 | because I didn't have that. It was, can I sit in a room with an executive and change? Yes. | 因为我没有。 是的,我可以坐在一个房间里 与一个执行和更换? 对 |
| 250 | Can I get the change? Can I sit with a high profile athlete who's in trouble with their | 我能找零钱吗? 我可以和一位高调运动员坐在一起吗? |
| 251 | behavior? Can I get the change? Can I sit down with the person who wants to start a business | 行为? 我能找零钱吗? 我可以和想创业的人坐下来吗? |
| 252 | and give them that confidence they need? Like whatever it was, it was real time challenges | 并给他们所需的信心? 不管是什么,都是实时挑战 |
| 253 | for so long that fortunately that experience helped me. Yeah, absolutely. And I love what | 如此之久,幸运的是 那经历帮助了我。 当然 我喜欢什么 |
| 254 | you're talking about because I think we have such an answer obsession today. Like we're all looking | 你是在说,因为我认为我们今天有 这样一个答案的痴迷。 就像我们都在寻找 |
| 255 | for the answers. We're all trying to find the answers. And actually what you're saying is | 为了答案。 我们都在寻找答案 其实你说的是 |
| 256 | the emphasis should be on the questions, finding the right questions to ask and then finding where | 重点应放在问题上,找出正确的问题,然后找出问题所在。 |
| 257 | to find the answers to those questions, which led you into psychology and led you into political | 找到这些问题的答案, 让你进入心理学 并引导你进入政治 |
| 258 | science and led you into philosophy and led you to all these places because you were asking the | 科学,引导你进入哲学 并引导你到所有这些地方 因为你问 |
| 259 | right questions. Yeah. And I think there's such an answer obsession today with we want the answer. | 正确的问题。 对 我认为今天有这样一个答案 迷恋我们想要答案。 |
| 260 | We want to know how this works and why it works. But we've just got to go deeper into asking that | 我们想知道它是如何运作的,它为什么运作。 但我们得更深入地去问 |
| 261 | question more sincerely, more genuinely. And so much more comes from that because you just feel | 更真诚、更真诚的问题。 还有很多事情要从中产生 因为你觉得 |
| 262 | inspired by that question. I feel, and what you mean by student of life, like when you're a student | 受这个问题启发。 我感觉,你所说的生活的学生, 就像当你是一个学生 |
| 263 | of life, it means you're questioning. That's it. Right. That's what it means. What else does it mean? | 生命,这意味着你正在质疑。 就这样 对 其义也. 这是什么意思? |
| 264 | Talk about questioning. Like I had been doing seminars and coaching for six, seven years at | 谈问讯. 就像我做了6,7年的研讨会和辅导 |
| 265 | a really high level, but I was wondering, I'm like, is my stuff right? Is it true? Am I one | 一个非常高的水平, 但我想知道,我一样, 我的东西对不对? 真的吗? 我是一个 |
| 266 | of these guys who just taught like, let me super test it. So we did the research. I teamed up with | 这些家伙刚刚教的喜欢, 让我超级测试它。 所以我们做了研究。 我和他搭档 |
| 267 | a researcher from University of Pennsylvania's positive psychology department and a researcher | 宾夕法尼亚大学正心理学系研究员和研究员 |
| 268 | at UC Santa Barbara. We conducted the world's largest study of high performers of all time. | 在圣巴巴拉大学 我们进行了全世界有史以来最大规模的高成绩者研究。 |
| 269 | Like no other study has been this big, this comprehensive, this deep dive. 190 countries? | 就像没有其他的研究是这么大,这么全面,这么深潜。 190个国家? |
| 270 | 190 countries. I mean, millions of data points. And the reason, because no one would spend the | 190个国家。 我的意思是,数百万的数据点。 原因,因为没有人会花 |
| 271 | money on it. I was like, oh, I'll kick this. Let's figure this out. Because I want to know | 钱在上面。 我当时想,哦,我会踢这个。 让我们想想办法 因为我想知道 |
| 272 | that what I'm doing is precise and academically validated. But I only bring that up because the | 我所做的是精确的 学术上的验证。 但我只是提出这一点,因为 |
| 273 | first habit that we discovered of high performers worldwide and high performers tend to be the top | 我们发现的第一种习惯是 全世界高水平的表演者和高水平的表演者 往往是最好的 |
| 274 | 15% of successful people in whatever field that is. And usually, you know, and that's the broad 190 | 15%的成功者 在任何领域。 通常,你知道, 这是190宽 |
| 275 | countries in the U S it's the top 3%. Hands down, the habit that really changed their trajectory | 在美国,这是前3%。 手放下来, 改变轨迹的习惯 |
| 276 | was this habit called seek clarity. No, it doesn't say get clarity. High performers seek clarity. | 这个习惯叫求明确 不,它没有说得到清晰。 高表现者寻求清晰. |
| 277 | I'll give an example. Like with, with Oprah, I've had the blessing of working with Oprah. | 我举个例子 和奥普拉一样,我有幸和奥普拉合作 |
| 278 | If you have a meeting with Oprah, when she walks that meeting, her first thing she asks is what's | 如果你和奥普拉有个会面 当她散步的时候 她问的第一件事就是 |
| 279 | our intention for this meeting? Now lots of executives walk in meetings, they just start | 我们打算举行这次会议吗? 现在很多高管在开会时走来走去 他们才刚开始 |
| 280 | the meetings. She's seeking clarity of what is this about? And you take an under performer in | 会议。 她想弄清楚这是怎么回事? 你带一个表演不足的人进来 |
| 281 | the work world or at your job, what they, they just bumble in and they're like, okay, let's just do it. | 工作环境或你的工作,什么, 他们只是跳进来,他们喜欢,好吧,让我们做它。 |
| 282 | High performers go, what is this about? Where does it fit in? What's the priority? They're asking | 表演高的人去,这是怎么回事? 它在哪里适合吗? 何等为重. 他们问 |
| 283 | themselves questions constantly and not questions of self doubt, questions of clarity. Like, like, | 自己不断提出疑问,而不是自我怀疑的问题,即澄清问题。 喜欢,喜欢, |
| 284 | who could I be? What's my best self look in this situation? | 我可以是谁? 我最擅长的是什么? |
| 285 | You know, that's a question high performers ask. They, they want to know how can I be of | 你知道,这是一个问题 高业绩者问。 他们想知道我怎么会 |
| 286 | most service in the situation? A lot of people just go through the motions. High performers | 大部分服务在这种情况下? 很多人只是通过动议。 高业绩者 |
| 287 | seek clarity. They ask the questions and because they get clarity and seek clarity throughout the | 寻求清晰。 他们问问题 因为他们得到清晰 并寻求清晰 |
| 288 | process, they get ahead faster because a lot of people just, and they're good, but a lot of people | 过程,他们走得更快 因为很多人只是, 他们很好,但很多人 |
| 289 | are just brunt force workers. They'll just go and do it and they'll just apply force and will and | 他们只是首当其冲的工人 他们只是去做, 他们只是使用武力和意志, |
| 290 | hope and fire and hours at something. But often they're running in the wrong direction. Yeah, | 希望和火 和几个小时的东西。 但他们经常朝错误的方向跑. 对 |
| 291 | absolutely. High performers, you know, it's like in direction. Some people will drive for 50 minutes. | 当然 表现高的人,你知道, 这就像方向。 有些人会开车50分钟 |
| 292 | Other people will pull aside in five and go, Hey, where do I go? That's the high performer. | 其他人会在5分钟后撤走,我去哪儿? 这才是高演者. |
| 293 | And they're going to get there faster and succeed in life. That's seeking clarity. | 他们将会更快地到达那里,并在生活中取得成功. 这是在寻求清晰。 |
| 294 | And that sometimes feels scarier to do because you have to open up yourself to | 这有时会觉得害怕 因为你必须敞开心扉 |
| 295 | vulnerability, not knowing you feel like you're not intelligent. Now what the other person may | 脆弱性,不知道你觉得自己不聪明。 现在其他人可以做什么 |
| 296 | perceive you as different, like how do you break that, that barrier of like being okay with saying, | 觉得你不同了,就像你如何打破那障碍, 就像可以说, |
| 297 | you know, I don't know and I want to find out how do you break that? Because I think for so | 你知道,我不知道,我想 找出如何打破这一点? 因为我这么想 |
| 298 | many people, even raising their hand at an event or going up and really asking your question, | 很多人,甚至举手 在一个活动或去 真正问你的问题, |
| 299 | I used to, I used to say to people all the time, I was like, when you see someone you admire, | 我以前,我一直对人说, 我很喜欢,当你看到一个你崇拜的人, |
| 300 | stop asking for a picture, ask for a question, you know, it's like, you know what I mean? Like | 停止问照片,问一个问题, 你知道,这就像,你知道我的意思吗? 喜欢 |
| 301 | you get asked for pictures all the time. And I'm like, why, if you had a moment, like, let's just | 你总是被问到图片。 而我喜欢,为什么, 如果你有一个时间, 像,让我们只是 |
| 302 | imagine, let's take Oprah, you have a moment with Oprah, are you going to ask a picture or are you | 想象一下,让我们拿奥普拉, 你有一个时间与奥普拉, 你要问一张照片还是你 |
| 303 | going to ask for a question? You know, it's like, it's that there. And if I meet you, it's like, | 要问一个问题吗? 你知道,这就像, 这是在那里。 如果我见到你,就像, |
| 304 | can I ask for a picture? Am I going to ask Brendan for a question? You studied 190 countries and the | 我能要张照片吗? 我要问布兰登一个问题吗? 你研究了190个国家和 |
| 305 | top performers. I'm hoping I would ask you a question. And I think, so how do you get there? | 顶级表演者。 我希望我会问你一个问题。 我想,所以你如何到达那里? |
| 306 | How do you get to a point where you wire your brain in such a way that you break the fear of, | 如何达到一个点,你 线你的大脑的方式 打破恐惧, |
| 307 | I'm scared of looking silly. I'm scared of looking stupid. I'm scared of looking like I don't know. | 我害怕看起来很傻 我怕看起来很傻 我害怕看起来像我不知道。 |
| 308 | And actually recognizing that's a strength. Yeah. I would say maybe not the most popular answer. I | 而实际上承认这是一个力量。 对 我想说也许不是最流行的答案。 一、导 言 |
| 309 | go to the fear. How are you going to look silly or stupid? You're not going to ask questions | 去恐惧。 你怎么看起来傻还是傻? 你不会问问题的 |
| 310 | and you're going to end up in the wrong place. And people are like, why don't you just ask, | 你会在错误的地方。 人们会说,你为什么不问, |
| 311 | like follow the fear. If the fear says, I'm scared. I'm look stupid by asking questions like, | 喜欢跟随恐惧。 如果恐惧说,我很害怕。 我问这样的问题看起来很蠢 |
| 312 | well, let's flip that. Cause if you don't ask questions, you're definitely going to look stupid. | 好吧,让我们翻过来。 因为如果你不问问题, 你肯定会看起来很愚蠢。 |
| 313 | You're definitely going to end up in the wrong place. You're definitely, I mean, | 你绝对会走错地方的 你绝对是,我的意思是, |
| 314 | you're, you're manifesting the very thing you fear by not doing the thing | 你是在表现你害怕的事 不这样做 |
| 315 | that you're scared and being, you know, you don't want to be vulnerable about. | 你害怕,而且,你知道,你不想 变得脆弱。 |
| 316 | Yeah. So I think one first, I'm always a guy. I'm like, pay attention to research. | 对 所以我想首先,我总是一个人。 我很喜欢,注意研究。 |
| 317 | If the research clearly says, like I'm, I'm a little bit scientific in my mind that way. I'm | 如果研究明确无误地说,像我一样,我心里有一点科学。 и琌 |
| 318 | like, if the research says clearly across 190 countries and some of the most successful people | 如,如果研究明确 190个国家和一些最成功的人 |
| 319 | on the planet, they ask more questions and they're intentional and thoughtful about that, | 在地球上,他们问更多的问题, 他们有意和深思熟虑的, |
| 320 | then start monitoring your questions. Cause what most people will do, and you know this, | 然后开始监视你的问题 因为大多数人都会这么做 你知道的 |
| 321 | a lot of their questions are horrible. Why do I suck? Why don't I fit in? | 他们的很多问题都很糟糕 为什么我吸? 为什么我不适合呢? |
| 322 | Why don't I have what she has? You know, what's wrong with me? This is what people do ask. | 为什么我没有她拥有的东西? 你知道,我怎么了吗? 此是众生所问. |
| 323 | People listen to their thoughts. A lot of their thoughts are negative questions. What's wrong with | 众生谛听思惟. 他们的许多想法都是负面的问题. 有什么不对劲 |
| 324 | me? You're already asking questions. It's just the quality of your questions are probably pretty low. | 我吗? 你已经在问问题了 只是你的问题质量可能很低 |
| 325 | Great. So now we need to first more actively seek and ask questions, be vulnerable about it. | 不错 因此,现在我们需要首先更加积极地寻求和提出问题,对此要脆弱。 |
| 326 | Pay attention to the quality of questions you're already asking. And what we found in the | 注意你已经提出的问题的质量. 而我们发现在 |
| 327 | research was really easy for people if they want to draw the circle out or draw these circles out. | 如果人们想画出圆圈或者画出这些圆圈,研究就很容易。 |
| 328 | Specifically, we went to the research and I interviewed 300 of the top high performers in | 具体来说,我们去了研究,我采访了300名优秀的演员 |
| 329 | the world, not for podcasts, but like in real, like structured academic style. And here's what | 世界,不是播客,而是真实的,像结构化的学术风格。 这样 |
| 330 | they tend to be more clear about. They are more clear about self, social, skill, and service. | 他们往往更清楚。 他们更清楚地了解自我、社会、技能和服务。 |
| 331 | And here's the breakdown of that. Self is they have an intention of who they want to be. | 情况是这样的 自我是他们想要成为什么样的人 |
| 332 | And they're clear about that. Like if you could describe your ideal self, we did this in the | 他们很清楚这一点。 就像如果你可以描述你的理想的自我, 我们这样做在 |
| 333 | research, it's actually on video. It's interesting. If you ask an under performer or a high performer | 研究,其实是在视频上。 这很有趣。 如果你问低级或高级表演者 |
| 334 | on video, could you describe your ideal self, drop three or four words to describe your ideal self, | 在视频上,你能描述你的理想自我, 放下三四个字来描述你的理想自我, |
| 335 | high performers, bop, bop, bop. The answers like fall right on their mouth. Underperformers like, | 高表现者,bop,bop,bop. 答案就像掉在嘴上一样 内行者喜欢, |
| 336 | it's almost like they never thought about it. So they didn't have the intention about who they | 就像他们从没想过那样 所以,他们并不打算 他们是谁 |
| 337 | wanted to be. So what I have people do is in their phone, I have them program their alarm | 想成为。 所以,我的人做的是在他们的手机, 我让他们编程他们的警报 |
| 338 | to describe their best self in three words and make that alarm pop up throughout the day. | 用三个字来描述他们最好的自我 并让警报响起一整天。 |
| 339 | So you're walking, cause you always look at your phone where it buzzes. It buzzes the alarm and it | 所以你在走路, 因为你总是看你的手机 它响的地方。 它响起警报,它 |
| 340 | says bold, dynamic, confident. Great. Says that over and over or kind, loving, thoughtful, you know, | 说大胆,充满活力,自信。 不错 一遍又一遍地说,或者善良, 爱,周到,你知道, |
| 341 | or generous, empathetic, you know, whatever. When that pops up over and over and over, | 或慷慨,爱慕,你知道的,随便。 当它突然突然出现时 |
| 342 | it starts to set the intention in the mind a little bit. That's why people should use | 它开始在思想中设定了一点意图。 这就是为什么人们应该使用 |
| 343 | affirmations to on the social side. They were incredibly intentional about how they wanted | 向社会方面肯定。 他们非常有意地想怎样 |
| 344 | other people to feel, you know, I just talked about this out there about what I love about you | 其他人会觉得,你知道, 我刚刚谈论了这一点 在那里,我爱你 |
| 345 | is you want people to feel like they are your friend and you want to feel like a friend to them. | 你想让别人觉得他们是你的朋友 也想让他们觉得是朋友 |
| 346 | That's a social intention. You're clear about that. And you even said when you got clear about that, | 这是社会意图。 你很清楚这一点。 你甚至说当你明白这一点, |
| 347 | something changed for you. Yeah, that's it. It was huge. And I think what I love about what you're | 东西改变你。 是的,就是这样。 这是巨大的。 我觉得我喜欢的是你是什么 |
| 348 | sharing right now is this. We always get lost in the confusion of who we are, even at the most | 现在分享就是这个 我们总是迷失在 困惑我们是谁, 即使最多 |
| 349 | basic things. So what I say to people is like, how many times have you ever stayed up and struggled | 基本的东西。 所以,我对人们说是这样的, 你曾经多少次留下来和挣扎 |
| 350 | to find something to watch on Netflix? It sounds like a stupid example, but my point is I'm guessing | 找些东西在Netflix上看? 这听起来像一个愚蠢的例子, 但我要说的是,我猜 |
| 351 | a high performer knows exactly what type of movies they like. They know what type of food they like | 优秀的演员知道他们喜欢哪种电影 他们知道自己喜欢哪种食物 |
| 352 | in the morning for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And when you ask people, they'll say, oh no, no, | 早上吃早餐 吃午饭 吃晚饭 当你问人们, 他们会说,哦,不, |
| 353 | but I like being spontaneous. And often I think that that answer means I don't know, or I don't | 但我喜欢自发 我常常认为,答案 表示我不知道,或我不 |
| 354 | really think about these things. And so if you ask a high performer, what kind of movies do you like? | 真正思考这些东西。 所以,如果你问一个高演者, 你喜欢什么样的电影? |
| 355 | They'll be able to say, these are my favorite movies. I found that when I could have more | 他们会说,这是我最喜欢的电影。 我发现,当我可以得到更多的 |
| 356 | self-awareness about what movies are like, I had more self-awareness about how I wanted to be in | 自我意识 电影是什么样子, 我更自我意识 如何我想加入 |
| 357 | social situations and self. And I think it starts with the small things and the big things. | 社会状况和自我。 我认为它从小事和大事开始。 |
| 358 | Everything from what you want to eat for breakfast all the way through to | 从你想吃的东西 早餐一直到 |
| 359 | how are you going to serve and impact the world? It's the superpower you have because you meditate, | 你打算如何服务 和影响世界? 这是你的超能力 因为你冥想 |
| 360 | because you journal, you write, you reflect. That reflective process of our lives has gotten | 因为你的日记,你写,你反省。 我们生活的反省过程 |
| 361 | kind of stolen away by the distractions. So people don't know. And you could see, | 那种被转移注意力偷走。 故众生不知. 你可以看到, |
| 362 | you could see in video, they're like, ah, they don't know. The other element is skill. | 你可以看到视频, 他们就像,啊,他们不知道。 另一个要素是技能。 |
| 363 | So they, like a high performer, you say, what's two or three skills you're working on in your | 所以,他们,像一个高的表演者, 你说,什么是两三个技能 你工作在你的 |
| 364 | life right now that you're actively learning or training on? They're like bop, bop, bop. | 你现在在积极学习还是训练? 他们就像bop,bop,bop。 |
| 365 | Underperformers like, I don't know. Like they're almost hoping to get better. | 内行者如,不知. 就像他们几乎希望好起来。 |
| 366 | And you're like, oh, no, you need to decide. These are skills. Like for me, I sucked on video. | 而你就像,哦,不, 你需要决定。 这些是技能。 对我来说,我吸在视频上。 |
| 367 | Sucked. It's hard to believe it. No, I got my video guy, Travis, here right here. He could | 烂透了 难得信解. 不,我得到了我的视频人,特拉维斯,在这里。 他能够 |
| 368 | tell you 10 years ago, I was kind of horrible. Really, Travis? Yes. Oh, wow. It was a nod. | 十年前告诉你 我有点恐怖 真的吗,特拉维斯? 对 哦,哇呜。 那是点头 |
| 369 | I couldn't believe it. It was awful. I mean, even before him, I had the, | 难以置信 这是可怕的。 我的意思是,即使在他之前,我有过, |
| 370 | you remember flip video cameras? No one knows what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. I remember. | 你还记得翻转的摄像机吗? 没有人知道我在说什么。 对 我记得 |
| 371 | The flip video camera, it was like just a stick and it had a button on it. And I would die. | 翻转的录像机 就像一根棍子 上面有按钮 我会死 |
| 372 | I was broke living in an apartment at the time. And I duct tape it around this box and press the | 当时我住在一间公寓里 我用胶带胶带绕着这个盒子按下 |
| 373 | button. And I had my shirt was all open and my hair was like all over. And I was like, | 按钮。 而我的衬衫都开着 头发也一样 我当时想, |
| 374 | because I didn't know how to talk to camera. I didn't know how to be myself. Yeah. I was | 因为我不知道怎么和摄像机说话 我不知道如何成为我自己。 对 и琌 |
| 375 | video was really awkward for me. I like, and all the personality tests, believe it or not, | 视频对我来说很尴尬 我喜欢 所有个性测试 信不信由你 |
| 376 | I'm half introvert half. I'm right down the line between intro and expert. | 我一半内向。 我马上要开始和专家接触了 |
| 377 | So I need my personal time. So camera was super awkward for me. And I was like, okay, | 所以我需要私人时间 相机对我来说太尴尬了 我当时想,好吧, |
| 378 | but if I want to change the world, guess what is necessary? Communication skills. | 但如果我想改变世界 猜猜有什么必要? 沟通技巧. |
| 379 | I'm going to have to learn that. I was not, I didn't, I wasn't raised in a place. I was | 我得学着点 我没有,我没有,我没有在一个地方长大。 и琌 |
| 380 | raised in Montana where men didn't really communicate except with looks, glances and | 在蒙大拿州长大的 除了外表,外表和外表 |
| 381 | fists, you know? So it was like, if a guy lifted, it wasn't like we, like we're gesturing. | 拳头,你知道吗? 所以,它就像,如果一个人解除, 它不是像我们, 像我们在取笑。 |
| 382 | Where I'm from, if their hand came up, you're getting punched in the face, man. That was it. | 我来自哪里,如果他们的手升起来, 你会被拳打脸,伙计。 就这样 |
| 383 | So I had to learn emotional intelligence. That's a skill. So communication, emotional intelligence. | 所以我不得不学习情感智能。 那是个技巧 所以沟通,情感智慧。 |
| 384 | When I got into our business, I had to learn copywriting. I know what that was. Email | 当我进入我们的生意, 我不得不学习复制写作。 我知道这是什么。 电子邮件 |
| 385 | marketing. I didn't know that. I had to learn coding. I don't, none of that. I knew what it was, | 营销。 我不知道这一点。 我不得不学习编码。 我没有,没有。 我知道这是什么 |
| 386 | but I was always confident. And I think real confidence is your belief in your ability to | 但我总是有信心。 我认为真正的自信是 你相信自己的能力 |
| 387 | figure things out. I believe in my ability to figure things out, give me enough time, energy, | 想想办法 我相信我有能力把事情弄清楚 给我足够的时间和精力 |
| 388 | resources, study books, mentors. I will figure out, you want me to go to the moon? I'll figure | 资源,研究书籍,导师. 我会想办法的,你想让我去月球吗? 我会想的 |
| 389 | it out. Even though I have no idea today, I can learn and get mentors. So that's a deep part of | 它出来了。 虽今日不知,可学而得导师. 所以这是深层的部分 |
| 390 | my life. High performers have that. They just believe they'll figure things out. That confidence | 我的生活,我的生命,我的生命,我的生命,我的生命,我的生命,我的生命,我的生命,我的生命 高演者有这个. 他们只是相信他们能解决问题 这种自信 |
| 391 | is what ties a lot of their habits and their abilities together. So skillset. Oh, I better | 他们的习惯与能力是联系在一起的 这么高明 哦,我最好这样 |
| 392 | learn copywriting and video. So I practiced video a bajillion times. I forced myself to do it a | 学习复制和录像。 所以我练习了几百万次。 我强迫自己这么做 |
| 393 | bajillion times. And now I have 28 online courses and Travis has been there. I shoot all of them | 巴吉利亿次. 现在我有28个在线课程 特拉维斯也去过那里 我把他们都杀了 |
| 394 | extemp. Literally, I'll do a two hour video with the flip chart, five words on a pen. I don't, | 释曰. 从字面上讲,我会用翻转图拍2小时的视频,5个字在笔上. 我没有 |
| 395 | I don't need a script or anything. Going from a kid who was like, but, you know, I couldn't get | 我不需要剧本什么的 从一个孩子喜欢, 但是,你知道,我不能得到 |
| 396 | it out to just flowing, do four day seminars by myself for 10 hours a day on stage speaking. | 它只是流动, 做四天 研讨会我自己 每天10小时 在舞台演讲。 |
| 397 | Like, you know, artists lose their voice sometimes singing for three hours. I go 10 hours a day for | 比如说,艺术家有时会失去他们的声音 唱了三个小时。 我每天去10小时 |
| 398 | four days. I had to learn vocal control. I had no idea how to do that. That was a skill, | 四天时间 我得学声控 我不知道该怎么做 那是个技巧 |
| 399 | but that's the important thing. Everyone listening, please write down what are the top skills you | 但这是最重要的事情。 大家听好,请记下你最擅长的 |
| 400 | would need to master to succeed in your purpose, in your life, in your career. And the last element | 需要掌握你的使命 生活 事业 最后一点 |
| 401 | there was service. High performers, they kind of know the service they want to bring to the world. | 有服务。 高水平的表演者 他们知道自己想给世界带来什么服务 |
| 402 | That's why I was like, Jay's going to smash this. Because I mean, you were so humble. You're like, | 这就是为什么我说,杰会砸烂这个。 因为你很谦卑 碞钩 |
| 403 | I've only been doing this X amount of time, Brendan, but you already knew you want to make | 我只是做了这个X的时间,布伦丹, 但你已经知道 你想做 |
| 404 | wisdom go viral and you knew what was true to you. You knew the type of purpose you wanted to make. | 智慧会传播,你知道什么是真实的 你知道你想达到什么样的目的 |
| 405 | And you were, and you're still seeking that out and clarifying like we all are, | 而你是,你仍在寻找 出来和澄清,像我们都是, |
| 406 | but high performers know the service they want to give to the world. And they don't know it | 但表现优秀的人知道他们想要给世界的服务。 他们不知道 |
| 407 | exactly or perfectly, but they're intentionally moving towards that. And so for those who are | 完全或者完美,但是他们正有意走向这个。 对于那些 |
| 408 | like, I don't know if I have clarity. I'm like, okay, get clarity about yourself a little more | 喜欢,我不知道 如果我有清楚。 我好像,好吧, 更清楚一点自己 |
| 409 | about how you want to treat people and be with people about what you need to develop | 如何对待人 与人在一起 关于你需要发展 |
| 410 | and how you want to give or serve. And if you focus on that, like every day, every week, | 以及你想怎样奉献或服务。 如果你专注于这一点, 像每天,每个星期, |
| 411 | you're conscious of those four things. One day you're just so much more confident and clear. | 你意识到这四件事 总有一天你更自信和清晰 |
| 412 | Absolutely. Yeah. And what I love about that is just this, sometimes it's just what you're | 当然 对 我最爱的就是这个 有时你就是这个 |
| 413 | fascinated with right now. That's right. Because I think sometimes we make it too big and we're like, | 迷着现在. 没错 因为我觉得有时候我们把它弄得太大了 我们就像, |
| 414 | oh, well, what's my big purpose or what's my big service to the world? And it's like, well, | 哦,好吧,什么是我的大 目的或什么是我的大 服务为世界? 这就像,嗯, |
| 415 | what moves you right now? Like, what are you interested in right now? I mean, mine was totally | 你现在有什么动静? 你现在对什么感兴趣? 我的意思是,我的完全是一个 |
| 416 | the opposite way. I grew up as a really shy kid. I'm right down the middle of intro and extro too. | 反之则曰. 我小时候很害羞 右下正显外道也. |
| 417 | And my parents forced me to go to public speaking and drama school when I was 14 years old, | 我14岁时父母强迫我上公共演讲和戏剧学校 |
| 418 | because they were scared that I was too shy and I was too much of an introvert. And I didn't know | 因为他们害怕我太害羞 我太内向了 我当时不知道 |
| 419 | how to communicate. So my parents forced me to go from my school. It's an extracurricular activity. | 如何沟通. 所以我的父母强迫我离开学校 课外活动. |
| 420 | I went three times a week, three hours every week from ages 14 to 18. Wow. The practice, | 我每周去三次 从14岁到18岁每周三个小时 珃 实践, |
| 421 | the exams that we were examined on reading a paragraph from a book with tonality and being | 我们读到一本书的一段 内容和内容 |
| 422 | able to bring a story to life just through words and visuals. And then being able to, there was | 能通过文字和视觉把故事带给生命 之后,能够,有 |
| 423 | this thing called impromptu presentations where you got a subject five minutes before you had | 这个东西叫做即兴表演 在那里你得到了一个课题 在你得到五分钟前 |
| 424 | to go in and talk about it. And you'd be able to talk about it and you couldn't say anything that | 进去谈谈 而你可以谈论它,你不能说什么 |
| 425 | wasn't true. So you had to make sure that it was all factual and whatever you did resets in those | 这不是真的。 所以,你必须确保这一切都是事实 和无论你做了什么 在那些 |
| 426 | five to 10, 15 minutes was right. And, and I remember doing that and I get to the end of that | 5到10,15分钟是正确的。 而且,我记得这样做, 我得到的结尾 |
| 427 | and I was like, oh, well, I've got this skill now, but I don't know what to use it for because | 我当时想,哦,嗯,我现在有这种技能, 但我不知道该怎么用它,因为 |
| 428 | that's basically what I was like at 18. I was like, oh, so I've learned how to do public speaking. | 这就是我18岁时的样子。 所以我学会了公开演讲 |
| 429 | I'm now four years into my London Academy of Music, Drama and Arts, and I've got, you know, | 我现在进入我的伦敦音乐、戏剧和艺术学院 已经四年了 |
| 430 | gold medal in this, this, this. But I was like, what do I do with this? Because I had nothing to | 金牌在这,这个,这个。 但我想,我该怎么办? 因为我什么都没有 |
| 431 | talk about. And then when I started studying philosophy from the Eastern perspective of the | 谈谈 然后当我开始从东方的角度研究哲学 |
| 432 | Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita, I was like, oh, this is what I was meant to learn it for. Wow. Like it | Vedas和Bhagavad Gita, 我当时想,哦,这就是我要学它的目的。 珃 喜欢 |
| 433 | almost like was I had a skill with no service. Sure. And, and I don't want, that's what I'm | 几乎就像我有一个技能 没有服务。 当然 和,我不想,这就是我 |
| 434 | saying that if you're listening to this right now and you have a skill with no service, don't | 说如果你现在在听这个 并且你有技能 没有服务,不要 |
| 435 | worry. Or if you have a service with no skill, don't worry. That's right. You know, just go and | 担心。 或有勤勤勤勤勤勤勤勤勤勤勤勤谨. 没错 你知道,只是去和 |
| 436 | find the missing piece of the jigsaw you just gave us. Yes. This four piece jigsaw you just gave us. | 找到那块你刚刚给我们的锯子 对 你刚刚给我们的这四块拼图 |
| 437 | Chances are you probably have one of them. Yeah. And then you can go and build the other three, | 你也许有其中之一 对 然后你可以去建造另外三个, |
| 438 | but don't worry about having all of them now. Right. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I love that. And | 但别担心现在都吃光了 对 对 我喜欢 对 我喜欢 还有 |
| 439 | you, you follow those interests and develop them or develop skills without even knowing how, | 你,你跟踪这些利益 开发他们或发展技能 甚至不知道如何, |
| 440 | so many people want the path to be completely clear now. And you and I were just talking about | 很多人希望道路现在完全清晰 你和我只是谈论 |
| 441 | this is like, you, you, you have to have faith in the timing of the path. You have to believe | 这就像,你,你,你,你, 你必须有信心 道路的时间。 你必须相信 |
| 442 | that serendipity will appear when it's supposed to appear, that purpose will reveal itself | 当它应该出现时,它就会出现,这个目的就会暴露出来 |
| 443 | sometimes in one battle. And sometimes in another battle, sometimes in this game or that game or | 有时在一场战斗中。 有时在另一场战斗中,有时在游戏中,有时在游戏中, |
| 444 | this thought or that activity. And, you know, I think people stress way too much about getting | 这个想法或那个活动。 而且,你知道,我觉得人们压力太大 关于获得 |
| 445 | clarity. And that's why I love the phrase seeking clarity, which came from research. No, they're | 明确。 这就是为什么我爱的短语 寻求清晰,它来自研究。 不,他们是 |
| 446 | just, they're actively seeking. It's not like a 60 year old high performer has everything figured | 只是,他们正在积极寻找。 又不是一个60岁高龄的演员 什么都想通了 |
| 447 | out more than a 30 year old high performer. By definition, what's making them high performers, | 一个30多岁高龄的演员 顾名思义,是什么让他们 高演技, |
| 448 | they're both still seeking to dial it in. Like you and I are going to be dialing it in our whole | 他们都还在试图拨号 碞钩иcm妓 и俱常穦ゴ筿杠 |
| 449 | life. Sometimes it'll be a shift. Sometimes it'd be a total break. Sometimes, but that doesn't | 活着 时有转法轮. 有时候会是完全休息 有时候,但这并不 |
| 450 | stop for anybody. No, it just doesn't. Yeah. I love that. I love that differentiation between | 停止任何人。 不,它只是没有。 对 我喜欢 我喜欢这种区分 |
| 451 | getting and seeking clarity. The other thing that fascinates me that you've written about high | 获得和寻求清晰。 还有一件事让我着迷 你写的高 |
| 452 | performers is this strive for perfection, where high performers can often be hard on themselves. | 表演者就是为完美而奋斗,在那里,高表演者往往会很难自拔。 |
| 453 | And, and I'd love to hear your perspective on this. It's this difference between the pressure | 我想听听你的观点 这是压力的区别 |
| 454 | that we place on ourselves versus complacency. Yeah. Because I think right now we're hearing a | 我们自满与自满 对 因为我现在想我们听到 |
| 455 | bit of both out there on social media and everywhere. And a lot of people are confused. | 在社交媒体上和到处都有 而多众生惑. |
| 456 | It's like, do I really go hard on myself? And am I really disciplined? And am I really harsh to | 这就像,我真的去硬自己? 我真的有纪律吗? 我真的很严厉 |
| 457 | myself? Or actually do I just let it go and just let it flow and let it happen? And, you know, | 我自己吗? 还是我只是让它消失,让它流畅,让它发生? 还有,你知道, |
| 458 | I want to hear what your research on the high performance said. Yeah. It came to perfection | 我想听听你对高性能的研究 对 完美无缺 |
| 459 | versus progress. Yeah. There's, there's no question they're more into progress than perfection. | 相对于进步. 对 毫无疑问,他们更喜欢进步而不是完美 |
| 460 | There's no question. There's like zero question that they are working on the things that move the | 无问. 就像零问题一样 他们正在研究那些移动 |
| 461 | needle in their life. So they're focused on the things that matter most. So they're good at | 针在他们的生活中。 所以他们专注于最重要的事情。 所以他们很擅长 |
| 462 | wheeling out distractions. But you know what I always tell people is like, if you think you're | 转出分心. 但是你知道我总是告诉人们, 如果你认为你是 |
| 463 | a perfectionist, you're probably lying. And the reason that is, and that people hate when I say | 一个完美主义者,你可能在撒谎。 原因,而人们讨厌 当我说 |
| 464 | that, but if you look it up in the book and the dictionary, it's like perfection. Like if you | 如果你在书本和字典里查一下 简直完美无缺 就像你这样 |
| 465 | actually look up perfection or to perfect, it comes from that root word to perfect. To perfect | 事实上,它看起来完美或完美, 它来自 根词至完美。 完美无缺 |
| 466 | does not mean it's done. To perfect means like two things happen in that connotation of to perfect. | 这并不意味着它做到了。 完美意味着有两件事 发生在完美中 |
| 467 | First, it has to be an iteration or a start. It has to be done in like first draft to perfect. | 首先,它必须是一个迭代或开始。 必须像初稿一样完美完成。 |
| 468 | It means take it from being done, being released, being out there, being, you know, where you feel | 它意味着从被做, 被释放, 在那里,你知道,你感觉 |
| 469 | like it's a start and then to perfect it, to keep working on it, to keep iterating on it. | 就像它是一个开始,然后完善它, 继续工作, 保持延绵。 |
| 470 | And what perfection, what perfectionists always say, here's what they really say. | 什么完美,什么完美主义者总是说, 这就是他们真正说的话。 |
| 471 | Well, I haven't started yet because I'm a perfectionist and I'm only going to do it | 好吧,我还没有开始 因为我是一个完美主义者,我只会做到这一点 |
| 472 | if I can get it completely right. No, you're lying. There's a difference between one, | 如果我能完全正确的话。 不,你在撒谎。 有一个区别, |
| 473 | there's a difference between perfecting and being fearful. And what most perfectionists are is | 完美和恐惧是不同的 而最完美主义者是 |
| 474 | they're scared. They're scared to start and scared not to get it right. So they don't even | 他们很害怕。 他们害怕开始,害怕搞错 所以他们甚至不 |
| 475 | begin. A real perfectionist is so in frigging motion. They are, they're perfecting, they're | 开始 一个真正的完美主义者 如此在该死的运动。 他们是,他们是完美的,他们是 |
| 476 | beating it up, they're iterating, they're dialing it in and they are active at it. To perfect | 击打它,他们累坏了, 他们拨它进去,他们活跃在它。 完美无缺 |
| 477 | requires an active improvement. And most people who say they're perfectionists are actually | 需要积极改进。 大部分说自己是完美主义者的人 |
| 478 | dead stop fear. And so I'm just like, be clear about where you're at. | 别害怕了 所以我就想 说清楚你在哪 |
| 479 | Yeah, absolutely. No, I think that's great advice. I love that advice because I've always | 当然 不,我觉得这是伟大的建议。 我喜欢这个建议,因为我一直 |
| 480 | had a rule since I started that all my videos are 70% complete. So that's my rule. It's 70%. | 自从我开始就有一个规则 所有视频都完成了70% 这就是我的规矩 It七成. |
| 481 | That's all you're getting. There's words that I say wrong, there's fumbles, there may be a few | 这就是你得到的。 有些话我说错了,有些乱七八糟的,可能有些 |
| 482 | mistakes here and there, the editing may be slight, but it's like my rule was 70% because | 错误在这里和那里, 编辑可能是轻微的, 但就像我的规则是70% 因为 |
| 483 | that journey from 70 or 75 to 99 could take decades. I would never release something. | 从70或75到99的旅程需要几十年的时间。 我永远不会放任何东西。 |
| 484 | And I remember in 2016 after my first ever video, one of my first videos that went viral, | 我记得在2016年,继我的第一个视频, 我的第一个视频 病毒化, |
| 485 | I actually got so scared because it was almost like, oh, I have to live up to that now. So I | 我吓坏了 因为现在我必须坚持住 所以说 |
| 486 | remember not creating. And so I went from creating one video a week to creating one video a month. | 记住不要创建。 于是我从每周制作一个视频到每月制作一个视频。 |
| 487 | And guess what? I learned less. I was engaging less to connect with my audience to understand | 你猜怎么着? 我学得更少 我不太喜欢和观众沟通 来理解 |
| 488 | what they needed and what I was giving. And I was trying less ideas, which meant that I | 他们需要什么,我给了什么。 我试图减少想法, 这意味着我 |
| 489 | wasn't learning as much. I wasn't growing at all. I wasn't progressing. | 没有学得那么好 我根本没长大 我没有进展 |
| 490 | And the world was being taken from getting more beauty from you. | 这个世界被夺走了 从你得到更多的美。 |
| 491 | Which came from a place of not thinking like that, which came from a place of not trying | 它来自一个不这样思考的地方, 它来自一个不尝试的地方 |
| 492 | to be perfect. Exactly. The original video that did well came from a genuine place of just wanting | 完美无缺 没错 原创的视频是真正想要的 |
| 493 | to serve and trying to figure it out. And then all of a sudden we're not serving anymore. | 来服务 并试图找出它。 然后突然间我们不再服务了 |
| 494 | And so I was like, okay, this doesn't make any sense. And I was like, actually, | 所以我想,好吧, 这没有任何意义。 我当时想,其实, |
| 495 | and then last year when we started making more videos, I can honestly hand on my heart, | 然后去年当我们开始制作更多的视频时, 我可以诚实地把手放在心上, |
| 496 | say that when we started doing three videos a week, I started to learn so much more. | 说,当我们开始 每周做三个视频, 我开始学习这么多。 |
| 497 | I was like, oh, I really like it when I write like this. And I really like it when I create | 我很喜欢这样写 我真的很喜欢当我创作 |
| 498 | like this. And the audience really responds when I share it this way. And I was learning so much | 像这样 观众真的反应了,当我这样分享。 我学到了很多 |
| 499 | more. And I was feeling more fulfilled by making more mistakes, but learning more. And so my mistakes | 再来 而我觉得更多的错误更能满足, 但学习更多。 所以我的错误 |
| 500 | increased, but your learning increased too. Which was a much more fulfilling place to be, | 增加了,但你的学习也增加了。 这是一个更 满足的地方是, |
| 501 | even though it was tough at times, but it was fulfilling. I love that. Yeah. I love that. | 虽然有时很艰难,但还是很满足。 我喜欢 对 我喜欢 |
| 502 | If you guys are listening and you're thinking, oh, this is just two podcaster guys jamming about | 如果你们在听,你们在想, 哦,这只是两个旅行者的家伙 干扰关于 |
| 503 | how it's so easy to get started. Let me share with this. One of the higher performers in the | 这么容易开始 让我分享这个。 剧中表现最好的一位 |
| 504 | world, Jeff Bezos, he started a little company called Amazon. Tiny. He talks about this idea | 他创办了一家叫亚马逊的小公司 微细. 他讲这个主意 |
| 505 | that he and executive team makes decisions when they have about 60% of the information. | 当他和执行团队掌握了大约60%的信息后,他们就会作出决定。 |
| 506 | So I'm 10% above Jeff Bezos. Yeah, I should. Yeah. Think about that for a minute. Like, | 我比杰夫·贝佐斯高10% 是的,我应该。 对 考虑一下 喜欢, |
| 507 | wait a minute. A person and a team that could get all the information in the world, | 单 一个能获取世界所有信息的人和一个团队 |
| 508 | what they do is they're moving forward, even when they don't have everything. And what | 他们所做的是他们前进, 即使他们没有一切。 还有什么 |
| 509 | perfectionists do, what they don't realize is there's a difference between perfection. Remember | 完美主义者做的,他们没有意识到 完美是不同的。 记住 |
| 510 | perfection is to perfect in motion, iterative moving. It's active. What they also can't admit | 完美是动作完美 迭代感动 活跃. 他们不能承认的事 |
| 511 | sometimes is the real struggle is they're indecisive. Most perfectionists, they actually | 有时真正的斗争是 他们无动于衷 大多数完美主义者,其实 |
| 512 | know the next moves. And I'm like, go swat team, make it happen. It really sit, drop it, do it, | 知道接下来的动作。 而我喜欢,去游泳队,让它发生。 它真的坐着 放下它 做它 |
| 513 | go. And I'm cheering them on. I'm like, go. Like for everyone listening, you need to know | 开始 我为他们欢呼 我很喜欢,去。 就像每个人听, 你需要知道 |
| 514 | high performers are decisive, not because they are like, I know everything and I've got clarity. | 高水平的表演者是决定性的,不是因为他们喜欢,我知道一切,我很清楚。 |
| 515 | I know they know if they don't drop it, if they don't release it, if they don't do it, | 我知道他们知道,如果他们不放下它, 如果他们不释放它, 如果他们不这样做, |
| 516 | they can't iterate it and make it better. They can't learn just as you said, and worse, | 他们不能撕碎它,使它更好。 他们不能像你所说那样学习 更糟的是 |
| 517 | they can't be of service. Because when you're in silence in your life and you're in silence | 他们不能服务。 因为当你在你的生活中默默无声时 |
| 518 | because of fear in your life, not silence like the way you and I talk about in positive way, | 因为你生活中的恐惧, 而不是沉默 就像你和我以积极的方式谈论, |
| 519 | being still and silent inside, that's a positive thing. But when you are in silence in a way in | 静静静的内心,这是一件积极的事情。 但当你在沉默的方式 |
| 520 | which you are suffering because of fear, you are not going to be able to serve. You have to be in | 你们因恐惧而遭受苦难,你们不能崇拜, 你必须加入 |
| 521 | motion to serve. You have to release things to perfect it. You got to be decisive. Almost everybody | 请求服务。 你必须释放一些东西来完善它。 你一定要果断 几乎是每个人 |
| 522 | listening, I did this course with Oprah Winfrey Network called Your Next Bold Move. And that | 听着 我和Oprah Winfrey 网络一起完成了这个课程 叫做"你的下一个大胆行动" 还有 |
| 523 | language of being bolder, everybody listening probably should do that. And not because I'm | 说得更大胆一点 每个人都应该听 而不是因为我 |
| 524 | saying carte blanche, everyone should be bolder. I'm just saying carte blanche, everyone should be | 随便说,每个人都应该更大胆 我只是说随便,每个人都应该 |
| 525 | bolder. They should. Be bold. For me, bold is, we just did the influencer event. I think you were | 更大胆. 他们应该。 大胆点 对我来说,大胆的是, 我们刚刚做了影响者事件。 我觉得你是 |
| 526 | sitting there and I was, Travis was sitting there and they were like, why don't you just ask your | 我坐在那 特拉维斯坐在那 他们都说 你为什么不问问你 |
| 527 | friends? You have all these people who they've learned their careers from, they'll help. Just | 朋友们? 你有这些人 他们从他们的职业生涯学到的, 他们会帮助。 刚刚 |
| 528 | ask them to come and speak. And being bold is asking sometimes. Not just taking some huge action, | 叫他们过来说话 大胆有时会问 不只是采取一些巨大的行动, |
| 529 | it's asking for help. I wish as a 19 year old kid, I could look back and say, hey kid, man, | 它请求帮助。 我希望作为一个19岁的孩子, 我可以回顾,说,嘿,孩子,男人, |
| 530 | you're going to kill yourself. Ask someone for help. Tell someone what's going on in your head. | 你会自杀的 问某甲. 告诉别人你在想什么 |
| 531 | Raise your hand. Like admit it, be vulnerable. And I didn't know that. That would have been bold. | 举手曰. 就像承认那样,容易受伤害。 我不知道这一点。 这将是大胆的。 |
| 532 | Been vulnerable. And so bold doesn't have to be swat team, take down the world. Sometimes | 变得脆弱 胆子那么大,就不用成为球队,打倒世界。 有时 |
| 533 | ask for help, put yourself out there and know you'll figure out, you'll catch that clip, | 请求帮助,把自己在那里 并知道你会想出,你会抓住的夹子, |
| 534 | you'll figure it out. You'll get it going on. You'll improve, but move. Like the world needs | 你会想办法的 你会得到它进行。 你会改进,但移动。 就像世界需要的那样 |
| 535 | action takers right now. It desperately needs it. We have a lot of sideline, you know, | 现在行动者。 它非常需要这个。 我们有很多边线,你知道, |
| 536 | conversationalists, a lot of sideline, you know, judgment. We have a lot of people not in the arena | 对话家,很多旁白,你知道的,判断。 我们有很多人不在竞技场 |
| 537 | and we need more people in the arena in play. We can't keep pointing and blaming and saying, | 我们需要更多的人在竞技场上玩。 我们不能一直指责和指责,说, |
| 538 | this is wrong. That sucks and everything, but we're not moving our feet forward | 这是错误的。 糟透了,但是我们没有前进 |
| 539 | and demanding change, creating change, fighting for the change that we want. | 要求变革,创造变革,为我们希望的变革而奋斗。 |
| 540 | Because we think, well, I don't have the perfect plan. So I don't anything to fight for. Oh no, | 因为我们觉得 我没有完美的计划 故无所争. 哦,没有, |
| 541 | you have values. You have passion. You have interests. Fight for those. You have a project | 你有价值。 你有热情。 你有兴趣。 为那些战斗。 你有一个项目 |
| 542 | you believe in at work. Talk about it. Stop waiting for the perfect time to bring it up. | 你相信在工作时。 说曰. 别等时机成熟再提了 |
| 543 | There's not going to be perfect time. Bring it up. You believe in someone and you want to | 没有完美的时间。 举起来. 你相信一个人,你想 |
| 544 | help lift them up. Do it now. Don't wait for the perfect time. It's like we've gotten too sedentary | 帮我抬起来 现在就做 别等极乐时节. 这就像我们得到 太静 |
| 545 | in, not just in our physiology, but in our actual actions. A tweet is not an action. | 不仅在生理学上,而且在实际行动中 推特不是行动。 |
| 546 | Like you got to move. You got to make things happen. And I think that's what high performers | 就像你必须移动。 你得让事情发生。 我觉得这就是 优秀的表演者 |
| 547 | really inspired in me. Cause if it sounds like, if it sounds at all like I'm being preachy, | 我真的很有灵感 因为如果听起来像, 如果它听起来就像我在讲道, |
| 548 | I'm literally just sharing what I learned from these high performers. Cause the truth is they | 我只是在分享我从这些优秀表演者那里学到的 因为事实是 |
| 549 | were more bold than me doing the research. I was like, Oh, okay. I got up. They were more clear | 比我更大胆的研究。 我当时想,哦,好吧。 我站起来了 他们更清楚 |
| 550 | than me. They were more energized than me. They were more productive. Everyone thinks, well, | 比我还强 他们比我更有活力 他们更有成效。 每个人都认为,嗯, |
| 551 | Brandon's got it all figured out or whatever. I'm like, no, I'm a student and I'm just reporting | 布兰登已经想通了 不,我是个学生,我只是在报告 |
| 552 | what I heard from the field y'all. And I want you to take some of this stuff in there. They had | 我从现场听到你们。 我要你把这些东西拿进去 他们有 |
| 553 | habits that allowed them to succeed beyond normal people. But here's what's beautiful about high | 让他们超越正常人的习惯 但是,这里的美丽 高 |
| 554 | performance. And this is really important. Their success, but in the way we measured high | 表现。 这是非常重要的。 他们的成功,但以我们衡量的方式 |
| 555 | performance, high performance means you succeed beyond standard norms over the long term while | 性能,高性能 意味着你成功超过标准规范 长期,同时 |
| 556 | maintaining wellbeing and positive relationships. That's the hardest part. That's the hardest part. | 维护福利和积极的关系。 这是最难的部分。 这是最难的部分。 |
| 557 | That's why I love your podcast because so much of what you come back to is relationships, | 这就是为什么我喜欢你的播客 因为很多你回来 关系, |
| 558 | but high performers don't burn out relationships. They don't take people for granted. In fact, | 但高水平的演艺人不会烧掉感情 他们不认为人们是理所当然的。 事实上, |
| 559 | 就像Booker T. Washington教我们, 你知道,有两种方法可以施加 | |
| 560 | strength. One is pushing down. The other is pulling up and high performers, they're the pulling up | 强。 一个是推倒。 另外一个是拉高 表现好,他们是拉高 |
| 561 | kind. That's why high performers also don't report being lonely at the top. One of my mentors, | 有点 故高演者亦不报于上孤. 我的导师之一 |
| 562 | Brian Tracy said, if you're lonely at the top, you did it wrong. But high performers, because | 布莱恩 崔西说,如果你在顶部寂寞,你做错了. 但表现优异,因为 |
| 563 | you're lifting people up, it's almost like you have a chorus of people, right? You got a tribe, | 你抬起人来,就像你有一个合唱的人,对不对? 你有一个部落, |
| 564 | you lifted people up along, you were generous with people as you rose. And that's what our research, | 你把人抬起来, 你慷慨地对待人 当你升起。 这就是我们的研究 |
| 565 | what became so famous about high performance habits was we could measurably prove long-term | 高性能习惯的成名之处在于 我们可以证明长期 |
| 566 | success and say, wait, you can have long-term success and maintain your health and your | 成功,说,等等,你可以有 长期的成功,保持你的健康和你的 |
| 567 | relationships. That's possible because most people think you have to compromise. You got to become a | 关系 这是可能的,因为大多数人认为你必须妥协。 你得成为一个 |
| 568 | jerk or you can't work out. That's not true. You can't be married or you can't have a long-term | 混帐,否则你就不能工作了 这不是真的。 不能结婚,也不能长期 |
| 569 | relationship. Or you can't have kids. Or you tell all these stupid stories or you have to come up | 关系。 或者你不能有孩子。 或者你讲这些愚蠢的故事 或者你必须上来 |
| 570 | from a certain thing. The other thing that was really pioneering the goddess in a lot of academics | 从某事。 另一件事是 真正的开拓女神 在很多学术 |
| 571 | and corporate is we measurably showed high performance is not strongly correlated with age, | 公司表现良好 与年龄没有密切关系 |
| 572 | gender, nationality, personality, competency, years on the job or compensation. And every time someone | 性别、国籍、人格、能力、工作年限或报酬。 每当有人 |
| 573 | wants to argue with me, I just go to basic common sense. I'm like, okay. They're like, well, of | 我想和我争吵,我只是去 基本的常识。 我像,好吗。 他们就像,嗯, |
| 574 | course, rich people or highly compensated people work harder. I'm like, oh no, have you ever worked | 富人或高报酬的人更努力工作 我很喜欢,哦不,你曾经工作 |
| 575 | for a lazy boss? They were getting paid more, but they were lazy. Payment doesn't mean high | 一个懒惰的老板? 他们得到更多的报酬,但他们很懒惰。 报酬并不高 |
| 576 | performance. No, a hundred percent. Either more does age. We got old people outperforming young | 表现。 不,百分之百的。 年龄也是 我们的老人表现优于年轻人 |
| 577 | people and young people outperforming old people. Where you're from, there's high performers in | 人们和年轻人的表现都比老人好。 你来自哪里,有高的表演者 |
| 578 | every given culture. And it's not because their personality, because you have introverts and | 每一个特定的文化。 这不是因为他们的个性, 因为你有内向和 |
| 579 | extroverts, people who are open, people who are neurotic, people who have no anxiety. People have | 外向者,开放者,神经者,无焦虑者. 人们有 |
| 580 | tons of anxiety, but it's the habits that they are following the road about in high performance | 有点焦虑,不过他们表现的很好 |
| 581 | habits. That is, that's what it was. Cause we measured a hundred different performance variables | 习惯。 这就是它是什么。 因为我们测量了一百个不同的性能变量 |
| 582 | and it came down to these six high performance habits. And I loved it too, cause I was wrong. | 这六种高性能的习惯 我也很喜欢 因为我错了 |
| 583 | If you ask me what I thought, I was literally just about to ask you, what was one that surprised you? | 如果你问我怎么想,我正要问你, 什么是让你吃惊的? |
| 584 | I was literally just about to ask you that. That's crazy. One of them that didn't make... | 我正要问你呢 这太疯狂了 其中一个没有... |
| 585 | Or like something that, yeah, tell me about that. Something, cause me personally, you know, | 或喜欢的东西, 是的,告诉我。 某事,让我个人,你知道, |
| 586 | I identify as an author, speaker, coach, creator, online trainer, thought leader, | 我确定自己是作家、演说家、教练、创造者、在线教练、思想领袖 |
| 587 | hopefully social media guy, whatever, creator. Creativity was not in the top six. | 希望是社交媒体的人,不管怎样,创造者。 创意不在前六名. |
| 588 | Wasn't. No. And it floored me cause that's me. But I interviewed this guy. He was a chief technology | 没有 没有 它让我失望 因为那就是我 但我采访了这家伙 他是技术大师 |
| 589 | officer for a Fortune 10 company. He's got tens of thousands of employees. And he said, well, | 10连的军官 他有数万名员工. 他说,嗯, |
| 590 | Brendan, I'm not particularly creative. I don't think my team is particularly creative, | 布伦丹,我没有特别的创意。 我不认为我的团队特别有创意, |
| 591 | but we are incredibly intentional and disciplined and we are incredibly collaborative. | 但我们是令人难以置信的 有意和纪律, 我们令人难以置信的合作。 |
| 592 | And those things, which for him was his style of productivity, made him a high performer, | 那些东西,对于他来说, 是他的生产力风格, 使他成为一个高的表演者, |
| 593 | even though they really weren't that creative. But so for those who don't feel like that's really | 即使他们真的没有那么有创意。 但对于不觉得这样的人来说 |
| 594 | important in this modern social media world, if you don't identify as a creative person, | 在这个现代社交媒体世界中 很重要的,如果你不认作一个有创意的人, |
| 595 | which a lot of people do not, they don't feel like they have that gift, even though they do. | 很多人没有, 他们不觉得自己有这种天赋, 即使他们有。 |
| 596 | That's okay. And what's interesting about the research, it doesn't say creativity is not | 没关系 研究的有趣之处 不说创造力不是 |
| 597 | important. It says that these six habits and high performance habits are more important because in | 这很重要 它说这六种习惯和高性能习惯更重要 因为... |
| 598 | research you do correlations. And so it's like clarity, energy, necessity, productivity, | 研究你的关联。 所以它就像清晰, 能量,必要性,生产力, |
| 599 | influence, and courage are all just more important in this particular research | 勇气在研究中更为重要 |
| 600 | than some of these other things. And these are all things anyone can have. That's what's so amazing | 而不是其他的东西 这些都是任何人可以拥有的一切。 这才是最神奇的 |
| 601 | about the research. I'm hearing those and I'm going, there's no excuses. Basically your research | 关于研究。 我听到这些,我要去, 没有借口。 基本上你的研究 |
| 602 | tells us there's no excuses. Yeah. For the dorks who are listening like me, the geeks and the data | 告诉我们没有借口 对 对于像我一样听话的蠢货 怪胎和数据 |
| 603 | hound, the way that you do that is all the 100 performance variables that we codified and we | 猎犬,你这样做的方式是 所有100个性能变量 我们编纂和我们 |
| 604 | also took from academic research and my own experience in training people for a decade | 也从学术研究中吸取了 和我在训练十年中的经验 |
| 605 | was we put it through a filter. Are these habits something that are observable, learnable, | 我们把它通过过滤器。 这些习惯是值得观察的,可以学习的, |
| 606 | malleable, which means you can change it, improve it, and can happen across domains? I mean, | 可交易的,这意味着你可以改变它,改进它,并且可以跨域发生? 我是说... |
| 607 | the CEO can do it, but so can the person at the front desk, so can the mom at home, | 首席执行官可以这么做 但前台的人也可以 家里的妈妈也可以 |
| 608 | so can the student, so can the athlete, meaning that's how we had identified them. | 学生也可以,运动员也可以, 意思是,这就是我们如何识别他们。 |
| 609 | Otherwise what they were were that person's personality or it was that person had a natural | 不然他们就是那个人的个性 还是那个人天生的 |
| 610 | strength or skill there. But also for those who are interesting and you're so worried about your | 力量或技术 对那些有趣的人来说,你也很担心 |
| 611 | strengths, because a lot of people listening, like me maybe, when the whole strengths movement | 优势,因为很多人听, 像我一样,也许, 当整个优势运动 |
| 612 | started, I was like, I'm screwed. I ain't got none. The good news is high performers don't report | 开始,我就像, 我性交。 我没有 好消息是表现好的人不报 |
| 613 | working on their strengths anymore than underperformers or anybody else because high | 努力发挥他们的长处 而不是表现不佳的人或其他人 因为高 |
| 614 | performers less often ask, what am I good at? What are my unique strengths? Then they tend to ask | 表演者不常问,我擅长什么? 我独特的长处是什么? 然后他们往往问 |
| 615 | what is needed here and how can I be of service? So for example, if I had said, is my strength | 这里需要什么,我怎么服务? 例如,如果我说,我的力量 |
| 616 | video? I would have never done video. Instead, I said, how do I be of service to more people? | 视频? 我绝对不会拍视频的 我说,我该怎么为更多的人服务? |
| 617 | I'm going to have to reach more people. I have to use video, right? So people don't get trapped in | 我得去接触更多的人。 我必须用视频,对不对? 这样人们就不会被困在里面 |
| 618 | thinking if you don't have a strength right now that A, you can't develop it and B, that that's | 认为如果你现在没有力量,A,你不能开发它和B,那就是 |
| 619 | necessary. We need less people kind of gazing at their navels and being like, what am I like? | 有必要。 我们需要更少的人 看着他们的肚脐 和像, 我是什么样子? |
| 620 | And I love the self-awareness and the deep introspection, but we also need people who | 我喜欢自我意识和深刻的反思 但我们也需要那些 |
| 621 | just show up and provide service, even if they're not comfortable with that, even if they're not | 只要出现并提供服务, 即使他们不满意, 即使他们不满意 |
| 622 | good at that. Like most of the things that we do, we weren't good at, but we said, oh, that would | 不错 和我们所做的大多数事情一样, 我们不擅长, 但我们说,哦,那会 |
| 623 | help me be of more service. Let me do it. Let me figure it out. Yeah. There's a difference between | 帮我做点什么 让我来 让我想想 对 有区别的 |
| 624 | inexperience and weakness. Yeah. It's a difference, right? Like it's not really, | 缺乏经验和弱点。 对 这是不同的,对不对? 就像它不是真的一样, |
| 625 | you've not really explored something. It's just inexperience. That's right. Right. If you never | 你并没有真正探索什么。 只是缺乏经验。 没错 对 如果你从不 |
| 626 | started a podcast, like I didn't know how to interview before I did my first ever podcast. | 开始播客,就像我不知道 如何采访之前,我做了我的第一个播客。 |
| 627 | Like you just don't know, right? You don't, you don't practice interviews at home or your parents | 就像你只是不知道,对不对? 你没有,你没有 在家里或你的父母练习面试 |
| 628 | have never interviewed you and you do your first interview and you're, oh, okay. I like that. I | 从来没有采访过你,你做了你的第一次采访 而你,哦,好吧。 我喜欢 一、导 言 |
| 629 | learned that I got that wrong. We maybe should have put the mic closer to him and maybe the camera | 得知我错了 我们也许应该把麦克风贴近他 也许摄像机 |
| 630 | is in the wrong angle. And then, and then you change it. Right. And I think you're spot on that | 是在错误的角度。 然后,然后你改变它。 对 我觉得你在这点上 |
| 631 | it don't, yeah. Do not accept inexperience for weakness. Do not, do not just sit there and go, | 没有,是的。 不要接受缺乏经验的弱点。 别,别坐着走 |
| 632 | I don't have that as a natural gift. Yes. And this is one of the reasons why I'm going into | 我没有那种天赋 对 这也是我加入的原因之一 |
| 633 | a soccer analogy here. Sorry, but it was why I admire so many, a player named Cristiano Ronaldo, | 足球类比 对不起,但这就是为什么我崇拜这么多, 一个球员叫克里斯蒂亚诺罗纳尔多, |
| 634 | a great soccer player, because he's worked on things. And often people say to him, oh, | 一个伟大的足球运动员,因为他的工作 事情。 人们经常对他说,哦, |
| 635 | it's not God given for him or it's not a gift he was given. But it's like, for me, that's what | 不是上帝给他的,也不是礼物给他的 但对我来说 就是这样 |
| 636 | makes it more incredible. It's that he's worked on every single part of his game to become this | 更令人难以置信。 他的每场比赛都是这样 |
| 637 | complete player. That's it. And to demonstrate that the work ethic and the, not just the work | 完全玩家 。 就这样 并证明工作道德 和工作,不只是工作 |
| 638 | ethic, but the seeking clarity and that tell me about the energy piece. I'm fascinated by that | 道德,但寻求的清晰度 告诉我关于能量的作品。 我对这个很着迷 |
| 639 | because I feel like I want to hear the definition of energy that you explored and also just how | 因为我觉得我想听听 你探索的能量定义 以及如何 |
| 640 | people were able to bring energy even when they didn't feel like it too, because that seems like | 人们能带来能量,即使他们 不喜欢它,因为似乎 |
| 641 | a big thing for a high performer to be able to do is bring it when they don't feel. I'm so glad | 一个高水平的演员能做的大事 就是在他们感觉不到的时候把它带来 我很高兴 |
| 642 | I did this because I, you know, energy to me is just like a feeling or a sense, but in the research | 我这样做是因为,你知道, 能量对我来说就像一种感觉或一种感觉, 但在研究中 |
| 643 | we had to codify three separate kinds of energy. One is mental energy, which is straight up your | 我们必须编纂三种不同的能量 一个是精神能量,这是直升你的 |
| 644 | mental focus and stamina to do activities, right? Without just like tuning off, right? Because | 专注精神,有干活的能力,对吧? 没有像调音,对不对? 因为 |
| 645 | that's hard. I mean, I'm sure some people have started writing a paper and you got to page one | 这很难。 我的意思是,我敢肯定,有些人已经开始写一篇论文,你必须第一页 |
| 646 | and a half and your brain went somewhere else. You were just tired. The other one is emotional | 半,你的大脑去了别的地方。 你只是有点累了 另一个是情绪化的 |
| 647 | energy, which is the quality of positive versus negative emotion. And the last one was a spiritual | 能量,即正对负情感的质量. 最后一个是灵性 |
| 648 | energy, a sensation that they were in flow or not. And what we found out is high performers have | 能量,一种他们是否流动的感觉。 而我们发现的是 优秀的表演者有 |
| 649 | incredibly intentional habits to protect that energy. You know, when we were on tour for Oprah, | 令人难以置信的故意习惯 保护这种能量。 你知道,当我们为奥普拉巡演时, |
| 650 | she, when Oprah was on tour, she tells this great story about how she was so moved by someone who's | 她,当奥普拉在巡演时, 她讲述了这个伟大的故事 关于她是如何如此感动的人 |
| 651 | on her show, who went into a green room and was telling Oprah the story of, she saw the sign that | 在她的节目中,她走进一个绿色的房间 并告诉奥普拉的故事, 她看到了标志, |
| 652 | said, please be responsible for the energy you bring into this space. And I'm always saying, | 说,请负责 你带来的能量在这个空间。 我总是说, |
| 653 | please be responsible for the energy you project into the world. High performers are so critically | 请为你们投射的能量负责 表演的好厉害 |
| 654 | aware of what their energy is they're feeling and how they're treating other people. It's profound. | 了解他们的感受和如何对待他人。 其义深深. |
| 655 | And the way that they do that is they have a lot of habits that protect their wellbeing. So they're | 他们这样做的方式是, 他们有很多习惯来保护他们的福祉。 所以他们是 |
| 656 | truly seeking to optimize health. They care about nutrition. The world's largest study on | 真正寻求优化健康。 他们关心营养 世界最大的研究 |
| 657 | productivity that's ever been done found out that on average, the world's most productive 1% of | 平均来说,全世界产量最高的1% |
| 658 | people take a break every 52 minutes. Every 52 minutes, they take a break. Now, if you ask them, | 人们每52分钟休息一次 每52分钟,他们休息。 如果你问他们 |
| 659 | did you need the break? They're like, no, that they could power through all day. They have the | 你需要休息吗? 他们就像,不, 他们可以通过一整天的动力。 他们有 |
| 660 | mental energy and stamina. They could go, but they take the break like a pit stop, | 精神能量和耐力。 他们可以去,但他们 休息像一个坑站, |
| 661 | like in NASCAR, right? The cars actually don't need to stop right then. They stop to change | 像在纳斯卡,对不对? 汽车其实不需要停下来 他们停止改变 |
| 662 | things out and optimize things so they can keep going faster. We have to do that in our own lives. | 事情出来和优化 事情可以保持更快。 我们必须在自己的生活中做到这一点。 |
| 663 | So some of them, that's meditation. One that's incredibly important for everybody here, | 所以其中一些,这就是冥想。 这对大家来说都很重要 |
| 664 | especially in the United States. Right now in the United States of America, 72% of Americans are | 特别是在美国 现在在美国,72%的美国人 |
| 665 | overweight or obese. That has incredible health repercussions. That is you're sicker longer. You | 超重或肥胖. 这对健康产生了不可思议的影响。 你病得更长了 你们 |
| 666 | die earlier. You report less happiness throughout the majority of your life. You pass some of that | 早点死 你一生大部分时间都说幸福度较低 你通过一些 |
| 667 | behavior onto children. It's a very big deal. It's not a judgment of a body shaming thing. | 对孩子的行为。 甚处来. 这不是对身体羞辱的判断 |
| 668 | Your quality of life in every measurable way that they have in science shows it's not as good. | 在科学中,你的生活质量 以每一个可以衡量的方式 显示它不是那么好。 |
| 669 | And we want you to feel okay. High performers, they work out five times for a week, | 我们想让你感觉好点 表现优异的人,他们工作了5次一个星期, |
| 670 | 40% more likely than an underperformer. Now that workout might be literally like you take a 45 | 比表现不佳者高40% 现在的锻炼 可能是字面上 就像你拿一个45 |
| 671 | minute walk after dinner. It doesn't mean you're climbing a run of the mountain. | 晚饭后走几分钟 这并不意味着你在爬山 |
| 672 | It doesn't mean you have to have a sick back or anything. | 这并不意味着你必须有一个病背或任何东西。 |
| 673 | You move every day. And so they're protecting that. I think that's what's really important. | 你每天都在动 他们正在保护它 我认为这才是真正重要的。 |
| 674 | They have active lifestyles, not because it's easy, because they know the alternative | 他们有积极的生活方式,不是因为它很容易,因为他们知道另一种选择 |
| 675 | of burnout and fatigue will hurt their performance. Every new NBA guy I've ever worked with, | 疲劳和疲劳会伤害他们的表现。 每一个新NBA的家伙 我曾经工作过, |
| 676 | they want to party. They want to rip it up. They just got that check. They're a superstar now. | 他们想开派对 他们想把它撕掉 他们刚拿到支票 他们现在是超级巨星了 |
| 677 | They're on the phone with me, Brandon. And I'm like, don't. You got a game in three days, dude. | 他们在跟我打电话 布兰登 而我喜欢,不要。 你三天后有场比赛 |
| 678 | Yeah. This is an easy thing. If you care about how you show up in three days, | 对 这很简单 如果你在乎你三天后如何出现 |
| 679 | and that's what I always tell people, how you feel right now is going to ripple into three days. | 我总是告诉大家,你现在的感受是 进入三天。 |
| 680 | We know that from research. Your nutrition today actually affects three days of behavior. | 我们从研究中知道这一点。 今天的营养会影响三天的行为 |
| 681 | That's profound. We don't get that. And then when you measure it out over longevity studies, | 这是深刻的。 我们不明白 然后当你衡量它 长寿研究, |
| 682 | no, it affects your whole lifespan. So it's wildly important. And the most research, | 不,它影响你的整个寿命。 所以这很重要 而最伟大的研究, |
| 683 | and you're even more familiar than that research and I am, is the absolute importance of having | 你比那研究更熟悉 而我更熟悉 拥有 |
| 684 | a mental game in which you meditate, pray, nap, or just close your eyes for a few minutes every day | 一个精神游戏,你在那里冥想,祈祷,睡觉, 或者只是闭上你的眼睛 每天几分钟 |
| 685 | to recenter a little bit. A lot of fatigue and headaches are actually visual. And so what I tell | 到最近一点点。 很多疲劳和头痛实际上是视觉的. 我所说的话 |
| 686 | people to do and what we teach in our seminars, High Performance Academy, is I teach the audience | 高性能学院,我教观众 |
| 687 | all these things to do at the 52 minute mark. One of them, stand up from your desk or stand up no | 在52分钟前 做这些事情 其中一人,站在你的桌子上或者站起来,不 |
| 688 | matter where you're at every 52 minutes, even if you're driving, pull over every 52 minutes. | 你每52分钟停一次 即使你开车 每52分钟停一次 |
| 689 | And what I tell people, stand in place, bounce in place, not jumping up and down, just kind of | 我所告诉人们,站好,弹跳在原位, 不跳上下,只是那种 |
| 690 | bouncing lightly from the knees. Close your eyes because visual fatigue is a real thing. | 从膝而轻弹. 闭上眼睛,因为视觉疲劳是真实的 |
| 691 | They've shown visual fatigue also hurts creativity. So close your eyes, bounce and take 10 deep | 他们表现出视觉疲劳也伤害了创造力. 闭上眼睛,跳起来,深呼吸 |
| 692 | breaths. In through the nose is one, out through the mouth, 10 times while bouncing in place. The | 喘息声. 鼻子里是一,嘴里是一, 10次同时弹出。 那个 |
| 693 | bounce is moving the lymph around your body, circulating the blood, refreshing your brain. | 弹跳会把淋巴环绕着你的身体 循环血液 刷新你的大脑 |
| 694 | Most brain fatigue is also tied to blood flow. So we just got to move, dancing in place. Breath | 大多数脑疲劳也与血流有关. 所以,我们只需要移动,跳舞就位。 呼吸 |
| 695 | is tied to all chi, all energy, all life force. Closing the eyes lets the brain literally reset. | 与所有气息、能量、生命力相连 闭上眼睛让大脑重新布置 |
| 696 | It's profound. That's why meditators don't do it with their eyes open. | 其义深深. 故曰冥师不以眼明为行. |
| 697 | It's like there's a whole other level that happens. And I mean, you're way more familiar | 谓彼一切境界亦复如是. 我是说,你更熟悉 |
| 698 | with the research. No, no, no. It's beautiful. What I'm telling people is it is necessary. | 与研究。 不,不,没有。 It美'. 我告诉大家,这是必要的。 |
| 699 | If meditation is your thing, pray. Pray ain't your thing. Close your eyes. | 如果冥想是你的事 请祈祷 祈祷不是你的事 闭上眼睛 |
| 700 | Close your eyes, anything. Take the afternoon nap because why in the blue zones, they tend to | 闭上你的眼睛,任何东西。 午后休息,因为为什么在蓝区,他们往往 |
| 701 | take a nap after lunch. They live longer. That is a reset. And then when I sit back down, | 午后睡个觉 他们活得更长 这是一个重置。 然后当我坐下, |
| 702 | I go, what's my intention and what is the absolute best use of my time by the end of the day? | 我走了,我的意图是什么, 和什么是绝对最好的 利用我的时间在一天结束时? |
| 703 | Reset, go back to work. I do that every hour. It's why I'm so annoyingly productive. | 重置,继续工作. 我每个小时都这样 这就是为什么我这么烦人的生产。 |
| 704 | I love that. We should do it right now. You want to do it? You need some water? | 我喜欢 我们应该现在就做 你想做吗? 要喝点水吗? |
| 705 | So first we'll just start with a reset, which we're, this is what I mean by bouncing. | 首先我们从重置开始,这就是我意思。 |
| 706 | We're just going to do this. We're going to sway our arms forward and back, | 我们只是要做到这一点。 我们要摆动我们的手臂 前后, |
| 707 | close our eyes, 10 deep breaths. Go. | 闭上眼睛 深呼吸十声 开始吧 |
| 708 | Notice his breath is getting longer because that's what happens. | 注意他的呼吸越来越长 因为这是发生。 |
| 709 | Okay. Now just shake it out. That's just the breathing. I love it. | 摆 现在,只是摇出来。 这只是呼吸。 我喜欢它。 |
| 710 | Already you're coming back. That's great. | 你已经回来了。 赞曰. |
| 711 | Now we're going to do Qigong, which is a cupping activity. They call it cupping for casual. And | 现在,我们要做Qigong, 这是一个杯子活动。 他们称之为随便喝的 还有 |
| 712 | all we're going to do is we're going to activate the meridians of our body. For those who don't | 我们要做的就是 激活我们身体的线人 对于不 |
| 713 | believe in meridians of your body, all science shows that there's nerve endings on your skin. | 相信身体的三角形 所有科学都表明 你的皮肤有神经末梢 |
| 714 | If you don't believe in, oh, this is Chi, then you believe in nerves and we're just going to | 如果你不相信,哦,这是奇, 那么你相信神经,我们只是要去 |
| 715 | open up our bodies. If you tap your arm, you feel that energy. We're going to do this for our whole | 打开我们的身体。 如果你拍你的手臂, 你会感觉到能量。 我们要为大家着想 |
| 716 | body. Okay. So we're going to start with our fingertips. So cupping means you take positive | 躯体。 摆 故以指头为首. 喝杯子就意味着你积极 |
| 717 | intent and energy. A lot of the masters don't teach like put a color like blue or green or a | 意图和能量。 很多大师不教像放蓝色或绿色的颜色 |
| 718 | vibrant color for you here. And we're going to cup. What it means is we're going to lightly | 这里的颜色很鲜艳 我们来杯子 意思是我们要轻而易举 |
| 719 | tap and we're going to go from here all the way up. Okay. And then we're going to do, we're going | 我们从这里一直往上走 摆 然后我们要去,我们要去 |
| 720 | to do here and we're new here. We'll do here. We'll do here. And then we're just going to do | 在这里做,我们是新来的。 我们在这里做。 我们在这里做。 然后我们再做 |
| 721 | one right here, which is a huge meridian back right here. Yep. So we're just going to start | 一个在这里, 这是一个巨大的米里达人在这里。 对 所以我们才刚开始 |
| 722 | here like this. And the intention is to take a nice deep breath in, nice deep breath out. | 像这样 目的是深呼吸 深呼吸 |
| 723 | This is where everyone outside your studio is going, what are they doing? Like Richard shows | 你工作室外面的人都在这里 他们在做什么? 就像理查德所显示的 |
| 724 | up. Like what's happening? So we do this. I do this every 15 minutes in a plane. I love it. | 起来 像发生了什么事? 所以,我们这样做。 我每15分钟在飞机上做一次 我喜欢它。 |
| 725 | You release your shoulder, release all the tension in your shoulder and really strong. Okay. Now from | 你释放你的肩膀, 释放你肩部的所有张力 和真正的强壮。 摆 现在从 |
| 726 | your waist, we're going to move up. You're just moving up one inch at a time. Take a nice deep | 你的腰,我们要向上移动。 你只是一次移动一英寸。 深一点 |
| 727 | breath in right when you get below your armpit. Next hand going up and just breathing, | 右呼吸 当你得到你的腋下。 下一只手向上,呼吸一下, |
| 728 | just putting energy, positivity, joy into your arms. Most people have really strong drop your | 只是把能量,正性,快乐 放在你的怀里。 大多数人都非常强壮的放下你 |
| 729 | shoulder. Most people carry so much tension in their shoulders. This releases the tension in | 双肩 大多数人的肩膀都充满了紧张 这释放了紧张 |
| 730 | the shoulder right here. Now we're going to bend slightly at the waist and right on your lower back | 肩膀就在这里。 现在我们在腰部略微弯曲 就在你的下背 |
| 731 | and you're going to take five breaths here. | 你要在这里呼吸五声 |
| 732 | Stand, close your eyes, bounce five more breaths. Sway your arms. | 站好,闭上眼睛,再呼吸五声 摇臂曰. |
| 733 | Open your eyes, jump in place and now just release. I feel great. That was awesome. | 睁开眼睛,跳到原位,现在就释放 我感觉很好。 这是真棒。 |
| 734 | And you're alive. That's amazing. We can show in brain scans that it decreases blood flow. | 你还活着 这是惊人的。 我们可以在脑部扫描中显示它会减少血液流动. |
| 735 | You decrease blood flow, you decrease oxygenation, which your body and your brain needs for activity. | 你减少血液流动, 减少氧气, 这是你的身体和大脑需要的活动。 |
| 736 | Like your mitochondria, everything in your body counts on, do we get some blood flow? | 就像你的线粒体,你身体里的所有东西都靠我们来维持血液流动吗? |
| 737 | What people don't know is their brain is off half the day and they think because they're tired | 人们不知道的是,他们的大脑 关闭了一半的一天, 他们想,因为他们累了 |
| 738 | and breath is the way back in. This activation, which people think is so weird, it's like, | 呼吸就是回来的路 这种激活,人们觉得很奇怪,就像, |
| 739 | if you're watching this and you didn't try it or you're listening, literally just tap your forearm | 如果你在看这个,你没有尝试 它或你正在听, 字面上只是敲你的前臂 |
| 740 | five times and then notice the energy. The energy just changed right there. It really | 5次,然后注意到能量。 能量就在那里改变了。 痷 |
| 741 | changed. Well, when you got your whole body, it actually goes ankle up, ankle around here | 已更改。 好吧,当你得到你的全部身体, 它实际上去脚踝上升,脚踝在这里 |
| 742 | and the whole body and then they'll also often put tapping in. And all of a sudden you're like, | 整个身体,然后他们也会 经常进行窃听。 突然间你觉得 |
| 743 | now I'm going to bang out like 10 chapters of my book. Now I'm going to finish the presentation. | 现在我要像书上十章一样翻出来 现在我要完成演讲 |
| 744 | Now I feel good to call my coaching client because sometimes I'm extremely lucky | 现在,我很高兴 打电话给我的导师客户 因为我有时非常幸运 |
| 745 | to coach some of the top performers in the world in athletics and business. | 在体育和企业领域 培养一些世界顶尖的表演者 |
| 746 | Right before I came over here, I had the blessing of coaching a billionaire, | 就在我来这里之前, 我有幸指导一个亿万富翁, |
| 747 | literally on the way over this meeting this morning. And what I have found is if you want | 今早在开会的路上 我发现的是 如果你想 |
| 748 | to be a high former, you got to learn to turn yourself on, right? Don't take that weird. | 做一个高级的前辈, 你得学会 打开自己,对不对? 别那么奇怪 |
| 749 | How do you turn your brain on? How do you turn your spirit on? How do you turn your heart on? | 你怎么把脑子打开? 如何唤起精神? 如何是发菩提心. |
| 750 | Like you've had that too, where all of a sudden you got to sit down. You had a long day. We both | 就像你也有过那样 突然间你得坐下来 你今天过得很辛苦 我们俩 |
| 751 | had long days before we did this. If you can't turn your heart, your mind, your spirit, your body on, | 很久之前,我们这样做。 如果你不能转动你的心脏,你的思想,你的精神,你的身体, |
| 752 | there is no chance for you to sustain long-term performance. | 你们没有机会保持长期的表现。 |
| 753 | 100%. I love that. That was amazing. That was awesome. No, the reason why I love it so much is | 100%,我喜欢 这是惊人的。 这是真棒。 不,我爱它的原因是 |
| 754 | because what you just said about turning yourself on, it says like when you're living, so for me, | 因为你刚才说的要自首的话 上面写着就像你活着的时候 |
| 755 | it was when I spent my time as a monk, I focused so much on the mind and we really pushed our bodies | 那时我当了修道士, 专注在思想上, 我们真的推了我们的身体 |
| 756 | to extreme lengths. And then when I came back and I was having to live in this body, I was like, | 到极长。 然后当我回来,我不得不生活在这个身体,我就像, |
| 757 | I want to serve and that's why I want to take care of my body and mind. Right? Like that became the | 欲为侍奉,故欲抚身心. 对吧? 就像这样 |
| 758 | intention. I was like, I'm going to have incredible habits for what I eat and how much I work out and | 意图。 我当时想,我会有 不可思议的习惯,我吃什么,我的工作, |
| 759 | what I do with my body because I want to serve for the rest of my life. I don't want to die early | 我用我的身体做什么 因为我想服务我的余生。 我不想早点死 |
| 760 | because I was neglectful. I don't want to die early because I was neglectful and not caring and | 因为我是忽略。 我不想早死 因为我不关心,不关心 |
| 761 | complacent because I felt I was still 22 when you still feel all of this naturally. And so the soul | 因为我觉得自己还是22岁 当你仍然自然地感受到这一切 所以灵魂 |
| 762 | is motivated by service. Like the soul gets energy from service, but the body needs activity like | 以服务为动机。 就像灵魂从服务中获得能量 但身体需要活动 |
| 763 | this movement to feel energized. Every measurable outcome in your life improves with more | 这个运动让人感到充满活力。 你生活中的每一个可以衡量的结果 都会随着更多的变化而改善 |
| 764 | quality of exercise. And I always tell people, even at a spiritual level, I ask people, | 锻炼的质量。 我总是告诉人们,即使在精神层面, 我问人们, |
| 765 | would you go to the house next door and spray paint it and break all the windows and throw a | 你会去隔壁的房子 喷漆,打破所有的窗户,扔一个 |
| 766 | bunch of garbage in it? And yet you're so willing to vandalize the temple that God has given to house | 里面有一堆垃圾吗? 而你却如此愿意破坏神赐予的神殿 |
| 767 | your soul. That's your house. So if you wouldn't go vandalize your neighbor's house, why are you | 你的灵魂 这是你的房子。 所以,如果你不去破坏 你邻居的房子,你为什么 |
| 768 | vandalizing your house, your gift? It's very important, you know, garbage in garbage out, | 破坏你的房子,你的礼物? 这很重要,你知道,垃圾在垃圾中, |
| 769 | pay attention. And I'm not here to say everyone has to eat perfectly and work out a million percent. | 请注意 我不是在这里说,每个人都必须 吃得完美,并解决一百万。 |
| 770 | I'm here to share the research that is unequivocal. Mental health and exercise and protecting both of | 我在这里分享的是 毫不含糊的研究。 心理健康、运动和保护 |
| 771 | those, diet, nutrition, meditation, all of these things, sleep, all of these impact how good of a | 那些,饮食,营养,冥想,所有这些事情,睡眠,所有这些影响... ...多好 |
| 772 | job you do tomorrow, how long you live, you know, how good you feel. And I'm like, everyone wants | 你明天做的工作, 你活多久, 你知道,你有多好的感觉。 而我喜欢,每个人都想 |
| 773 | to be happy. So this, that's what I was happy about. I was so happy that made it into the research | 以快乐。 所以,这就是我很高兴。 我很高兴能进入研究 |
| 774 | that like generate energy. That's the chapter, generating energy. How do high performers generate | 产生能量 这就是创造能量的章节。 高业绩者如何产生 |
| 775 | energy and sustain it? And all these things we talk about in our industry, it came up in the | 能量并维持它? 我们在工业里谈论的这些事情 都发生在 |
| 776 | research. I was like, yes, I'm so happy about that. Yeah. It's amazing. I love it. This all the, and | 调查。 我很喜欢,是的,我很高兴。 对 不可思议. 我喜欢它。 这一切,和 |
| 777 | again, it's accessible to anyone. We didn't, we didn't pay for gym membership just now. We didn't | 再说一遍,任何人都可以使用 我们没有,我们没有支付 体育会会员刚刚。 我们没有 |
| 778 | have to have fancy clothes on for the gym membership. I feel great. I genuinely, yeah, literally. | 健身房会员必须穿好衣服 我感觉很好。 我真的,是的,从字面上说。 |
| 779 | I'm fired up. I feel like I, and I'm not, and I'm not saying this just for the cameras. Like, | 我被炒鱿鱼了 我觉得我,我不是, 我不是说这个只是为了摄像头。 喜欢, |
| 780 | I actually feel how I felt when we first started. It's got that, you know, it's like, yeah, it's, | 我真正感受到了我们刚开始的时候的感觉 它有,你知道, 它就像,是的,这是, |
| 781 | it's great. And so it a hundred percent works. I love it. Recharge every 50 minutes. And he's | 这是伟大的。 所以百分之百地奏效。 我喜欢它。 每50分钟再充电一次 而他却 |
| 782 | been with, Travis has been backstage with me for 10 years or he's, he's been setting up video in | 崔维斯跟我在后台已经十年了 或者他一直在录影 |
| 783 | the other room. And he hears that like, I always do it. And it's like, cause when you watch the | 另一间房 他听到这样,我总是这样做。 这就像,当你看 |
| 784 | volume of online video I've done, whether it's YouTube or our online courses, where most of my | 我做了很多在线视频 无论是YouTube还是我们的在线课程 |
| 785 | video is, it's like so, I mean, it's literally, I don't even know how many hundreds of hours are | 视频是这样的,我的意思是, 字面上,我什至不知道 多少数百小时是 |
| 786 | there. And he's never seen me in the middle of it, you know, cause of these practices. And I, | 这里 他从来没有见过我 在中间,你知道,这些 做法的原因。 还有我 |
| 787 | it wasn't natural to me because I, listen, Netflix and chill. Let's go brother. I can | 这对我来说不自然 因为我,听着,Netflix和寒冷。 让我们去兄弟。 我当然可以 |
| 788 | chill like the best of, I got no problem, but I want to make an impact. I want to help people. | 冷静点,我没什么问题 但我想做点什么 我想帮助别人 |
| 789 | You know what the worst thing is when you're trying to help someone and your mind is kind of | 你知道最糟糕的是什么 当你试图帮助某人, 你的头脑是那种 |
| 790 | blinking out. Cause you didn't take care of yourself. You didn't eat good. You didn't care | 闪闪发光 因为你没有照顾好自己 你没有吃好。 你根本不关心 |
| 791 | about your sleep. You know, I work with athletes, high performers, business people who, who they | 关于你的睡眠。 你知道,我的工作 运动员,高业绩者, 商人谁,他们 |
| 792 | regret those moments in those days where they allowed themselves to burn out or they didn't | 后悔那些时候 他们允许自己烧掉 或者没有 |
| 793 | care for themselves because it shows up on the scoreboard. It shows up in your bank account. | 照顾自己,因为它出现在记分牌上。 它出现在你的银行账户里。 |
| 794 | But mostly it shows up in how you treat people. I always tell people, if you won't take care of | 但大多是表现在如何对待人。 我总是告诉别人,如果你不照顾 |
| 795 | yourself for yourself, take care of yourself. So you're less rude to other people. Because | 你自己照顾自己 所以你对别人没那么粗鲁 因为 |
| 796 | guess when you're tired, science shows you're more irritable. You're more short and you're faster to | 你累了,科学显示你更刺激 你更矮,你更快到 |
| 797 | conflict, right? And so it's like, if you won't take care of yourself for yourself, do it for the | 冲突,对不对? 所以,它就像,如果你 不照顾你自己, |
| 798 | poor people around you who probably get some of that irritability. I love it. Brendan, you're | 你身边的穷人 可能有些烦恼 我喜欢它。 布伦丹,你是 |
| 799 | amazing. This is so much fun. Honestly, this is, this has been so much fun. Yeah, this is great. | 厉害 这太有趣了 老实说 这很有趣 是啊,这是伟大的。 |
| 800 | And I'm glad you had us do that activity. I wanted to. Yeah, me too. I feel better. Yeah, | 我很高兴你让我们做那个活动。 我本来想的 是啊,我也一样。 我感觉好多了。 对 |
| 801 | I feel better. But also I just, I want everyone listening, watching to know that, you know, | 我感觉好多了。 但我也希望每个人都能听 看着知道 |
| 802 | you can pick up such simple, beautiful tips and insights just by watching. Now you can play that | 你只要看一看,就能听到这么简单,美丽的提示和见解。 现在你可以弹了 |
| 803 | part of the video over again and again and again. We'll turn it into a little Instagram video, | 一段视频反复播放 我们把它变成一个小的Instagram视频, |
| 804 | that'd be fun. But it's just such an easy thing that anyone can pick up and literally | 那会很有趣。 但这是件容易的事 任何人都可以拿起 字面上 |
| 805 | refocus, get back in the zone. And like you said, it's like when you want to serve, you want to be | 重新聚焦,回到区域。 就像你说的,这就像 当你想要服务,你想成为 |
| 806 | at your best. You don't want to be at your worst and you're trying to push yourself. And I genuinely | 尽你所能 岂不思议最坏而欲自推. 我真心实意 |
| 807 | hear this from so many people who I know are genuinely trying to give their best and serve. | 我认识的那么多人 都真心想尽最大的努力 |
| 808 | Yeah. But they feel drained at the end of the day. Yes. Because they're just giving and outpouring | 对 但是,他们感到排水到最后。 对 因为他们只是付出和施展 |
| 809 | and serving and loving and caring and supporting and they're just going for it. And at the end of | 服务 爱 关爱 支持 他们只是去追求它 临Τ程 |
| 810 | the day, and I've been in that place before where you just feel drained. Yes. And I started to | 那天,我一直在那个地方 在那里你只是感觉排水。 对 我开始 |
| 811 | realize I didn't want to feel that way anymore because that wasn't the badge of honor of service. | 意识到我不想再有那种感觉了 因为这不是荣誉勋章 |
| 812 | No. That wasn't the badge of honor that I've really given today. And if you believe in | 没有 那不是我今天真正赐予的荣誉勋章 如果你相信的话 |
| 813 | associations, if you drain yourself every day in service, which a lot of people do, | 协会,如果你每天在服务中耗尽自己, 这是很多人做的, |
| 814 | at the end of the day, you're burned out and you're tired. At some point, your body and your brain, | 到了最后,你被烧焦了,你累了。 有时候,你的身体和大脑 |
| 815 | your spirit and your soul, you don't mean to, starts associating your purpose with that feeling. | 你的灵魂,你不是故意的, 开始将你的目的与那种感觉联系起来。 |
| 816 | And one day you go, maybe your psychology goes, maybe the purpose is wrong. And it forgets, | 有一天你走,也许你的心理学走, 也许目的是错误的。 它忘记了, |
| 817 | the behavior that's leading to a feeling doesn't feel good, but your brain doesn't know sometimes | 导致感觉的行为 感觉不好 但你的大脑有时不知道 |
| 818 | and it puts them together. And now you question your purpose when really you're tired. And so | 让他们走到一起 现在你质疑你的目的 当你真的累了。 这样 |
| 819 | let's do that. Yes. And now you do the math. Okay. Cause we've all done that. Everyone listening has | 让我们做到这一点。 对 现在你做数学。 摆 因为我们都这么做了 每个人都在听 |
| 820 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}那首首当其冲的歌 因为人体是不可思议的。 我们可以去多年的燃烧。 | |
| 821 | It's unbelievable. Other animals would not put up with this nonsense, but we convince | 难以置信 其他动物不会容忍这种胡说八道 但我们相信 |
| 822 | ourselves that it's okay. No other animal does that. We're just, I mean, I mean, well, salmon, | 我们自己认为没关系 没有其他动物这样做。 我们只是,我的意思是,嗯,鲑鱼, |
| 823 | they just salmon do it. They swim till they die. Okay. I'm sorry. Some animals do it, but, but | 他们只做鲑鱼。 他们游泳直到死亡。 摆 对不起 有些动物这样做,但是 |
| 824 | humans were super unique that we psych ourselves into this. But here's the issue. A, | 人类是超级独特的, 我们精神我们自己在这个。 但问题是... A级, |
| 825 | you will probably burn out your service because you won't feel good about it. | 你可能会烧掉你的服务 因为你不会觉得很好。 |
| 826 | But think about high performers. They go so much longer providing great service. But here's the | 但考虑一下表现高的人. 他们更长时间地提供服务。 但这里 |
| 827 | trick. If you do the math on what I talked about, break every hour, take an eight hour workday, | 骗局。 如果你按我说的做算法 每小时休息8小时工作 |
| 828 | high performers, they're not smarter than you. They're not better than you. They aren't more | 表现优秀的人, 他们不比你聪明。 他们不比你好 他们不是更多 |
| 829 | lucky than you. It's not their age, their nationality, but one of the things they did | 比你幸运。 这不是他们的年龄,他们的国籍, 而是他们所做的一件事 |
| 830 | during an eight hour workday, they took eight more breaks than you did. | 在一个8小时的工作日里 他们比你们多休息8次 |
| 831 | They took eight more breaks than you did today. That's why tomorrow they show up more clear. | 他们比你今天多休息八次 这就是为什么他们明天出现 更清楚。 |
| 832 | That's why next week when you're in the meeting and it's time to brainstorm and you're fried, | 这就是为什么下周当你在开会的时候,是时候 脑暴,你被炒了, |
| 833 | you come up with nothing. It's that Gallup on the whiteboard who wrote down 20 ideas because she's | 你一无所获 是盖洛普在白板上写下20个想法 因为她 |
| 834 | still fresh. That's not because her disposition, she's probably a high performer who took more | 还是新鲜的。 不是因为她的意向, 她可能是一个高的表演者 谁拿更多 |
| 835 | breaks than you. We think breaking and pausing and refreshing is failure. | 打破比你的。 我们认为破门而入 破门而出 是失败。 |
| 836 | Oh, I love that sharpening. I've never used that. I love that sharpening. It is sharpening. It is | 哦,我喜欢这个磨刀。 我从没用过这个 我喜欢磨刀 它正在磨磨。 没错 |
| 837 | the NASCAR at the pit stop to make it go faster, to make it win the race. It's so funny when you | 在坑口的NASCAR让它跑得更快,让它赢得比赛. 这很有趣,当你 |
| 838 | say high performance, everyone goes, well, they must, they just outwork, out hustle, outwork. | 说高性能,每个人都去, 好了,他们必须, 他们只是出工,出工,出工。 |
| 839 | Actually, I'm like, oh no, they actually see harmony more than everybody else. | 实际上,我就像,哦,不, 他们实际上看到和谐 比其他人。 |
| 840 | They look for that. They're trying to optimize their time, their harmony, to manage their energy | 他们在找那个 他们试图优化时间,和谐,管理自己的能量 |
| 841 | so they can perform longer. I want to do this until I'm dead. I'm one of those guys. I found | 所以他们可以发挥更长的时间。 我想这样做直到我死了。 我是一个这样的人。 我发现 |
| 842 | my purpose. I want to help people live, love and matter. To get there, they got to achieve their | 我的目标 我想帮助人们生活,爱和物质。 要到达那里,他们必须实现他们 |
| 843 | goals faster. They got to use their voice. They got to help other people. They got to live an | 目标更快。 他们必须用他们的声音。 他们必须帮助其他人。 他们得活下来 |
| 844 | authentic, vibrant life. That's what I want to help people do. I'll do that till I'm done. | 真正的,充满活力的生活。 这就是我要帮助人们做的。 我会做到这一点,直到我完成。 |
| 845 | I'll do that till I'm done. So I got to manage myself. I do those four day seminars by myself | 我会做到这一点,直到我完成。 所以我得自己处理 那四天的讨论会我一个人做 |
| 846 | on stage for 10 hours. I was like, how? They just think, well, Brendan's an energizer bunny. If you | 在舞台上10小时。 我当时是怎么说的? 他们只是觉得 Brendan是个充满活力的兔子 如果你们 |
| 847 | saw me backstage, I'm doing that Qigong. I'm protein shaking it. I'm stretching out every night. | 看到我在后台,我在做齐贡。 我是蛋白质摇晃它。 我每晚都会伸展 |
| 848 | I'm doing the ice baths. I'm changing my behavior from heavy lifting to more cardio to get the lung | 我在洗冰浴,我正在洗冰浴,现在... 我改变我的行为 从举重到更多的心肺 |
| 849 | capacity two weeks in advance. I'm diligent about exactly what I eat at the four day events. I sleep | 两周前 我勤奋地在四天的活动中吃什么 我睡着了 |
| 850 | at the same schedule. Everything is literally set up for me to perform 10 hours a day on stage for | 在同一时间表上。 我每天在舞台上表演十小时 |
| 851 | four days by myself. That's not luck. That is because I care. I love it. Brendan, we end every | 我一个人呆了四天 这不是运气。 那是因为我在乎 我喜欢它。 布兰登,我们每个结束 |
| 852 | interview with the final five quick, five rapid fire rounds. So this is five questions, one word | 采访最后的五发速射子弹 所以这是五个问题,一个字 |
| 853 | answers, maximum one sentence, maximum one sentence. So the first question is, what was the last kind | 答案,最多一句话,最多一句话。 所以,第一个问题是, 什么是最后一种 |
| 854 | thing you did for a stranger? One word. Oh gosh. Or one sentence. No, it just came to my mind | 你为陌生人做的事? 一个字 天呐 或说一句. 不,我刚刚想到 |
| 855 | because a dear friend had somebody, a big loss in their life. And I just sent them a voice text | 因为一个亲爱的朋友有个人 生命中的一大损失 我刚刚给他们发了语音短信 |
| 856 | and said, if you need me on a plane, if you need an hour or two to have a conversation, | 并说,如果你需要我在飞机上, 如果你需要一两个小时 谈话, |
| 857 | you're the type of person who's always the giver and always striving. | 你是那种总是施舍者 总是努力的人 |
| 858 | And caretakers very rarely asked for care. So I'm here. Love it. Okay. Question number two. | 照顾者很少要求照顾。 所以我在这里。 喜欢它。 摆 第二问. |
| 859 | I'm sorry. The answer was sent a voice text, but I sent it one seven days in a row. Okay. Same one. | 对不起 答案被发送到语音文本,但我连续七天发送. 摆 同一个 |
| 860 | Different one. New voice text for seven days in a row. A lot of people say, I'm here for you. I was | 不同的一个。 连续七天新增语音文字. 很多人说,我在这里为你。 и琌 |
| 861 | like, I hound them. Yeah. I love that. Okay. Question number two. What's a lesson you find hard to teach | 喜欢,我猎杀他们。 对 我喜欢 摆 第二问. 什么是你发现难教 |
| 862 | others? Patience. Ah, nice. Okay. Question number three. What's the one question you ask yourself | 别人? 耐心点 啊,不错。 摆 第三问. 你问自己一个问题是什么 |
| 863 | the most? You've told us a bit about this. Outside of, did I live, did I love, did it matter? Yeah. | 最多吗? 你和我们说过了 外面,我住过,我爱过吗? 对 |
| 864 | I ask what level of presence and energy am I holding and creating right now? It's a, | 我问,现在我拥有和创造什么样的存在和能量? 这是一个, |
| 865 | we call it line trigger in high performance. Like anytime I wait in line, like Starbucks or | 我们称之为高性能线触发器 每当我排队等待, 像星巴克或 |
| 866 | I'm reading line, I always say, what level of presence and energy am I right now? It makes me | 我读行,我总是说, 我是什么程度的存在和精力现在? 这让我 |
| 867 | cue in. I love that. Okay. Question number four. The one belief that took you the longest | 开始吧 我喜欢 摆 第四问. 让你活得最久的信念 |
| 868 | to really put into practice. The one belief that took you the longest to put into practice. | 将真正付诸实践。 唯一能让你实践时间最长的信念 |
| 869 | Trust in others. Wow. Powerful. We'll have to unpack that next time. Yeah. Question final five, | 信任别人 珃 威力无边. 下回我们得收拾行李了 对 最后五个问题 |
| 870 | your fifth one is, and I kind of know the answer to this, but I'm going to ask you anyway, | 你的第五个是 我知道答案 但我还是要问你 |
| 871 | because you can, you can change it up is how do you know if you've lived a good life? | 因为你可以,你可以改变它 是如何知道,如果你已经过一个好的生活? |
| 872 | The answer is to, did I live, did I love, did I matter? No, I loved it. But most importantly, | 答案是,我是否活着,我爱过,我在乎吗? 不,我喜欢它。 但最重要的是,我们... |
| 873 | did I earn this? You know, did I, did I earn that second chance? | 我挣的吗? 你知道,我有, 我赢得了第二次机会? |
| 874 | Love it. Brendan Bouchard, everyone. You're the man. You're amazing. This is amazing. It's been an | 喜欢它。 布兰登·布沙尔,各位 你是那个男人。 你真厉害 这是惊人的。 这已经是一个 |
| 875 | honor. You're awesome. Thank you, brother. You are so incredible. I can't wait to have you back on. | 荣誉 你真厉害 谢谢你,兄弟 你是如此不可思议。 我等不及要你回来了 |
| 876 | I can't wait. Yeah. You got to come back and do a part two and a part three. If the audience asks, | 等不及了 等会儿吧 对 你得回来做一个第二部分和第三部分。 如果观众问, |
| 877 | I'm here. We need to do this again. I would love to. This is so fun. We have so much to unpack. We | 我在这里。 我们必须再次这样做。 我很乐意 这太有趣了。 我们有好多东西要收拾 我们 |
| 878 | have so much in common and I love your purpose and your mission and how you are learning and | 有很多共同点 我喜欢你的目的和使命 还有你是如何学习的 |
| 879 | adjusting and giving and serving. And I wish, and when listening, I wish you knew how hard this guy | 调整、给予和服务。 我希望,当听到, 我希望你知道 这家伙有多难 |
| 880 | works for you. Thank you, man. It's, yeah, it's just the beginning. It's, you know, that's how I feel | 为你工作。 谢谢 才刚开始呢 这就是我的感受 |
| 881 | every day. It's just the beginning. Start from scratch again. I still feel the same. Every | 每天都这样 这只是开始。 从头开始 我仍然有同样的感觉。 每个 |
| 882 | single day. We're just getting warmed up. Yeah, absolutely, man. Because her disposition, | 单日. 我们刚热身 是的,绝对的,男人。 因为她的倾向, |
| 883 | she's probably a high performer who took more breaks than you. We think breaking | 她可能是一个优秀的演员 谁休息的时间比你多。 我们想打破 |
| 884 | and pausing and refreshing is failure. It's the own. Oh, I love that sharpening. I've never used | 贫乏和清新是失败的。 这是自己的。 哦,我喜欢这个磨刀。 我从来没有用过 |
| 885 | that. I love that sharpening. It is sharpening. It is the NASCAR at the pit stop to make it go | 那个 我喜欢磨刀 它正在磨磨。 是坑口的NASCAR让它走 |
| 886 | faster, to make it win the race. And so it's, it's, it's, it's so funny when you say high | 更快, 让它赢得比赛。 所以,这是,这是,它是如此的有趣 当你说高 |
| 887 | performance, everyone goes, well, they must, they just outwork, out hustle, out work. Actually, | 表演,每个人都去, 好了,他们必须, 他们只是出工,出工,出工。 其实 |
| 888 | I'm like, oh no, they actually see harmony more than everybody else. They act, they look for that. | 我很喜欢,哦,不, 他们实际上看到和谐 比其他人。 他们的行为,他们寻找。 |
| 889 | They're trying to optimize their time, their harmony to manage their energy so they can | 他们试图优化他们的时间, 他们的和谐管理 他们的能量,他们可以 |
| 890 | perform longer. I want to do this until I'm dead. Yeah, me too. I'm one of those guys, | 表现得更长。 我想这样做直到我死了。 是啊,我也一样。 我是一个这样的人, |
| 891 | like I found my purpose. Me too. I want to help people live, love and matter to get there. They | 就像我找到了我的目的一样 我也一样。 我想帮助人们生活,爱和物质到达那里. 他们 |
| 892 | got to achieve their goals faster. They got to use their voice. They got to help other people. | 必须更快地实现他们的目标 他们必须用他们的声音。 他们必须帮助其他人。 |
| 893 | They got to live an authentic, vibrant life. And they, that's what I want to help people do. I'll | 他们必须过上真实,充满活力的生活. 他们,这就是我想帮助人们做的。 我会的 |
| 894 | do that till I'm done. I'll do that to them. So I got to manage myself. Yeah. You know, I do those | 这样做直到我完成。 我会这么做的 所以,我必须管理自己。 对 你知道,我这样做 |
| 895 | four day seminars by myself on stage for 10 hours. I was like, how they just think, well, | 我一个人在舞台上进行为期十小时的四天研讨会 我当时想,他们怎么想,嗯, |
| 896 | Britain's an energizer bunny. If you saw me backstage, I'm doing that. I'm protein shaking | 英国是个充满活力的兔子 如果你看到我在后台 我就这么做 我在发抖 |
| 897 | it. You know, I'm stretching out every night. I'm doing the ice baths. I'm changing my behavior | 这个 我每晚都会伸展 我在洗冰浴,我正在洗冰浴,现在... 我改变我的行为 |
| 898 | from heavy lifting to more cardio to get the lung capacity two weeks in advance. I'm diligent about | 从举重到更多的心肺 提前两周获得肺功能 我很勤奋 |
| 899 | exactly what I eat at the four day events. I sleep at the same schedule. Like everything is literally | 我在四天的活动上吃的东西 我睡在同一时间。 就像一切都是真实的 |
| 900 | set up for me to perform 10 hours a day on stage for four days by myself. That's not luck. | 安排我每天在舞台上表演10小时 独自表演4天 这不是运气。 |
| 901 | That is cause I care. I love it. Brendan, we end every interview with a final five quick, | 那是因为我在乎 我喜欢它。 布伦丹,我们结束每一次采访 以最后五个快速, |
| 902 | five rapid fire round. So this is five questions, one word answers, maximum one sentence, | 5个快速射击回合。 因此,这是五个问题, 一个字答案, 最多一句话, |
| 903 | maximum one sentence. Okay. So the first question is what was the last kind thing you did for a | 最多一句话。 摆 所以,第一个问题是 什么是你做的最后一件事情 |
| 904 | stranger? Uh, one word. Oh gosh. Oh, one said, no, I had, we just came to my mind because a | 陌生人吗? 嗯,一个字。 天呐 哦,有人说,不,我说过,我们只是想到一个 |
| 905 | dear friend had somebody, a big loss in their life. Um, and I just sent them a voice text | 亲爱的朋友有个人 生命中的一大损失 嗯,我只是给他们发了语音短信 |
| 906 | and said, if you need me on a plane, if you need an hour or two to have a conversation, um, | 并说,如果你需要我 在飞机上, 如果你需要一两个小时 谈话,嗯, |
| 907 | you're the type of person who's always the giver and always striving | 你是那种总是献身者 总是努力的人 |
| 908 | and caretakers very rarely asked for care. So I'm here. I love it. Okay. Question number two. | 照顾者很少要求照顾。 所以我在这里。 我喜欢它。 摆 第二问. |
| 909 | I'm sorry. The answer was sent a voice text, but I sent it one seven days in a row. Okay. Same one. | 对不起 答案被发送到语音文本,但我连续七天发送. 摆 同一个 |
| 910 | Different one. New voice text for seven days in a row. A lot of people say I'm here for it. I was | 不同的一个。 连续七天新增语音文字. 很多人都说我是为了这个 и琌 |
| 911 | like, I hound them. Yeah. I love that. Okay. Question number two. What's a lesson you find | 喜欢,我猎杀他们。 对 我喜欢 摆 第二问. 你发现什么教训? |
| 912 | hard to teach others? Patience. Ah, nice. Okay. Question number three. What's the one question | 很难教别人吗? 耐心点 啊,不错。 摆 第三问. 只有一个问题 |
| 913 | you ask yourself the most? You've told us a bit about this, but outside of did I live, did I love | 你问自己最多? 你跟我们讲过一些事情,但是我是否活着,爱过吗? |
| 914 | that matter? I ask what level of presence and energy am I holding and creating right now? | 这重要吗? 我问,现在我拥有和创造什么样的存在和能量? |
| 915 | It's a, we call it line trigger in high performance. Like anytime I wait in line, | 这是一个,我们称之为线 触发在高性能。 每当我排队等待的时候 |
| 916 | like Starbucks or I'm reading line, I always what level of presence and energy am I right now? It | 就像星巴克或者我在读台词, 我总是有什么样的水平 和能量,我现在吗? 这个 |
| 917 | makes me queue in. I love that. Okay. Question number four. The one belief that took you the | 让我排队 我喜欢 摆 第四问. 唯一让你相信 |
| 918 | longest to really put into practice. The one belief that took you the longest to put into practice. | 最长到真正投入实践。 唯一能让你实践时间最长的信念 |
| 919 | Trust in others. Wow. We'll have to unpack that next time. Yeah. Question final five. Your fifth | 信任别人 珃 下回我们得收拾行李了 对 问最后五. 第五个 |
| 920 | one is, and I kind of know the answer to this, but I'm going to ask you anyway, because you can | 其中一个是,我有点知道答案, 但我还是要问你,因为你可以 |
| 921 | change it up is how do you know if you've lived a good life? The answer is to did I live, did I | 改变它是如何知道 如果你已经过一个好的生活? 答案是,我是否活着,我 |
| 922 | love, did I matter? No, I loved it. But most importantly, did I earn this? Did I earn that | 亲爱的,我在乎吗? 不,我喜欢它。 但最重要的是,我挣的吗? 我赚到钱了吗? |
| 923 | second chance? That's a good one. Brendan Bouchard everyone. You're the man. You're amazing, Brendan. | 第二次机会? 这是一个很好的。 布兰登·布沙尔 你是那个男人。 你真厉害,布伦丹 |
| 924 | This is amazing. It's been an honor. You are awesome. Thank you, brother. You are so incredible. I | 这是惊人的。 我很荣幸 你真厉害 谢谢你,兄弟 你是如此不可思议。 一、导 言 |
| 925 | can't wait to have you back on. I can't wait. Yeah. You got to come back and do a part two and a part | 等不及要你回来了 等不及了 等会儿 对 你必须回来做一个第二部分和一部分 |
| 926 | three. Anytime. If the audience asks, I'm here. We need to do this again. I would love to. This is | 三个。 随时随地. 如果观众问,我在这里。 我们必须再次这样做。 我很乐意 这是 |
| 927 | so fun. We have so much to unpack. We have so much in common. So much more. I love your purpose | 这么有趣。 我们有好多东西要收拾 我们有很多共同点。 还有这么多 我爱你的目的 |
| 928 | and your mission and how you are learning and adjusting and giving and serving. And I wish, | 以及你的使命 以及你是如何学习和调整 给予和服务的 我希望这样 |
| 929 | anyone listening, I wish you knew how hard this guy works for you. Thank you, man. It's just the | 我希望你知道这家伙为你工作有多辛苦 谢谢 这只是 |
| 930 | beginning. That's how I feel every day. It's just the beginning. Start from scratch again. I still | 开始。 我每天都有这种感觉 这只是开始。 从头开始 我还是 |
| 931 | feel the same. Every single day. We're just getting warmed up. Yeah. Absolutely, man. | 感觉是一样的。 每一天都这样 我们刚热身 对 当然,伙计。 |
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| 933 | right here. If you want to continue seeing these kinds of stories, you can subscribe by clicking | 在这里。 如果你想继续看到这些故事,你可以点击订阅 |
| 934 | the link right here. If you want to continue seeing these kinds of stories, you can subscribe by clicking the link right here. | 这里的链接。 如果你想继续看到这些故事,你可以在这里点击链接来订阅. |
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| 0:00 | The biggest thing is, if you're trying to march down a path of self-improvement | 最大的事情是,如果你试图走 一条自我改善的道路 |
| 0:05 | without clarity, without a terrifying level of clarity, you're never going to make it. | 没有清晰,没有恐怖的清晰度, 你永远不会做到这一点。 |
| 0:09 | And when people say that your network is your net worth, that's partly what they mean. | 当人们说 你的网络是你的净值, 部分就是他们的意思。 |
| 0:13 | It's like, oh, who you know, it's not what you know, it's who you know. | 这就像,哦,谁你知道, 它不是你知道的, 它是谁知道。 |
| 0:16 | That's part of it for sure, and that's valuable. | 这是其中的一部分是肯定的,这是有价值的。 |
| 0:18 | But the other part is like, well, if you have people in your network that know something you don't | 但另一部分就像,嗯, 如果你有的人 在你的网络,知道一些你不知道的东西 |
| 0:24 | and can tell you, and you can hear it, that will be life-changing. | 并且可以告诉你, 你可以听到它, 这将改变生命。 |
| 0:31 | Timing is everything. | 时机就是一切。 |
| 0:32 | Absolutely. And literally, we were at a conference, what, two weeks ago now, I think? | 当然 而实际上,我们是在 一个会议,什么,两周前 现在,我想? |
| 0:36 | Yes. | 对 |
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| 1 | The biggest thing is, if you're trying to march down a path of self-improvement | 最大的事情是,如果你试图走 一条自我改善的道路 |
| 2 | without clarity, without a terrifying level of clarity, you're never going to make it. | 没有清晰,没有恐怖的清晰度, 你永远不会做到这一点。 |
| 3 | And when people say that your network is your net worth, that's partly what they mean. | 当人们说 你的网络是你的净值, 部分就是他们的意思。 |
| 4 | It's like, oh, who you know, it's not what you know, it's who you know. | 这就像,哦,谁你知道, 它不是你知道的, 它是谁知道。 |
| 5 | That's part of it for sure, and that's valuable. | 这是其中的一部分是肯定的,这是有价值的。 |
| 6 | But the other part is like, well, if you have people in your network that know something you don't | 但另一部分就像,嗯, 如果你有的人 在你的网络,知道一些你不知道的东西 |
| 7 | and can tell you, and you can hear it, that will be life-changing. | 并且可以告诉你, 你可以听到它, 这将改变生命。 |
| 8 | Timing is everything. | 时机就是一切。 |
| 9 | Absolutely. And literally, we were at a conference, what, two weeks ago now, I think? | 当然 而实际上,我们是在 一个会议,什么,两周前 现在,我想? |
| 10 | Yes. | 对 |
| 11 | And Tom talks about hard work. | 而汤姆则谈论勤劳. |
| 12 | And if you listen to Tom, he'll talk about how if you want to stand out in the noise, you have to put in the work. | 如果你听汤姆的话,他会说 如果你想在噪音中突出, 你必须把工作。 |
| 13 | You have to be working harder than everyone else around you. | 你必须比周围所有人更努力工作 |
| 14 | Tom worked harder than every speaker there. | 汤姆比那里的每个发言者都努力工作 |
| 15 | I thought I was going to work harder that weekend. I think I can second. | 我以为那周末我会更努力工作 我想我可以换个 |
| 16 | But Tom literally worked harder than every single person there. | 但汤姆比那里每一个人都努力工作 |
| 17 | He was in all the meet and greets. He spent time with everyone. | 他在所有的聚会和问候。 他和每个人都在一起 |
| 18 | He answered everyone's questions. Your work ethic, man. | 他回答了每个人的问题。 你的工作道德,伙计。 |
| 19 | It's admirable, but more importantly, it's real because you've got to love it to do that much. | 这是令人钦佩的,但更重要的是,它是真实的, 因为你必须爱它做这么多。 |
| 20 | Yeah, that well said. You've got to love it to do it that much. | 是啊,说得好。 你要爱它才能做这么多。 |
| 21 | Or here's the bad news. You actually don't have to love it to do that much, but you will burn out. | 或此恶报. 其实你不需要喜欢它做这么多, 但你会烧焦。 |
| 22 | And so one thing that I worry and actually worry about this in my message. | 所以有一件事,我担心 并实际上担心 这一点在我的信息。 |
| 23 | So I used to post a lot about what time I was waking up. | 所以,我经常张贴 我什么时候醒来。 |
| 24 | I'd show myself in the gym sometimes at like 2 a.m. | 我有时会在凌晨2点在健身房露面 |
| 25 | And so people started setting an alarm and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. | 于是人们开始设置警报 我就像,哇,哇,哇。 |
| 26 | Like, that's not what this is. Like, I sleep as much as I need to. I prioritize sleep. | 像,这不是这是什么。 喜欢,我睡觉 需要多少。 我优先睡觉。 |
| 27 | So I stopped doing that because I didn't want people to lose sight of what I'm really saying, | 所以我不这样做 因为我不希望人们 忽视我所说的, |
| 28 | which is that fulfillment is the punch line. | 即实现就是冲锋线。 |
| 29 | So if we can just literally skip to the end of like the whole thing that we're going to talk about, | 所以如果我们能像我们将要谈论的一样 跳到最后 |
| 30 | like all of life, the success of people are chasing. | 就像所有的生命一样 人们的成功正在追逐 |
| 31 | They think they want money and fame and all of that. | 他们认为他们想要钱和名声等等 |
| 32 | And those things can be very valuable in a way, | 这些东西从某种意义上来说可以很有价值 |
| 33 | but they aren't the punch line of life. | 但他们不是生命的一线。 |
| 34 | So the punch line of life is how you feel about yourself when you're by yourself. | 所以人生的第一线 就是你对你自己的感觉 |
| 35 | That's it. Like, that's all any of us have. | 就这样 像,这是我们每个人都有。 |
| 36 | And the only thing any of us are ever haunted by are when we feel like we've let ourselves down | 而我们中唯一被困扰的是 当我们觉得自己已经失望 |
| 37 | or not lived up to who we wanted to be. | 或者不满足我们想要的 |
| 38 | And so I have chosen to value hard work and discipline. | 所以我选择了珍视辛勤工作和纪律。 |
| 39 | And so because of that, it's like I've cultivated that around myself and, you know, | 所以,因为这个, 它就像我已经 栽培在自己身边,你知道, |
| 40 | is something that I really want to give. | 我真心想给你的东西 |
| 41 | But what I want people to hear in my message about like working hard and discipline | 但我希望人们在我的信息中听到的, 像勤劳和纪律 |
| 42 | and all of that is the only reason that I put as much time and energy into it is because I love it. | 这一切是我投入时间和精力的唯一原因 因为我喜欢它。 |
| 43 | So me trying this method in something I don't love, I've lived that. | 所以我用我不喜欢的东西来尝试这个方法, 我活了下来。 |
| 44 | I know where that ends and it ends with me quitting. | 我知道结局是什么,我辞职就结束了 |
| 45 | And, you know, that's something that I'm sure we'll get into later. | 你知道,这是一些 我相信我们以后会进入。 |
| 46 | But it was like I did that. | 但就像我这样做。 |
| 47 | The first six and a half years of my journey as an entrepreneur were about the typical grind it out stuff. | 作为企业家,我前六年半的旅程 是关于典型的磨碎它的东西。 |
| 48 | And look, man, it it was an important phase in my life, | 听着,伙计,这是我人生中的一个重要阶段, |
| 49 | but it ended up really chipping away at my soul. | 但最终它真的 切除我的灵魂。 |
| 50 | And I flirted with depression just enough in my life to know how dangerous it is and dangerous | 我和忧郁的调情 在我的生活 足以知道有多危险 和危险 |
| 51 | because it will literally lead to somebody killing themselves or just dangerous in that. | 因为它会导致有人自杀 或只是危险的。 |
| 52 | Yeah, sure. You live a normal lifespan, but you hate every minute of it. | 当然 你过着正常的生活 但你讨厌每分每秒 |
| 53 | And so just really understanding how you get out from under that and like lesson number one, love what you do. | 所以要真正理解你是如何从下面走出的, 就像第一课一样, 爱你的工作。 |
| 54 | Absolutely, man. | 当然,伙计。 |
| 55 | And you've said it before that when you started out, there was a time when it was just about money. | 你之前说过,当你开始的时候, 曾经有一段时间它只是关于钱。 |
| 56 | One just about getting rich. | 一个就是发财 |
| 57 | That's it. I used to repeat that over and over and over. | 就这样 常复说此经. |
| 58 | What? I just want to get rich. | 你说什么? 我只是想发财 |
| 59 | I just want to get rich. That's what this is. | 我只是想发财 这就是它是什么。 |
| 60 | I kept saying to my wife, I'm going to make you rich. I'm going to make you rich. | 我不停地对我太太说 我要让你发财 我会让你发财的 |
| 61 | I'm going to make you rich. | 我会让你发财的 |
| 62 | Like it was it was the core of my identity from the time I was probably preteen | 好像那是我从我大概早年起 身份的核心 |
| 63 | because this was tied to my desire to be a filmmaker was film was I knew like inside I identify as an artist far more than I do as an entrepreneur. | 因为这与我成为电影制作人的愿望有关... ...是电影... ...我知道在内心里,我比企业家更确定艺术家的身份。 |
| 64 | And I was looking at, OK, I love poetry and I love filmmaking. | 我当时在看,我喜欢诗歌和电影制作。 |
| 65 | Well, there's no money to be made in poetry, but I could become truly wealthy in filmmaking. | 嗯,诗歌里没有钱, 但我可以变得真正富有 在电影制作。 |
| 66 | So that for me was a creative endeavor that I could also generate tremendous wealth. | 对我来说,这是一个创造性的努力, 我也可以创造巨大的财富。 |
| 67 | And so that put me on a path, which, of course, was part of the reason that I went into being an entrepreneur in the first place was | 这让我走上了一条道路, 当然,这也是我成为企业家的原因之一。 |
| 68 | I needed to control the art. I needed to control the resources. | 我需要控制艺术。 我需要控制资源。 |
| 69 | So I had to like learn business. | 所以我不得不喜欢学习生意。 |
| 70 | And so going down that path and really realizing what it took to build a business and all of that, which is a whole universe unto itself, | 所以沿着这条路走下去 真正意识到 建立企业所花费的代价 以及所有这一切 |
| 71 | to have the will to push through all of that difficulty, it was I'm going to get rich. | 要有意志 推动所有 困难, 它的我要发财。 |
| 72 | I'm going to get rich. I'm going to get rich. | 即得发财. 即得发财. |
| 73 | And then just realized that maybe for Scrooge McDuck, who wants to swim in his money, | 然后才意识到,也许对史克罗吉·麦克达克来说, 他想用他的钱游泳, |
| 74 | that would be like a self-sustaining motivation. | 这就像一个自我维持的动机。 |
| 75 | But somebody even like a Warren Buffett, at the end of the day, it money means something to him. | 但某人甚至像沃伦·巴菲特, 在一天结束时, 它意味着他的东西。 |
| 76 | And it's the thing that it means that drives him. | 而其意为驱使他. |
| 77 | It isn't the money in and of itself. | 这不是钱本身。 |
| 78 | And the problem was I was literally chasing money in and of itself. | 问题是,我其实在追钱 |
| 79 | Yeah. And it's fascinating to see someone. | 对 见到一个人也很有趣 |
| 80 | And this I know about you to be reflective enough and aware enough to be OK to switch, | 我了解你 足够反省 足够清楚 足够可以切换 |
| 81 | because I think the sunk cost bias in us, the part of us that's just so invested and has built success with that mindset to some degree. | 因为我认为沉没会给我们带来一定的代价, 也就是我们中那些投资如此巨大的部分, 并且在某种程度上用这种心态建立了成功。 |
| 82 | But actually, your success didn't come from that mindset. | 但实际上,你的成功并非来自于这种心态。 |
| 83 | It came from switching away from it. | 是从切换过来的 |
| 84 | It came from, yeah, a willingness always to switch. | 它来自,是的,一个意愿 总是切换。 |
| 85 | So I heard a quote one time and it so terrifies me. | 所以有一次我听到一个引言 让我很害怕 |
| 86 | This, in fact, over a long enough time period, people are going to hear this quote for me so many times because seriously, man, I'm not joking. | 事实上,在足够长的时间里 人们会为我听到这么多次这段话 因为真的,伙计,我不是在开玩笑 |
| 87 | This scares me. | 这让我害怕。 |
| 88 | And it scares me enough that it it has a daily place in my life. | 它足以让我害怕 它每天在我的生活中占有一个位置 |
| 89 | And that is genius is a young man's game. | 这是天才的游戏 |
| 90 | And when I heard that quote, I thought, whoa, the one thing that all of us touch for the briefest of moments is youth. | 当我听到这段话时,我想,哇, 我们所有人最简短的时刻 触摸到的一件事,就是青春。 |
| 91 | And if you're lucky, what you'll get is a whole lot of middle age and then some old age. | 如果你幸运的话,你会得到的 是一大堆中年,然后一些老年。 |
| 92 | But you don't get a lot of youth. | 但你没有多少青春。 |
| 93 | And so I just thought, ooh, that's really scary. | 所以我想,哦,这真的很可怕。 |
| 94 | And they were basing it on the number of people that win Nobel prizes. | 他们依据的是获得诺贝尔奖的人数。 |
| 95 | It's almost always for work they did in their 20s and 30s, almost always. | 这几乎总是为他们20到30岁的工作,几乎总是. |
| 96 | And I thought, oh, I don't like that. | 我想,哦, 我不喜欢这样。 |
| 97 | And so looking at why that and the reason I guess this is important to say the reason that I didn't like it was I felt that my youth was really whipping by and I hadn't accomplished the things that I wanted to accomplish. | 所以,看为什么,我猜这很重要 来说明为什么我不喜欢, 我觉得我的青春真的被鞭打, 我没有完成我想要完成的事情。 |
| 98 | So if I'm my youth is wishing by me, how do I make sure that I can access genius at any time that I'm on a genius shorthand for like playing at the absolute best of your game and really changing things like really having an impact? | 所以如果我的青春是希望得到我, 我怎样才能确保我随时能接触到天才, 因为我是一个天才的短手, 喜欢玩你游戏的绝对最佳, 和真正改变的事情 像真的有影响吗? |
| 99 | And this is one thing I think you and I share like no bullshit. | 这是我和你分享的一件事,就像没有废话。 |
| 100 | I want to have impact on the world. | 我想对世界产生影响 |
| 101 | So if I just wanted to be rich, Lisa and I would have bought an island and retired years ago. | 所以,如果我想发财,丽莎和我早就买下一个岛 并且退休了多年。 |
| 102 | So clearly there's something more that's motivating me and that thing is impact and really touching lives. | 很明显还有更能激励我的东西, 它就是影响和真正触动生命。 |
| 103 | So it's like wanting to be able to do that. | 故如来欲能成就. |
| 104 | I don't want to say, well, I had this brief window in my youth and either did or didn't make use of it. | 我不想说,嗯,我有一个短暂的窗口 在我年轻的时候, 或做或不使用它。 |
| 105 | But even if I did, I don't want the rest of my life to be looking back on that. | 但即使我做到了,我不想我的余生 回头看这一点。 |
| 106 | So another quote that drives me, your future should always be bigger than your past. | 因此,另一个引言 驱动我,你的未来 应该永远比你的过去。 |
| 107 | So all right, you've got genius is a young man's game and a personal belief of mine that you should always be looking towards doing something more than you've ever done. | 所以,你有一个天才是一个年轻人的游戏,也是我个人的信念,你应该永远期待做一些比以往更多的事情. |
| 108 | And so you put those two together and I just knew I had to solve for that problem. | 于是你把这两个组合起来,我知道我必须解决这个问题。 |
| 109 | And the only solution that I have for it is switching things up, like you said, to live at the edges. | 我唯一能解决的方法就是 改变事物,就像你说的, 生活在边缘。 |
| 110 | And the same book was talking about the people that do end up getting either multiple Nobel prizes or prizes for work. | 同一本书也谈到了那些 最终获得多个诺贝尔奖或工作奖的人。 |
| 111 | They did later is it's people that would routinely change so that they would have these two overlapping areas. | 他们后来就做了,是人们会例行改变, 这样他们就会有这两个重叠的领域。 |
| 112 | So like chemistry and physics and like where those two meet, like there's new discoveries and new ways to challenge your own thinking. | 所以像化学和物理 和他们见面的地方, 就像有新的发现 和新的方法挑战你自己的想法。 |
| 113 | And so always staying fresh, always challenging my own thinking, always looking at how am I wrong? | 所以总是保持新鲜, 总是挑战我自己的想法, 总是看我怎么错了? |
| 114 | Most people go into an endeavor with the confirmation bias. | 大部分人都在努力确认错误 |
| 115 | In fact, you just brought that up. | 事实上,你刚刚提起的。 |
| 116 | So it's like I'm so aware that by nature, like everybody, I just want to be told how right I am, how amazing the way that I'm thinking is and because it feels good. | 所以这就像我非常清楚, 自然,像每个人一样, 我只想被告知我是多么正确, 多么神奇的我的想法, 并且因为它感觉很好。 |
| 117 | Right. That feels awesome. | 对 这感觉真棒。 |
| 118 | But that's how I'm going to calcify into dogma. | 但我会这样把教条化 |
| 119 | That's how I'm going to be another statistic in the genius is a young man's game thing. | 天才的另一种统计就是年轻人的游戏 |
| 120 | So I'm just always looking for disconfirming evidence. | 所以我总是在寻找不可靠的证据 |
| 121 | I'm always encouraging people. | 我总是鼓励人们。 |
| 122 | In fact, there's a part of every Monday team meeting at Impact Theory where it's take a minute and not just me, but take a minute and point out anything in the company that's going wrong so that we can address it. | 事实上,每个星期一在影响论的团队会议中都有一部分需要一分钟时间,而不只是我,而是需要一分钟时间来指出公司中任何出错之处,以便我们能够解决这个问题. |
| 123 | We call it principles from Ray Dalio's book, and that is so instructive to get that like raw feedback and quite frankly, sometimes just naked criticism about where you are so that you can get rid of a blind spot. | 我们把它称为雷·达里奥书中的原则, 而这非常有启发性 来获得原始的反馈, 和相当坦率的,有时只是赤裸裸的批评 你在哪里, 这样你就可以摆脱一个盲点。 |
| 124 | Oh, I like that. | 我喜欢这样 |
| 125 | I'm going to ask you to do that for me. | 请师为我作么生. |
| 126 | It's super important. | 这很重要 |
| 127 | So this is really interesting. | 所以这真的很有趣。 |
| 128 | And I don't know the structures of your interviews well enough to know if this tangent will pay off. | 我不知道你们面试的结构 足以知道这名正人君子是否还清 |
| 129 | But like just talking to you now as a friend, if we can get to that place where because you and I share a very similar vision of who we want to be. | 但就像现在以朋友的身份和你说话一样 如果我们能到那个地方 因为我们对我们希望成为什么样的人有着非常相似的看法 |
| 130 | And I don't know if you're talking publicly about what you told me before we started rolling. | 我不知道你是否在公开谈论 在我们开始拍摄之前你告诉我的事 |
| 131 | So I won't say it. | 所以我不会说。 |
| 132 | But your vision of where you want to go and the type of person you want to become is so extraordinary. | 但你对自己想去的地方 以及你想要成为什么样的人的想法 实在太不寻常了 |
| 133 | And I promise nobody gets it. | 我保证没有人会得到它。 |
| 134 | I have the chills. | 我有点冷 |
| 135 | So like that's going to be really cool. | 所以,像这是会 真的很酷。 |
| 136 | And I have a similar sort of big vision of who I'm trying to become. | 我对我想成为什么样的人也有类似的大见解。 |
| 137 | And I don't think anybody really understands about me either. | 而且我也不认为有人真的了解我 |
| 138 | And so if you can find somebody high level who has a desire to push and progress themselves that you can get to really no bullshit, give you that kind of feedback is so powerful. | 所以,如果你能找到一个高层次的人, 他渴望推动和进步自己, 你可以得到真正的没有废话, 给你这种反馈 是如此强大。 |
| 139 | And when people say that your network is your net worth, that's partly what they mean is like, oh, who you know, it's not what you know. | 当人们说 你的网络是你的净值, 这部分是他们的意思 是,哦,你知道,这不是你知道的。 |
| 140 | So, you know, that's part of it for sure. | 所以,你知道,这是它的一部分是肯定的。 |
| 141 | And that's valuable. | 这是有价值的。 |
| 142 | But the other part is like, well, if you have people in your network that know something you don't and can tell you and you can hear it, that will be life changing. | 但另一部分是,嗯,如果你的网络里有人 知道一些你不知道的事情, 你可以告诉你,你可以听到, 那将会改变生活。 |
| 143 | Yeah. So, man, I'll take that. | 对 所以,伙计,我要这个。 |
| 144 | Like if if you're sincere, you can you can sign me up. | 就像如果你是真诚的, 你可以签我。 |
| 145 | I'm being serious, man. | 我是认真的,伙计。 |
| 146 | I think I think we all need it. | 我觉得我们都需要 |
| 147 | And like you're saying, it just gets harder and harder and harder as you go on. | 就像你说的,它只是越来越难 越来越难,当你继续。 |
| 148 | I was just saying the other day to someone and my structure with these podcasts for me really is to have a conversation beyond an interview. | 那天我刚跟别人说 我和播客的谈话 是在采访之后再谈 |
| 149 | Because I learned so much more when I'm just hanging. | 因为我在绞刑的时候学到了更多 |
| 150 | And actually, that's when I have the best conversations and I have a format. | 事实上,这时,我有一个最好的对话,我有一个格式。 |
| 151 | I have my questions. | 我有我的问题。 |
| 152 | I know you well enough of research, but I'm like, I want to go beyond structure. | 我对你的研究很了解 但我想超越结构 |
| 153 | I love flow state. | 我喜欢流动状态 |
| 154 | My videos are created in flow state. | 我的视频是在流程状态下创建的. |
| 155 | I'm fascinated by when I go beyond checking and filtering everything that I'm saying and hearing and trying to match everything you say with what I've read a million times, because that, again, is giving me confirmation bias. | 我很着迷,当我超越 检查和过滤我所说的一切 和听力, 并试图匹配你所说的一切 我读了无数次, 因为,这再次给了我确认偏差。 |
| 156 | How am I able to kind of take all that away and hear from you differently and not judge or filter everything you say and box everything you say and learn more from it? | 我怎么能拿走所有的东西 听到你不同的声音 而不是判断或过滤你所说的一切 装箱你所说的一切 从中吸取更多的教训? |
| 157 | So, I mean, that that really is not a quote when you've been sharing two quotes. | 所以,我的意思是,这真的不是一个引言 当你一直在分享两个引言。 |
| 158 | The first quote that did come to my mind, which I've never said to myself, so I'm going to share it is, you know, youth is wasted on the young. | 我第一次想到的,我从未对自己说过, 所以我要分享的是,你知道, 年轻人被浪费在年轻人身上。 |
| 159 | Like we hear that, too. | 就像我们听到的一样 |
| 160 | We hear that, too, at the same time, which totally goes against the genius one you spoke about. | 我们也听到了,同时, 这完全违背了你所说的天才。 |
| 161 | Yeah, well, that one is coming from a very specific place as somebody who's older, right? | 是啊,嗯,那一个来自 一个非常具体的地方 作为一个人的年长,对不对? |
| 162 | It is the the exact parallel to somebody saying I've got all this wisdom now, but I've lost the benefits of youth. | 这与有人说我现在有这些智慧 完全相似,但我失去了青春的好处。 |
| 163 | You know, not exactly a catchy quote, but like that's that's the sentiment that it's coming from. | 你知道,不完全 令人印象深刻的引言, 但就像这就是它的情绪 它来自。 |
| 164 | You know what I mean? It's like and I do feel that way. | 你知道我的意思吗? 就像我确实有这种感觉 |
| 165 | Like, you know, I'm looking at Johnny here. | 就像,你知道,我看着约翰尼在这里。 |
| 166 | Johnny's 20 years old. | 约翰尼20岁了 |
| 167 | And I think, oh, my God, if I had and really what I mean there is there are not only physical things you can get away with when you're younger. | 我想,哦,我的上帝, 如果我有,而且真的我的意思是, 不只是身体上的东西,你可以逃脱 当你年轻的时候。 |
| 168 | Look, I'm young enough and I've really focused on staying in shape, so I don't have a lot of deleterious effects of getting older. | 你看,我还年轻,而且我真的很专注于保持体型, 所以我没有太多的有害影响 变老。 |
| 169 | But if I had that period of my life where being poor doesn't matter and nobody is like holding it against you like he can walk into a meeting and what people are going to be thinking about is, | 但是如果我有我生命中的那段时期 穷困并不重要 没有人会像抱着它来对付你 就像他可以走进一个会议 和人们会想的是, |
| 170 | oh, is this the next young Turk, right? | 哦,这是下一个年轻的土耳其人,对不对? |
| 171 | They forgive everything else. | 他们原谅了一切 |
| 172 | But if I walk in, you know, at 42 with like the same level of accomplishment or whatever, they think, OK, well, if he's not married now, there's something wrong with him, right? | 但是,如果我走进来,你知道,42 与像 同一水平的成就或什么, 他们认为,好吧,好吧,如果 如果他现在没有结婚, 他有什么问题,对不对? |
| 173 | The old adage. | 旧格言. |
| 174 | So it's like there's just the world perceives you very differently. | 所以这就像有 只是世界 对你的看法非常不同。 |
| 175 | And so I think it's a it's a fair comment. | 所以我认为这是一个公平的评论。 |
| 176 | Like he he honestly like he's in a better position because he's that impact theory. | 像他一样,他诚实地喜欢 他处于一个更好的位置 因为他是撞击理论。 |
| 177 | So I'm hoping it helps. | 所以我希望它有帮助。 |
| 178 | But like he doesn't have the context, you know what I mean, to really know where he's at in his life, what to do. | 但是,就像他没有背景,你知道我的意思, 真正知道他在哪里 在他的生活,怎么办。 |
| 179 | Like the fact that he and I both dyed our hair ridiculous colors at almost exactly the same age. | 就像他和我都染了 几乎完全相同的发型 |
| 180 | It's like there's just this predictable in that experimentation phase where he's trying to figure out who he is and make some noise and like establish that. | 就像在实验阶段有这种可预见性 他试图找出自己是谁 并制造一些噪音 并证明这一点 |
| 181 | So now imagine you're already done with all that. | 所以,现在想象你已经 结束了这一切。 |
| 182 | Now you're deep wisdom. | 现汝深智. |
| 183 | Now you're like making impact. | 现在,你喜欢做撞击。 |
| 184 | How do I make this change? | 我该怎么改变? |
| 185 | I've spent decades of my life working on myself and I'm still 20 like that would just be an intense game. | 我花了几十年时间在自己身上工作 我仍然有20岁 这样只会是一个激烈的游戏 |
| 186 | It would that I would love to play. | 我很乐意玩 |
| 187 | It would. | 会的 |
| 188 | But I feel like you're still playing it now. | 但我觉得你现在还在玩 |
| 189 | I am in some in some instances. | 有些时候我也是 |
| 190 | And this is interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 191 | So here's anybody that knows me that's followed my content knows I plan to live forever. | 因此,这里的任何人谁知道我 谁跟着我的内容知道我计划 永生。 |
| 192 | And so I emphasize the word plan because one, I know that it's not going to happen by accident. | 所以,我强调这个词的计划,因为一个,我知道它不会是偶然发生的。 |
| 193 | I'm not doing anything to make the medical breakthroughs that are going to be necessary. | 我不会做任何事情来取得医学上的突破 这将是必要的。 |
| 194 | So right now I am without question on a collision course with death. | 所以,现在我毫无疑问 与死亡相撞。 |
| 195 | And I know that I'm aware of that. | 我知道我知道这一点。 |
| 196 | But also at the same time I'm structuring my life so that I'm never thinking oh I only have so many years left. | 但与此同时,我正在构建我的人生 这样我就不会想到 哦,我只剩下这么多年了。 |
| 197 | I always think about what's the like biggest impact that I could have on others and myself. | 我总是在想 我对其他人和我自己最大的影响 |
| 198 | I want to for sure have impact positive impact on myself as well. | 我当然也想对我自己产生积极影响。 |
| 199 | And so I'm looking at it through that lens and not through the lens of my age which is very tempting. | 所以我通过镜头来看待它, 而不是通过我这个年龄的镜头来看待它, 这非常诱人。 |
| 200 | And so I'm you know I constantly issue that. | 所以我要你知道我一直发行这个 |
| 201 | But the thing that's conflicting is everyone is delusional about death. | 但矛盾的是每个人都对死亡抱有妄想. |
| 202 | And we either obsess over it too much and it feels too eminent or you get people like me who deny it so completely that it doesn't at all influence their day to day. | 我们要么过于执着于它 要么觉得它太显赫 要么你得到像我这样的人 谁否认它如此彻底 以至于它根本不影响他们的日常。 |
| 203 | And I do worry sometimes that I have so pushed death off as a reality that I may be blind in the moment to a truth that could be useful. | 我有时会担心 我如此推倒死亡 成为一个现实 我可能眼睁睁看着一个可能有用的事实 |
| 204 | And so I'm constantly again looking for disconfirming evidence. | 所以我一直在寻找无法确认的证据 |
| 205 | I'm constantly checking that to see like how much of this is fear of death and just pure delusion and how much of this is really useful. | 我不停地检查一下,看看这里面有多少是 害怕死亡和纯粹的妄想, 以及这里面有多少是真正有用的。 |
| 206 | And I try to stay deep into useful territory by reminding myself I could have an aneurysm before the end of this podcast and be dead and that's real. | 我试着深入到有用的领域, 提醒自己,在这个播客结束前,我可能会有动脉瘤, 死亡,这是真实的。 |
| 207 | With but don't think short sighted you know otherwise I would just go eat some ice cream and call it a day. | 但不要认为短视 你知道,否则我会 只是吃一些冰淇淋 并收工一天。 |
| 208 | But you know to really invest. | 但你知道真的投资。 |
| 209 | Yeah absolutely and anyone who's listening to this podcast right now I hope you're enjoying it because if you want to know about Tom being an entrepreneur you can go and find that online. | 是啊,任何人谁在听这个播客 现在,我希望你喜欢它 因为如果你想知道 汤姆是一个企业家,你可以去 在网上找到它。 |
| 210 | If you want to hear about Tom learning about how he got funding and how he built a business and how he built a strategy you can go find that online. | 如果你想知道汤姆如何获得资金 如何建立企业 以及如何制定策略 你就可以在网上找到 |
| 211 | My role here is to be the monk that I am and speak to Tom beyond all of that. | 我在这里的角色是做一个修道士, 和汤姆说话 超越这一切。 |
| 212 | Being a friend of Tom's I hope I could say that aggressively being a friend of Tom's. | 作为汤姆的朋友,我希望我可以说, 作为汤姆的朋友。 |
| 213 | My time with Tom has shown me that he is an entrepreneur extremely successful entrepreneur more than millions of people will ever be. | 我和汤姆在一起的时间告诉我, 他是一个企业家 极其成功的企业家 超过数百万人将永远。 |
| 214 | But beyond that he has so much more to offer. | 但除此之外,他还有许多事情要做。 |
| 215 | You're a real visionary. | 你真是个有远见的人 |
| 216 | You really push the boundaries you yourself study is on an insane level. | 你真的把自己研究的界限 推到了疯狂的地步 |
| 217 | And I want that to come out like that's what I want people to hear about and I can hear it already. | 我想让大家知道这一点,我已经听到了。 |
| 218 | And that's what I'm excited for people to know you as because to me that's that why that's that pillar. | 我很高兴人们认识你 因为对我来说这就是为什么这就是支柱 |
| 219 | That's what's built everything else that's coming from you. | 由此造化一切众生从汝所生. |
| 220 | So for sure so far so good. | 所以到目前为止肯定很好 |
| 221 | And I really want to be the poster child for changeability and a large part of that is because I really just as sort of like the raw materials. | 我真的很想做一个可改变性的海报孩子 大部分是因为我和原材料一样 |
| 222 | I was not voted most likely to succeed. | 我没有被投票 极有可能成功。 |
| 223 | My own mother quietly assumed I was going to fail when I went to college. | 我母亲悄悄地以为我上大学时会失败 |
| 224 | She later confessed that when I finally asked her you know you all but kicked me out of the nest when I was 18 and have spent every day since trying to claw me back. | 她后来坦白说,当我最后问她的时候... ...你们都知道... ...我18岁的时候就把我赶出了巢穴... ...自从试图把我抓回来以来,每天都在度过 |
| 225 | Like why did you encourage me to leave? | 像为什么你鼓励我离开? |
| 226 | And she was like oh I just assumed you were going to fail. | 她就像我刚刚以为 你会失败。 |
| 227 | And the way she said it was like totally devoid of malice. | 而她说的方式 就像是完全没有恶意。 |
| 228 | It was literally just like I didn't want you to wonder what if it was self evident to me that you were going to fail. | 就像我不想你想知道 如果自我证明你会失败一样 |
| 229 | And it was that like this notion that it was just self evident and it was self evident because I was so lazy. | 就像这个概念,它只是自我明显, 自我明显,因为我是如此懒惰。 |
| 230 | And so everybody looks at me and I'm sort of the walking after picture from an entrepreneur standpoint and there's no way to show a compelling before picture. | 所以大家都看着我,我从企业家的角度 来回走动,没有办法在照片之前展示一个令人信服的画面。 |
| 231 | And so everyone so I was on on a podcast not too long ago James Altucher and it was really fun by the way I really enjoyed my time with him. | 所以每个人 所以我在播客 不久前詹姆斯·阿尔图彻, 这真的很有趣,因为 我真的很享受我和他在一起的时间。 |
| 232 | But his conclusion was Tom you're just smarter than you think you are or smarter than you're willing to admit or whatever. | 但是他的结论是汤姆... ...你比你想象的聪明... ...或者比你愿意承认的聪明 |
| 233 | And I had to laugh because I'm like this is where everybody goes. | 我不得不笑 因为我喜欢这里是大家去的地方。 |
| 234 | They try to make me special instead of going oh that's how much humans can change. | 他们试图让我特别,而不是去 哦,这是多少人类可以改变。 |
| 235 | And when it when it comes to muscle people get it right when you can show somebody they have no muscle one year and then you know ten years later they don't look like the same species they put on so much muscle. | 当涉及到肌肉时,人们会正确, 当你可以显示一个人,他们一年没有肌肉, 然后,你知道十年后,他们看起来不像是 他们给这么多肌肉的物种。 |
| 236 | And all I'm saying is the same thing is true of the brain and you can make the same kind of radical transformations and still be the same underlying person. | 我想说的是,大脑也是一样, 你可以做同样的激进的转变, 并且仍然是同一个人。 |
| 237 | And this all comes back to epigenetic change. | 而这一切又回到了内在变化。 |
| 238 | The reason that humans are the apex predator is because of our ability to adapt. | 人类之所以成为顶级捕食者 是因为我们的适应能力 |
| 239 | That's it. | 就这样 |
| 240 | Like our DNA when they first sequenced human the human genome they thought they'd find some extraordinary amount of gene encoding or trait encoding genes. | 就像我们的DNA 当他们第一次给人类基因组测序时 他们以为会发现一些异常数量 的基因编码或特质编码基因。 |
| 241 | And what they found was there were only twenty thousand. | 他们发现的只有两万 |
| 242 | And so they're like OK we have onions that have forty thousand. | 所以他们就像OK 我们有4万块的洋葱。 |
| 243 | So are we really supposed to believe that an onion is twice as biologically complicated as a human. | 我们真的应该相信 洋葱比人类的生物复杂两倍 |
| 244 | It just doesn't make sense. | 这根本说不通 |
| 245 | They were like well there is all this junk DNA but it doesn't seem to do anything. | 他们就像有这些垃圾DNA 但似乎没有做任何事情。 |
| 246 | And of course whenever scientists say that flash forward five or ten years and suddenly they figure out what it actually does. | 当然,每当科学家说那闪光 向前5或10年, 突然他们就会知道它实际上做了什么。 |
| 247 | And that's epigenetic signaling. | 并且这是遗传信号。 |
| 248 | So we have all these genes all they do is tell our other genes how much to express based on what's happening in our environment. | 因此,我们拥有所有这些基因 他们所做的就是告诉我们的其他基因 根据我们环境中发生的事情 表达多少。 |
| 249 | And so the brain is as prone to those radical changes as is the body. | 所以大脑和身体一样容易发生剧烈的变化。 |
| 250 | And so to avoid falling into a depression after a failure I'll just shorthand all of you know a very long story. | 为了避免在失败后陷入萧条,我只简略地说你们都知道一个很长的故事。 |
| 251 | But in film school my final senior thesis which was like a miracle that I got chosen to do it. | 但在电影学院,我最后的高级论文 就像是一个奇迹 我被选中去做。 |
| 252 | It was like I beat all these odds and I thought it was the shit and I just thought I was winning and better than everybody. | 就像我击败了所有的机会,我认为这是狗屎, 我只是认为我赢了,比每个人都好。 |
| 253 | And then I failed and realized oh actually the reason I failed was because I don't have talent. | 然后,我失败了,意识到 哦,实际上我失败的原因是 我没有天赋。 |
| 254 | Now for most people and myself included at the moment that I had that realization that was for me a permanent state. | 对大多数人和我本人来说, 在我意识到对我来说是一个永久的国家的时候。 |
| 255 | I have no talent because I am talentless. | 我没有天赋 因为我是无才华的 |
| 256 | I will always be without talent. | 我永远没有天赋 |
| 257 | And so I started sliding towards depression because I had no idea where my life was going to go. | 于是我开始滑向抑郁, 因为我不知道我的生活会走向何处。 |
| 258 | I had this vision of me as a filmmaker and now it was just dead. | 我以电影制片人的身份看待我 现在它死了 |
| 259 | And so I was like whoa what do I do with that. | 所以我想,哇,我该怎么办。 |
| 260 | And as a part of this I don't even remember how I stumbled upon it but I started reading about the brain. | 作为其中的一部分,我甚至不记得我是如何偶然发现的 但我开始读到大脑。 |
| 261 | And in reading about the brain I realized oh there's this hotly debated this late 90s there's this hotly debated notion of brain plasticity. | 在读到大脑的时候,我意识到 90年代后期有一场激烈的辩论 是关于大脑可塑性的热烈辩论 |
| 262 | Can the brain change the way the body does. | 大脑能改变身体的方式吗? |
| 263 | And I was like I choose to believe it can. | 我就像我选择相信它可以。 |
| 264 | And I don't know that I'm right but it just thinking that I could get better lifted that dark cloud that had set it over my life. | 我不知道我是对的,但它只是认为 我可以更好地升起 黑暗的云朵,它已经设置在我的生命。 |
| 265 | And at the time I was teaching and so as I'm teaching I realized well I can help the students make better films. | 当我在教书时,我意识到我可以帮助学生 制作更好的电影。 |
| 266 | And if I can help them why can't I help myself. | 如果我能帮助他们 为什么我不能帮助自己。 |
| 267 | And so that is the seed that gets planted that turns into me going into entrepreneurship and self development and all of that stuff. | 这就是种下的种子, 变成我进入创业和自我发展, 以及所有的东西。 |
| 268 | And really making just massive radical changes in my life. | 真正地使我的生活发生了巨大的急剧变化。 |
| 269 | Absolutely. Yeah we start making permanent decisions based on temporary feelings. | 当然 是的,我们开始做永久性的决定 基于暂时的感情。 |
| 270 | And we slot it in and we think it won't change. | 我们把它插进去,我们认为它不会改变。 |
| 271 | And I'm so glad you went there because I don't think people know this because you're always interviewing everyone. | 我很高兴你去那里 因为我不认为人们知道这一点 因为你总是采访每个人。 |
| 272 | The thing is that you have so much studied and read neuroscience and about the brain. | 问题是,你对神经科学 和大脑的研究和阅读太多了。 |
| 273 | And you can talk about it from a really educated standpoint. | 你可以从受过教育的角度来谈论这个问题。 |
| 274 | Which wasn't always the case obviously as we've just found out. | 很明显,我们刚刚才发现的 情况并非如此 |
| 275 | What's the latest thing that you've been reading or heard or something that's kind of stuck with you from that background where you've just been like this is what I'm testing right now. | 你读过或听到的最新的东西是什么? 或者一些你从这个背景 一直被你缠住的东西? |
| 276 | This is what I'm experimenting with. | 这就是我的实验 |
| 277 | Yeah so the thing that I recently came across that is shocking is not going to be news to a lot of people. | 是啊,所以我最近遇到的事情 是令人震惊的 是不会成为新闻 很多人。 |
| 278 | But have you read Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life. | 你读过乔丹·彼得森的12条生活规则吗? |
| 279 | Absolutely extraordinary book. | 绝对非凡的书。 |
| 280 | His book Maps of Meaning is actually even more impactful. | 他的"意义地图"一书实际上更具影响力. |
| 281 | But it's dense. | 却稠密. |
| 282 | But when he talked about lobsters and how the serotonin system is present in lobsters it's like getting people to understand because here's the other thing that people will mistake in my belief system. | 但是当他谈到龙虾时 血清素系统是如何存在于龙虾体内的 就像是让人们理解一样 因为还有一件事人们会误解我的信仰系统 |
| 283 | They think what I'm saying is humans are just blank slates. | 他们认为我是说人类只是空洞的板块 |
| 284 | 我们没有 We're not. | |
| 285 | I wish we were. | 我希望我们是。 |
| 286 | That would be so much more interesting to me that we're literally blank and you can just paint anything you want on that canvas. | 那会让我更感兴趣 以至于我们完全空白 你可以在画布上画任何你想画的东西 |
| 287 | It's not like that. | 不是那样的 |
| 288 | But it is like using the body as a metaphor. | 但这就像用身体作比喻。 |
| 289 | It is like the person who weighs 135 pounds soaking wet and then they become a 250 pound just muscled out strong as an ox beast like that level of transformation is very real. | 就像一个重135磅的人湿透了 然后他们就变成了250磅的牛一样强壮的动物 |
| 290 | And so getting into that and realizing how innate some of these things are. | 所以,进入这个过程, 并意识到这些东西的内在性质。 |
| 291 | And so some things aren't about changing or overcoming. | 所以有些事情不是改变或克服。 |
| 292 | It's about leveraging. | 这是关于杠杆。 |
| 293 | And so once you realize some things are a game of change, some things are a game of leverage. | 所以,一旦你意识到有些事情是变迁的游戏, 有些事情是杠杆的游戏。 |
| 294 | And so leveraging the serotonin system, for instance, or here's one of my favorite things about neuroscience. | 比如说利用血清素系统 或者是我最喜欢的神经科学 |
| 295 | This literally changed my life. | 这真的改变了我的生活。 |
| 296 | This affected my marriage. | 这影响了我的婚姻。 |
| 297 | And when I give people the answer, Jay, they're going to think this is so dumb. | 当我给人们答案,杰伊, 他们会认为这太蠢了。 |
| 298 | But I'm talking to the six of you out there right now who are actually going to do this. | 但我现在要跟你们六个人谈谈 他们真的要这么做 |
| 299 | It will change their life, dude. | 这将改变他们的生活,伙计。 |
| 300 | You ready? | 你准备好了吗? |
| 301 | I'm ready. | 我准备好了 |
| 302 | When you take on a facial expression, you will feel the emotion no matter what, whether you want to or not, you will. | 当你接受面部表情时,无论你是否愿意,你都会感受到情感。 |
| 303 | And when I realized that the brain in the body or any feedback loop, meaning that the brain gets as much information. | 当我意识到大脑在体内 或任何反馈循环, 意味着大脑得到同样多的信息。 |
| 304 | So the vagus nerve, I think 82% of the signals running on the vagus nerve, which is the biggest nerve in your body, 82% is your body speaking to your brain, not your brain telling your body to do something. | 因此,Vagus神经, 我认为82%的信号运行在Vagus神经上, 这是你体内最大的神经, 82%是你的身体对你的大脑说话,而不是你的大脑告诉你的身体做什么。 |
| 305 | Your body telling your brain what's up, how to feel, sending signals that end up influencing massive amounts of both conscious and subconscious behavior. | 你的身体告诉你的大脑是什么, 如何感受, 发出信号 最终影响大量的 意识和潜意识行为。 |
| 306 | So it is truly a loop. | 因此,它是一个真正的循环。 |
| 307 | So I used to I don't get angry easily. | 所以我以前不轻易生气 |
| 308 | And this actually used to really wind my wife up and or I should say, but when I did get angry, I would stay angry. | 这其实是让我妻子生气 或者我应该说 但当我生气时 我会一直生气 |
| 309 | So it'd be like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. | 故能如虚空如虚空如虚空如虚空. |
| 310 | Boom. | |
| 311 | Now I'm pissed and now I'm going to be pissed for the next eight hours or a day or two days or God, there were times I'd be mad for like three days. | 现在,我生气了,现在我要生气 接下来的八小时或一天或两天,或上帝, 有的时候我会生气,就像三天。 |
| 312 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 313 | And I thought it's funny. | 我觉得这很有趣 |
| 314 | I've never once come out of one of those periods and thought, you know what? | 我从来没有从那些时期出来 想,你知道吗? |
| 315 | I'm glad I was mad that long. | 我很高兴我疯了这么久。 |
| 316 | That was a great use of a Saturday with my wife. | 周六和我妻子在一起很有用处 |
| 317 | This is really just a smart way of living. | 这真的是一种聪明的生活方式。 |
| 318 | Every time I came out and thought this was moronic, I don't know what you're doing. | 每次我出来都觉得这很蠢 我不知道你在做什么 |
| 319 | You're wasting your time. | 你在浪费时间 |
| 320 | So I had read this study that said if you hold a pencil in your mouth and then have somebody which sort of forces you into almost a smile and then have people rate their levels of happiness, they'll rate it higher. | 所以,我读过这个研究, 说如果你把铅笔放在嘴里, 然后让某个人强迫你几乎微笑, 然后让人们把幸福程度定得更高, 他们会把它定得更高。 |
| 321 | And I thought that can't be true. | 我以为这不是真的 |
| 322 | And so the study goes on to talk about getting people to laugh out loud and all this stuff. | 研究会继续谈论让人们大笑 和所有这些东西。 |
| 323 | And I thought, OK, I'm going to try it. | 我想,好吧,我要试试。 |
| 324 | So I would force myself to laugh out loud and it would change my mood. | 所以我会逼自己大笑 这会改变我的心情 |
| 325 | Now, I felt stupid doing it for sure. | 现在,我感觉愚蠢 这样做肯定。 |
| 326 | And then but about like six seconds in, it's so dumb and so ridiculous. | 然后大概6秒内, 它是如此的愚蠢和可笑。 |
| 327 | And now you're getting that feedback loop that it actually becomes real and your mood lightens. | 而现在你得到的反馈循环, 它实际上变得真实, 你的心情会变轻。 |
| 328 | And so I wrote this letter to myself and I gave it to my wife to read to me if ever I was in a bad mood and she only had to read it to me once. | 所以我写了这封信给自己,我把它送给我妻子, 读给我听,如果我心情不好,她只需要读给我听一次。 |
| 329 | And it worked so profoundly that I realized I don't need somebody to read the letter because the notion of and the letter was basically because whenever you're in a fight with somebody and they try to soothe you, you reject that because you think, well, t | 它非常的有效,我意识到我不需要别人来读信 因为信的概念和意思基本上是 因为每当你和别人吵架时 他们试图安慰你的时候 你拒绝它是因为你认为 他们这样做只是因为他们对我做了错事 |
| 330 | I'm legitimate. | 我是正当的。 |
| 331 | I have a legitimate reason to be upset. | 我有理由生气 |
| 332 | They have an incentive, a perverse incentive to see me forgive it. | 他们有一个激励, 一个邪恶的激励 看到我原谅它。 |
| 333 | So I'm not going to forgive it. | 所以我不会原谅的 |
| 334 | This is real. | 这是真实的。 |
| 335 | And some deep recess of your brain, you feel it needs to be punished. | 大脑深处休息,你觉得需要惩罚 |
| 336 | And so in that mode, you won't believe what they say because they have motive. | 所以在那种模式下,你不会相信他们说的话,因为他们有动机。 |
| 337 | So I had to read this letter and it was like, hey, me. | 所以我不得不读这封信,就像,嘿,我。 |
| 338 | It's me. | 师曰是我. |
| 339 | You know, I have no motive in this. | 你知道,我没有这个动机。 |
| 340 | I want nothing other than when you're looking back on this for you to feel like you made the right decision. | 我只想让你觉得自己做了正确的决定 |
| 341 | And so what I want you to do right now is laugh out loud. | 所以现在我要你大笑一下 |
| 342 | That's it. | 就这样 |
| 343 | Just take 10 seconds. | 只要10秒钟。 |
| 344 | Laugh out loud. | 笑出声. |
| 345 | And at the end of that, you know, it's going to change your brain chemistry. | 最后,你知道,它会改变你的大脑化学。 |
| 346 | And I remember citing the study and I was like, you know, it'll work. | 我记得我引用了研究, 我当时想,你知道,它会起作用。 |
| 347 | So just do it. | 所以就做到这一点。 |
| 348 | And so she read it to me. | 她读给我听 |
| 349 | I laughed out loud. | 我笑了出来。 |
| 350 | I felt ridiculous. | 我觉得很可笑 |
| 351 | I didn't want to do it, by the way. | 顺便说一句,我不想这么做 |
| 352 | I did not want to laugh out loud. | 我不想大笑出来。 |
| 353 | But the code that I live by is, man, you always do that, which moves you towards your goals. | 但我所依赖的代码是,男人, 你总是这样做, 让你朝你的目标前进。 |
| 354 | I want to have an amazing marriage. | 我想有一个惊人的婚姻。 |
| 355 | So I did it. | 所以我就这么做了 |
| 356 | I laughed out loud and it changed my mood on a dime. | 我笑了出来,它改变了我的心情 一毛钱。 |
| 357 | And I was like, I can't believe this is real. | 我简直不敢相信这是真的 |
| 358 | So that like and it goes on and on. | 因此,它就像,它继续。 |
| 359 | If you've read V.S. Ramachandran. | 若读过V·S·拉玛尚德兰. |
| 360 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 361 | And also. | 还有 |
| 362 | Oh, my God. | 须菩提. |
| 363 | Karen. | 凯伦 |
| 364 | Just there are so many cool studies like that. | 只是有这么多 很酷的学习像这样。 |
| 365 | There was no punchline to that. | 根本就没有这个意思 |
| 366 | Just that if people haven't read him, he is extraordinary. | 只是,如果人们还没有读到他,他是非凡的。 |
| 367 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 368 | And I think it was only last year or a couple of years ago now where Harvard did their study | 我想是去年还是几年前 哈佛才开始研究 |
| 369 | on power poses. | 在权力的姿势。 |
| 370 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 371 | And they talked about if you stand like Superwoman or if you stand like Wonder Woman or if you | 他们谈论你站得像超级女人 或者你站得像神奇女人 或者你 |
| 372 | stand like Superman, then all of those things are going to boost your mood before an interview | 站得像超人,那么所有这些东西 在接受采访前都会激起你的情绪 |
| 373 | or before speaking to a stage of a thousand people or whatever it is. | 或者说在向千人或任何东西说话之前 |
| 374 | Do you want to get into the like the weeds of this? | 你想进入这样的草吗? |
| 375 | Let's do it. | 贡举志五种 上. |
| 376 | Purely. | 纯曰. |
| 377 | Let's do it. | 贡举志五种 上. |
| 378 | Experientially. | 以显义故. |
| 379 | Let's do it. | 贡举志五种 上. |
| 380 | I find if I'm feeling anxious and I try to do power posing, it makes me feel exposed. | 我发现,如果我感到焦虑,我试图做 权力姿势, 它让我感觉暴露。 |
| 381 | The reason when you have deep levels of anxiety that you close in, there's a protective mechanism. | 当你有深层次的焦虑,你关闭的原因, 有一个保护机制。 |
| 382 | But the emotional rewards you get is that you are safer. | 但你得到的情感回报是 你更安全。 |
| 383 | And I find in moments of like overwhelm or high stress, I want to be in small spaces. | 在压力过大或压力过大的时候 我想待在小空间里 |
| 384 | Nothing is more pleasant than sleep. | 没有比睡觉更舒服的了 |
| 385 | Like I sleep under a blanket fully under a blanket blanket wrapped up over my head. | 就像我睡在一条毯子下 被一条毯子包裹在我的头上 |
| 386 | There is nothing more comforting than that. | 没有比这更令人欣慰的了。 |
| 387 | So now what you have to do is train people to do that not right at the height of their | 所以,现在你必须做的是 训练人们这样做 不正确的在他们的高度 |
| 388 | vulnerability. | 脆弱性。 |
| 389 | This is me speculating, by the way, just like my gut instinct about having used some of | 顺便说一句,这是我的推测 就像我的直觉 已经使用了一些 |
| 390 | this because I have suffered from massive anxiety for years. | 因为多年来我一直极度焦虑 |
| 391 | And that one didn't serve me. | 而那个没有为我服务。 |
| 392 | But what did was to use that prior to remind myself to stand up straight or to remind | 但用它来提醒我站直或提醒我 |
| 393 | myself to do those poses so that I don't feel exposed when I'm in that posture. | 做这些姿势 这样我就不会感到暴露了 |
| 394 | So that when I'm anxious, that becomes something that soothes me rather than just makes me | 所以,当我感到焦虑, 成为的东西 安慰我而不是只是让我 |
| 395 | feel super vulnerable. | 感觉超级脆弱。 |
| 396 | But I find that that stuff and certainly end of one experimentation where you're just | 但我发现那些东西 肯定结束一个实验 在你只是 |
| 397 | running this stuff on yourself to see, you know, where are you? | 运行这些东西你自己看, 你知道,你在哪里? |
| 398 | Is it working for you or not? | 对你有用吗? |
| 399 | Like it may work for one person, but not for you. | 喜欢它可能为一个人工作,但不适合你。 |
| 400 | But yeah, there's really extraordinary stuff coming out on the brain. | 但是,是的,有 非常不寻常的东西 出在大脑。 |
| 401 | Pretty gnarly. | 不错 |
| 402 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 403 | And I love that you studied. | 我也喜欢你的学习 |
| 404 | I read one recently that that literally changed the way I work through everything. | 我最近读到一个,那 字面上改变了我的工作方式 通过一切。 |
| 405 | And luckily, I read it after I came on the show. | 幸运的是,我上节目后读过 |
| 406 | I probably read it in March or April of this year and then started really putting into | 我大概在今年三四月份读到的 然后开始真正投入 |
| 407 | practice, especially seeing as my content this year became so much more of a commitment | 特别是因为今年我的内容 变成了承诺 |
| 408 | than it's ever been. | 比以前更厉害 |
| 409 | It was the first time in my life we started making three videos a week and 12 videos a | 这是我生命中第一次 我们开始制作三个视频 每周12个视频 |
| 410 | month. | 一个月。 |
| 411 | And I read a study that said your brain, you can't physically be creative and logical at | 我读了一篇研究报告,其中说 你的大脑,你不能 身体上的创造力和逻辑 |
| 412 | the same time. | 同时。 |
| 413 | That's interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 414 | You can't be creative and logical at the same time. | 你不能同时有创意和逻辑. |
| 415 | And at the same time have a business meeting and conversation talk about your accounts | 同时有个商业会议和谈话 讨论你的账户 |
| 416 | or taxes or numbers or sales or whatever it is. | 或税收或数字 或销售 或它是什么。 |
| 417 | And I was like, that's really interesting because I felt that anytime I had done that | 我很喜欢,这真的很有趣 因为我觉得无论何时我这样做 |
| 418 | in the same day. | 在当天。 |
| 419 | So sometimes I'd go and I'm sure people listening go from being in a business meeting to then | 所以有时候我会去 我敢肯定,人们听 从一个商业会议到那时 |
| 420 | trying to write a script to then running back to another business meeting to then trying | 试图写一个脚本然后跑回另一个商务会议然后尝试 |
| 421 | to have like a creative time with their wife or partner or whatever it is or maybe play | 和她们的妻子或伴侣一起过着有创造力的时光 不管是什么 或者是玩耍 |
| 422 | an instrument. | 乐器。 |
| 423 | And I used to find that I could do it for some time, but then you start seeing burnout. | 我曾经发现我可以做一段时间, 但你开始看到燃烧。 |
| 424 | And what's basically happened is you're just stretching your ability and you're stressing | 基本上发生的事情是 你只是伸展你的能力 你在强调 |
| 425 | yourself out and you're just getting tired. | 自己出来,你只是累了。 |
| 426 | If you are pulling it off right now and you're going, Jay, you're talking nonsense. | 如果你现在把它拉下来,你要去,杰伊,你在胡说八道。 |
| 427 | Basically, you're just getting tired and eventually you'll run out. | 基本上,你只是累了,最终你会耗尽。 |
| 428 | So what I started to do is I started to have creative weeks, but I would be creative for | 所以,我开始做的是 我开始有创造性的几个星期, 但我会创造性的为 |
| 429 | a whole seven days and that would allow me to go so deep into my creativity. | 整整七天 这样我就能深入我的创造力 |
| 430 | I wrote some of my best video scripts at that time. | 当时我写了一些我最好的视频剧本. |
| 431 | I got immersed in my creativity and how I could really deliver the message better. | 我沉浸在我的创造力 以及如何更好地传达信息。 |
| 432 | And I was able to accelerate my creativity. | 我能够加速我的创造力。 |
| 433 | And then for the rest of the month, I'd just be in networking events. | 接下来的一个月里,我只参加网络活动。 |
| 434 | I'd just be in business meetings. | 我只是在商业会议上。 |
| 435 | I'd just be connecting with people and it just lifted me. | 我只是和别人联系,它把我抬起来。 |
| 436 | It just completely took off the the creativity ever feeling like a burden or weight and let | 它完全摆脱了创造力 永远感觉像负担或体重 |
| 437 | me just be creative. | 我只是有创意。 |
| 438 | And I was sharing that with a lot of creators recently been going through mental health | 我和很多创造者分享了最近 精神健康状况 |
| 439 | or burdens or whatever it may be. | 或负担或任何可能。 |
| 440 | So to be anyone who's doing something creative on a regular basis, I highly recommend testing | 所以,对于任何经常做创造性工作的人, 我强烈建议测试 |
| 441 | it. | 这个 |
| 442 | That's really interesting. | 这真的很有趣。 |
| 443 | So right now, obviously, there are two sides to my life. | 所以现在,很明显,我的生活有两个方面。 |
| 444 | There's the public side that people see me on camera, all that stuff. | 人们在摄影机上看到我的公众面 所有的东西 |
| 445 | And then there's that we're building a studio. | 然后是我们要建一个工作室。 |
| 446 | So we're writing comic books. | 所以我们在写漫画 |
| 447 | We're prepping screenplays and movie pitches. | 我们正在准备剧本和电影投影 |
| 448 | And so that is like there's those two you almost could group together. | 所以这就像有 那两个你几乎可以 组合在一起。 |
| 449 | But then there's the other side of I have whatever 21 employees. | 但还有另一边 我拥有21个员工 |
| 450 | And so it's like the day to day of dealing with HR and what are we doing with people's | 所以,这就像一天到一天 与HR和我们做什么 |
| 451 | health insurance? | 医疗保险? |
| 452 | I mean, it's just like a thousand things like that. | 我的意思是,它只是像 千种这样的东西。 |
| 453 | Right. | 对 |
| 454 | So and bouncing back and forth between the two is is very stressful. | 因此,在二者之间前后弹动是非常紧张的. |
| 455 | And I'm not deeply efficient at switching gears. | 而我在换装方面效率不高 |
| 456 | So some people are like whatever the spectrum is, I'm like way low on the spectrum. | 所以有些人就像光谱一样, 我就像光谱低。 |
| 457 | So going back and forth for me is a nightmare. | 所以为我而来回回都是噩梦 |
| 458 | It's interesting, though. | 虽有趣. |
| 459 | I've never thought to like really chunk it out like that in terms of weeks. | 我从来没有想过会像那样 周而复始 |
| 460 | I've thought about this half day or something like that. | 我考虑过这半天什么的 |
| 461 | But and I always think of it as project specific versus being project type, which may be even | 但是,我一直认为它是特定项目 相对于项目类型, 这也许是平 |
| 462 | better. | 好多了,你还好吧? |
| 463 | That's really, really interesting. | 这真的很有趣。 |
| 464 | I will have to try that. | 我得试试看 |
| 465 | Yeah, try it out. | 是啊,试试看。 |
| 466 | Let me know. | 告诉我 |
| 467 | Let me know what you find from it. | 告诉我你从里面找到什么了 |
| 468 | Definitely been working for me. | 肯定是为我工作 |
| 469 | And I've been trying to hold true to it and trying to stop myself from having two creative | 我一直试图坚持它 并试图阻止自己 有两种创造性 |
| 470 | days a week for the last two months. | 过去两个月里每周一天 |
| 471 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 472 | So I don't do anything. | 所以我什么都没做。 |
| 473 | I just pick up random books, write notes, think, read. | 我只是随便拿书 写笔记 思考 阅读 |
| 474 | And it's just it allows me to really get into a zone. | 它只是让我真正进入一个区域。 |
| 475 | That's yeah. | 没错 |
| 476 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 477 | That's sexy. | 这很性感。 |
| 478 | Like the thought, like hearing you describe it like that, like makes me want to do it | 像想法一样,就像听到你这样形容它一样 让我想这样做 |
| 479 | immediately. | 马上 |
| 480 | Because when you can get into the zone. | 因为当你可以进入区域。 |
| 481 | So I think it was Einstein that said a lot of working hard looks like staring out the | 所以我认为是爱因斯坦说很多努力的工作 看起来像是盯着看 |
| 482 | window. | 图标。 |
| 483 | And there is some truth to that. | 这一点是有道理的。 |
| 484 | It's like sometimes you need to let go. | 这就像有时 你需要放手。 |
| 485 | Like your mind has to relax. | 就像你的思想必须放松一样 |
| 486 | It's part of the reason that I like meditating so much as you go into an alpha wave state. | 这是部分原因,我喜欢冥想 当你进入α波状态。 |
| 487 | So you're calm and creative. | 所以,你冷静和创造性。 |
| 488 | You're making these far flung connections in the mind. | 你在脑中制造这些遥远的连接 |
| 489 | They seem to cough up into your consciousness. | 他们似乎咳嗽到你的意识。 |
| 490 | Like you're not working for them. | 就像你不为他们工作。 |
| 491 | You're not chasing them. | 你不是在追他们 |
| 492 | And so like there was something that you really captured when you said, you know, I might | 所以好像有些东西 你真正抓住 当你说,你知道,我可能 |
| 493 | just walk over and pick up a book. | 只是走过来拿一本书。 |
| 494 | It's like, yeah, man, like you chase that thread. | 这就像,是的,男人,像你追那线索。 |
| 495 | You pull at that. | 你拉那个。 |
| 496 | And then some idea comes out of it. | 然后从中得出一些想法. |
| 497 | Like I was talking with my writers the other day and we were talking about something else | 就像前几天我和我的作家们谈话 我们谈了别的事 |
| 498 | and they said something and I felt bad. | 他们说了些话,我感觉很糟 |
| 499 | They said something, but it clicked an idea so hard for me that I didn't hear them literally | 他们说什么,但它点击了一个想法 如此难对我来说,我没有听到他们字面上 |
| 500 | probably for 90 seconds where my mind was just like I was off like chasing that idea | 可能90秒前,我的脑子就像在追那个想法 |
| 501 | and like, you know, that story and what that story would look like and all that. | 像,你知道,那个故事 和那个故事会是什么样子 和这一切。 |
| 502 | And then finally at about 90 seconds of like being down that rabbit hole, I was like, guys, | 最后在90秒左右 就像在兔子洞,我说,伙计们, |
| 503 | guys, I'm so sorry. | 各位,对不起。 |
| 504 | I'm going to stop because I am not hearing you at all. | 我要停下来,因为我根本没听到你说话 |
| 505 | Like you triggered this hard idea. | 就像你引发了这个困难的想法。 |
| 506 | But when you're in that mode, you're in creativity, you're sitting with writers, you're all talking | 但是当你处于这种状态时,你就是在创造力上,你坐在作家面前,你们都在说话. |
| 507 | or you can just pick up a book or you can watch a movie or something and just get inspired | 或者你可以拿起一本书 或者你可以看电影什么的 得到灵感 |
| 508 | and you're drawing all these inspirations in. | 你正在吸引所有这些灵感。 |
| 509 | It's crazy like where your mind will go. | 这太疯狂了 就像你的大脑会去的地方 |
| 510 | Like one thing I like doing is going to like a comic con. | 我喜欢做一件事 就是喜欢漫画 |
| 511 | Have you ever been to a comic con? | 你去过漫画会吗? |
| 512 | I've never been. | 我从来没有去过。 |
| 513 | I really want to. | 我真的很想这样 |
| 514 | I've been watching. | 我一直在观察。 |
| 515 | I've been following you. | 我一直在跟踪你 |
| 516 | I've been living. | 一直活着。 |
| 517 | Here's the thing. | 事情是这样的 |
| 518 | If you're not into comic cons, it'd be a total waste of your time in a comic. | 如果你不喜欢漫画,那会浪费你在漫画中的时间。 |
| 519 | But when I go, it's like it is the thing that I like about the art form of comics, even | 但当我去的时候,就像我喜欢的东西 关于漫画的艺术形式,甚至 |
| 520 | though they have catastrophic drawbacks, but the reason that it is an art form that | 虽然他们有灾难性的缺点, 但原因是它是一种艺术形式, |
| 521 | has survived as long as it has is because there's no medium that can give you like big | 因为没有媒介能像大块头一样给你 |
| 522 | ideas really fast like comics. | 像漫画一样快速的想法 |
| 523 | Like they've just really figured it out. | 就像他们真的想通了一样 |
| 524 | An economy of language. | 语言经济. |
| 525 | Just everything is ultra high concept. | 只是一切都是超高的概念。 |
| 526 | It's it's utterly fascinating. | 这是完全迷人的。 |
| 527 | So when I'm walking a con, it's like I get into a meditative state. | 所以,当我走一个骗子, 它就像我进入一个冥想状态。 |
| 528 | I will literally walk with my hands clasped behind my back. | 我将用双手在背后擦伤的手走动。 |
| 529 | There's and I don't know why. | 亦有及无明故. |
| 530 | Just intuitively, I always do that where I'm like almost shutting my body down. | 只是直觉上,我总是这样做 像我几乎关闭我的身体。 |
| 531 | I walk really slowly and I just let the bombardment of ideas hit me. | 我走得非常慢, 我只是让 轰炸的想法击中我。 |
| 532 | And it puts me into like the super creative space where ideas start sparking for me, right? | 它让我进入一个超级创意的空间 想法开始为我点燃,对不对? |
| 533 | You go look at a piece of art or you see a headline on a comic or something. | 你去看一幅画 或者看到漫画上的头条 |
| 534 | It's crazy, man. | 太疯狂了 |
| 535 | So yeah, getting into that that realm where you're essentially staring out the window. | 所以,是的,进入那个世界 你基本上盯着窗外。 |
| 536 | But that's where the work gets done. | 但这就是工作完成的地方. |
| 537 | The mental work anyway. | 无论如何,精神工作。 |
| 538 | Yeah, because otherwise we're so on autopilot. | 是啊,因为否则我们是如此的自动驾驶。 |
| 539 | We all have morning routines. | 我们都有早上的例行公事 |
| 540 | We know what we're doing. | 我们知道我们在做什么。 |
| 541 | Everyone's running on default. | 每个人都在逃命 |
| 542 | And then everything kind of just adds up and stacks up. | 然后每样东西都加起来堆起来 |
| 543 | And yes, we're effective and productive. | 是的,我们是有效和富有成效的。 |
| 544 | But I found that in the focus of being effective and productive, I was losing that raw | 但我发现,在焦点 有效和生产性, 我失去了原始的 |
| 545 | creativity, which I crave and love and enjoy. | 创造力,我渴望,爱和享受 |
| 546 | So, yeah, no, good. | 所以,是的,没有,很好。 |
| 547 | I'm glad I'm interested to try try yours, too. | 我很高兴我也有兴趣试试你的 |
| 548 | And I definitely have been doing that more. | 我确实做了更多。 |
| 549 | So the physical to the mental, because I spent so much of my life mastering the mind | 所以身体上对精神上, 因为我花了这么多 我的生活掌握了心灵 |
| 550 | that I often neglected the body. | 我经常忽略尸体 |
| 551 | And it's funny, because I've kind of come back the other way and been like, OK, no, I | 这很有趣,因为我有点回来 另一种方式,一直喜欢,OK,不,我 |
| 552 | want to I want to bring my body on the journey. | 我想把我的身体带去旅行 |
| 553 | Now, I don't want to just let it kind of fade away and die, you know, just in the expense | 现在,我不想让它 消失和死亡,你知道,只是代价 |
| 554 | of the mind. | 心灵。 |
| 555 | OK, let's one thing I wanted to go with you was around your self-awareness. | 好吧,让我们有一件事 我想和你一起去 围绕你的自我意识。 |
| 556 | You're so self-aware. | 汝等自觉. |
| 557 | You're always trying to be more self-aware. | 常欲更自觉. |
| 558 | When I see relationship theory with you and Lisa, by the way, if you don't know Lisa | 当我看到你和丽莎的关系理论, 顺便说一句,如果你不认识丽莎 |
| 559 | Bilyeu, Tom's wife, incredible, absolutely amazing woman. | 比利尤,汤姆的妻子, 不可思议,绝对惊人的女人。 |
| 560 | 喜欢她的Instagram故事. | |
| 561 | Go follow her. | 跟着她 |
| 562 | She's incredible. | 她真不可思议 |
| 563 | The way she talks. | 她说话的方式 |
| 564 | I told her she's one of my favorite Instagram storytellers, like hands down. | 我告诉她她是我最喜欢的Instagram讲故事的人之一 像手放下。 |
| 565 | Can we for a second dive into that? | 我们能再下潜一下吗? |
| 566 | So yes, she is my wife. | 所以,是的,她是我的妻子。 |
| 567 | What I'm about to say is not because she's my wife. | 我要说的不是因为她是我妻子 |
| 568 | She's my wife because I think she's cool, not the other way around. | 她是我的妻子 因为我觉得她很酷 而不是相反 |
| 569 | So she is in our company. | 她现在在我们公司 |
| 570 | She is the best social content creator we have. | 她是我们最好的社会内容创造者 |
| 571 | Like, oh, for sure. | 喜欢,哦,当然。 |
| 572 | I'm including myself in that. | 我包括我自己在内 |
| 573 | I don't know what it is. | 我不知道这是什么。 |
| 574 | She's just got a knack for like understanding how to be raw and vulnerable, but in a way | 她只是有种学问 就像理解如何是原始和脆弱的, 但在某种程度上 |
| 575 | that you can package, which is hard, man. | 你可以包装, 这是艰难的,男人。 |
| 576 | As soon as you start trying to package it, you somehow lose something in it. | 当你开始试图包装它, 你不知何故失去了的东西在里面。 |
| 577 | She knows how to keep it, dude. | 她知道怎么保存它,伙计。 |
| 578 | So literally I was watching her IG feed and I was like, damn, like it's so much better | 所以我在看她的IG饲料 我就像,该死的,好像好多了 |
| 579 | than mine. | 比我还强 |
| 580 | What the fuck? | 什么他妈的? |
| 581 | So I pinned it down and I was like, you got to help me, man. | 所以,我钉下来,我就像, 你得帮我,伙计。 |
| 582 | What you're doing over here is amazing. | 你在这里做的事是惊人的。 |
| 583 | And so she was like, all right, post this picture and then just whatever comes to your | 所以,她喜欢,好吧, 张贴这张照片,然后只是任何到你 |
| 584 | mind, talk about it. | 思想,谈论它。 |
| 585 | And so she would like start feeding me all my throwbacks and my transformation Tuesdays | 所以她想开始喂我 所有我的回转 和我的转型星期二 |
| 586 | and all that. | 这一切。 |
| 587 | And she was like, you know, whatever comes to mind, just go on it. | 她就像,你知道, 无论想到什么, 只是去它。 |
| 588 | And so doing that, picking like, you know, the the weird photos of me, the ugly office | 所以,这样, 挑选像,你知道, 奇怪的照片我, 丑陋的办公室 |
| 589 | instead of like anything cool that I'm doing, like just all raw, vulnerable, like all of | 而不是喜欢任何我正在做的酷事 就像所有原始的,脆弱的,像所有的 |
| 590 | it. | 这个 |
| 591 | And then just riffing off of it is amazing. | 然后,只是抖动它是惊人的。 |
| 592 | That's all her man. | 这就是她的男人。 |
| 593 | She just crushed it. | 她刚刚粉碎了它。 |
| 594 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 595 | I love that you guys have documented everything. | 我喜欢你们记录了一切 |
| 596 | It's insane. | 这太疯狂了 |
| 597 | Like when I see your pictures happen, even the physical changes, job changes, home changes, | 就像我看到你的照片发生, 甚至物理改变,工作改变,家庭改变, |
| 598 | everything, it's unbelievable to see it all documented. | 一切,这是难以置信的 看到这一切记录。 |
| 599 | All of our lives are worse because you didn't take pictures of yourself when you were a | 我们所有的生活都更糟 因为你没有拍照 当你是一个 |
| 600 | mom. | 妈妈 |
| 601 | I'm just going to I'm going to put that out there. | 我只是要去,我要把它放在那里。 |
| 602 | I've got two. | 我有两个。 |
| 603 | I've got two pictures. | 我有两张照片 |
| 604 | You have to milk those forever. | 你必须永远挤奶。 |
| 605 | I wish I was having that before to show people even and maybe you don't need this, but this | 我真希望我之前有这个能给大家看 也许你不需要这个 但是这个 |
| 606 | has been very valuable for me is one of one of the biggest benefits that I have is I don't | 对我很有价值 也是我最大的好处之一 |
| 607 | live in the past. | 住过去. |
| 608 | So my past sort of fades, which is wonderful. | 所以,我过去那种淡出, 这是美妙的。 |
| 609 | And I read this book one time. | 我读过这本书一次。 |
| 610 | I could see by for people not watching this, just listening, Jay is agreeing vehemently. | 我可以看到人们不看这个, 只是听,杰正在强烈同意。 |
| 611 | And I used to be really bothered by this. | 我以前真的很为这个烦恼。 |
| 612 | And then I realized, oh, my God, this is why I don't have hang ups because things just | 然后我意识到,哦,我的上帝, 这就是为什么我没有挂断 因为事情只是 |
| 613 | like drift away from me. | 就像离开我一样 |
| 614 | And then I read this book and it was talking about this character who was immortal, but | 然后我读了这本书 说到这个不朽的人 |
| 615 | he only had a 10 year memory. | 他只有十年的记忆 |
| 616 | So 10 years is enough to form really deep connection. | 因此,十年足够形成真正的深层联系。 |
| 617 | So he wasn't lacking that in his life, but it also has these weird consequences of there's | 所以他一生中并不缺乏这种能力 但也会产生这些奇怪的后果 |
| 618 | no sort of grounded you. | 没有那种禁足你。 |
| 619 | You are just this 10 year window. | 你只是这10年的窗口。 |
| 620 | And I thought that's actually really interesting. | 我觉得这真的很有趣。 |
| 621 | And that feels very much like my life. | 感觉就像我的生活 |
| 622 | And if we hadn't been documenting this stuff, I've already been with Lisa for almost two | 而且如果我们没有记录这些东西, 我已经和丽莎在一起 几乎两个 |
| 623 | of these 10 year cycles. | 这10年周期。 |
| 624 | So when I think back even now to just when we first got together, it's like it's fading. | 所以,当我回想到现在 刚刚我们在一起的时候, 它就像它正在消失。 |
| 625 | And so having the photos, having documented it, having video where you can really see | 所以有了照片,记录下来, 有了视频,你可以看到 |
| 626 | your attitude, right? | 你的态度,对不对? |
| 627 | Where it's not like when I look back on that and I can see, yeah, that mopey side that | 哪里不像我回头看时 我可以看到,是的,那悲哀的一面 |
| 628 | I worked to get rid of, like that was there. | 我努力摆脱, 就像那里。 |
| 629 | And you see it in the videos and it's embarrassing. | 你从录像里看到,很尴尬 |
| 630 | And it reminds you, yeah, I don't want to be like that. | 它提醒你,是的,我不想这样。 |
| 631 | And so having that and being able to see and be reminded or to recapture like, whoa, we | 所以有了它 并能够看到和被提醒 或重新找回像,哇,我们 |
| 632 | really did start with nothing. | 真的没有开始什么。 |
| 633 | You know, and to just, yeah, see something that sparks it off that I wouldn't be holding | 你知道,只是,是啊,看到的东西 点燃它,我不会持有 |
| 634 | on to anymore, but is very valuable for somebody to understand. | 但对于别人来说是很有价值的 |
| 635 | Like, no, no, no. | 喜欢,不,不,不。 |
| 636 | This is where I started. | 这就是我开始的地方。 |
| 637 | You're seeing me today, 20 years into a journey. | 今天你看见我了 20年的旅程 |
| 638 | But this, this is what I look like 20 years ago. | 但是,这是我20年前的样子。 |
| 639 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 640 | The message is even if you have nothing, take pictures. | 信息即使你什么都没有, 拍照。 |
| 641 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 642 | Usually wait. | 平时等. |
| 643 | Especially if you have nothing. | 尤其是如果你什么都没有的话 |
| 644 | Because then when you build something, you're going to be like, I wish we had taken photos | 因为当你建造的东西, 你会像,我希望我们有拍照 |
| 645 | at the beginning. | 在开始。 |
| 646 | Totally. | 当然 |
| 647 | I can identify with that. | 我可以认同这一点。 |
| 648 | I'm not very well documented in pictures or video at all. | 我的照片和录像都不太清晰 |
| 649 | I don't know why. | 我不知道为什么。 |
| 650 | It just never was a conscious decision. | 这从来就不是一个有意识的决定。 |
| 651 | I, I never thought I'd be anywhere. | 我,我从来没有想过我会在任何地方。 |
| 652 | So I was kind of like, what are we going to take pictures for? | 所以我想,我们为什么要拍照? |
| 653 | But it's, but, but now I value it. | 但现在我重视了 |
| 654 | And when I see your, both your feeds, I really value it. | 当我看到你的,你的两个饲料, 我真的很珍惜它。 |
| 655 | I learned so much by reading about both of your throwbacks, the work, the energy, the | 我读了你们两个的背书 工作 精力 |
| 656 | effort, and you both live it beautifully. | 努力,你们都活得很好 |
| 657 | But the reason I was bringing up Lisa, apart from that was I also feel that you are constantly | 但我提起丽莎的原因 除此之外 我也觉得你一直 |
| 658 | working on yourself, whether it's health, relationships, impact, you're constantly | 工作在你自己, 无论它是健康, 关系,影响, 你一直 |
| 659 | working up for yourself. | 为你自己工作 |
| 660 | What I want to know is how did, not did, how did you build that mindset, but what is that | 我想知道的是 你是如何建立这种心态的 |
| 661 | mindset of constantly working on yourself without judging yourself to a deeper level, | 思想是不停地工作 而不判断自己更深层次, |
| 662 | without doing it in a way that always pulling you down, but always pushing you up. | 总是把你拉下来 但总是把你推上去 |
| 663 | And you're doing that in your relationship. | 你这样做 在你的关系中。 |
| 664 | Whenever I watch relationship theory, I think the conversations you and Lisa have, incredible. | 每当我看 关系理论, 我认为你和丽莎的对话,令人难以置信。 |
| 665 | So it seems like you're doing it in all areas of your life. | 看来你在生活的各个方面都这么做了 |
| 666 | Which area did it start in? | 哪个地区开始的? |
| 667 | Which areas did it evolve to? | 它演变到哪些领域? |
| 668 | Let's just break that whole. | 让我们打破这一切。 |
| 669 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 670 | So let's answer that question. | 所以,让我们回答这个问题。 |
| 671 | So where did it start and where did it go? | 那它从哪里开始的,它去了哪里? |
| 672 | So the honest answer is that like many of the most amazing things in my life, they were | 所以诚实的回答是 就像我生命中最神奇的事情一样 |
| 673 | born of misery and I was deeply and profoundly unhappy, dissatisfied with who I was, what | 生于苦难,我深感不高兴, 不满我是谁,什么 |
| 674 | I was capable of, where I was in life, all of it. | 我有能力,我在哪里生活, 这一切。 |
| 675 | I was just really unhappy about it. | 我只是很不高兴 |
| 676 | Now the one good thing is I've always met things like that with, and what can I do? | 现在唯一好的事情是 我总是遇到这样的事情, 我能做什么? |
| 677 | And I have a bias towards action. | 我偏爱行动。 |
| 678 | And then I've cultivated that bias towards action, which is how it's gotten extreme and | 然后我培植了对行动的偏见, 这就是它是如何变得极端和 |
| 679 | is permeated into every area of my life. | 渗透到我生活的每一个领域 |
| 680 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 681 | So it starts with it's this dark place. | 所以它从这个黑暗的地方开始。 |
| 682 | Like I said, I failed in film school. | 就像我说的,我在电影学校失败了。 |
| 683 | I didn't fail in film school. | 我没有在电影学校失败。 |
| 684 | I graduated second in my class, but there was a failure that was so emotionally catastrophic | 我班上第二名毕业,但失败了 感情上是灾难性的 |
| 685 | that everybody else would have been like, oh, you got to be like, what's the problem? | 其他人会喜欢, 哦,你必须喜欢, 什么是问题? |
| 686 | Sure, I got to be in the class, but I didn't walk away with a thesis film that I could | 当然,我得在课堂上, 但我没有走开 论文电影,我可以 |
| 687 | use to get a job as a filmmaker. | 用来找一份电影制片人的工作. |
| 688 | So for me, it was like, whoa, I just lost massively. | 所以对我来说,它就像,哇,我只是失去了巨大的。 |
| 689 | So I'm in this very dark place. | 所以我在这个非常黑暗的地方。 |
| 690 | I'm broke as the day is long. | 我破产了,因为白天很长。 |
| 691 | I can't afford furniture. | 我买不起家具 |
| 692 | I literally sit on the floor in my unfurnished apartment like that. | 我居然坐在地板上 在我的未装修的公寓 这样。 |
| 693 | It's a normal phase that people go through. | 这是人们经历的正常阶段. |
| 694 | But then put on top of that, that I'm feeling down and stuck like I don't know where I'm | 但再加把劲,我感觉低落 和卡住像我不知道我在哪里 |
| 695 | going to go. | 将去。 |
| 696 | Propensity towards action kicks in. | 对动作的认可感被激活了 |
| 697 | I start reading. | 我开始阅读。 |
| 698 | I'm learning about the brain, figuring out how much of this can I change? | 我在学习大脑, 找出这能改变多少? |
| 699 | I realize I can change it. | 我意识到我可以改变它。 |
| 700 | And then that change felt so good. | 然后,这个变化感觉非常好。 |
| 701 | And even let's do a thought exercise. | 甚至让我们做一个思考练习。 |
| 702 | This is for people listening because you're already there. | 这是为人们听的 因为你已经在那里。 |
| 703 | But for anybody listening and you're listening to Jay because you want to get there, you | 但对于任何人听和 你在听杰伊 因为你想要到达那里,你 |
| 704 | see something, which, by the way, you feel when you're with him, it is real. | 看到什么,顺便说一句, 当你和他在一起的时候,这是真实的。 |
| 705 | And I love that about you. | 我喜欢你这样 |
| 706 | But like this sense of peace, like the normal slings and arrows of life, he's found a way | 但是,像这种和平感, 像正常的长枪和箭头一样, 他找到了一种方法 |
| 707 | to deal with. | 处理。 |
| 708 | I won't say that he doesn't have them, but he's found a way to deal with it. | 我不会说他没有, 但他找到了一个方法处理它。 |
| 709 | And that's what you're looking for. | 且道汝所寻. |
| 710 | So going into that, it's like if you are in a dark place and you hear change is real, | 所以说,这就像如果你在一个黑暗的地方 你听到变化是真实的, |
| 711 | change is possible, doesn't that lift your mood? | 改变是可能的,这不会让你情绪升高吗? |
| 712 | Don't you want that to be true? | 难道你不希望这是真的吗? |
| 713 | And once you allow it, because you have to allow it, once you allow that to lift your | 一旦你允许, 因为你必须允许, 一旦你允许它抬起你的 |
| 714 | mood and you're like, I feel better just by thinking I can change. | 心情和你一样,我觉得更好 只是认为我可以改变。 |
| 715 | That was huge for me. | 对我来说是巨大的。 |
| 716 | That was like moment one was when I realized I actually can change. | 这就像那一刻,当我意识到 我实际上可以改变。 |
| 717 | So this thing that feels like a death threat, this like smothering cloud of just like despair, | 所以,这个东西感觉 像死亡威胁, 这就像闷云 就像绝望, |
| 718 | it can clear away and it immediately and it's not like, oh, it went from gray skies to | 它会立刻消失,它不会像, 哦,它从灰色的天空走向 |
| 719 | blue skies. | 蓝天 |
| 720 | It wasn't that immediate, but it was literally immediately a lighter load just because I | 虽然不是那么直接,但其实是那么的轻 |
| 721 | realized I can change. | 我意识到我可以改变。 |
| 722 | So I was like, whoa, I can change. | 所以我想,哇,我可以改变。 |
| 723 | None of this is a death sentence. | 这些都不是死刑。 |
| 724 | That's so like just amazing. | 简直太神奇了 |
| 725 | That was enough to get me going. | 这足以让我去。 |
| 726 | And people are always looking for how do I have the energy? | 人们总是在寻找我的能量? |
| 727 | I'm depressed. | 我很沮丧 |
| 728 | I'm down on myself. | 我自负. |
| 729 | How do I get the energy to push through? | 我如何得到能量 推进? |
| 730 | Man, you've got to find a way to find energy in that you can change. | 男人,你必须找到一个方法 找到能量,你可以改变。 |
| 731 | So whatever position you're in right now, you can change no matter what it is, no matter | 所以无论你现在处于什么地位, 你都可以改变,不管它是什么,不管什么 |
| 732 | how horrific, no matter what you've been through, no matter what you've done. | 多么可怕,无论你经历了什么,无论你做了什么。 |
| 733 | Like there is a way out from under it. | 仿佛有一条出路 从它下面。 |
| 734 | But part of it is allowing that sense of lightness to be there. | 但其中的一部分是允许这种轻感存在。 |
| 735 | So I allowed it. | 所以我允许了 |
| 736 | And so it began to lift off my shoulders, which then encouraged me to take more action, | 于是它开始掀起我的肩膀 然后鼓励我采取更多行动 |
| 737 | to read more, to get better. | 阅读更多, 变得更好。 |
| 738 | I started my obsession with gaining skills that reading isn't about checking a box. | 我开始沉迷于获得技能 阅读不是检查盒子 |
| 739 | It's about actually getting better at something that lets you do something. | 这是关于真正提高 一些让你做一些事情。 |
| 740 | And I need a better way to explain this. | 我需要更好的解释方法 |
| 741 | This is one of those things. | 这是其中之一。 |
| 742 | Like if people really understood what I'm talking about right now, this one fact would | 就像如果人们真的明白我在说什么, 现在,这个事实会 |
| 743 | change their life forever. | 永远改变他们的生活。 |
| 744 | You don't get skills because it looks good on the resume. | 你没有得到技能,因为它看起来在简历上很好。 |
| 745 | You get skills because it lets you do the thing you want to do. | 你得到技能是因为它让你做你想做的事。 |
| 746 | So let's let's use sports as an example. | 故以体育为例. |
| 747 | It's just all too easy not to use it. | 这太容易了,不用它。 |
| 748 | So if you want urine poverty and you're Lionel Messi and you realize actually, I think who's the other one? | 所以,如果你想尿贫 而你是莱昂内尔·梅西 你意识到实际上, 我认为谁是另一个? |
| 749 | Cristiano Ronaldo. | 克里斯蒂亚诺·罗纳尔多. |
| 750 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 751 | He was in the grips of poverty and nice. | 他陷入贫困与善良的境地 |
| 752 | That's perfect. | 这是完美的。 |
| 753 | So Cristiano Ronaldo in the grips of poverty realizes that playing soccer is a way out for him. | 所以Cristiano Ronaldo在贫困中意识到 踢足球是他的出路 |
| 754 | And so he goes and gets the skills. | 所以他去获得技能。 |
| 755 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 756 | Because if he can win on the soccer field, then he can actually elevate his family out of poverty. | 因为如果他能在足球场上获胜,那么他实际上就能让家人摆脱贫困。 |
| 757 | Like when you see that trail, it goes back to the Nietzsche quote. | 就像你看到那条线索时 它会回到尼采的引言 |
| 758 | If you have a why, you can survive almost any how. | 如果你有原因 你几乎可以活下来 |
| 759 | So how am I going to get there? | 那我该怎么去? |
| 760 | The amount of work that Cristiano Ronaldo has put in to become one of the greatest, if not the greatest football player of all time is it's inhuman. | 克里斯蒂亚诺·罗纳尔多为了成为有史以来最伟大的,甚至最伟大的足球运动员而投入的作品数量是不人道的. |
| 761 | Anybody else would look at it and say, nope, not willing to do that. | 其他人会看着它 说,没有, 不愿意这样做。 |
| 762 | And fair enough. | 也够公平了 |
| 763 | But it was somebody who said, if I gain these skills, it will let me dribble around people, score when other people can't score, galvanize a team around me, leverage it to be wanted by teams, to turn into financial resources, to make me famous so that I c | 但有人说,如果我掌握了这些技能, 它会让我在别人不能得分时到处乱跑, 在别人不能得分时得分, 激励一个团队围着我, 利用它被团队想要, 变成财政资源, 让我出名, 这样我就能得到品牌交易和类似的东西。 |
| 764 | All the things that he would need to do to pull himself out of poverty. | 他为了摆脱贫穷需要做的一切 |
| 765 | Like this stuff isn't an accident. | 就像这东西不是意外 |
| 766 | It's about skill acquisition. | 这是关于获得技能。 |
| 767 | So there's another kid that had the same dream. | 有个孩子做了同样的梦 |
| 768 | I'm going to use soccer to get me out of poverty and did nothing about it. | 我要用足球让我摆脱贫困,却一无所获. |
| 769 | Therefore did not have the skills, therefore could not elevate their family out of poverty and looks at it like, well, this is all circumstance. | 因此,他们没有技能,因此无法使他们的家庭摆脱贫困,而且看来,情况就是这样。 |
| 770 | It's not circumstance. | 这不是情节。 |
| 771 | It's cause and effect. | 谓因果. |
| 772 | It's how much energy do you put into actually gaining the skills? | 你投入了多少精力来获得这些技能? |
| 773 | And did you gain them or did you just put in the energy and the effort thinking that should be enough to gain it? | 你得到了他们,还是你刚刚投入了精力 和精力,应该足以获得它? |
| 774 | But you didn't actually gain them. | 但你并没有真正得到他们。 |
| 775 | So this is what it's like. | 所以这就是它的样子。 |
| 776 | The gift I want everybody to receive is you can get good at anything you set your mind to. | 我希望大家得到的礼物是,你可以善于任何你决定的。 |
| 777 | But do you actually say your mind to it? | 但你真的对它说出你的想法吗? |
| 778 | Do you have that inhuman level of follow through? | 你有那种非人道的跟随程度吗? |
| 779 | Do you keep pushing and fighting long after it stopped being fun deep into boredom? | 在厌倦了乐趣之后,你还坚持不懈地打下去吗? |
| 780 | Because you have a why you know why you're doing what you're doing and you're just driving towards that. | 因为你知道为什么 你这样做,你正朝着这个方向前进。 |
| 781 | And when you have that, you can accomplish this extraordinary stuff. | 当你有了它,你可以完成这些非凡的事情。 |
| 782 | But I really think people now are doing it for the gram. | 但我真的认为人们现在这样做是为了公文。 |
| 783 | You're doing it for the gram. | 你这样做是为了格拉姆。 |
| 784 | You want to go to that thing and do it because it's like, oh, this is going to look good on my gram. | 你想去那个东西 并做它,因为它像, 哦,这是会 看起来像我的公文。 |
| 785 | And look, I've done that a hundred times. | 你看,我已经做了一百次了。 |
| 786 | 我了解,我记得 I get it. | |
| 787 | But at the core of my existence is not that. | 但我存在的核心不是这个 |
| 788 | At the core of my existence is I'm going to in the amount of time that I have, I'm going to be acquiring skills. | 我生存的核心是,我要用我拥有的时间去学习技能。 |
| 789 | Now, to acquire those skills, going back to what you were asking me, it's like you have to be self aware. | 现在,为了获得这些技能, 回到你问我, 它就像你必须自我意识。 |
| 790 | So as a part of the formula of knowing that skills have utility, that I can put that utility to the test in service of something bigger than myself that helps other people, makes me have meaning and purpose, | 所以,作为一个公式的一部分,知道 技能有效用, 我可以将这个效用 测试服务于 更大的东西比我自己, |
| 791 | also helps me generate finances, do the things that I want in my life, all of that. | 也帮助我创造资金, 做我想要的事情 在我的生活,这一切。 |
| 792 | But it comes down to that acquiring those skills. | 但归结于获得这些技能。 |
| 793 | So going into something, knowing that like, oh, my God. | 所以,进入一些事情,知道 像,哦,我的上帝。 |
| 794 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 795 | First, it lightens my load a little bit because I realize I can change. | 首先,它减轻了一点我的负担 因为我意识到我可以改变。 |
| 796 | Then I realize these skills actually have utility. | 然后我意识到这些技能实际上有实用性。 |
| 797 | They're going to let me do stuff. | 他们会让我做一些事情。 |
| 798 | So now I really want to go hardcore into that. | 所以,现在我真的很想去硬的。 |
| 799 | And so I poured my attention and energy into making that emotionally rewarding. | 于是我把注意力和精力投入到 使这种情感得到回报。 |
| 800 | We all get to decide. | 我们都有权决定 |
| 801 | In fact, I will be writing a book about this. | 事实上,我会写一本关于这个的书。 |
| 802 | We all get to decide what our values are, what our belief system is, what our rules in life are, the code of ethics that we live by. | 我们都能够决定我们的价值是什么,我们的信仰体系是什么,我们生活中的规则是什么,我们生活的道德守则是什么. |
| 803 | Those are all decisions that people mistake for empirical truth. | 这些都是人们误认为经验真相的决定。 |
| 804 | But if you want to know how just unempirically true it is, look across all societies. | 但是,如果你想知道它有多不真实, 审视所有的社会。 |
| 805 | They don't share it. | 他们不分享它。 |
| 806 | So we just decide that stuff. | 所以,我们只是决定的东西。 |
| 807 | It's usually handed to us by our parents, which is what makes us confuse it with just being true. | 它通常由我们的父母交给我们, 这使得我们混淆它只是真实的。 |
| 808 | But the reality is that we're all constructing this belief system, value system, honor code, all of it. | 但现实是,我们都在构建这个信仰体系,价值体系,荣誉代码,所有这一切. |
| 809 | And it's going to determine what we do and how we do it. | 它将决定我们做什么和怎么做。 |
| 810 | Now, if you choose to breathe a life into from a value and belief standpoint, putting in that work to get those skills, then suddenly that energy of like, well, this is going to let me do something that lets me serve all of a sudden. | 现在,如果你选择从价值和信仰的角度 注入生命, 投入工作来获得这些技能, 那么突然的, 能量一样,嗯, 这会让我做一些事情, 让我突然服务。 |
| 811 | Like, wow, that's uplifting in and of itself. | 喜欢,哇,这是提升 它本身。 |
| 812 | So you feel good as you're doing it now as you're feeling better about it, you're going to want to do it more. | 所以,你感觉很好,就像你现在做的一样,你感觉好多了,你会想做更多。 |
| 813 | And so that became that self-reinforcing loop of I want to do this more. | 因此,这变成了自我强化的循环, 我想做更多的。 |
| 814 | But to do it more, I have to become aware of my blind spots. | 但为了做更多,我必须意识到我的盲点. |
| 815 | And that's where self-awareness comes in. | 这就是自我意识的出现。 |
| 816 | But just like any other skill, like you have to cultivate, you have to get better at it, you have to seek disconfirming evidence, you have to come to realize where you have been blind. | 但是,就像任何其他技能一样,比如你必须培植,你必须更好地掌握它,你必须寻找不肯定的证据,你必须意识到你曾经是盲人。 |
| 817 | Now, often those moments where we realize we've been blind, they're emotionally devastating. | 现在,我们常常意识到我们失明的时候, 情绪上是毁灭性的。 |
| 818 | So the one going back to film school in creating that final thesis film, the realization that the removal of the scales from my eyes was to realize I did not yet have talent as a filmmaker. | 所以,回到电影学校 创作那部最终论文片, 即意识到从我眼中去掉天平, 就是意识到我还没有电影的天赋。 |
| 819 | Now, I didn't know the word yet at the time, so I just felt like a forever. | 现在,我当时还不知道这个词, 所以我只是觉得像一个永远。 |
| 820 | But it was like, that's the truth. | 但事情是这样的 |
| 821 | I did not yet have talent. | 我还没有天赋。 |
| 822 | OK, well, at least now I know now I can address it. | 好吧,至少现在我知道 现在我可以解决它。 |
| 823 | Had I known that on an earlier film, I wouldn't have made the mistakes of my thesis film because I would have known I'm not John Woo. | 如果我在之前的电影中知道, 我就不会犯我的论文电影中的错误 因为我会知道我不是伍约翰 |
| 824 | I'm Alfred Hitchcock and the night and day difference with which they approached films. | 我是阿尔弗雷德·希区柯克 和他们接触电影的昼夜差异 |
| 825 | And so what I had to learn as a creator was, oh, I'm Alfred Hitchcock. | 所以我作为创造者必须学习的是, 哦,我是阿尔弗雷德·希区柯克。 |
| 826 | I have to plan everything to the end detail because I can't think fast enough to do it on the fly. | 我得把一切都安排在最后的细节上 因为我想不起来怎么快 |
| 827 | I have horrible spatial relations. | 我有可怕的空间关系。 |
| 828 | Film, oddly enough, is massively about spatial relations. | 电影,奇怪的是, 是关于空间关系的。 |
| 829 | So like being able to hold that in my head, I can't. | 所以,就像能把 在我的头上,我不能。 |
| 830 | So I have to get a computer program. | 所以我得有个电脑程序 |
| 831 | I have to literally do what are called animatics if I want to shoot a film. | 如果我想拍摄一部电影,我必须做所谓的动画。 |
| 832 | So the next film that I directed, I animatic the whole thing out a lot. | 所以我执导的下一部电影, 我动画了整部电影。 |
| 833 | Literally every shot, camera angle, lens choice, everything was made in like two months leading up to the shoot. | 从字面上讲,每个镜头,相机角度,镜头选择, 一切都是在拍摄前的两个月里完成的。 |
| 834 | And then on the shoot, it was just like, what does my animatic say? | 然后在拍摄, 它只是喜欢, 我的动画说什么? |
| 835 | Oh, it says the camera is going to move from here to here. | 上面说摄像机要从这里移动到这里 |
| 836 | We're going to be on a 35 millimeter lens. | 我们要用35毫米的镜头 |
| 837 | It's going to be at four foot seven inches. | 将至四尺七寸. |
| 838 | It was all mapped out. | 都画好了 |
| 839 | So I could watch it and say, is it working or not? | 所以我可以看,然后说, 它是否有效? |
| 840 | Because I can't hold that in my head. | 因为我无法在脑子里坚持下去 |
| 841 | That's a limitation of me. | 那是我的一个限制。 |
| 842 | Okay, fair enough. | 好吧,相当公平。 |
| 843 | But like that self-awareness allowed me to address it with a set of skills, which was animatics. | 但是,像这种自我意识 让我用一套技能来描述它, 这是一种动画。 |
| 844 | So that's my like whole obsession. | 所以我就是这么着迷的 |
| 845 | I don't know if I got every nuance of what you were asking in self-awareness, but it's like you can train even self-awareness. | 我不知道是否我得到了所有细微的 你要求的自我意识, 但是这就像你可以训练 甚至自我意识。 |
| 846 | Yeah, it's often going to come from pain, but you can and we can get into it. | 是的,它经常会来自痛苦, 但你可以,我们可以进入它。 |
| 847 | I don't know if it's of interest, but there are ways to train yourself to be more self-aware. | 我不知道这是否值得关注,但有一些方法可以训练自己更加自觉. |
| 848 | Yeah, let's do it. | 是啊,让我们做到这一点。 |
| 849 | The reason why I love this one is because I believe that this is the root of everyone's biggest challenge. | 我之所以喜欢这个,是因为我相信这是每个人最大的挑战的根源. |
| 850 | All right, then let's get into it. | 好吧,那我们开始吧 |
| 851 | So the biggest thing is if you're trying to march down a path of self-improvement without clarity, without a terrifying level of clarity, you're never going to make it. | 所以,最大的事情是,如果你试图走一条没有清晰度,没有可怕的清晰度的自我改善的道路,你永远不会成功. |
| 852 | So start there. | 所以从那里开始。 |
| 853 | What do you want exactly? | 你到底想怎样? |
| 854 | What skill, what trait, what ability, what belief? | 什么技能,什么特质,什么能力,什么信仰? |
| 855 | What are you trying to make yours? | 你们想做什么? |
| 856 | So once you identify that notice, he did not say a thing there. | 所以一旦你认出那个通知, 他什么也没说。 |
| 857 | Like you said, right? | 就像你说的,对吧? |
| 858 | Like you said, what ability, what trait, what quality? | 就像你说的,什么能力,什么特质,什么质量? |
| 859 | You didn't you didn't ever say what house, what Lambo. | 你没说过什么房子,什么兰博。 |
| 860 | Yeah, right. | 没错 |
| 861 | It's important. | 这很重要 |
| 862 | Yeah, because I think that's too much. | 对,因为我觉得太多了 |
| 863 | I mean, when I remember first getting yourself, sorry to cut you off. | 我的意思是,当我记得 第一次得到自己, 抱歉打断你。 |
| 864 | I'm saying this because I think it's such an important point that you made that you did not let that word even come into a list and you named like seven things and it didn't come in. | 我这样说是因为我认为这是很重要的一点, 你没有让这个词出现在一个列表中, 你命名像七件事,它没有出现。 |
| 865 | Because when I started self-improvement, so much of what I heard in the West was always about a vision board of having stuff. | 因为当我开始自我改进时, 我在西方听到的, 总是关于一个有东西的视觉板。 |
| 866 | And it was like, put a picture of that ideal house, put a picture of that car. | 它就像,把那间理想的房子的照片, 把那辆车的照片。 |
| 867 | And I've always struggled with that, always struggled with that being the object of obsession. | 我总是为此而挣扎, 总是为此而挣扎 成为痴迷的对象。 |
| 868 | So I'm glad you didn't bring it up and you can carry on or go on that or whatever. | 所以,我很高兴你没有提出它 你可以继续或者继续 或什么的。 |
| 869 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 870 | So well, part of it is because I certainly don't want to be disingenuous. | 好吧,其中一部分 因为我肯定不想 欺骗。 |
| 871 | Like there are also material things that I chase and I'm inspired by and all that for sure. | 就像我所追求的物质事物 我受到启发,所有这一切是肯定的。 |
| 872 | I just come at it from a like, what's the skill that I'm going to need? | 我只是从一个类似, 什么是我需要的技能? |
| 873 | Even if that ultimately is where I want to get. | 即使那归根结底是我想得到的 |
| 874 | It's like all of that stuff people will find. | 这就像所有的东西 人们会找到。 |
| 875 | And God, I hope people have heard this a thousand times. | 上帝,我希望人们已经听到了一千次。 |
| 876 | It's so transient. | 如此短暂. |
| 877 | It is never going to fulfill you. | 它永远不会满足你。 |
| 878 | Right. | 对 |
| 879 | But it's still fun. | 但还是好玩的 |
| 880 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 881 | Chase it. | 追着它。 |
| 882 | Have fun. | 玩得开心点 |
| 883 | Like, I get it. | 喜欢,我明白了。 |
| 884 | But you will ultimately come back to something more meaningful. | 但你最终会回到更有意义的事情。 |
| 885 | For sure. | 当然 |
| 886 | So the once you know what you want, you have that level of clarity. | 所以一旦你知道你想要什么, 你就会有这种清晰度。 |
| 887 | Where am I in that? | 我从哪来的? |
| 888 | And that's where it requires you have self-awareness to know where you are in developing that skill. | 在那里,它需要你 自我意识 知道你在哪里 开发这种技能。 |
| 889 | So if you one are willing to be honest with yourself, you've already won the single most | 所以,如果你愿意对自己诚实, 你已经赢得了最 |
| 890 | important part in learning to be honest with yourself is to accept that you must have self-esteem. | 学会对自己诚实 很重要的一环 就是接受你必须有自尊 |
| 891 | And the problem is most people build their self-esteem around something stupid. | 问题在于大多数人 将自尊建立在愚蠢的东西上。 |
| 892 | So most people build their self-esteem around being right, being good, being smart, being | 所以大多数人建立自尊 围绕正确,好,聪明,聪明 |
| 893 | worthy. | 值得一试 |
| 894 | And they see all of those as permanent traits. | 他们将所有这些视为永久特征。 |
| 895 | And so anything that challenges them being smart, which is my big one. | 所以任何挑战他们聪明的东西, 就是我最大的。 |
| 896 | Oh, God. | 天呐 |
| 897 | Even to this day, if I really want to get into a bad place, I'll just go hang around | 即使今天,如果我真的想 进入一个不好的地方,我会只是去四处游荡 |
| 898 | people that are just legitimately smarter than me and then focus on how cool being smart | 那些比我聪明的人 然后专注于聪明多酷 |
| 899 | is. | 没错 |
| 900 | Now I can be around them when I value myself for being the learner. | 现在,我可以在他们身边 当我重视自己 成为学习者。 |
| 901 | But the second I let myself slip into just wanting to be cool for being smart, then being | 但是,第一,我让自己 溜进只是想冷静 因为聪明,然后是 |
| 902 | around those people is like getting kicked in the face. | 周围的人就像被踢在脸上 |
| 903 | It sucks, man. | 糟透了 伙计 |
| 904 | And so I had this I went through this phase in my life that I call the king of remedial | 所以我经历了这个阶段,我叫补救之王 |
| 905 | jobs phase. | 工作阶段。 |
| 906 | And I wanted so this is post film school post like realizing that I don't have talent. | 我想,这就是电影学校的帖子 就像意识到我没有天赋。 |
| 907 | I just need to be smart, man. | 我只是需要 聪明,男人。 |
| 908 | I just need to build myself back up by being smart. | 我只是需要通过聪明来重建自己 |
| 909 | And so I would apply for jobs like I worked. | 所以我会申请像工作一样的工作 |
| 910 | I sold video games retail and I sold insurance door to door. | 我卖电子游戏零售 卖保险门到门。 |
| 911 | I did anything that I could where I knew that the person interviewing me at some point during | 我做了任何事情,我能在哪里 我知道那个人采访我 在某个时候 |
| 912 | the interview was going to say, why are you applying for this job? | 面试会说 你为什么要申请这份工作? |
| 913 | Like you're too smart for this and be like, I'm right where I need to be, which is crazy | 就像你太聪明了,而且喜欢, 我就在我想要的地方,这太疯狂了 |
| 914 | and sad, but absolutely true. | 和悲伤,但绝对是真的。 |
| 915 | And so I did that for a couple of years. | 所以我做了几年。 |
| 916 | And in that phase, it was I just didn't want my intelligence to be challenged. | 在那个阶段, 我只是不希望我的智力受到挑战。 |
| 917 | So flash forward. | 闪闪发光 |
| 918 | Now I'm working with these two entrepreneurs. | 现在我和这两个企业家一起工作。 |
| 919 | They hire me as a copywriter. | 他们雇我当抄写员 |
| 920 | I'm in an entrepreneurial environment for the first time and they're clearly smarter | 我第一次处于创业环境 他们显然更聪明 |
| 921 | than me. | 比我还强 |
| 922 | They're smarter than me. | 他们比我聪明 |
| 923 | That that isn't even up for debate. | 这甚至不值得辩论。 |
| 924 | And I'm arguing with them for this idea because I needed to win. | 我和他们争论这个想法 因为我需要赢 |
| 925 | I just I couldn't take another time where it's like they're smarter than me. | 我只是不能再花时间 他们好像比我聪明 |
| 926 | They're smarter than me. | 他们比我聪明 |
| 927 | So I was like, all right, I'm going to win on this idea. | 所以我想,好吧,我会赢得这个想法。 |
| 928 | And somewhere in the argument, I realized I was wrong. | 在争论中 我意识到我错了 |
| 929 | And there was a voice in my head screaming, you're wrong, dude. | 我脑子里有个声音在尖叫 你错了 伙计 |
| 930 | You are wrong. | 你错了 |
| 931 | You know, you're wrong. | 你知道,你错了。 |
| 932 | Shut up. | 闭嘴 |
| 933 | Like, stop pushing for this. | 像,停止推动这一点。 |
| 934 | What are you doing? | 你在干吗? |
| 935 | And I kept going and I finally like whittled them down and they finally just gave up. | 我继续走,我终于喜欢 击倒他们 最后他们刚刚放弃。 |
| 936 | And so they said, yep, we'll do it your way. | 所以他们说,是的,我们会按你的方式去做。 |
| 937 | Whatever. | 随便吧 |
| 938 | And right then and there, it's the one time in my life that was truly a lightning rod | 那时和那里, 这是我生命中唯一一次 真正的闪电棒 |
| 939 | moment where my life can be divided before and after. | 那一刻,我的生活可以分 前后。 |
| 940 | And that moment was realizing that I was telling everybody that I wanted to get rich. | 那一刻我意识到,我告诉大家,我想发财。 |
| 941 | But the way I was acting was like I just wanted to feel smart. | 但我的表现就像我只是想感觉聪明 |
| 942 | And I thought, hey, no judgment. | 我想,嘿,没有判断力。 |
| 943 | I'm totally cool. | 我完全冷静。 |
| 944 | Whichever it is, like we can craft a life where that would be wonderful. | 不管是什么,就像我们可以 塑造一个生活,这将是美妙的。 |
| 945 | So if what you really want is to just be smart and to feel smart all the time, you | 所以,如果你真正想要的 只是聪明 和感觉聪明所有的时间,你 |
| 946 | have to quit. | 必须退出。 |
| 947 | You've got to get out of this environment because they make you feel stupid all the | 你必须走出这个环境 因为他们让你觉得愚蠢 |
| 948 | time. | 时间。 |
| 949 | And that's not a great place to be feeling badly about yourself all the time for any | 这可不是什么好地方 总是对自己不好 |
| 950 | reason. | 理由,我说, |
| 951 | Even if it's self-inflicted, it's not a bad scenario or it's not a good scenario. | 纵有自伤,亦不坏或不善. |
| 952 | You've got to get out of it. | 得解脱门. |
| 953 | So I was like, OK, so that's option one. | 所以我想,OK,所以这是选择之一。 |
| 954 | Get out of this scenario. | 离开这个情景。 |
| 955 | Go back to being the king of remedial jobs. | 复为补行王. |
| 956 | Or if you actually want to get rich, start acting in accordance with it. | 或者,如果你真的想发财, 开始按照它行事。 |
| 957 | Start making decisions based on that. | 开始据此作出决定。 |
| 958 | And so I was like, OK, well, I'm going to have to give up my self-esteem. | 所以我想,好吧,好吧, 我得放弃自尊。 |
| 959 | I'm going to have to stop worrying about feeling good about myself. | 我不能再担心自己有多好 |
| 960 | And I was like, oh, that is clearly a losing proposition. | 我当时想,哦,这显然是一个失败的提议。 |
| 961 | There is no way to come in and feel horrible every day and think that I will have the energy | 不可能天天进来觉得很恐怖 以为我会有精力 |
| 962 | to see this through. | 让这一切结束 |
| 963 | So I was like, God, what else could I do? | 所以我就想,上帝,我还能做什么? |
| 964 | I was like, well, I guess I could build my self-esteem around something that is sort | 我当时想,嗯,我想我可以 建立我的自尊 围绕某种东西 |
| 965 | of impervious to being around people that are smarter than me. | 和比我更聪明的人在一起 |
| 966 | And what would that be? | 那会是什么? |
| 967 | Being a learner. | 当学人. |
| 968 | And I thought, OK, well, I could choose to do that. | 我想,好吧,我可以选择这样做。 |
| 969 | I could choose to build my self-esteem around being not right, but finding the right answer, | 我可以选择建立自尊 围绕不正确, 但找到正确的答案, |
| 970 | not being smart, but working hard to learn. | 不是聪明 而是努力学习 |
| 971 | And so that became just like the core of my existence. | 这就像我生存的核心 |
| 972 | I decided in that moment, I'm going to start valuing myself for how rapidly I can admit | 那一刻我决定 我将开始重视自己 |
| 973 | when I'm wrong, how much I learn, how much time and energy I put into learning. | 当我错了,我学到了多少, 我花了多少时间和精力去学习。 |
| 974 | And once I switched that and I switched my identity and my behaviors around to being | 一旦我换了那个 换了身份和行为 |
| 975 | the learner, then all of a sudden everything changed. | 然后突然一切都变了 |
| 976 | And that's when I went on hockey stick growth, because all of a sudden, if we were arguing | 那时我开始冰球棍生长 因为突然间,如果我们在争论 |
| 977 | and I realized you were right, I'd be like, dude, he's right. | 我意识到你是对的,我会说,伙计,他是对的。 |
| 978 | You're totally right. | 你说得对 |
| 979 | I see it. | 我看见了 |
| 980 | Oh, my God, thank you so much. | 哦,我的上帝,谢谢你这么多。 |
| 981 | And so I started earning a reputation. | 所以我开始赢得声誉。 |
| 982 | I never just backed into a corner. | 我从不掉进角落 |
| 983 | I never argued for something just because it was my idea. | 我从不为某件事争吵 只是因为这是我的主意 |
| 984 | I was legitimately on the hunt to find the right answer. | 我合法地在狩猎 寻找正确的答案。 |
| 985 | And so now I'm getting the internal feedback of, hey, you said that you were going to always | 所以现在我得到了内部的反馈,嘿, 你说你会永远 |
| 986 | focus on being the learner. | 专心学习 |
| 987 | You're doing it. | 你这样做。 |
| 988 | You said you'd always admit when you're wrong. | 你说你总是承认你错了 |
| 989 | And I would try to shorten that timeline down. | 我会努力缩短时间 |
| 990 | So I wasn't like taking an hour to finally admit it or even three minutes that I was | 所以我不喜欢花一个小时 终于承认,甚至三分钟 |
| 991 | trying to get to it. | 试图达到它。 |
| 992 | Like, dude, if I realized I was wrong, three seconds, 30 seconds, Max, like I'm, you know, | 就像,伙计,如果我意识到我错了, 三秒钟,30秒,马克思,像我,你知道, |
| 993 | just finally saying it. | 终于说出来了 |
| 994 | Look, you're totally right. | 你说得对 |
| 995 | I'm with you. | 我与汝为伴. |
| 996 | Yep, I see it. | 是的,我看见了。 |
| 997 | And then the world was like, whoa, working with this guy is awesome. | 然后世界就像,哇, 与这家伙合作是真棒。 |
| 998 | He's not trying to take credit for other people's ideas. | 他并不是想把别人的想法当回事 |
| 999 | He will change on what he was saying in a heartbeat when he, you know, he fights for | 他会改变他说的话 当他,你知道,他为 |
| 1000 | what he believes in. | 他所相信的东西 |
| 1001 | But the second you can convince him, he's convinced. | 但一旦你能说服他 他就会相信 |
| 1002 | And then he moves on. | 然后他继续前进。 |
| 1003 | And it just became a really awesome environment. | 它刚刚成为一个非常棒的环境。 |
| 1004 | So that was hugely transformative. | 因此,这是巨大的变革。 |
| 1005 | But it forces you to constantly be on the lookout for where am I wrong? | 但它迫使你一直盯着 我哪里错了? |
| 1006 | Right. | 对 |
| 1007 | Anyone who's listening, I'm taking a moment to take it all in because that's the reason | 任何人在听, 我花点时间把它全部收起来 因为这就是原因 |
| 1008 | why I find that fascinating is because most of the time we always hear just like, you | 为什么我觉得这迷人 是因为大部分时间 我们总是听到 就像,你 |
| 1009 | know, self-awareness starts to just, just observe yourself, do what you're good at, | 你知道,自我意识开始 只是,只是观察自己, 做你擅长的, |
| 1010 | you know, that kind of stuff, which, which I think is not bad advice. | 你知道,那种东西, 我认为这不是坏建议。 |
| 1011 | I think it's on there, but you're actually flipping it totally. | 我认为它在那里, 但你实际上完全翻了。 |
| 1012 | When I'm listening to you, what I'm hearing is that you literally had to shift the way | 当我听到你,我听到的是, 你实际上不得不改变道路 |
| 1013 | you saw yourself and what you felt was making you feel significant because you were getting | 你看见自己,你的感觉 让你觉得重要 因为你得到 |
| 1014 | so much significance from being the smartest. | 成为最聪明的人很重要 |
| 1015 | And you had to take that away and find a new significance. | 你不得不把它拿走,找到一个新的意义。 |
| 1016 | It was still significant. | 它仍然很重要。 |
| 1017 | It wasn't like being a learner was insignificant or subordinate or inadequate. | 这不像是一个学习者 微不足道或从属或不足。 |
| 1018 | You saw it with the same level of significance. | 你看见的都一样重要 |
| 1019 | 我必须这么做 I had to. | |
| 1020 | And that's the thing. | 这就是问题所在。 |
| 1021 | You can decide what to value. | 你可以决定什么是价值。 |
| 1022 | And so this is another part of it's not really self-awareness, but this is another part of | 所以这是另一个部分 它不是真正的自我意识, 但这是另一个部分 |
| 1023 | the rebuilding process of somebody that wants to completely transform who they are. | 重建一个想要彻底改变自己的人的过程。 |
| 1024 | You have to change your identity. | 你必须改变你的身份。 |
| 1025 | So who am I? | 我是谁? |
| 1026 | I'm the smart guy. | 我是聪明人 |
| 1027 | And that's how I thought of myself. | 我就是这样想自己的。 |
| 1028 | Like I thought of myself as being smart. | 就像我自以为聪明一样 |
| 1029 | And then the life slapped me around and I realized, oh, wow, I'm really actually not | 然后生活扇了我一巴掌 我意识到,哦,哇,我真的不是 |
| 1030 | that smart. | 这么聪明 |
| 1031 | I just grew up in a small town. | 我刚在一个小镇长大 |
| 1032 | And so in my small town, I was smart enough. | 所以在我的小镇,我足够聪明。 |
| 1033 | I was still never the smartest, but then I moved to L.A. | 我从未是最聪明的,但后来我搬到了洛杉矶。 |
| 1034 | And all of a sudden fucking people smarter than me were just like growing on trees. | 突然,他妈的人比我聪明 就像在树上生长。 |
| 1035 | So I was like, wow, I really don't feel smart anymore. | 所以我觉得,哇, 我真的不觉得聪明了。 |
| 1036 | So that was like a hard adjustment. | 所以这就像一个硬调整。 |
| 1037 | And so then putting myself into these smaller and smaller rooms was the solution. | 所以,把自己放到这些小房间就是解决办法。 |
| 1038 | But I realized that I had been sort of taken as a default value intelligence. | 但我意识到我被当成一种默认值智能。 |
| 1039 | Maybe it was the family I grew up in or the movies I watched. | 也许是我成长的家庭 或者我看的电影 |
| 1040 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 1041 | But I just had this default that being smart was the thing everyone should chase. | 但我只是有一个默认, 聪明是每个人都应该追求的。 |
| 1042 | And then I realized, oh, I can actually change that. | 然后我意识到, 哦,我可以改变这一点。 |
| 1043 | Not everybody values themselves for that. | 不是每个人都重视这一点。 |
| 1044 | And so I could swap that out with something else. | 这样我就可以用别的东西换掉 |
| 1045 | And I want people to understand that those things that are just deeply within you that | 我希望人们能明白 那些在你内心深处的东西 |
| 1046 | seem as if they are innate human qualities challenge them all. | 似乎他们是天生的人类品质 挑战着他们所有人 |
| 1047 | Some things you won't be able to change. | 有些事情你无法改变 |
| 1048 | But some things are far more malleable than you thought. | 但有些事情比你想象的要容易得多 |
| 1049 | And a lot of what you value comes down to what you repeat. | 很多你珍视的东西 都归结为你重复的东西 |
| 1050 | And so just repeating myself, I'm the learner, I'm the learner, I'm the learner. | 所以重复一下,我是学习者,我是学习者,是学习者。 |
| 1051 | It began to be my identity and then rewarding myself emotionally when I did that. | 它开始是我的身份,然后在情感上奖励自己 当我这样做。 |
| 1052 | Repeating it, rewarding, repeating, rewarding. | 复次善财报恩. |
| 1053 | Then it's like through that repetition cycle, it actually starts to be meaningful that you're the learner. | 然后,它就像通过重复周期, 实际上开始有意义的是,你是学习者。 |
| 1054 | And by the way, I was telling everybody, I'm the learner. | 顺便说一下,我告诉大家,我是学习者。 |
| 1055 | I see myself as a learner. | 我把自己看作一个学习者。 |
| 1056 | I'm the learner. I'm the learner. | 我是学习者。 我是学习者。 |
| 1057 | And because I was telling people, then I really felt the sense of congruence with wanting to act like the learner. | 因为我在告诉人们, 然后我真的感觉到了 与想表现得像学习者一样的感觉。 |
| 1058 | And so when you say you're going to do something and you do it, you earn self-credibility. | 所以当你说要做点什么的时候, 你就会得到自我信任。 |
| 1059 | So now I've got this loop going. | 现在我有了这个循环。 |
| 1060 | I said I was a learner. | 我说我是一个学习者。 |
| 1061 | Here I am reading this book. | 我在这里读这本书。 |
| 1062 | Here I am being willing to admit when I'm wrong, seeking out knowledge, looking for disconfirming evidence. | 在这里,我愿意承认,当我错了, 寻找知识,寻找不可靠的证据。 |
| 1063 | Like I get to feel good about myself for that. | 就像我对自己感觉很好一样 |
| 1064 | And that cycle of getting good at emotionally rewarding and, if your audience is ready for this, emotionally punishing yourself. | 而那种在情感上得到回报的循环, 如果你的观众准备好这样做, 在情感上惩罚自己。 |
| 1065 | And knowing that it's got to be never more than an 80-20 split. | 并且知道它必须永远不 超过80-20分裂。 |
| 1066 | You can never be like a 70-30 and spending 30% of your time in the negative. | 你永远不能像70到30岁 并且把30%的时间花在阴性上 |
| 1067 | You just can't. | 你不能这样 |
| 1068 | It's just something about the human being. | 唯是众生. |
| 1069 | And is it actually 20? | 20岁吗? |
| 1070 | It feels ballpark there. | 感觉球场。 |
| 1071 | But if you think about you should be spending at least four more times thinking about all the things you're doing well, | 但是如果你想到你应该至少再花四次时间 想想你做得很好的事 |
| 1072 | all the good things you're bringing into this world, the things you're grateful for, | 所有你带进这个世界的好东西 你感激的东西 |
| 1073 | spending at least four more times amount of your time there, | 在那里花费至少四倍的时间, |
| 1074 | then you do the negative stuff, the things you're doing wrong, the things that you can improve. | 然后你做负面的事情, 你做错的事情, 你可以改进的东西。 |
| 1075 | And just the easy barometer is even if you have to take it down to a point of 0.1% of time in the negative, | 而简单的气压计即使你必须把它降到负数的0.1%, |
| 1076 | it's the way to know if you're spending too much or too little is the second something begins to chip away at who you are and what you think about yourself, | 它的方式知道你是否花费太多或太少 是第二件事开始 切除你是谁 和你的想法, |
| 1077 | stop because all of this should be building you up. | 停止,因为这一切应该 建立你。 |
| 1078 | Even the things that I'm saying to myself, I'm not doing well at that. | 即使我对自己说的那些话 我也做不好 |
| 1079 | I have protection from and that's okay because you're the learner. | 我有保护,没关系 因为你是学习者。 |
| 1080 | I'm not good at that yet. | 我还不擅长这个 |
| 1081 | I'm so hardcore about things like that that I make sure that I always remind myself that just because I'm not good at it yet doesn't mean that I'm not going to get good at it. | 我对这样的事情很在行, 以至于我确保我总是提醒自己, 只是因为我不擅长它, 并不意味着我不会得到好。 |
| 1082 | So you start reinforcing that and you really can begin to build yourself up. | 所以,你开始强化它, 你真的可以开始建立自己。 |
| 1083 | These beliefs and habits and routines and core values, identity, it's all malleable. | 这些信仰和习惯以及常规和核心价值,身份,都是可塑的. |
| 1084 | And if it's all malleable, that's where I'm going back to that question that I'd asked initially and you were like, did you answer all that? | 如果一切都是可塑的,那就是我要回到我最初问过的问题, 而你是这样的,你回答了吗? |
| 1085 | And you are literally answered 99.9% of it apart from this one was when you're building that, | 你得到了99.9%的回答 除了这个 你建造的时候 |
| 1086 | how do you build it without letting that then become negative judgment on yourself or every time you're questioning yourself or you're okay with being wrong? | 你如何构建它而不让它 成为负面的判断自己 或者每当你质疑自己 或者你对错误是好的? |
| 1087 | How are you stopping that from being so heavy? | 你怎么阻止它变得这么重? |
| 1088 | Yeah, this is where rules come in. | 是啊,这是规则 进来。 |
| 1089 | Right. | 对 |
| 1090 | So you've talked about this at the event. | 你在活动上谈过这个 |
| 1091 | I love that point you made at the event. | 我喜欢你在那场活动中说的 |
| 1092 | You talked about rules and barriers and boundaries. | 你谈到规则、障碍和界限。 |
| 1093 | I think I answered the question and you were like, because you're a monk, you're allowed to say that. | 我想我回答了这个问题,你好像,因为你是一个和尚,你被允许这样说. |
| 1094 | And then you went and gave the practical answer. | 然后你去了,并给出了实际答案。 |
| 1095 | I was like, that's a great answer. | 我当时想,这是一个伟大的答案。 |
| 1096 | So yeah. | 对啊 |
| 1097 | So the way that I view myself is like Voltron. | 所以我看待自己的方式就像伏特龙一样。 |
| 1098 | I'm all these like random bits and pieces that come together to make a whole. | 我就像随机的零碎块一样 拼凑成一个整体 |
| 1099 | But the reality when people look at me or they look at my success, what you're seeing is my identity, my values, my beliefs, my rules, my habits, my routines. | 但当人们看着我或者看着我的成功, 你所看到的是我的身份,我的价值观,我的信仰,我的规矩,我的习惯,我的常规。 |
| 1100 | They've all come together and they form a set of behavior, a set of seeking skills and working hard and wanting to impact and touch lives and to be a good partner to my wife and all of that. | 他们都聚集在一起,形成一套行为,一套寻求技能,努力工作,想要影响和触摸生活,成为我妻子和所有这一切的好伙伴. |
| 1101 | That's what you see. | 这就是你看到的。 |
| 1102 | But it's all things that I very consciously and very routinely come over, prune what's not working, add something new as I learn it. | 但是,这是所有的事情, 我非常有意识和非常经常地过来, 普纳什么是行不通的, 增加一些新的东西,当我学习它。 |
| 1103 | And that is at the end of the day, you have to have a rule that you don't do anything that diminishes yourself. | 这就是最后的结局,你必须有一个规则,即你不会做任何有损自己的事情. |
| 1104 | So, for instance, if I'm in a dark place, I'm going to spend zero, zero percent of my time punishing myself, right? | 所以,举例来说,如果我在一个黑暗的地方, 我会花0,0%的时间惩罚自己,对不对? |
| 1105 | Because it doesn't make sense. | 因为它没有道理。 |
| 1106 | So one of my like guiding principles is never do anything that diminishes you and then never do anything that moves you away from your goal. | 所以我喜欢的一条指导原则 就是永远不要做任何贬低你的事 然后永远不要做任何让你偏离你目标的事 |
| 1107 | So again, goal, you have to have that clarity. | 所以,目标,你必须明白这一点。 |
| 1108 | So I know what I'm trying to do. | 故知我所为. |
| 1109 | OK, well, if I know what I'm trying to do, does beating me beating myself up over this, is that going to help me or hurt me? | 好吧,好吧,如果我知道我在想做什么, 打我打自己 这一点,这是要帮助我吗? |
| 1110 | I know it's going to hurt me because I'm going to be more likely to slide toward depression, to think less of myself, to be less bold, to take less action. | 我知道这会伤害我 因为我会更倾向于 滑向抑郁, 少想自己,少胆量,少采取行动。 |
| 1111 | OK, well, then we're not going to do that. | 好吧,那么我们不会这样做。 |
| 1112 | And I don't think people have researched cognitive behavioral therapy nearly enough. | 我认为人们对认知行为疗法的研究还不够。 |
| 1113 | Pattern interrupting is like everything. | 模式中断就像一切。 |
| 1114 | Get better at pattern interrupting than LeBron is at shooting. | 比勒布朗在射击时更擅长打搅阵营 |
| 1115 | Like you just have to be a ninja. | 就像你必须成为一个忍者一样。 |
| 1116 | Like you've got to be so hardcore. | 就像你必须如此坚果。 |
| 1117 | You've got to know about how to do that with yourself. | 你必须要知道如何用自己做到这一点。 |
| 1118 | So if I have a negative thought that's recurring, I just tell myself, nope, you can't think this anymore. | 所以,如果我有一个负面的想法是反复出现, 我只是告诉自己,没有,你不能再想这个。 |
| 1119 | So and every time it will come up because I can't stop myself from it popping up into my conscious mind. | 所以,每当它会出现, 因为我无法阻止自己 从它跳出在我的意识的头脑。 |
| 1120 | But you absolutely can control how the next thought goes. | 但你绝对可以控制接下来的想法 |
| 1121 | The next thought can be, oh, I'm here's what I'll do with a negative thought. | 接下来的思考可能是, 哦,我在这里 我会做一个负面的想法。 |
| 1122 | That's so rad. | 这太疯狂了 |
| 1123 | I'm so glad this negative thought appeared in my mind because that reminds me to be grateful for the fact that I'm friends with Jay Shetty or that reminds me to be grateful. | 我很高兴这个负面的想法出现在我的脑海中,因为这提醒我感激我和杰伊·谢蒂是朋友,或者提醒我感激. |
| 1124 | The fact I have a marriage that is so insanely cool that I legitimately some days have to stop myself from just curling up in a ball with her and just chilling all fucking day. | 我有一个非常酷的婚姻 合法地说,有些日子我必须阻止自己 与她一起在舞会中卷曲, 和所有他妈的一天。 |
| 1125 | Like that is I'm super stoked. | 碞钩琌и次 s |
| 1126 | Even now, Jay, it's so funny. | 即使现在,杰伊,它是如此有趣。 |
| 1127 | I had to stop and think, wait, I'm going through this list of things that I'm grateful for. | 我不得不停下来想,等等,我正在翻阅这份我很感激的东西清单. |
| 1128 | What started this? | 是什么开始的? |
| 1129 | And I'm like, oh, yeah, the negative thought like that actually just happened to me right now. | 而我喜欢,哦,是的, 负面的想法 像这样的实际上 刚刚发生在我身上。 |
| 1130 | So you can imagine in real life when you train yourself every time the negative thought kicks up, don't don't sit in the emotion of the negativity that it will bring. | 所以,你可以想象,在现实生活中, 当你每次消极的想法被激起时, 训练自己的时候, 不要坐在那里, 消极的情绪会带来。 |
| 1131 | Instead, use it as a habit loop trigger to think about something you're grateful for. | 相反,用它作为习惯循环触发器来思考一些你感激的东西. |
| 1132 | And at first it feels so awkward. | 一开始感觉很尴尬 |
| 1133 | And it's like the negative thought just keeps coming back. | 这就像消极的想法 只是不断回来。 |
| 1134 | But if you're diligent and suddenly negative thoughts become a habit loop trigger to gratitude, to positivity, to repeating your rules about I don't allow myself to think things that tear me down. | 但如果你勤奋而突然的负面想法 成为感恩的习惯循环触发点 主观性 重复你的规则 我不允许自己思考那些让我失望的事情 |
| 1135 | So I'm not going to think about that. | 故不思议. |
| 1136 | Even just saying that crowds out that thought and telling other people that, hey, this is what you're doing. | 即使只是说 挤出的想法 并告诉其他人, 嘿,这是你在做什么。 |
| 1137 | It is unbelievable. | 这是不可思议的。 |
| 1138 | But this is why I'm saying I'm literally just a patchwork of all these like tools and techniques that allow me to protect myself from negative self-talk, from anxiety, from depression. | 但是这就是为什么我要说,我其实只是 一种诸如这些工具和技术的拼凑, 使我能够保护自己免受负面的自我对话、焦虑和抑郁。 |
| 1139 | I don't think I've ever officially been in depression, but I've been super fucking close enough to know the feeling of staring into the void, which I don't think is accurate. | 我从来没有正式过抑郁症, 但我已经超级他妈的接近 足以知道 看着虚空的感觉, 我认为这是不准确的。 |
| 1140 | It feels like the void is collapsing in around you and just everything is meaningless and it is all utterly hopeless. | 感觉你身边的空虚正在崩溃 一切都毫无意义 毫无希望 |
| 1141 | And I've had just enough of a glimpse of how hopeless that is to get where people are in those moments. | 我刚刚看够了 那种感觉是多么的无望 以至于人们在那些时刻。 |
| 1142 | But anxiety that I've been in the thick of so that when I know and I've used CBT cognitive behavioral therapy to do interrupts on that, I have a very well developed negative voice. | 但是,我一直很焦虑, 当我知道,我用CBT认知行为疗法 来打断我, 我有一个非常发达的负面声音。 |
| 1143 | So I have had to use tools and techniques to stop that. | 所以我不得不用工具和技术来阻止这种情况。 |
| 1144 | I never would have become a successful entrepreneur if I couldn't learn to self-soothe. | 如果我不能学会自慰 我永远不会成为一个成功的企业家。 |
| 1145 | And at one point, that was what I would have said was my secret power, that my secret power in business was I can self-soothe faster than anybody else. | 有一次,我本来会说,这就是我的秘密力量, 我的秘密力量在商业上是,我可以比任何人 都快地自我撒尿。 |
| 1146 | You're like you can self-heal. | 尔时如来能自修. |
| 1147 | Like Wolverine. | 像狼一样 |
| 1148 | Yes. | 对 |
| 1149 | Well said. | 说得好 |
| 1150 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1151 | I have to start bringing out the comic book references. | 我得开始提出漫画参考书 |
| 1152 | I loved it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 1153 | No, it's true. | 不,这是真的。 |
| 1154 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1155 | And that is such a beautiful quality because it's so funny you said that because we used to do exactly the same thing with sex as monks. | 这是这么漂亮的品质,因为它是如此有趣 你这样说,因为我们曾经做 完全一样的事情与和尚。 |
| 1156 | That's interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 1157 | Because every time you have the thought of sex, which was opposing to the celibate lifestyle that we've chosen to think of, the natural thing would be obviously to entertain it. | 因为每当你对性的想法, 也就是反对我们选择的 独身的生活方式, 自然的事情显然是去娱乐它。 |
| 1158 | Right. | 对 |
| 1159 | That's a very natural thought to go down because everyone's had experiences before. | 这是一个非常自然的想法 下去,因为每个人都有以前的经验。 |
| 1160 | The other thought that you can go down is no, that's bad. | 另一种想法是,你可以下去是没有,这是不好的。 |
| 1161 | Don't think about that. | 别想那个 |
| 1162 | Oh, my God. | 须菩提. |
| 1163 | And you start criticizing yourself, start beating yourself up. | 你开始批评自己,开始打自己。 |
| 1164 | You start feeling guilty because you're surrounded by monks and like, oh, my God, everyone's so pure and I'm so impure. | 你开始觉得内疚是因为你被僧侣包围了, 就像,哦,我的上帝,每个人都是如此的纯洁,我是如此的不洁。 |
| 1165 | And then that's another rabbit hole that you can go down, which I've done too. | 然后这是另一个兔子洞 你可以下去, 我已经做了。 |
| 1166 | And then the third one you go down is just the feeling of, oh, no, actually, let me use this as a springboard, as a launch pad to find the next thing I need to find or to switch that door into something positive or to switch that door. | 然后第三个你下去只是感觉, 哦,不,实际上,让我用这个做跳板, 做一个发射台, 来找到我需要找到的下一个东西, 或者把门切换成正面的东西, 或者把门切换。 |
| 1167 | And we were always taught about how sexual energy could be used as enthusiasm for service. | 人们总是教我们如何将性能量用作服务热情。 |
| 1168 | And the more that it was transferred and transformed, the more it could be used for that. | 越是转移和改造,就越能用于此目的. |
| 1169 | Because, I mean, that energy is what creates the planet. | 因为,我的意思是, 能量是创造地球的。 |
| 1170 | Right. | 对 |
| 1171 | So it's like the amount of creativity that sits in that energy is so high that you can kind of inject that into a baby, a project. | 所以,这就像大量的创造力 坐在这种能量是如此高, 你可以注入到一个婴儿,一个项目。 |
| 1172 | You can do so many things with it. | 你可以用它做这么多事情。 |
| 1173 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1174 | So, no, it's fascinating that you said that. | 所以,不,这是令人着迷的 你说。 |
| 1175 | And I think everyone who's listening, Tom's just shared some, like, super practical advice. | 我想所有在听的人 汤姆只是分享了一些 超实用的建议 |
| 1176 | Like, that is so where I actually hearing that, I so believe that's where everyone should start, because that is a skill, even though it's not your superpower right now, that is a skill that's going to last you forever. | 喜欢,这就是我真正听到的, 我非常相信,这是每个人都应该开始的地方, 因为这是一个技能, 尽管它现在不是你的超能力, 这是一个技能,它会永远维持你。 |
| 1177 | For sure. | 当然 |
| 1178 | And it will apply to everything, whether you do business or relationships or whatever you're going to end up doing. | 它将适用于一切, 无论你做生意, 或关系, 或无论你最终会做什么。 |
| 1179 | That's like the one skill that's just self-healing, self-soothing. | 这就像一个技能 只是自愈,自慰。 |
| 1180 | For sure. | 当然 |
| 1181 | I love that. Thank you, man. That was amazing. | 我喜欢 谢谢 这是惊人的。 |
| 1182 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1183 | That's brilliant. That's the best I've ever heard it explained. | 真聪明 这是我听过的最好的解释 |
| 1184 | Genuinely, it's just, it was so clear. | 真的,它只是, 它是如此清晰。 |
| 1185 | And I really hope that everyone's going to go and do a bit of CBT, take a break, like, go and learn this skill. | 我真的希望每个人都会去 做一些CBT, 休息,喜欢,去学习这种技能。 |
| 1186 | And we take it for granted. | 我们认为这是理所当然的。 |
| 1187 | And it's like, yeah, I meditate for 10 minutes a day now. | 这就像,是的,我每天沉思10分钟。 |
| 1188 | And it's cool. | 且道清凉. |
| 1189 | I'm not criticizing anyone who does 10 minutes a day, but I'm like, if you really want that benefit that Tom's talking about, it's going to take a bit more effort. | 我不是在批评任何人 谁每天做10分钟, 但我喜欢,如果你真的想要 这个好处 汤姆谈论的, |
| 1190 | Oh, yes. | 对 |
| 1191 | And take a bit more work. | 再多做点工作 |
| 1192 | And constantly, and it never goes away. | 并不断,它永远不会消失。 |
| 1193 | It does get easier, for sure. | 它确实变得更容易,当然。 |
| 1194 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 1195 | But because it becomes your default reaction, but it's never going to go away. | 但因为它成为你的默认反应, 但永远不会消失。 |
| 1196 | And people used to ask me like, oh, how do you get rid of the negative voice? | 人们总是问我, 哦,你怎么摆脱负面的声音? |
| 1197 | I'm like, I don't know that you want to. | и稱 иぃ笵稱璶 |
| 1198 | Like, the negative voice is a powerful reminder to practice gratitude. | 像,负面的声音是强大的提醒 练习感谢。 |
| 1199 | It's also a good reminder that maybe something is wrong. | 这也是很好的提醒,也许有些事情是错的。 |
| 1200 | Maybe you are doing something wrong and you should adjust and you should rethink. | 也许你做错什么了 你应该调整 重新思考 |
| 1201 | I was just about to say that sometimes your negative voice is what protects you sometimes. | 我只是想说,有时你的负面声音 是保护你有时。 |
| 1202 | Not all the time, but there can be times when it's protected. | 并不是所有的时间,但有时可以保护它. |
| 1203 | In fact, I'll say it like this. | 事实上,我会这么说的 |
| 1204 | It probably does protect you all of the time, but it's so repetitive that you touch this issue and now we're into the 9000 replay of this. | 它可能一直保护你, 但是它是如此重复 你触摸这个问题, 现在我们进入了9000重播这个。 |
| 1205 | That's where it becomes stupid. | 这就是它变得愚蠢。 |
| 1206 | And so the one thing, yep, cool, got it. | 所以只有一件事,是的,冷静,得到了它。 |
| 1207 | I do need to work on that. | 我确实需要努力。 |
| 1208 | You're absolutely right. | 你说得对 |
| 1209 | And then just letting it go, right? | 然后就放弃了 对吧? |
| 1210 | And not clinging onto it, not beating yourself up over it and all that stuff. | 不要紧紧抓住它, 不要在它和所有的东西上打自己。 |
| 1211 | But it has a use, which is why it's so powerfully with us. | 但它有其用, 这就是为什么它是如此强大的与我们。 |
| 1212 | I always get more fascinated by how much we are aligned on so many things. | 我总是更着迷于我们有多少 团结在这么多的事情上。 |
| 1213 | Because when we first met, I remember it could have been opposite. | 因为当我们第一次见面时 我记得可能是相反的 |
| 1214 | Because same with that, with the thought, I was like, you never get rid of the negative thought. | 因为同样的,我的想法,就像, 你从来没有摆脱负面的想法。 |
| 1215 | You only think about it for less time. | 你只考虑少一点时间 |
| 1216 | Right. | 对 |
| 1217 | The Roger Banister four minute mile. | 罗杰班尼斯特四分钟远 |
| 1218 | I always use that analogy because it's everyone always believed that it took over four minutes to run a mile. | 我总是用这种类比,因为大家都认为跑一英里要花4分钟。 |
| 1219 | And then one person breaks and then from then everyone breaks it. | 然后一个人打破 然后每个人打破它。 |
| 1220 | So crazy. | 太疯狂了 |
| 1221 | And so all that changed was when you run a mile, maybe someone's going to do it in a second one day. | 所以一切都改变了 当你跑一英里, 也许有一天有人会做到这一点。 |
| 1222 | Maybe. | 也许 |
| 1223 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 1224 | It could be possible. | 这是可能的。 |
| 1225 | But the point is that it will always be for some time. | 但问题是,这永远是一段时间。 |
| 1226 | You can just make it less time. | 你可以少点时间 |
| 1227 | Right. | 对 |
| 1228 | You can't get rid of it. | 不能除灭. |
| 1229 | And I think that's the problem. | 我想这就是问题所在 |
| 1230 | We're trying to get rid of stuff. | 我们试图摆脱的东西。 |
| 1231 | You can't get rid of negative thoughts with these tools that Tom's been sharing. | 用汤姆一直分享的这些工具是无法消除负面想法的. |
| 1232 | Just find a way to let it sit in your brain for less time. | 只要想办法让它在你的大脑里坐着少点时间 |
| 1233 | Awesome. | 厉害 |
| 1234 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 1235 | And you brought up this and I'm glad you did about you being insanely grateful for your relationship. | 你提起这个 我很高兴你对你的感情 感到非常感激 |
| 1236 | I want to dive into relationship because I don't think you get to talk much about on interviews about relationships. | 我想潜入恋情,因为我不认为 你可以谈论很多关于恋情的采访。 |
| 1237 | No, hardly ever. | 不,几乎没有。 |
| 1238 | And my audience loves relationship based content. | 我的观众喜欢基于关系的内容。 |
| 1239 | So I really want to get into it for the last kind of the last mile of our interview is really going to your advice on relationships. | 所以,我真的很想进入到它的最后一种 我们采访的最后一英里 是真正去给你的建议 关于关系。 |
| 1240 | I've seen you and Lisa together. | 我见过你和丽莎在一起 |
| 1241 | I love the relationship that you have. | 我喜欢你们的关系 |
| 1242 | Whenever I watch you both on relationship theory, I learn a lot from it personally, which I find fascinating. | 每当我看着你们两个在关系理论上, 我从它身上学到了很多东西, 我觉得这很有趣。 |
| 1243 | Like, I really love hearing you guys talk about relationship because you've been together for so long. | 我喜欢听你们谈恋爱 因为你们在一起太久了 |
| 1244 | How long has it been now? | 多长时间了? |
| 1245 | 18 years. | 18岁 |
| 1246 | Congratulations. | 祝贺你 |
| 1247 | It's incredible. | 不可思议. |
| 1248 | You both look so young. | 你们俩看起来都很年轻 |
| 1249 | So it's kind of hard for me to get together early. | 所以我很难早点见面 |
| 1250 | I know. | 我知道,我记得 |
| 1251 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1252 | It's a thing. | 这是一件事。 |
| 1253 | But 18 years. | 但是18岁 |
| 1254 | It's incredible. | 不可思议. |
| 1255 | It美'. | |
| 1256 | And it's real. | 而为实相. |
| 1257 | Let's start with people who are in relationships, struggling with what? | 让我们从那些在交往中挣扎着的人开始? |
| 1258 | Actually, let's start there. | 实际上,让我们从那里开始。 |
| 1259 | What do you think are the top three things that people in relationships struggle with? | 你认为在关系上的人 面对的前三件事是什么? |
| 1260 | Communication. | 沟通. |
| 1261 | Yes. | 对 |
| 1262 | Communication. | 沟通. |
| 1263 | Communicate. | 沟通. |
| 1264 | I mean, that really is what it comes down to. | 我的意思是,这真的是它来的原因。 |
| 1265 | It's things, though, that to not cheat you out of some more answers. | 事情,虽然, 不欺骗你 一些更多的答案。 |
| 1266 | It's communication in ways that they're not really thinking about. | 这是沟通的方式 他们没有真正思考。 |
| 1267 | So one, defining terms. | 所以,一个,定义术语。 |
| 1268 | So we all come to a relationship with expectations about how we think people should act. | 因此,我们都开始与我们期望人们如何行动的关系。 |
| 1269 | And unfortunately, we don't recognize our expectations as expectations. | 不幸的是,我们不承认我们的期望是期望。 |
| 1270 | We recognize them as truth. | 我们承认他们是事实。 |
| 1271 | This is how the world is. | 世界就是这样 |
| 1272 | It is how the world should be. | 世界应该如此。 |
| 1273 | And when somebody, we think that they have those same beliefs and values and rules and all that. | 而当有人,我们认为 他们有同样的信仰和价值 和规则等等。 |
| 1274 | And so given this scenario, there's only one way to act that is certainly obvious. | 因此,考虑到这种情况,只有一个方法可以明显地采取行动。 |
| 1275 | And so when the person doesn't act like that, we take it personally. | 所以,当这个人不这样做, 我们把它个人。 |
| 1276 | Whoa, do you not respect me? | 哇,你不尊重我吗? |
| 1277 | Do you not love me? | 你不爱我吗? |
| 1278 | Do you not care about me? | 你不关心我吗? |
| 1279 | And it just isn't that. | 事实并非如此。 |
| 1280 | They have a different set of beliefs and rules. | 他们有一套不同的信仰和规则。 |
| 1281 | There's enough nuance difference that they're not, if they're intending to hurt you, you have a whole different set of problems. | 足够细微的区别是 他们没有, 如果他们打算伤害你, 你有一个完全不同的问题。 |
| 1282 | But assuming that they're not intending to hurt you, then you have a communication problem. | 但是假设他们不打算伤害你 那你就有一个沟通问题了 |
| 1283 | So Lisa and I actually define our terms. | 所以我和丽莎实际上定义了我们的条件。 |
| 1284 | So we have a few words in our marriage that they mean something. | 所以我们的婚姻中有些话是有意义的 |
| 1285 | So if I say, hey, baby, it's important to me that you leave that glass of water on the table, then she just wouldn't move it. | 所以如果我说,嘿,宝贝, 这对我来说很重要,你把水杯留在桌上, 然后她只是不会移动它。 |
| 1286 | Period. | 期间。 |
| 1287 | Simple as like the word important like comes in all caps with exclamation points glowing red. | 就像重要字一样简单 就像所有盖子里都有感叹点 闪耀着红色 |
| 1288 | Like that's like when we say it, like it's a drop, whatever you're doing, like it's important that you do X, Y, or Z. | 就像我们说的时候一样, 就像是滴水一样,不管你在做什么, 就像你做X,Y,或者Z很重要一样. |
| 1289 | Now, the big thing is when you define a word like that, you can't ever abuse it. | 现在,最重要的事情是 当你定义这样的词, 你不能滥用它。 |
| 1290 | So like I would never say it's important to me that you leave it. | 所以,我永远不会说 这对我很重要 你离开它。 |
| 1291 | So it's got to be just extraordinary. | 所以,它必须是非常的。 |
| 1292 | Like how many times do I tell her something's important in a year? | 比如说一年中我要告诉她多少次重要的事? |
| 1293 | I don't know, six, seven times in a year. | 我不知道,一年有六,七次了。 |
| 1294 | So it's like it's really got to be limited. | 故如实得受限. |
| 1295 | And then another one is promise. | 然后另一个是承诺。 |
| 1296 | If I say I promise I'm going to do that, dude, I'm going to do that. | 如果我说,我保证我会做到这一点,伙计,我会做到这一点。 |
| 1297 | Like there's no two ways about it. | 如无二法. |
| 1298 | So you never throw around promise ever under any circumstance. | 所以,你从来没有放弃承诺 在任何情况下。 |
| 1299 | And so, dude, it's like you really, really have to be hardcore. | 所以,伙计,这就像你 真的,真的, 必须是硬核。 |
| 1300 | And the other way that we use promise is if she says, you know, how does this dress look on me? | 而另一种方式,我们使用的承诺是 如果她说,你知道, 这裙子怎么看我? |
| 1301 | I'm like, yeah, it looks great. | 我很喜欢,是的,它看起来很棒。 |
| 1302 | And she's like, you promise? | 她喜欢,你保证? |
| 1303 | Then it's like, all right, all right, it makes you look fat. | 然后它就像,好吧,好吧, 它让你看起来胖。 |
| 1304 | What can I say? | 我能说什么? |
| 1305 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 1306 | It's like, but then you cut to like the chase on something. | 这就像,但你切 喜欢追逐的东西。 |
| 1307 | Now, the thing is you can't say that all the time. | 问题是你不能一直这么说 |
| 1308 | You can't be like, how does this dress make me look? | 你不能这样,这裙子怎么让我看起来? |
| 1309 | Fine, promise. | 好吧,答应。 |
| 1310 | But if you think of this dinner, you like it. | 但是如果你想到这个晚餐, 你喜欢它。 |
| 1311 | Yeah, I love it. | 是啊,我喜欢它。 |
| 1312 | Promise. | 我保证 |
| 1313 | Like if you're doing that, it loses everything. | 就像你这样做, 它失去了一切。 |
| 1314 | But if you're saving it for like, in fact, God, I almost don't remember the last time I asked Lisa to promise something like that. | 但是如果你把它保存起来,事实上,上帝,我几乎不记得上次我叫丽莎答应类似的事情. |
| 1315 | But you know that you have and we certainly use it more in the early days of our marriage. | 但是你知道你有 而且我们结婚初期会多用它 |
| 1316 | But even then, like how many times a year? | 但即使这样,像多少次一年? |
| 1317 | Three or four? | 三四个? |
| 1318 | I mean, it's like, but it really forces you to respect these things you make sacred in your relationship. | 我的意思是,这就像,但它真的迫使你尊重 这些东西 你做了神圣的 你的关系。 |
| 1319 | And I'm just being honest, even when it sucks, because let me tell you how many times it's going to be where if you just lied, oh, God, it would be so much easier and you would probably get away with it. | 我只是实话实说,即使它很烂, 因为让我告诉你,要是你撒谎,那会是多少次, 哦,上帝,那会容易得多,你可能会逃脱。 |
| 1320 | And but it the way that I explain lying to people is you get away with it 50% of the time. | 但我向人们解释谎言的方式是 你半途而废 |
| 1321 | And so it tempts you to think it's a good strategy. | 所以它诱使你认为这是个很好的策略。 |
| 1322 | But the other 50% of the time, it is cratering trust. | 但另外50%的时间, 它正在破坏信任。 |
| 1323 | And once you can't trust the person, all hope is lost. | 一旦你不信任这个人,所有的希望就都丧失了. |
| 1324 | And there's nothing more beautiful than being in a relationship with somebody who makes you feel like they're your number. | 没有什么比跟一个 让你觉得自己是你的号码的人交往更美了 |
| 1325 | They're number one and that you totally trust them. | 他们是第一 而你完全相信他们 |
| 1326 | And Lisa wrote this Instagram post about how she could see a photo of me with my arm around a woman or resting my head or hugging her or whatever. | Lisa写了一篇Instagram的文章, 讲述她如何看到我的照片 用我的手臂环绕着一个女人 或休息我的头 或者拥抱她什么的。 |
| 1327 | And she it wouldn't even make her radar to question it. | 她甚至不会让雷达质疑它。 |
| 1328 | So that's the fun for us is having that level of trust. | 因此,这是乐趣 对我们来说,有这样的信任水平。 |
| 1329 | Now, it's like I think it's Buffett that said you spend your entire life building your reputation only takes five seconds to lose it. | 现在,我想是巴菲特说 你花了一辈子的时间 造就了你的名声 |
| 1330 | So it's like we're so careful. | 所以,这就像我们如此小心。 |
| 1331 | We for 18 years, we've been earning trust with each other. | 我们18年来一直互相信任 |
| 1332 | So like, dude, so especially when I was back at Quest and it was women would come and flirt and hit on me because they wanted something and wanted to be sponsored by the company or whatever. | 特别是当我回到Quest的时候 女人会来挑逗我 因为他们想得到公司赞助 |
| 1333 | And I was around bikini literal bikini models like all the time. | 我总是在比基尼的字面比基尼模型周围 |
| 1334 | And so if ever there was going to be a moment of insecurity for my wife, it would have been that period. | 所以,如果有 任何一分钟的不安全感 我的妻子,这将是那个时期。 |
| 1335 | A, she wasn't insecure. | A,她不是没有安全感。 |
| 1336 | And B, the thought of throwing away 18 years of shared experience of all that trust, everything it's sex is like rad and super exciting. | 和B, 放弃18年的 共同经验 这一切的信任, 一切它的性像 rad和超刺激。 |
| 1337 | And I love it the most. | 我最爱它。 |
| 1338 | But like compared to what I would have to give up for something like that, it just doesn't rate on the radar. | 但比起我不得不放弃的东西, 它只是没有在雷达上评分。 |
| 1339 | So and by the way, think something like I'm saying now, which most people would hide from their spouse. | 顺便说一句,想想我现在所说的, 大多数人会躲在自己的配偶身边。 |
| 1340 | Oh, yeah, of course I find other people attractive. | 哦,是的,我当然觉得其他人有吸引力。 |
| 1341 | What are you talking about? | 你在说什么? |
| 1342 | Like we just openly talk about that. | 就像我们只是公开谈论。 |
| 1343 | Like she'll nudge me and be like, oh my God, don't you think she's hot? | 就像她会逼我一样,天啊,你不觉得她很性感吗? |
| 1344 | It's like that's just we set up early on in the relationship to be aggressively ourselves. | 感觉就像我们很早就在感情中 建立起来的 是为了积极自我 |
| 1345 | And one thing that we both were really honest about was I was like, look, it is human nature. | 有件事我们都很诚实,那就是,我说,这是人性的。 |
| 1346 | You are going to find other guys attractive and I will actually trust you more. | 你会发现其他男人的魅力 我将更信任你 |
| 1347 | If you admit when you find somebody attractive, then if you say something stupid like I only have eyes for you. | 如果你承认你发现某人有魅力, 那么如果你说一些愚蠢的事, 像我只有眼睛看到你。 |
| 1348 | Oh, really? | 是吗? |
| 1349 | You're the only human in all of history to like, you know, transcend their human nature like it doesn't make sense. | 你是历史上唯一喜欢的人,你知道, 超越他们的人类本性 像它没有道理。 |
| 1350 | And then that's a super fragile place to me because what happens if I get older? | 那对我来说是一个非常脆弱的地方 因为如果我变老会怎样? |
| 1351 | What happens if I get injured or scarred? | 如果我受伤或伤疤怎么办? |
| 1352 | Like then I'm really supposed to believe that suddenly you're more attracted to somebody with a scar than somebody without like it doesn't make sense. | 就像那时,我真的应该相信,突然间,你更吸引 一个有疤痕的人而不是一个没有象它一样有意义。 |
| 1353 | So we all live in this fragile bubble of well, as long as they lie to me, it's OK. | 所以我们都生活在这个脆弱的泡沫中 只要他们对我撒谎,就没事了。 |
| 1354 | And as long as I'm willing to believe. | 只要我愿意相信的话 |
| 1355 | And even though secretly I know it's a lie and then it's the more pious than now, like, oh my God, she's thinking all these nice things about me. | 尽管我秘密地知道这是谎言 然后它比现在更虔诚, 就像,哦,我的上帝, 她一直在想所有这些美好的事情 关于我。 |
| 1356 | But I'm actually finding other people attractive and I'm just lying about it. | 但我真的发现其他人有吸引力 我只是在撒谎 |
| 1357 | And so then you're like, wait, if I'm lying about it, is she lying about it? | 所以你就想,等等,如果我在撒谎,她在撒谎吗? |
| 1358 | And so it just it erodes all that trust. | 所以它只会侵蚀所有的信任。 |
| 1359 | So from the jump, we were like, look, you're going to find other people attractive. | 因此,从跳跃,我们一样,你看, 你会发现其他人有吸引力。 |
| 1360 | I'm going to find other people attractive. | 我会发现其他人的吸引力。 |
| 1361 | But let me introduce you to this magical word called commitment. | 但让我向你们介绍这个神奇的词,叫做承诺。 |
| 1362 | Now, I'm with you because I love you, because I respect you, but I'm also with you because I'm committed to you. | 现在,我和你在一起,是因为我爱你,因为我尊重你,但是我也和你在一起,因为我致力于你. |
| 1363 | And so you don't have to worry that I'm going to be looking over my shoulder for a more attractive woman. | 所以你不必担心 我会在肩上寻找一个更有魅力的女人 |
| 1364 | There are going to be more attractive women than you for sure, especially as you age. | 肯定有比你更有魅力的女人 尤其是你年纪大的时候 |
| 1365 | Who the fuck cares? | 谁他妈的在乎? |
| 1366 | You're my wife. | 你是我太太,你是谁? |
| 1367 | We have shared an experience. | 我们分享了经验。 |
| 1368 | We've shared a life. | 我们分享了生活 |
| 1369 | We've built this around each other. | 我们一起建造的 |
| 1370 | And commitment means something to me going back to having that code that you live by and the rules and the code that I live by. | 承诺对我来说意味着一些东西 回到拥有你所生存的代码 以及我所生存的规则和代码。 |
| 1371 | I'm never going to betray that. | 我不会背叛的 |
| 1372 | So it's like we've always said I may break up with you one day because I'm not saying that like, oh, there's nothing you could do that would make me break up with you. | 所以,就像我们一直说,我也许有一天会跟你分手, 因为我没有说,像,哦,你什么也不能做,那会让我跟你分手。 |
| 1373 | For sure there is. | 当然有 |
| 1374 | But I'm never going to cheat on you. | 但我永远不会欺骗你。 |
| 1375 | I may come and say I'm breaking up with you because I'm going to go have sex with somebody else, but I'm absolutely not going to go have sex with somebody behind your back. | 我可能会说我要跟你分手 因为我要去跟别人做爱 但我绝对不会在你背后跟别人上床 |
| 1376 | Never going to happen. | 永远不会发生。 |
| 1377 | So like having that trust and knowing who the other person is, like all that stuff is super meaningful. | 所以,像有这种信任 和知道 谁是另一个人, 像所有这些东西 是超级有意义的。 |
| 1378 | And look, there's just more and more and more stuff, but those are some big ones. | 你看,只是有越来越多的东西, 但这些是一些大的。 |
| 1379 | Yeah, I love those. | 是的,我喜欢这些。 |
| 1380 | And it's nice to see that it's true. | 且喜见真如. |
| 1381 | I think when I hear you say it and I'm hoping that everyone who's listening when they hear you say it, they're just like, yeah, I want that. | 我想当我听到你这么说 我希望所有听到你这么说的人 |
| 1382 | And I get why it works as opposed to the hiding lies, white lies, whatever it is that we cover everything up with. | 我知道为什么它的工作原理 相对于隐藏的谎言, 白色的谎言, 不管它是什么,我们掩盖了一切。 |
| 1383 | I'm hoping it was like, yeah, that's what I want. | 我希望那是,是的,这就是我想要的。 |
| 1384 | And I think one of the reasons where I think people fumble and I want to get your thoughts on this is compatibility and what that means. | 我认为其中的一个原因 我认为人们会发疯 我想得到你对这个的想法 是兼容性的,那意味着什么。 |
| 1385 | Like there's so many studies about liking the same stuff, not liking the same stuff, having the same goals, not having the same goals. | 就像有很多关于喜欢相同的东西, 不喜欢相同的东西, 有相同的目标, 没有相同的目标。 |
| 1386 | Is it even about compatibility or is it something completely different? | 甚至是关于兼容性 还是完全不同的东西? |
| 1387 | It is very much about compatibility, but I think people fundamentally misunderstand compatibility. | 这在很大程度上涉及到兼容性, 但我认为人们从根本上误解了兼容性。 |
| 1388 | So you're never going to get one simple thing that says, oh, either opposites attract or they don't. | 所以,你永远不会得到一个简单的事情 说,哦, 要么相反吸引,要么他们不吸引。 |
| 1389 | The reason that this stuff is continuously debated is because there's some truth to both sides on certain metrics. | 之所以不断辩论这些东西,是因为在某些衡量标准上双方都有一些真理. |
| 1390 | Opposites do attract like my wife and I and conscientiousness. | 对立派的确吸引了像我和我妻子 以及良心 |
| 1391 | I have I'm like I think literally a two percent on the big five for conscientiousness. | 我有,我像我想 字面上百分之二 对于大五的良心。 |
| 1392 | I do not think through things, so I am very open. | 我不思考的事情, 所以我非常开放。 |
| 1393 | I'm high on openness. | 我很开放 |
| 1394 | I'm high on aggressiveness, so I'm always just out there trying, trying, trying. | 我对攻击性很感兴趣 所以我总是在外面尝试 尝试 尝试 |
| 1395 | And if things fail and I leave chaos in my wake, so be it. | 如果事情失败了,我离开 混乱在我的后,所以它。 |
| 1396 | My wife, on the other hand, really thinks through things. | 我的妻子,另一方面, 真正思考的事情。 |
| 1397 | So we work perfectly. | 我们的工作很完美 |
| 1398 | When it's something that needs to be fresh, spontaneous, like a business where you have to have somebody thinking of new stuff and pushing boundaries, then we need to lean on me. | 当它是需要新鲜的,自发的, 像一个生意,你必须有人 思考新的东西 和推动界限, 然后我们需要依赖我。 |
| 1399 | But when it's the finance side or it's planning a trip, we need somebody who's thinking through everything and can see the consequences. | 但是,当它是金融方面 或者它正在计划一个旅行, 我们需要一个人 谁思考的一切,并可以看到后果。 |
| 1400 | Now, here's where people get in trouble. | 现在,这里是人们遇到麻烦的地方. |
| 1401 | One person who, let's say like me, not being conscientious, they don't value the conscientious person. | 一个人,可以说,像我一样,没有良心,他们不重视良心的人. |
| 1402 | That's the problem. | 这就是问题所在。 |
| 1403 | It's not compatibility. | 这不是兼容性。 |
| 1404 | It's valuing it. | 其值'. |
| 1405 | So she and I are not compatible on it at all, which is a good thing in this particular instance. | 所以她和我完全不相容 这在具体情况下是件好事 |
| 1406 | But I value her. | 但我很重视她 |
| 1407 | She values me. | 她很重视我 |
| 1408 | And we talk openly about it. | 我们公开谈论它。 |
| 1409 | And we'll say, this is where you shine. | 我们要说,这就是你闪耀的地方。 |
| 1410 | I don't shine here. | 我不在这里发光。 |
| 1411 | And that, by the way, took me a long time. | 顺便说一句 这花了我很长时间 |
| 1412 | So for any guys out there who want to be better than their wife at everything, because you think that's the only way she's going to find you attractive, I can help you with that one. | 所以对于任何想在一切方面比妻子好的男人来说 因为你认为只有这样她才会发现你迷人 我可以帮你 |
| 1413 | It's just not true. | 这不是真的 |
| 1414 | And think about anybody that one, there's two things all of us humans like. | 想想谁,我们人类都喜欢两样东西 |
| 1415 | We like to be better than the people closest to us at things. | 我们喜欢在事物上比最接近我们的人更好。 |
| 1416 | It's fun to win. | 以胜为乐. |
| 1417 | And then, too, we really, truly want to have our areas of just like shining that we know in this relationship that you're going to want me to do. | 然后,我们真的真的想要 我们的领域就像光辉, 我们知道在这个关系中,你会希望我做。 |
| 1418 | And that's amazing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 1419 | And in that moment where you reveal vulnerability in yourself, I find you more attractive. | 在你暴露自己弱点的时刻 我发现你更有吸引力 |
| 1420 | So you've got we want to win. | 所以你有我们想要赢。 |
| 1421 | And we also love when people are vulnerable. | 我们也爱当人们是脆弱的。 |
| 1422 | So you put those two together. | 所以,你把这两个在一起。 |
| 1423 | And as long as both people have both the person who wants to win, then can also be vulnerable at times. | 只要两人都有想要赢的人,那么有时也会变得脆弱. |
| 1424 | Then you can have a really powerful marriage. | 然后你可以有一个非常强大的婚姻。 |
| 1425 | In the beginning, I would really frustrate her. | 一开始,我会让她很沮丧 |
| 1426 | And it really made me feel insecure because my wife is better at traditionally male things than I am. | 这真的让我感到不安全,因为我的妻子 比我更擅长传统的男性事物。 |
| 1427 | So she's better at spatial relationship. | 所以她比较擅长空间关系. |
| 1428 | She's better at organization. | 她更擅长组织 |
| 1429 | She's better at systems. | 她更擅长系统 |
| 1430 | And finally, I was just like, do you ever see the movie Daryl? | 最后,我只是想, 你看过电影达里尔? |
| 1431 | No, no, I got it. | 不,不,我来吧。 |
| 1432 | So good. | 这么好 |
| 1433 | It's about this kid. | 这是关于这个孩子。 |
| 1434 | And his mom is heartbroken because he's perfect because he's programmed to be perfect. | 他的妈妈很伤心 因为他很完美 因为他被编程得完美 |
| 1435 | And the father pulls him aside and is, look, sometimes people just need to be needed. | 父亲把他拉到一边,有时需要人 |
| 1436 | And I thought I saw that probably when I was eight. | 我以为我八岁时就看到了 |
| 1437 | And I was like, that's so powerful. | 我当时想,这太强大了。 |
| 1438 | And so with my wife, I had my Daryl moment where I realized, oh, my God, what am I thinking? | 和我的妻子,我有我的达里尔瞬间 我意识到,哦,我的上帝,我在想什么? |
| 1439 | She needs to be needed, like, which means I can't try to be better than her at everything. | 她需要,就像, 这意味着我不能尝试 比她在一切。 |
| 1440 | Like, let her shine, man. | 像,让她闪耀,男人。 |
| 1441 | Who doesn't want to shine? | 谁不欲发光. |
| 1442 | So finding that was real. | 所以,发现这是真实的。 |
| 1443 | But then there are things that I think from a deep value system, if you have a true collision of values, you're going to fight over it every time until you figure out how to deal with it. | 但有些东西我从一个深层的价值体系中思考, 如果你真的有价值的碰撞, 你每次都会去争夺它, 直到你找出如何处理它。 |
| 1444 | So like take and this goes back to conscientiousness. | 所以,像采取, 这回到良心。 |
| 1445 | I don't value cleanliness. | 我不重视清洁 |
| 1446 | And my wife does tremendously. | 我妻子也做得很厉害 |
| 1447 | And so it's like I see it as this just catastrophic waste of time. | 我认为这是灾难性的浪费时间。 |
| 1448 | And I'm like, oh, my God, when I think about what we're trying to build, like, this is crazy. | 我就像,哦,我的上帝, 当我想到我们想要建造的东西, 喜欢,这是疯狂的。 |
| 1449 | You're really going to make me like go pick up a dish. | 你真的会让我像去拿盘子一样 |
| 1450 | This is madness. | 这是疯狂的。 |
| 1451 | And so we collide over that over and over and over because no matter how much I look at her point of view from knowing that I'm all about do what moves you towards your goals, it doesn't make sense. | 所以,我们一遍又一遍地纠缠着它, 因为不管我从她的观点看多少, 从知道我在做什么 推动你的目标,这是没有道理的。 |
| 1452 | And so because we collide over that, we've just had to find a way to say, how do we deal with this? | 所以,因为我们碰撞了这一点, 我们只需要找到一个方法说, 我们如何处理这个? |
| 1453 | Because this is I'm not going to convince her. | 因为我不会说服她 |
| 1454 | She's not going to convince me. | 她不会说服我的 |
| 1455 | So knowing if you have a true collision of values, you're going to have to address it in behavior. | 所以,如果你真的有 数值碰撞, 你将不得不处理它的行为。 |
| 1456 | So you're going to have to address it in behavior. | 所以你必须用行为来解决它。 |
| 1457 | And then if you have a true collision of values at something deep and fundamental, that's where relationships fall apart. | 如果你在深层和根本的事物上 有真正的价值碰撞 那就是关系破裂的地方。 |
| 1458 | And then there's a whole lot of other things. | 然则有一大般之别. |
| 1459 | And this is one thing for great relationships. | 这对伟大的关系来说是一回事。 |
| 1460 | Have sex, have sex. | 做爱,做爱。 |
| 1461 | And I like the weird thing is in my personal life, I am not bashful about talking about sex in the slightest. | 我喜欢奇怪的事情 在我的个人生活中, 我并不羞耻地谈论性。 |
| 1462 | I will make your eyelashes curl back. | 我会让你的睫毛卷回。 |
| 1463 | But for some reason in my public persona, I'm really like a bit standoffish. | 但出于某种原因 我的公众人物, 我真的像 一个有点僵持。 |
| 1464 | It started because I was at Quest and I represented a brand and I really felt like I had to be super professional and respectful. | 它的开始是因为我在Quest, 我代表一个品牌, 我真的觉得我必须 超级专业和敬重。 |
| 1465 | And it's continued to carry on. | 并且一直延续下去. |
| 1466 | But having a hot sex life is so important. | 但性生活很热闹 |
| 1467 | Like people do not let yourself become your partner's roommate. | 就像人们不会让自己成为你搭档的室友一样 |
| 1468 | Like you have to spice it up. | 就像你要调味料一样 |
| 1469 | Yeah, that one is super important. | 是啊,那一个是超级重要。 |
| 1470 | And because especially males crave novelty, like you have to find a way to keep the relationship novel and exciting. | 尤其因为男性渴望新颖, 就像你必须找到一种方法来保持关系小说和激动人心。 |
| 1471 | And then you have to know how to keep a fire burning. | 然后你必须知道如何让火燃烧。 |
| 1472 | It's funny. | 这很有趣。 |
| 1473 | We actually used to teach people how to keep literal fires burning where it's like, OK, you stack the wood in such a way that oxygen can get in and you put the easier to burn stuff in the middle. | 我们曾经教人们如何把文字上的火烧起来, 就像,好吧,你把木头堆起来, 使氧气能够进入, 把更容易烧的东西放在中间。 |
| 1474 | It's called kindling. | 名为火种. |
| 1475 | And then you use something really flammable to light it. | 然后用很易燃的东西来点燃它。 |
| 1476 | And like we knew how to do it. | 就像我们知道怎么做 |
| 1477 | And then you feed the fire. | 然后供养火. |
| 1478 | And this is how you keep the oxygen going. | 这就是你如何保持氧气。 |
| 1479 | But we don't think of relationships the same way. | 但我们对关系的看法不同 |
| 1480 | But they take the same amount of constant care and attention. | 但是,他们也不断关注和关注。 |
| 1481 | But if you give them the same constant care and attention, it will stay that same raging inferno. | 但是,如果你给他们同样的 持续照顾和关注, 它会保持同样的暴风雪。 |
| 1482 | But you have to to do it. | 但你必须这样做。 |
| 1483 | You have to put the energy in. | 你必须把能量。 |
| 1484 | I love it, man. | 我喜欢它,男人。 |
| 1485 | If anyone wants more advice from Tom on relationships in relationship theory, check it out. | 如果有人想从汤姆那里得到更多关于关系理论的建议,请检查一下. |
| 1486 | It's definitely it's great to see you guys talk about it together. | 很高兴看到你们一起讨论这件事 |
| 1487 | I think it's really powerful. | 我觉得它真的很强大。 |
| 1488 | And I think especially with the busy lives we lead, the amount you travel, the man, your wife travels, the man, me and my wife travel. | 我特别想,我们过着繁忙的生活, 你旅行的数量, 男人,你的妻子旅行, 男人,我和我的妻子旅行。 |
| 1489 | It's so important to talk about these things, because in this entrepreneur hustle grind culture, being married men and for them being married women, it's so often just like kind of shoved to the side. | 谈论这些事情很重要, 因为在这个企业家 拼命的磨磨文化, 成为已婚的男子, 对于她们来说, 成为已婚妇女, 往往就像被推到一边。 |
| 1490 | And we find that so often that so many successful entrepreneurs end up having really broken marriages at home or broken lives and hence broken children and then just perpetuating the cycle all over again. | 我们发现,很多成功的企业家 往往最终 真正破碎的婚姻 或破碎的生活, 从而破碎的孩子, 然后再次延续整个循环。 |
| 1491 | So thank you, man. | 谢谢你,伙计。 |
| 1492 | Thank you for being a great example. | 谢谢你的榜样 |
| 1493 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1494 | Thanks for sharing it. | 谢谢你分享 |
| 1495 | All right. Final five. | 好吧,我们走。 最后五个 |
| 1496 | Always a final five questions. | 总是最后五个问题. |
| 1497 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 1498 | I love these kind of things. | 我喜欢这种东西 |
| 1499 | Yeah, I love them, too. | 是啊,我也爱他们。 |
| 1500 | You can try to be quick, but the ones I've chosen for you are deep, too. | 你可以尽量快, 但我为你选择的那些也是很深的。 |
| 1501 | So you can try and be quick. | 所以你可以试着快点 |
| 1502 | I'll give you quick and deep. | 便令速发深心. |
| 1503 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1504 | Quick and deep. | 速入深处. |
| 1505 | If you can be quick and deep. | 若能速发深心. |
| 1506 | That's it. | 就这样 |
| 1507 | The first one is you say you want to break people out of the matrix. | 第一个是你说你想把人从矩阵中解开 |
| 1508 | Yes. | 对 |
| 1509 | What is the matrix and how do you do it? | 什么是矩阵,你怎么做到的? |
| 1510 | The matrix is the limiting beliefs that everybody has that they mistake for the real world, not realizing that their assumptions and beliefs and rules and everything pass on. | 矩阵是每个人对现实世界的错误的有限信念,没有意识到他们的假设、信仰和规则以及一切的传承。 |
| 1511 | Mostly by your parents, but also by the society around you. | 主要是你父母,还有你周围的社会 |
| 1512 | So I want to pull people out by giving them an empowering mindset that lets them realize they can do anything they set their mind to. | 所以我想通过赋予人们一种赋予他们权力的心态, 让他们意识到他们可以做他们想做的事情。 |
| 1513 | You're doing it. | 你这样做。 |
| 1514 | Human potential, you say, is nearly limitless. | 你说人类的潜力几乎是无限的。 |
| 1515 | Every time you say that on one of your videos or the introductions. | 每次你在视频或介绍中这么说 |
| 1516 | And when I see them just like, what does he mean? | 当我看到他们一样, 他是什么意思? |
| 1517 | Like nearly limitless. | 像几乎无限。 |
| 1518 | And why nearly? | 为什么几乎? |
| 1519 | Here's the thing. | 事情是这样的 |
| 1520 | I've actually moved more towards just saying it's limitless. | 实际上我更倾向于说这是无限的。 |
| 1521 | The reason I said nearly, which is more true, by the way, we actually are limited. | 顺便说一句,我所说的原因几乎是事实,我们实际上很有限。 |
| 1522 | It doesn't do good to focus on our limitations. | 专注于我们的局限性是没用的. |
| 1523 | Most people gravitate towards their limitations. | 大多数人都倾向于自己的限制。 |
| 1524 | And I say nearly just because I don't want to get into stupid Internet debates about, yeah, walk off your roof and see if you can fly, Mr. | 我说这几乎只是因为我不想 进入愚蠢的互联网辩论 关于,是的,走出你的屋顶 看你能不能飞,先生。 |
| 1525 | Limitless. | 无限. |
| 1526 | Right. | 对 |
| 1527 | So you'll get dumb stuff like that. | 所以你会得到愚蠢的东西 像这样。 |
| 1528 | And I just don't want to deal with that. | 我只是不想面对这个 |
| 1529 | So my thing is you can do anything you set your mind to without limitation. | 所以,我的事情是,你可以做任何事情 你让你的头脑没有限制。 |
| 1530 | 即说 lie言. | |
| 1531 | But we do it anyway. | 但我们还是这样做。 |
| 1532 | Right. | 对 |
| 1533 | So like my belief system, literally, I wrote it out. | 就像我的信仰系统一样, 我写了出来。 |
| 1534 | It's called the impact theory belief system. | 这被称为撞击理论信仰体系. |
| 1535 | You can download it. | 你可以下载它。 |
| 1536 | Impact theory dot com. | 影响理论点COM. |
| 1537 | And it actually has a call and answer. | 它实际上有一个呼叫和答案。 |
| 1538 | So it's like you can do anything you set your mind to. | 所以,这就像你可以做任何事情,你决定。 |
| 1539 | Number four. | 四号. |
| 1540 | Number five. | 五号 |
| 1541 | Number four is a lie. | 第四是虚妄. |
| 1542 | But we do and believe that which moves us towards our goals. | 但是,我们确实相信,这促使我们朝着我们的目标前进。 |
| 1543 | So it's like you're going to make more of the right decisions. | 所以,这就像你会做出更多的正确的决定。 |
| 1544 | If you believe that you're limitless, then you will. | 如果你相信自己是无限的,那么你会的。 |
| 1545 | If you're just a glasses half empty, always seeing the way things can't be done. | 如果你只是一个杯子半空, 总是看到事情无法完成的方式。 |
| 1546 | Nice. | 不错 |
| 1547 | What's the best advice you've ever given that I've ever given to read the book mindset? | 你给我的最好的建议是什么 我读过书的心态? |
| 1548 | Oh, nice. | 不错 |
| 1549 | That will change your life. | 这将改变你的生活。 |
| 1550 | If you read it and do it and live accordingly, truly, it's the most important book in the | 如果你读了它,做它, 生活相应,真的,这是最重要的书 |
| 1551 | English language. | 英语。 |
| 1552 | Nice. | 不错 |
| 1553 | Beautiful. | 美丽 |
| 1554 | What's the worst advice you've ever given I've ever given? | 你给我的最坏建议是什么? |
| 1555 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1556 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 1557 | I've given my share. | 我给了我那份 |
| 1558 | What is bad advice? | 坏建议是什么? |
| 1559 | I said something recently. | 我最近说了些话 |
| 1560 | This probably isn't the worst, but just thinking of it fast. | 这也许不是最糟的,只是想得很快 |
| 1561 | It was an Instagram post that said something like, don't point out a flaw unless you have | 是Instagram的一篇文章 说了些类似的话 除非你有 |
| 1562 | the answer. | 答案是: 答案吗? |
| 1563 | That's pretty bad advice. | 这是相当坏的建议。 |
| 1564 | You should speak up. | 你应该说出来。 |
| 1565 | What I meant was don't just bitch, which is what most people do. | 我的意思是不要只是婊子, 这是大多数人做的。 |
| 1566 | Be solution oriented. | 面向解决方案。 |
| 1567 | But the way I said it would lead to bad behavior. | 但我所说的方式会导致不良行为. |
| 1568 | And what superpower are you trying to get right now? | 你现在想得到什么超能力? |
| 1569 | Oh, that I'm trying to get. | 哦,我试图得到。 |
| 1570 | I know you've thought of that. | 我知道你已经想到了。 |
| 1571 | What superpower am I trying to develop right now? | 我现在想发展什么样的超能力? |
| 1572 | I am so focused on leadership, but that's like when I say terrifying clarity, when people | 我如此专注于领导, 但就像当我说恐怖的清晰度, 当人们 |
| 1573 | say, oh, leadership is like which aspect. | 说,哦,领导就像哪个方面。 |
| 1574 | So I will say that I'm trying to understand people's fundamental personality in real time | 所以我会说,我试图 理解人们的基本人格 实时 |
| 1575 | and let that actually influence the way that I communicate with them instead of just communicating | 让这真正影响 我与他们沟通的方式 而不是仅仅沟通 |
| 1576 | at a high level using my normal what would work on me. | 高水平地用我的正常方法来对付我 |
| 1577 | And oddly enough, I think I'm actually pretty bad at that. | 奇怪的是,我觉得我确实很不擅长 |
| 1578 | So this is something that I'm really trying to get great at. | 所以,这是我真的 试图得到伟大的。 |
| 1579 | Nice. | 不错 |
| 1580 | That was the final five. | 这是最后五个。 |
| 1581 | You were quick and deep. | 你动作很快,很深 |
| 1582 | That was impressive, man. | 真让人印象深刻 |
| 1583 | I was impressive. | 我很厉害 |
| 1584 | Let's let's talk. | 让我们谈谈。 |
| 1585 | And just before we finish up, I just want to talk about your future. | 在我们完成之前 我只想谈谈你的未来 |
| 1586 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1587 | Everything else that you've got coming up just because I think just the fact that your you | 所有你需要的东西 因为我觉得你 |
| 1588 | inspire me because you literally lead every life you want. | 激励我,因为你 字面上领导每一个你想要的生活。 |
| 1589 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 1590 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1591 | And I think that's a beautiful thing that inspires me to like when people are like, | 我觉得这是件美妙的事 激励我喜欢人们喜欢 |
| 1592 | well, where do you want to go now? | 你现在想去哪儿? |
| 1593 | I'm kind of like, I want to do this and that and this and that. | 我有点喜欢, 我想做这个,这个,这个,那个。 |
| 1594 | And not that I'm going to do all at the same time. | 我也不会同时做所有的事 |
| 1595 | But I do believe that we live in this beautiful world where you don't have to choose your | 但我相信我们生活在一个美丽的世界里 你不必选择自己的 |
| 1596 | title anymore. | 标题。 |
| 1597 | You don't have to if you don't want to. | 若无心者不须. |
| 1598 | Right. | 对 |
| 1599 | Crazy. | 疯了 |
| 1600 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1601 | This world is changing so fast. | 这个世界变化如此之快 |
| 1602 | It is. | 没错 |
| 1603 | But yeah, people are like, what do you do to me? | 但是,是的,人们喜欢, 你对我做什么? |
| 1604 | And I don't know what to say. | 且道无语. |
| 1605 | Like I don't even know how to describe it in a good way. | 就像我甚至不知道如何用一个好的方式描述它。 |
| 1606 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1607 | As in I'm glad that I can't put a title on it. | 我很高兴我不能给它写一个标题 |
| 1608 | So let's talk about a bit about neon future because I'm excited by it. | 让我们来谈谈霓虹灯的未来 因为我对此很兴奋 |
| 1609 | It looks awesome. | 它看起来真棒。 |
| 1610 | You've been talking about it lots. | 你一直在谈论它很多。 |
| 1611 | You've been showing it everywhere, sharing it everywhere. | 你到处展示 到处分享 |
| 1612 | Let's let's talk about it. | 师便打曰. |
| 1613 | So neon future is a comic book that we plan to turn into film or TV. | 因此,霓虹未来是一本漫画,我们计划改编成电影或电视. |
| 1614 | And this started with me asking the no bullshit question. | 从我问起这个没有废话的问题 |
| 1615 | What would it take to give somebody an empowering mindset that is actively antagonistic to it? | 给一个人一个积极反对它的赋予权力的心态需要什么? |
| 1616 | I thought, God, how would you do that? | 我想,上帝,你会怎么做? |
| 1617 | And the reality is that the way that humans formulate their beliefs that lead them to act | 现实是人类形成信仰的方式 导致他们采取行动 |
| 1618 | in a certain way is always narrative. | 从某种意义上来说,总是有叙事性的。 |
| 1619 | The story they tell themselves, the stories that they incorporate from where they grow up. | 他们自述的故事, 他们从成长的地方吸收的故事。 |
| 1620 | And again, this is one of those things we mistake it for truth. | 再说一遍,这是我们错误地认为真相之一。 |
| 1621 | We just think I'm not telling myself a story. | и琌谋眔и⊿Τ弧珿ㄆ |
| 1622 | Money is money. | 钱就是钱 |
| 1623 | No, money is a story. | 不,钱是一个故事。 |
| 1624 | And the second we all stop believing in that story, it will fall apart and be totally meaningless. | 一旦我们不再相信这个故事, 它就会分崩离析,完全毫无意义。 |
| 1625 | And once you understand that you're telling yourself stories on that same kind of like it seems | 一旦你明白你在跟自己讲故事 那种感觉 |
| 1626 | self evidently true level, but it's really a made up story that you could shift and change at any time. | 自我显然是正确的水平, 但这是一个编造的故事, 你可以随时改变和改变。 |
| 1627 | So I thought, OK, well, if the way that humans assimilate truly disruptive information is through | 所以我想,好吧,如果人类吸收 真正破坏性的信息的方式是 |
| 1628 | narrative, then I'm going to be playing the game of narrative and getting in and looking at | 然后我要玩叙事游戏 然后进去看 |
| 1629 | mythology, which is why earlier I said Jordan Peterson's book, The Maps of Meaning is just | 传说,这就是为什么我早些时候说 乔丹・彼得森的书, 意义地图只是 |
| 1630 | extraordinary. | 非常特别 |
| 1631 | 他说他基本上在接Joseph Campbell留下的 | |
| 1632 | Myth, which is what Star Wars was wasn't based on. | 神话,这就是"星球大战"所没有的根据. |
| 1633 | But it was like the George Lucas went to. | 但就像乔治・卢卡斯去。 |
| 1634 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 1635 | 去Joseph Campbell说 帮我说说最终英雄的旅程 | |
| 1636 | Now, the hero's journey is the story that across cultures, even before they met, they were all | 现在,英雄的旅程是一个故事, 跨文化, 即使他们遇见之前,他们都是 |
| 1637 | telling the same story in different guises. | 以不同的伪装说出同样的故事. |
| 1638 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 1639 | How is that possible for every culture to tell the same mythology? | 这怎么可能让每个文化都说出同样的神话呢? |
| 1640 | It's just bizarre. | 这太奇怪了 |
| 1641 | But it's because it's a fundamental thing in the human condition. | 但因为它是人类状况中的一项基本内容. |
| 1642 | It is the life that we were meant to live, right? | 这就是我们注定要过的生活,对吧? |
| 1643 | The resistance of the call, finally hearing the call and going out and being in way over your head, | 电话的阻力,终于听到电话 并且走出去,在你的头上, |
| 1644 | having to go through some sort of pain and suffering to learn a lesson. | 不得不经历一些痛苦和痛苦 来吸取教训。 |
| 1645 | You finally learn the lesson that lets you defeat the great enemy. | 你终于学到教训 让你打败伟大的敌人 |
| 1646 | You come back with the spoils of that and you teach to the rest of your tribe. | 你带着战利品回来 教给其他部落 |
| 1647 | That is life. | 这就是生活。 |
| 1648 | My friends, that whole cycle of first you have to learn, go on a journey of self discovery, do | 朋友们,你们首先要学会 踏上自我发现的旅程 |
| 1649 | something hard, go through pain and suffering, come out the other side with some knowledge that's | 痛苦和痛苦 从另一边出来 有一些知识 |
| 1650 | allowed you to like change your life. | 让你喜欢改变你的生活 |
| 1651 | And now as the true act of the hero's journey, you teach. | 现在作为英雄之旅的真正表现,你来教书. |
| 1652 | And so I want to tell stories that do that. | 所以我想讲故事 做到这一点。 |
| 1653 | 这是Neon Future是我们的第一件事。 | |
| 1654 | Now, why Neon Future? | 现在,为什么尼昂未来? |
| 1655 | It's based on Steve Aoki, the DJ, based on an album series that he did. | 它基于史蒂夫·青木,DJ,基于他完成的专辑系列. |
| 1656 | And I just knew that comic books come out like one every 30 seconds or so. | 我只知道漫画书每30秒出来一次 |
| 1657 | I mean, it's just bananas. | 我的意思是,这只是香蕉。 |
| 1658 | Insane how many comics come out. | 疯狂的漫画流出多少. |
| 1659 | So I thought, all right, to break through the noise, I need a partner on this that has celebrity. | 所以我想,好吧,打破噪音, 我需要一个有名人的伙伴。 |
| 1660 | And he is just an amazing collaborator and love his ideas about the future. | 他只是一个惊人的合作者 并且热爱他对未来的想法。 |
| 1661 | And so that's why that particular project, which is that 30 years in the future in a world where | 这就是为什么这个特殊项目, 也就是未来30年 在这个世界上, |
| 1662 | advanced technology has been made illegal and our hero goes on the classic hero's journey. | 先进技术被定为非法 我们的英雄踏上了经典英雄的旅程 |
| 1663 | So I love you, man. | 所以我爱你,伙计。 |
| 1664 | What else can you talk about? | 你还能说什么? |
| 1665 | What else is coming up? | 还有什么? |
| 1666 | Well, on that side, we have other projects in development. | 在那方面,我们还有其他项目正在开发中。 |
| 1667 | This one, your audience may really like. | 这个,你的观众可能真的喜欢。 |
| 1668 | I'm just beyond obsessed with this idea. | 我对这个想法太痴迷了 |
| 1669 | And it's about these two identical twins. | 是关于这两个相同的双胞胎。 |
| 1670 | And one of the identical twins, they're 12 years old. | 和同一个双胞胎之一, 他们12岁。 |
| 1671 | One of the identical twins is visited by an alien who gives him superpowers. | 其中一个相同的双胞胎被一个给予他超能力的外星人拜访. |
| 1672 | And instantly overnight, he becomes one of the most famous people on the planet. | 一夜之间 他成为了地球上最有名的人之一 |
| 1673 | And he's incredible and is able to do all this amazing stuff. | 他令人难以置信 能做这些惊人的事 |
| 1674 | But our story centers around the brother who didn't get the superpowers, who is genetically identical to this now super brother. | 但是我们的故事围绕着一个没有获得超能力的兄弟, 他的基因与现在这个超级兄弟完全相同。 |
| 1675 | And he feels worthless. | 他觉得自己一文不值 |
| 1676 | And he feels completely depressed. | 他感到完全沮丧。 |
| 1677 | Yeah, it'll start as a comment. | 是的,它会开始作为一个评论。 |
| 1678 | And what he has to realize is that he can develop what will seem like superpowers to other people, but he's just going to have to do it through hard ass work. | 他必须意识到的是,他可以发展出什么 看起来像超能力的人, 但他只是需要通过努力的屁股来做到这一点。 |
| 1679 | So it becomes a sort of Superman Batman parable of one guy is given everything. | 所以它成了超人蝙蝠侠的比喻 一个男人得到的一切。 |
| 1680 | And how does that affect his life? | 这对他的生活有什么影响? |
| 1681 | And the other guys to work for everything. | 其他人为一切工作 |
| 1682 | And how does that impact his life? | 这对他的生活有什么影响? |
| 1683 | And also, I think it's really important right now, given where we are, to show somebody walk out of depression and what that looks like. | 而且,我认为,鉴于我们现在所处的位置, 显示某人走出抑郁症, 以及那种样子是非常重要的。 |
| 1684 | I love how you're using entertainment, man. | 我喜欢你如何利用娱乐,男人。 |
| 1685 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1686 | It's so awesome. | 这太酷了。 |
| 1687 | I love the creativity. | 我喜欢创造力 |
| 1688 | Where are these ideas coming from from sitting together? | 这些想法从何而来? |
| 1689 | And well, those two in particular, the first one came from an idea I had off of Steve Aoki saying that he wants to be cryogenically frozen when he dies. | 特别是那两个,第一个来自我对史蒂夫·青木的想法 他说他死后会冷冻 |
| 1690 | And I thought, all right, what if Steve Aoki actually had the power to use technology to save lives? | 我想,好吧,如果史蒂夫・青木 其实有力量 使用技术来拯救生命呢? |
| 1691 | And so that was the beginning of it ends up not being him. | 所以这是开始 最终不是他。 |
| 1692 | He's not actually a character in the book, although one of our characters looks exactly like him. | 他其实不是书中的角色 虽然我们的一个角色长得和他一模一样 |
| 1693 | But that's a whole long story. | 但说来话长 |
| 1694 | And then the code name power less because his name is Lester. | 然后代号的功率减少 因为他叫莱斯特 |
| 1695 | You know what I did there? | 你知道我做了什么吗? |
| 1696 | So that one was literally just me obsessing over this idea of Batman and Superman and what they represent and how could we tackle that in a modern context? | 所以,那只是我沉迷于蝙蝠侠和超人的想法 以及他们代表什么 以及如何在现代背景下解决它? |
| 1697 | Because the problem is people always think, oh, somebody's better than me. | 因为问题在于人们总是认为, 哦,有人比我好。 |
| 1698 | And I thought, well, what if they were identical twins? | 我想,嗯,如果他们 是相同的双胞胎? |
| 1699 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1700 | And one of them, I love that somehow just became convinced that he wasn't as good as his brother. | 其中一个,我爱他 不知怎么地相信他不如他哥哥好 |
| 1701 | And I thought how interesting it would be if, like, let's say they were either of equal self-confidence when this happens or maybe even the brother who falls into worthlessness is is more confident than his brother for whatever reason. | 我想,如果这样的话,我们假设他们或者在这件事情发生时具有同等的自信,或者也许即使是陷入无价值境地的兄弟,也比他的兄弟更有信心,无论出于什么原因. |
| 1702 | And then the brother rockets by him. | 然后兄弟就用他来火箭 |
| 1703 | And we see just because he compares himself to one person in the world, his self-esteem falls to nothing. | 我们只看到他把自己比作世界上的一个人, 他的自尊就一无所有。 |
| 1704 | And I see this all the time with people. | 我经常和别人一起看到这些 |
| 1705 | I love the way you're tackling comparison, mental health. | 我喜欢你处理比较 心理健康的方式 |
| 1706 | It's genius. | 这是天才。 |
| 1707 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1708 | That concept is awesome. | 这个概念是真棒。 |
| 1709 | I absolutely love that. | 我绝对喜欢 |
| 1710 | Yeah, I'm excited about that. | 是的,我很兴奋。 |
| 1711 | I'm so excited for you, man. | 我真为你高兴,伙计。 |
| 1712 | I'm so, so excited for you. | 我真为你高兴 |
| 1713 | It's amazing. | 不可思议. |
| 1714 | I'm excited for the world. | 我为这个世界感到兴奋。 |
| 1715 | I'm excited for everyone listening and watching right now, because I just feel like we're in this time where and the fact that we're all friends, which is beautiful, but everyone's committed to trying to change the stories the world's telling themselves. | 我为现在的所有人聆听和观看感到兴奋,因为我感觉我们是在这个时候,而我们都是朋友,这很美丽,但每个人都致力于改变世界所讲述的故事。 |
| 1716 | And that is exciting because this is media, it's mainstream, it's scale. | 这是令人兴奋的,因为这是媒体, 是主流,是规模。 |
| 1717 | So it's going to affect a lot of people. | 故会影响众生. |
| 1718 | We are living through a crazy time. | 我们生活在一个疯狂的时代。 |
| 1719 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1720 | Super special. | 超级特别的。 |
| 1721 | We keep hearing that. | 我们一直在听 |
| 1722 | And I want people to just I've heard that so many times. | 我希望人们只是我听说过这么多次。 |
| 1723 | Every time I go to a conference or anything, it was like, we're living in a really impactful time right now. | 每次我去参加一个会议什么的, 它就像,我们生活在一个真正影响 时间现在。 |
| 1724 | We're really amazing. | 我们真的很棒。 |
| 1725 | But I'm like, literally take a moment to recognize that we really are. | 但我想,从字面上说, 需要一点时间来认识我们真的是。 |
| 1726 | Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's it's perfect for whatever you want to do. | 是啊,这是它的权利, 它是完美的 对于任何你想做的。 |
| 1727 | But thank you, Tom. | 谢谢你,汤姆 |
| 1728 | Thank you so much, man. | 非常感谢,伙计。 |
| 1729 | You're absolutely incredible. | 你绝对是不可思议的。 |
| 1730 | I learned so much today. | 我今天学到了很多 |
| 1731 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1732 | I'm excited for everyone to test it. | 我很高兴大家能测试一下 |
| 1733 | I highly recommend that you listen back to the parts where Tom was decoding things and take notes, test, experiment, try again. | 我强烈建议你听听汤姆在编解码 做笔记 测试 实验 再试一次 |
| 1734 | Don't just listen and be like, oh, that was really impressive and oh, that's so cool. | 不要只是听和 喜欢,哦, 这真的令人印象深刻, 哦,这太酷了。 |
| 1735 | And Tom was on fire then. | 汤姆当时着火了 |
| 1736 | Like, that's all good. | 喜欢,这是所有的好。 |
| 1737 | Like, that's cool. | 喜欢,这很酷。 |
| 1738 | And if you come and tell me or you post on Instagram saying, oh, this episode was epic, that's cool for me, too. | 如果你来告诉我 或者你贴在Instagram上说, 哦,这集是史诗, 这对我来说也是很酷的。 |
| 1739 | But I'll be more impressed if you actually go and try and test and then come back to me and Tom on Instagram | 但我会更佩服 如果你真的去尝试测试 然后回到我和汤姆的Instagram |
| 1740 | and tell us what you tested and what worked and what didn't work because we both want to hear that, too. | 告诉我们你测试了什么,什么有效,什么无效 因为我们都想听听 |
| 1741 | For sure. | 当然 |
| 1742 | So go do that. | 所以去做到这一点。 |
| 1743 | 你可以在Instagram、Facebook、YouTube、Twitter上找到汤姆, | |
| 1744 | Those are the good ones. | 这些是好的。 |
| 1745 | You can find him absolutely anywhere. | 你到处都能找到他 |
| 1746 | Tom Bellew. | 汤姆贝勒 |
| 1747 | Thank you so much, man. | 非常感谢,伙计。 |
| 1748 | Thank you for being my friend. | 谢谢你做我的朋友。 |
| 1749 | And thank you for an amazing, amazing human. | 并感谢你 一个惊人,惊人的人类。 |
| 1750 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1751 | Thank you, man. | 谢谢 |
| 1752 | If you want to continue seeing these kinds of stories, you can subscribe by clicking the link right here. | 如果你想继续看到这些故事,你可以在这里点击链接来订阅. |
| 1753 | You can subscribe by clicking the link right here. | 您可以在此点击链接订阅 。 |
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| 0:00 | The people that are most important are the people that we're serving. We embody that. We | 最重要的人就是我们所服务的人。 我们体现了这一点。 我们 |
| 0:03 | tell stories around that, etc. And then we have our frontline associates who are the next ones | 告诉周围的故事,等等。 然后我们有我们的第一线合伙人 谁是下一个 |
| 0:08 | that are touching and feeling all of our guests or our fans, customers. And then, you know, | 我们的客人或粉丝 顾客 然后,你知道吗, |
| 0:12 | it's my job and other associates at the leadership level to provide the environment to make sure | 我的工作和领导层的其他同事 提供环境以确保 |
| 0:16 | they have the resources, to make sure they have the strategy, to make sure that we create goals | 他们有资源,确保他们有战略,确保我们创造目标 |
| 0:20 | for them that are reasonable, etc., and give them support. | 他们是有理智的,是有援助的。 |
| 0:23 | Hello, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world because | 大家好,你们好 欢迎回到《目的》 世界上头号健康播客 因为 |
| 0:34 | of each and every single one of you. Thank you so much for taking out time out of your day, | 你们每一个人。 谢谢你抽出时间 |
| 0:39 | out of your evening to be here, to learn and grow and advance your thinking. And like you know, | 走出你的夜晚 来到这里, 学习和成长 和推进你的思维。 就像你知道的一样 |
| 0:46 | every week I try and find guests that I believe are going to ask us thought-provoking questions, | 每星期我都会找客人 问我们一些令人深思的问题 |
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| 1 | The people that are most important are the people that we're serving. We embody that. We | 最重要的人就是我们所服务的人。 我们体现了这一点。 我们 |
| 2 | tell stories around that, etc. And then we have our frontline associates who are the next ones | 告诉周围的故事,等等。 然后我们有我们的第一线合伙人 谁是下一个 |
| 3 | that are touching and feeling all of our guests or our fans, customers. And then, you know, | 我们的客人或粉丝 顾客 然后,你知道吗, |
| 4 | it's my job and other associates at the leadership level to provide the environment to make sure | 我的工作和领导层的其他同事 提供环境以确保 |
| 5 | they have the resources, to make sure they have the strategy, to make sure that we create goals | 他们有资源,确保他们有战略,确保我们创造目标 |
| 6 | for them that are reasonable, etc., and give them support. | 他们是有理智的,是有援助的。 |
| 7 | Hello, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world because | 大家好,你们好 欢迎回到《目的》 世界上头号健康播客 因为 |
| 8 | of each and every single one of you. Thank you so much for taking out time out of your day, | 你们每一个人。 谢谢你抽出时间 |
| 9 | out of your evening to be here, to learn and grow and advance your thinking. And like you know, | 走出你的夜晚 来到这里, 学习和成长 和推进你的思维。 就像你知道的一样 |
| 10 | every week I try and find guests that I believe are going to ask us thought-provoking questions, | 每星期我都会找客人 问我们一些令人深思的问题 |
| 11 | give us deeper insights to ourselves, and give us so much experience and abundance and wealth | 给我们自己更深刻的洞察力,给我们这么多的经验、丰富和财富 |
| 12 | of insight to learn from so that we can learn from their lives, their mistakes, their failures, | 洞察力可以学习 以便我们能够学习 他们的生活, 他们的错误,他们的失败, |
| 13 | their successes, and most of all, their wisdom. And today's guest is someone that I've been | 他们的成功,最重要的是他们的智慧。 今天的客人是我曾经的 |
| 14 | really blown away by. I've met him for the first time this week, but he just has this natural | 真的被炸飞了 这周我第一次见到他 但他很自然 |
| 15 | humility, his natural grace, he's extremely kind-hearted. And it really blows me away when | 谦卑,他的天生恩典,他非常善良. 这真的让我大吃一惊 |
| 16 | extremely successful individuals are so deeply, genuinely grounded and wanting to do incredible | 极成功的个人 如此深厚, 真正扎根 并希望做不可思议的 |
| 17 | things for the world. So as you know, this week I've been with the Arthur Blank Family Foundation, | 东西为世界。 如你所知 这周我和亚瑟·布兰克家庭基金会在一起 |
| 18 | we've been at the West Creek Ranch here in Montana, and we've been discussing the state | 我们一直在蒙大拿州的西溪牧场讨论这个州 |
| 19 | of well-being in America. And the person who's put this on is Arthur Blank himself, who is the | 美国的福祉。 而装这个的人是亚瑟·布兰克本人 他才是 |
| 20 | best known as the co-founder of the Home Depot, and was named by Forbes as one of the world's | 被福布斯命名为世界之王 |
| 21 | 100 greatest living business minds and Sports Business Journal's most 50 influential people | 100个最伟大的商业思想和体育商业杂志 最具50个影响力的人 |
| 22 | in sports for the past three years. His business portfolio currently includes the NFL's Atlanta | 过去三年来在体育领域 他目前的业务组合包括NFL的亚特兰大 |
| 23 | Falcons, MLS Atlanta United, the retail PGA Tour Superstore, the Arthur and Blank Family Foundation, | Falcons),MLS亚特兰大联合,零售PGA巡回超市,亚瑟和布兰克家庭基金会, |
| 24 | and many, many more ventures. Arthur, I'm so grateful, honored, and humbled that you're doing | 和许多,更多的冒险。 亚瑟,我非常感激、荣幸和谦卑 你正在做 |
| 25 | this. Thank you for being here. Well, it's great to be with you. As I said the other night, I mean, | 这个 谢谢你能来 嗯,这是伟大的和你在一起。 正如我那天晚上所说,我的意思是, |
| 26 | you're the last person I see when I go to bed. And it's always very warming to hear your counsel and | 你是我睡觉时最后见到的人 听到你的劝告总是很温和 |
| 27 | your wisdom. So thank you for sharing that with all of us. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. I | 你们的智慧 谢谢你和我们大家分享这些 谢谢 非常感谢 一、导 言 |
| 28 | was so touched to hear that you'd been watching my videos without me even knowing. I have been, | 听到你一直在看我的视频 却连我都不知道 我曾经是, |
| 29 | and I love them all. They're great stories. And kind of like you said the other day, we're talking | 我爱他们所有人。 他们是伟大的故事。 就像前几天你说的,我们在聊天 |
| 30 | about Albert Einstein, how the ability to take something that's very complex and has a lot of | 关于阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦, 如何有能力 采取非常复杂 并且有很多 |
| 31 | sides and edges to it and make it to where it's digestible and understandable by the majority of | 边边边边边边边边边边边边 |
| 32 | people. And I think that's a powerful asset that you have and one that I try to remember as well, | 人们 我认为这是你拥有的强大财富 而我也试着记住 |
| 33 | to try to make things a little bit easier for people to understand and therefore get through | 试着让事情变得容易一点 让人们理解,从而通过 |
| 34 | the points you're trying to make. You do it well, very well. Thank you so much. That means so much | 你试图做的点。 你做得很好,非常不错。 非常感谢 那意味着很多 |
| 35 | to me coming from you and we're so happy and grateful to be in this incredible rants this | 我从你身边走来 我们很高兴和感激 来到这个不可思议的荒诞世界 |
| 36 | week. Your space here in Montana, we have this incredible view and even more amazing is the | 礼拜 在蒙大拿州的空间,我们有 不可思议的景色,更惊人的是 |
| 37 | people that you've gathered and your team has gathered for this such an important conversation | 你们所聚集的人 你们的团队为这次重要谈话而聚集在一起 |
| 38 | and cause. Could you tell us about where this idea for this week came for you and what the purpose | 和事业。 你能告诉我们这个礼拜的主意是在哪来的吗? |
| 39 | was from your perspective? Well, I think it was born out of a lot of years of my journey in terms | 从你的角度? 我觉得它来自我多年的旅程 |
| 40 | of wellness and well-being and I was a very competitive runner for many years of my life | 幸福和幸福,我是一个非常有竞争力的跑者 在我生命的许多年 |
| 41 | and that was great but we transitioned out of that and I do a variety of other things to keep | 很棒 但我们从中过渡出来 我做了很多其他事情来保持 |
| 42 | myself physically and mentally in shape now. But we're living in very troubled times and | 身体上和精神上都已经健全了 但我们生活在非常麻烦的时期 |
| 43 | I'm talking about really on a global basis, nationally as well as globally. And despite | 我指的是真正的全球,国家以及全球。 尽管 |
| 44 | our GDP, which we discussed the other day, is not being the real measure of happiness | 我们前几天讨论过的国内生产总值 不是衡量幸福的真正尺度 |
| 45 | in the country. Despite the growth of that, we've got a lot of issues that young people | 在这个国家。 我们有很多年轻人的问题 |
| 46 | and older people are all struggling with. The fact that you met Laurie Santos from Yale University | 老年人都在挣扎 你认识耶鲁大学的劳里·桑托斯 |
| 47 | in a quarter of the student body of Yale, 318 years old, was taking this course every year on | 在耶鲁的四分之一的学生中,318岁,每年参加这个课程 |
| 48 | how to deal with positive growth, how to deal with the stress in your life, etc. At Harvard, | 如何应对正增长,如何应对生活中的压力等. 在哈佛大学 |
| 49 | they have a thousand students every semester do a similar. So the reality is it's not only with | 他们每个学期都有一千名学生做类似的事情. 所以,现实是,它不仅是与 |
| 50 | folks my age that are, you know, why is the suicide rate double since 1996, 30 percent I should say, | 我这个年纪的人,你知道, 为什么自杀率是1996年以来的两倍, 我应该说30%, |
| 51 | but the young people today, thank heavens, are questioning themselves, you know, what is my | 但今天的年轻人,谢天谢地, 正在自我质疑, 你知道,什么是我的 |
| 52 | purpose? What's my purpose myself? What's my purpose in serving humanity? What's my purpose | 目的吗? 我的目标是什么? 我为人类服务的目的是什么? 我的目标是什么? |
| 53 | in what I'm doing? How do I connect all these dots in my life journey together? | 我在做什麽? 我如何把人生旅程中的这些点联系起来? |
| 54 | So I think the idea was to bring together the best, the brightest, and the smartest. We have | 所以我觉得这个想法是把最优秀的,最聪明的,最聪明的集合起来. 我们有 |
| 55 | them all, starting with you, and many others that have incredible backgrounds and histories | 从你开始,还有许多其他 有着不可思议的背景和历史 |
| 56 | and bring such knowledge and wisdom to the room. The idea was to bring together for us as a funder | 并将这种知识和智慧带到会议室。 想法是把我们作为资助者聚集在一起 |
| 57 | and other funders as well the ways that we can help move the ball down the field to use either | 以及其他资助者 以及我们能帮助球向球场移动的方法 |
| 58 | of my football teams, American football, soccer as an analogy, but as a way that we can put our | 我的足球队,美国足球,足球 作为类比, 但作为一种方式,我们可以说,我们 |
| 59 | shoulder to the wheel and do more than what is currently being done, as a ways we can assist. | 肩并肩,并做比目前所做的更多的工作,作为我们能够帮助的方法。 |
| 60 | And we do that within our own businesses, and we can talk about that later if you like, but | 我们这样做 在我们自己的企业, 我们可以谈论,如果你喜欢, |
| 61 | beyond that, you know, what's the scale? What's the impact? We've talked about that. | 除此之外,你知道,什么是规模? 有什么影响? 我们谈过了 |
| 62 | Lord knows that if we make a difference in one person's life, that's a huge journey by itself, | 上帝知道 如果我们在一个人的生活中有所改变 那本身就是一个巨大的旅程 |
| 63 | but reality is that these issues are of such scale not only nationally but internationally | 但现实是,这些问题不仅在国家和国际两级都具有如此规模。 |
| 64 | as we've heard from Dan Buettner of Blue Zones and Bob Wolding from Harvard. I mean, these issues | 正如我们从蓝区Dan Buettner 和哈佛的Bob Wolding那里听到的 我的意思是,这些问题 |
| 65 | are being questioned throughout the world, so they're big-time concerns that we have to face. | 全世界都在被质疑 所以这是我们不得不面对的大问题 |
| 66 | Yeah, absolutely, and when I first received the invite and saw what the conversation was, | 是啊,当然,当我第一次收到邀请 并看到谈话是什么, |
| 67 | I was just so happy and in awe that this was taking place. I just thought, wow, there's someone out | 我非常的高兴和害怕 这一切正在发生 我只是想,哇,有人出来了 |
| 68 | there who is so deeply invested and seems so genuinely caring about what the challenges of | 谁这么投入 似乎如此真正关心 |
| 69 | the world are, and then when I looked at the list of people coming, I was just like, wow, this can | 这个世界是,然后当我看 名单上的人来, 我只是喜欢,哇,这个可以 |
| 70 | be so exciting for me because I'll have my notebook out, and I've learned so much this week. So thank | 因为我会把笔记本拿出来 这周我学到了很多 谢谢 |
| 71 | you again, and I want to help my audience understand your backstory because I think | 又是你,我想帮助我的观众 理解你的背面故事,因为我认为 |
| 72 | that's what really shows where people's purpose comes from. It's very easy to look at you. We're | 这才是人们的目的所在 观身极易. 我们是 |
| 73 | sitting in this beautiful West Creek ranch today. It's this beautiful property here, | 坐在今天美丽的西溪牧场里 是这里的美丽财产 |
| 74 | but you actually grew up in a one-bedroom apartment, Queens, and you didn't move out | 但你在一间单人房的公寓里长大 皇后区 而你没有搬出去 |
| 75 | until you went to college and didn't live in a home until age 32. Right, that's correct, yeah. | 直到你上大学,直到32岁才住在家里 对,没错 |
| 76 | And so tell us about how formative that experience was and what you learned from it. | 告诉我们这种经历是如何形成的, 你从中学到了什么。 |
| 77 | Well, I think it was very important in my own life. My father was a pharmacist, but I lost him | 我觉得这对我很重要 我父亲是个药剂师 但我失去了他 |
| 78 | when I was 15. He was 44 at the time, very young age. My mother was 37. She took over my dad's | 我15岁的时候 当时他44岁,非常年轻. 我母亲37岁 她接管了我父亲的 |
| 79 | business and ran it, but we didn't have very much. I mean, as I said, it was a one-bedroom apartment | 生意和经营, 但我们没有太多。 我的意思是,正如我说的, 这是一个单间公寓 |
| 80 | shared by all four of us. We had a single bathroom. I mean, we were living in a very, very | 我们四个都一样 我们有一个单人浴室。 我的意思是,我们生活在一个非常,非常 |
| 81 | modest way. But the one thing I remember clearly about my mother is that it was never about money. | 谦虚的方式。 但我清楚记得关于我母亲的一件事 就是它从来不是钱 |
| 82 | It was always about making a difference and trying to give back and trying to be involved | 总是要有所作为 努力还原 努力参与 |
| 83 | in the community, et cetera. I mean, I wear this bracelet that I had made from our book | 在社区,等等。 我的意思是,我戴着这个手镯 从我们的书做 |
| 84 | that, and subscribe, you can't see it on here, but I wear one every day. It matches the color | 签个名,你看不出来 但我每天都穿一件 颜色匹配 |
| 85 | of what I'm wearing. But it says, you only pass through once, make a difference. And that was | 我穿着什么。 但上面写着,你只经过一次,就不同了 这是 |
| 86 | the title of the book that she wrote. So I think that that became ingrained in me, the notion of | 她写的书的题目 因此,我认为,这 已经根深蒂固的我, |
| 87 | trying to make a difference, giving back, being connected to others in the community | 努力改变,还原,与社区其他人联系 |
| 88 | and what have you. And we were not in a position to write checks then, but, you know, writing | 和你有什么关系? 我们当时无法写支票,但是,你知道的,写 |
| 89 | checks is great, but doing the work itself and getting connected to the individuals that you're | 检查是伟大的,但 做工作本身 和连接到个人 |
| 90 | trying to serve is really the most rewarding part of philanthropy, in my view. It makes it all come | 我认为,试图服务是慈善事业中最有价值的部分。 这一切都会来 |
| 91 | to life, makes it all real, gives it more purpose than just sitting and writing checks. Checks are | 让一切变得真实 给它更多的目的 不只是坐着写支票 检查是 |
| 92 | important. Resources are important to make things happen and bring scale. But I think it's important | 这很重要 资源对于使事情发生和达到规模十分重要。 但我觉得这很重要 |
| 93 | to have that background. That, I would say, part of it and my faith. I'm Jewish and, you know, | 拥有这个背景。 我要说,这是其中的一部分,也是我的信仰。 我是犹太人,你知道, |
| 94 | one of the expressions in Judaism is to kun olam, which means to repair the world, or sedaka, I mean, | 犹太教的一种表达方式是kun olam, 意思是修复世界, 或者Sedaka,我的意思是, |
| 95 | giving and participating. So those were ingrained in me, even though when I went to services, | 提供和参与。 因此,这些 被根深蒂固的我, 即使当我去服务, |
| 96 | you know, you don't think you absorb all that, you know, you obviously did, became a monk at 18, | 你知道,你不认为你吸收 所有,你知道,你显然做到了, 成为一名僧侣在18, |
| 97 | but, you know, a lot of the congregational meetings I went to, etc., I wasn't sure exactly | 但是,你知道,很多的教会会议 我去过,等等, 我不确定确切的 |
| 98 | what, but I was absorbing, more so than I even really thought. So I think those things are very | 什么,但我正在吸收, 比我想象的还要多。 所以我认为那些东西非常 |
| 99 | important in terms of my childhood. Yeah, that's incredible. Like, regardless of how little you had, | 对我童年很重要 是啊,这是不可思议的。 喜欢,不管你有多小, |
| 100 | your mother was always trying to find time and energy to give to the community in different | 你妈妈总是想找时间和精力 给不同的社区 |
| 101 | ways. I think those are really powerful messages. Yeah, and I think when I bought my first home, | 办法 我认为这些消息非常有力。 是的,我想当我买 我的第一个家, |
| 102 | it was, you know, $32,000. I was 32 years old. I remember telling my wife then, I said, look, | 这是,你知道,32 000美元。 我当时32岁。 我还记得当时告诉我的妻子, 我说,你看, |
| 103 | I'm not going to embarrass us. I'll pay off the mortgage. I mean, I'll keep us current. Don't | 我不会让我们尴尬的 我会还清抵押贷款。 我的意思是,我会保持我们的时间。 别 |
| 104 | worry about that. I'll pay the bills, but we're never going to pay this mortgage off completely. | 担心这一点。 我会付帐 但是我们永远也不会完全付清抵押贷款 |
| 105 | I just, you know, there's no way, you know, so obviously that part of my life has changed. But | 我只是,你知道,没有办法,你知道, 所以很明显,我的一部分 生活已经改变了。 不过 |
| 106 | remembering that and remembering that experience and what it meant to not have the kind of financial | 记住这一点,记住那段经历 以及它意味着没有 那种财政 |
| 107 | success that we have today, going back to those days, I think was very important part of my own | 今天的成功,回到那些日子, 我认为是非常重要的一部分 我自己 |
| 108 | molding, if you will. Absolutely. I think perspective is so important. I remember when I was nine years | 做模具,如果你愿意的话。 当然 我认为观点非常重要。 我记得我九岁的时候 |
| 109 | old, I visited India for the first time and my father took me to the home that he grew up in. | 老了,我第一次访问印度,我父亲带我去他长大的家。 |
| 110 | And he grew up in an area where they shared a bathroom with 30 other families. His home was as | 他成长在一个地区 他们与另外30个家庭共用一个浴室。 他的家本来是 |
| 111 | big as this room and that seven people living in this much space. And when I went outside, | 和这间屋子一样大 住着七个人 当我出去时, |
| 112 | there were like bats and cockroaches and all this kind of stuff. And I was just like, | 像是蝙蝠、蟑螂之类的东西 我就说, |
| 113 | I couldn't believe that that's where my dad grew up. And compared to, you know, | 我不能相信那是我爸爸长大的地方 和比起来,你知道, |
| 114 | we didn't grow up in a huge house in England, but compared to his home, my home was huge. | 我们不是在英国的一个大房子里长大的 但和他的家相比 我的家是巨大的 |
| 115 | And so for me, it was so important, I feel like nine years old to see that, | 因此,对我来说,这很重要, 我觉得像九岁看到, |
| 116 | because it started making me feel grateful for what I did have rather than being ungrateful | 因为它开始让我感到感激 我所做的而不是忘恩负义 |
| 117 | for what I didn't have. Yeah. And I think, you know, just as your journey brought you at some | 因为我没有。 对 我想,你知道, 就像你的旅程带给你一些 |
| 118 | point at age 18, I think it was when you decided to, you know, go on the journey of becoming a | 在18岁的时候,我认为这是 当你决定,你知道, 去旅行成为一个 |
| 119 | monk, you know, you're affected by your background, your history, all the connecting points in your | 和尚,你知道,你受到你的背景,你的历史,你所有的连接点的影响 |
| 120 | life. And sometimes they don't all seem to add up right at the moment, but there's a big puzzle | 活着 有时他们似乎并不都合起来,但有一个大谜题 |
| 121 | going on in your head and in your heart and in your spirit that actually brings those things | 在你的脑海中,在你的内心中,在你的精神中, 真正带来这些东西 |
| 122 | together. And it's, you know, that moment of saying, aha, this is my purpose. This is really | 一起来 这是,你知道,那一刻 说,啊哈,这是我的目的。 这是真的 |
| 123 | what I want to do. I feel at peace with this. I want to, you know, I want to go as far as I can | 我所欲为. 我对此感到平静。 我想,你知道,我想尽我所能 |
| 124 | down this road, take others with me, travel with others, et cetera. So I think it's been | 沿着这条路,带其他人一起走, 和别人一起旅行,等等。 所以我觉得已经... |
| 125 | beautiful from my standpoint. Yeah. And tell us how then five years later at 37, | 从我的观点来看,很美 对 告诉我们五年后的37岁怎么样? |
| 126 | you go from feeling tired of working at a regional hardware store to then going on to build | 你从厌倦在地区五金店工作到继续建设 |
| 127 | the biggest, what does that process of thinking about it, making it happen, pushing forward | 最大的,是什么过程 思考它,使之发生,推进 |
| 128 | look like? Well, it was, it wasn't, we really weren't tired of doing it. It was a company | 看起来像? 嗯,这是,它不是, 我们真的不厌倦这样做。 那是个公司 |
| 129 | that was called handed down home improvement centers, which was then the most successful home | 被称为"送出家的改善中心" 那时是最成功的家 |
| 130 | improvement center company chain in the United States, but it was, it was owned by a larger | 美国的改进中心连锁公司 但它是 由更大的 |
| 131 | company that was in financial difficulty. So when Bernie and I, my partner who co-founded Home Depot, | 公司财务困难。 所以当伯尼和我,我的搭档 谁共同创建了Home Depot, |
| 132 | we got fired actually. So it wasn't like, well, let's, you know, it was a lot of political reasons | 我们被解雇了 所以,这不是像,好了,让我们, 你知道,这是很多的政治原因 |
| 133 | and that's a whole nother story. But beyond that, it was our chance really to live our lives over | 这是整个不是她的故事。 但除此之外,这是 我们真正的机会 生活我们的生活 |
| 134 | again from a business standpoint. And although those stores were the best run in the United | 从商业角度来说 虽然这些商店是美国最好的 |
| 135 | States, we felt if we ever had to compete with a large, no frills down market warehouse store, | 国家,我们觉得,如果我们曾经 不得不与一个大型,没有fillers 在市场仓库, |
| 136 | we really couldn't, couldn't do it. So we said, if we couldn't do that, we were running the best | 我们真的不能,不能做到这一点。 所以我们说,如果我们不能做到这一点, 我们正在运行最好的 |
| 137 | company in that sector. That time, let's try to develop that and go with that. And that was the | 公司在那个部门。 那段时间,让我们试着去发展它,然后去。 这就是 |
| 138 | birth of Home Depot and started in 78. First stores were in 79. It's a long story. When I left 23 | 出生于Home Depot,开始于78年. 最初的店在79号 说来话长. 当我离开23 |
| 139 | years later, it was the second largest retail in the world. Second only to Walmart, which is a | 数年后,它是世界第二大零售业. 仅次于沃尔玛,这是一个 |
| 140 | great company. And they have one of their senior executives here this week as well and trying to | 伟大的公司。 他们本周有一位高管在这里 并试图 |
| 141 | understand well-being and wellness and how that relates to the associates that they have. And | 了解福祉和幸福,以及这与他们拥有的同伙的关系。 还有 |
| 142 | I don't even know what their number is today. It's probably about a million and a half, | 我都不知道他们今天的号码是多少 估计有一百五十万 |
| 143 | maybe more than that. It's mind boggling. That's insane. What gave you, what I'm really | 也许不止这些 谓心惑. 这是疯了。 什么给了你,什么我真的 |
| 144 | interested in, Arthur, is that what gave you the courage and risk taking after being fired at the | 亚瑟,你感兴趣的是,是什么 给了你勇气和冒险 在被炒鱿鱼后 |
| 145 | age of 37 to do that? Because I think today, and it's interesting because I was sitting yesterday | 37岁就可以这么做了? 因为我想今天,它很有趣 因为我昨天坐 |
| 146 | at a table with Laurie, with Robert, and we were discussing this and what they were sharing with | 在与劳里,与罗伯特的一张桌子上, 我们正在讨论这个 和他们分享什么 |
| 147 | me is that so many students today at some of the best institutions in the world and all institutions | 今天有这么多学生 在世界上最好的机构 和所有机构 |
| 148 | in the world are so scared of doing anything that isn't the path. And what I mean by the path is | 全世界都害怕做任何不是道路的事情 我说的路就是 |
| 149 | they believe that they go to Yale or Harvard, they continue and they have to get a job in | 他们相信,他们去耶鲁或哈佛, 他们继续,他们必须找到工作 |
| 150 | what they're studying right now and that they have to live that very narrow line. And they said, | 他们正在研究的东西 他们必须生活在非常狭窄的线。 他们说, |
| 151 | in their words, they said they know some of their students are doing things they hate | 用他们的话说,他们说他们知道 他们的一些学生在做他们讨厌的事 |
| 152 | just because it's the path. Where did you feel the confidence and the risk taking approach to | 因为它是路径。 你从哪里感受到了信心和风险 |
| 153 | try something new and how can our audience and listeners today feel that they're not old? Because | 我们的观众和听众 如何觉得自己不老? 因为 |
| 154 | today people think they're old at 25. We think we're old at 28 to try something new. I got married | 今人以为年二十五. 我们认为我们28岁时已经老了,想试试新的东西. 我结婚了 |
| 155 | at 23 the first time and I said, okay, this is 23 years old, I need to get married today. | 23岁,我第一次说,好吧,这是23岁, 我今天需要结婚。 |
| 156 | Kids are getting married much later. But in any event, I think in my own case, probably came from | 孩子们要结婚很久了 但无论如何,我想在我自己的情况下, 可能来自 |
| 157 | the experience that my father passing away at an early age and being an entrepreneur, he was | 我父亲很早就去世了 是个企业家 |
| 158 | working as a pharmacist. He left several years before he passed away, started his own wholesale | 做药剂师 他去世前几年离开,开始自己批发 |
| 159 | drug company across America, drugstores, hospitals, nursing homes, etc. And then when he passed away, | 遍及全美的药品公司,药店,医院,养老院等. 然后当他去世时, |
| 160 | my mother took that business over. So I had all these role models in my family of not giving up, | 我妈妈接管了那个生意 所以我有这些榜样 在我家 不放弃, |
| 161 | of trying, trying something new, extending yourself, going on that journey. I've been | 尝试,尝试一些新事物, 扩展自己, 进行那段旅程。 我去过 |
| 162 | connected with Outward Bound for probably 40 years now and their slogan is to serve, to strive, | 他们的口号是服务,努力, |
| 163 | and not to yield. And so I very much believe in that and the notion that we all can do more | 并且不会屈服 所以我非常相信这点 相信我们大家都能做得更多 |
| 164 | than what we thought we're capable of doing. And it doesn't mean you do it without safety nets | 比我们以为我们有能力做。 也不代表你没有安全网就这么做了 |
| 165 | around you, but you can do more than what you thought. So I would encourage, and I do encourage | 环绕着你 但你能做的比你想象的多 所以我鼓励,我鼓励 |
| 166 | people to, as Dr. Dwyer would say, to find the music within you and make sure it gets played. | 正如Dwyer医生所说,人们会 找到你体内的音乐,确保音乐得到播放。 |
| 167 | So I think a lot of us have to find that music, if you will, that passion, that point of physical, | 所以,我认为我们很多人必须找到 音乐,如果你愿意, 激情,那一点物理, |
| 168 | mental, spiritual connection that makes us feel we're not getting up to work today, we're getting | 精神上,精神上的联系 使我们觉得我们今天没有起来工作,我们得到了 |
| 169 | up to not have fun, but to do God's work, do our work, do work with purpose, service to others, | 最多没有乐趣, 但做上帝的工作, 做我们的工作, 做有目的的工作, 为他人服务, |
| 170 | etc. So I think, you know, you try to find, and I encourage young people today to try to find, | 页:1 所以我想,你知道,你试图找到, 我鼓励年轻人今天尝试找到, |
| 171 | don't worry about making money. If you're good at what you're doing, you're going to be fine. | 不要担心赚钱。 若善修行无碍智. |
| 172 | And money really is really not the main attribute to happiness, as you well know. But I think doing | 钱真的不是幸福的主要属性 正如你所知道的 但我认为做 |
| 173 | what you find a passion for, serving others in some capacity, and being part of the greater | 以某种身份为他人服务 成为大人物 |
| 174 | community, not just of your family, which is obviously critical, but of humanity, | 不仅仅是你的家人, 这显然是至关重要的, 并且对于人类, |
| 175 | brings you the joy and peace. And I think if you can find a business that in one form or another | 带给你欢乐和安宁 我想如果你能找到 一种或另一种形式的企业 |
| 176 | provides that service, I think you create a company. The expression I use to our managers | 提供这种服务,我认为你创建了一个公司。 我对经理的表达 |
| 177 | is that you want our associates to feel this company is really worthy of your life. | 你想让我们的合伙人 觉得这个公司是值得的 |
| 178 | I don't mean that in disrespect to religion or whatever else it may be, but they give you 8, 10, | 我不是说不尊重宗教或别的什么 但他们会给你8,10, |
| 179 | 12 hours a day, whatever it may be, but you want them to come to work and not have to think of it | 一天12小时,不管是什么,但你希望他们来上班,不用想 |
| 180 | as work. Think of it as, you know, this is part of my mission. I love the values of this organization. | 作为工作。 认为这是我的任务之一 我爱这个组织的价值观。 |
| 181 | I believe in them. I want to stand for them. I want to participate in them. I want to help | 我相信他们。 我想支持他们 我想参与其中。 我想帮忙 |
| 182 | articulate them. I want to help share them with others as they join our businesses. | 说清楚 我想在其他人加入我们的事业时 帮助他们分享 |
| 183 | And I think that passion, I think, and that commitment is what will bring a greater sense | 我认为,激情,我认为, 和这个承诺 将带来更大的感觉 |
| 184 | of joy. And hopefully, you know, I'm thrilled really with, you know, Bob Wolding and here and | 欢乐。 希望,你知道,我很高兴 真的,你知道,鲍勃·沃尔丁和这里, |
| 185 | Laurie Santos here as best examples, and many of the universities, but this tremendous thirst | 劳里·桑托斯是最佳例子 也是很多大学的 但这种极度渴求 |
| 186 | that our young people have, who at the end of the day really are our future, | 我们的年轻人, 他们最终确实是我们的未来, |
| 187 | the young people have to find a greater purpose, find themselves personally and then find a greater | 年轻人必须找到更大的目标, 找到个人,然后找到更大的 |
| 188 | connection to others in their community and humanity is something that I applaud. And that's | 我赞扬与其他人在他们的社区和人性中的联系。 这是 |
| 189 | why your work is so important because, you know, you're part of, you know, the voices that young | 为什么你的工作如此重要 因为,你知道,你是 的一部分,你知道,那些年轻的声音 |
| 190 | people are, everybody's listening to. I'm 76, so I'm not young, but I mean, everybody is listening | 人们,每个人都在听。 我76岁了,所以我不年轻,但是,我是说,每个人都在听 |
| 191 | to today and trying to get some better guidance, broader guidance, more spiritual guidance, | 试图获得更好的指导 更广泛的指导 更多的精神指导 |
| 192 | connecting guidance to everything inside of themselves than they would have had otherwise. | 将指导与内心的一切联系起来,而不是他们本该拥有的。 |
| 193 | So, you know, I'm very optimistic about, you know, the direction that we're going in, | 所以,你知道,我很乐观, 你知道,我们走的方向, |
| 194 | but it's not going to happen by itself. It's not going to change by itself. | 但它不会自己发生。 自身无变. |
| 195 | We need people like yourself, Jay, and all the people in the other rooms that are doing | 我们需要像你这样的人,杰伊 以及其他房间里所有的人 |
| 196 | incredible work and making sure that those messages get expanded and we're touching more | 令人难以置信的工作 确保那些信息得到扩展 我们正在接触更多 |
| 197 | and more people and find ways to bring that message of scale. And I think it's one that people, | 和更多的人 并找到办法 带来这个规模的信息。 我认为这是一个人,人们, |
| 198 | you know, when somebody has that feeling that I'm not really, I mean, this is purpose to me. | 你知道,当有人有那种感觉 我不是真的,我的意思是,这是我的目的。 |
| 199 | In the true sense of the word, what I'm doing every day has purpose. It's like these, you know, | 从真实意义上讲,我每天做的事情是有目的的. 就像这些,你知道的, |
| 200 | young men you have here, you know, recording this. I mean, I assume, I mean, they'd love working | 年轻人,你在这里, 你知道,记录这个。 我的意思是,我想,我的意思是, 他们会喜欢工作 |
| 201 | with you, but they probably love, you know, hearing some of these stories and every day they | 和你在一起,但他们可能喜欢, 你知道,听到一些这些故事 每天他们 |
| 202 | expose to, you know, some other thoughts that help them enrich their own mind and their own thoughts. | 暴露,你知道,一些其他的想法 帮助他们丰富 他们自己的思想和思想。 |
| 203 | Yeah, absolutely. And when I hear you speak from the first day when you led the introduction to | 当然 当我听到你说话 从第一天 当你领导介绍 |
| 204 | even now, the words like purpose and values and spiritual, they're so deeply embedded in who you | 即使现在, 诸如目的、价值和精神之类的词语, 都深深植根于你身上 |
| 205 | are. And one of the things I loved and we'll try and get a slide to put it onto the video version, | 对 其中一件我爱的东西 我们将尝试获得一个幻灯片 把它在视频版本, |
| 206 | but when you first started speaking, you showed us the two value diagrams that you have. And one | 但当你开始说话的时候,你向我们展示了你拥有的两个值图。 一个 |
| 207 | thing I loved is that there was an upside down pyramid and on the upside down pyramid, the person | 我爱的是,有一个颠倒的金字塔 在颠倒的金字塔上,这个人 |
| 208 | at the bottom of the pyramid was Arthur and I loved that. And at the top was customers. And then | 在金字塔底部是亚瑟 我喜欢这个 最上面是顾客 礛 |
| 209 | you had the other circular one with innovation and all these other aspects of values. I'd love | 您有另一个循环 创新 和所有其他方面的价值。 我喜欢 |
| 210 | for you to talk through some of those because I believe that we hear a lot of people say this | 让你通过其中的一些交谈 因为我相信我们听到很多人这么说 |
| 211 | stuff and you've probably heard it more than I have, but from spending a bit of time with | 东西,你可能听到的比我多, 但花了一点时间与 |
| 212 | you and seeing the success of what you've done, it seems like you've actually been able to really | 看着你所做的一切 似乎你确实能够 |
| 213 | do it. Please share with us some of those values and how you constructed them specifically and | 做到这一点。 请与我们分享其中的一些价值观,以及你如何具体构建这些价值观。 |
| 214 | where that upside down pyramid and you at the bottom idea came from. So I think Jay, all of | 倒着的金字塔 和你在底部的想法。 所以我认为杰伊,所有 |
| 215 | our businesses, regardless of exactly what they're doing, you described them all well earlier, | 我们的企业,不管他们在做什么, 你描述的都很好, |
| 216 | all that incredibly high, very high success portfolio and results, they're all based on the | 所有这些惊人的高,非常高的成功组合和结果, 他们都基于 |
| 217 | same set of values. And the same set of values is a wheel of six, if you will, but they all have to | 同一组值。 同样的价值是六的轮子,如果你愿意, 但是它们都得 |
| 218 | do with relationships, all have to do with community, all have to do with respect, all have to do with | 关系,所有与社区有关, 所有与尊重,所有与 |
| 219 | giving back. None of those key values have anything to do with what's our maximum revenue, | 还我 这些关键价值与我们的最大收入无关 |
| 220 | what's our rate of profitability, what's our return on sales, et cetera. It all has to do | 我们的利润率 销售回报率等等 都得这样 |
| 221 | with behavior and how we treat the people that we're serving. So whether we're serving guests | 我们如何对待我们所服务的人 所以不管我们是招待客人 |
| 222 | here at Mountain Sky or at West Creek or whether we're serving customers in our PGA business or | 这里在山上天空 或者在西溪 或者我们是在服务客户 在我们的PGA业务或者 |
| 223 | whether we're serving fans in our Atlanta Falcons or Atlanta United and our stadium, which has been | 无论我们是在我们的亚特兰大猎鹰队 还是在亚特兰大联队和我们的体育场里为球迷效力 |
| 224 | voted number one state in the country the last two years, little plug. But everything we do | 过去两年来全国第一的州投票, 但我们所做的一切 |
| 225 | is all about service to others. So we know if we do the right things for the right reasons | 是为别人服务 所以,我们知道,如果我们做正确的事情 出于正确的理由 |
| 226 | in terms of the tactical decisions, but if we have this welcoming home, this welcoming feeling where | 但是如果我们有这种欢迎回家的感觉 |
| 227 | we're more concerned about who we're serving than about ourselves, that comes across with a sense | 我们更关心的是我们为谁服务,而不是我们自己, 这有某种感觉。 |
| 228 | of trust and caring. So an example would be, just to demonstrate that, in the National Football League, | 信任和关心。 举个例子 证明一下 在全国足球联赛中 |
| 229 | 32 teams the last two years, the Atlanta Falcons were voted number one in the NFL for fan experience. | 过去两年32支球队,亚特兰大猎鹰队在NFL因球迷体验而获得第一. |
| 230 | Major League Soccer, 24 teams were ranked number one in Major League Soccer in terms of fan | 大联盟足球队,24支球队在大联盟足球队的球迷方面排名第一. |
| 231 | experience. But it has to do a lot of different things in food and beverage and our unique | 经验 但它必须做很多不同的东西 在食物和饮料 和我们的独特 |
| 232 | strategy in that regard, but in the setting of the stadium. But beyond that, it has to do with | 在这方面,但设置体育场。 但除此之外,它与 |
| 233 | the fact that every single person in any of these venues that we're talking about feels like they're | 我们谈论的这些地方的每一个人 都觉得自己是 |
| 234 | an honored guest, feels like they are the reason we're there is to serve them. And I would say to | 一个受人尊敬的客人, 觉得他们是我们有 服务他们的原因。 我会说 |
| 235 | you, I mean, our associates are compensated well. But having said that, their greatest compensation, | 你,我的意思是,我们的同事 得到很好的补偿。 但是说到这个 他们最大的补偿 |
| 236 | in my view, is that they're seeing people smile every day. They're making people's dreams come | 在我看来 他们每天都在看人笑 他们让人们的梦想降临 |
| 237 | true. They're making people's problems go away. The sense of community, all of these things that | 没错 他们使人们的问题消失. 社区感,所有这些东西 |
| 238 | we share and talk about, I mean, they love all that. So our associates feel like, you know, | 我们分享和谈论, 我的意思是,他们喜欢这一切。 所以我们的同伙觉得,你知道, |
| 239 | I may have a tough day at home or a tough day. Maybe when they come into work, though, and they're | 我在家可能过得很辛苦 或者今天很辛苦 也许当他们来上班,虽然, 他们是 |
| 240 | confusing work with play and they're making the opportunity to serve right there is very powerful | 他们把工作和玩耍混为一谈 他们正在创造机会 |
| 241 | in terms of enriching their own experience. So, you know, that's a key driver in everything that | 在丰富自身经验方面。 所以,你知道,这是一个关键驱动器 在一切 |
| 242 | we do. We also feel strongly in community and giving back. And, you know, we do that with the | и穦 我们还强烈地感到在社区中,并给予回报。 而且,你知道,我们这样做与 |
| 243 | service and the businesses themselves, but we do it in a broader sense in terms of our own philanthropy, | 服务 和企业本身, 但我们在更广泛的意义上 做我们自己的慈善事业, |
| 244 | our family foundations, you know, $400 million since 1995, and that'll probably, you know, double | 我们的家庭基础, 你知道,4亿美元 自1995年以来, |
| 245 | and triple in the next 10 years. And then each of our businesses has an associate-led fund to | 并且在未来10年里增加三倍 然后我们每个企业都有一个联合领导的基金 |
| 246 | themselves, which is very, very significant in dollars. But the beauty of that is that | 以美元计算,这是非常,非常重要的。 但美丽的是 |
| 247 | these are not trained philanthropists. They're just associates. They're not executives necessarily. | 他们不是受过训练的慈善家。 他们只是同伙 他们不一定是高管 |
| 248 | They're trained, you know, to how to go through evaluations, et cetera. They make the decisions. | 他们受过训练 如何通过评估等等 他们做决定。 |
| 249 | They're closest to the people they're serving. They understand the communities they're living in. | 他们最接近他们所服务的人. 他们了解他们生活的社区。 |
| 250 | They understand their industries incredibly well. And so they make decisions about, you know, | 他们非常了解自己的产业 所以他们决定,你知道, |
| 251 | how much we're going to allocate in certain areas. And they do that work and we support them. | 我们在某些领域要分配多少 他们做这项工作,我们支持他们。 |
| 252 | We don't guide them. We just, you know, we give them X amount of dollars and they take care of it. | 我们不引导他们。 我们只是,你知道,我们给他们 X数额的美元 他们处理它。 |
| 253 | The beauty of that is that the associates feel a tremendous sense of pride then, | 美丽的是,合伙人们感到了巨大的自豪感, |
| 254 | not just in their work, quote unquote, which is having purpose in terms of serving others, | 不只是在他们的工作,引文未引, 它的目的在为他人服务, |
| 255 | but also they're part, they're physically part of going out and doing site visits in a variety of | 但他们也是其中的一部分, 他们身体上的一部分 出去和进行现场访问 各种各样的 |
| 256 | settings and making decisions about, you know, well, you know, we've been blessed here and how | 设置和做决定 关于,你知道, 好了,你知道,我们一直 祝福在这里和如何 |
| 257 | do we help others? You know, how do we, how do we do this work and expand it? So | 我们要帮别人吗? 你知道,我们如何,我们如何做这个工作,并扩展它? 这么说 |
| 258 | to have that pride, that gives the associates even more purpose and more sense of that. | 拥有这种自豪感, 使联系人 更有目的和更多的感。 |
| 259 | You know, and I've publicly said from my standpoint, look, whatever's left over, | 你知道,我已经公开说 从我的观点,看,不管剩下的, |
| 260 | 98% of my state is going to be going back through philanthropy, family foundation, | 98%的我州将回到慈善事业 家庭基金会 |
| 261 | my kids foundations, these associate led foundations, because I, you know, I've, | 我的孩子们的基金会, 这些合伙人领导的基金会, 因为我,你知道,我已经, |
| 262 | I don't need any more clothing. I don't need any more of anything. I need more, you know, | 我不需要任何更多的衣服。 我不需要任何东西。 我需要更多的,你知道, |
| 263 | growth myself. But, but I want to see, you know, I want to see the world a better place than it | 成长我自己。 但是,但我想看到,你知道, 我想看到世界 一个更好的地方比它 |
| 264 | is currently today and be part of that. And our associates feel that way. So the upside down | 目前是,并参与其中。 我们的同伙也这么想 所以颠倒 |
| 265 | pyramid, if you will, with guests, customers, fans on top and me on the bottom reinforces the message | 金字塔,如果你愿意, 有客人,顾客, 粉丝在上, 我在下层加强信息 |
| 266 | that the people that are most important are the people that we're serving. I mean, it's not, | 最重要的是我们所服务的人。 我的意思是,这不是, |
| 267 | you know, it's not a bunch of words. We embody that, we tell stories around that, etc. And then | 你知道,这不是一堆字。 我们表现了这一点,我们讲述了这些故事,等等。 礛 |
| 268 | we have our frontline associates who are the next ones that are touching and feeling all of our, | 我们的第一线同事是下一个 触摸和感受到我们所有的人, |
| 269 | all of our guests or our fans, customers. And then, you know, it's my job and other | 我们所有的客人或粉丝 顾客 然后,你知道,这是我的工作和其他 |
| 270 | associates at the leadership level to provide the environment to make sure they have the resources, | 提供环境以确保他们有资源, |
| 271 | to make sure they have the strategy, to make sure that we, we create goals for them that are | 确保他们有战略,确保我们,我们为他们创造目标 |
| 272 | reasonable, etc. And give them support. So, and your question, which is probably the best question | 讲理等. 并给他们支持。 所以,你的问题, 这也许是最好的问题 |
| 273 | that as a business person, you ask, is that, you know, often entrepreneur has a vision | 作为一个商人,你问,是,你知道, 企业家往往有远见 |
| 274 | and it's successful, but once they try to expand it, it becomes not successful. So, you know, at | 并且它很成功,但是一旦他们试图扩展它,它就变得不成功. 所以,你知道,在 |
| 275 | Home Depot, we, we struggled with that as well. We had four stores. I remember meeting with the | 家里的地盘,我们,我们也挣扎着去。 我们有四家店 我还记得我和 |
| 276 | gentleman from Goldman Sachs, who was the most highly regarded banker on Wall Street in the | 来自高盛的绅士 他是华尔街最受欢迎的银行家 |
| 277 | retail space. And, and he, he sat down with lunch and said, well, you have these four stores, | 零售空间。 然后他坐下来吃午饭 然后说 你有这四家店 |
| 278 | you know, in Atlanta, very successful and you have a unique culture, but, you know, he didn't ask me | 你知道,在亚特兰大,非常成功 你有一个独特的文化, 但是,你知道,他没有问我 |
| 279 | a question. I was only 37. So I was like, woo, meeting with this guy was a really big deal. | 一个问题。 我那时才37岁 所以我想,Woo, 和这家伙见面是一件大事。 |
| 280 | So I, you know, he said, as you expand, you're not going to be able to maintain this culture. | 所以我,你知道,他说,随着你的扩张, 你将无法维持这种文化。 |
| 281 | You're just not going to be able to do it. He said, you guys are so physically involved, | 你只是不能做到这一点。 他说,你们 如此的身体参与, |
| 282 | the level of training, the level of commitment, the level of their | 培训程度、承诺程度、 |
| 283 | social understanding, your viewpoints on all this. So it was troubling coming from here, | 社会理解,你的观点 所有这一切。 所以从这里过来很麻烦 |
| 284 | him, because we had aspirations to become a national company, which obviously was | 他,因为我们有 成为一家国家公司的愿望, |
| 285 | 2200 stores now and stores in Mexico, Canada and U S it's, you know, it's, you know, amazing story. | 现在有2200家商店 在墨西哥、加拿大和US都有,你知道,这是,你知道, 惊人的故事。 |
| 286 | But the key to that was not what's on a piece of paper, not the six core values that we live. | 但关键不是纸上的东西, 也不是我们生活的六大核心价值。 |
| 287 | It was not really the inverted triangle, but the ability to make sure that what we would term it | 这其实不是倒数三角形 而是确保我们称之为三角形的能力 |
| 288 | in case of Home Depot was an orange apron. So it was orange, a lot of orange in our business | 以防Home Depot是橙色围裙 所以是橙色,很多橙色 在我们的生意中 |
| 289 | that our associates, you know, bled orange, if you will. And what that means is that | 我们的同伙,你知道, 流血橙色,如果你愿意。 而这意味着 |
| 290 | they understood the values. We didn't make them write them down. We didn't make them, | 他们理解价值观。 我们没有让他们写下来 我们没有制造它们, |
| 291 | they weren't the same exactly in this order, but did they live them? Could they articulate | 但是他们活下来了吗? 他们能说清楚吗? |
| 292 | them in whatever words they want to, but most importantly, could they live them? | 他们想说什么都行 但最重要的是 他们能活下来吗? |
| 293 | And, and so we became very paranoid about succession planning, making sure that when | 所以我们开始对接班计划很偏执 确保什么时候 |
| 294 | people got promoted that it's not the first question was not, are they technically really | 人们被提拔,这不是第一个问题, 他们技术上真的 |
| 295 | good at what they're doing? Whether it be in a store or a store support center, even our | 擅长他们在做什么? 不管是在商店还是商店支持中心 甚至是我们的 |
| 296 | headquarters, if you will, we always call them store support centers because they were there | 总部,如果你愿意,我们总是叫他们 商店支持中心,因为他们在那里 |
| 297 | to support the stores that were supporting our customers. But the key was, you know, | 支持那些支持我们客户的商店 但关键是,你知道, |
| 298 | do they understand it? And so understand our value set and they live it. If they live it, | 他们明白吗? 所以理解我们的价值和他们的生活。 如果他们活下来 |
| 299 | they had a chance to move ahead, become a store manager, become a district manager, | 他们有机会前进 成为商店经理 成为地区经理 |
| 300 | whatever it may be. If they didn't, it didn't mean they were a bad person, but we put them in | 无论它是什么。 如果不是,那不代表他们是坏人 但我们把他们放进去了 |
| 301 | another, another area where their ability to affect, you know, large numbers of people were | 另一个领域,他们的能力 影响,你知道,大量的人 |
| 302 | not going to be as great. So that ability to understand and live our values and become a | 没那么好 因此,我们有能力理解和 生活我们的价值观,并成为一个 |
| 303 | role model and lead by examples, one of our core values lead by example. So you saw last night | 我们的核心价值之一,就是榜样和榜样。 你昨晚看见了 |
| 304 | that I served pie. So, I mean, you know, this is maybe off the subject a little bit, but I mean, | 我为馅饼服务。 所以,我的意思是,你知道, 这也许是 离开话题 一点点,但我的意思是, |
| 305 | the example is it's important. It's not just important. I do it at Mountain Sky as well. Our | 例子就是它很重要。 这不仅仅是重要的。 我也会在山上天空做 我们 |
| 306 | guest ranch opens to the public because, you know, I want the guests that really see me in a position | 客场对公众开放 因为,你知道,我要那些真正看到我的客人 |
| 307 | of service to others. I want associates to see that. It's not just a bunch of words actually | 服务于他人。 我想让合伙人看看 其实不只是一堆话 |
| 308 | leading by example is nothing that I wouldn't do to help. Last year at Mountain Sky, I was sitting | 以身作则,我帮不了你 去年在山天,我坐着 |
| 309 | in the bar area and having a drink and I heard somebody say, well, you know, our bathroom is not | 在酒吧里喝酒 我听到有人说 我们的浴室不是 |
| 310 | working and you know, it's over there. So I went and I fixed it myself and there was another one | 工作,你知道, 它在那里。 于是我去了,我自己修好了 还有一个 |
| 311 | that wasn't working. I fixed it myself. So, you know, I came back. I just, you know, that's kind | 没用的 我亲自修好的 所以,你知道,我回来了。 我只是,你知道, 这是善良的 |
| 312 | of my nature. You know, it's not working. Go fix it. It's not a matter of title of who I am. I didn't | 我天生的天性,我爱她 你知道,这是行不通的。 去修补一下 与我是谁无关 我没有 |
| 313 | ask anybody else to do it. I did it myself. So the associates next day, I had a couple say to me, | 问别人做。 我亲手做的 第二天 合伙人们说 |
| 314 | we heard that you actually were fixing toilets yesterday. I said, well, yeah, I mean, it wasn't, | 我们听说你昨天在修厕所 我说,是啊,我的意思是,它不是, |
| 315 | you know, I mean, it's part of what we do is that we have to lead by example and those storytelling, | 你知道,我的意思是,这是我们的一部分 我们要做的是,我们必须领导 以实例和那些故事, |
| 316 | those examples and picking the right people behind that that understand those things and | 这些例子 并选择正确的人 背后,了解那些东西 |
| 317 | live those things are the way you expand a organization over a broader scale. If you have | 生活那些东西是你扩大一个组织的方式 在更广泛的范围。 如果你有的话 |
| 318 | really bright people, they don't get what you're doing. They don't get your purpose and your vision | 非常聪明的人, 他们不明白你在做什么。 他们不明白你的目的和远见 |
| 319 | and it's not going to work. Doesn't mean they're not right. Doesn't mean they're not good. Doesn't | 它不会工作。 不代表他们不对 也不代表他们不好 没有 |
| 320 | mean they don't have a different purpose in life, but they're not going to be able to support your | 意思是他们人生没有不同的目的 但是他们不能支持你 |
| 321 | organization. So, um, you know, much of what you're doing and expanding it so incredibly in | 组织。 所以,嗯,你知道, 大部分你在做什么 和扩张如此不可思议的在 |
| 322 | the last three years, um, you know, you have to have the right people around you. People who | 过去三年,嗯,你知道, 你必须有合适的人在你身边。 这些人 |
| 323 | want to stand Jay Shetty, people want to stand your value set. I mean, they can have their own, | 想要忍受杰伊·谢蒂 人们想要忍受你的价值观 我的意思是,他们可以有自己的, |
| 324 | but it has to be in a certain sense, has to have sense of service and sense of purpose, | 但它必须是在某种意义上, 必须有服务感和目的感, |
| 325 | deeply ingrained as well. Absolutely, absolutely. And thank you so much. That was a beautiful | 深沉内蕴也. 当然,绝对的。 非常感谢 真漂亮,这太美了 |
| 326 | answer by the way. And amazing to hear that you were fixing toilets and definitely saw you | 顺便回答一下 听说你在修厕所 绝对看到你 |
| 327 | pie yesterday. But no, I think it's, I think it's amazing. And I've definitely felt that | 馅饼昨天。 但是,不,我认为它是, 我觉得这是惊人的。 我绝对觉得 |
| 328 | with you personally this week, just how personal you are with everyone and how much you make sure | 这周你个人, 只是你如何个人 对每个人, |
| 329 | and check in with everyone and making sure we're all okay, which is, which has really been beautiful | 和所有的人一起检查,确保 我们都没事,这是, 这是真的很漂亮 |
| 330 | and very, very amazing to see that as well. And that answer was amazing because for me, | 并且非常非常令人惊奇地看到这一点。 答案是惊人的 因为对我来说 |
| 331 | that is what defines leadership. When I meet someone I'm most endeared by their humility | 这就是领导力的定义。 当我遇到一个人时,我最被他们的谦卑感动 |
| 332 | and by their character more than how much money they've made or how successful they are. | 和他们的性格 超过他们赚了多少钱或有多成功。 |
| 333 | And I think that's all of us. We, we remember people based on how they make us feel as opposed | 我想这就是我们所有人。 我们,我们记得人们基于 他们如何让我们感到反对 |
| 334 | to what they have or what they say. And I think the fact that you've been able to do that in an | 他们有的,有的,有的。 我认为,你已经能够做到这一点 在一个 |
| 335 | organization, tell me about a time Arthur, where actually you may have made a mistake or a failure | 组织,告诉我一个时间 亚瑟,实际上 你可能犯了错误或失败 |
| 336 | in the organization. And I'm sure there were many, but any of that stand out to you where | 在组织。 我敢肯定,有很多, 但任何这种突出的你在哪里 |
| 337 | you really learned an important lesson that stayed with you, that made you change something. | 你学到了一个重要的教训 留在你身边 让你改变一些事情 |
| 338 | I hope there weren't too many, but there were some. I'll give you an example. And this was one | 我希望没有太多, 但有一些。 举个例子 这个是 |
| 339 | at Home Depot as an example. We, the only acquisition we made when, when I was there | 举个例子, 我们,我们唯一的收购 当我在那里 |
| 340 | and Bernie was there was a group of nine stores that were in our industry. They had stores in | 伯尼当时有9家商店 在我们的行业。 他们有商店 |
| 341 | Dallas and elsewhere in Louisiana and Mobile and Baton Rouge, et cetera. And so we acquired the | 达拉斯和路易斯安那州其他地方还有莫比尔和巴吞鲁日等地. 所以我们获得了 |
| 342 | stores. And then what our decision was that we didn't want to lose the volume that they had. | 商店。 然后我们的决定是 我们不想失去他们拥有的体积 |
| 343 | It was a fraction of the volume that we had, but we didn't want to lose it on a very paranoid | 我们的体积只有一小部分 但是我们不想因为一个很偏执的人而失去它 |
| 344 | about losing volume focused always on revenue. And so we decided to keep them open and change | 损失量总是集中在收入上 于是我们决定让他们保持开放和改变 |
| 345 | the stores. So it really was kind of like changing tires on a car that's going, you know, | 店铺。 所以,它真的有点像 更换轮胎在汽车上,它要去,你知道, |
| 346 | even 30 miles an hour, it gets very ugly, very difficult to do, et cetera, et cetera. | 甚至30英里每小时, 它变得非常丑陋, 非常难做,等等,等等。 |
| 347 | So we reopened the stores. We realized we had physically, we had changed the stores. They look | 所以我们重新开店了 我们意识到我们有身体, 我们换了商店。 他们看 |
| 348 | like traditional Home Depot stores, great stores, but the, the associates didn't really get us | 像传统的"家锅店", 伟大的商店, 但是,合伙人并没有真正得到我们 |
| 349 | because we hadn't really put them through the kind of training and exposure and understanding | 因为我们没有真正让他们 经历这样的训练 接触和理解 |
| 350 | that was critical to all of our associates. So there's a separation there from, you know, | 这对我们所有的同事都是至关重要的。 因此,有一个分离 那里与,你知道, |
| 351 | our value set, which drives everything to the people that were serving the customers who, | 我们的值集, 它驱动一切的人 那些服务客户, |
| 352 | you know, were well intended, but they didn't understand our priorities. They understood | 你知道,是很好的打算, 但他们不明白我们的优先事项。 他们明白 |
| 353 | the traditional priorities, which was not as rigorous about customer service as ours was. | 传统的优先事项, 并没有像我们那样严格地对待客户服务。 |
| 354 | So we ended up closing those stores for a short while and, you know, putting everything on pause, | 所以,我们最后关闭了这些商店 短暂的一段时间,你知道, 把一切都暂停, |
| 355 | taking all the associates, training them, doing everything we had to do, et cetera, et cetera. | 带走所有同伙 训练他们 做我们该做的 |
| 356 | When they reopened, they reopened as, as our Home Depot stores. So I, I think that was an example | 当他们重新开放时,他们重新开放 作为,我们的Home Depot商店。 所以我,我认为那是一个例子 |
| 357 | of where we got a little ahead of ourselves and probably, you know, forgot to check certain boxes | 可能忘了检查一些箱子 |
| 358 | that we needed to check. Another example, and both in our PGA business today is a good example. | 我们需要检查。 另一个例子,以及我们今天在议员全球联盟事务中的两个例子,是一个很好的例子。 |
| 359 | We're, we're expanding at about a million square feet in golf retail in the next, | 我们正以百万平方英尺的速度 进行高尔夫零售 |
| 360 | next five years, which is there's nobody in golf retail expanding anywhere. And | 接下来的5年里,高尔夫球零售业 没人在任何地方扩张。 还有 |
| 361 | people talk to us saying, but it's been extraordinarily successful. But the point is that | 人们和我们说话,但非常成功 但重点是 |
| 362 | those stores require a high level of service and people understanding the industry, club fitting, | 这些商店需要高水平的服务 人们了解行业,俱乐部的装配, |
| 363 | ball fitting, you know, et cetera, et cetera, and, and relationships to customers, et cetera. So | 和客户的关系等等 这么说 |
| 364 | to our guests in the store. So, you know, we take a lot of time now in moving a large group | 给店里的客人 所以,你知道,我们花了很多时间 现在移动一大群 |
| 365 | of people to the new store to make sure that we don't make that mistake again. So those number | 保证我们不会再犯那个错误 所以这些号码 |
| 366 | of people can train the additional 40, 50, 60 people that we're hiring and making sure that | 训练40、50、60人 我们所雇用的并确保 |
| 367 | they get our culture. So, you know, culture really drives everything that we do. I mean, | 他们得到我们的文化。 所以,你知道,文化 真正驱动我们所做的一切。 我是说... |
| 368 | everything we do, those value sets, they dry every, everything that we do. And, you know, | 我们所做的一切, 那些价值集,它们干 每一个,我们所做的一切。 还有,你知道, |
| 369 | the body can only absorb change at a certain rate and pace at a certain rate. So I think it's, | 身体只能以一定的速度和速度吸收变化。 所以我认为, |
| 370 | it's important to be able to acknowledge that and make sure that, you know, whatever your culture is, | 重要的是要能够承认这一点 并确保,你知道,不管你的文化是什么, |
| 371 | it doesn't get diluted as you expand more often than not, it does happen. I've had some experiences | 它不会被稀释 随着你的扩张 更频繁,它发生。 我有一些经验 |
| 372 | and, you know, one other example of that, when we went at Home Depot, we start to expand into the | 还有一个例子,当我们到Home Depot时, 我们开始扩张到 |
| 373 | Midwest. We went to Detroit with a group of stores and we realized then we were opening up | 中西报. 我们和一群店铺一起去了底特律 然后我们意识到我们打开了 |
| 374 | stores and we had store and a half store every day and a half and that we couldn't really sustain | 商店,我们有 商店和半商店 每天半,我们无法真正维持 |
| 375 | that rate of growth. So we went to the board, Bernie and I, and we said, look, we've decided | 这个增长率。 所以我们去董事会,伯尼和我, 我们说,看,我们已经决定 |
| 376 | we're going to maintain growth rate of no more than 25% a year. It had nothing to do with financial | 我们将保持每年不超过25%的增长率。 这与财务无关 |
| 377 | modeling and everything. It had to do with how many associates could we impact, you know, hire, | 做模特什么的 这和我们有多少同伙可以影响, 你知道,雇用, |
| 378 | impact, train, make sure they understood our orientation, became Home Depot fanatics, | 撞击 火车 确保他们了解我们的方向 成为"家宅"狂热分子 |
| 379 | blood orange, you know, all those things we asked them to do. We said that's the most that we can | 血橙,你知道,所有那些事情 我们要求他们做。 我们说,这是我们所能做的 |
| 380 | possibly do. So we, we kept our growth down to a point that we can, that we can still produce | 也许吧 因此,我们,我们保持 我们的成长到一个点 我们能够,我们仍然可以生产 |
| 381 | the kind of success and deliver the kind of experiences in all of our businesses. Same | 我们所有企业的成功和体验 一样 |
| 382 | thing happens out here at the ranch is that we've made some adjustments over the years. | 在牧场发生的事情是 我们做了一些调整 多年来。 |
| 383 | We do it very slowly, very modestly, because we don't want the experience to change and we | 我们这样做非常缓慢,非常谦虚,因为我们不希望 经验改变,我们 |
| 384 | want to make sure that everybody's ready for the change. Absolutely, absolutely. And that's | 要确保每个人都做好改变的准备 当然,绝对的。 这是 |
| 385 | amazing advice for all of us, anyone who's listening or watching right now and is growing | 给我们所有人的惊人建议, 任何人谁正在听或看 现在和正在增长 |
| 386 | a small team into a larger one, an entrepreneur that's expanding their business. Culture is that | 一个小团队变成一个更大的团队, 一个企业家正在扩展他们的业务。 文化就是这样 |
| 387 | thing that's going to make sure that you succeed in the long run and it's so easy to hire fast and | 这会确保你的成功 从长远来看, 它是如此容易雇用快速和 |
| 388 | hire quickly. And I know Alex and I, and with the businesses that I work with right now, | 快请吧 我认识亚历克斯和我, 和我现在合作的生意, |
| 389 | we're actually some of the slowest hiring people in the world. | 我们其实是世界上最慢的 雇佣人员。 |
| 390 | Well, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's terribly important. I mean, I, I had a CEO of | 嗯,这是,这是,这是, 你知道,这是,这是非常重要的。 我是说,我有一个首席执行官 |
| 391 | a major competitor of ours meet with me once I was actually playing golf over to Guster as a guest | 我们的一位主要竞争者 曾经和我见面 我打高尔夫球到古斯特做客 |
| 392 | and he was there and he said to me, well, you know, if you're here around lunchtime, I'm out | 他在那里,他对我说, 好吧,你知道,如果你在这里 在午餐时间,我出去了 |
| 393 | on the putting green and, you know, come over and say hi. And I, I knew him. So I did. So, | 来打个招呼 我认识他 所以我就这么做了 So I did. 这么说 |
| 394 | and he had left, he had left the company at that point. And he said, you know, we sent, | 他离开了,他离开了公司。 他说,你知道,我们发送, |
| 395 | we probably visited 200 of your stores a year and that neck at that point in time, | 我们大概一年去你店里看两百家店 那时候的脖子 |
| 396 | we had stores in Chile as well. He said, and we could copy everything. We copy the size, | 我们在智利也有商店 他说,我们可以复制一切。 我们复制大小, |
| 397 | the pricing, the assortment, the signing, I mean, everything. He said, he said we'd go around and | 定价,种类,签名,我的意思是,一切。 他说,他说我们会绕过去 |
| 398 | ask people, you know, culture thing, value thing. And no matter where we went, no matter who we | 问人们,你知道,文化的事情,价值的事情。 不管我们去哪里 不管我们是谁 |
| 399 | spoke to, they all said the same thing in their own words, but they all were doing the same thing. | 他们都说了同样的话,但他们都做了同样的事情。 |
| 400 | And we were not able to do that in our company. And, but that's because, you know, we recognize | 我们无法在公司里做到这一点。 但这是因为,你知道,我们承认 |
| 401 | the importance in that. It was not a new message every single day. It was the same messages over | 这点很重要 这不是每天都有新的信息。 同样的讯息 |
| 402 | and over and over and over again to the point where people said, oh boy, here we go again. | 一遍又一遍地走到人们说,哦,孩子,我们又来了。 |
| 403 | Listen to customer service. And every example that we could find of great customer service, | 听客户服务。 每一个我们能找到的伟大的客户服务的例子, |
| 404 | we celebrated that. I mean, we had issues with, you know, that we had to struggle with as well | 我们庆祝过 我的意思是,我们有问题, 你知道,我们不得不与 |
| 405 | as a company, but we celebrated the successes and particularly it weren't successes in how many | 作为一家公司,我们庆祝了成功, 特别是没有成功多少 |
| 406 | stores you opened up. The fact that our earnings per share grew at 49% a year for 23 years or stock | 你开的店 23年来,我们每股收入每年增长49%或股票 |
| 407 | grew that quickly. We didn't talk about the stock market and how wealthy we were making people, | 长得很快 我们没有谈论股票市场 和我们是如何富有的人, |
| 408 | though we had a lot of pride in that because then we gave other people the financial capacity to | 虽然我们对此感到非常骄傲,因为那时我们给予其他人经济能力 |
| 409 | make a difference in their own lives and have a financial purpose in their lives and taking care | 改变自己的生活,在生活和照顾方面有经济目的; |
| 410 | of their family, extended family community, giving back. But so it was, it's a, you know, | 他们的家人,大家庭社区, 回报。 但是,它是一个,你知道, |
| 411 | it's a beautiful model because it's, it's one where associates and who you're serving | 这是一个美丽的模型,因为它是, 这是一个在那里的合伙人和 你服务谁 |
| 412 | all appreciate the investment you've made in doing the right things for the right reasons. | 大家都很欣赏你为了正确的理由 投资做正确的事情 |
| 413 | Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And like you said earlier, the Arthur and Blank Family Foundation | 当然 当然 就像你刚才说的 亚瑟和布兰克家庭基金会 |
| 414 | has given $400 million over since 1995 to so many incredible ventures and many of them have been in | 自1995年以来,向如此多的令人难以置信的事业提供了4亿美元,其中许多事业是: |
| 415 | the space of childhood development, education in the arts and parks and green space. And I wanted | 儿童发展空间、艺术和公园教育以及绿色空间。 而我却想要 |
| 416 | to know why you specifically selected each of those three. I mean, they're so beautiful in their | 知道你为什么选择了这三种 我的意思是,他们是如此美丽 在他们的 |
| 417 | own right, but I'd love to know from your own perspective as to why you believe those three | 但我想从你的角度 知道你为什么相信这三个人 |
| 418 | areas are so important. Well, I think, you know, anything, it doesn't have to be in Montana, | 这些领域非常重要。 嗯,我想,你知道,任何事情, 它不必在蒙大拿州, |
| 419 | obviously, because most people don't live here. But, you know, anything connected to green space, | 显然,因为大多数人不住在这里。 但是,你知道,任何与绿色空间相关的, |
| 420 | to parks, to nature, to getting outside, to find that solitude, that quietness, that | 去公园 去自然界 去外面 去寻找孤独 安静 |
| 421 | place where you can reflect and a place where you actually can, you know, go with family and friends | 你能够反省的地方 以及你能够和亲朋好友去的地方 |
| 422 | and experience things that aren't driven by, you know, on my phone every three and a half minutes | 我每三分钟半的手机里 都会有不由我驱动的东西 |
| 423 | or less. So I think that, you know, that's an area that we've always felt very, very strongly about. | 或少一点。 所以,我想,你知道, 这是一个我们一直感到非常,非常强烈的领域。 |
| 424 | Obviously, we're involved in conservation here in Montana as well and elsewhere in the West. | 显然,我们参与保护 在蒙大拿州 和西方其他地方。 |
| 425 | So it wasn't, it's not just these two ranches, which we think are models in terms of ranches | 因此,它不是,它不只是这两个牧场, 我们认为这是模范的牧场 |
| 426 | should operate, not just from a guest standpoint, but from, you know, in terms of the actual ag | 不仅从客人的角度,而且从实际角度来说 |
| 427 | process that we have going on. So we've always felt strongly about that. Being outside, | 我们继续前进的进程。 所以我们一直对此有强烈的感受。 在外面的时候, |
| 428 | being connected to nature, being connected to people that you're outside with, | 与自然有关 与你外面的人有关 |
| 429 | it opens up a different perspective on viewing the world and viewing each other | 它打开了不同的视角 看待世界和彼此 |
| 430 | and having that sense of community. That sense of community is so important. I was raised in an | 和有这种社区感。 这种社会意识非常重要。 我从小长大 |
| 431 | apartment house and as well the rest of my family. But, you know, it's interesting is that in those | 公寓和我的家人都一样 但是,你知道,这是有趣的 在那些 |
| 432 | apartment houses when it was during the summer when it was warm, even in the fall and spring, | 夏天暖和时的公寓 即使在秋天和春天 |
| 433 | it was in New York City, people would bring their little chairs downstairs and everybody would sit | 在纽约市 人们会把小椅子带到楼下 大家都会坐下 |
| 434 | like outside the apartment because they had that, you know, that need desire for connection to | 就像公寓外面,因为他们有, 你知道,那需要 想要连接到 |
| 435 | others. And I think that's true whether you're living in an apartment or whether you're living | 别人。 我想你住在公寓里还是住 |
| 436 | in a home or whether you're living. So we at our ranches, we don't promote the use of technology. | 在家里,或者你是否活着。 所以我们的牧场, 我们不提倡使用技术。 |
| 437 | Sorry, Jay, apologize for that. But I mean, you know, there are places where people can use | 对不起,杰伊,为此道歉。 但是,你知道,有些地方 人们可以使用 |
| 438 | technology because of conferences and other work, but we don't actively promote it. We want people | 技术因为会议和其他工作, 但我们不积极推广它。 我们要人 |
| 439 | to get outside. We want people to experience nature. We want people to touch and feel things | 出来。 我们希望人们体验大自然。 我们要人们摸摸感受 |
| 440 | and that silence and that solitude and that, you know, finding a quietness with themselves, | 沉默,孤独, 和,你知道,找到一个安静自己, |
| 441 | that intercom, which they can do so beautifully in nature. Public education has always been a big | 那对讲机,他们在自然界可以做这么美的。 公共教育一向是一大堆 |
| 442 | issue for me. I went through a public school my whole life. I didn't go to private school, | 给我发一份 我一辈子都读公立学校 我没有上私立学校 |
| 443 | so I went to college. I went to small business school, Babson College out of Boston. | 所以我上了大学。 我在波士顿的巴布森学院上小商业学校 |
| 444 | And so I feel like, you know, the more that we can do in terms of public education at a higher level | 所以我觉得,你知道, 在高等教育方面我们可以做的越多 |
| 445 | creates, you know, really unlocks minds of all of our young people. That exposure, | 创造出我们所有年轻人的心灵 那个曝光, |
| 446 | Thomas Friedman was right many years ago when he wrote his book, The World is Flat. | 托马斯·弗里德曼(英语:Thomas Friedman)在很多年前写他的书"世界是平坦的"的时候是正确的. |
| 447 | And I think we're realizing that more and more and more over time. The book's 25 years old, | 我认为我们逐渐意识到这一点。 该书的25年, |
| 448 | but reality is that we're seeing that every day. It's coming less curved and more flat | 但现实是,我们每天都看到这一点。 变小了,变平了 |
| 449 | and everybody's connected. And I think, you know, that's a wonderful thing. | 每个人的连接。 我认为,你知道,这是一件美妙的事情。 |
| 450 | So I think, you know, public education, because not everybody or very few people can afford, | 所以我想,你知道, 公共教育, 因为不是每个人或极少数的人可以负担, |
| 451 | you know, private schools and, you know, kind of an answer that just works for a handful of people | 你知道,私立学校 和,你知道,一种答案 只是工作为少数人 |
| 452 | relatively. So that's always been very important to my family and my children as well. And they're | 相对的 这对我的家人和孩子都很重要 他们是 |
| 453 | very actively involved in that arena. So those are some of the things. We do a lot of work | 非常积极地参与这个舞台。 这些是其中的一些东西。 我们做很多工作 |
| 454 | in areas of culture because we think culture is another way. There's a lot of times it's | 在文化领域,因为我们认为文化是另一种方式。 有很多时候 |
| 455 | too much of an emphasis, in my opinion, on book learning and what have you. And some people learn | 我认为,过于强调书本学习和你有什么。 有些人会学习 |
| 456 | differently. They learn by expressing themselves through yoga, through arts, through athletics, | 不一样 他们通过瑜伽、艺术、运动来表达自己 |
| 457 | through whatever it may be, music, drama. And so I think you have to let people kind of find | 无论它是什么,音乐,戏剧。 所以我觉得你必须让别人找到 |
| 458 | themselves in those ways as well. Sadly, within the public education area, a lot of those | 自己也一样 可悲的是,在公共教育领域,许多 |
| 459 | opportunities for expression have been cut back and eliminated. So we'd like to see more of that | 表达机会被削减和取消。 所以我们想多看看 |
| 460 | expanded over time because I think it's very healthy for everybody. Yeah, I love that how | 随着时间的推移,因为我认为这对每个人都很健康。 是啊,我喜欢这样 |
| 461 | you've chosen three things that encourage so much internal growth. Like I feel like your investment | 你选择了三件事来鼓励 这么多的内部成长。 感觉就像你的投资 |
| 462 | in parks and green spaces is about people finding internal calm. And even this week, we've had all | 在公园和绿地里 人们要找到内部平静 连这周 我们都有 |
| 463 | these incredible outdoor activities that you've arranged and the teams arranged here for everyone | 这些不可思议的户外活动,你安排了 和团队在这里为每个人安排 |
| 464 | to partake in. And we've seen how people are bonding closer when they're out and about in | 参与其中。 我们已经看到人们如何紧密的纽带 当他们出来和关于 |
| 465 | green spaces and outdoors and going on these beautiful walks and riding or whatever else it | 绿色的空间和室外 继续这些美丽的行走和骑马 或别的什么 |
| 466 | may be. And especially what you're speaking about, the education system, of course. And then I think | 也许 特别是你所说的,教育系统,当然。 然后,我想, |
| 467 | you're spot on when you talk about how arts and the arts allow us to express ourselves more | 当你谈论艺术和艺术 如何让我们表达更多自我时,你就会露面 |
| 468 | effectively and how that's never always encouraged. And so your investment in that space, I'm sure, | 和如何永远鼓励。 所以,你在这个空间的投资,我敢肯定, |
| 469 | has made a big difference. Well, I think, as you know, and many of our guests know that, | 已经做了一个很大的改变。 嗯,我想,你知道, 我们的许多客人都知道, |
| 470 | you know, that education, you know, the book education is very important. The life education | 你知道,教育,你知道, 书教育是非常重要的。 生活教育 |
| 471 | is, in many cases, even more important than exposure and what have you. It's one of the | 在许多情况下 比曝光更重要 和你有什么。 这是其中之一 |
| 472 | reasons we, our foundation has just started to invest on an international basis. We're doing | 我们的基金会刚刚开始在国际上进行投资。 我们做 |
| 473 | work in Africa, doing work in the Caribbean, et cetera. But one of the reasons is not because, | 在非洲工作,在加勒比工作,等等。 但其中一个原因不是因为, |
| 474 | you know, I mean, we don't have enough opportunities within the United States. | 你知道,我的意思是,我们没有 足够的机会在美国。 |
| 475 | We do, and needs we do. But I wanted to send an important message, you know, to our family | 我们这样做,需要我们这样做。 但我想给我们的家人传达一个重要信息 |
| 476 | and to our associates is that, you know, not just talking about, you know, humankind being connected, | 而对我们的同伙来说, 你知道,不只是谈论, 你知道,人类被连接, |
| 477 | but actually demonstrate that. So in the case of Nigeria, where 60% of the population lives on | 但实际上证明了这一点。 在尼日利亚,60%的人口生活在 |
| 478 | less than a dollar a day, you know, we want people to be aware of that. And, you know, how do we | 一天不到一美元,你知道, 我们希望人们知道这一点。 而且,你知道,我们如何 |
| 479 | participate and support answers in those areas of the world? So I think that the notion that we are | 参与和支持世界这些地区的答案? 所以我认为我们是 |
| 480 | brothers keepers, which is part of our faith and the faith of, you know, part of everybody's faiths, | 弟兄们,这是我们信仰的一部分 也是每个人信仰的一部分 |
| 481 | I believe, is very important. And it's not just it starts maybe with your family, your extended | 我认为,非常重要。 不只是从你的家人开始,从你的延伸开始 |
| 482 | family, your community, but it really has to include everybody on the face of the earth. | 家庭,你的社区,但它真的必须 包括地球上的每一个人。 |
| 483 | That's why the earth is important. You know, the earth is important because we all live here. | 故地为重. 你知道,地球很重要,因为我们都住在这里。 |
| 484 | We got to take care of it a little better than we have been. Absolutely. That resonates so strongly | 我们得比以前好一点 当然 这回响是如此强烈 |
| 485 | with me because one of the reasons why I became a monk and one of our teachings was that you became | 和我在一起是因为我成为僧侣的原因之一 也是我们的教义之一 |
| 486 | a monk and you were free from your basic family responsibilities so that you could see the whole | 一个和尚,你没有基本家庭责任 这样你就可以看到整个 |
| 487 | world as your family and so that you could go and extend yourself even further. And I think it's | 和你的家庭一样 让你能更进一步地伸展自己 我觉得 |
| 488 | beautiful to see you do that. I mean, you have six children and six grandchildren, six and six. | 很高兴看到你这样做。 我的意思是,你有六个孩子和六个孙子,六个和六个。 |
| 489 | Yeah, six and six. What is your, what is the legacy? Several dogs, a couple of dogs as well. | 对,六和六 你的遗产是什么? 有几条狗,还有几条狗 |
| 490 | Amazing. And horses? And horses. What is the legacy that you're hoping that they're going to | 厉害 马呢? 还有马匹 你所希望的遗产是什么? |
| 491 | carry forward to the future generations as the foundation grows? Well, I don't, you know, | 随着基础的不断壮大,向后代传承? 嗯,我没有,你知道, |
| 492 | I think it's important for them to find themselves. You know, they need to climb their own mountains. | 我觉得他们找到自己很重要 你知道,他们需要爬自己的山。 |
| 493 | They need to explore themselves. They need to, you know, fall down and pick themselves up. | 他们需要探索自己。 他们需要,你知道, 倒下和捡起自己。 |
| 494 | Need to learn, deal with adversity and growth, both physically and personally. So our older | 需要学习、应对逆境和增长,无论是身体还是个人。 所以,我们的老 |
| 495 | children are all involved in our family foundation and are actively involved in a variety of areas | 儿童都参与我们的家庭基金会,并积极参与各个领域 |
| 496 | that we've talked about. Many we haven't, but they're involved in all of them. In addition to | 我们谈过的 许多我们没有,但他们都参与其中。 况乎. |
| 497 | that, they're each one is starting their own foundation now, much smaller, but I want to see, | 这,他们每个人都开始 他们自己的基础现在, 更小, 但我想看看, |
| 498 | make sure they know how to evaluate, make sure they know how to do their work, et cetera, because | 确保她们知道如何评估,确保她们知道如何开展工作,等等,因为 |
| 499 | the, when you're giving, you're giving, you're always getting more. I mean, it makes no difference | 当你付出,你付出, 你总是得到更多的。 我的意思是,它没有区别 |
| 500 | whether it's physical work or financial, whatever it may be, the more we give, the more we get back. | 不管是体力工作还是财政工作 不管是什么 我们付出的越多 我们就越会回来 |
| 501 | That's just kind of the way the math of the world works, the universe and our, and our soul works. | 这就是世界的数学原理, 宇宙和我们,以及我们的灵魂。 |
| 502 | So the younger children have age, age appropriate exposure to philanthropy, | 因此,年幼的孩子有年龄, 年龄适当接触慈善, |
| 503 | 122 to 18. So they're younger, but they're getting exposed to it mostly by doing, | 122对18。 所以他们比较年轻,但他们 接触它大多通过做, |
| 504 | not by writing checks, but by doing things and being connected in service in a variety of ways. | 而不是通过写支票, 而是通过做事情 和在服务中连接 以各种方式。 |
| 505 | And they're interested in all of our businesses as well. But, you know, bringing them along very | 他们也对我们所有的业务感兴趣。 但是,你知道,带他们一起非常 |
| 506 | slowly and making sure they understand our values, that nothing is going to be given to them. Whatever | 慢慢地,确保他们理解我们的价值观, 让他们不会得到任何东西。 随便啦 |
| 507 | they get has to be earned and earned primarily through understanding these values, living these | 他们必须主要通过了解这些价值来挣钱和挣钱, |
| 508 | values, being a great role model, caring about community, caring about others, caring about | 价值,作为一个伟大的榜样,关心社区,关心他人,关心 |
| 509 | service, caring about purpose. And, you know, my, my hope, my desire as a parent is that, you know, | 服务,关心目的。 而且,你知道,我的,我的希望, 我作为一个父母的愿望是,你知道, |
| 510 | the children will grow when I'm long gone and they will have their own, you know, their own set of | 孩子们会长大,当我走了很久, 他们会有自己的,你知道, 他们自己的一套 |
| 511 | values, the values hopefully they've learned from their mother, their mothers and their father. | 希望他们从母亲、母亲和父亲那里学到的价值观。 |
| 512 | And they'll continue to do, you know, the work that we're doing today and expand it. I mean, | 他们将继续做,你知道的, 我们今天正在做的工作,并扩展它。 我是说... |
| 513 | I don't, I don't have a written set of things. These are the seven things we're going to do | 我没有,我没有一套写的东西。 这些是我们要做的七件事 |
| 514 | after I'm gone. So I'm not going to manage my foundation for my grave. I have enough faith in | 我离开之后 所以我不会管理我的坟墓基础 我有足够的信心 |
| 515 | my children and they'll make the right decisions based on the passions. They know their father has | 我的孩子,他们会做出正确的决定 基于激情。 他们知道他们的父亲 |
| 516 | their own passions, which are critical. So they're really feeling they're doing the work that's | 他们自己的激情,这是关键。 他们真的觉得自己在做 |
| 517 | important to them and that they are doing work that's important in terms of the times that we're | 对他们很重要,他们正在做的工作 对我们的时代很重要 |
| 518 | facing. So there's well-being, you know, wellness, well-being notion is, is that a critical mass, | 面对。 所以有福利,你知道, 福利,福利的概念是, 一个临界量, |
| 519 | you know, today in our, in our country, if not the world, but certainly in our country, | 你知道,今天在我们, 在我们的国家, 如果不是世界, 但肯定在我们的国家, |
| 520 | whether it be the rate of suicides, which continue to climb at dramatic rates, which affect, you know, | 无论是自杀率, 继续以惊人的速度攀升, 影响,你知道, |
| 521 | the veteran population, a very young population, 10 to 14 and as double what it is on a national | 退休人口,非常年轻的人口,10至14岁,是国民的两倍 |
| 522 | basis. So there are, you know, those serious issues we're facing today, they'll have other | 基础。 所以,你知道,这些严重的问题 我们今天面临,他们会有其他 |
| 523 | maybe issues in the future. And so whatever they are, you know, they should feel, you know, | 也许将来会出问题 所以不管他们是什么, 你知道,他们应该感觉,你知道, |
| 524 | the passion, the drive to want to make a difference in those areas and put themselves and resources | 热情 渴望改变这些方面 并投入自己和资源 |
| 525 | in place to help others, you know, come to a better conclusion that that whatever it may be. | 来帮助其他人,你知道, 得出一个更好的结论,不管它是什么。 |
| 526 | Absolutely. And I've read that your favorite quote on a t-shirt is that there is no finish line. | 当然 我读过你在T恤上最爱的一句是 没有终点 |
| 527 | The wifi is called never finish line two. What does that mean to you? And also what is the | wifi被称为永远没有终点线2. 这对你意味着什么? 还有什么是 |
| 528 | personal work you're doing right now in that regard? What are the internal things | 你正在做这方面的个人工作? 里面的东西是什么? |
| 529 | that you're working on at this stage in your life? | 你在你生命的这个阶段工作? |
| 530 | Well, I think, you know, it came, came to me primarily from my, my running initially, | 嗯,我想,你知道,它来了, 来到我主要 从我的,我的跑步最初, |
| 531 | ran competitively and Nike had this t-shirt. So there was no finish line. There was a guy | 竞争激烈 耐克有这件T恤 所以没有终点线 有个家伙 |
| 532 | running the woods and couldn't find another one of them. I saw it someplace. I, Phil Knight was | 在树林里跑来跑去 却找不到另一个 我从哪儿看到了 我,菲尔·奈特 |
| 533 | kind enough from Nike was kind enough to get me one of the shirts. And, you know, I think in | 耐克的好意让我买件衬衫 而且,你知道,我觉得 |
| 534 | virtually all areas of my life, I understand that, you know, the next day isn't necessarily the end | 几乎我生活的所有领域, 我理解,你知道, 第二天不一定是结束 |
| 535 | is always more to do and et cetera, et cetera. And I think you have to have the ability to deal | 总是要做更多的事情,等等,等等。 我想你必须有能力处理 |
| 536 | with adversity, grit, bounce back, you know, and continues putting one step in front of the other. | 与逆境,grit,反弹,你知道, 并继续把一步 在前面的另一。 |
| 537 | I got that from my long distance running. You probably got that from your monkhood and maybe | 我从很远的地方得到的 你可能从你的僧侣身份得到的 也许 |
| 538 | athletics as well and other, other areas of your life. But, you know, the ability to understand | 运动以及你生活的其他方面 但是,你知道, 理解的能力 |
| 539 | that these problems that we're facing are not, you know, you're not in and out in five or 10, | 我们面对的这些问题,不是, 你知道,你不是进出 五或十, |
| 540 | 15 minutes. It's not a transaction. It's about relationships. All of our businesses are that way. | 15分钟 这不是交易。 这是关于关系。 我们所有的生意都是这样 |
| 541 | It's never about the transaction. It's always about the relationship. So these causes, | 与交易无关 总是关乎关系. 所以这些原因 |
| 542 | these issues that we have today in our country and worldwide are not going to go away tomorrow. | 今天在我国和全世界存在的这些问题明天不会消失。 |
| 543 | So we have to have the wisdom to understand that. We also have to have the tenacity to say, | 因此,我们必须有智慧来理解这一点。 我们还必须坚持不懈地说, |
| 544 | we're going to make a dent and we're going to make a difference. Just as my mother said in the | 将作凹陷而成异. 就像我母亲在 |
| 545 | bracelet I'm wearing, but we're going to make a difference every day. We're going to continue | 我戴的手镯 但我们每天都会有所改变 我们要继续 |
| 546 | to strive to move forward and to make a difference in that area. So I think, you know, it's important. | 努力在这方面取得进展并有所作为。 所以我想,你知道,这很重要。 |
| 547 | I think my oldest daughter would say, dad, that, you know, I love the expression. I love the feeling, | 我想我的大女儿会说,爸爸, 你知道,我喜欢这个表情。 我喜欢这种感觉 |
| 548 | but, you know, which brings me back to myself a bit. We said, but at some point, you know, | 但是,你知道,这让我回到了自己。 我们说过,但有时,你知道, |
| 549 | in your life, you need to, you know, you need to be able to say that I'm kind of out of, | 在你的生活, 你需要,你知道, 你需要能够说,我有点退出, |
| 550 | you need to be at peace with where you are. And that's where I think my version of wellness | 你该安心点 这就是我认为 我版本的幸福 |
| 551 | and wellbeing has changed because it used to be running seven days a week. If I didn't do that, | 福利已经改变,因为它过去每周运行七天。 如果我没有这样做, |
| 552 | you know, that was, that was my design around fitness and wellbeing. In many ways, you know, | 你知道,那是,这是我的设计 关于健身和福利。 在许多方面,你知道, |
| 553 | physical fitness is important, but I think the whole notion of trying to dig deeper | 身体健康很重要,但我想 整个想法是想挖得更深 |
| 554 | and really understand myself and my real purpose and, you know, are we connecting the dots as well | 并真正理解我自己和我的真正目的, 你知道,我们连接点 也 |
| 555 | as we can, taking time for myself to every day to do meditation. I need to get back on that horse | 尽我们所能 每天花时间去冥想 我要回去骑马 |
| 556 | again. I did it for a number of months with, you know, I got encouragement by Deepak Chopra, | 再来 我做了几个月,你知道, 我得到了迪帕克·肖普拉的鼓励, |
| 557 | but I need to get back on and do it again because I saw the value of that, you know, | 但我需要回去再做一次 因为我看到了这个价值 |
| 558 | for a very long period of time, the work I do in terms of yoga and just the quietness, | 在很长一段时间,我的工作 在瑜伽和只是安静, |
| 559 | living in a quiet space and taking time to reflect. And it's one of the reasons I love | 生活在安静的空间中 需要时间来思考 这也是我爱的原因之一 |
| 560 | Montana. We come out here and we walk, we hike, whatever it may be, horseback ride and, | 蒙大拿岛. 我们来到这里,我们走,我们徒步, 不管是什么,骑马和, |
| 561 | and see this beautiful scenery, but it's quiet time. So the ability to be calm, | 看见这美丽的风景, 但这是安静的时间。 所以冷静的能力, |
| 562 | the ability to reflect, the ability to build it into my life every day where I'm not kind | 能够反省 能够每天在我不善良的地方 把它建进我的生活 |
| 563 | of a gerbil on the wheel, which is constantly running, the ability to get off that, you know, | 轮子上的沙鼠, 它不断运行, 摆脱的能力,你知道, |
| 564 | that cycle and pause, reflect, you know, understand, build back my strength, my vision. | 循环和暂停,反射,你知道,理解, 建立回我的力量,我的远见。 |
| 565 | I think that's been an important part of my own personal growth. That part of it didn't take place | 我认为这是我个人成长的重要组成部分。 这部分没有发生 |
| 566 | until, you know, probably just maybe four or five years ago, I think, when I began to think more | 直到,你知道,也许只是 四或五年前,我想, 当我开始思考更多 |
| 567 | about, you know, in a broader sense, a deeper sense, purpose and service to others. | 从广义上来说 更深的感官 目的和对他人的服务 |
| 568 | A good example of how we can connect, you know, a great business to doing the right things for | 一个很好的例子,我们如何连接, 你知道,一个伟大的企业 做正确的事情为 |
| 569 | the right reasons. We built a new stadium in Atlanta, Georgia, the Mercedes-Benz Stadium, | 正确的理由。 我们在佐治亚州亚特兰大建造了一座新体育场 梅赛德斯奔驰体育场 |
| 570 | voted the best sports facility in the United States in the last two years and maybe in the world. | 在过去两年里,也许在世界上,投票选出了美国最好的体育设施。 |
| 571 | But it's built in downtown Atlanta, which is magnificent today, but it's a part of downtown | 但它建造在亚特兰大市中心, 今天是宏伟的, 但它是市中心的一部分 |
| 572 | Atlanta, the west side of Atlanta, which is the birthplace of Dr. King, the birthplace of many | 亚特兰大,亚特兰大西侧, 是金博士的出生地, 许多人的出生地 |
| 573 | civil rights leaders that has gone downhill for the last 30 years, unlike most other years in | 民权领袖在过去30年中走下坡路, 不像其他几年 |
| 574 | Atlanta. When I moved there, there were a million people. Now there are over seven million people | 亚特兰大。 我搬到那里时,有100万人。 现在有700多万人 |
| 575 | living in Atlanta. And so we set out from the very beginning with saying, look, we're going to build | 住在亚特兰大 所以,我们从一开始就说, 听着,我们将要建立 |
| 576 | the best stadium in the world that's designed around the people that we're serving, the guests | 世界上最好的体育场 设计围绕我们服务的人,客人 |
| 577 | that are in the stadium. There's no question we're going to be 100% successful at that. | 在体育场。 毫无疑问,我们会 百分之百的成功。 |
| 578 | And I met with a lot of people from the religious community who said, you know, I said, well, how | 我认识了来自宗教界的很多人,他们说,你知道,我说,嗯,如何 |
| 579 | do we help, how does this create a situation where we can create a rising tide, we'll float all boats, | 我们能帮上忙吗? 这如何造成一个局面 导致涨潮,我们漂浮所有船只, |
| 580 | all these communities that are connected to our stadium, but have fallen backwards, | 所有这些社区 连接我们的体育场, 但已经倒下, |
| 581 | slid backwards. And they said, it's not about buildings, it's about, you know, human capital. | 向后滑动。 他们说,这不是建筑, 而是人力资本。 |
| 582 | So we spent three years, actually, because one of our key components of value is to listen, | 所以我们花了三年的时间,事实上, 因为我们的关键组成部分之一 价值是倾听, |
| 583 | you know, to listen and respond, whether it be people who are serving our businesses or people | 你知道,听和回应, 无论是为我们的企业服务的人还是人 |
| 584 | who are serving through the foundation. So we walked the streets of the west side, | 他们通过基金会服务。 我们走在西边的街道上 |
| 585 | met with neighborhood groups, and, you know, basically didn't say very much. We just said, | 和邻里团体见面, 你知道,基本上没有说太多。 我们只是说, |
| 586 | look, we're going to build this magnificent stadium. We want it to be a positive force | 听着,我们要建造这个宏伟的体育场 我们希望它成为积极的力量 |
| 587 | in your lives. We're done talking. Now you tell us what is it that's important to you, | 在你的生活里,你没有。 我们说完了 现在,你告诉我们 这对你很重要, |
| 588 | what's important to your community, what's important to your family, et cetera, et cetera. | 对你的社区很重要的,对你的家庭很重要的,等等等等. |
| 589 | And, you know, it wasn't a list of 100 things, it was a list of four, five, six things that | 而且,你知道,这不是一个列表 100 件事,这是一个列表 四,五,六件事 |
| 590 | were really critical to them. And so we made it clear from the very beginning that, you know, | 对他们来说非常关键 所以我们从一开始就说清楚了 |
| 591 | we'll, the stadium project will take us seven years from design, you know, the thinking about | 体育场项目需要我们7年的时间 从设计到思考 |
| 592 | the structure, et cetera, building it. But this is going to be a 20, 30 year process. That's where | 结构,等等,建造它。 但这将是一个20,30年的过程。 就是这里 |
| 593 | there is no finish line kind of fit in as well, fits in as well. And so we spent a great deal of | 没有终点线也适合,也适合。 所以我们花了很多钱 |
| 594 | time listening and then responding. And one good example is a program called Westside Works. | 时间听然后回复。 一个很好的例子就是一个叫做Westside Works的程序。 |
| 595 | One of the things that everybody said in the community, we need jobs. We don't have jobs, | 社区里每个人都说,我们需要工作。 我们没有工作, |
| 596 | and that affects us in a whole variety of ways. So we trained, we had over half the people living | 这对我们产生了各种各样的影响。 所以,我们训练, 我们有超过一半的人生活 |
| 597 | in those zip codes applied for this program called Westside Works. We've taken in probably | 在那些应用的拉链代码 这个程序叫做Westside Works。 我们可能已经收下了 |
| 598 | close to a thousand have been trained. And the training really is to give them the life skills | 将近一千人接受了培训。 训练的确是让他们掌握生活技能 |
| 599 | and the work skills so they can be successful, not just on one project. So whether it be in | 和工作技能,以便他们能够成功,而不仅仅是在一个项目上。 所以,不管它是在 |
| 600 | construction or food or baking or nursing or IT, whatever it may be, whatever their interest was, | 建筑、食品、烘焙、护理或信息技术,不管是什么,不管他们的兴趣是什么, |
| 601 | we did all that training and then we put them to work. So a lot of these training programs, | 我们做了所有的训练 然后我们让他们工作。 因此,很多这些培训方案, |
| 602 | where they fall down is that they train them, but they don't make the connection to it. They need a | 他们倒下的地方是训练他们, 但是他们不做连接。 他们需要一个 |
| 603 | job. You know, I really need a job. So our notion was every single person who graduated this program | 任务。 你知道,我真的很需要一个工作。 所以我们的观念是每个毕业的人 |
| 604 | was going to actually have a paying job and what have you. So, you know, when whoever it may be | 本来会有个有报酬的工作 还有你有什么 所以,你知道,当它可能是谁 |
| 605 | went back in their house and it was one individual, I remember his name was Lloyd. It was a great story | 回到他们家,是个人 我记得他叫劳埃德 这是一个伟大的故事 |
| 606 | about he was a tattoo artist and he had three children, a single father. And, you know, because | 他是一个纹身艺术家 他有三个孩子 一个单身父亲 而且,你知道,因为 |
| 607 | the nature of what he was doing, he wouldn't be home in the evenings. His kids would go to school, | 他晚上不会回家的 他的孩子会去上学, |
| 608 | come home. He was not home. He was out, you know, doing his trade. And so he went through this, | 回来。 他不在家 他没有回家 He was not home. 他出去了,你知道,做他的工作。 于是他经历了这个 |
| 609 | became part of the construction crew that helped build the stadium and now was working with | 成为帮助建造体育场的施工人员,现在与 |
| 610 | construction in a variety of other areas. But he had a regular job, came to work at eight in the | 其他各类领域的建筑。 但他有一份正常的工作,来上班 在8在 |
| 611 | morning, worked till four, three, five in the afternoon, whatever it may be. Then he was home | 早上,工作到四,三,五 下午,无论可能是什么。 然后他回来了 |
| 612 | in the evening. So he was making money. He was walking in the door and his chest was, you know, | 晚上的时候 所以他在赚钱 他走进门里,他的胸部,你知道, |
| 613 | his shoulders were back, smile on his face. His kids said, you know, that it's not just | 他的肩膀回来了, 微笑在他的脸上。 他的孩子说,你知道, 这不仅仅是 |
| 614 | financially, but his ability, self-confidence and his ability to say, you know, I can make a | 经济上,但他的能力,自信 和他说,你知道,我可以做一个 |
| 615 | difference not only in my life, but now in their lives. That story was told probably a thousand | 不仅在我的生活中,现在在他们的生活中, 那个故事大概有一千个 |
| 616 | times over on the West side. And that's, you know, we understand it's a longer journey. We understand | 两次在西边。 这就是,你知道, 我们知道这是一个更长的旅程。 我们理解 |
| 617 | human capital and human capacity takes time to nurture and to help grow. But we're equally | 人力资本和人的能力需要时间来培育和帮助增长。 但我们是平等的 |
| 618 | committed to that. And that's true with all this community work that we do. We try to identify | 承诺要做到这一点。 我们所做的这些社区工作都是如此。 我们试图识别 |
| 619 | not what we see, you know, as the needs is really what the needs are by the people that are living | 而不是我们所看到的,你知道, 因为需求是真正的需要 由人们生活 |
| 620 | these communities. Sometimes foundations make a mistake and they, you know, they operate, | 这些社区。 有时基金会会犯错误,它们会运作 |
| 621 | say from Atlanta and they throw scud missiles here, there and elsewhere, good works, I should | 说从亚特兰大,他们扔飞毛腿导弹 在这里,那里和其他地方, 良好的工作,我应该 |
| 622 | say here, there and elsewhere, but they don't really understand the pulse on the ground. | 这里,那里和其他地方,但他们并不真正理解地面的脉冲. |
| 623 | What's actually happening? What does it mean to live that way? And so we spend a lot of time, | 到底发生了什么? 那样生活是什么意思? 所以我们花了很多时间, |
| 624 | most of our time and starting our evaluation work by understanding what is it that the people | 我们的大部分时间 和开始我们的评估工作 通过了解什么是人民 |
| 625 | that were serving, what is it that they're saying? Now what we're saying, what are they | 他们到底在说什么? 瞷и璶弧琌ぐ或 |
| 626 | saying? Where do they feel that they need help and support? And obviously we're trying to, you know, | 说什么? 他们认为他们在哪里需要帮助和支持? 很明显我们想... |
| 627 | teach people to fish versus, you know, giving them fish. And so that's one example of a beautiful | 教人们钓鱼 给他们鱼 这就是一个美丽的例子 |
| 628 | story about business model that was fabulously successful, but a community involvement that's | 有关商业模式的故事是惊人的成功, 但社区参与是 |
| 629 | been, you know, incredibly successful as well. So we make emphasis there on education, on health, | 也取得了巨大的成功 因此,我们强调教育, 健康, |
| 630 | on their financial services to understand, you know, what loans mean, how do you pay them off, | 他们的金融服务,你知道, 贷款意味着什么, 你如何支付他们, |
| 631 | how do you do a variety of things, financial planning, et cetera. So that's just one example, | 如何做各种事情,财务规划等. 所以,这只是一个例子, |
| 632 | but there are many, many other examples of that. And it's this connection between, | 但还有许多其他的例子。 而这是联系, |
| 633 | it's, and that, those kinds of things give our associates a tremendous sense of fulfillment | 那种东西 给我们的同伙带来了巨大的满足感 |
| 634 | and purpose in their own lives. Cause they see, I'm part of an organization. It's not just about | 在他们自己的生活。 因为他们看到,我是一个组织的一部分。 这不仅仅是关于 |
| 635 | how many medals, how many awards, how many wins, how many this, whatever it may be. It's about how, | 多少勋章,多少奖项,多少奖项,多少奖项,多少奖项,多少奖项,多少奖项,无论什么奖项. 这是关于如何, |
| 636 | how do we win the Superbowl of life every year, which I tell our football players, | 我们如何赢得生命的超级碗 每年,我告诉球员, |
| 637 | so that you have 11 guys on the other side of the line. You may not win the Superbowl every year or | 让你有11个人在另一边。 你可能不会赢得超级碗 每年或 |
| 638 | the MLS cup every year, but we can be in the Superbowl of life every year because there's | 每年的MLS杯, 但我们可以进入 每年的超级碗 因为有 |
| 639 | nobody on the other side of the line, you know, defending us from doing that. So we see the | 没有人站在另一边,你知道, 捍卫我们这样做。 所以我们看到 |
| 640 | opportunities, our players, coaches, staff, organization, and they have a tremendous sense | 机会,我们的球员,教练,工作人员,组织, 他们有巨大的感觉 |
| 641 | of pride in that. The whole issue of social justice in the NFL today, which has been incredibly | 引以为傲 今天的NFL社会公正问题 令人难以置信 |
| 642 | important. We've been very heavily engaged at both the league level, but at the club level. | 这很重要 我们在联赛的级别上都投入了很多,但是在俱乐部一级. |
| 643 | So at the club level, we have 12, 15 players who we spent, you know, three months with them, | 因此在俱乐部一级,我们有12,15名球员 我们花了,你知道,他们3个月, |
| 644 | listening to them, telling us, look, this is what's going on in my communities. This is what I had to | 听着,告诉我们,这就是我所在社区的情况。 这就是我必须做的 |
| 645 | live with as a child. This is what I had to overcome. This is what my parents still live with, | 与童年同住. 这就是我必须克服的。 这是我父母仍然活在其中 |
| 646 | my siblings, whatever it may be. And so then we responded, you know, in terms of our engagement | 我的兄弟姐妹们,不管是什么 然后我们回应了 我们的订婚 |
| 647 | with them. So it's not like us doing for them, it's us doing alongside them, connected to them, | 与他们。 所以,这不像我们为他们做, 它是我们做他们在一起, 连接他们, |
| 648 | shoulder to shoulder, where they feel like, you know, we're in this together. | 肩并肩,他们觉得, 你知道,我们在一起。 |
| 649 | And that's a beautiful thing to happen. And I think, you know, we want our associates to | 这是件好事 我认为,你知道, 我们希望我们的同伙 |
| 650 | feel that sense of pride, that feel that sense of this organization really has a heart and a soul | 感到骄傲感,感到这个组织的感觉 真正有心脏和灵魂 |
| 651 | and a purpose to it. And the beauty is you do all these wonderful things, behaviorally, | 和它的一个目的。 美丽的是你做所有这些美妙的事情, 行为上, |
| 652 | and you're going to produce the right financial results. I mean, it's, you know, it's important | 你将产生正确的财务结果。 我是说 这很重要 |
| 653 | to do that because in my case, because we want to continue to fund things that we see opportunities | 这样做,因为就我而言, 因为我们想继续资助 的东西,我们看到的机会 |
| 654 | for. So that's phenomenal. Thank you for sharing that. Well, thank you for asking. Thank you for | 为. 所以这是惊人的。 谢谢大家分享 谢谢你的问候 谢谢 |
| 655 | listening. You know, no, of course. Absolutely. I wish I could get more to the point as you do. | 听着 当然没有 当然 我希望我能像你们一样更深入 |
| 656 | So beautifully, a lot of your messages. Yeah, but it's, yeah, it's powerful work. You're doing the | 这么漂亮,很多你的信息。 是的,但它,是的,这是强大的工作。 你这样做 |
| 657 | work. I think detail is great when people are able to see how deeply intense, how deep the intention | 工作时 我认为,当人们能够看到 有多强烈,有多深的意图。 |
| 658 | is. Right. In the sense that I feel like when you're explaining something, you're not just | 没错 对 意思是,我觉得 当你解释什么, 你不只是 |
| 659 | explaining what you're doing. You're explaining why you're doing it, how you're doing it. It's | 解释你在做什么。 尔时释迦牟尼如来. 这是 |
| 660 | going to take longer. So I mean, the what is, you know, is the easiest part. It's the why. I mean, | 需要更长的时间。 所以,我的意思是,什么是, 你知道,是最简单的部分。 是故说. 我是说... |
| 661 | that's what's sustainable in the heart and the spirit and souls that when we understand it, | 心灵和灵魂都是可持续的 当我们理解它时 |
| 662 | our foundation, our associates, all of our businesses understand why we're doing the things | 我们的基金会,我们的合伙人, 我们所有的生意 都明白我们为什么这样做 |
| 663 | we're doing. It makes a difference in their lives as well. And they feel like because this | 我们正在做。 也能改变他们的生活 他们觉得这样是因为 |
| 664 | all the states being recycled back, they're working not only to have purpose in terms of | 所有被回收的州, 他们的工作 不仅有目的 |
| 665 | who we're serving, but they're working in terms of having purpose in building the foundation, | 我们为谁服务, 但他们的工作 目的在建设基金会, |
| 666 | which, you know, recycled in a positive way. So absolutely. It's a beautiful circle. That's | 以积极的方式回收 如此绝对。 圆明妙相. 这是 |
| 667 | very, very tight and there really no, really no breaks in it. So it's a beautiful thing to be | 非常,非常紧 而且真的没有,真的没有突破。 所以,这是一件美丽的事情 |
| 668 | part of. Amazing. Arthur, you've been incredible. We end every interview with what we call the | 部分内容。 厉害 亚瑟,你真是不可思议 我们结束每一次采访 我们称之为 |
| 669 | final five quick fire, rapid fire round. So you can only answer the questions with one word | 最后5个快速火力,快速火力回合。 所以你只能用一个字回答问题 |
| 670 | or maximum one sentence. I need a glass of water for that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And so | 或最多一句话。 我需要一杯水来喝 对 当然 对 这样 |
| 671 | what I've done is we've created, considering your name is Arthur blank, we've, we've done this final | 我所做的是我们创造了,考虑到你的名字是亚瑟 空白的,我们已经,我们已经完成了这个决赛 |
| 672 | five is fill in the blanks. So I'm going to ask you, so I can ask you, I'm going to ask you to fill | 五是填满空白。 所以我要问你,所以我可以问你,我要问你 填充 |
| 673 | in the blank at the end of the sentence. The hardest thing for me is the one word. If you know | 在句尾的空白处。 对我来说最难的是一句话 如果你知道的话 |
| 674 | now, yes, I tend to get a long answer. That's right. That's right. So that's why this section | 现在,是的,我总是得到一个很长的答案。 没错 没错 所以这个部分 |
| 675 | is for that. So the first question is the best advice I've ever received is blank. So what would | 是为了这个 所以第一个问题是我收到的最好的建议是空白的。 那又怎样? |
| 676 | it be? Finish the sentence. The best advice. Be true to my values. Okay. Wonderful. The second | 是吗? 结句. 最好的建议 忠实于我的价值观。 摆 真不错 第二个 |
| 677 | question is the worst advice I've ever received is blank. I would say, you know, focus, the focus on, | 问题是 我收到的最差的建议是空白的 我想说,你知道, 集中注意力, |
| 678 | you know, productivity, the focus on financial metrics, you know, as being the goal versus, | 你知道,生产率, 专注于金融计量, 你知道,作为目标与, |
| 679 | you know, all the other things in terms of behavior and, and changing people's lives | 改变人们的生活 |
| 680 | in a positive way and seeing the joy in that, you know, that's been great. Great answer. Okay. | 以积极的方式看到快乐,你知道, 这是伟大的。 答案不错 摆 |
| 681 | Question number three, three things I'm grateful for blank. Well, I have to start my family, | 第三问题,三件事,我很感激空白。 我必须开始我的家庭, |
| 682 | you know, you know, six, six great children, six great grandchildren and great, you know, | 你知道,你知道, 六,六伟大的孩子, 六伟大的孙子和伟大的,你知道, |
| 683 | I've been married multiple times, unfortunately, but I have a great relationship with all of my | 我结过几次婚,很不幸,但我和我所有的 |
| 684 | ex wives and they're all wonderful people. And so I'd say my, you know, my, my family and my | 前妻和她们都是好人 所以我会说,我,你知道, 我,我的家人和我 |
| 685 | relationships, I think my ability as a result of our business success to try to have an opportunity | 关系,我认为我的能力 因为我们的商业成功 尝试有一个机会 |
| 686 | to expand, you know, what service means of others, create that with our associates and | 要扩大,你知道,什么服务 其他人,创建我们的联系人和 |
| 687 | who we're serving and all of our different businesses. Yeah. Do this one blank thing | 我们为谁服务 还有我们所有不同的生意 对 做这个空的 |
| 688 | and it will change your life. What would you put into that blank? What would that one thing be? | 它会改变你的生活。 你会把什么放进空白? 那会是什么? |
| 689 | Find your passion. Because I think when somebody can add on another word or two, | 寻找你的激情。 因为我想,当有人可以 添加一个或两个字, |
| 690 | yeah, I'm going to absolutely, you know, because I think when, when people find their | 是的,我会绝对的,你知道, 因为我想,当人们发现他们的 |
| 691 | passion and their purpose, you know, financially, they're going to do as well, if not better than | 激情和目的,你知道, 在经济上, 他们也会做,如果不是更好 比 |
| 692 | they ever would have done doing anything else. And, you know, their years here, which are, | 他们本会做别的事 而且,你知道, 他们的岁月在这里, |
| 693 | you know, limited, they're measured, if you will, are going to be much more enriched because they're | 你知道,有限的,它们被测量, 如果你愿意, 将会更加丰富,因为它们是 |
| 694 | going to feel like what I'm doing, what I'm really doing as purpose for me and purpose for | 感觉就像我在做什么, 我真正在做什么作为我的目的和目的 |
| 695 | others that I'm trying to serve. And so I think finding purpose, which is not always easy. I mean, | 其他人,我试图服务。 所以我觉得找到目的并非总容易 我是说... |
| 696 | sometimes people wander around a bit. You did, you described your journey and myself as well. I had | 有时人们会四处游荡 你有,你描述了你的旅程,我也是 我有过 |
| 697 | my own journeys there. But when you find it, you need to stop and honor it and then to move with | 我自己的旅程在那里。 但当你找到它,你需要停下来 并尊重它,然后移动 |
| 698 | it. And, and all good things come as a result of that, you know, in terms of quality of life. | 这个 而且,所有好的东西都是由于这个结果, 你知道,在生活质量方面。 |
| 699 | Absolutely. And the fifth and final question is the one thing that you're hoping this beautiful | 当然 第五个也是最后一个问题 是你希望这美丽的东西 |
| 700 | four or five days we've had here in Montana will result in. | 我们在蒙大拿州待了四五天 就会有结果 |
| 701 | Well, I think there are two, there are two things that expand the question a little bit. One is that, | 嗯,我想有两点, 有两个东西可以把问题扩大一点。 一个是, |
| 702 | you know, the great connections that you have made with so many other people here and they've made | 你知道,你与这么多人 建立了伟大的联系 在这里,他们已经 |
| 703 | with you and with each other. I think so. I think those physical connections, emotional, | 与汝及诸人. 我想是这样。 我觉得那些身体上的联系,情感上, |
| 704 | it's one thing to know somebody, but when you spend four days together in this setting, | 认识一个人是一回事 但当你在这里共度四天 |
| 705 | you get a deeper, deeper understanding of people's perspectives and their views and how can we work | 你更深入地理解人们的观点和观点 以及如何工作 |
| 706 | together? They're two and two equals eight and 10 instead of just four or five for myself. | 一起吗? 两两等于八和十 而不是只为我四五个 |
| 707 | So I think that has been very invaluable. The other thing is, is that I think we'll be able | 因此,我认为这非常宝贵。 另一件事是 我想我们可以 |
| 708 | to focus for our foundation and, and, you know, draw on other foundations and other institutions | 利用其他基金会和其他机构 |
| 709 | that care about these things. You know, some really good ideas to help support the expansion | 关心这些东西。 你知道,一些非常好的想法 帮助支持扩张 |
| 710 | of the notion of wellbeing and wellness and give exposure to that to other populations | 福利与健康的概念,并让其他人口接触到这一概念 |
| 711 | that don't necessarily have that or see that. And to, you know, to not, you know, have this, | 这不一定有 或看到。 而且,你知道,不,你知道,有这个, |
| 712 | widen this gap that we have in America today is just too extreme in my, in my viewpoint. | 从我的观点来看,扩大我们今天在美国的这一差距对我来说太极端了。 |
| 713 | And I think, you know, we need to do more of this and bring people together, not necessarily, | 我想,你知道,我们需要做更多的事情 并召集人们在一起,并不一定, |
| 714 | you know, economically as equals, because that's not reality in a capitalistic world, | 你知道,经济上是平等的, 因为这不是现实 在资本主义世界, |
| 715 | but, you know, to bring people together in terms of their wellbeing and their happiness | 但是,你知道, 团结人们 在他们的福祉和幸福 |
| 716 | and their ability to feel fulfilled in life. So we want to, you know, get in the canoe and | 以及他们在生活中感到满足的能力。 所以我们想,你知道, 进入独木舟和 |
| 717 | paddle along with everybody else and paddle as hard as everybody else and know we can make a | 和大家一起划桨 和大家一样用力划桨 |
| 718 | difference and, and try to earn, you know, the respect and the opportunity. It's an honor really | 并尝试赢得, 你知道,尊重和机会。 真是荣幸 |
| 719 | having everybody here. From my standpoint, it's an overwhelming honor to have not just the | 有大家在这里。 从我的观点来看,不只是拥有 |
| 720 | intelligence in the room, but the, the commitment and the sense of purpose and the sense of | 在房间里的智慧,但是, 承诺和使命感, |
| 721 | trying to reach out and make a difference in the world is incredible to me. So anything we can do, | 试图伸出援手 改变世界 让我难以置信 所以,我们可以做的, |
| 722 | supporting the collaborations, supporting the partnerships, new ideas, expanding ideas, | 支持合作、支持伙伴关系、新想法、扩大想法, |
| 723 | scaling up ventures, et cetera, which is much of what I know your concern is going forward. | 扩大投资规模等等 这也是我所知你所关心的 |
| 724 | How do we impact more people? Which is great. We want to be part of that. So it's been an honor | 我们如何影响更多的人? 这是伟大的。 我们想参与其中。 幸会 |
| 725 | for me, truly an honor for me to be here this week and to just be part of this. It's an experience | 对于我来说,我非常荣幸能在这里度过这个星期 并参与其中 这是一个经验 |
| 726 | of my lifetime I'll never forget. I've gotten a great deal out of it. Much more than, you know, | 我一辈子都不会忘记 我得到了一个很大的解脱。 远不止,你知道, |
| 727 | I've gotten much more out of it than we put into it. And that's the beauty of, of when you do things | 我得到的比我们投入的多得多。 这就是你做事的美好之处 |
| 728 | with service and purpose, you really do get more out of it than what you give. | 服务与目的,你真的得到的 比你付出的更多。 |
| 729 | Yeah. Well, I want to thank you on behalf of me and all the other participants, because I think | 对 我想代表我和所有其他参与者 感谢你 因为我想 |
| 730 | you've allowed us to form such deep, amazing relationships. There's many people in this room | 你让我们形成了如此深厚,惊人的关系 这房间里有很多人 |
| 731 | that I would have loved to connect with or meet. And you're so right that when you go away with | 我本想和他联系或见面的 你说得对 当你离开的时候 |
| 732 | people for three, four days, you go so much deeper, so much quicker than you would if you | 3,4天的人,你越深越快 |
| 733 | met at a conference or a one day event or whatever it may be. So I just want to say thank you from, | 在某次会议或某天的活动中开会,或不管是什么。 所以我想说谢谢来自, |
| 734 | from me. Thank you for all your kindness. Thank you for your encouragement. Thank you. You've given | 从我。 谢谢你的好意 谢谢你的鼓励。 谢谢 你给了 |
| 735 | me so many wonderful words of confidence this week and just sharing so much support and | 这周我充满了自信 分享了这么多的支持 |
| 736 | encouragement for the work I do, which has given me so much conviction. And I'm very grateful for | 鼓励我的工作,这让我充满信心。 我很感谢 |
| 737 | that. Thank you. Well, the work that you do is incredible and it's really has, you know, tremendous | 那个 谢谢 嗯,你做的工作是不可思议的 它真的,你知道,巨大的 |
| 738 | purpose to it and, and a high degree of success. So I want to do everything we can do to help | 目的和高度的成功。 所以我想尽我们所能帮忙 |
| 739 | support you and support, you know, the people you're touching and trying to help with their | 支持你 支持你 支持你所接触的人 帮助他们 |
| 740 | life journeys. So I think this is a great place to do it because when you spend time outdoors, | 人生历程. 所以我觉得这是个很棒的地方 因为当你在户外度过的时候 |
| 741 | you realize, you know, you're kind of dwarfed by nature and by things that have been here for | 你意识到,你知道, 你有点矮 自然和事物一直在这里 |
| 742 | thousands and thousands of years. And also everybody puts on their pants the same way. | 千岁万岁. 大家也一样穿上裤子 |
| 743 | It's a level playing field. Nobody's wearing suits. Somebody's wearing ties. Everybody's just, | 平等游戏场. 没人穿西装 有人戴领带 每个人都只是, |
| 744 | you know, being themselves and they're opening themselves up. And in this kind of environment, | 你知道,做他们自己 他们打开自己。 在这样的环境下, |
| 745 | it's easier to do that. And so that's the reason we wanted to continue to do this work here. | 这样做比较容易。 所以这就是我们想继续在这里做这项工作的原因。 |
| 746 | Absolutely. Thank you again, Arthur. Thank you, everyone who's been watching or listening back | 当然 再次感谢你,亚瑟。 谢谢,所有一直在看或回听的人 |
| 747 | at home or wherever you've been, make sure you go and follow the Blank Foundation on Instagram | 在家里或你去过的地方, 确保你去跟随 空白基金会关于Instagram |
| 748 | and on Twitter and on the social media platforms as well. If you want to find out about the great | 以及推特和社交媒体平台。 如果你想知道伟大的 |
| 749 | work, not only we've been doing, but all the other incredible work that the Arthur and Blank | 不仅我们一直在工作 而且还有亚瑟和布兰克其他不可思议的工作 |
| 750 | Family Foundation does, please check out this podcast, share it with other people that you | 家庭基金会确实如此 请检查一下这个播客 和别人分享你 |
| 751 | feel are going to benefit from this incredible presence around service, incredible presence | 感觉会从这种令人难以置信的存在中获益 围绕服务,令人难以置信的存在 |
| 752 | around giving and doing through our work. And for anyone who's aspiring to be an entrepreneur | 围绕我们的工作付出和付出 对于任何想成为企业家的人来说 |
| 753 | out there, what better values than the ones that have been talked about in this show? Make sure | 在那里,还有什么比那些 在节目中谈论的更好的价值? 确保 |
| 754 | you share those on Instagram so that I can share them as well. I'm always looking through what | 你分享Instagram上的东西 让我也能分享 我总是在看什么 |
| 755 | you're learning so that that helps me ask better questions and serve you better. Thank you so much | 你正在学习,这样可以帮助我 问更好的问题和更好地服务你。 谢谢 |
| 756 | for listening and watching, Arthur. Thank you so much. Thank you, Jay. So great for having you. | 亚瑟,听和观看。 非常感谢 谢谢你,杰伊。 很高兴见到你 |
| 757 | It's an honor to be here. Thank you very much. Hey, everyone. My name is Jay Shetty and welcome | 幸得来此. 谢谢 嘿,大家好,你们好 我叫Jay Shetty 欢迎光临 |
| 758 | to my YouTube channel. Every week, I'm sharing three videos that are going to help you feel more | 我的YouTube频道 我每周都会分享三段视频 帮助你感受更多 |
| 759 | fulfilled, feel more happy and more successful. Make sure you subscribe to this channel so that | 完成,感觉更快乐,更成功. 确保您订阅此频道 |
| 760 | you can find out about the videos as soon as they launch. Press the like button and leave a comment | 视频一发布你就能发现 按下类似按钮并留下注释 |
| 761 | and let's keep making wisdom go viral together. Make sure you subscribe. | 让我们继续让智慧一起传播 确保你订阅。 |
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