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时间	英文	中文
0:00	Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good morning, everybody.	谢谢主席先生大家早上好
0:02	I want to thank all the witnesses	我要感谢所有证人
0:03	for being here.	因为在这里。
0:05	I got to say, I've been on the committee now for 14 years, and this year's	我得说,我已经在委员会工作了14年,今年
0:13	assessment is clearly one of the most complicated and challenging in my tenure on the committee.	评估显然是我在委员会任职期间最复杂和最具挑战性的评估之一。
0:21	I want to get into that in a moment, but I want to first of all address the recent story	我想过一会儿再谈但我想首先谈谈最近的故事
0:26	that is broken in the news.	这在新闻中被打破。
0:29	Yesterday, we stunningly learned that senior members of	昨天,我们惊人地了解到,
0:34	this administration, and according to reports, two of our witnesses here today were members	据报导,今天在座的两名证人是
0:41	of a group chat that discussed highly sensitive and likely classified information that supposedly	讨论高度敏感和可能机密信息的团体聊天

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序号	英文	中文
1	Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good morning, everybody.	谢谢主席先生大家早上好
2	I want to thank all the witnesses	我要感谢所有证人
3	for being here.	因为在这里。
4	I got to say, I've been on the committee now for 14 years, and this year's	我得说,我已经在委员会工作了14年,今年
5	assessment is clearly one of the most complicated and challenging in my tenure on the committee.	评估显然是我在委员会任职期间最复杂和最具挑战性的评估之一。
6	I want to get into that in a moment, but I want to first of all address the recent story	我想过一会儿再谈但我想首先谈谈最近的故事
7	that is broken in the news.	这在新闻中被打破。
8	Yesterday, we stunningly learned that senior members of	昨天,我们惊人地了解到,
9	this administration, and according to reports, two of our witnesses here today were members	据报导,今天在座的两名证人是
10	of a group chat that discussed highly sensitive and likely classified information that supposedly	讨论高度敏感和可能机密信息的团体聊天
11	even included weapons packages, targets, and timing, and included the name of an active	甚至包括武器包、目标和时间,并包括现役军人的名字。
12	CIA agent, putting aside for a moment that classified information should never be discussed	CIA探员暂时搁置机密情报永远不能讨论
13	over an unclassified system.	在一个不保密的系统之上
14	It's also just mind-boggling to me that all these senior	这些高年级学生对我来说也太令人费解了
15	folks were on this line, and nobody bothered to even check.	人们在这条线上, 没有人去检查。
16	Security Hygiene 101, who are	安全卫生
17	all the names?	所有的名字吗?
18	Who are they?	他们是谁?
19	Well, it apparently included a journalist, and no matter how much	嗯,它显然包括一个记者, 不管多少钱
20	the Secretary of Defense or others want to disparage him, this journalist had at least	国防部长或其他人想贬低他至少这位记者
21	the ethics to not report, I think, everything he heard.	道德不报,我想, 他听到的一切。
22	The question I raise is like, everybody	我提出的问题是,大家
23	on this committee gets briefed on security protocols.	向这个委员会介绍安全协议
24	They're told you don't make calls	听说你不打电话
25	outside of SCIS of this kind of classified nature.	不属于这种机密性的SCIS
26	We don't know what I'm going to ask,	我们不知道我要问什么
27	obviously.	很明显
28	Dr. Gabbard is the executive in charge of all, keeping our secrets safe?	Gabbard博士是主管一切的主管保守我们的秘密?
29	Were	曾经
30	these government devices or the personal devices?	这些政府装置还是个人装置?
31	Have devices been collected to make sure there's	已收集设备,以确保
32	no malware?	没有恶意软件?
33	There's plenty of declassified information that shows that our adversaries,	有很多解密信息显示我们的对手
34	China and Russia, are trying to break in to encrypted systems like Signal.	中国和俄罗斯试图闯入信号等加密系统.
35	I can just	我可以这样
36	say this.	说这个
37	If this was the case of a military officer or an intelligence officer, and they	如果这是军官或情报人员的情况,他们
38	this is one more example of the kind of sloppy, careless, incompetent behavior, particularly	这是另一个例子那种草率,粗心,无能的行为,特别是
39	towards classified information, that this is not a one-off or a first-time error.	对于机密信息,这不是一次性或第一次错误。
40	You	你们
41	take your extra 13 seconds, but I'm going to go back to what I addressed at the outset.	请你多花13秒但我要回到我一开始说的话
42	This was not only sloppy.	这不仅是草率的。
43	It not only violated all procedures, but if this information had	它不仅违反了所有程序,而且如果这些资料表明,
44	gotten out, American lives could have been lost.	出狱了,美国人可能会失去生命
45	Uhutis had this information that could	乌胡提斯有这个信息,可以
46	reposition their defensive systems.	重新定位防御系统。
47	So I want to get a little more information about this.	所以我想得到一些更多的信息。
48	Director Gabbard, did you participate in the group chat with Secretary of Defense and other	Gabbard局长,你有没有参加与国防部长的小组聊天?
49	Trump senior officials discussing the Yemen war plans?	特朗普高级官员讨论也门战争计划?.
50	Senator, I don't want to get into	参议员,我不想进去
51	the specifics.	细节
52	Ma'am, were you on?	女士,你在吗?
53	You're not going to be willing to address.	你不会愿意讲的
54	So you're	原来你是
55	denying, Matt, will you answer my question, ma'am?	否认马特你能回答我的问题吗女士
56	You are not T.G.	你不是T. G. 。。
57	on this group chat.	在此分组聊天中。
58	I'm not going to get into the specifics.	我不会说出细节的
59	So you refuse to acknowledge whether you are	所以你拒绝承认你是否
60	on this group chat?	这组聊天?
61	Senator, I'm not going to get into the specifics.	参议员,我不会谈细节的
62	Why are you going	为什么你要去
63	to get into the specifics?	了解细节?
64	Is it because it's all classified?	是因为它都是机密吗?
65	Because this is currently	因为现在
66	under review by the National Security Council.	国家安全委员会正在审查中。
67	Because it's all classified?	因为都是机密?
68	If it's not classified,	如果没有分类的话
69	share the text now.	现在共享文本。
70	As the White House previously stated- Is it classified or non-classified	正如白宫之前所说是保密还是非保密
71	information on this text?	关于此文本的信息 ?
72	I can confirm.	我可以确认
73	Radcliffe局长,你在集体聊天吗?
74	Senator,	参议员
75	I was on a signal messaging group.	我在一个信号通讯组。
76	So you were the John Radcliffe on that chat?	你是那个聊天的约翰·拉德克利夫?
77	I was.	没错
78	Thank you.	谢谢
79	Can I provide some context, Senator, to that?	我能提供一些背景吗,参议员?
80	Yes, but I've got a series	是的,但我有一个系列
81	of questions.	问题。
82	But I think it's important because at the outset you made a couple of comments	但我认为这很重要因为一开始你发表了一些评论
83	about signal messaging using encrypted apps so that we're clear.	关于使用加密的应用程序发送信号以便我们清楚。
84	One of the first things	头等大事
85	that happened when I was confirmed as CIA director was signal was loaded onto my computer	我被证实是中情局局长的信号被装进我的电脑里
86	at the CIA, as it is for most CIA officers.	在中情局, 就像大多数中情局官员一样.
87	One of the things that I was briefed on very	其中一件事,我被告知非常
88	early, Senator, was by the CIA records management folks about the use of signal as a permissible	早期,参议员,是中情局记录管理的人关于使用信号作为允许的
89	work use.	工作使用情况。
90	It is.	没错
91	That is a practice that preceded the current administration to the Biden administration.	这种做法在现任政府之前一直存在到拜登政府。
92	I've got a series of questions.	我有一系列问题
93	If you're making the statement, the signal is a secure	如果你正在发表声明,信号是安全的
94	channel.	频道.
95	No, can I answer that?	不,我能回答吗?
96	I've got a series of questions.	我有一系列问题
97	It is permissible to	允许
98	use to communicate and coordinate for work purposes provided, Senator, that any decisions	参议员,为了工作目的,利用沟通和协调,说明任何决定
99	that are made are also recorded through formal channels.	也通过正式渠道记录。
100	So those were procedures that were	所以这些程序是
101	implemented.	已执行。
102	My staff implemented those processes, followed those processes, complied with those	我的工作人员实施了这些进程,遵循了这些进程,遵循了这些进程。
103	processes, and finally, just please, so my communications, to be clear, in a signal message	过程,最后,只是请, 所以我的通信,要清楚, 在信号信息
104	group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.	集团是完全允许和合法的,不包括机密信息。
105	Well, we will make that determination because if it's not classified, share the text with	我们将做出这样的决定,因为如果它不是机密的, 分享文本与
106	the committee.	委员会。
107	You know, let me go, go on.	让我走,继续
108	Director Gabbard, you are the security executive	Gabbard局长,你是保安主管
109	and set access guidelines for classified information.	并为机密信息制定访问准则。
110	Did you contact the defense secretary or others	你联系过国防部长或其他人了吗?
111	after this specific military planning was put out and say, hey, we should be doing this	这具体军事计划出来后说,嘿,我们应该这样做
112	in a skiff?	在滑雪吗?
113	There was no classified material that was shared in that signal.	该信号中没有共享的机密材料。
114	So then if	所以,如果
115	there was no classified material, share it with the committee.	没有机密材料和委员会分享
116	You can't have it both	你两个都吃不了
117	ways.	办法
118	These are important jobs.	这些都是重要的工作。
119	This is our national security.	这是我们的国家安全。
120	Bobbing and weaving and	跳动和编织
121	trying to filibuster your answer.	试图虚构你的答案。
122	So please answer the question.	所以请回答这个问题。
123	If this was a, Director	如果是的话,局长
124	Gabbard, if this was a rank and file intelligence officer who did this kind of careless behavior,	Gabbard 如果这是个情报官员干的这种不小心行为
125	what would you do with him?	你会怎么处置他?
126	Senator, I'll reiterate that there was no classified material	参议员,我重申没有机密材料
127	that was shared in that signal.	这在信号中是共享的。
128	And if there's no classified materials, share.	如果没有机密材料,请分享。
129	And then if	然后如果
130	there's no classified materials, then answer the, you can't even answer the question whether	没有机密材料,然后回答,你甚至不能回答是否
131	you're on the chat.	你在闲聊
132	This is strangely familiar, and I think my colleagues remember, when you	这很熟悉,我想我的同事记得,当你
133	couldn't answer the question, is Edward Snowden a traitor?	爱德华·斯诺登是叛徒吗?
134	Man, I have serious doubts about	伙计,我对
135	your, anyway.	随便你
136	Thank you, Director Radcliffe.	谢谢你,拉德克利夫局长
137	Do you agree, Secretary of Defense Pete Hexeth	你同意吗国防部长彼得·赫克斯
138	said this morning when asked by members of the press what had happened, he, he, he, he	今早当记者问到发生了什么他他他
139	said this morning in Hawaii that Atlantic Editor-in-Chief Jeff Goldberg is a, quote,	今天早上在夏威夷说大西洋主编杰夫·戈德伯格是一个,引用,
140	deceitful and highly discredited so-called journalist who's made a profession of providing	欺骗和高度失信所谓的记者谁做了一个职业提供
141	hoaxes time and time again.	复次恶作剧.
142	Do you share that evaluation, the Secretary of Defense's evaluation	国防部的评价
143	of Jeff Goldberg as a journalist?	杰夫・戈德伯格的记者?
144	Senator, I didn't see those comments.	参议员,我没有看到那些评论。
145	I don't know	我不知道,你觉得呢?
146	Jeff Goldberg.	杰夫·戈尔德伯格.
147	So do you share that view of the Secretary of Defense?	你同意国防部长的观点吗?
148	Well, I, I, I don't	嗯,我,我不,我没有
149	have a view on.	有风景。
150	Okay.	摆
151	Do you, do you, do you, assuming that he has that view, I'm curious	你,你,你,你,你,假设他有这种观点,我很好奇
152	about whether, you are the CIA Director, okay?	你是中情局局长吗?
153	This has happened.	这已经发生了。
154	We know it's happened.	我们知道已经发生了
155	Did Jeff Goldberg somehow, was it a, did he create a hoax that allowed him to become part	Jeff Goldberg是不是编造了一个骗局让他成为其中的一部分
156	of this signal thread?	这个信号线?
157	Please answer the question.	请师答曰.
158	You, you, you don't, don't, don't insult the	你,你,你没有,不要,不要侮辱
159	intelligence of the American people.	美国人民的情报
160	Did he invite himself to the signal thread?	他邀请自己去信号线吗?
161	I don't	我没有
162	know how he was invited, but, but clearly he was.	知道他是怎样被邀请的但很明显他是
163	Did you, you did not add it?	你没有加吗?
164	Clearly	很明显
165	it was.	这是。
166	Finish your sentence, please.	完成你的句子,请。
167	I, I, clearly he was added to the signal group.	我,我,显然他加入了信号组。
168	I, your question is.	我,你的问题是。
169	No, you don't know that the, that the, that the President's National	不,你不知道,那个, 那个,总统的国民
170	Security Advisor invited him to join the signal thread.	安全顾问邀请他加入信号线.
171	Everybody in America knows that.	美国人都知道这一点。
172	Does	对
173	the CIA Director not know that?	中情局局长不知道吗?
174	I've seen conflicting reports about who added the reporter	我见过关于谁加上记者的矛盾报道
175	to the signal messaging group.	到信号通讯组。
176	You think it's perfectly appropriate that there, there was	你认为这是完全合适的,有
177	a reporter added, especially one that the, that the Secretary of Defense says is deceitful,	一名记者补充说,特别是国防部长说,这是欺骗性的,
178	highly discredited, a so-called journalist who's made a profession of peddling hoaxes	名声大噪,一个所谓的记者谁做了一个职业兜售骗局
179	over and over again.	一次又一次
180	Do you, is your testimony that it was appropriate that he was added	难道你的证词是适当的吗?
181	to this signal thread?	这个信号线?
182	No, of course not.	不,当然不是。
183	And why, why did you not call, you, you answered	为什么你不打电话,你,你回答
184	the question.	问题。
185	Let me ask you.	让我问你。
186	When he was added to the thread, you're the CIA Director.	当他加入线人时你是中情局局长
187	Why didn't you call out that his, he was present on the signal thread?	你为什么不叫出他的,他在信号线上?
188	I don't know if you	不知道你会不会
189	use signal messaging app.	使用信号通讯应用程序。
190	I do.	当然
191	Not for classified information.	不是机密资料
192	Not for targeting.	不是为了瞄准目标
193	Well, neither do I, Senator.	我也是,参议员
194	Not for anything remotely.	不为任何远程。
195	Neither do I, Senator.	我也是,参议员
196	Well, to	好吧,去
197	be clear.	说清楚
198	That's what your testimony is today.	这就是你今天的证词
199	It absolutely is not, Senator.	绝对不是参议员
200	Were you not	难道你没有
201	listening at the beginning?	一开始听?
202	No, I said.	不,我说。
203	When I said that I was using it as permitted, it	当我说,我是在使用允许,它
204	is permissible to use.	允许使用。
205	I agree that's your testimony.	我同意那是你的证词
206	Yeah.	对
207	I agree that's your testimony.	我同意那是你的证词
208	You asked me if I use it, and I said not for targeting, not for classified information.	你问我是否使用它, 我说不是针对目标, 不是机密信息。
209	And I said I don't either.	我说我也不知道
210	I also know Jeff Goldberg.	我也认识杰夫·戈德伯格
211	I don't use it to, to, to communicate	我不用它来交流
212	with him, but you thought it was appropriate.	和他在一起,但你觉得合适
213	By the way, I think he's one of the more outstanding	顺便说一句,我觉得他是最杰出的
214	journalists in America, but I'm shocked to find him on a thread that he's reading in	记者在美国,但我震惊地发现他的线索,他读到
215	the parking lot of a grocery store in Washington, D.C. And your testimony, as the director of	华盛顿特区一家杂货店的停车场还有你的证词作为导演
216	the CIA, is that it's totally appropriate.	中情局,这是完全适当的。
217	Is it appropriate?	合适吗?
218	No, that is not what I	不,我不是这个意思
219	. . ....
220	Okay, go ahead.	好吧,继续。
221	When did I say it was ...	我什么时候说过...
222	When did I use the word appropriate?	我什么时候用了合适的词?
223	Well,	那个
224	go ahead, please.	请说
225	Well, I didn't.	我没有
226	That, everybody in America, there's nothing to see here is	美国人,这里没什么好看的
227	what your testimony is.	你的证词是什么?
228	No, I never said that.	不,我从来没有说过。
229	This is just a normal day at the CIA where	这是中情局正常的一天
230	we chat about this kind of stuff over Signal.	我们通过信号聊天
231	In fact, it's so normal that the last administration	事实上,这是很正常的,最后的政府
232	left it here for us.	留给我们的
233	That's your testimony today.	这就是你今天的证词。
234	That's your testimony, Senator.	这是你的证词,参议员。
235	No,	没有
236	that's not my testimony.	这不是我的证词。
237	That's what you said.	汝所说.
238	I didn't say any of those things that you	我可没说这些话
239	just related, Senator.	只是关系,参议员。
240	I heard you say it.	我听到你说了
241	Well, let the American people decide.	好吧,让美国人民决定。
242	Let	让
243	me ask you one final point.	我问你最后一点
244	You mischaracterized it.	你弄错了
245	I'm out of time.	我没时间了
246	Well, are you going to	好吧,你会
247	give me a chance to ... Is it appropriate?	给我一个机会... 合适吗?
248	Did you know that the President's Middle	你知道总统的中间
249	East advisor was in Moscow on this thread while you were, as director of the CIA, participating	东线顾问当时在莫斯科而你作为中情局局长参与
250	in this thread?	在这条线上?
251	Were you aware of that?	你知道吗?
252	Are you aware of that today?	你知道今天吗?
253	I'm not aware of	иぃ笵
254	that today.	那个今天。
255	This sloppiness, this incompetence, this disrespect for our intelligence agencies	这种无能,不称职,不尊重我们的情报机构
256	and the personnel who work for them is entirely unacceptable.	和为他们工作的人员是完全不能接受的。
257	It's an embarrassment, Senator.	这很尴尬,参议员
258	You need to do better.	你需要做得更好。
259	Thank you, Mr. Chairman.	谢谢你,主席先生。
260	I'm going to come	我来了
261	back to the topic of the day here, the Signal chain, as reported by the Atlantic.	回到今天的话题信号链大西洋报道
262	Ms. Gabbard	加布巴德女士
263	and Mr. Radcliffe, you each testified that there was no information operational in nature,	拉德克利夫先生,你们都作证说没有操作信息
264	no classified information.	无机密信息。
265	I want to ask each of you just a series of ... Just respond yes	我想问你们每个人只是一系列... 答应吧
266	or no.	或者没有。
267	我先从Gabbard女士开始
268	In the Signal chain that we have been talking about,	在我们一直在谈论的信号链中,
269	was there any mention of a target in Yemen?	也门有没有提到过目标?
270	I don't remember mention of specific targets.	我不记得有具体的目标
271	Any generic target?	有通用目标吗?
272	I believe there was discussion around targets in general.	我认为,各方就总的目标进行了讨论。
273	Mr. Radcliffe?	拉德克利夫先生吗?
274	I think that's consistent with my recollection.	我觉得这跟我的回忆是一致的
275	Again, I don't have access to that.	再说一遍,我无法接触这个
276	Was there	曾经在那里
277	any mention, Ms. Gabbard, of a weapon or weapons system?	Gabbard女士,有没有提到武器或武器系统?
278	I don't recall specific weapons systems	我不记得有什么武器系统
279	being named.	正在被命名。
280	I'm not talking about specific any weapon or weapons system.	我不是说任何武器系统
281	I don't recall	我不记得了
282	specific names of systems or weapons being used or named within the chain.	* 链内使用或命名的系统或武器的具体名称。
283	Well, I'm	и琌
284	not asking whether ...	不问是否...
285	I don't want you to tell me what the specific weapon was, but	我不想你告诉我具体武器是什么
286	any weapon at all.	任何武器都一样
287	Mr. Radcliffe, same question.	拉德克利夫先生,同样的问题。
288	I don't recall.	我不记得了
289	How about anything about timing,	时机如何?
290	Ms. Gabbard?	贾伯德女士?
291	I don't recall specific timing.	我不记得具体的时间
292	Was there any mention?	有没有提到吗?
293	I won't get into the	我不会进入
294	detail of the conversation, but obviously there was a significant amount of planning	谈话的细节,但显然有很多计划
295	and internal discussions that had occurred prior to and outside of this Signal chat.	和这次信号聊天前后发生的内部讨论。
296	Mr. Radcliffe, you're nodding your head.	拉德克利夫先生你在点头
297	Any mention of any military unit whatsoever?	有没有提到任何军事单位?
298	Mr.	劳伦斯先生
299	Radcliffe?	拉德克利夫吗?
300	Not that I recall.	我不记得了
301	Ms. Gabbard?	贾伯德女士?
302	Not that I recall.	我不记得了
303	Okay.	摆
304	So, I understand	所以,我明白,我明白,我明白,我明白,我明白,我明白
305	that DOD policy prohibits discussion of even what is called Controlled Unclassified Information,	国防部的政策禁止甚至讨论所谓的控制下非机密信息,
306	or CUI, on unsecured devices.	在无担保设备上。
307	Are both of you aware of that DOD policy?	你们知道国防部的政策吗?
308	I haven't read	我没看书
309	that policy.	那个政策
310	Not familiar with the DOD policy, but I would say that the Secretary of Defense	不熟悉国防部的政策, 但我会说,国防部长
311	is the original classification authority for DOD in deciding what would be classified information.	是国防部在决定什么是机密信息时的最初分类权威。
312	Ms. Gabbard, does the intelligence community have a policy that prohibits discussion of	Gabbard女士情报界是否有一项政策禁止讨论
313	Controlled Unclassified Information?	控制未密信息吗?
314	Yes.	对
315	It does.	没错
316	Okay.	摆
317	Controlled Unclassified Information,	未经控制的信息,
318	according to DOD, includes information that is information that has not been approved	根据国防部,包括未经批准的信息
319	for public release.	公开释放。
320	Would you, of what's been disclosed publicly of the Signal chain, would	你是否愿意公开透露信号链
321	either of you feel that that would be approved for public release?	你们谁觉得这可以公开释放?
322	Ms. Gabbard?	贾伯德女士?
323	The discussion	讨论情况
324	that took place in that Signal chat group was a conversation reflecting national security	在Signal聊天小组中发生的是反映国家安全的对话
325	leaders and the Vice President around the President's objectives.	领导人和副总统围绕着总统的目标。
326	So, yes or no, would	所以,是或否,会
327	you approve that for public release?	你同意公开释放吗?
328	I don't feel I can answer that question here.	我觉得我不能回答这个问题
329	Because	因为
330	of the nature of this hearing?	听证会的性质?
331	Because of the nature of a private discussion that took	因为私人讨论的性质
332	place between individual leaders in our government.	在政府中领导个人之间
333	It would make sense that you would not approve	你不同意这很合理
334	it for public release, wouldn't it?	这是公开发布,不是吗?
335	There are other factors that would go into that	还有其他因素会涉及
336	consideration.	考虑。
337	Mr. Ratcliffe, yes or no?	拉特克利夫先生,是还是不是?
338	I wouldn't approve the release of classified	我不会同意公布机密
339	information.	资料。
340	Again, as I've said, my understanding is...	又如我所说我的理解是...
341	I'm not talking about classified information,	我不是说机密信息
342	Mr. Ratcliffe.	拉特克利夫先生,请问
343	I'm talking about information that has not been approved for public release.	指未获准公开发布的信息.
344	That is information that is considered controlled, unclassified information.	这种信息被认为是受控制、未分类的信息。
345	The principles that	原则
346	would have been on that would have been individuals capable of approving that for public release.	本来是能够批准公开释放的人
347	Do you... Let me...	难道你... 让我...
348	I've got 20 seconds.	我还有20秒
349	The deliberation as to whether or not we should	关于我们是否应当
350	a strike on another country.	对另一个国家的攻击。
351	Would you consider that classified information, Ms. Gabbard?	你会考虑这个机密信息吗 Gabbard女士?
352	The information was not classified.	这些资料没有分类。
353	This is...	这是...
354	I'm not talking about this.	我不是在说这个
355	I'm just talking	我只是说说而已
356	about deliberation from principles as to whether or not we should launch a strike on another	从原则的角度来考虑我们是否应该对另一个国家发动攻击
357	country.	国家。
358	Would you consider that classified information?	你能考虑一下机密信息吗?
359	I'm not talking about what happened	我不是在说发生了什么
360	this week.	这周
361	There are other factors that would go into determining that classification.	还有其他因素可以确定这种分类。
362	Mr.	劳伦斯先生
363	Ratcliffe, the deliberation between principles in our national security apparatus about whether	Ratcliffe,我们国家安全机构关于是否
364	or not to strike another country, would you consider that to be classified information?	或者不打击另一个国家, 你会认为这是机密信息吗?
365	Pre-decisional strike deliberation should be conducted through classified channels.	决策前罢工审议应当通过保密渠道进行.
366	Thank you.	谢谢
367	Thank you, Mr. Chairman.	谢谢你,主席先生。
368	Director Gabbard, were you overseas during any parts	Gabbard局长,你有没有去海外
369	of these discussions?	这些讨论?
370	Yes, Senator, I was.	是的,参议员,我是。
371	Were you using your private phone or public	你用私人电话还是公共电话
372	phone for the signal discussions?	给信号讨论的电话?
373	I won't speak to this because it's under review by	我不会说这个,因为它正在接受审查
374	the National Security Council.	国家安全委员会。
375	Once that review is complete, I'm sure we'll share the results	一旦审查完成,我相信我们会分享结果
376	with the committee.	与委员会。
377	What is under review?	正在审查什么?
378	It's a very simple question.	这是一个非常简单的问题。
379	Are you...	你是...
380	Your	你们
381	private phone or an officially issued phone?	私人电话还是正式发行的电话?
382	What could be under review?	可审查哪些内容?
383	National Security	国家安全
384	Council is reviewing all aspects of how this came to be, how the journalist was inadvertently	理事会正在检讨事情的方方面面,
385	added to the group chat, and what occurred within that chat across the board.	加上了集体聊天, 以及整个聊天中发生的事情。
386	So you	这么说你
387	are not going to disclose anything about whether you used the phone.	不会透露你是否用过电话
388	Director Ratcliffe, there's been indication that the CIA has warned recently retired personnel	Ratcliffe局长有迹象表明 CIA已经警告了最近退休的人员
389	about the vulnerabilities of Signal and other encrypted messaging applications.	关于信号和其他加密消息应用程序的弱点。
390	If that's	如果这是
391	the case, why were you discussing these issues on Signal?	为什么在Signal上讨论这些问题?
392	Senator, Signal use, as I've said	参议员,信号使用,如我所说
393	repeatedly, is permissible for work purposes.	工作是允许的。
394	I've never said that end-to-end encryption	我从来没有说过端到端加密
395	apps like Signal are a substitute for classified systems, and I was not discussing classified	像Signal这样的应用软件代替了机密系统我没有讨论机密系统
396	information in this setting.	此处的信息。
397	But as you've indicated previously, perhaps	但正如你之前所说也许
398	the Secretary of Defense was discussing classified information, and only he can be held accountable	国防部长在讨论机密信息只有他才能被追究责任
399	in terms of whether it was classified or declassified at the point he spoke.	在他发言时,无论是分类还是解密。
400	Is that accurate?	准确吗?
401	Well, I didn't say it that way.	我没这么说
402	I said the Secretary of Defense is the original classification	我说国防部长是最初的分类
403	authority, and my understanding is that his comments are that any information that he	我的理解是,他的评论是任何信息,他
404	shared was not classified.	共享没有分类。
405	But you have no way to verify that.	但你无法证实这一点。
406	I don't.	我没有。
407	Again, this is	再说一遍,这是
408	a very troubling example and a great lapse in our intelligence and our discussion.	一个非常令人不安的例子以及我们智慧和讨论的巨大失误
409	One	一个
410	further point.	还有一点
411	If you are not aware of any classified information on the discussions	如果你不知道任何关于讨论的机密信息
412	back and forth, would it be appropriate for the author to release the entire text of what	前后,是否应该由作者公布全部内容?
413	he heard or transcribed?	他听到或转写?
414	I think the author has released my understanding,	我认为作者已经释放了我的理解,
415	essentially, almost all of the information as it's been related to me.	基本上,几乎所有的信息因为它一直与我有关。
416	I don't know	我不知道,你觉得呢?
417	what calculation the author made with regard to what information would be released or not.	提交人对公布或不公布哪些信息作了何种计算。
418	I can again confirm that with respect to the communications that were related, as to me,	我可以再次确认,关于与我有关的来文,
419	there was no classified information.	没有机密信息。
420	According to the article, quote, the message	根据文章,引文,信息
421	contained information that might be interpreted as related to actual and current intelligence	* 载有可能解释为与实际和当前情报有关的资料
422	operations, and the author did not disclose that information.	作者没有披露这一信息。
423	So the question would be	所以问题就是
424	if he disclosed everything he heard, in your view...	如果他透露了他听到的一切在你看来...
425	That wouldn't be classified information.	这不是机密信息
426	I know the context of what that is, and I think	我知道这是什么背景我觉得
427	the author said might be interpreted as related to intelligence information.	提交人说,可以解释为与情报信息有关。
428	It was not classified	没有分类
429	information.	资料。
430	So it goes back to my point.	因此,它回到我的观点。
431	If he released	如果他被释放
432	all this information he did not release, he could do so without any liability at the federal	所有他没有透露的信息, 他可以这样做,而没有任何责任在联邦
433	level.	级别。
434	I think you're asking for a legal answer,	我觉得你在要求一个法律答案
435	and I'm not able to give you, but... Mr. Patel, can you opine?	我无法给你,但是... 帕特尔先生,你能说说吗?
436	You're a lawyer	你是律师
437	and you're the director of the FBI.	你是联邦调查局的局长
438	Would he face any legal liability if he released	如果他被释放,会面临任何法律责任吗?
439	the information?	情报?
440	Because of the questions you and the Vice	因为你和副局长的问题
441	Chairman have put to me, I'm not going to prejudge the situation, and that legal call	主席告诉我,我不会预先判断情况和这个法律呼吁
442	is ultimately for the Department of Justice.	归根结底是司法部的

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