前总统小布什和前国务卿赖斯追忆9·11 | 2026.9.1
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:10 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 0:12 | Do you think that was for Melissa or for you? | 你觉得是梅丽莎还是你? |
| 0:16 | Melissa. | 梅丽莎 |
| 0:19 | Let me start off by thanking Shiloh and the team here. | 首先让我感谢希洛和这里的团队 |
| 0:22 | I also want to thank Dan Cain, General Cain, for being here. | 我也要感谢丹·坎将军,坎将军的到来. |
| 0:26 | Thank God you are where you are, and we appreciate it. | 感谢上帝,你在哪里,我们很感激。 |
| 0:35 | JD, you forgot he was ambassador to Romania, but he was only there for about six months. | JD 你忘了他是驻罗马尼亚大使 但他只在那里待了六个月 |
| 0:40 | It wasn't because of lack of skill, it was because we had another job. | 不是因为缺乏技能 而是因为我们另有工作 |
| 0:43 | We needed him. | 我们需要他 |
| 0:44 | We needed him back. | 我们需要他回来。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 2 | Do you think that was for Melissa or for you? | 你觉得是梅丽莎还是你? |
| 3 | Melissa. | 梅丽莎 |
| 4 | Let me start off by thanking Shiloh and the team here. | 首先让我感谢希洛和这里的团队 |
| 5 | I also want to thank Dan Cain, General Cain, for being here. | 我也要感谢丹·坎将军,坎将军的到来. |
| 6 | Thank God you are where you are, and we appreciate it. | 感谢上帝,你在哪里,我们很感激。 |
| 7 | JD, you forgot he was ambassador to Romania, but he was only there for about six months. | JD 你忘了他是驻罗马尼亚大使 但他只在那里待了六个月 |
| 8 | It wasn't because of lack of skill, it was because we had another job. | 不是因为缺乏技能 而是因为我们另有工作 |
| 9 | We needed him. | 我们需要他 |
| 10 | We needed him back. | 我们需要他回来。 |
| 11 | And Jared Lyon, he's always been a beauty, and today he really shined. | 而贾里德·里昂,他一直是一个美人,今天他真的闪耀. |
| 12 | So it's great to see you again, buddy. | 很高兴再次见到你,伙计。 |
| 13 | Thank you for being here. | 谢谢你能来 |
| 14 | Connie, thanks for joining, and I love Melissa Stockwell. | 康妮 谢谢你的加入 我爱梅丽莎·斯托克威尔 |
| 15 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 16 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 17 | Are you the A-man or the Q-man? | 你是A型还是Q型? |
| 18 | I'm the person who's going to start us off. | 我才是开始我们的人 |
| 19 | You're the A-man, okay. | 你是一个男人,好吧。 |
| 20 | I'm the A-man, right. | 我是一个男人,对。 |
| 21 | So we all remember the moment when we heard, and I remember that my young assistant told me that a plane hit the World Trade Center. | 所以我们都记得我们听到的那一刻, 我记得我的年轻助手告诉我,一架飞机击中了世界贸易中心。 |
| 22 | I called you. | 我打电话给你。 |
| 23 | Yes, you did. | 是的,你这样做。 |
| 24 | You were in Florida, and we both initially thought it was an accident. | 你当时在佛罗里达州 我们起初都以为是意外 |
| 25 | Correct. | 没错 |
| 26 | Because how could this actually be happening? | 因为这怎么可能发生? |
| 27 | But then we talked a second time after we knew that a second plane had gone into the World Trade Center, and it was indeed a terrorist attack. | 但继我们知道第二架飞机进入世界贸易中心之后,我们又进行了第二次交谈,这确实是一次恐怖袭击。 |
| 28 | And I actually did something. | 我确实做了一些事情。 |
| 29 | I don't even know if you noticed. | 我都不知道你有没有注意到 |
| 30 | I did something I never would do again. | 我做了我再也不会做的事 |
| 31 | I raised my voice to you because you said, I'm coming back. | 我向你高举我的声音 因为你说,我回来了。 |
| 32 | And I said, stay where you are. | 我说,不要动 |
| 33 | The United States of America is under attack. | 美利坚合众国受到攻击。 |
| 34 | It's not safe here. | 这里不安全 |
| 35 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 36 | And that was the first time that I articulated to myself that the country was under attack. | 这是我第一次向自己表明这个国家正遭受攻击。 |
| 37 | How did you process those first moments once you actually knew that the United States was under attack? | 一旦你真正知道美国受到攻击,你是如何处理这些最初时刻的? |
| 38 | What was your mindset? | 你的心态是什么? |
| 39 | What were you thinking? | 你在想什麽? |
| 40 | Well, first of all, I was in a classroom listening to a little child read. | 首先,我在教室里听一个小孩读的 |
| 41 | And Andy Carr whispered in my ear, I knew the first plane hit the tower like you. | Andy Carr在我耳边低声说 我知道第一架飞机像你一样撞到塔楼 |
| 42 | I thought it was an accident. | 我以为是意外 |
| 43 | And the second plane has hit a tower, and America is now under attack. | 第二架飞机击中了一座塔,美国现在受到攻击。 |
| 44 | I didn't have much time to process that, but it was pretty clear to me that if we were under attack, | 我没有太多时间去处理这件事 但是很明显 如果我们受到攻击 |
| 45 | then my job was to defend the child that was reading to me and her family and her country. | 然后,我的工作是保护这个孩子 正在读给我和她的家人和她的国家。 |
| 46 | And so it was a moment of clarity. | 於是一时清净. |
| 47 | It was, I knew we had to gather evidence and gather the facts, but I assumed we were under attack. | 我知道我们必须收集证据 收集事实 但我想我们受到了攻击 |
| 48 | And, you know, life's interesting because things happen to you that you don't want to have happen to you. | 而且,你知道,生活很有趣 因为事情发生在你身上 你不希望发生在你身上。 |
| 49 | And the challenge of life is how do you deal with it when it happens? | 生命的挑战在于 当它发生时你如何处理它? |
| 50 | And in this case, as Dan Cain mentioned, I became a wartime president. | 而在这种情况下,正如丹·凯恩提到的,我成为一名战时总统. |
| 51 | There's no doubt in my mind that this was not a law enforcement event. | 我毫不怀疑这不是执法活动 |
| 52 | This was a war. | 这是一场战争 |
| 53 | And that the job of the president and the country and his team is to rally the nation to do what's necessary to protect our people. | 而总统,国家和他的团队的工作,就是团结全国,做保护我们人民的必要的事. |
| 54 | But you had a kind of long journey home. | 但你有 一种长途旅行回家。 |
| 55 | Thanks to you. | 谢谢你 |
| 56 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 57 | Well, we didn't want you to come back prematurely, but you were, let's see, you were in Louisiana, | 好吧,我们不希望你回来 过早,但你,让我们来看看, 你在路易斯安那州, |
| 58 | and you were in all kinds of places trying to get to a safe location. | 你在各种各样的地方 试图得到一个安全的地方。 |
| 59 | And some people say there was a little frustration in your voice. | 有人说你的声音有点沮丧 |
| 60 | Yeah, it was hot, yeah. | 是啊,这是热的,是啊。 |
| 61 | I mean, if you're a wartime president, you need to be in command in the nation's capital. | 我的意思是,如果你是一位战时总统, 你需要在国家首都指挥。 |
| 62 | So yeah, you people there in Washington. | 对,你们华盛顿的人 |
| 63 | Anyway, I ended up in Omaha, Nebraska. | 总之,我最终去了内布拉斯加州的奥马哈. |
| 64 | Nothing wrong with that. | 这没什么错 |
| 65 | But it was, we had a, I remember we had a civets call. | 但是,我们有一个, 我记得我们有一个civets电话。 |
| 66 | And the national security team was there. | 国家安全队也在场 |
| 67 | And somebody said, you got to give a speech to the nation. | 有人说 你得向全国发表演讲 |
| 68 | And I said, you're right, I do. | 我说,你说的对,我做的。 |
| 69 | But I'm damn sure not going to give it from a bunker in Omaha, Nebraska. | 但我肯定不会从内布拉斯加州奥马哈的地堡里得到 |
| 70 | You know, I thought that would be a psychological victory for those who attacked us. | 你知道,我认为这将是 一个心理胜利 那些攻击我们的人。 |
| 71 | And so I flew back. | 所以我飞回来。 |
| 72 | You flew back, and you arrived on the White House lawn, the South Lawn. | 你飞回来,你到达白宫草坪,南草坪。 |
| 73 | And do you know the first thing you said to me? | 你知道你对我说什么吗? |
| 74 | No. | 没有 |
| 75 | Where's Laura? | 劳拉呢? |
| 76 | Okay, yeah, well that's good. | 好吧,是的,这很好。 |
| 77 | Thank you for saying that. | 谢谢你这么说 |
| 78 | Yeah, of course I remember that. | 是的,我当然记得。 |
| 79 | Because actually, Mrs. Bush was at the Capitol when this happened. | 因为事实上,布希夫人在国会大厦的时候 |
| 80 | And you, and I said she's here, and you went and you had your moment with her. | 而你,我说她在这里, 而你去,你有你的时间与她。 |
| 81 | We're not going to ask any more about that. | 我们不会再问了 |
| 82 | But that really, the sense of family, it really, really stuck with me that that was the very first thing that you thought. | 但是,这真的,家庭的感觉, 它真的,真的, 坚持在我身上,这是你认为的第一件事。 |
| 83 | I do want to say one thing to General Kaine, because something in what you said, our paths crossed in a strange way. | 我确实想对凯恩将军说一件事, 因为在你所说的,我们的道路以奇怪的方式跨越。 |
| 84 | So you mentioned that you heard that the president, you have to understand the hard decisions that this man had to make. | 所以,你提到你听说总统, 你必须理解 艰难的决定,这个人必须做出。 |
| 85 | Just like that. | 就是这样 |
| 86 | And one of them was what would happen if a plane was not properly identifying itself because every plane had become a missile. | 其中之一就是如果一架飞机没有正确识别自己, 因为每架飞机都变成了导弹, 会发生什么。 |
| 87 | And so we were trying to land. | 所以我们试图降落。 |
| 88 | I remember Norm Mineta, the transportation secretary, trying to land planes on a legal pad, yellow plan, legal plan. | 我记得诺姆·米纳塔,运输秘书, 试图降落的飞机 一个法律垫,黄色计划,法律计划。 |
| 89 | But you'd given the order through the vice president that should a plane not squawk properly, it should be shut down. | 但你通过副总统下达了命令 如果飞机不震动,就应该关闭 |
| 90 | General Kaine, we thought initially, standing in that bunker, that that Flight 93 had been shot down by the Americans. | Kaine将军 我们最初以为 站在那个地堡里 93号航班被美国人击落了 |
| 91 | Yeah, I thought the same thing. | 是的,我也是这么想的 |
| 92 | And there was this horrible moment where the vice president kept trying to get confirmation as to what had happened. | 有个可怕的时刻 副总统一直试图确认发生了什么 |
| 93 | And for about 10 minutes we thought we'd shot down a civilian aircraft. | 十分钟前我们以为会击落一架民用飞机 |
| 94 | And that always, to me, represented just how hard the decisions were that you had to take under a lot of pressure. | 对我来说,这始终代表着 你不得不在很大压力下做出的决定是多么艰难。 |
| 95 | You know, I got back to the White House. | 你知道,我回到白宫。 |
| 96 | I did find Laura. | 我确实找到劳拉了 |
| 97 | I gave the speech and was upstairs asleep. | 我做了演讲,在楼上睡觉。 |
| 98 | And the Secret Service guy came charging into the bedroom and said, we've got to go. | 特勤局的人跑进卧室 说我们得走了 |
| 99 | We're under attack. | 我们受到了攻击。 |
| 100 | 我说,OK。 | |
| 101 | 我抓住Barney了 我抓住了Barney 我抓住了Barney | |
| 102 | Always Barney. | 总是巴尼。 |
| 103 | Laura's robe. | 劳拉的长袍 |
| 104 | And I go down to the bowels of the White House and a young airman standing there said, oh, don't worry, sir. | 我走到白宫的肠子 和一位年轻的飞行员站在那里说,哦,不用担心,先生。 |
| 105 | It's one of ours. | 这是我们的 |
| 106 | So Dan Cain was flying back to Andrews Air Force Base, but he had the wrong transponder signal on. | Dan Cain正飞回安德鲁斯空军基地 但他的转发器信号错误 |
| 107 | And the whole mechanism said final attack. | 整个机制都说最后攻击 |
| 108 | Anyway, thank you, Dan. | 总之,谢谢你,丹 |
| 109 | But then we got down there and the Secret Service told you that you should stay there. | 但我们到了那里 特勤局告诉你,你应该呆在那里。 |
| 110 | Yeah, I know it. | 是的,我知道这一点。 |
| 111 | Harry Truman bought the bed. | 哈利·杜鲁门买了床 |
| 112 | It was a sofa bed that had not been opened since the Cuban Missile Crisis. | 这是自古巴导弹危机以来从未开过的沙发床。 |
| 113 | So he decided not to stay. | 所以他决定不留下来了 |
| 114 | It was a weird day. | 这是一个奇怪的一天。 |
| 115 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 116 | But I want to talk about we talk a lot about September 11. | 但我想谈谈我们经常谈论9月11日 |
| 117 | Indeed, that was a searing experience, a lot of uncertainty is what was going on, a lot of sadness. | 的确,这是一个令人触目惊心的经历,许多不确定性是正在发生的,很多悲伤。 |
| 118 | But September 12. | 但九月十二号 |
| 119 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 120 | Talk about waking up on September 12. | 谈论9月12日醒来. |
| 121 | I don't think any of us got very much sleep that night, but we got up early. | 那晚我们谁都睡不着 但我们早起 |
| 122 | I got up, by the way, to a phone call from Nick Burns, who was our ambassador to NATO. | 顺便说一句 我接到尼克·伯恩斯的电话 他是我们的驻北约大使 |
| 123 | Right. | 对 |
| 124 | And these days when we have our questions about NATO and about our allies, what Nick said to me is the allies have decided to vote Article 5. | 现在,当我们对北约和我们的盟友有疑问时,尼克对我说,盟国决定投票支持第五条。 |
| 125 | An attack upon one is an attack upon all. | 攻击一个人就是攻击所有人。 |
| 126 | We had always assumed that Article 5 would be used in the defense of Europe by the United States. | 我们一直认为,美国将利用第5条保卫欧洲。 |
| 127 | Right. | 对 |
| 128 | And the only time it has actually been used was in our defense. | 而唯一一次它被实际使用 是在我们的防御。 |
| 129 | So that was my mourning memory. | 那是我的哀悼记忆 |
| 130 | What about yours? | 你的怎么办? |
| 131 | Well, my mourning memory was all these world leaders calling in, starting with Koizumi, the Japanese prime minister. | 嗯,我的哀悼记忆是所有这些世界领导人 打电话来,从小泉,日本首相开始。 |
| 132 | It was an ironic phone call since our fathers fought each other. | 那是个讽刺的电话 自从我们的父亲吵架以来 |
| 133 | And this guy's calling to tell me that we're going to stand in mutual defense of our countries and defend our freedoms. | 这个家伙打电话告诉我,我们将共同捍卫我们的国家,捍卫我们的自由。 |
| 134 | But yeah, no, it was step one is to find out who did it. | 但是,是的,不,这是第一步 是找出是谁干的。 |
| 135 | It became pretty clear pretty early. | 它变得相当清楚 相当早。 |
| 136 | Unfortunately, we had leaks in our administration at the time. | 不幸的是,我们当时的政府有泄密。 |
| 137 | And somebody told the New York Times or somebody that it's easy to know who did it because they were talking on Thorio phones, which is easy to listen to. | 有人告诉《纽约时报》 或者有人,很容易知道是谁干的, 因为他们在索里奥电话上说话, 这很容易听。 |
| 138 | And all of a sudden the next day they were not talking on Thorio phones. | 第二天他们突然不在索里奥电话里说话 |
| 139 | But it was we discovered who it was. | 但我们发现了是谁 |
| 140 | And but my main concern was as comforter in chief, because I had a sense that there are a lot of trauma. | 但我主要关心的是 作为总的安慰者, 因为我有感知 有很多创伤。 |
| 141 | You know, obviously, with the families of 9 11, I hadn't had a chance to go there yet. | 你知道,很明显,与911的家人, 我还没有机会去那里。 |
| 142 | I knew it was bad. | 我知道这是不好的。 |
| 143 | I just didn't realize how bad till I went there. | 我只是没有意识到有多糟糕 直到我去那里。 |
| 144 | But, you know, how does one help America have the confidence that we can go forward as a nation? | 但是,你知道,如何帮助美国 有信心,我们可以作为一个国家前进? |
| 145 | And, you know, during that period of time, the banks were closed, airplanes weren't flying, people weren't going to stores. | 在那段时间里,银行关门了,飞机不飞,人们不会去商店。 |
| 146 | I mean, it was the economy was totally shut down. | 我的意思是,这是经济完全关闭。 |
| 147 | And so we planned at our cabinet meeting to how do we get this going again? | 所以我们在内阁会议上计划 如何让这件事再次发生? |
| 148 | And that's the thing I remember most about that next morning in the cabinet meeting was you kept saying, I want the country to get back to normal. | 我最记得的是 第二天早上在内阁会议上 你一直说,我希望国家恢复正常。 |
| 149 | How can I get Americans back to normal? | 我怎么才能让美国人恢复正常? |
| 150 | Because if we don't get back to normal, the terrorists would have won. | 因为如果我们不恢复正常 恐怖分子就会赢 |
| 151 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 152 | And so you were very focused on with the Treasury Secretary, how do we get the banks open again? | 所以,你非常关注 与财政部长, 我们如何使银行再次开放? |
| 153 | With transportation, how do we get people to fly again? | 随着交通,我们如何让人们再次飞行? |
| 154 | We came up with some unusual ideas, like maybe people would fly again if we put police dogs in the airports. | 我们想出了一些不同寻常的想法, 也许人们会再次飞 如果我们把警犬在机场。 |
| 155 | Not a great idea, by the way. | 顺便说一句,不是一个好主意。 |
| 156 | That wasn't my idea. | 这不是我的主意。 |
| 157 | But we were just trying to do something to get people back to normal. | 但我们只是想做点什么 让人们恢复正常。 |
| 158 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 159 | Why was that so important? | 为什么这么重要? |
| 160 | Well, because I didn't want us to lose our soul. | 因为我不想我们失去灵魂 |
| 161 | I wanted, as we defended our freedoms, I wanted people to remember how precious they are. | 我想,当我们捍卫我们的自由时, 我希望人们记住他们是多么珍贵。 |
| 162 | So one of the things that I did, and I think you were very much involved in this decision shortly thereafter, was to go to a mosque. | 因此,我所做的一件事, 我想你在不久之后就参与了这个决定, 就是去一座清真寺。 |
| 163 | And I did so because I was deeply concerned about stories of women of cover being harassed at shopping centers, particularly in Michigan. | 我这样做是因为我对一些故事深感忧虑 有关那些有掩护的妇女 在购物中心受到骚扰,特别是在密歇根州。 |
| 164 | And it became clear to me that if this is an ideological struggle, which is what I viewed it as, | 我很清楚 如果这是一场意识形态斗争 那就是我所认为的 |
| 165 | and we forego one of the most important parts of our ideology, which is the freedom to worship the way you want to worship, | 我们放弃了我们思想中最重要的部分之一, 即自由崇拜你想要崇拜的方式, |
| 166 | all of a sudden the enemy has won a victory. | 突然间敌人取得了胜利 |
| 167 | And so that was part of my thinking. | 所以这就是我的想法的一部分。 |
| 168 | And Laura and I did a lot of, you know, we went and saw people who got hurt at the Pentagon. | 劳拉和我做了很多,你知道的,我们去 看到在五角大楼受伤的人。 |
| 169 | We went to hospitals. | 我们去了医院。 |
| 170 | We did the very best we could to try to let people know that we cared about them. | 我们尽力让人们知道 我们关心他们 |
| 171 | I want you to talk about a couple of those events. | 我要你谈谈这些事情 |
| 172 | You talked about going to the Islamic Center and trying to make sure that our Muslim American citizens knew that we didn't blame them for what had happened. | 你谈到去伊斯兰中心 并试图确保 我们的美国穆斯林公民知道 我们没有怪他们 发生了什么事。 |
| 173 | And it also made it clear that Islam was a religion of peace, not a religion of war, and that these people subverted their religion. | 并明确指出伊斯兰教是和平的宗教,不是战争的宗教,这些人颠覆了他们的宗教. |
| 174 | Yes. | 对 |
| 175 | So a second kind of vignette, a Polaroid, as the General will call it. | 所以,第二种葡萄酒, 一个Polaroid, 将军会称之为它。 |
| 176 | Although, General, I have to say, if you think people don't know what a fax is, I'm pretty sure they don't know what a Polaroid is either. | 虽然,将军,我不得不说,如果你认为人们不知道什么是传真,我敢肯定,他们也不知道什么是Polaroid。 |
| 177 | I'm not going to use that with my freshman at Stanford, but let me use it with you. | 我不会用它与我的新生 在斯坦福,但让我用它与你。 |
| 178 | Let me go to one of those Polaroids. | 让我去看其中的一个极地。 |
| 179 | Aren't you glad you came? | 你不高兴吗? |
| 180 | I'm going to go to two. | '二. |
| 181 | One is, so we went out to the Pentagon and walked among the first responders, and they'd been up for 36 hours working constantly. | 第一,我们去了五角大楼, 走在第一反应者中间, 他们一直工作36小时。 |
| 182 | What did that do for you? | 这对你有什么好处? |
| 183 | How did you feel with them? | 你对他们有什么感觉? |
| 184 | Well, as you know, I'm not much of a touchy-feely guy. | 嗯,你知道,我不是一个多 触摸感人的家伙。 |
| 185 | You know, I wasn't surprised, because like General Keynes said, when America's in trouble, Americans respond. | 你知道,我不惊讶, 因为像凯恩斯将军说, 当美国有麻烦, 美国人的反应。 |
| 186 | And I got to see it firsthand. | 我要亲眼看看 |
| 187 | It's an amazing country. | 其国甚奇. |
| 188 | And I remember seeing the recruitment numbers, or the volunteer numbers. | 我记得我看到招聘人数 或志愿者人数。 |
| 189 | I mean, it was unbelievable how many people joined our military, like flooding the military with people saying, I want to serve. | 我的意思是,这是令人难以置信的,有多少人加入我们的军队, 就像淹没军队的人说,我想服务。 |
| 190 | It was a remarkable moment. | 这是一个非凡的时刻。 |
| 191 | And as Dan said, it's deep in our core. | 正如丹所说,它深入我们的核心。 |
| 192 | And I believe that going in, I saw it firsthand. | 我相信进入,我亲眼看到它。 |
| 193 | And so, yeah, the firefighters were tired. | 所以,是的,消防员都累了。 |
| 194 | It's like going to ground zero, seeing the firefighters and policemen. | 这就像去地面0, 看到消防员和警察。 |
| 195 | It's just unbelievable what they did. | 简直不敢相信他们做了什么 |
| 196 | The sad thing is a third of our nation has no clue what we're talking about. | 可悲的是,我们国家有三分之一的人不知道我们在说什么。 |
| 197 | They never witnessed the sacrifice and the courage and the dedication to serve a neighbor in need. | 他们从未目睹为需要帮助的邻居服务的牺牲、勇气和献身精神。 |
| 198 | We'll come back to that toward the end. | 我们会回到最后。 |
| 199 | But I want to go to one other vignette, the Friday service. | 但我想去另一家夜店 周五的礼拜 |
| 200 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 201 | And so we had a cabinet, a monk here among some of your best friends, we can tell the story. | 我们有一个柜子,一个僧侣在这里 你的一些最好的朋友,我们可以讲述这个故事。 |
| 202 | That morning, we had a cabinet meeting. | 那天早上,我们举行了一次内阁会议。 |
| 203 | And you want to tell the story? | 你想讲故事吗? |
| 204 | No, you tell it, because I'm getting 80 years old. | 不,你告诉我, 因为我要80岁了。 |
| 205 | So we're sitting in the cabinet meeting. | 所以,我们坐 内阁会议。 |
| 206 | The president is going to give the, it almost feels like a homily, at the church that day. | 总统会给, 它几乎感觉像一个荣誉, 在教堂的那一天。 |
| 207 | And we were going around, and all of a sudden, you became really emotional. | 我们四处走动,突然间,你变得很情绪化。 |
| 208 | And Colin Powell, who was sitting next to him, put his hand on you, and he said, | 还有科林 坐在他旁边的鲍威尔把手放在你身上 他说 |
| 209 | it's all right to do it here. | 在这里做它的所有权利。 |
| 210 | But in his voice was a little bit, but don't do it in front of the whole country. | 但是在他的声音中,有一点,但是不要在全国面前做. |
| 211 | Exactly, yeah. | 没错 |
| 212 | And so you did. | 所以,你这样做。 |
| 213 | You got there to the church, and this great soprano did the Lord's Prayer. | 你到了教堂,这位女高音做了主祷告. |
| 214 | I couldn't keep a dry eye. | 我不能保持一个干的眼睛。 |
| 215 | How in the world did you get up and then deliver the remarks? | 你是怎么站起来然后发表言论的? |
| 216 | First of all, I didn't look at my mother and father. | 首先,我没有看我的父母。 |
| 217 | I stared straight ahead at this fantastic window at the National Cathedral. | 我直视着国家大教堂的这个奇妙的窗户 |
| 218 | Yeah, it was a tough speech to give. | 是啊,这是一个艰难的演讲。 |
| 219 | I mean, there's a lot of emotion in that room. | 我的意思是,有很多 情绪在房间里。 |
| 220 | But Colin was right. | 但科林是对的。 |
| 221 | The nation didn't need a blubbering president. | 国家不需要一个大哭的总统 |
| 222 | The nation needed someone to show some strength, and I gave it my best shot. | 国家需要有人表现出力量,我尽我所能。 |
| 223 | It was, yeah, it was a memorable moment. | 这是,是的, 这是一个难忘的时刻。 |
| 224 | It was a memorable moment. | 这是一个难忘的时刻。 |
| 225 | One other memorable moment, and then I'm going to come to the next chapter | 另一个难忘的时刻, 然后我将来到下一章 |
| 226 | of the Bush Doctrine. | 布什理论。 |
| 227 | Another memorable moment was that baseball game. | 另一个难忘的时刻是棒球赛。 |
| 228 | Yeah, you were there. | 是的,你在场。 |
| 229 | I was there. | 我当时在场。 |
| 230 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 231 | 我猜Derek Jeter告诉你不要反弹 | |
| 232 | Is that true? | 是吗? |
| 233 | Yeah, he said, don't bounce it, they'll boo you. | 是啊,他说,不要反弹, 他们会嘘你。 |
| 234 | And so I go out on the mound, and that's all I'm thinking about, | 所以我就走在山丘上 这正是我想的 |
| 235 | don't bounce it, they'll boo you. | 别反弹,他们会嘘你 |
| 236 | I mean, it was an amazing feeling. | 我的意思是,这是一个惊人的感觉。 |
| 237 | I mean, New York City was just beginning to recover, | 我的意思是,纽约市刚刚开始恢复, |
| 238 | and the emotions were still very raw, and you could sense it in the stadium. | 情绪还很原始,你可以在体育场里感觉到。 |
| 239 | And I looked at the catcher, he looked really tiny, | 我看着捕手,他看起来很小 |
| 240 | and the ball felt really heavy. | 球感觉很重 |
| 241 | And, you know, I flung it, it went over. | 而且,你知道,我扔它, 它结束了。 |
| 242 | And my last memory of the presidency will be Yankee Stadium's reaction. | 我对总统任期的最后回忆将是洋基体育场的反应. |
| 243 | It was like the city, the people in that stadium were saying, | 就像那个城市 体育场里的人说 |
| 244 | you can knock down our buildings, but you damn sure not going to touch our soul. | 你可以打倒我们的建筑 但你肯定不会碰我们的灵魂 |
| 245 | And it was a memorable moment. | 这是一个难忘的时刻。 |
| 246 | It was a memorable moment. | 这是一个难忘的时刻。 |
| 247 | I actually remember sitting there and thinking, | 我其实记得坐在那里 想, |
| 248 | the American people need their president to throw a strike. | 美国人民需要他们的总统发动罢工。 |
| 249 | Yeah, well. | 没错 |
| 250 | 你确实做了 And you did. | |
| 251 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 252 | 你确实做了 And you did. | |
| 253 | It went over, yeah. | 它结束了,是的。 |
| 254 | Nice. | 不错 |
| 255 | I caught it barehanded, but nevertheless. | 我赤手空拳抓住了它 但不管怎样 |
| 256 | I want to go to another part of being president in those days. | 我想在那些日子去做总统的另一部分。 |
| 257 | Everybody thinks about what happened on 9-11, | 每个人都在想911事件 |
| 258 | thinks about the war in Afghanistan, of course. | 想想阿富汗的战争,当然。 |
| 259 | But there was another part of this, | 但还有另一个部分 |
| 260 | which was that we weren't so sure that this was the last attack. | 我们不确定这是最后一次攻击 |
| 261 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 262 | The fear of the follow-on attack. | 后袭之惧. |
| 263 | So every day after September 11 feels like September 12. | 因此,9月11日之后的每一天都感觉像9月12日. |
| 264 | On the day after the attack, we're sitting in the Oval Office. | 在袭击后的第二天,我们坐到了奥瓦尔办公室. |
| 265 | And because the FBI and the CIA had not really been able to talk to each other | 因为联邦调查局和中情局 一直无法互相交谈 |
| 266 | because of civil liberties and the like, | 因为公民自由等等, |
| 267 | for the first time we had to forge intelligence between them | 我们第一次不得不在他们之间造就情报 |
| 268 | by having Bob Mueller and George Tenet come into the Oval Office every morning | 每天早上让鲍勃·穆勒和乔治·特尼特 来到奥瓦尔办公室 |
| 269 | and show the president what they saw in the threat matrix. | 向总统展示他们在威胁矩阵中看到的 |
| 270 | A threat matrix that had been this big on September 10 | 一个9月10日这么大的威胁矩阵 |
| 271 | was like a phone book on September 12. | 就像9月12日的电话簿 |
| 272 | Yeah, there are a lot of threats coming in. | 是啊,有很多威胁进来。 |
| 273 | A lot of threats coming in. | 很多威胁都来了 |
| 274 | Tell us about that, how you were thinking about the fall. | 告诉我们,你是如何想秋天。 |
| 275 | And we had some real near misses. | 我们差一点就错过了 |
| 276 | Yeah, we sure did. | 是的,我们确实做到了。 |
| 277 | Well, my view was that we needed to go on the offense, | 我认为我们得继续犯罪 |
| 278 | that we couldn't hope that there went another attack, | 我们无法指望再发生攻击, |
| 279 | that we needed to chase down those who would do us harm | 我们需要追捕那些会伤害我们的人 |
| 280 | and bring them to justice. | 然后将他们绳之以法。 |
| 281 | And that was the whole planning that you led with the Pentagon. | 这就是你和五角大楼一起策划的 |
| 282 | But at the time, we weren't on the offensive, | 但当时我们不是在进攻 |
| 283 | and therefore the only thing you could do is just hope that the intelligence was wrong. | 因此你唯一能做的 就是希望情报是错误的 |
| 284 | But there were a lot of threats, a lot. | 但有很多威胁,很多威胁 |
| 285 | I remember the anthrax attacks hit, and that scared a lot of people. | 我还记得炭疽袭击, 吓坏了很多人。 |
| 286 | There was a Malaysian plot. | 当时有一个马来西亚的阴谋. |
| 287 | There was all kinds of stuff. | 有各种各样的东西。 |
| 288 | Yeah, there was a smallpox threat. | 是啊,有一个天花威胁。 |
| 289 | Yeah, smallpox, right. | 对,天花,对 |
| 290 | And that's one that I will never forget, because you had the CDC to come in. | 那是我永远不会忘记的 因为你有疾控中心 |
| 291 | We had not vaccinated against smallpox since the 1950s. | 自1950年代以来,我们没有接种过天花疫苗。 |
| 292 | 疾控中心主任Julie Gerbending对总统说: | |
| 293 | if you try to vaccinate the whole country, | 如果你试图接种 整个国家, |
| 294 | 5% of the population will have an adverse reaction. | 5%的人口会有不良反应. |
| 295 | And you said, what is an adverse reaction? | 你说什么是不良反应? |
| 296 | And she said, they'll die. | 她说他们会死的 |
| 297 | I'm saying this because I think you don't understand, | 我这么说是因为我觉得你不明白 |
| 298 | people now don't understand the heaviness of the days after 9-11 | 现在人们不理解 9 -11后的日子的沉重 |
| 299 | in trying to protect the country. | 为了保护国家 |
| 300 | But you want to tell them about the botulinum toxin? | 但是,你想告诉他们 关于肉毒杆菌毒素? |
| 301 | Yeah, I mean, you tell it. | 是啊,我的意思是,你告诉它。 |
| 302 | There was all kinds of stuff going on. | 发生了各种各样的事情。 |
| 303 | And of course, a lot of it was new. | 当然,很多是新的。 |
| 304 | So if you look back, you say we overreacted. | 如果你回头看 你说我们反应过度了 |
| 305 | But at the time, I don't think we overreacted. | 但当时,我不认为我们反应过度。 |
| 306 | We were very wise about how we dealt with these threats that were coming. | 我们非常明智地对待即将到来的这些威胁。 |
| 307 | I don't exactly remember. | 我不记得了 |
| 308 | I can't even spell botulism toxin. | 我甚至不能拼写肉毒杆菌毒素。 |
| 309 | Well, this is the one when we were in China. | 这是我们来中国的时候的一次 |
| 310 | And so we would have, we had now invaded Afghanistan, | 因此,我们本可以, 我们现在入侵阿富汗, |
| 311 | but we were in Shanghai for the Asia-Pacific Economic Council. | 但我们是在上海参加亚太经济委员会的 |
| 312 | And every morning, the president, Colin Powell, Andy Card, | 每天早上 总统科林·鲍威尔 安迪·卡德 |
| 313 | and I would have a video conference with the vice president and Steve Hadley, | 我会和副总统和史蒂夫·哈德利举行电视会议 |
| 314 | the deputy in Washington. | 华盛顿的副手 |
| 315 | This particular morning, the vice president came on and he was just gray. | 今天早上,副总统来了 他只是灰色。 |
| 316 | He looked awful. | 他看起来很糟糕。 |
| 317 | And the president said, Dick, what's wrong? | 总统说,迪克,怎么了? |
| 318 | And the vice president said, Mr. President, | 副总统说,总统先生, |
| 319 | the White House detectors have detected botulinum toxin. | 白宫的探测器发现了肉毒杆菌毒素 |
| 320 | There is no known antidote and we are going to die. | 没有已知的解药,我们就要死了。 |
| 321 | And at that point, you asked me to go call Steve Hadley because this was serious. | 那时,你让我打电话给史蒂夫・哈德利 因为这是严重的。 |
| 322 | And Steve Hadley, you have to understand, had a kind of Midwestern sense of humor. | 而史蒂夫・哈德利,你必须明白, 有一种中西部的幽默感。 |
| 323 | And he said, we've sent the samples to the CDC. | 他说 我们已经把样本送到疾控中心了 |
| 324 | If the mice are feet up, we are toast. | 如果老鼠是脚,我们是土司。 |
| 325 | If the mice are feet down, we're fine. | 如果老鼠是脚下,我们没事。 |
| 326 | The next day, you were with Jiang Zemin at a lunch and I got a call from Hadley | 第二天 你和江泽民一起吃午饭 我接到哈德利的电话 |
| 327 | and Hadley said, thank God the mice are feet down. | 哈德利说 谢天谢地 老鼠都倒下了 |
| 328 | It was a false alarm. | 这是一个假警报。 |
| 329 | And I went by and I said to the president, thank God the mice are feet down, | 我走过去对总统说 谢天谢地 老鼠都倒下了 |
| 330 | at which point they translated it for the Chinese. | 这时他们为中国人翻译了它。 |
| 331 | And I'm quite sure Jiang Zemin wondered what code were we talking in. | 我敢肯定,江泽民想知道我们在谈论什么代码。 |
| 332 | So there was sometimes these things that you look back on now | 所以有时候你回头看这些东西 |
| 333 | and you think, how could that have happened? | 你觉得这怎么可能发生? |
| 334 | But we did manage to avoid another attack. | 但我们确实设法避免了另一起袭击。 |
| 335 | Yeah, that was the mission. | 是啊,这就是任务。 |
| 336 | And thanks to a lot of really good people and some smart people, | 多亏了很多好人和一些聪明人 |
| 337 | there wasn't another attack. | 没有再次袭击。 |
| 338 | I want to talk about the other... | 我想谈谈另一个... |
| 339 | One reason why is we went on the offense. | 原因之一是我们犯了罪 |
| 340 | And we just weren't going to sit back and let it happen again. | 我们只是不想坐视不管 让它再次发生 |
| 341 | I want to go on to the other part of the Bush Doctrine. | 我想谈谈布什理论的另一部分。 |
| 342 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 343 | Because another piece and sort of my Polaroids | 因为另一块和我的极光片 |
| 344 | and my vignettes with the president are, | 我和总统的婚纱是 |
| 345 | we're going to get the American people back to normal. | 我们要让美国人民恢复正常 |
| 346 | We're going on the offense because we're not going to sit here | 我们要去犯案,因为我们不会坐在这里 |
| 347 | and allow another attack to take place. | 并允许再次发动攻击。 |
| 348 | We're going to remember who we are with the Muslim women and the like. | 我们要记住我们跟穆斯林女人在一起的是谁 |
| 349 | And I can't let the American people be fearful. | 我不能让美国人民害怕 |
| 350 | I'm going to take that on myself. | 我将承担我自己。 |
| 351 | I remember all of that. | 我记得这一切。 |
| 352 | But then there was something of a leap, | 但后来发生了一跳 |
| 353 | which was we also have to stand for something. | 也就是说,我们也必须为某些东西而奋斗。 |
| 354 | We can't just say that the men who attacked us | 我们不能说袭击我们的人 |
| 355 | stood for something as perverted as it was. | 支持一个变态的东西 |
| 356 | We have to stand for something. | 我们必须为某些东西而站立。 |
| 357 | And that became what became known as the freedom agenda. | 这变成了所谓的自由议程。 |
| 358 | 对 我知道 Yeah, I know. | |
| 359 | Believe it or not, quite controversial, | 信不信由你 很有争议 |
| 360 | as if spreading freedom was a bad thing. | 好像传播自由是件坏事 |
| 361 | No, yeah, I see. | 不,对,我明白了。 |
| 362 | In other words, we saw this as an ideological conflict. | 换言之,我们认为这是一场意识形态冲突。 |
| 363 | And for people to have no idea what we're talking about, | 而人们不知道我们在说什么 |
| 364 | just understand there are people in the world | 只要明白世界里有人 |
| 365 | who can't stand America because of our freedoms. | 他们无法忍受美国 因为我们的自由。 |
| 366 | And what changed on that day of September the 11th | 9月11日那天的改变 |
| 367 | was that those who can't stand what we stand for | 那些无法忍受我们所主张的 |
| 368 | had the capacity to come and kill. | 有能力来杀人 |
| 369 | And that's what really changed the whole strategic equation | 这正是真正改变整个战略方程式的原因 |
| 370 | for a president and the country. | 总统和国家 |
| 371 | But yeah, my view is that freedom is necessary for peace. | 但我认为自由是和平的必要条件 |
| 372 | As I said all the time, it's not America's gift to the world. | 正如我常说的,这不是美国给世界的礼物. |
| 373 | I happen to believe it's an Almighty's gift to every soul. | 我碰巧相信这是全能的礼物 给每个灵魂。 |
| 374 | And the idea of giving people a chance to live in freedom | 给人们自由生活的机会 |
| 375 | makes sense not only from a national security perspective, | 不仅从国家安全的角度来看是有意义的, |
| 376 | but it makes sense for helping establish peace. | 但对于帮助建立和平是有意义的。 |
| 377 | The irony is, during our time in Washington, | 讽刺的是 在我们华盛顿期间 |
| 378 | there were certain people who said, | 有些人说, |
| 379 | how dare you try to promote freedom | 你竟敢宣扬自由 |
| 380 | as if it's only available for a certain kind of people. | 仿佛它只提供给某类人. |
| 381 | And anyway, I meant it, and as did you. | 总之,我是真心的,你也是 |
| 382 | And you really started out, of course, | 而你真的开始,当然, |
| 383 | making the case about Afghanistan and the plight of women. | 说明阿富汗和妇女困境的情况。 |
| 384 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 385 | Or did you make that case or did somebody else make that case? | 还是你做了那个案子 还是别人做了那个案子? |
| 386 | Well, I was trying to give a radio address | 我想给一个无线电地址 |
| 387 | and Laura elbowed me out of the way | 和劳拉肘我出去 |
| 388 | and she gave a radio address that spoke to the Afghan women. | 她向阿富汗妇女发表广播讲话。 |
| 389 | And it had a huge impact, by the way. | 顺便说一句,它产生了巨大的影响。 |
| 390 | Huge impact, huge impact. | 巨大的冲击,巨大的冲击。 |
| 391 | Do you think that we are falling away from that understanding | 你觉得我们是不是在脱离这种理解 |
| 392 | that part of the challenge that we faced on September 11th | 我们9月11日面临的挑战 |
| 393 | still is with us and that there are free and unfree? | 仍然与我们同在 自由与不自由? |
| 394 | Are we falling away from that? | 我们是不是要离开这个? |
| 395 | Yeah, absolutely, it seems to me. | 是啊,当然,在我看来。 |
| 396 | You know, our nation occasionally goes to isolationist periods | 你知道,我们国家偶尔会陷入孤立时期 |
| 397 | where the attitude is we've got too many problems at home, | 态度是家里的问题太多了 |
| 398 | therefore who cares what happens overseas, | 因此,谁在乎在海外发生什么, |
| 399 | which really means to me they just don't pay attention | 这真的意味着我 他们只是不注意 |
| 400 | to the lesson of 9-11, | 9 -11的教训, |
| 401 | because what happens overseas matter to our national security at home. | 因为海外发生的事 对我们国内的国家安全很重要 |
| 402 | And yes, I'm afraid so. | 是的,我恐怕是这样。 |
| 403 | And to the extent that people are struggling against tyranny, | 只要人们反抗暴政 |
| 404 | it makes sense. | 这有道理。 |
| 405 | We don't have to send troops. | 不须发兵. |
| 406 | We ought at least stand with them and stand beside them | 我们至少应该和他们站在一起 站在他们旁边 |
| 407 | because this is what we went through 250 years ago. | 因为这是我们250年前经历的 |
| 408 | And again, it's a belief that everybody wants to be free. | 再说一遍,相信每个人都想自由 |
| 409 | And we saw that in Afghanistan. | 我们在阿富汗看到了这一点。 |
| 410 | People say, well, they don't want to be free. | 人们说,嗯,他们不想自由。 |
| 411 | They don't know the difference. | 二者不知分别. |
| 412 | Of course they know the difference. | 他们当然知道区别 |
| 413 | Young girls going to school for the first time in their lives | 年轻女孩一生中第一次上学 |
| 414 | knew the difference. | 了解区别 |
| 415 | Women becoming doctors and professors know the difference | 成为医生和教授的妇女知道这种区别 |
| 416 | between a free society and a tyrannical society. | 自由社会与专制社会之间。 |
| 417 | And sadly, those women who began to realize their full potential | 可悲的是,那些开始充分发挥潜力的妇女 |
| 418 | no longer have a chance to realize their full potential. | 不再有机会充分发挥其潜力。 |
| 419 | In your second inaugural, | 在你的第二次就职典礼上, |
| 420 | you said that no man, woman, or child should have to live in tyranny. | 你说任何男人、女人或孩子 都不应该生活在暴政之中 |
| 421 | It was the theme of the second inaugural address. | 这是第二次开幕词的主题。 |
| 422 | That's correct. | 没错 |
| 423 | Do you think that you would have given that address | 你觉得你会给那个地址吗? |
| 424 | had we not experienced 9-11? | 难道我们没有经历9 -11? |
| 425 | Probably not, | 也许不是, |
| 426 | because we weren't engaged in an ideological conflict at that point in time. | 因为我们当时没有发生意识形态冲突 |
| 427 | If we were, it wasn't evident. | 如果我们是的话,那也不是很明显的。 |
| 428 | It wasn't on our TV screens. | 我们的电视屏幕上没有 |
| 429 | 9-11 was a clarifying moment for me and you and others in our administration | 9 -11是澄清的时刻 对于我和你和其他人 在我们的政府 |
| 430 | because they realized that we were vulnerable to attack | 因为他们意识到我们很容易被攻击 |
| 431 | based upon what we believe, based upon a belief system. | 基于我们所相信的,基于一种信仰体系。 |
| 432 | And that phone call from Koizumi proved to me, | 小泉的电话告诉我 |
| 433 | in my mind, that free societies can work together. | 在我心目中,自由社会可以合作。 |
| 434 | And yet we fought each other 40 years prior to that. | 但我们在40年前就互相打斗了 |
| 435 | And so the question is, | 所以问题是, |
| 436 | if you're interested in laying the foundation for peace, | 如果你有兴趣为和平奠定基础 |
| 437 | how best to do so? | 如何最好地做到这一点? |
| 438 | And it's in our self-interest to do that. | 这样做符合我们的自身利益。 |
| 439 | That's the lesson of 9-11. | 这是9 -11的教训。 |
| 440 | People say, well, you're imposing your values. | 人们说,嗯,你在强加你的价值观。 |
| 441 | I'm not imposing our values. | 我没有强加我们的价值观。 |
| 442 | These are universal values. | 这些是普遍价值。 |
| 443 | And so I don't think I would have given that speech | 所以我不认为我会说 |
| 444 | because it wasn't in our national interest to give it at that point in time. | 因为在那个时候给予它不符合我们的国家利益。 |
| 445 | But 9-11 was in that way clarifying. | 但9 -11是这样澄清的 |
| 446 | Again, as the General talked about, | 又如将军所说, |
| 447 | one of the gifts, perhaps, of 9-11 was that clarifying moment | 也许911的礼物之一 就是澄清一下 |
| 448 | that our values had to be defended, not just our buildings. | 我们必须捍卫我们的价值观,而不仅仅是我们的建筑。 |
| 449 | Our territory. | 我们的领土。 |
| 450 | Exactly right. | 没错 |
| 451 | So I want to go for a moment to the generation that will not remember 9-11. | 因此,我想去一个瞬间 一代将不记得9 -11。 |
| 452 | So I'm a university professor and I walk into the classroom | 所以我是大学教授 我走进教室 |
| 453 | and not a single one of my students was born at the time of 9-11. | 9 -11岁的时候 我的学生没有一个出生 |
| 454 | What would you say to them about those days, | 你会怎么跟他们说那些日子 |
| 455 | about what you did, how you thought about it? | 关于你做了什么, 你怎么想的? |
| 456 | What was it like when you walked into the Congress that night | 当晚你走进国会时是什么样子? |
| 457 | to give that speech to the nation? | 向全国发表演说? |
| 458 | By the way, Tony Blair, the British Prime Minister, came to that speech. | 顺便说一句,英国首相托尼·布莱尔来到了这个演讲. |
| 459 | And the President asked him if he wanted to speak. | 总统问他要不要说话 |
| 460 | And he said, no, I just want to be here. | 他说,不,我只是想在这里。 |
| 461 | But it was really quite a moment to walk into that chamber. | 但是,走进那间屋子实在是太快了 |
| 462 | How would you tell these young people, how would you relate to them | 你怎么跟这些年轻人说 你和他们有什么关系 |
| 463 | the feelings of that time, the anxieties, | 当时的感情,焦虑, |
| 464 | and the sense that we were coming together in an extraordinary time, | 以及我们在一个非常时期聚在一起的感觉, |
| 465 | in an extraordinary way? | 以不同寻常的方式? |
| 466 | Yeah, you know, I remember that speech well. | 是啊,你知道,我记得 讲话很好。 |
| 467 | I don't remember the words well, but I remember giving that speech. | 我不太记得这些话 但我记得我做了那个演讲 |
| 468 | And it was a pretty high drama speech. | 这是一个相当高的戏剧演讲。 |
| 469 | And it was one, really meant to rally the nation, | 并是一个,真的 旨在团结全国, |
| 470 | but also make the case as to what we intended to do. | 还要说明我们打算做什么 |
| 471 | And I can't remember in that speech if I said, | 如果我说,我不记得在那个演讲中, |
| 472 | if you harbor a terrorist who is guilty as a terrorist, | 如果你窝藏一个恐怖分子 谁是恐怖分子, |
| 473 | we're sending the word to Afghanistan, they cough up al-Qaeda. | 我们把消息传到阿富汗, 他们咳嗽基地组织。 |
| 474 | The thing is, when a President says something, he's got to mean it. | 问题是,当一个总统说些什么时,他必须是认真的。 |
| 475 | You know, I meant it. | 我是认真的 |
| 476 | And evidently, the Taliban didn't think I meant it. | 显然,塔利班认为我不是故意的。 |
| 477 | But look, I'm like World War II, you know. | 但我就像二战一样 |
| 478 | My dad fought in World War II, and for me it was just a date. | 我爸爸参加过二战 对我来说只是个约会 |
| 479 | I mean, it had no emotional attachment whatsoever. | 我的意思是,它没有任何感情上的依恋。 |
| 480 | But the danger of that is, if there's no emotional attachment | 但危险是,如果没有情感上的依恋 |
| 481 | to the fact that our country can be attacked, | 我们的国家会遭到攻击 |
| 482 | there's kind of a listlessness that can take place. | 有种无名无姓的发生。 |
| 483 | There's kind of a, you know, people can say, oh, it's not going to happen. | 有种,你知道, 人们可以说, 哦,这是不会发生的。 |
| 484 | It'll never happen again. | 终不复有. |
| 485 | And that's a dangerous attitude to have in a dangerous world. | 在一个危险的世界里,这是一种危险的态度。 |
| 486 | And so you would say to them, what, be vigilant? | 所以你会告诉他们,什么,提高警惕? |
| 487 | Well, learn to read for starters. | 好吧,学着为开始阅读。 |
| 488 | Pardon me? | 你说什么? |
| 489 | What was that? | 你说什么? |
| 490 | Learn to read. | 学人读书. |
| 491 | Well, yeah. | 对 |
| 492 | Well, to be fair, most of my students can read. | 好吧,公平地说,我的大多数学生都识字。 |
| 493 | I'm not sure what it is they're reading. | 我不知道他们在看什么 |
| 494 | I'm sure you're at Stanford, of course. | 我肯定你在斯坦福 当然 |
| 495 | Anyway, SMU, they read a lot. | 无论如何,SMU,他们读了很多。 |
| 496 | Anyway, study history. | 总之,学习历史. |
| 497 | I worry about the fact that kids don't have a real understanding of our nation's history. | 我担心的是,孩子们对我国的历史没有真正的了解. |
| 498 | Not only the history of 250 years ago, but recent history, September 11, 2001. | 不仅250年前的历史,最近的历史,2001年9月11日. |
| 499 | And there's a lot of stuff written about it. | 亦有诸经文. |
| 500 | And to me, I would hope these civic courses teach the lessons of 9-11 | 对我而言,我希望这些公民课程能教9 -11的课 |
| 501 | so another generation can understand what we all went through, | 这样一代人就能明白我们经历了什么 |
| 502 | but why it's important that what we went through was necessary to safeguard what we believe. | 但为什么我们所经历的一切 都是为了捍卫我们所相信的 |
| 503 | Well, in some ways, we're fighting a little bit of an uphill battle | 嗯,从某种意义上来说,我们正在打 一点点的上山战斗 |
| 504 | because there's a lot of disinformation, misinformation, conspiracy theories about what happened. | 因为有很多关于事情的虚假信息,错误信息,阴谋论. |
| 505 | And trying to set that record straight, not just because we need to set the record straight, | 并试图使记录的正确, 不只是因为我们需要使记录的正确, |
| 506 | but also to honor those who were died. | 也是为了纪念那些死去的人 |
| 507 | So talk about that piece of it. | 所以说说它的一部分。 |
| 508 | Well, I try not to pay attention to the conspiracy nuts. | 我尽量不注意那些阴谋狂 |
| 509 | Yeah, I'm not surprised at that. | 是啊,我不惊讶这一点。 |
| 510 | Yes. | 对 |
| 511 | And they are spreading all kinds of stuff. | 他们正在传播各种东西。 |
| 512 | It's just not true. | 这不是真的 |
| 513 | And I don't really go on the Internet that much. | 我很少上网。 |
| 514 | You'll be happy to hear. | 你会很高兴听到。 |
| 515 | I didn't expect that you did, but that actually wasn't the question. | 我没想到你会这么做 但其实这不是问题所在 |
| 516 | That's why I'm going to ask you. | 故问. |
| 517 | So how do you keep alive the real story? | 所以,你如何保持活 真实的故事? |
| 518 | That's really the point. | 这才是重点 |
| 519 | Well, events like this, hopefully Lauren and I are going to go to New York two days from now, | 好吧,像这样的事件, 希望劳伦和我 要去纽约 两天后, |
| 520 | and hopefully that will cause people to take a serious look at what happened. | 希望这能让人们认真看待所发生的一切。 |
| 521 | It's a great museum there. | 那里是一个伟大的博物馆。 |
| 522 | We've got a good one here. | 我们这里有一个很好的。 |
| 523 | But you're right. | 但你是对的 |
| 524 | The danger, of course, the farther it gets away from September 11, 2001, | 当然,危险离2001年9月11日越远, |
| 525 | the more likely these people will not remember, A, the importance, B, the surface, C, the sacrifice, | 这些人更可能不记得,A,重要,B,表面,C,牺牲, |
| 526 | and what it meant. | 和它的意义。 |
| 527 | And I don't know. | 则不知. |
| 528 | That's a good question. | 问曰. |
| 529 | Well, you're doing your part right here. | 你在这里尽你的职责 |
| 530 | So let me ask you about three groups of people and how you think about them at the time of 9-11. | 所以,让我来问你们三组人的情况,你们在9-11时如何看待他们. |
| 531 | First and foremost, how do you think about the families of the victims? | 首先,你对受害者家属的看法如何? |
| 532 | In everybody's heart, there are brothers and sisters and a hole in the hearts of a lot of people. | 在每个人的心中,都有兄弟姐妹,还有很多人心中的洞. |
| 533 | How do you think about that? | 你觉得怎么样? |
| 534 | Well, I think about them with a sense of sadness. | 我怀着悲伤的心情想着他们 |
| 535 | I run into people all the time that say, you know, I had a loved one die in 9-11. | 我经常遇到别人 说,你知道,我有一个爱人死 在9 -11。 |
| 536 | And my answer is, well, I hope you're doing okay. | 而我的答案是,嗯,我希望你做得很好。 |
| 537 | You know, most people are able to recover. | 大多数人都能康复 |
| 538 | But Laura and I are going to meet some families of firefighters and people like that when we go to New York. | 但是,劳拉和我要去见一些家庭 消防员和这样的人 当我们去纽约。 |
| 539 | And I guess the only thing you can do is just hug them and tell them, you know, you care about them. | 我猜你唯一能做的就是拥抱他们 告诉他们 你关心他们 |
| 540 | I think they hurt. | 我觉得他们很疼 |
| 541 | But the loss of life, unfortunately, happens a lot in our country. | 但是,不幸的生命损失在我国发生了很多事情。 |
| 542 | And I think about those people who've lost a loved one as well. | 我想到那些失去亲人的人 |
| 543 | And it's, yeah, but that was the families that we ran. | 是,是的,但那是我们运行的家庭。 |
| 544 | Remember, I went to Javits Center. | 记住,我去了贾维茨中心 |
| 545 | Yes. | 对 |
| 546 | Were you with me there? | 你和我一起吗? |
| 547 | I was, yeah. | 我是,没错。 |
| 548 | Yeah, okay. | 是啊,没关系。 |
| 549 | So I went to the Javits Center. | 所以我去了贾维茨中心 |
| 550 | And this is where there were a bunch of people there that were hoping that their loved one would come out of the building. | 这里有一群人希望他们爱的人能从大楼里出来。 |
| 551 | But we had just been to the building. | 但我们刚去过那栋楼 |
| 552 | And there was no chance that no one was coming out of there. | 没有人会从那里出来 |
| 553 | And it was a tough assignment, because particularly dealing with the young kids, you know, | 这是一个艰难的任务, 因为特别处理 年轻的孩子,你知道, |
| 554 | I remember passing out presidential tie clips and said, you know, make sure you show your father this. | 我记得我把总统领带剪断了 说,你知道的, 确保你向你父亲展示这个。 |
| 555 | He won't believe you met the president, knowing full well they'd never see the president. | 他不会相信你见过总统 完全清楚他们不会见到总统 |
| 556 | I mean, they'd never see the father. | 我的意思是,他们永远不会看到父亲。 |
| 557 | And so I thought about them a lot during that period of time. | 所以我想了很多 在这段时间。 |
| 558 | It's, you know, I felt like bringing Al-Qaeda to justice was honoring the families of the fallen. | 我觉得把基地组织绳之以法 是对死者家属的尊敬 |
| 559 | Yeah, and protecting the country. | 对,还有保护国家 |
| 560 | So how did you get through it? | 你怎么熬过去的? |
| 561 | Now, I'm often asked that question. | 现在,我经常被问到这个问题。 |
| 562 | They were really long days. | 日子真长 |
| 563 | Yeah, they were. | 是的,他们是。 |
| 564 | And they were troubled days, because as we've been discussing, we just knew there was going to be a follow-on attack. | 他们的日子很麻烦,因为我们一直在讨论, 我们只知道会有后续攻击。 |
| 565 | Well, my faith helped a lot, you know. | 我的信念帮了大忙 |
| 566 | I didn't exactly have a – my faith wasn't exactly a straight line, by the way. | 顺便说一句,我的信仰并不完全直线 |
| 567 | A few stumbles. | 几处跌倒. |
| 568 | But yeah, I relied a lot upon the Good Book during that period of time. | 但是在这段时间里 我非常依赖《圣经》 |
| 569 | Plus, I had a heck of a team. | 而且,我有一个很好的团队。 |
| 570 | Now, you're by my side. | 现在,你站在我身边。 |
| 571 | It was, you know, lucky to have you there. | 幸好有你在场 |
| 572 | And we have some very competent people. | 我们有一些非常称职的人。 |
| 573 | People ask, well, how do you deal with pressure? | 人们问,你如何处理压力? |
| 574 | Well, step one is to listen to people and know what they're talking about. | 第一步是倾听人们的心声,知道他们在说什么。 |
| 575 | Surround yourself with people who are smart. | 与聪明人围绕. |
| 576 | Not be afraid of smart people, but welcome them and listen to their voices. | 不要害怕聪明人,而是欢迎他们,倾听他们的声音. |
| 577 | And I had a lot of smart people around me, a lot. | 我身边有很多聪明人 |
| 578 | And the team itself was comforting. | 团队本身也感到安慰。 |
| 579 | None of them were there to make me look good, which was a near impossible task. | 他们都没有让我好看,这几乎是不可能的任务。 |
| 580 | But all of them were there to serve the country. | 但他们都在那里为国家服务。 |
| 581 | And therefore, our culture was such that we worked together. | 因此,我们的文化是 我们一起工作的。 |
| 582 | And yeah, it was tough, but when you have good people around you, it's a lot less tough, I guess what I'm trying to say. | 是的,这很艰难,但是当你身边有好人的时候, 它就没那么难了,我想我想说的是。 |
| 583 | I want to take a minute in that regard to just have you reflect on the memory of three of those team members who've passed on. | 我要花一分钟的时间 让你好好回想一下这三名队员的记忆 |
| 584 | Yeah, yeah, we're the only ones left. | 是啊,是啊,我们是唯一剩下的。 |
| 585 | Yeah, we're it. | 是的,我们到了。 |
| 586 | You can say anything you want. | 随其所欲皆能说. |
| 587 | Nobody can contradict you. | 没有人能反驳你 |
| 588 | But Vice President Cheney, Secretary Powell, Secretary Rumsfeld. | 但副总统切尼,国务卿鲍威尔,国务卿拉姆斯菲尔德. |
| 589 | Yeah, well, you know, I don't want to say wise enough, but I was aware that a president would have to deal with the unexpected. | 是啊,你知道,我不想说 足够明智, 但我知道 总统将不得不处理 意外。 |
| 590 | And therefore, when it happened, I had no idea what it was going to be. | 因此,当它发生的时候,我不知道它会是什么。 |
| 591 | But you want us people who had a lot of experience to be able to give you good advice. | 但你希望我们这些经验丰富的人 能给你好的建议 |
| 592 | And so these were I put you in a tough job, though, because you had to deal with, you know, Powell and Rumsfeld and Cheney. | 所以,这些是我让你 在一个艰难的工作,虽然, 因为你不得不对付, 你知道,鲍威尔和拉姆斯菲尔德和切尼。 |
| 593 | Oh, my God, it was you did a heck of a job. | 哦,我的上帝,这是你做了一个地狱的工作。 |
| 594 | But no, you know, I had the benefit of watching a really great man be president. | 但是,不,你知道,我有一个好处 看着一个真正的伟大的人成为总统。 |
| 595 | And, you know, he taught me a good lesson that a leader must be humble enough to know what they don't know and find people who do and listen to them. | 而且,你知道,他教我一个很好的教训,一个领导者必须谦卑到知道他们不知道的东西,找到做和倾听他们的人. |
| 596 | And and I wisely did that. | 我明智地做到了这一点。 |
| 597 | And on September 11th, on September 11th, we were one fortunate nation in so many ways. | 而在9月11日,9月11日,我们在许多方面是一个幸运的国家. |
| 598 | But no way were we more fortunate than in having you. | 但我们没有比拥有你更幸运的了 |
| 599 | And I thank you very much. | 我非常感谢你。 |
| 600 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 601 | Please join me in thanking President. | 请与我一道感谢总统。 |
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