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美国两党在国会山发表对发动战争的分歧意见 | 2026.01

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0:03Yeah, Tim and I made it clear that the public needs answers.是的,蒂姆和我明确表示 公众需要答案。
0:10Across America, people are在美国各地,人们
0:12just saying, what the hell is going on?只是说,这到底是怎么回事?
0:15We need answers as to how long this is going我们需要知道这要持续多久
0:17to last.持续。
0:17We need answers to how many troops, how much money, are there guardrails, things我们需要答案,有多少军队,多少钱, 有护栏,东西
0:23we don't do.我们不这样做。
0:24And a number of things that we had talked about were very troubling.我们讨论过的一些事情非常令人不安。
0:28What什麽?
0:29there is a real, I am totally dissatisfied about their answers of going into other countries,我完全不满意他们去他国的答案
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1Yeah, Tim and I made it clear that the public needs answers.是的,蒂姆和我明确表示 公众需要答案。
2Across America, people are在美国各地,人们
3just saying, what the hell is going on?只是说,这到底是怎么回事?
4We need answers as to how long this is going我们需要知道这要持续多久
5to last.持续。
6We need answers to how many troops, how much money, are there guardrails, things我们需要答案,有多少军队,多少钱, 有护栏,东西
7we don't do.我们不这样做。
8And a number of things that we had talked about were very troubling.我们讨论过的一些事情非常令人不安。
9What什麽?
10there is a real, I am totally dissatisfied about their answers of going into other countries,我完全不满意他们去他国的答案
11totally dissatisfied of what they might be doing in Greenland, as well as in Colombia,完全不满意他们在格陵兰和哥伦比亚 可能在做什么,
12Mexico and other countries.墨西哥和其他国家。
13And we're also totally dissatisfied about succession.我们也对继承感到完全不满.
14They're他们是
15relying to help them run Venezuela, help Trump run Venezuela, of the most unreliable, corrupt支持特朗普管理委内瑞拉,
16people who hate America.那些讨厌美国的人
17So this is fraught with peril.所以这是充满危险。
18The American people, the public,美国人民,公众,
19not just in a classified room, the American people need answers.不只是在保密的房间里 美国人民需要答案
20Tim.蒂姆 蒂姆 蒂姆 蒂姆
21And I'll just say this, and we've got the two cabinet secretaries here and they heard我直说吧 两位内阁秘书来了 他们听到了
22what I said in that room.我在那个房间里说的话
23We are four months into a sustained military operation.我们正处于持续军事行动的四个月之中。
24More更多
25than 200, quote, enemies have been killed.超过200,引文,敌人已经死亡。
26American troops have been injured.美军受伤.
27We have我们有
28the U.S. forces arrayed around Venezuela, but neither the House nor the Senate have但众议院和参议院都没有
29been willing to hold a single public hearing to put these facts before the public.愿意举行一次公开听证会,公开这些事实。
30Why为什么
31not?不是吗?
32We need to start doing our job.我们需要开始做我们的工作。
33What they will do is get us in a classified setting他们要做的是让我们进入一个秘密环境
34where the leader of the Senate says, this is not for public consumption.元老院领袖说,这不是供公众消费的。
35And so the所以说
36questions that we have about the legal rationale, we cannot discuss in public.关于法律理由的问题,我们不能公开讨论。
37The questions问 题
38we have about the strategic rationale, we cannot discuss in public.我们有战略理由 我们不能公开讨论
39About the targeting关于目标
40criteria, we cannot discuss in public.标准,我们不能公开讨论。
41About what's next, is Greenland next, is Columbia接下来是格陵兰 接下来是哥伦比亚
42or Mexico or Cuba next, it's very hard to discuss in public.接下来是墨西哥或古巴 很难公开讨论
43We've got to get this discussion我们得讨论一下
44out of the skiff and into the public before it's too late.在太迟之前 离开车厢进入公众
45The reason we need hearings, public hearings, is the Founding Fathers, when they gave the我们需要听证会和公开听证会的原因是 开国父们
46power to make war new, that this is such a powerful and fraught with peril issue, that使战争成为新的力量, 这是一个强大的,充满危险的问题,
47a public discussion was required.需要进行公开讨论。
48They're avoiding all public discussion.他们回避了所有的公开讨论.
49To talk to和他说话
50us in the skiff, where we didn't get adequate answers even to our questions, but not let我们身处水深火热之中 连问题都得不到足够的答案 但不能让
51the American people know what they're doing, when it's the American people who have always美国人民知道他们在做什么 当美国人民总是
52paid the price when we try to do this regime change in blood and treasure.当我们试图改变这个政权的血和财富时,我们付出了代价。
53We need answers,我们需要答案,
54we need answers to these questions and we need them made publicly.我们需要回答这些问题,我们需要公开回答。
55I'm against everything you said.我反对你说的一切
56Why are you doing this behind closed doors?你为什么要闭门做这个?
57Well there's a lot of operational details that can't be discussed publicly, obviously有很多操作细节不能公开讨论 显然
58for obvious reasons.出于明显的原因。
59So as we move forward, we'll describe our process, which is a three-fold因此,当我们前进,我们将描述我们的过程, 这是一个三倍
60process in Venezuela, I've described it to them now.在委内瑞拉,我已经向他们描述了这一点。
61Step one is the stabilization of第一步是稳定
62the country.国家。
63We don't want it descending into chaos.我们不希望它陷入混乱之中。
64Part of that stabilization and the部分稳定与
65reason why we understand and believe that we have the strongest leverage possible is我们为什么理解并相信 我们拥有最强大的杠杆是
66our quarantine.我们的隔离。
67As you've seen today, two more ships were seized.汝今所见,又缴获两船.
68We are in the midst我们在其中
69right now and in fact about to execute on a deal to take all the oil, they have oil现在,事实上,即将执行 一个交易,拿走所有石油, 他们有石油
70that is stuck in Venezuela.被困在委内瑞拉
71They can't move it because of our quarantine and because it's他们不能移动它 因为我们的隔离和因为它
72sanctioned.制裁。
73We are going to take between 30 and 50 million barrels of oil.我们将消耗3 000万至5 000万桶石油。
74We're going我们要走了
75to sell it in the marketplace at market rates, not at the discounts Venezuela was getting.以市场价格出售,而不是委内瑞拉得到的折扣。
76That money will then be handled in such a way that we will control how it is dispersed这样我们就能控制资金的分散
77in a way that benefits the Venezuelan people, not corruption, not the regime.使委内瑞拉人民受益,而不是腐败,而不是政权。
78So we have所以我们有
79a lot of leverage to move on the stabilization front.在稳定战线上前进的筹码很大.
80The second phase will be a phase that第二阶段将是:
81we call recovery and that is ensuring that American, Western and other companies have我们称之为复苏,这就确保了美国、西方和其他公司
82access to the Venezuelan market in a way that's fair, also at the same time begin to create以公平的方式进入委内瑞拉市场 同时也开始创造
83the process of reconciliation nationally within Venezuela so that the opposition forces can委内瑞拉国内的和解进程,以便反对派部队能够
84be amnestied and released and from prisons are brought back to the country and begin被赦免和释放,从监狱带回本国并开始
85to rebuild civil society.重建民间社会。
86And then the third phase, of course, will be one of transition.然后,第三阶段当然将是过渡阶段。
87Some of this will overlap.其中有些会重叠。
88I've described this to them in great detail.我向他们详细描述了这一点。
89We'll have more再来点
90detail in the days to follow.详于后天.
91But we feel like we're moving forward here in a very positive但是我们觉得我们正朝着这个方向发展
92way.就是这样
93How long will this take, Secretary?这要多久,部长?
94Some senators who were in that briefing describing your operation variously as that you're winning一些参议员在那个简报中 描述了你的行动 以及你正在赢得
95it, that there's no plan for Venezuela going forward.委内瑞拉没有前进的计划
96Yeah, they're going to say that.是的,他们会这么说。
97I used to be a senator too.我以前也是参议员
98That's what you always say你总是这么说
99when it's the other party.当是彼方.
100The bottom line is we've gone into great detail with them底线是,我们已经和他们 一起详细讨论
101about the planning.关于计划。
102We've described it to them.我们已经告诉他们了。
103In fact, it's not just winging it.事实上,它不只是翼。
104It's这是
105not just a saying or speculating it's going to happen.不只是一句谚语 或猜测它会发生。
106It's already happening.已经发生了
107Like the喜欢
108oil arrangement that we've made with Paida Vesa on their sanctioned oil, that they can't我们和Paida Vesa在石油上达成的石油安排 他们不能
109move.移动。
110Understand, they are not generating any revenue from their oil right now.他们现在并没有从石油中获得任何收入。
111They他们
112can't move it unless we allow it to move because we have sanctions, because we're enforcing除非我们允许它移动 否则它不能移动 因为我们有制裁 因为我们强制执行
113those sanctions.这些制裁。
114This is tremendous leverage.这是巨大的杠杆。
115We are exercising it in a positive way.我们正在积极行使这一权力。
116The那个
117president described it last night.总统昨晚说的
118The secretary will write, will have more to say on it today秘书会写信,今天有话要说
119who is involved in running this portfolio.参与管理这一组合的人。
120And we feel very positive that not only will我们感到非常积极,不仅会
121that generate revenue that will be used to the benefit of the Venezuelan people, and创造收益,造福委内瑞拉人民;
122we're ensured that that's what the case is, but it also gives us an amount of leverage我们确信情况就是这样,但它也给了我们一定的影响力
123and influence and control over how this process moves forward.以及影响和控制这一进程如何向前推进。
124Mr. Secretary, on Denmark, on Denmark's Earth.秘书先生,关于丹麦,关于丹麦的地球。
125Mr. Secretary, on Denmark.秘书先生,关于丹麦。
126Why has the administration为什么行政部门
127not taken Denmark's offer to discuss the situation in Greenland?没有接受丹麦关于讨论格陵兰局势的提议?
128Will you take military你会采取军事
129intervention off the table?手术?
130I'm not here to talk about Denmark or military我不是来谈丹麦或军队的
131intervention.干预。
132I'll be meeting with them next week.我下周会和他们见面
133We'll have those conversations with我们会和他们谈话
134them then.那么,他们。
135But I'm not adding anything further to add to that today.但我今天不会再添加任何内容
136Could you clarify your comments to lawmakers?你能向立法者澄清你的意见吗?
137Does the U.S. intend to buy Greenland?美国打算买格陵兰吗?
138Does对
139the U.S. intend to buy Greenland?美国打算买格陵兰?
140Can you clarify your comments to lawmakers this week?这周你能向立法者澄清你的评论吗?
141Well, that's always been the president's intent from the very beginning.这一直是总统的初衷
142He said it very他说得很对
143early on.早点
144I mean, this is not new.我的意思是,这不是新的。
145He talked about it in his first term, and he's not the他在第一个学期就说过了,他不是
146first U.S. president that has examined or looked at how could we acquire Greenland.第一任美国总统 研究或研究了如何获得格陵兰
147There's an interest there.那边有利益.
148But so I just reminded them of the fact that not only did Truman所以我提醒他们 杜鲁门不仅如此
149want to do it, but President Trump's been talking about this since his first term.但特朗普总统从第一任期起就一直在谈论这个问题.
150Why does the White House put out a statement last night saying that the military option为什么白宫昨晚发表声明 说军事选择
151is on the table?在桌子上吗?
152They said the military option is on the table.他们说,军事选择摆在桌面上。
153So is the administration行政部门也一样
154really willing to risk the NATO alliance by potentially moving ahead in military operations?是否真的愿意冒着北约联盟的风险 采取军事行动?
155Guys, what I think the White House said yesterday is what I will tell you now and I've always伙计们,我想白宫昨天说的 是我现在要告诉你们的,我一直
156said.说
157The president always retained the option.总统总是保留选择权
158Every president, not this president, every每个总统,不是这个总统,每个
159president always retains the option.总统总是保留这个选择
160I'm not talking about Greenland.我不是说格陵兰
161I'm just talking我只是说说而已
162about globally.关于全球。
163If the president identifies a threat to the national security of the United如果总统发现对国家安全的威胁
164States, every president retains the option to address it through military means.各国,每一位总统都保留通过军事手段解决这一问题的选择。
165As a作为一名
166diplomat, which is what I am now and what we work on, we always prefer to settle it外交官,这就是我现在的状态 和我们的工作, 我们总是喜欢解决它
167That included in Venezuela.包括在委内瑞拉。
168We tried repeatedly to reach an outcome here that did not involve我们屡次试图在这里达成一个没有涉及
169having to go in and grab an indicted drug trafficker.得进去抓一个被起诉的贩毒者
170Those were unsuccessful, unfortunately.不幸的是,这些都未能成功。
171The people of Venezuela are waking up to the same regime.委内瑞拉人民正在苏醒,接受同一个政权。
172Do you not worry about that?你不担心吗?
173Well, first of all, the bottom line is that there is a process now in place where we have首先,底线是,现在有一个进程 在那里我们有
174tremendous control and leverage over what those interim authorities are doing and are对这些临时当局正在和正在做的事情进行极大的控制和利用
175able to do.能够做到这一点。
176But obviously this will be a process of transition.但显然这将是一个过渡进程。
177In the end, it will be up to最终,它将是由
178the Venezuelan people to transform their country.委内瑞拉人民改变国家。
179We are prepared under the right conditions我们是在合适的条件下准备的
180using the leverage that we have, which includes the fact that they cannot move any oil unless利用我们拥有的杠杆,包括他们不能移动任何石油这一事实,除非
181we allow them to move it to.我们允许他们移动它。
182Well, again, I'm not going to give you a timeline on it.再说一遍,我不会给你一个时间表
183We want it to move as soon as possible, but we didn't expect this would spend three days我们希望它能尽快移动 但我们没想到会花三天时间
184since this happened, four days since this happened.自从这事发生以来 4天后
185So I understand that in this cycle所以我知道在这个循环中
186in society we now live in, everyone wants instant outcomes.现在,我们生活在社会中,每个人都希望立即取得成果。
187They want it to happen overnight.他们希望一夜之间发生。
188It's not going to work that way.不会那样的
189But we're already seeing progress.但我们已经看到了进展。
190With this new deal有了这个新政
191that's been announced and more deals to follow, you're already seeing how the leverage the已经宣布了,接下来还有更多的交易, 你已经看到杠杆如何
192United States have over those interim authorities is going to begin to lead to positive outcomes.美国已超越这些临时当局,将开始取得积极成果。
193What does this cost American taxpayers?这要美国纳税人付出什么代价?
194How long to the American public?多久美国公众?
195It doesn't cost us...这不花我们...
196The involvement, the U.S. involvement in Venezuela, how much will it cost the U.S. taxpayers?美国介入委内瑞拉,美国纳税人将付出多少钱?.
197Well, it doesn't cost us any money.嗯,这不花我们任何钱。
198For example, this oil deal that's happening doesn't cost比如说,这次石油交易并不花钱
199us any money, on the contrary.我们的钱,恰恰相反。
200And if it opens up...如果打开...
201Well, look, I don't have the numbers.好吧,你看,我没有数字。
202What operation are you talking about?你在说什么手术?
203The entire整个
204thing?什麽事?
205Yeah.对
206Well, none of these troops sit in a dry dock waiting for action.那么,这些部队中没有一个 坐在一个旱码头 等待行动。
207They're deployed somewhere他们部署在某处
208in the world.在这个世界。
209If they're not here, they're somewhere else.如果他们不在这里,他们在别的地方。
210Just today, our forces not就在今天,我们的力量不是
211deployed to the Caribbean seized a boat, a sanctioned boat tied to the IRGC that tried被派往加勒比的一艘船只被扣押,一艘被制裁的船只被绑在伊朗革命卫队的船上,该军试图
212to flee from us.逃离我们。
213That happened somewhere else.这发生在别的地方。
214We are constantly involved in action.我们不断参与行动。
215We have我们有
216boats in the Mediterranean.地中海的船只。
217We have ships in the Middle East.我们中东有船
218We have ships in the Indo-Pacific.我们有船在印度-太平洋。
219These ships, if they weren't in the Caribbean, they'd be somewhere else conducting activity.这些船,如果它们不在加勒比海, 它们就会在别的地方进行活动。
220That's what the Navy does.海军就是这样做的
221On that note, sir...关于这一点,先生...
222I want to emphasize that question from CNN.我想从CNN中强调这个问题。
223The questions never ask how much does it cost问题从不问多少钱
224when they're in the Mediterranean or the Red Sea or the Indian Ocean or the Pacific.当它们位于地中海或红海或印度洋或太平洋.
225But不过
226now that they're in our hemisphere on a counter cartel mission or ensuring that an indicted他们现在在我们半球 执行反卡特尔任务 或者确保一个被起诉的人
227individual comes to justice, now you're asking the question of cost.个人被绳之以法, 现在你问成本问题。
228It's a disingenuous这是不诚实的
229question to begin with.问题从头开始。
230You're trying to find any angle possible to undermine the success你试图寻找任何可能的角度来破坏成功
231of one of the most historic military missions the world has ever seen.是世界上最历史性的军事任务之一
232The level of sophistication复杂程度
233that Senate just was briefed on and the House was briefed on, a classified level, is something参议院刚刚听取了简报 众议院也听取了简报 一个机密级别
234only the United States of America can accomplish.只有美利坚合众国才能成功。
235The world is taking notice of that.世界正在注意到这一点。
236Certainly当然
237Venezuela is taking notice of that.委内瑞拉注意到这一点。
238And it continues because two oil tankers, two overnight,继续是因为两艘油轮 一夜之间
239were seized by the United States of America, stateless or sanctioned because the oil blockade,被美利坚合众国扣押、无国籍或因石油封锁而受到制裁,
240the quarantine of oil out of unsanctioned or stateless, sanctioned or stateless vessels对未经批准或无国籍、受制裁或无国籍船只的石油进行检疫;
241continues.继续。
242That leverage will continue as Secretary Rubio outlined.正如鲁比奥国务卿所述,这种影响力将继续下去。
243So our military所以,我们的军队
244is prepared to continue this.准备继续这样做。
245As he said, the president, when he speaks, he means it.正如他说的,总统,当他说话,他是认真的。
246He's not messing around.他不会乱搞的
247We are an administration of action to advance our interests.我们是一个促进我们利益的行动管理机构。
248And that还有
249is on full display.正在全面显示。
250We're happy to brief the House and Senate.我们很高兴向众议院和参议院做简报。
251Two quick things, okay?两件事情,好吗?
252Number one, because we have to go because we've got to brief the第一,因为我们必须去 因为我们必须向大家介绍
253House and if we don't and they're pissed at us, we're going to, you guys better defend豪斯和如果我们不和 他们对我们生气,我们要去, 你们更好的防御
254us.我们
255That was because we were talking to you.那是因为我们在跟你说话
256I would make one more point and it's a very我还想再讲一点,这是非常
257interesting point.有趣的一点。
258One of those ships that were seized that had oil in the Caribbean,其中一艘在加勒比有石油的船只被扣押,
259you know what the interim authorities are asking for in Venezuela?你知道临时当局在委内瑞拉要求什么吗?
260They want that oil他们要油
261that was seized to be part of this deal.这被认为是交易的一部分。
262They understand, they understand that the only他们明白,他们明白,唯一的
263way they can move oil and generate revenue and not have economic collapse is if they他们可以移动石油和创造收入 而不发生经济崩溃的方式是如果他们
264cooperate and work with the United States.与美国合作和协作。
265And that's what we see are going to happen.这就是我们所看到的将要发生的。
266We got to go talk to the House guys.我们得去跟众议院的人谈谈
267I apologize.对不起
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