北约秘书长解释欧洲数十年来最大军事变革 | 2026.7.3
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| 0:03 | The leaders of NATO's 32 member countries are getting ready to meet in Ankara next week | 北约32个成员国的领导人准备下周在安卡拉开会 |
| 0:07 | for a summit. | 为高峰。 |
| 0:08 | The aim is to show unity, but behind the scenes there's nervousness about potential U.S. force | 目的是显示团结,但幕后对潜在的美国力量感到紧张 |
| 0:13 | drawdowns and lagging defense production. | 缩编,国防生产滞后. |
| 0:16 | I'm at NATO headquarters in Brussels to ask Secretary General Mark Rutte how he plans | 我现在在布鲁塞尔北约总部 问马克·鲁特秘书长计划如何 |
| 0:20 | to smooth tensions between President Trump and European allies, and whether Iran will | 以及伊朗是否愿意 |
| 0:25 | be on the agenda. | 列入议程。 |
| 0:28 | Let's jump right in. | 我们跳进去吧 |
| 0:30 | So you've got the NATO summit coming up next week in Ankara. | 下周北约峰会将在安卡拉举行 |
| 0:34 | President Trump will be there. | 川普总统会到场的 |
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| 1 | The leaders of NATO's 32 member countries are getting ready to meet in Ankara next week | 北约32个成员国的领导人准备下周在安卡拉开会 |
| 2 | for a summit. | 为高峰。 |
| 3 | The aim is to show unity, but behind the scenes there's nervousness about potential U.S. force | 目的是显示团结,但幕后对潜在的美国力量感到紧张 |
| 4 | drawdowns and lagging defense production. | 缩编,国防生产滞后. |
| 5 | I'm at NATO headquarters in Brussels to ask Secretary General Mark Rutte how he plans | 我现在在布鲁塞尔北约总部 问马克·鲁特秘书长计划如何 |
| 6 | to smooth tensions between President Trump and European allies, and whether Iran will | 以及伊朗是否愿意 |
| 7 | be on the agenda. | 列入议程。 |
| 8 | Let's jump right in. | 我们跳进去吧 |
| 9 | So you've got the NATO summit coming up next week in Ankara. | 下周北约峰会将在安卡拉举行 |
| 10 | President Trump will be there. | 川普总统会到场的 |
| 11 | You'll also have a bunch of European leaders with whom the president has been quite publicly | 你们也会有一群欧洲领导人 总统和他们很公开 |
| 12 | at odds. | 很难说 |
| 13 | What do you think the atmosphere is going to be like? | 你觉得气氛会怎么样? |
| 14 | Good. | 不错 |
| 15 | We have seen the G7 two weeks ago, which was a big success, which was a joint statement. | 两周前,我们看到七国集团取得了巨大成功,是一项联合声明。 |
| 16 | I think there's a positive story, and the positive story is that Europe is really stepping | 我认为有一个正面的故事, 正面的故事是,欧洲真的正在步入 |
| 17 | up. | 起来 |
| 18 | And this is exactly what the president asked from the Europeans. | 这就是总统从欧洲人那里问的。 |
| 19 | Of course, Europeans are stepping up not only because of President Trump, but also because | 当然,欧洲人正在加紧,不仅因为特朗普总统,而且因为 |
| 20 | of the Russian threat, the war in Ukraine. | 俄国威胁,乌克兰战争 |
| 21 | But Trump was very clear that he expected Europe to take a bigger share of the burden, | 但特朗普非常清楚,他期望欧洲承担更大的负担, |
| 22 | to equalize the spending with the U.S., and this is exactly what step by step is now happening. | 使支出与美国相等, 而这正是正在逐步发生的情况。 |
| 23 | Will Iran be on the agenda? | 伊朗会列入议程吗? |
| 24 | It is not formally on the agenda, as Iran, of course, is outside NATO territory. | 它没有正式列入议程,因为伊朗当然不在北约的领土上。 |
| 25 | But, of course, freedom of navigation, what's happening there, the fact that the American | 但是,当然,航行自由, 发生了什么事,美国 |
| 26 | president has successfully degraded Iranians nuclear capability, always being a longstanding | 总统成功地削弱了伊朗的核能力, 永远是一个长期的 |
| 27 | position of NATO that Iran should not get its hands on the nuclear capability. | 北约的立场是,伊朗不应掌握核能力。 |
| 28 | And the fact that that has been degraded now to an extent where we are all safer. | 而事实上,它已经退化到 在某种程度上,我们都更安全。 |
| 29 | I think we can thank the president for that and compliment him for that. | 我想我们可以为此感谢总统,并赞扬他。 |
| 30 | When you saw the president in Washington last week, he talked about wanting to see loyalty | 你上周在华盛顿见到总统时 他谈到要看到忠诚 |
| 31 | from the allies. | 从盟友。 |
| 32 | We're so loyal to them, we're always fighting for them. | 我们如此忠于他们,总是为他们而战. |
| 33 | We have thousands of troops all over Europe. | 我们在欧洲各地有数千人的部队。 |
| 34 | In Germany, we have 50,000 troops, and then you want a little, give us a little nudge, | 在德国,我们有5万军队, 然后你想要一点,给我们一点动力, |
| 35 | give us a little kiss. | 给我们一个小吻。 |
| 36 | We don't want much. | 我们不想要很多。 |
| 37 | And they say, no, we can't do it. | 他们说,不,我们不能这样做。 |
| 38 | Do you think NATO does have a role to play in the conflict, maybe in opening the strait? | 你认为北约在冲突中,也许在打开海峡中,确实可以发挥作用吗? |
| 39 | Well, when it comes to NATO as such, if we can be helpful, we will always be helpful. | 在北约问题上,如果我们能有所帮助,我们将永远有所帮助。 |
| 40 | But I think it is more like individual allies who are helping here. | 但我认为更像是 个人盟友正在帮助这里。 |
| 41 | So what we are seeing is that the French and the British brought together a whole coalition | 因此,我们看到的是,法国和英国 集合了整个联盟 |
| 42 | of countries, many of them NATO allies, some from outside NATO, prepositioning key gear | 国家,其中很多是北约盟国,有些来自北约之外,预先摆放关键装备 |
| 43 | close to theater, for example, demining capabilities close to theater. | 例如,接近剧院的排雷能力。 |
| 44 | I don't think we're going to need much help, but I don't think it's a bad idea to have | 我觉得我们不需要很多帮助 但我不觉得有这种帮助是件坏事 |
| 45 | a ship or two up here from a few countries. | 有一两艘来自几个国家的船 |
| 46 | You'd be a great country to do it. | 你会是一个伟大的国家做到这一点。 |
| 47 | That might come up next week. | 下星期可能会出现这种情况。 |
| 48 | It might not come up. | 它可能不会出现。 |
| 49 | But I think this principle of freedom of navigation, of course, is extremely important. | 但我认为这种航行自由的原则当然是极其重要的. |
| 50 | NATO always willing to be helpful. | 北约总是愿意提供帮助。 |
| 51 | But I think this French-British initiative is important here. | 但我认为这个法英倡议在这里很重要. |
| 52 | And how important would you say bases in NATO territory have been to the conduct of the | 你说北约领土上的基地 对北约的行动有多重要? |
| 53 | American war? | 美国战争? |
| 54 | I think crucial. | 我认为至关重要。 |
| 55 | Europe, again, was one big power projection platform for the United States. | 欧洲也是美国的大型电力投影平台。 |
| 56 | We have seen between four and five thousand US planes taking off from European bases in | 我们看见四到五千架美国飞机 从欧洲基地起飞 |
| 57 | those six, seven weeks till the ceasefire in April. | 离4月停火还有六、七个星期。 |
| 58 | And I think that has been very important. | 我认为这是非常重要的。 |
| 59 | Did the US brief NATO before the war started? | 美国在战争开始前的北约简报吗? |
| 60 | I can never mention to you what we discussed, yes or no, behind closed doors. | 我永远不能向你们提及我们私下讨论的,是还是不是。 |
| 61 | Clearly, the president himself made public that he wanted to maintain an element of surprise | 显然,总统本人公开说,他想要保持一个惊喜的因素 |
| 62 | when the war started. | 战争开始的时候 |
| 63 | We didn't need any help at all. | 我们根本不需要任何帮助 |
| 64 | I was more curious than anything else. | 我比其他任何东西都好奇 |
| 65 | So I said to Pete, let's see if they'd actually come. | 所以我对皮特说 看看他们是否真的来了 |
| 66 | So we asked them to come and they weren't there for us. | 所以我们叫他们来,他们不在那里 |
| 67 | So we spent it stupid that they weren't. | 所以我们花了它愚蠢的 他们不是。 |
| 68 | Transatlantic relations are probably at their lowest point in decades. | 跨大西洋关系可能处于几十年来的最低点。 |
| 69 | Some people say since the Suez crisis in the 1950s. | 有些人说,自1950年代苏伊士危机以来. |
| 70 | Does that your sense and do you think it's affecting the alliance? | 你觉得这是否影响了联盟? |
| 71 | I don't take that at all. | 我一点也不接受 |
| 72 | No, no, no. | 不,不,没有。 |
| 73 | Of course, you are totally entitled to ask me the question. | 当然,你完全有权问我这个问题。 |
| 74 | No, I have a totally different view. | 不,我有一个完全不同的观点。 |
| 75 | I think they are very strong. | 我觉得他们很强壮 |
| 76 | What was the problem? | 有什么问题? |
| 77 | So we had NATO 1.0, which was the NATO of the Cold War, strong. | 因此,我们有北约1.0, 这是冷战的北约,是强大的。 |
| 78 | And then we had NATO 2.0 after the Cold War, which still had an important role to play, | 然后冷战后我们有了北约2.0, 它仍然可以发挥重要作用, |
| 79 | for example, when it came to Afghanistan. | 例如,在阿富汗。 |
| 80 | But also countries in Europe basically starting to draw down their defense spending. | 但欧洲国家也基本上开始削减国防开支。 |
| 81 | And now we have NATO 3.0, where the Europeans are at a staggering rate stepping up. | 现在我们有了北约3.0, 欧洲人正在以惊人的速度升级。 |
| 82 | So we see now in two years, 250 billion US dollars, an extra defense spending from Canada | 两年后我们可以看到 250亿美元 来自加拿大的额外国防开支 |
| 83 | and Europe, which is unequaled, which is massive, which is at the limit of what you can spend | 与欧洲,不平等, 巨大的, 这是极限 你可以花费 |
| 84 | more in one or two years, because you still have to find the men and women in uniform. | 在一两年内, 因为你仍然需要找到 男女穿制服。 |
| 85 | You still have to make sure that the defense industrial output is there. | 仍须确保国防工业产值在那里. |
| 86 | So we are basically reaching the absorption capacity levels. | 所以我们基本上已经达到吸收能力水平。 |
| 87 | When Rutte talks about an absorption problem, there are two big issues. | 当鲁特谈到一个吸收问题时,有两个大的问题. |
| 88 | The first is industrial capacity, the ability of defense companies to make all the arms | 第一是工业能力 国防公司制造武器的能力 |
| 89 | and equipment that are now needed. | 以及现在需要的设备。 |
| 90 | The second is to recruit and train enough soldiers to expand the armed forces. | 二是招募和训练足够的士兵,扩大武装力量. |
| 91 | Both take time. | 两者都需要时间。 |
| 92 | Take, for example, Germany. | 例如德国。 |
| 93 | So we agreed to get a couple of years together because you cannot spend it in one year because | 所以我们同意在一起几年 因为你不能花在一年里 因为... |
| 94 | you have an absorption problem. | 你有一个吸收问题。 |
| 95 | But Germany, for example. | 但以德国为例. |
| 96 | So what are the challenges going forward here as you try to turn this money, you know, folks | 所以,什么是挑战 前进在这里,当你试图 转这笔钱,你知道,人们 |
| 97 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}很多钱都变成了 | |
| 98 | weapons and into stronger militaries. | 成为更强大的军队 |
| 99 | Yes, this is the key issue we have to discuss next week. | 是的,这是我们下周必须讨论的关键问题。 |
| 100 | Now that the money is coming in, defense industrial base is producing more that we really | 现在钱来了,国防工业基地 生产更多,我们真的 |
| 101 | accelerate that base. | 加速基地。 |
| 102 | The Hague a year ago was about a process. | 一年前,海牙是一个进程。 |
| 103 | This summit, when it comes to the money, when it comes to defense output, when it comes | 这次峰会,当涉及到钱, 当涉及到国防产出,当涉及到 |
| 104 | to support for Ukraine, is about delivery. | 支持乌克兰, 是关于交付。 |
| 105 | And the shift in mindset taking place now is that defense has to be core and central | 现在思维的转变是 防御必须是核心和核心 |
| 106 | of what we are doing, because this is about the first task of a government, which is to | 因为这是政府的首要任务, |
| 107 | keep our part of the world and our country safe. | 保护我们的世界和国家的安全 |
| 108 | One billion people living in NATO territory. | 生活在北约领土上的10亿人。 |
| 109 | We've seen the US talk about drawing down conventional forces in Europe. | 我们已经看到美国谈论 削减常规力量在欧洲。 |
| 110 | Obviously, the United States continues to have global commitments that it needs to meet | 显然,美国继续作出它需要履行的全球承诺。 |
| 111 | in terms of our force deployment, and that constantly requires us to re-examine where | 就我们部队的部署而言,这不断要求我们重新审查: |
| 112 | we put troops. | 我们派了部队 |
| 113 | What's the challenge for NATO to ensure that the European allies are ramping up and not | 北约在确保欧洲盟国加强而不是加强 |
| 114 | losing deterrence? | 失去威慑? |
| 115 | What the US announced a couple of weeks ago when it comes to this so-called NATO force | 几周前美国宣布的 关于这支所谓的北约部队 |
| 116 | model, which is a planning tool, is they said, listen, if there will be a two-theater | 模型,这是一个规划工具,他们说, 听着,如果有一个两节奏 |
| 117 | war, let's assume there is a conflict in the Pacific and a conflict in Europe, we want | 我们假设太平洋有冲突 欧洲有冲突 我们希望 |
| 118 | to make sure that whatever we promise Europe, we will do as United States, we can deliver. | 确保无论我们向欧洲承诺什么,我们作为美国都会做,我们就能兑现。 |
| 119 | It's still considerable what they will do, but what they had to draw down already being | 他们要做的仍然相当重要, 但是他们不得不削减 已经是 |
| 120 | backfilled by Europeans or in the process of being dealt with, and in some cases, some | 由欧洲人填补或正在处理中,有时甚至有些 |
| 121 | more work to be done. | 还要做更多的工作。 |
| 122 | But it makes us all stronger that we now know exactly what we can control. | 但是,它使我们更加强大,我们现在确切地知道我们能控制什么。 |
| 123 | We started the year with dust up over Greenland. | 我们从格陵兰上空的灰尘开始 |
| 124 | All we're asking for is to get Greenland, including right title and ownership, because | 我们要求的只是获得格陵兰,包括正确的所有权和所有权,因为 |
| 125 | you need the ownership to defend it. | 你需要所有权来捍卫它。 |
| 126 | Do you think that's dented the confidence of the Europeans in the US as a law about | 你觉得这是否削弱了欧洲人对美国的信心? |
| 127 | security program? | 安全计划? |
| 128 | You will always have in an alliance like NATO discussions and debates, and sometimes you | 你总是在北约组织讨论和辩论的联盟中, 有时候你 |
| 129 | will have tough debates. | 将会有艰难的辩论。 |
| 130 | This is an alliance of democracies. | 这是民主国家的联盟。 |
| 131 | It would be a bad sign if we all come together, have vanilla meetings, basically not disagreeing | 如果大家都聚在一起 开香草会 基本上不会不同意 |
| 132 | at all. | 一点也不 |
| 133 | And this is what dictatorships do. | 这就是独裁政权的本事。 |
| 134 | In our case, we are democracies, we are working together, we constantly try to find the best | 就我们而言,我们是民主国家,我们正在共同努力,我们不断努力找到最好的 |
| 135 | in each other. | 在对方。 |
| 136 | And then in the end, we come together again. | 最后,我们又走到一起。 |
| 137 | And sometimes you have these tough debates, but then you find a way forward. | 有时你会有艰难的辩论, 但你会找到一条前进的道路。 |
| 138 | And we will absolutely see that happening, is my conviction next week. | 我们绝对会看到这种情况的发生,这是我下周的信念。 |
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