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发布于 2026-01-06 · 时长 11:14字幕摘录
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| 0:00 | Joining me now just back from that trip to the Middle East is Treasury Secretary Scott Besson who has a lot on his plate | 刚刚从中东之行回来的 是财政部长斯科特·贝松 他有很多事要做 |
| 0:06 | It's so good to have you here Jake. | 很高兴你在这里,杰克。 |
| 0:08 | Good morning. | 早上好,你好吗? |
| 0:08 | Good to see you | 很高兴见到你 |
| 0:09 | So let's just talk about Moody's downgrading America's triple a credit citing out-of-control debt | 所以,让我们只是谈谈穆迪 降级美国三倍 信贷引用失控债务 |
| 0:15 | Citing growing interest payments on that debt | 以该债务的利息支付不断增加为理由 |
| 0:18 | How concerned are you that this is going to drive interest rates in the US even higher and maybe even drive? | 你有多担心这能推动美国利率的提高 甚至甚至驱动? |
| 0:24 | Investment in the US away. | 投资美国。 |
| 0:25 | Well Jake first of all that the history of rating agencies by the time they get to a downgrade | Jake首先说到 评级机构在降级前的历史 |
| 0:30 | Everything's already in the market Larry Summers, and I don't agree on everything but in | 一切都在市场上了 Larry Summers 我不同意一切 |
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| 1 | Joining me now just back from that trip to the Middle East is Treasury Secretary Scott Besson who has a lot on his plate | 刚刚从中东之行回来的 是财政部长斯科特·贝松 他有很多事要做 |
| 2 | It's so good to have you here Jake. | 很高兴你在这里,杰克。 |
| 3 | Good morning. | 早上好,你好吗? |
| 4 | Good to see you | 很高兴见到你 |
| 5 | So let's just talk about Moody's downgrading America's triple a credit citing out-of-control debt | 所以,让我们只是谈谈穆迪 降级美国三倍 信贷引用失控债务 |
| 6 | Citing growing interest payments on that debt | 以该债务的利息支付不断增加为理由 |
| 7 | How concerned are you that this is going to drive interest rates in the US even higher and maybe even drive? | 你有多担心这能推动美国利率的提高 甚至甚至驱动? |
| 8 | Investment in the US away. | 投资美国。 |
| 9 | Well Jake first of all that the history of rating agencies by the time they get to a downgrade | Jake首先说到 评级机构在降级前的历史 |
| 10 | Everything's already in the market Larry Summers, and I don't agree on everything but in | 一切都在市场上了 Larry Summers 我不同意一切 |
| 11 | 2011 the last time or two times ago when he had to downgrade, you know, he put he poo pooed it | 2011年,最后一次或两次前 当他不得不降级, 你知道,他放他便便了它 |
| 12 | you know what what I think is important is that President Trump has just come back from this historic Middle East trip and | 你知道我认为重要的是 川普总统刚刚从历史性的中东之行回来 |
| 13 | There's trillions of dollars coming into the u.s. | 万亿元入乌. |
| 14 | So we are seeing confidence from investors | 我们从投资者那里看到信心 |
| 15 | So I I don't put much credence in the Moody's let's turn to trade because that's obviously where there's been a lot of focus | 所以我不怎么相信穆迪,我们开始交易吧 因为那显然有很多焦点 |
| 16 | President Trump just put 150 countries on notice that their tariffs are about to go higher in the next few weeks if they don't reach | 特朗普总统刚刚通知150个国家,如果达不到关税标准,其关税将在接下来的几周内提高。 |
| 17 | A trade deal with the u.s. How exactly will you decide what those new tariff rates will be will they be? | 和你们做交易 你将如何决定这些新的关税将是什么? |
| 18 | What was previously announced on April 2nd so-called Liberation Day and when will they actually go into effect? | 之前在4月2日所谓的解放日宣布什么,什么时候真正生效? |
| 19 | So Jake, we have a 90-day pause. | Jake 我们暂停90天 |
| 20 | There are 18 important trading partners probably another 20 | 还有18个重要贸易伙伴 可能还有20个 |
| 21 | strong relationships | 牢固的关系 |
| 22 | President Trump has put them on notice that if you do not negotiate in good faith that you will ratchet back up to your April | 川普总统提醒他们,如果你不诚意谈判, 你将回到4月。 |
| 23 | second level | 二级 |
| 24 | So the 90-day pause isn't just China's everybody | 所以90天的暂停不仅仅是中国的每个人 |
| 25 | Know that the night the 90-day pause was put on about a week the after April | 90天的暂停时间是4月后一周左右 |
| 26 | Oh that first 90-day first 90-day pause | 哦,第一个90天 第一次90天 暂停 |
| 27 | Yeah, and I can tell you that with a few exceptions | 是啊,我可以告诉你,除了一些例外 |
| 28 | The countries are coming with very good proposals for us and I look at these proposals and you know | 各国向我们提出了非常好的建议,我看看这些建议,你知道 |
| 29 | They want to lower their tariffs. | 他们想降低关税。 |
| 30 | They want to lower their non tariff barriers | 他们想降低他们的非关税壁垒 |
| 31 | Some of them have been manipulating their currency | 有些人一直在操纵他们的货币 |
| 32 | They've been subsidizing industry and labor and I look at these proposals and I think | 他们一直补贴工业和劳工 我看着这些提案,我想 |
| 33 | The these are excellent proposals, but I wonder how did we get here? | 这些都是很好的建议,但我不知道我们是如何来到这里的? |
| 34 | How did the previous administrations allow this to happen to the American people? | 前几届政府是如何允许美国人民发生这种情况的? |
| 35 | So 150 countries have been put on notice. | 因此,150个国家已接到通知。 |
| 36 | How many deals do you think you're going to be able to announce and how quickly? | 你觉得你能宣布多少个交易 以及多快? |
| 37 | Well, again, it will depend on whether they're negotiating in in good faith | 再说一遍,这要看他们是否真心诚意地谈判 |
| 38 | There are a lot of smaller trading | 有很多较小的交易 |
| 39 | Relationships that we can just come up with a number my other sense is that | 关系我们可以想出一个数字 我的另一个感觉是 |
| 40 | We will do a lot of regional deals. | 我们将做许多区域交易。 |
| 41 | This is the rate for | 这是费率 |
| 42 | Central America, this is the rate for this part of Africa | 中美洲,这是非洲的这个地区 |
| 43 | But what we are focused on right now are the 18 important trading relationships Walmart announced this week | 但我们现在所关注的 是18个重要的贸易关系 沃尔玛本周宣布 |
| 44 | It's going to have to raise prices on some goods and they blame Trump's tariffs, particularly the tariffs on China | 还要提高一些商品的价格 他们责怪特朗普的关税 尤其是中国的关税 |
| 45 | Here's the CEO take a listen | 总裁听好了 |
| 46 | We will do our best to keep our prices as low as possible | 我们将尽我们的最大努力 保持我们的价格尽可能低 |
| 47 | But given the magnitude of the tariffs even at the reduced levels announced this week | 但是,考虑到关税的幅度 即使是降低的水平 本周宣布 |
| 48 | We aren't able to absorb all the pressure given the reality of narrow retail margins | 我们无法承受所有的压力 因为零售额太小 |
| 49 | We're positioned to manage the cost pressure from tariffs as well or better than anyone | 我们有能力管理关税带来的成本压力 比任何人都好 |
| 50 | But even at the reduced levels the higher tariffs will result in higher prices | 但即使降低关税 也会提高价格 |
| 51 | So President Trump | 所以特朗普总统 |
| 52 | Went on truth social and says Walmart should eat the tariffs in other words | 说沃尔玛应该吃关税,换句话说 |
| 53 | dot pass on the prices to consumers | 点将价格传递给消费者 |
| 54 | doesn't that | 对不对 |
| 55 | inherently see serve as an acknowledgement that tariffs are | 从本质上看,关税是承认 |
| 56 | essentially a tax on consumers because | 主要是对消费者征税,因为 |
| 57 | Initially President Trump said well other kind, you know, that's not true countries pay for the tariffs | 川普总统最初说得好 其他类型的,你知道, 这不是真正的国家支付关税 |
| 58 | But here we have a perfect example | 但这里我们有一个完美的例子 |
| 59 | The countries the China's gets these tariffs | 中国的国度是这些关税 |
| 60 | And then Walmart has to raise its prices and consumers end up paying for them | 然后沃尔玛不得不提高价格 消费者最终会付出代价 |
| 61 | Well, Jake in essence what you're saying is you're saying taxes are inflationary | 好吧,Jake,从本质上来说,你是说 税收是通货膨胀。 |
| 62 | So let's pass the Trump tax cuts and that'll be disinflationary | 因此,让我们通过特朗普减税 这将是去通货膨胀 |
| 63 | If we continue that line of thinking I know that you can put me on as endorsing anything, but go ahead. | 如果我们继续这种想法,我知道你可以让我做任何赞成者,但请继续。 |
| 64 | Well, I | 那个,我... |
| 65 | Just keep everything consistent. | 只要保持一切的连贯性。 |
| 66 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 67 | Did speak to Doug McMillan who I have a very good relationship yesterday just to understand | 昨天我和Doug McMillan的关系很好 只是想了解 |
| 68 | What he had to say and you know understand that came from an earnings call | 他必须说的话 你知道这是从一个收入电话里得到的 |
| 69 | They are on an earnings call because of SEC requirements. | 由于证交会的要求,他们正面临收入问题。 |
| 70 | They have to give the most draconian case | 他们必须给出最严酷的案子 |
| 71 | So Walmart will be absorbing some of the tariffs some may get passed on to consumers | 所以沃尔玛会吸收一些关税 可能会让消费者知道 |
| 72 | But the other thing that's happening is that inflation is down | 但另外一件事是通货膨胀下降 |
| 73 | We had the first drop in inflation in four years under President Trump | 在特朗普总统领导下,四年来通货膨胀第一次下降 |
| 74 | The other thing that Doug mentioned to me is for his consumers for his buyers | 道格跟我说的另一件事是 为了他的消费者 为了他的买家 |
| 75 | The most important thing are gasoline prices and this administration has gotten gasoline prices down | 最重要的是汽油价格 本届政府降低了汽油价格 |
| 76 | service | 服务 |
| 77 | Prices are down. | 价格下降。 |
| 78 | So overall I would expect inflation to remain in line | 因此,总体而言,我预计通货膨胀将保持不变 |
| 79 | But I don't blame consumers there for being skittish after what happened to him four years under Biden | 但我不怪那里的消费者在拜登统治下四年后 |
| 80 | We had the worst inflation in 40 years. | 我们有过40年来最严重的通货膨胀。 |
| 81 | So ever since Liberation Day April 2nd | 4月2日解放日之后 |
| 82 | I have a weekday show called the lead and ever since then every day pretty much | 我有一个周日的节目叫主播 从那时起,每天都有 |
| 83 | We interview a small business owner | 我们采访了一个小业主 |
| 84 | Some of them are Trump supporters | 有些是特朗普的支持者 |
| 85 | Some of them are not some of them are tariff supporters | 有些不是关税支持者 |
| 86 | Some of them are not the one thing I hear from from almost every one of them is the uncertainty | 其中有些不是从我听来的 几乎每一个都是不确定的 |
| 87 | They don't know how to plan for the future because they have no idea | 他们不知道如何规划未来 因为他们不知道 |
| 88 | What's gonna come the other thing I hear is that their margins these are these are small small business their margins are so thin | 我听到的另外一件事是 他们的利润率是 这些小生意 |
| 89 | five to ten percent max and | 5%至10%最大, |
| 90 | They say that these tariffs are just taking away all of their profit margin | 他们说,这些关税 正在夺走所有利润率 |
| 91 | So I guess my question is what do you say to people concerned about the uncertainty? | 所以我想我的问题是 你对那些担心不确定性的人怎么说? |
| 92 | And what do you say to people who say small business owners who say we need relief? | 你对那些说我们需要救济的小企业主怎么说? |
| 93 | Because as much they say like I'd love to buy lithium batteries in the United States | 因为他们都说我想在美国买锂电池 |
| 94 | But you can't they're only available for small businesses from China. | 但不能只供中国的小企业使用. |
| 95 | Well a couple of things to unpack their jig | 来解开他们的夹子 |
| 96 | one is | 一个是 |
| 97 | that | 那个 |
| 98 | We didn't get her overnight in terms of this terrible trade situation | 我们没有在一夜之间得到她 对于这个可怕的贸易状况 |
| 99 | we have with China, but also with the rest of the world and | 我们有中国, 但也与世界其他国家, |
| 100 | President Trump is | 川普总统是 |
| 101 | Renegotiating these and it was strategic uncertainty | 重新谈判这些问题,这是战略上的不确定性 |
| 102 | The is a negotiating tactic | 这是一种谈判策略 |
| 103 | So if we were to give too much certainty to the other countries | 所以如果我们给其他国家太多把握 |
| 104 | Then they would play us in the negotiations | 然后他们会在谈判中耍我们 |
| 105 | I am confident that at the ends of these negotiations | 我相信,在这些谈判结束时, |
| 106 | Both the retailers the American people and the American workers will be better off that | 零售商、美国人民和美国工人都比 |
| 107 | what we saw | 我们所看到的 |
| 108 | With China China was the only country post April 2nd to escalate | 4月2日之后,中国是唯一升级的国家 |
| 109 | So both sides escalated we got to an untenable level. | 因此双方都升级到无法维持的水平。 |
| 110 | We were at a hundred and forty five percent | 我们只有百分之一百四十五 |
| 111 | they were at 125 and | 125岁时 |
| 112 | They we had a meeting in Geneva last weekend and both sides came down a hundred and fifteen percent | 上周末我们在日内瓦开会 双方都跌了百分之百一十五 |
| 113 | So the US is now at 30 the a ten percent | 所以美国现在只有百分之三十 |
| 114 | Reciprocal tariff that's on a pause and | 暂停的对等关税 |
| 115 | 20% fentanyl tariffs those were put on back in February. | 20%的芬太尼关税是2月份上市的 |
| 116 | So those are already in the system | 所以这些已经在系统里了 |
| 117 | So I think most of the small businesses you're talking to they were probably | 所以我觉得你跟他们谈的 大部分小生意可能都是 |
| 118 | They are referring to the very high triple-digit tariff levels, which have now been brought down | 它们指的是非常高的三位数的关税水平,现已降低。 |
| 119 | Yes, some of them were but there's also just this idea a lot of them saying look | 是的,有些是的,但也有这个想法 他们很多说看 |
| 120 | I support what President Trump wants to do | 我支持川普总统想做的事 |
| 121 | I support the idea of wanting to bring manufacturing back to the United States | 我支持把制造业带回美国的想法 |
| 122 | But it can't be done in in a month or three months or even a year that there's just an entire | 但不可能在一个月,三个月,甚至一年之内 完成,只有整个 |
| 123 | Infrastructure in this country that is lacking | 这个国家缺乏的基础设施 |
| 124 | They can't buy what they would love to but most of them as you know, if not, all of them are patriotic | 他们不能买他们喜欢的东西 但大部分都是爱国的 |
| 125 | They want to buy American goods, but a lot of this stuff just isn't made in America | 他们想买美国货 但很多东西不是美国制造的 |
| 126 | I mean | 我是说 |
| 127 | This is we could go into a long history about the hollowing out of the manufacturing base that is neither the fault of you me | 我们可以进入一个很长的历史 关于从制造基地空洞出来, 这不是你的错,我 |
| 128 | President Trump, but | 川普总统,但是 |
| 129 | It did it does exist and it will take years to make the manufacturing | 它确实存在 制造它需要几年的时间 |
| 130 | Infrastructure that these small businesses rely on well, Jake, I think what we're gonna see just like we saw with the UK trade deal | 这些小企业所依赖的基础设施,杰克 我想我们会看到的 就像我们所看到的英国贸易交易 |
| 131 | My sense is it's what we'll see with China. | 我的感觉是,这是我们将看到的与中国。 |
| 132 | We don't want to decouple with China and | 我们不想和中国脱钩 |
| 133 | President Trump actually wants to open up China for business. | 特朗普总统实际上想为商业开放中国. |
| 134 | So the manufacturing we want to bring back | 所以,我们想带回制造业 |
| 135 | We had during kovat we realized that we had some very strategic shortfalls whether it was medicines | 在科瓦特期间,我们意识到,我们有一些非常战略上的短缺,是否是药品 |
| 136 | semiconductors steel the other products | 半导体钢 其他产品 |
| 137 | So the long term the medium term goal is to bring back these strategic | 因此,从长远来看,中期目标是恢复这些战略目标。 |
| 138 | Industries as quickly as possible and I think we will continue trading with China | 工业越快,我想我们将继续与中国贸易 |
| 139 | the in the kinds of products that | 在产品种类中 |
| 140 | These small businesses are talking about at lower tariff levels | 这些小企业在谈论低关税水平 |
| 141 | Before you go you join President Trump on his Mideast trip and he said in defending | 在你走之前,你加入川普总统的中东部之行,他说要捍卫 |
| 142 | From criticism from both liberals and conservatives to accept this 400 million dollar luxury jet | 从自由派和保守派的批评 到接受这4亿美元的豪华喷气机 |
| 143 | As a gift from cutter to use for the duration of his presidency | 作为卡特在担任主席期间的礼物 |
| 144 | And then I believe for his presidential library Trump says he's giving it to him as a nice gesture | 然后我相信他的总统图书馆特朗普说 他把它当作一个很好的姿态 |
| 145 | You're a hard-nosed businessman | 你是一个难搞的商人 |
| 146 | Even if cutter isn't asking for anything in return now for the jet | 即使卡特现在没有要求什么 作为回报 |
| 147 | I mean, that's a bill that could come do nobody in the Middle East gives things just to or in any anywhere in the world | 我的意思是,这是一个法案来做 中东没有人给的东西 只是在世界任何地方或任何地方 |
| 148 | Just gives a 400 million dollar jet just to be nice | 只要给4亿的喷气机,就是为了好 |
| 149 | Well, I don't know Jake the French gave us a Statue of Liberty the British gave us a resolute desk | 我不知道法国人杰克给了我们一个自由女神像 英国人给了我们一个坚决的桌子 |
| 150 | I'm not sure they asked for anything in advance and the more important airplane deal was there's a hundred billion of orders from Qatari | 我不确定他们有没有事先要求 更重要的飞机交易是 卡塔尔有一千亿订单 |
| 151 | Airlines to Boeing | 飞往波音的航空公司 |
| 152 | Kelly Ortberg the CEO of Boeing was the with with us in the Middle East | Kelly Ortberg 波音的首席执行官 和我们一起在中东 |
| 153 | This is the biggest order in the country's hit in the company's history | 这是公司历史上全国最大的订单 |
| 154 | So, you know, I think that that plane deal is much more important than this other one | 所以,你知道,我认为,飞机交易 比这个其他交易更重要 |
| 155 | Well, I will just say about the Statue of Liberty | 好吧,我只说自由女神像 |
| 156 | I mean that was authorized by Congress and it's it belongs to the American people | 我是说那是国会授权的 属于美国人民 |
| 157 | It doesn't belong to whoever was president at the time. | 这不属于当时的总统 |
| 158 | Well, I think that this plane would be a gift to the American government | 我觉得这架飞机是送给美国政府的礼物 |
| 159 | All right, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson. | 好的 财政部长斯科特·贝松 |
| 160 | It's great to have you here. | 很高兴你能来 |
| 161 | Thank you so much for being here and welcome back | 非常感谢你来到这里 欢迎回来 |
| 162 | You probably need to go get some rest. | 你也许需要去休息一下。 |
| 163 | It's Sunday if you are does anybody in your position rest? | 今天是星期天,如果你有谁在休息吗? |
| 164 | I'm going to church after this. | 之后我会去教堂 |
| 165 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 166 | Good to see you. | 很高兴见到你。 |
| 167 | Thank you, sir | 谢谢,先生 |
| 168 | I'm going to church after this okay. Good to see you. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir, sir. I | 我等会再去教堂 很高兴见到你。 谢谢你,先生。 谢谢你,先生,先生。 一、导 言 |
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