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如何交谈,让所有人都立刻喜欢你|行为研究专家Vanessa

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0:00How do you know you talk too much?你怎么知道你说话太多了?
0:01So the first thing is non-verbal cues.所以,第一件事是非语言提示。
0:03Someone is checking out if they are opening their mouth,有人在检查他们有没有张开嘴
0:06as if to say something.如是说言.
0:07I call it the open fish.我称之为开口鱼。
0:08And that's a subtle cue that you talk too much.这是一个微妙的提示 你说话太多。
0:10Do you think they're listening right now你觉得他们现在在听吗?
0:11and think, fuck, that's me?想想,他妈的,这就是我?
0:12Yes.对
0:13And there was a recent study when they found最近他们发现
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1How do you know you talk too much?你怎么知道你说话太多了?
2So the first thing is non-verbal cues.所以,第一件事是非语言提示。
3Someone is checking out if they are opening their mouth,有人在检查他们有没有张开嘴
4as if to say something.如是说言.
5I call it the open fish.我称之为开口鱼。
6And that's a subtle cue that you talk too much.这是一个微妙的提示 你说话太多。
7Do you think they're listening right now你觉得他们现在在听吗?
8and think, fuck, that's me?想想,他妈的,这就是我?
9Yes.对
10And there was a recent study when they found最近他们发现
11that 95% of people have worked with someone95%的人和别人一起工作过
12who talks too much.谁说话太多。
13Well, I have a do you talk too much test.好吧,我有一个你谈论太多测试。
14So there's five questions here.故此有五问.
15And if you answer more than three times,如果你回答超过三次,
16you're probably an over-talker.你可能是一个过度谈话。
17Yeah.对
18Because my next question is like,因为我的下一个问题是,
19which one's worse, over-talking or under-talking?哪个更糟糕, 过度说话还是低调?
20Well, I have spent the last 20 years我花了20年时间
21studying master conversationalists.学习主对话家.
22And I found that it's the vehicle to get what you want.我发现这是得到你想要的东西的车
23And I'm a recovering awkward person.而我是一个康复 尴尬的人。
24And I really struggled with bad conversation我真的很难过 糟糕的谈话
25for a long time.长久以来
26But I think the next generations will be talking但我认为下一代会说话
27to technology more than they talk to humans.技术比他们和人类说话还要多
28And because we are having less conversations,因为我们的对话较少
29one in six people worldwide are affected by loneliness.全世界有六分之一的人受到孤独的影响。
30And I now more than ever am sending现在我比以往更需要送
31nine-minute voice notes to my friends.给我的朋友9分钟的语音留言
32But a voice note, it's the most selfish form of conversation.但语音音符,是最自私的对话形式.
33But in this age of technological change,但在这个技术变革的时代,
34the people who are masterful at conversation善于交谈的人
35are going to have an advantage.将有一个优势。
36But there's a blueprint to good conversation.但有好对话的蓝图.
37And once you know the blueprint, it becomes easier.一旦你知道蓝图,就更容易了。
38For example, we devised three different例如,我们设计了三种不同的
39speed networking experiments with 500 speed networkers.以500个速度联网器进行速度联网实验.
40And the best conversation starter was actually,最好的开场白是,
41what was the highlight of your day?今天的亮点是什么?
42Because the moment we asked, how are you?因为我们问的那一刻,你好吗?
43What do you do?你们是做什么的?
44They ran out of things to talk about.他们没话可说了
45But the worst question in the history of conversations但谈话史上最糟糕的问题
46is what the fuck.这他妈的是什么。
47But I also have a formula to immediately但我也有一个公式 立即
48bypass that small talk.绕过那个小话
49Also a secret door into charisma.亦是秘密门入魅力.
50But also there are five archetypes.但也有5种原型.
51And this is going to impact getting our promotion这会影响我们的晋升
52and finding your soulmate.找到你的灵魂伴侣
53And we're going to go through all of them.且道要过一切众生.
54But what are the ways to get out of the bad conversation但怎样才能摆脱糟糕的谈话
55without offending people?没有冒犯别人?
56Well, we tend to focus a lot on the first impression.我们往往把注意力集中在第一印象上
57But we don't really think about the end.但是我们并没有真正考虑结局.
58But it's all really important.但这一切都很重要。
59And I discovered this framework.我发现了这个框架。
60So.所以说 So.
61Here is a strange fact.这是一个奇怪的事实。
62Most of the people watching this right now,现在大多数观众都看这个
63about 58% of you, aren't yet subscribed to this channel.大约58%的你还没有订阅这个频道。
64Statistically, that is probably you.从统计学上看,大概是你
65So could I ask you a small favor?我能请你帮个小忙吗?
66If this channel has ever given you any value at all,如果这个频道给了你任何价值
67please could you do me a favor你能帮我个忙吗?
68and hit the subscribe button.点击订阅按钮。
69It costs nothing.毫无代价
70It helps us more than you could know.这比你知道的更能帮助我们
71And the bigger the channel gets, as you've seen,频道越大 如你所见
72the more we can invest in the guests and the production.我们能投资更多的客人和制作。
73So thank you so much.非常感谢
74And I hope you enjoy this episode.我希望你喜欢这集
75Vanessa Van Edwards.凡妮莎・范・爱德华兹。
76On page five of your new book, Conversations,在你新书的第5页 谈话
77you talk about how we're in a connection crisis.你说我们陷入了联系危机
78And you say that conversations are getting harder,你说谈话越来越困难
79more awkward, and less satisfying.更尴尬 更不满足
80At some level, I feel that too.某种程度上,我也觉得
81My question to you is why did you choose to write this book我问你为什么你选择写这本书
82based on everything you could have written about,根据你可能写的一切,
83everything we've talked about before?我们之前谈过的每件事?
84Why is this book needed at this time?为什么这书现在需要?
85People who are investing in conversation skills right now投资谈话技巧的人
86are creating career insurance.正在创造职业保险。
87We like to work with people who are great at conversation.我们喜欢和善于交谈的人合作
88We like to be with people who are great at conversation.我们喜欢和善于交谈的人在一起
89We like to date people who are good at conversation.我们喜欢和善于交谈的人约会
90And in this age of tremendous technological change,在这个技术大变革的时代,
91the people who are masterful at conversation善于交谈的人
92are going to have an advantage.将有一个优势。
93So I wrote this right now because we are slowly losing所以我现在写这个 是因为我们慢慢地输了
94our ability to connect.我们连接的能力。
95And I think this is the last generation我想这是最后一代人
96that will learn about conversation via human.了解人类的谈话
97I think the next generations will be talking to technology我想后人会谈论科技
98more than they talk to humans.比他们和人类说话还要多
99Is it possible to be great at conversation?在谈话中表现得好吗?
100And if I become great at conversation如果我在对话中变得很棒
101through what we're about to talk about today,通过我们今天要谈的事
102what is the advantage that you're speaking about there?你在说什么好处?
103What advantage will I experience in my life我这辈子有什么好处?
104for everybody listening now?现在大家都在听吗?
105What advantage will they see in their life他们的人生有什么好处
106relative to where they are now?相对于他们现在在哪里?
107Conversation is the vehicle to get what you want.对话是获得你想要的东西的载体。
108Right, if you want a promotion对,如果你想升职
109and you can chat with your boss where they connect with you,你可以和你的老板聊天 他们联系你的地方
110you're more likely to be thought of for that promotion.你更有可能被考虑 升职。
111If you want to meet your soulmate,如果你想遇见你的灵魂伴侣,
112you have to have deep, connected,你必须有深,连接,
113meaningful conversation to truly get to know each other.进行有意义的对话,真正了解对方。
114If you are lonely, finding friends如果你孤独,找朋友
115that are actually fulfilling实际实现的
116and give you the joy of conversation并给你欢乐的谈话
117is going to give you a longevity boost.这会给你一个长寿助力。
118I think that the mistake that we have made我认为我们所犯的错误
119is we think of conversation as extra, you know?我们是否认为谈话是额外的,你知道吗?
120We sort of put it second.我们把它放在第二。
121I know leaders focus on this a lot我知道头儿们很重视这个
122where they're focused so much on their idea,在那里,他们如此关注 他们的想法,
123on their technology, on their business,他们的技术,他们的生意,
124but they forget about the human element.但他们忘记了人的因素。
125And I think we have to start thinking about conversation我觉得我们得开始考虑谈话
126almost like going to the gym.就像去健身房一样
127You know, we've focused a lot on our physical health,你知道,我们已经专注于 我们的身体健康,
128but our social health is critical to our emotional health.但我们的社会健康对我们的情感健康至关重要。
129Right, if we are doing conversation reps,好吧,如果我们做 谈话代表,
130if we can truly become good at conversation,如果我们能真正成为好对话,
131conversation I think is a skill to learn.我认为对话是学习的技巧
132I don't think you're born with it or you're not.我不认为你生来就是带着它或者你不是。
133I think you can learn to be good at conversation我想你可以学会善于交谈
134and it's the one skill that keeps on giving.这是唯一的技能 继续给予。
135Do people tend to know人们往往知道
136if they're good or bad at conversation?如果他们是好还是坏的对话?
137Like are there symptoms one experiences就像有一种症状一样
138when they're not good at conversation?当他们不擅长交谈时?
139Are they aware of that?他们知道吗?
140Yes, there is symptoms of being a bad conversationalist.是的,有一个症状 一个坏的对话家。
141And by the way, I should back up.顺便说一句,我应该备份。
142As you know, I'm a recovering awkward person你知道,我是一个康复 尴尬的人
143and I really struggled with bad conversation和我真的挣扎 与糟糕的谈话
144for a long time.长久以来
145And I realized it was because I was asking我意识到是因为我问
146the wrong questions错误的问题
147and I was approaching conversation the wrong way.我走错了话
148The wrong way to approach conversation找错话了
149is trying to impress, not discover.试图打动,而不是发现。
150If you're trying to impress people,如果你是想打动别人
151conversation becomes performative对话成为可执行性
152and that is so deeply unfulfilling.这实在是太无能了
153Right, that is when small talk becomes对,就是说小话的时候
154soul crushing.灵魂压抑。
155I have spent the last 20 years我花了20年时间
156studying master conversationalists.学习主对话家.
157Master conversationalists,对话大师
158they live differently in the world.他们生活的世界不同。
159And I only know this我只知道这个
160because I wasn't one for a long time.因为我很久没当过
161They are not only more joyous,他们不仅是更快乐的,
162but they're also more confident.但他们也更有信心。
163They're more authentically assertive.他们更真实的自信。
164They get more energy from interactions,他们从互动中获得更多的能量,
165whether they're an introvert or extrovert,无论他们是内向还是外向
166because their conversations are giving them energy,因为他们的谈话给他们带来活力,
167not taking energy.不消耗精力。
168The symptom of bad conversation,恶谈的症状,
169and I hate to give someone a label我讨厌给别人贴标签
170being a bad conversationalist,作为一个糟糕的谈话家,
171an exhausted conversationalist,一个疲惫的谈话家,
172is you dread it.你害怕吗?
173Dread is a really important emotion.可怕的是一种非常重要的情感。
174If you open your calendar and you see only dread如果你打开你的日历,你只看到恐惧
175or you feel only dread, there's something wrong.或者你只是觉得害怕, 有点不对劲。
176Right, conversation like boosts us,对,像对话一样的推动我们
177gives us energy.给我们能量。
178So you feel dread in social interactions.所以你在社交互动中感到恐惧。
179You feel overwhelmed when you're in conversation.谈话时你感到不堪重负
180So if you're in conversation所以,如果你在谈话
181and you're social overthinking,你却在社会上思考过度
182you cannot turn your brain off.你不能把你的大脑关闭。
183All you're worried about你所担心的
184was what you're gonna say next.你接下来会说什么?
185It's actually just because you probably haven't learned其实是因为你可能还没学过
186the mechanics of conversation.谈话的力学
187There's a blueprint to good conversation.有好对话的蓝图。
188We're gonna talk about it.我们要谈谈
189Once you know the blueprint, it becomes easier.一旦你知道蓝图,它变得更容易。
190And the last symptom of bad conversation还有最后的恶语症状
191is that you leave feeling misunderstood.你离开的时候 感觉被误解了
192You leave feeling like I was the worst version of myself,你离开的感觉 像我是最糟糕的版本我自己,
193or I wasn't able to be my best self.或者我不能成为我最好的自己。
194I think really good conversationalists,我认为真正的好对话家,
195people leave conversation with them thinking,人们离开谈话 他们想,
196wow, after talking to you,哇,和你说话后,
197I feel like I understand myself better.我觉得我更了解自己
198And that's a very different way of thinking about,这是非常不同的思考方式,
199oh, I wanna impress somebody.我想给别人留下深刻印象
200So how long have you spent doing the research所以,你花了多长时间 做研究
201that feeds into what we're gonna talk about today供我们今天讨论的内容
202and feeds into this new book?并输入这本新书?
203Okay, so accidentally,好吧,所以无意中,
204I've been doing research for this my whole life我这一辈子都在做研究
205because I was very bad at conversation for 20 years.因为我20年来一直很不擅长谈话
206Then 20 years ago,后来20年前
207I realized that there are these hidden blueprints我意识到有这些隐藏的蓝图
208behind our interactions.我们互动背后。
209I wasn't quite sure what they were,我不知道他们是什么
210but I could see that very good conversationalists,但我能看见那个很好的谈话家
211they were following some kind of plan.他们正在遵循某种计划
212Then eight years ago,之后8年前,
213this is when the real research began,这是真正的研究开始的时候
214and it started with an experiment.从实验开始的
215I call it my speed networking experiment.我称之为我的速度联网实验。
216This fundamentally changed the way I think about conversation.这从根本上改变了我对对话的看法。
217So here's what we did.这就是我们所做的
218I knew there was some secret that conversationalists had,我知道对话者有秘密
219and I was like, I'm gonna find it.我当时想,我会找到它。
220So we devised three different speed networking experiments所以我们设计了三个不同的速度网络实验
221with 500 speed networkers.有500个速度网络
222We brought them in these rooms,我们把他们带到这些房间
223and we had cameras set up in all four corners of the room我们把摄像头布置在房间里的四角
224because good conversation looks different.因为良好的谈话看起来不同。
225Really good conversation.谈话很愉快
226You've seen, do you ever like, you know-你见过,你曾经喜欢,你知道...
227Of course.当然
228I love it.我喜欢它。
229Adam has fun.亚当有乐趣。
230Yeah, yeah, with my fiance.对,对,我未婚夫
231Are they having a bad day?他们今天过得不好吗?
232So, you know, a good conversation is a lot of gestures,所以,你知道,一个很好的谈话 是很多姿态,
233a lot of leaning, you know, has that high energy,很多倾斜,你知道, 有那么高的能量,
234you see a lot of vocal charisma.你可以看到很多声乐魅力。
235The volume goes up.卷上传.
236In a bad conversation, it sort of sounds like this.在糟糕的谈话中,听起来有点像这样。
237I'm having, how are we in the house?我吃过了,家里怎么样?
238I don't know, there's a mama.我不知道,有一个妈妈。
239Right, like it has like very low energy,对 就像能量很低一样
240like apologetic facial expressions, like low volume.就像口腔面部表情,像低音量
241Then I assigned these networkers six conversation charters.之后我给这些网络商分配了六份谈话章程.
242Now I picked these conversation charters,现在我选了这些谈话章程
243I'm gonna tell you what they are, very carefully.我会告诉你他们是什么,非常小心。
244Three of them I thought could do really well,其中三个我认为可以做的非常好,
245and three of them I wasn't sure about, I wanted to see.三个我不确定 我想看看
246We gave them these six conversation charters我们给了他们这六个谈话章程
247and we asked them after each timed conversation我们每次聊天后都问他们
248to rate the quality of it.评分它的质量。
249One being, that was the worst,一个是,那是最糟糕的,
250most awkward conversation I've ever had,我见过最尴尬的谈话
251to five being, that was the best conversation I ever had,5岁时,这是我最好的谈话,
252I wanna marry this person,我想嫁给这个人,
253or I wanna connect with them on LinkedIn.或者我想在LinkedIn上和他们联系
254Then we took all these ratings and we ranked them,然后我们把所有这些收视率 并排序,
255and there were clear winners and clear losers.有明显的胜利者和明显的失败者。
256The losers, the conversations that produced失败者,产生对话
257the worst connection, the most awkwardness were,关系最差 最尴尬的是
258last choice, wanna guess what last choice was?最后的选择,想猜猜最后的选择是什么?
259Last.最后一个
260In terms of an opener?就开机而言?
261In terms of just a question.仅以问之.
262A typical question you ask the first minute.一个典型的问题 你问的第一分钟。
263How were you?你怎么样?
264Number five, that was the fifth worst,五号,那是第五大烂人
265very close to the bottom.离底部很远
266Sixth was?第六场?
267Something about the weather?天气怎么样?
268What do you do?你们是做什么的?
269That was the worst?这是最糟糕的?
270The worst.最烂的。
271Okay.摆
272Why?为什么?
273So these last two, how are you and what do you do?最后两个,你好吗?
274They're very socially scripted, right?他们都是社会剧本,对吧?
275The moment we ask those questions,当我们问到这些问题时,
276our brain goes into autopilot,我们的大脑进入自动驾驶
277so there's a lack, it aids more of a performance,因此,有一个缺乏, 它帮助更多的表演,
278there's a lack of excitement in the conversation,谈话中缺乏刺激
279and they ran out of things to talk about.他们没有话要说
280They're fact-based questions,他们是基于事实的问题,
281and this is the trap of what we'll call这就是我们所谓的陷阱
282level one conversation, which is you are trapped in fact.一级对话,那就是你被困住了
283Where are you from?你从哪里来?
284Got any kids?有孩子吗?
285Married?结婚了?
286The facts are dead ends, right?事实都是死胡同,对吧?
287So it's very hard for someone to break out of that fact所以有人很难摆脱这个事实
288because they're stuck in that social script.因为他们被困在 社交剧本。
289The best conversation starter was actually a sneaker.最好的开始对话者其实是运动鞋.
290I was like, interesting that this one did best by a lot.我很喜欢,有趣的是, 这一个做得最好的很多。
291It was, what was the highlight of your day?今天的亮点是什么?
292Now, what this question does psychologically,现在,这个问题的心理作用,
293it sounds casual.听起来很随意
294First of all, it's not too deep.首先,它并不太深。
295A mistake that extroverts can make外向者可能犯的错误
296is they ask too deep too quickly, right?他们问得太深了,对不对?
297They're like, what is your greatest goal in life?他们喜欢, 什么是你最大的目标 在生活中?
298And you're like, I don't know you, right?你就像,我不认识你,对不对?
299So it's not too deep,因此,它不是太深,
300but it's a subtle replacement for how are you.但它是一个微妙的替代 你怎么样。
301You're actually asking the other person's brain你其实是在问别人的大脑
302to search for optimism.寻找乐观
303You're literally inviting their brain to think你是在邀请他们的大脑思考
304what was good?什么好东西?
305And then they think, well, highlight of my day.然后他们想,嗯, 亮我的一天。
306So one, we just broke autopilot.第一,我们只是坏了自动驾驶。
307The moment someone goes, oh,当有人去,哦,
308and they're thinking for the first time,他们第一次想到,
309their brain goes, ooh, we get to do something new.他们的大脑去, 哦,我们有 做一些新的东西。
310So they got to think of something new,所以他们得想些新的东西
311and it was immediate.并且是立即发生的。
312It wasn't like a too big of a question.这不是一个太大的问题。
313The second question was,第二个问题是,
314have anything exciting you're working on?你有什么刺激的吗?
315This is kind of a subtle replacement for what do you do.这是一种微妙的替代 你做什么。
316If someone likes what they do,如果有人喜欢他们做的事
317they're gonna talk about it,他们会谈论它,
318but they're gonna reframe it in something exciting.但他们会把它重新塑造成令人兴奋的东西
319And if someone isn't defined by what they do,如果有人没有被定义 他们做什么,
320they're going to share something better.他们将分享更好的东西。
321The third question, very, very simple,第三个问题 非常非常简单
322was do you have any fun plans coming up?你有什么有趣的计划吗?
323These questions, the first three,这些问题,前三个,
324are literally searching for good.正在寻找好东西。
325You're inviting the other person你邀请了另一个人
326to only think about good things,只想着美好的事物,
327and we're juicing excitement for other parts of their life.我们为他们生命中的其他部分欢呼
328Now the fourth question, the middle one,现在第四个问题,中间一个,
329almost broke my data.差点打破我的数据
330And this is where things really got interesting for me这才是我真正感兴趣的地方
331as a researcher.作为一名研究员。
332This fourth question, people either loved it这第四个问题,人们要么喜欢它
333or they hated it.或者他们讨厌它。
334They either gave it a five他们要么给它一个5
335that was like the most connective thing I felt all week这就像最连接的东西 我整个星期的感觉
336or a zero, and a zero wasn't even an option on my scale.或者一个零,一个零甚至不是一个选项 在我的规模。
337It was the question.这是问题所在。
338What's your story?你的故事怎么样?
339Now, what's your story?现在,你的故事是什么?
340Have you ever been asked that question, by the way?顺便问一句 你被问过这个问题吗?
341Derivatives of that question.这个问题的来源。
342Okay, so extroverts tend to default to that question好吧,所以外向者往往默认这个问题
343because they wanna go a little bit deeper.因为他们想更深入一点
344But actually, that is a level three question.但实际上,这是一个三级问题。
345It is way too advanced.这太先进了
346For someone who's introverted对于一个内向的人
347or someone who has never framed their story that quickly,或从未如此迅速地编造故事的人,
348they're immediately put into cortisol.它们立刻被放进皮质醇中
349They're immediately put into fight or flight.他们立即投入战斗或逃亡.
350They're like, what's my story?他们喜欢, 什么是我的故事?
351How can I give that to you so quickly?我怎么能这么快就给你?
352So you're, by accident, putting them所以你是偶然放出来的
353into conversational fear.变成对话恐惧
354This is when I realized there's a hierarchy.这时候我才意识到有等级制度
355We have to move through our conversations我们必须通过我们的对话
356with different levels, right?不同级别,对不对?
357This is why we have this.这就是为什么我们有这个。
358So for anyone that can't see所以对于看不见的人来说
359because you're listening on Apple Music因为你在听苹果音乐
360or Spotify or whatever,或专注什么的,
361we have a three tier little stage in front of us.我们前面有三层小舞台
362Tier one, tier two, tier three.一级,二级,三级.
363What are these three tiers?这三层是什么?
364好吧,所以医生Dan McAdams发现
365that conversation is actually not as fluid谈话其实不是那么流畅
366as we would like to think.正如我们所想的那样。
367But actually, when we're trying to connect with someone else,但实际上,当我们试图与他人联系时,
368we are trying to move through three distinct levels.我们正试图跨越三个不同的层面。
369Level one is called general traits.一级称为一般特征.
370This is why in those first few minutes,这就是为什么在最初几分钟,
371you're basically trying to Google fact check someone.你基本上试图谷歌 事实检查某人。
372Where are you from?你从哪里来?
373What do you do?你们是做什么的?
374Married, where do you live in L.A.?已婚,你住在洛杉矶哪里?
375You're trying to ask all those questions你想问那么多问题
376because there's a sort of social hierarchy.因为有某种社会等级。
377Our brain processes social facts我们的大脑处理社会事实
378from least intimate to most intimate.从最亲密到最亲密
379So we cannot get to know someone所以我们不能认识一个人
380on their deepest dreams and worries他们最深的梦想和忧虑
381if we don't know the basic facts about them.如果我们不知道他们的基本事实。
382So that is why we often fall into that trap所以我们经常陷入陷阱
383of those fact-based questions.这些基于事实的问题。
384The key here is that really good level one question这里的关键是,一个问题非常的好
385is taking those facts, but adding story,正在接受这些事实, 但补充的故事,
386but adding emotion.但增加情绪。
387So the best way to do level one better所以,最好的方法 做一级更好
388is you're swapping out those bad questions, right?你是在交换那些坏问题吧?
389How are you, what do you do with looking for a story?你怎么样,你做什么 寻找一个故事?
390I truly believe a fact is a stop sign,我真的相信一个事实是一个停止的迹象,
391a story is a doorway.一个故事是门路。
392Give me an example of both.举个例子
393Okay, so one of them, we can place it on here,好吧,所以其中一个, 我们可以把它放在这里,
394is what's your personal passion project?你的个人激情项目是什么?
395Now, what's your personal passion project现在,什么是你的个人激情项目
396is actually a hunt for stories, right?其实是寻找故事,对吧?
397And would you open with that?你会打开吗?
398Is that what you're saying?你是这么说的吗?
399Or is it doesn't really matter?还是真的不重要?
400It has to come, it can come in the first few minutes.它必须来,它可以来 在最初的几分钟。
401Now, I probably wouldn't walk into a room现在,我可能不会走进一个房间
402and be like, what's your personal passion product, Stephen?你的个人激情产品是什么 Stephen?
403Right, it's a little bit much.对,有点多
404We have to do our basic first impression我们必须做我们的基本 第一印象
405and we can talk about first 10 words in a little bit,我们可以先谈10个字
406but as an opener question, it's better than how are you?但作为一个更开放的问题, 它更好比你怎么样?
407And I have to pause here and say,我不得不停下来说,
408everything I'm gonna share takes a little bit我要分享的一切 需要一点点
409of conversational courage.对话的勇气。
410It's really safe to ask how are you?问如何是真安隐.
411It's really safe to ask what do you do,问你们是做什么的 真的很安全
412but if you wanna be memorable,但如果你想成为难忘的,
413if you wanna actually spark connection,如果你想真正点燃连接,
414those won't serve you.那些不会为你效劳的
415So it does take a little bit of courage to ask this,所以问这个需要一点勇气
416but the answers you're gonna get are incredibly interesting.但你会得到的答案 令人难以置信的有趣。
417You're gonna get stories, you're gonna get a hint at values.你会得到故事, 你会得到一个暗示的价值。
418If you wanna know if they're married or have kids,如果你想知道他们是已婚还是有孩子
419they probably will tell you by accident.他们可能会无意中告诉你
420So it's like a hunt for stories.所以这就像一个狩猎的故事。
421Same with, right, I mentioned this one in the study,同样的,对,我在书房提到这个,
422so working on anything exciting these days.所以现在在忙什么刺激的事
423This is, again, one of my favorite swap questions这又是我最喜欢的交换问题之一
424because you're hunting for something good.因为你在找好东西
425Now, when I think about conversation,现在,当我想到谈话时,
426in level one, you're trying to gift someone在一级,你试图给某人
427a chemical cocktail a little bit.化学鸡尾酒一点点。
428And I think in level one,我认为在一级,
429these two questions are doing a lot of heavy lifting.这两个问题 正在做很多的举重。
430They are now competing with your feed.他们现在正在和你的饲料竞争
431I went to a PTA meeting recently and those are torture,我最近去参加PTA会议 那些是折磨
432if you've ever been to one for any parents.如果你曾经去过一个 为任何父母。
433What's a PTA meeting?什么是PTA会议?
434Oh, a parent-teacher meeting.哦,家长教师会议。
435Okay.摆
436Right, so a bunch of other parents in the room.对 房间里有一堆其他父母
437I wanted to go meet other moms我想去见其他妈妈
438because I just moved across the country因为我刚搬到全国各地
439to try to meet more people.试图满足更多的人。
440And I was excited.我很兴奋
441I was like, okay, I'm gonna meet more moms, here we go.我本来想,好吧,我要去 见更多的妈妈,我们走了。
442And I walk in the room and everyone's scrolling.我走在房间里 每个人都在滚动。
443Everyone's on their feed.皆悉供养.
444And I realized, wow, conversation now我意识到,哇,现在的对话
445is not just about a way for me to make friends.不仅仅是我交朋友的方式
446It actually has to compete with that feed.它实际上必须和饲料竞争。
447I have to make my questions and my answers我必须提出我的问题和答案
448so dopamine-worthy that they're actually因此,多巴胺值 他们实际上
449going to beat that feed.将击败饲料。
450Otherwise, they're gonna go right back to their phone.否则,他们会回到他们的手机。
451That is why these have to do more lifting这就是为什么他们必须做更多的提升
452because if I wanna compete with the feed,因为如果我想和饲料竞争
453I have to produce dopamine, a little bit of excitement,我必须生产多巴胺, 有点兴奋,
454a little bit of motivation.有一点动机
455I also have to create what I would call,我也得创造出我所谓的
456forgive me for this word, but conversational confetti.原谅我的这个词, 但谈话孔雀。
457This is like, we gotta lift a little bit more这就像,我们得 抬多一点
458in our conversations because otherwise,在我们的谈话中 因为否则
459someone's gonna go right back to scrolling.有人会回到卷轴。
460Their brain is somewhere else.他们的大脑在别的地方。
461Either their brain is in their email list要么他们的大脑在他们的电子邮件列表中
462or their brain is on their feed.或者他们的大脑在他们的喂食。
463In this research, when I was studying在研究中,当我学习时
464amazing conversationalists,惊人的谈话家,
465one of the one people I studied is Howard Stern.我研究过的人之一是霍华德·斯特恩
466However you feel about Howard Stern,不管你对霍华德·斯特恩有什么感觉
467he is a master conversationalist.他是一个主对话家。
468He can carry on long, very interesting.他可以继续很长,非常有趣。
469He gets people to say things that I could never imagine.他让别人说出我无法想象的话
470I analyzed thousands of transcripts of his interviews我分析了上千份他的采访记录
471and I found one pattern.我发现了一个模式。
472He does a very good job of creating information gaps.他在创造信息差距方面做得非常好。
473He'll say, what's the weirdest thing you've ever done?他会说,你做过的最奇怪的事是什么?
474Or he'll say, the most surprising thing否则他会说 最令人惊讶的事
475that happened to me yesterday,昨天发生在我身上,
476do you wanna hear what it was?你想听听是什么吗?
477And your brain doesn't like not knowing.而你的大脑不喜欢不知道。
478So when it hears the most surprising, the weirdest,所以,当它听到最令人惊讶, 最奇怪,
479the biggest, the worst, the most embarrassing,最大,最糟糕,最尴尬,
480the brain creates this gap.大脑创造了这个缺口。
481Like it's this information gap where the brain is like,就像大脑所在的信息空白一样
482I have to know, what is the weirdest thing?我必须知道,什么是 最奇怪的事情?
483So also what happens with these kinds of questions这些问题会怎样?
484is we're creating these little information gaps我们是在创造这些小信息缺口
485and actually saying and using in conversation these phrases而实际上在谈话中说和使用这些短语
486is a way that we can create more intrigue and interest.这是一种我们可以创造更多兴趣和兴趣的方式。
487And I know that sounds like, what?我知道这听起来像什么?
488But think about this.但是想想这个。
489If something crazy happened to you yesterday如果昨天发生了什么疯狂的事
490and you walk into dinner and you're like,你走进晚餐,你喜欢,
491guys, the craziest thing happened to me yesterday,伙计们,我昨天发生了最疯狂的事,
492everyone's like, phone's down, right?每个人都喜欢,电话的关闭,对不对?
493Now I couldn't say something boring.现在我不能说些无聊的话
494I couldn't be like, I was stuck in traffic.我不能像, 我被堵在交通。
495Unless you wanna be funny.除非你想开玩笑
496But I think that looking for opportunities但我认为寻找机会
497to create that little bit of conversational confetti,来创造一点点的谈话孔雀,
498they come up with questions like this.他们想出这样的问题
499And this is the last one.这是最后一个了
500So have any fun plans coming up?有什么好玩的计划吗?
501No, the reason why this one is important不,这个很重要的原因
502and I agonized over this third question我对第三个问题感到烦恼
503because there's three questions for each level因为每个关卡有三个问题
504is have any fun plans coming up is a subtle way任何有趣的计划 即将到来是一个微妙的方法
505to bring up potential shared future.带来潜在的共享未来。
506Psychologically speaking, we bond with someone从心理上讲,我们和某人在一起
507when we feel like we could do something fun with them当我们觉得我们可以 做一些有趣的事情与他们
508or they're doing something fun that I would also like to do.或者他们正在做一些我想做的事
509I think that part of these questions我认为这些问题的一部分
510is being known for asking better questions.以提出更好的问题而闻名。
511Like being known for hunting for excitement.就像因为兴奋而出名
512So what will happen is with people who know you at work所以,会发生什么的人 谁认识你在工作中
513or your work friends or outside of work friends或工作朋友或工作朋友以外的人
514is they'll bring these things to you.他们会把这些东西带给你
515They know that you're gonna ask out personal passions.他们知道你会问个人的激情。
516So next time you get to say,所以,下一次你得到说,
517hey, last time we were talking, you mentioned X, Y, Z.嘿,上次我们谈话时, 你提到X,Y,Z。
518How's that going?怎么样?
519So they also become your callbacks.所以他们也成了你的回话
520They make conversation easier later.他们让谈话变得容易一些
521Everybody's starting from a remarkably different place每个人的起点都不同
522here, aren't they?这里,不是吗?
523In terms of both skill, but also like will.在两种技能上,但也有类似意志.
524Energy and like willing to do it.能量和喜欢做它。
525I think there'll be a lot of,我想会有很多
526one might say introverts listening right now,人们可能会说 内向者听现在,
527but just think, what's the fucking point?但想想,有什么他妈的意义?
528Like, I don't like people anyway, and it's so much energy喜欢,我不喜欢人反正, 它是如此的精力
529and I've got to ask these questions我必须问这些问题
530and pretend to be interested.假装感兴趣
531This is gonna drain me.这会耗尽我的精力
532Oh my gosh, I agree and two things can be true.天啊 我同意 两件事都是真的
533It's very exhausting in the sense of you're trying, right?从你尝试的意义上来说,这很累吧?
534Like we're putting energy into conversation,就像我们把精力投入到对话中
535but it's also exhausting to have really shallow small talk.说些很浅的小话也很累
536I find it exhausting to stand at an event我发现站在一个事件上很累
537or be schmoozing with people backstage或者跟后台的人乱搞
538and be talking about nothing.和谈什么。
539Do you wanna have very boring, predictable conversation你想谈些无聊的,可预测的话题吗?
540where you're less memorable and they're less memorable在那里,你不太难忘, 他们也不太难忘
541你就等着回Netflix?
542That's one heart.即为一心.
543That's not what I would choose.那不是我选的
544Or do we choose the heart of I'm gonna break a script, right?或者我们选择心脏 我要打破一个剧本,对不对?
545I'm gonna try to do level one better.我会试着做一级更好的。
546I'm gonna try to trigger a little bit of dopamine.我会尝试触发一点多巴胺。
547I'm gonna try to learn something that I didn't know before,我要试着学一些以前不知道的东西
548which is going to maybe, just maybe bring joy.这会带来欢乐
549If you get a really great answer, by the way,如果你得到一个非常好的答案,顺便说一句,
550there's two sides of conversation, talking and asking.谈话和问话有两面
551I think even for those introverts,我想即使对那些内向者来说
552they have really, really big goals in their life他们有真正的,真正的重大目标 在他们的生活
553that they care about.他们关心的。
554And so I think connecting this level one stuff所以我想把这个关卡连接起来
555to the highest goals is like critical对最高目标来说就像关键
556for the behavior to occur and for it to like net out让行为发生 和它喜欢净出
557in the incentive equation, it's been worthwhile.在奖励方程式中,这是值得的。
558Cause if you can tell me how asking,因为如果你能告诉我怎么问
559have any flop fund plans coming up任何浮动基金计划即将到来
560is gonna help me become a better CEO or founder帮助我成为更好的CEO或创始人
561or whoever I wanna be, father, mom, daughter, whatever,或者我想成为谁, 父亲,妈妈,女儿,不管什么,
562then I'm in.那我进去了
563Yes.对
564Okay, so let's talk about founders and CEOs specifically.好吧,我们来谈谈创始人和首席执行官
565There is a mistaken belief,有一个错误的信念,
566and I work with a lot of companies, right?我和很多公司一起工作 对吧?
567With a lot of founders.与许多创始人.
568They believe that conversation is anti-productive.他们认为对话是有害的。
569They worry that, oh, I don't know他们担心,哦,我不知道
570if I want my employees to talk a lot.如果我想我的员工多说话。
571I can't waste time on small talk.我不能浪费时间在小谈。
572The research shows the opposite.研究表明相反。
573And also logically, if you think this through,还有逻辑上的 如果你仔细想想
574connected people collaborate better,联系人更好地合作,
575engaged employees work better together.就业雇员合作得更好。
576We are more productive when we feel good.当我们感觉好的时候,我们更有成效。
577And in fact, the key word here is friction.事实上,这里的关键词是摩擦。
578When you have a company that has a lot当你有一个公司 有很多
579of communication friction, you have employees通讯摩擦,你有员工
580who doubt themselves, you don't have psychological safety.谁怀疑自己, 你没有心理安全。
581They have a really hard time brainstorming.他们很难集思广益。
582You have people who withhold information.你有的人 谁隐瞒信息。
583You have more information silos.你有更多的信息仓。
584Communication friction costs companies money.通讯摩擦花费公司金钱.
585And so if you have a community of employees所以,如果你有一个雇员社区
586who have very easy level one,他们有极易的品级,
587they don't need to get to level three.他们不需要进入三级
588Like you don't need to get to level three就像你不需要进入三级
589with everyone in your company.和大家在你们公司。
590You don't need to get to level three你不需要到三级
591with your Uber driver.还有你的Uber司机
592But if you have really easy small talk,但如果你说话很轻松的话
593easy banter, where someone knows,很简单,在有人知道的地方,
594oh yeah, I know exactly对,我知道
595what their personal passion project is.他们的个人激情项目是什么
596I know who they are.我知道他们是谁
597I know what fun plans they have coming up.我知道他们有什么有趣的计划
598The first five minutes of your meeting becomes你开会的头五分钟就变了
599not only frictionless, but actually pleasurable.不仅没有摩擦, 而且实际上令人愉快。
600People show up on time.人们准时出现.
601People are more productive.人更有产.
602People want to be there人们想在那里
603because they actually want to connect因为他们实际上想要连接
604and collaborate with her.并配合她。
605And this is remote or in person, right?这是远程的还是当面的 对吧?
606Because they know they have these very loose ties因为他们知道他们有 这些非常松散的领带
607and loose ties actually make us more productive.和松散的领带 实际上使我们更有成效。
608And so we are looking for frictionless communication所以我们在寻找无摩擦的交流
609and that happens at level one.这发生在一级。
610In fact, work conversations should be事实上,工作对话应该是
611really ideal level ones.真正理想的水平。
612Is this in part also the fastest way to get to connection?这也是最快的连接方式吗?
613Yes.对
614Because these CEOs or founders因为这些CEO或创始人
615or busy people generally are very time poor.或忙碌的人一般都很穷。
616For sure.当然
617So they don't have 30 minutes to move their way所以他们没有30分钟的路要走
618to connection, but are you saying that-连接,但你是说...
619These are shortcuts.这些是捷径。
620Okay.摆
621So it's way worse for a CEO to be like,首席执行官会更糟糕
622shoot, I've been told I better be warmer.射击,我被告知我最好更温暖。
623Most of my students are brilliant, very talented,我的学生大多都很聪明,很有才华
624very smart, but a little awkward and want to get it done.非常聪明,但有点尴尬 想完成它。
625They're much more focused on the confidence and the warmth.他们更注重信心和温暖.
626So they try to do warmth because they feel like they should.所以他们试图做温暖,因为他们觉得自己应该做。
627And they're like, how are those kids?他们喜欢, 怎么样的孩子?
628And then it's like a social script.然后如社会剧本.
629Good.不错
630Or how are you?或者你好吗?
631Good, busy, busy, but good.好,忙,忙,但不错。
632And they're like, it's not working.他们觉得,这行不通。
633It was anti-productive.这是反效果。
634No, I'd rather you skip ahead.不,我宁愿你跳过前面。
635Make this level quick and good, right?速战速决,对吧?
636So like the team intervention that I encourage就像我鼓励的团队干预
637every virtual or in-person team to do每个虚拟或面对面的团队都要做
638is once a week at the start of a meeting,每周开会一次,
639start with tell me something good.先告诉我一些好事
640Very, very quickly.非常,非常迅速。
641Everyone goes around very quickly每个人都走得很快
642and they share one win or something good.他们分享一个胜利或者什么好东西。
643It can be small, it can be big.其能小而能大.
644That can take less than three minutes,这需要不到三分钟
645less than five minutes depending on how big your team is.不到五分钟,取决于你的团队有多大。
646We do it on our Tuesday team calls at my team.我们周二的球队会打给我
647What it does is you've just created a safe,你刚刚创造了保险箱
648very contained space for a good level one.在一个良好的水平上,非常有空间。
649It's only good.这是唯一的好。
650So otherwise people will accidentally complain, right?否则人们会不小心抱怨,对吧?
651They'll be like, oh, the weather, oh, traffic, right?他们会像,哦,天气,哦,交通,对不对?
652But you're putting a frame around it that's good.但你把一个框架 周围,这是很好的。
653You're time boxing it, right?你在打时空拳击,对吧?
654Everyone goes around really quickly.每个人都走得很快。
655But you're very quickly creating these team connections.但你正在迅速建立这些团队联系。
656So creating time in your meetings,所以在你们的会面中创造时间,
657but also in your culture to ask slightly better questions.在你的文化中 也会问些更好的问题
658All of these level one things have one thing in common,所有这些层面的一件事有一个共同点
659which is they provoke a positive search and response.这引起了积极的搜索和反应。
660Yes.对
661So that's really the crux of level one.所以,这真的是第一级的关键。
662Just a question that's producing a positive response.只是一个引起积极反应的问题.
663Sorry, it's not always positive.对不起,这并不总是积极的。
664I do believe in toxic positivity我相信有毒性
665and toxic positivity can kill a conversational vibe和有毒的阳性可以杀死 谈话的氛围
666very quickly.很快的,你应该知道
667What we're actually looking for is emotion and story.我们实际上在找的是情感和故事。
668Okay.摆
669Right, so I might say, and by the way,好吧,我可以说,顺便说一句,
670my introverts, I love my introverts,我的内向者 我爱我的内向者
671they always say, well, what if someone says they don't?他们总是说,如果有人说他们没有呢?
672You ask them, what's your personal passion project?你问他们 你的个人激情项目是什么?
673And they say, I don't have one.他们说,我没有。
674Well, great, what an opportunity.好极了 真是个好机会
675If someone doesn't have a personal passion project如果有人没有个人激情项目
676or they're going through a hard time,或者他们正在经历一个艰难的时期,
677they're having a bad day,他们今天过得很不好
678you have an opportunity to connect even better.你有更好的机会联系
679So sometimes it doesn't have to be positive.所以有时不一定是正面的.
680You're looking for any kind of real emotion.你正在寻找任何一种真正的情感。
681So then someone says, you know what?然后有人说,你知道吗?
682I've been really going through a hard time我最近很辛苦,很困难
683and I haven't had much energy我没有多少精力
684to work on personal passion these days.这些天来都是为了个人的热情
685And then you have the choice.然后你有选择。
686You can say, wow, is there anything I can do to help?你可以说,哇,有什么我可以帮忙的吗?
687Or you can say, do you wanna talk about it?或者你可以说 你想谈谈吗?
688So it's not always positive.故不常为正.
689It's looking for authentic emotions and ideally story.它正在寻找真实的情感 和理想的故事。
690And this is another,这是另一个
691one of the other master conversationalists I study我研究的另一位对话大师之一
692who's excellent at level one is Jerry Seinfeld.在一级最优秀的是杰瑞·辛菲尔德
693So Jerry Seinfeld has a little conversational trick.所以杰瑞·辛菲尔德有一个小的谈话技巧.
694This is in level one of the book,这是书的一级
695which is he often meets people after his event他经常在活动结束后遇见人
696and they're so starstruck by him他们被他迷住了
697that they don't know what to say他们不知道该说什么
698and conversation is really awkward.谈话很尴尬
699He has a little awkward.他有点尴尬
700He's developed a trick他开发了一种诡计
701and this works really well for CEOs and introverts,这对首席执行官和内向者来说非常有效
702which is ask a numbers-based question.它是一个基于数字的问题。
703So instead of how are you, where do you live?而不是你怎么样,你住在哪里?
704So how long have you two been together?你们在一起多久了?
705And then if it's 38 years, you say,然后如果这是38年,你说,
706oh, what's been the highlight of your 38 years?你38年来的亮点是什么?
707If it's really short, oh, you're in the honeymoon phase.如果它真的短,哦, 你进入蜜月阶段。
708What's the best part?何为最胜部分.
709So it's a numbers question.故为数问.
710And this works really well for introverts as well这对内向者也很好
711is because it's fact-based.因为它是基于事实的。
712So it's like an opener.故如开者.
713And then usually from there,然后通常从那里,
714it's a jumping off point to a story.这是一个跳跃点 一个故事。
715So it's not that level one should always be positive.所以不是第一级应该总是正面的
716That's great if it can be.如果可以的话 那就太好了
717But practically speaking, it actually more is但实际上,它实际上更多
718that there's a small emotion or a small story.有一种小的情感或一个小故事。
719Okay, so the other day I was in Las Vegas好吧,所以那天我在拉斯维加斯
720and I was doing this sort of like我做这种喜欢
721step and repeat meet and greet thing after the event脚步,重复 见面和问候 事情之后
722and people come up and they're kind of ushering them并且人们上楼来, 他们有点迎来了他们
723through very quickly.通过非常快。
724So I always want to say something to learn a little bit所以我总是想说点什么来学习
725about a person in that time.关于那个时候的一个人
726What would you recommend?你有什么建议?
727And this might be applicable for networking generally,这可能适用于一般的联网,
728but what would you recommend?但你有什么建议?
729Okay, so I always whenever after speaking about book sending好吧,所以我总是说到寄书以后
730I say, what was your favorite part我说,什么是你最喜欢的部分
731or what did you learn the most?还是你学到最多?
732So I immediately ask a question所以我马上问一个问题
733that I want them to take home with them.我要他们带他们回家
734And that's actually level two, which we can skip.这实际上是二级, 我们可以跳过。
735We're not gonna skip too far ahead,我们不会跳得太远的
736but what have you always wanted to learn但你一直想学什么
737or what are you learning is actually going to level two.或者你学到了什么 实际上是第二层。
738So you can ask it,所以,你可以问它,
739especially if someone's just spent an hour listening to you.特别是如果有人只花了一小时听你的
740What's the difference between level one and level two?一级和二级有什么区别?
741Okay, oh, sorry.好吧,哦,对不起。
742Yes, we skipped ahead.是的,我们跳过了前面。
743Okay, so we'll put a pin in this.好吧,所以我们把 针在这里。
744One of the thing I want to say about that question我想说的一件事 关于这个问题
745is I read this framework.我读过这个框架
746I read about Dan McAdams framework我读到了丹·麦克亚当斯的框架
747and I was doing this conversation research.我在做这个对话研究
748And then I got invited to a party.然后我被邀请参加一个聚会。
749One of the weirdest parties I've ever been invited to.我被邀请参加过最诡异的派对
750And I get in and they tell me to take off my shoes.我进去,他们叫我脱鞋
751So I'm committed, right?所以,我承诺,对不对?
752I can't leave, yeah.我不能离开,是的。
753And then they go, guess what?然后他们走了,你知道吗?
754We have a rule for this party.我们有这个党的规则
755I'm like, what?и琌或妓
756They're like, you cannot talk about what you do.他们喜欢,你不能谈论 你做什么。
757Now this was a party of,现在,这是一个聚会,
758I think very other successful people.我认为其他成功的人。
759And all of us are like, what?我们都像,什么?
760Because I don't know about you,因为我不了解你
761but I'm pretty defined by what I do.但我被我的行为所定义
762I talk about it, I love it.我谈论它,我喜欢它。
763So I start to panic,所以我开始恐慌,
764because I'm like, what do you even talk about因为我喜欢,你甚至谈论什么
765if you don't talk about that?如果你不说话吗?
766Because so many of our conversations veer into work.因为我们的很多谈话都投入了工作
767And so I had to one,所以我不得不做一个,
768my brain was flipped off autopilot immediately.我的大脑立刻从自动驾驶器上掉下来了
769And I had to get more creative with my questions.我不得不更创造性地回答问题。
770And I had to also think that I want,我不得不认为我想要,
771I was like, I'm just going to discover things about them.我当时想,我只是要去发现 关于他们的事情。
772I'm going to try to figure out what they do by not asking.我会试着找出他们做了什么,不问。
773And that was an aha moment of,那是一个哈哈的时刻,
774we should treat level one,我们应该对待一级,
775these three bottom questions as a treasure hunt.作为寻宝的这三个问题
776That if you're going into it,如果你打算这么做,
777looking for some kind of conversational gold,寻找某种对话黄金,
778your questions have much different intention.你的问题有不同的意图
779And especially what I ended up asking was,特别是我最后问的是,
780what do you talk about when you don't talk about work?不谈工作时谈什么?
781Which was sort of this freedom.这是一种自由。
782It gave us this freedom in conversation它给了我们对话的自由
783where I want to give everyone permission我想给大家许可的地方
784that really good conversation说得真好
785does not have to stick to the same old boring topics.不必坚持同样的无聊话题。
786It does not have to be what you do.你不必这么做
787It can be about anything that is engaging you它可能涉及任何与你有关的事情
788or exciting you in that moment.或者在那一刻让你兴奋
789That is level one.这是一级。
790Level two.二级.
791So we have general traits.所以我们有一般的特质。
792We must start there.我们必须从那里开始。
793We cannot skip too quickly to level two.我们不能太快跳到第二层。
794Level two is called personal concerns.二级称为个人关切.
795Personal concerns is where we begin to connect deeply.个人的关切是我们开始深深联系在一起的地方。
796This is our motivations, our goals, our values, our worries.这是我们的动机,我们的目标,我们的价值观,我们的担忧.
797And I'm assuming you do level two我假设你做二级
798once you've got past level one connection.一旦你超过一级连接。
799So this is us going deeper with the person.这就是我们和那个人的深度。
800We're going deeper, exactly.我们要更深了
801Or leveling up as you wish, right, as you wish.或按所愿而调平,对,如所愿也.
802So the mistake traps that people make is they skip level one.所以人们错误的陷阱就是跳过一级。
803They try to go too deep quickly他们想走得太快了
804and people feel like it's invasive, right?人们觉得这是入侵 对吧?
805Especially when you're like, whoa, slow down.特别是当你喜欢,哇,慢下来。
806Or it can feel like an interrogation.或者感觉像审讯
807So we must know those basics first所以我们必须先知道这些基本知识
808as long as we do them better.只要我们做得更好
809We don't do them in an autopilot way.我们不会用自动驾驶的方式来做
810Level two is when you start to understand第二层是当你开始理解
811what motivates someone.是什么激励着某人。
812The kind of mental trick that I use is,我用的那种精神诡计是,
813you know you're on level two with someone你知道你和一个人在二层
814if you know what gets them up in the morning,如果你知道是什么让他们早上起来,
815like what goal is driving them all day,喜欢什么目标 驱动他们一整天,
816but you also know what keeps them up at night,你也知道是什么使他们在夜间不安,
817what worries them.让他们担心的事
818I encourage people as they're reading,我鼓励人们在阅读,
819think of the five people you interact with most想想你和五个人互动
820and place them on a level.并把它们放在一个水平上。
821Do you only know the basic facts about them?你只知道他们的基本事实吗?
822Are you all at level three, which we're gonna get to?你们都在3级,我们要去吗?
823It's sometimes helpful you'll notice patterns.有时候你会注意到规律的
824Like I don't know about you, but I love level two.就像我不知道你,但我爱二级。
825Like I wanna get through level one as quickly as possible.就像我想尽快通过一级
826I wanna get to your motivations.我想了解你的动机
827I wanna get to your secret side hustle.我想到你的秘密一边去
828I wanna get to your dreams and passions.我想达到你的梦想和激情
829I wanna know what keeps you up at night,我想知道是什么让你晚上睡不着
830but I can sometimes jump too fast.但我有时会跳得太快
831Level two is about making someone feel heard and understood.第二层的内容是让别人感觉听到和理解.
832And this is different than discovering treasure.这和发现宝藏不同
833And the biggest skill that we can do in level two和最大的技能,我们可以做 在二级
834is what I call dream building.我称之为梦幻建筑
835So dream building is everyone has like a secret desire,所以梦幻建筑是每个人都有 秘密的欲望,
836a secret dream, a secret side hustle, a secret passion.秘密的梦 秘密的一面 神秘的激情
837Can you be there and help them uncover it?你能在那里帮助他们发现它吗?
838That's the goal of level two.这是二级的目标.
839So give me an example of dream building.故举梦造像之例.
840Okay, so before we started, I said to you,好了,所以在我们开始之前,我跟你说,
841I have a new goal, right?我有一个新目标,对不对?
842Like I'm pitching a TV show.就像我在播电视剧一样
843That's like my secret side hustle.这就像我的秘密的一面 动作。
844That's level two for me.对我来说是二级
845It's something that I've been working on这是我一直在研究的
846secretly and quietly.悄悄地 悄悄地
847And if we were at lunch,如果我们在午餐,
848I would have told you all about it,我本该告诉你的
849we double clicked on it.我们两次点击它。
850So like that's an example of one.因此,就像一个例子。
851Another example to think about is另一个值得思考的例子是:
852what does someone daydream about, right?梦到什么了?
853Like what is occupying their mind in a good way?像什么是占据 他们的思维的方式好?
854The other way that I, a framework that I give for folks换句话说,我给别人一个框架
855is a pet or pest project.是一个宠物或害虫项目。
856So what is someone's pet project?那么,什么是某人的宠物项目?
857Like a pet at home, you kind of think about it,就像家里的宠物,你会考虑的
858you dream about it, you hope about it.你梦想它,你希望它。
859Like what is someone hoping to achieve or find or do?比如有人希望实现什么 或者找到什么或者做什么?
860And what is their pest project?他们的害虫计划是什么?
861Like a pest in the attic, it worries you.就像阁楼里的害虫一样 让你担心
862You wonder like, how can I get rid of that pest?你想知道我怎么能摆脱那害虫?
863How can I eradicate it?我怎样才能消灭它?
864And they want help with it,他们需要帮助
865but they're too afraid to ask.但他们不敢问
866Pest projects have a lot of shame.害虫计划很丢脸
867On level two, people have to feel safe enough在第二层,人们必须感到足够安全
868to expose what they feel shame about.揭露他们感到的耻辱
869But pet projects, the things they love,但宠物项目, 他们喜欢的东西,
870have a lot of pride.有很多的骄傲。
871And so you're trying to figure out in conversation,所以你想在谈话中搞清楚
872could you let someone feel safe enough to share either one?你能让一个人觉得安全 可以分享其中之一吗?
873And are there questions that evoke dream building?是否有问题引起梦想?
874Yes.对
875Okay, so what have you always wanted to learn好吧,你一直想学什么
876is an interesting question是个有趣的问题
877because it triggers growth mindset, right?因为它触发了增长思维,对不对?
878So growth mindset is when someone believes所以,增长的心态 是当有人相信
879they can change themselves, change who they are,他们可以改变自己,改变自己,
880change their trajectory, learn something new.改变他们的轨迹,学习新的东西。
881So we like this question because you're asking,所以我们喜欢这个问题 因为你问,
882are you willing to grow with me?你愿意和我一起长大吗?
883What have you always wanted to learn?你一直想学什么?
884The other easy one is what is your biggest goal right now?另一个容易的是 你现在最大的目标是什么?
885So what is your biggest goal right now is a great question.你现在最大的目标是一个大问题。
886And you can also time anchor it.你也可以用时间锁定它。
887Anytime someone has a birthday,每当有人过生日,
888you can ask, what's your big goal this year?你可以问,你今年的目标是什么?
889Right, you're like leveling them up in a safe way对,你就像用安全的方式平整他们
890because they're talking about their birthday.因为他们在谈论他们的生日。
891Any around New Year's, January and December,任何在新年,一月和十二月,
892I ask everyone I know,我问所有我认识的人
893what's your biggest goal right now?你现在最大的目标是什么?
894New quarter, new performance review.新季度,新的业绩审查。
895When we talk about goals,当我们谈论目标时,
896it activates a part of our brain that triggers dopamine.它激活了大脑的一部分 引发多巴胺。
897When we think about our future self,当我们考虑我们的未来
898it activates a part of ourselves它激活我们的一部分
899that wants to get motivated.想得到动力。
900And so level two is also giving someone motivation所以第二层也给人动力
901that in conversation,在谈话中,
902they're actually discovering an aspect of themselves,他们实际上发现了自己的一部分,
903they're tapping their own resource for motivation.他们利用自己的资源来激励自己
904It gives them permission to dream a little bit and to-让他们做点梦,然后...
905Yeah, and you're giving them the motivation是啊,你给他们的动机
906that they already have,他们已经拥有,
907but you're bringing it into the conversation.但你会把它带进谈话
908I think recently we are so into intrapersonal.我觉得最近我们很在行
909Like a lot of what you see on social media right now就像你现在在社交媒体上看到的一样
910is mindset and mantra and affirmation and productivity.思想、口才、肯定和生产力。
911And I love all of those things,我爱那些东西,
912but that means that people are actually using但这意味着人们实际上在使用
913all that excitement alone when they're journaling日记的时候,只有这么兴奋
914or when they're meditating或当他们冥想
915or when they're working on their to-do list.或当他们工作 在他们的待办事宜列表。
916We have forgotten, I've noticed,我们忘了,我已经注意到,
917to bring those goals into conversation.把目标带入对话
918We're almost embarrassed.我们几乎尴尬。
919I don't know if you've noticed this,我不知道你有没有注意到这个
920but it's almost like people are embarrassed但它几乎像人们尴尬
921to talk about their secret side hustle来谈谈他们的秘密方面
922or they're embarrassed to talk about their secret passion.或者他们很尴尬地谈论他们的秘密激情
923If we give someone permission to bring in如果我们允许别人进来
924what they have been motivated about privately他们为私欲而犯罪,
925into conversation, you get to be an ally.在对话中,你是一个盟友。
926What if you're met with a dead end如果你遇到一个死胡同
927when you ask these kind of level two questions?当你问这种二级问题时?
928Well, then you get to answer.好吧,然后你得到答案。
929Because some people haven't quite figured out因为有些人还没搞清楚
930what their biggest goal is.他们最大的目标是什么?
931Absolutely, especially also sometimes当然,尤其是有时
932introverts in conversation.对话中的内向.
933I've asked these questions to thousands of people我问过成千上万的人这些问题
934and all different kinds of things happen when I do that.我这么做的时候 会发生各种各样的事情
935Introverts also need more time to process.Introvers还需要更多的时间来处理.
936So you might ask them,所以你可以问他们,
937what are you learning right now?你现在在学什么?
938Or what's your biggest goal?或者你最大的目标是什么?
939And they might in the moment not know,他们可能马上就不知道,
940they just need a little bit of time to process.他们只需要一点时间来处理
941And so two things can happen.故能有二事.
942It's if they don't have it yet, that's okay.如果他们还没拿到,没关系
943You also have opportunity to share.你也有机会分享
944But what if I ask,但是如果我问,
945I'm thinking because I know a lot of taxi drivers我想是因为我认识很多出租车司机
946listen to this podcast because they get in taxis听听这个播客,因为他们坐出租车
947and we talk about it.我们谈论它。
948Oh yay, I love it.哦,是的,我喜欢它。
949Taxi drivers, they're conversationalists,出租车司机,他们是对话家,
950often very good ones.经常是非常好的
951But sometimes I guess a taxi driver但有时我想是出租车司机
952might be faced with the scenario可能面对的情景
953where the person in the backseat doesn't wanna talk.在后座的人不想说话
954And they might hit them with one of these level ones他们可能会用其中的一级打他们
955and then the level twos然后是二级
956and they're just getting brick walls.他们只是得到砖墙。
957But I would respect that, right?但我会尊重这一点,对不对?
958If someone doesn't wanna talk to you.如果有人不想和你说话的话
959Do you just back out?你刚刚退后?
960Yeah.对
961Okay.摆
962Because then they're going through their own thing, right?因为那样他们就会经历自己的事情,对吧?
963Like if you have to have also courage to be disliked, right?就像你必须有勇气 被讨厌,对不对?
964You can try your best in conversation.你可以在谈话中尽力
965You can bring the best questions.你可以提出最好的问题。
966But if someone is not your person但如果有人不是你的人的话
967or they are not ready to connect,或者他们还没有准备好连接,
968why would you waste your energy on that?你为什么要浪费你的精力呢?
969So I also think that asking some of these are like bids.所以我也认为, 问一些这些就像投标。
970It's like a bid to see like,这就像一个竞价看到,
971can we do this?我们能做到这一点吗?
972You wanna banter with me?你想跟我玩吗?
973Should we have level one?我们应该有一级吗?
974Should we even dip into level two?我们是否该跳进二级?
975Great.不错
976If not, cool, they're not your person如果不是,他们不是你的人
977or it's not their day.或者不是他们的一天。
978So if they don't take the bait.所以如果他们不上钩的话
979It's okay.没关系。
980Taxi drivers usually ask me,出租车司机通常问我
981got anything exciting today?今天有什么刺激的吗?
982Are we going anywhere exciting?我们要去刺激的地方吗?
983Great.不错
984That's a great swap for level one.这是一个很好的交换一级。
985I should say, by the way,我应该说,顺便说一句,
986these questions are suggestions.这些问题都是建议。
987If you can modify them to fit what you are doing,如果你可以修改它们 适应你在做什么,
988even better, like for example,更好,比如说,
989you and I are in book signings你和我在书签上
990or we are meeting you after speaking events.或者我们是在演讲后见你的
991It makes sense for us to modify the learning我们改学有道理
992or goal question to say,或目标问题要说,
993hey, what did you learn?嘿,你学到了什么?
994Or did you learn anything new?还是你学到了什么新东西?
995Or what was your favorite part?或者你最喜欢什么?
996We're modifying that for us.我们正在修改 为我们。
997A taxi driver is gonna modify it for,出租车司机会修改的
998are we heading anywhere exciting?我们要去哪里令人兴奋?
999Do we need exciting today?我们今天需要兴奋吗?
1000So like, these are not prescriptions, right?所以,这些不是处方,对不对?
1001They are guidelines to try to make the research applicable.它们是努力使研究适用的准则。
1002I've spent most of my career looking at research,我大部分的职业生涯都在研究
1003reading academic studies,阅读学术研究,
1004and some of them are 30 pages of jargon with one nugget.其中一些是30页的词条 加上一个小块
1005And Dan McAdams research is so incredible,丹·麦克亚当斯的研究非常不可思议
1006but when I first read it,但当我第一次读它,
1007I did not know how to use it.我不知道如何使用它。
1008I was like, general traits, personal concerns,我就像,一般的特质,个人的顾虑,
1009like level one, I wasn't sure.就像一级,我不确定。
1010So a lot of these are just ways所以很多这些只是方法
1011to activate the behavioral research,激活行为研究,
1012the guideline that's driving all of our interactions,指导我们所有的互动,
1013but you get to have flexibility with it as it works for you.但你有灵活性,因为它对你有用。
1014The goal in level one, treasure hunt,一级目标 寻宝
1015put someone at ease,让别人安心点
1016ask them about what they love, harvest story.问他们喜欢什么,收获故事。
1017The goal of level two is to give someone permission第二层的目标是给人许可
1018to share a dream, a secret desire or a secret worry.分享一个梦,一个秘密的欲望 或一个秘密的担忧。
1019And level three, we get to get to in a little bit第三层,我们稍稍进入
1020when you're ready.当你准备好了。
1021Oh, we have one more level three, hold on.哦,我们还有一个三级,坚持住。
1022Level two question.二级问.
1023On these questions,关于这些问题,
1024do you have to actually care about the answer?你真的要关心答案吗?
1025Do you have to authentically care about你一定要真正关心
1026what their biggest goal is right now,现在他们最大的目标是什么?
1027or what their personal passion project is?或者他们的个人激情项目是什么?
1028Does it matter if you don't actually care?如果你真的不在乎,那又怎么样?
1029There have been times in conversation谈话中有过几次
1030where I'm not sure if I care yet.我不确定我是否还在乎
1031So I would say, you don't care yet.所以我会说,你还不在乎。
1032What if you ask the question and you're not sure,如果你问问题,你不确定,
1033you're not bought in yet,你还没被买下
1034but then you hear an answer that deeply resonates with you,但随后你听到一个与你共鸣的答案,
1035or you deeply care about.或者你非常关心
1036I think we don't know always我想我们不是总知道
1037if we're gonna care about someone如果我们要关心一个人
1038because we've just met them,因为我们刚认识他们
1039but maybe you will, right?也许你会,对不对?
1040Like you never know who's gonna be your next best friend.就像你永远不知道 谁会是你下一个最好的朋友。
1041Right, you never know when you're gonna hear an aha moment对,你永远不知道你何时会听到
1042that's gonna change your business.这会改变你的生意。
1043Like so many of the pivot points in my business就像我生意中很多关键点
1044have been from random conversations是从随机对话中
1045where I happen to ask the right question在那里我碰巧问 正确的问题
1046and someone gives me a brilliant piece of advice.有人给我一个精彩的建议
1047So is it okay to pretend to care?假装在乎可以吗?
1048If you're asking the question, you care enough to try.如果你在问问题,你在乎的足够尝试。
1049Right, if you're listening to this podcast,好吧,如果你在听这个播客,
1050you already care enough to be like,你已经足够关心 像,
1051I know I should.我知道我应该。
1052I know I should be a master conversationalist.我知道我应该成为一个主对话家。
1053Like so many leaders who I work with,像我合作过的许多领导人
1054they might not feel warm, but they know they need to be warm.他们可能不觉得温暖,但他们知道 他们需要温暖。
1055I think that's intent enough.我想这已经足够了
1056Right, we just gotta find the ones that work for you.对,我们只要找到为你工作的人
1057And you talked a second ago about these questions你刚才谈到这些问题
1058that lead to dead ends, which are like, what you do.导致死路一条 就像你所做的
1059What are the other examples you gave?你所举的其他例子是什么?
1060Okay, I have a question that I hate a lot.好吧,我有一个问题 我非常讨厌。
1061I hate it a lot.我非常讨厌
1062I want it to leave our vocabulary.我希望它留下我们的词汇。
1063It's the worst question in the history of conversation.谈史上最难问.
1064It is been busy.它一直很忙。
1065Okay, yeah.好吧,没错。
1066Right, like-对,就像...
1067Been busy, what you do.忙着,你做什么。
1068When you're on the receiving end当你在接收端
1069of those kinds of questions, how do I counter that?这些问题,我怎么反驳呢?
1070Because I'm gonna get that everywhere I go forever.因为我会得到的任何地方 我永远去。
1071So how do I counter that?那我该怎么反驳呢?
1072Okay, so every time, first of all,好吧,所以每次,首先,
1073boring questions make you boring, we know this.无聊的问题让你很无聊 我们知道的
1074But boring questions asked of you are an opportunity.但问你的无聊问题是个机会
1075In fact, I think you can really surprise and delight someone其实,我觉得你可以 真正的惊喜和欢乐的人
1076by breaking the script on their boring question.在他们无聊的问题上打破剧本
1077You are going to be asked a lot of boring questions.你会被问到很多无聊的问题。
1078Let's talk about two buckets here.我们来谈谈两桶
1079The first bucket is when you're asked, what do you do?第一桶是被问到的时候,你做什么的?
1080And you're gonna be asked a lot,你会被问的很多,
1081you better have a great answer.你最好有一个伟大的答案。
1082I think having a great answer to what do you do我觉得有一个很好的答案 你做什么
1083is creating opportunities for yourself.为自己创造机会
1084What most people make the mistake of with what do you do,大多数人都错了 你做什么
1085and I have an entire chapter about it in the book,我有一整章关于它的书,
1086is when you're asked what do you do,当你被问到 你做什么,
1087they're looking for something, right?他们在找东西,对吧?
1088They're trying to understand who you are.他们想了解你是谁
1089Maybe they're even asking, what are you worth?也许他们甚至问, 你值什么?
1090Maybe.也许
1091So now the ball's in your court所以,现在球在你的球场上
1092to break the script and to surprise them.打破剧本,给他们惊喜。
1093You wanna give an answer that explains exactly what you do,你想给出一个答案 解释你到底做了什么
1094but then gives them a little bit of a hook.然后再给他们一点钩子
1095As in like creates that curiosity gap.就像创造了好奇的空白。
1096A little bit of information gap, a little bit of curiosity.信息差距小,好奇心小.
1097And we don't want to overcomplicate or be vague.我们不想过于复杂或含糊。
1098So for example, I was sitting in a coffee shop,例如,我坐在咖啡店里,
1099I was researching this book,我在研究这本书,
1100and I was eavesdropping on everyone's conversations,我在偷听每个人的谈话
1101because that's the best way.因为这是最好的办法。
1102You know, if you listen to conversations in the wild,如果你在野外听话
1103all the things you hear are great.你听到的一切都是伟大的。
1104And I was on my computer and I heard, she said,我在电脑上听到她说
1105so what do you do?所以,你怎么办?
1106I think they were on like a date.我觉得他们像约会一样
1107And he goes, oh, I have a system他走,哦,我有一个系统
1108for maximizing achievement in young learners.使年轻学生的成就最大化。
1109And she was like, what?她喜欢,什么?
1110And he goes, yeah, I work with fifth grade students他去,是的,我和五年级的学生一起工作
1111and I have a system for how they can learn math and reading.我有一个系统 他们可以学习数学和阅读。
1112And she goes, oh, you're a teacher.她去,哦,你是老师。
1113He goes, yeah, I'm a fifth grade teacher.他去,是的,我是一个五年级的老师。
1114And I was like, wow, the intention there我当时想,哇, 意图在那里
1115was to be interesting, right?很有趣,对吧?
1116He didn't wanna say I'm just a fifth grade teacher,他不想说我只是五年级的老师
1117but he gave the brain too many calories,但他给了大脑太多的热量,
1118like conversation calories.像对话卡路里。
1119The brain wants the simplest, easiest road possible.大脑想要最简单最简单的道路
1120We wanna put people at ease.我们要让别人安心点
1121What doesn't put people at ease is不能让人安心的是
1122acting like you're reading your resume.假装你在读简历
1123If your answer to what do you do如果你的回答是做什么的
1124sounds like you're reading your resume,听起来你正在读简历
1125you are turning people off, right?你要把人关了,对吧?
1126It's either jargon filled or it feels too formal要么是填词 要么是太正式了
1127or too complex.或太复杂。
1128So that answer that he gave was vague.所以他给出的答案是模糊的。
1129It was complex.这是复杂的。
1130And it wasn't the social hacking.这不是社会黑客。
1131Also, it didn't give me a link, right?而且,它没有给我一个链接,对不对?
1132Like the social hierarchy of facts.如事实的社会等级.
1133I have to know what you do before I can know your how.我必须知道你怎么做才能知道你怎么做
1134So what should he have said?他应该说什么?
1135Okay, what he should have said is not the how,好吧,他应该说 不是如何,
1136but the what.但是,什么的,我们没有。
1137I love why, but I think that that needs to come second.我喜欢为什么,但我觉得这需要第二。
1138So what he should have said is I'm a fifth grade teacher他应该说我是五年级的老师
1139and I've been working for the last 10 years.我过去十年来一直在工作
1140I developed this really unique system我开发了这个非常独特的系统
1141that speeds up reading.这能加速阅读。
1142Now we're talking because my brain went, got it, check.现在,我们说话是因为我的大脑去了,得到了它,检查。
1143Fifth grade teacher, got it.五年级老师,明白了。
1144Then I got to hear the how.然后,我必须听到如何。
1145Wow, 10 years.哇,10年了,你这混蛋
1146That answered another question that we always have.这回答了我们一直存在的另一个问题。
1147How long have you been doing that, right?你这样做多久了,对不对?
1148You're trying to skip ahead.你试图跳过前面。
1149And then it added this hook of I figured out然后又加上了这个钩子,我明白了
1150how to get students to read faster.如何让学生更快地阅读.
1151So when you think of what to do, I have a little formula所以,当你想到该怎么做, 我有一个小公式
1152if you're willing to play around with it.如果你愿意随心所欲
1153And again, a formula, always take it loosely, make it fit.再说一次,一个公式,总是松散的,使它适合.
1154I do blank, for who, by how.我做空白,为谁,如何。
1155That is doing some, it's like a gift to the other person.这是做一些, 它就像一个礼物给另一个人。
1156You're giving them a very clear label of what you do你给他们一个非常明确的标签 你做什么
1157so they can put you in a box.这样他们就能把你放进盒子里
1158And I hate being put in a box,我讨厌被放进盒子里
1159but unfortunately our brains need it.但不幸的是我们的大脑需要它。
1160Especially if it's very easy to understand.特别是如果它非常容易理解。
1161By who, because people always want, can you help me?谁,因为人们总是想要, 你能帮我吗?
1162Can you help my friend?你能帮我朋友吗?
1163Is it for my sister?是给我妹妹的吗?
1164And then if it fits, your how.如果合适,你怎么办?
1165A lot of people listening now are more multi-hyphenated很多人现在都听多了,多连字符
1166than ever before.更无前世.
1167Love, love a multi-hyphen.爱,爱一个多连字符。
1168They do a this, a that, a violin, a creator,他们做这个,一个,一个小提琴,一个创造者,
1169a LinkedIn thing, a speech, a dance, an improv.一个LinkedIn的事情, 一个演讲,一个舞蹈,一个即兴表演。
1170So how do those people answer那这些人怎么回答?
1171when they're multi-hyphenated?当它们多连字符?
1172Oh, I love it.哦,我喜欢它。
1173Okay, so two things.好吧,那么两件事。
1174A multi-hyphen, we understand complexity as humans.一个多连字符,我们理解复杂 作为人类。
1175We get it.我们明白了。
1176So you can say, you know, I daylight所以你可以说,你知道,我白天
1177as a fifth grade teacher,作为五年级的老师,
1178but I moonlight as a cinematographer, right?但我月光作为电影演员,对不对?
1179You can literally say you're hyphen.可以说你是连字符
1180If you're in a career pivot,如果你是职业中枢
1181we have a lot of students who come to us who are mid pivot.我们有很多学生来我们这里 他们中枢。
1182We love a hero story, right?我们喜欢英雄故事,对吧?
1183So you can say, you know,所以你可以说,你知道,
1184I've been working in marketing for the last 20 years,过去20年我一直在做营销
1185but I'm thinking about going back to school for psychology.但我想回学校学习心理学
1186Right, like we think that people can't handle it,是的,就像我们觉得 人们无法应付它,
1187but conversation can handle a lot但谈话可以处理很多
1188and it doesn't take a long time.也不需要很长时间
1189Now, I do want to make a note here.现在,我想在这里做个笔记。
1190The mechanics of conversation.谈话的力学.
1191So there's two aspects of conversation.所以谈话有两个方面.
1192There's the art, right?有艺术,对不对?
1193Like weaving in excitement and harvesting story.像编织 在兴奋和收获的故事。
1194And I love that, but there's also the mechanics.我喜欢,但还有机械。
1195So let's talk about that first.我们先谈谈这个
1196So the candor corpus is a huge research study所以说,神器是一个巨大的研究
1197on the mechanics of conversation.关于谈话的机械。
1198So how long do you think a typical turn should take所以,你认为一个典型的转弯需要多长时间
1199in conversation?在谈话中?
1200Like how long should our turns take?我们轮班需要多久?
120115 seconds?15秒钟?
1202Wonderful, 15 to 30 seconds.好极了 15到30秒钟
1203So in average conversation, we like 15 to 30 seconds.因此,在平均对话中,我们喜欢15到30秒。
120445 seconds is okay, but we start to turn to a monologue.45秒还好 但我们开始独白
1205By this, you mean how long we speak for each你是指我们为每个人说话的时间
1206before I let you speak?在我让你说话之前?
1207Yes, before we start to feel like,是的 在我们开始感觉之前
1208I'm talking too much, it's not my turn.我说的太多了 轮不到我了
1209So 15 to 30, and by the way,所以,15到30,顺便说一句,
1210if you want to go listen to previous Zoom conversations,如果你想去听之前的Zoom对话,
1211it can be helpful to know if you're an over-talker想知道你是不是说得太过份了会有帮助的
1212or an under-talker, right?或一个谈话者,对不对?
1213Under 15 seconds,不到15秒钟
1214you might be actually creating conversational scarcity,你可能实际上造成 对话的稀缺,
1215like not asking enough, not talking enough.就像问不够,说话不够
1216Which one's worse, do you find?哪一个更糟,你发现吗?
1217Well, I'm an over-talker, so I'm going to say under-talking好吧,我是一个过度谈话的人, 所以我要说,地下谈话
1218because I'm an over-talker,因为我是旁白者,
1219so I'm going to say it's worse to be an over-talker.所以我要说 做一个闲聊的人更糟糕
1220Wait, by the way, can I take a hit at podcasts顺便说一句,我能去播客那儿玩吗?
1221for just a second?就一会儿?
1222So the other reason I wrote this book is,我写这本书的另一个原因是
1223I think the art of conversation我觉得谈话的艺术
1224is being systematically stripped away piece by piece,被系统地逐块剥离,
1225and it's well-intentioned.则心意精进.
1226This is not a natural conversation, right?这不是一个自然的对话,对不对?
1227Like I'm in an interview,就像我在面试一样
1228I would never normally take this long on turns我通常不会轮到这么长时间
1229if we were having dinner.如果我们正在吃晚餐。
1230You're reading notes, I have notes.你在看笔记 我有笔记
1231But more and more of our off time但越多的休息时间
1232is listening to podcast conversations,正在听播客的对话,
1233but those are not real conversations, those are interviews.但这些不是真正的对话,而是访谈。
1234So one is we are hearing conversations that are not real.因此,我们听到的对话是不是真的。
1235They are a bit performative, right?他们有点表演性,对不对?
1236And they're not following the mechanics of conversation.他们没有遵循谈话的机械原理
1237That is affecting our conversational muscle in our brain.这影响了我们大脑中的对话肌肉。
1238Second is we're having more and more第二,我们越来越多
1239asynchronous conversations.同步对话。
1240I now more than ever am sending nine-minute voice notes我现在比以往更需要发送九分钟的语音留言
1241to my friends.敬我的朋友们
1242Damn, wow.该死,哇。
1243Right?对吧?
1244They send them back to me.他们把它们送回我身边
1245A voice note is not a conversation.语音音符不是对话
1246A voice note is a monologue.语音音符是独白.
1247And when you're giving a voice note,当你给一个语音符,
1248I don't get the, oh, it's my turn.我不明白,哦,轮到我了。
1249Me too, how dare you?我也是,你敢这样?
1250I don't like that.我不喜欢这样
1251I don't agree.我不这么认为
1252Like there's no back and forth.如无前后.
1253In fact, it's the most selfish form of conversation.事实上,这是最自私的对话形式.
1254And this is from someone who sends a lot of voice notes这是寄来很多语音留言的
1255because I don't need to hear your opinion.因为我不需要听你的意见。
1256I get to go as long as I want.我随时可以去
1257I don't have to worry about whatever you're doing.我不必担心你在做什么
1258And I'm usually multitasking.我通常都是多任务
1259When I'm listening to my best friend's voice note当我听到我最好的朋友的声音
1260while I'm cleaning or cooking or exercising.一边打扫,一边做饭,一边锻炼
1261So that has skewed it because we then get所以,它扭曲了,因为我们得到了
1262into real conversation and it feels hard进入真正的对话 感觉很难
1263because our muscle has been atrophying因为我们的肌肉一直在萎缩
1264with this asynchronous.与这个同步。
1265And then we are also conversing less.然后,我们也谈得更少。
1266Only three in 10 Americans socialize on a day-to-day basis.每天只有十分之三的美国人进行社交活动.
1267Meaning they're having more time alone意味着他们有更多的时间独处
1268and they are conversing less.他们谈论的更少。
1269And that is because we're able to do那是因为我们能做到
1270so much work asynchronously.这么多工作是同步的
1271We also spend so much time on our self-care,我们还花这么多时间来照顾自己
1272our longevity, our workouts that we're just我们的长寿,我们的锻炼 我们只是
1273doing less with other people.少做别人。
1274And one in six people worldwide are affected by loneliness.全世界有六分之一的人受到孤独的影响。
1275And I think that is because we're having less conversation我想是因为我们谈话少了
1276and if we're having it, it's happening asynchronously.如果我们有它, 它正在同步发生。
1277Or, and this is the last hardest point,或者,这是最后一个难点,
1278is we are now talking to technology我们现在在谈论科技
1279more than talking to each other.不只是彼此说话
1280And I don't just mean through technology.我不仅仅是通过技术。
1281Yes, we've been talking through technology是的,我们一直在谈论 通过技术
1282for a long time, but only recently很久了,只是最近才开始
1283are we talking to technology.我们在谈论科技。
1284And when I talk to my technology,当我和我的技术交谈时,
1285it sounds different than when I talk to you.听起来跟我跟你说话时不一样
1286Like I was sitting next to my husband and he was working就像我坐在我丈夫旁边,他还在工作
1287and he was like talking to his AI他就像跟他的AI说话
1288and he was like, do better.他好像,做得更好。
1289That's terrible work, do better.这工作太糟糕了 做得更好
1290And then I asked him a question, he turned to me我问他一个问题,他转向我
1291and I was like, you better not tell me to do better.我当时想, 你最好别告诉我做得更好。
1292And that is because we're talking technology那是因为我们在谈论科技
1293in a way that we would never talk to other humans,以我们永远不会与其他人类交谈的方式,
1294but our brain doesn't always know the difference.但我们的大脑并不总是知道 区别。
1295And so I think this muscle is atrophying.所以我认为这个肌肉正在萎缩。
1296And on this point of like knowing whether you are a good这一点,就像知道你是不是一个好人
1297conversationalist talker, there was a recent study谈话论者,最近有个研究
1298of over a thousand Americans and they found that 95%超过一千个美国人 他们发现95%
1299of people have worked with someone who talks too much.和那些说太多话的人合作
1300These chatty coworkers spend an average of 90 minutes这些闲聊同事平均花90分钟
1301of their work day just talking.他们的工作日只是说话。
1302And 71% of respondents said talkative coworkers prevented71%的受访者说 谈话同事被阻止
1303them from getting their work done.他们从完成他们的工作。
1304Yes.对
1305How does one know if they are the person谁知道他们是谁
1306that talks too much?说得太多了吗?
1307First is let's do an intervention on this,首先让我们做一个干预,
1308is go back if you have recorded Zoom calls如果您已经录制了缩放通话, 请返回
1309and just time yourself.只是时间你自己。
1310There is a kind of appropriate, right?有种合适的,对不对?
131115 to 45 seconds, 45 seconds is the most.15至45秒,45秒为最.
1312Second, nonverbal cues.第二,非语言提示。
1313Someone is checking out if they are opening their mouth有人在检查他们有没有张开嘴
1314as if to say something.如是说言.
1315That is a subtle cue that someone wants to turn这是一个微妙的提示,有人想转
1316but they are gonna wait.但是他们会等的
1317So if someone is opening their mouth,所以如果有人张开嘴
1318I call it the open fish, it means they wanna turn.我管它叫开口鱼 表示它们想转身
1319Like you did it to me earlier and I totally stopped.就像你之前对我做了一样 我完全停止了
1320Yeah, you did, yeah.是的,你确实,是的。
1321Yeah, cause I was like, oh, you want to say something?是啊,因为我像, 哦,你想说什么?
1322Yeah, no, so I actually do give people cues是啊,不,所以我确实给别人提示
1323that I wanna say something sometimes.有时候我想说点什么
1324And some of them see them and some of them just do not.有些人看见他们,有些人却看不到。
1325I was like fully distracted.我像完全分心。
1326You're on this more sensitive end of the scale你站在这个更敏感的高度
1327where you're almost watching what I'm doing.在那里你几乎 看我在做什么。
1328And having done what, 700 of these interviews now,做了700次采访后
1329it's really fascinating to me that some people,这真的让我着迷 有些人,
1330I have to like remain completely utterly still我一定要保持完全的静静
1331because they are surveilling me for cues因为他们监视我
1332that they're doing a good job or they want them.他们正在做一个好工作 或者他们想要他们。
1333And so if I move or like look away,所以,如果我移动或喜欢看远,
1334they immediately change.他们立即改变。
1335Whereas other people don't even know I'm here,而其他人甚至不知道我在这里,
1336which is actually what I prefer其实我更喜欢
1337because then I can like grace these notes因为我可以喜欢这些音符
1338and look in the books and I can like go to the toilet看着书,我可以去厕所
1339and come back and it's just easier.然后回来,它只是更容易。
1340And this is why this is not natural conversation.这就是为什么这不是自然的对话。
1341But I think people like you are better at conversation但我觉得像你这样的人比较会说话
1342because you see conversation not as a megaphone因为你不会把谈话当成扩音器
1343in which you're shouting through,在其中你喊过,
1344you see it as continual feedback.你认为这是持续的反馈。
1345And that's why I have to sometimes be on edge这就是为什么我有时不得不处于边缘
1346with people like you cause I know和你这样的人在一起是因为我知道
1347that you're taking cues from me.你从我这里得到线索
1348Right, and also like I'm looking for your eyebrow raises.对,我还在找你眉毛
1349Right, like one is Neil deGrasse Tyson says对 就像尼尔·德格拉斯·泰森说的
1350that every book is every eyebrow raising thing每本书都是眉毛升起的东西
1351he's ever said.他曾经说过
1352Because he'll go on airplanes and he'll just talk to people因为他会坐飞机和别人说话
1353and when they go, ah, then he writes it down.当他们走了,啊,然后他写下来。
1354And so I'm doing the same thing for you所以我也为你做同样的事情
1355is I'm looking at your eyebrows very closely.我非常仔细地看着你的眉毛
1356Don't ever get Botox.永远不要得到肉毒杆菌。
1357It'll be so hard to read you.读你的话会很难的
1358And so if you raise your eyebrows,所以如果你举起眉毛
1359I wanna double click on it, right?我想双击它,对不对?
1360Because you're the taste maker, right?因为你是制作品味的人,对吧?
1361I know I'm saying things that interest me,我知道我在说一些我感兴趣的话
1362but might not interest you.但也许对你没兴趣
1363So if you say something, if you raise your eyebrows,所以,如果你说什么, 如果你抬起眉毛,
1364I'm gonna go deeper.我会更深入。
1365I'll give you an example or tell you a story.我举个例子或告诉你一个故事。
1366And this is like, this is why this is not这就像,这就是为什么这不是
1367a normal conversation and conversation will go like this.正常的谈话和谈话会像这样进行
1368Those moments go viral, right?那些时刻是病毒,对不对?
1369Like when you go, ah, like those are like the replayed parts.就像你走的时候 那些就像重播的部分
1370Like the end of that thing.就像那个东西的尽头。
1371Right, and unfortunately we're all here对,很不幸我们都在这里
1372cause we're trying to reach people, right?因为我们想联系别人,对吧?
1373And so if you are going, ah, and you raise your eyebrows所以,如果你要去, 啊,你举起眉毛
1374and I'm gonna double click.我会加倍点击。
1375So if no one is doing that to you,所以如果没人这样对你
1376if you're in a conversation back and forth如果你在谈话 前后
1377and there are no eyebrow raises也没有眉毛升起
1378and there's no ooh, ah, wow.和没有哦,啊,哇。
1379And they are either looking away or having that open mouth.他们要么视而不见,要么张开嘴。
1380And by the way, that's also how I can interrupt someone.顺便说一句,我也可以打断别人
1381If I interrupt someone politely, I'll go.如果我礼貌地打断别人 我就走
1382It used to be that working for yourself以前是为自己工作
1383was a massive, massive risk,是一个巨大的,巨大的风险,
1384but that world has completely changed.但那个世界已经彻底改变。
1385If you've got a business idea如果你有商业想法
1386that you can't stop thinking about,你无法停止思考,
1387I think you owe it to yourself to at least try我想你欠自己的,至少试试
1388and make it happen.并让它发生。
1389And that is where our show sponsor, Shopify comes in.这就是我们的节目赞助商 肖菲兹进来的地方
1390Their smart platform includes everything you need他们的智能平台包括你需要的一切
1391to start selling and get that idea off the ground.开始卖掉这个想法
1392They have this drag and drop editor.他们有这个拖放编辑器。
1393They have this AI sidekick and helps you.他们有一个AI的帮手 并且帮助你。
1394They have analytics and you don't need to be an expert他们有分析,你不需要当专家
1395to get going.继续前进。
1396Shopify在上课时最好
1397Make sure that you're getting paid from day one.确保你从第一天开始就得到报酬
1398It helps more of your customers finish their purchase它能帮助更多的客户完成他们的购买
1399because their checkout is so efficient因为他们的退票效率很高
1400and it saves their info for next time.它会保存他们的信息 下次。
1401Personalized checkouts like that equal more conversion,个性化的抽查,像这样,等于更多的转换,
1402equal a faster growing business.相当于一个增长更快的企业。
1403Nothing kills that early enthusiasm you have for a new idea没有什么能扼杀你对新想法的热情
1404from that first initial step to get going,从第一步开始
1405being difficult, complicated or expensive.困难,复杂或昂贵。
1406And you need to save as much time and money你要省点时间和钱
1407so that you can focus all of it这样你就可以集中一切
1408on growing your actual business.继续你的生意
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1411and you can start your free trial right now.你现在就可以开始免费审判了
1412One of the smartest things a business can do企业最聪明的事情之一
1413is build like a bigger company是建设像一个更大的公司
1414without actually hiring like one.而不是像雇用一样
1415But the problem we will face is that most companies但我们要面对的问题是 大多数公司
1416don't have every skill in house.家里没有所有技能
1417So when I look at the businesses seeing real success today,所以,当我看 企业看到真正的成功今天,
1418the consistent pattern with all of them与它们一致的模式
1419is how quickly they move.他们动作多快?
1420They bring in specialists with skills in emerging areas他们引进了在新兴领域有技能的专家
1421to keep themselves ahead.保持自己领先。
1422Even in our company, we spent the last year即使在我们公司, 我们花了去年
1423pulling in talent across areas like AI native strategy,吸引人才跨越AI本土战略等领域,
1424no code builds and product workflows.没有建立代码和产品工作流程。
1425And we find this talent for our longtime partner,我们找到这种天赋 为我们的长期伴侣,
1426Fiverr Pro. (英语).
1427Their premium service only shows you vetted talent他们的溢价服务只显示你经过审查的才华
1428so you've always got the safeguard所以,你总是有保障
1429that anyone you pull in to help you with a complex project任何人你拉进来 帮助你 一个复杂的项目
1430has the skills that you're after有你追求的技能
1431and will deliver to the same high standards并达到同样的标准,
1432as your internal team.作为你的内部团队。
1433And most importantly, they'll keep up with the pace.最重要的是,他们会跟上速度。
1434It's a simple strategy, but it lets us stay agile这是一个简单的策略,但它让我们保持敏捷
1435without compromising on quality.不损害质量。
1436So if you need these kinds of skills in your business,所以如果你在生意上需要这些技能
1437向pro.fiverr.com 寻找开拓性人才
1438to fill your businesses gaps.以填补您的商业空白。
1439That's pro.fiverr.com.这是pro.fiverr.com. 互联网档案馆的存檔,存档日期2013-09-02.
1440I'll be honest, Vanessa.说实话,凡妮莎
1441I was thinking about someone that I might consider我在想一个我可能考虑过的人
1442{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}成为过头的话题
1443And when they talk,当他们说话时,
1444I don't think they have any concept我觉得他们没有任何概念
1445that there's anybody else in the room.房间里还有其他人
1446I think they might as well have their eyes我觉得他们最好有眼睛
1447completely closed.完全关闭。
1448That's kind of, I was just thinking about it the other day差不多吧,我前几天还在想
1449when I was with this person.我和这个人在一起的时候
1450And they might as well be sat there like this他们最好坐在那里像这样
1451and they're just, and they're gonna finish他们只是, 他们要去完成
1452when they feel like they've run out of things.当他们觉得自己已经用尽了一切
1453This is, there are two types of conversational people.这是,有两种对话的人。
1454There's entertainers and appreciators.有艺人和欣赏者.
1455One of the biggest questions I get is,我最大的问题之一是,
1456how do I talk to VIPs?我怎么跟贵宾说话?
1457How do I talk to my boss?我怎么跟我老板说话?
1458And this is exactly this.这就是这个。
1459And I don't know if they're a VIP or not.我不知道他们是不是贵宾
1460It actually doesn't matter.这其实不重要。
1461They are an entertainer.他们是一个娱乐家。
1462The way I discovered this framework我发现这个框架的方式
1463is I was in the green room for a speaking event我当时在绿屋里演讲
1464and a very famous person came in.一个非常有名的人进来了
1465I can tell you who it was later.我可以告诉你后来是谁
1466Very, very famous.非常,非常有名的。
1467Who was it?是谁?
1468We're gonna cut this?我们要剪掉这个?
1469No, I'll keep it in.不,我会保持它。
1470I think he's pretty famous.我觉得他挺出名的
1471Massively famous.大规模出名.
1472Okay, okay.好,好,好,我们走
1473He comes in and we have like a little bit of downtime他进来了,我们有点停工
1474before he has to go up.在他必须上去之前
1475And I watched person after person try.我看着一个人试一试
1476You know when you watch someone try你知道当你看着别人尝试
1477and this is the same thing这是同样的事情
1478when someone's approaching their boss or a VIP.当有人接近他们的老板或贵宾时
1479And they all tried the same way.他们都以同样的方式尝试。
1480Either a compliment or a question.或赞或问.
1481Oh, I love your stuff so much.哦,我非常爱你的东西。
1482I've been watching you since I was a kid.我从小就看着你
1483Oh my gosh, you changed my life.哦,我的上帝,你改变了我的生活。
1484Compliment or question.恭敬或问.
1485Oh, what's the best thing you've ever done?哦,你做过的最好的事是什么?
1486I won't get too specific.我不会说得太具体
1487You know, what was your,你知道,你是谁,
1488do you have any advice for me as a young person?你对我这个年轻人有什么建议吗?
1489Right, it was either compliment or question对,不是恭维就是质疑
1490and he was just not having it.他只是没有。
1491Hmm, yeah, yeah, nice to meet you.嗯,是的,是的,很高兴见到你。
1492Right, like quick selfie.对,像快速的自拍。
1493Just not engage.只是没有接触。
1494And I was like, wow.我当时想,哇。
1495That's what I would have advised back then.那时我就会这么建议
1496Either go with a compliment or a question, no.要么是恭维 要么是问题 不
1497Then one person came up.然后就出现了一个人
1498It was actually one of the AV guys.其实是AV的人之一
1499So he was gonna mic him.所以他打算给他麦克风。
1500And he said, can I tell you the funniest story?他说 我能告诉你最有趣的故事吗?
1501And he was like, and you could literally see him.他就像,你可以看到他。
1502Was like, yeah.喜欢,是的。
1503And this guy begins to tell him hilarious stories这家伙开始告诉他有趣的故事
1504about the first time he watched one of his movies.他第一次看电影的时候
1505Hilarious stories about him关于他的有趣故事
1506and his siblings playing sports.和他的兄弟姐妹在运动。
1507And you know, he's laughing.你知道,他笑着呢
1508The guy is laughing.这家伙在笑
1509And then he starts asking him questions.然后他开始问他的问题。
1510And I realized he wants to be entertained.我意识到他想被娱乐
1511He doesn't want to entertain him.他不想娱乐他。
1512So what I realized was所以我意识到
1513there are certain people who wanna entertain.有些人想娱乐
1514They speak longer.他们说话更长。
1515So they're more at risk of talking too much.所以他们更可能说太多话
1516They want you to laugh at their jokes.他们想让你嘲笑他们的笑话
1517They wanna share their stories.他们想分享他们的故事。
1518They're love language in conversation他们是谈话中的爱情语言
1519that what gives them energy给他们能量的东西
1520is other people giving them adoration是别人给他们的启示
1521or listening to their stories, listening to their ideas.或者听他们的故事, 听他们的想法。
1522They love giving advice.他们喜欢给建议。
1523They talk more in conversation.他们谈话时会多说话
1524The other type of person, and I think this is you,另一种人,我想这是你,
1525and actually this is me,其实这是我,
1526even though it doesn't look that way on podcasts,虽然在播客看来不是这样
1527we are appreciators.我们是欣赏者。
1528I talk all day long for my work.我整天为我的工作说话
1529The last thing I do when I wanna go to dinner is talk.我最不想去吃晚饭的就是聊天
1530In fact, when people ask me deep questions,事实上,当人们问我 深刻的问题,
1531I sometimes am like, can we go back to level one我有时会说,我们可以回到一级
1532and can you just tell me everything?你能告诉我一切吗?
1533Appreciators talk less.感谢者少说话。
1534They love to laugh at other people's stories.他们喜欢嘲笑别人的故事.
1535They love to hear interesting,他们喜欢听到有趣的,
1536aw, weird, surprising, embarrassing things.奇怪 令人惊讶 尴尬的事
1537They are much more hesitant to open up about themselves.他们更不愿公开自己。
1538Like as long as we've been talking,就像我们一直在谈论,
1539we are not personally on level three, right?我们不是个人 在三级,对不对?
1540Like we are able to hide that because we keep it back.就像我们能隐藏它,因为我们把它藏起来。
1541It is critical when you're talking to bosses or VIPs和老板或贵宾说话很关键
1542to know which one you're talking to.知道你在跟谁说话
1543Entertainers want questions,艺人想问问题
1544but appreciators want people to tell them stories, right?但欣赏者希望人们 告诉他们的故事,对不对?
1545They don't want a lot of questions.他们不想问太多问题
1546So your friend is an entertainer.你的朋友是个娱乐家
1547So you get to make the choice of,所以,你可以做出选择,
1548are you gonna go into their superpower你会进入他们的超能力
1549and let them just entertain you and keep going让他们只是娱乐你,继续前进
1550and keep talking as much as they want?继续说他们想要的?
1551Or do you want the ball?还是你想要球?
1552What if the thing they're saying is,如果他们说的是,
1553because when you hear entertainer,因为当你听到娱乐者,
1554I interpret that as you're coming up to someone我从你对某人的理解来理解
1555and sharing something that is fun and interesting分享乐趣和乐趣
1556and whatever, but there's some people that roll up随便啦,但有些人会卷起来
1557and they say, they talk about themselves他们说,他们谈论自己
1558and that's what they wanna talk about.这就是他们想谈的。
1559They wanna, you know, could be a self-esteem issue.他们想要,你知道, 可能是一个自尊的问题。
1560They wanna convince you that they are whatever.他们想说服你 他们是什么。
1561Conversational narcissist.辩才自性.
1562Okay, is that a thing?好吧,这是一件事吗?
1563Yeah.对
1564So these are people in conversation所以这些是谈话中的人
1565and this is when the levels still hold.这时,水平仍然维持。
1566In fact, sometimes a conversational narcissist其实,有时一个对话的自恋者
1567will take themselves, they'll walk themselves他们自己走
1568right up all three levels.升到三个级别
1569They'll answer for themselves in level one.他们会在一级中为自己负责
1570They'll tell you all about their goals他们会把目标告诉你的
1571and they'll tell you the most deepest things他们会告诉你最深层的事
1572that you did not wanna know.你不会想知道的
1573And that's when you get like verbal vomit, right?这时候你变得像 口头呕吐,对不对?
1574Like someone just like, they won't stop talking就像一个人一样,他们不会停止说话
1575and they're just telling you things他们只是告诉你一些事情
1576that you didn't even wanna know.你甚至没有想知道。
1577You have a choice.你有选择
1578You can either try to teach them你也可以教他们
1579that that's not the way that they should be in conversation他们不应该这样谈话
1580and you can literally say, is it my turn yet?你可以说,轮到我了吗?
1581Do you wanna hear about mine?你想听听我的吗?
1582Do you wanna hear about my goal, right?你想听听我的目标吗?
1583Like if this is the person you're gonna invest in碞钩琌硂璶
1584and you care for and you like,你关心,你喜欢,
1585you have to stand up for what you wanna share.你要为想要分享的东西而站起来
1586In your experience,根据你的经验
1587where does that conversational narcissism come from?这种自恋是哪里来的?
1588Insecurity.不安全
1589Yeah.对
1590Right, this person's insecure.这个人没有安全感
1591I don't even know them.我甚至不认识他们。
1592They're insecure and also my bet他们不安全,还有我的赌注
1593is they're trying to impress you.他们想给你留下深刻印象
1594My bet is they're trying to find something我敢打赌,他们想找到什么
1595to raise your eyebrows.以举眉毛.
1596But they don't realize that the more they talk,但是他们没有意识到 他们越多说话,
1597the more you're like, can I go home?你越喜欢,我可以回家吗?
1598Do you think they know你认为他们知道
1599that they're a conversational narcissist?他们是一个对话自恋者?
1600Do you think they're listening right now你觉得他们现在在听吗?
1601and think, fuck, that's me?想想,他妈的,这就是我?
1602Or do they not have that level of,难道他们没有这种能力吗?
1603because the person that I was referring to,因为我提到的那个人,
1604they know they talk too much他们知道他们说话太多了
1605because they say it and they've had the feedback因为他们说, 他们已经得到了反馈
1606multiple and they literally will say, I talk too much,多次,他们会说,我说太多了,
1607but then they can't seem to stop但是他们似乎无法停止
1608because it's so deeply ingrained in them因为它是如此深深的内在
1609from their childhood.从他们的童年。
1610So I'm wondering if they, you know,所以我想知道他们是不是...
1611they're listening now and they go, okay, that's me.他们正在听,他们走了,好吧,这是我。
1612Because my next question is like, how do they fix it?因为我的下一个问题就是,他们怎么解决?
1613Curiosity.好奇心无穷.
1614That's an easier question.这是一个更容易的问题。
1615I actually don't think there's a hard and fast rule.其实我并不认为有一个艰难而快速的规则。
1616Some conversational narcissists are aware of it有些自恋者知道
1617and hate themselves for it.恨自己为它。
1618Like they literally know they're doing it就像他们真的知道他们这样做
1619and they're like, why stop talking?他们就像,为什么停止说话?
1620Like they literally know what's happening就像他们真的知道发生了什么
1621and they're like, why?他们喜欢,为什么?
1622Why am I doing this?我为什么要这么做?
1623But they can't stop但他们不能停止
1624because they're so scared of the awkward silence.因为他们害怕尴尬的沉默
1625And by the way, we asked, you know, a couple thousand people,顺便说一句,我们问,你知道, 几千人,
1626what is your greatest conversational fear?什么是你最大的 谈话恐惧?
1627I thought it was gonna be rejection or judgment.我以为这是拒绝或判断。
1628No, it was awkward silences or not knowing what to say.不,这是尴尬的沉默 或不知道说什么。
1629Very mechanical.非常机械
1630And I thought, wow, 4,000 people,我想,哇,4000个人,
1631their biggest conversational fear is not being rejected.他们最大的谈话恐惧 并没有被拒绝。
1632That was one of the options on the multiple choice.这是多种选择的选择之一。
1633It's running out of things to say.话已尽.
1634So the reason they're talking too much所以,他们说话太多的原因
1635is because they are terrified of that moment因为他们害怕那一刻
1636where they're sitting with Steven Bartlett他们和史蒂芬·巴特利坐在一起
1637and there's a silence.而有寂灭.
1638And then you're like, bye.然后,你喜欢,再见。
1639I like the silence.我喜欢沉默
1640I mean, as a podcast, you have to come to terms我的意思是,作为一个播客, 你必须得出条件
1641with the fact that the guests might stop talking客人可能不再说话
1642at any moment and you might not have anything else to say.在任何时刻,你可能没有任何其他话要说。
1643That's why I don't have a podcast.所以我没有播客
1644So, and then the way that they fix it is curiosity, right?所以,然后他们修复的方式 是好奇心,对不对?
1645I do believe in like assertive curiosity,我相信像自信的好奇心,
1646like not just the follow-up, like tell me more,像不只是后续, 像告诉我更多,
1647but like the what, the how, the why, the when.但喜欢什么,如何,为什么,何时。
1648I think that those like what, how, why, when,我认为,这些喜欢什么,如何,为什么,何时,
1649that assertive curiosity of like,那种自信的好奇心,
1650let's actually dig into this dream.我们来做个梦吧
1651Like, let's really talk about it.像,让我们真正谈论它。
1652Wait, I'm confused.等等,我有点困惑
1653So if we had a conversational narcissist here,所以,如果我们有一个谈话 自恋在这里,
1654are you telling me how they would recover from that?你是说他们会从中恢复过来?
1655They would recover from it by being aggressively他们会从中恢复过来的 充满活力
1656or assertively curious about you.或者对你有强烈的好奇心
1657Okay, but they know, I feel like they know that.好吧,但他们知道, 我觉得他们知道这一点。
1658I feel like they know they talk too much.我觉得他们知道他们说话太多了
1659Okay, then I'm gonna say something好吧,那我就说点什么
1660you're not gonna like it.你不会喜欢的
1661Maybe you're not giving them enough to be curious about.也许你没有给他们足够的好奇。
1662What I would ask next time is, are you curious about me下次我会问的是 你对我好奇吗
1663or do you not feel the curiosity?还是你没有好奇心?
1664Because saying, do you wanna know my answer因为说,你想知道我的答案
1665or is it my turn yet is a way of being like,还是现在轮到我了?
1666is there curiosity there?有好奇心吗?
1667I know that's really important.我知道这很重要
1668Like I think in relational patterns,就像我想的 关系模式,
1669like there are really conversational patterns就像有真正的对话模式
1670that we can have.我们可以有。
1671So we're talking a lot about new-ish people,所以,我们谈论了很多 新人,
1672but how about the people you've known for a long time?但你认识很久的人呢?
1673My goal, my deepest wish for this podcast我的目标,我对播客最深切的祝愿
1674is that you will go have a conversation,你会去谈谈,
1675a cornerstone conversation with someone与某人的奠基石对话
1676and ask all nine questions.并问一切九问.
1677Now, if you're in a conversational rut,如果你在谈话中
1678and this can happen in friendships,这可以在友谊中发生,
1679it can happen with people who are used可能发生在被利用的人身上
1680to being the over-talker in their relationship.成为他们关系中的谈话者
1681It can happen in marriages婚姻中也会这样
1682or marriages where you only talk about logistics.或者只谈后勤的婚姻
1683This is going to break the rut这会打破常规的
1684because the whole point of this is turn-taking.因为这整个要点是转弯。
1685So I would be just so curious所以我会很好奇
1686if you go to dinner with this person and you're like,如果你和这个人一起吃晚饭...
1687hey, my friend Vanessa came on the pod嘿,我的朋友凡妮莎来了舱
1688and she gave us nine questions.她给我们九个问题
1689Do you wanna do them together?你想一起做吗?
1690I'll go first.我先问.
1691Could she do it?她能做到吗?
1692It's a she, right?是她,对吧?
1693He.是他吗?
1694He, could he do it, right?他,他能做到这一点,对不对?
1695Could he do it?他能做到吗?
1696And so this is how you can break that rut这样你就能打破这个圈套
1697to see if there's actual curiosity there看看有没有真正的好奇心
1698because I always assume the best in people.因为我总是假设 最好的人。
1699I'm hoping this person is very well-intentioned,我希望这个人很有用
1700just has deep insecurity.只是有深层的不安全。
1701It is the case, in my opinion.我认为情况就是这样。
1702If you were to give a framework,如果你给一个框架,
1703it can sometimes break you out它有时会把你弄出来
1704of a conversational rut with someone.和某个人谈话
1705I remember, I think it was you that said to me我记得,我想是你跟我说的
1706that the key to great conversations or interactions伟大的对话或互动的关键
1707was being interested, not interesting.是感兴趣,不是有趣。
1708Yeah, after Dale Carnegie, yes.是的,在戴尔·卡内基之后,是的。
1709I wish I had created with it.我希望我用它创造了。
1710So Dale Carnegie is sort of the person所以戴尔·卡内基是那种人
1711who allowed me to think about being less selfish.他允许我考虑 减少自私。
1712I think that if you go into a conversation我认为,如果你去谈话
1713thinking all about yourself, how can I be impressive?想想你自己, 我怎么能令人印象深刻?
1714How can I be smart and funny?我怎么能聪明幽默呢?
1715And how can I get them to like me?我怎么能让他们喜欢我?
1716That's okay, but it's quite selfish没关系,但很自私
1717and it's a lot of pressure.压力很大
1718It's a lot of pressure.压力很大.
1719When I started thinking, how can I go into conversation当我开始思考时,我怎么能谈
1720putting this person at ease?让这个人安心点?
1721How can I make them feel like they can impress me?我怎么让他们觉得他们能给我留下深刻印象?
1722How can I be interested to make them interesting?我怎么能让他们感兴趣?
1723And hopefully that has a rebound effect希望这有反弹效果
1724of making me interesting.让我有趣
1725That is a very selfless,这是一个非常无私,
1726conversational generosity.对话慷慨。
1727One small goal for the book was to create more conversational书的一个小目标就是创造更多的对话
1728generosity.宽宏大量。
1729That if you're in conversation and someone is over talking, you can be generous如果你在说话,有人在说话, 你可以慷慨
1730enough to either say, hey, can I have a turn?足以说,嘿,我可以有一个回合?
1731Or to let them entertain you because the entertainers或让他们娱乐你 因为娱乐者
1732or to ask even more questions.或问更多的问题。
1733And you said to me last time that there was a study that found the most liked people were你上次对我说 有个研究发现最受欢迎的人
1734those that were interested in others in conversation.那些对别人对话感兴趣的人
1735The most popular kids were the kids who had the longest list of people they liked.最受欢迎的孩子是那些他们喜欢的人名单最长的孩子.
1736Meaning,这意味着,
1737if you want to be likable, you have to go around assertively and aggressively liking如果你想讨人喜欢,你必须勇敢地走来走去
1738as many people as possible.尽可能多的人
1739Because if you go into conversations thinking, how could因为如果你进入对话 思考,怎么可能
1740I like you?我喜欢你?
1741How could I like you?我怎么会喜欢你?
1742How could I like you more?我怎么会更喜欢你?
1743It's less about you.更不关你的事
1744And还有
1745you're asking questions that are setting them up to be likable.你问的问题 设置它们 可爱。
1746I wonder, and I wishи稱稱 и辨
1747I could take a crack at this conversational narcissist that you know, if I were to ask我可以在这种自恋的谈话中开口 如果我问
1748more questions of them, like really set them up to entertain me, to get deep, to actually更多的问题,像真的设置 他们来娱乐我, 深入,实际上
1749let them go to level two and maybe level three if they want to, would they calm down?让他们去二级,也许三级 如果他们愿意,他们会冷静下来吗?
1750Would会
1751their insecurity feel, I'm understood.他们的不安全感,我理解。
1752I'm chosen.我被选中了
1753I'm loved.我被爱着
1754I think, and this is just,我想,这只是,
1755you're an intimidating person, right?你是一个恐吓的人,对不对?
1756Like I, I thank goodness have confidence.就像我一样 感谢上帝有自信
1757But if不过如果
1758I was dinner with you, I think I would feel a little bit nervous too.我和你共进晚餐 我想我也会觉得有点紧张
1759Maybe not anymore.也许不再是了。
1760But when we first met you for sure two years ago, my guess is that this person doesn't但两年前我们第一次见你时 我猜这个人不会
1761feel liked, doesn't feel understood by you.感觉喜欢,不觉得被你理解。
1762It doesn't feel chosen by you.它不觉得你选择。
1763And the quieter更安静的
1764you become, when you're just trying to respect them, the quieter you become, the more they当你试图尊重他们时 你变得越安静越多
1765don't feel those three things as they keep talking.别在他们不断说话的时候 感觉到那三件事
1766So I would try to ask better, deeper所以我会试着要求更好,更深入
1767questions, like lean into it and see if that can get them calm enough to be like, Oh, he问问题,比如靠进去 看看能不能让他们冷静下来
1768chose me.选择了我。
1769He loves me.他爱我。
1770What's interesting is I observe with people like that, that, that they step more into有趣的是,我看到这样的人, 他们更步入
1771the conversational narcissism with certain people.与某些人对话的自恋
1772Yes.对
1773So with certain individuals.对某些人来说
1774So for example, in this case, if I was a beautiful woman, this individual would, would be full比如说,在这种情况下,如果我是一个美丽的女人, 这个个人,将会充满
1775blown like word vomit.像呕吐物一样
1776Like it would fully come out, you know?喜欢它会完全出来,你知道吗?
1777Yeah.对
1778Or just women generally,或只是一般女人,
1779even if it's a platonic relationship becomes even more like intent on wants to be understood,即使是柏拉图式的关系 更像是想要被理解的意向
1780chosen and loved by that beautiful woman.被那个美丽的女人所选择和喜爱
1781Right.对
1782Like such a deep desire.喜欢这样一个深的欲望。
1783┮ии
1784wonder if you could disengage it with actually answering those three questions for them,想知道你能不能把问题解开 回答这三个问题
1785like putting them at ease.就像放轻松一样
1786I also think it's important to talk about an aspect of bad我也觉得说坏事很重要
1787conversation is making the driver of the conversation feel like they're a bad driver.谈话让谈话的司机觉得自己是个坏司机
1788Right.对
1789This person is driving conversation, right?这个人在开对话 对吧?
1790Like they know they're an over talker and就像他们知道自己是个过头的人
1791they're driving and all the passengers are like, and what does a bad driver do?他们正在开车 所有乘客都喜欢, 一个坏司机做什么?
1792They他们
1793get even more tense.更加紧张。
1794They get even worse at it.他们越来越糟糕了。
1795And so the flip side of that is how can因此,翻转的一面 是怎样才能
1796you make them feel like a better driver?你让他们觉得自己是个更好的司机?
1797And one way that we accidentally, the opposite一种方式,我们不小心,相反
1798of dream building is dream killing.梦想建筑就是梦杀
1799So dream killing is when we shut down a dream, we make所以梦杀就是当我们关闭一个梦,我们做
1800someone feel not liked, make them feel not understood.有人觉得不喜欢, 让他们觉得不明白。
1801I think that very smart people我觉得很聪明的人
1802have an accidental effect where they dream kill with logic.有意外的效果 他们梦想着用逻辑杀人
1803You know, I, I call it my, my lovely你知道,我,我称之为我的,我的可爱
1804smart leaders.聪明的领袖。
1805I say you're fact checking, not gut checking, right?我说你是在检查,不是在检查肠道,对吧?
1806If you're fact checking如果你正在检查
1807all the time, if you're, you know, trying to accuracy kill, but they're not there yet,一直以来,如果你,你知道, 试图精确的杀人, 但他们还没有在那里,
1808you're actually creating a conversational scarcity.你实际上在制造 对话的稀缺。
1809That's going to make them feel like,那会让他们觉得
1810I have to prove myself.我必须证明自己。
1811I have to dig in.我必须去挖掘。
1812Now I'm going to talk to you more because I want to现在我要多和你谈谈 因为我想
1813convince you.说服你
1814And so I think the opposite of dream building is dream killing and very smart所以我觉得梦幻建筑的反面是 梦幻杀人和非常聪明
1815people tend to dream kill by accident and it shuts down connection completely.人们往往会梦到意外死亡 它完全切断了连接
1816Like not only不仅如此
1817will you not get to level two and not, you'll, you'll bounce on a level one or you won't have a你会不会进入二层,你不会,你会, 你会弹跳到一层,或者你不会有一个
1818relationship with that person.和那个人的关系
1819I was just thinking about in my previous company, we interviewed我刚刚在前一家公司想 我们面试过
1820somebody and they were extremely, extremely intelligent.某个人 他们非常聪明
1821And it was really obvious to me这对我来说是显而易见的
1822how intelligent they were, like unbelievable, their credentials, unbelievable.他们是多么聪明,像难以置信, 他们的资质,难以置信。
1823And then they然后他们
1824went through the interview process and the interview feedback from the people that met them经历了面试过程和会见他们的人的面试反馈
1825was like neutral or negative.就像是中立或消极
1826And I remember thinking, do you know what it is?我记得在想,你知道是什么吗?
1827This person这个人
1828is so obsessed with the pursuit of truth that they put being liked or being pleased or whatever沉迷于追求真理 以致于他们喜欢或高兴
1829to the side.到边上。
1830They just care if what you're saying is true or not.他们只是在乎你所说的是不是真的
1831And that in some respects might在某些方面
1832hold them back.拦住他们
1833It's also like why I think that this person is amazing, but getting through like这也是为什么我觉得这个人是惊人的, 但得到像
1834an interview process or those sort of social dynamics would be really tough, right?面试过程 或那种社会动态 将是非常艰难的,对不对?
1835And this takes us back to why conversation is essential.这让我们回想起为什么对话至关重要。
1836Very smart people think all about非常聪明的人会考虑
1837their ideas, their knowledge, the facts, but you can be the smartest person in the room.他们的想法,他们的知识和事实, 但你可以是最聪明的人 在房间里。
1838But if people don't feel connected to you, they don't believe you're smarts.但是,如果人们不觉得 与你联系, 他们不相信你是聪明的。
1839That comes directly from the research.这直接来自研究。
1840Competence without warmth is likely to leave us feeling没有温暖的能力可能让我们感到
1841suspicious.可疑.
1842So you could be incredibly smart, but if you cannot manage the mechanics of所以,你可以 令人难以置信的聪明, 但是如果你不能管理机械
1843conversation, people feel suspicious.谈话,人们感到怀疑。
1844It literally triggers a part of their brain that goes,它真的触发了他们的大脑的一部分,
1845I don't know about this person.我不知道这个人。
1846And so the reason why level one is so critical,因此,为什么第一级如此关键,
1847but we can't skip it, is what we're doing is we're trying to create ease.但我们不能跳过它, 是我们在做什么 我们试图创造轻松。
1848That's another way of这是另一种方式
1849saying warmth, right?说温暖,对不对?
1850We're trying to make it so someone feels like they can be understood with us.我们想让别人觉得他们能理解我们
1851And then if they're understood, they're chosen.然则若能通达,则选之.
1852And if they're chosen, they're loved, right?如果他们被选中了,他们就会被爱,对吧?
1853Like喜欢
1854it's a three.这是三。
1855And this actually brings me to that third.这实际上让我到了第三个。
1856I'm so bad at this.我很不擅长这个。
1857Let's see.让我看看。
1858I will let that.我会让。
1859So I struggled with this, what are we on?所以,我挣扎着,我们是什么?
1860Sixth question.第六问.
1861Because I started this因为我开始这个
1862research with over a hundred questions and I was touching them.研究了一百多个问题 我碰了它们
1863I mean, I was making everyone try我的意思是,我让每个人尝试
1864every different kind.所有不同的种类。
1865I was using my students.我在利用我的学生
1866They were trying them.他们正在尝试。
1867I was teaching.我在教书
1868Also,还有,
1869I wanted to make sure they worked at work.我想确保他们在工作。
1870They worked at home and they worked with kids,他们在家里工作 和孩子们一起工作,
1871right?对吧?
1872Like you can do a lot of it and you have to also them slightly, but I want to make sure就像你可以做很多,你也要做一些, 但我要确定
1873they work across the board.他们的工作范围很广。
1874And the sixth question is actually a signature question.而第六个问题其实是一个签名问题.
1875So this is taking a step back and thinking, what do you love to talk about?所以这是退一步 思考, 你喜欢谈论什么?
1876What do you love to你爱什么
1877talk about in conversation?在谈话中谈论?
1878What do you love to talk about conversation when you're talking?谈话时喜欢谈什么?
1879What do I love to talk about?我喜欢谈什么?
1880Yeah, not here, but talk about.是的,不在这里,但谈论。
1881Oh gosh.天呐
1882We're going to reverse engineer it.我们要逆向设计
1883This six questions about reverse engineering your love.这六个问题 逆向工程你的爱。
1884I like to talk about psychology of people and stuff.我喜欢谈论 心理学的人和东西。
1885Okay.摆
1886So great.真不错
1887Okay.摆
1888So we, you would want to reverse engineer questions about how and why所以,我们,你会想反向 工程师的问题如何和为什么
1889if you love psychology and behavior, you're going to want to ask someone, why did you make that如果你喜欢心理学和行为 你会想问某人 你为什么这么做
1890choice?选择?
1891You know, what made you choose that path?你知道,是什么让你选择了这条路?
1892You're going to want to ask more behavioral你要问更多的行为
1893questions, even in an interviewing perspective.问问题,甚至从采访的角度。
1894Let's talk about this for a second.谈此二事.
1895So I believe所以说,我相信
1896in behavioral interviewing.在行为采访。
1897I believe in interview questions that actually let you know about我相信采访问题 其实让你知道
1898someone's behavior, not just their opinions.有人的行为 不只是他们的意见
1899So for example, interviewers will make the mistake比如说,采访者会犯错
1900of asking, what's your greatest weakness?你最大的弱点是什么?
1901It's not a good question because they're going to answer这不是一个好问题 因为他们会回答
1902a prepared answer.已准备好的答复。
1903It's not going to be real.岂能成真.
1904It's not going to tell you much.它不会告诉你很多。
1905I would rather我宁愿这样
1906you ask, what would your last manager say is your greatest weakness?你最后的经理会说你最大的弱点是什么?
1907That's a very different这不一样
1908question.问题。
1909First of all, it's not going to be as practiced.首先,它不会像练习的那样。
1910Maybe after now it will be, but you're也许现在以后它会是, 但你是
1911asking the person to step outside themselves from a behavior perspective.要求当事人从行为角度出发
1912When we step outside of当我们走出
1913ourselves and think about someone else's opinion, we see different things, even about ourselves.我们自己考虑别人的意见, 我们看到不同的事物,甚至我们自己。
1914And likely they're going to call your previous manager, right?他们可能会打电话给你的前任经理,对吧?
1915So they can confirm that in a这样他们就能在
1916phone call.电话
1917And you can even say, when I call your previous manager, what would your previous你甚至可以说, 当我打电话给你的前任经理, 你的前任会是什么
1918manager say is your greatest weakness?经理说你最大的弱点吗?
1919You're going to get a juicy answer, right?你会得到一个多汁的答案,对不对?
1920And you can你会的
1921go verify it.去核实一下
1922Another behavioral technique, which is why I like behavior so much, is not just asking,另一种行为技术,这就是为什么我这么喜欢行为, 不只是问,
1923tell me about a recent time that you managed a project, right?告诉我最近有一次 你管理了一个项目,对吧?
1924We always ask for examples我们总是问一些例子
1925in an interview.在采访。
1926That's okay, but not great because they're going to pick the best one.这没关系,但并不伟大 因为他们会选最好的。
1927What you're better off saying is, tell me about the most recent time you managed a project.你最好说说 你最近管理项目的事
1928It should be in the last three months, two months, not a year or two ago.应该是过去三个月,两个月,而不是一年或两年前。
1929So asking for所以请求
1930recency, asking for other people's opinions.谨慎,征求他人意见.
1931The reason why I say this is because that would be我之所以这么说是因为...
1932crafting a type of answer that you want, trying to craft information about a previous experience设计你想要的答案类型,试图编织关于以前经历的信息
1933that is real and not rehearsed.这是真实的,没有排练。
1934So for you, you'd be wanting to ask more behavior questions所以对于你,你会想 问更多的行为问题
1935when you're at dinner, when you're here, obviously, because that's what you love.当你在晚餐, 当你在这里,很明显, 因为你喜欢。
1936Many success people have signature questions.许多成功的人都有签名问题.
1937我认识Amy Poehler 在她的播客最后
1938she always asks, what are you laughing about?她总是问, 你在笑什么?
1939What's making you laugh recently?近来你笑什么?
1940That's her碞琌
1941signature question.签名问题。
1942An example I use in the book is Ginny Urick has a challenge, A Thousand Hours我在书里用的一个例子是 金妮·尤里克有一个挑战,千小时
1943Outside, which is spending a thousand hours with her kids outside, playing more outside off of外面,这是花一千小时 与她的孩子在外面, 玩更多的外面
1944screens.屏幕。
1945And she asks everyone in her podcast, what was your favorite outdoor memory?她问所有播客 你最喜欢的户外记忆是什么?
1946Because因为
1947she loves talking about outdoors and childhood nostalgia.她喜欢谈论户外和童年的怀旧。
1948So the sixth question is inviting,所以,第六个问题就是邀请,
1949what do you love to talk about?你喜欢谈什么?
1950How can we engineer that in your conversations by looking我们怎样才能在你的谈话中通过寻找
1951for opportunities to bring it up?有机会提出来吗?
1952So at this stage, I would turn to somebody when I feel like I've所以,在这个阶段,我会 转向某人,当我感觉我已经
1953got that depth with them and I'd say, what do you love to talk about?和他们有那么深,我会说,你喜欢谈什么?
1954And they might say,他们可能会说,
1955I really love talking about sports.我真的很喜欢谈论运动。
1956And then are you saying that opens a door and gives me a clue然后,你是在说,打开一个门 给我一个线索
1957as to how to connect with them?如何与他们建立联系?
1958So future conversations with them should orientate所以将来和他们的对话应该有方向
1959towards sports or psychology or whatever their answer was.他们的答案是什么
1960No, it would be, you can ask what do不,它会,你可以问什么
1961I love to talk about?我喜欢谈论?
1962It would be, you, Stephen, love to talk about behavior, so you are going to你 史蒂芬 喜欢谈论行为
1963ask more behavioral questions of them.问他们更多的行为问题。
1964So you get to create your sixth question.所以,你可以创建你的第六问题。
1965So right now,所以现在
1966because I'm talking about conversation, my signature question is, what's your favorite因为我说的是对话 我的签名问题是 你最喜欢什么
1967conversation starter?开始对话?
1968When I was researching cues, it was, who's the most charismatic person you know?当我在研究线索时 谁是你认识的最有魅力的人?
1969When I was researching captivate, it was, what's your favorite body language cue?当我在研究诱饵时 你最喜欢的肢体语言提示是什么?
1970Or do you ever或者你曾经
1971think about body language?考虑身体语言?
1972So it can change based on your interest, but you're creating it for所以,它可以改变 根据你的兴趣, 但你创造它为
1973yourself.你自己来
1974Okay.摆
1975So this one's a bespoke one.故此是说言.
1976You get to write this one yourself.你自己写这个
1977Exactly.没错
1978So I'm interested in psychology.所以我对心理学感兴趣。
1979So this one would be psychology related topics for me.对我来说,这个是心理学方面的话题。
1980Right.对
1981Or like what drives you.或者像什么驱动你。
1982I actually think that some of the level three questions其实我觉得三层的一些问题
1983might interest you, but I'm curious.你可能会感兴趣, 但我好奇。
1984Let's see.让我看看。
1985All right.好吧,我们走。
1986Level three.三级.
1987Are you ready?你准备好了吗?
1988Wait, before we do level three, just want to close off on this, do you talk too much test?等等,在我们做第三级之前, 只是想结束这件事, 你讲太多测试?
1989Okay.摆
1990So I have a, do you talk too much test in the book?所以,我有一个, 你在书里说太多测试?
1991It's right here.就在这里
1992So you're going所以你会去
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