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美国AI四大巨头接受听证询问,如何赢得AI竞赛?

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0:03Well thank you witnesses for your testimony and I'll start off with the first round of谢谢各位证人的作证 我先从第一轮开始
0:07questions and move down to us to our ranking member here.问问题,然后转到我们这里的排名成员。
0:10Thank you for your testimony.谢谢你的证词。
0:13Certainly makes me sleep better at night worried about Terminator and Skynet coming after us,我晚上睡得更好 担心终结者 和天网追我们
0:17knowing that you guys are behind the wheel.知道你们在车轮后面
0:20But in five words or less, start with you Mr. Smith,但用5个字或更少,从你史密斯先生开始,
0:24what are the first, what are the five words you need to see from our government to make sure we首先,你需要从政府那里看到五个字,以确保我们
0:30win this AI race?赢得了人工智能比赛?
0:34More electricians, that's two words, broader AI education.更多的电工,就是两个词,更广泛的AI教育.
0:41And no using不许使用
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1Well thank you witnesses for your testimony and I'll start off with the first round of谢谢各位证人的作证 我先从第一轮开始
2questions and move down to us to our ranking member here.问问题,然后转到我们这里的排名成员。
3Thank you for your testimony.谢谢你的证词。
4Certainly makes me sleep better at night worried about Terminator and Skynet coming after us,我晚上睡得更好 担心终结者 和天网追我们
5knowing that you guys are behind the wheel.知道你们在车轮后面
6But in five words or less, start with you Mr. Smith,但用5个字或更少,从你史密斯先生开始,
7what are the first, what are the five words you need to see from our government to make sure we首先,你需要从政府那里看到五个字,以确保我们
8win this AI race?赢得了人工智能比赛?
9More electricians, that's two words, broader AI education.更多的电工,就是两个词,更广泛的AI教育.
10And no using不许使用
11chat GPT as a phone a friend.作为朋友聊天GPT.
12Thank you.谢谢
13I would say that we need to focus on streamlining the我要说,我们需要集中力量精简
14ability to build large things.有能力建造大的东西。
15Policies to help us run faster in the innovation race.帮助我们在创新竞赛中跑得更快的政策。
16Allow supply chain sensible policy.允许供应链的合理政策。
17That was good.这是很好的。
18So what I hear there is something pretty所以,我听到的东西是美丽的
19similar to the races we've won before.和我们之前赢得的比赛相似
20Nuclear energy for example, you know the Germans and比如核能,你知道德国人和
21Austrians really led the innovation around that but we won the race because we put a massive奥地利人真正领导了创新,但我们赢得了比赛,因为我们投入了巨大的
22government effort collaborating with our universities and others to win that race.政府努力与我们的大学和其他人合作赢得这场比赛。
23Space,空间
24the Soviets put the first man in space but we won the space race because we adopted a framework苏联人把第一个人放在太空 但我们赢得了太空竞赛 因为我们采用了一个框架
25to ensure that we won aviation, automobiles, etc.确保我们赢得航空,汽车等。
26So what I hear from you is you do need support我从你那里听到的 你确实需要支持
27from our government but you also need the government to stay out of your way so you can innovate从我们政府,但你还需要政府 远离你的方式,让你可以创新
28and win this race.并赢得这场比赛。
29How do we incentivize companies to do business here in America我们如何激励公司在美国做生意?
30to make sure we win this race in America and America leads not just China but other non-state确保我们赢得这场美国和美国的比赛 不仅带领中国,而且带领其他非国家
31actors too.还有演员
32I mean I think that the scariest thing about AI from a capability standpoint is我的意思是,我认为AI最可怕的事情 从能力的角度是
33doesn't have to be a state actor to win this race.不必是州演员才能赢得这场比赛
34It's not like nuclear energy, it's not like space这不是核能,也不是太空
35technology.技术。
36I mean a non-state actor could just as easily win this race and wield more power than我的意思是,一个非国家演员 可以同样容易地赢得这场比赛 并拥有更多的权力比
37anyone else.别人。
38So how do we encourage innovators investment to happen here in America to ensure我们如何鼓励创新者 在美国投资,以确保
39we win this race?我们赢了这场比赛?
40Mr. Elman, you want to start?艾尔曼先生,你想开始吗?
41We were honored to announce back in January我们很荣幸在一月份宣布回来
42Project Stargate, a 500 billion dollar investment in United States infrastructure.Stargate项目,美国基础设施投资5000亿美元.
43That is now well现在好了
44underway as I mentioned getting to see it yesterday in Abilene.就像我昨天在阿比伦看到的一样
45The first site was incredible.第一个网站是不可思议的。
46We need a lot more of that.我们需要更多的。
47We need certainty on the ability to build out this entire supply chain,我们需要确定是否有能力建立整个供应链,
48build the data centers, permit the electricity.建立数据中心,允许供电。
49We'd love to bring chip production here,我们想把芯片生产带过来
50network production here, server rack production here.这里的网络生产 服务器架生产
51And I think the world does want to invest.我认为世界确实想要投资。
52We have a lot of global investment flowing into the U.S. to do this.我们有大量的全球投资流入美国来做这件事.
53We also want to make sure我们也想确定
54that other countries are able to build with our technology, use our models and sort of like be in利用我们的模型 以及像我们这样的国家
55our orbit and you know use U.S. diffusion of technology here.利用美国的技术传播
56So that's really important.这很重要
57We need to make sure that the highest skilled researchers that want to come work at U.S. companies我们需要确保最有技能的研究人员 希望来美国公司工作
58can come here and do that.可以来这里做这个。
59We need to make sure that companies like OpenAI and others have我们需要确保OpenAI等公司
60legal clarity on how we're going to operate.法律上明确我们如何运作。
61Of course there will be rules.当然会有规则的
62Of course there当然
63need to be some guardrails.需要一些护栏。
64This is a very impactful technology.这是一个非常有影响力的技术。
65But we need to be able但我们需要能够
66to be competitive globally.具有全球竞争力。
67We need to be able to train.我们需要能够训练。
68We need to be able to understand how我们需要能够理解
69we're going to offer services and sort of where the rules of the road are going to be.我们要提供各种服务 以及路况
70So clarity there and I think an approach like the internet, which did lead to flourishing of this如此清晰,我认为一个方法 像互联网, 这确实导致了繁荣
71country in a very big way, we need that again.以一个非常大的方式,我们再次需要这一点。
72Dr. Hsu?许医生?
73I would add I think computing is a我还想说,我认为计算是一种
74foundation to all of this.这一切的基础。
75We want to have more compute built in the U.S. by U.S. companies and我们想让更多的计算 在美国由美国公司和
76ensure that we have a great environment for that.确保我们有一个伟大的环境。
77We want to ensure that our technology around the我们希望确保我们的技术围绕
78world is also used broadly and in the right ways.世界也得到广泛和正确的利用。
79So I think the conversation about export所以我觉得关于出口的谈话
80and rules should just be simple, easy to follow, easy to enforce and enable U.S. AI platforms to规则应该很简单,容易遵循,易于执行,并使美国AI平台能够
81be the foundation.成为基础。
82And then certainly the comments around bringing manufacturing back home and当然,关于把制造业带回家乡
83ensuring that we have the right talent base are all extremely important elements of that.确保我们拥有适当的人才基础是其中极其重要的因素。
84Are companies weighing doing business in AI in America versus China?在美国对中国,
85Are the companies making that side by side comparison?公司是边做边做比较吗?
86I think if you look across the world, there are countries and companies that will我想如果你环顾全球, 有国家和公司会
87ask those questions.问这些问题。
88If it's hard to obtain U.S. technology, although U.S. technology is the best,如果很难获得美国技术, 虽然美国技术是最好的,
89if it's hard to obtain, then there's a hunger for AI and they will choose what is available.如果很难得到,那么对AI有渴望,他们会选择什么是可用的.
90And if China is available, that will certainly be an outcome that we would not like to see.如果有中国,那肯定是一个我们不想看到的结果。
91Well, I think I hear the words infrastructure, electricians, universities, regulatory framework,嗯,我想我听到的词 基础设施,电工,大学,管理框架,
92and I think those are things we can help with.我认为这些是我们能帮忙的
93I hear words like innovation and talent and I say,我听到创新和天赋之类的话,我说,
94I hear Dr. Su run faster.听说苏医生跑得更快
95Those aren't things that government can't manufacture talent.那些不是政府不能制造人才的东西
96We can't我们不能
97make you run faster, but we can give you the tools to do that.让你跑得更快 但我们可以给你工具
98And I think it's time that we create我认为是时候我们创造
99a framework so that you have the tools you need to win this race because you're going to be the一个框架,让你有 所需的工具 赢得这场比赛 因为你将是
100ones that win it, not us.那些赢得了它,而不是我们。
101Thank you for your testimony and recommender Catwell.谢谢你的证词和Catwell的推荐人
102Thank you, Mr. Chairman.谢谢你,主席先生。
103I'd like to continue that same theme generally about competitiveness.我想继续这个关于竞争力的一般主题。
104Do we need NIST to set standards?我们需要NIST来制定标准吗?
105If you just yes or no, just go down the line.如果你只是是或不是, 只是走下线。
106I don't think we need it.我认为我们不需要它。
107It can be helpful.会有帮助的
108Yes.对
109Okay.摆
110So in the context of因此,在背景
111what we're talking about here, we're really just talking, I don't know, Mr. Smith or Mr.我们在这里谈论的, 我们真的只是谈论, 我不知道,史密斯先生或先生。
112Integrator or Dr. Su, the issue here is if we want to move fast, we want to create just like整形师或苏博士,这里的问题是 如果我们想快速移动, 我们想创造就像
113electricity, the standards by which we want to move fast.电力,我们想要快速移动的标准。
114Here, I would just call it code for在这里,我叫它代码
115code is what we want, right?代码是我们想要的 对吧?
116We want NIST to do something in the standard setting that will allow我们希望NIST在标准设定中有所作为,允许
117us to move much faster.动作要快得多
118Is that right, either Mr. Smith or Mr. Integrator?是吗,史密斯先生或整形师先生?
119What I would say我会说什么
120is this.这是这个。
121First of all, NIST is where standards go to be adopted, but it's not necessarily where首先,NIST是用来通过标准的地方,但不一定是用来
122first going to be created.首先要创建。
123Thank you for that clarity.谢谢你的澄清
124We're talking about a industry,我们在谈论一个行业,
125IEEE, lots of different organizations, industry input, and then they're adopted.IEEE,许多不同的组织,行业投入,然后被采纳.
126So yes,所以说
127let's clarify that.让我们澄清一下
128Let's clarify that.让我们澄清这一点。
129Yeah.对
130I think that's the way it works.我想这是它的工作方式。
131Yes.对
132But you think we need to do that, particularly if the United States wants to lead?但是,你认为我们需要这样做,特别是如果美国想要领导?
133We will need industry standards.我们需要行业标准。
134We will need American adoption of standards.我们需要美国通过标准。
135And you are right,你说得对
136we will need U.S. efforts to really ensure that the world buys into these standards.我们需要美国努力真正确保世界接受这些标准。
137Okay.摆
138Mr. Integrator?集成师先生?
139I think it's important that when you're working with standards,我认为重要的是,当你工作 在标准,
140what that allows for is a common vocabulary, which allows for acceleration.允许的是一个共同的词汇, 它允许加速。
141And so to the也一样
142extent that we can step into that role and establish touch points where everyone can agree* 我们能够发挥这一作用,建立人人都能同意的接触点;
143on specific things, that will lead to an acceleration both domestically and abroad.在具体问题上,这将导致国内外的加速。
144I don't know if drilling down more on what you think those are, but in general,不知你是否更了解你的想法 但总的来说
145when I think about the internet and HTTP or HTML or any of the TCPIP, we're talking about things当我想到互联网和HTTP 或HTML 或任何TCPIP, 我们谈论的东西
146that allowed us to move faster.这使得我们能更快地前进。
147And getting those standards established helped us do that.制定这些标准有助于我们做到这一点。
148On the export issue, Mr. Integrator, the issue of cloud sources shouldn't be left out.关于出口问题,Integrator先生,云源问题不应该被忽略.
149If we say,如果我们说,
150let's go with Malaysia.让我们去马来西亚。
151Malaysia is going to tell us that they can certify that there is no马来西亚将告诉我们,他们可以证明不存在
152diversion of these ships to China.这些船只被转移至中国。
153And we basically have a way that we can make sure that我们基本上有办法确保
154this is understood and monitored.这一点得到理解和监测。
155Then we also want access, right?那我们也要进入 对吧?
156We want access by U.S. companies.我们希望美国公司能进入
157Yeah.对
158I think Lisa's point was excellent, right?我认为丽莎的观点是极好的,对不对?
159At the end of the day, the world wants to be able最终,世界希望能够
160to build and deploy artificial intelligence in a very broad way.以非常广泛的方式建立和部署人工智能。
161And nature whores a vacuum.而自然淫荡为真空.
162If we do not step into that role, other technology will step in that role.如果我们不发挥这种作用,其他技术将发挥这种作用。
163If it is suboptimal,如果这是次优,
164so be it.随你便
165It's better to have something that is suboptimal than have nothing.拥有一些不理想的东西 胜过一无所有
166We don't want a reoccurrence of a Huawei that develops faster and then has a government back我们不希望华威再出现 发展得更快 然后政府又回来了
167door, and then we all have to raise opposition.门,然后我们都得提出反对。
168I'm for a tech NATO.我为北约技术服务
169I'm for the five most我为五大
170sophisticated democracies and tech nations setting the rules of the road and saying,成熟的民主国家和技术国家制定了道路规则,并说:
171this is who you should buy from.这是你应该买的人。
172Don't buy from anybody else who has a government back door.不要从其他有政府后门的人那里买东西
173Not a good idea.这不是个好主意。
174So that's how we get leverage.这就是我们如何得到杠杆。
175I'm not so hot on the president's tariff agenda总统的关税议程我可没这么热心
176for this very reason because we're not building the alliances.因为我们不是在建立联盟
177We're creating the enemies.我们在制造敌人
178And what I want to do is get the supply chain here, get the semiconductor flow here, lower the我想做的是把供应链弄到这里 把半导体流到这里 降低
179cost, and go as fast as we can.成本,并尽可能快。
180Yeah.对
181I agree with that.我同意这一点。
182I don't think anybody我觉得没有人
183is not going to agree with that.我们不会同意这一点。
184I think that's an excellent objective.我认为这是一个很好的目标。
185I just think that我只是觉得
186what will happen beyond the five NATO companies is that there will be a demand for artificial北约五个连以外的情况是,需要人为的
187intelligence, and they will proceed with what they can proceed with.情报部门,他们会继续他们可以进行的工作。
188Dr. Su, what is your view of this about how we win, how we protect our objectives,苏博士,你如何看待我们如何获胜 如何保护我们的目标
189but we're more aggressive on the export strategy?但我们在出口战略上更积极?
190Well, I think there is a clear recognition that嗯,我认为有一个明确的承认,
191we need an export strategy.我们需要一个出口策略。
192And so having this conversation is very important.所以有这种对话是非常重要的。
193And from our从我们
194perspective, the idea is to ensure that our allies, and frankly, I use allies in the very从这个角度来说,这个想法是确保我们的盟友, 坦率地说,我利用盟友,
195broadest sense, get access to the great American technology that we have with the appropriate获得我们拥有的美国科技
196controls in place.控制装置到位。
197And I think you can do both.我想你可以做两个。
198To your earlier comment, Ranking Member Kent,对于你早些时候的评论, 排名成员肯特,
199well about the need to have US technologies in those countries, I think those countries我认为这些国家需要美国的技术
200are actually very interested in doing that, because we do have the best technology today,其实很有兴趣这样做, 因为我们今天有最好的技术,
201and using that to really build this broad AI ecosystem is really our opportunity.而利用它来真正建立 这个广泛的AI生态系统 确实是我们的机会。
202I agree.и種
203Thank you so much.非常感谢
204The Senior Senator from Ohio.俄亥俄州资深参议员.
205Thank you, Chairman Chihi.谢谢你,戚主席
206Make sure Senator Cruz heard that one.确保Cruz参议员听到了
207So first of all, thank you for being here and taking the time.所以,首先,谢谢你在这里 和花时间。
208If I could just real quickly如果我能快点
209confirm that I've heard what you said pretty unanimously, which is we need证实我听到你说的很一致 我们需要
210dramatically more power generation in this country.这个国家的发电量要大得多
211Is that correct?是吗?
212So Dr. Su, you just recently苏医生,你最近才来
213did a partnership with TSMC to manufacture your chips here in America.和TSMC合作 在美国制造你的芯片
214Thank you.谢谢
215I think it's我觉得
216a little bit long overdue.早该来了
217I wish we had done more of that earlier.我希望我们早些时候做了更多。
218Are those semiconductor这些是半导体
219fabs high energy users?高能量用户?
220Thank you, Senator.谢谢,参议员
221We are very pleased with our efforts together我们对共同努力感到非常高兴
222with the government on bringing more manufacturing back to the United States.让更多的制造业回到美国
223To your question,对于你的问题,
224certainly semiconductor manufacturing plants are high energy users, and we do need more power当然半导体制造厂是高能用户,我们确实需要更多的动力
225for both manufacturing as well as for data centers, as you mentioned.正如你提到的,无论是制造还是数据中心。
226And without chips,没有筹码,
227this just doesn't work.这不起作用
228If we don't have the highest performance chips made here in the United如果我们没有 最好的性能芯片在这里 在美国
229States, this is not going to happen here, correct?国家,这是不会发生在这里,对不对?
230We absolutely need the highest performing chips,我们绝对需要最高性能的芯片
231and we also need the entire ecosystem for chip manufacturing.我们还需要整个生态系统 用于芯片制造
232So wafers are one piece,所以,饼是一块,
233but there are many other pieces as well.但也有很多其他的作品
234And are those chips powered by solar power and windmills?这些芯片是由太阳能和风车供电的?
235Today, they're not, but I think there are opportunities to certainly do that.今天,他们不是, 但我认为有机会这样做。
236So do you think it's outrageous that last year, because of the policies of the Biden administration,所以,你认为这是令人愤慨的,去年, 由于拜登政府的政策,
237that 90% of new power generation in this country was windmills and solar panels,这个国家90%的新发电 是风车和太阳能电池板,
238and we absolutely kneecapped American energy.而我们完全 膝盖顶住了美国的能量。
239We have a thousand years of natural gas sitting我们有一千年的天然气
240in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia, and yet 90% of power generation in this country last year宾夕法尼亚州、俄亥俄州和西弗吉尼亚州 去年这个国家发电量的90%
241was solar panels and windmills.是太阳能电池板和风车
242Does that make this country more competitive or less competitive?这是否使这个国家更具竞争力或更缺乏竞争力?
243Anybody can jump into that one that wants to answer that.任何人都可以跳进那个想回答的。
244Let me say two things.让我说两句话
245One, you're一个,你是
246right.对
247We need more electricity.我们需要更多的电力。
248I think our industry, it's worth remembering, is only going我认为我们的产业,值得记住,只是去
249to account for 15% of the total additional electricity the country's going to need.占全国新增电量的15%
250We're going to need electricity from a variety of sources.我们需要各种来源的电力。
251Today, in the United States, 56% of our今天,在美国,我们56%
252electricity comes from carbon.电力来自碳。
25344% comes from carbon-free energy, meaning nuclear wind or solar.44%来自无碳能源,意为核风或太阳能.
254We need a broad-based approach and we need a diversity.我们需要一种基础广泛的办法,我们需要一种多样性。
255But again, 90%但还是90%
256was energy that's not affordable, it's not abundant, and it's not reliable.能量是买不起的,不充裕,也不可靠。
257Let me just让我来
258shift gears.转向架。
259Mr. Altman, thank you for, first of all, creating your platform on an open basis阿尔特曼先生,首先谢谢你在开放的基础上创建你的平台
260and agreeing to stick to the principles of non-profit status.并同意坚持非营利地位的原则。
261I think that's very important.我觉得这很重要
262Do you think that the internet age did a good job between the beginning of the 90s互联网时代在90年代开始以来 表现是否很好?
263through the 2000s of protecting children?通过2000年代的儿童保护?
264I would say not particularly.我将说不是特别。
265You're a new father,你是一个新父亲,
266correct?对不对?
267Yes.对
268Congratulations.祝贺你
269Thank you very much.谢谢
270He's doing well?他还好吗?
271He is.没错
272It's the most amazing这是最神奇的
273thing ever.永远的事
274I don't think you want your child's best friend to be an AI bot.我想你不希望你孩子的好朋友成为AI机器人.
275I do not.我没有。
276So what那又怎样?
277can we do?可以吗?
278How can we work together to protect children?我们如何能够共同努力保护儿童?
279We've talked a lot about some of the我们谈了很多关于一些
280things we're doing here.我们在这里做的事情。
281We're trying to learn the lessons of previous generation.我们试图吸取前辈的教训.
282That's kind好样的
283{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这就像我们所看到的
284People make mistakes and you do it better next time.人犯错误,你下次会做得更好
285One thing we say a lot我们常说一件事
286internally is we want to treat our adult users like adults.内部是我们要像对待成年人一样对待成年人。
287We want to give them a lot of我们想给他们很多
288flexibility.灵活性。
289We want to let them use the service with a lot of freedom.我们想让他们使用这项服务 有很多自由。
290And for children, there对于孩子们来说,那里
291needs to be a much higher level of protection, which means the service won't do things that they需要更高水平的保护 也就是说服务不会做他们做的事
292might want.说不定想
293Now, we're still early, so sometimes people say, oh, you're being too strict on the现在,我们还很早,所以有时人们说, 哦,你太严格了,
294rules.规则。
295We can't perfectly tell this, but if we could draw a line and if we knew for sure when a我们不能完全告诉这一点, 但是如果我们可以划出一条线 如果我们知道确定什么时候一个
296user was a child or an adult, we would allow adults to be much more permissive and we'd have使用者是孩子还是成年人, 我们会允许成年人 更加宽容,我们会
297tighter rules for children.更严格的儿童规则。
298What I would ask is if you could have your team commit to having your我想问的是 如果你能让你的团队 承诺拥有你的
299teams work with our teams to make certain that we put together the right framework early on,各小组与我们的小组合作,以确保我们及早建立正确的框架,
300I think is the best way we can move forward.我认为这是我们前进的最佳方式。
301Because we don't want to overregulate,因为我们不想过度管制
302but we can't repeat the mistakes of the internet and social media era where children got harmed.但我们不能重复网络和社交媒体时代的错误,
303We'd be delighted to work with you all on that.我们很乐意和你们合作
304It's super important.这很重要
305Can I say one more thing我能再说一件事吗?
306about what you said?关于你说的?
307This idea of AI and social relationships, I think this is a new thing thatAI这个想法和社会关系, 我认为这是一个新事物,
308we need to pay a lot of attention to.我们需要多加注意。
309People are relying on AI more and more for life advice,人们越来越依赖AI提供生活咨询,
310sort of emotional support, that kind of thing.某种情感支持,那种东西。
311It's a newer thing in recent months, but I don't近几个月来是比较新的事 但我不
312think it's all bad, but I think we have to understand it and watch it very carefully.觉得这很糟 但我认为我们必须理解 仔细观察
313All right.好吧,我们走。
314Thank you.谢谢
315And thank you for that commitment.谢谢你的承诺。
316It's very appreciated.甚受赞赏.
317I've talked我谈过了
318your team already.你的团队已经。
319Good people.善众生.
320Great.不错
321Entredor先生,你快点说
322the intersection between the importance of a robust stable coin ecosystem here in America美国一个稳定的硬币生态系统的重要性
323and how that has a future with payments and how AI will factor into that?和它如何有 未来与支付, 以及AI将如何考虑 这一点?
324Because因为
325I don't think people see how this fits into the broader puzzle.我不认为人们会看到 这如何适合 更大的谜题。
326So thank you for the question.所以,谢谢你的问题。
327And we did start out as a crypto based company我们从一个基于密码的公司开始
328with a hobby that kind of got away from us a little bit.有个爱好 有点离我们远点
329Look, I think that stable coins,你看,我认为稳定硬币,
330crypto, AI, they share certain DNA in common, which is that they are attempts to build密码,AI,他们有某些共同的DNA, 那就是他们试图建立
331into a future where new technology will make things better for society.在未来,新技术将使社会更美好。
332And there is a huge有一个巨大的
333potential for us to use stable coins, crypto, and AI in a combination for better outcomes.我们有可能使用稳定的硬币、密码和AI,
334All right.好吧,我们走。
335Thank you.谢谢
336And that was the quickest coup since 1959.这是1959年以来最迅速的政变。
337Senator Klobuchar.克洛布查尔参议员
338Thank you very much, Senator Cruz.非常感谢 Cruz参议员
339A lot of exciting things with AI,很多激动人心的AI,
340especially from a state like mine that's home to the Mayo Clinic with the potential to unleash特别是来自象我这样的国家 在那里的马约诊所 有可能释放
341scientific research while we have mapped the human genome and we have rare diseases that can虽然我们绘制了人类基因组图 并且有罕见的疾病
342be solved.解决。
343So there's a lot of positive, but we all know, as you've all expressed, there's所以有很多正面的,但我们都知道, 正如你们都表达的那样,
344challenges that we need to get at with permitting reform.在允许改革的情况下,我们需要应对的挑战。
345I'm a big believer in that.我非常相信这一点。
346Energy development.能源开发.
347Thank you, Mr. Smith, for mentioning this with wind and solar and the谢谢你,史密斯先生, 提到这一点 风和太阳能,
348potential for more fusion and nuclear, but wind and solar, the price going down dramatically可能增加核聚变,但风能和太阳能 价格大幅下跌
349in the last few years.在过去几年。
350And to get there, we're going to have to do a lot better.为了到达那里,我们必须做得更好。
351我觉得David Brooks说得最好 我很难写AI
352because it is literally unknowable whether this technology is leading us to heaven or hell.因为这种技术是通往天堂还是地狱 实在是不可知
353We wanted to lead us to heaven.我们想带我们去天堂
354And I think we do that by making sure we have some rules我认为我们这样做, 确保我们有一些规则
355of the road in place so it doesn't get stymied or set backwards because of scams or because of use避免因为骗局或使用而受阻或倒置
356by people who want to do us harm.是那些想伤害我们的人干的
357As mentioned by Senator Campbell, Senator Thune and I have正如坎贝尔参议员、瑟恩参议员和我所说的
358teamed up on legislation to set up basic guardrails for the riskiest non-defense applications协同立法,为最危险的非防卫性申请建立基本警戒设施
359of AI.来文日期: 1999年7月1日
360Mr. Altman, do you agree that a risk-based approach to regulation is the best way to place阿尔特曼先生,你是否同意基于风险的监管方式是最佳办法
361necessary guardrails for AI without stifling innovation?为AI提供必要的护栏而不抑制创新?
362I do.当然
363That makes a lot of sense to这很有道理
364Okay, thanks.好的,谢谢。
365And did you figure that out in your attic?你在阁楼里想通了吗?
366No, that was a more recent discovery.不 这是最近发现的
367Thank you.谢谢
368Very good.很不错。
369Just want to make sure.只是想确认一下
370Our bill directs, Mr. Smith, the Commerce Department to develop ways of educating我们的法案指示 史密斯先生 商务部制定教育方法
371consumers on how to safely use AI systems.消费者如何安全使用人工智能系统。
372Do you agree that consumers need to be more educated?你同意消费者需要接受更多的教育吗?
373This was one of your answers to your five words, so I assume you do.这是你回答你五个字的答案之一 所以我猜你也是
374Yes.对
375And I think it's incumbent upon us as companies and across the business公司和企业都有责任
376to contribute to that education as well.也为这种教育作出贡献。
377Okay, very good.好吧,很不错。
378Back to you, Mr. Altman.归你了,阿尔特曼先生。
379The Americans rely on AI, as we know, increasingly on some high-impact problems to make them be able美国人依赖AI,我们知道, 越来越依赖一些高影响的问题 让他们有能力
380to trust that.相信这一点。
381We need to make sure that we can trust the model outputs.我们需要确保我们能够信任模式产出。
382The New York Times纽约时报
383recently reported earlier this week that AI hallucinations, new word to me, where models最近本周早些时候报道 AI幻觉,新词给我, 在那里模型
384generate incorrect or misleading results are getting worse.产生不正确或误导性的结果正在恶化。
385That's their words.这是他们的话。
386What standards哪些标准
387or metrics does open AI use to evaluate the quality of its training data and model outputs或衡量标准确实开放了AI用于评价其培训数据和示范产出的质量
388for correctness?为了正确性?
389On the whole, AI hallucinations are getting much better.总的来说,AI的幻觉已经好转了.
390We have not solved the我们还没解决
391problem entirely yet, but we've made pretty remarkable progress over the last few years.问题完全还没有解决, 但我们在过去几年中取得了相当显著的进展。
392When we first launched ChatGBT, it would hallucinate things all the time.当我们首次推出ChatGBT时,它会不断产生幻觉.
393This idea of这个想法
394robustness, being sure you can trust the information, we've made huge progress there.坚固,确保你能相信信息, 我们已经取得了巨大的进步。
395We cite sources.我们引用资料来源。
396The models have gotten much smarter.模特们越来越聪明了
397A lot of people use these systems all很多人都使用这些系统
398the time, and we were worried that if it was not 100.0 percent accurate, which is still a当时,我们担心 如果它不是100.0%的准确, 这仍然是
399challenge with these systems, it would cause a bunch of problems.挑战这些系统 会造成很多问题
400But users are smart.但用户很聪明.
401People人员
402understand what these systems are good at, when to use them, when not.了解这些系统擅长什么,何时使用,何时使用。
403And as that robustness如此坚固
404increases, which it will continue to do, people will use it for more and more things.人们会用它做越来越多的事情。
405But we've made, as an industry, we've made pretty remarkable progress in that direction over the但是我们作为一个行业 已经取得了相当显著的进步
406last couple of years.过去的几年。
407I know we'll be watching that.我知道我们会看的
408Another challenge that has been, we've seen,另一个挑战,我们已经看到,
409and Senator Cruz and I worked on a bill together for quite a while, and that's the Take It Down Act.Cruz参议员和我合作了一段时间的法案 这就是《拿下法案》
410And that is that we are increasingly seeing interactivity where kids looking for a boyfriend这就是我们越来越看到互动 在那里孩子们寻找男朋友
411or girlfriend, maybe they put out a real picture of themselves.或女朋友,也许他们 拿出真实的自己的照片。
412It ends up being distributed at最终于
413school or somehow someone tries to scam them from financial gain.或者有人试图骗取他们的金钱
414Or it's AI, as we've或者是人工智能,就像我们
415increasingly seen, where it's not even someone's photos, but someone puts a fake body on there.越来越多的人看到,那里甚至没有别人的照片, 但有人把一个假尸体在那里。
416And we've had about over 20 suicides in one year of young people because they felt like their life在一年的年轻人中 我们经历了20多起自杀事件 因为他们觉得自己有生命
417was ruined because they were going to be exposed in this way.被毁掉了,因为他们要这样暴露
418So this bill we passed through the我们通过这个法案
419Senate and the House, the First Lady supported it, and it's headed to the President's desk.元老院和众议院,第一夫人支持,正向总统办公桌前进.
420Could you talk about how we can build models that can better detect harmful deep fakes, Mr. Smith?史密斯先生 你能谈谈我们如何建立模型 更好地检测有害的深层假象吗?
421Yeah, I mean, we're doing that, OpenAI is doing that, a number of us are, and I think the goal is是的,我的意思是,我们正在这样做, OpenAI正在这样做, 我们中的一些人在这样做, 我想目标是
422to first identify content that is generated by AI, and then often it is to identify what kind of首先确定AI生成的内容,然后往往确定哪些内容是AI生成的。
423content is harmful.内容是有害的。
424And I think we've made a lot of strides in our ability to do both of those我认为我们已经取得了很大进展 我们有能力做这两个
425things.东西。
426There's a lot of work that's going on across the private sector in partnership with整个私营部门与
427groups like NICMEC to then collaboratively identify that kind of content so it can beNICMEC等团体将合作确定这类内容,这样就可以
428taken down.带下来。
429We've been doing this in some ways for 25 years since the internet and we're going to我们从互联网开始25年来 一直在做这个
430need to do more of it.还需要做更多的事情。
431And on the issue, last question, Mr.还有最后一个问题 先生
432Chair, since the last one was主席,因为上一个是
433about your bill, I figure it's okay.关于你的帐单,我想没关系。
434The newspapers, and you testified before the Senate Judiciary报纸,你向参议院法官作证
435Committee, Mr. Smith, about the bill.委员会,史密斯先生,关于法案。
436Senator Kennedy and I still think that there's an issue肯尼迪参议员和我仍然认为 有一个问题
437here about negotiating content rates.在这里,关于谈判内容率。
438We've seen some action recently in Canada and other places.我们最近在加拿大和其他地方看到一些行动。
439Can you talk about those evolving dynamics with the AI developers and what's happening here to你能和人工智能开发者 谈谈这些不断发展的动态吗?
440make sure that content providers and journalists get paid for their work?确保内容提供者和记者的工作得到报酬?
441Yeah, it's a complicated topic, but I'll just say a couple of things.是啊,这是一个复杂的话题, 但我只是说几件事。
442First, I think we should all首先,我想我们都应该
443want to see newspapers in some form flourish across the country, including, say, rural counties that希望报纸以某种形式在全国兴旺, 包括,比如,乡村县,
444increasingly have become news deserts.越来越成为新闻荒漠。
445Newspapers have disappeared.报纸不见了
446Second, and it's been the issue第二,这是问题所在
447that we discussed in the Judiciary Committee, there should be an opportunity for newspapers我们在司法委员会上讨论过 报纸应该有机会
448to get together and negotiate collectively.聚集在一起进行集体谈判。
449We've supported that.我们已经支持了
450That will enable them to这将使他们能够
451basically do better.基本上做得更好。
452Third, every time there's new technology, there is a new generation of a第三,每当有新技术, 就有新一代的
453copyright debate.版权辩论.
454That is taking place now.现在正在这样做。
455Some of it will probably be decided by Congress, some有些可能由国会决定,有些
456by the courts.由法院执行。
457A lot of it is also being addressed through collaborative action and we should hope其中许多问题也正在通过协作行动加以解决,我们希望
458for all of these things to, I'll just say, strike a balance.所有这些事情,我只是说,保持平衡。
459We want people to make a living creating我们希望人们能够创造生活
460content and we want AI to advance by having access to data.内容,我们希望AI通过访问数据来推进.
461Okay, thanks.好的,谢谢。
462I'll ask other questions on我会问其他问题
463the record.记录。
464Thank you, Mr.谢谢,先生。
465Chair.师曰.
466Thank you.谢谢
467You know, Senator Klobuchar asked whether AI will lead你知道,参议员克洛布查尔 问AI是否领导
468us to heaven or hell.我们到天堂或地狱。
469It reminded me of a famous observation by Yale Law Professor Grant Gilmore这让我想起耶鲁大学法学教授 Grant Gilmore的著名观察
470that in heaven there is no law and the lion will lie down with the lamb.天上没有法律 狮子会和羊羔躺在一起
471In hell there is nothing在地狱里什么都没有
472but law and due process is meticulously observed.但法律和正当程序得到了严格遵守。
473Let me ask you this, and this is to each of the让我问你,这是给每一个
474four witnesses.四个证人。
475In the race for AI, who's winning, America or China?在AI的比赛中,谁赢,美国还是中国?.
476If the answer is America,如果答案是美国,
477how close is China to us?中国和我们有多近?
478And what do we do to make sure the answer remains America will win?我们该怎么办才能确保答案继续是美国会赢?
479Mr. Altman, we'll start with you.阿尔特曼先生 我们从你开始
480It is our belief that the American models,我们相信,美国模式,
481including some models from our company, OpenAI and Google and others, are the best models in包括我们公司的一些模型,OpenAI和Google等,是其中最好的模型.
482the world.这个世界。
483It's very hard to say how far ahead we are, but I would say not a huge amount of time.很难说我们前进有多远,但我想说时间不多。
484And I think to continue that leadership position and the influence that comes with that and all我想继续这个领导职位 以及随之而来的影响
485of the incredible benefits of the world using American technology products and services,利用美国技术产品和服务给世界带来的巨大好处,
486the things that my colleagues have spoken about here, the need to win an infrastructure我的同事在这里谈到的事情, 需要赢得一个基础设施
487sensible regulation that does not slow us down, the sort of spirit of innovation and明智的监管,不会拖累我们 那种创新精神和
488entrepreneurship that I think is a uniquely American thing in the world.我认为创业是世界上最独特的美国事物。
489None of this is rocket这些都不是火箭
490science.科学。
491We just need to keep doing the things that have worked for so long and not make a silly我们只是需要继续做 已经工作了这么久 而不是让一个傻瓜
492mistake.错误
493Dr. Hsu?许医生?
494I'll answer in the realm of chips.我会在芯片领域回答。
495I would say America is ahead in chips today.我要说美国今天领先筹码
496We我们
497have the best AI accelerators in the world.拥有世界上最好的人工智能加速器。
498I think China, although they have restrictions given我认为中国,虽然他们有限制
499their ability to use advanced technologies, the one thing that's very important for us all to他们利用先进技术的能力 对我们来说最重要的一件事
500remember is there are multiple ways to do things.记住有多种方法来做事情
501Having the best chips is great, but even if you拥有最好的芯片是伟大的,但即使你
502don't have the best chips, you can get a lot done.没有最好的芯片,你可以做很多。
503So I think this conversation about how far behind所以,我想这次谈话 关于多远落后
504China is, they are certainly catching up because there are many ways to do things.中国是,它们肯定赶上了,因为有许多方法可以做事情。
505I think relative我觉得相对的
506what we can do, I will continue to say really ensure that our spirit of innovation is allowed我们能做的,我会继续说 真正确保 我们的创新精神被允许
507to work, and that is having very supportive government policies to do that, having very并有非常支持政府的政策来做到这一点,
508consistent policies, and allowing us to do what we do best, which is innovate at every layer of the并允许我们做我们做得最好的事,这是在每一层
509stack.堆栈。
510Mr. Intreder?内特先生?
511So I'll speak to it from the physical infrastructure and software stack to所以我从物理基础设施和软件堆到
512from the perspective of the ability as I started to...从能力的角度,当我开始...
513Better?好多了吗?
514Sorry about that.对不起
515So the ability to所以,我们有能力
516build very large solutions to the computing infrastructure component of this is an area that为计算基础设施部分建立非常大的解决办法是一个领域。
517we're going to struggle with from permitting and building large projects to be able to deliver the我们将努力争取 允许和建设大型项目 以便能够交付
518power to allow those building artificial intelligence to continue to move as fast as让那些建立人工智能的人 继续快速前进
519they can in the race that we're in.他们可以参加我们的比赛
520Mr. Smith?史密斯先生吗?
521I think the United States has a lead today in我认为美国今天领先
522what is a close race and a race that will likely remain close.什么是接近的种族 和可能保持接近的种族。
523The number one factor that will首要因素
524define whether the United States or China wins this race is whose technology is most broadly adopted确定美国或中国赢得这场比赛是其技术被广泛采用
525in the rest of the world.在世间.
526This is a global market and it will be defined as technology markets这是一个全球市场,它将被定义为技术市场
527typically are by network effects.通常是通过网络效应。
52818% of the people of the world live in China, 4% live in18%的世界人口生活在中国,4%生活在
529the United States, 78% live somewhere else.78%的人住在别的地方
530The lesson from Huawei and 5G is whoever gets there华威和5G的教训就是谁到那里
531first will be difficult to supplant.首先很难取代
532We need to export with the right kinds of controls,我们需要用正确的控制出口,
533we need to win the trust of the rest of the world, we need to have the financial architecture我们需要赢得世界其他国家的信任 我们需要金融结构
534that gets not only to the countries that are industrialized but the nations say across Africa不仅给工业化国家,而且给非洲各国
535where typically China and Huawei have done so well.典型的中国和华威都表现得很好
536So some of my colleagues have made reference所以我的一些同事提到了
537to standards as something that is desirable and I will say standards is often code word for我将说,标准常常是代号
538regulations and indeed the EU's stifling standards concerning the internet is what killed tech in欧盟关于互联网的扼杀标准是技术在互联网上的死亡。
539Europe.欧洲。
540We are seeing now state legislatures mimicking the EU such as California's SB 1047我们现在看到的州立法机构 模仿欧盟 比如加州的SB1047
541which thankfully was overwhelmingly defeated but would have created essentially a California DMV幸好他们被击败了 但本来会造出一辆加州DMV
542for AI model registration.为AI模式注册.
543How harmful would it be to winning the race for AI为AI赢得比赛会有多有害?
544if America goes down the road of the EU and creates a heavy-handed prior approval government如果美国走在欧盟的道路上 并建立一个重压的事先批准政府
545regulatory process for AI?AI的监管程序?
546I think that would be disastrous.我认为这将是灾难性的。
547To give a more specific answer给出更具体的答复
548to your previous question which I think touches on why it would be so bad, there are three key inputs关于你之前的问题,我认为这个问题会这么糟糕,有三个关键投入
549these AI systems.这些人工智能系统。
550There's compute, all the infrastructure we're talking about, there's有计算,所有的基础设施 我们谈论的,有
551algorithms that we all do research on and there's data.算法,我们都在研究 并且有数据。
552If you don't have any one of those you cannot如果你没有这些,你无法
553succeed in making the best models and as Brad said the way for America to influence the world正如布拉德所说 美国影响世界的方式
554here is to have the technology that people most want to use and most adopt.在这里,人们最想使用的技术 和大多数的收养。
555世界使用iPhone系统
556and Google and Microsoft products and that's wonderful like that's how we have our influence.谷歌和微软产品, 如此美妙的,就是我们如何拥有我们的影响力。
557We don't want that to stop happening.我们不希望这种情况停止发生。
558So systems that stop us on any of these areas,所以在任何这些区域都阻止我们的系统
559if we have rules about what data we can train on that are not competitive with the rest of the如果我们有规则 我们可以在哪些数据 训练 与其余没有竞争力
560world then things can fall apart.然后世界就会崩溃
561If we are not able to build the infrastructure and particularly如果我们无法建设基础设施,特别是
562if we're not able to manufacture the chips in this country the rules can fall apart.如果我们不能在这个国家制造芯片 规则就会崩溃
563If we can't build如果我们不能建造
564the products that people want that naturally win in the market and I think people do want to use人们想要的产品 自然赢得市场 我认为人们确实想要使用
565American products we can make them the best but if we're prevented from doing that people will use美国的产品,我们可以让他们最好的 但如果我们被阻止做 人们会使用
566a better product made from somebody else that doesn't have the sort of you know that is not一个更好的产品 由别人做 没有那种你知道,不是
567stymied in the same way.以如是法而为障.
568So it is I am nervous about standards being set too early.因此,我对制定标准太早感到紧张。
569I'm totally我绝对是
570fine you know at the position some of my colleagues took that standards once the industry figures out好吧,你知道在职位上,我的一些同事 采取的标准,一旦行业发现
571what they should be it's fine for them to be adopted by a government body and sort of made他们应该做什么 被政府机构收养和制造
572more official but I believe the industry is moving quickly towards figuring out the right protocols更正式的,但我相信 业界正在迅速 开始找出正确的协议
573and standards here and we need the space to innovate and to move quickly.我们需要有创新和快速行动的余地。
574So if each of you could briefly answer that question because my time's expired so I want所以,如果你们每个人都能简短地回答这个问题 因为我的时间已经过去,所以我想
575to be respectful of that.以尊重这一点。
576I agree with the comments that's in.我同意其中的评论。
577I agree and I would just我同意,我会
578say and I think the point you're making is we have to be very careful not to have these说,我认为你的意思是 我们必须非常小心不要有这些
579pre-approval requirements including at state levels because that would really slow innovation包括州一级在内的批准前要求,因为这将真正减缓创新
580in the country.在这个国家。
581I think that a patchwork of regulatory overlays will我认为,一个零星的监管覆盖将
582cause friction in the ability to build and extend what we're doing.造成摩擦 能力 建设和扩展 我们正在做。
583Thank you.谢谢
584Senator Curtis.柯蒂斯参议员
585Schott.许特.
586Senator Schott.肖特参议员.
587Sorry apologies.对不起
588No problem Chairman.没问题,主席。
589Thank you for being here.谢谢你能来
590I just want to follow up on the Chairman's question and a sort of我只是想跟进主席的问题 和某种
591maybe an emerging consensus on the committee.也许委员会正在形成共识
592Okay I don't think there's anybody even on this好吧,我不认为有人 甚至在这个
593side of the dais that's proposing a sort of European style pre-approval.菊花的一侧 提出一种欧洲风格 预先批准。
594I think there are我觉得有
595some people who would like to do nothing at all in the regulatory space but I think most people有些人想在监管空间什么都不做 但我认为大多数人
596understand that some guardrails, those are the words that you use Mr. Altman, rules and guardrails你知道一些护栏,这些是你用阿尔特曼先生的话,规则和护栏
597are necessary.这是必要的。
598Are you saying that self-regulation is sufficient at the current moment?你是说,自我约束在目前已经足够了吗?
599No I think some policy is good.不,我觉得有些政策是好的。
600I think it is easy for it to go too far and as I've learned more我认为它很容易走得太远 因为我学到更多
601about how the world works I'm more afraid that it could go too far and have really bad consequences我更担心它可能走得太远 后果会很糟
602but people want to use products that are generally safe.但人们想要使用 通常安全的产品。
603You know when you get on an airplane you你知道当你上飞机的时候
604don't think about doing the safety testing yourself.别考虑自己做安全测试
605You're like this is well maybe this你就像这样,也许这样
606is a bad time to use the airplane example but you kind of like want to just trust that you can get以飞机为例的时机不好 但你喜欢相信自己能得到的
607on it.交给我
608It's an excellent time to use the airplane example but I think your point is exactly right以飞机为例是极好的机会 但我认为你的观点是对的
609is that look there is a race but we need to understand what we're racing for and it also看,有比赛,但我们需要了解 我们赛车的目的,它也
610has to do with American values.与美国价值观有关
611It's not just a sort of commercial race so we can edge out这不仅仅是一种商业比赛 这样我们才能摆脱困境
612our near peer competitor both in the public sector and the private sector.我们几乎是公共部门和私营部门的同行竞争者。
613We're trying to我们正在努力
614erase so that American values prevail internationally.抹去,让美国价值观在国际上盛行。
615Mr. Smith I want to move史密斯先生,我想搬家了
616on to another topic.关于另一个主题。
617It seems to me that on the consumer side that one of the most basic在我看来,消费者方面 最基本的
618rights of a user on the internet is to understand what they're looking at or listening to and互联网上用户的权利是了解他们在看什么或听什么
619whether or not it was created solely by a person, a person using an AI or automatically generated是否完全由个人、使用人工智能的人或自动生成
620using AI.使用人工智能。
621Do you think a labeling regime not a prohibition on the use of AI but just the你认为标签制度不是禁止使用人工智能,而只是
622disclosure especially as it relates to images, music, creativity, do you think a label would特别是当它与图像,音乐,创造力有关时 你认为标签会
623be helpful for consumers?帮助消费者?
624Generally yes and I think that's what we in the industry have been一般来说,是的,我认为 这就是我们这个行业一直
625working to create.努力创造。
626I think you're right to make the distinction and focus especially on say images,我认为你应该做出区分 并特别专注于说图像
627video, audio files.视频,音频文件。
628There's a standard called C2PA that we in a number of companies now have有个叫C2PA的标准,我们现在有不少公司
629been advancing.正在推进。
630It has content credentials.它有内容证书。
631It enables people to know where something was它可以让人们知道 东西在哪里
632created, who created it and I think you're right to know whether it was created by a person,是谁创造的 我认为你应该知道它是不是一个人创造的
633by AI or a person with the help of say AI.由大赦国际或某个人协助进行。
634I just want to use sort of a common language,我只想用一种普通的语言,
635not the language that all of you use or that we've all learned to use.不是你们大家使用的语言,也不是我们都学会使用的语言。
636When you talk about当你谈论
637data as one of the three elements that makes a model work, data really is intellectual property.数据作为使模型发挥作用的三个要素之一,数据实际上是知识产权。
638It is human innovation, human creativity and I do think we may have a disagreement and I agree with这是人类的创新,人类的创造力 我认为我们可能有分歧 我同意
639Senator Klobuchar about the need to understand that these models have been trained on data butKlobuchar参议员认为需要了解这些模型已经接受了数据培训,但
640what we're really talking about is human achievement all the way up to now and I have a deep worry.我们真正在谈论的是人类的成就 直到现在,我非常担心。
641I'm actually an optimist in the energy space, in the public service space, certainly in health我其实是一个乐观主义者 在能源空间, 在公共服务空间, 当然在健康
642innovation.创新。
643There are a lot of really exciting opportunities here but we're going to pay people这里有很多非常令人兴奋的机会 但我们会付钱给别人
644for their knowledge and I am concerned that these models are going to be so successful in我担心这些模式将会如此成功
645spitting out what appears to be knowledge that we're going to on the back end not pay people吐出来什么是似乎知道 我们要在后端 不付人钱
646for all of the the inputs and we will have a sort of stalling out of these models and you talked对于所有的投入, 我们将有某种 拖延这些模型 你说话
647about attention but I'm trying to figure out what the tension really is other than you'd like to pay关于注意,但我正在努力 找出什么是紧张 真正的是你想要支付
648as little as possible for these inputs.尽可能少地提供这些投入。
649Go ahead Mr. Smith.继续,史密斯先生。
650Well you had me until the last sentence.好吧,你让我 直到最后一句。
651I know.我知道,我记得
652Look we create intellectual property, we respect intellectual property so we're emphatically看,我们创造知识产权,我们尊重知识产权,所以我们很强烈
653the view that intellectual property and the creation of it should be rewarded.认为应奖励知识产权及其创造。
654Ultimately最终
655intellectual property laws are always about drawing the line.知识产权法总是要划清界限.
656It's really the line that you这真的是你的台词
657refer to.参考。
658In copyright there is expression that is protected.在版权中,有言论受到保护。
659If you write a book and somebody copies如果你写一本书,有人抄
660it then you are entitled to be paid but there are ideas if someone reads your book, if someone你有权领到报酬 但是如果有人读你的书,如果有人
661remembers that you know Shakespeare wrote a story about two teenagers who fell in love sure then记得莎士比亚写了一则关于两个青少年的故事吗?
662that's fair use.这很公平
663That's why this country that's what we need to focus on.所以这个国家才是我们需要关注的
664With your permission经你同意
665chairman I want to ask one final question.主席,我想问最后一个问题。
666Proceed.继续
667Thank you.谢谢
668I'm actually quite excited其实我很兴奋
669about the prospect that in 20 years people are going to say remember when you had to wait on the20年后人们会说 记得当你不得不等待
670phone to talk to Kaiser Permanente or the VA so I just maybe Mr. Altman and Mr. Smith I want you to给Kaiser Normane或VA打电话 所以我也许阿尔特曼先生和史密斯先生
671you know a buddy of mine used to say paint a picture and paint me in it okay.你知道我的一位朋友常说画一幅画 把我画进去
672For the government为了政府
673actually delivering services I want you to describe what an AI agent or AI can do to kind of reduce我想让你描述一下人工智能特工 或人工智能能做什么来减少
674those pain points that we accept as a fact of life in interacting with the government.那些痛苦点 我们接受的事实 生活与政府的互动。
675It seems to me在我看来
676so much of what makes us irritated with the government is the lack of sorting data that令我们烦恼的是 缺乏分类数据
677exists somewhere but we can't get access to it so just very quickly you have 15 seconds each for存在的地方,但是我们无法进入 所以很快,你每个有15秒
678cheerleading.啦啦队
679I can imagine a future where the U.S. government offers a AI powered service that我可以想象一个未来 美国政府提供AI电力服务
680makes it really easy to use all government services to get great health care to get great很容易利用所有的政府服务 获得伟大的医疗 获得伟大的
681education you have this thing in your pocket and if you have any medical problem you can answer你口袋里有这个东西 如果你有任何医疗问题 你可以回答
682if you need to you know like appeal something on some process you have in the government or file如果你需要知道 喜欢上诉的东西 在某个过程 你拥有 在政府或档案
683your taxes or whatever you just do it instantly you have an agent in your pocket fully integrated你的税或者任何你刚做的 你口袋里有一个经纪人 完全整合
684with the United States government and life is easy.和美国政府一起生活很轻松
685Anything to add?还有什么要补充的吗?
686Remember when you had to记住,当你不得不
687stand in line to renew your driver's license?排队换驾照?
688Remember when you didn't know how to report a记得当你不知道如何报告
689pothole that needed to be repaired on your street?在你街上需要修复的坑洞?
690Remember when you had a fender bender in a car记得你车里有个挡板
691and you had to fill out all these forms and talk to all these people to get insurance coverage?你不得不填写所有这些表格 并与所有这些人交谈 以获得保险?
692Now you can do it all with one AI system.现在你可以用一个人工智能系统来完成这一切。
693You can use your phone and by the way you can do this today你可以用你的电话 和方式你可以做到这一点今天
694in Abu Dhabi.在阿布扎比。
695We need to bring it to America.我们需要把它带到美国。
696Thank you.谢谢
697Senator Budd.参议员巴德。
698Thank you Chairman.谢谢主席。
699Again再来
700thank you all for being here.感谢大家来到这里。
701I've enjoyed various conversations with each of you.我很喜欢和你们每个人交谈
702The ability for能力
703the U.S. to deploy new energy generation capacity and upgrade its grid in many ways the key to the美国将部署新的能源发电能力,并以多种方式更新其电网,这是实现能源发电的关键。
704race against China.种族对抗中国。
705Energy is how we can win and it's also how we can lose.能源就是我们如何赢 也是我们如何输
706Permitting in this允许加入
707country it takes too long.国家要花太长时间
708China's command and control system means that they will not fail to中国的指挥控制系统意味着他们不会失败
709deploy the energy needed to achieve the scale necessary to develop the most advanced models部署所需能源,以实现开发最先进模型所需的规模
710which will drive all to the benefit of AI.这会让所有人受益于大赦国际。
711So I'm glad to be working with Senator Lummis on the Free所以我很高兴能和卢米斯参议员合作
712Act which would set up a permit by rule structure which would let large projects meet comprehensive将按规则结构制定许可证,使大型项目全面
713standards at the front end instead of dragged out on a case-by-case process.标准在前端,而不是逐个拖出。
714So we all want所以我们都想要
715to protect the environment and we all want to maintain U.S. economic and technological leadership.我们想保持美国的经济和技术领导地位。
716所以Entretour先生 CoreWeave在承包权方面的经验 你关心的是
717that the current permitting system can make it hard for the U.S. to achieve capital investment目前的许可制度可能使美国难以实现资本投资
718and the scale needed to win this AI race?和赢得人工智能比赛所需的规模?
719So as you said access to power, access to scale power所以,正如你说的 获得权力, 获得规模动力
720is certainly one of the keys to our ability to win this race.无疑是我们赢得这场比赛的能力的关键之一。
721There are others but it is one that还有其他的,但是它是一个
722I spend a lot of time thinking about.我花了很多时间思考。
723I separated the comment into access to power and access to我将评论从权力的获取和进入
724scale power because I do think that we are moving towards a period of this race where the size,因为我认为我们正走向这个种族的时期 其大小
725the magnitude of the infrastructure that is being required to move our artificial intelligence,移动人工智能所需要的基础设施规模,
726the labs that are building it, the companies that are building it forward at the velocity that is正在建造它的实验室 正在以速度建造它的公司
727necessary is going to be a specific challenge that really requires a lot of thought.必要性将是一个需要大量思考的具体挑战。
728We have a huge我们有一个巨大的
729part of our organization focused on not just getting access to power but getting access to本组织的一部分重点不仅在于获得权力,而且在于获得
730the size and scale of power that is going to be able to build the infrastructure at the scale of能够建设规模达到
731or close to it in order to allow this to move forward.或接近它,以允许这样做向前迈进。
732It is tough and it will get harder它很艰难,会越来越难
733as we move through time because the existing infrastructure that does have opportunities,随着时间的流逝,因为 现有的基础设施确实有机遇,
734it has some level of elasticity is going to be consumed and once that is consumed you are going它具有一定的弹性 会被消耗 一旦被消耗 你会去
735to get down to kind of a first principle how do we get power online now and that is really going我们如何在网上获得电源 这才是真正的发展
736be challenging within the regulatory environment as it currently is configured.在管理环境中,由于目前的配置而具有挑战性。
737Thank you.谢谢
738Mr.劳伦斯先生
739Smith, a similar question.史密斯,一个类似的问题。
740How is Microsoft trying to secure power for its data centers?微软如何试图为其数据中心确保电力?
741We read我们读
742about that in the news recently but what does federal policy need to focus on to make sure that但联邦政策需要关注什么才能确保
743we don't lose this race because we can't get enough energy?我们不会因为没有足够的能量而输掉这场比赛?
744We invest to bring more electricity我们投资带来更多的电力
745generation onto the grid and then to bring it through the grid to our data centers.然后把它带入我们的数据中心
746We probably我们可能
747have more permitting applications in more countries than quite possibly any company on在更多的国家里,申请许可的比任何公司都多。
748the planet.这个星球
749Last time I looked at it was 872 applications in more than 40 countries.上次我看它是在40多个国家的872份申请。
750The number one challenge in the United States when it comes to permitting interestingly enough美国的第一挑战,是让大家感兴趣
751is not local, it is not state, it is the federal wetlands permit that is administered by the Army不是地方,不是州,是联邦湿地许可 由军队管理
752Corps of Engineers.工兵团.
753We can typically get our local and state permits done in about six to nine我们一般可以在六到九年内 完成本地和州的许可
754months.几个月。
755The national wetlands permit is taking off in 18 to 24 months.国家湿地许可证将在18至24个月后起飞。
756Both the outgoing Biden两个即将离任的拜登
757administration and the incoming Trump administration have focused on this but if we could just solve政府和即将上任的川普政府都关注此事,但如果我们能解决
758that we could accelerate a lot here in this country.我们可以在这个国家加快速度
759Very helpful, thank you.非常有帮助,谢谢。
760Mr. Altman,阿尔特曼先生,
761much has been made about the Chinese open source models like DeepSeek.关于DeepSeek等中国开放源代码模型,已经做了很多工作.
762We spoke about that a month我们谈了一个月
763or two ago.或两个前。
764A concern that I have is that accessible Chinese models promoted by the Chinese我担心的是中国人提倡的 中国模式
765Communist Party might be an attractive option for AI application developers to build on top of,共产党对于AI应用程序开发者来说 可能是一个很有吸引力的选择 建立在...
766particularly in developing world economies.特别是在发展中国家。
767So how important is US leadership in either因此,美国领导人在其中之一的重要性
768open source or closed AI models?开源还是关闭的AI模型?
769I think it's quite important to lead in both.我认为领导两者很重要
770We realize that我们意识到
771we open AI can do more to help here so we're going to release an open source model that we我们打开AI可以做更多的帮助 在这里,所以我们要发布一个开源模型,我们
772will be the leading model this summer because we want people to build on the US stack.将在今年夏天成为领先的模型 因为我们希望人们能在美国堆积起来
773In terms方面
774of closed source models a lot of the world uses our technology and the technology of our colleagues世界上很多地方都使用我们的技术和我们同事的技术
775we think we're in good shape there.我们觉得我们身体很好
776So how could federal policy further help encourage AI ecosystem因此,联邦政策如何进一步帮助鼓励AI生态系统
777to be developed right here in the US?在美国发展?
778Well you touched on a great point with energy.嗯,你碰到一个伟大的点 用能量。
779I think我觉得
780it's hard to overstate how important energy is to the future here.很难夸大能源对于未来的重要性
781Eventually chips, network gear,最终芯片,网络齿轮,
782that will be made by robots and we'll make that very efficient and we'll make that cheaper and由机器人制造,我们会使 效率非常高,我们会使 便宜,
783cheaper but an electron is an electron.更便宜但电子是电子
784Eventually the cost of intelligence, the cost of AI will最终是情报成本,AI成本
785converge to the cost of energy and it'll be how much you can have the abundance of it will be与能源成本相融合 就能拥有丰富的能源
786limited by the abundance of energy.受能量充沛的限制.
787So in terms of long-term strategic investments for the US to make因此,从美国的长期战略投资来看,
788I can't think of anything more important than energy.我无法想到比能量更重要的事
789Chips and all the other infrastructure芯片和所有其他基础设施
790also but energy is where this I think this ends up.能量也是最后的结局
791Thank you.谢谢
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