TED演讲：为什么艺术是带来希望的工具
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:04 | Wow, wow. | 哇,哇,哇,哇。 |
| 0:05 | People. | 众生. |
| 0:06 | You know, actually, I love people because my work is about people. | 你知道,实际上,我爱人 因为我的工作是人。 |
| 0:11 | It's | 这是 |
| 0:12 | actually about bringing people together. | 其实是把人聚在一起 |
| 0:14 | I'm an artist. | 我是个艺术家。 |
| 0:15 | I mean, until I found a real job, | 我的意思是,直到我找到一个真正的工作, |
| 0:18 | but now it looks like it's getting pretty serious. | 但现在看来事情变得很严重了 |
| 0:21 | But you know, I also love walls, | 但我也喜欢墙壁 |
| 0:23 | and I know that walls are supposed to divide us, but I think I've found a way to use walls | 我知道墙壁会把我们分开 但我想我找到了一种方法 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Wow, wow. | 哇,哇,哇,哇。 |
| 2 | People. | 众生. |
| 3 | You know, actually, I love people because my work is about people. | 你知道,实际上,我爱人 因为我的工作是人。 |
| 4 | It's | 这是 |
| 5 | actually about bringing people together. | 其实是把人聚在一起 |
| 6 | I'm an artist. | 我是个艺术家。 |
| 7 | I mean, until I found a real job, | 我的意思是,直到我找到一个真正的工作, |
| 8 | but now it looks like it's getting pretty serious. | 但现在看来事情变得很严重了 |
| 9 | But you know, I also love walls, | 但我也喜欢墙壁 |
| 10 | and I know that walls are supposed to divide us, but I think I've found a way to use walls | 我知道墙壁会把我们分开 但我想我找到了一种方法 |
| 11 | to bring us together. | 让我们聚在一起 |
| 12 | And I've tried this in different places. | 我在不同的地方试过这个 |
| 13 | This was in Israel, | 这是在以色列, |
| 14 | Palestine 15 years ago, where with my friend Marco, I took photos of Israelis and Palestinians | 15年前,我和我的朋友马可 在那里拍摄了以色列人和巴勒斯坦人的照片 |
| 15 | doing the same job, and then pasted them on Israeli cities and Palestinian cities, | 做同样的工作,然后把它们贴在以色列城市和巴勒斯坦城市上, |
| 16 | and people couldn't even recognize who is who. | 人们甚至都认不出是谁 |
| 17 | This was in the favelas of Brazil, | 这是在巴西的贫民区, |
| 18 | faces of women on the heels of the community, often the first target of the violence that is | 社区妇女的脸,往往是暴力的首要目标 |
| 19 | happening there. | 发生在那里。 |
| 20 | This is a local museum we have in Paris. | 这是我们在巴黎的地方博物馆 |
| 21 | It's called the Louvre. | 名为卢浮宫. |
| 22 | I don't know | 我不知道,你觉得呢? |
| 23 | if you've heard about it, but I thought I'd give it a shout out. | 如果你听说过, 但我想我会大喊大叫。 |
| 24 | And with 400 people and paper and | 和400人和纸, |
| 25 | glue, we repaste the entire plaza to make the pyramid ten times bigger. | 胶水,我们重新调整整个广场 使金字塔大十倍。 |
| 26 | This was at the border | 这是在边境 |
| 27 | between Mexico and US. | 墨西哥和美国之间 |
| 28 | And thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 29 | Kikito, the little kid, is one year old, and he lived in a | 琪藤,那个小孩,已经一岁了,他住在... |
| 30 | little house, you see, on the top left of the image. | 小房子,你看, 在图像的左上方。 |
| 31 | I just wonder, at his age, what is his | 我只是在想,在他这个年纪,什么是他 |
| 32 | perspective on the world? | 对世界的看法? |
| 33 | You know, each time I do a project, I wonder, can I change the world? | 你知道,每次我做一个项目, 我想知道,我能改变世界吗? |
| 34 | And I never really know how a project starts. | 我从不知道一个项目是如何开始的。 |
| 35 | A couple of years ago, I was making breakfast, | 几年前,我在做早饭, |
| 36 | and a friend of mine called me. | 一个朋友打电话给我 |
| 37 | A friend saw, he said, JR, you love walls. | 一个朋友看见,他说,JR,你爱墙壁。 |
| 38 | Why don't you do a | 你为什么不做一个 |
| 39 | project in prison? | 监狱项目? |
| 40 | I was like, ah, you know, I was just, dude, you know, I would do it, but it's too | 我本来想,嗯,你知道,我只是,伙计, 你知道,我会做到这一点,但是它太 |
| 41 | much paperwork, administrative bureaucracy, plus I've been arrested 15 times. | 很多文书工作 行政官僚 再加上我被捕了15次 |
| 42 | They don't want me | 他们不要我 |
| 43 | there. | 这里 |
| 44 | And he was like, I know, bro, but you love walls so much, what you would do in there, | 他就像,我知道,兄弟, 但你非常喜欢墙壁, 你会在那里做什么, |
| 45 | what, you know, what, if you could do it, what would you could do? | 如果你能做到 你会怎么做? |
| 46 | I was like, okay, you know | 我当时想,好吧,你知道 |
| 47 | what? | 你说什么? |
| 48 | I had an idea. | 我有个主意 |
| 49 | If I wanted to finish my post-tags and my, you know, French toast before | 如果我想完成我的后塔格 和我,你知道,法国土司之前 |
| 50 | it gets cold, I had to get rid of him. | 它变得冷,我不得不摆脱他。 |
| 51 | So I told him, you know what, I'll pay the entire prison. | 所以我告诉他,你知道的, 我会支付整个监狱。 |
| 52 | He was like, wow, that's amazing. | 他就像,哇,这是惊人的。 |
| 53 | He hung up the phone. | 他挂了电话。 |
| 54 | I thought I'd never hear from him for two | 我以为我两个都听不到他的消息 |
| 55 | decades. | 数十年。 |
| 56 | He called his friend Scott. | 他打电话给他的朋友斯科特。 |
| 57 | Scott was like, what's up, Saul? | 斯科特就像,怎么了,索尔? |
| 58 | He's like, I spoke to JR. | 他好像,我和JR谈过了 |
| 59 | He's down to do a project in prison. | 他在监狱里做一个项目 |
| 60 | Scott's like, wow, that's amazing. | 斯科特就像,哇,这是惊人的。 |
| 61 | Let me call the governor. | 让我给州长打电话 |
| 62 | Hang up the phone, call the governor. | 挂上电话 给州长打电话 |
| 63 | Governor's like, wait, I'm sorry, what is this? | 州长说,等等,对不起,这是什么? |
| 64 | JR是谁? | |
| 65 | See, he do black and whites and, you know, he takes photos of people. | 你看,他做黑白 和,你知道,他拍照的人。 |
| 66 | He recalls their story. | 他回顾了他们的故事。 |
| 67 | And I'm sorry, I've never heard of it. | 且道,未尝不闻. |
| 68 | Yes, it's very large murals. | 是的,这是非常大的壁画。 |
| 69 | And the governor was like, wait, | 州长说,等等, |
| 70 | wait, before I was a governor, I was in a mural. | 等等 在我当州长之前 我在壁画里 |
| 71 | There were 1300 people. | 当时有1300人. |
| 72 | Each one of them recorded | 每个都录下来了 |
| 73 | their story. | 他们的故事。 |
| 74 | And I was one of them. | 我是他们的一员。 |
| 75 | Is that the same artist? | 是同一个艺术家吗? |
| 76 | The guy said, yes, that's the same | 那家伙说,是的,那也是 |
| 77 | artist. | 艺术家。 |
| 78 | Give him full clearance for every prison in the state of California. | 给他全权处理加利福尼亚州的所有监狱 |
| 79 | Calls me back. | 回我电话 |
| 80 | ưμ㼯A | |
| 81 | thing you know, I'm on Google Earth and there's 35 prisons. | 你知道,我在Google地球 有35个监狱。 |
| 82 | So I'm looking at them and I'm like, | 所以我看着他们,我说, |
| 83 | well, first of all, I'm a wallpaper man. | 好吧,首先,我是一个壁纸人。 |
| 84 | I cannot paste if I don't have my clear surface. | 如果我没有清晰的表面,我无法粘贴. |
| 85 | So that | 这样 |
| 86 | doesn't work. | 没用的 |
| 87 | That doesn't work. | 这行不通。 |
| 88 | This is the yard is made of sand and grass. | 这里的院子由沙子和草地组成. |
| 89 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 90 | cannot do it. | 不能做到这一点。 |
| 91 | I know nothing about prisons. | 我对监狱一无所知 |
| 92 | So then I see this one and I'm like, wait, | 然后,我看到这个 我像,等待, |
| 93 | can we zoom in this one? | 我们能放大这个吗? |
| 94 | I'm like, oh, actually, you know what? | 我觉得,哦,其实,你知道吗? |
| 95 | The yard here in the center | 中间的院子 |
| 96 | looks like it's concrete. | 看起来是混凝土 |
| 97 | I could walk on that. | 我可以走在那个上面。 |
| 98 | Look, JR, that's a super max security prison. | 你看,JR, 这是一个超大的安全监狱。 |
| 99 | It's called Tehachapi. | 名为特哈恰皮. |
| 100 | It's actually in the top five of the most violent prison. | 它实际上是在最暴力的监狱的前五名. |
| 101 | I was like, | 我当时想, |
| 102 | we'll do it. | 我们会做到这一点。 |
| 103 | The next day we flew there. | 第二天我们飞到那里。 |
| 104 | We arrived there. | 我们到了那里。 |
| 105 | And of course, you know, | 当然,你知道, |
| 106 | it's not that easy. | 没那么容易 |
| 107 | You get there, it's like fences, electric fences, walls, and you add more walls | 你到了那里,就像栅栏,电网,墙壁, 你加更多的墙壁 |
| 108 | and more people that check your IDs. | 更多的人检查你的身份证。 |
| 109 | And my God, I got all the way to the yard and it looked like | 天啊,我一路走到院子里,看起来 |
| 110 | some army guy with like bulletproof jackets and heavily armed who say, all right, this is | 一些穿防弹衣的军人 带着全副武装说 |
| 111 | going to be very simple. | 很简单 |
| 112 | There's some people waiting for you in the gymnasium. | 有人在体育馆等你 |
| 113 | We got some | 我们得到了一些 |
| 114 | inmates. | 囚犯们 |
| 115 | You cannot approach them. | 你不能接近他们。 |
| 116 | You cannot touch them. | 你不能碰他们。 |
| 117 | You can sit at the chair that we | 你可以坐在我们的椅子上 |
| 118 | made for you and we're going to surround the area of the gymnasium. | 为你准备的 我们要包围健身房 |
| 119 | That sounds fun. | 这听起来很有趣。 |
| 120 | I enter the room | 我进入房间 |
| 121 | and we do this thing in France. | 我们在法国做这件事 |
| 122 | I don't know if you have that, but you shake people's hands, | 我不知道你有没有, 但你握着别人的手, |
| 123 | you know? | 你知道吗? |
| 124 | So I started shaking people's hands. | 所以我开始摇动人们的手。 |
| 125 | Hello, how are you? | 你好,你好吗? |
| 126 | My name is JR. What's your | 我的名字是JR。 你怎么样? |
| 127 | name? | 名字吗? |
| 128 | And go around the table. | 而绕席而行. |
| 129 | And then I sat and I spoke with them. | 然后我坐着和他们交谈 |
| 130 | A lot of them have been there | 很多人都去过那里 |
| 131 | since they were teenagers, some of them even from the age of 13. | 由于他们是青少年, 有些甚至从13岁开始。 |
| 132 | And I've never seen anything like | 我从未见过这样的事情 |
| 133 | it. | 这个 |
| 134 | And so I told them about my art and about the idea and they asked me a question. | 于是我告诉他们我的艺术和想法 他们问我一个问题。 |
| 135 | They said, | 他们说, |
| 136 | but what is the purpose of your art? | 但你艺术的目的是什么? |
| 137 | I was like, well, you know, that's a good question. | 我当时想,嗯,你知道, 这是一个很好的问题。 |
| 138 | I don't | 我没有 |
| 139 | know if I can answer before, you know, trying a project. | 如果我能回答,你知道,尝试一个项目。 |
| 140 | So I explained them an idea and I said, | 所以我向他们解释了一个想法,我说, |
| 141 | wait, before we start anything, I just want you to know if there's anyone here in this room | 等等,在我们开始之前,我只想告诉你 这房间里有没有人 |
| 142 | that by being in this project, you might often some of your victims outside. | 通过参加这个项目, 你可能经常有一些受害者在外面。 |
| 143 | I'm not your guy. | 我不是你们要找的人 |
| 144 | I'm going to get too much attention for you. | 我会得到你太多的注意。 |
| 145 | If I were you, don't participate to this project. | 如果我是你,不要参加这个项目。 |
| 146 | Six or seven guys stood up and left the room. | 六七个人站起来离开房间 |
| 147 | I was like, all right. | и碞钩⊿拜肈 |
| 148 | So we kept on going and | 所以我们继续 |
| 149 | I started photographing them. | 我开始拍照 |
| 150 | Very simple. | 非常简单。 |
| 151 | It's just a small part of the process. | 这只是过程的一小部分。 |
| 152 | I'm not really | 我没有 |
| 153 | a photographer. | 一个摄影师。 |
| 154 | There's just one part that I use and I get to meet them and talk with them. | 我只能用一个部分 和他们见面和交谈 |
| 155 | And each of them started explaining me their story, where they grew up, where they come from, | 他们每个人开始向我解释他们的故事, 他们长大的地方,他们来自哪里, |
| 156 | how many years. | 多少年时间? |
| 157 | Some of them spent decades in this prison. | 其中一些人在这所监狱呆了几十年。 |
| 158 | And the thing is that I told them, | 事实是,我告诉他们, |
| 159 | I said, look, you know, this photo is nothing. | 我说,你看,你知道, 这张照片没什么。 |
| 160 | I need you to go in the next room. | 我要你到隔壁房间去 |
| 161 | I'm going to | 我会 |
| 162 | leave a mic there. | 留个麦克风在那里。 |
| 163 | And I want you to record your story from the beginning. | 我要你从头开始记录你的故事 |
| 164 | I want to understand. | 我想了解这一点。 |
| 165 | You have to talk like if you're throwing a bottle in the ocean, I want to understand | 你要像往海里扔瓶子一样说话 我想知道 |
| 166 | where you come from and then what brought you to make that crime that leads you to prison. | 你从哪里来,然后是什么让你 犯罪导致你入狱。 |
| 167 | And if you change, explain how you change and why. | 如果你改变, 解释你如何改变和为什么改变。 |
| 168 | They all went, some stayed for 10 minutes, | 他们都走了,有些人呆了10分钟, |
| 169 | some stayed for 20, 30 minutes. | 有些人呆了20到30分钟 |
| 170 | Some of them were crying in that place. | 其中一些人在那个地方哭泣。 |
| 171 | Then I went back to my studio and that's what we do. | 然后我回到我的工作室 这就是我们要做的 |
| 172 | We print strips of paper like a giant puzzle. | 我们打印纸条 像一个巨大的谜题。 |
| 173 | So we have to combine it together. | 所以我们必须把它结合起来。 |
| 174 | It's all just paper and glue. | 皆是纸胶. |
| 175 | And then we combine them by | 然后我们结合他们 |
| 176 | numbers and then we went back there and we started bringing everybody in the yard. | 然后我们回到那里 然后我们开始把大家带到院子里 |
| 177 | And we started pasting everyone from every gang, every race participated. | 我们开始粘贴每个帮派的每个人, 每个种族参与。 |
| 178 | Now the thing is we're | 现在问题是,我们 |
| 179 | still in a supermarket security prison. | 还在超市安全监狱 |
| 180 | So the guards were like, look, we love you with your | 所以警卫们喜欢,你看,我们爱你与你 |
| 181 | paper and stuff, but we're going to count everything you brought in and we're going to | 纸和东西, 但我们会数 你带来的一切,我们要去 |
| 182 | make sure you leave with everything out. | 确保你离开的一切。 |
| 183 | So every hour we're going to stop this whole project and | 因此,我们每个小时都会停止整个项目 |
| 184 | make sure there's not one scissors missing, one brush, one bucket, anything. | 确保不缺一把剪刀 一根刷子 一根桶 任何东西 |
| 185 | So we went to the | 所以我们去了 |
| 186 | process and I had planned two to three days to paste the whole thing. | 我计划了2到3天 来把整件事贴上 |
| 187 | Those guys were so motivated | 那些家伙好有动机 |
| 188 | that literally two or three hours we had done it. | 我们做了两三个小时 |
| 189 | So I said, wait, stop guys. | 所以我说,等等,阻止家伙。 |
| 190 | They're going to bring | 他们将带来 |
| 191 | you back to your cell. | 你回到你的牢房里去。 |
| 192 | Give me a second. | 给我一秒钟。 |
| 193 | I'm going to try and get some guards to paste with us. | 我要找一些警卫来和我们一起贴 |
| 194 | And | 还有 |
| 195 | they were like, look, you know, we love your utopism and stuff, but like that's where it stopped. | 他们喜欢,看,你知道,我们 喜欢你的乌托邦主义和东西, 但就像这就是它停止的地方。 |
| 196 | I'm like, no, no, just give me a second. | 我就像,不,不,只是给我一秒钟。 |
| 197 | So I start going to the guards and I say, hey, | 所以我开始去看守 我说,嘿, |
| 198 | do you mind participating? | 你介意参加吗? |
| 199 | No, no, no. | 不,不,没有。 |
| 200 | 50 no. | 50号 |
| 201 | One guy say yes. | 一个人答应了 |
| 202 | Say cool. | 说酷。 |
| 203 | Come with me. | 跟我来 |
| 204 | They're | 他们是 |
| 205 | and then another guard and another guy. | 还有另一个警卫和另一个男人 |
| 206 | And that's where the real walls were falling down | 真正的城墙就在那倒下 |
| 207 | because there's no communication between those guards and the inmates. | 因为那些守卫和囚犯之间没有任何联系 |
| 208 | And you know what? | 你知道吗? |
| 209 | From | 从 |
| 210 | the floor, it was so big, we couldn't see it anyway. | 地板,它是如此大, 我们看不到它反正。 |
| 211 | You had to send a drone. | 你必须派无人机 |
| 212 | So remember again, | 请记住 |
| 213 | you're in a supermarket security prison. | 你在超市保安监狱 |
| 214 | It's geofencing. | 其地缘. |
| 215 | So we're sending the drone. | 所以,我们发送无人机。 |
| 216 | Those | 这些 |
| 217 | guys have never seen a drone their whole life. | 他们一辈子都没见过无人机 |
| 218 | They were more excited about the drone than the | 他们更兴奋的无人机比 |
| 219 | right. | 对 |
| 220 | Because if not, it's going to look a bit ugly from up there. | 因为如果不是,它会看起来有点丑陋 从上面。 |
| 221 | And that's what you see from | 这就是你看到的 |
| 222 | up there. | 那边 |
| 223 | That's what you see from up there. | 从上所见. |
| 224 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 225 | The whole yard, all their faces. | 整个院子,所有他们的脸。 |
| 226 | And when you zoom in, actually, you see the picnic table. | 当你放大时,你可以看到野餐桌。 |
| 227 | You can still see it looks like a hole, | 你仍然可以看到它看起来像一个洞, |
| 228 | but it's actually an illusion. | 但它实际上是一个幻觉。 |
| 229 | And you see the guys walking on it. | 你看到那些家伙走在它上面。 |
| 230 | Now, the craziest part of all | 现在,最疯狂的部分 |
| 231 | of it is because of that crazy permit that I had, I literally walked in without being searched. | 是因为我那份疯狂的许可 我走进来却没被搜查 |
| 232 | I had my phone on me. | 我手机上有电话 |
| 233 | So I started filming in there and posting it on social media. | 于是我开始在那里拍摄并在社交媒体上发布。 |
| 234 | So this guy | 所以这家伙 |
| 235 | there was showing me his tattoo on day one. | 第一天给我看他的纹身 |
| 236 | And then the evening, he called his family and they | 然后晚上,他打电话给他的家人和他们 |
| 237 | said, we saw you on Gerald's Instagram. | 我们在杰拉德的Instagram上看到你了 |
| 238 | It's incredible. | 不可思议. |
| 239 | We see what you guys are doing. | 我们知道你们在做什么。 |
| 240 | He was so proud. | 他很骄傲 |
| 241 | The next day he said, Gerald, do you mind me showing my diplomas? | 第二天他说 杰拉尔德 你介意我出示文凭吗? |
| 242 | They started | 他们开始 |
| 243 | realizing the impact of suddenly having a connection with the outside. | 发现突然与外界联系的影响 |
| 244 | Then this guy | 然后这家伙 |
| 245 | showed up. | 出现了 |
| 246 | His name is Kevin. | 他叫凯文 |
| 247 | When I saw him, I was like, wow, in my life, I never have a second | 当我见到他,我就像,哇, 在我的生命,我从来没有第二次 |
| 248 | chance to ask a guy, hopefully, why he have a fucking swastika on his face. | 希望有机会问一个男人 为什么他脸上有他妈的纳粹党徽 |
| 249 | And so I asked him, | 所以我问他 |
| 250 | and he was like, oh, this, almost like he forgot about it. | 他就像,哦,这个, 几乎像他忘了它。 |
| 251 | He was like, I did this as a gang thing | 他喜欢,我这样做作为一个帮派的事情 |
| 252 | when I went in prison, but now if I could, I would remove it. | 我进监狱的时候,但现在如果可以的话,我会去掉它。 |
| 253 | I was like, okay, do you mind if I take | 我当时想,好吧,你介意我拿 |
| 254 | a photo and I share it? | 一张我分享的照片? |
| 255 | He was like, yeah, sure. | 他就像,是的,当然。 |
| 256 | I share that photo. | 我同意这张照片。 |
| 257 | Now, as you can imagine on | 现在,你可以想象 |
| 258 | social media, a lot of people was as shocked and offended as I was, but a lot of people were like, | 社交媒体上,很多人 和我一样震惊和冒犯, 但很多人喜欢, |
| 259 | that's strange because that doesn't connect with the beauty in his eyes and the humanity in him. | 这很奇怪 因为这和他眼中的美 和他内心的人性无关 |
| 260 | So I went back to him and I said, look, Kevin, there's this thing called social media. | 于是我回到他身边 我说,凯文,有个叫社交媒体的东西 |
| 261 | I know | и笵 |
| 262 | you've been here too long. | 你在这里太久了 |
| 263 | You don't know about this, but people writing comments. | 你不知道,但人们写评论。 |
| 264 | I'm going to | 我会 |
| 265 | read them to you. | 读给你听 |
| 266 | And I think some of them you should answer. | 我想你应该回答其中的一些问题。 |
| 267 | So we started talking and I did | 于是我们开始交谈,我做到了 |
| 268 | many and many videos and asking him again and again, and he responded and he went deeper and | 许多视频, 问他一次又一次, 他回答,他走更深 |
| 269 | deeper. | 更深一点 |
| 270 | And it started a chain of people who were like, let's get this tattoo out of his face. | 开始一连串的人, 他们喜欢,让我们把这个纹身 从他的脸。 |
| 271 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 272 | So now, before we reveal the image that you saw, I didn't want it to throw it to the world | 所以,现在,在我们揭示你所看到的形象之前, 我不想把它扔给世界 |
| 273 | like that. | 像这样 |
| 274 | For now, only the inmates and I have seen it. | 现在 只有囚犯和我见过 |
| 275 | We started an app where you can actually | 我们启动了一个应用程序,你实际上可以 |
| 276 | go in, it's totally free, and you can go and click on any faces and hear their story for as | 进去,这是完全免费的, 你可以去点击 任何面孔,并听到他们的故事 |
| 277 | much as they want. | 随时随地 |
| 278 | I wonder, you know, I've seen it. | 我不知道,你知道,我见过它。 |
| 279 | I saw people telling me that they heard story | 我看到有人告诉我 他们听到的故事 |
| 280 | and like a podcast, but I wonder how would they feel about it? | 喜欢播客, 但我想知道他们会有什么感觉? |
| 281 | I wanted the feedback from them. | 我想从他们的反馈。 |
| 282 | So I got a permit to go back in the prison. | 所以我有回监狱的许可 |
| 283 | And this time I said, let me walk on some more walls, | 这次,我说,让我走 在更多的墙上, |
| 284 | I'll find an idea, let me get back in. | 我会找到一个想法,让我回来。 |
| 285 | So I go back in there and I started walking on the walls, | 所以我回到那里,开始走在墙上, |
| 286 | but it was really the excuse was like, I need to speak to you guys. | 但它真的是借口 就像, 我需要和你们谈谈。 |
| 287 | So I said, what happened, | 所以我说,发生了什么事, |
| 288 | guys? | 伙计们? |
| 289 | They were like, well, what do you mean what happened? | 他们就像,嗯,你是什么意思 发生了什么事? |
| 290 | I was like, well, I was in the outside, | 我当时在外边 |
| 291 | I can't speak to you guys. | 我不能跟你们说话 |
| 292 | What was the impact inside? | 里面有什么影响? |
| 293 | It's like, oh, the impact inside is pretty | 这就像,哦, 里面的影响是漂亮的 |
| 294 | simple. | 很简单 |
| 295 | Let me tell you for myself. | 让我亲自告诉你 |
| 296 | I mean, my daughter never visited me in 14 years. | 我女儿14年没来看我了 |
| 297 | And now | 现在 |
| 298 | she sat in her bedroom and she listened to my audio. | 她坐在她的卧室里 听我的录音 |
| 299 | And now she sees me every week. | 现在她每周都见我 |
| 300 | He says, | 他说, |
| 301 | you can ask to every one of those guys here and they'll tell you the same story. | 你可以问这里的每个人 他们会告诉你同样的故事。 |
| 302 | And he told me | 他告诉我 |
| 303 | another thing happened is that the guards started listening to our stories. | 另一件事是警卫们开始听我们的故事 |
| 304 | They treat us differently | 他们对我们不同 |
| 305 | now. | 现在 |
| 306 | Then we started seeing the walls falling down. | 然后我们开始看到墙壁倒塌. |
| 307 | So I left a little souvenir in the courtyard. | 所以我在庭院里留下了一点纪念品 |
| 308 | I was like, all right, let me make one more wall disappear before I go. | 好吧,让我在走之前再弄一堵墙消失 |
| 309 | So we pasted the mountains | 於是我们就把山贴上 |
| 310 | from behind the wall on the wall. | 从墙后的墙上。 |
| 311 | And it's still there actually. | 并且实际上还存在. |
| 312 | This one is still in level four, | 这个还在四级 |
| 313 | which is the supermarket security prison. | 这是超市安全监狱。 |
| 314 | And they told me in winter it becomes all snowy. | 他们告诉我冬天会下雪 |
| 315 | And so you actually don't tell the difference between the reality and the world. | 所以实际上你并没说出现实和世界的区别。 |
| 316 | Now, Kevin | 现在,凯文 |
| 317 | was still in prison. | 还在监狱里 |
| 318 | So I visited him again. | 所以我再次拜访了他。 |
| 319 | And something had changed in him. | 他身上有些变化 |
| 320 | He was already | 他已经是了 |
| 321 | helping others. | 帮助别人。 |
| 322 | And, you know, you could tell that he almost had forgotten about his tattoo, | 你知道,你可以告诉 他几乎忘了他的纹身, |
| 323 | even if it was still there, because you cannot remove tattoos in prison. | 即使它还在那里, 因为你不能去除纹身 在监狱。 |
| 324 | So I brought him a book | 所以我给他带了本书 |
| 325 | and I told him, look, there's a swastika on the cover. | 我告诉他,你看,封面上有一个纳粹党。 |
| 326 | I thought you'd like it. | 我想你会喜欢的。 |
| 327 | And he laughed, | 他笑着, |
| 328 | but I said, no, seriously, this is our friend, Art Spiegelman, who wrote it. | 但我说 不 说真的 这是我们的朋友Art Spiegelman写的 |
| 329 | And he told the story | 他讲述了这个故事 |
| 330 | about his family in the Holocaust. | 他的家人在大屠杀。 |
| 331 | And so that night he went and read the book and he was really | 于是当晚他去读了这本书,他真的 |
| 332 | moved. | 移动。 |
| 333 | He called his mom and he said, mom, you know, those French people, they brought me this book, | 他打电话给他的妈妈 他说,妈妈,你知道, 那些法国人, 他们给我带来了这本书, |
| 334 | talks about the Holocaust. | 谈论大屠杀。 |
| 335 | And she said, but you stupid moron, your family was from Poland. | 她说,但你这个愚蠢的白痴, 你的家人来自波兰。 |
| 336 | They were hiding Jews there at the time. | 当时他们把犹太人藏在那里. |
| 337 | They died in Auschwitz because of protecting them. | 他们死于奥斯威辛,因为保护他们。 |
| 338 | And you go in prison and do this on your face? | 你进监狱的时候 脸上都这样? |
| 339 | He was in shock. | 他吓坏了 |
| 340 | Couple years later, which is | 几年后,这就是 |
| 341 | months ago, he came out. | 几个月前,他出来了 |
| 342 | Like many others from the project, almost all of them got moved to a | 和这个项目的其他人一样,他们几乎都搬到了 |
| 343 | lower security prison. | 低安全监狱。 |
| 344 | And one third of them got freed because of having good grades and | 他们中三分之一因为成绩好而被释放 |
| 345 | notes by the guards after all the project. | 之后的警卫们的笔记。 |
| 346 | So Kevin went out and the first thing he did | 凯文出去了,他做了第一件事 |
| 347 | was to go up that hill that he looked at for 17 years to look down at the prison that he was | 上那座他看了17年的山 看那座监狱 |
| 348 | in. | 进去 |
| 349 | And then the second thing, as I promised him, I took him to a doctor to remove his tattoo. | 第二件事,我答应他,我带他去医生那里取他的纹身。 |
| 350 | And the session started with the laser and it's very painful. | 而会话是从激光开始的,非常痛苦. |
| 351 | And at the end of it, the doctor | 最后,医生 |
| 352 | removed the laser and she told him, well, who's better than a Jewish doctor to remove your swastika? | 她告诉他 谁比犹太医生更能移除你的纳粹党徽? |
| 353 | And that's him now. | 现在就是他了 |
| 354 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 355 | You know, we really try to bring that. | 你知道,我们真的试图带来。 |
| 356 | We really try to bring him here, | 我们真的想把他带到这儿来 |
| 357 | but his parole officer, who is actually really nice, he said, | 但他的假释官, 他其实真的很好,他说, |
| 358 | JR, you're pushing too much. | JR,你推得太过分了 |
| 359 | He's not going to Canada. | 他不会去加拿大的 |
| 360 | Sorry about it. | 对不起 |
| 361 | But he knows I'm here talking about it. | 但他知道我在这里谈论它。 |
| 362 | You know, I want to use art as a bridge to make people talk | 你知道,我想用艺术作为桥梁 让人们说话 |
| 363 | to each other. | 彼此之间。 |
| 364 | I'm not an activist. | 我不是一个活动家。 |
| 365 | I'm just an artist. | 我只是个艺术家 |
| 366 | I don't try to tell people what to think. | 我不试着告诉别人该怎么想 |
| 367 | I just try to make them think. | 我只是试图让他们思考。 |
| 368 | And I really see art, to me, it's like it's in the process. | 我真正看到艺术, 对我来说,它就像它在过程中。 |
| 369 | That's what's important. | 这才是重要的 |
| 370 | And after this whole project, after everything I showed you, | 经过这整个项目, 经过所有我展示给你, |
| 371 | what shook them, what struck them the most is that I shook their hand. | 震撼他们的东西 最震撼他们的是我握着他们的手 |
| 372 | So at the end, | 所以到最后,我们... |
| 373 | they even asked me for a hug. | 他们甚至要我抱抱 |
| 374 | Now, I remember their first question, which was, what is the | 现在,我记得他们的第一个问题是, 什么是 |
| 375 | purpose of your art? | 你艺术的目的? |
| 376 | Well, art can change things, but can it change the world? | 艺术可以改变事物 但能改变世界吗? |
| 377 | Or can it change a | 或者它能改变 |
| 378 | human being? | 人类? |
| 379 | And again, before you answer that question, think at some point in your life, | 再说一遍 在你回答这个问题之前 想想你生命中的某个时刻 |
| 380 | have you changed? | 你变了吗? |
| 381 | And if yes, if you did, why can't they? | 如果有,如果有,为什么不能呢? |
| 382 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 383 | That's amazing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 384 | You're amazing. | 你真厉害 |
| 385 | You also just got back from the Ukraine, | 你也刚从乌克兰回来 |
| 386 | and I wanted to show us just another piece of your work. | 我想让我们看看你的作品 |
| 387 | Oh yeah, I was in Ukraine. | 是的,我在乌克兰。 |
| 388 | The biggest city in the west side of Ukraine is called Elviv. | 乌克兰西部最大的城市叫埃尔维夫. |
| 389 | And I had a friend of mine took that photo at the border. | 我有个朋友在边境拍了那张照片 |
| 390 | He sent it to me. | 他寄给我的 |
| 391 | I printed it 150 | 我印了一百五十张 |
| 392 | feet long. | 脚长。 |
| 393 | We rolled it as a tarp, walked through the border with it. | 我们把它卷成油布,用它穿过边界。 |
| 394 | It's actually easy to go that | 其实很容易 |
| 395 | way, you know, to enter Ukraine. | 要进入乌克兰 |
| 396 | So nobody was like, are you going to go this way? | 所以没人喜欢, 你会走这条路吗? |
| 397 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 398 | And then | 礛 |
| 399 | we drove to, you know, I met some people on Instagram and they came and picked me up | 我们开车去,你知道,我在Instagram遇到一些人 他们来接我 |
| 400 | in their car. | 在他们的车上。 |
| 401 | And then we gathered hundreds of people. | 然后聚众数百人. |
| 402 | We wanted to show Putin's planes, | 我们想展示普京的飞机 |
| 403 | who they were shooting out. | 他们正在射出。 |
| 404 | And so that little girl is actually safe. | 所以那个小女孩其实是安全的。 |
| 405 | When she got photographed, | 当她被拍照, |
| 406 | she was coming out of the country. | 她从乡下出来 |
| 407 | So she's now in Warsaw, and she's okay. | 所以她现在在华沙 她没事 |
| 408 | And since then, actually, | 从那时起,实际上, |
| 409 | we're moving this image all around Europe. | 我们把这幅画传遍欧洲 |
| 410 | So while Ted was happening in the last four days, | 所以当Ted在过去四天里发生的时候 |
| 411 | the image was in Berlin, Düsseldorf, Venice this morning, and then they will keep traveling. | 今天早上在柏林 杜塞尔多夫 威尼斯 他们就会继续旅行 |
| 412 | And each time, each place, people are gathering by themselves and opening it up. | 每一次,每个地方,人们自己聚集起来,打开它. |
| 413 | That is amazing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 414 | JR 谢谢 | |
| 415 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
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