纪念与感谢 | 哀悼Charlie Kirk遇刺身亡,川普发

纪念与感谢 | 哀悼Charlie Kirk遇刺身亡,川普发表沉痛声明;国际评论家与畅销作家Douglas Murray谴责左翼妖魔化言论|长文、批注、大字版、
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| 0:00 | To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah. | 对于我的伟大的美国同胞们,我为查理·柯克在犹他州一个大学校园被令人发指的暗杀而感到悲痛和愤怒. |
| 0:10 | Charlie inspired millions, and tonight all who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror. | 查理激励了数百万人 今晚所有认识他和爱他的人都在震惊和恐怖中团结起来 |
| 0:18 | Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loved so much, the United States of America. | 查理是一位爱国者,毕生致力于公开辩论的事业和他非常热爱的国家——美国. |
| 0:28 | He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, and the American people. | 他为自由、民主、正义和美国人民而战。 |
| 0:33 | He's a martyr for truth and freedom, and there's never been anyone who was so respected by youth. | 他是真理与自由的烈士,从来没有人受到过青春如此的尊敬. |
| 0:41 | Charlie was also a man of deep, deep faith, and we take comfort in the knowledge that he is now at peace with God in heaven. | 查理也是一位深厚,深厚的信仰的人,我们对他现在与上帝在天堂和平相处的知识感到安慰. |
| 0:51 | Our prayers are with his wife, Erica, the two young, beloved children, and his entire family, who he loved more than anything in the world. | 我们与他的妻子埃丽卡,两个年幼,爱戴的孩子,以及他全家一起祈祷,他爱的比世界上任何东西都多. |
| 1:01 | We ask God to watch over them in this terrible hour of heartache and pain. | 我们要求上帝在心痛和痛苦的可怕时刻照顾他们。 |
| 1:07 | This is a dark moment for America. | 对美国来说,这是一个黑暗的时刻。 |
| 1:11 | Charlie Kirk traveled the nation, joyfully engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate. | 查理·柯克巡游全国,愉快地与对诚信辩论感兴趣的所有人接触. |
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| 1 | To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah. | 对于我的伟大的美国同胞们,我为查理·柯克在犹他州一个大学校园被令人发指的暗杀而感到悲痛和愤怒. |
| 2 | Charlie inspired millions, and tonight all who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror. | 查理激励了数百万人 今晚所有认识他和爱他的人都在震惊和恐怖中团结起来 |
| 3 | Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loved so much, the United States of America. | 查理是一位爱国者,毕生致力于公开辩论的事业和他非常热爱的国家——美国. |
| 4 | He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, and the American people. | 他为自由、民主、正义和美国人民而战。 |
| 5 | He's a martyr for truth and freedom, and there's never been anyone who was so respected by youth. | 他是真理与自由的烈士,从来没有人受到过青春如此的尊敬. |
| 6 | Charlie was also a man of deep, deep faith, and we take comfort in the knowledge that he is now at peace with God in heaven. | 查理也是一位深厚,深厚的信仰的人,我们对他现在与上帝在天堂和平相处的知识感到安慰. |
| 7 | Our prayers are with his wife, Erica, the two young, beloved children, and his entire family, who he loved more than anything in the world. | 我们与他的妻子埃丽卡,两个年幼,爱戴的孩子,以及他全家一起祈祷,他爱的比世界上任何东西都多. |
| 8 | We ask God to watch over them in this terrible hour of heartache and pain. | 我们要求上帝在心痛和痛苦的可怕时刻照顾他们。 |
| 9 | This is a dark moment for America. | 对美国来说,这是一个黑暗的时刻。 |
| 10 | Charlie Kirk traveled the nation, joyfully engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate. | 查理·柯克巡游全国,愉快地与对诚信辩论感兴趣的所有人接触. |
| 11 | His mission was to bring young people into the political process, which he did better than anybody ever, | 他的使命是让年轻人参与政治进程,他比任何人都做得更好, |
| 12 | to share his love of country and to spread the simple words of common sense. | 分享他对国家的热爱,传播常识中的简单词. |
| 13 | On campuses nationwide, he championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor, and grace. | 在全国的校园里,他以勇气,逻辑,幽默,优雅的风度来捍卫自己的思想. |
| 14 | It's a long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder | 所有美国人和媒体都已经过去了 面对暴力和谋杀的事实 |
| 15 | are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, | 是日复一日地、年复一年地妖魔化你所不同意的人的悲惨后果; |
| 16 | in the most hateful and despicable way possible. | 以最可恶和卑鄙的方式 |
| 17 | For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie | 多年来,激进左翼的人 比较了像查理这样的优秀美国人 |
| 18 | to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. | 给纳粹 和世界上最糟糕的杀人犯和罪犯 |
| 19 | This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, | 这种言论对我们今天在我国看到的恐怖主义负有直接责任, |
| 20 | and it must stop right now. | 它必须立刻停止。 |
| 21 | My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity | 我的政府会找到所有 造成这场暴行的人 |
| 22 | and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it | 其他政治暴力,包括资助和支持这种暴力的组织 |
| 23 | as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country. | 以及那些追杀我们法官的人 执法人员 以及所有为我国带来秩序的人 |
| 24 | From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father, | 去年在宾夕法尼亚州巴特勒发生的袭击 杀死了一位丈夫和父亲 |
| 25 | to the attacks on ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive in the streets of New York, | 袭击ICE特工 谋杀纽约街头的医护人员 |
| 26 | to the shooting of House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and three others, | 向众议院多数党领袖史蒂夫·斯卡利斯和另外三个人开枪 |
| 27 | radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives. | 激进左翼的政治暴力伤害了太多无辜的人,夺走了太多的生命。 |
| 28 | Tonight, I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died, | 今晚,我要求所有美国人 致力于美国的价值, 查理·柯克的生死, |
| 29 | the values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law, and the patriotic devotion and love of God. | 言论自由、公民权、法治、爱国奉献和爱神的价值观。 |
| 30 | Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country. | 查理是美国最优秀的,袭击他的怪物正在攻击我们整个国家. |
| 31 | An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together we will ensure that his voice, | 一个刺客试图用子弹压制他 但他失败了 因为一起我们会确保他的声音 |
| 32 | his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come. | 他的遗言和遗产将永存 无数世代的后代。 |
| 33 | Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before, | 今天,由于这一令人发指的行为,查理的声音变得比以往任何时候都大而宏伟, |
| 34 | and it's not even close. | 它甚至没有接近。 |
| 35 | May God bless his memory, may God watch over his family, and may God bless the United States of America. | 愿上帝保佑他的记忆,愿上帝保佑他的家庭,愿上帝保佑美利坚合众国。 |
| 36 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 37 | Joining me now is the author of groundbreaking works, International Bestsellers, | 现在加入我的行列 是开创性作品的作者 国际畅销书店 |
| 38 | his latest on democracies and death cults, Douglas Murray. | 他最新的民主与死亡邪教 道格拉斯·默里 |
| 39 | Let's start with the murder of Charlie Kirk, one of the brightest and bravest voices of his generation, | 让我们从查理・柯克被谋杀开始 他这一代最聪明最勇敢的声音之一 |
| 40 | a genuinely decent man, a father of two, shot dead at the age of 31. | 一个真正的正直的人,一个两个父亲,在31岁时被枪杀。 |
| 41 | At the type of event that had really become synonymous with his name, | 在真正成为他的名字同义词的事件类型上, |
| 42 | he understood the importance of robust debate, of maintaining dialogue with your ideological opponents. | 他理解与意识形态对手保持对话的重要性。 |
| 43 | When people stop talking, really bad stuff sucks. | 当人们停止说话, 真正的坏东西烂。 |
| 44 | When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. | 当婚姻停止交谈时,离婚就会发生. |
| 45 | When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. | 当文明停止对话时,内战随之而来。 |
| 46 | When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, | 当你不再与你不同意的人有人类联系时 |
| 47 | it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group. | 想要对这个团体实施暴力就容易多了。 |
| 48 | What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have reasonable disagreement where violence is not an option. | 我们作为一个文化必须恢复的是,在暴力不是一个选择的情况下,能够有合理的分歧。 |
| 49 | Douglas, this is a heartbreaking, unimaginable loss. | 道格拉斯,这是一个令人心碎,难以想象的损失。 |
| 50 | Yeah, we're speaking just a few hours after the murder of Charlie Kirk, | 是的,我们是在查理・柯克被杀后的几小时 |
| 51 | and I suppose, like everyone, my thoughts are with Charlie, | 我想,和大家一样, 我的想法与查理, |
| 52 | but also his wife, his young wife, and his two young children that he leaves behind. | 他的妻子,他的女儿,和他留下的两个小孩。 |
| 53 | It's an extraordinary, appalling act of violence, | 这是一个非凡的,可怕的暴力行动, |
| 54 | and I wish I could say that it's completely surprising, | 我希望我能说 这完全令人惊讶, |
| 55 | but it isn't because, of course, we've had assassination attempts on President Trump, | 但这并不是因为,当然,我们曾试图暗杀特朗普总统, |
| 56 | who Charlie Kirk has been a very vocal supporter and ally of for many years now, | 查理·柯克多年来一直非常声名狼藉的支持者和盟友 |
| 57 | and there have been many threats over the years against Charlie himself. | 几年来,查理本人受到许多威胁 |
| 58 | What we just heard him saying in that video is something that Charlie said often, and it's completely true. | 我们刚刚听到他在录像里说的话 是查理经常说的,这是完全真实的。 |
| 59 | He spent a lot of his energies since he first came onto the scene at the young age of about 18 or so and founded Turning Point. | 他从18岁左右的年轻时才来到现场,并创立了"转角"(Turning Point),就花费了大量精力. |
| 60 | Since then, he had always made an effort to stress this point, | 此后,他一直努力强调这一点, |
| 61 | that yes, you need to be able to talk, you need to have differences of opinion out in the public square, | 是的,你需要能够说话, 你需要有意见分歧 在公共广场上, |
| 62 | and that it is the best way to avoid a dissent into political violence. | 并且这是避免持不同意见的政治暴力的最佳办法。 |
| 63 | And although he made that point so often, so many of his critics, | 尽管他经常提出这一点, 这么多他的批评者, |
| 64 | most of whom I suspect really never listened to anything that Charlie said, demonized him, | 我怀疑大部分人 从来没有听过查理的话 妖魔化了他 |
| 65 | misrepresented him, and did that classic thing that unfortunately so much of the left does, | 歪曲了他 做了那件经典的事 很不幸的左手做了很多 |
| 66 | which is to regard their political opponents not just as wrong, but as evil. | 也就是把他们的政治对手 不仅视为错误,而且视为邪恶 |
| 67 | And this is something that many of us have pointed out over the years. | 这是我们很多人多年来指出的。 |
| 68 | Most conservatives tend to think that the left is wrong, but not that it is certainly not in its entirety evil. | 大多数保守派倾向于认为左派是错误的,但并不认为它肯定不是完全的邪恶. |
| 69 | But that favor is not returned the other way around. | 但这种恩惠不是反过来的 |
| 70 | And so we have people routinely claiming that mainstream conservative voices like Charlie Kirk's are somehow extreme, | 我们经常有人声称 像查理·柯克这样主流保守派的声音 有点极端 |
| 71 | and that they somehow themselves are causing harm. | 而他们自己却在伤害自己。 |
| 72 | Think of all the people in recent years who Charlie has talked about, who you and I, Rita, have talked about, | 想想近年来查理谈论过的人 你和我丽塔谈论过的人 |
| 73 | who have said that words are violence and that countering ideas or questioning ideas is literally killing people and much more. | 他们说过,言语是暴力,反对思想或质疑思想实际上在杀人,甚至更多。 |
| 74 | Well, here we see once again the reality of it. | 好了,在这里,我们再次看到它的现实。 |
| 75 | Words are not violence. | 语言不是暴力。 |
| 76 | Shooting somebody in the throat is violence. | 射中喉咙就是暴力 |
| 77 | And I really hope that a moment like this, as well as thinking of Charlie and his family, | 我真的希望这样的时刻 以及查理和他的家人 |
| 78 | people think if they're on the side that has been demonizing their opponents to such an extent and dehumanizing them, | 人们会认为如果他们站在一边 一直把对手妖魔化到这样程度 并且把他们非人化 |
| 79 | I hope they think themselves about the fruits of their own words. | 我希望他们能思考自己言辞的成果。 |
| 80 | And Charlie was rare. | 查理是罕见的。 |
| 81 | He had the ability to persuade so many from across the political divide. | 他有能力从政治分歧中说服这么多人。 |
| 82 | That's rare these days. | 这几天很少见 |
| 83 | It made him enormously influential, particularly amongst young men. | 这使他有很大的影响力,特别是在年轻人中。 |
| 84 | And, Douglas, it was such a wholesome message at its heart. | 而且,道格拉斯,这是如此 一个美好的信息 在它的心脏。 |
| 85 | It was about prioritizing family and religion and truth. | 这是关于家庭、宗教和真理的优先考虑。 |
| 86 | And you spoke about the hate he received. | 你提到他受到的仇恨 |
| 87 | It was so unhinged, so ugly, a lot of it from media. | 它是如此的不hing,如此丑陋, 很多来自媒体。 |
| 88 | And it continued even after he was shot. | 甚至在他中枪之后,它仍在继续。 |
| 89 | Let me play you a little of the discussion on MSNBC earlier today. | 今天早些时候,我给你们播放一下关于MSNBC的讨论。 |
| 90 | He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, | 他是其中最分裂, 特别是分裂的年轻人物之一, |
| 91 | who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. | 他们不断推动这种仇恨言论或针对某些群体。 |
| 92 | And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. | 我总是回到仇恨的思想中,导致仇恨的言语,然后导致仇恨的行动. |
| 93 | I'm not going to say what I want to say. | 我不会说我想说的话 |
| 94 | What's your response, Douglas, to what you just heard? | 道格拉斯,你刚才听到的是什么反应? |
| 95 | 那是Matthew Dowd在MSNBC之前。 | |
| 96 | Well, I mean, the obvious thing is to make a rhetorical point about what Dowd said there, | 嗯,我的意思是,很明显的事情是 做一个修辞性的观点 关于道德在那里说, |
| 97 | which is what if somebody had hateful thoughts about him? | 如果有人对他有恨意呢? |
| 98 | What if his hateful words that he said just there led to somebody shooting him or loved one of his or a friend of his in the throat? | 如果他刚才说的讨厌的话 导致有人朝他开枪 或爱他的一个朋友 喉咙里的人 |
| 99 | Would he exercise the same attempt at logical consistency then? | 那么他是否也会在逻辑上保持一致? |
| 100 | I would think not, probably. | 我想可能不会 |
| 101 | But yes, that is an absolutely classic example of smearing the only just dead. | 但是,是的,这是一个绝对经典的例子 抹黑唯一刚刚死去的人。 |
| 102 | And what Matthew Dowd said there is completely shameful. | 而马修·道德所说的完全是可耻的. |
| 103 | And if MSNBC had any shame, they would have said that immediately to him and taken him off the air. | 如果MSNBC有任何羞耻的话,他们会立刻对他说,然后把他从广播中带走. |
| 104 | What Charlie Kirk argued for throughout his public life, which was effectively throughout his adult life, | 查理·柯克所争论的 整个公共生活 在他的成年生活中都是有效的 |
| 105 | were very straightforward things that were not controversial until very, very recently. | 非常直截了当的事情 直到最近才引起争议 |
| 106 | For instance, what this ignoramus Dowd thinks is controversial if he bothered ever to listen to anything that Charlie Kirk said, | 比方说,这个无知的道德所认为的,是有争议的,如果他不听查理·柯克的话, |
| 107 | and I doubt he did before deciding to smear him before his corpse is cold. | 我怀疑他在他的尸体冷冻之前 曾决定给他抹黑 |
| 108 | Charlie Kirk说过的 是两种性别 | |
| 109 | There are men and there are women. | 有男子有妇女. |
| 110 | He said America is a tremendous country and he was enormously proud of it and an extraordinary patriot. | 他说,美国是一个巨大的国家,他为此感到非常骄傲,并且是一个非凡的爱国者。 |
| 111 | Neither of these things were controversial until very, very recently. | 这两件事直到最近都没有引起争议。 |
| 112 | Charlie Kirk argued for biblical values, for Judeo-Christian values. | 查理·柯克主张圣经价值,为犹太-基督教价值. |
| 113 | That wasn't controversial until extremely recently. | 这直到最近才引起争议 |
| 114 | None of what Charlie Kirk argued for was in any way hateful. | 查理·柯克所争辩的一切 都毫无仇恨 |
| 115 | And I wish, as I say, that people like Dowd, MSNBC and many others realize that the hate has been so disproportionately coming from them. | 我希望,正如我所言,像道德,MSNBC和许多其他人 都意识到,仇恨 如此不成比例地来自他们。 |
| 116 | It's them who say that saying that America is a good country is somehow hateful. | 是他们说说美国是个好国家 有点让人讨厌 |
| 117 | It's them that says that saying that there are two biological sexes is somehow hateful. | 是他们说说有两种生理性别 有点让人讨厌 |
| 118 | No, it isn't. | 不,这不是。 |
| 119 | None of that was ever hateful. | 这些都从未有过仇恨 |
| 120 | It was a statement of fact or of opinion. | 这是事实陈述或意见陈述。 |
| 121 | And that used to be allowed in America and that used to be respected in America. | 这在美国曾经是允许的 在美国也曾经受到尊重 |
| 122 | And it's a terrible, terrible demonstration of where America and the West has come to. | 它是一个可怕的,可怕的演示 美国和西方的到来。 |
| 123 | That the statement of obvious truths and the statement of opinions that millions and millions of people hold fast to should be smeared in this way. | 显而易见的真理的说法和数百万人坚持的观点的说法,应该这样抹黑。 |
| 124 | Dowd said plenty more and there's been other media outlets who have disgraced themselves today. | Dowd说了很多, 还有其他媒体今天羞辱自己。 |
| 125 | Just to clarify, he made those comments after Charlie was shot, but before his death was announced. | 为了澄清,他在查理被枪杀后发表了这些评论,但在宣布他的死亡之前. |
| 126 | But shameful at any time to be saying that, to be blaming the victim for speaking the truth. | 但可耻的是,在任何时间都这样说, 指责受害者说出真相。 |
| 127 | Douglas, the next generation of young men in particular are becoming increasingly conservative, increasingly right wing, | 道格拉斯,特别是下一代年轻人 越来越保守,越来越右翼, |
| 128 | rejecting so much of the leftist ideology that's been shoved down their throats by the culture, by schools and universities. | 拒绝太多的左派意识形态 被文化、学校和大学 塞进他们的喉咙 |
| 129 | And like yourself, Charlie Kirk has played a significant role in that. | 和你一样,查理·柯克在这方面也发挥了重要作用. |
| 130 | In opening the eyes of so many young Americans, young people across the West and making them unafraid to speak, | 打开这么多美国年轻人的眼睛, 西方各地的年轻人, 让他们不害怕说话, |
| 131 | making them say their opinions boldly and putting forward an alternative view to the prevailing dogma. | 让他们大胆地表达自己的意见,并提出替代主流教条的观点。 |
| 132 | And Douglas, he always did it so politely, even in the face of terrible abuse. | 而道格拉斯,他总是这么有礼貌,甚至面对可怕的虐待. |
| 133 | I used to play his videos on this program all the time, the interactions where he would cop this ugly, unhinged abuse. | 我经常在这个节目上播放他的视频 他的交互能力会让这个丑陋无耻的虐待发生 |
| 134 | And he would always remain calm and politely dismantle the radical left's arguments. | 他将永远保持冷静,礼貌地拆除激进左翼的论点. |
| 135 | In the face of terrible abuse, and they still shot him. | 面对可怕的虐待,他们仍然向他开枪. |
| 136 | No matter how much you spoke about the importance of dialogue, about not demonizing your opponents, | 无论你多谈论对话的重要性 也不论你如何谈论不妖魔化你的对手 |
| 137 | about engaging and making sure that we're at a point where we can still talk to each other. | 关于接触和确保我们处于一个 我们仍然可以交谈的时刻。 |
| 138 | And they still shot him. | 他们还开枪打他 |
| 139 | We'll find out who they is, I suppose, in the coming hours and days. | 我想我们会在未来数小时和数天里 查出他们是谁 |
| 140 | I think that whoever the shooter turns out to be, I do hope that people who listened to Charlie, | 我想无论枪手是谁 我希望那些听查理的话的人 |
| 141 | who were inspired by him, he was an extraordinary communicator. | 他受到他的启发 他是一个非凡的通讯员。 |
| 142 | I mean, his success, his earned success over the years of his adult life came about | 我的意思是,他的成功, 他赚到的成功 在他的成年生活多年 |
| 143 | because he had an enormous skill at speaking to people and for people. | 因为他对人说话和为人说话的能力很强 |
| 144 | And he was enormously persuasive. | 他很有说服力 |
| 145 | He was enormously skilled and talented. | 他非常有才华 |
| 146 | And as I say, it needs to be said again, an incredible patriot. | 正如我所说的,它需要再次说, 一个令人难以置信的爱国者。 |
| 147 | I hope that after this, there will be many people, I suspect, particularly young people who learned a lot from Charlie, | 我希望在这之后,会有很多人,我怀疑, 尤其是从查理那里学到很多东西的年轻人, |
| 148 | who admired Charlie and much more, who will be tempted at a moment like this | 他崇拜查理和更多 在这样的时刻会受到诱惑 |
| 149 | to sink to the kind of level that they perceive in their opponents. | 沉到他们从对手身上看到的高度 |
| 150 | I think these moments can be real crossroads. | 我认为,这些时刻可能是真正的十字路口。 |
| 151 | And I hope that all of those young men and women across America and elsewhere | 我希望美国和其他地方的所有年轻男女 |
| 152 | who were inspired and educated and informed by Charlie, | 他们受到查理的启发和教育 |
| 153 | realize that their task now is to pick up where he left off and to emulate what he did | 现在他们的任务就是找出他留下的东西 模仿他的所作所为 |
| 154 | and to emulate the courtesy, the patriotism, the decency that he showed in his public life | 并模仿他所表现的礼貌、爱国主义和在公共生活中的体面 |
| 155 | and that they don't sink into the kind of behavior which they see among their opponents. | 他们不会沉浸在他们的对手中 |
| 156 | I hope that is the case because you say, Rita, Charlie always demonstrated such considerable courtesy and decency | 我希望是这样,因为你说,丽塔,查理 总是表现出如此的礼貌和体面 |
| 157 | even to his political opponents who were screaming abuse at him and much more. | 甚至对他的政治对手 尖叫着虐待他 还有更多。 |
| 158 | So it could be, as I say, it is only hours after this terrible news has come through, | 所以,正如我所言,这个可怕的消息传了几小时后 |
| 159 | it could be one of those moments where some people sink down and meet their opponents on their opponent's terms, | 这可能是一个时刻 一些人沉没 并满足他们的对手的条件, |
| 160 | but it would be a much better thing for America and for all of us, I think, if we rise above that. | 但是这对美国和我们所有人来说是件更好的事, 我想,如果我们超越这一点。 |
| 161 | And remember that what Charlie said and was saying right up until the moment he was shot | 记住查理说的话 一直说到他中枪 |
| 162 | remains as true now as it was all these years, which is that, yes, we need to be able to explore ideas, | 与这些年一样,现在仍然如此, 也就是说,是的,我们需要能够探索想法, |
| 163 | we need to be able to talk, we need to be able to talk across divides. | 我们需要能够交谈,我们需要能够跨越分歧交谈。 |
| 164 | And that if we lose that, then people resort to violence. | 如果我们失去它,那么人们就会诉诸暴力。 |
| 165 | And how terrible it is that something that he perceived so clearly and said so often | 多么可怕的事情,他如此清晰地看待 并经常说 |
| 166 | should be something which has now been proven by the evil person who's taken his life away. | 应该是被夺去生命的恶人所证实的 |
| 167 | And he was always so brave. | 他总是那么勇敢。 |
| 168 | He talked about speaking truth. | 他说的是实话 |
| 169 | And in the past week, he has spoken a lot of truth, a lot of uncomfortable truths about crime in the US, | 在过去的一周里,他讲了很多事实, 很多不舒服的真相 美国的犯罪, |
| 170 | particularly after the murder of the Ukrainian, young Ukrainian woman down in North Carolina | 特别是在北卡罗莱纳州 乌克兰年轻乌克兰女人被杀之后 |
| 171 | and the media's reluctance initially to touch that story at all. | 以及媒体最初不愿触及这个故事。 |
| 172 | The overrepresentation of a segment of the population in the violent crime stats. | 暴力犯罪统计数据中一部分人口比例过高。 |
| 173 | So many really crucial issues, Douglas, that should be spoken about. | 道格拉斯,应该说到很多非常关键的问题。 |
| 174 | But the media is perhaps afraid to so many commentators don't want to be cast as racist or bigots | 但媒体也许害怕 这么多评论家 不想被说成种族主义或偏执 |
| 175 | or be called hateful like Charlie was for stating facts, for stating facts that may be uncomfortable. | 或被称为仇恨,像查理是 说事实, 说可能不舒服的事实。 |
| 176 | But how are you going to ever tackle these issues if you don't actually even acknowledge them? | 但是,如果你甚至不承认这些问题, 你将如何解决这些问题? |
| 177 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 178 | And what happens if you don't acknowledge issues, which is staring everyone in the face, | 如果你不承认问题 会怎样呢? |
| 179 | is you push them down under and they bubble away and evil things come up. | 你把他们推下去,然后他们泡出来 邪恶的东西出现。 |
| 180 | You seed an evil harvest when you do that. | 你这样做就种下邪恶的收获 |
| 181 | I suppose there's one other thing I would say about that, which is that after an act of violence like this, | 我想还有一件事我想说,那就是 在这样暴力之后, |
| 182 | as well as great anger and great rage, which many people will have, | 以及许多人的愤怒和愤怒, |
| 183 | there will be some people who will feel in some way afraid or cowed by this. | 会有一些人会以某种方式感到害怕或被它吓倒。 |
| 184 | They may not admit to it. | 他们可能不会承认 |
| 185 | They may not wish to explore it. | 他们可能不想探讨这个问题。 |
| 186 | But it's understandable. | 但这是可以理解的。 |
| 187 | There was no reason why somebody saying what Charlie Kirk said should ever have been the subject of violence, | 没有理由有人说 查理·柯克说的话 本来应该是暴力的对象 |
| 188 | the object of violence. | 暴力的目标。 |
| 189 | But I hope that people realize again that although at such a moment they can, | 但我希望人们再次意识到, 虽然在这样一个时刻,他们可以, |
| 190 | they might feel it's a good time to pipe down or not make themselves a target, | 他们可能觉得现在是时候 沉住气来或不成为目标, |
| 191 | that actually the much better thing to do is for everyone to be a bit more courageous. | 实际上,更好的事情是让每个人都更加勇敢。 |
| 192 | For everyone to be a bit stronger in standing up for what they believe to be true, | 为了让每个人都能更坚强地 捍卫他们相信的真相 |
| 193 | for stating facts that they see before their eyes. | 说出他们在眼前看到的事实 |
| 194 | By getting out there, by making their voices heard. | 让他们的声音被听到 |
| 195 | You know, I think often of after a previous assassination a good decade ago in the offices of Charlie Hebdo, | 你知道,我经常想在十年前 在查理·赫布多的办公室里 遇刺之后 |
| 196 | I remember what my friend Ayan Hirsi Ali said, and perhaps it's as applicable now as it was then, | 我记得我的朋友Ayan Hirsi Ali说过的话 也许现在和当时一样适用 |
| 197 | which is that if there are people who seem to be in this position that Charlie Ayan found himself in | 如果有人 似乎处于这种地位 查理·阿扬发现自己在 |
| 198 | of being this object of hate as the cartoonists and the editors of Charlie Hebdo were a decade ago, | 作为漫画家和Charlie Hebdo的编辑 十年前的仇恨对象 |
| 199 | I hope that people remember now what Ayan said then, | 我希望人们现在记得阿扬当时说的话, |
| 200 | which is the best thing is to spread the risk around. | 最好把风险分散开来 |
| 201 | If people are going to believe that it's respectable or reasonable to target conservative voices with violence, | 如果人们会相信 用暴力攻击保守派的声音是值得尊敬或合理的, |
| 202 | let's all speak up a bit more. | 让我们都大声点。 |
| 203 | Let's all take a step forward. | 让我们都向前迈一步。 |
| 204 | People don't need to be heroes or martyrs or anything, but they could be a bit more heroic. | 人们不需要成为英雄或烈士或任何东西,但他们可以更英勇一点. |
| 205 | And speak up a bit more and be proud a bit more for the things you should feel pride in, like your nation. | 大声点,为那些你应该骄傲的事骄傲点 就像你的国家一样 |
| 206 | And if people do that, that would be in the midst of this awful time, | 如果人们这样做, 这将是在这个可怕的时间, |
| 207 | it would be a tribute and one which I think Charlie would himself be very proud of. | 这将是一个致敬, 我认为查理会非常自豪。 |
| 208 | Beautifully said. | 说得好 |
| 209 | And I think you're so right. | 我想你是对的 |
| 210 | Let's step up and spread the risk. | 举起手来,分散风险. |
| 211 | Thank you so much for your time tonight. | 谢谢你今晚能来 |
| 212 | It's a pleasure. | 幸会 |
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