JD万斯专访透露与泽连斯基会晤的“脱轨时刻” | 2025.
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:01 | Mr. Vice President, thank you for being with us. | 副总统先生,谢谢你和我们在一起 |
| 0:03 | Good to see you, man. | 很高兴见到你 |
| 0:03 | Great to be here. | 很高兴在这里。 |
| 0:04 | Let's go back to the Oval Office, Friday. | 我们回办公室吧,星期五 |
| 0:06 | Yep. | 对 |
| 0:07 | From your perspective. | 从你的角度来说 |
| 0:08 | Yeah, great TV. | 是啊,伟大的电视。 |
| 0:10 | That's what the President said. | 总统是这么说的 |
| 0:11 | Yeah, well, you know, it's funny. | 是啊,你知道,这很有趣。 |
| 0:13 | So we have a 40, 45-minute press conference, | 因此,我们有一个40,45分钟的新闻发布会, |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mr. Vice President, thank you for being with us. | 副总统先生,谢谢你和我们在一起 |
| 2 | Good to see you, man. | 很高兴见到你 |
| 3 | Great to be here. | 很高兴在这里。 |
| 4 | Let's go back to the Oval Office, Friday. | 我们回办公室吧,星期五 |
| 5 | Yep. | 对 |
| 6 | From your perspective. | 从你的角度来说 |
| 7 | Yeah, great TV. | 是啊,伟大的电视。 |
| 8 | That's what the President said. | 总统是这么说的 |
| 9 | Yeah, well, you know, it's funny. | 是啊,你知道,这很有趣。 |
| 10 | So we have a 40, 45-minute press conference, | 因此,我们有一个40,45分钟的新闻发布会, |
| 11 | and the President normally does this, | 总统通常这样做, |
| 12 | and I've seen this now three or four times with foreign leaders, | 我和外国领导人见过三四次 |
| 13 | where he likes to bring the media in, | 他喜欢让媒体进来 |
| 14 | likes to have a conversation, | 喜欢聊天 |
| 15 | but answer questions with the press. | 但请记者回答问题。 |
| 16 | As you know, he's very open with reporters. | 如你所知 他对记者很开放 |
| 17 | And what I noticed is that for the first 25, 30 or so minutes, | 而我注意到的是 在前25,30左右分钟, |
| 18 | he tried to sort of bend over backwards to be gracious and kind to Zelensky. | 他试图向后弯曲 以善待泽连斯基 |
| 19 | Even when Zelensky was kind of needling him, | 即使泽连斯基需要他 |
| 20 | even when Zelensky was saying things that I thought were untrue, | 即使Zelensky说了一些我认为不真实的话 |
| 21 | the President just tried to be diplomatic, right? | 总统刚刚试图 外交,对不对? |
| 22 | I think that's his natural instinct in that situation. | 我认为那是他在这种情况下的本能 |
| 23 | And then when it really went off the rails, of course, | 然后当它真的失控了,当然, |
| 24 | is when I asked, or you had a Polish journalist who asked a question, | 或者你有个波兰记者问了个问题 |
| 25 | the President answered it, and then I answered it. | 总统回答,然后我回答。 |
| 26 | And then something about my answer just really set Zelensky off. | 然后,关于我的答案 一些东西 只是真的让泽连斯基离开。 |
| 27 | So then he came at me, and of course, then I went back at him. | 然后他朝我走来,当然,然后我又朝他走去。 |
| 28 | And what I tried to do originally was actually try to diffuse the situation a little bit, | 我最初想做的是 尽量分散一下局势 |
| 29 | because I'm like, you know, we're having this meeting. | 因为我喜欢,你知道, 我们正在开会。 |
| 30 | Obviously, there are 100 television cameras here. | 显然这里有100台电视摄像机 |
| 31 | Let's try to have this conversation in private. | 我们私下谈谈吧 |
| 32 | And then the President, as we kept on going back and forth, | 然后总统,当我们不停地来回, |
| 33 | I tried again to say, well, maybe we should have this conversation in private. | 我还想说 也许我们应该私下谈谈 |
| 34 | And the President was like, nope, actually, I don't want to have it in private anymore. | 而总统是一样, nope, 实际上,我不想有 它的私人了。 |
| 35 | I want to have this actual conversation in public for the American people to see. | 我想让美国人民在公共场合看到这种真正的对话。 |
| 36 | And I do think that there was just a certain sense of there was a lack of respect. | 我确实认为,只有某种感觉,那就是缺乏尊重。 |
| 37 | There was a certain sense of entitlement. | 有一种权利感。 |
| 38 | And most importantly, look, we can look past all of that stuff, | 最重要的是,看,我们可以看过去所有的东西, |
| 39 | but the President has set a very clear goal for his administration. | 但总统为他的政府设定了一个非常明确的目标。 |
| 40 | He wants the killing to stop. | 他想让杀戮停止 |
| 41 | And I think that it's very important that President Zelensky | 我认为泽连斯基总统 |
| 42 | and, of course, President Putin, too, they've both got to come to the negotiating table. | 当然,普京总统也都得来谈判。 |
| 43 | And that's ultimately where things broke apart. | 最终事情就在那里破裂。 |
| 44 | I really don't care what President Zelensky says about me or anybody else, | 我真的不在乎泽连斯基总统怎么说我或其他人 |
| 45 | but he showed a clear unwillingness to engage in the peace process | 但他显然不愿意参与和平进程 |
| 46 | that President Trump has said is the policy of the American people and of their president. | 川普总统说,美国人民及其总统的政策。 |
| 47 | That's the real breakdown is I think Zelensky wasn't yet there. | 这是真正的崩溃,我认为泽伦斯基还没有在那里。 |
| 48 | And I think, frankly, now still isn't there. | 老实说,我觉得现在还不存在。 |
| 49 | But I think he'll get there eventually. | 但我想他最终会到的 |
| 50 | He has to. | 他必须这么做 |
| 51 | My understanding is he tried to get back in or tried to stay a number of times | 我的理解是,他试图回到 或试图停留几次 |
| 52 | and then made numerous calls to come back. | 然后多次打电话回来 |
| 53 | Is that true? | 是吗? |
| 54 | I don't know about numerous calls, but they certainly made at least one request | 我不知道很多电话,但他们肯定至少提出了一个要求 |
| 55 | to come back in and continue the conversation. | 回来继续谈话 |
| 56 | The president was like, look, first of all, they were disrespectful. | 总统说,首先,他们是不尊重的。 |
| 57 | And second of all, what are we even going to talk about? | 其次,我们要谈什么? |
| 58 | They've shown a clear unwillingness to discuss the peaceful settlement | 他们显然不愿意讨论和平解决 |
| 59 | that President Trump is trying to bring to the situation. | 特朗普总统正试图让局势好转 |
| 60 | I think a lot of Americans are sort of, you know, it's useful to step back | 我认为很多美国人是有点, 你知道,这是有用的退后 |
| 61 | and ask ourselves, what is the actual plan here? | 问问自己 这里有什么计划? |
| 62 | You can't just fund the war forever. | 你不能永远为战争提供资金 |
| 63 | The American people won't stand for it. | 美国人民不会支持的. |
| 64 | And by the way, Sean, if you look at European opinion polls, | 顺便说一句,肖恩,如果你看看 欧洲民意调查, |
| 65 | the Europeans aren't going to stand forever for it either. | 欧洲人也不会永远支持它 |
| 66 | We need to bring this thing to a peaceful settlement. | 我们需要使这个问题得到和平解决。 |
| 67 | The president was trying to do that. | 总统想这么做 |
| 68 | He'll continue to try to do that. | 他会继续努力的 |
| 69 | But you've got to have two to tango. | 但你得有两个探戈。 |
| 70 | You've got to have a negotiating partner in the Ukrainians who recognize that, you know, | 你必须有一个谈判伙伴 在乌克兰人 承认,你知道, |
| 71 | of course they have their views and of course they're not always going to agree with us, | 当然,他们有他们的观点, 当然他们不会总是同意我们的意见, |
| 72 | but they've got to participate in the conversation. | 但他们必须参与对话 |
| 73 | They weren't willing to do that on Friday. | 星期五他们不愿意这么做 |
| 74 | So the president said, send him home. | 所以总统说,送他回家。 |
| 75 | He said today that the war he expects will go on a very long time. | 他今天说,他所期望的战争将持续很长时间。 |
| 76 | I don't know where he's going to get the money to fund that war. | 我不知道他从哪里得到钱来资助这场战争. |
| 77 | I have my doubts that Europe will fund the war to the level that Biden and Harris were funding it. | 我怀疑欧洲会像拜登和哈里斯 那样资助战争 |
| 78 | And then the issue now has come up whether or not this administration will continue | 现在问题已经浮出水面 这个政府是否会继续 |
| 79 | to offer money and arms for this war to continue. | 为这场战争继续提供金钱和武器。 |
| 80 | Because without America, I would argue the president was right in saying they have no cards. | 因为没有美国,我会认为总统说他们没有牌是正确的。 |
| 81 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 82 | Well, Sean, I think our European friends, frankly, are being really, really, | 好吧,肖恩,我认为我们的欧洲朋友,坦率地说, 是真正,真的, |
| 83 | they're doing a disservice to the Ukrainians because their own populations are saying, | 他们正在对乌克兰人造成伤害 因为他们自己的人口在说 |
| 84 | we're not going to fund this war indefinitely. | 我们不会无限期地资助这场战争。 |
| 85 | The American people are saying we don't want to fund the war indefinitely. | 美国人民说我们不想无限期地资助这场战争. |
| 86 | So the only thing that is in the best interest of America, of Russia, of Ukraine and of Europe | 因此,唯一符合美国、俄罗斯、乌克兰和欧洲最佳利益的东西 |
| 87 | is to bring this thing to a close. | 把这件事情办好 |
| 88 | What happened, Sean, is you have Zelensky. | 发生了什么事,肖恩,你得到了泽连斯基。 |
| 89 | He goes to Europe and a lot of our European friends puff him up. | 他去了欧洲,我们很多欧洲朋友都把他吓得屁滚尿流. |
| 90 | They say, you know, you're a freedom fighter, you need to keep fighting forever. | 他们说,你知道,你是一个自由战士, 你需要继续战斗永远。 |
| 91 | Well, fighting forever with what? | 那么,永远与什么战斗? |
| 92 | With whose money, with whose ammunition and with whose lives? | 用谁的钱,用谁的弹药,用谁的生命? |
| 93 | The president is actually taking a much more realistic perspective and saying, | 总统实际上在从更现实的角度 说 |
| 94 | this can't go on forever. | 这不能永远继续下去。 |
| 95 | We can't fund this thing forever. | 我们不能永远资助这件事 |
| 96 | The Ukrainians can't fight forever. | 乌克兰人不能永远战斗. |
| 97 | So let's bring this thing to a peaceful settlement. | 因此,让我们把这个东西 和平解决。 |
| 98 | When I interviewed Zelensky, he wouldn't give me direct answers. | 我采访泽伦斯基时 他不会直接给我答案 |
| 99 | I asked him about the mineral deal to pay the U.S. back. | 我问他关于矿产品交易的事 要还给美国 |
| 100 | To me, there's three phases in this. | 对我来说,这有三个阶段。 |
| 101 | And my understanding was Friday was supposed to be relatively ceremonial. | 我的理解是,星期五应该是相对礼仪性的。 |
| 102 | It was. | 没错 |
| 103 | And in that it was supposed to be we signed the mineral deal. | 本来应该是我们签的矿产品交易 |
| 104 | That's part one. | 这是第一部分。 |
| 105 | Part two would be a ceasefire. | 第二部分将是停火。 |
| 106 | Part three would be the hardest part. | 第三部分是最难的部分。 |
| 107 | The negotiated settlement with Putin, who correct me if I'm wrong, | 与普京的谈判解决 如果我错了,他纠正我, |
| 108 | said he's willing to talk peace with Trump. | 表示愿意与特朗普谈和. |
| 109 | Yeah, he said he's willing to talk peace. | 他说他愿意谈和 |
| 110 | And of course, we trust but verify. | 当然,我们信任但核实。 |
| 111 | We want to have the conversation. | 我们要谈谈 |
| 112 | We don't assume that everything that anybody tells us is true. | 我们不认为任何人告诉我们的一切都是真的 |
| 113 | That's why we want to engage in this conversation. | 所以我们想参与这次对话 |
| 114 | But you're exactly right, Sean. | 但你说得对 肖恩 |
| 115 | When the Ukrainians came to Washington on Friday, | 乌克兰人星期五来华盛顿时 |
| 116 | it was supposed to be ceremonial. | 应该是礼仪性的 |
| 117 | You know, there had been some public back and forth, | 你知道,曾经有一些公众 前后, |
| 118 | some disagreements, some words spoken in public. | 有些分歧,有些在公开场合说的话。 |
| 119 | And the president was like, let's have this moment. | 总统说,让我们有这一刻。 |
| 120 | We give some credit to the brave Ukrainian fighters. | 我们给予勇敢的乌克兰战士一些荣誉. |
| 121 | And of course, it's a very brave army that they have there in Ukraine. | 当然,这是一支非常勇敢的军队 他们在那里,乌克兰。 |
| 122 | Let's sign this minerals deal, which importantly does two things. | 让我们签署这项矿物交易, 它很重要做两件事。 |
| 123 | It allows the American people to get some of their money back, | 它允许美国人民拿回他们的钱 |
| 124 | but it also shows the Ukrainian people that America has a long-term investment | 但也向乌克兰人民表明美国有长期投资 |
| 125 | in their sovereignty. | 他们的主权。 |
| 126 | You do those things. | 你做那些东西。 |
| 127 | We'll sign this thing. | 我们会签的 |
| 128 | We'll have a rah-rah moment. | 我们有一个啦啦的时刻。 |
| 129 | And then we'll get to the tough talk of negotiating peace. | 然后我们再谈和谈的艰难话题 |
| 130 | We couldn't even get the Ukrainians to a point where they could talk | 我们甚至不能让乌克兰人 走到他们能说话的地步 |
| 131 | about the peaceful settlement. | 关于和平解决问题。 |
| 132 | And look, in some way, Sean, I get it. | 听着 肖恩 我明白 |
| 133 | I get the frustration. | 我得到了挫折感。 |
| 134 | I get the rage. | 我得到的愤怒。 |
| 135 | It's their country. | 是他们的祖国 |
| 136 | Of course, it's not our country. | 当然,这不是我们的国家。 |
| 137 | But you've got to accept cooler heads have got to prevail. | 但你得接受更酷的脑袋 才能获胜 |
| 138 | This thing cannot go on forever. | 这件事不能永远继续下去。 |
| 139 | This is the important point. | 这一点很重要。 |
| 140 | I'd say this to our, of course, most importantly, the Americans who are watching, | 我要说这一点,当然,最重要的是, 美国人正在观看, |
| 141 | but people all over the world. | 但世界各地都有人 |
| 142 | When you talk to leaders in private, whether they're Ukrainian or European, | 当你私下和领导人谈话时 不管是乌克兰人还是欧洲人 |
| 143 | when you talk to people in private, they will tell you this cannot go on forever. | 当你私下与人交谈, 他们会告诉你,这不能永远继续下去。 |
| 144 | There aren't enough Ukrainian lives. | 没有足够的乌克兰人的生活。 |
| 145 | There isn't enough American money. | 美国的钱不够 |
| 146 | And there isn't enough ammunition to fund this thing indefinitely. | 而且没有足够的弹药 来无限期地资助这个东西。 |
| 147 | The only realistic pathway to bringing this thing to a settlement | 解决这件事情的唯一现实的途径 |
| 148 | is President Trump's pathway. | 是川普总统的路 |
| 149 | We encourage both President Zelensky and President Putin to follow that path. | 我们鼓励泽连斯基总统和普京总统走这条道路。 |
| 150 | Well, I mean, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent. | 嗯,我的意思是,已经花费了数千亿美元。 |
| 151 | And this came up in the discussion Friday. | 星期五的讨论中就提到了这个。 |
| 152 | The Biden administration called Putin every name in the book. | 拜登政府称普京为书中每个名字. |
| 153 | And they've been trying to get the president. | 他们一直想找总统 |
| 154 | And he's still invaded anyway. | 他还是被入侵了 |
| 155 | OK, he's still invaded anyway. | 好吧,他还是入侵。 |
| 156 | Well, remember, it depends if it's a minor incursion. | 好吧,记住,这取决于 它是否是一个小入侵。 |
| 157 | Let's go back to that moment, which I thought as troops were amassing on the border. | 让我们回到那个时刻,我当时以为部队正在边境集结. |
| 158 | But I go back and I think about this. | 但我回去想这个 |
| 159 | And Biden spent all of this money, called Putin all these names. | 拜登花光了这笔钱, 给普京取了这些名字。 |
| 160 | The media and the Democrats, they want Donald Trump to call him names. | 媒体和民主党都希望唐纳德·特朗普给他起名. |
| 161 | And the president addressed that. | 总统也提到这个问题。 |
| 162 | And then he's supposed to call him and say, Vladimir, are you ready to talk a piece now? | 然后,他应该打电话给他 并说,弗拉基米尔, 你准备好谈论一个作品吗? |
| 163 | That's not going to work. | 这行不通。 |
| 164 | No, it's diplomacy 101, right? | 不,这是外交101,对不对? |
| 165 | Is you have to have a reasonable relationship with somebody to be able to even start the conversation. | 你要和别人保持合理关系 才能开始谈话 |
| 166 | We have to remember, Sean, Ukraine, half of the country, a third of the country is totally destroyed. | 我们必须记住,肖恩,乌克兰, 一半的国家,三分之一的国家被完全摧毁。 |
| 167 | The economy is depressed. | 经济萧条. |
| 168 | You've got hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians, of course, a lot of dead Russians as well. | 你还有几十万乌克兰人 当然,还有许多俄罗斯人死了 |
| 169 | The president wants to negotiate a settlement. | 总统想谈判一个解决方案。 |
| 170 | How can you negotiate if you can't even talk to somebody? | 如果你甚至不能和别人说话,你怎么能谈判? |
| 171 | And that's what he said. | 他就是这么说的 |
| 172 | He's not saying like nobody's suggesting, as Secretary Rubio said, | 他没有说像没人建议的那样 正如鲁比奥国务卿所说 |
| 173 | no one is suggesting that we give the Nobel Peace Prize to Vladimir Putin. | 没有人建议我们把诺贝尔和平奖授予弗拉基米尔·普京。 |
| 174 | What we're saying is it's important for President Trump to be able to have a conversation. | 我们要说的是,川普总统必须能够进行对话. |
| 175 | That's not well served by standing up at a press conference and calling the guy every negative name in the book. | 在记者招待会上站出来 把书里所有负面的名字都给那家伙打电话 是不对的 |
| 176 | By the way, as you just said, President Biden called Putin every single name in the book. | 顺便说一句,正如你刚才所说,拜登总统在书中把普京的每个名字都叫出来. |
| 177 | What did it lead to? | 它导致什么? |
| 178 | It led to war. | 它导致了战争。 |
| 179 | It led to destruction. | 它导致了毁灭。 |
| 180 | It led to conflict. | 它导致了冲突。 |
| 181 | President Trump is trying to bring this thing to a close. | 特朗普总统正试图把此事结案. |
| 182 | You got to be able to talk to somebody to do that. | 你得能和别人谈谈才能做到这一点。 |
| 183 | Is the door open? | 门开着吗? |
| 184 | President Trump said Friday he can come back if he wants peace. | 川普总统说,星期五如果想要和平,他可以回来. |
| 185 | Is that door still open today? | 今天门还开着吗? |
| 186 | What President Trump has said clearly and consistently is, | 特朗普总统明确而一贯地说, |
| 187 | of course the door is open so long as Zelensky is willing to seriously talk peace. | 当然,只要泽伦斯基愿意认真谈和,门就会打开。 |
| 188 | You can't come into the Oval Office or anywhere else and refuse to even discuss the details of a peace deal. | 你不能进办公室或其他任何地方 拒绝讨论和约的细节 |
| 189 | Look, this is not going to make anybody happy. | 听着,这不会让人高兴的 |
| 190 | The Russians are going to have to give up stuff. | 俄国人必须放弃一切 |
| 191 | The Ukrainians are going to have to give up stuff. | 乌克兰人必须放弃一切 |
| 192 | You can't come to the Oval Office and say, give us security guarantees. | 你不能来办公室说 给我们安全保障 |
| 193 | We won't even engage with you about what we're willing to give up. | 我们甚至不会和你接触 我们愿意放弃的东西。 |
| 194 | That's been the Ukrainian posture. | 这是乌克兰的姿态。 |
| 195 | When that posture changes, as President Trump said, when they're willing to talk peace, | 如川普总统所说 当他们愿意谈和时 |
| 196 | I think President Trump will be the first person to pick up the phone. | 我认为特朗普总统会是第一个接电话的人. |
| 197 | Well, I got to imagine that they're probably rethinking it. | 好吧,我不得不想象, 他们可能正在重新思考。 |
| 198 | What did you make of European leaders, quote, their voices of solidarity this weekend? | 你对欧洲领导人有何看法, |
| 199 | Because it's Lindsey Graham, who's been very supportive of Ukraine in this conflict. | 因为是林西·格雷厄姆,他一直非常支持乌克兰在这场冲突中. |
| 200 | I mean, he was livid. | 我的意思是,他是 livid。 |
| 201 | And he said, if they want to now defend their own continent, let them go ahead and do it. | 他说,如果他们现在想捍卫自己的大陆,就让他们继续做。 |
| 202 | Good luck to them. | 祝你好运 |
| 203 | Yeah, and my message to Ukrainians, by the way, to President Zelensky, is when you've lost Lindsey Graham, | 是啊,我给乌克兰人的信息,顺便说一句,给泽连斯基总统的信息, 就是当你失去林西·格雷厄姆的时候, |
| 204 | that means you need to come to the negotiating table and recognize Donald Trump is the only game in town. | 这意味着你需要来到谈判桌 并承认唐纳德·特朗普是镇上唯一的游戏。 |
| 205 | He's the only person who I think has a meaningful plan to save that country. | 我认为他是唯一有拯救这个国家的有意义计划的人。 |
| 206 | But, Sean, here's the problem with the Europeans. | 但肖恩 欧洲人的问题就在这里 |
| 207 | And a lot of these guys are our friends, they're our allies. | 这些家伙中有很多是我们的朋友 他们是我们的盟友 |
| 208 | We, of course, you know, the president has a great relationship with a lot of European heads of state. | 我们,当然,你知道,总统 与许多欧洲国家元首有很好的关系。 |
| 209 | And so do I. | 我也一样。 |
| 210 | But they need to be realistic. | 但是,它们需要现实。 |
| 211 | And the craziest part about this, Sean, is that sometimes you'll have European heads of state who in public | 最疯狂的部分是,肖恩, 有时你会有 欧洲国家元首 谁公开 |
| 212 | will puff up their chest and say, we're in it with President Zelensky for the next 10 years. | 我们和泽连斯基总统在其中呆了十年 |
| 213 | And then in private, they'll pick up the phone and say, this can't go on forever. | 然后在私下里 他们会拿起电话说 这不能永远继续下去 |
| 214 | He has to come to the negotiating table. | 他必须到谈判桌上来。 |
| 215 | So I honestly don't care what the Europeans say in public. | 所以我真的不在乎欧洲人公开说什么 |
| 216 | What I care is what they say in private. | 我关心的是他们私下说的话 |
| 217 | And what they need to be saying to President Zelensky is this can't go on forever. | 他们要对泽连斯基总统说 这不能永远继续下去 |
| 218 | The bloodshed, the killing, the economic devastation, it's making everyone worse off. | 流血,杀戮,经济破坏,使每个人都更加糟糕. |
| 219 | The only pathway to think back to peace and prosperity is what the president is trying to accomplish. | 回想和平与繁荣的唯一途径是总统努力实现的目标。 |
| 220 | And now we look back in time and we see Joe Biden was beginning to understand that the patience of the American people is running thin. | 现在我们回顾过去,我们看到乔·拜登开始明白,美国人民的耐心正在消逝。 |
| 221 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 222 | Hundreds of billions of dollars for a nation with nearly 40 trillion in debt. | 一个负债近40万亿的国家需要数千亿美元。 |
| 223 | I mean, it's too much. | 我的意思是,这是太多。 |
| 224 | Well, Sean, this is an important point, though, because I was a United States senator, of course, for the last two years of the Biden administration. | 肖恩,这很重要,不过, 因为我是美国参议员, 当然,在拜登政府的最后两年。 |
| 225 | I got elected in 2022. | 2022年当选. |
| 226 | I think you like this job better. | 我觉得你更喜欢这份工作 |
| 227 | I think I like this job a lot better. | 我想我更喜欢这份工作 |
| 228 | I certainly like the president a lot better. | 我当然更喜欢总统 |
| 229 | And here's the thing, you know, when you would talk to the Biden administration officials in private, | 是这样的,你知道, 当你要私下与拜登政府官员交谈, |
| 230 | this is another example of a terrible situation the Biden admin left the Trump administration. | 这是拜登执政官离开特朗普政府的可怕局面的又一个例子. |
| 231 | When you ask them, what's the plan? | 当你问他们,有什么计划? |
| 232 | OK, we're going to spend tens of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars in Ukraine. | 好吧,我们将花费数百亿美元, 数千亿美元在乌克兰。 |
| 233 | What is your plan? | 你的计划是什么? |
| 234 | And they would honestly tell you, well, we're just going to send them weapons for as long as we can and hope eventually they can turn the tide. | 他们会诚实地告诉你,我们只是要 给他们武器的时间,只要我们能,希望他们最终能扭转局面。 |
| 235 | Hope is not a strategy. | 希望不是战略。 |
| 236 | Throwing money and ammunition at a terrible conflict, that is not a strategy. | 把金钱和弹药投向一场可怕的冲突,这不是一项战略。 |
| 237 | The only guy in town with a strategy is the president of the United States, and everybody needs to follow his lead. | 镇上唯一有策略的人是美国总统,每个人都需要跟随他的领导. |
| 238 | What scares me is Zelensky, when he says it's going to go on for years, how many more lives are going to be lost? | 我最害怕的是泽伦斯基, 当他说它要持续多年, 有多少生命会失去? |
| 239 | He's not going to have a country to save at the end of that. | 他不会有一个国家 保存在那结束时。 |
| 240 | The minerals deal would have provided the monies to rebuild their country and a strong US presence and maybe European troops as well. | 矿产交易本可以提供钱 重建他们的国家 和强大的美国存在 和也许欧洲军队。 |
| 241 | And this is an important part of it. | 这是其中的一个重要部分。 |
| 242 | The president knows that, look, if you want real security guarantees, if you want to actually ensure that Vladimir Putin does not invade Ukraine again, | 总统知道 如果你想要真正的安全保障 如果你想确保弗拉基米尔·普京 不再入侵乌克兰 |
| 243 | the very best security guarantee is to give Americans economic upside in the future of Ukraine. | 最好的安全保障就是在乌克兰的未来给美国人带来经济上的胜利。 |
| 244 | That is a way better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years. | 这比一些30年或40年没有开战的随机国家 的两万军队有更好的安全保障 |
| 245 | The security guarantee and also the economic guarantee for Ukraine is to rebuild the country and ensure that America has a long-term interest. | 乌克兰的安全保障和经济保障是重建国家,确保美国有长远利益. |
| 246 | You're not going to do that if you come to the Oval Office, insult the president and refuse to follow his plan for peace. | 如果你来到总统办公室 侮辱总统 拒绝服从总统的和平计划 |
| 247 | If he called, and I hate hypothetical questions, forgive me, if he called tomorrow and said, I am ready to adopt your plan for peace, he can come back? | 如果他打电话来,我讨厌假想的问题,原谅我,如果他明天打电话来,说,我愿意通过你的和平计划,他可以回来吗? |
| 248 | I think that if he called and had a serious proposal for how he was going to engage in the process. | 我认为,如果他打电话来,并有一份认真的建议,说明他将如何参与这一进程。 |
| 249 | Look, there are details that really matter that we're already working on with the Russians. | 听着 有些细节很重要 我们已经和俄国人合作了 |
| 250 | We've already talked with some of our allies. | 我们已经和我们的盟友谈过了 |
| 251 | He needs to engage seriously on the details. | 他需要认真对待细节 |
| 252 | I think once that happens, then absolutely we want to talk to you. | 我想一旦发生这种情况 我们绝对想和你谈谈 |
| 253 | Are you convinced Putin and the Russians are willing to meet them? | 你相信普京和俄国人愿意见到他们吗? |
| 254 | I don't want to say the word halfway. | 我不想说半个字 |
| 255 | They're willing to do their part to achieve a negotiated settlement. | 他们愿意尽自己的一份力量实现谈判解决. |
| 256 | Am I convinced? | 我确信吗? |
| 257 | No. | 没有 |
| 258 | But do I think that there's a real pathway? | 但我认为有一条真正的路径吗? |
| 259 | You've got to trust but verify. | 你必须信任但必须核实。 |
| 260 | You've got to engage in the negotiation. | 你必须参与谈判 |
| 261 | You've got to see what steps people are willing to take. | 你得看看人们愿意采取什么步骤 |
| 262 | This is another thing, Sean, obviously I'm biased because I really love the guy. | 这是另一回事 Sean 显然我偏执是因为我真的爱他 |
| 263 | But when the media attacks President Trump as somehow on the side of Putin, two big problems that. | 但当媒体攻击特朗普总统时, |
| 264 | First of all, the only president in 20 years where you haven't had the Russians take a bunch of territory was under the first term of Donald J. Trump. | 首先,20年来你唯一没有让俄国人占领一连串领地的总统,是在唐纳德·特朗普的第一个任期之下. |
| 265 | The second part of that is you've got to actually accept that President Trump, he's not just assuming that everything the Russians tell him is true. | 第二部分你必须承认川普总统 他不只是假设俄国人告诉他的一切都是真的 |
| 266 | He's negotiating with them. | 他在和他们谈判 |
| 267 | There's a give and take. | 有报有报. |
| 268 | There's a trust but verify. | 有信但证. |
| 269 | That's called diplomacy. | 这就是所谓的外交。 |
| 270 | We used to have some respect for that in Washington, D.C. | 我们曾经在华盛顿特区受到某种尊重。 |
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