马斯克 × 黄仁勋 × Anthropic 创始人罕见同台：
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:03 | Hey team, oh gee | 嘿,团队,哦,耶 |
| 0:06 | Are we late? | 我们迟到了吗? |
| 0:09 | Guys | 伙计们 |
| 0:10 | Good to be here. | 很高兴来到这里。 |
| 0:11 | Go America. | 去美国 |
| 0:13 | Team America. | 美国队. |
| 0:14 | Let go. | 放开我 |
| 0:15 | Yes, indeed | 是的,确实 |
| 0:16 | So America, right brothers | 所以美国,正确的兄弟 |
| 0:19 | First man on the moon the internet the two of us right brothers. | 第一个登上月球的人 互联网上我们两个兄弟 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Hey team, oh gee | 嘿,团队,哦,耶 |
| 2 | Are we late? | 我们迟到了吗? |
| 3 | Guys | 伙计们 |
| 4 | Good to be here. | 很高兴来到这里。 |
| 5 | Go America. | 去美国 |
| 6 | Team America. | 美国队. |
| 7 | Let go. | 放开我 |
| 8 | Yes, indeed | 是的,确实 |
| 9 | So America, right brothers | 所以美国,正确的兄弟 |
| 10 | First man on the moon the internet the two of us right brothers. | 第一个登上月球的人 互联网上我们两个兄弟 |
| 11 | I like that indeed | 我喜欢这样 |
| 12 | We've we've essentially led every major technological revolution, which has been to the enormous benefit of America | 我们基本上领导了所有重大技术革命, 这给美国带来了巨大的利益。 |
| 13 | ordinary Americans | 普通美国人 |
| 14 | We're I guess we're now calling this super intelligence, which I think is actually good branding | 我想我们现在称这为超级情报, 我认为这实际上是很好的品牌 |
| 15 | And so let's let's talk about how America wins this and we make that winning good for ordinary Americans | 让我们来谈谈美国如何赢得胜利 如何让普通美国人赢得胜利 |
| 16 | well | 不错 |
| 17 | Excuse me die coke | 对不起,我死了可乐 |
| 18 | Sorry | 对不起 |
| 19 | So first of all artificial | 所以首先要人为的 |
| 20 | superintelligence superintelligence | 超级智能 |
| 21 | Is a complete reinvention of the computing stack | 是计算堆栈的彻底重塑 |
| 22 | Everything from the way the processors the chips are are designed and the way they operate to the way software is | 从芯片的处理器设计 以及操作到软件的操作方式 |
| 23 | Now trained and developed to the way that the applications are able to | 现在训练并发展到 应用能够 |
| 24 | Perform what they're able to do and how they how they perform every single layer of the computing stock has been reinvented | 做他们能做的 以及他们如何完成 每一层的计算 被重新发明 |
| 25 | this | 这个 |
| 26 | way of doing computing unlike previous ways of | 计算方式与以往的计算方式不同 |
| 27 | Retrieving information. | 检索信息. |
| 28 | This is a generative approach to to a computing and therefore in order for us to succeed | 这是对计算的一种遗传方法 因此为了让我们成功 |
| 29 | The first thing we need is energy | 我们首先需要的是能量 |
| 30 | Because we need the energies to to run the compute the compute run the algorithms the algorithms | 因为我们需要能量来运行计算 计算 运行算法 |
| 31 | Then feed the applications and so at the at the foundational layers energy and from that energy | 然后在基底层的能量和能量中 给应用提供食物 |
| 32 | We build the land power and shell and that hosts the infrastructure so and so forth | 我们建造了土地动力和壳体 并且拥有基础设施等等 |
| 33 | And so the way we win, of course, we are world-class in chip design. | 因此,我们获胜的方式,当然, 我们在芯片设计上是世界一流的。 |
| 34 | We're world-class in algorithm development | 我们是算法开发的世界一流 |
| 35 | and | 和 |
| 36 | And so one of the things that we need to do is just be vigilant about | 所以,我们需要做的一件事 就是保持警觉 |
| 37 | Enabling power delivery and power generation to happen and President Trump has been has been visionary in being pro-energy | 让电力供应和发电得以实现,特朗普总统一直有远见地支持能源 |
| 38 | Without the pro-energy vision of President Trump. | 没有川普总统支持能源的愿景. |
| 39 | It would have been impossible for us to build the data centers on top of it | 我们不可能在上面建数据中心 |
| 40 | Now, of course, these data centers are coming online so quickly | 现在,当然, 这些数据中心 上线这么快 |
| 41 | we're we're | 我们是 |
| 42 | Coming into a lot of neighborhoods and a lot of communities. | 进入众多街区和众多社区. |
| 43 | We have to do a better job | 我们必须做得更好 |
| 44 | And partner with the communities and and make and bring them along and make them part of the prosperity and the success of this industrial revolution | 与社区结为伙伴,创造并带他们一起 让他们成为工业革命繁荣和成功的一部分 |
| 45 | But that's how we win, you know, we got to build the world's best chips | 但是,这就是我们如何赢得,你知道, 我们必须建造 世界上最好的筹码 |
| 46 | We got to build we have to have lots and lots of energy | 我们要造,我们得有 大量的精力和精力 |
| 47 | Create incredible algorithms and then lastly make sure that America is enthusiastic about the technology so that we diffuse it into all of these | 创造出不可思议的算法 然后最后确保美国热衷于这个技术 这样我们就可以把它传播到所有这些 |
| 48 | Various industries from manufacturing to health care, you know space space exploration so and so forth | 从制造业到医疗保健,你知道太空探索等等 |
| 49 | Awesome. | 厉害 |
| 50 | You know, how do we win? | 我们怎么赢? |
| 51 | How do we keep winning? | 我们怎么继续赢? |
| 52 | Well | 这个嘛 |
| 53 | We need a lot of power a lot of energy generation. | 我们需要大量的电力 大量的能源生产。 |
| 54 | So | 这么说 |
| 55 | Scaling energy I think is one of the biggest things you've got to scale energy. | 放大能量,我认为是最大的 事情之一,你不得不放大能量。 |
| 56 | You've got to scale chip production | 你一定要扩大芯片生产规模 |
| 57 | and | 和 |
| 58 | I think we're winning on software on anything intellectual or digital | 我认为我们是在软件上赢得任何知识或数字 |
| 59 | but | 不过 |
| 60 | Long run in the long run we need to be able to | 从长远来看,我们需要能够 |
| 61 | generate enough power | 产生足够的动力 |
| 62 | to compete with I | 和我竞争 |
| 63 | think essentially China is the biggest competitor and trying to has | 基本上认为中国是最大的竞争对手 并试图拥有 |
| 64 | About three times the electricity production of the United States | 大约是美国发电量的三倍 |
| 65 | And I think we'll figure out how to make sure | 我想我们会想办法确定 |
| 66 | so | 这样 |
| 67 | so that the really the central challenge I think is long long term is going to be how do you generate enough power and | 所以,我认为真正的中心挑战 是长期 将是如何产生足够的动力和 |
| 68 | How do you ensure that we have enough? | 你怎么保证我们有足够的钱? |
| 69 | Logic and memory fabrication capacity in the United States or in a safe region | 美国或一个安全地区的逻辑和记忆制造能力 |
| 70 | Well, you are we need the Wright brothers on the job. | 好吧,你需要莱特兄弟的工作。 |
| 71 | Yes | 对 |
| 72 | Well, it turns out the Wright brothers are on the job Elon if you bring on | 莱特兄弟在做埃隆的工作 |
| 73 | 10 gigawatts which SpaceX's has discussed publicly | SpaceX公开讨论的10千兆瓦 |
| 74 | That'll be about 25% of all the power added in America | 大约占美国新增电量的25% |
| 75 | And I know you have literal rocket engineers working on bringing on the power | 我知道你的火箭工程师正努力把电力 |
| 76 | Yeah, helping make the turbines so can you talk about that? | 是啊,帮助制造涡轮机 所以你能谈谈吗? |
| 77 | Yeah, it's I mean just to frame this | 是啊,我是说,只是来陷害这个 |
| 78 | The average power consumption in the United States is about 500 gigawatts | 美国平均耗电量约500千兆瓦 |
| 79 | so every 5 gigawatts of incremental steady-state production is a 1% increase in in the power used | 所以每5千兆瓦的增量稳态生产 就会增加1%的功率 |
| 80 | And and I think actually will materialize to be approximately 1% increase in GDP | 我认为,实际上,国内生产总值将增长1% |
| 81 | Because the intelligence per watt keeps increasing so if you just you know plot on a curve | 因为每瓦的智能不断增长 所以只要你知道曲线上的图 |
| 82 | How is how is the useful intelligence per watt increasing? | 每瓦的有用情报是如何增加的? |
| 83 | How is the both at the hardware level at Jensen's? | 在Jensen的硬件层面上 两者都怎么样? |
| 84 | GPUs keep getting better in terms of their the their you know, the compute per watt | GPU在每瓦的计算率方面不断提高 |
| 85 | And the algorithms also get better in using it and getting more intelligence per watt. | 而算法在使用中也得到了更好的利用,并且每瓦获得更多的智能. |
| 86 | So | 这么说 |
| 87 | So I think that's a maybe an interesting note I | 所以我觉得这也许是个有趣的音符 我 |
| 88 | Would bet anyone that 1% increase in power usage corresponds to roughly 1% increase in GDP | 任何人打赌电量增长1% 相当于GDP增长1% |
| 89 | And and so 10 10 gigawatts would be a 2% increase in GDP | 10千兆瓦的国内生产总值增长2% |
| 90 | with the Rubens I think | 我想和鲁本夫妇 |
| 91 | So let's do let's do the simple math. | 因此,让我们做简单的数学。 |
| 92 | So each gigawatt | 所以每个千兆瓦 |
| 93 | Can probably generate about call it 40 50 billion dollars of economic output each year | 每年能产生400亿美元的经济产出 |
| 94 | Yeah, I mean 1% would be yeah, I mean, yeah 1% in the United States would be | 是啊,我的意思是1%是 是的,我的意思是,是啊1% 在美国将是 |
| 95 | 300 billion. | 三千亿. |
| 96 | Yeah 300 billion. | 有三千亿. |
| 97 | And so | 这样 |
| 98 | 50-1 6th what 1% of the of the | 50-1 6 占1%的 |
| 99 | 1% increase so 5 gigawatts would be yeah, well 5 gigawatts would be a 300 billion. | 增加1% 所以5千兆瓦是的, 5千兆瓦将是3000亿。 |
| 100 | Yeah, exactly 60 billion | 是啊,正好600亿 |
| 101 | That's right the math math | 没错,数学 |
| 102 | That's what we're good at yes, yeah | 这就是我们擅长的 是的 |
| 103 | So that's that's quite not good at too many other things but man | 所以,那是相当不擅长 太多其他的事情,但男人 |
| 104 | Yeah, I mean it's gonna increase quite dramatically year over year so | 是啊,我的意思是,它会 相当猛增 一年一年,所以 |
| 105 | Yeah, I mean | 是啊,我是说 |
| 106 | From a SpaceX standpoint, we're looking at long term. | 从SpaceX的角度来说,我们正在研究长远问题。 |
| 107 | How do we? | 怎么样? |
| 108 | access a lot more energy than could be accessed on the ground and and that's with space so | 获得比地面上 更多的能量 空间就是如此 |
| 109 | Orbital compute is going to be a very big deal | 轨道计算是件大事 |
| 110 | in fact and Google agrees that they just actually sent up or are either about to or | 事实上,Google也同意,他们只是实际发送,或者即将或即将发送。 |
| 111 | Soon about to send up some TPUs. | 很快会送来一些TPU. |
| 112 | I think there's that there was a | 我想这是... |
| 113 | An h-100 that was put into orbit like last year. | 和去年一样被送入轨道的H -100 |
| 114 | I think so it does work in space and | 我想这在太空里是可行的 |
| 115 | 而SpaceX则是 | |
| 116 | Aiming together with Tesla to do a 200 gigawatts of solar | 与Tesla一起做200千兆瓦太阳能 |
| 117 | Production per year and if brought to space that you get the nameplate or better on the solar power | 每年生产,如果带进太空,你可以得到太阳电源上的名牌或更好 |
| 118 | Whereas if it's on the ground you're gonna get somewhere between a fifth and an eighth of the solar power generation and you need enormous batteries | 如果在地面上 你就会得到五分之一到八分之一的太阳能发电量 你需要巨大的电池 |
| 119 | so whereas it's | 所以,虽然它 |
| 120 | essentially always sunny in space so | 基本上总是阳光照耀着太空 |
| 121 | And right now is a great time to do it because the economic returns of these computing systems are so good | 而现在是一个伟大的时间 做到这一点,因为 这些计算系统的经济回报 如此好 |
| 122 | That the the launch cost all those is still quite high | 发射成本仍然很高 |
| 123 | In terms of the overall economic benefit is quite quite affordable. | 就整体经济利益而言,相当可承受。 |
| 124 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 125 | This is the perfect time to do it | 是时候了 |
| 126 | We're putting in video compute in space is the best way to get there | 我们把视频计算在太空 是到达那里的最佳方法 |
| 127 | Yeah, climbing the Kardashev scale with American power and American chips on American rockets. | 对,用美国力量攀登卡达舍夫的高度 和美国火箭上的芯片 |
| 128 | I love it | 我喜欢 |
| 129 | Yeah, so Jensen you said something that I thought was important about how | 所以Jensen 你说了一些我认为很重要的话 |
| 130 | When we bring the energy to all these small towns, we're re | 当我们把能量带到这些小镇时,我们是 |
| 131 | Industrializing America. | 美国工业化. |
| 132 | We're revitalizing small towns. | 振兴小城镇. |
| 133 | We're modernizing the grid. | 我们正在更新电网。 |
| 134 | These are things that | 这些东西 |
| 135 | Essentially every American politician is wanted for the last 35 years | 过去35年里,每个美国政客都被通缉 |
| 136 | What would you say? | 你会说什么? |
| 137 | What are some? | 什么东西? |
| 138 | specifics you can give | 细节,你可以给出 |
| 139 | About how data centers are good for ordinary Americans and the communities and how they're getting better for those communities | 关于数据中心如何对普通美国人和社区好 以及它们如何对这些社区好 |
| 140 | You know, we used to call them data centers | 你知道,我们曾经叫它们数据中心 |
| 141 | Because that's where we hold data but the things that we're building now, these are really si factories | 因为那是我们保存数据的地方, 但是我们现在正在建造的东西, 这些真的是SI工厂。 |
| 142 | Superintelligence factories and the reason why is a factory is because you're producing something of economic value | 超级智能工厂和为什么是工厂 是因为你在生产有经济价值的东西 |
| 143 | You're just not storing it. | 你只是没有储存它。 |
| 144 | And so so these si factories | 所以这些工厂 |
| 145 | Are real factories. | 真正的工厂。 |
| 146 | It's like a you know, big giant power generator and real factories got a lot of | 这就像一个你知道, 大巨型发电机 和真正的工厂有很多 |
| 147 | Computing and networking in their power generation cooling systems. | 在其发电冷却系统中进行计算和联网。 |
| 148 | It's complicated things | 事情很复杂 |
| 149 | And so we're building out, you know, just as the internet today allows you to find anything anywhere in the future | 所以,我们正在建设,你知道, 就像今天的互联网 允许你找到任何未来 |
| 150 | With these AI excuse me si infrastructure si factories, you'll be able to know anything and do anything from anywhere. | 有了这些人工智能,我原谅Si 基础设施Si 工厂,你会 能够知道任何事情和做什么 从任何地方。 |
| 151 | And so | 这样 |
| 152 | Now we're building this infrastructure out and you know, we call it | 现在我们正在建造这个基础设施 你知道,我们称之为 |
| 153 | Across all of the United States somewhere between 10 | 在美国各地的某个地方 大约在10岁左右 |
| 154 | 20 gigawatts a year | 每年20千兆瓦 |
| 155 | Let's just just estimate that creates just you know, probably about a million jobs and in building out these data centers | 我们只是估计一下 创造出大概一百万个工作 以及建立这些数据中心 |
| 156 | Don't forget you've got to build a power generation plants. | 别忘了要建设发电站. |
| 157 | You've got to build the data centers. | 你必须建立数据中心。 |
| 158 | You've got construction | 你有建筑 |
| 159 | You've got you know power cooling | 你知道电冷 |
| 160 | You've got you know pipe fitters and so this is the first time and probably as you mentioned 35 | 你认识水管缝合器,所以这是第一次,也许像你提到的35 |
| 161 | I was going to say 50 years first time in 50 years. | 我本来要说50年 第一次在50年。 |
| 162 | We are | 我们是 |
| 163 | Re-industrializing the United States creating a whole bunch of blue-collar jobs and | 使美国重新工业化 创造一大堆蓝领工作 |
| 164 | And I think we want we want an economy we want an economy that has a shape that includes | 我想我们希望我们想要一个经济 我们希望一个经济 有形状,包括 |
| 165 | White collar jobs and blue collar jobs, not just white collar jobs | 白领工作 蓝领工作 不只是白领工作 |
| 166 | and so so I think that this is our great chance of reshaping our economy and bringing that type of | 所以我认为这是我们重塑经济 带来那种 |
| 167 | builders and craft | 建筑工匠 |
| 168 | Backed into the United States. | 回到美国。 |
| 169 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 170 | And it I mean it feels like what uh, what? | 我的意思是,它的感觉 像什么,嗯,什么? |
| 171 | Colossus and macro hard and macro harder have done and been amazing the communities around them the jobs they've created | 科洛萨斯和宏观 硬和宏观困难已经做了, 令人惊叹 周围的社区 他们创造的工作 |
| 172 | How do you how do you think about that? | 你觉得怎么样? |
| 173 | Yeah, the economic impact is a positive economic impact has been tremendous. | 是的,经济影响是积极的 经济影响是巨大的。 |
| 174 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 175 | mean | 说 |
| 176 | We there's actually a job shortage in the region and where's that used to be quite a bit of unemployment and now it's | 我们地区实际上有 缺少工作, 哪里过去是 相当一部分失业 现在它是 |
| 177 | this is there's a | 这是有一个 |
| 178 | Overemployment if you will this there's more jobs than there are people | 如果你愿意的话 工作比人多 |
| 179 | And the the tax benefits for the community have been tremendous | 给社区带来巨大的税收好处 |
| 180 | I think the I think we might have doubled their their tax budget or something | 我认为我们可能把他们的税收预算翻了一番 |
| 181 | Quite quite tremendous. | 相当棒 |
| 182 | We do like small things that are helpful like provide, you know, low-priced half-price stalling | 我们喜欢一些小东西 像提供,你知道, 低价半价拖延 |
| 183 | access | 访问 |
| 184 | We're building a water recycling plant. | 建水回收厂. |
| 185 | That's a 250 million dollar water recycling plant | 那是个价值2.5亿的水回收厂 |
| 186 | I think you do need to do things for the community and if you do so they will reciprocate | 我认为你确实需要为社区做一些事情 如果你这样做,他们会回报 |
| 187 | Awesome now one of the things that people people forget is that for the first time in and probably forever | 令人惊叹的是 人们忘记的一件事是 第一次,也许永远 |
| 188 | That we have to market forces to support the investment of sustainable energy | 我们必须以市场力量支持可持续能源的投资 |
| 189 | You give me an example of a fusion fission, you know | 你给我一个核聚变的例子 |
| 190 | small nuclear reactor larger | 大型小型核反应堆 |
| 191 | Reactor almost every form of sustainable energy is being funded today | 今天,几乎每一种形式的可持续能源都得到资助 |
| 192 | And so we have the opportunity to fund the future of energy without without the government subsidizing without | 因此我们有机会资助能源的未来 没有政府补贴,没有 |
| 193 | Right. | 对 |
| 194 | Yeah, I mean we this is you give me an example of a great energy battery storage idea | 是啊,我的意思是,我们这是你给我一个例子 一个伟大的能量电池存储的想法 |
| 195 | It's going to get funded. | 将得资粮. |
| 196 | Awesome | 厉害 |
| 197 | By the way on behalf of all Americans, I want to thank both of you | 顺便代表所有美国人 感谢你们两位 |
| 198 | I think combined you have created more than five trillion dollars of wealth for ordinary Americans in their 401 case | 我认为你创造了超过5万亿美元的财富 在他们401个案件中 |
| 199 | Tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of jobs directly | 数万个,也许几十万个直接工作 |
| 200 | Many tens of billions of wages. | 数百亿工资。 |
| 201 | So, thank you | 谢谢 |
| 202 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 203 | Think this is done five trillion by himself actually, I'm sorry. | 想想这其实是他自己做的 五万亿,我很抱歉。 |
| 204 | I think this is done five trillion by himself | 我想这是自己做的五万亿 |
| 205 | Around three and a half or something. | 三点半左右 |
| 206 | Yeah | 对 |
| 207 | I was trying to be conservative. | 我试图保守。 |
| 208 | Yes | 对 |
| 209 | So you guys both had a great Monday. | 你们周一玩得很开心 |
| 210 | I was watching the Starship launch | 我在看星舰发射 |
| 211 | First orbital Starship launch while I was reading about the open agent safety framework from Invictus | 我读到Invictus的开放代理安全框架时 第一次轨道星舰发射 |
| 212 | Which was an exciting morning | 这是一个令人兴奋的早晨 |
| 213 | so maybe maybe maybe you could each talk about each of those because | 也许你们可以谈每个问题 |
| 214 | We need Starship to get those 200 gigawatts of American solder with American chips American superintelligence into orbit | 我们需要星际飞船 让那200千兆瓦的美国售货机 配有美国芯片 美国超级智能进入轨道 |
| 215 | I'll talk about his he talks on mine | 我会说起他,他跟我说话 |
| 216 | No, I'm just kidding. | 不,我只是在开玩笑。 |
| 217 | So so let's see as you know, we want to advance AI | 所以,让我们来看看,你知道, 我们想推进AI |
| 218 | Advanced aside I'm gonna get good at this. | 进退两难,我会处理好的 |
| 219 | We're gonna advance SI in a in a responsible and optimistic way | 我们要以负责和乐观的方式推进SI |
| 220 | And we we know that the future | 我们知道未来 |
| 221 | We strongly believe that the future that si is going to enable is a future that we want to be part of and so we're | 我们坚信Si将要实现的未来 是我们希望参与的未来 所以我们是 |
| 222 | Optimistic about that and that's the reason why we're driving so hard on the other hand | 乐观,这就是为什么我们开车这么用力 |
| 223 | We have to make sure that we develop this technology safely and securely there's several different parts of it while you're training the model | 我们必须保证我们安全地开发这个技术 当你训练这个模型时,它有几个不同的部分 |
| 224 | That's that's generally a fairly safe environment | 这一般是一个相当安全的环境 |
| 225 | But while you're evaluating the model where you're testing the model you have to make sure that the agent agentic system the model itself is | 但当你在评估测试模型的模型时 你必须确保模型本身是代理系统 |
| 226 | Highly contained that containment system has to be really secure | 控制系统必须非常安全 |
| 227 | and the second thing is that while you're while you're testing it you want to monitor that that just because just | 第二件事是 当你在测试的时候 你想监视它 |
| 228 | Even though even though you have a contained you should never trust that it's contained | 虽然你有一个控制器 你永远不应该相信它被控制 |
| 229 | So you want to monitor it in real time and you want to ideally monitor it with another another chip so that it is outside | 所以,你想实时监测它, 你希望最好用另一个芯片监测它,这样它就在外面 |
| 230 | You know if you will call out of band | 你知道如果你会调出乐队 |
| 231 | Outside the environment outside the sandbox of the agent itself. | 外环境 外的沙盒 代理人本身。 |
| 232 | And so you want to contain and you want to monitor | 所以,你想控制,你想监视 |
| 233 | Once you're done | 吃完了再说 |
| 234 | Evaluating in this way when you deploy you want to use a very similar system and this is no different than than | 在部署时以这种方式评估,您想要使用一个非常相似的系统,这与 |
| 235 | Just about any digital any human employee that you hire you've given them a containment of rights and tools and access | 任何你雇佣的人类员工 你都给了他们一些权利 工具 以及访问 |
| 236 | And then you monitor on a regular basis on a continuous basis | 然后你经常不断地监测 |
| 237 | and so in the case of agents, we just have to make sure containment and | 因此,对于特工, 我们只需要确保 遏制和 |
| 238 | Monitoring has to be done in the most secure of ways and we introduce two technologies one's called open shell | 监控必须以最安全的方式进行 我们引进了两种技术 一个叫做开放壳 |
| 239 | It's a containment system | 是个禁闭系统 |
| 240 | It's basically kind of like a browser for websites | 基本上就像网站的浏览器 |
| 241 | It's now essentially a browser of agents and that browser keeps | 它现在基本上是一个浏览器 代理和浏览器保存 |
| 242 | The agent isolated from the rest of the computer and the rights that you give it are only the rights | 与电脑其他部分隔离的特工 以及你赋予他们的权利 |
| 243 | It should have and then the the monitoring system | 应该有,然后是监测系统 |
| 244 | 新的芯片叫Bluefield 它能注意 | |
| 245 | Everything that the agent is doing at all times and if it does anything that's you know out of bounds and against the policy that has | 特工随时随地所做的一切 如果它做了你所知道的事情 |
| 246 | Been given then it you know escalates as far as you need it to escalate | 给它的时候,你知道会升级 你需要它升级 |
| 247 | I thought it was a great analogy in the technical blog where he said in the early days of Internet | 我觉得这在技术博客上是一个很好的类比 他在互联网早期说 |
| 248 | Everybody was worried about your credit card could get stolen. | 大家都担心你的信用卡会被偷 |
| 249 | We made the Internet safe and that's why we have Amazon | 我们让互联网安全了 这就是为什么我们有亚马逊 |
| 250 | 我们有Netflix 我们有Google 我们有X | |
| 251 | We have so many so many great things because we made the Internet safe now | 我们有很多伟大的东西 因为我们让网络安全了 |
| 252 | We're doing now now we're doing the same with AI and safety is not | 我们现在做,我们做同样 对AI,安全不是 |
| 253 | You know inconsistent with advancing the technology safety and advancing a technology is one of the same thing | 你知道与推进技术安全不一致 推进技术也是一回事 |
| 254 | It's no different than when you have autopilot | 跟自动驾驶没什么两样 |
| 255 | Not only is it advanced technology is also safe for technology and so you want to you advance the technology in that way | 不仅先进技术对技术也是安全的 所以你想用这种方式推进技术 |
| 256 | The two are not in conflict the idea that if you advance capability | 两者并不冲突 如果你提高能力 |
| 257 | It somehow compromises safety if you advance safety somehow you fall behind that that's just that you know | 它不知何故损害安全 如果你推进安全 不知何故你落在后面 |
| 258 | Those are false choices. | 这些都是错误的选择。 |
| 259 | Yeah safety lets us accelerate but Elon if the Starship is going to be a big part of those 200 gigawatts | 是啊,安全让我们加快,但伊隆 如果星际飞船 将是200千兆瓦的很大一部分 |
| 260 | What can you tell us about Monday's flight what you learned how you feeling about the program? | 你能告诉我们周一的航班 了解你对节目的感受吗? |
| 261 | I think the Starship is going great with we | 我觉得星舰和我们一起发展得很好 |
| 262 | we took Starship to orbit for the first time and | 我们第一次把星舰送上轨道 |
| 263 | We deployed starlink b3 satellites, which were enormous satellites. | 我们部署了恒星连线b3卫星 它们是巨大的卫星 |
| 264 | I mean these are satellites with wingspan of 737 so | 这些卫星的翼展是737 |
| 265 | Really really enormous | 痷 |
| 266 | In fact, it's the largest payload delivered to orbits in Skylab. | 事实上,它是送入Skylab轨道的最大有效载荷. |
| 267 | So | 这么说 |
| 268 | Now we expect Starship to | 现在我们期待星舰 |
| 269 | Ultimately next year, I think probably reach a weekly or twice weekly cadence | 明年,我总算能达到每周一次或两次 |
| 270 | We've got not Tom Brown here. | 这里没有汤姆·布朗 |
| 271 | I know him by his ex-handle. | 我认识他的前手。 |
| 272 | Welcome | 欢迎光临 |
| 273 | My my car took a wrong turn so you guys got here faster than me impressive | 我的车转错弯了 你们来得比我快 |
| 274 | Glad you made it | 很高兴你来了 |
| 275 | So, but Elon, please please continue talking about how Starship is going to let us get to | 伊隆,请继续说星舰会如何让我们 |
| 276 | 200 gigs of American solar with American ships with American superintelligence | 200千兆赫的美国太阳能 配有美国超级情报的美国飞船 |
| 277 | Yeah, so I mean Starship is going to do a lot of things | 是啊,所以我的意思是星舰 会做很多事情 |
| 278 | It's I mean it's intended to carry enough payload to the moon and Mars to build a self-growing city on the moon or Mars. | 我的意思是,它的意图是携带足够的有效载荷到月球和火星,以便在月球或火星上建立一个自我成长的城市. |
| 279 | So | 这么说 |
| 280 | But I think as a rough-order magnitude you need about a million tons to deliver to the surface of the moon to create a self-growing city | 但我认为,作为一个粗糙的序量 你需要约一百万吨 交付到月球表面 创建一个自我成长的城市 |
| 281 | Similarly a similar number for Mars | 火星的类似数字 |
| 282 | And and then in addition it will launch at least 300 gigawatts a year of AI compute | 之后每年至少推出300千兆瓦的AI计算器 |
| 283 | 200 gigawatts a year would be a 40% increase annually in the United States total energy | 每年200千兆瓦,美国能源总量每年增加40% |
| 284 | Consumption so it's quite a quite a big number and it might end up being a terawatt one day | 消耗量很大,总有一天会变成千兆瓦 |
| 285 | So this is this is serious tonnage | 所以,这是严重的吨位 |
| 286 | Awesome and in Tom | 太棒了,在汤姆 |
| 287 | Anthropic | 人类 |
| 288 | Your your company your co-founder of Anthropic you announced opus 5.5 in the last several days | 你的公司,你的联合创始人 安特罗皮克 在过去几天里你宣布了 opus 5.5 |
| 289 | And I thought maybe we'd go to the exponential that we are on and I think it's helpful to ground | 我想也许我们可以去 指数,我们是在 我认为它有用地面 |
| 290 | What can opus 5.5 and maybe it's for everybody | 什么可以OPus 5.5,也许这是每个人 |
| 291 | what can opus 5.5 do to make the lives of ordinary Americans better today and | 怎样才能让普通美国人的生活得到改善 |
| 292 | Where are we going to be in a year? | 一年后我们要去哪儿? |
| 293 | Yeah, so | 对,所以 |
| 294 | Opus 5.5是一个 | |
| 295 | Model that I think just continues the normal progress that we've had of getting kind of more IQ points for each of these | 模式,我认为只是继续 正常的进展,我们已经得到了 排序更多的智商点 对于每一个这些 |
| 296 | super intelligences | 超级智能 |
| 297 | with each model release and | 每个模型发布, |
| 298 | So the main things that people will see if they use it now is that it can do a task that takes a longer time | 所以,人们会看到的主要事情 如果他们现在使用它 是它可以做一个任务 需要更长的时间 |
| 299 | Then they'd be able to delegate to to a previous model | 然后他们就可以委托给之前的模特儿 |
| 300 | And so I think the things that people should see is just like as a normal American if you want a task | 所以我认为人们应该看到的东西 就像一个正常的美国人 如果你想要一个任务 |
| 301 | If you want to actually delegate a task to it | 如果你想把任务交给它 |
| 302 | It will be able to do that better is one thing and then two is the thing that I think people notice less | 它能做得更好 是一件事,然后是两件事 我认为人们不太注意 |
| 303 | Which is just that there's going to be a huge amount of software being written by these models | 就是这些模型会写出大量的软件 |
| 304 | And so all of the products that people use are going to be getting higher quality | 所以人们使用的所有产品 都会提高质量 |
| 305 | cheaper over time and it'll have this effect of just like | 随着时间的推移,它会有这种效果 就像 |
| 306 | All of the all of the tools that we use now were written by like people doing engineering work | 我们现在使用的所有工具 都像做工程的人一样 |
| 307 | And now it's going to be written by both people and superintelligence is doing much much more engineering work than what's possible before | 而现在它将会被人们所写 和超级智能正在做更多的工程工作 比之前可能做的更多 |
| 308 | Absolutely, but I think it's doing so much more than this. | 绝对的,但我觉得它做的 远不止这一点。 |
| 309 | There's already multiple stories of AI | 已经有很多AI的故事了 |
| 310 | I'm sorry superintelligence | 对不起,超级情报 |
| 311 | superintelligence | 超级情报 |
| 312 | Finding a life-saving drug that can be used for a disease that it wasn't understood that it could safely treat | 找到一种救生药,可以用于一种不理解的疾病,可以安全治疗 |
| 313 | So it's saving lives. | 故救众生. |
| 314 | I think it's having profound impacts on education | 我觉得这对教育有深远的影响 |
| 315 | But maybe each of you could talk for ordinary Americans | 但也许你们每个人都能为普通美国人说话 |
| 316 | What's superintelligence doing today? | 超级情报今天做什么? |
| 317 | And what's it going to be able to do in a year? | 且一年之内能如何? |
| 318 | I'm an ordinary American and | 我是个普通的美国人 |
| 319 | I use I use | 我用这个 |
| 320 | Clyde to | 克莱德呼叫 |
| 321 | Help me do research and and instead of giving me just answers and most of my research | 帮我做研究 而不是给我答案和大部分研究 |
| 322 | That maybe there's comparative research that I'm doing and there's two or three different approaches to something and I wanted to answer a list | 也许有比较研究,我在做, 有两三个不同的方法 对于某件事,我想回答一个清单 |
| 323 | of different questions and compare and contrast | 比较和对比 |
| 324 | rates of rates of growth or rates of change or whatever it is and and so I describe literally, you know every single question I have | 增长率 或变化率 或它是什么 所以我从字面上说,你知道我每个问题 |
| 325 | And nothing gives me more joy than and then and I asked her to create a nice report and plot it out | 没有什么能让我比过去更快乐了 我要求她写一份好的报告 然后把它写出来 |
| 326 | I mean sometimes there's a pie chart sometimes a bar graph and I just hit enter and nothing gives me more joy | 我的意思是,有时有一个馅饼图 有时一个条形图,我刚刚打进 没有什么让我更高兴 |
| 327 | And just watch it go and then it comes back and it creates a beautiful, you know, beautiful report | 看着它去,然后它回来, 它创造了一个美丽的,你知道,美丽的报告 |
| 328 | And and then instead of instead of researching all these different topics for four six eight hours | 而不是研究所有这些不同的话题 四个六八小时 |
| 329 | Which back in the old days I would on a weekend, you know learn something new it goes off and creates me this really really beautiful | 回到过去,我会在周末学习一些新东西 它会让我变得非常美丽 |
| 330 | final report in about three minutes and | 三分钟后提交最后报告 |
| 331 | You know, it's all condensed and now you're getting smarter faster. | 你知道,这一切都凝结 现在,你越来越聪明了。 |
| 332 | Love it | 喜欢它 |
| 333 | What about for you? | 你怎么样? |
| 334 | How's how do you are you seeing? | 你好吗? |
| 335 | Superintelligence helping ordinary Americans. | 超级智能帮助普通美国人. |
| 336 | What do you think it'll do in a year or two? | 一两年后会怎么样? |
| 337 | Maybe a year or two take the year two from now | 也许一年或两年 以后两年 |
| 338 | Yeah, well, I think it's it's helping people organize their lives and do better at their jobs. | 是啊,我想是帮助人们 组织他们的生活,做更好的工作。 |
| 339 | So I think it really will become | 所以我觉得它真的会变成 |
| 340 | Essential if it isn't already for people to use AI | 如果人们还没有使用人工智能,那就非常必要了 |
| 341 | for in their professional lives certainly and and in their private lives and so | 在他们的职业生涯中 当然,在他们的私人生活中 |
| 342 | AI is just an incredibly helpful useful thing | 人工智能只是很有用的东西 |
| 343 | You know, I've heard many anecdotes of AI helping people | 我听过很多关于AI帮助别人的传闻 |
| 344 | with medical issues and in many cases where the the doctor was wrong and | 有医疗问题,而且在许多情况下医生是错的, |
| 345 | They submitted their | 他们提交了他们的 |
| 346 | x-rays or MRI to to AI and and AI got it, right and | 给AI的X光或核磁共振 AI得到它,对和 |
| 347 | But but for AI they would have died and I've heard many such cases | 但是如果不是AI 他们早就死了 我听过很多这样的案子 |
| 348 | Awesome, and hopefully opus 5-6 tells Tom don't take that left | 棒极了,希望5 -6号线 汤姆不要走左边 |
| 349 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 350 | Think it's important these these super intelligences | 觉得这些超级情报很重要 |
| 351 | They're imbued with the values of their creators and we do have there. | 他们充满了创造者的价值观,我们确实有。 |
| 352 | There are American values that we all share | 有美国的价值观 我们都共享 |
| 353 | the First Amendment free speech | 第一修正案规定的言论自由 |
| 354 | commitment to truth | 对真相的承诺 |
| 355 | Can you can you talk about what each of you are doing to imbue? | 你能说说你们各自在做什么吗? |
| 356 | I'll make sure that these these super intelligences are imbued with | 我会确保这些超级情报 |
| 357 | With the right values. | 带着正确的价值 |
| 358 | Are we allowed to say anything controversial say something controversial? | 是否允许我们说一些有争议的话? |
| 359 | Okay, so so I | 好吧,所以我说 |
| 360 | The the SI's are our tools and and the challenge with an SI with values | SI是我们的工具 也是我们面对的挑战 |
| 361 | Meaning it has judgment | 意味着它有判断力 |
| 362 | Depending on how you use that SI it may decide | 取决于你如何使用 SI 它可能决定 |
| 363 | How it decides it may judge you and its effectiveness would be affected by that judgment | 它如何判断你,其效力将受到该判决的影响 |
| 364 | And so it's a little bit like a steak knife where if you if you were served medium | 所以它有点像牛排刀 如果你是中号的话 |
| 365 | Well, it cuts perfectly but if you were served rare steak and it looks awfully like | 好吧,它切得很完美 但如果你得到 稀有牛排 它看起来非常像 |
| 366 | live meat | 鲜肉 |
| 367 | Somehow it doesn't cut and so I I think there's a there's a you know | 不知怎的,它不剪 所以我想有一个你知道的 |
| 368 | there's a there's a | 有一个 |
| 369 | Question in my mind yet about how much judgment you really want these tools to have and and so that the intentions of the user | 在我脑海中问到 你真正想要这些工具 有多少判断力 |
| 370 | You know | 你知道吗 |
| 371 | Obviously, I use I use the knife as an example, but you can think of a whole bunch of other examples | 很明显,我用刀作为例子 但你可以想出其他的例子 |
| 372 | The intentions are a little bit different, you know | 意图有点不同,你知道 |
| 373 | Whether you're a defender or an attacker for example in cybersecurity | 无论是卫士还是攻击者 比如网络安全 |
| 374 | the defenders actions could resemble an attacker and you want the defender you want this SI to | 维权者的行为可能像攻击者 而你希望这个维权者 |
| 375 | Activate on behalf of the defender even though it appears to be and you know an aggressive action, right? | 代表维权者行动,尽管它看起来是,你知道一个侵略行动,对不对? |
| 376 | I think we were running up on time | и谋眔ие碞ǐ |
| 377 | But maybe if you guys could share if you spent a lot of time at the White House is there | 但是,也许你们可以分享 如果你花了很多时间 在白宫在那里 |
| 378 | Anything that you can share share with the world about what came out of what was evidently a | 任何你可以分享给世界的 有关什么 出自显然是一个 |
| 379 | Long and productive lunch. | 长而丰盛的午餐. |
| 380 | We did good. | 我们做得很好。 |
| 381 | Yeah | 对 |
| 382 | we signed a | 我们签了 |
| 383 | joint declaration | 联合声明 |
| 384 | regarding SI safety | 关于职业安全协会的安全 |
| 385 | And I think I think that'll be published by the White House soon | 我想白宫很快就会公布的 |
| 386 | It hasn't been already but we agreed to a number of things that | 还没有,但我们同意了一些事情 |
| 387 | include joint monitoring | 包括联合监测 |
| 388 | Board special committees and | 理事会特别委员会和 |
| 389 | Just generally grading each other's homework, which is a lot better than if people just grade their own homework | 只是一般地把对方的功课分级, 这比人们把自己的功课分级好得多 |
| 390 | properties reasons | 属性原因 |
| 391 | And it includes everything it includes everything from rigorous internal controls | 包括严格内部控制的所有内容 |
| 392 | Well established methods well-established processes | 完善的既定方法 |
| 393 | I'm very clearly documented intentions of the products that you're building internal controls to make sure that you're delivering on those intentions | 我非常清楚地记录了你们正在建立内部监控系统的产品意图,以确保你们能够兑现这些意图。 |
| 394 | Internal audit | 内部审计 |
| 395 | that that escalates external audits from from a third party and | 将外部审计从第三方升级, |
| 396 | And then industries sharing best practices. | 然后行业分享最佳做法。 |
| 397 | I thought that the | 我以为 |
| 398 | The the declaration has bit has has a lot of teeth | 宣言有一点 有很多牙齿 |
| 399 | I thought it was really well written and | 我觉得写得很好 |
| 400 | I think this is a practice that that quite frankly as standards for our industry going forward | 我认为这是一种做法 坦率地说,这是我们行业前进的标准 |
| 401 | Every every single company out of embrace and so POTUS POTUS pulled it all together he he | 每一个公司都从拥抱中出来 所以总统把这一切拉到一起 |
| 402 | watched over the meeting and | 看着会议 |
| 403 | Was able to bring everybody out and you know, I thought it was it was really well run | 能把所有人都带出来,我以为它运行得很好 |
| 404 | Awesome. | 厉害 |
| 405 | Well on behalf of all Americans | 好吧,代表所有美国人 |
| 406 | Thank thank all of you for doing everything you can to make the future is awesome and optimistic for American Americans | 感谢大家尽你所能 创造未来 对美国人来说是令人赞叹和乐观的 |
| 407 | As you can and you are so thank you | 尽你所能,谢谢你 |
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