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以色列总理内塔尼亚胡否认和川普关系破裂 | 2026.7.6

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0:01For more on the Iran peace talks and the future of US-Israel relations also what's next for the region对于伊朗和谈 以及美以关系的未来,
0:07I'm joined now for an exclusive interview with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister我现在加入专访以色列总理本雅明·内塔尼亚胡
0:12Thank you so much for joining the Sunday briefing sir谢谢你参加周日的通报会 长官
0:15Well good to be with you Jackie and again congratulations on your marriage.很高兴和你在一起 Jackie 再次祝贺你的婚姻
0:19Thank you very much Prime Minister非常感谢首相
0:22I want to jump right in your relationship with the US President has faced some我想跳进你和美国总统的关系 面对一些
0:27Recent tests over Iran, but you shared a very warm call marking the 250th birthday of this country最近对伊朗的测试,但你分享了一个非常热烈的呼唤,标志着这个国家的250岁生日
0:35You called the US a guarantor of global freedom, and you arranged a meeting here in the US soon你称美国是全球自由的保障者 你很快安排了在美国开会
0:40When is that meeting set to happen and should people take this as some signal that any potential rift has been mended?那次会议何时举行,人们是否应该把这次会议当作一个信号,表明任何潜在的裂痕都已修正?
0:49I don't think there's a rift.我不认为有裂痕。
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1For more on the Iran peace talks and the future of US-Israel relations also what's next for the region对于伊朗和谈 以及美以关系的未来,
2I'm joined now for an exclusive interview with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister我现在加入专访以色列总理本雅明·内塔尼亚胡
3Thank you so much for joining the Sunday briefing sir谢谢你参加周日的通报会 长官
4Well good to be with you Jackie and again congratulations on your marriage.很高兴和你在一起 Jackie 再次祝贺你的婚姻
5Thank you very much Prime Minister非常感谢首相
6I want to jump right in your relationship with the US President has faced some我想跳进你和美国总统的关系 面对一些
7Recent tests over Iran, but you shared a very warm call marking the 250th birthday of this country最近对伊朗的测试,但你分享了一个非常热烈的呼唤,标志着这个国家的250岁生日
8You called the US a guarantor of global freedom, and you arranged a meeting here in the US soon你称美国是全球自由的保障者 你很快安排了在美国开会
9When is that meeting set to happen and should people take this as some signal that any potential rift has been mended?那次会议何时举行,人们是否应该把这次会议当作一个信号,表明任何潜在的裂痕都已修正?
10I don't think there's a rift.我不认为有裂痕。
11We are我们是
12America called us the model ally because we are unlike many of your so-called allies美国称我们为模范盟友 因为我们不像很多所谓的盟友
13We actually fight alongside you我们真的跟你并肩作战
14Our brave soldiers and your brave soldiers fight shoulder to shoulder我们勇敢的士兵和你们勇敢的士兵 肩并肩战斗
15I think America has no greater ally than Israel and Israel has no greater ally than the United States now我认为美国没有比以色列更大的盟友,以色列也没有比美国现在更大的盟友.
16Let me tell you this President Trump is the leader of the United States.让我告诉你这位特朗普总统是美国领导人.
17He does what's good for America他做对美国有好处的事
18I'm the leader of Israel the one and only Jewish state I do what's good for Israel我是以色列领导人 我做对以色列有好处的唯一犹太国家
1999% of the time we see eye to eye99%的时间,我们看到对面
20But as any in any family in any close friendship there are sometimes differences of opinion and we discuss them openly但是,像任何一家人一样,在任何亲密的友谊中,有时存在意见分歧,我们公开讨论这些分歧。
21I can tell you in a free spirit and usually we resolve them to我可以以自由的精神告诉你 通常我们决定
22That that free spirited debate has made some headlines recently last month the president made clear that上个月,总统明确表示,
23You're going to have to accept whatever deal with Iran that the US reaches he told the Financial Times你将不得不接受任何与伊朗的交易 与美国接触,他告诉金融时报
24He won't have any choice他别无选择
25I call the shots and then he doubled down on this yesterday telling Axios Netanyahu knows who who the boss is我负责调查,然后他昨天翻了一番 告诉亚克索斯·内塔尼亚胡知道谁是老板
26Do you accept that the US would have final say when American and Israeli interests diverge?你是否接受当美国和以色列的利益有分歧时,美国有最后发言权?
27Well, first of all, let me say that we have an excellent relationship at which is defined as I said between allies首先,让我说,我们的关系很好 就像我所说的盟友之间
28He's obviously the leader of the United States, which happily is the leader of the world and Israel is他显然是美国领导人, 幸福地是世界领导人,以色列是
29Very strong vibrant democratic state充满活力的民主国家
30In fact the only democratic state in the Middle East and a very large radius and we're we're great allies事实上,中东唯一的民主国家 和非常大的半径 我们是伟大的盟友
31I think that the the real question is do we have differing goals when it comes to我认为,真正的问题是,我们是否有不同的目标,如果涉及到
32Iran and the answer is no we are set on the same goal伊朗和答案是否定的 我们被设定在同一个目标上
33We want to see Iran give up its nuclear weapons program.我们希望看到伊朗放弃其核武器计划。
34We want to see the nuclear enriched material removed我们希望看到浓缩核材料被移除
35We want to see the enrichment sites for nuclear material我们想看看核材料的浓缩场
36Dismantled we have other common objectives and President Trump believes that after the battery that the two of us Israel and特朗普总统认为,我们以色列和以色列两国在遭到殴打之后,
37United States and Israel gave to Iran.美国和以色列给予伊朗。
38He thinks that he can generate enough他认为他能产生足够的能量
39Liway enough pressure through the negotiations to get these goals achieved and通过谈判施加足够的压力,以实现这些目标,
40You know, we respect that and I hope he succeeds but I can tell you this你知道,我们尊重这一点 我希望他成功 但我可以告诉你
41Deal or no deal as long as I'm prime minister只要我当上首相,就不要交易
42Iran will not have nuclear weapons on this memorandum of understanding you're referring to you know在这份谅解备忘录上伊朗不会有核武器 你知道
43In the meantime Iran has been doubling down on its intention to charge tolls in the Strait of Hormuz与此同时,伊朗在霍尔穆兹海峡收取费用的意图已经加倍。
44They've been cashing in on the 60-day sanctions waiver and according to the Institute for the study of war他们已经兑现了60天的制裁豁免 根据战争研究所的资料
45They've also been fortifying tunnel entrances at some of the nuclear sites and reconstituting their defenses他们还在加固一些核基地的隧道入口 并重建防御工事
46many of your supporters have argued that Iran came out ahead in this negotiation the regime is still in power there are key elements of许多你的支持者认为,伊朗在这场谈判中走在前面,但伊朗政权仍然在执政之中。
47The nuclear program that are still intact and the waiver could reportedly generate billions for the regime over these 60 days据报道,在过去60天里,仍然完好无损的核计划和放弃可能为该政权带来数十亿美元的收益
48The president reportedly has told AIDS he is okay if these talks blow past the August 18th deadline for a nuclear agreement据报道,总统告诉艾滋,如果这些会谈在核协议的8月18日最后期限之前破裂,他就没事了.
49Are you okay with that?你同意吗?
50Look, did you ever go to the opera?你上过歌剧吗?
51I mean, I'm not a big opera fan我不是歌剧迷
52But when I came to the opera the first time they gave me the cliche, you know但当我第一次来歌剧时 他们给了我陈词滥调 你知道
53It's not over until the fat lady sings and you know what it was over after she sang直到那个胖女人唱完歌 你知道她唱完歌后会怎样
54In that particular concert.在那场音乐会上
55I would say it's not over.我会说还没结束
56I would judge it when it's over等它结束了,我会判断它
57But as I said, I think the most important thing is that we have a common goal但是,正如我所说,我认为最重要的是,我们有一个共同的目标
58And that means Iran cannot have nuclear weapons or the capacity to make nuclear weapons这意味着伊朗不能拥有核武器或制造核武器的能力
59There are other goals as well还有其他目标
60And I think I think we've been very lucky that President Trump is leading the United States我认为我们很幸运 川普总统正在领导美国
61Leading the free world in this common effort and believe me if I have things that I want to point out to them领导自由世界共同奋斗,相信我 如果我有事情要告诉他们
62And bring my own opinions.并带来我自己的意见。
63I do so in a free way我这样做是自由的
64And when he has things he wants to tell me he does that in a free way, too当他有事情要告诉我时 他也会自由行事
65That's what friends and allies do with each other朋友和盟友都是这样
66Your defense minister indicated that Israel is prepping a unilateral strike package for Iran你的国防部长表示,以色列正在为伊朗准备一个单方面的打击计划
67First of all, is that true?首先,这是真的吗?
68But second would carrying that out be more politically difficult if you chose to go there after the vice president said this listen here但第二,如果副总统说这话之后 你选择去那儿 会比较困难
69Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world唐纳德·特朗普是全世界唯一的国家元首
70Who is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time?此时此刻,谁同情以色列民族?
71And he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower if I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government他恰好是世界超级大国的国家元首 如果我在以色列政府的内阁里
72I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world我可能不是在攻击 全世界唯一强大的盟友
73What was your reaction when you heard that?你听到这个后有什么反应?
74First of all, I respect JD Vance.首先,我尊重万斯博士
75We have a very good relationship我们的关系很好
76But doesn't mean that I agree with everything that he says and I have to point out this但并不意味着我同意他所说的一切 我必须指出这一点
77Donald Trump is a great唐纳德·特朗普是个好人
78The greatest friend we ever had in the White House白宫里最伟大的朋友
79And I stand by that completely我完全坚持
80Secondly, we have some other friends like a small country called India.第二,我们还有一些朋友,比如一个名叫印度的小国。
81You know, it has你知道,它已经
821.4 billion people14亿人
83and boy还有男孩
84Do we have a tremendous support there, you know about this Facebook thing and I'm just我们有一个巨大的支持 那里,你知道 Facebook的事情,我只是
85Flooded by by these by the overwhelming support there and we have many others.被那里压倒性的支持淹没,我们还有许多其他支持。
86Let me tell you where we have让我告诉你我们在哪里
87support because it's fashionable now and you know in many countries because their media and their social media are支持是因为它现在很时髦 并且你知道在很多国家 因为他们的媒体和社交媒体
88inundated with anti-israel anti-semitic浸透了反伊斯雷尔反母体
89material材料
90Many leaders, you know call me up and say hey look, I've got this problem with public opinion很多领导,你知不知道,打电话给我 说,嘿,看,我有这个问题 与舆论
91But I want you to know we respect you and can we make some deals and can you teach us some of the things?但我要你知道我们尊重你 我们可以做一些交易 你能教我们一些东西吗?
92That your military does and can we have some of your AI and cyber expertise?你的军队也这样做 我们能有你的人工智能和网络专业知识吗?
93You know, Israel is the number two country in cyber in the world and our technology is so good你知道,以色列是世界网络排名第二的国家, 我们的技术是那么好
94you're so the relations are not quite as they appear and we have你是如此的 关系不完全 他们看起来,我们有
95We have many many friends and I have to tell you we also take care of our friends我们有很多朋友 我得告诉你 我们也照顾好我们的朋友
96Especially the Christians in the Middle East the Christian villages in Lebanon特别是中东的基督教徒 黎巴嫩的基督教村落
97Some of them have actually asked to be a next to Israel because we protect them against the Hezbollah他们中有些人实际上要求成为以色列的邻居,因为我们保护他们不受真主党的伤害。
98Hezbollah真主党
99Fanatics who want to kill them and we do the same things with Christians everywhere幻想者谁想杀了他们 我们做同样的事情 在各地基督徒
100Well, you're leading Christians in the Middle East you're touching on my next question because a source close to the vice嗯,你领导 基督徒在中东 你触摸我的下一个问题, 因为一个来源接近恶性
101President's team told Politico that that statement that he made总统小组告诉波利蒂科,他所说的
102Reflects his view of this new political reality where quote the vice president sees that the ground is shifting against Israel among voters反映他对于这一新政治现实的看法,
103Including with younger Republicans.包括年轻共和党人.
104He's responding accordingly with nuance instead of stride and see他的反应是细微的 而不是步调和看
105Do you take that as a warning that if Israel were to act alone the Trump administration would?难道你认为这是警告 如果以色列独自行动 川普政府会吗?
106Withhold its backing放弃支持
107Well, first of all, it concerns me that there's that element of anti-israel嗯,首先,我担心的是,有 反伊斯雷尔的元素
108first of all in the Democratic Party and in the首先在民主党和
109Walk, right?走,对不对?
110I'm concerned with that and to the extent that we can do something to to mend it我关心这一点,而且只要我们能做点什么来弥补它
111Obviously, I'll do it but I find that there's something unique about显然,我会做到这一点,但我发现 有一些独特的
112These attacks and that's something is that this the people who who hate Israel end up hating America这些攻击,这就是说,这些仇恨以色列的人 最终会恨美国
113And I've seen that, you know when they do these我见过,你知道当他们这样做
114You know these demonstrations these protests against Israel against Israel defending itself this tiny country defending itself against these你知道这些示威游行... 抗议以色列... 保卫自己...
115terrorist murderers who commit to exterminate us and杀害我们和
116We do what any self-respecting country would do we defend ourselves我们做任何有自尊的国家 我们都会保护自己
117But when they do the protest they burn Israeli flags and very often right next to them但当他们进行抗议时,他们烧了以色列国旗,而且常常在他们的旁边。
118They burn American flags, but when those Americans who support Israel他们烧了美国国旗 但当那些支持以色列的美国人
119Non-jews and Jews alike when they do非犹太人和犹太人一样
120Demonstration suits to support Israel they wave支持以色列的示威游行,他们挥舞
121The Israeli flag and they wave the American flag以色列国旗 他们挥动美国国旗
122so I think there's a process taking place inside America, which you probably know better than me of所以,我认为有一个过程正在 美国内部, 你可能比我更清楚
123questioning America's traditional values and going to many places that I think challenge our质疑美国的传统价值观 并去很多我认为挑战我们的地方
124Not our not only our alliance but they challenge the traditional values that form the basis of each of our countries不仅我们的联盟,而且它们挑战着构成我们每个国家基础的传统价值观
125And I hope that's not something that is going to proceed.我希望这不会继续。
126I hope America我希望美国
127Changes direction.改变方向。
128That's really what I hope to see and and you're touching on this growing trend of anti-semitism这正是我所希望看到的 而你却在触及这种 日益增长的反分裂主义趋势
129Especially among young people and I'm going to ask you about that next but just to put a pin in this piece of the conversation特别是在年轻人中,我要问你 下一步,但只是把针 在谈话的这一段
130You know, what do you say to critics who?你对批评者怎么说?
131Argue that Israel has embraced sort of a permanent state of war声称以色列已经接受了一种永久的战争状态
132And that there's not really an endgame here because they point to places like Gaza and say that Hamas因为他们指向加沙 说哈马斯
133You know is still in power.你知道还有权力
134They haven't laid down their arms他们还没放下武器
135You know, what do you say to those critics who accuse Israel of being in a permanent state of war?你对那些指责以色列处于永久战争状态的批评者怎么说?
136We're not in permanent state of war.我们不是处于永久的战争状态.
137I myself we are with President Trump.我和川普总统在一起
138We brought to the fourth for peace deals我们把第四场交易带来了
139That's what we did Abraham accords and I believe with the weakening of the Iran which has been achieved by our common action这就是我们做的亚伯拉罕协议 我相信伊朗的弱化 通过我们的共同行动
140Our common military action.我们的共同军事行动。
141I think we're going to get more because我想我们会得到更多的,因为
142Because countries would like to align with us and to protect their future and also their prosperity Israel is a powerhouse因为各国愿意与我们保持一致,保护他们的未来和繁荣,以色列是一个强国。
143I mean, it's a it's an engine of innovation of AI of我的意思是,这是一个它的引擎 创新AI的
144quantum of数量
145Just of everything so I don't see that but I'll tell you one thing I think that只是所有事情,所以我不看 但我会告诉你一件事,我想
146The Lebanon deal has shown that we have more cards to play黎巴嫩协议显示,我们有更多的牌要玩
147Lebanon would like to free itself of his Bala these his Bala terrorists who are you know making their life miserable and it's not only the黎巴嫩想从他的巴拉身上解放出这些巴拉恐怖分子 你们知道这些恐怖分子 使他们的生活悲惨
148Christians in Lebanon who asked for our protection.黎巴嫩基督徒要求我们保护。
149It's the Druze.是德乐者.
150It's Muslims这是穆斯林
151The Sunni Muslims and quite a few of the Shiite Muslims too.逊尼派穆斯林和相当一部分什叶派穆斯林也是.
152Okay, they'd like to free Lebanon好,他们想解放黎巴嫩
153I hope we can get more peace deals and I can tell you我希望我们能得到更多的和平协议 我可以告诉你
154You know, if you want to have peace你知道,如果你想有平静
155You better be able to protect yourself against those who want to annihilate you we do that but in defending ourselves你最好能保护自己 对抗那些想要毁灭你的人 我们这样做,但保护自己
156We're defending our common civilization the people who chant death to America last point Jackie the funeral in the funeral我们在捍卫我们共同的文明 那些向美国高呼死亡的人们 最后一点成龙在葬礼上的葬礼
157of Khomeini which was held yesterday昨天举行的霍梅尼会议
158They chanted the Iranians including the organizers.他们呼喊伊朗人,包括组织者。
159They not only chanted death to America他们不仅向美国高呼死亡
160They said kill Trump他们说杀了特朗普
161They chanted death to Trump.他们向特朗普高呼死亡
162Yeah.
163Well, you're not gonna hear that in Israel在以色列你不会听到的
164Israel is the best ally the United States as以色列是美国最好的盟友
165anywhere around the world and that brings me here because I want to make sure that we talk about this这让我来到这里 因为我想确保我们讨论这个
166sweep of democratic socialists on the left in America who have unseated a number of扫荡了美国左翼的民主社会主义者 他们已经解脱了一些
167Moderate even some progressive incumbents who are very well funded happened in New York happened in Colorado and for many of these candidates甚至有一些资金充足的进步在职者在纽约也发生了科罗拉多州的情况,对于其中许多候选人来说
168Israel's becoming their purity test.以色列正在成为他们的纯度测试
169Listen to this听听这个
170So that was California State Senator Scott Wiener Jewish Democrat, he's called the war in Gaza a genocide那是加州州参议员斯科特·维纳犹太民主党人 他称加沙战争是种族灭绝
171He opposes US funding for Israel and he was driven out of the annual trans rally by activists raging about his Zionist他反对美国资助以色列,
172Handlers and then you've got Congressman Dan Goldman also Jewish.汉德勒斯 还有丹·戈德曼议员 还有犹太人
173He just lost his primary over his ties to AIPAC他刚因为和AIPAC的关系而失去主力
174Despite being one of your most vocal critics.尽管你是最有声的批评者之一。
175So what do you think is happening here in America?你觉得美国发生了什么?
176I think there's a obviously a我想显然有一个
177very anti非常反对
178Israel and an anti-american以色列和反美
179Wave and I think they're connected because then challenge look at deeper look at the values that there"波"和"我认为它们是相连的" 因为那样的挑战就更深入地看那里的价值
180What do they want to see that they want to see a strong America defending America's interests and他们想看到什么 他们希望看到一个强大的美国 捍卫美国的利益和
181around the world世界各地
182When it's necessary or do they want to see a different America?必要的时候还是他们想见不同的美国?
183And of course also on the foundations of free markets, for example that I believe in very strongly当然也建立在自由市场的基础上 比如我坚信
184And that many Americans have believed it and I think they made America great许多美国人相信这一点 我认为他们让美国变得伟大
185No, they challenge that too不,他们也质疑
186So I think there's a correlation between that and unfortunately people who know better I would say who should know better所以我觉得这和不幸的人之间 有关系 谁更清楚,我会说谁更了解
187But I think they all know better and these people are let themselves be swept by these但我认为他们都更清楚 这些人会被这些
188irrational非理性
189Irrational protests and this these these无理抗议和这些
190You know this very你知道这一点
191Toxic毒性
192Ideology, I don't think it lasts because I think America, you know America can try it意识形态,我不认为它持续 因为我认为美国,你知道 美国可以尝试它
193Okay, you know just try it try socialism final work.好吧,你知道只是试试它 尝试社会主义的最后工作。
194We tried it.我们试过了
195We tried it here.我们试过了
196It didn't work that much没用的
197So I did I decided to try free markets who worked a lot better and you know所以我决定尝试自由市场 谁工作得更好 你知道
198Americans will eventually get that picture to final word here with about 15 seconds left美国人最终会用15秒左右的时间 把照片写到最后
199Taken together what the vice president said about younger Republicans and what we're seeing with this growing radicalism on the left将副总统所说的 年轻共和党人和我们所看到的 与左翼不断增长的激进主义结合起来
200Are you worried about the long-term durability of the u.s. Israel relationship?你担心美国人的长期耐久性吗? 以色列关系?
201I worry about the trends that I see I won't tell you that I'm not worried about it because I think我担心看到的趋势 我不会告诉你我不担心 因为我想
202it has something to do with the frankly with the social media with a penetration of这和社交媒体的渗透有关
203Of social media that has been used and abused by countries three in particular特别是3个国家使用和滥用的社交媒体。
204and they had you know bought farms that push the stuff against America and against Israel and他们已经买下了农场 将那些东西推向美国和以色列
205It focuses on young people and young Americans and I can't say that I'm not worried about the effect that it has它专注于年轻人和年轻的美国人 我不能说 我不担心它的效果
206How do you combat this?你怎么对付这个?
207It's hard because democratic countries因为民主国家很难
208Don't have the ability to fight this你没有这个能力
209You know this bot war and with the same means we are accountable.你知道这场机器人战争 也意味着我们有责任
210We have we're transparent.我们有透明度。
211It's not so simple没那么简单
212but I think you'll see a correlation between the penetration of certain social media and the decline in但我想你会看到 某些社交媒体的渗透 和下降的关联
213Patriotic American feelings and support for Israel.美国爱国主义的感情和对以色列的支持.
214Okay, it's something we have to deal with but am I worried about it?好吧,这是我们必须处理的事情 但我担心吗?
215Look, I think that I think that our alliance is not merely based on common interest听着,我觉得我们的联盟 不仅仅是基于共同利益
216I think it's based on common values and as long as我认为它是基于共同的价值观,只要
217We stick to those common values freedom the right of every individual to live and not be slaughtered by fanatics我们坚持这些共同的价值观,自由每个人的生活权利,不受狂热分子的屠杀。
218People should have free choice in their lives.人们在生活中应有自由选择.
219Okay, and of course to have our common heritage好吧,当然还有我们的共同遗产
220Which is brought so much to the world.给世界带来了很多东西
221I think as long as we have that our alliance will be fine我认为只要我们有 我们的联盟是好的
222We'll have to leave it there anything the most important thing that I can say我们必须把它留在那里 我能说的最重要的事情
223Jackie in closing is that I want to wish you and the people of AmericaJackie在结尾是,我要祝愿你和美国人民
224happy 4th of July七月四号快乐
225250 years of freedom and frankly 250 years of defending freedom250年自由 坦率地说,250年捍卫自由
226America has been the stellar force in this century and in the past one in modern times if you hadn't had America you'd have美国是这个世纪和过去 现代的强大力量 如果你没有美国的话
227Nazi totalitarianism Stalin totalitarianism and纳粹极权主义 斯大林极权主义
228Others and I think America has been a great force for good.其他人和我认为美国是一股伟大的好力量。
229That doesn't mean that it's perfect这不代表它很完美
230Israel is not perfect either以色列也不尽善尽美
231Okay, but it has been a force for immense good and our alliance has been a terrific one好吧,但它一直是一股力量 巨大的好,我们的联盟 是一个伟大的
232And it'll continue to the extent that I have anything to do with it and the people of Israel who are unabashedly它会一直持续到 我和它有任何关系 和以色列人民无耻
233pro-american亲美
234Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, we'll have to leave it there.本雅明·内塔尼亚胡总理 我们必须把它留在那
235We are out of time always appreciate talking to you, sir我们时间不多了,老是想和你说话
236Thank you for joining us once again on the Sunday briefing and hope to see you again soon感谢您再次参加周日的通报会 希望您能很快再见面
237Thank You Jackie.谢谢你,杰基。
238Happy 4th of July.七月四日快乐.
239Thank you谢谢
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