告别社恐,冥想真的可以重塑性格|科学的工具和刻意练习
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | People think that you were born with your personality | 人们以为你天生就是个性 |
| 0:02 | and you're just stuck with it, | 你只是坚持它, |
| 0:03 | but just because you've always been a certain way | 但只是因为你一直 是一个特定的方式 |
| 0:05 | doesn't mean you have to stay that way. | 这并不意味着你必须保持这种方式。 |
| 0:07 | Olga Hazan. | 奥尔加·哈赞. |
| 0:08 | The author of Me But Better. | "我不过更好"的作者. |
| 0:10 | The science and promise of personality change. | 科学与承诺的人格变化. |
| 0:14 | Can an introvert actually become an extrovert | 一个内向者真的会变成外向者吗? |
| 0:17 | if they want to? | 如果他们想的话? |
| 0:18 | Rather than permanently changing, | 而不是永久改变, |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | People think that you were born with your personality | 人们以为你天生就是个性 |
| 2 | and you're just stuck with it, | 你只是坚持它, |
| 3 | but just because you've always been a certain way | 但只是因为你一直 是一个特定的方式 |
| 4 | doesn't mean you have to stay that way. | 这并不意味着你必须保持这种方式。 |
| 5 | Olga Hazan. | 奥尔加·哈赞. |
| 6 | The author of Me But Better. | "我不过更好"的作者. |
| 7 | The science and promise of personality change. | 科学与承诺的人格变化. |
| 8 | Can an introvert actually become an extrovert | 一个内向者真的会变成外向者吗? |
| 9 | if they want to? | 如果他们想的话? |
| 10 | Rather than permanently changing, | 而不是永久改变, |
| 11 | learn the ability to try on this personality trait. | 学会如何尝试这种个性特征 |
| 12 | Put on extroversion. | 设为外道. |
| 13 | Is there an age at which it's impossible | 是否有一个年龄是不可能 |
| 14 | to change our personality? | 改变我们的个性? |
| 15 | Some people change more after they're 30. | 有些人在30岁后会变的更多. |
| 16 | Different choices that we make | 我们做出不同的选择 |
| 17 | can change us throughout our lives. | 能改变我们一生 |
| 18 | What's the difference between changing our habits | 改变习惯有什么区别? |
| 19 | and changing our personality traits? | 改变我们的个性特征? |
| 20 | So you can actually fake it until you make it. | 这样你就可以假装它,直到你成功。 |
| 21 | Once you do your habits often enough, | 一旦你习惯得够多了 |
| 22 | they will become part of your personality | 他们会成为你人格的一部分 |
| 23 | and it won't feel fake anymore. | 它不会觉得 假了。 |
| 24 | It'll feel like it's part of your identity. | 会觉得这是你身份的一部分 |
| 25 | How does this apply to people who are diagnosed | 这如何适用于确诊者? |
| 26 | with depression or ADHD? | 抑郁症还是ADHD? |
| 27 | Can they also change or is that very different? | 它们会改变还是会改变? |
| 28 | There's actually been this push in psychology | 心理学确实有这种推力 |
| 29 | to identify the personality traits | 以识别人格特征 |
| 30 | that are associated with things like depression and ADHD | 与抑郁症和ADHD有关 |
| 31 | and actually has gone head to head with Lexapro, | 和莱克萨普罗一起走 |
| 32 | the antidepressant, and it works just as well. | 抗抑郁药也一样有效 |
| 33 | The number one health and wellness podcast. | 头号健康 健康播客。 |
| 34 | Jay Shetty. | 杰伊·谢蒂. |
| 35 | He won. | 他赢了 |
| 36 | Olga, I wanted to dive straight in | 奥尔加 我想直接潜进去 |
| 37 | and the first thing I wanted to ask you is, | 我想问你的第一件事是, |
| 38 | if someone listens to this episode, | 如果有人听这集 |
| 39 | if someone reads your book, | 如果有人读你的书, |
| 40 | what are you hoping they can change and shift in their life? | 你希望他们改变和改变生活? |
| 41 | What are you hoping for them? | 你对他们有什么期望? |
| 42 | I hope that they realize that whatever is kind of wrong | 我希望他们知道 不管是什么错 |
| 43 | in their life or not working for them currently, | 在他们生命中,或为他们工作, |
| 44 | that they can change that no matter what age they are | 他们可以改变,无论年龄如何 |
| 45 | or where they live or what kind of job they have. | 或者他们住在哪里 或者他们有什么样的工作。 |
| 46 | If they feel like they don't have enough community support, | 如果他们觉得自己没有足够的社区支持 |
| 47 | they don't have enough friends, | 他们没有足够的朋友, |
| 48 | that they can go out and make those friends. | 他们可以出去交朋友 |
| 49 | If they feel like their progression in their career | 如果他们觉得自己在事业中进步 |
| 50 | is being blocked by an inability to publicly speak | 因无法公开发言而受阻 |
| 51 | or connect with large audiences, | 或与广大观众联系, |
| 52 | that they can learn those skills. | 他们可以学习这些技能。 |
| 53 | If they feel kind of disorganized | 如果他们觉得有些混乱 |
| 54 | or like they can't really get motivated, | 或像他们不能真正得到动机, |
| 55 | that they can learn organizational skills | 他们可以学习组织技能 |
| 56 | and make that happen for themselves. | 并让自己做到这一点。 |
| 57 | So it's really just whatever your goals are | 所以,这是真的 只是无论你的目标 |
| 58 | and that you're able to align your traits | 而且你能够调整你的特质 |
| 59 | and your behaviors with your goals. | 以及你的行为与你的目标。 |
| 60 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 61 | I mean, that sounds like something we all need | 我的意思是,这听起来像的东西 我们都需要 |
| 62 | and applies to each and every one of us. | 并适用于我们每一个人。 |
| 63 | How did you discover this to be a block? | 你怎么发现这是个街区? |
| 64 | Like when did you recognize that this was a block for people | 你什么时候意识到这里是人们的街区 |
| 65 | and what was that block that you were facing | 你面对的那个街区是什么 |
| 66 | and trying to solve? | 并试图解决? |
| 67 | It was really just that I was very unhappy | 我真的很不高兴 |
| 68 | and there was no particular reason for it. | 而且没有特别的理由。 |
| 69 | So it wasn't like, oh, if this just gets resolved, | 所以,它不是像,哦, 如果这得到解决, |
| 70 | I'll be happy again. | 将复欢喜. |
| 71 | I kind of start my book with this anecdote | 我从这个故事开始我的书 |
| 72 | about being in Miami in December, | 关于12月在迈阿密, |
| 73 | a beautiful time to be in Miami. | 在迈阿密的美好时光 |
| 74 | The weather is unimpeachable, | 天气无可挑剔 |
| 75 | cannot be improved upon staying in this great place, | 留在这个伟大的地方是无法改善的, |
| 76 | having a great work-life balance. | 工作与生活保持良好的平衡 |
| 77 | Things with my partner were good. | 和我的搭档相处得很好 |
| 78 | It was before we had our baby, so we weren't tired. | 那是在我们生孩子之前 所以我们不累 |
| 79 | But I just had this day | 但我刚刚有了这一天 |
| 80 | where I had all these like minor frustrations. | 在那里,我得到了所有这些 像小挫折。 |
| 81 | I got a really bad haircut and I got stuck in traffic | 我发型很糟,交通堵塞 |
| 82 | and I got some photos taken of me | 我拍到一些照片 拍到了我的照片 拍到了我的照片 |
| 83 | that I wasn't crazy about. | 我没疯 |
| 84 | I was just like, I hate these photos | 我只是喜欢, 我讨厌这些照片 |
| 85 | and I knew they were gonna be released widely. | 我知道他们会被广泛释放 |
| 86 | I had this like frustrating incident at a grocery store | 我在一家杂货店 遇到这样令人沮丧的事件 |
| 87 | and I get back to our Airbnb where we're staying | 我回到我们住的地方 |
| 88 | and I just kind of have a meltdown | 我只是有点崩溃了 |
| 89 | and I kind of feel just broadly unhappy with everything. | 我对一切都感到很不高兴 |
| 90 | I immediately turned to alcohol, | 我立刻转向酒精 |
| 91 | which is what I would do at the time to manage my emotions. | 我当时会这么做 来控制我的情绪 |
| 92 | And I was just sort of so frustrated. | 我只是有点沮丧。 |
| 93 | And then even like a few minutes later, | 几分钟后 |
| 94 | I kind of thought, hey, why is this all getting to me? | 我想,嘿,为什么这一切 得到我吗? |
| 95 | Like if you look at anything about the situation, | 碞钩狦硂ㄇ薄猵 |
| 96 | I'm in this beautiful setting. | 我在这美丽的环境。 |
| 97 | Nothing is really wrong. | 没什么大不了的 |
| 98 | I didn't get in a car accident | 我没有发生车祸 |
| 99 | or I wasn't even late for anything. | 或者我没迟到 |
| 100 | I didn't get fired from my job. | 我没被开除工作 |
| 101 | My hair, whatever, goes back. | 我的头发,不管什么, 回去。 |
| 102 | I kind of realized that so often, | 我意识到,如此频繁, |
| 103 | minor frustrations would really add up to me | 轻小的挫折感真的会让我觉得 |
| 104 | because of my high level of this trait called neuroticism, | 由于我高度的这个特征 叫做神经病, |
| 105 | which is kind of associated with depression and anxiety. | 和忧郁和焦虑有关 |
| 106 | And so I kind of would get in these negative spirals | 所以我会进入这些负螺旋 |
| 107 | where I would kind of add up these small things, | 在那里,我会有点加 这些小东西, |
| 108 | these small negative events | 这些小的负面事件 |
| 109 | and let them kind of ruin my whole day or my whole week | 让他们毁了我一整天或整个星期 |
| 110 | or start this narrative where my life is so bad. | 或者在我的生活如此糟糕的地方开始叙述 |
| 111 | I can never be happy | 我永远不会快乐 |
| 112 | because these small frustrations happen to me. | 因为这些小挫折感 发生在我身上。 |
| 113 | And I decided to kind of try to change that | 我决定尝试改变 |
| 114 | because you're never gonna have a life | 因为你永远不会有生命 |
| 115 | without small frustrations. | 没有小挫折感。 |
| 116 | Like nothing is ever gonna go perfectly. | 就像什么也不会完美无缺 |
| 117 | So the only way to be happy | 所以只有这样才能快乐 |
| 118 | is to be able to be happy despite that. | 能够快乐,尽管如此。 |
| 119 | How did that link to personality? | 这跟个性有什么关系? |
| 120 | There was some interesting research coming out | 有一些有趣的研究出来了 |
| 121 | that people can actually change their personality traits. | 人们可以改变他们的个性特征 |
| 122 | And when they do change their personality traits, | 当他们改变他们的个性特征时, |
| 123 | they actually become happier, healthier, | 他们实际上变得更快乐,更健康, |
| 124 | whatever it is that that trait is correlated with, | 不管这个特征与什么相关 |
| 125 | it can really kind of increase | 这真的可以增加 |
| 126 | all these positive elements of their lives. | 他们生活中的所有这些积极因素。 |
| 127 | And so we think of personality | 所以我们想到个性 |
| 128 | as something that we're just kind of stuck with. | 我们只是被困住了 |
| 129 | Like I am this kind of person | 就像我是这种人 |
| 130 | and this is what I will always do. | 这就是我会永远做的。 |
| 131 | I'm the kind of person who will always get frustrated | 我是那种总是很沮丧的人 |
| 132 | by small inconveniences, | 以轻微的不便, |
| 133 | but really we have the ability to change | 但我们真的有改变的能力 |
| 134 | the way we respond to situations. | 我们如何应对局势。 |
| 135 | We have the ability to change our behaviors, | 我们有能力改变我们的行为 |
| 136 | even our kind of typical thought patterns. | 甚至我们这种典型的思想模式。 |
| 137 | And really by changing those consistently, | 通过不断改变这些 |
| 138 | we have the ability to change personality. | 我们有能力改变个性 |
| 139 | So that's kind of when I was like, | 所以,这就是那种 当我是这样, |
| 140 | maybe I should try a version of this for myself. | 也许我应该试试这个版本 |
| 141 | What is personality? | 什么是个性? |
| 142 | Like how do you define it? | 你如何定义它? |
| 143 | Because I feel like it gets thrown around | 因为我感觉好像被扔了 |
| 144 | and then it gets mixed with so many different words. | 然后它与 这么多不同的词。 |
| 145 | How do you define it? | 你怎么定义它? |
| 146 | Yeah, a lot of people are like, | 是啊,很多人喜欢, |
| 147 | oh, is it like the kind of jokes you tell | 哦,这是那种笑话 你告诉 |
| 148 | or whether you're kind of loud and boisterous. | 或者你是不是有点吵闹 |
| 149 | Those are all kind of elements of personality. | 这些都是人格的元素 |
| 150 | The way that personality scientists define it | 人格科学家如何定义它 |
| 151 | is the thoughts, feelings and behaviors | 是思想、感情和行为 |
| 152 | that come most naturally to you. | 这是你最自然的。 |
| 153 | So something happens, | 所以发生了一些事情 |
| 154 | someone honks at you at a red light or something. | 有人在红灯下对你鸣喇叭 |
| 155 | Do you flip them off? | 你把它们扔了? |
| 156 | Do you wave at them? | 你向他们挥手吗? |
| 157 | Cause you're really good natured. | 因为你很善良 |
| 158 | Do you meditate to yourself? | 你沉思自己吗? |
| 159 | That kind of shows your personality. | 那种表现你的个性 |
| 160 | And the researcher that I follow the most for this book, | 我最了解这本书的研究员 |
| 161 | Nathan Hudson, who has done a lot of the research | 内森·哈德森,他做了很多研究 |
| 162 | on personality change, | 关于人格改变, |
| 163 | he actually adds another element to that, | 他实际上增加了另一个因素, |
| 164 | which is that personality helps you get what you want. | 这就是个性帮助你得到你想要的 |
| 165 | So personality is how we go about pursuing our goals. | 所以人格是我们如何追求我们的目标。 |
| 166 | Agreeableness, which is another personality trait | 同意,这是另一个人格特征 |
| 167 | can help you make more friends. | 可以帮你交更多的朋友 |
| 168 | It can attract people to you. | 能引众生于汝. |
| 169 | It can kind of make you one of those people | 可以让你成为其中之一 |
| 170 | who has like a huge bridal party at your wedding. | 在你的婚礼上,她喜欢狂欢 |
| 171 | Conscientiousness can help you get up earlier, | 良心可以帮助你早起, |
| 172 | get more done during the day, | 白天多做点 |
| 173 | get promotions at work and things like that, | 升职之类的事 |
| 174 | if that's what you're into. | 如果这就是你喜欢的。 |
| 175 | So kind of on top of being this like reflex and habit, | 有点像反射和习惯 |
| 176 | it's also a way that we pursue what we want out of life. | 这也是我们从生活中追求想要的东西的方法. |
| 177 | Why do you think all of us feel so stuck in who we are | 你为什么认为我们所有人都觉得 被困在自己是谁 |
| 178 | and start to believe things like, | 并开始相信诸如, |
| 179 | I'm just not a funny person. | 我只是不是一个有趣的人。 |
| 180 | I'm just a disorganized person. | 我只是个无组织的人 |
| 181 | I'm just a negative person. | 我只是个消极的人 |
| 182 | Why do we get so stuck? | 为什么我们被卡住了? |
| 183 | I think it's because we've been told for a long time | 我想是因为我们早就被告知了 |
| 184 | that personality is permanent | 个性是永久的 |
| 185 | and that we just are a certain way. | 而我们只是某种方式。 |
| 186 | I think some of this comes from the fact | 我想有些是来自事实 |
| 187 | that personality is partly genetic. | 人格是遗传性的 |
| 188 | So you think that if something is genetic, it's inherited, | 所以,你认为如果东西是遗传的,它是遗传的, |
| 189 | you're gonna be just like your parents. | 你会跟你父母一样 |
| 190 | What are your parents like? | 你父母长什么样? |
| 191 | They're like this and that. | 他们就是这样的 |
| 192 | You're gonna be a combo of that. | 你会是一个组合。 |
| 193 | It doesn't really work that way. | 它真的不工作 这样。 |
| 194 | We do, obviously personality is like everything, | 很明显 性格就像一切 |
| 195 | partly genetic, but that means that it's kind of | 部分遗传,但这意味着它是一种 |
| 196 | a combination of different genes, | 不同基因的结合, |
| 197 | the environment that you're in, | 你所处环境 |
| 198 | and also your own decisions and your own actions | 以及你自己的决定和行为 |
| 199 | and what you choose to do can shape your personality. | 你选择做什么 就能塑造你的个性 |
| 200 | But I think for a long time, | 但我觉得很长一段时间, |
| 201 | the way scientists have talked about it, | 科学家谈论它的方式, |
| 202 | it sort of did feel like a death sentence, | 有点像死刑 |
| 203 | kind of like you're gonna be this way forever. | 就像你会永远这样 |
| 204 | You know, the famous William James quote, | 你知道,著名的威廉・詹姆斯引言, |
| 205 | personality is set like plaster after the age of 30. | 性格设定为30岁后像石膏. |
| 206 | And so, especially after 30, | 所以,特别是30后, |
| 207 | people think that they're stuck being a certain way. | 人们认为他们被困在 某种方式。 |
| 208 | But really the more recent psychological literature | 但实际上最近的心理文献 |
| 209 | has shown that people actually change both naturally, | 已经表明人们实际上 改变两者 自然, |
| 210 | just like without really trying to, | 就像没有真正尝试, |
| 211 | they kind of change over time. | 它们会随着时间而改变 |
| 212 | And people can also change over shorter periods of time | 人们也可以在较短的时间内改变 |
| 213 | by taking concerted effort. | 采取一致努力。 |
| 214 | Do we know how much personality is nature versus nature? | 我们知不知道自然与自然的个性是多少? |
| 215 | It depends on the trait and kind of the person, | 这取决于人的特征和类型, |
| 216 | but it's about 40 to 60% heritable. | 但它大约是40%到60%的草本植物。 |
| 217 | And I wanna caveat that heavily. | 我想提醒你这一点 |
| 218 | So that means it's, let's say, let's call it half, | 因此,这意味着,让我们说,让我们把它一半, |
| 219 | comes from your genes. | 来自于你的基因。 |
| 220 | But if you think about it, | 但是如果你考虑一下 |
| 221 | you're not like your parents' twin, right? | 你不像你父母的双胞胎 对吧? |
| 222 | So your genes, you get genes from them, | 所以,你的基因, 你从他们的基因, |
| 223 | but they kind of get combined in these unexpected ways, | 但他们却以这些出乎意料的方式组合在一起 |
| 224 | and they might manifest in different ways | 他们或许是各行各业的, |
| 225 | depending on the environment that you grew up, | 取决于你成长的环境 |
| 226 | the environment that you live in now, | 你所生活的环境, |
| 227 | what kind of job you have. | 你有什么样的工作。 |
| 228 | And so it's really this gene environment interaction | 所以这是真正的基因环境相互作用 |
| 229 | that creates a lot of unpredictability | 造成许多不可预测性 |
| 230 | in how your personality is gonna manifest. | 你的个性会如何表现 |
| 231 | Just because you know that you have something genetically | 只是因为你知道 你有某种基因 |
| 232 | doesn't mean that you're kind of doomed to be that way | 也不代表你注定会这样 |
| 233 | or that it's definitely going to turn out a certain way. | 或者它肯定会变成某种方式。 |
| 234 | Is there an age from which we can't change our personality? | 是否有一个时代,我们不能改变我们的个性? |
| 235 | You just gave that example of that old quote | 你刚才举了那个老例子 |
| 236 | about the idea of 30 and it's set in plaster. | 关于30的构思 并设置在石膏。 |
| 237 | Is there an age at which it's impossible | 是否有一个年龄是不可能 |
| 238 | to change our personality? | 改变我们的个性? |
| 239 | So there have been studies that show | 所以有研究显示 |
| 240 | that some people change more after they're 30 than before. | 有些人在30岁后变的比以前多 |
| 241 | So most people change a lot during their teen years, | 所以大多数人在十几岁的时候都变了很多 |
| 242 | and especially during their early 20s. | 尤其是在20多岁的时候 |
| 243 | So that's a time of very rapid change. | 因此,这是一个非常迅速变化的时代。 |
| 244 | A lot of people kind of become a version of who they'll be | 很多人会成为他们未来的版本 |
| 245 | for a part of their life during that time. | 在他们生命中的一部分。 |
| 246 | Both in my interviews with people | 都在我的采访中 |
| 247 | and in just the scientific literature, | 在科学文献中 |
| 248 | people kind of change throughout their lives | 人们一生中的变化 |
| 249 | across all the traits. | 跨越所有特质 |
| 250 | Different life events can change us, different social roles, | 不同的生活事件可以改变我们 不同的社会角色 |
| 251 | different goals that we have, | 我们有不同的目标, |
| 252 | and different kind of choices that we make | 以及我们做出的不同选择 |
| 253 | can change us throughout our lives. | 能改变我们一生 |
| 254 | I like how everything you mentioned are things | 我喜欢你提到的一切 |
| 255 | that people want to change for themselves, | 人们想为自己改变, |
| 256 | but not changing for people. | 但不会为人们改变 |
| 257 | Yeah, so that's been a big misconception about this topic | 是啊,所以这是一个很大的误解 关于这个话题 |
| 258 | is people are like, | 人们喜欢, |
| 259 | well, I don't want to change my personality | 我不想改变我的个性 |
| 260 | to please anyone. | 以取悦任何人。 |
| 261 | Don't do that. | 别这样 |
| 262 | Don't change your personality to please anyone. | 不要改变你的个性来取悦任何人. |
| 263 | That's definitely not my message. | 这绝对不是我的信息。 |
| 264 | I think you should change your personality | 我想你应该改变你的个性 |
| 265 | to please yourself and to get what you want out of life, | 取悦自己 得到你想要的生活, |
| 266 | not to please other people. | 不取悦别人。 |
| 267 | So yeah, that's a key distinction. | 所以,这是一个关键区别。 |
| 268 | Yeah, and how do we even go about knowing | 是啊,我们怎么才能知道 |
| 269 | how we have to change our personality? | 我们怎样才能改变人格? |
| 270 | Because I think when you really believe, | 因为我认为当你真正相信, |
| 271 | it's almost like living in a city. | 就像住在一个城市 |
| 272 | So it's like, let's say I was talking to someone yesterday | 这么说吧,我昨天和别人谈过了 |
| 273 | and they said, I have lived in this town for 31 years | 他们说,我在这镇上住了31年 |
| 274 | and I'm about to move to a bigger city | 我要搬到一个更大的城市去 |
| 275 | and I'm scared and nervous. | 我害怕和紧张。 |
| 276 | That's almost what it feels like | 感觉就像 |
| 277 | when you're changing your personality | 当你改变你的个性 |
| 278 | because you're like, I have lived in this body and this mind | 因为你喜欢,我一直 生活在这个身体和这个思想 |
| 279 | and this personality for 31 years. | 31年来的性格 |
| 280 | I don't even know which other city I want to live in. | 我甚至不知道我想住在哪个城市 |
| 281 | I don't even know which other personality I need | 我甚至不知道我还需要哪个人格 |
| 282 | or want. | 要么想要,要么想要,要么想要,要么想要, |
| 283 | How do you even unearth and uncover | 如何揭开和揭开 |
| 284 | how you may want to change your personality | 你想怎样改变你的个性 |
| 285 | and what the right trait is? | 正确的特征是什么? |
| 286 | So there's kind of the dorky scientific way | 所以有种愚蠢的科学方法 |
| 287 | and then there's sort of less scientific, | 然后就有点不太科学了 |
| 288 | like woo-woo ways that might even work better. | 像宇宇的方式,甚至可能工作更好。 |
| 289 | So the scientific way is, | 所以科学的方法是, |
| 290 | there's a big five personality test. | 有五大个性测试. |
| 291 | It'll measure where you fall | 它会测量你掉在哪里 |
| 292 | along the five personality traits. | 5个个性特征 |
| 293 | So it'll tell you, | 它会告诉你 |
| 294 | kind of compared to everyone else on earth, | 和地球上所有的人相比, |
| 295 | you are much less extroverted than other people. | 你比别人更不夸张 |
| 296 | So you're very low on extroversion. | 所以,你非常低 外向论。 |
| 297 | And so you might look at that score and think to yourself, | 这样你就可以看看这个分数 然后自己想 |
| 298 | I'd like to change that. | 我想改变这一点。 |
| 299 | I'd like to be more outgoing. | 我更想离开 |
| 300 | I'd like to make new friends, | 我想交个新朋友 |
| 301 | whatever it is to do with extroversion that you want. | 随其所欲而为外道. |
| 302 | And so then you can go about pursuing that goal. | 这样你就可以继续追求这个目标。 |
| 303 | What I think you could also do is just like, | 我认为你也可以做的是, |
| 304 | think about your values | 想想你的价值观 |
| 305 | and think about what it is you want out of life. | 想想你想从生活中得到什么 |
| 306 | Like a lot of people say | 就像很多人说的 |
| 307 | they don't want to become more extroverted. | 他们不想变得更外向。 |
| 308 | And I kind of think that's fine | 我觉得这很好 |
| 309 | if that's not a value that you have. | 如果你没有这个价值的话 |
| 310 | But I've also talked to a lot of people who are like, | 但我也和很多人谈过 |
| 311 | look, I want to get a job as a manager at work. | 听着,我想找份工作做经理 |
| 312 | I don't want to be rank and file forever. | 我不想永远成为官兵 |
| 313 | I want to grow in my career. | 欲于事业增长. |
| 314 | And that requires a certain amount of extroversion. | 这需要一定的外向。 |
| 315 | Like to lead people, to speak persuasively, | 喜欢带领人们, 说有说服力, |
| 316 | even just to manage people, | 即使只是管理别人, |
| 317 | requires you to have extroversion skills. | 需要你具备外向技能。 |
| 318 | So if you think about that as a value for yourself, | 所以,如果你考虑 作为价值自己, |
| 319 | you could start to consider | 你可以开始考虑 |
| 320 | whether extroversion might be a trait | 外向是否是一个特征 |
| 321 | that you want to work on. | 你想继续工作。 |
| 322 | Another way that I did this personally | 另一种我亲自这么做的方式 |
| 323 | is that I kind of looked at the people in my life | 就是说,我看着人们在我的生活中 |
| 324 | that I was jealous of. | 我嫉妒这个 |
| 325 | So I have a friend who's very good at making friends. | 我有个朋友很擅长交朋友 |
| 326 | Like she just is a huge people person | 就像她是个大人物 |
| 327 | and people love her and are drawn to her. | 人们爱她 被她吸引 |
| 328 | And she could move to a new city and make 10 friends | 她可以搬到一个新城市 交10个朋友 |
| 329 | and be having dinner with them that night. | 晚上和他们一起吃晚饭 |
| 330 | And I was really jealous of that. | 我真的很嫉妒这一点。 |
| 331 | I was like, I kind of want that skill. | и稱и稱璶ê贺 |
| 332 | Like I was actually like texting her, | 就像我其实就像发短信给她, |
| 333 | like, how do you do that? | 喜欢,你怎么做? |
| 334 | And so you could just look at your life | 这样你就能看看你的生活 |
| 335 | that, you know, the people who do things | 那些,你知道, 做事情的人 |
| 336 | that you're kind of like, ooh, that's cool. | 你有点像,哦,这很酷。 |
| 337 | Like, I kind of want to do that. | 喜欢,我有点想这样做。 |
| 338 | Cause that'll tell you the personality traits | 因为那样会告诉你个性 |
| 339 | that matter to you. | 这对你很重要。 |
| 340 | Yeah, I've always talked about | 是啊,我总是说 |
| 341 | how you can transform envy into study. | 如何把嫉妒变成学习 |
| 342 | And that's kind of how I've been my whole life. | 这就是我的一生 |
| 343 | Anytime I've looked at someone and admired them, | 每当我看着某人并欣赏他们 |
| 344 | or liked something that they have, | 或喜欢的东西, |
| 345 | whether it's a trait, a skill, an ability, | 无论是特质,技能,能力, |
| 346 | I'm like, how did you get that? | 我很喜欢,你怎么得到的? |
| 347 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 348 | And it's that idea. | 这是这个想法。 |
| 349 | But it's interesting, I've always been wired that way. | 但有趣的是,我一直被窃听 |
| 350 | So that's always been my natural, | 所以这一直是我的自然, |
| 351 | kind of when you were saying your thoughts | 当你说出你的想法时 |
| 352 | that you naturally had, | 你当然有, |
| 353 | that's kind of how it naturally always been. | 这是自然而然的 |
| 354 | If I find something impressive, | 如果我找到令人印象深刻的东西 |
| 355 | I want to know how to do it and how to build it | 我想知道怎样做和怎样建造 |
| 356 | and how to grow it, | 和如何生长它, |
| 357 | as opposed to feeling like they're special | 而不是觉得他们很特别 |
| 358 | and I can't have that, if that makes sense. | 我不能有,如果这有道理。 |
| 359 | What about those of us who just feel | 我们当中那些感觉 |
| 360 | what people should like me for the way I am? | 人们应该喜欢我吗? |
| 361 | If I can't make friends as being authentically me, | 如果我不能交朋友成为真正的我 |
| 362 | and the word authentic now | 和现在的正字 |
| 363 | has become this big buzzword and trend. | 成为了这个大词和趋势。 |
| 364 | So how does that fit into that idea | 那么,这如何融入这个想法 |
| 365 | of well, people should love to hang out with you | 好吧,人们应该爱 挂出与你 |
| 366 | just the way you are. | 就像你这样 |
| 367 | You shouldn't have to be extrovert like your friend. | 你不应该像你的朋友那样外向 |
| 368 | Are you being inauthentic by changing your personality? | 你改变你的个性是非正经的吗? |
| 369 | I mean, the truth is, | 我的意思是,事实是, |
| 370 | is that no one is ever authentically themselves 100%, right? | 没有人是真正的自己 100%,对不对? |
| 371 | That could be kind of off-putting | 可能有点不切实际 |
| 372 | if you just said everything that came to your mind | 如果你只是说 所有你的想法 |
| 373 | without any kind of filter, | 没有任何过滤器, |
| 374 | or like, I think there was like a movie once | 或像,我想有 像电影曾经 |
| 375 | where it's like someone just said | 就像有人刚才说的 |
| 376 | whatever they were thinking and it like, | 无论他们在想什么,它喜欢, |
| 377 | people were very offended, | 人们非常生气 |
| 378 | because we actually do have a filter | 因为我们确实有过滤器 |
| 379 | between ourselves and other people | 我们和其他人之间 |
| 380 | because we know that people kind of don't want | 因为我们知道人们 不喜欢 |
| 381 | that completely raw spur of the mind thoughts | 彻底激发了思想 |
| 382 | that come to us. | 来到我们身边。 |
| 383 | So that's one thing is that one, | 也就是说, |
| 384 | you're probably already filtering yourself | 你可能已经过滤自己了 |
| 385 | at least a little bit. | 至少一点点。 |
| 386 | Maybe you're doing it in a kind way | 也许你是在做一个善良的方式 |
| 387 | where if a friend is in a bad relationship, | 如果朋友关系不好 |
| 388 | you don't necessarily wanna be like, | 你不一定想成为这样, |
| 389 | yeah, keep dating that guy, | 是啊,继续约会那家伙, |
| 390 | but you might say like, hey, | 但你可能会说,嘿, |
| 391 | have you thought about what you're getting out of this? | 你有没有想过你会得到什么? |
| 392 | But you might not just launch into a rant | 但你可能不会只是发射到一个怒吼 |
| 393 | about how that person sucks, right? | 关于他有多烂,对不对? |
| 394 | You find ways of saying things that appeal to people. | 你找到方法 说的东西 吸引人。 |
| 395 | The other thing is that like, | 另一件事是,喜欢, |
| 396 | how do you know what your authentic self is? | 你怎么知道你真正的自我是怎样的? |
| 397 | How do you know? | 你怎么会知道? |
| 398 | Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying is like, | 是啊,好吧,这就是我的意思是, |
| 399 | I don't know that we have necessarily a genuine, | 我不知道,我们有 一个必然的真实, |
| 400 | consistent, authentic self | 一致、真实的自我 |
| 401 | that we need to preserve at all costs. | 我们必须不惜一切代价保持下去。 |
| 402 | I think that a lot of times our emotions | 我觉得很多时候我们的情绪 |
| 403 | are kind of fleeting. | 这是一种短暂的。 |
| 404 | And if you say something one day, | 如果你有一天说些什么 |
| 405 | you might not say it again the same way the next day, | 你可能不会在第二天那样说 |
| 406 | or if you feel something about something one day, | 或者,如果你觉得某天的东西, |
| 407 | you might not feel that same way the next week. | 下周你可能感觉不一样 |
| 408 | So, which one of those is authentic? | 那么,哪一个是真实的? |
| 409 | Are you exactly the same as you were in college? | 你和大学时一样吗? |
| 410 | If not, are you faking it? | 如果不是,你在装吗? |
| 411 | Like, you know what I mean? | 喜欢,你知道我的意思吗? |
| 412 | We all kind of change and shift over time | 我们都随时间而变化和转变 |
| 413 | and depending on the situation. | 视情况而定 |
| 414 | I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with that. | 我未必觉得这有什么不对劲 |
| 415 | I think that's called growth. | 我想这就是所谓的成长。 |
| 416 | Yeah, it's weird how we're fascinated by this addiction | 是啊,这很奇怪 我们怎么迷上了这个瘾 |
| 417 | to authenticity right now. | 真实的现在。 |
| 418 | When I agree with you, | 我同意你的话 |
| 419 | I think authenticity is you showing up in different ways | 我认为你真实性不同 |
| 420 | at different time with different people | 在不同的时间 与不同的人 |
| 421 | because you can't possibly be the same person with everyone | 因为你不可能和大家是同一个人 |
| 422 | and you're not going to expose your full self | 你不会暴露你的全部自我 |
| 423 | to everyone at all times. | 随时向所有人致敬 |
| 424 | It's just not a natural thing to do. | 岂非自然之事. |
| 425 | But it's weird that we have this guise | 但奇怪的是,我们有这种伪装 |
| 426 | of authenticity that seems to be clouding our ability | 真实性似乎在模糊我们的能力 |
| 427 | to grow when actually probably the most authentic thing | 长大的时候,也许最真实的东西 |
| 428 | we can do as humans is to grow. | 我们可以像人类一样成长 |
| 429 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 430 | And to choose to change. | 和选择改变。 |
| 431 | Yeah, and I don't know, I just think that- | 是啊,我不知道,我只是觉得... |
| 432 | That's what survival is, right? | 这就是生存,对不对? |
| 433 | Yeah, no one is going to call you out for, | 是啊,没有人会叫你出来, |
| 434 | I don't know, trying new things or trying new skills | 我不知道,尝试新事物 或者尝试新技能 |
| 435 | or trying new traits. | 或尝试新的特质。 |
| 436 | I think that that can also be a part of authenticity. | 我认为这也是真实性的一部分。 |
| 437 | Anything that you do for the first time | 你第一次做的任何事 |
| 438 | is gonna feel a little inauthentic. | 感觉有点不真实 |
| 439 | That's the interesting part, | 这是有趣的部分, |
| 440 | is that we had Vin Jiang on recently | 我们最近有文江 |
| 441 | who's a communication expert and public speaking expert. | 他是一个交流专家 和公开演讲专家。 |
| 442 | And he was saying that we change how we dress | 他说我们改变我们的服装 |
| 443 | and we don't think that's inauthentic, | 而且我们不认为那是不正确的, |
| 444 | but then we don't change the way we speak. | 但我们不会改变我们说话的方式 |
| 445 | He was saying that our communication style | 他说我们的交流风格 |
| 446 | remains exactly the same our whole life. | 我们的一生都一样 |
| 447 | So if we're monotonous and boring | 所以,如果我们单调和无聊 |
| 448 | and we just think that's who we are, | 而我们只是认为 我们是谁, |
| 449 | but the reality is that we are changing | 但现实是我们在改变 |
| 450 | other parts of ourself. | 我们自己的其他部分。 |
| 451 | And you're right, when you try a new hairstyle, | 你说得对 当你尝试一种新的发型时 |
| 452 | it feels a little uncomfortable for the first week. | 第一个星期感觉有点不舒服 |
| 453 | When you try a new pair of shoes or a new fit of clothing, | 当你尝试一双新鞋或新衣服, |
| 454 | it feels a bit uncomfortable and that's not inauthentic. | 感觉有点不舒服 而且这并非不真实 |
| 455 | It's you trying to change your style or what fits you. | 是你试图改变你的风格 或者什么适合你。 |
| 456 | And we can do the same with our personality. | 我们的个性也一样 |
| 457 | What are the gender effects on personality? | 性别对人格有何影响? |
| 458 | Women tend to be more conscientious in some ways, | 在某些方面,妇女往往更加自觉, |
| 459 | more agreeable and also much more neurotic. | 更令人欣慰 也更神经质 |
| 460 | Neuroticism is like highly associated with being female. | 神经病就像与女性高度相关 |
| 461 | If someone wants to be more extroverted, | 如果有人想更夸张 |
| 462 | what do they do every day? | 他们每天做什么? |
| 463 | What do they need to change? | 他们需要改变什么? |
| 464 | All you have to do is talk to people. | 你只需要和别人说话 |
| 465 | When you don't want to? | 你不愿意的时候? |
| 466 | Yes. | 对 |
| 467 | How does this work apply to people in relationships | 这项工作如何适用于关系中的人? |
| 468 | where they want their partner to change | 他们希望伴侣改变 |
| 469 | and you'll hear someone go, I just see their potential. | 你会听到有人走了,我只看到他们的潜力。 |
| 470 | I know who they could be. | 我知道他们是谁 |
| 471 | They could really get it together, | 他们真的可以凑合起来的 |
| 472 | but they don't see it in themselves. | 但他们自己看不到 |
| 473 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 474 | If someone's thinking that way, | 如果有人这样想 |
| 475 | how would you encourage them to think about change? | 你会如何鼓励他们考虑改变? |
| 476 | I really wish I had written a chapter of this book | 我真希望我写了这本书的一章 |
| 477 | called How to Change Your Partner | 如何改变你的搭档 |
| 478 | because every single interviewer has asked me that question | 因为每个采访者都问我这个问题 |
| 479 | and I don't really have a good answer | 我也没有一个好答案 |
| 480 | because we haven't really studied | 因为我们没有真正学习 |
| 481 | how to change other people. | 如何改变别人。 |
| 482 | What's the difference between changing our habits | 改变习惯有什么区别? |
| 483 | and changing our personality traits? | 改变我们的个性特征? |
| 484 | How do they connect or do they? | 它们是怎样联系还是怎样联系的? |
| 485 | This is a huge debate within psychology. | 这是心理学中一个巨大的争论。 |
| 486 | I will try to give the not super nerdy version of it. | 我会尝试给它 并非超级书呆子版本。 |
| 487 | So some psychologists think that habits | 所以,一些心理学家认为习惯 |
| 488 | basically become personality traits after a period of time. | 基本成为个性特征 经过一段时间。 |
| 489 | So if it's your habit to do something | 所以,如果这是你的习惯 做一些事情 |
| 490 | and you do it consistently for years, | 你总是这样做, |
| 491 | okay, you're now, this is your personality. | 好吧,你现在,这是你的个性。 |
| 492 | Some psychologists think that there's also an element | 一些心理学家认为,还有一个因素 |
| 493 | of like thought behind that where if you do something | 就像你背后的想法 如果你做点什么 |
| 494 | and you really like to do it, | 你真的喜欢这样做, |
| 495 | you kind of start to incorporate it into your personality. | 你开始把它融入你的人格。 |
| 496 | You start to kind of make it part of your identity. | 你开始把它变成你身份的一部分了 |
| 497 | This is like people who become runners | 这就像人们成为跑者 |
| 498 | and then they like kind of identify as runners | 然后他们喜欢那种身份 跑者 |
| 499 | and they're like, as a runner, | 他们就像,作为一个跑者, |
| 500 | and they're like running marathons. | 他们就像跑马拉松。 |
| 501 | That's sort of like more part of their personality | 这有点像他们的个性的一部分 |
| 502 | is like exercising a ton and being really, | 就像是锻炼了一吨 并且真的, |
| 503 | we would say conscientious about running | 我们要说自觉地跑 |
| 504 | more so than someone who just like kind of mindlessly | 比那些喜欢无意识的人还重要 |
| 505 | takes a jog every day | 每天都要慢跑 慢跑 慢跑 |
| 506 | and they don't really think too much about it. | 他们不怎么想 |
| 507 | It's a gray area between those two poles. | 这两根杆之间的灰色区域. |
| 508 | Like I didn't used to be very conscientious, | 就像我以前不太认真一样 |
| 509 | but I am now and I can't tell you exactly | 但我现在不能告诉你 |
| 510 | when the switch happened from me just making a ton | 当开关发生的时候,我只做了一吨 |
| 511 | of to-do lists and like leaving early for everything | 包含待办事宜列表, 并喜欢提前离开所有事宜 |
| 512 | and like being like, remember this, remember this, | 就像,记住这个,记住这个, |
| 513 | to like now me just doing it naturally. | 喜欢现在,我只是做它自然。 |
| 514 | To me, it makes sense that our habits somewhat lean | 对我来说,我们习惯有点倾向是有道理的 |
| 515 | into our personality because a repetitive action | 进入我们的人格 因为重复的行动 |
| 516 | or a consistent action feels like it becomes normality | 或一贯的动作 感觉它变得正常 |
| 517 | and then once it becomes normality. | 然后一旦它变得正常。 |
| 518 | But I appreciate the distinction between, | 但是,我很感激 区别, |
| 519 | for example, a habit I have is to brush my teeth | 例如,我有一个习惯是刷牙 |
| 520 | twice a day, but I don't identify as a brush of teeth. | 每天两次 但我不认为是牙刷 |
| 521 | It's something I do, but it's not an identity. | 这是我做的事情,但它不是一个身份。 |
| 522 | So I noticed that nuance, | 所以我注意到这个细微的, |
| 523 | whereas I play pickleball three to four times a week | 我每周三到四次打泡菜球 |
| 524 | and I consider myself to be a pickler. | 而我认为自己是个扒手 |
| 525 | That idea is there's an identity associated with that. | 这个想法是有一个身份 与此相关。 |
| 526 | And I guess that's what you're saying is the difference | 我猜这就是你说的区别 |
| 527 | between personality and habit. | 在人格和习惯之间 |
| 528 | Yeah, you incorporate it into yourself a little bit more. | 是啊,你把它融入自己 一点点。 |
| 529 | I have one example, which is public speaking | 我有一个例子,那就是公开演讲 |
| 530 | as part of my job, like speaking at events, | 作为我工作的一部分 就像在事件上说话 |
| 531 | moderating events, doing stuff like this. | 调节事件, 做这样的事情。 |
| 532 | And when I first started many years ago, | 当我开始很多年前, |
| 533 | I was not good at it. | 我不擅长它。 |
| 534 | I was kind of painfully just like really shy. | 我有点痛苦 就像真的害羞。 |
| 535 | It made me really uncomfortable to do things like this. | 做这种事让我很不舒服 |
| 536 | And I kind of just brute forced, | 我有点野蛮强迫, |
| 537 | kind of tried to get better at it. | 那种尝试得到更好的。 |
| 538 | And I worked super hard and it did become a habit. | 我非常努力地工作,这确实成为一种习惯。 |
| 539 | I did, I had to do a ton of these events | 我做了,我不得不做很多这样的事 |
| 540 | and like we were always having them, | 就像我们总是有他们, |
| 541 | especially before COVID. | 特别是在COVID之前。 |
| 542 | And I kind of felt like eventually | 我有一种感觉 像最终 |
| 543 | I now really don't think about it. | 我现在真的不考虑它。 |
| 544 | Like I kind of, like if an event is coming up | 就像我,如果一个事件即将到来 |
| 545 | and I have to moderate something, | 我不得不温和一些东西, |
| 546 | I'm like, oh, okay, what time do I need to be there? | 我像,哦,好吧, 我需要什么时候在那里? |
| 547 | It's not even a process of like psyching myself up | 这甚至不是一个过程 像迷惑我自己 |
| 548 | or oh gosh, I'm so nervous. | 或者我太紧张了 |
| 549 | Even my physiological responses are not the same. | 甚至我的生理反应也不一样 |
| 550 | Like I don't get like sweaty palms and kind of jittery | 就像我不喜欢发汗的手掌和烦躁 |
| 551 | and stuff like that. | 和类似的东西。 |
| 552 | So I don't know, like is being extroverted in that way, | 所以,我不知道,像是 被外推的方式, |
| 553 | I guess it's part of my personality now | 我猜这是我个性的一部分了 |
| 554 | because I kind of reflexively do it. | 因为我有点反射。 |
| 555 | But in that intervening time, | 但在那个时候 |
| 556 | it was definitely like, I'm not extroverted. | 这绝对是像,我没有被排斥。 |
| 557 | I'm trying really hard to be | 我努力地尝试成为 |
| 558 | and I'm building this habit so that I can be. | 我建立这种习惯是为了让我可以。 |
| 559 | Yeah, my experience is exactly the same. | 是啊,我的经验完全一样。 |
| 560 | I was so shy growing up as a kid. | 我小时候很害羞 |
| 561 | My parents forced me to go to public speaking drama school | 我父母逼我上公立戏剧学校 |
| 562 | from age 11 to 18. | 从11岁到18岁 |
| 563 | And I took exams in public speaking. | 我在公开演讲时参加了考试 |
| 564 | I was trained nine hours a week for seven years, | 我每周九小时训练七年 |
| 565 | eight years of my life. | 我生命的八岁 |
| 566 | And it transformed my ability | 它改变了我的能力 |
| 567 | to stand up in front of a room. | 站在一个房间前。 |
| 568 | I've now been public speaking since I was 11. | 我从11岁就开始公开演讲了 |
| 569 | I'm 37 now, so it's what, 26 years of experience. | 我现在37岁了 所以26年的经验 |
| 570 | So you could ask me to give a talk on any subject | 所以,你可以让我 谈任何话题 |
| 571 | in three minutes and I'd feel comfortable. | 三分钟后,我会觉得舒服。 |
| 572 | Granted, the subject would have to be something I'm aware of, | 允许的话,这个话题必须是我知道的 |
| 573 | not something out of my expertise, | 不是我专业的 |
| 574 | but it would feel comfortable and easy and I'd feel calm. | 但它会感到舒适和轻松 而我会感到冷静。 |
| 575 | If you asked me to do that when I was 11, | 如果你让我在11岁的时候这么做 |
| 576 | that would not be the case. | 情况并非如此。 |
| 577 | And if you asked me to do that at 21, | 如果你要求我在21岁的时候这么做 |
| 578 | I would have had the skills, | 我本该有这种技能的 |
| 579 | but I wouldn't have had the passion to talk about things. | 但我不会有激情 谈论的事情。 |
| 580 | And so I had to find what I was passionate about. | 所以我不得不找到我对什么充满激情。 |
| 581 | But I fully believe that people aren't just born with skills, | 但我完全相信 人不只是天生有技能 |
| 582 | that we notice them. | 我们注意到他们。 |
| 583 | And I think we've created this myth in society | 我认为我们创造了这个社会神话 |
| 584 | where people are just magical or special or gifted. | 在那里,人们只是魔法或特殊或天赋。 |
| 585 | And that actually does two things. | 这实际上有两件事。 |
| 586 | The first is it limits us from becoming those people | 第一,它限制了我们成为这些人 |
| 587 | or achieving those things. | 或达到这些目的。 |
| 588 | And the second thing is it actually discredits those people | 第二件事是,它实际上诋毁了这些人 |
| 589 | for the amount of work they're putting. | 他们的工作量。 |
| 590 | So when you look at the greatest athletes in the world, | 所以当你看着世界上最伟大的运动员, |
| 591 | I had the fortune of interviewing Kobe Bryant | 我有幸采访了神户布莱恩特 |
| 592 | a few months before he passed. | 几个月前就去世了 |
| 593 | He was in the gym for twice as long as everyone else. | 他在健身房的时间是其他人的两倍 |
| 594 | That's what he said in his words. | 其语中如是言. |
| 595 | So you could argue he was gifted and special | 所以你可以说他很有天赋,很特别 |
| 596 | and all those things, and I'm not saying he wasn't, | 和所有这些事情, 我没有说他不是, |
| 597 | but he would say it was because he was in the gym | 但他会说是因为他在健身房 |
| 598 | for twice as long as everyone else. | 比其他人长一倍 |
| 599 | He was getting a four hour shift in the gym | 他在健身房里换了四个小时的班 |
| 600 | before anyone woke up. | 在别人醒来之前 |
| 601 | And that was the difference maker in his mind. | 这就是他心中的差别。 |
| 602 | When you look at Cristiano Ronaldo, | 当你看着克里斯蒂亚诺·罗纳尔多 |
| 603 | who's the biggest soccer player in the world, | 他是世界上最大的足球运动员, |
| 604 | it's the same, anyone who's been in his vicinity will say, | 这是相同的,任何人 谁曾经在他的附近会说, |
| 605 | well, he has a chef that's dialed in for his health | 嗯,他有一个厨师 拨号为他的健康 |
| 606 | and he has the best recovery program | 他有最好的康复计划 |
| 607 | and he has the best fitness and wellness expert. | 他有一个最好的健身专家。 |
| 608 | When you look at it through his head, it's all work. | 当你从他头上看时,一切都是可行的. |
| 609 | Whereas when you look at it from the outside, | 当你从外面看的时候, |
| 610 | you think it's magic and gifted, right? | 你认为这是魔法和天赋,对不对? |
| 611 | And so I think we discredit that person's work ethic | 所以我觉得我们抹黑这个人的工作道德 |
| 612 | by saying it's magic and special | 说这是魔法和特别的 |
| 613 | and we actually steal the opportunity from ourselves | 而我们却从自己身上偷机会 |
| 614 | from saying I can't do that because I wasn't born with that. | 因为我不是天生的 |
| 615 | And so I hope everyone who's listening is | 所以我希望所有倾听的人 |
| 616 | having that recognition to say you can do it | 有这种认识 说你可以做到这一点 |
| 617 | and anyone that you admire is just put in the work, | 你所敬佩的任何人 都只是被安置在工作, |
| 618 | whether it's public speaking like yourself | 无论是公开发言 像你一样 |
| 619 | or whether it's playing four hours of basketball | 或者它是不是在打四个小时的篮球 |
| 620 | more than the average person. | 超过一般人。 |
| 621 | Yeah, and that's a great example. | 是啊,这是一个很好的例子。 |
| 622 | And that is the same with personality change. | 性格变化也是一样。 |
| 623 | Anyone who has a skill or a trait that you admire | 任何有你欣赏的技巧或特质的人 |
| 624 | has probably put a lot of effort into that. | 可能为此付出了很多努力。 |
| 625 | How long does it take then to change a personality trait? | 那么改变个性特征需要多长时间? |
| 626 | That's a good question and it really depends on the trait. | 这是一个很好的问题 它真的取决于特征。 |
| 627 | So I found with extraversion, | 所以我发现外传, |
| 628 | extraversion was one of the traits that I wanted to increase. | 外传是我想增加的特征之一。 |
| 629 | I kind of felt socially isolated | 我有点觉得社会孤立 |
| 630 | and like I didn't just really know a lot of people | 就像我并不只认识很多人 |
| 631 | in my community and also just, especially after COVID, | 在我的社区, 和刚刚,特别是COVID, |
| 632 | I was like, I kind of just don't talk to anyone. | 我只是不跟任何人说话 |
| 633 | I'm in my house all the time | 我总是在我家 |
| 634 | and even though it was safe to do so. | 和即使它是安全的这样做。 |
| 635 | So for that one, I noticed the changes really quickly. | 因此,对于这个,我注意到 变化非常迅速。 |
| 636 | Like I found that I went from a preference | 就像我发现 我从一个偏好 |
| 637 | 待在我沙发上看Netflix | |
| 638 | to a preference to get out there and talk to people, | 更喜欢到那里去和人们交谈, |
| 639 | meet up with people, | 和人们见面, |
| 640 | even if it's just in a surface level way. | 即使只是表面水平 |
| 641 | I found that change happened after like a couple of months, | 我发现几个月后发生了改变 |
| 642 | like maybe a month or two. | 像也许一两个月。 |
| 643 | With something more performative, | 有了更能表现的东西 |
| 644 | like I did improv classes as well, | 就像我也上即兴表演课一样 |
| 645 | that took several months for me to truly get comfortable | 我花了几个月才真正安心 |
| 646 | just because I'm not, as I said, a natural performer | 只是因为我不是,就像我说的, 一个自然的表演者 |
| 647 | and that gave me a lot of anxiety. | 这让我很焦虑 |
| 648 | So that one took a little bit longer. | 所以那一个花了一点点时间。 |
| 649 | With something like neuroticism, | 神经病 |
| 650 | which is depression and anxiety, | 那是忧郁和忧愁, |
| 651 | it's something that can be really rooted in yourself. | 这是真正植根于你自己的东西。 |
| 652 | Like it's not purely behavioral, right? | 像它不是纯粹的行为,对不对? |
| 653 | Like you can notice that someone is pretty calm seeming | 就像你注意到有人看起来很平静 |
| 654 | but they could be really anxious on the inside. | 但他们可能很紧张 |
| 655 | That can take a rather long time to change and to shift. | 这需要相当长的时间才能改变和转变。 |
| 656 | But it's possible. | 但是这是可能的。 |
| 657 | Yes. | 对 |
| 658 | So the studies that we have show like it's like a few months | 所以,我们的研究显示 像几个月 |
| 659 | of therapy can really create a significant change in neuroticism. | 心理治疗真的能给神经病带来显著变化 |
| 660 | What I did was like a meditation class | 我所做的就像一个冥想课 |
| 661 | that I think it lasted eight weeks or 12 weeks or something like that. | 我认为它持续了8周或12周之类的。 |
| 662 | What type of meditation? | 什么样的冥想? |
| 663 | It was MBSR and it's just pure mindfulness meditation for dummies, | 这是MBSR,它只是纯粹的意念 冥想哑弹, |
| 664 | nothing special to it. | 没什么特别的 |
| 665 | And that did work to decrease my neuroticism after, | 这样做可以减少我的神经病 之后, |
| 666 | I think, like three months. | 我想,大约三个月。 |
| 667 | How? | 怎么会? |
| 668 | What did it do? | 它做了什麽? |
| 669 | I am still totally not sure what meditation specifically does in the mind. | 我仍然完全不知道冥想在思想中的具体作用。 |
| 670 | I will tell you what I think it did for me. | 我会告诉你我认为它对我做了什么 |
| 671 | So this meditation class was a combination of sitting silently | 所以这个冥想课是静静坐的结合 |
| 672 | for 45 minutes every day or some sort of other mindful activity | 每天45分钟 或某种其他勤奋活动 |
| 673 | like yoga or walking. | 喜欢瑜伽或走路。 |
| 674 | And once a week, our teacher would give like a presentation | 我们的老师每周会做一个演讲 |
| 675 | about a topic in Buddhism that is probably very, | 佛教的一个话题 可能是非常, |
| 676 | obvious to all of your listeners. | 很明显,你所有的听众。 |
| 677 | Like it's something that probably they have heard of or have come across | 好像他们听说过或见过的东西 |
| 678 | or are aware of, right? | 还是知道,对不对? |
| 679 | It was it was not super esoteric or like late breaking like Buddhist thoughts. | 它不是超古典的 也不是像佛教思想一样迟到 |
| 680 | It was it was very kind of simple. | 很简单 |
| 681 | And I sort of was like the whole time I was like, | 我就像我一直以来一样 |
| 682 | is this really doing anything? | 这真的有什么用吗? |
| 683 | Like, I kind of already know about all this Buddhist stuff. | 喜欢,我已经知道 这些佛教的东西。 |
| 684 | I've come across it in my research. | 我在研究中见过 |
| 685 | And this meditation is just really boring. | 这种冥想太无聊了 |
| 686 | You know, is this what is this working? | 你知道,这是什么 这是工作? |
| 687 | And it did work. | 它确实起作用了。 |
| 688 | Especially my depression score went down considerably | 特别是我的抑郁症得分大幅下降 |
| 689 | throughout the course of this class. | 整个班级 |
| 690 | Is that a self score or is it a? | 那是自我得分还是自我得分? |
| 691 | So all of these are self scores. | 所以所有这些都是自我评分。 |
| 692 | There's really not a way to measure personality outside of self assessment. | 在自我评价之外真的没有衡量个性的方法. |
| 693 | I would recommend for if people really want to get super accurate scores, | 我建议如果人们真的想得到 超准确的分数 |
| 694 | just do the tests a lot frequently, | 只是经常做测试, |
| 695 | because then you'll kind of get a sense of like where you're falling | 因为那样你就会感觉自己跌倒了 |
| 696 | and it won't be like a random fluke result. | 它不会像一个随机故障的结果。 |
| 697 | But they're all self scores. | 但它们都是自我得分. |
| 698 | But mine went down from the 94th percentile to the 39th percentile, | 但我从94%下降到39% |
| 699 | which is a lot. | 这是很多。 |
| 700 | My anxiety went down. | 我的焦虑情绪下降。 |
| 701 | My depression just went significantly low to I think, | 我的抑郁症刚刚明显降低 我认为, |
| 702 | like I was considered like not depressed. | 就像我被认为是不抑郁。 |
| 703 | And I think it was from these like Buddhist lessons that they taught us that somehow. | 我认为,正是从这些像佛教一样的教训中, 他们不知何故教了我们。 |
| 704 | What's one that stood out to you? | 你最擅长的是什么? |
| 705 | OK, so there's one you're probably familiar with this. | 好吧,所以有一个 你可能熟悉这一点。 |
| 706 | Have you heard of the double arrow? | 你听说过双箭吗? |
| 707 | So the double arrow for people who don't know is this idea that | 所以对于不知道的人来说 双箭就是这个想法 |
| 708 | something bad happens to you. | 坏事发生在你身上。 |
| 709 | Let's say you don't get as much work done as you wanted to one day. | 假设你的工作没有你想的那么多 |
| 710 | And then you sit there and berate yourself, | 然后你就坐在那里自责 |
| 711 | why didn't I get as much work done today as I wanted? | 为什么我今天的工作没有我想要的那么多? |
| 712 | Now it's going to screw up tomorrow and I'm not going to get it done on time | 现在明天会搞砸的 我不会准时完成的 |
| 713 | and my boss is going to be mad. | 我老板会生气的 |
| 714 | That second part is a second arrow that you're basically shooting yourself with | 第二部分是第二支箭 你基本上用枪射自己 |
| 715 | after the initial misfortune has happened. | 在最初的不幸发生之后 |
| 716 | I knew this going into the meditation program. | 我知道这件事会进入冥想计划 |
| 717 | But there was something about someone kind of explaining it to me | 但有人告诉我 |
| 718 | as like a universal human phenomenon | 就像一个普遍的人类现象 |
| 719 | and something that you actually have control over. | 和一些你实际控制的东西。 |
| 720 | Like you don't have to shoot yourself with this double arrow, the second arrow. | 就像不用用这双箭射自己,第二箭. |
| 721 | You don't get any extra points in life from having two arrow injuries. | 身受两箭伤,一生中得不到任何额外分数. |
| 722 | You can just acknowledge that something bad happened and think about, | 你可以承认发生了一些坏事 想想看 |
| 723 | OK, what am I going to do? | 好吧,我该怎么办? |
| 724 | How am I going to move forward in a calm way without a lot of self-blame? | 我如何以平静的方式前进,没有太多的自我指责? |
| 725 | I think that really made the difference for me. | 我觉得这真的让我有所改变 |
| 726 | A lot of my neuroticism came from self-blame. | 我很多神经病都是自责造成的 |
| 727 | And I think a lot of other people's does too. | 我想其他人也一样 |
| 728 | And that class was really good if you're like a self-blamer. | 如果你像个自夸的人 那门课真的很好 |
| 729 | It was very good at increasing self-compassion. | 它非常善于增加自我同情. |
| 730 | Having meditated for a long time now, I feel like it's really beautiful | 沉思了很久,感觉真美 |
| 731 | hearing about someone having an experience that in eight weeks | 听说有人在8周内有经历 |
| 732 | was able to reduce depression that significantly. | 能够大大降低抑郁症。 |
| 733 | And even hearing about your experiences is really special | 甚至听到你的经历也非常特别 |
| 734 | because I think one of the things I find | 因为我想我找到的东西之一 |
| 735 | most interesting about the human mind is we think because we've heard something | 人类思想中最有趣的是,我们思考是因为我们听到了一些东西 |
| 736 | often that we understand it and that we've realized it. | 我们经常明白这一点,并且意识到这一点。 |
| 737 | And therefore, we're always looking for something new, | 因此,我们总是寻找新的东西, |
| 738 | not realizing that actually it's that age old repetition of an idea | 没想到其实是那个年老的重复想法 |
| 739 | that then you get to live and breathe and apply. | 然后,你得到生活和呼吸 并应用。 |
| 740 | And then all of a sudden it transforms your life. | 然后突然改变你的生活 |
| 741 | And it isn't always about finding a new. | 它并不总是 寻找一个新的。 |
| 742 | And I think this idea of we always want to watch a new show or a new episode | 我觉得我们总是想看新节目或新剧集 |
| 743 | makes sense because that work isn't healing or transformative. | 有道理的,因为那工作 不是治愈或变革。 |
| 744 | But these ideas that are timeless, that have been around for thousands of years, | 但是这些思想是永恒的, 已经存在了几千年, |
| 745 | there's a reason why when they finally hit, they have this effect that | 有原因,当他们终于打, 他们有这种效果, |
| 746 | you're smiling in front of me right now and nodding. | 你现在在我面前笑着点头 |
| 747 | It's that feeling that you get, that you only get from something that heals you and transforms you. | 就是那种感觉,你得到的,你只从能治愈你并改造你的东西中获得. |
| 748 | That you've heard it a million times, but then when the penny drops, | 你听过一百万次了 但当一分钱掉下来 |
| 749 | it stays with you forever. | 它永远和你在一起。 |
| 750 | So there's a couple things about it. | 故有二义. |
| 751 | It was a group class. | 那是团体课 |
| 752 | So it was Zoom because of the pandemic. | 因为这个流行病,所以是Zoom。 |
| 753 | People were kind of all sharing their struggles. | 人们都分享了他们的斗争。 |
| 754 | And we were all kind of going through these realizations together too. | 我们都在经历这些认识。 |
| 755 | And so just seeing how it applied to different situations, | 所以看看它如何适用于不同的情况, |
| 756 | even like very simple, like one thing my meditation teacher said was, | 就像我的冥想老师说的一样 |
| 757 | she would always say is things happen that we don't like. | 她总是说 事情发生,我们不喜欢。 |
| 758 | And like, how simple is that? | 像,有多简单? |
| 759 | Obviously things happen that we don't like. | 显然我们不喜欢发生的事 |
| 760 | Every day something happens that we don't like. | 每天都有我们不喜欢的事情发生 |
| 761 | But for me, I was like, oh, every single person here, sitting here, | 但对我来说,我就像,哦, 每个人在这里,坐在这里, |
| 762 | has things happen to them that they don't like. | 有事情发生在他们不喜欢。 |
| 763 | It's part of life. | 谓众生之分. |
| 764 | It's not always your fault. | 这不是你的错 |
| 765 | Even if it is your fault, sitting there and going, | 即使这是你的错,坐在那里和去, |
| 766 | ah, why am I always causing things to happen to me that I don't like, | 啊,为什么我总是 使事情发生在我身上 我不喜欢, |
| 767 | is not going to fix the thing. | 事情不会解决的 |
| 768 | And for me, that was really, I don't know, | 而对我来说,那真的是,我不知道, |
| 769 | that was therapeutic in a way, as silly as it seems. | 这在某种意义上是治疗的, 似乎很愚蠢。 |
| 770 | No, I don't think it's silly at all. | 不,我不认为这是愚蠢的。 |
| 771 | And I remember looking into, and I'm sure you're well aware of this, | 我记得我调查过 我相信你很清楚 |
| 772 | the frequency illusion. | 频率幻觉。 |
| 773 | And that idea has totally given me so much confidence | 这个想法让我充满信心 |
| 774 | on how what we're both talking about is so real and so true. | 我们谈论的都是真实的 |
| 775 | So for those who don't know, the frequency illusion | 所以对于不知道的人来说 频率幻觉 |
| 776 | is when you're thinking about buying a red car, | 当你想买辆红色汽车时 |
| 777 | and now every car that you see on the road is red. | 现在在路上看到的每辆车都是红色的 |
| 778 | And you think, wow, everyone's just buying red cars. | 你认为,哇, 每个人都只是买红色的汽车。 |
| 779 | It must be in fashion. | 它必须是时尚。 |
| 780 | 必须是在Vogue。 | |
| 781 | Like, everyone's buying red. | 像,每个人都买红色。 |
| 782 | The reality is there are not more red cars. | 现实是,没有更多的红色汽车。 |
| 783 | It's just that now that you're noticing red cars. | 只是现在你注意到了红车 |
| 784 | So what you notice appears more often. | 所以,你注意到的更多出现。 |
| 785 | So when you notice things happen that I don't like, | 所以,当你注意到发生的事情 我不喜欢, |
| 786 | now all you're noticing is the things that happen that you don't like. | 你所注意到的只是你不喜欢的事情 |
| 787 | And I always say to people that when I look at my life, | 我总是对人们说 当我看着我的生活, |
| 788 | and if you reflected on your life, | 如果你反思你的生活, |
| 789 | you can always tell two stories based on what you notice. | 你总是可以讲两个故事 根据你注意到。 |
| 790 | So I could either say today, I love what I do. | 所以我今天可以说,我喜欢我的工作。 |
| 791 | I'm so grateful to do it. | 深为感激. |
| 792 | I'm really passionate about it. | 我真的很热衷于这个 |
| 793 | I wake up and I'm really excited about it. | 我醒来后很兴奋 |
| 794 | I get to work with great people. | 我和伟大的人一起工作 |
| 795 | Or I could say, the more I've done what I've loved, | 或者我可以说, 我越做我爱的事, |
| 796 | I've attracted more negativity. | 我吸引了更多的消极情绪。 |
| 797 | I've had people steal money from me. | 我让别人偷我的钱 |
| 798 | I've had people want to take advantage of me. | 我已经让别人想利用我 |
| 799 | I've been exploited. | 我被剥削了 |
| 800 | And whatever else it is. | 并随其物. |
| 801 | Now, both of those are true. | 这两个都是真的 |
| 802 | And I don't want to encourage positive thinking, | 我不想鼓励积极的想法, |
| 803 | which is no only good things happen to me because that's not true. | 这对我并不仅仅是好事 因为那不是真的 |
| 804 | Things happen that I don't like. | 发生一些我不喜欢的事 |
| 805 | But the reality is I don't have to notice them as much. | 但现实是,我不必多注意到他们。 |
| 806 | And ultimately, all that's multiplying is what I'm noticing. | 最终,我注意到的就是这些。 |
| 807 | And that's exactly what you're saying in this idea that, | 这就是你在这个想法中所说的 |
| 808 | and that's what I think mindfulness does, | 这也是我所认为的自觉 |
| 809 | especially MBSR is this idea of the ability to notice. | 特别是MBSR就是这种对注意能力的认识. |
| 810 | What am I paying attention to? | 我该注意什么? |
| 811 | And is it helping me? | 它有帮助我吗? |
| 812 | And then all of a sudden you go, wait a minute, | 然后突然你走了, 等待一分钟, |
| 813 | when I focus on the double arrow, it doesn't help me. | 当我专注于双箭, 它没有帮助我。 |
| 814 | It doesn't serve me. | 它不为我服务。 |
| 815 | It doesn't get me anywhere. | 我哪儿也来不了 |
| 816 | I just criticize myself and hurt and hate myself even more. | 我只是批评自己 伤害和恨自己更。 |
| 817 | And now I've dug an even deeper hole. | 现在我挖了一个更深的洞。 |
| 818 | That's really hard to get out of tomorrow to get any work done. | 这真的很难走出明天 完成任何工作。 |
| 819 | And another common suggestion for reducing neuroticism | 还有另一个减少神经病的共同建议 |
| 820 | is to have a gratitude journal. | 要有一个感恩日记。 |
| 821 | And of course, when I started this, I was like, this is stupid. | 当然,当我开始这个, 我很喜欢,这是愚蠢的。 |
| 822 | Why would anyone be journaling about gratitude? | 为什么会有人在杂志上说感激的事? |
| 823 | Russians are not big on kind of positive little journaling practices like that. | 俄国人并不擅长这种正面的 小型期刊做法。 |
| 824 | And kind of the more I did it, the more I realized | 我越做越意识到 |
| 825 | that it was helping you notice the positive story. | 帮助你注意到这个积极的故事 |
| 826 | So even on a dumb day where people on Twitter would yell at me | 所以即使是在推特上的人对我大吼大叫的蠢日子 |
| 827 | and my boss was mad at me and my husband and I got in a fight | 我老板生我和我丈夫的气 我打了一架 |
| 828 | or whatever, you know, I could always find a few things that went relatively well, | 或什么的,你知道, 我总是可以找到一些事情 相对顺利, |
| 829 | you know, just even small things or just things that I was happy that I had, | 你知道,只是一些小事 或者只是一些我很高兴的事情,我有, |
| 830 | you know, that I have that other people don't have. | 你知道,我有别人没有的。 |
| 831 | And, you know, it really does change your mindset a little bit. | 而且,你知道,这真的 改变了你的思维。 |
| 832 | It makes it, it just breaks you out of that cycle of like, | 它使你摆脱了循环 |
| 833 | everything is bad and my life is bad. | 一切都是坏的,我的生活是坏的。 |
| 834 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 835 | And the reason we have to do it is because we're all so wired. | 我们之所以要这么做 是因为我们都是有线的 |
| 836 | When have you ever got to a meeting smoothly and said, | 你什么时候能顺利地开个会说 |
| 837 | yeah, it was really smooth getting here today. | 是啊,它真的很顺利 今天来到这里。 |
| 838 | Most of the time, if it was a bad journey to get to work that day, | 大部分时间 如果那天去上班的旅程不顺利 |
| 839 | you would talk about it with everyone the whole day. | 你会整天和大家讨论这件事 |
| 840 | You keep repeating it. | 你继续重复 |
| 841 | So you would say it 10 times and you wouldn't even think about it. | 所以你会说10次, 你甚至不会想它。 |
| 842 | Every meeting, you'd go, oh my God, I had the worst journey here to work today. | 每次会议,你都会去,哦,我的上帝, 我今天在这里的旅程最糟糕。 |
| 843 | This guy cut me off. | 这家伙切断了我。 |
| 844 | There was an accident. | 发生了意外 |
| 845 | You know, you saw the news and you just keep telling that story. | 你知道,你看到了新闻 你只是不停地说这个故事。 |
| 846 | Whereas you'd never say, yeah, it was really smooth today. | 但你从不说,是的,今天真的很平滑。 |
| 847 | It was amazing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 848 | I'm just so thankful that every light was green. | 我只是非常感激 每盏灯都是绿色的 |
| 849 | And, you know, you just don't say that. | 而且,你知道, 你只是不说。 |
| 850 | So we have to practice it. | 所以我们必须练习。 |
| 851 | The gratitude journal, I think, has become such a meme now | 感谢日记,我想, 已经变成了这样一个meme |
| 852 | because it's like, whatever, it's kind of been so watered down. | 因为它就像,不管怎样, 它有点被这样水化了。 |
| 853 | But the point of it is the repetition of noticing a good story in your day | 但重点是在你的时代重复注意一个好故事 |
| 854 | because you're so wired to notice the bad stories every day. | 因为你每天被窃听到注意到坏事 |
| 855 | I wanted to ask you, what are the gender effects on personality? | 我想问你,性别对人格有什么影响? |
| 856 | Women tend to be more conscientious in some ways, more agreeable, | 妇女往往在某些方面更自觉,更能接受, |
| 857 | and also much more neurotic. | 而且更神经质。 |
| 858 | Neuroticism is like, | 神经病就像, |
| 859 | highly associated with being female. | 与女性高度相关 |
| 860 | And then men? | 然后是男人吗? |
| 861 | Men tend to be much less agreeable, less conscientious in certain ways, | 男人在某些方面往往不太容易接受 也不太认真 |
| 862 | and then less neuroticism. | 然后减少神经病。 |
| 863 | Men tend to have more of like, this like, it's called the dark triad, | 男人更喜欢这样 叫做黑帮 |
| 864 | or basically like, kind of an antagonistic personality trait | 或基本上像,一种对立的个性特征 |
| 865 | that women, because of socialization or whatever, | 女人,因为社交或什么的, |
| 866 | tend not to display as much. | 通常不会显示那么多。 |
| 867 | And that's what makes heterosexual relationships so hard, | 所以异性恋关系才这么难 |
| 868 | because there's a complete fraction of... | 因为有一点... |
| 869 | All of the like, my husband never mops the floor or whatever, | 我丈夫从不拖地板之类的 |
| 870 | that's personality-based, yeah. | 那是个性化的,是的。 |
| 871 | But the thing is, it's shared across men. | 但问题是 男人之间共享 |
| 872 | As in, it's not like, it's just my guy. | 就像,它不是像, 这只是我的人。 |
| 873 | You occasionally will find someone, you know, obviously these are all averages, | 你偶尔会找到一个人,你知道, 很明显,这些都是平均, |
| 874 | so you'll find someone who's like, below the average or above, | 所以,你会找到一个像, 低于平均或高于, |
| 875 | but yeah, it tends to be shared, yeah. | 但是,是的,它倾向于共享,是的。 |
| 876 | So that's something that all men need to work on. | 所以,这是所有男人都需要做的。 |
| 877 | Yes. | 对 |
| 878 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 879 | And that's the hard part with that, right? | 这才是最难的,对吧? |
| 880 | Because romantic relationships is probably where we see this the most, | 因为浪漫的关系可能是我们最看重的地方 |
| 881 | where we just say to our partner, but that's not who I am. | 在那里,我们只是说我们的伙伴, 但这不是我是谁。 |
| 882 | I don't want to be that. | 我不想那样 |
| 883 | And also because you feel the pressure that your partner wants you to be that way. | 也因为你感受到了你的伴侣希望你那样的压力. |
| 884 | What do you do when your partner wants you to be that way, | 当你的搭档希望你这样时 你会怎么做? |
| 885 | but you don't want to be that way for them? | 但你不想这样对待他们? |
| 886 | You know, there could be another reason to be that way, though. | 你知道,可能还有另一个原因 是这种方式,虽然。 |
| 887 | Like, even if it would just make your relationship a little bit balmy or, | 就像,即使它会只是 让你的关系有点balmy或, |
| 888 | you know, maybe you understand each other better, | 你知道,也许你们更了解对方, |
| 889 | maybe you communicate better because you agree to say things a certain way. | 也许你沟通得更好 因为你同意用某种方式说话 |
| 890 | My husband has this with like various things. | 我丈夫有这样的东西 |
| 891 | He likes things like, he tends to think that eating the very last bit of something is rude. | 他喜欢这样的东西, 他倾向于认为 吃最后一点的东西 是粗鲁的。 |
| 892 | And I think that leaving a big bag with a tiny bit of something in it is rude. | 我认为留下一个大袋子 里面有一点点的东西是粗鲁的。 |
| 893 | But so now, though, I see when I see a big bag with a little bit piece of something, | 但现在,虽然,我看到一个大袋子 和一点点的东西, |
| 894 | I'm like, oh, he's trying to be kind to me, right? | 我很喜欢,哦, 他试图对我好,对不对? |
| 895 | I'm seeing it through his eyes of like he's being empathetic. | 我从他眼中看出来他很冷酷 |
| 896 | And when I gobble down the last of the cheese and throw the package away, | 当我把最后的奶酪 扔掉的时候 |
| 897 | he tries to see it as like I'm being efficient and showing him love | 他试图把它看成我是高效的 向他展示爱 |
| 898 | by not leaving crab in the fridge. | 不把螃蟹丢在冰箱里 |
| 899 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 对,对,对 |
| 900 | And that again goes back to the underlying need, | 这又回到基本的需要, |
| 901 | because that's an underlying expression of the same thing. | 因为那是同样事物的基本表现 |
| 902 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 903 | Could you name for us the five personality traits | 你能给我们起个个性特征的名字吗? |
| 904 | and then the personalities that are associated with those? | 还有那些与这些有关的人物? |
| 905 | So there's five traits that make up personality. | 因此,有五个特征构成个性. |
| 906 | You can remember them with the acronym OCEAN, | 你可以用缩写OCEAN来记住他们 |
| 907 | which is nice because we're in California. | 这很好,因为我们在加州 |
| 908 | So it's openness to experiences, which is this is the hardest one, so stay with me. | 所以,这是对经验的开放, 这是最难的,所以和我在一起。 |
| 909 | But it's kind of like people who are open-minded, kind of down for whatever, | 但是,这有点像 人谁开明的心, 那种下来什么, |
| 910 | kind of just you suggest a new restaurant to them and they're like, | 那种只是你建议 一个新的餐厅给他们 他们喜欢, |
| 911 | okay, yeah, let's check it out. | 好吧,我们来看看。 |
| 912 | C for conscientiousness. | C为自觉. |
| 913 | These are the go-getters. | 这些是去得到的人。 |
| 914 | They wake up early. | 他们早起。 |
| 915 | They run every day. | 他们每天都在跑 |
| 916 | They know where all their stuff is. | 他们知道他们的东西在哪里。 |
| 917 | They work really diligently at everything. | 他们很勤奋地工作 |
| 918 | They pursue their goals. | 他们追求自己的目标。 |
| 919 | These are type A individuals. | 这些是A类个人。 |
| 920 | E for extroversion. | E为外传. |
| 921 | We all have some sense of what this is. | 我们都知道这是什么 |
| 922 | It's not just talking a lot. | 这不只是说了很多。 |
| 923 | It's also like how much you like being around people and how kind of active you are. | 也像是你多么喜欢在人身边 以及你有多活跃 |
| 924 | Are you kind of more the sit on the couch person or are you | 你是坐沙发上还是坐沙发上? |
| 925 | out and about doing stuff with other people is extroversion, even if you're not talking. | 和别人做一些事情是外向的, 即使你不说话。 |
| 926 | Agreeableness is A, and it gets a bad rap because people think it means just agreeing | 同意是A,它得到一个不好的说唱,因为人们认为这意味着仅仅同意 |
| 927 | with everything, but it's really how warm and empathetic you are in your relationships. | 但你们在感情中是多么的温暖和同情 |
| 928 | Are you someone who is filled with a lot of antagonism? | 你是一个充满敌意的人吗? |
| 929 | Do you start a lot of conflict with the people in your life? | 你生命中与人民发生了很多冲突吗? |
| 930 | Or are you someone who is able to take the perspective of others, | 或者你能够从别人的角度出发 |
| 931 | puts others' needs before your own? | 把别人的需要放在你自己之前? |
| 932 | People high in agreeableness tend to have really deep and meaningful | 居高临下的人 往往有真正的深度和意义 |
| 933 | friendships and relationships. | 友谊和关系。 |
| 934 | But it could lead to people pleasing on the negative end. | 但是,这可能导致人们在消极的一面感到高兴。 |
| 935 | It can, and I've heard from people who are like, | 它可以,我听说过 人们喜欢, |
| 936 | I want to be less agreeable because I want to be less of a people pleaser, | 我想变得不那么讨人喜欢 因为我想变得不那么讨人喜欢 |
| 937 | and there are ways to set boundaries in relationships | 和有办法 确定关系界限 |
| 938 | that can still be agreeable and that don't lead to people pleasing. | 那还是可以接受的 也不会让人高兴 |
| 939 | And then N is neuroticism. | 然后N是神经病。 |
| 940 | It's basically the two components of it are depression and anxiety. | 基本上它的两个组成部分是抑郁症和焦虑症. |
| 941 | It's kind of all about how negative your inner weather is. | 你内心的天气有多阴暗 |
| 942 | Gloomy is it in there? | 郁闷是在那里? |
| 943 | Is it all like I had the worst commute into work today | 难道我今天的工作最糟糕吗? |
| 944 | because a guy cut me off and blah, blah, blah? | 因为一个男人 切断了我,等等,等等? |
| 945 | Or are you able to kind of take a minute in there and smile at something, | 或者你可以在那里花点时间 和微笑的东西, |
| 946 | laugh with someone, even just appreciate it being a normal day? | 与某人笑,甚至只是感谢 这是一个正常的一天? |
| 947 | That would be someone who's more emotionally stable, | 那会是情绪比较稳定的人 |
| 948 | which is the opposite of neuroticism. | 与神经病相反 |
| 949 | Got it. | 明白吗? |
| 950 | And introversion fits into extroversion because each are a scale. | 而内向适应于外向,因为每个都是尺度. |
| 951 | Yes. | 对 |
| 952 | For openness, closed. | 对于开放,关闭。 |
| 953 | Yes, exactly. | 没错 |
| 954 | So they're all- | 所以他们都... |
| 955 | I'm being unconscious. | 我被无意识。 |
| 956 | Yes. | 对 |
| 957 | So they're all a spectrum. | 所以它们都是光谱 |
| 958 | So no one is 100% one or the other. | 因此,没有人是100%的一方或另一方。 |
| 959 | People are like, I'm a total introvert. | 人们喜欢,我是一个总的内向。 |
| 960 | You're probably like 23% of the way. | 你大概是23%的方式。 |
| 961 | And are we all mixed? | 我们都是混血儿吗? |
| 962 | Are we all of them? | 大家都是吗? |
| 963 | We have a score on the spectrum of each and every one of them. | 每个人的光谱都有我们的分数 |
| 964 | We all have each of these traits inside of us to varying degrees. | 我们都在不同程度上拥有这些特性。 |
| 965 | Generally, you want to be pretty high on all of them other than neuroticism. | 一般来说,除了神经病外,你想对所有这些病都相当高。 |
| 966 | You want to be low on that one. | 你想低调一点 |
| 967 | But pretty high doesn't mean all the way high or extreme or in every situation or every day. | 但是,相当高并不意味着 一路高或极端 或在每一种情况或每一天。 |
| 968 | It just means that if called upon to give a wedding toast, | 意思是如果有人要为婚礼祝酒 |
| 969 | you're capable of doing that, you're not going to melt down. | 你有能力做到这一点, 你不会融化下来。 |
| 970 | That would be like an appropriate amount of extroversion. | 这将是适当数量的外向。 |
| 971 | Got it, got it. | 笵 |
| 972 | Yeah, that's so interesting you say that because I was looking at a study that was | 是啊,你这么说太有趣了 因为我在看一个研究 |
| 973 | saying that if we're asked to give a toast as the maid of honor at our friend's wedding, | 说如果我们被要求敬酒 作为伴娘 在我们朋友的婚礼, |
| 974 | we literally feel like we're being chased by a tiger, right? | 我们真的觉得被老虎追了 对吧? |
| 975 | That's the response in the brain because we're so scared of how it could go. | 这是大脑里的反应,因为我们非常害怕它会怎样。 |
| 976 | You're saying ideally you don't feel that way and that's a healthy level to be. | 你说的最好你没有那种感觉 这才是健康的水平 |
| 977 | Yeah, so that doesn't mean that you would give a toast every day. | 是啊,这并不意味着你会 每天敬酒。 |
| 978 | It doesn't mean that what you would prefer most in the world is to give a toast. | 这并不意味着你最喜欢的 就是敬酒 |
| 979 | You might still need a lot of quiet time to yourself, | 你可能需要很多安静的时间 |
| 980 | but it's someone who can kind of rise to those occasions. | 但它是一个能挺身而出的人 |
| 981 | So I have a friend who always says to me, | 所以我有个朋友总是对我说 |
| 982 | I'm not as ambitious as you. | 我没你那么有野心 |
| 983 | I'm a lot more content and I'm stable is the words he uses, | 我更满足,我稳定 他用的词, |
| 984 | but then when we get into it, he'll be honest and say, | 但当我们进入, 他会诚实地说, |
| 985 | I think I'm lazy, I'm not organized and I disguise my lack of ambition as contentment, | 我觉得我懒惰,没有组织,我把缺乏野心伪装成满足, |
| 986 | but really I'm not happy. | 但我真的不高兴。 |
| 987 | Like I'm anxious, I'm stressed, I'm not in a good place. | 就像我焦急,我压力很大,我不在好地方。 |
| 988 | Is that changeable? | 可以换吗? |
| 989 | Yeah, so for my book, I interviewed several people exactly like that. | 是啊,所以我的书, 我采访了几个人 正是这样的。 |
| 990 | So they kind of thought they were just kind of, oh, whatever happens happens, | 所以他们觉得他们只是 那种,哦,不管发生了什么, |
| 991 | kind of like, you know, I'm content, I'm not very ambitious. | 那种喜欢,你知道, 我满足,我不是很雄心勃勃。 |
| 992 | But then one of the women, Julia, she really wanted to start her own business. | 但后来一个女人,朱莉娅, 她真的想创办自己的企业。 |
| 993 | She wanted to have her own copywriting business, | 她想有自己的抄写业务, |
| 994 | but she worked as like a assistant at a hair salon, | 但她在发廊当助手 |
| 995 | which was not really what she wanted to be doing. | 这不是她真正想要做的事情。 |
| 996 | It was a little bit menial and like just kind of she felt like she had skills beyond that. | 她觉得她有超能力 |
| 997 | And she really just struggled to get motivated or like figure out | 而她真的只是挣扎着 得到动机或喜欢想出 |
| 998 | how she was going to start this business. | 她打算怎么开始这个生意。 |
| 999 | She kind of just like flipped overnight. | 她有点像 翻过一夜。 |
| 1000 | Like she again, kind of like my thing with the MBSR class, | 像她再次, 有点像我的事情 在MBSR班, |
| 1001 | she read that like, you can accomplish your goals by just working at them for 20 minutes a day, | 她读到的一样, 你可以完成你的目标 通过仅仅工作 在他们每天20分钟, |
| 1002 | just in some self-help book. | 只是一些自助书。 |
| 1003 | This is not the secret to conscientiousness, but for her, this was like, oh, like, | 这不是良心的秘密 但对她来说 这就像... |
| 1004 | I could just do a little bit every day toward my goals. | 我每天可以做一点 我的目标。 |
| 1005 | Like I don't have to suddenly wake up and be a different person. | 就像我不必突然醒来 变成另一个人 |
| 1006 | And she did, she got super organized. | 她做到了,她得到了超级有组织的。 |
| 1007 | She's like one of the most organized people I've ever talked to. | 她是我见过最有组织的人之一 |
| 1008 | She has like all these to-do lists. | 她喜欢所有这些待办事宜列表。 |
| 1009 | She has a calendar. | 她有一个日历。 |
| 1010 | She has JIRA tracking of her client. | 她有JIRA追踪她的客户。 |
| 1011 | You know, she's like very together. | 你知道,她就像 非常在一起。 |
| 1012 | And this was someone who quit her job to start a business | 这个人辞去了她的工作 开始创业 |
| 1013 | and then watch Game of Thrones for, you know, months | 然后看宝座游戏,你知道,几个月 |
| 1014 | because she didn't have that skill initially. | 因为她一开始没有这种技能 |
| 1015 | So yeah, it's completely possible. | 所以,这是完全可能的。 |
| 1016 | So how do we do it? | 那么,我们如何做到这一点? |
| 1017 | So what I found seems to work for people is that you have to have, | 所以,我发现似乎 工作为人们是 你必须有, |
| 1018 | this is now like a cliche at this point, but you really have to have a why. | 现在这就像一个陈词滥调, 但你真的必须有一个原因。 |
| 1019 | One of the other people that I talked to in that chapter, | 我在那个章节里跟其他人谈过 |
| 1020 | he came from this like very poor rural part of Virginia | 他来自这里 就像弗吉尼亚州非常贫困的农村地区 |
| 1021 | and he had never like studied really. | 他从来没有喜欢学习真的。 |
| 1022 | He just wasn't into school and he had never written a paper before. | 他只是没上过学 而且他从没写过论文 |
| 1023 | And he didn't realize that you can study for tests | 他没有意识到 你可以学习测试 |
| 1024 | and in that way you can improve your score. | 这样你就能提高分数了 |
| 1025 | So he gets to college somehow, like the, you know, whatever low college he gets into. | 所以他上了大学 喜欢,你知道, 不管他进入什么低年级大学。 |
| 1026 | And everyone thinks he's going to fail out because he's just not, school is not his thing. | 每个人都认为他会失败 因为他不是,学校不是他的事情。 |
| 1027 | And then he takes one psychology class and he's like, oh, this is so interesting. | 然后他上一个心理学课 他喜欢,哦,这太有趣了。 |
| 1028 | I'm learning about why people do what they do, the science of the mind, | 我在学习为什么人们做他们做的, 心灵的科学, |
| 1029 | this is applicable to me, this is fascinating. | 这适用于我, 这很有趣。 |
| 1030 | And he decides he wants to become an academic psychologist, | 他决定要成为一个学术心理学家, |
| 1031 | like a researcher in psychology, which is so far beyond where he is at that moment. | 就像心理学的研究员, 这远远超出了他当时所处的位置。 |
| 1032 | And he does, he honestly just completely turns his life around. | 他确实这么做了,他真的完全改变了他的生活。 |
| 1033 | He gets organized, he gets like a filing cabinet with all of his homework and all that stuff. | 他得到组织,他得到 像一个档案柜 他所有的功课和所有的东西。 |
| 1034 | He finds a study buddy, which having a partner in whatever like journey you're on | 他找到了一个学习伙伴, 拥有一个合伙人 在任何像 你的旅行 |
| 1035 | is always going to be more effective. | 永远是更有效的。 |
| 1036 | They stay up all night reading and studying together and writing essays together | 他们整晚不睡 一起读书 一起写文章 |
| 1037 | and like puzzling through like, what does this mean? | 这是什么意思? |
| 1038 | What does that mean? | 这是什么意思? |
| 1039 | He finds a mentor in psychology who kind of keeps him going and gives him hope. | 他找到了心理学的导师 那种让他坚持下去 给他带来希望 |
| 1040 | He makes flashcards for every test. | 他每次测试都要打闪卡 |
| 1041 | He sets like timelines for when he's going to start studying for each psychology quiz. | 他为每一次心理学测验设定了学习时间表 |
| 1042 | And he is, he is now a tenured professor in psychology. | 他现在是心理学的终身教授 |
| 1043 | He got into UGA, which is a great grad school for psychology. | 他进入了UGA,这是一所伟大的心理学研究生院. |
| 1044 | And this is someone who I think made D's in high school. | 这个是高中时的D |
| 1045 | And it's really about having that thing that he's like, this is what I want to be doing. | 这真的是关于拥有他喜欢的东西, 这就是我想要做的。 |
| 1046 | This is absolutely how I see it playing out. | 我绝对是这么想的 |
| 1047 | And nothing else in his life up until that point had ignited him in that same way. | 直到那个时候 他生命中没有什么能以同样的方式点燃他 |
| 1048 | What are the strongest types of ways? | 最强的方法是什么? |
| 1049 | I would say it's something that is going to kind of fuel you for the rest of your life. | 我会说,这是一些东西 会给你的余生燃料。 |
| 1050 | So people often, it's like their kids, people will do anything for their kids because | 所以人们经常,就像他们的孩子, 人们会为孩子做任何事情,因为 |
| 1051 | they just kind of consume you and you're like an infinite amount of energy to pour into them. | 他们只是吞噬你,你就像 无限的能量注入他们。 |
| 1052 | For me, it was really, I really wanted to do journalism. | 对我来说,我真的很想做新闻 |
| 1053 | And that was a big part of what made me more conscientious | 那是我更自觉的原因之一 |
| 1054 | because I had a series of really boring jobs before I became a journalist. | 因为我在成为记者之前 做过很多无聊的工作 |
| 1055 | And I was like, I can't spend my whole life being this bored. | 我当时想,我不能一辈子都这么无聊 |
| 1056 | I cannot go in day in, day out and not look forward to anything or learning anything or | 我不能在白天去,白天出去 不期待任何东西或学习任何东西或 |
| 1057 | any kind of interesting conversation. | 任何有趣的谈话。 |
| 1058 | I was a secretary at a mail order mailbox company. | 我是邮购邮箱公司的秘书 |
| 1059 | I was like, this is so tedious. | 我当时想,这太无聊了。 |
| 1060 | This is so boring. | 这太无聊了。 |
| 1061 | I hate mailboxes. | 我讨厌邮箱 |
| 1062 | I don't care. | 我无所谓 |
| 1063 | And I was like, I can't do this for the rest of my life. | 我一辈子都做不来 |
| 1064 | No shade to the people who work there. | 在那里工作的人没有影子 |
| 1065 | So that is something. | 所以,这是东西。 |
| 1066 | It's like you can be kind of running away from something. | 就像你可以逃避某些东西 |
| 1067 | You can be running towards something. | 你可以跑向某处 |
| 1068 | It's something that's going to just kind of fuel you forever. | 这东西会让你永远加油 |
| 1069 | Not for the next week. | 下礼拜别. |
| 1070 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1071 | So you need a why. | 所以你需要个原因 |
| 1072 | What else? | 还有什么? |
| 1073 | As I mentioned previously, having someone who's kind of on the journey with you can be, | 正如我之前提到的, 拥有一个 那种与你一起旅行的人, |
| 1074 | for some reason, really empowering. | 因为某种原因, 真正的授权。 |
| 1075 | It's called the mutually reinforcing effect. | 这被称为相互强化效应. |
| 1076 | And it essentially means that you kind of are learning from someone, right? | 基本上意味着你在向某人学习,对吧? |
| 1077 | You're getting strategies from them. | 你得到了他们的策略。 |
| 1078 | So he was getting these like study skills from this other person. | 所以他得到了这些像学习技能 从另一个人。 |
| 1079 | But he was also kind of learning alongside him. | 但他也和他一起学习 |
| 1080 | Like they were kind of, it kind of creates this positive sense of peer pressure where | 就像他们一样,它创造了一种积极的同伴压力感 |
| 1081 | you're like, let's do it together. | 你就像,让我们一起做。 |
| 1082 | Let's like run this race together. | 让我们像运行这场比赛在一起。 |
| 1083 | It makes you feel like less alone, especially when things get really hard. | 这让你觉得 少孤独, 尤其是当事情变得非常困难。 |
| 1084 | Like I think it was for him at times. | 就像我想有时候是为了他 |
| 1085 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1086 | And then what else? | 还有呢? |
| 1087 | There's a final concept called episodic future thinking. | 有一个最终的概念,叫做"零星的未来思维". |
| 1088 | So a lot of times we have trouble being conscientious | 所以,很多时候,我们有困难 良心 |
| 1089 | because we can't see how it will all kind of look in the end. | 因为我们看不清结局会怎样 |
| 1090 | So I am not talking about the secret here, but it's kind of about visualizing with very | 所以,我不是在谈论这个秘密, 但它是那种视觉 与非常 |
| 1091 | specific details, either the outcome that you're trying to generate or the outcome | 具体细节,要么你试图产生的结果 要么结果 |
| 1092 | that you're trying to avoid. | 你试图避免。 |
| 1093 | So for Julia, the woman who had the business, it was, you know, I'm working for myself. | 所以对Julia来说,那个有生意的女人, 我为自己工作。 |
| 1094 | I set my own schedule. | 我决定了自己的日程 |
| 1095 | I have all these clients. | 我有所有这些客户。 |
| 1096 | You know, I never have to see this hair salon again. | 我再也不用看这个发廊了 |
| 1097 | And it was very clear to her like how she was going to set up her home office, | 她很清楚她打算怎么建立自己的办公室 |
| 1098 | how she was going to run her day, how she was going to do this. | 她会如何管理她的一天, 她会如何做到这一点。 |
| 1099 | So she had all the like kind of visualized pieces of it. | 所以她有类似 一种可视的片段。 |
| 1100 | And that would kind of keep her motivated when it inevitably got hard. | 那会让她在难免变得难受的时候 保持积极性 |
| 1101 | For some people, it can be something negative. | 对有些人来说,这可能是负面的。 |
| 1102 | And as long as you're not so bogged down in the negativity, that can be motivating. | 只要你没有陷入这种消极状态,那会激发人们的兴趣。 |
| 1103 | So the guy who became a psychologist, his big fear was becoming an assistant manager at Wendy's | 成为心理学家的那个人 他的恐惧是成为温蒂的助理经理 |
| 1104 | because that was like the only job that was available in his hometown. | 因为这是他家乡唯一能干的工作 |
| 1105 | And so he was like, if I have to go back to my hometown and be an assistant manager at Wendy's, | 所以他喜欢,如果我必须回到我的家乡 做温蒂的助理经理, |
| 1106 | I can't do that. | 我不能这样做。 |
| 1107 | I can't handle that. | 我无法应付。 |
| 1108 | I have to do well at school because I can't have this like Wendy's future happen to me. | 我在学校必须做得很好 因为我不能有这样的 温蒂的未来发生在我身上。 |
| 1109 | So that kind of thing can be really motivating. | 所以,这种事情 能够真正激发。 |
| 1110 | And that's, you know, connecting things to a bigger vision like that. | 这就是,你知道,把事情 与更大的视觉联系起来。 |
| 1111 | A lot of the stuff that you're going to be doing for conscientiousness is going to be kind of tedious. | 你为了良心而做的许多事情 会很乏味 |
| 1112 | Like, you know, scheduling guests for your podcast, I bet, is like not the most fun process, | 就像,你知道,安排客人 为你的播客,我敢打赌, 不喜欢最有趣的过程, |
| 1113 | like sending these emails and like finding a time. | 就像发送这些邮件 和寻找时间。 |
| 1114 | But it's like necessary for the larger vision. | 但是,这就像对更大的视觉是必要的。 |
| 1115 | So if you keep your focus on that larger vision, | 所以如果你把注意力放在这个更大的视野上 |
| 1116 | it will motivate you through those like difficult times. | 它会激励你渡过困难时期 |
| 1117 | Yeah, I think that's such a big important part because | 是的,我认为这是一个如此重要的一部分 因为 |
| 1118 | I often think when people think of their purpose or their calling or a better life, | 我常常认为,当人们想到他们的目的,他们的召唤或更好的生活, |
| 1119 | it's without any difficult, tedious tasks. | 它没有任何困难,乏味的任务。 |
| 1120 | Yes. | 对 |
| 1121 | And that's just not reality. | 而这只是不是现实。 |
| 1122 | I talk to friends all the time and I keep reminding them that | 我经常和朋友交谈,我一直提醒他们 |
| 1123 | you're always doing things you don't want to do to do more of the things you want to do. | 你总是做一些你不想做的事 来做你想做的事 |
| 1124 | And that's how life works. | 则人生之道也. |
| 1125 | There's very few people on planet Earth, if any, | 地球上很少有人 |
| 1126 | that only wake up and do everything they want to do. | 只有醒来 做他们想做的事 |
| 1127 | And anyone who says that is probably just paraphrasing for, | 任何人如果说那可能只是解释, |
| 1128 | well, it all is things I love because it's feeding and serving a bigger vision. | 嗯,这一切都是我喜欢的东西,因为它的喂养 服务一个更大的视觉。 |
| 1129 | And I also like what you were saying because I think for me, it was like that when I was in | 我也喜欢你说的 因为我觉得当我在的时候 |
| 1130 | stable consulting job before I do what I do now, the only thing that got me out of there was I | 稳定咨询工作之前,我现在做什么, 唯一让我走出那里是我 |
| 1131 | didn't want to be like the people who were 20 years senior to me in those roles. | 不想像那些20岁高龄的我一样 |
| 1132 | Again, no offense to anyone who works there. | 再说一遍,对在那里工作的人没有冒犯 |
| 1133 | They're happy there. | 他们在那里很开心。 |
| 1134 | That's great. | 赞曰. |
| 1135 | I just couldn't see myself being someone there when I was 45 or 50 or whatever it was. | 我45岁或50岁时 根本看不到自己是在那里的人 |
| 1136 | And at the same time, I couldn't imagine getting to the end of my life | 同时,我无法想象生命的尽头 |
| 1137 | and thinking I didn't try. | 以为我没有尝试。 |
| 1138 | And that visual for me was really, really powerful. | 对我来说的视觉非常非常强大。 |
| 1139 | And even probably the one I use most today where I'm like at the end of my life, | 甚至可能是今天我最常用的一个 在我的人生末期 |
| 1140 | if I'm lying there and I'm hopefully conscious enough to reflect, | 如果我躺在那里 希望我有足够的意识去思考 |
| 1141 | I'm never, ever, ever going to be sad that I tried something and people thought I was bad at it. | 我永远不会,永远, 永远不会是悲伤 我尝试的东西, 人们认为我是不好的。 |
| 1142 | Or there was terrible criticism or people laughed at me because at that point, | 或者有可怕的批评 或人们嘲笑我 因为当时, |
| 1143 | none of that will matter because I'll be forgotten in a matter of moments. | 这些都无关紧要 因为我马上就会被遗忘了 |
| 1144 | And the most important thing will be what I'll remember about my life, which is I tried, | 而最重要的事情是 我会记住关于我的生活, 我尝试, |
| 1145 | I gave it a shot, I explored, I experimented, and I'll be proud of myself for doing that. | 我给了它一个机会,我探索了,我进行了实验,我会为这样做而感到自豪。 |
| 1146 | And I think that visual is such a powerful way of whether it's like you said, | 我认为视觉是 如此强大的方式 它是否像你所说的, |
| 1147 | five years, 10 years, 20 years, or whether it's all the way to the end. | 五年,十年,二十年,或谓之 all,或谓之尽. |
| 1148 | It's such a powerful motivator that really puts things into context that you can't right now. | 它是一个强大的驱动器 真正地把事情 放在你现在无法理解的背景中。 |
| 1149 | Even people who are professionals at being gritty struggle with this. | 即使是那些很专业的人 也会为此而挣扎 |
| 1150 | As one example, one of the people I interviewed was Angela Duckworth, | 例如,我采访的其中一个人 是安吉拉·达克沃斯 |
| 1151 | who literally wrote Grit. | 谁写格丽特。 |
| 1152 | So the book about how to stick with your goals. | 所以,关于如何坚持你的目标。 |
| 1153 | She has trouble sticking with her goals. | 她很难坚持目标 |
| 1154 | So she doesn't like making the PowerPoint slides | 所以她不喜欢制作PowerPoint幻灯片 |
| 1155 | for her classes, as she told me. | 为了她的课,正如她告诉我的。 |
| 1156 | This is a tedious thing for her. | 这对她来说很无聊 |
| 1157 | It's not fun. | 不乐. |
| 1158 | It's like | 这就像 |
| 1159 | fixing the font and making it readable and all that stuff. | 修整字体 使它可以读取 和所有的东西。 |
| 1160 | She doesn't enjoy it, | 她不喜欢这样 |
| 1161 | but she does it because it's so important to her to teach people about psychology and to be | 但她这么做是因为 教别人心理学和成为 |
| 1162 | a good professor and to connect with her students that she powers through these PowerPoint sessions. | 并通过这些PowerPoint课程与她授权的学生建立联系。 |
| 1163 | So I think that was a really good example because if anyone knows how to be gritty, | 所以我认为这是一个很好的例子 因为如果有人知道如何做人 |
| 1164 | it's her, but even she struggles with it. | 这是她,但甚至她挣扎与它。 |
| 1165 | If someone wants to be more extroverted, what do they do every day? | 如果有人想更外向,他们每天做什么? |
| 1166 | What do they need to change? | 他们需要改变什么? |
| 1167 | All you have to do is talk to people. | 你只需要和别人说话 |
| 1168 | When you don't want to. | 当不欲. |
| 1169 | Yes, it can take whatever form you want, but my recommendation for people who are introverts, | 是的,它可以采取你想要的任何形式, 但我的建议的人 谁做内向, |
| 1170 | who are just starting out, maybe you just moved somewhere new and you want to meet new people, | 他们刚刚开始,也许你刚 搬到新的地方,你想见新人, |
| 1171 | sign up for an activity that happens regularly that you don't have to organize. | 报名参加你不需要组织的活动 |
| 1172 | Because I think | 因为我觉得 |
| 1173 | where people get stuck is in the endless text chain of doom of like, how about Tuesday? | 周二怎么样? |
| 1174 | How | 怎么样 |
| 1175 | about Wednesday? | 关于周三? |
| 1176 | How about drinks? | 喝点什么? |
| 1177 | How about here? | 这里怎么样? |
| 1178 | How about there? | 那里怎么样? |
| 1179 | It's really hard to make | 很难做到 |
| 1180 | things happen in our society because everyone's so over-scheduled. | 事情发生在我们的社会中,因为每个人都这么超时。 |
| 1181 | Everyone's busy. | 每个人都很忙。 |
| 1182 | Everyone kind | 每个人善良 |
| 1183 | of has this inclination toward introversion. | 有这种倾向 内向。 |
| 1184 | So just sign up for something like Pickleball | 所以,只要报名 像泡菜球 |
| 1185 | or like whatever your thing is, whatever you can tolerate, that's like a group activity | 或喜欢你的东西是什么, 你能够容忍的, 这就像一个团体活动 |
| 1186 | that's going to happen with or without you. | 不管有没有你,都会发生这种事 |
| 1187 | Because that's, to me, like seeing the same | 因为对我来说,就像看到一样 |
| 1188 | people regularly over time is how you build connections and how you build friendships | 时常的人就是如何建立联系 如何建立友谊 |
| 1189 | and not through like just being really good at scheduling. | 而不是像只是 真正擅长的时间安排。 |
| 1190 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1191 | It's almost, I remember for me, it was, I was around 15 years old. | 它几乎,我记得对我来说, 它是,我大约15岁。 |
| 1192 | I was doing work | 我当时在工作 |
| 1193 | experience at this company that I'd been connected to. | 我和这家公司有关系 |
| 1194 | And my job was to cold call 300 companies | 我的工作是打给300家公司 |
| 1195 | and try and sell event space for an exhibition. | 并尝试出售 活动空间为展览。 |
| 1196 | And I had never cold called in my life at 15 years | 15岁时我从未寒冷过 |
| 1197 | old. | 岁. |
| 1198 | I didn't even know what that meant. | 我都不知道这是什么意思 |
| 1199 | And I remember getting a quick coaching session | 我记得我得到了一个快速的辅导课程 |
| 1200 | with someone who was really warm and actually really nice. | 和一个很温和 真正善良的人 |
| 1201 | His name was Joel and just such a | 他的名字叫乔尔,只是这样的 |
| 1202 | kind guy at the time. | 时善男子. |
| 1203 | Like he was in his 30s probably, but showing me the ropes. | 他大概30多岁了 但给我看绳子 |
| 1204 | And I remember just calling 300 and he told me, hey, most of them won't respond. | 我记得我刚打过300电话 他告诉我,嘿,他们大多不会回应 |
| 1205 | Most of them | 他们大多数 |
| 1206 | will say no. | 将说不。 |
| 1207 | And I probably only sold three out of 300 exhibition spots, but I felt so confident | 我可能只卖了三百个展览点 但我觉得很有信心 |
| 1208 | to be rejected and cold call from that point because I'd picked up the phone and talked to | 被拒绝 冷打 因为我拿起电话和 |
| 1209 | 300 people. | 三百众. |
| 1210 | And I didn't feel like a failure, which is a really bizarre counterintuitive feeling | 我并不觉得自己是个失败者 这是一种奇怪的反直觉感 |
| 1211 | because I failed 297 times, but the three exhibition slots I sold were just such big wins. | 因为我失败了297次 但我卖的3个展位 就是这么大的赢家 |
| 1212 | And he was just like, yeah, those are the odds. | 他就像,是的,这是概率。 |
| 1213 | Like that's just how it works. | 碞钩琌硂妓 |
| 1214 | And I feel like | 我觉得 |
| 1215 | that was the moment I built a sense of confidence around being exposed to rejection. | 那一刻,我建立了一种信心 围绕被排斥。 |
| 1216 | So it's almost | 所以,它几乎是 |
| 1217 | like what you're saying is that exposure therapy of, hey, if you're not good at talking to people | 就像你说的 曝光疗法,嘿, 如果你不擅长与人交谈 |
| 1218 | and you're bad at organizing yourself, pick something that's organized and just talk to | 而且你不太擅长组织自己, 选择一些有组织的东西,只是说话 |
| 1219 | one person. | 一个人 |
| 1220 | And then next week, talk to two people there. | 然后下周,跟两个人谈谈 |
| 1221 | And then next week, talk to three people. | 然后下周,跟三个人谈谈 |
| 1222 | And that exposure therapy slowly, slowly, slowly, by the end of the eight weeks, you're like, oh wow, | 慢慢地,慢慢地,慢慢地, 到8周结束时,你就像,哦哇, |
| 1223 | I'm comfortable talking to people at Pickleball now. | 我现在在泡菜馆和人聊天很舒服 |
| 1224 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 1225 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1226 | And it's, you know, | 这是,你知道, |
| 1227 | not every conversation is going to go perfectly. | 并不是每个谈话都会完美无缺 |
| 1228 | Like not every person you meet is, I had some | 就像不是每个你遇到的人,我有一些 |
| 1229 | really awkward conversations that I described in the book, like with these new people I was talking | 我在书中描述的很尴尬的谈话 就像我和这些新来的人 |
| 1230 | to. | 改为。 |
| 1231 | So I was doing a lot of meetup where you go on like group outings with people. | 所以,我做了很多的相遇,在那里你去 像集体外出与人。 |
| 1232 | Usually it's | 通常是这样 |
| 1233 | like hiking or something like that. | 就像徒步旅行之类的 |
| 1234 | So it's a bunch of strangers who, who hike together. | 所以是一群陌生人 一起爬来爬去 |
| 1235 | Again, | 再说一遍 |
| 1236 | if you go regularly, hopefully you get to know some of them. | 如果你经常去,希望你能了解一些他们。 |
| 1237 | 我做了很多 像Bumble, | |
| 1238 | 对,Bumble BFF。 | |
| 1239 | 而Bumble BFF 其实为我工作。 | |
| 1240 | 我在Bumble BFF遇到一个朋友 | |
| 1241 | and we're still friends. | 我们还是朋友 |
| 1242 | But one of them was like, oh, she was trying to tell me that | 但其中有一个像,哦, 她试图告诉我 |
| 1243 | women peak in high school, that she was not looking for a partner and was not ever interested in | 高中时最高峰的女生, 她没有寻找伴侣, 从来没有兴趣 |
| 1244 | dating again, because we were in our thirties and women peak physically in high school. | 因为我们30多岁了 高中时女人身体上都顶峰 |
| 1245 | And I was | 我当时 |
| 1246 | like, I really don't think women peak in high school. | 喜欢,我真的不认为女性高峰 在高中。 |
| 1247 | That's really depressing. | 真让人沮丧 |
| 1248 | And I was just | 我刚刚 |
| 1249 | like, how do I navigate out of this like very like specific thing that you said that I really | 喜欢,我如何导航 出这个样子 像非常具体的事情 你说,我真的 |
| 1250 | don't agree with. | 不赞同 |
| 1251 | And that makes me sad that you think that. | 这让我很难过你这么想。 |
| 1252 | But so yeah, you're going to meet | 但是,所以是的,你要去见 |
| 1253 | people who you're like, wow, I don't agree with you at all about that. | 你喜欢的人,哇, 我不同意你 关于这一点。 |
| 1254 | You know, or just people | 你知道,或只是人们 |
| 1255 | who have like political opinions that are different from yours or whatever it might be, but you know, | 他们喜欢政治观点 与你不同 或它可能是什么,但你知道, |
| 1256 | 然后你会遇到一个像我的Bumble BFF,Alex。 | |
| 1257 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 1258 | I think what's hard about it | 我觉得有什么难的 |
| 1259 | is that humans feel the more certain we are about who we are, the safer we are. | 人类越确定我们是谁 就越安全 |
| 1260 | And so | 这样 |
| 1261 | when you start becoming uncertain about who you are and open to the idea that you could be more, | 当你开始变得不确定你是谁 并开放的想法 你可能更多, |
| 1262 | it's a scary place to live because it's uncomfortable. | 它是一个可怕的地方居住,因为它不舒服。 |
| 1263 | But you don't like the idea | 但你不喜欢这个想法 |
| 1264 | that you met someone at 30. | 你30岁认识的人 |
| 1265 | They're really outgoing. | 他们真的要离开了 |
| 1266 | And now you're like, no, no, no, | 现在你喜欢,不,不,不, |
| 1267 | I'm a homebody. | 我是一个家庭身体。 |
| 1268 | That's that's who I am. | 这就是我是谁。 |
| 1269 | Like, stop trying to change me. | 像,停止试图改变我。 |
| 1270 | And yeah, sure, I agree with | 是的,当然,我同意 |
| 1271 | you. | 你们 |
| 1272 | Don't change for that person. | 别为他变身 |
| 1273 | But have you ever asked yourself whether you want to be more | 但是,你曾经问过自己 是否你想成为更多 |
| 1274 | than a homebody? | 比一个家庭? |
| 1275 | Have you explored? | 你探索过吗? |
| 1276 | Have you experienced it to even know whether that's what | 你经历它 甚至知道是不是 |
| 1277 | you want? | 你想吗? |
| 1278 | And I think we're scared to do that because we feel sure that no, no, I'm a homebody. | 我认为我们害怕这样做 因为我们觉得确定不,不,我是一个家庭。 |
| 1279 | And that's my identity. | 这就是我的身份。 |
| 1280 | And that's what my friends know me for. | 我的朋友也因此认识我 |
| 1281 | And all my friends will be like, | 我所有的朋友都会说 |
| 1282 | yeah, you're a homebody. | 是啊,你是一个家庭身体。 |
| 1283 | And it evokes a sense of identity and purpose to some degree, even though | 也在一定程度上激发了一种认同感和目的感,尽管 |
| 1284 | it isn't a purpose. | 这不是一个目的。 |
| 1285 | But it makes me feel like people know who I am, and I know who I am. | 但使我感觉人们知道我是谁,我知道我是谁。 |
| 1286 | So as soon as I start changing, my wife went through this. | 所以当我开始换衣服,我的妻子经历了这个。 |
| 1287 | So my wife was someone who was | 我妻子就是那个 |
| 1288 | considered by her friends, family, and people around her that she was unorganized. | 她的朋友、家人和周围的人认为她没有组织。 |
| 1289 | She was | 她曾经是 |
| 1290 | spontaneous, although she's the best time. | 虽然她是最好的时机 |
| 1291 | So my wife is the best energy. | 我妻子是最佳的能量,我爱他 |
| 1292 | She is magnetic. | 她是磁学的 |
| 1293 | Everyone loves her adores her. | 每个人都爱她 喜欢她。 |
| 1294 | She doesn't she didn't used to make plans. | 她不习惯做计划。 |
| 1295 | She didn't have a plan. | 她没有计划。 |
| 1296 | And it was really hard to get a hold of her. | 很难找到她 |
| 1297 | And that's that's the reputation she'd build up. | 这就是她积蓄的名声 |
| 1298 | And | 还有 |
| 1299 | then when she started to change that. | 然后当她开始改变这一点。 |
| 1300 | So when she started to say, Hey, sorry, I can't actually make | 所以当她开始说,嘿,对不起,我真的不能做 |
| 1301 | that I've got work right now. | 我现在有工作 |
| 1302 | Or, do you know what, that day, I've got an event, I can't make it | 或者,你知道吗,那天,我有一个活动,我不能做到这一点。 |
| 1303 | before she was always available, always open, because she didn't have a schedule. | 因为她没有日程安排 |
| 1304 | People | 人员 |
| 1305 | started to make her feel bad about that. | 开始让她觉得很难过 |
| 1306 | Being like, Oh, you've changed. | 你变了 |
| 1307 | Oh, but you always used | 哦,但你总是用 |
| 1308 | to be up for this before. | 来参加这个派对 |
| 1309 | Oh, I realized you're busy too busy for me now. | 哦,我意识到你现在忙得太忙了 |
| 1310 | And it was really | 这真的 |
| 1311 | interesting to watch her go through that because she was doing it for all the right reasons because | 看着她经历这一切很有趣 因为她这样做是出于所有正确的理由 因为 |
| 1312 | she wanted to be someone who was organized, disciplined. | 她想成为有组织,有纪律的人 |
| 1313 | She was always disciplined in | 她总是纪律严明 |
| 1314 | our workouts, but not as much in her work. | 我们的锻炼, 但不是在她的工作。 |
| 1315 | And that shifted for her. | 也为她转移了 |
| 1316 | Now she's extremely productive | 现在她很有生产力 |
| 1317 | and effective and all the rest of them very happy about it. | 和有效, 和所有其他人对此非常高兴。 |
| 1318 | But that changed. | 但情况发生了变化。 |
| 1319 | She had a lot of | 她有很多东西 |
| 1320 | friends who didn't react well to that. | 朋友们对此反应不大 |
| 1321 | And I think that's what people are scared of. | 我想这就是人们害怕的。 |
| 1322 | Does that make | 这是否意味着 |
| 1323 | sense? | 感觉呢? |
| 1324 | Oh, yeah, I completely identify with that on so many levels. | 哦,是的,我完全认同 在许多层面。 |
| 1325 | So first, I think anyone who's | 所以,首先,我认为任何人谁 |
| 1326 | ever given up drinking has had this exact thing play out. | 曾经放弃喝酒 有过这个具体的事情了。 |
| 1327 | Where everyone in your life suddenly | 你生命中的每个人突然间 |
| 1328 | says like, Come on, like you're a party man. | 说,来吧,就像你是一个党人。 |
| 1329 | Like what's going on with you? | 就像你发生了什么事? |
| 1330 | Like you're not going | 就像你不去一样 |
| 1331 | to be fun anymore. | 成为有趣的了。 |
| 1332 | And then you have to like, create this new identity of someone who still | 然后,你必须喜欢, 创造这个新的身份 一个人仍然 |
| 1333 | has friends, but doesn't drink. | 有朋友,但不会喝酒。 |
| 1334 | The thing that was really resonant about that for me was that | 对于我来说,最令人反感的是 |
| 1335 | so for a long time, I identified as someone who would almost certainly be a bad mom. | 所以很长一段时间以来 我确认一个人 几乎肯定是一个坏妈妈。 |
| 1336 | I was like, | 我当时想, |
| 1337 | I am the kind of person who if I ever have a kid, I would mess up my kid because I would be such | 我是那种人 如果我有孩子,我会搞砸我的孩子 因为我会这样 |
| 1338 | a bad mom. | 一个坏妈妈。 |
| 1339 | I'm not fit to have kids. | 我不适合有孩子。 |
| 1340 | I just had this story about myself that like, I can't do it, | 我刚刚有个关于我自己的故事 我做不到 |
| 1341 | even though I kind of wanted to do it. | 尽管我有点想这么做 |
| 1342 | But I was like, No, no, no, like it's not for me. | 但我喜欢,不,不,不, 好像它不适合我。 |
| 1343 | I'm not a | 我不是一个 |
| 1344 | kid person, right? | 年轻人,对不对? |
| 1345 | And people kind of reinforce this in my life. | 人们会加强我的人生 |
| 1346 | So I remember when I got pregnant, | 我记得我怀孕时 |
| 1347 | my mom told me, I can't imagine you as a mother. | 我妈妈告诉我,我不能想象你是一个母亲。 |
| 1348 | And I think for me, there was like some comfort | 我觉得对我来说,好像有些安慰 |
| 1349 | in that because like having a child is scary. | 因为像生孩子一样很可怕 |
| 1350 | And I'm not saying that everyone should or anything | 我不是说每个人都应该什么的 |
| 1351 | like that. | 像这样 |
| 1352 | But it is a big leap. | 但它是一个大跃进。 |
| 1353 | It's like it feels like a big, it is a huge change in your life. | 这感觉就像一个巨大的, 这是一个巨大的改变 你的生活。 |
| 1354 | And | 还有 |
| 1355 | it's a big decision to make. | 这决定很重要 |
| 1356 | It really like that fear, I was kind of explaining it away by like, | 这真的像那种恐惧, 我有点解释它的方式像, |
| 1357 | I don't need to make this decision because I won't be a good mom anyway. | 我不需要做这个决定 因为我不会是一个好妈妈。 |
| 1358 | That totally has not | 这完全没有 |
| 1359 | played out. | 玩得很开心 |
| 1360 | Like I'm a great mom. | 像我是一个伟大的妈妈。 |
| 1361 | Like I love my son and I adore him. | 就像我爱我儿子,我爱他 |
| 1362 | The stuff that I thought I | 我所认为的东西 |
| 1363 | wouldn't like about it is the stuff I like the most. | 我最喜欢的就是这些 |
| 1364 | The stuff that I thought I would be best | 那些我认为我是最好的东西 |
| 1365 | at is like, I actually don't find that enjoyable. | 我其实不觉得好玩 |
| 1366 | I always ask myself, like, why did I tell myself | 我总是问自己 为什么我告诉自己 |
| 1367 | for so long that I was certain to be a certain way or that I'm just like doomed to be a bad mom? | 如此之久,我确信 一定是一个特定的方式 还是我就像 注定是一个坏妈妈? |
| 1368 | I think we get that way about so many things in our lives. | 我想我们的生活里有很多事情 |
| 1369 | And it's counterproductive. | 且其逆顺. |
| 1370 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1371 | And it's hard because at one point it's hard because there's a sense of honesty and | 很难 因为有一点很难 因为有诚实感 |
| 1372 | self-awareness at a point in time. | 自我意识在某一时刻。 |
| 1373 | It's when that story becomes finite and fatalistic that | 当那个故事变成 有限和宿命主义 |
| 1374 | it becomes dangerous. | 它变得危险。 |
| 1375 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 1376 | There have been points in my life where, | 我生命中一直有一点 |
| 1377 | me saying I'm just not the type of entrepreneur | 我说我不是那种企业家 |
| 1378 | that goes on vacation right now has served me. | 现在去度假已经为我服务了 |
| 1379 | But if I'm the entrepreneur forever | 但如果我永远是企业家 |
| 1380 | that never goes on vacation, that is gonna hurt me. | 那永远不会去度假, 那会伤害我。 |
| 1381 | And so I think it's that nuanced balance | 所以我觉得这是细微的平衡 |
| 1382 | between how is this self-awareness | 如何是自我意识 |
| 1383 | but not a self-defeating story. | 但不是自负的故事 |
| 1384 | That's a really hard balance for people to toggle almost | 这对人们来说是很难做到的 |
| 1385 | because it requires so much awareness, honesty, | 因为它需要这么多的认识,诚实, |
| 1386 | not falling into the extremes. | 不要陷入极端。 |
| 1387 | It just requires, I don't even know what the right word is. | 它只是要求, 我什至不知道 什么是正确的词。 |
| 1388 | Maybe it's maturity. | 也许是成熟了 |
| 1389 | It requires such a maturity to be able to hold an idea | 它需要这样一个成熟 能够持有一个想法 |
| 1390 | and not make it your identity, if that makes sense. | 如果这有道理的话 也不要让它成为你的身份 |
| 1391 | Oh yeah. | 对 |
| 1392 | And the thing you have to keep in mind | 还有你必须记住的事 |
| 1393 | is that people and situations will bring things out in you | 人和情况会给你带来东西 |
| 1394 | that you didn't think were there. | 你不认为在那里。 |
| 1395 | Like very few people before they've ever had a baby | 就像很少人生过孩子 |
| 1396 | like are naturally baby people. | 像自然是婴儿的人。 |
| 1397 | Yeah, makes sense. | 是啊,这是有道理的。 |
| 1398 | And first of all, they're only a baby for a year | 首先,他们只是婴儿一年 |
| 1399 | so you don't even really have to worry about it that much. | 所以,你甚至没有真的 担心它这么多。 |
| 1400 | But I kind of surprised myself that like, | 但我有点惊讶自己喜欢, |
| 1401 | we bring this little bundle home, a couple of months go by | 我们带这个小包回家 几个月过去了 |
| 1402 | they start kind of being more interactive | 他们开始比较互动 |
| 1403 | and smiley and stuff. | 和微笑之类的东西。 |
| 1404 | And you do, you start singing baby beluga | 你唱,你开始唱婴儿白露藻 |
| 1405 | and cooing at them and cuddling. | 并拥抱他们, |
| 1406 | You start doing all this stuff | 你开始做这些事情 |
| 1407 | because as you take on social roles | 因为当你扮演社会角色时 |
| 1408 | or as you kind of pursue goals that are important to you, | 或者当你追求对你很重要的目标时 |
| 1409 | you kind of find things within yourself | 那种你发现的东西在自己内部 |
| 1410 | that you didn't think were there before. | 之前你以为不存在 |
| 1411 | Like we kind of have these like latent traits | 就像我们有这种潜在的特质 |
| 1412 | that come out when the moment is right. | 当时机成熟时出来 |
| 1413 | So even if like you don't think of yourself | 所以即使你没想过自己 |
| 1414 | as a certain kind of person, | 作为某种人, |
| 1415 | you might surprise yourself when that situation comes up. | 你可能会惊讶自己 当情况出现。 |
| 1416 | Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out. | 是啊,这就是我想弄清楚的。 |
| 1417 | It's almost not like, because you can't live this | 这几乎不是那样的,因为你无法忍受这个 |
| 1418 | kind of willy-nilly approach to life of just, | 那种轻率地对待 公正的生活, |
| 1419 | oh, it doesn't matter, I'll figure it out when I get there | 哦,没关系,我到那里后再想 |
| 1420 | because that could be dangerous. | 因为这可能很危险 |
| 1421 | And then at the same time, you can't be the over planner | 同时,你也不能成为计划员 |
| 1422 | and the overwhelmed person | 和被压迫的人, |
| 1423 | who's trying to get every meticulous detail right of it | 谁在试图 得到每一个细微的细节 |
| 1424 | because certain skills are only gonna come up in the moment. | 因为现在才有技能 |
| 1425 | What is that balance called? | 这算什么平衡? |
| 1426 | Is there even a word for it? | 连个词都没有? |
| 1427 | I think this is called social investment theory, | 我觉得这叫做社会投资理论 |
| 1428 | but it's essentially this idea | 但其实就是这个主意 |
| 1429 | that over time situations do change us. | 随着时间的推移,情况确实改变了我们。 |
| 1430 | Like there've been studies that found that as people | 就像有研究发现,作为人 |
| 1431 | get a job that they're really interested in | 找份他们真正感兴趣的工作 |
| 1432 | and become really committed to, | 并真正致力于, |
| 1433 | they become more conscientious naturally. | 他们自然而然地更加自觉。 |
| 1434 | Of course, they're like learning the skill | 当然,他们就像学习技能 |
| 1435 | in order to do it for their job. | 为了他们的工作 |
| 1436 | After people fall in love, | 人们相爱后 |
| 1437 | they've done studies that found that they become more extroverted | 他们的研究发现 他们变得更加外向 |
| 1438 | and more agreeable because your partner | 因为你的搭档 |
| 1439 | is bringing out those qualities in you. | 你身上的这些品质 |
| 1440 | They're kind of highlighting these good parts of you | 他们有点强调你的这些好部分 |
| 1441 | and saying, look, luckily you have this in you. | 并说,你看,幸运的是,你有这个在你身上。 |
| 1442 | And I think that's really cool. | 我觉得这真的很酷。 |
| 1443 | I think it's good to know that as you take on these roles, | 我很高兴知道 当你扮演这些角色时 |
| 1444 | eventually over time, it's gonna be gradual, | 最终会逐渐的 |
| 1445 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你会变形来迎接这个时刻 | |
| 1446 | And you have to want to do it. | 而你必须想要做到这一点。 |
| 1447 | There's a lot of parents out there who could probably stand | 外面有很多父母 他们可能可以忍受 |
| 1448 | to put more of a concerted effort into it, | 做出更多协调一致的努力, |
| 1449 | but I do think it's hopeful that situations | 但我确实认为这是充满希望的情况 |
| 1450 | will bring out qualities in us. | 将给我们带来品质。 |
| 1451 | How does this work apply to people in relationships | 这项工作如何适用于关系中的人? |
| 1452 | where they want their partner to change | 他们希望伴侣改变 |
| 1453 | and you'll hear someone go, I just see their potential. | 你会听到有人走了,我只看到他们的潜力。 |
| 1454 | I knew, I know who they could be. | 我知道,我知道他们是谁。 |
| 1455 | They could really get it together, | 他们真的可以凑合起来的 |
| 1456 | but they don't see it in themselves. | 但他们自己看不到 |
| 1457 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1458 | If someone's thinking that way, | 如果有人这样想 |
| 1459 | how would you encourage them to think about change? | 你会如何鼓励他们考虑改变? |
| 1460 | I really wish I had written a chapter of this book | 我真希望我写了这本书的一章 |
| 1461 | called How to Change Your Partner | 如何改变你的搭档 |
| 1462 | because every single interviewer has asked me that question | 因为每个采访者都问我这个问题 |
| 1463 | and I don't really have a good answer | 我也没有一个好答案 |
| 1464 | because we haven't really studied how to change other people. | 因为我们没有真正研究 如何改变别人。 |
| 1465 | This is the brick wall that all of society | 这是全社会的砖墙 |
| 1466 | bangs their head against, | 撞着他们的头 |
| 1467 | which is that we all wish our partners were a certain way | 也就是我们都希望我们的伙伴们是某种方式 |
| 1468 | and that our partners are never gonna be that way completely. | 而我们的合作伙伴永远不会完全如此 |
| 1469 | So first of all, any profound and serious change over time | 所以,首先,任何深刻和严重的变化 随着时间的推移 |
| 1470 | has to come from within, right? | 必须来自内部,对不对? |
| 1471 | If you really wanna make someone less anxious saying, | 如果你真的想让别人 更不急于说, |
| 1472 | just calm down, stop worrying, it doesn't work. | 冷静点,别担心,这样不行 |
| 1473 | They have to wanna be less anxious. | 他们必须减少焦虑 |
| 1474 | For some of the skills though, or for some of the traits, | 但对于一些技能, 或一些特征, |
| 1475 | it can be something where maybe you introduce your partner | 也许可以让你介绍你的搭档 |
| 1476 | to some of the tools | 对一些工具 |
| 1477 | that will help them be more conscientious. | 这会帮助他们更加自觉。 |
| 1478 | Maybe you start an exercise program together, for example. | 比如说你们一起开始一个运动程序 |
| 1479 | Maybe you start, hey, let's both set a time every week | 或许你开始吧,嘿,我们每周都安排一次 |
| 1480 | where we're gonna sync up our calendars | 我们在哪里会同步我们的日历 |
| 1481 | and figure out who needs to be where when. | 并找出谁需要在哪里何时。 |
| 1482 | You can do these like little tools and strategies | 你可以做这些 像小工具和策略 |
| 1483 | to kind of move them closer, | 使他们更加亲近, |
| 1484 | especially to conscientiousness. | 特别是出于良心 |
| 1485 | This has been found to work well | 已经发现这很有效 |
| 1486 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}就像你在后台上一样 | |
| 1487 | and it just kind of works. | 它只是有点工作。 |
| 1488 | They don't have to really want it. | 他们不需要真的想要它。 |
| 1489 | It's hard because in order to keep that going, | 这很难 因为为了保持这个过程 |
| 1490 | in order to go on a run without you, | 为了在没有你的情况下逃跑 |
| 1491 | they have to want to do it. | 他们必须这样做。 |
| 1492 | People want different things in life. | 人们希望生活中有不同的东西. |
| 1493 | That's like part of what motivates personality change | 这就像促使人格改变的一部分 |
| 1494 | and what motivates everything else. | 是什么激励了其他一切。 |
| 1495 | You could try asking them if they seem to be | 你可以试着问他们 如果他们似乎 |
| 1496 | living in accordance with their values. | 根据他们的价值观生活。 |
| 1497 | It's like, hey, you said that you really wanted | 就像,嘿,你说 你真的想要 |
| 1498 | to exercise this year and we haven't done anything in weeks. | 我们几周没做任何事了 |
| 1499 | Do you feel like we're exercising enough? | 你觉得我们锻炼够了吗? |
| 1500 | Like you could do some motivational interviewing. | 就像你可以做一些激励性面试。 |
| 1501 | But ultimately, people have to find it in themselves | 但归根结底,人们必须自己找到它 |
| 1502 | to do the things that are good for them. | 做一些对他们有益的事 |
| 1503 | Yeah, people don't change for people. | 是啊,人不会为人而改变。 |
| 1504 | No. | 没有 |
| 1505 | They change for themselves. | 他们为自己而改变。 |
| 1506 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 1507 | And they change when they want to, | 当他们想改变时, |
| 1508 | they change how they want to, | 他们改变自己的想法, |
| 1509 | and they change at their pace and their time. | 他们依自己的速度和时间而变化。 |
| 1510 | And this idea that you have the power to change anyone, | 你有权改变任何人 |
| 1511 | if you just stop for a moment and thought about | 如果你停下来一阵子想 |
| 1512 | how hard it's been to change yourself, | 改变自己有多难 |
| 1513 | you'd immediately realize that you have zero power | 你会立刻意识到你没有力量 |
| 1514 | over anyone else. | 超过任何人。 |
| 1515 | And the reason why you're being asked about everyone | 你被问及每个人的原因 |
| 1516 | is because I think it's the biggest myth | 因为我认为这是最大的神话 |
| 1517 | because we think that if we can see someone's potential, | 因为我们觉得如果我们能看到某人的潜力 |
| 1518 | we can change them. | 我们可以改变它们。 |
| 1519 | We think that if we can see someone's amazing future, | 我们认为如果我们能看到某人的奇妙未来 |
| 1520 | we can change them. | 我们可以改变它们。 |
| 1521 | And we think if we can see what someone could be | 我们想,如果我们能看到 什么样的人 |
| 1522 | and achieve that we're somehow holier than them | 我们比他们更神圣 |
| 1523 | for seeing that, | 因为看到这一点, |
| 1524 | and we think of it as well-intentioned, | 我们以为那是善意的, |
| 1525 | but actually it's not because well-intention means | 但其实不是因为好意 |
| 1526 | I let you become who you want to become, | 我让你成为你想成为的人 |
| 1527 | and I accept that that's who you are. | 我承认这就是你 |
| 1528 | And sometimes it's painful because you can truly see | 有时候很痛苦 因为你能真正看到 |
| 1529 | what someone's capable of, | 一个人的能力, |
| 1530 | and that can be well-intentioned, | 这确是善意的, |
| 1531 | but until they really believe they want that for themselves, | 但直到他们真正相信 他们希望自己, |
| 1532 | it really doesn't matter. | 这真的没关系。 |
| 1533 | And that is one of the most painful things to watch | 这是最痛苦的事情之一 |
| 1534 | is someone lose out on their potential. | 有人失去了他们的潜力。 |
| 1535 | Yeah, I mean, and you can talk to any relative of an addict | 我是说 你可以跟瘾君子的亲戚谈谈 |
| 1536 | or anyone who sees a clear path for someone | 或为别人看见一条明路的人, |
| 1537 | and they won't take it. | 他们不会接受的。 |
| 1538 | It's very hard to make other people do things | 很难让别人做事 |
| 1539 | that you think are good. | 你觉得很好 |
| 1540 | How does someone who's more pessimistic and negative | 更悲观和消极的人 |
| 1541 | and is listening to us right now and thinking, | 并且正在听我们说话 并思考, |
| 1542 | Olga, I want to become more of an optimistic | 奥尔加,我想更加乐观 |
| 1543 | or at least realistic person, where do I start? | 或者至少现实的人, 我从哪里开始? |
| 1544 | How does that personality change look? | 性格如何改变? |
| 1545 | Well, you've come to the right place | 你来对地方了 |
| 1546 | because I am very negative and pessimistic. | 因为我非常消极和悲观。 |
| 1547 | I would say I still am, even despite this huge project | 尽管这个大项目,我还是要说 |
| 1548 | that I did where I really, really tried to change myself. | 我做了我真正, 真正试图改变自己。 |
| 1549 | So something that I came across | 我发现的东西 |
| 1550 | that was really helpful for this | 这真的有帮助 |
| 1551 | is the work of Tracy Dennis Tawari, | 是崔西·丹尼斯·塔瓦里的作品 |
| 1552 | who's a psychologist who studies anxiety. | 他是一个心理学家 谁研究焦虑。 |
| 1553 | And a big thing, kind of an idea that I had about my anxiety | 还有一件大事 我对我的焦虑有个想法 |
| 1554 | was that I need anxiety to kind of help me avoid bad stuff. | 我需要焦虑来帮我避免坏事 |
| 1555 | I will screw up and not get where I need to be | 我会把事情搞砸,不会得到我该去的地方 |
| 1556 | or mess things up unless I stay really anxious and vigilant. | 或把事情搞砸,除非我保持 真正的焦虑和警惕。 |
| 1557 | And eventually what that would do | 最终会怎么样 |
| 1558 | is turn into just constantly worrying | 变成一直担心的 |
| 1559 | and constantly being in a negative space | 在阴暗的空间中, |
| 1560 | where I was never really enjoying anything | 我从来没有真正享受过什么 |
| 1561 | because I was worrying about the next thing. | 因为我担心接下来的事 |
| 1562 | So anxiety, you can worry. | 所以焦虑,你可以担心。 |
| 1563 | You can think about the things that could go wrong. | 你可以考虑那些可能出错的事 |
| 1564 | If you're putting in an offer on a house | 如果你在房子上开价 |
| 1565 | or trying to get a new job or whatever you're doing, | 或者想找份新工作 或者你在做什么 |
| 1566 | you can think about like, | 你可以考虑... |
| 1567 | oh, how could this interview go wrong, right? | 哦,这面试怎么会出错,对不对? |
| 1568 | But also think about how it could go right. | 也考虑一下怎样才能正确 |
| 1569 | Really most things in life, | 生活中的很多东西 |
| 1570 | some things go wrong and some things go right, | 有些事情不对劲 有些事情不对劲 |
| 1571 | like what we were saying earlier. | 就像我们刚才说的 |
| 1572 | And you can actually make a list of your worries | 你其实可以列出你的担心 |
| 1573 | of things that could go wrong with this, | 可能出错的事情, |
| 1574 | but then make another column of things | 然后再造一列东西 |
| 1575 | that could go right with this. | 那样就可以了 |
| 1576 | And how will I try to move more of these | 我将如何尝试移动更多的这些 |
| 1577 | into this other column? | 进入另一栏? |
| 1578 | Because it is, it's unrealistic | 因为它是,这是不现实的 |
| 1579 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}只考虑消极因素 | |
| 1580 | because some amount of things will go well. | 因为有些事情会顺利的 |
| 1581 | Or even if some of those bad things happen, | 即使有些坏事发生 |
| 1582 | there might be good in them | 他们也许有好的一面 |
| 1583 | or things that are maybe not so bad as you feared. | 或事情也许没那么糟糕 你担心。 |
| 1584 | So I would just, I call it reverse worrying. | 所以我叫它反向担忧 |
| 1585 | And it's just, it's not just like positive thinking. | 而只是,这不仅仅是像积极的想法。 |
| 1586 | I'm sure everything will be fine. | 我相信一切都会好起来的 |
| 1587 | It's just some things will be fine. | 只是有些事情会好起来的 |
| 1588 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1589 | And I like the idea of consciously having | 我喜欢有意识地拥有 |
| 1590 | to think about those. | 想想这些。 |
| 1591 | Again, it's just rewiring those thoughts | 再说一遍,只是把那些想法重现 |
| 1592 | that are so habituated to constantly pull you | 如此习惯于不断拉动你 |
| 1593 | in that negative cycle. | 在消极的循环中。 |
| 1594 | And you're right, it isn't this false toxic positivity | 你说的对,这不是假的毒性 |
| 1595 | because that isn't helpful or healthy at all. | 因为这根本无济于事 |
| 1596 | And it does take a lot of practice and repetition | 这需要很多练习和重复 |
| 1597 | because yeah, you're likely to wake up in the morning | 因为是的,你很可能早上醒来 |
| 1598 | and the first thought you have is, oh, I'm so tired. | 你第一个想法是 我太累了 |
| 1599 | Just don't want to get out of bed. | 只是不想从床上下来 |
| 1600 | And so your first thought of the day | 所以你对今天的初衷 |
| 1601 | is a negative pessimistic one, | 是一个负面的悲观, |
| 1602 | as opposed to an optimistic, thoughtful one of, | 而不是一个乐观的,深思熟虑的, |
| 1603 | all right, I'm glad I got six hours last night, you know, | 好吧 我很高兴我昨晚有六个小时 |
| 1604 | or okay, well, yeah, I didn't get enough sleep last night. | 我昨晚睡得不够 |
| 1605 | Let me get a bed early tonight. | 我今晚早点睡吧 |
| 1606 | Whatever that may be could make the shift. | 不管有什么变化 |
| 1607 | What about someone who's feeling like | 那一个感觉像 |
| 1608 | they're a people pleaser and they want to set boundaries, | 他们是一个人民取悦 他们想要划定界限, |
| 1609 | but they struggle with it because they're scared | 却因为害怕而挣扎 |
| 1610 | of being seen as selfish or assertive. | 被视作自私或自信。 |
| 1611 | How did they start making that shift? | 他们是如何开始做这种转变的? |
| 1612 | I've really had to apply this with parenting, | 我不得不用这个来做父母 |
| 1613 | but you can kind of, in a way, | 但你可以在某种程度上 |
| 1614 | you can kind of parent people around you, not literally, | 你可以做父母 而不是从字面上 |
| 1615 | but you can kind of like use some of the tools | 但你可以喜欢使用一些工具 |
| 1616 | from parenting with other people, | 从父母与他人, |
| 1617 | which is make people feel heard. | 这让人感觉有耳闻 |
| 1618 | Like if someone's upset with you about something, | 就像有人对你有些不高兴一样 |
| 1619 | to give you an example, | 以你们为例, |
| 1620 | I had a friend who texted me to say that she wanted me | 我有个朋友给我发短信 说她想要我 |
| 1621 | to check in with her via text message at least once a week | 每周至少一次通过短信联系她 |
| 1622 | and that we were not going to be friends | 我们不会成为朋友 |
| 1623 | unless I text check-in with her once a week. | 除非我每周给她发一次短信 |
| 1624 | And I don't like texting. | 我不喜欢发短信 |
| 1625 | It's a very like a scheduling platform for me, | 这是一个非常像 排程平台对我来说, |
| 1626 | not a like emotional one, and I just don't like it. | 不是那种感情上的人 我只是不喜欢 |
| 1627 | And so at the time I sort of was like, | 所以当时我有点像, |
| 1628 | because it was before this project, I was like, | 因为在这个项目之前 我就想 |
| 1629 | oh, of course, I'll do whatever you want. | 哦,当然,我会做任何你想要的。 |
| 1630 | People please, right? | 人们请,对不对? |
| 1631 | I'll text you every week. | 我每周都会给你发短信 |
| 1632 | And of course I did it twice and then forgot | 当然,我做了两次,然后忘了 |
| 1633 | because I don't actually like doing it. | 因为我不喜欢这样做。 |
| 1634 | So what I learned from Miriam Kurmeier, | 我从米里亚姆·库尔迈耶那里学到的 |
| 1635 | who's like a friendship expert, | 像一个友谊专家, |
| 1636 | is you can say like, hey, I hear you. | 你能说,嘿,我听到你。 |
| 1637 | You feel like I'm not checking in with you enough. | 你感觉我还没跟你联系够 |
| 1638 | You feel like we're not connected. | 你觉得我们之间没有联系 |
| 1639 | I totally get that. | 我完全明白这一点。 |
| 1640 | The thing is I really don't like texting people | 问题是我真的不喜欢给别人发短信 |
| 1641 | in order to have conversations. | 为了有谈话。 |
| 1642 | It interrupts my workflow. | 它打断了我的工作流程。 |
| 1643 | Is there another way that we can do this | 还有别的办法可以做到吗? |
| 1644 | that will meet your underlying need | 满足你的基本需要 |
| 1645 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}在这种友谊中被看到 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}被检查 | |
| 1646 | and going through this hard thing, | 并经历这个艰难的事情, |
| 1647 | with me checking on you, | 我检查你, |
| 1648 | but not require me to use this platform | 但不要求我用这个平台 |
| 1649 | that I really don't like to do this thing | 我真的不喜欢这样做 |
| 1650 | that I really feel like it's not well-equipped for? | 我真的觉得它不合适吗? |
| 1651 | Maybe we could schedule a weekly phone call. | 也许我们可以安排每周的电话 |
| 1652 | Maybe we could go for a walk. | 也许我们可以去散步。 |
| 1653 | Maybe we could do this other list of activities. | 也许我们可以做其他的活动 |
| 1654 | There's almost always a solution like that | 几乎总有这样的办法 |
| 1655 | where you're meeting the underlying need, | 在那里你正在满足 基本的需求, |
| 1656 | but you're not doing it in this way | 但你没有这样做 |
| 1657 | that is like not workable for you. | 这对你来说是行不通的。 |
| 1658 | I love that because it is an underlying need. | 我喜欢它,因为它是一个根本的需要。 |
| 1659 | That person doesn't really want a text every week. | 那个人每周都不想要短信 |
| 1660 | No. | 没有 |
| 1661 | That's them trying to find the bare minimum way | 他们就是想找到最简单的办法 |
| 1662 | to keep you in their life. | 让你留在他们的生活中 |
| 1663 | That's really what they're doing is, | 这就是他们在做什么, |
| 1664 | what's the least I can ask for | 我至少能问什么 |
| 1665 | to try and keep this person alive in my life? | 试图让这个人在我生命中活着? |
| 1666 | But what I actually want is a really meaningful conversation | 但我真正想要的是一个真正有意义的对话 |
| 1667 | once a month on the phone or in person, | 每月一次电话或亲自通话, |
| 1668 | where we go out for dinner or have tea or whatever it may be. | 我们出去吃晚饭或者喝茶,或者什么的 |
| 1669 | And that's what I'm really looking for. | 这就是我真正想要的。 |
| 1670 | And I think the more our relationships | 我觉得我们的关系越多 |
| 1671 | go to solving the underlying need, | 解决基本需要, |
| 1672 | the less bitter we'll feel around, | 越少的苦,我们会觉得周围, |
| 1673 | hey, but I texted you every week | 嘿,但我每星期给你发短信 |
| 1674 | and you still don't feel close to me. | 你仍然感觉不亲近我 |
| 1675 | I remember one of my friends said to me, | 我记得我的朋友对我说 |
| 1676 | she said, I just don't spend any time with my partner. | 她说,我只是不花任何时间 与我的伴侣。 |
| 1677 | And I said, well, he just told me | 我说,他只是告诉我 |
| 1678 | you guys went away last weekend. | 你们上周走了 |
| 1679 | And she said, yeah, but he was reading a book | 她说,是的,但他在读一本书 |
| 1680 | or the news or whatever it was. | 或新闻或什么的。 |
| 1681 | And I was trying to entertain the kids | 我试图娱乐孩子们 |
| 1682 | and we didn't spend any time together. | 我们没有花任何时间在一起。 |
| 1683 | And I was like, well, the underlying need is | 我当时想,嗯,基本需要是 |
| 1684 | alone time, presence, connection. | 独处时间,存在,连接。 |
| 1685 | It's not time. | 现在不是时间。 |
| 1686 | You did have time together. | 你们确实有时间在一起。 |
| 1687 | You were both in the same place at the same time, | 你们同时在同一地点 |
| 1688 | but the underlying need is wanting connection | 但根本的需要是需要连接 |
| 1689 | in a safe space. | 在一个安全的空间。 |
| 1690 | And probably, and it's asking that person, | 很可能,它问那个人, |
| 1691 | what is the underlying need? | 根本需求是什么? |
| 1692 | And all of a sudden you start to realize it's eye contact. | 突然间你意识到这是眼睛接触。 |
| 1693 | It's vulnerability. | 即是虚弱. |
| 1694 | It's being able to share something | 它能够分享一些东西 |
| 1695 | that I've been struggling with. | 我一直在挣扎。 |
| 1696 | And I find that no one ever communicates that. | 我发现没人会说这个 |
| 1697 | We always communicate as like, | 我们总是像交流一样 |
| 1698 | oh, can we just see each other once a week? | 哦,我们能不能每周见一次面? |
| 1699 | And that's not really what you're looking for. | 这其实不是你想要的 |
| 1700 | Yeah, and this also works, I found, | 是啊,这也工作,我发现, |
| 1701 | with political disagreements. | 与政治分歧。 |
| 1702 | So when someone just comes at you, | 所以当有人来找你时 |
| 1703 | I have people in my life who I really disagree with | 我生命中有我不同意的人 |
| 1704 | politically on very important issues. | 在政治上,在非常重要的问题上。 |
| 1705 | When someone comes at you and just starts ranting at you | 当有人冲你过来 对你大吼大叫 |
| 1706 | about their worldview that you don't agree with, | 关于他们的世界观 你不同意, |
| 1707 | often it's because they are making a bid for connection. | 经常是因为他们在争取连接 |
| 1708 | They're like, hey, this thing is so important to me. | 他们喜欢,嘿, 这件事对我很重要。 |
| 1709 | Is it important to you too? | 这对你也很重要吗? |
| 1710 | They're trying to get you into their world. | 他们试图让你进入他们的世界。 |
| 1711 | And once you see that, it becomes less about | 一旦你看到,它变得更少 |
| 1712 | this person is my political enemy | 这个人是我的政治敌人 |
| 1713 | and more about this person wants to establish a friendship. | 这个人更想建立友谊 |
| 1714 | Let's find something else to base it on | 我们找别的东西做基础 |
| 1715 | because we don't agree on this. | 因为我们不同意这一点。 |
| 1716 | But it can become almost like a friendly thing | 但它可能变得几乎 像友好的事情 |
| 1717 | as opposed to this political fight. | 而不是这种政治斗争。 |
| 1718 | That's a really beautiful, nuanced point | 这是一个非常漂亮,细微的点 |
| 1719 | of if you notice people's conversations | 如果你注意到人们的谈话 |
| 1720 | as a expression of them inviting you into their world, | 他们邀请你进入他们的世界, |
| 1721 | which is often what it is, | 这常常是, |
| 1722 | you start realizing it's actually not that much of a, | 你开始意识到这其实不是太多的a, |
| 1723 | it doesn't have some deep agenda or something. | 它没有什么深层的议程什么的。 |
| 1724 | It's just them saying, this is what I think about. | 只是他们说, 这就是我的想法。 |
| 1725 | It's really tough because we're all so busy | 实在是太难了,因为我们都很忙 |
| 1726 | and moving so fast that when you see something | 移动如此之快 当你看到一些东西 |
| 1727 | you don't like or doesn't, | 你不喜欢或不喜欢, |
| 1728 | and I think that's what we've got to in society today | 我想这就是我们今天在社会上必须做的 |
| 1729 | is if I see a message or someone posts something | 如果我看到消息或有人贴出什么 |
| 1730 | on their stories that I don't like, | 他们的故事 我不喜欢, |
| 1731 | I start labeling them as someone | 我开始把他们贴成一个人 |
| 1732 | that I don't wanna interact with | 我不想与你互动 |
| 1733 | rather than seeing that person as just a human | 而不是把那个人看成人类 |
| 1734 | who's expressing their thoughts, beliefs, | 他们表达他们的想法,信仰, |
| 1735 | and things they're interested in. | 他们感兴趣的事 |
| 1736 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 1737 | And we just don't have the timing capacity for that. | 而我们只是没有 时间能力。 |
| 1738 | I was gonna ask, can an introvert | 我本来想问的,能不能做个内向 |
| 1739 | actually become an extrovert if they want to? | 如果他们想成为外向者? |
| 1740 | So I think they can, | 所以我认为他们可以, |
| 1741 | but I would recommend against thinking of yourself | 但我建议不要考虑你自己 |
| 1742 | as a pure introvert or extrovert. | 作为纯粹的内向或外向. |
| 1743 | It's really uncommon to be all the way to one end | 一直走到一端真不寻常 |
| 1744 | or the other of introversion and extroversion. | 或者是另一个内向和外向 |
| 1745 | Let's say you are quite introverted though, | 假设你很有内向 |
| 1746 | like you would basically consider yourself | 就像你基本上会考虑自己 |
| 1747 | almost all the way introverted. | 几乎都是内向的 |
| 1748 | I think it is possible to become extroverted, | 我认为它有可能 变得外向, |
| 1749 | but it's gonna take a lot of work. | 但这需要很多工作。 |
| 1750 | It's gonna take a lot of effort. | 将须大力. |
| 1751 | I think I kind of realized that I was more extroverted | 我想我有点意识到 我更外向 |
| 1752 | than I maybe was thinking at the beginning of this project. | 比起这个项目开始时我想的还要多 |
| 1753 | Like I kind of found that when I didn't go to improv, | 就像我发现,当我没有去即兴表演, |
| 1754 | I would really miss it. | 我真的会想念它。 |
| 1755 | Or when I didn't go to my little silly meetups, | 或者当我没有去 我的小愚蠢的聚会, |
| 1756 | I was kind of like, the weekend felt a little empty. | 周末感觉有点空虚 |
| 1757 | So I would kind of avoid categorizing yourself | 所以我会避免把自己分类 |
| 1758 | and I would just see what it feels like | 我就会看看是什么感觉 |
| 1759 | to have more social interaction than you're used to. | 拥有比以前更多的社会互动 |
| 1760 | But let's say it doesn't feel amazing. | 但是,让我们假设它不觉得惊人。 |
| 1761 | Let's say it is actually quite exhausting | 这么说吧 实在太累人了 |
| 1762 | and you're like, I do need that quiet time alone | 而你喜欢,我确实需要 安静的时间孤独 |
| 1763 | to recharge. | 去充电。 |
| 1764 | There's this concept called free traits | 有个概念叫做自由的特质 |
| 1765 | that some psychologists have, | 一些心理学家, |
| 1766 | which is that rather than permanently changing | 而不是永久改变 |
| 1767 | to where it's like, I'm a total extrovert | 我是一个完全的外向者 |
| 1768 | in every situation, I wanna talk to people, | 在每一个情况, 我想与人交谈, |
| 1769 | you kind of learn the ability to kind of try on | 你学会了尝试的能力 |
| 1770 | this personality trait. | 这种个性特质。 |
| 1771 | It's almost like an invisibility cloak or something | 就像隐形的外衣之类的 |
| 1772 | where you can kind of put on extroversion | 在那里,你可以 某种地进行外向 |
| 1773 | and then do whatever it is you need to do | 然后做你该做的 |
| 1774 | with that extroversion. | 与这种外向。 |
| 1775 | So a lot of times college professors will do this | 所以很多时候大学教授会这么做 |
| 1776 | because they have to give these interesting lectures. | 因为他们必须给这些有趣的讲座。 |
| 1777 | But the way they got to where they are | 但是,他们的方式 他们得到了他们在哪里 |
| 1778 | is because they're good at reading papers | 因为他们擅长阅读论文 |
| 1779 | for 12 hours at a time. | 一次12小时。 |
| 1780 | So they're usually, they are pretty introverted | 所以他们通常都相当内向 |
| 1781 | 还有Brian Little 他确实说过 | |
| 1782 | that he puts on extroversion. | 他把外泄。 |
| 1783 | He puts on the free trait of extroversion, | 他把自由的外向特征, |
| 1784 | goes out and gives his lecture | 出去讲课 |
| 1785 | and then he has to go hide by himself. | 然后他必须自己躲起来 |
| 1786 | He can't stay in that room in glad hand. | 他不能在那个房间里呆着 快乐的手。 |
| 1787 | He has to go retreat and kind of restore | 他必须撤退,恢复原貌 |
| 1788 | to his introversion. | 他的内向。 |
| 1789 | So that's another way to think about it. | 所以这是另一种思考方法。 |
| 1790 | I think that's still personality change | 我觉得这还是个性改变 |
| 1791 | because it's still allowing you to meet your goals | 因为它仍然允许你实现你的目标 |
| 1792 | that you have and it's not permanent. | 这是你拥有的,它不是永久的。 |
| 1793 | But to anyone who talks to him, he would be an extrovert. | 但对于任何和他说话的人来说,他会是一个外向者. |
| 1794 | And it's just reconciling that with, | 它只是调和这一点, |
| 1795 | again, I just see this challenge | 再说一遍,我只是看到这个挑战 |
| 1796 | that we have with that today, which I don't think is, | 我们今天有, 我不认为是, |
| 1797 | it's valid, but it's not justified, | 这是有效的,但它没有正当理由, |
| 1798 | this idea of, oh, but that's inauthentic. | 这个想法,哦, 但这是不正确的。 |
| 1799 | You're just using, you're just manipulating something | 你只是用,你只是操纵的东西 |
| 1800 | or you're adopting a skill. | 或者你正在接受一个技能。 |
| 1801 | And it's like, well, no, we all have to have skills at work | 就像,嗯,不,我们都得有工作技能 |
| 1802 | that we don't use at home, right? | 我们不在家里使用,对不对? |
| 1803 | You're not that person at work | 你不是那个工作的人 |
| 1804 | and you wouldn't try and organize your family | 你也不会试图组织你的家人 |
| 1805 | in the way you project manage at work. | 工作管理的方式 |
| 1806 | And it's not inauthentic to turn that off at home. | 在家关掉它不是不正确的 |
| 1807 | It's normal to do that. | 常作么生会. |
| 1808 | And so yes, if you need to develop communication skills | 所以,是的,如果你需要发展 沟通技能 |
| 1809 | to get promoted, that's a healthy investment | 要升职, 这是一个健康的投资 |
| 1810 | because that's an important part of your life if it is. | 因为这是你生活的重要部分 |
| 1811 | And those skills will probably come in handy at home | 这些技能可能在家里有用 |
| 1812 | and in your personal life too. | 在你的个人生活中 |
| 1813 | Oh, totally, yeah. | 哦,当然,是的。 |
| 1814 | Yeah, so it's almost like how do we start looking at life | 是啊,所以它几乎像 我们如何开始看生活 |
| 1815 | as the accumulation of skills and abilities | 作为技能和能力的积累 |
| 1816 | and traits and habits, | 特质和习惯, |
| 1817 | as opposed to shifting our entire identity because of that. | 而不是改变我们的全部身份 |
| 1818 | Just in the same ways, if you wore color today, | 同样的,如果你今天穿颜色, |
| 1819 | you're now not someone who just wears color. | 你现在不是只穿颜色的人了 |
| 1820 | Exactly, yeah. | 没错 |
| 1821 | But it's weird how the mind kind of plays that trick | 但是,这很奇怪 心灵如何玩弄那招 |
| 1822 | in saying, oh, I'm just people pleasing | 说,哦,我只是人们喜欢 |
| 1823 | or I'm just shape-shifting, | 或者我只是变形, |
| 1824 | which I think has become such a worry today. | 我认为今天已经变得如此担忧。 |
| 1825 | Yeah, or masking people. | 对,或者蒙面 |
| 1826 | I've heard about people saying I'm masking | 听说有人说我在伪装 |
| 1827 | if I'm doing anything functional. | 如果我在做任何工作的话 |
| 1828 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1829 | No, I mean, we are all masking to some extent. | 不,我的意思是,我们都 掩盖了某种程度。 |
| 1830 | I have to go on the radio sometimes | 我有时得去收音机 |
| 1831 | and that's definitely, I don't talk all the time. | 这绝对是, 我不常说话。 |
| 1832 | 我谈NPR。 | |
| 1833 | We all have different ways of presenting ourselves | 我们都有不同的表达方式 |
| 1834 | depending on the situation. | 根据情况而定。 |
| 1835 | Yeah, definitely. | 当然 |
| 1836 | I wanted to ask you the last few sections a question. | 我想问你最后几节的问题 |
| 1837 | How does this apply to people who are diagnosed | 这如何适用于确诊者? |
| 1838 | with depression or ADHD? | 抑郁症还是ADHD? |
| 1839 | Can they also change that through this work | 他们能否通过这项工作改变这一点? |
| 1840 | or is that very different? | 或这是非常不同的? |
| 1841 | There's actually been this push in psychology | 心理学确实有这种推力 |
| 1842 | to identify the personality traits that are associated | 识别相关人格特征 |
| 1843 | with things like depression and ADHD. | 包括抑郁症和ADHD |
| 1844 | So my depression score went way down | 所以我的抑郁症得分大大下降 |
| 1845 | with changing neuroticism. | 神经病的改变 |
| 1846 | Neuroticism and depression and anxiety | 神经病、抑郁症和焦虑症 |
| 1847 | are very closely linked. | 它们是紧密相连的。 |
| 1848 | A lot of these things that we think of | 我们想的很多事情 |
| 1849 | as sort of mental illnesses or mental health conditions | 精神疾病或精神健康状况 |
| 1850 | actually have a personality trait component to them. | 对他们来说,实际上有个性特征 |
| 1851 | 和MBSR, 我上课, | |
| 1852 | actually has gone head to head with Lexapro, | 其实已经与莱克萨普罗头目, |
| 1853 | the antidepressant, and it works just as well. | 抗抑郁药也一样有效 |
| 1854 | So in some ways, changing- | 所以在某些方面,改变... |
| 1855 | Really? | 真的吗? |
| 1856 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1857 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 1858 | So in some ways, changing your personality traits | 所以在某些方面,改变你的个性特征 |
| 1859 | can address some of these, whatever you wanna call them, | 能够解决其中的一些问题, 无论你想称之为什么, |
| 1860 | mental health conditions that you might not be thrilled with | 心理健康状况,你可能不高兴 |
| 1861 | to have in your life. | 在你的生活中拥有。 |
| 1862 | So if it is depression, | 所以,如果这是抑郁, |
| 1863 | something like meditation or therapy | 比如冥想或治疗 |
| 1864 | can really go a great deal to addressing that. | 能够解决这个问题。 |
| 1865 | If it's something like ADHD, | 如果它是类似ADHD的东西, |
| 1866 | some people think that's just a form | 有些人认为这只是一种形式 |
| 1867 | of low conscientiousness. | 低贱的良心。 |
| 1868 | So if you think about it, | 所以,如果你考虑一下, |
| 1869 | it's just not having the systems in place | 只是没有系统 |
| 1870 | to remember where your stuff is and where you need to be | 记住你的东西在哪里 需要在哪里 |
| 1871 | and what's on your calendar. | 和你的日历上的东西。 |
| 1872 | So a lot of the therapists who work with adults with ADHD | 所以很多治疗师都和成年人一起工作 |
| 1873 | basically just give them the tools | 基本上只是给他们的工具 |
| 1874 | that they use for conscientiousness. | 以便他们自觉。 |
| 1875 | So it's like, here's a Google calendar. | 这就像,这里是一个谷歌日历。 |
| 1876 | Fill it out with every single thing | 用每样东西填出来 |
| 1877 | you need to do this week. | 这周你需要做。 |
| 1878 | Here's Todoist, it's an app that I use. | 这是托多主义者,我用的应用程序。 |
| 1879 | Here's a clock that you can set 15 minutes at a time. | 这里有一个时钟,可以每次设定15分钟. |
| 1880 | It's coming up with the tools | 工具来了 |
| 1881 | that people use to change personality traits too. | 人们用来改变人格特征 |
| 1882 | And there's actually a new effort | 其实还有新的努力 |
| 1883 | to treat a borderline personality disorder, | 治疗边缘人格障碍, |
| 1884 | which is a mental condition. | 这是精神状况 |
| 1885 | It also has a personality component, obviously, | 它也有个性成分,很明显, |
| 1886 | by changing personality traits. | 通过改变个性特征 |
| 1887 | It's using some of the strategies in the book | 它用的是书中的一些策略 |
| 1888 | and through therapy to actually shift people's levels | 通过治疗 改变人们的水平 |
| 1889 | of agreeableness and so forth and actually help cure BPD. | 帮助治疗BPD。 |
| 1890 | Yeah, I think we're just living at that time right now | 是啊,我想我们只是 生活在那个时候,现在 |
| 1891 | where it feels like work to go to MBSR or to therapy | 喜欢工作去MBSR或治疗 |
| 1892 | and you don't actually end up having any skills, right? | 你最终没有技能,对吧? |
| 1893 | Like with the pill, you don't change your reality. | 就像吃药一样,你不会改变现实 |
| 1894 | You're numbing something or you're better at dealing with it | 你在麻木什么 或者你更擅长处理 |
| 1895 | or there's a sense of this doesn't worry me anymore, | 或者有种感觉 不再让我担心了 |
| 1896 | but there's not really an expansion of ability and skill. | 但是能力和技能并没有真正扩展. |
| 1897 | And I mean, I'm mindful of the fact that people | 我的意思是,我注意到的事实,人 |
| 1898 | are on very, very different levels and may need it, | 处于非常,非常不同的水平 并且可能需要它, |
| 1899 | but it's quite fascinating to hear that MBSR | 但听到MBSR很吸引人 |
| 1900 | has that ability and similar scores. | 有这种能力 和类似的分数。 |
| 1901 | Yeah, and what you have to keep in mind is that, | 是的,你必须记住的是, |
| 1902 | and I'm pro antidepressants, whatever works for people, | 我赞成抗抑郁药 不管对人们有什么作用 |
| 1903 | but they can reach a point | 但他们可以达到一个点 |
| 1904 | where they don't work very well anymore, | 在那里,他们的工作 不再很好, |
| 1905 | but the skills that you learn through something | 但通过一些东西学习的技能 |
| 1906 | like meditation, mindfulness, | 像冥想一样, |
| 1907 | even like a cognitive behavioral therapy, | 甚至像一种认知行为疗法, |
| 1908 | they'll be with you through life, | 他们将永远和你在一起, |
| 1909 | even when you don't have your Xanax handy or whatever. | 即使你没有麻醉剂什么的 |
| 1910 | So it's something I recommend maybe doing even in tandem | 所以,我建议也许可以同时做 |
| 1911 | with whatever antidepressant. | 任何抗抑郁药。 |
| 1912 | We end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. | 我们以最后5集结束"目的"的每一集 |
| 1913 | So these questions have to be answered | 所以这些问题必须回答 |
| 1914 | in one word to one sentence maximum. | 一个字到一个句子最多。 |
| 1915 | So Olga, Hazan, these are your final five. | 所以奥尔加,哈赞 这是你的最后五个 |
| 1916 | Question number one is what is the best advice | 问题一是什么是最好的建议 |
| 1917 | you've ever heard or received? | 你听说过还是收到过? |
| 1918 | And you can apply it all to personality in your world. | 你可以把这些都应用到 你世界的个性。 |
| 1919 | So what is the best advice you've ever heard or received? | 你听过或收到过最好的建议是什么? |
| 1920 | Go work at a place that will let you do | 去一个可以让你工作的地方工作 |
| 1921 | exactly what you wanna be doing, | 这正是你想做的事 |
| 1922 | even if it's a very small establishment. | 即使它是一个很小的机构。 |
| 1923 | Question number two, | 第二问题 |
| 1924 | what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received? | 你听过或收到的最差的建议是什么? |
| 1925 | That if something is difficult, it's not worth doing. | 如果有些事情是困难的,那不值得做。 |
| 1926 | Question number three, what's something that | 第三个问题是什么 |
| 1927 | you used to think was true about personality, | 你曾经认为人格是真实的 |
| 1928 | but now you've changed your mind on it? | 但你现在改变主意了? |
| 1929 | I used to think that your birth order | 我以前觉得你的出生顺序 |
| 1930 | was the most important thing | 是最重要的东西 |
| 1931 | that determined your personality. | 这决定了你的个性。 |
| 1932 | Interesting. | 有意思,这很有趣 |
| 1933 | And it is actually not at all important. | 这其实并不重要。 |
| 1934 | Let's talk about that, because people feel like, | 让我们谈谈,因为人们觉得, |
| 1935 | oh, from the first child or the third child | 哦,从第一个孩子或第三个孩子 |
| 1936 | or this middle child. | 或者这个中间的孩子 |
| 1937 | Eldest daughter, yeah. | 最爱的女儿,是的。 |
| 1938 | None of that stuff's real? | 这些都不是真的? |
| 1939 | No. | 没有 |
| 1940 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 1941 | There are some gender effects, | 有一些性别影响, |
| 1942 | so that you could be picking up on like | 这样你就能像 |
| 1943 | being a daughter versus a son, | 当女儿和儿子 |
| 1944 | but the birth order, it's very negligible. | 但是,出生顺序, 这是非常微不足道的。 |
| 1945 | It's extremely small. | 极细小. |
| 1946 | Question number four, | 第四问题 |
| 1947 | what is the biggest change that you've seen in yourself | 你所看到的最大的变化是什么? |
| 1948 | going on this journey that you're most grateful for | 踏上你最感激的旅程 |
| 1949 | now looking back? | 现在回头看? |
| 1950 | Oh, it's that I think I need to connect with other people | 哦,我想我需要和别人联系 |
| 1951 | in order to be happy. | 为了快乐 |
| 1952 | And you didn't used to believe that? | 你以前不相信吗? |
| 1953 | No, I used to think that I could just be | 不,我曾经认为我可以 |
| 1954 | a little astronaut in space | 一个太空小宇航员 |
| 1955 | and never talk to anyone and be totally fine. | 永远不要和任何人说话 和完全罚款。 |
| 1956 | I think I, especially as a new mom, | 我想我,特别是作为一个新妈妈, |
| 1957 | I joined a bunch of new moms groups | 我加入了一群新妈妈团体 |
| 1958 | and I really need those. | 我真的需要这些。 |
| 1959 | You can't do it alone. | 不能独行. |
| 1960 | I love that. | 我喜欢 |
| 1961 | Fifth and final question, | 第五个也是最后一个问题, |
| 1962 | we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. | 我们向所有参加过节目的客人问这个 |
| 1963 | If you could create one law | 如果你能创立一个法律 |
| 1964 | that everyone in the world had to follow, | 全世界每个人都必须遵循 |
| 1965 | what would it be? | 会是什么? |
| 1966 | No flaking on plans at the last minute. | 计划最后一刻不准乱动 |
| 1967 | What's with that? | 这是怎么回事? |
| 1968 | I love it when someone cancels on me. | 我喜欢有人取消我的工作 |
| 1969 | It's like such a- | 就像这样... |
| 1970 | Oh, you have the joy of missing out. | 哦,你有 错过的快乐。 |
| 1971 | I never cancel last minute because I'm not that guy, | 我从来没有取消最后一分钟 因为我不是那个家伙, |
| 1972 | but I love someone canceling on me last minute. | 但我爱有人取消我的最后一分钟。 |
| 1973 | No, and it's always like, you know, I just can't today. | 不,它总是 像,你知道,我只是不能今天。 |
| 1974 | It's like, yes, you can. | 这就像,是的,你可以。 |
| 1975 | You do it every other day. | 你每隔一天就这么做 |
| 1976 | Like, come on. | 喜欢,来吧。 |
| 1977 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 1978 | There has to be some punishment for that then, | 一定有一些惩罚, |
| 1979 | if you break that law. | 如果你触犯了法律 |
| 1980 | I know hanging out with that person for a whole week. | 我知道和那个人一起待了一个星期 |
| 1981 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 1982 | I don't know what the punishment would be. | 我不知道惩罚会是什么 |
| 1983 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 1984 | Everyone, the book is called | 各位,这本书叫做 |
| 1985 | Me But Better, The Science and Promise | 但我更好,科学与承诺 |
| 1986 | of Personality Change by Olga Hazan. | 由奥尔加·哈赞(Olga Hazan)编剧,"人格改变". |
| 1987 | I hope you've enjoyed this conversation. | 我希望你喜欢这次谈话 |
| 1988 | Make sure you share your favorite reflections, | 确保你分享你最喜欢的反射, |
| 1989 | the experiments you're trying, | 你在尝试的实验 |
| 1990 | the takeaways from the book as you're reading it. | 在你读这本书时 从书里带走的东西 |
| 1991 | 请把它们贴到Instagram上 和TikTok上 | |
| 1992 | I love seeing all your stories and reels | 我喜欢看到你所有的故事和录像 |
| 1993 | to see what resonates with you. | 看看你有什么共鸣 |
| 1994 | Olga, thank you so much for coming on the show again. | 奥尔加 非常感谢你再次光临节目 |
| 1995 | It's been wonderful to meet you | 很高兴见到你 |
| 1996 | and thank you so much for helping us. | 非常感谢你的帮助 |
| 1997 | Teach us how to be ourselves but better. | 教我们如何成为自己,但更好。 |
| 1998 | So thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1999 | Yeah, thank you so much. | 是的,非常感谢。 |
| 2000 | If you love this episode, you'll love my call. | 如果你喜欢这集,你会喜欢我的电话。 |
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