早晨的皮质醇节律，怎么控制你一整天的能量和专注|日常习惯揭秘
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | It's hurting. | 其伤也. |
| 0:02 | So I don't seek out pain, physical pain, | 所以我不寻求疼痛,身体疼痛, |
| 0:10 | but I don't know. | 不过我不知道 |
| 0:11 | So maybe our human species is divided | 所以也许我们人类是分裂的 |
| 0:14 | into builders and sustainers. | 成为建造者和供养者。 |
| 0:17 | I don't want to say like people who are just, | 我不想说像人 谁只是, |
| 0:18 | I don't like the builder taker thing. | 我不喜欢建筑工拿东西 |
| 0:20 | There's some takers in the world, | 世界上有一些接受者 |
| 0:21 | but most people I think are trying to be good people, | 但我认为大部分人都想成为好人 |
| 0:23 | most people. | 大多数人。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | It's hurting. | 其伤也. |
| 2 | So I don't seek out pain, physical pain, | 所以我不寻求疼痛,身体疼痛, |
| 3 | but I don't know. | 不过我不知道 |
| 4 | So maybe our human species is divided | 所以也许我们人类是分裂的 |
| 5 | into builders and sustainers. | 成为建造者和供养者。 |
| 6 | I don't want to say like people who are just, | 我不想说像人 谁只是, |
| 7 | I don't like the builder taker thing. | 我不喜欢建筑工拿东西 |
| 8 | There's some takers in the world, | 世界上有一些接受者 |
| 9 | but most people I think are trying to be good people, | 但我认为大部分人都想成为好人 |
| 10 | most people. | 大多数人。 |
| 11 | But maybe people have not ever conceptualized themselves | 但也许人们从来没有概念化自己 |
| 12 | in the kind of life adventure builder framework. | 那种生命冒险创造者的框架。 |
| 13 | I think a big test of it is whether or not | 我想一个很大的考验是,是否 |
| 14 | when somebody sees somebody else striving and doing well, | 当有人看见别人努力而行善的时候, |
| 15 | does it make you feel good | 这让你感觉很好 |
| 16 | or does it make you feel overwhelmed? | 还是让你觉得不堪重负? |
| 17 | When I see somebody striving and doing well, | 当我看到有人努力和做得很好 |
| 18 | I'm like, yeah. | 我很喜欢,是的。 |
| 19 | Like I can take some, I don't want to take from them. | 就像我可以拿一些, 我不想从他们。 |
| 20 | I can feed off that energy. | 我可以靠这种能量养活 |
| 21 | It feeds me. | 它供养我 |
| 22 | That's the right language. | 此语对. |
| 23 | It feeds me. | 它供养我 |
| 24 | They're going, I'm getting, I'm like, yes. | 他们走了,我得到了,我很喜欢,是的。 |
| 25 | I mean, it's so cool. | 我的意思是,这太酷了。 |
| 26 | Like this thing I observed this morning, | 就像我今早看到的一样 |
| 27 | and this conversation fundamentally changed the way | 这段对话从根本上改变了方式 |
| 28 | that I think about things going forward, | 我思考未来的事情, |
| 29 | all of which is generative. | 这些都是遗传性的。 |
| 30 | What can I learn from you? | 我能从你那里学到什么? |
| 31 | And I've already learned from you. | 我已经从你身上学到了 |
| 32 | So I'm grateful. | 所以,我很感谢。 |
| 33 | Really, I'm not just saying that as a formality | 真的,我不只是说 作为一个形式 |
| 34 | or to be kind, it was just true. | 或为善良,这是事实。 |
| 35 | It's clear, especially for someone at 29, | 很明显,特别是对29岁的人来说 |
| 36 | like you have a very, you have a big picture perspective | 就像你有一个非常, 你有一个大视野 |
| 37 | that certainly I didn't have at 29. | 当然,我没有29。 |
| 38 | And that, and great leadership qualities to you. | 而且,还有你伟大的领导才能。 |
| 39 | Yeah, really. | 对,真的 |
| 40 | I mean, you're the host, but you have like sort of a, | 我的意思是,你是主持人, 但你有类似一种, |
| 41 | there's a calm in you and a kindness, | 你内心平静和善良 |
| 42 | but also a drive clearly that fosters | 同时也是一次能促进 |
| 43 | real feelings of safety. | 真实的安全感。 |
| 44 | I can say that as your guest, | 我可以说,作为你的客人, |
| 45 | because I've been on a number of podcasts | 因为我在很多播客上 |
| 46 | where you kind of feel like | 那种感觉 |
| 47 | someone's trying to pull something. | 有人想拉东西 |
| 48 | I don't get any of that. | 我不懂这些 |
| 49 | So appreciate that. | 非常感谢 |
| 50 | It's something I work to cultivate on my own podcast. | 我的工作就是用自己的播客来培育 |
| 51 | And I don't know, | 我也说不出口 |
| 52 | because I've only been the host, not the guest, | 因为我只是主持人 不是客人 |
| 53 | but that I'm going to think about some of this more, | 但我会考虑的更多, |
| 54 | certainly. | 当然 |
| 55 | And then my friend, seeing him do this, | 然后我的朋友,看到他这样做, |
| 56 | incredible act of medicine and science, | 不可思议的医学和科学行为, |
| 57 | and just like, he's at the edge, | 就像,他在边缘, |
| 58 | he's at the frontier of science, | 他在科学的前沿, |
| 59 | discovering new brain areas | 发现新的大脑区域 |
| 60 | using the most modern technologies, AI. | 使用最现代的技术,AI. |
| 61 | He's also a bioengineer because he's like a female. | 他也是一名生物工程师,因为他像女性. |
| 62 | And I see that and I go, wow, | 我看到了,我走了,哇, |
| 63 | like I'm inspired to do better. | 就像我被启发做更好的。 |
| 64 | And maybe some people are like, | 也许有些人喜欢, |
| 65 | and this is perfectly fine, | 这很好, |
| 66 | we'll hear or see things like that and go, cool. | 我们会听到或者看到这样的事情 然后走,酷。 |
| 67 | Like I just love watching a great soccer game | 就像我喜欢看足球比赛一样 |
| 68 | as a spectator. | 作为旁观者. |
| 69 | And I'm not inspired to go do anything with it. | 我没有灵感去做任何事情。 |
| 70 | I just want to see my team win. | 我只是想看到我的团队获胜。 |
| 71 | And that's cool too. | 这也很酷。 |
| 72 | That's not me, but that's cool. | 这不是我,但是这很酷。 |
| 73 | And, but I see Mezi and I think like, what's he doing? | 但我看到梅兹,我想,他在做什么? |
| 74 | Like, how does he, like, what's he doing? | 喜欢,他怎么样,喜欢, 他在做什么? |
| 75 | And, and how can I, | 我怎么会... |
| 76 | I don't think there's anything that special | 我觉得没什么特别的 |
| 77 | about any one person in history or currently. | 任何一个人的历史或目前。 |
| 78 | I just think some people are just have, | 我只是觉得有些人只是有, |
| 79 | some have gifts, sure, and opportunities, | 有些人有天赋,当然,和机会, |
| 80 | but I think they just channel their efforts. | 但我认为他们只是引导他们的努力。 |
| 81 | And yeah, I think we, | 是的,我想我们, |
| 82 | I really think we are, you know, it sounds cliche, | 我真的觉得,你知道, 这听起来陈词滥调, |
| 83 | but I think that we all have the opportunity | 但我认为我们都有机会 |
| 84 | to build beautiful things in our lives at whatever scale. | 建造美丽的东西 在我们的生活中无论规模。 |
| 85 | And that's, you know, humans at their best. | 这就是,你知道,人类在他们最好的。 |
| 86 | But you know, this has a lot to do with your identity, | 但你知道 这和你的身份有关 |
| 87 | how you see yourself. | 你如何看待你自己。 |
| 88 | And because you see, you think this about yourself, | 因为你看到了,你想想你自己, |
| 89 | you look at other people as well, | 你看着其他人, |
| 90 | and you look at other human beings, | 你看着别人, |
| 91 | and you think they can do beautiful things as well, right? | 你觉得他们也能做美事 对吧? |
| 92 | But someone out there is listening to you, | 但外面有人在听你的话 |
| 93 | and is feeling like a loser right now. | 现在感觉像个失败者 |
| 94 | How can that person change his or her identity | 此人如何改变其身份 |
| 95 | to start feeling like a winner, | 开始觉得自己是个赢家 |
| 96 | or start feeling like they can do some of the beautiful things | 或者开始感觉他们可以做一些美丽的事情 |
| 97 | which you just described? | 你刚才描述的是什么? |
| 98 | Yeah, well, it's a verb action. | 是啊,这是一个动词动作。 |
| 99 | So, and I want to be clear, I've had hardship. | 所以,我想说清楚,我有过困难。 |
| 100 | I mean, less than some more than others, | 我的意思是, 少于一些 比其他, |
| 101 | but you know, the collapse of my family early on in life | 但是,你知道, 我的家人崩溃 早期的生活 |
| 102 | was very disruptive to me. | 对我来说是非常干扰的。 |
| 103 | And in ways that, I mean, I've moved through, | 以这种方式,我的意思是,我已经通过, |
| 104 | but it was, it's just very, like I hear about your family, | 但是,它只是非常, 就像我听说你的家人, |
| 105 | and I'll be very honest. | 我将非常诚实。 |
| 106 | And there's a bit of like a, I'm super happy for you. | 有点儿像,我为你高兴 |
| 107 | I'm delighted. | 我很高兴。 |
| 108 | But there's a little bit of it, | 但有一点, |
| 109 | like I get a little bit of like, man, | 就像我有点像,伙计, |
| 110 | like that would have been awesome. | 这样会很棒 |
| 111 | Some small fraction of that now, | 现在只有一小部分了 |
| 112 | but I had some of that in certain forms | 但我有 在某些形式 |
| 113 | for a certain amount of time. | 在一定的时间。 |
| 114 | And then you just go, | 然后你就这样走了, |
| 115 | and I was born into a healthy body, let's go. | 我出生在一个健康的身体,我们走吧。 |
| 116 | We got work to do here, so you can't live there, right? | 我们还有工作要做, 所以你不能住在那里,对不对? |
| 117 | But so I've had some hardships, | 但我有些困难, |
| 118 | certainly lost for someone who was not in the military | 对于一个没有参军的人来说,他确是失败的。 |
| 119 | or didn't grow up in the inner city, | 或者没有在城内长大, |
| 120 | I've lost all three of my scientific colleagues, | 我失去了三个科学同事 |
| 121 | died young, my mentors, suicide, cancer, cancer. | 年轻的去世 我的导师 自杀 癌症 癌症 |
| 122 | I was very close with all of them, | 我和他们都很亲密 |
| 123 | in particular, the second one, a lot of friends die. | 特别是第二个 有很多朋友死了 |
| 124 | And you learn to just kind of keep going | 你学会了继续 |
| 125 | and take those losses and keep cycling forward. | 继续走下去 |
| 126 | In fact, there's a protocol for grief, you know, | 事实上,有一个程序 悲伤,你知道, |
| 127 | in my book to deal with grief, | 在我的书 处理悲伤, |
| 128 | because most people think it's just anger, acceptance, | 因为大多数人认为这只是愤怒,接受, |
| 129 | and then what is it like? | 然后是什么感觉? |
| 130 | There's anger, acceptance, denial, | 愤怒、接受、否认 |
| 131 | and then eventually you find peace with them. | 最终你会找到 与他们和平相处。 |
| 132 | But that's not how grief works at all. | 但悲伤根本不是这样的 |
| 133 | Grief is about the nervous system | 悲伤是神经系统的问题 |
| 134 | thinking there's an action to take around somebody | 以为有人要采取行动 |
| 135 | and not being able to complete the call or see them. | 无法完成呼叫或见到他们。 |
| 136 | It's this like impulse to, | 这就像冲动, |
| 137 | oh, like your nervous system thinks they're still there | 就像你的神经系统认为他们还在 |
| 138 | and they're not, and so it's an unfulfilled expectation. | 而且他们不是, 所以这是一个未实现的期望。 |
| 139 | It's like reaching for food when you're very hungry | 就像在饿了的时候去吃东西一样 |
| 140 | and it's coming towards your mouth | 它朝你嘴边飞来 |
| 141 | and then it disappears. | 然后它就消失了。 |
| 142 | That's what grief is like. | 悲伤就是这样 |
| 143 | And so you have to go through certain | 所以你必须经过一定的 |
| 144 | science supported things in order to allow that circuit | 科学支持的东西,以便允许电路 |
| 145 | to shift into a different framework | 转向不同的框架 |
| 146 | where it's really about the past. | 和过去有关的地方 |
| 147 | But your nervous system is still trying to do this. | 但你的神经系统还在努力这样做 |
| 148 | So, you know, I still deal with some of these things, | 所以,你知道,我仍然处理 其中一些事情, |
| 149 | but the person who is like, hears this and is like, | 但人喜欢, 听到这个和像, |
| 150 | oh, I feel like a loser. | 哦,我觉得像个失败者。 |
| 151 | Well, you're comparing to the end state | 好吧,你比较 与结束状态 |
| 152 | of having quote unquote one. | 引用未引用的一。 |
| 153 | I'm talking from my position now, | 我现在从我的位置说话, |
| 154 | but there were years where I was at very little money. | 但有几年我的钱很少 |
| 155 | You know, as an academic living in the Bay area, | 作为住在湾区的学者 |
| 156 | okay, I wasn't in absolute poverty, | 好吧,我不是在绝对贫困, |
| 157 | but it was really a struggle. | 但它确实是一个斗争。 |
| 158 | It was really a struggle at times. | 这确实是一个斗争 有时。 |
| 159 | All sorts of challenges of loss and things of that sort. | 各种各样的挑战 损失和类似的东西。 |
| 160 | So there were some dark days in there for sure. | 所以里面确实有些黑暗的日子 |
| 161 | I think it boils down to something that I was told | 我想这归结为有人告诉我的 |
| 162 | and I never articulated it myself, | 我从未亲自阐明过 |
| 163 | but this is what was going through my head | 但这就是我脑海中发生的事 |
| 164 | for year after year after year for decades, | 年复一年 数十年来 |
| 165 | which is losers take things that happen to them. | 即亏折者,得享受他们所遭遇的灾难。 |
| 166 | And indeed, sometimes that are things that happened to them | 事实上,有时, 事情发生在他们身上 |
| 167 | that they could not control or missteps or errors or losses. | 他们不能控制或错步 错误或损失。 |
| 168 | And they ruminate on it and they turn those thoughts | 他们妄自尊大, |
| 169 | and those emotions into things | 和那些情感进入事物 |
| 170 | that harm themselves or others. | 伤害自己或他人。 |
| 171 | Winners take the things that happen to them, good or bad, | 赢家会把发生在他们身上的东西,好或坏, |
| 172 | and they transmute that sometimes through very hard work | 他们有时会用非常辛苦的工作来改变 |
| 173 | that involves talking to oneself, reminding oneself, | 包括自言自语 提醒自己 |
| 174 | journaling things out, forcing oneself | 日记,强迫自己 |
| 175 | to make better decisions. | 做出更好的决定。 |
| 176 | And they take those hard things | 他们把硬的东西 |
| 177 | and they turn them into actions that are supportive | 并把它们变成支持行动 |
| 178 | and indeed generative for them | 他们确是他们的后裔, |
| 179 | and for others in the world, period, end of story. | 以及对世界上的其他人来说 故事的结束 |
| 180 | Now, those are just words. | 现在,这些只是文字。 |
| 181 | So the question is how? | 所以问题是如何解决? |
| 182 | Well, the first thing is to acknowledge | 首先要承认 |
| 183 | that both losers and winners have hard thoughts | 输家和赢家都有困难的想法 |
| 184 | and emotions and feelings of despair, okay? | 和情绪和绝望的感觉,好吗? |
| 185 | The shift is not one of, oh, I'm just going to be a winner. | 换班不是,哦,我只是要成为赢家 |
| 186 | I'm going to take all the hard stuff | 我要把硬东西都拿走 |
| 187 | and just think good thoughts and do good things. | 想想好的想法 做好事情 |
| 188 | No, you literally have to force that on yourself | 不,你必须强迫自己 |
| 189 | over and over and over, sometimes multiple times per hour | 一次又一次,有时每小时多次 |
| 190 | or every five minutes, | 或每五分钟, |
| 191 | but you cannot let yourself attack, self-attack | 但你不能让自己攻击,自我攻击 |
| 192 | or attack others. | 或攻击他人。 |
| 193 | You cannot do it. | 你不能这样做。 |
| 194 | Whatever, so sometimes the best thing to do is nothing. | 不管怎么样,所以有时候最好的办法就是什么都不做。 |
| 195 | You can't get into a generative state. | 你不能进入基因状态。 |
| 196 | You're focusing on something really hard. | 你专注于一些非常难的事情。 |
| 197 | Okay, just feel the feelings, but don't do anything. | 好吧,只是感受感受,但不要做任何事情。 |
| 198 | Don't get up out of your chair. | 别从椅子上站起来 |
| 199 | But then eventually you get up out of your chair | 但最后你还是从椅子上站起来 |
| 200 | and you do something. | 做点什么 |
| 201 | What you don't do is self-harm or harm others. | 你不做的事是自我伤害或伤害他人。 |
| 202 | That could be with words. | 可能是用词 |
| 203 | It could be physically. | 可能是身体上的伤 |
| 204 | It could be by not going to work, not going to school, | 可能是因为不去工作,不去上学, |
| 205 | just smoking weed and playing video games, | 只是抽大麻和玩电子游戏, |
| 206 | indulging in porn, saying horrible things to yourself, | 沉迷于色情 对自己说可怕的话 |
| 207 | giving up on the world. | 放弃这个世界 |
| 208 | That's the default for many people. | 这对许多人来说都是默认的. |
| 209 | So you have to ratchet yourself over | 所以,你必须自投罗网 |
| 210 | towards that other side. | 朝另一边走 |
| 211 | But once you do that, you realize, | 但一旦你这样做, 你意识到, |
| 212 | oh, all of the control is in my mind | 哦,所有的控制权在我脑海里 |
| 213 | and there's nothing outside of me | 我外面什么都没有 |
| 214 | that's actually going to teach me that process. | 这实际上会教我这个过程。 |
| 215 | I mean, this is the one danger of anything inspirational | 我的意思是,这是一个危险 任何激励 |
| 216 | is that it comes from the outside. | 是它来自外部。 |
| 217 | And it can be very useful. | 它可能非常有用。 |
| 218 | It can be like a rung on a ladder | 可能像梯子上的龙一样 |
| 219 | that we can pull ourselves forward on. | 我们可以继续前进。 |
| 220 | But ultimately you pulled that yourself forward | 但最终你还是挺过来了 |
| 221 | and that's the thing to focus on. | 这才是重点 |
| 222 | It was your action that brought you forward. | 是你的行动让你向前看的 |
| 223 | So then you learn how to do it when the rung isn't there. | 所以,然后你学会如何做 当跑步不在那里。 |
| 224 | You set a mental rung. | 你设置了一个精神错乱。 |
| 225 | Okay, I'm going to do nothing for five minutes | 好,我五分钟内什么都不做 |
| 226 | because everything I want to do is just destructive. | 因为我想做的一切都是毁灭性的 |
| 227 | I made it five minutes. | 我做了五分钟。 |
| 228 | I'm in the driver's seat at least a little bit. | 我在驾驶座上 至少有点。 |
| 229 | And you just go. | 你还是走吧 |
| 230 | Now, this is especially hard to do | 现在,这特别难做 |
| 231 | between the hours of one and 5 a.m. when you're under slept. | 当你睡着的时候 从凌晨1点到5点 |
| 232 | Very hard to do when you had alcohol in your system. | 当你体内有酒精的时候 很难做到 |
| 233 | Very hard to do when you are going through a breakup | 分手的时候很难做 |
| 234 | or a loss and when you have multiple stressors. | 或损失, 当你有多重压力。 |
| 235 | So that's where the tools of learning | 所以这就是学习的工具 |
| 236 | to turn your mind off. | 让你的头脑关闭。 |
| 237 | Look, yoga in nature, it costs nothing but time. | 你看,瑜伽在自然界, 它不花时间。 |
| 238 | That's where you try it the first time, you can't do it, | 这是你第一次尝试,你不能这样做, |
| 239 | try it again, keep doing it, you get better. | 再试一次,继续做,你会好起来的 |
| 240 | It's a skill like lifting weights or running | 举重或跑步 |
| 241 | or writing or playing an instrument. | 或写作或演奏乐器。 |
| 242 | That divergence of loser mentality, winner mentality, | 失败者的心态 胜利者的心态 |
| 243 | it's not calling people loser. | 它不是叫失败者。 |
| 244 | It's think verbs. | 是思惟动词. |
| 245 | What am I doing that's promoting this loser mentality? | 我在做什么 宣传这种失败的心态? |
| 246 | What am I doing that's promoting winner mentality? | 我在做什么 宣传赢家的心态? |
| 247 | And you got to dig yourself out of that hole | 你要从那个洞里挖出来 |
| 248 | and no one can do it for you. | 没有人能为你做它。 |
| 249 | And help will come when you're headed | 当你出发时,会有人帮忙 |
| 250 | in the right direction. | 在正确的方向。 |
| 251 | And people say, well, when I did that, no one helped me. | 人们说,当我这样做的时候,没人帮我。 |
| 252 | All right, maybe you need to go a little bit further. | 好吧,也许你需要走远一点。 |
| 253 | You know, I do empathize and sympathize with people | 你知道,我确实同情和同情人们 |
| 254 | that feel like they're on their own | 感觉像他们自己 |
| 255 | and there's no one there to help them. | 没有人可以帮助他们。 |
| 256 | But in that case, there's only one way out | 但那样的话,只有一个出路 |
| 257 | and that's out, you know? | 和它出来,你知道吗? |
| 258 | And just acknowledge that the mind is crazy. | 只要承认这个想法是疯狂的。 |
| 259 | It goes crazy places and it wants to drag us down sometimes | 它疯狂的地方,它想 拖我们下来有时 |
| 260 | and you just don't throw more dirt on top of yourself | 你只是不扔 更多的污点在你自己之上 |
| 261 | by like giving into that. | 像是给它。 |
| 262 | I think we're talking about being a dreamer, | 我想我们是在说做梦 |
| 263 | being inspired, but like be a fighter too. | 被启发,但就像一个战士。 |
| 264 | Like learn to be a fighter. | 就像学会当战士一样 |
| 265 | Like learn to fight yourself. | 譬如学人自斗. |
| 266 | When they say like the hardest fight is in your own mind, | 当他们说最艰难的战斗是在你心里时 |
| 267 | absolutely. | 当然 |
| 268 | So start with the basic things. | 所以从基本的东西开始。 |
| 269 | Learn to meditate for 10 breaths. | 修习冥想十气. |
| 270 | Fight the agitation. | 与躁动争斗. |
| 271 | Learn to stay in a cold shower for three minutes. | 学会在寒冷的淋浴中停留三分钟. |
| 272 | Learn to turn off your thoughts with yoga nidra. | 学以瑜伽涅盘解脱智. |
| 273 | That's a lot harder than the other two things. | 这比其他两件事都难 |
| 274 | So this can all be done. | 所以这一切都可以做到。 |
| 275 | I know with certainty it can all be done because I did it. | 我确信一切都可以完成 因为我做到了 |
| 276 | And people say, well, you had certain things available too. | 人们说,嗯,你有 某些东西。 |
| 277 | Listen, they didn't hand me a PhD. | 听着 他们没给我博士学位 |
| 278 | I had to work for it. | 我必须为它工作。 |
| 279 | They didn't hand me a podcast. | 他们没有给我播客。 |
| 280 | I had to work for it. | 我必须为它工作。 |
| 281 | And yeah, my life's been easier, | 是的,我的生活变得更容易了, |
| 282 | way easier than it has been for others | 比别人容易得多 |
| 283 | and way harder than it has been for others. | 比别人更难受 |
| 284 | It's all what you make of it. | 一切如来所造. |
| 285 | Do you think at this time when somebody's feeling | 你觉得此时此刻 有人觉得 |
| 286 | like this absolute shit, they are low, | 像这个绝对的狗屎, 他们是低的, |
| 287 | there's no connection, there are no people, | 没有联系,没有人 |
| 288 | there's no one to hold their hand and get them | 没有人能握住手抓住他们 |
| 289 | out of the shit, right? | 别闹了,对吧? |
| 290 | Do you think what we were talking about earlier, | 你觉得我们刚才说的是什么? |
| 291 | that you should strip away everything, | 让你把所有东西都剥掉 |
| 292 | do you think it's the right time to do it? | 你觉得时机合适吗? |
| 293 | Should people strip away everything when they are- | 如果人们剥离一切 当他们是... |
| 294 | Strip away everything meaning- | 脱去一切意义 |
| 295 | Like you would- | 就像你会... |
| 296 | Just give up control. | 放弃控制吧 |
| 297 | You were saying in the beginning that sometimes | 你一开始说有时 |
| 298 | it's good to just strip away everything, | 最好把所有东西都剥掉 |
| 299 | just have oxygen, just a place to sleep. | 只要有氧气, 只是一个睡觉的地方。 |
| 300 | You were saying something and we started to talk. | 你在说什么 我们开始谈。 |
| 301 | Yeah, break it down to the absolute basics. | 是啊,把它细分为绝对的基本。 |
| 302 | You're here, you're breathing. | 你在这里,你在呼吸。 |
| 303 | Awesome, you're doing better than a lot of people. | 棒极了,你比很多人都厉害 |
| 304 | It's not going to feel that good though. | 感觉不会那么好 |
| 305 | That alone isn't going to be like, | 一个人不会像, |
| 306 | oh great, I'm breathing, okay. | 哦,太好了,我在呼吸,好吗。 |
| 307 | Some people will even think sadly | 有些人甚至会想 |
| 308 | that they wish they weren't. | 他们希望自己不是。 |
| 309 | Okay, well you're here. | 好吧,你在这里。 |
| 310 | So I would advise, and I realize this might sound | 所以,我会建议, 我知道这可能听起来 |
| 311 | a little bit loaded, but I would advise if you are really | 有点大,但如果你真的 |
| 312 | at the bottom of your pit, obviously that you need | 在你的坑底 显然你需要 |
| 313 | to seek help, but ask whatever you believe in. | 寻求帮助,但问 无论你相信什么。 |
| 314 | Okay, I believe in God, but whatever you believe in, | 好吧,我相信上帝,但无论你相信什么, |
| 315 | just acknowledge out loud, alone, or in your head | 只要大声承认, 单独,或在你的头上 |
| 316 | if you don't want anyone to hear you, I'm at my end. | 如果你不希望任何人听到你, 我在我的尽头。 |
| 317 | I can't do this on my own anymore. | 我不能再靠自己一个人了 |
| 318 | Just help me get through the next, just go another hour. | 帮我渡过下一个难关 再过一个小时 |
| 319 | Just help me do that. | 帮我一下 |
| 320 | Just help me. | 帮帮我 |
| 321 | Ask if you want to ask God, do it. | 问欲问神通即行. |
| 322 | If you want to ask the universe, whatever it is, | 如果你想问宇宙 不管它是什么 |
| 323 | and just stop trying to control every aspect in your mind. | 别再试图控制你心里的每个方面了 |
| 324 | Now I just got through saying that you have to pull yourself | 现在,我刚刚得到 通过说,你必须拉自己 |
| 325 | back over to the right response, | 回到正确的反应, |
| 326 | but if you truly can't do that, | 但是如果你真的不能做到这一点, |
| 327 | then it's time to give it over and just acknowledge. | 然后是时候把它交给我 承认一下 |
| 328 | Have a good laugh out loud. | 笑得大声点 |
| 329 | It's hard to be human sometimes. | 人有时难. |
| 330 | It美'. | |
| 331 | It's great, but it can be really hard to be human. | 很棒,但做人可能很难 |
| 332 | It can be really tough. | 这会非常艰难。 |
| 333 | We're a weird species. | 我们是一个奇怪的物种。 |
| 334 | We got this amazing prefrontal cortex | 我们有一个惊人的前额皮层 |
| 335 | and we can do amazing things with it, | 我们能用它做惊人的事情, |
| 336 | but sometimes it loops back on us | 但有时它会回转 |
| 337 | and it's just like it flagellates us and we can't, | 它就像它引燃了我们,我们不能, |
| 338 | and we're like, oh, I can't break out of this. | 我们就像,哦,我不能打破这一点。 |
| 339 | That's when it's time to say, okay, I can't. | 这时候该说,好吧,我不能。 |
| 340 | So I'm going to give this process, | 所以我要给这个过程, |
| 341 | just like help me go another hour. | 就像帮我再去一个小时一样 |
| 342 | And I guarantee you'll get there. | 我保证你会到的 |
| 343 | And I have my thoughts about why that might work. | 我有我的想法 为什么这样做。 |
| 344 | None of them fall within the realm of science, | 都不属于科学范畴 |
| 345 | so it's not really worth me going into | 所以,这不是真的值得我去 |
| 346 | because it's not my expertise, | 因为这不是我的专长 |
| 347 | but I've never seen this fail. | 但我从未见过这种失败 |
| 348 | But once you're back on slightly solid ground, | 但是一旦你回到了稍坚固的地上 |
| 349 | now you got to get to work | 现在你得去工作了 |
| 350 | because the universe only, whatever, God, the universe, | 因为宇宙只有, 无论,上帝,宇宙, |
| 351 | whatever you believe in only rewards effort | 凡你们所信仰的,都是有报酬的; |
| 352 | or the effort to engage in effort. | 或努力参与。 |
| 353 | You don't, we've been gifted life. | 你没有,我们有天赋的生活。 |
| 354 | We can relax, we can enjoy, | 我们可以放松 我们可以享受 |
| 355 | but we don't get to waste it. | 但我们不会浪费它。 |
| 356 | And we really, we were here. | 我们真的,我们在这里。 |
| 357 | I mean, maybe that's what the acknowledging | 我的意思是,也许这就是 承认 |
| 358 | that we're alive and breathing piece is about. | 我们还活着,呼吸的碎片。 |
| 359 | Like, don't take it for granted. | 喜欢,不要把它视为理所当然。 |
| 360 | Like, I do think that we're rewarded | 喜欢,我确实认为我们得到奖励 |
| 361 | for any amount of effort that we put in, any amount, | 我们付出的任何努力,任何数量, |
| 362 | maybe not in getting the thing we thought we were going to get, | 也许不会得到我们以为会得到的东西, |
| 363 | but in the recognition that we can pursue things. | 但承认我们可以继续追查 |
| 364 | So I believe in this very strongly | 所以我坚信这一点 |
| 365 | because I've been at the bottom of that pit | 因为我一直在那个坑底 |
| 366 | and wondering what in the world, | 想知道在世界上发生了什么, |
| 367 | but the good news is if you hit the bottom of that pit | 好消息是如果你撞到那个坑底 |
| 368 | and you get out a few times, | 你出来几次, |
| 369 | the next time you hit it, you go, | 下次你打的时候,你走 |
| 370 | I'll get out the next time. | 我下次再出来 |
| 371 | And then you go, well, this feels a little longer | 然后你去,嗯,这感觉有点长 |
| 372 | than the last time or a lot longer, you will get out. | 比上次或更长的时间, 你会离开。 |
| 373 | You do, people have suffered incredible challenges | 你做,人们经历了不可思议的挑战 |
| 374 | and they got out and created amazing things. | 并创造了惊人的东西。 |
| 375 | And there's this weird law of the universe | 宇宙有条奇怪的法则 |
| 376 | that I don't quite understand. | 我不太明白你说什么 |
| 377 | Maybe it's a dopaminergic thing, | 也许是多巴胺症 |
| 378 | but the depth of that pit oftentimes is the mirror image | 但那个坑的深度往往是镜像 |
| 379 | of the height of the thing that you're going to accomplish. | 你将要完成的任务的高度。 |
| 380 | I don't know how that works, | 我不知道这是怎么回事, |
| 381 | but later you're going to find yourself at a peak | 但后来你会发现自己在一个高峰 |
| 382 | and you should remember and go, yeah, got out, got out, | 你应该记住,并去, 是的,出来,出来, |
| 383 | went back in, went back in, got out. | 回去,回去,出来。 |
| 384 | Now I'm here and I'm going to savor it a little bit more | 现在,我在这里,我要去 保护它一点点 |
| 385 | because that's, I think also us being tested. | 因为那就是,我认为我们也是被考验的。 |
| 386 | Are you going to savor it? | 你要吃吗? |
| 387 | You're going to appreciate it? | 你会感激吗? |
| 388 | You're going to share it? | 你要分享吗? |
| 389 | Because then we can build on it, | 因为那样我们就可以继续发展下去 |
| 390 | but otherwise might not end up in the pit, | 但是如果不这样的话 可能不会死在坑里 |
| 391 | but you kind of drop back down again. | 但你又掉下来了 |
| 392 | But if you take good care, | 但是如果你照顾好 |
| 393 | you can stay at a high level for a long time. | 可以长期保持高水平。 |
| 394 | True. | 没错 |
| 395 | You know, I want to change a gear a little bit | 你知道,我想换个位子 |
| 396 | and just talk about two, three last things. | 说说最后两、三件事 |
| 397 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 398 | Which is, one is, | 也就是说 一个是 |
| 399 | have you ever studied immigrants by any chance? | 你研究过移民吗? |
| 400 | Well, my father is a first generation immigrant | 我父亲是第一代移民 |
| 401 | to the United States. | 致美国 |
| 402 | So I haven't studied them specifically, but you know. | 所以我没有专门研究过,但你知道的。 |
| 403 | Like immigrants consistently seem to outperform | 就像移民总是表现优于 |
| 404 | the, you know, native people in anywhere, | 任何地方的当地人, |
| 405 | any part of the world. | 世界上任何一个地方 |
| 406 | Oh yeah. | 对 |
| 407 | Especially the children of native people. | 特别是当地人的孩子 |
| 408 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 409 | Oh yeah. | 对 |
| 410 | In America, every day we hear about stories of immigrants | 在美国,我们每天都听到 有关移民的故事 |
| 411 | who are just killing it. | 他们只是杀了它。 |
| 412 | Everywhere you look at the top position, | 无论你从哪看都行 |
| 413 | they're just immigrants or the kids of immigrants, right? | 他们只是移民 或移民的孩子,对不对? |
| 414 | Why and how? | 为什么和如何? |
| 415 | Great question. | 问得好 |
| 416 | And I think it's because they look around | 我觉得是因为他们四处看 |
| 417 | and they see opportunity everywhere else. | 他们看到机会 到处。 |
| 418 | Somebody sees neutral or negative. | 有人看到中性或负性。 |
| 419 | I think it's this fighter mentality. | 我觉得是这种斗士心态 |
| 420 | It's a, there's something here | 是,这里有东西 |
| 421 | that people who've been here a long time | 那个在这里呆了很久的人 |
| 422 | don't appreciate or they do, but there's stuff wide open. | 不要欣赏或他们这样做, 但有东西是开着的。 |
| 423 | You know, my high school girlfriend, her father had a, | 你知道,我的高中女友, 她的父亲有一个, |
| 424 | like a, I think he had like a seventh grade education. | 像一个,我想他有 像一个七年级的教育。 |
| 425 | He'd been a taxi driver and a few things. | 他曾经是出租车司机 和一些事情。 |
| 426 | He had worked from a young age because he was very poor. | 他从小就工作,因为他非常贫穷。 |
| 427 | He moved to the Bay area | 他搬到湾区去了 |
| 428 | and he carried hundreds of keys on his key ring | 他带着数百把钥匙在他的钥匙戒指上 |
| 429 | because he early on bought properties | 因为他早点买到房产 |
| 430 | in the South Bay Bay area | 南湾地区 |
| 431 | when no one was interested in these areas. | 当时没有人对这些方面感兴趣。 |
| 432 | And he did all the maintenance himself | 他亲自做了所有维修 |
| 433 | and they did very well for themselves | 他们为自己做得很好 |
| 434 | because then this thing called Silicon Valley happened | 因为那个叫做硅谷的东西发生了 |
| 435 | and then property became very useful. | 然后财产变得非常有用。 |
| 436 | And then next thing you know, his daughters had horses | 接下来,他的女儿们有马 |
| 437 | and you know, all this stuff and, | 你知道,所有这些东西和, |
| 438 | but he was a hard working guy | 但他是个勤奋的人 |
| 439 | and first generation immigrant. | 还有第一代移民 |
| 440 | I think he saw opportunity. | 我认为他看到了机会。 |
| 441 | He was like, I think to his mind, | 他就像,我认为, |
| 442 | why would he pay anyone to do the maintenance? | 他为什么要付钱给别人做维修? |
| 443 | First of all, I don't think he could afford it at first, | 首先 我觉得他一开始买不起 |
| 444 | but he had the skills. | 但他有技术 |
| 445 | Next thing you know, he's the guy owning huge swaths | 接下来,你知道,他是一个家伙 拥有巨大的瓦斯 |
| 446 | of land and property in the South Bay area, | 南部湾地区的土地和财产, |
| 447 | Silicon Valley, which is extremely lucrative, | 硅谷非常有利可图 |
| 448 | but he did it through sheer sweat, sheer sweat. | 但是他却通过汗水和汗水来完成 |
| 449 | So I think there's just this idea, | 所以我觉得有这个想法, |
| 450 | like there's something here | 好像这里有东西 |
| 451 | that there's resources that others aren't taking | 有资源是别人不拿 |
| 452 | because they think it's every day. | 因为他们认为每天都这样 |
| 453 | It's like, what good is that place? | 那地方有什么好处? |
| 454 | What good is this school? | 这学校有什么用? |
| 455 | What is it like? | 感觉如何? |
| 456 | It's around you. | 它在你身边。 |
| 457 | We attenuate to things around us. | 我们被周围的东西所侵蚀 |
| 458 | And I think that, and you also can see | 我想,你也可以看见 |
| 459 | this isn't always true, | 这不是真的 |
| 460 | but many times multi-generational families | 但很多次多代家庭 |
| 461 | where there's a lot of wealth, you know, | 有很多财富的地方,你知道, |
| 462 | you have kids that don't do well | 你有孩子 做不好 |
| 463 | or you get the kids that just, you know, | 或者你得到的孩子 只是,你知道, |
| 464 | too many resources can be tough too. | 太多的资源可能也很困难。 |
| 465 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 466 | It's a tricky balance. | 这是一个棘手的平衡。 |
| 467 | So I think that the immigrant mentality | 所以我认为移民的心态 |
| 468 | is one of seeing opportunity and taking opportunity. | 是看到机会和抓住机会。 |
| 469 | And it's on a backdrop of people | 它的背景是人 |
| 470 | who are not looking at that environment in the same way. | 他们并不以同样的方式看待这种环境。 |
| 471 | They attenuate. | 它们会减弱。 |
| 472 | I mean, this is a weird thing about the human brain | 人类大脑的怪事 |
| 473 | is we habituate to a certain level of caloric intake, | 我们是否习惯于某种程度的热量摄入, |
| 474 | to a certain level of freedom and ease and peace. | 达到某种程度的自由、轻松与和平。 |
| 475 | So this is why self-imposed friction is very valuable, | 这就是为什么自我施加的摩擦是非常有价值的, |
| 476 | especially if you come from a family | 特别是如果你来自一个家庭 |
| 477 | where there is not a lot of hardship. | 在没有太多困难的地方。 |
| 478 | I mean, it's impressive. | 我的意思是,这是令人印象深刻的。 |
| 479 | You've self-imposed hardship through a vision of yourself | 你自以为是,自以为是 |
| 480 | and what you can create for the world. | 以及你能为世界创造的一切 |
| 481 | Many people can't do that. | 很多人不能这么做 |
| 482 | They feel ease, you know? | 他们觉得轻松,你知道吗? |
| 483 | I mean, look, everyone loves a good foot rub | 我的意思是,你看,每个人都喜欢一个好的脚擦 |
| 484 | and a big meal and a great night's sleep and all the rest, | 和一顿大餐, 一个伟大的夜晚的睡眠和所有休息, |
| 485 | but some of the most unhappy people I know | 但有些最不高兴的人我认识 |
| 486 | are people that never strive for anything. | 那些从未为任何事奋斗的人。 |
| 487 | In fact, the most unhappy people I know of my peer group | 事实上,我认识的同龄人中 最不幸福的人 |
| 488 | were the ones whose parents gave them just enough money | 父母给了他们足够的钱 |
| 489 | so that they never really had to push themselves. | 这样他们就不用逼自己了 |
| 490 | And they're the ones with a lot of depression, | 他们就是那些抑郁症发作的人 |
| 491 | a lot of issues of self-worth, a lot of... | 很多问题 自我价值, 很多... |
| 492 | Yeah, you gotta... | 对,你得... |
| 493 | It's good to have your head held underwater | 把你头抬到水下真好 |
| 494 | for a short while so you can appreciate oxygen | 一会儿,你就可以欣赏氧气了 |
| 495 | when you come up, you know? | 当你上来,你知道吗? |
| 496 | So to speak, so to speak. | 所以说,所以说。 |
| 497 | That's a, I'm not being literal there. | 那是,我不是 字面上在那里。 |
| 498 | Yeah, you go. | 对,你去吧 |
| 499 | Do you think that... | 你觉得... |
| 500 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 501 | But do you think that changes your brain from the inside? | 但你觉得这能改变你的大脑吗? |
| 502 | Like, does it wire something, does the neurology | 比如,它有线 神经科 |
| 503 | or like the chemistry inside my brain changes | 或喜欢我的大脑中的化学变化 |
| 504 | if I go through certain hardships in my life? | 如果我经历了我生命中的某些困难? |
| 505 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 506 | Because what's so important for people to understand | 因为什么对人们如此重要 |
| 507 | about the brain is that as much as it learns facts, | 关于大脑,它知道的事实, |
| 508 | it learns algorithms. | 它学习算法。 |
| 509 | It learns friction, I got out of friction. | 它学习摩擦, 我摆脱了摩擦。 |
| 510 | Or in some cases, friction, it crushed me. | 或者在某些情况下,摩擦,它压垮了我。 |
| 511 | So now you need to teach it a new contingency. | 所以,现在你需要教它一个新的应急。 |
| 512 | You need to teach it a new algorithm. | 你需要教它一个新的算法。 |
| 513 | So you need those. | 所以你需要这些 |
| 514 | That's why I said, like, shorten the horizon. | 这就是为什么我说一样,缩短地平线。 |
| 515 | You need some small wins so it can learn, | 你需要一些小赢,这样它就能学会 |
| 516 | oh, that's what a win looks like. | 哦,这就是一个胜利的样子。 |
| 517 | I made it an hour. | 我做了一个小时。 |
| 518 | But people who have, who are dealing with something | 但是,那些有,谁处理的东西 |
| 519 | or thinking like, ah, I can't get out of this mindset. | 我无法摆脱这种心态 |
| 520 | Well, you got out of it long enough to say that sentence. | 好吧,你得到了它 足够长的时间说这句话。 |
| 521 | If you shorten the horizon, then they can do a little longer | 如果你缩短地平线,那么他们可以做多一点 |
| 522 | and a little longer and a little longer. | 再长一点,再长一点 |
| 523 | This is why the cold water thing, the exercise thing, | 这就是为什么冷水的事情,运动的事情, |
| 524 | constructing your days, the way that we're talking about, | 构建你的日子, 我们谈论的方式, |
| 525 | you start doing those things and you realize | 你开始做那些事情 你意识到 |
| 526 | that you are in more control than you think. | 你控制得比你想象的要强 |
| 527 | But some people are very plagued | 但有些人很烦恼 |
| 528 | by a very punishing, destructive inner voice. | 由非常惩罚,破坏性的内在声音。 |
| 529 | And that's a tough one, but you got to learn | 这很困难 但你得学会 |
| 530 | to turn that one off or, you know, the Goggins approach, | 关掉它 或者,你知道,戈金斯接近, |
| 531 | he listens to criticism of himself while he runs. | 他一边听别人批评自己一边跑 |
| 532 | He's learned to channel it into this kind of FU response. | 他学会了把它引向这种FU反应. |
| 533 | You know, I don't want to live there, but- | 你知道,我不想 住在那里,但 - |
| 534 | Me neither. | 我也一样。 |
| 535 | But I've known David a long time, actually. | 但我已经知道 实际上,大卫很长一段时间。 |
| 536 | I met him first time in 2016 before he had a book | 我第一次见到他是在2016年 在他拿到书之前 |
| 537 | or anything else and he was always super driven. | 他总是被超强驱动 |
| 538 | And knowing his story a bit, | 知道他的故事,有点, |
| 539 | I think he had to figure out a way | 我觉得他得想办法 |
| 540 | because the voice in his head was so destructive. | 因为他脑中的声音 是如此的破坏性。 |
| 541 | He had to turn it into a different version of himself, | 他不得不把它变成 不同的版本自己, |
| 542 | acknowledge that it came from the outside | 承认它来自外部 |
| 543 | and create this whole new version of himself. | 然后创造出全新的自我 |
| 544 | He has multiple people in there, all him. | 他里面有好几个人 |
| 545 | He's very, you know, psychologically healthy. | 他非常,你知道, 心理健康。 |
| 546 | I do believe that. | 我相信这一点。 |
| 547 | But he has to do the like, no, no, no | 但他必须做类似,不,不,不 |
| 548 | to these certain voices. | 对于这些特定的声音。 |
| 549 | And like the only voice I'm going to listen to | 就像我要听的唯一声音 |
| 550 | is the one that's going to pull me forward. | 就是那个能把我拉到前面的人 |
| 551 | And that's a battle. | 那是一场战斗 |
| 552 | I don't think any of us would want to live in, | 我觉得我们谁都不想住 |
| 553 | but David is special because of what he's done. | 但大卫很特别 因为他的所作所为 |
| 554 | But what he's trying to tell people, I do believe, | 但他想告诉别人什么 我相信 |
| 555 | is that they can do it too, | 是他们也能做到这一点, |
| 556 | but they have to change their frame. | 但他们必须改变他们的框架。 |
| 557 | They can't expect those voices to turn off. | 他们不能期望这些声音会关闭。 |
| 558 | I think you and I are, I don't know. | 我觉得你和我,我不知道。 |
| 559 | I've never been in your head. | 我从来没有在你的脑海。 |
| 560 | I stay out of people's heads, | 我远离人们的头脑, |
| 561 | but speculating about David. | 但猜测大卫。 |
| 562 | But I don't live with that voice in my head. | 但我的脑子里没有那个声音 |
| 563 | I don't live with universal, you're perfect, | 我不活在普世,你是完美的, |
| 564 | you're loving, all this stuff, you're loved. | 你爱,所有这些东西, 你被爱。 |
| 565 | But I don't live with a punishing voice in my head. | 但我的脑子里没有惩罚的声音 |
| 566 | And that's got to be very hard. | 这肯定很难 |
| 567 | So I want to acknowledge that's got to be hard, | 所以我想承认那一定很难 |
| 568 | but you got to turn the volume down on that one | 但你得把音量小一点 |
| 569 | or crank it up to 10 and fight it the whole way through. | 或把它推到10 并一直打下去。 |
| 570 | But you learn the algorithm of how to do it. | 但你学会了怎样做算法。 |
| 571 | You know, all of these things, | 你知道,所有这些事情, |
| 572 | which we talked about regulation in terms, | 我们谈论的监管, |
| 573 | in particular terms, it's going to get harder | 特别是,它会变得更难 |
| 574 | because of technology. | 因为技术。 |
| 575 | Do you think so? | 是吗? |
| 576 | Like, you know, every technology, | 就像,你知道,每一个技术, |
| 577 | if I have to make it specific, | 如果我得说清楚的话 |
| 578 | like how they made one part of our life more difficult. | 就像他们让我们生活的一部分更加艰难 |
| 579 | Let's say memory became more difficult | 假设记忆变得更加困难 |
| 580 | since we had phones, navigation became difficult | 自从我们有了电话,导航变得很困难 |
| 581 | since we had Google Maps. | 因为我们有谷歌地图。 |
| 582 | And now maybe thinking is going to be difficult | 现在也许思考会很困难 |
| 583 | 因为AI。 | |
| 584 | We trade, yes, I agree that we trade skills for convenience. | 我们交换,是的,我同意,我们为了方便而交换技能。 |
| 585 | You know, we don't cook because we can order DoorDash. | 你知道,我们不做饭,因为我们可以订购门达什。 |
| 586 | Love DoorDash. | 爱门达什. |
| 587 | Like, you know, a few years ago I didn't order food much, | 比如,几年前,我没有订购太多的食物, |
| 588 | but now it's clearly the much more efficient | 但现在显然效率更高了 |
| 589 | and even economical way to go much of the time. | 甚至经济的方式走了很多时间。 |
| 590 | But I know how to cook if I need to. | 但我会做饭的 |
| 591 | With thinking, I think we need to be, | 想想看,我觉得我们必须... |
| 592 | just be careful, right? | 小心点,对吧? |
| 593 | I don't eat junk food DoorDash every day. | 我不吃垃圾食品 门达什每天。 |
| 594 | I also cook some meals, right? | 我也做饭,对吧? |
| 595 | I think like I use ChatGPT to self-test myself on material, | 我觉得就像我用ChatGPT 自我测试自己的材料, |
| 596 | generate a self-test about this. | 生成关于此的自我测试。 |
| 597 | It's a great way to self-test. | 自试妙法. |
| 598 | I think AI is going to really | 我觉得AI会真的 |
| 599 | positively transform the world. | 积极改造世界. |
| 600 | I really do. | 我真的喜欢 |
| 601 | But I'm born and raised in Silicon Valley | 但我出生在硅谷长大 |
| 602 | and I've seen the way that people get | 我见过人们如何得到 |
| 603 | fear of job replacement. | 害怕被替换 |
| 604 | It happens a bit. | 偶尔也会有 |
| 605 | You know, a few years ago it was the learn to code thing. | 你知道,几年前,这是学习 密码的事情。 |
| 606 | And then now you don't really need to know how to code. | 然后现在你不需要知道如何编码。 |
| 607 | I think there's still some value in knowing how to code, | 我觉得知道如何编码还是有价值 |
| 608 | but you get the point. | 但你明白这一点。 |
| 609 | I think all technologies do this. | 我认为所有的技术都这样做。 |
| 610 | They point out our most vulnerable | 他们指出我们最脆弱 |
| 611 | and our most generative sides. | 还有我们最亲切的一面 |
| 612 | And we just have to be very careful. | 我们只需要非常小心。 |
| 613 | I think with the phone, practice putting it into a lock box, | 我想用电话,练习把它放进锁盒里, |
| 614 | or if you don't need a lock box into a drawer | 或者如果你不需要锁盒在抽屉里 |
| 615 | for a few hours and doing some focused work per day | 每天做一些有重点的工作 |
| 616 | and coming back to it, just practice. | 然后回到它,只是练习。 |
| 617 | If you can't do that, you have what's called a problem. | 如果你不能做到这一点, 你有一个所谓的问题。 |
| 618 | Do it and you'll feel better. | 做到这一点,你会感觉更好。 |
| 619 | You might be anxious when you are away from it, | 当你离开的时候你可能会很焦虑 |
| 620 | but learn to ride that out. | 但要学会骑着它出去。 |
| 621 | And I think part of it is that | 我认为其中的一部分是 |
| 622 | humans don't like to be controlled. | 人类不喜欢被控制 |
| 623 | Deep down, we don't like to be controlled. | 内心深处 我们不喜欢被控制 |
| 624 | So if you recognize you're being controlled, | 如果你意识到自己被控制了 |
| 625 | now you stand a chance to fight back. | 现在你有机会反击了 |
| 626 | I mean, humans fighting back | 我的意思是,人类反击 |
| 627 | is the story of human evolution. | 是人类进化的故事 |
| 628 | Humans being too cold and fighting back | 人类太冷了,还击 |
| 629 | against being cold is what allowed them to, you know, | 对抗寒冷是他们允许的,你知道, |
| 630 | fire, electricity, and so forth. | 火,电等. |
| 631 | Being too warm has allowed them to build air conditioning | 暖气过大,所以可以制造空调 |
| 632 | and ice and refrigerators. | 还有冰和冰箱 |
| 633 | So, you know, wanting to get places more quickly to see, | 所以,你知道,想得到的地方 更快地看, |
| 634 | like telephones that, pick any example, | 喜欢电话,随便举个例子, |
| 635 | the friction point is where, | 摩擦点是, |
| 636 | and this is a theme that seems to be coming up | 这个主题似乎即将出现 |
| 637 | again and again today. | 今天一次又一次 |
| 638 | You have to get right up to that friction point. | 你得直达摩擦点 |
| 639 | Oh, you wasted three hours on social media doing nothing? | 哦 你在社交媒体上浪费了3个小时 什么也不做? |
| 640 | I think you can learn on social media | 我想你可以在社交媒体上学习 |
| 641 | and you can be entertained, but three hours? | 你可以娱乐,但三个小时? |
| 642 | Okay, now you really feel bad about yourself. | 好吧,现在你真的觉得 对自己不好。 |
| 643 | That's a friction point. | 这是一个摩擦点。 |
| 644 | Great, set a rule. | 很好,定个规矩 |
| 645 | You got an hour, 20. | 你有一个小时,20。 |
| 646 | I have social media on a separate phone. | 我有一个社交媒体 在单独的电话。 |
| 647 | So I have an older phone, has Instagram and X. | 我有一个老旧的电话,有Instagram和X。 |
| 648 | That phone is either with me, | 那电话是跟我的 |
| 649 | or if it's becoming a problem for me, | 或者如果它成为我的问题, |
| 650 | it goes into a super max prison lock box. | 它进入一个超大 监狱锁盒。 |
| 651 | You can buy one for like 15 bucks, program it in. | 你可以买一个像15美元, 编程它。 |
| 652 | You cannot open it. | 你不能打开它。 |
| 653 | You cannot open it and just leave it in there. | 你不能打开它 把它留在里面 |
| 654 | Like when I go in for a workout, | 就像我去健身的时候 |
| 655 | I know the hardest part is not hopping on my phone | 我知道最难的不是在手机上购物 |
| 656 | during the rest periods. | 休息期间。 |
| 657 | So I lock it in there for two hours. | 所以我把它锁在里面两个小时 |
| 658 | I can't even get it out. | 我甚至不能把它拿出来。 |
| 659 | You just have to, you have to self-enforce. | 你只需要,你必须自强。 |
| 660 | Now the good news for people who are striving | 现在对于奋斗的人们来说,是好消息, |
| 661 | is that now more than ever, | 现在比任何时候都更 |
| 662 | Goggin says this is easier to get ahead. | Goggin说这样比较容易前进. |
| 663 | You read a book, nobody does that. | 你读了一本书,没人会这么做 |
| 664 | You read a book, it's still enriching. | 你读了一本书,它仍然丰富。 |
| 665 | You listen to a book, you listen to a podcast, | 你听书,听播客, |
| 666 | start to finish, you have good relationship | 开始说完,你关系很好 |
| 667 | to your phone and social media. | 你的电话和社交媒体。 |
| 668 | You're like moving into the winner category | 你就像进入赢家类别 |
| 669 | just by virtue of what you're not doing. | 只是因为你没有做什么。 |
| 670 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 671 | It's still hard, but it's never been easier to move ahead. | 虽然仍然很困难,但从来就不容易前进. |
| 672 | Now to me, it doesn't feel good to move ahead | 现在对我来说, 前进的感觉不好 |
| 673 | because others are dropping behind. | 因为其他人在落后 |
| 674 | I'm not that guy, but I'm going to continue to go. | 我不是那个家伙, 但我会继续去。 |
| 675 | And your generation is going to continue to build things. | 你们这代人将继续建造东西。 |
| 676 | I think the opportunities are greater than ever | 我觉得机会比以往都多 |
| 677 | for people to build businesses and lives. | 让人们建立企业和生活。 |
| 678 | I think a lot of it does have to do | 我觉得有很多事情要做 |
| 679 | with not being purely consumer. | 而不是纯粹的消费者。 |
| 680 | And I think the simple question you should ask yourself, | 我想你应该问问自己 |
| 681 | am I a consumer or a creator in this moment? | 我是消费者还是创造者? |
| 682 | Spend some time being a creator every day, | 每天花一些时间做一个创造者, |
| 683 | you're going to be okay. | 你会没事的。 |
| 684 | If you're purely a consumer every day, it's tough. | 如果你每天纯粹是消费者,那就很难了. |
| 685 | I mean, if you put outside your entire life | 我的意思是,如果你把 外面你的整个生活 |
| 686 | to watch World Cup, like I see people | 看着世界杯 就像我看见的人 |
| 687 | getting really excited, but I get it. | 变得非常兴奋, 但我明白了。 |
| 688 | My dad's Argentine, he's not into soccer, | 我爸爸是阿根廷人 他不喜欢足球 |
| 689 | but people love World Cup | 但人们喜欢世界杯 |
| 690 | and they're not that into their jobs sometimes. | 他们有时不会这样 |
| 691 | But if you're going to be purely a consumer, | 但如果你想成为纯粹的消费者 |
| 692 | you're going to end up in a place | 你会落到一个地方 |
| 693 | where you are spent out. | 在那里你被花费。 |
| 694 | So you have to fight some of these internal reflexes | 所以,你必须对抗一些 这些内部反射 |
| 695 | to just be a consumer. | 只是一个消费者。 |
| 696 | Yeah, I used to say this, and I've been saying this, | 是的,我曾经说, 我一直说, |
| 697 | I think six, seven years now, | 我觉得六七年了 |
| 698 | become the producer of the thing that you consume the most. | 成为你消费最多的东西的生产者。 |
| 699 | That's like the easiest way for you | 这对你来说就像最简单的方式 |
| 700 | to start working on something. | 开始做一些事情。 |
| 701 | Yes, yes, I love that. | 是的,是的,我喜欢 |
| 702 | Perfect, yes. | 不错,是的。 |
| 703 | As a scientist, I was like, I love these papers. | 作为一个科学家,我很喜欢这些论文。 |
| 704 | I want to do research in this area. | 我想做这方面的研究。 |
| 705 | I'm going to do science and publish papers in that area. | 我要做科学研究 发表论文 |
| 706 | Podcasts, I love these podcasts. | 播客 我喜欢这些播客 |
| 707 | I love these themes. | 我喜欢这些主题。 |
| 708 | I'm going to do my own version of something like that, | 我要做我自己的版本 类似的东西, |
| 709 | but different and create it. | 但不同,创造它。 |
| 710 | And I'm probably on the second act of my career. | 我大概在职业生涯的第二幕 |
| 711 | I don't know what the third act will be, | 我不知道第三幕会是什么 |
| 712 | but I'm going to do something else. | 但我会做别的事 |
| 713 | It'll be related to what I'm doing. | 将因缘我所行. |
| 714 | I don't know what it is. | 我不知道这是什么。 |
| 715 | I truly have no idea. | 我实在不知道 |
| 716 | Will you get into entrepreneurship, building something? | 你会进入创业, 建设的东西? |
| 717 | Yeah, yeah, I could see myself doing that. | 是啊,是啊,我可以看到自己这样做。 |
| 718 | I don't know, or maybe something really | 我不知道,也许真的 |
| 719 | in the creative arts or something like that, | 在创作艺术或类似的东西, |
| 720 | but I don't have any musical talent. | 但我没有音乐天赋 |
| 721 | I can draw somewhat, but I don't know. | 我可以画画,但我不知道。 |
| 722 | It'll come to me. | 它会来到我身边。 |
| 723 | I've called it in, like something's going to happen. | 我把它叫进来了,好像有事要发生 |
| 724 | We're all naturally here that way, but for the time being. | 我们自然都在这里, 但暂时。 |
| 725 | We're waiting for it. | '等. |
| 726 | Yeah, it'll come. | 是啊,它会来。 |
| 727 | It'll come in time. | 时会来. |
| 728 | You know, you studied brain. | 你知道,你学习大脑。 |
| 729 | You study brain. | 你研究大脑。 |
| 730 | You have almost answers for like everything, right? | 你几乎有答案 像一切,对不对? |
| 731 | You know at least everything about | 你至少知道关于 |
| 732 | what goes on in the brain. | 大脑里发生了什么 |
| 733 | But I was listening to one of your podcasts | 但我听了一个播客 |
| 734 | or one of the clips that I saw | 或者我看到的片段之一 |
| 735 | that you struggled with the romantic relationship, right? | 你和浪漫的关系很纠结,对吧? |
| 736 | I have. | 没错 |
| 737 | Things are good now. | 现在一切都好 |
| 738 | Yeah, now they're good, but you- | 是啊,现在他们很好,但你... |
| 739 | It took some time. | 花了点时间 |
| 740 | So you struggled with it. | 所以,你挣扎与它。 |
| 741 | What's about love that all the information | 爱是什么,所有的信息 |
| 742 | in the world about neuroscience also cannot understand? | 在世界上,关于神经科学 也无法理解? |
| 743 | Oh, so much, my goodness. | 哦,这么多,我的天啊。 |
| 744 | I would say I know, to be fair, I would say I know a lot | 我会说我知道,公平,我会说我知道很多 |
| 745 | because I spent a lot of time studying it | 因为我花了很多时间研究它 |
| 746 | and researching it directly. | 并直接研究它。 |
| 747 | Like there's something fundamentally different | 好像有些东西根本不一样 |
| 748 | from just like learning something in a textbook | 就像在教科书里学东西 |
| 749 | to like actually putting your hands in brains, | 喜欢把你的手放在大脑里, |
| 750 | cutting brains, standing brains, | 切割大脑, 站立的大脑, |
| 751 | recording neurons electrically. | 电子记录神经元。 |
| 752 | And you know, I was spending a lot of time | 你知道,我花了很多时间 |
| 753 | in that landscape. | 在那种风景。 |
| 754 | So I wouldn't, by no stretch, I think I understand | 所以我不会,没有拉伸, 我想我明白 |
| 755 | everything that's known about the brain. | 关于大脑的一切 |
| 756 | I know a lot, I understand a lot of it. | 我知道很多,我理解很多东西。 |
| 757 | And we certainly don't know everything | 我们当然不知道一切 |
| 758 | as a field about the brain. | 作为大脑的一个领域。 |
| 759 | There's still tons to discover. | 还有很多东西要发现 |
| 760 | So just to be clear, I mean, romantic love | 所以说清楚一点 我是说 浪漫的爱 |
| 761 | is one of those things where when I said | 是那种我说 |
| 762 | I've struggled with relationships, | 我和人交往过 |
| 763 | I didn't struggle with the love part. | 我没有与爱情部分挣扎。 |
| 764 | I struggled with the not making always the best choices | 我挣扎着不总是做出最好的选择 |
| 765 | about romantic partners. | 关于浪漫伴侣。 |
| 766 | It's not putting the blame on them just, | 这不是责怪他们 |
| 767 | and being caught up in the feelings | 和被卷入感情 |
| 768 | and then being disappointed and the letdown. | 然后失望和失望。 |
| 769 | And I think that what I've learned is love | 我想我学到的就是爱 |
| 770 | can be a bit of a drug. | 可以有点药物。 |
| 771 | I don't want to take away from it | 我不想夺走它 |
| 772 | because it's also a beautiful feature of life | 因为它也是生命的美丽特征 |
| 773 | that is not drug-like, right? | 这不是毒品,对不对? |
| 774 | And it can be very sustaining. | 它可以非常持久。 |
| 775 | It was odd for me to see that there were certain areas | 我很奇怪看到有些地方 |
| 776 | of my life, like my romantic relationships, | 我的生活,像我的浪漫关系, |
| 777 | where things were not working out in the long run | 从长远来看 事情没有进展 |
| 778 | as well as I had hoped. | 正如我所希望的那样 |
| 779 | And whereas my friendships, my career, | 而我的友谊,我的事业, |
| 780 | my relationship to my biological family, my pets, | 我和我的亲生家庭的关系 我的宠物 |
| 781 | all that just flourishing and flourishing, | 所有只是繁荣和繁荣, |
| 782 | like what's going on? | 像发生了什么事? |
| 783 | And I think for me, the real key, | 我想对我来说,真正的钥匙, |
| 784 | this was just for me, was to just slow down, | 这只是为我, 是只是慢下来, |
| 785 | to really focus on the friendship component first | 真正专注于友谊部分 |
| 786 | and really the time to get to know, | 真正是时候知道, |
| 787 | to really take the time to get to know someone | 真正需要时间去认识一个人 |
| 788 | and to really build the friendship. | 并真正建立友谊。 |
| 789 | Because I would remain friends with people that I had dated | 因为我会和我约会过的人保持朋友关系 |
| 790 | and we were on good terms, but it's different. | 我们关系很好 但情况不同 |
| 791 | I think that for people that feel love in a big way, | 我认为,对于那些 感觉爱的方式很大, |
| 792 | it's so easy. | 很简单 |
| 793 | There's a whole script that comes from that. | 从中得来的是完整的剧本. |
| 794 | Okay, so you do that and then you move in together | 好吧,你这样做,然后你搬进来 |
| 795 | and then you, or maybe you don't. | 然后是你,也许你不知道。 |
| 796 | Do they still do arranged marriages in India? | 他们在印度还做包办婚姻吗? |
| 797 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 798 | Yeah, it's common? | 是啊,这是常见的? |
| 799 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 800 | Is it less common now? | 现在不常见了吗? |
| 801 | It's still very common. | 仍为常. |
| 802 | But the numbers is significantly reducing, | 但人数正在大幅下降, |
| 803 | but still very common. | 但仍然很常见 |
| 804 | And as I understand the outcomes in terms of long-term, | 根据我的理解 长期的结果, |
| 805 | like I won't say prognosis, sounds like a disease, | 就像我不会说预后, 听起来像疾病, |
| 806 | the long-term success is very high, right? | 长期的成功是很高的,对不对? |
| 807 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 808 | So maybe we're just going about it all wrong in the West. | 也许我们是在西方搞错了 |
| 809 | But I found that it's like, | 但我发现这就像, |
| 810 | oh, like I've fallen really in love with people | 就像我爱上了别人 |
| 811 | and I still have wonderful feelings about them. | 我仍然对她们有美好的感情 |
| 812 | And not all of them. | 亦非一切众生. |
| 813 | I've had some challenging relationships | 我有过一些挑战性的关系 |
| 814 | and some better ones, | 和一些更好的, |
| 815 | but I'm on great terms with a lot of my exes | 但我和很多前妻关系很好 |
| 816 | and they're married and in some cases not, | 他们结婚了 在某些情况下没有 |
| 817 | and still think about them and communicate | 继续思考和沟通 |
| 818 | from time to time with tremendous kindness and it's great. | 时不时地带着巨大的善意,这是伟大的。 |
| 819 | I think it's just a matter of slowing things down | 我想这只是一个问题 事情放慢下来 |
| 820 | and building that real deep trust that this could, | 并建立起真正的 深深的信任,这可以, |
| 821 | because you are in some sense trusting this person | 因为你相信这个人 |
| 822 | with your life, right? | 你的生命,对不对? |
| 823 | I mean, it's a little bit of an extreme statement, | 我的意思是,这是一个有点极端的说法, |
| 824 | but there's no other, perhaps besides children, | 但除了孩子,没有别的了 |
| 825 | level of investment like that, | 这样的投资水平, |
| 826 | where this person can really hurt you | 这个人真的可以伤害你 |
| 827 | by virtue of what they say, what they do. | 以所言,所行为义. |
| 828 | And so you're handing them a very powerful, | 所以你给他们一个非常强大的, |
| 829 | I don't want to say a weapon because it sounds so cynical. | 我不想说武器 因为它听起来很愤世嫉俗 |
| 830 | You're giving them a lot of power. | 你给了他们很多权力。 |
| 831 | When have you felt the most powerless in your life? | 你什么时候感觉到你生命中最无助的? |
| 832 | Well, that's a great question. | 嗯,这是一个伟大的问题。 |
| 833 | You ask hard questions, my friend. | 你问了很多问题,我的朋友。 |
| 834 | Three times. | 诵三遍. |
| 835 | The first time was when my parents split | 第一次是我父母分开的时候 |
| 836 | and my whole focus at that time was not on that. | 我当时的注意力不是放在那个上 |
| 837 | It was on wanting to make it in this skateboarding career | 本来是想在滑板生涯中成功 |
| 838 | and I kept getting hurt and I wasn't very good. | 我一直受伤,我表现不好 |
| 839 | This is kind of like the not so secret secret. | 这有点像不是秘密 |
| 840 | I talk a lot about that time | 那个时候我常说 |
| 841 | and I'm always clear to point out. | 我总是很清楚地指出。 |
| 842 | Like I was not going to be one of the guys that turned pro. | 就像我不会成为一个 成为职业。 |
| 843 | I had friends turning pro. | 我交了朋友成为专业的 |
| 844 | I just, I don't know. | 我只是,我不知道。 说吧。 |
| 845 | My body wasn't mature enough yet. | 我的身体还没成熟 |
| 846 | I didn't have the spring and the strength yet. | 我还没有春天和力量 |
| 847 | You really need a lot of that. | 你真的很需要这些 |
| 848 | And I didn't have that then. | 我当时没有 |
| 849 | Later I got stronger, but I moved on to other things. | 后来我更强壮了,但我继续做其他的事。 |
| 850 | I felt really alone. | 我觉得很孤独 |
| 851 | Like what's going to happen with my life? | 就像我的生活会怎样? |
| 852 | Because my home life was like blah. | 因为我的家庭生活就像什么。 |
| 853 | And that was a mess in school. | 学校里一团糟 |
| 854 | And then it just started spiraling. | 然后它开始螺旋上升。 |
| 855 | And that's when things got really bad | 这时事情变得非常糟糕 |
| 856 | and got myself in all sorts of bad situations | 并让自己陷入各种糟糕的境地 |
| 857 | for a long time and then dug myself out. | 被挖出来很久了 |
| 858 | So that was one time. | 所以这是一次。 |
| 859 | The second time was when my graduate advisor died | 第二次是我毕业顾问去世的时候 |
| 860 | because we were so close | 因为我们很亲近 |
| 861 | and my undergraduate advisor had killed himself | 我的本科顾问自杀了 |
| 862 | in a very dramatic way at a particular time | 在一个特殊的时刻 以一种非常戏剧化的方式 |
| 863 | that was really hard. | 这真的很难。 |
| 864 | And when my graduate advisor, when she died, | 当我的研究生顾问去世时 |
| 865 | she was very much like a mother to me, very maternal. | 她就像我的母亲,非常的妈妈。 |
| 866 | I know that sounds a little bit like, well, you were, | 我知道这听起来有点像,嗯,你是, |
| 867 | she was just your graduate advisor, | 她只是你的研究生顾问 |
| 868 | but I really loved and trusted her. | 但我真的爱并信任她。 |
| 869 | I knew her family. | 我认识她的家人 |
| 870 | I know her daughter, one of them is a neuroscientist now. | 我知道她女儿,其中一人现在是神经科学家 |
| 871 | I remember when she was pregnant with her daughters, | 我记得她怀上女儿的时候 |
| 872 | I was friends with her husband. | 我和她丈夫是朋友 |
| 873 | They were like family to me. | 他们就像家人一样 |
| 874 | I remember feeling like, what is this? | 我记得感觉,这是什么? |
| 875 | And then when my third advisor died, | 然后当我的第三个顾问死了, |
| 876 | I thought like, I'm cursed. | 我以为我被诅咒了 |
| 877 | Like, what is this? | 这是什么? |
| 878 | Because in science, | 因为科学上 |
| 879 | your scientific advisors do a lot for you. | 你的科研顾问为你做了很多事情 |
| 880 | They help you a lot, | 他们帮了你很多 |
| 881 | but they're also just pillars of stability | 但他们也是稳定的支柱 |
| 882 | that you can call and talk to. | 你可以打电话和谈。 |
| 883 | So I thought you have this family history, | 所以我以为你有这个家族历史, |
| 884 | biological family history. | 生物家族历史. |
| 885 | And now my academic parents, | 现在我的学术父母, |
| 886 | I'm like an academic orphan, literally. | 我就像一个学术孤儿,字面上。 |
| 887 | But then I realized I can do whatever I want. | 但后来我意识到自己可以做任何我想做的事. |
| 888 | But this time, unlike when I was younger, | 但这次,不像我年轻的时候 |
| 889 | I'm not going to take that I can do whatever I want | 我不会拿 我可以做我想做的 |
| 890 | because my parents are, like back then they weren't dead, | 因为我的父母是, 像当时,他们没有死, |
| 891 | but out of the picture, | 但从画面中, |
| 892 | I'm not going to be self-destructive. | 我不会自毁的 |
| 893 | I'm going to start this podcast thing. | 我要开始播客的事 |
| 894 | And I don't have an advisor to tell me, | 我没有顾问告诉我, |
| 895 | hey, this isn't a good idea. | 嘿,这不是一个好主意。 |
| 896 | I'm the adult now. | 我现在是成年人了 |
| 897 | Unlike when I was 14, I'm like, I'm the adult in my life. | 与14岁时不同,我就像,我是我生命中的成年人. |
| 898 | Now, granted I was in my 40s, | 我四十多岁了 |
| 899 | but I didn't, in science, | 但我没有,在科学方面, |
| 900 | there's this long-term decades long thing | 有这种长期几十年的事情 |
| 901 | where advisors help their underlings. | 顾问帮助他们的手下 |
| 902 | And it's a big thing. | 则事大矣. |
| 903 | So I was like, I don't have anyone. | 所以我想,我没有任何人。 |
| 904 | This is not rebellion, but I'm totally free, totally free. | 这不是叛乱, 但我完全自由,完全自由。 |
| 905 | I'm going to look into my heart. | 即往观心. |
| 906 | What do I want to do? | 我该怎么办? |
| 907 | I'm going to build something that is about science, | 我要造出科学的东西 |
| 908 | but also health and wellness. | 还有健康和健康 |
| 909 | And I got a lot of support, | 我得到了很多的支持, |
| 910 | but a lot of people probably thinking like, | 但很多人可能认为, |
| 911 | what is that thing? | 那是什么东西? |
| 912 | And a lot of people now, | 现在很多人 |
| 913 | some have come around, some haven't. | 有些已经来了,有些还没有。 |
| 914 | Honestly, I don't care. | 老实说 我不在乎 |
| 915 | I just hope they're happy doing what they're doing. | 我只希望他们能做他们做的事 |
| 916 | So that was the second time, | 所以,这是第二次, |
| 917 | and I transmuted that into goodness. | 我把它转换成善良的。 |
| 918 | This was the first time my life got really choppy early on, | 这是我人生中第一次 这么早变得很困难 |
| 919 | really bad. | 真的很严重。 |
| 920 | And then the third time was, | 然后,第三时间是, |
| 921 | I think a few years back, | 我认为几年前, |
| 922 | I had poured my heart and soul into a relationship, | 我把心和灵魂注入了感情 |
| 923 | and it was the wrong relationship, | 而这是错误的关系, |
| 924 | but I really did pour my heart and soul into it. | 但我真的把我的心和灵魂投入其中 |
| 925 | And then when I realized that there were serious issues | 然后当我意识到有严重的问题 |
| 926 | that I just couldn't resolve for them, | 我无法解决他们, |
| 927 | I had to move on and it was a very, | 我不得不继续前进,它是一个非常, |
| 928 | it was a messy, messy thing. | 简直是一团糟 |
| 929 | And I remember thinking, gosh, | 我记得我想,天哪, |
| 930 | like being misunderstood about that is really hard | 就像被误解了一样 这真的很难 |
| 931 | because look, I think they were doing the best they could. | 因为我觉得他们尽力了 |
| 932 | I was doing the best I could with what we had at that time. | 当时我尽力了 |
| 933 | And I think that's the hardest part. | 我认为这是最难的部分。 |
| 934 | Earlier we were talking about public life and criticism. | 之前我们讨论过公共生活和批评。 |
| 935 | I don't mind it either, | 我也无所谓 |
| 936 | but being misunderstood is very challenging. | 被误解是很困难的 |
| 937 | And I had to do some real soul searching, | 我不得不做一些真正的灵魂搜索, |
| 938 | and then I realized that I was having | 然后我意识到,我有一个 |
| 939 | all these challenging thoughts. | 所有这些挑战性的想法。 |
| 940 | But then all around me is this amazing thing. | 但是,我周围都是这个惊人的东西。 |
| 941 | I've got this podcast. | 我有一个播客。 |
| 942 | I've got an amazing podcast team. | 我有一个惊人的播客团队。 |
| 943 | I'm in great relationship with my parents | 我跟父母的关系很好 |
| 944 | who are in their 80s and are healthy. | 他们已经80多岁了 身体健康 |
| 945 | Thank God, my sister who I love, | 谢天谢地 我爱的妹妹 |
| 946 | my niece who I love, my friends. | 我爱的侄女,我的朋友 |
| 947 | I have, you know, a relationship came into my life | 我,你知道,我有一个关系进入我的生活 |
| 948 | and like amazing friends and opportunities. | 喜欢奇妙的朋友和机会 |
| 949 | And all of a sudden I realized, I'm like, | 突然我意识到,我... |
| 950 | I'm sitting in the promised land | 我坐在承诺的土地上 |
| 951 | and I'm thinking about like this thing | 我在想这件事情 |
| 952 | and how it relates to these old things that didn't work out. | 以及它如何联系 这些旧的事物 没有结果。 |
| 953 | And I thought, and I'm just like, that's it. | 我想,我只是喜欢, 就这样。 |
| 954 | It was the time it was, I had to think about certain things, | 那时,我不得不考虑一些事情 |
| 955 | but then it was also time to just like flick it off | 但是现在也该像弹了 |
| 956 | like a piece of lint. | 就像一块薄荷。 |
| 957 | I'm done with all that, let's go. | 我受够了,走吧 |
| 958 | And ever since then, everything's been healthy and great. | 从那时起,一切都是健康的和伟大的。 |
| 959 | And so I do think there's sometimes | 所以我觉得有时 |
| 960 | when it's as easy as that, where you just, | 当事情就这么简单的时候,你只是... |
| 961 | you shut the door, you know, | 你关上门,你知道, |
| 962 | the whole burn the boats mentality. | 整个船的心理都烧了 |
| 963 | Like I'm just not going to allow myself to spiral. | 就像我不允许自己螺旋一样 |
| 964 | So, and I hope that was the last one, | 所以,我希望这是最后一次, |
| 965 | but I'm human, so it'd probably come again. | 但我是人类,所以它可能会再次出现。 |
| 966 | Listen, lately I think a lot. | 听着,最近我想了很多 |
| 967 | I mean, it sounds like you're close with your parents too. | 听起来你和你父母也很亲近 |
| 968 | I, as challenging as it's been in the past, | 我,就像过去一样具有挑战性 |
| 969 | I'm bracing myself for my parents passing, | 我在为父母的去世而自责 |
| 970 | even though hopefully it's a long time from now. | 虽然希望现在还有很长一段时间 |
| 971 | By all accounts, they seem healthy, | 总之,他们看起来很健康 |
| 972 | but it's going to be hard to like not be able to call them. | 但它会很难 喜欢不能叫他们。 |
| 973 | And my mom probably will say, | 我妈妈可能会说, |
| 974 | well, you don't call enough as it is, | 好吧,你打电话不够多, |
| 975 | but I think about her a lot and we do talk. | 但我想她很多,我们确实谈过。 |
| 976 | But that's life and you can't live braced in fear | 但这就是生活,你不能生活在恐惧中 |
| 977 | of what's to come or what could happen. | 未来或可能发生的事情 |
| 978 | Then you're like that person | 那你就跟那个人一样 |
| 979 | that we were trying to talk to earlier. | 我们刚才想和他谈谈 |
| 980 | You just got to protect your heart, | 你只需要保护你的心脏, |
| 981 | but move forward and just, and live life. | 但前进和公正, 生活。 |
| 982 | And I do believe, I do say this and I mean it. | 我相信,我确实说这个,我是认真的。 |
| 983 | If God forbid I were to drop dead | 如果上帝不让我死的话 |
| 984 | walking out of this podcast, like I'm good, I'm good. | 走出这个播客, 就像我很好,我很好。 |
| 985 | I have my, I've done my will, you know, | 我有我的,我已经做了我的意志,你知道, |
| 986 | that was actually a very good exercise for me. | 这对我来说其实是一个非常好的练习。 |
| 987 | It's a kind of strange, right, to think about mortality. | 这是种奇怪的,正确的,思考死亡。 |
| 988 | We don't like to think about it to go, I could die. | 我们不想去,我可能会死 |
| 989 | What would I want to make sure happen for people? | 我该怎么保证会发生这种事? |
| 990 | What do I want to make sure people knew | 我要什么确保人们知道 |
| 991 | about how I felt about them? | 关于我对他们的看法? |
| 992 | This podcast, every podcast I go on | 这个播客,每一个播客我继续 |
| 993 | is an opportunity to learn and to teach. | 是学习和教学的机会。 |
| 994 | Every time I can perhaps help somebody, | 每次我也许都能帮助别人 |
| 995 | like I don't want to die, but I'm okay. | 就像我不想死 但我没事 |
| 996 | I'm okay. | 我没事。 |
| 997 | Every time I hit turbulence, I go, | 每次我碰到暴动,我就走 |
| 998 | I've tried to take myself to the edge, | 我试图把自己带到边缘, |
| 999 | but not off the edge my entire life. | 但不是从我一生的边缘。 |
| 1000 | And it's a great place to live | 这是一个伟大的生活的地方 |
| 1001 | because whether or not I die at 50 or 90 or 110 | 因为不管我是否死于50或90或110 |
| 1002 | or somewhere in there, like I'm good. | 或者好像我很好一样 |
| 1003 | I really am. | 真的,我没事 |
| 1004 | I really have made my peace with it. | 我真的已经得到了我的和平。 |
| 1005 | And so in part, because I get these amazing opportunities | 这部分是因为我得到了这些惊人的机会 |
| 1006 | like to connect to your audience and to you. | 喜欢连接到观众 和你。 |
| 1007 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1008 | We're glad you did this. | 我们很高兴你这样做。 |
| 1009 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1010 | Here's a last one line question that we ask every guest. | 这是最后一个问题,我们问每个客人。 |
| 1011 | Yeah, it's what's the cost of being Andrew Hooberman? | 安德鲁·霍伯曼要花多少钱? |
| 1012 | The cost? | 费用? |
| 1013 | Man, it's all love that it's all upside these days, | 男人,这是所有的爱, 它所有的颠倒这些天, |
| 1014 | which is not to say I don't have difficulties. | 这不是说我没有困难 |
| 1015 | Okay, I'll actually answer your question. | 好吧,我会回答你的问题。 |
| 1016 | I experienced emotions very intensely. | 我经历了非常强烈的情绪。 |
| 1017 | I think I got that from my mother | 我想我从我妈妈那里得到的 |
| 1018 | and I'm also very ambitious. | 我也很雄心勃勃 |
| 1019 | And I have a vision of the world | 我对世界有远见 |
| 1020 | that I want to help contribute to creating. | 我想帮助创造。 |
| 1021 | And holding those two things inside can be challenging | 把这两样东西藏在里面会很困难 |
| 1022 | and sometimes can be downright agony | 有时候会很痛苦 |
| 1023 | because I want to help every single person. | 因为我想帮助每个人 |
| 1024 | I want to drop into every single emotion, but I can't | 我想沉浸在每一个情感中 但我不能 |
| 1025 | because I've got work to do. | 因为我还有工作要做。 |
| 1026 | I've got to keep the bigger picture in mind. | 我得记住大局 |
| 1027 | And the hard work is, thankfully these days | 辛苦的工作是, 感谢这些日子 |
| 1028 | is not about staying out of the deep trenches. | 与远离深沟无关 |
| 1029 | I've moved past that. | 我搬过了那个 |
| 1030 | It's about trying to stay in a mode of action | 就是要保持行动模式 |
| 1031 | and striving, but also peace. | 并努力,但和平。 |
| 1032 | And so for me, that just comes from gratitude, | 对我来说,那只是来自感激, |
| 1033 | a relationship to God and prayer. | 和上帝的关系和祈祷 |
| 1034 | And sometimes it's really hard. | 有时也很难 |
| 1035 | I'm like everybody. | 我和大家一样 |
| 1036 | Sometimes I feel like I'm trying to run fast | 有时候我觉得自己在跑得很快 |
| 1037 | with my shoelaces tied, but I'm going to keep going. | 鞋带绑着 但我要继续走 |
| 1038 | That's all I can do. | 这就是我所能做的。 |
| 1039 | It's all I've ever done. | 所行无尽. |
| 1040 | So the cost is, because you're so ambitious, | 所以代价是,因为你如此雄心勃勃, |
| 1041 | you can't help every loved one around you, | 你无法帮助身边所有爱人 |
| 1042 | even though you feel very intensely about them. | 尽管你对她们很感兴趣 |
| 1043 | Yeah, it's fine. | 没事 |
| 1044 | My girlfriend knows this about me. | 我女朋友知道我这个 |
| 1045 | If someone stops me on the street, for instance, | 如果有人在街上拦着我 |
| 1046 | it's like, oh, I like your podcast. | 我喜欢你的播客 |
| 1047 | I go, what's your name? | 我去,你叫什么名字来着? |
| 1048 | I actually want to know their name. | 我真的想知道他们的名字。 |
| 1049 | What do you do? | 你们是做什么的? |
| 1050 | And they'll ask me a question. | 他们会问我一个问题。 |
| 1051 | I'm not playing a role when I do my podcast. | 我做播客时不扮演角色 |
| 1052 | They just popped a microphone in front of me. | 他们刚刚在我面前打了个麦克风 |
| 1053 | I've always been that way. | 我一直都是这样 |
| 1054 | And yet I can't have the deep dive conversation | 但我不能有深潜的对话 |
| 1055 | with everybody. | 与每个人。 |
| 1056 | So that's why I podcast, | 所以这就是为什么我播客, |
| 1057 | to get out to as many people as possible. | 和尽可能多的人接触。 |
| 1058 | So sometimes the pain is that I can't shake every hand | 所以有时候痛苦的是我无法握手 |
| 1059 | and meet every person, truly. | 和每个人见面,真的。 |
| 1060 | I know it sounds like some sort of PR line, but it's true. | 我知道这听起来像某种公关线 但这是真的 |
| 1061 | I think everybody has a light inside | 我想每个人都有灯光在里面 |
| 1062 | and I can feel that when I meet them. | 我能感觉到,当我遇到他们。 |
| 1063 | I can like feel it. | 我可以感觉到它。 |
| 1064 | I don't think I'm looking for it. | 亦无所求. |
| 1065 | I just shows up. | 我只是出现了。 |
| 1066 | Sometimes it's different or brighter to different contour, | 有时它不同或更亮 不同的轮廓, |
| 1067 | but I can like feel and I want to connect with people. | 但我能感觉到 我想和人联系 |
| 1068 | So as a public person behind a microphone or on a stage, | 所以作为一个公众 在麦克风或舞台上, |
| 1069 | you realize that you're connecting kind of out like this | 你意识到你正在这样连接 |
| 1070 | and it's coming back. | 它又回来了。 |
| 1071 | And I just have to appreciate that. | 我只需要感激这一点。 |
| 1072 | And sometimes that's a bit of work, | 有时候,这有点工作, |
| 1073 | but I feel very, very blessed, | 但我感到非常,非常幸运, |
| 1074 | very, very blessed to have this opportunity. | 非常,非常幸运有这个机会。 |
| 1075 | You're a special individual. | 你是一个特殊的个体。 |
| 1076 | I have to say I get a very good sense of people | 我不得不说,我对人很了解 |
| 1077 | and certain domains of life, I wasn't so good at that, | 和某些生活领域, 我不太擅长这一点, |
| 1078 | but in the professional realm | 但是在专业领域 |
| 1079 | and certainly across the table in podcasting, | 并且以播客示众, |
| 1080 | I'm sure I know you have this skill too. | 我敢肯定,我知道你也有这种技能。 |
| 1081 | You can like feel somebody's genuine heart and their mind. | 你可以感觉到某人的真心和心 |
| 1082 | Clearly you have a very sharp mind and you're very driven, | 显然你的头脑很敏锐 而且你很受驱使 |
| 1083 | but you're not doing this for kicks | 但你这样做不是为了踢球 |
| 1084 | and you're not doing this for money. | 你这样做不是为了钱 |
| 1085 | You're doing this because you love it. | 你这样做是因为你喜欢它。 |
| 1086 | Your heart really comes through in it and your mind | 你的心真的通过它和你的心灵 |
| 1087 | and you're throwing everything you've gotten to it. | 你放弃你得到的一切。 |
| 1088 | I love that, like you're all in | 我喜欢,就像你们都在 |
| 1089 | and you made me feel very comfortable as a guest | 你让我觉得很舒服 作为一个客人 |
| 1090 | in a way that is not easy to do and that I wasn't resisting, | 以一种不容易的方式... ... ...... |
| 1091 | but really want to say thank you. | 但真的想说谢谢你。 |
| 1092 | You've created a wonderful thing | 你创造了一件美妙的事 |
| 1093 | and I feel very lucky to have this opportunity. | 我感到非常幸运 有这个机会。 |
| 1094 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1095 | It means a lot that this is coming out of you. | 这对你很重要 |
| 1096 | Like it means a lot. | 就像它意味着很多。 |
| 1097 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1098 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1099 | I appreciate your time and everything. | 我很感激你的时间和一切 |
| 1100 | Thank you for doing this on a very busy day. | 谢谢你在忙碌的一天做这个 |
| 1101 | Well, right back at you. | 嗯,就在你身边。 |
| 1102 | We are colleagues and hopefully we'll become friends. | 我们是同事 希望我们能成为朋友 |
| 1103 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1104 | Do many more conversations on podcasts and off podcasts. | 在播客和停播客上做更多的对话. |
| 1105 | I'd also someday like to visit India. | 我也希望有一天能访问印度。 |
| 1106 | I'll buy my own ticket there, but I've always been intrigued. | 我会在那里买自己的票 但我一直很感兴趣 |
| 1107 | You tell me when, let me host you. | 你告诉我什么时候, 让我来招待你。 |
| 1108 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1109 | That'd be fun. | 那会很有趣。 |
| 1110 | You're gonna lose your mind. | 你会失去理智的 |
| 1111 | I'm gonna, okay, perfect. | 我会,好吧,完美。 |
| 1112 | You just, you tell me what are your dates. | 告诉我你的约会是什么 |
| 1113 | Let me design everything for you and you'll love it. | 让我为你设计一切 你会喜欢的 |
| 1114 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1115 | Let us do it. | 让我们做到这一点。 |
| 1116 | All right, you're on. | 好了,开始吧 |
| 1117 | Done. | 结束了。 |
| 1118 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1119 | I'm excited. | 我很兴奋 |
| 1120 | We should do it. | 我们应该这样做。 |
| 1121 | Thank you so much for watching this episode till the end. | 非常感谢你们看完这集 |
| 1122 | We would love to know what you liked | 我们想知道你喜欢什么 |
| 1123 | or disliked about this episode | 或者不喜欢这集 |
| 1124 | and which guest you would like to see again on this show | 你还想看哪位嘉宾 |
| 1125 | or which are the new guests that you want to see. | 或者是你想见的新客人 |
| 1126 | Let us know in the comments. | 在评论中告诉我们。 |
| 1127 | Your feedback helps us improve | 你的反馈帮助我们改善 |
| 1128 | and make every episode a little better. | 让每一集都好一些 |
| 1129 | I'll see you the next time. | 次明见. |
| 1130 | Until then, keep figuring out. | 在那之前,继续想 |
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