泽连斯基谈川普与普京 警惕美俄能源交易 | 2026.10.
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| 0:02 | So there have been reports in the last few days that America has taken the extraordinary | 所以过去几天有报道说 美国采取了非凡的 |
| 0:08 | step of threatening to cut intelligence sharing and arms supplies if you don't stop attacking | 威胁要切断情报分享和武器供应 如果你不停止攻击 |
| 0:16 | oil refineries in Russia. | 俄罗斯炼油厂. |
| 0:19 | Has America, have American officials explicitly made this threat? | 美国官员是否明确发出这种威胁? |
| 0:23 | We had really ballistic attacks, it was three days ago, and we didn't get the information | 我们真的有弹道攻击, 这是三天前, 我们没有得到信息 |
| 0:29 | that these ballistic attacks will be. | 这些弹道攻击将会是。 |
| 0:32 | And we can see on the last seconds, yes, by our own capabilities. | 我们可以看到最后的几秒钟, 是的,根据我们自己的能力。 |
| 0:39 | So we, of course, we connected with partners on different levels of military people, and | 因此,我们,当然,我们联系伙伴 不同级别的军人,和 |
| 0:48 | they said some technological questions. | 他们说了一些技术问题。 |
| 0:53 | Then at night today, at night, this night, massive ballistic attack and drones attack, | 然后在今天的晚上, 在晚上,在今晚, 大规模弹道攻击和无人机攻击, |
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| 1 | So there have been reports in the last few days that America has taken the extraordinary | 所以过去几天有报道说 美国采取了非凡的 |
| 2 | step of threatening to cut intelligence sharing and arms supplies if you don't stop attacking | 威胁要切断情报分享和武器供应 如果你不停止攻击 |
| 3 | oil refineries in Russia. | 俄罗斯炼油厂. |
| 4 | Has America, have American officials explicitly made this threat? | 美国官员是否明确发出这种威胁? |
| 5 | We had really ballistic attacks, it was three days ago, and we didn't get the information | 我们真的有弹道攻击, 这是三天前, 我们没有得到信息 |
| 6 | that these ballistic attacks will be. | 这些弹道攻击将会是。 |
| 7 | And we can see on the last seconds, yes, by our own capabilities. | 我们可以看到最后的几秒钟, 是的,根据我们自己的能力。 |
| 8 | So we, of course, we connected with partners on different levels of military people, and | 因此,我们,当然,我们联系伙伴 不同级别的军人,和 |
| 9 | they said some technological questions. | 他们说了一些技术问题。 |
| 10 | Then at night today, at night, this night, massive ballistic attack and drones attack, | 然后在今天的晚上, 在晚上,在今晚, 大规模弹道攻击和无人机攻击, |
| 11 | again we have this block, block or technical problem or will, I don't know. | 再说一遍,我们有这个障碍, 障碍或技术问题,或者会,我不知道。 |
| 12 | Which do you think it is? | 你觉得是哪个? |
| 13 | I can say what I think and I can say what I know. | 我可以说出我的想法,我可以说出我知道的。 |
| 14 | So what I know that Starlink was pushed to slow speed, yes? | 我所知道的是,星际链接被推向了慢速,是吗? |
| 15 | It was not the technical problem, it was the will. | 这不是技术问题,而是意志问题。 |
| 16 | We understand what's going on because it was everywhere. | 我们理解这是怎么回事 因为到处都是 |
| 17 | The territory of the capital of all the Ukraine where we use Starlinks, we saw this. | 所有乌克兰首都的领地 我们使用星际链接,我们看到了这一点。 |
| 18 | Also on the battlefield where we use it for mid-strikes, we couldn't decide to use it, | 在战场上 我们无法决定使用它 |
| 19 | we saw this. | 我们看到了这个。 |
| 20 | Then when we give food and water to our soldiers who are blocked, you know, in the gray zones | 然后,当我们给我们的士兵 食物和水, 他们被堵住,你知道, 在灰色地带 |
| 21 | and they said, what is the most important of using Starlinks? | 他们说,什么是最重要的 使用星际链接? |
| 22 | Of course, we are thankful to partners, but what is the most important? | 当然,我们感谢伙伴,但最重要的是什么? |
| 23 | Because when you have problems with logistics, you need to save life. | 因为当物流有问题的时候,你需要拯救生命. |
| 24 | Everything doesn't matter at this moment. | 此时一切不思议. |
| 25 | And at this very moment, we use only our drones, our different, from infrastructure or robotized | 此时此刻,我们只使用我们的无人机 不同于基础设施或机器人 |
| 26 | systems, drones which can on a high speed bring food, water, other things. | 无人机能以高速的速度带来食物、水和其他东西。 |
| 27 | If it's slow, it will be destroyed, yeah? | 如果它慢, 它会被摧毁,是吗? |
| 28 | Have you, forgive me, Mr. | 原谅我,先生。 |
| 29 | Prince, have you spoken to Elon Musk about this? | 王子 你和伊隆·穆斯克谈过了吗 |
| 30 | Have you contacted him about this? | 你联系过他吗? |
| 31 | During this period, we've got our military people, not me personally. | 在此期间,我们得到了我们的军人,而不是我个人. |
| 32 | We've got, don't attack because maybe you will have problems with intelligence. | 我们得到了,不要攻击 因为也许你会有 与智能的问题。 |
| 33 | So this is the answer. | 这就是答案。 |
| 34 | When you say they want it or it was some technological problems, I can say they said that it's technological | 当你说他们想要的时候 或者说这是一些技术问题, 我可以说,他们说这是技术 |
| 35 | problems on some level. | 有点问题 |
| 36 | But on military level, before they said that if you will not stop, we will block intelligence. | 但是在军事层面,在他们说如果你不停止, 我们将封锁情报。 |
| 37 | This is, I think, the problem. | 我想这就是问题所在 |
| 38 | And when it goes together with Starlink's decision, which is 100% the decision of American | 当它与Starlink的决定, 这是100%的决定 美国 |
| 39 | side, again, I don't know, SpaceX or government, I think that not military people. | 再说一遍,我不知道,SpaceX或政府, 我认为不是军人。 |
| 40 | I think it's about SpaceX. | 我认为这是关于SpaceX。 |
| 41 | So together, it makes huge problems. | 因此,它共同造成了巨大的问题。 |
| 42 | Just to return to the threat, then you're saying that it was made at the military level. | 仅仅为了回到威胁,然后你说这是在军事层面制造的. |
| 43 | This was made by senior American military people to your military people. | 这是美国高级军人给你的军人做的 |
| 44 | It was not made by politicians to politicians. | 这不是政客对政治家们提出的。 |
| 45 | It was soldiers to soldiers. | 这是士兵对士兵。 |
| 46 | It was made this way, as I said, but it's understandable that politicians use another | 正如我所说,这是用这种方式做的 但政治家们使用另一种 |
| 47 | format of giving you messages. | 发送消息的格式。 |
| 48 | But for me, what was, I mean, pressure doesn't work and they know, but what works when President | 但对我来说,什么是,我的意思是, 压力不工作,他们知道, 但什么工作当总统 |
| 49 | Trump said, it was in parallel way, said that energy ceasefire, and I support it, I'm openly | 川普说,这是平行的, 说能源停火, 我支持它,我公开 |
| 50 | and honestly, I support it. | 老实说,我支持 |
| 51 | And he said, and that's why, not because of signals from anybody, but it's not the problem. | 他说,这就是为什么,不是因为任何人的信号, 但这不是问题所在。 |
| 52 | The reason is not important. | 原因并不重要。 |
| 53 | The result is important. | 结果很重要。 |
| 54 | But he said, energy ceasefire, and I said, look, President said, okay, we didn't speak | 但他说,能源停火, 我说,你看,总统说, 好吧,我们没有说话 |
| 55 | with him about it. | 跟他谈这件事 |
| 56 | But he said, let's support. | 但他说,让我们支持。 |
| 57 | I said to my military people that we don't attack during energy ceasefire, Russian refineries | 我对军队说,在能源停火期间 我们不进攻,俄罗斯炼油厂 |
| 58 | and everything what connects with diesel. | 和所有与柴油有关的东西 |
| 59 | Because if we will attack, even if we are right and we are right, of course, somebody | 因为如果我们会攻击, 即使我们是正确的,我们是正确的, 当然,有人 |
| 60 | will say, I don't know what side, but they will say that we broke energy ceasefire. | 但他们会说我们违反了能源停火 |
| 61 | I don't want to play this game. | 我不想玩这个游戏。 |
| 62 | Yes, we have big experience not to play this game, not to be involved. | 是的,我们有丰富的经验 不玩这个游戏, 不参与。 |
| 63 | That's why three days we didn't attack any energy, diesel and the central systems of | 这就是为什么我们三天没有攻击 任何能量,柴油和中央系统 |
| 64 | Russia, and three days they attack us. | 俄国,三天后他们就会攻击我们 |
| 65 | But the first day it was just gas station and some, the petrol infrastructure. | 但第一天它只是加油站 和一些,汽油基础设施。 |
| 66 | And second, not too much. | 第二,别太过分 |
| 67 | This war day, at night, today, they directly attacked all the energy main infrastructure | 这场战争的一天, 晚上,今天, 他们直接攻击 所有能源的主要基础设施 |
| 68 | objects in Ukraine, mostly in the capital and not only in Kharkiv and other cities, | 在乌克兰的物体,主要是在首都,而不只是在哈尔科夫和其他城市, |
| 69 | but mostly ballistic came to the capital, yes. | 但弹道大多是来到首都,是的。 |
| 70 | So they did it. | 所以他们做到了。 |
| 71 | So if they keep doing this, how much longer will you maintain the stoppage of attacks | 所以,如果他们继续这样做, 你会维持多久 停止攻击 |
| 72 | on Russian refineries? | 在俄罗斯炼油厂? |
| 73 | That's it. | 就这样 |
| 74 | Block is out. | 布洛克出来了 |
| 75 | Two days evening, I said to my military people, after they again killed, killed today after | 两天晚上,我跟我的军人说 他们再次被杀,今天被杀 |
| 76 | such massive attack, I didn't hear messages from president of the United States, because | 如此大规模的攻击,我没有听到 美国总统的消息,因为 |
| 77 | they are at night, maybe a little bit later we will hear. | 也许晚点我们再听 |
| 78 | And then in Lutsk and again in some other cities, they attacked again, killed a lot | 然后在卢茨克和其他一些城市, 他们再次进攻,杀死了很多 |
| 79 | of people, just civilians, all of them, just civilians, no military people, just civilians. | 只有平民,他们所有人,只有平民,没有军人,只有平民。 |
| 80 | You're sounding, Mr. President, deeply frustrated with America and with the Trump administration. | 总统先生,你对美国和特朗普政府深感失望 |
| 81 | After this, after these few days, how can you trust them to be a mediator? | 在这之后,在这几天之后,你怎么能相信他们成为调解人呢? |
| 82 | Our goal piece and only in unity we can get it with such big aggressor. | 我们的目标,只有团结一致,我们才能与如此大的侵略者取得它。 |
| 83 | It's a big aggressor, Russia, yes, we can't, we don't forget it and they don't give us | 这是一个大的侵略者,俄罗斯,是的,我们不能,我们不会忘记它,他们不会给我们 |
| 84 | possibility to forget, it's true. | 有可能忘记,这是真的。 |
| 85 | Only unity can stop them and of course, United States and Europe can do it, of course, I'm | 只有团结才能阻止他们 当然,美国和欧洲可以做到这一点,当然,我 |
| 86 | sure. | 当然 |
| 87 | I'm sure. | 我当然知道 |
| 88 | I said to president, we can do it very quickly. | 我对总统说,我们可以很快做到 |
| 89 | If you will not close Stirling for us, if you will open Stirling on the territory of | 如果你不为我们关闭斯特林, 如果你要打开斯特林 在领地上, |
| 90 | Russia, we will destroy his ballistic launchers and that's it. | 俄罗斯,我们将摧毁他的弹道发射器,就是这样。 |
| 91 | For him, that's it. | 对于他来说,就是这样。 |
| 92 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 93 | He will sit and speak and I will not destroy any energy objects, I don't need it. | 他会坐着说话,我不会破坏任何能量物体 我不需要它 |
| 94 | Yes, ballistic, this is only one thing. | 是的,弹道,这只是一件事。 |
| 95 | He can't do anything on the territory of Ukraine for today. | 他今天不能在乌克兰境内做任何事情. |
| 96 | Only with big losses he can move one kilometre, two kilometre, ten kilometres and a lot of | 只有大损失,他才能移动一公里,两公里,十公里和很多 |
| 97 | losses, the result of these kilometres. | 这些公里造成的损失。 |
| 98 | So that's why, that was my signal, give us Stirling, open it for us. | 这就是为什么,这是我的信号, 给我们Stirling,打开它给我们。 |
| 99 | But they closed it, they didn't make it wider, they make it smaller. | 但是,他们关闭了它, 他们没有使它扩大, 他们使它缩小。 |
| 100 | So, it's a very serious, very serious mistake. | 因此,这是一个非常严重,非常严重的错误. |
| 101 | You need the intelligence and the Stirling. | 你需要情报和史提灵 |
| 102 | Sorry, I think it's important that, if we will not have unity with the United States | 对不起,我认为这很重要 如果我们不与美国团结一致 |
| 103 | and Europe, it's a longer way. | 在欧洲,这是一个更长的路。 |
| 104 | Americans are on our side, really. | 美国人站在我们这边,真的 |
| 105 | I know that the majority of the United States supports Ukraine. | 我知道,大多数美国支持乌克兰。 |
| 106 | I understand a lot of challenges the president has, and Iran, and the total Middle East, | 我理解总统的很多挑战 伊朗和整个中东 |
| 107 | this crisis and all this oil crisis, we understand the roots are there, not in Ukraine, yes, | 这场危机和所有石油危机, 我们知道根源 在那里,不是在乌克兰,是的, |
| 108 | and the elections and a lot of things what he's thinking about. | 和选举和很多事情 他在想什么。 |
| 109 | But somebody is moving him not correctly, to not the right side, yes. | 但是,有人在移动他 不正确,不是正确的一边,是的。 |
| 110 | That's why, can we stop Putin? | 这就是为什么,我们能阻止普京吗? |
| 111 | Yes. | 对 |
| 112 | Can we come to a negotiation? | 我们可以来谈判吗? |
| 113 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 114 | Can it be as quick as possible? | 能快点吗? |
| 115 | I'm sure. | 我当然知道 |
| 116 | But if you will ask, Putin is comfortable now, yes. | 但如果你问,普京现在很舒服,是的。 |
| 117 | You need American intelligence, Stirling, and a weaponry, so how are you going to repair | 你需要美国情报 Stirling 还有武器 所以你要怎么修理 |
| 118 | this relationship? | 这段关系? |
| 119 | We didn't destroy any relations, so be open, clear, and with dignity. | 我们没有破坏任何关系,所以要公开,明确,有尊严. |
| 120 | It doesn't mean that you are a destroyer, yes. | 这并不意味着你是一个驱逐舰,是的。 |
| 121 | I am an honest partner of the president of the United States, not because of personalities, | 我是美国总统的诚实伙伴 不是因为个性 |
| 122 | because Ukraine is a strategic partner of the United States. | 因为乌克兰是美国的战略伙伴。 |
| 123 | It's like between us and the UK, it's like between UK and EU. | 这就像我们和英国之间, 就像英国和欧盟之间。 |
| 124 | It can't be another way, I mean, we will lose everything, because Russia can fight with | 这不可能是另一种方式,我的意思是,我们将失去一切,因为俄罗斯可以与 |
| 125 | all of us, but only when we are not together. | 所有人,但只有在我们不在一起的时候。 |
| 126 | Isn't it better for you to give a unilateral declaration, if you like, that you will not | 单方声明,如果你喜欢,你不会 |
| 127 | strike Russian refineries, even if Russia is still striking your energy infrastructure | 袭击俄国炼油厂 即使俄国还在袭击你们的能源基础设施 |
| 128 | in order to get the Trump administration back on side? | 为了让特朗普政府重新站在一起? |
| 129 | When you are not the first year in a war, and you don't look at your first step and | 当你不是战争的第一年, 你并不看你的第一步和 |
| 130 | the second, you look what will be in some steps later, otherwise you will lose everything. | 第二,你看看以后会有什么, 否则你会失去一切。 |
| 131 | So I know that if such moment will come, and such diesel deal will move Ukraine to be silent, | 所以我知道如果这一刻到来 这种柴油交易会让乌克兰保持沉默 |
| 132 | I mean this on the battlefield, don't respond after their attacks. | 我是说在战场上 别在他们攻击后回应 |
| 133 | The question will be when the next deal will be. | 问题就在于下个交易何时进行. |
| 134 | And all these deals, diesel, maybe the next will be gas, definitely it will be gas. | 所有这些交易,柴油,也许接下来是天然气,肯定就是天然气。 |
| 135 | Who will get money, and who will spend this money, and on what? | 谁能赚到钱,谁能花这些钱? |
| 136 | Not to rebuild Ukraine, I think, not to support us, I think so. | 我认为,不是重建乌克兰,不是支持我们,我想是这样。 |
| 137 | It will go oppositely, possibility to increase the production, because much money, | 反之,增加产量的可能性, 因为很多钱, |
| 138 | a lot of fundings and contracts and etc. | 很多资金和合同等等。 |
| 139 | from oil and diesel, from gas, and I don't know. | 从石油和柴油, 从天然气, 我不知道。 |
| 140 | I mean this weapon, it doesn't mean that you have a gun. | 我是说这个武器 不代表你有枪 |
| 141 | Weapon is money, when you can produce million of guns. | 武器是钱,当你可以生产 百万的枪。 |
| 142 | This is a weapon, and that's why we can't support increasing fundings for Russia. | 这是一件武器,所以我们不能支持增加对俄国的资助. |
| 143 | What if you don't have America? | 如果你没有美国呢? |
| 144 | What do you need from Europe, if it's just Europe and Ukraine? | 如果只是欧洲和乌克兰,你需要欧洲做什么? |
| 145 | Europe's sanctions are painful for him. | 欧洲的制裁对他来说是痛苦的. |
| 146 | Yes, it doesn't stop him, not enough, but sensitive. | 是的,它没有阻止他, 不够,但敏感。 |
| 147 | The problem that Europe also get, you know, some energy resources from Russia. | 欧洲也从俄罗斯获得一些能源的问题。 |
| 148 | So when we say, can you do something without America, today it's very difficult. | 所以,当我们说, 你能做一些没有美国的事情, 今天是非常困难的。 |
| 149 | I mean this, can you fight when you have the unity of Europe and be strong? | 我的意思是,你能战斗 当你有欧洲的统一 和强壮? |
| 150 | Yes, but the problem is, what does it mean, unity of Europe? | 是的,但问题是,这是什么意思,欧洲的统一? |
| 151 | A lot of questions we had together, but then, for example, for somebody, they said, | 有很多问题,我们在一起, 但,然后,例如,对某人, 他们说, |
| 152 | look, I'm not ready for oil embargo from Russia, or I'm not ready from nuclear stations, | 听着,我还没准备好接受来自俄罗斯的石油禁运, 或者我还没有准备好来自核电站, |
| 153 | yes, for nuclear energy, yes, to block it, to put sanctions on nuclear stations of Russia, | 是的,因为核能,是的, 封锁它, 对俄罗斯的核电站实施制裁, |
| 154 | or nuclear companies, yeah, so not ready another company. | 或核公司, 是的,所以没有准备好 另一家公司。 |
| 155 | Europe has to be strong and united urgently, because there are a lot of different risks, | 欧洲必须强大和紧急团结, 因为有很多不同的风险, |
| 156 | not only with Ukraine, there are risks they are bordering across the borders, | 他们不仅与乌克兰交界,而且有跨越边界的危险, |
| 157 | yes, in the sky now, without land forces, but in the sky using drones with Romania, | 是的,在天空,现在, 没有陆地力量, 但是在天空使用无人机与罗马尼亚, |
| 158 | with Moldova, with Germany already, it's with Germany, with Poland, we see all of this, | 与摩尔多瓦,与德国已经, 它与德国, 与波兰,我们看到这一切, |
| 159 | Bulgaria, we see all of this, I mean, there's a lot of countries already, | 保加利亚,我们看到这一切, 我的意思是,已经有许多国家, |
| 160 | there is hybrid wars, it's hybrid operation, yes, not still massive operation, | 有混合战争,这是混合行动,是的,不是仍然大规模行动, |
| 161 | but it's like with the cold water, you know, in the sea, one, two, three, try, then you will swim, | 但它就像与冷水, 你知道,在海里, 一,二,三,尝试,然后你会游泳, |
| 162 | yes, a little bit later, this is Putin, he's trying. | 是的,稍晚,这是普京,他在努力。 |
| 163 | When you look at the state of politics across the EU, when we have a lot of elections coming up, | 当你看看整个欧盟的政治状况, 当我们有许多选举即将到来, |
| 164 | and a lot of far-right parties gaining in strength, sceptical about supporting Ukraine, | 和许多极右翼政党 增强实力, 对支持乌克兰持怀疑态度, |
| 165 | this must be a big cause of concern for you. | 这一定是你担心的一个大问题 |
| 166 | Of course, a lot of challenges it will bring, not can, will, we understand it, we can estimate now | 当然,它会带来很多挑战,不能,我们理解,我们现在可以估计 |
| 167 | that changing policy can be, yes, but still we will need to try to find dialogue with everybody. | 改变政策可以,是的,但我们仍然需要努力找到与每个人的对话。 |
| 168 | We interviewed Marine Le Pen this week, and she said the honest thing to say to you was | 我们本周采访了Marine Le Pen 她说了实话 |
| 169 | no more money, we can't do any more money, and that she would stop | 没有钱了,我们再也不能做钱了 她会停下来的 |
| 170 | financing Ukraine after six months of winning the presidency, do you, how do you persuade her otherwise? | 在乌克兰赢得总统职位6个月后, |
| 171 | I will not vote for her, because I'm Ukrainian. | 我不会投给她 因为我是乌克兰人 |
| 172 | I think that the experience of our army technologically is very important for the | 我认为,我们军队在技术上的经验对 |
| 173 | partners, UK, United States, France are among these partners, and I think French industry | 英国、美国、法国是这些伙伴之一 我认为法国工业 |
| 174 | only win, can win with these technologies, with this cooperation and co-production, | 只有赢 才能用这些技术赢 有了合作和共同生产 |
| 175 | and it's not to pay Ukraine for today, we are not in the first and the second year of the war, | 今天不是给乌克兰钱 我们不是在战争的第一年和第二年 |
| 176 | yes, it's to help Ukraine be strong, and Ukraine will give back security for somebody, | 是的,这是帮助乌克兰强壮, 和乌克兰会还给某人的安全, |
| 177 | for somebody's experience, it's up to them how to call it, I think it's security and experience, | 对于某人的经验, 这取决于他们如何称呼它, 我认为这是安全和经验, |
| 178 | by the way, the price is not so high as people's lives, that's why I think that | 顺便说一句,价格没有人们的生活那么高,这就是为什么我认为 |
| 179 | Madame Le Pen is not deeply with some details, we give back, and this is very important, | 勒庞夫人不太了解一些细节, 我们回报, 这是非常重要的, |
| 180 | the most, by the way, the most strong system, anti-ballistic and anti-cruise missiles, | 顺便说一句,最强大的系统,反弹和反核导弹, |
| 181 | and etc. | 以及其它内容。 |
| 182 | air defense, this is French air defense, yes, with Italy, with cooperation with other | 空防,这是法国空防,是的,与意大利,与其它合作 |
| 183 | countries, but it's French, yes, but she, like a politician, and she wants to be a president in | 国家,但它是法国的,是的, 但她,像一个政治家, 她想成为总统 |
| 184 | any way, she needs, I think so, to be sure, otherwise for what this production is, to be sure | 无论如何,她需要,我认为,是肯定的, 否则,什么是这个制作, |
| 185 | that she has the strongest European system which works, we made a lot of different changes there, | 她拥有最强的欧洲系统, 它工作,我们做了很多不同的改变, |
| 186 | in the system together with French guys, because they saw how it worked, and how it works | 在系统与法国人,因为他们看到 它如何工作,如何工作 |
| 187 | now, different things, the same with, we worked with Scalps missiles, we are thankful, | 现在,不同的事情, 同样,我们合作 与斯卡普导弹, 我们感激, |
| 188 | thankful, and the same with other kind of weapon and security, also including with the cyber | 感谢,其他类型的武器和安全,包括网络 |
| 189 | experience which we have, nobody had, cyber attacks, so not only just weapon as a weapon, | 我们的经验,没有人,网络攻击, 所以不只是武器作为武器, |
| 190 | yeah, so I think, to my mind, that it's win-win for us, it's, I mean, we don't have alternative, | 是的,所以我认为,我认为, 这对我们来说是双赢的, 我的意思是,我们没有其他选择, |
| 191 | we have to fight, but for Europe, it's more really win, because they get the security, | 我们必须战斗, 但对于欧洲, 它更真正的胜利, 因为他们得到了安全, |
| 192 | and they have experience, this experience, I mean, this, you can't test it in reality, | 他们有经验,这种经验, 我的意思是,这个,你不能测试 它在现实中, |
| 193 | you can't test it, only this weapon, all the tanks, all, can you imagine, all Europe, of course, | 你不能测试它,只有这个武器, 所有的坦克,所有,你能想象,所有的欧洲,当然, |
| 194 | and it was right before this war, spent billions for tanks, for armed vehicles, for a lot of | 在这场战争之前 花费了数十亿 用于坦克 武装车辆 |
| 195 | munitions, and a lot of things which are not useful after these last two years, so our experience | 弹药,以及很多东西 在过去的两年里是没用的 所以我们的经验 |
| 196 | gives the experience of this war to the countries which will not spend billions for the tanks, | 将这场战争的经验传授给那些不会为坦克花费数十亿美元的国家, |
| 197 | and et cetera, they have to spend money for other things, without us, I mean, this, it's cheaper, | 他们必须花钱买其他东西, 没有我们,我的意思是,这是便宜的, |
| 198 | it's really, I mean, this clever people, they said, look, you saved billions for us, for our | 真的,我是说,这些聪明的人, 他们说,你看,你为我们,为我们节省了数十亿 |
| 199 | just really billions, this is what we do, and we exchange technologies with different types of | 只是真正的亿,这是我们做的, 我们交换技术 不同类型的 |
| 200 | Iranians, Iranians have missiles and drones, 4,000 kilometers plus, who in Europe has | 伊朗人,伊朗人有导弹和无人机, 4000公里外,他们在欧洲有 |
| 201 | massive possibilities of massive attack, or defend thousands of drones, which are 4,000 kilometers | 或保卫数千架无人机 4000公里 |
| 202 | plus distance, nobody, how you can get this information, you can't, we share it, we share | 加上距离,没有人,你怎么能得到这个信息, 你不能,我们分享,我们分享 |
| 203 | this, just two or three days ago, President Trump, effectively gave, offered, gave President Putin | 两三天前,特朗普总统 向普京总统 提供了有效的提议 |
| 204 | relief from sanctions in return for diesel oil, what's your understanding of the nature of the | 免予制裁 以换取柴油 你对石油的性质有什么了解 |
| 205 | relationship between President Trump and President Putin? | 川普总统和普京总统之间的关系? |
| 206 | I think President Trump's such man that | 我认为川普总统是这样的人 |
| 207 | he is, he speaks about it, I mean, openly and loudly, that he loves such people, and he respects | 他是,他谈论它,我的意思是, 公开和大声, 他爱这样的人,他尊重 |
| 208 | such people, because for him, I don't know, people who can be leaders, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, | 这些人,因为对于他,我不知道, 谁可以成为领导者, 20年,30年,40年, |
| 209 | it's been that very strong, because they, you can, I mean, hold the power, so I think, | 它一直非常强大, 因为他们,你可以,我的意思是,握住权力, 所以我想, |
| 210 | it seems to me, I don't know, but money, very rich, this is the richest man, this is the first | 在我看来,我不知道, 但是钱,非常富有, 这是最富有的人, 这是第一个 |
| 211 | I'm not comparing them, this, I think they're in, how to say it, in one restaurant, | 我不是比较他们, 我认为他们是英寸 如何说,在一个餐厅, |
| 212 | not street food. | 不是街头食品。 |
| 213 | To what extent also is business a factor, do you think? | 你认为生意在多大程度上也是一个因素? |
| 214 | Business is interesting | 生意挺有意思的,你觉得呢? |
| 215 | between the United States and Russia, I think that they want to have energy projects, and I think | 在美国和俄罗斯之间,我认为他们想要有能源项目,我想 |
| 216 | that a lot, and that, of course, for them is difficult to have, when there is a war in Europe, | 当然,对于他们来说,当欧洲发生战争时, |
| 217 | I mean, this politically is not simple, because everybody will want to ask how it can be, | 我的意思是,这在政治上不是简单的, 因为每个人都会想问它会是什么, |
| 218 | how it can be, when some people are surviving, fighting, dying, and you make some | 当有人活下来,战斗,死亡,你却制造一些 |
| 219 | business with the guys with such aggression, yeah, so a lot of risks, a lot of political challenges. | 和那些有这种侵略性的人做生意 对 风险很大 政治挑战很多 |
| 220 | This is not the first time you've faced this very intense pressure from the Trump administration, | 这不是你第一次面对 川普政府的强烈压力 |
| 221 | but in the past, it's the Europeans who've helped build bridges again with America, | 但在过去,是欧洲人 再次帮助与美国建桥, |
| 222 | usually by persuading you to change your tone with the Trump administration, | 通常通过说服你改变你与川普政府的语气, |
| 223 | are they putting pressure on you again to do the same thing? | 他们又对你施压 让你做同样的事情吗? |
| 224 | No, really, no. | 不,真的,没有。 |
| 225 | I feel support. | 我感觉支持。 |
| 226 | It's not about me. | 这不是关于我。 |
| 227 | If it's about some personal things, like | 如果是为了一些私事 比如 |
| 228 | Ukraine needs another leader, or let's make elections, I'm okay with this. | 乌克兰需要另一个领导人,或者我们进行选举,我同意。 |
| 229 | So for me, | 对我来说 |
| 230 | it's rhetoric. | 这是夸夸其谈。 |
| 231 | No, personally, I think that it's a mistake to speak about this, because it's not | 不,我个人认为说这个是错误的, 因为这不是 |
| 232 | supporting me, and for what, I don't know, but it doesn't matter, doesn't matter, and Americans | 支持我,什么,我不知道, 但没关系,不重要,美国人 |
| 233 | will not like such rhetoric. | 不喜欢这种言辞。 |
| 234 | I think so. | 我想是这样。 |
| 235 | So it's not helpful for president also. | 所以这对总统也无济于事 |
| 236 | So it's not, | 所以,这不是, |
| 237 | I mean, this is not, yeah, but I'm not holding this cheer that I am the president, I will be | 我的意思是,这不是,是的, 但我不持有这个欢呼,我是总统,我会 |
| 238 | the president for 30 years. | 总统30年。 |
| 239 | No. | 没有 |
| 240 | Oh, no. | 哦,没有。 |
| 241 | Never. | 从来没有。 |
| 242 | Yeah, that's why I don't, I mean, this is rhetoric. | 是啊,这就是为什么我不, 我的意思是,这是空谈。 |
| 243 | It's something personal. | 这是私人恩怨 |
| 244 | For me, it doesn't matter. | 对我来说,这不重要。 |
| 245 | It matters that Putin feels no pressure. | 重要的是普京没有感到压力。 |
| 246 | It doesn't matter when he feels no pressure, he attacks, because he, you know, how did, in English, | 当他感觉不到压力时,他攻击并不重要, 因为他,你知道,如何,用英语, |
| 247 | he tremendous, yeah, oh, he got the tremendous kick out of it. | 他得到了巨大的刺激。 |
| 248 | Yeah, it's, he likes this. | 是啊,这是,他喜欢这个。 |
| 249 | We, the situation, the dividing between Europe and United States, or Ukraine and United States, | 我们,局势, 欧洲和美国的分裂, 或者乌克兰和美国, |
| 250 | it helps him to unite his nation. | 帮助他统一国家 |
| 251 | It helps him to feel success. | 这有助于他感到成功。 |
| 252 | It helps him to | 帮助他 |
| 253 | increase people during his elections, not the votes. | 在选举期间增加人数,而不是选票。 |
| 254 | I mean, this is not that they support him. | 我的意思是,这不是 他们支持他。 |
| 255 | No, | 没有 |
| 256 | he will calculate by himself, but people will come. | 他将自己计算, 但人们会来。 |
| 257 | A lot of people are coming. | 很多人会来 |
| 258 | So it helps | 所以,它帮助 |
| 259 | him, you know, to feel this, that he's not losing, that he's prevailing. | 他,你知道,感受这一点, 他没有输,他是流行。 |
| 260 | He's not prevailing. | 他并不流行。 |
| 261 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 262 | this is, I mean, this, in this war, in technological war, one month he, second month we, so this is, | 这是,我是说,在这场战争中, 在技术战争中, 一个月他,第二个月我们,所以, |
| 263 | that's why we need to stop this war, to end this war. | 所以我们需要停止这场战争 结束这场战争 |
| 264 | Because now it's a pity that in this | 因为现在很可惜在这里面 |
| 265 | technological war, United States, I mean, this helped him. | 技术战争,美国,我的意思是, 这帮助了他。 |
| 266 | I mean, not because they want or not, | 我的意思是,不是因为他们想要或不想要, |
| 267 | I don't know, as we spoke about Starlink and said, but in situation is this. | 我不知道,正如我们谈到星际迷航和说, 但情况是这样的。 |
| 268 | And we | 我们 |
| 269 | always had some technological, you know, steps further, quicker, and et cetera. | 总是有一些技术,你知道, 更进一步,更快,等等。 |
| 270 | And these steps | 这些步骤 |
| 271 | from the United States has been dangerous for us. | 从美国来对我们来说是危险的 |
| 272 | Intelligence and Starlink, it's dangerous. | 情报和星际关系,这是危险的。 |
| 273 | When it | 当它 |
| 274 | together, it's dangerous. | 在一起,这是危险的。 |
| 275 | Of course, we will find a way out, but better to stop Putin, | 当然,我们会找到一个出路, 但更好的阻止普京, |
| 276 | not to give him the new life or the new will to fight. | 不给他新的生活 或新的战斗意志。 |
| 277 | My last short question. | 最后一个问题 |
| 278 | You've had a crisis in relations with the Trump administration before last February. | 去年二月前你和川普政府的关系发生了危机. |
| 279 | It was in | 是在 |
| 280 | the Oval Office, the world was looking on. | 总统办公室,全世界都在看 |
| 281 | Is the current crisis worse than the one last year, | 目前的危机比去年还严重吗? |
| 282 | and what have you learned about dealing with Donald Trump and how to deal with him? | 你对唐纳德·特朗普的处理和如何对付他有什么了解? |
| 283 | How to deal, it's, I think that we had good communication. | 如何处理,这是, 我认为我们有良好的沟通。 |
| 284 | We had several meetings, | 我们开过几次会 |
| 285 | which have been positive. | 这些都是积极的。 |
| 286 | And we tried to make some plans how to end the war. | 我们试图做一些计划 如何结束战争。 |
| 287 | Maybe not everything is ideal there. | 也许不是一切都是理想的。 |
| 288 | Yes, in this, but it's dialogue. | 是的,在这个,但它是对话。 |
| 289 | Putin is an enemy for us. | 普京是我们的敌人。 |
| 290 | And he is a real evil of today. | 而他是今天的真正邪恶。 |
| 291 | I mean, absolutely. | 我的意思是,绝对的。 |
| 292 | How Trump can be friend with him? | 特朗普怎么能和他成为朋友?. |
| 293 | I think that it's a mistake. | 我认为这是一个错误。 |
| 294 | It's his choice again and again. | 是他一次又一次的选择 |
| 295 | So we are fighting for freedom | 所以我们在为自由而战 |
| 296 | and for our rights to choose what we want, the way of life. | 我们有权选择我们想要的 生活方式 |
| 297 | So it's the choice of President Trump. | 所以这是特朗普总统的选择. |
| 298 | So we don't want to be involved on some things. | 所以我们不想参与一些事情。 |
| 299 | The diesel deal, I don't want to be involved. | 柴油交易,我不想参与。 |
| 300 | If he attack us, we will respond. | 如果他攻击我们,我们会回应的。 |
| 301 | This is our rule. | 这是我们的规则。 |
| 302 | Don't involve us to some diesel deals. | 不要让我们参与一些柴油交易。 |
| 303 | If you ask us to help with the situation, of course, like the partners, we will help, | 如果你要求我们帮助 情况,当然, 像伙伴,我们会帮助, |
| 304 | but we are asking you. | 但我们是在问你 |
| 305 | So energy is far. | 所以能量是很远的。 |
| 306 | If not energy is far, it doesn't depend on you. | 如果能量不远,它不取决于你。 |
| 307 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 308 | The question, can you give me missiles for Patriot? | 问题是,你能给我导弹给爱国者吗? |
| 309 | Because when I will not attack them, | 因为当我不攻击他们时 |
| 310 | because you asked me not to attack them, they will attack me. | 因为你让我不要攻击他们 他们会攻击我 |
| 311 | It's fair if you will give me | 如果你愿意给我,这是公平的 |
| 312 | what to defend. | 保护什么? |
| 313 | It's the minimum what I ask. | 这是我要求的最低要求。 |
| 314 | No, I think yes. | 不,我认为是的。 |
| 315 | And when I'm asking this, | 当我问这个时 |
| 316 | your answer is blocking Sterling. | 你的答案是阻止斯特林行动 |
| 317 | So how to deal with this? | 那么,如何处理这个? |
| 318 | To speak more, to explain more, | 说得更多 解释得更多 |
| 319 | and to hold position, our position, the position of Ukraine, of our people. | 我们的立场、乌克兰的立场、我国人民的立场。 |
| 320 | That's what I do. | 我就是这样 |
| 321 | Mr. President, thank you very much. | 主席先生,非常感谢你。 |
| 322 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
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