实战练英文 | 美国国务卿卢比奥专访：俄乌停火谈判进展、取消
实战练英文 | 美国国务卿卢比奥专访：俄乌停火谈判进展、取消哈玛斯支持者绿卡违反论言论自由？｜Secretary of State Marco Rubio｜长文
发布于 2025-12-21 · 时长 19:20字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | All right, who's got a question? | 好吧,谁有问题? |
| 0:05 | Michael Gordon Wall Street Journal sir the Russians are still making gains on the battlefield | 迈克尔·戈登·华尔街日报 俄国人还在战场上取得胜利 |
| 0:10 | There's been no public response to the developments in in Jeddah. | 吉达的事态没有受到公众的响应. |
| 0:14 | Are you concerned? | 你担心吗? |
| 0:15 | They're playing for time | 他们在玩游戏 |
| 0:16 | Have you had any contact with them? | 你和他们有联系吗? |
| 0:19 | What's been their response officially and are they willing to accept the ceasefire unconditionally? | 他们有什么正式反应 他们是否愿意无条件接受停火? |
| 0:26 | Well, I mean we don't know the answer to the last question | 我们不知道最后一个问题的答案 |
| 0:28 | That's what we want to know whether they're prepared to do it unconditionally | 这就是我们想知道他们是否准备无条件这样做的原因 |
| 0:31 | We'll have contact with them today. | 我们今天和他们联系 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | All right, who's got a question? | 好吧,谁有问题? |
| 2 | Michael Gordon Wall Street Journal sir the Russians are still making gains on the battlefield | 迈克尔·戈登·华尔街日报 俄国人还在战场上取得胜利 |
| 3 | There's been no public response to the developments in in Jeddah. | 吉达的事态没有受到公众的响应. |
| 4 | Are you concerned? | 你担心吗? |
| 5 | They're playing for time | 他们在玩游戏 |
| 6 | Have you had any contact with them? | 你和他们有联系吗? |
| 7 | What's been their response officially and are they willing to accept the ceasefire unconditionally? | 他们有什么正式反应 他们是否愿意无条件接受停火? |
| 8 | Well, I mean we don't know the answer to the last question | 我们不知道最后一个问题的答案 |
| 9 | That's what we want to know whether they're prepared to do it unconditionally | 这就是我们想知道他们是否准备无条件这样做的原因 |
| 10 | We'll have contact with them today. | 我们今天和他们联系 |
| 11 | There's already been contacts at different levels with counterparts | 已经在不同级别与对应方有过联系 |
| 12 | different members of the administration and that'll continue | 不同的政府成员, 这将继续下去 |
| 13 | But as far as the Russian reaction to it, that's really the question here and that is you know | 但就俄国人的反应而言 这才是问题所在 |
| 14 | This is a few hours old. | 这是几小时前的事了 |
| 15 | We're gonna bring it to them directly. | 我们要直接带给他们 |
| 16 | We're gonna say that | 我们要说 |
| 17 | Ukraine is prepared to stop all | 乌克兰准备停止一切 |
| 18 | Activity and begin the immediate process of negotiating and during end of the war and we'll see what their response is if their response is yes | 立即开始谈判 战争结束后 我们看看他们的反应是肯定的 |
| 19 | Then we know we've made real progress and there's a real chance of peace if their response is no | 那么我们知道我们已经取得了真正的进步 如果他们的回答是否定的,就有一个真正的和平机会 |
| 20 | It would be highly unfortunate and it would make their intentions clear | 那将是非常不幸的,它会表明他们的意图 |
| 21 | So that's what we're hoping to hear from them. | 所以这就是我们希望从他们那里听到的信息。 |
| 22 | And obviously as I said that this was not pre-arranged for them. | 显然,正如我所说,这不是为他们预先安排的。 |
| 23 | So | 这么说 |
| 24 | They're they're process. | 它们是过程。 |
| 25 | They're probably processing the news the same as the rest of the world | 他们可能正在处理新闻 和世界其他地方一样 |
| 26 | So we hope to have a positive answer from them. | 因此,我们希望从他们那里得到一个积极的答案。 |
| 27 | The ball is truly in their court | 球真的在他们的球场上 |
| 28 | With the voice of America, what would be a good G7 to a statement on Russia and on China? | 以美国之声,对于关于俄罗斯和中国的声明,7国集团会有什么好? |
| 29 | well, I think the perfect statement would be that the United States has done a good thing for the world and | 我认为最好的声明是 美国为世界做了一件好事 |
| 30 | bringing this process forward and now we all eagerly await and | 推动这一进程,我们现在都急切等待, |
| 31 | The Russian response and urge them strongly to consider ending all hostilities | 俄罗斯的反应和强烈敦促它们考虑结束一切敌对行动 |
| 32 | So people will stop dying. | 这样人们就会停止死亡。 |
| 33 | So bullets will stop flying and so a process can begin to find a permanent peace | 所以子弹会停止飞行 这样就可以开始寻找永久的和平 |
| 34 | I think the first step in all this is the acceptance that there is no military solution to this conflict | 我认为第一步是承认这场冲突没有军事解决办法 |
| 35 | Neither side can militarily achieve their maximalist gains their maximalist goals | 任何一方都不可能在军事上实现他们的最大目标 |
| 36 | Neither side can achieve them through the military side. | 任何一方都无法通过军事方面实现这些目标。 |
| 37 | The only way this conflict can end is through negotiation | 只有通过谈判才能结束这场冲突 |
| 38 | That's the only way you're gonna have peace is through negotiation | 只有谈判才能让你得到和平 |
| 39 | And so we need to start that process and it is hard to start a process when people are shooting at each other and | 所以我们需要开始这个过程 当人们互相射杀时 很难开始一个过程 |
| 40 | People are dying. | 众生垂死. |
| 41 | And so our hope is that we can stop that | 所以我们希望我们能阻止 |
| 42 | all these hostilities and get to a negotiating table where both sides over | 所有这些敌对行动,并进入双方在谈判桌前 |
| 43 | Some period of time with a lot of hard work can find a mutually acceptable outcome | 一段时期,经过许多艰苦努力,可以找到双方都能接受的结果. |
| 44 | That in the case of Ukraine, obviously secures their long-term prosperity and security | 就乌克兰而言,这显然保障了它们的长期繁荣和安全。 |
| 45 | Mr. Secretary, I think you should just update us on mr | 部长先生,我认为你应该只是 更新我们有关先生 |
| 46 | Witkoff's plans for Moscow and whether he'll be meeting with with president Putin and then separately if you wouldn't mind elaborating on something that mr | Witkoff对莫斯科的计划 以及他是否要和普京总统会面 然后分开 如果你不介意的话 |
| 47 | Walt said yesterday about the specifics that you discussed with Ukrainians about what the end of the war would look like you had mentioned | Walt昨天说 你和乌克兰人讨论过 战争结束会是什么样子 |
| 48 | We're not going to get maps out and draw lines, but did you actually talk about territorial concessions? | 我们不会把地图弄出来画线 但你真的说过领土租让地吗? |
| 49 | We had conversations as far as Steve's trip | 我们聊到史蒂夫的旅行 |
| 50 | I'm not here. | 我不在这里。 |
| 51 | I can't I'm not gonna make any announcements about specific dates times or even confirms such a trip | 我不能宣布具体日期 也不能确认这次旅行 |
| 52 | Suffice it to say there's going to be multiple points of contact with the Russians to gauge | 只要说和俄国人有多个联系点 |
| 53 | are they willing to do this or not and | 他们愿意这样做与否, |
| 54 | As far as the conversations that were yesterday. | 至于昨天的谈话 |
| 55 | Yeah, when you sit down with a counterpart like Ukraine | 是的,当你坐下 与乌克兰这样的对手 |
| 56 | You know, we're not going to negotiate this publicly | 我们不会公开谈判的 |
| 57 | We're not going to actually put out there sort of what we talked about because in any negotiation | 我们不会真的把 那种我们谈论的,因为在任何谈判中 |
| 58 | There's certainly an element where you don't want one side to be giving away all this leverage from a public perspective | 肯定有一个因素,你不希望一方 从公众的角度 放弃所有这些杠杆 |
| 59 | We had a broad conversation about what what it would but I think the bulk of our conversation was | 我们聊了很多事情,但我想我们谈话的大部分是 |
| 60 | What a negotiation process would look like in terms of not the specific conditions | 就具体条件而言,谈判进程将是什么样子 |
| 61 | But rather the timing of it sort of the steps they would like to see taken | 但确切地说,时机是他们想看到的 |
| 62 | The Ukrainians made very clear that this isn't just about ending a war. | 乌克兰人明确表示,这不仅仅是结束战争。 |
| 63 | They need to get their prisoners of war back | 他们需要把他们的战俘找回来 |
| 64 | They need to get the children back | 他们需要把孩子们带回来 |
| 65 | They'd like to see an exchange of prisoners of war. | 他们希望看到交换战俘. |
| 66 | They'd like to see their children back | 他们想看孩子回来 |
| 67 | So there's all sorts of things tied to the humanitarian assistance is important as well | 所以人道主义援助也很重要 |
| 68 | There are areas of Ukraine that have been badly damaged that require media assistance | 乌克兰有些地区受到严重破坏,需要媒体援助。 |
| 69 | So these are the sorts of things that we talked about as being | 这就是我们所说的那种 |
| 70 | Inclusive in the negotiation process | 纳入谈判进程 |
| 71 | So really the bulk of our conversation when we got to that stage of it was discussing the kinds of items that need to be | 当我们到达那个阶段时,我们的对话 主要是讨论那些需要的东西 |
| 72 | On any negotiation agenda even when we hopefully get there | 在任何谈判日程上,即使我们有望到达 |
| 73 | He also mentioned security guarantees, which is something that there has been some reluctance for | 他还提到安全保证,这是人们不太愿意接受的。 |
| 74 | The administration to elaborate on have you are you committing to secure? | 你承诺要保证安全吗? |
| 75 | I think the point no that the point to understand is that we're looking at is securing their long-term | 我认为,不,要理解的要点是,我们正在研究的是保障他们的长远利益。 |
| 76 | What we want to see like any country in the world Ukraine wants their long-term security | 我们想看到的是世界上任何国家 都想要他们的长期安全 |
| 77 | They want to make sure that this doesn't happening and we all do what is the point of spending all this time? | 他们想确保这不会发生, 我们都做有什么意义 花这么多时间? |
| 78 | To get a ceasefire hopefully and then a negotiated end of the war only to see it | 希望能够实现停火,然后谈判结束战争,只看到它 |
| 79 | Respark up again in about six years four years three years. | 大约6年4年3年之后又恢复了 |
| 80 | No one's into I were not interested in that | 没人喜欢我对这个没兴趣 |
| 81 | They certainly aren't either so I think the question really is more about a deterrence | 肯定不是,所以我觉得问题 其实更多是威慑 |
| 82 | Can can Ukraine create a sufficient deterrent against future aggression against future attack against future invasion? | 乌克兰能否对今后针对未来入侵的攻击建立充分的威慑力? |
| 83 | Because every country in the world has a right to defend themselves and no one can dispute that so that will most certainly have to be | 因为世界上每一个国家都有自卫的权利,没有人可以对此提出异议,因此,这无疑必须是: |
| 84 | Part of the conversation, but again | 谈话的一部分,但还是 |
| 85 | I don't think there's there's there isn't a peace to secure until you have a peace | 我不觉得没有和平就没有和平 |
| 86 | But there's no way to have an enduring peace without the deterrence peace being a part of it | 但是,没有威慑和平,就不可能有持久和平 |
| 87 | Yes point because the joint statement talks about European partners being involved in the peace process | 是,因为联合声明谈到欧洲伙伴参与和平进程 |
| 88 | But that's only attributed to the Ukrainian delegation. | 但这只能归功于乌克兰代表团. |
| 89 | It doesn't appear to be US support | 这似乎不是美国的支持 |
| 90 | Well, I think what it says in the statement is that they raised the need for the Europeans | 我认为声明里说的是 他们提出了对欧洲人的需求 |
| 91 | But I've already said publicly the Europeans have issued a series of sanctions against the Russian Federation and I would imagine that in any | 但我已经公开说 欧洲人已经对俄罗斯联邦 发布了一系列制裁 我想在任何 |
| 92 | Negotiation if we get there, hopefully with the Russians that they will raise these European | 如果我们到了那里,就和俄国人谈判 希望他们能提拔这些欧洲人 |
| 93 | The | 那个 |
| 94 | European sanctions that have been imposed upon them | 对他们实施的欧洲制裁 |
| 95 | So I think that the issue of European sanctions are going to be on the table not to mention what happens with the frozen assets | 因此,我认为欧洲制裁的问题将摆在桌面上,更不用说被冻结资产的后果了。 |
| 96 | And the like and so I think it's self-evident that for there to be a peace | 类似的东西,所以我认为不言而喻的是,为了和平 |
| 97 | In Ukraine at the end of that process | 在该进程结束时在乌克兰 |
| 98 | There's going to have to be some decision made by the Europeans about what they're going to do with these sanctions and so forth | 欧洲人必须做出一些决定 来决定他们要如何处理这些制裁等等 |
| 99 | And so that's why I think they have to be necessarily involved in this regard | 所以我认为他们必须参与其中 |
| 100 | Now whether they're involved at the front end of it or at the back end of it | 现在,无论是在它的前端 还是它的后端 |
| 101 | It'll have to play itself out and then obviously there's also all sorts of security | 它必须发挥自己 然后显然还有各种安全 |
| 102 | Promises that European countries have made to Ukraine that that will also be I imagine a part of this conversation as we move forward | 欧洲国家向乌克兰承诺,在我们前进的过程中,我设想这也是对话的一部分。 |
| 103 | So we don't disagree with that statement. | 因此,我们不反对这种说法. |
| 104 | I think the statement just reflects that they raised it | 我认为,声明只是反映了 他们提出它 |
| 105 | Did you back peace keep European peacekeepers in Ukraine, which is something Russia's? | 你支持和平把欧洲维和人员留在乌克兰,这是俄罗斯的吗? |
| 106 | I mean, there's way there's different ways to | 我的意思是,有办法 有不同的方式 |
| 107 | There's different ways to construct a deterrent on the ground that prevents another war from starting in the future | 有不同的方式在地面上构筑威慑 防止战争在未来爆发 |
| 108 | We're not going to go in with any sort of preconceived | 我们不会先入为主的 |
| 109 | Notion the bottom line is it needs to be something that makes Ukraine feel as if they can deter and prevent a future invasion | 底线是,乌克兰必须感到,它们可以阻止和防止未来的入侵。 |
| 110 | How that looks and how that's put together. | 这看起来如何 如何组合起来。 |
| 111 | That's what we're going to be talking about if we can get to that stage again right now | 这就是我们要谈论的 如果我们能再次登上舞台 现在 |
| 112 | We're just trying to get to the stage where there's actual diplomacy happening | 我们只是想进入真正的外交舞台 |
| 113 | Here's what we'd like the world to look like in a few days neither side is shooting at each other not rockets not missiles | 这就是我们希望世界在几天内的样子 双方都在互相射击 不是火箭 不是导弹 |
| 114 | Not bullets nothing not artillery the shooting stops the fighting stops and the talking starts | 没有子弹 没有火炮 射击停止战斗 开始说话 |
| 115 | That's what we want to see what happens during that talking and how that evolves | 这就是我们想看到的 在谈话中发生什么 如何演变 |
| 116 | I think we're gonna have to be flexible and nimble and creative and patient and work hard at it and hopefully turn it into something | 我认为我们必须灵活 灵活 富有创意 耐心 努力工作 希望它能变成某种东西 |
| 117 | That's concrete | 混凝土 |
| 118 | You've you've covered many of you have covered foreign policy for years | 你已经覆盖了你们许多人 多年来的外交政策 |
| 119 | That's how these things happen and they're not easy and sometimes they're difficult to predict which way they're going to go in terms of | 这就是这些事情的发生方式,它们并不容易,有时很难预测它们会走向什么方向. |
| 120 | The specifics of it, but we just want to get to that stage that would be | 具体细节,但我们只是想 进入那个阶段,这将是 |
| 121 | For lack of a better term a good problem to have to have to figure out how to negotiate a piece because we're actually | 由于没有更好的术语,一个好的问题 必须想出如何谈判一个作品,因为我们实际上是 |
| 122 | Negotiating a piece while the shooting is stopped | 在射击停止时谈判一块 |
| 123 | President Trump appealed to a lot of Americans during his campaign on free speech arguments | 特朗普总统在竞选自由言论辩论时呼吁许多美国人. |
| 124 | Not suppressing speech, especially from the government | 不压制言论,尤其是政府言论 |
| 125 | But your revocation of the green card to many is seen as one of the most anti-speech | 但你取消了绿卡给很多人 被认为是最反言论之一 |
| 126 | Actions a secretary could take with his powers. | 秘书可以行使权力采取行动。 |
| 127 | How do you respond? | 你怎么回应? |
| 128 | Yeah, I mean the first question was again the is the minerals deal | 是啊,我的意思是第一个问题 又是矿产交易 |
| 129 | Well, I think that a minerals deal is something that I think is beneficial for both countries | 我认为矿产交易对两国都有好处 |
| 130 | Certainly one of the things that provides for Ukraine's | 肯定有一件事 提供乌克兰 |
| 131 | Long-term prosperity and security is | 长期繁荣与安全 |
| 132 | Vibrant economic growth and development that their GDP is begins to grow and rap that gives them a tremendous amount of leverage and power | 蓬勃的经济增长和发展,他们的国内生产总值开始增长和饶舌,给予他们巨大的影响力和力量。 |
| 133 | And the ability to fund their own defenses | 并且有能力资助他们自己的防御 |
| 134 | So I think certainly any economic development for Ukraine is positive for their own future | 因此,我认为乌克兰的任何经济发展肯定对本国的未来都有利。 |
| 135 | Obviously the United States has a vested economic interest somewhere. | 显然,美国在某个地方具有既得经济利益。 |
| 136 | We're tied to them on an economic front | 我们在经济战线上被绑住了 |
| 137 | We're in partnership with them on something. | 我们和他们有合作关系 |
| 138 | We will have an interest in the future of Ukraine as well | 我们也会关心乌克兰的未来 |
| 139 | I wouldn't couch it as a security guarantee | 我不会把它当作担保 |
| 140 | But certainly if the United States has invested economic interest that's generating revenue for our people as well as for the people of Ukraine | 但是,当然,如果美国投入经济利益,为我国人民以及乌克兰人民创造收入 |
| 141 | We'd have a vested interest in protecting it if it were to be challenged or threatened | 如果它受到挑战或威胁 我们保护它有既得利益 |
| 142 | On your first point when you enter the this is an important point | 当你进入第一点时,这是一个重要的问题 |
| 143 | And I'm glad you asked this question when you come to the United States as a visitor | 我很高兴你来美国做客时问了这个问题 |
| 144 | Which is what a visa is which is how this individual entered this country on a visitor's visa, okay? | 签证就是这个人凭访客签证进入这个国家的原因 |
| 145 | You are here as a visitor we can deny you that visa we can deny you that if you tell us when you apply | 你是来拜访的 我们可以拒绝你的签证 如果你在申请时告诉我们 |
| 146 | Hi, I'm trying to get into the United States on a student visa | 嗨,我想用学生签证进入美国 |
| 147 | I am a big supporter of Hamas a murderous barbaric group that kidnaps children that rapes teenage girls | 我是哈马斯的大支持者 一个野蛮的杀人团伙 绑架儿童 强奸少女 |
| 148 | That takes hostages that allows them to die in captivity that returns bought more bodies than live hostages | 这需要人质 让他们在囚禁中死去 返回购买更多的尸体 比活的人质 |
| 149 | If you tell us that you are in favor of a group like this | 如果你告诉我们你赞成这样的团体 |
| 150 | and if you tell us when you apply for your visa and by the way, I intend to come to your country as a | 如果你在申请签证时告诉我们 我打算来你的国家 |
| 151 | student and rile up all kinds of anti-jewish student anti-semitic activities | 学生和鼓动各种反犹太学生反教会活动 |
| 152 | I intend to shut down your universities if you told us all these things when you applied for a visa | 我打算关闭你的大学 如果你告诉我们这些事情 当你申请签证 |
| 153 | We would deny your visa | 我们会拒绝你的签证 |
| 154 | I hope we would if you actually end up doing that once you're in this country on such a visa | 我希望,如果你真的结束 这样做,一旦你在这个国家 以这样的签证 |
| 155 | We will revoke it and if you end up having a green card not citizenship | 我们会撤销它 如果你最终拥有绿卡而不是公民身份 |
| 156 | But a green card as a result of that visa while you're here and those activities. | 但绿卡是签证的结果 当你在这里和那些活动。 |
| 157 | We're gonna kick you out | 我们要把你赶出去 |
| 158 | It's as simple as that. | 就这么简单 |
| 159 | This is not about free speech | 这跟言论自由无关 |
| 160 | This is about people that don't have a right to be in the United States to begin with no one has a right to a student | 这是关于那些没有权利去美国的人 开始就没有人有权利找学生 |
| 161 | Visa no one has a right to a green card, by the way | 顺便说一句,签证没有权利获得绿卡 |
| 162 | So when you apply for a student visa or any visa to enter the United States | 所以,当你申请学生签证或任何签证 进入美国 |
| 163 | We have a right to deny you for virtually any reason but I think being a supporter of Hamas and coming into our universities | 我们有权以任何理由拒绝你 但我认为是哈马斯的支持者 并进入我们的大学 |
| 164 | And turning them upside down and being complicit and what are clearly crimes of vandalization complicit in shutting down learning institutions | 把他们颠倒和串通起来 以及什么显然是破坏罪 串通关闭学习机构 |
| 165 | There are kids at these schools that can't go to class | 学校里有些孩子不能上课 |
| 166 | You pay all this money to these high-priced schools that are supposed to be of great esteem and you can't even go to class | 你把这些钱都付给这些高价的学校 他们应该很受尊敬,你甚至不能去上课 |
| 167 | You're afraid to go to class because these lunatics are running around with covers on their face | 你害怕去上课,因为这些疯子 到处跑来跑去,脸上有被子 |
| 168 | Screaming terrifying things if you told us that's what you intended to do when you came to America | 如果你告诉我们 你来美国的时候就打算这么做 |
| 169 | We would have never let you in and if you are and if you do it once you get in we're gonna revoke it and kick | 我们绝不会让你进来 如果你是 如果你一进去就这么做 我们会撤销它并踢 |
| 170 | You out | 你出来 |
| 171 | The president has | 总统已经 |
| 172 | Taunted if you will a Canada calling the 51st state's calling | 被一个叫51州电话的加拿大人吓坏了 |
| 173 | Should become the 51st state from an economic standpoint. | 从经济角度看,应该成为第51个州。 |
| 174 | He says that they became the 51st state | 他说他们成了第51个州 |
| 175 | We wouldn't have to worry about the border and fentanyl coming across because now we would be able to manage that | 我们不必担心边境和芬太尼会经过 因为我们现在可以应付了 |
| 176 | He's made an argument that it's their interest to do. | 他提出的论点是,这是他们的利益所在. |
| 177 | So obviously the Canadians don't agree apparently, but | 显然加拿大人并不同意 但是 |
| 178 | Well, that's not what we're gonna discuss at the g7 and that's not what we're gonna be discussing in our trip here | 这不是我们要在G7上讨论的 也不是我们在旅行中要讨论的 |
| 179 | So they're the host nation and I I mean that we have a lot of other things we work on together | 所以,他们是东道国 我的意思是,我们有很多其他的事情 我们一起工作 |
| 180 | We defend North America through NORAD in the airspace of our continent together | 我们一起通过北美防空组织 保卫我们大陆的领空 |
| 181 | So they're not to mention the issues of Ukraine and other commonalities | 所以他们不提乌克兰的问题和其他共同点 |
| 182 | So we're gonna be focused in the g7 on all of those things | ┮и璶G7 荷秖┮Τㄆ薄 |
| 183 | That's what the meeting is about. | 即此会. |
| 184 | It is not a meeting about how we're gonna take over Canada | 这不是关于我们如何接管加拿大的会议 |
| 185 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 186 | Should I be what do you know that? | 我应该是什么你知道吗? |
| 187 | I don't know | 我不知道,你觉得呢? |
| 188 | Yeah, so what's your point? | 是啊,那你有什么意义? |
| 189 | Yeah, I mean they've invited us to come we intend to go with the alternative is to not go | 是啊,我的意思是,他们邀请我们来 我们打算去的替代办法是不要去 |
| 190 | I think that would actually make things worse not better. | 我认为这实际上会 使事情更糟糕 不更好。 |
| 191 | So it's a g7 summer | 所以,这是一个G7夏天 |
| 192 | Huh? | 是吗? |
| 193 | Could be not to have tariffs or not to have the language of the president | 可能没有关税 也可能没有总统的语言 |
| 194 | No, those are policy decisions. | 不,这些都是政策决定。 |
| 195 | And so at the end of the day the president's made those decisions. | 总统最后做出这些决定 |
| 196 | He's explained why it's not just against Canada | 他解释了为什么它不只是反对加拿大 |
| 197 | It's not just against Mexico. | 这不仅仅是反对墨西哥。 |
| 198 | It's not just against g7 countries | 这不仅仅是针对七国 |
| 199 | He's imposed steel and aluminum tariffs now on virtually the entire world and the reason we're doing this is because we're doing this | 他现在对全世界征收钢铁和铝关税 我们这样做的原因是我们这样做 |
| 200 | The reason why is not to punish those countries | 原因是不惩罚这些国家 |
| 201 | It's because he has outlined the need to develop a domestic capability | 是因为他概述了发展国内能力的必要性 |
| 202 | If you don't have steel and aluminum, you can't build warships | 没有钢和铝,就不能造军舰 |
| 203 | You can't build airplanes and you're not an industrial economy | 你不能造飞机,你不是工业经济 |
| 204 | There are things we have to be able to protect and there's a lot of unfair trade practices | 有些东西我们必须保护 有很多不公平的贸易做法 |
| 205 | A lot of countries out there who subsidize their industries so that they can gain global market share | 在那里的许多国家 补贴他们的产业 以便他们能够获得全球市场份额 |
| 206 | So they subsidize the industries they're operating at a loss | 因此,他们补贴 他们经营的行业亏损 |
| 207 | Meanwhile, our industries are trying to compete fairly and that's why you don't have steel plants | 同时 我们的产业正试图公平竞争 所以你没有钢铁厂 |
| 208 | And that's why you can't produce the aluminum and that really threatens our national security in the long term | 这就是为什么你不能生产铝 这真的威胁到 我们的国家安全长期 |
| 209 | So these are national security concerns when it comes to steel and aluminum and some of these other products | 在钢铁和铝 以及其他产品方面 这些都是国家安全问题 |
| 210 | But ultimately the president feels strongly and I personally agree that we have made some decisions when it comes to trade policies | 但归根结底,总统感到很强烈,我个人同意,当涉及到贸易政策时,我们已经做出了一些决定。 |
| 211 | That have led to the deindustrialization of America and have left us deeply vulnerable to any sort of interruptions in global supplies | 这导致美国非工业化,使我们极易受到全球供应中断的任何影响。 |
| 212 | And or it being used to extort us not to mention our inability to produce things that we need for our own economy and for our own defense | 或者用它来勒索我们 更不要说我们没有能力 生产出我们需要的东西 为了我们自己的经济和我们自己的防卫 |
| 213 | So that's what those policies are about | 这就是那些政策的目的 |
| 214 | Every country in the world we expect will act in their national interest | 我们所期望的世界上每一个国家 都会为国家利益而行动 |
| 215 | The United States forgot that | 美国忘记了 |
| 216 | President Trump is reminding us of that and getting us back to that | 川普总统在提醒我们 并让我们回到 |
| 217 | And I think it is quite possible that we could do these things and at the same time deal in a constructive way with our allies and friends and partners | 我认为我们完全有可能 做这些事情 同时以建设性的方式 与我们的盟友 朋友和伙伴 |
| 218 | On all the other issues that we work together on | 关于我们共同处理的所有其他问题 |
| 219 | And that's what I expect out of the G7 in Canada | 这才是我对加拿大七大集团的期望 |
| 220 | Can I just ask on Russia, did you or Waltz have any contact with Zelensky while you were in Saudi Arabia? | 我能问问俄罗斯吗 你或华尔兹在沙特阿拉伯时 和泽连斯基有任何联系吗 |
| 221 | I didn't, I don't believe Mr. Waltz did either but I did not | 我没有,我不相信 华兹先生也做了,但我没有 |
| 222 | But that was the team he selected and it was appropriate, it was his closest advisor, it was their foreign minister, it was their head of security | 但这是他选择的团队 这是适当的,这是他最亲密的顾问, 是他们的外交部长,是他们的安全负责人 |
| 223 | So we felt that that was the counterparts they sent and to deal with us and that's obviously pretty common in these sorts of things | 所以我们觉得那是他们派来和我们打交道的对手 这显然很常见 |
| 224 | Generally the heads of state meets heads of state and appropriate counterparts meet others | 一般情况下,国家元首会见国家元首,适当对应方会见其他人 |
| 225 | I imagine he had to get back and he's the president of a wartime country | 我想他必须回去 他是战国总统 |
| 226 | But we did not have any contact with him there | 但我们没有和他有任何联系 |
| 227 | But I wouldn't read anything into it other than he selected his team for these talks and the president selected his | 但我不会读到任何东西 除了他选择他的团队 参加这些会谈,总统选择了他的 |
| 228 | And was there any discussion with the Ukrainians about how a ceasefire, if Russia agrees, would be enforced? | 如果俄罗斯同意,将如何执行停火,是否与乌克兰人进行过任何讨论? |
| 229 | How would the U.S. insure a party? | 美国如何保证一个派对? |
| 230 | Well the interesting thing about modern warfare is it's easier than ever to monitor | 现代战争的有趣之处是 比以往更容易监控 |
| 231 | Simply because there's so many eyes on the ground and there's also all sorts of overhead, commercial satellite and the like | 只是因为地面上有很多眼睛 还有各种高空 商业卫星之类的 |
| 232 | It would be pretty hard to hide drone strikes, it would be hard to hide missile strikes, ballistic strikes, artillery | 隐藏无人机攻击 隐藏导弹攻击 弹道攻击 火炮 |
| 233 | So we feel like that is something that could be monitored | 因此,我们觉得这是 东西可以监测 |
| 234 | Obviously if in fact the Russians say yes, let's hope they say yes | 显然,如果事实上俄罗斯人答应了,希望他们答应 |
| 235 | If they say yes, one of the things we'll have to determine is who do both sides trust to be on the ground | 如果他们答应了,我们得确定一件事 是双方都相信谁在现场 |
| 236 | To sort of monitor some of the small arms fires and exchanges that could happen | 监测一些小武器的火灾和交易 |
| 237 | But those are practices that have become common in these and I don't think that would be difficult to set up | 但这些做法已经很常见了 我认为这不会很难建立 |
| 238 | We didn't get into specifics but obviously the need to monitor a ceasefire is clear to everyone | 我们没有说出具体细节,但显然需要监督停火,大家都很清楚 |
| 239 | Just a quick follow up on this question | 璶蛤帝硂拜肈 |
| 240 | This is it | 就是这个 |
| 241 | Last question | 最后一个问题 |
| 242 | Sir, this administration has not hesitated to put a lot of pressure on Ukraine | 先生,政府毫不犹豫地 向乌克兰施压 |
| 243 | You reduced their intelligence support in the middle of a shooting war | 你在枪战中减少了情报支援 |
| 244 | You temporarily cut off their arms, criticized them publicly, not you, but leadership in public | 你暂时切断了他们的手臂,公开批评他们,不是你,而是公开的领导 |
| 245 | Are you truly prepared to apply pressure on Russia? | 你真的准备对俄罗斯施加压力吗? |
| 246 | Should it be recalcitrant and not agree to the terms of the ceasefire? | 它是否应该顽抗而不同意停火条款? |
| 247 | There's been no concrete action that this administration has taken to punish Russia since it's come to office | 本届政府上任后没有采取具体行动来惩罚俄国 |
| 248 | Well, a couple points to be clear | 嗯,有两点是明确的 |
| 249 | As far as I am aware, the United States has not provided armaments to Russia | 据我所知,美国没有向俄罗斯提供军备 |
| 250 | The United States is not providing assistance to Russia | 美国不向俄罗斯提供援助 |
| 251 | Every single sanction that has been imposed on Russia remains in place | 对俄罗斯实施的每一项制裁都仍然有效 |
| 252 | Every single sanction the President inherited has remained in place | 总统继承的每一项制裁都仍然有效 |
| 253 | Previous administration | 前任行政当局 |
| 254 | Right, but well, they're pretty sanctioned up | 对,但是他们很受欢迎 |
| 255 | There's a lot of sanctions already | 制裁已经很多了 |
| 256 | So my point being is that there's been no steps taken to relieve any of these things | 所以我要说的是,没有采取任何步骤来缓解这些事情 |
| 257 | These things continue to be in place | 这些东西还在继续 |
| 258 | But we don't think it's constructive for me to stand here today and begin to issue threats about what we're going to do if Russia says no | 但我们不认为我今天站在这里 开始威胁我们该怎么办 如果俄罗斯拒绝 |
| 259 | Let's hope they say yes | 希望他们答应 |
| 260 | At the end, let's understand, I remind everybody and bring you back to the point | 最后,让我们明白,我提醒大家,把你带回正题 |
| 261 | The President's desire here is to bring about a lasting and enduring peace in Ukraine | 总统希望实现乌克兰的持久和平 |
| 262 | He wants the shooting and the fighting to stop not just for 30 days, not just for 60 days, but permanently | 他希望枪战和战斗不仅停止30天 不仅停止60天,而且永久停止 |
| 263 | To do that, both sides have to come to the table | 要做到这一点,双方必须来讨论 |
| 264 | We are happy | 我们很快乐 |
| 265 | We are happy that the Ukrainians have agreed to do so | 我们很高兴乌克兰人同意这样做。 |
| 266 | Now it is up to Russia to say yes | 现在得由俄国来答应了 |
| 267 | If Russia says yes, that's very good news | 如果俄罗斯答应,那就太好了 |
| 268 | And we will begin that process and do everything we can to move that process forward | 我们将开始这一进程,并尽一切努力推动这一进程。 |
| 269 | If they say no, then obviously we'll have to examine everything and sort of figure out where we stand in the world and what their true intentions are | 如果他们说不,那么很明显,我们将 检查一切 并排序出我们的立场 在世界上是什么 他们的真正意图 |
| 270 | I think it'll be, if they say no, it'll tell us a lot about what their goals are and what their mindset is | 我认为,如果他们说不,它会告诉我们很多 他们的目标是什么,他们的心态是什么 |
| 271 | But I don't want to go into that before they've even answered us by issuing statements that are abrasive in any way | 但我不想在他们回答我们之前 发表任何令人沮丧的声明 |
| 272 | Our hope is that when we met with them last, they expressed a willingness under the right conditions | 我们希望,当我们最后一次会见他们时,他们在适当的条件下表达了意愿。 |
| 273 | Without elaborating on the right conditions to bring an end to this conflict | 不详述结束这场冲突的适当条件 |
| 274 | That was our question when we met with them | 这是我们和他们见面时的问题 |
| 275 | I think I shared it with you that we're on our trip | 我想我跟你分享了 我们在旅行 |
| 276 | The point of meeting with them was to find out is this a war they wanted to end | 和他们见面的目的是找出这场战争 他们想结束这场战争 |
| 277 | Or is this a war they just wanted to continue in perpetuity until they achieved whatever goals they have in mind | 或者说,这是一场战争,他们只是想永远坚持下去,直到他们实现他们想达到的目标。 |
| 278 | And they expressed a willingness under the right circumstances, which they did not define, to bring an end to this conflict | 他们表示愿意在他们没有界定的恰当情况下结束这场冲突。 |
| 279 | So we have Ukraine ready to come to the table | 所以乌克兰准备就绪 |
| 280 | Now we need to get Russia to come to the table | 现在我们得让俄国坐到桌子上去 |
| 281 | If they do and the shooting stops, I think that's a very good day in the world | 如果他们这样做和射击停止, 我认为这是一个非常好的一天 在世界上 |
| 282 | Obviously no one here is pretending that that negotiation is going to be easy or fast or simple | 显然这里没有人假装 谈判会是容易、快或简单的 |
| 283 | But at least we've gotten to that point | 但至少我们已经到了这一点 |
| 284 | If their answer is no, then obviously we'll have to deal with that | 如果他们的回答是否定的,那么很明显,我们不得不处理 |
| 285 | And we'll have to, at that point, make decisions on that basis | 此时此刻,我们必须在此基础上作出决定 |
| 286 | We're not there yet. | 我们还没到 |
| 287 | Hopefully the answer is yes | 但愿答案是肯定的 |
| 288 | Okay, thanks guys | 好的,谢谢各位 |
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