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0:06A critical midterm election just days away.关键期中选举就在几天后举行。
0:10Are we ready to do what we need to do in November?我们准备好在11月做我们需要做的事了吗?
0:13Americans are casting their ballots with everything on the line.美国人正在投他们的选票,一切在线上。
0:16The battle for Congress.国会之战.
0:18Will Republicans still control the balance of power?共和党人还会控制权力的平衡吗?
0:21Americans, you my friends, that's who we fight for.美国人,我的朋友,这就是我们为之奋斗的
0:24Tonight, CBS News presents Things That Matter with Vice President J.D.今晚,CBS新闻向副总裁J. D.
0:30Vance.万斯(原变种).
0:31We're doing everything that we can to bring down prices.我们正在竭尽全力降低价格。
0:33What is the Trump administration's strategy on affordability and to end the war in Iran?特朗普政府关于可负担性和结束伊朗战争的战略是什么?.
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1A critical midterm election just days away.关键期中选举就在几天后举行。
2Are we ready to do what we need to do in November?我们准备好在11月做我们需要做的事了吗?
3Americans are casting their ballots with everything on the line.美国人正在投他们的选票,一切在线上。
4The battle for Congress.国会之战.
5Will Republicans still control the balance of power?共和党人还会控制权力的平衡吗?
6Americans, you my friends, that's who we fight for.美国人,我的朋友,这就是我们为之奋斗的
7Tonight, CBS News presents Things That Matter with Vice President J.D.今晚,CBS新闻向副总裁J. D.
8Vance.万斯(原变种).
9We're doing everything that we can to bring down prices.我们正在竭尽全力降低价格。
10What is the Trump administration's strategy on affordability and to end the war in Iran?特朗普政府关于可负担性和结束伊朗战争的战略是什么?.
11威尔·J. D.
12Vance make a presidential run in 2028?万斯在2028年举行总统竞选?
13All of these answers and more tonight.所有这些答案 和更多的今晚。
14A CBS News Town Hall starts right now.一个CBS新闻市政厅现在开始
15And good evening, I'm Tony Dacopo.晚上好,我是托尼・达科波。
16Thank you all for joining us tonight for this CBS News感谢大家今晚来参加CBS新闻
17Things That Matter Town Hall right here in Flat Rock, Michigan.在密歇根州平岩镇的市政厅里
18We are just over two weeks away from a midterm election我们离中期选举只有两周多
19that may alter the course of the Trump-Vance administration.可能会改变特朗普 -万斯政府的路线
20And few states matter more than this one right here.很少有州比这州更重要
21In fact, this could be the one that determines control of the U.S. Senate.事实上,这可能是决定对美国参议院的控制.
22And the race between Democratic candidate Abdul El-Sayed民主党候选人阿卜杜勒·赛义德的比赛
23and Republican Mike Rogers is a toss-up.而共和党人迈克·罗杰斯 是一个掷球。
24It's also a tough year for Republicans overall.对共和党人来说,这总的来说也是艰难的一年.
25The president's approval rating has plummeted 14 points since the start of his term.总统的批准评级自任期开始以来大幅下降14分.
26And the same voters who sent the Trump administration back to the White House in 20242024年派特朗普政府回白宫的选民
27are now deciding whether this election they want to instead send Trump a message.现在决定选举是否要向特朗普发出讯息。
28Tonight, voters will get an opportunity to ask their urgent questions今晚,选民们将有机会提出紧急问题
29to the vice president of the United States, J.D.致美国副总统J.D.
30Vance,万斯 万斯 万斯 万斯
31who at an earlier point in his life might have been among those swing voters.在他生命的早期 可能就是那些摇摆不定的选民
32Vance grew up just a few hours south of here in Middletown, Ohio.范斯在俄亥俄州米德尔敦南边长大
33He served in Iraq, went to Yale Law School,他在伊拉克服役,上耶鲁法学院
34and then worked as an investor before Ohio sent him to the U.S. Senate in 2022.并在2022年俄亥俄州送他去美国参议院前担任投资人.
35Just two years later, he was Donald Trump's running mate,仅仅两年后 他是唐纳德·特朗普的竞选搭档
36and he is now widely seen as the early front-runner他现在被广泛视为 早期的前卫
37for his party's 2028 nomination for president.他的党的2028年总统提名。
38We have a lot to talk about, so let's get started.我们有很多话要谈,我们开始吧
39Vice President Vance, thank you very much for being here.万斯副总统 非常感谢你的到来
40Good to see you.很高兴见到你。
41Thank you for doing this, and thanks to everybody for being here.谢谢你做这些,感谢大家来到这里。
42I will say, Tony, you did me a huge disservice我会说,托尼,你给我带来了很大的伤害
43by reminding a crowd of Michiganders that I'm from Ohio.提醒一群密歇根人 我来自俄亥俄州
44But hopefully, hopefully they will hold against me.但希望他们能反对我
45Not only that, we've got a medallion back there for the Ohio State Buckeyes.不仅如此,我们还为俄亥俄州立白凯队 准备了一枚勋章
46Oh, wow.哦,哇呜。
47Yeah, it might be stolen before the night is over.是的,它可能是在晚上结束前被偷走的。
48We just lost the crowd.我们只是失去了人群。
49I know.我知道,我记得
50Look, we are just over two weeks away from a major midterm election,听着 我们离重大中期选举只有两周了
51and there are some very tight Senate races,有一些非常紧张的参议院种族,
52closer than I think a lot of people expected.比我想象的要亲近
53In fact, your former Senate seat in Ohio could flip to the Democrats.事实上,你以前在俄亥俄州的参议院席位 可能会被民主党所取代
54I'm thinking also about Kansas, Alaska, Iowa, maybe most surprisingly, Texas.我也在想堪萨斯州,阿拉斯加,爱荷华州 也许最令人惊讶的是德克萨斯州
55And the Democrats only need to pick up a net of four seats to take control.而民主党只需要拿起一个4个席位的网来控制.
56Are you nervous?你紧张吗?
57No, I'm not nervous because I fundamentally trust the judgment of the American people.不,我不紧张 因为我基本上相信 美国人民的判断。
58I mean, whenever you get into election season,我的意思是,每当你进入选举季节,
59there are always races that you look at and say,总是有种族 你看着并说,
60how are we close in that race or how is that race so close?我们如何接近在那个种族, 或是什么种族是如此接近?
61I mean, you've pointed out some Republican-leaning states that are maybe tight,我的意思是,你指出一些 共和党的州 可能很紧,
62but we're also competing in Maine, a state that Kamala Harris won by eight points.但我们也在缅因州竞争 卡马拉哈里斯以8分获胜
63We're competing, I think, very, very well in Minnesota,我们在竞争,我想,非常,非常好 在明尼苏达州,
64a state that Kamala Harris won by a pretty comfortable margin.卡玛拉哈里斯以相当舒适的优势获胜
65So, you know, the nature of these races is that you get out there,所以,你知道,这些种族的本质 就是你在那里得到,
66you make the best case you can to the American people,你为美国人民做你能做的最好的事
67and they ultimately get to decide.他们最终会决定的
68And on this matter, I am one vote out of many.在这个问题上,我只投过一票。
69I'm going to vote for John Huston for Senator in Ohio.我要投票给约翰·赫斯顿 俄亥俄州参议员
70I think he's going to win.我觉得他会赢的
71But all you can do is make your argument to the American people,但你所能做的就是向美国人民提出你的论点,
72and they get the opportunity to decide.他们有机会决定
73Well, you're making the argument here in the state of Michigan,你在密歇根州争论
74and this is one of those races that could decide the outcome,这是能决定结果的种族之一
75who controls the Senate.谁控制参议院。
76And it's closer than I think a lot of people expected.这比很多人预期的要近
77It's close in part because there are some Trump voters from 2024部分是因为2024年有一些特朗普选民
78who have now switched to say,他们现在转身说,
79I'm going to vote for a Democrat this time around.这次我要投票给民主党
80I'm going to vote for Abdul El-Sayed.我要投给阿卜杜勒·赛义德
81And in fact, we have one of those voters here tonight,事实上,我们有一个选民 今晚在这里,
82Keyshawn Wheaton.凯许恩惠顿.
83He's a 43-year-old barber.43岁理发师.
84Keyshawn, where are you?Keyshawn,你在哪里? ! 你在哪里? 你在哪里? 你在哪里?
85He's got a question for the vice president.他有个问题要问副总统
86Go ahead.来吧。
87Greetings, Mr. Vice President.你好,副总统先生。
88My name is Keyshawn Wheaton from Detroit,我是底特律的凯许恩・惠顿
89and I voted for Trump in 2020 and 2024我在2020年和2024年投票给特朗普
90because I saw the gas prices fall during his first term.因为我看到天然气价格在他第一个任期内下跌。
91It's low as $117 a gallon in Detroit,底特律一加仑低到117美元
92and now I'm paying $433 a gallon for gas.现在我付433美元一加仑的汽油。
93And I wanted to know, what aren't we doing我想知道,我们在做什么
94that we could be doing to obtain the previous我们可以做 获得之前
95Trump administration's gas prices?特朗普政府的天然气价格?
96And also, I plan on voting for El-Sayed还有 我打算投票给赛义德
97in this upcoming election, and I wanted to know,在这次即将到来的选举中 我想知道
98why should I vote for Mike Rogers instead?我为什么要投给迈克·罗杰斯?
99OK.摆
100Well, I really appreciate that, man,我真的很感激,伙计,
101and appreciate the question.并赞赏这个问题。
102And obviously, the support in 2024.显然,2024年的支持。
103I'm vice president because of it.我是副总统,因为。
104But I think that, first of all, I recognize that gas prices但我认为,首先,我承认天然气价格
105are too high right now.现在太高了
106And I think it's important to be honest about why我觉得必须说实话 为什么
107they are so elevated.他们是如此高。
108And there are a few different things going on.并有几种不同之事.
109So the first thing that's going on, obviously,因此,第一件事 发生,很明显,
110is what's happening in the Middle East, particularly中东正在发生的事情,特别是
111the fact that the Iranians are shooting at every commercial伊朗人正在拍摄每部广告
112ship that they can.他们可以的船。
113It's a global energy market, so that's pushing up这是一个全球性的能源市场,所以这正在推动
114the price of fuel everywhere.到处都是燃料的价格
115But there are also a lot of things that we've done already但我们也做了很多事情
116to lower fuel prices and, frankly, to keep降低燃料价格,坦率地说,保持
117them from going even higher.他们从更高的。
118We've never had a situation like this我们从未有过这样的情况
119where you have effectively the largest state sponsor您拥有最大的国家赞助商
120of terrorism that's trying to completely choke off试图完全窒息的恐怖主义
121world energy supply.世界能源供应。
122The fact is that if we just left and we let the Iranians事实是,如果我们刚刚离开 我们让伊朗人
123control shipping out of the Strait of Hormuz, what that控制霍穆兹海峡外的航运,什么?
124would mean is you would pay a lot more for gasoline.意思是你会付更多汽油费
125There are also other things that we, frankly,坦率地说,还有其他事情
126should have been doing years ago and we are now几年前就应该这样了 我们现在就
127doing quite affirmatively.相当肯定。
128So a couple of days ago, I was in Texas,几天前 我在德克萨斯州
129and we announced that we were going to use what's我们宣布我们打算使用
130called the Defense Production Act to massively increase所谓的国防生产法 大幅增加
131the amount of refining capacity that we have in the United我们在联合国的炼油能力
132States of America.美利坚合众国。
133That's actually the biggest reason why gas prices这其实是气价最大的原因
134are so high is because when Joe Biden was president,这么高是因为乔·拜登当上总统时
135we had about 20% of American refining capacity我们拥有20%的美国炼油能力
136that went offline.离线了
137We're slowly bringing that online,我们慢慢地把那个放到网上
138but it does take a little bit of time.但它确实需要一点时间。
139And because we shut down so much refining capacity,因为我们关闭了很多炼油能力
140we were more susceptible to the shock that we've seen我们更容易受到我们所看到的冲击
141in the Middle Eastern energy prices.中东能源价格。
142So there's a lot that we are doing.因此,我们做了很多事情。
143It's just we also are working against an Iranian regime只是我们也在对抗伊朗政权
144that's shooting at commercial shipping.这是射击商业航运。
145But I'd like to advance.但我想继续前进
146Go ahead.来吧。
147If I may, Keyshawn's talking about this increase如果可以的话,Keyshawn说的是这个增加
148in gas prices just since you guys took office.你们上任后 气价就涨了
149It's almost been two years.差不多两年了
150At a certain point, it becomes your economy,在某一时刻,它成为你的经济,
151not Joe Biden's economy.不是乔·拜登的经济
152Also, back in March, right here in Michigan,而且,回到3月, 就在密歇根州,
153you said it was just a temporary blip in gas prices.你说这只是临时的气价波动
154How long is temporary?临时多久?
155Well, look, I don't think that when this conflict is over,好吧,你看,我不认为 当这场冲突结束,
156we are going to see gas prices come down.我们将看到天然气价格下跌。
157But it takes two to tango.但探戈需要两个
158And what's happening right now in the Middle East而现在在中东发生的事情
159is that you have these terrorists who就是这些恐怖分子
160are shooting at all these ships.正在射击所有这些船只。
161They're blowing up the ships.他们炸毁了船只。
162They're blowing up world energy markets in the process.在这个过程中它们正在炸毁世界能源市场.
163And what we've tried to do, we've actually而我们试图做的,我们实际上
164gotten more oil and gas out of the Middle East从中东得到更多的石油和天然气
165than we've had in a very long time.比我们在很长一段时间。
166That's because, frankly, our troops are那是因为,坦白说,我们的部队
167doing incredibly brave work.做令人难以置信的勇敢的工作。
168And we're the only people in the world that我们是世界上唯一一个
169could actually do it.其实可以做到这一点。
170And I guess that, Kishan, what I would argue to you is, yes,我猜, 祁山, 我想跟你争论的是, 是的,
171I'm very aware.知见甚深.
172And look, you probably know my story.你看,你也许知道我的故事。
173I grew up in a working class family.我在一个工人阶级家庭长大的.
174When gas prices were high, I know that it当气价高的时候,我知道
175made my grandmother suffer.让我的祖母痛苦。
176And I'm sure that you're struggling with it我敢肯定,你正在挣扎
177in a variety of ways.在许多方面。
178But what I would say is, what is Abdul El-Sayed saying about it?但我想说的是,阿卜杜勒·赛义德到底在说什么?
179And what is Mike Rogers saying about it?迈克·罗杰斯怎么说?
180And what are their actual ideas to fix the problem?他们解决问题的实际想法是什么?
181And what I'd say is, we drew down way too much oil and gas我想说的是,我们削减了太多石油和天然气
182capacity.能力。
183And we drew down way too much refining capacity.我们削减了太多的精炼能力。
184We are bringing that stuff online.我们要把这些东西放到网上
185But it does take a little bit of time.但它确实需要一点时间。
186Now, I see what Abdul El-Sayed says about the war in Iran.我看到阿卜杜勒·赛义德对伊朗战争的看法。
187I see he criticizing decisions that the president has made,我看到他批评总统的决定,
188the military has made.军队已经创造了。
189But fundamentally, we are where we are.但从根本上讲,我们已身处此地。
190And you have to, in my view, I'd like to know,你必须,在我看来, 我想知道,
191what is Abdul El-Sayed's solution for the problem阿卜杜勒·赛义德的解决方案是什么?
192that we have right now?我们现在有了?
193It's easy to criticize something that happened seven months ago.7个月前发生的事情很容易批评.
194And the reason why I think Mike Rogers is我认为迈克·罗杰斯是
195going to make a great senator is because he's fundamentally做一个伟大的参议员是因为 他从根本上
196a problem solver.问题解决者。
197By the way, one of the points I want to make on this, Tony,顺便说一句 我想说的其中一点 托尼
198is he's been remarkably independent about this.他对此很独立
199It's not easy for a Republican who's running for Senate竞选参议院的共和党人不容易
200in Michigan to say, for example, we got to bring this conflict比如说,在密歇根州,我们必须 带来这场冲突
201to a close.结束
202He has done that, shown a willingness,他这样做,表现出了意愿,
203I think, to stand against his own party on that.我认为,反对他自己的党 关于这一点。
204So I think Mike is a courageous guy.所以我觉得迈克是个勇敢的人
205But most importantly, he's a problem solver.但最重要的是,他是一个解决问题的人。
206And there's a lot that we are doing right now现在还有很多事情要做
207to work against those rising energy prices.对抗那些不断上涨的能源价格。
208It's too high, but we're working on it.太高了,但我们正在努力
209You know, thank you, Kishan.谢谢你,祁山
210I appreciate it.谢谢
211Vice President Vance, you didn't campaign you and President Trump万斯副总统,你没有竞选 你和川普总统
212on it's going to take time, Rome wasn't built in a day,罗马不是一天之内建成的
213you've got to be patient.你得耐心点
214And there are voters here who are wondering,这里有选民在想
215when are the benefits of their vote in 2024他们2024年的投票是什么时候产生的?
216going to show up in their bank accounts?要出现在他们的银行账户里吗?
217And we do have one voter here like that.我们这里确实有一个这样的选民。
218It's Sandy Johnson.我是桑迪·约翰逊
219She's from Woodhaven, Michigan.她来自密歇根州的伍德哈芬.
220Sandy, could you?桑迪,你能吗?
221There she is.她来了
222Sandy, the floor is yours.桑迪,这地板是你的。
223You've got a question.问曰.
224I'm so nervous.我很紧张
225Don't be nervous.别紧张
226It's all right, don't worry.没关系,别担心
227Sandy, I'm nervous too.珊迪,我也很紧张
228You just got to power through it.你刚刚得到了通过它的力量。
229Thank you for this opportunity.谢谢你给我这个机会
230I really appreciate it.我真的很感谢你
231President Trump, when he was campaigning,川普总统竞选时
232he promised a golden age of economy if he got elected.他承诺,如果他当选,将进入经济的黄金时代。
233Ever since the president has been elected,自从总统当选后
234our business, an amusement center, a restaurant, and bar我们的生意 娱乐中心 餐厅 酒吧
235has struggled.已经挣扎了。
236We're barely making ends meet.我们几乎没完没了
237Your administration has done many good positive things你的政府做了许多好事
238that we're very grateful for,我们非常感谢,
239but none of it has really trickled down to our business.但没有一个真的 渗透到我们的业务。
240What is being done to change the economy正在采取哪些措施来改变经济
241so that the normal American has money to spend让普通美国人有钱花钱
242on small businesses like ours?像我们这样的小生意?
243We understand these things take time,我们知道这些事情需要时间
244but when can we expect to see a change?但我们何时能看到变化?
245Sandy, can I ask what your business is?桑迪,我能问你的生意吗?
246I know, Kishnell, you're a barber.我知道 Kishnell 你是个理发师
247Is that right?是吗?
248What's your business, Sandy?桑迪,你有什么事吗?
249It's a family entertainment center.家庭娱乐中心.
250Okay.摆
251So first of all, there are some things that we've done所以首先,我们做了一些事情
252that I'm very, very proud of.我非常,非常骄傲。
253No taxes on overtime, no taxes on tips,不征收加班费,不征收小费
254no taxes on people who are earning social security income,对正在赚取社会保障收入的人不征税,
255which my attitude is you paid into this your entire life.我的态度是 你付出了一生。
256Why is it being taxed on the way out为什么在外出时被征税
257when it comes back into your pocket?当它回到你的口袋?
258We've eliminated those taxes,我们取消了这些税
259and that hopefully is going to create more money.而这有望创造更多的资金。
260I think it already has created more money this tax season.我想这个纳税季节已经创造了更多的钱
261We had the best tax season in American history我们有美国历史上最好的纳税季节
262in terms of refunds for Americans,美国人的退款
263and that's going to put more money into your pockets.这会把更多的钱 进入你的口袋。
264But I take your point that this hasn't flown但我认为你没有飞过
265down to your business entirely.完全归你管
266And I want to just be honest about this我想说实话
267because, Tony, you made a point.因为,托尼,你讲到重点了
268You said we didn't campaign on Rome,你说我们没有竞选罗马
269wasn't built in a day,不是在一天之内建成的
270but I think fundamentally if you go back但我认为如果你回去
271to the speeches that I was making我当时的演讲
272and that President Trump was making,而特朗普总统正在做,
273what broke the United States,是什么打破了美国,
274as much as I might like to criticize Joe Biden,虽然我想批评乔拜登
275but it was a bipartisan multi-generational failure但这是两党多代的失败
276to under invest in American workers,对美国工人的投资不足,
277to under invest in American manufacturing,投资不足 美国制造业,
278to ship all of our good jobs overseas.把我们的好工作都送到海外
279And of course, if all the good jobs are overseas,当然 如果所有好工作都在国外
280then people here in Michigan然后有人在这里密歇根州
281can't spend money at your family business.不能在家族事业上花钱
282And what we have tried to do,而我们试图做的,
283and I think that we've already seen我想我们已经看到了
284some significant signs of progress.一些重大的进展迹象。
285We've seen over a million jobs created已经创造了一百多万个工作
286since Donald Trump was president.自从唐纳德·特朗普担任总统以来
287By the way, those jobs,对了 那些工作
288unlike in the last administration,不像上届政府
289all of the net job growth所有净就业增长
290went to American citizens去了美国公民那里
291rather than under the Biden administration而不是由拜登政府管理
292went to the foreign born.去外国出生。
293You're seeing $11 trillion你看见了11兆
294of new investment coming新的投资
295to the United States of America.给美利坚合众国的普通照会
296Now, where you see that现在,当你看到
297in the jobs numbers right now,在工作号码,现在,
298and if you think about it,如果你考虑一下,
299it kind of makes sense.有点道理
300I was like, why are we seeing more我想,我们为什么看到更多
301in construction than manufacturing?在建筑业比制造业?
302And somebody said, well,有人说
303you got to build the factories first.你要先建工厂
304That's the construction.这就是建筑。
305And then the manufacturing jobs come online.然后制造业的工作上线。
306And in Michigan, GM, Ford,在密歇根,GM,福特,
307we've seen massive,我们已经看到了巨大的,
308Stellantis, massive new investments斯特兰蒂斯,大规模新投资
309in Michigan auto factories.在密歇根汽车工厂。
310And so what I really believe,因此,我真正相信的是,
311and I grew up in a town我在一个小镇长大
312{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}就像隔年一样
313or maybe every other month,或者每隔一个月
314you would see some new factory closed down.你会看到一些新的工厂关闭。
315You'd find out that some friend of yours你会发现你的某个朋友
316lost their job or their dad lost their job.失去工作或他们的父亲失去工作。
317Their mom lost their gainful employment.他们的妈妈失去了有报酬的工作。
318And it's not just a wage.这不仅仅是工资
319It's also your sense of dignity and purpose.这也是你的尊严和使命感.
320Is that mistake happened over my entire life.那是我一辈子都搞错了吗?
321Closing down factories关闭工厂
322rather than reinvesting in America而不是在美国再投资
323and American workers.还有美国工人
324We are turning the tide on this.我们正在扭转这个趋势。
325And I think there are all these things我想这些东西都存在
326I pointed to that show signs of progress.我指出了这一进展的迹象。
327But Sandy, I'll be the first person to tell you但是桑迪,我会第一个告诉你
328that just as this country wasn't broken就像这个国家没有崩溃一样
329in one presidential term,在一个总统任期内,
330it's going to take more than 18 months要花超过18个月
331to fix things and turn them around.来修补事情,并扭转它们。
332So Vice President Vance,副总统万斯
333there's a big difference有一个很大的区别
334between what you're saying right now你刚才说的话
335and what President Trump says以及川普总统说的话
336when he's out on the trail.当他出轨时
337He says it's an A-plus economy.他说这是一种A+经济.
338You say it's going to take time.你说这需要时间。
339You say you're frustrated at times.你说你有时候很沮丧
340Which is it?是哪个?
341Well, I think that what the president is saying我想总统说的
342is that we are seeing all of these我们正看到所有这些
343massive new investments大规模新投资
344come into our country.来到我们的国家。
345But he would be the first person to tell you但他会是第一个告诉你的人
346that you got to build the factories first你要先建工厂
347before you can employ the workers在雇用工人之前
348working in those factories.在那些工厂工作
349But to her point,但对于她来说,
350it's not an A-plus economy这不是一个A+经济
351if you heard stories like this.如果你听到这样的故事。
352Well, I think what we're doing好吧,我想我们在做什么
353is we're turning the ship around, Sandy.我们要把船转过来,桑迪
354That's what I would say.我会这么说的
355And I really do believe that rather,我真的相信这一点,
356you know, and frankly,老实说,
357it was the Democrats and Republicans是民主党和共和党
358who pursued what I would call他们追随我所说的,
359a sugar-high economy,高糖经济,
360where you just kick the can down the road.你只是把罐子踢到路边
361You don't try to solve the fundamental issues.你不试图解决根本问题。
362It's your point about what the president这是你的重点 关于什么总统
363has said and what he's done.已经说了,他做了什么。
364Sandy, I've sat in a lot of meetings桑迪,我参加过很多会议
365with the president in the Oval Office.总统在总统办公室
366And it's interesting where people有趣的是人们
367will come to him and say,将来到他那里,说:
368well, why are you doing this?你为什么要这么做?
369This is hard.这很难。
370Just do the easy thing.做简单的事吧
371Just do the politically popular thing.只是做政治流行的事情。
372And sometimes he'll say,有时他会说,
373because America was broken因为美国崩溃了
374by politicians doing the easy thing政客们做的轻松的事
375and doing the politically popular thing.和做政治流行的事情。
376Sometimes you've got to be willing有时候你必须愿意
377to do the hard things,做艰难的事情,
378and those things take time.那些东西需要时间。
379And by the way, Sandy,对了,桑迪,
380there are things that we look,有些东西我们看,
381we need to do more我们需要做更多
382and we can certainly do better.我们当然可以做得更好。
383One of the things I'm proudest of我最骄傲的一件事
384is that we at the Small Business Administration,我们是在小企业管理局,
385I'm sure an agency that is very close我敢肯定,一个非常接近的机构
386to your heart, we've uncovered对你的心脏,我们已经发现了
387tens of billions of dollars of fraud数百亿美元的欺诈
388so that we can make better这样我们才能更好
389small business loans小企业贷款
390to businesses like yours.给像你这样的企业
391We want the money to go to you我们要钱交给你
392and not to the fraudster.而不是对骗子。
393So there are things that we're doing所以有些事情我们正在做
394and we've just got to keep working at it.我们只能继续努力
395And I go back to the Kishan's point here我回到基山的点
396and I'll just be very brief on this.我将非常简短地谈论这一点。
397But when I hear the Democrats,但当我听到民主党的声音时,
398what I hear very often我经常听到的
399is them complaining about problems,他们是在抱怨问题,
400sometimes problems有时有问题
401that they themselves created.那是他们自己创造的。
402When a Democrat talks to me当一个民主党人跟我说话
403about high energy prices关于高能源价格
404and that same Democrat和同一个民主党人
405supported the Green New Deal,支持绿色新政,
406I say, you are the reason我说,你就是原因
407why this happened为什么发生这种事
408and we are trying to fix it.我们正试图修复它。
409But I'm not going to lie to you但我不会骗你的
410and tell you that it's going并告诉你,这是去
411to be fixed overnight.被整顿一夜。
412We've made a lot of progress,我们已经取得了很大进展,
413but there's a lot more to do.但还有很多事要做
414I'm glad you brought up fraud我很高兴你提起诈骗案
415because while we hear from people like this因为当我们听到这样的人
416and others around the country以及全国各地的其他人
417who are not feeling like他们不觉得
418they're getting richer themselves,他们自己越来越富有了,
419they see others that they feel他们看到别人,他们觉得
420are getting richer.越来越有钱了
421And that includes people包括人
422inside the Trump administration.特朗普政府内部
423There was a Fox News poll有一次福克斯新闻民调
424that came out.出来了
425You did a great job.你表现得很好
426Yeah, well done.是啊,干得不错。
427Bravo.厉害
428Just moments ago,刚才
429before we came out,在我们出来之前
430they found that corruption他们发现腐败
431was the number one issue是头号问题
432on voters' minds,在选民心目中,
433even more than gas prices.甚至超过天然气价格。
434Kishan was talking about.祁山在说.
435Another poll found that另一个民意调查发现,
436even half of Republicans甚至半数共和党人
437believe that认为
438Donald Trump's唐纳德·特朗普的
439personal business interests个人商业利益
440are affecting his decision影响他的决定
441as president.作为总统。
442And what that all comes back to,而这一切又回到,
443I think, is the question of,我想,问题是,
444have you seen anything你有没有看到什么
445inside the White House白宫内部
446when it comes to corruption当它涉及到腐败的时候,
447that makes you squeamish?这让你尖叫?
448You're asking,你问,
449has Donald Trump's decision-making拥有唐纳德·特朗普的决策权
450been influenced by his受到他的影响
451no, I'm asking if you've seen anything.不,我在问你有没有看到什么
452I've never seen anything like that.我从来没有见过这样的事。
453From anybody inside the White House.白宫里的任何人
454I've never seen anything like that我从来没有见过这样的事情
455from the president.从总统。
456Certainly, I mean, look,当然,我的意思是,你看,
457in Washington, D.C.,华盛顿特区
458people are constantly人们总是
459trying to get an edge.试图得到一个边缘。
460It's something that I have这是我拥有的东西
461complained about in Washington, D.C.,在华盛顿特区抱怨,
462for a long time.长久以来
463You see K Street lobbyists你看K街的说客
464who have tried to get meetings with me试图与我会面的人
465to advocate for a particular issue,倡导某一特定问题,
466and I won't take the meeting我不会参加这个会议
467or the president won't take the meeting.或者总统不会参加这个会议
468So, yeah, you certainly see所以,是的,你当然看到
469evidence of corruption腐败的证据
470in Washington, D.C.华盛顿特区
471Do I see evidence of corruption难道我看见腐败的证据吗?
472from the president of the United States?美国总统?
473From the administration.从行政.
474The administration is taking?行政部门要接管?
475No, Tony, I just don't.不,托尼,我只是没有。
476I think that there's a lot我觉得有很多
477of allegation out there,在那里的指控,
478and there's a lot of stuff有很多东西
479where, frankly,老实说,在哪里
480I've read these articles,我看过这些文章
481and I've read我读过
482the superficial summary,肤浅的总结,
483and I say, oh,我说,哦,
484that doesn't sound right.这听起来不对
485And then I go and do然后我就会去做
486the investigation myself,调查我自己,
487and I say, wait a second,我说,等一下,
488what they're saying他们说什么
489the president did总统做了
490or what they're saying或他们在说什么
491the president's son did,总统的儿子做了,
492he didn't actually do.他实际上没有这样做。
493So I think it's important所以我觉得这很重要
494in these things.这些东西。
495Let's not convict people我们不要给别人定罪
496in a court of law,在法院,
497because two things I'll say因为我会说两句话
498about the United States关于美国
499is that one-那个...
500This is not really about the president.这与总统无关
501He hates-他讨厌...
502No, it is.不,这是。
503It's a broader point.更广之分.
504Well, you're implicitly,好吧,你含蓄地,
505I think, saying that我想,说
506there's a corruption problem有个腐败问题
507that if he's not involved,如果他不参与,
508and I think you're accusing him我觉得你在指责他
509of at least sanctioning-至少制裁...
510The voters are saying that.选民是这么说的。
511Donald Trump hates唐纳德·特朗普讨厌
512when people make money off him.当人们从他身上挣钱。
513He hates the idea他讨厌这个想法
514that somebody would come in有人会进来
515and say, I'm going to give you并说,我要给你
516a meeting with the president,会见总统,
517and I'm going to get rich我会发财
518because I gave you access因为我给了你权限
519to the president.致总统
520The president would never总统绝对不会
521tolerate that behavior, Tony.容忍这种行为,托尼。
522Now-现在...
523Just one more question here, guys.再问一个问题
524Go ahead.来吧。
525Vice President Vance,副总统万斯,
526I appreciate it.谢谢
527The issue that voters see选民看到的问题
528and that gets on their mind这让他们想到
529and that I hear when I'm out there我听到当我在那里
530is the president is making总统正在制作
531a lot of money off of crypto.大量的钱从密码。
532His own IRS has barred他自己的国税局禁止
533from looking into his tax returns.从查看他的纳税申报。
534You have this recent issue你最近有个问题
535with the ambassador to Greece与驻希腊大使
536seeming to sell access似乎在出售访问权
537to the White House.去白宫
538That's why people are concerned,这就是为什么人们关心,
539and if there's nothing to hide,如果没什么好隐瞒的
540you say you've seen nothing.你说你什么都没看见
541First of all, somebody selling首先,有人卖
542access to the White House,进入白宫,
543that's disgusting and despicable,恶心又卑鄙
544and they should suffer consequences.他们应该承受后果。
545What I'm saying is-我是说...
546That's an isolated incident, though.这是一个孤立的事件,虽然。
547I wouldn't make those judgments我不会做出那些判决
548based on the facts根据事实
549and not based on a random而不是基于随机
550news media report that I read.新闻媒体报道我读。
551Fair enough.不错
552So when the facts所以当事实
553are being investigated,正在调查中,
554let's say in January,这么说吧,一月份
555if there's a democratic如果有一个民主
556controlled Congress,控制国会,
557will you comply and honor subpoenas?你会遵守并尊重传票吗?
558Of course.当然
559Of course I will.我当然会
560Look, I mean, we follow the law.你看,我的意思是,我们遵循法律。
561I follow the law.我从法行.
562I'm a law-abiding guy我是个守法的人
563outside of speeding,除了超速,
564which luckily,幸运的是,
565thanks to the Secret Service感谢特勤局
566and the generosity和慷慨,
567of the American people,美国人民,
568I don't drive anymore.我不开车了。
569Probably good for the insurance rates也许对保险费率有好处
570in southwestern Ohio.在俄亥俄州西南部
571But look, man, I think that但是,伙计,我觉得
572I've seen these media reports我看过媒体的报道
573and I have the same reaction我也有同样的反应
574I imagine a lot of people我想象着很多人
575in this room have,在这个房间里,
576which it makes me uneasy这让我不安
577when I read about my public officials当我读到我的公职人员
578potentially getting wealthy可能变得富有
579off of my public trust.失去我的公众信任
580And I'm telling you我告诉你
581that while, yes,虽然,是的,
582D.C. is a corrupt town,华盛顿是个腐败小镇
583Tony, you know this as well as anybody,托尼,你知道这一点 与任何人,
584Donald Trump,唐纳德·特朗普
585I have not seen a single我一个都没见过
586shred of evidence证据
587that he participates他参加
588or sanctions in that corruption.或对腐败的制裁。
589By the way,对了
590this guy was a billionaire这家伙是个亿万富翁
591before he ever got into politics.在他进入政界之前
592He made a lot of money他赚了很多钱
593before he got into politics.在他进入政界之前
594Would anybody look有人会看
595at what happened to him他发生了什么事
596from 2016 to 2021?从2016年到2021年?
597They tried to throw him in jail他们想把他关进监狱
598for like 900 years约900年
599and say that Donald Trump说唐纳德·特朗普
600has personally enriched himself.亲自致富
601You can make all kinds of criticisms你可以提出各种批评
602of our policies and decisions,我们的政策和决定,
603but I don't see a single,但我一个都没看到
604I've not once seen evidence我从未见过证据
605that Donald Trump has enriched himself.唐纳德·特朗普丰富了自我
606You know, for tonight's town hall,今晚的市政厅
607we got more questions我们有更多的问题
608on the topic of data centers数据中心专题
609than anything else.比其他任何东西都好
610Sure.当然
611And a lot of the questions还有很多问题
612came in from self-identified是从自我识别出来的
613Trump voters.特朗普选民.
614I guess they're part of this我想他们也是其中之一
61570% of Americans70%的美国人
616who do not want data centers不需要数据中心的人
617built near their homes.在他们的家附近建造的。
618And we have one such voter tonight.我们有一个这样的选民 今晚。
619Lindy Valenzuela is here.林迪·瓦伦苏埃拉来了
620Lindy, the floor is yours.林迪,地板是你的了。
621Mr. Vice President,副总统先生,
622I live in Dewajack, Michigan.我住在密歇根州的德瓦杰克
623My family and I live我的家人和我活着
624directly across the street街对面
625from a data center.从一个数据中心。
626For years, we had been exposed多年来,我们一直暴露
627to the constant noise不断的噪音
628from this company's daily operations.从这家公司的日常业务。
629Being outdoors for any amount of time在户外呆上多久
630became unbearable,变得无法忍受,
631resulting in our yard导致我们的院子里
632becoming a useless patch of grass成为无用的草地
633that we could look at, but not enjoy.我们可以看,但不享受。
634Opening our windows打开我们的窗户
635to let in a breeze在微风中
636became a luxury成为奢侈品
637that we could no longer enjoy.我们不能再享受了
638Even with our windows closed,即使我们关闭了窗户
639the buzzing could be heard可以听到嗡嗡声
640throughout our home,在我们整个家
641day and night, 24-7.昼夜247号
642Our children's room我们的孩子的房间
643faces the data center.面对数据中心。
644And our two small boys还有我们两个小男孩
645had to sleep through不得不睡过
646this constant noise.这种持续的声音。
647It was like having a vacuum就像真空一样
648in our living room.在我们的客厅。
649It has taken a class action lawsuit它提起集体诉讼
650of which I am a plaintiff我是一个原告
651for this nuisance对于这种烦恼
652to finally be addressed.最后将讨论。
653You claim to care about你声称关心
654communities like mine.像我这样的社区
655What are you doing你在干吗?
656about this problem?关于这个问题?
657Well, it's a great question.嗯,这是一个伟大的问题。
658And I want to assure you我向你保证
659that we do very much我们做的很多
660care about communities like yours.关心像你这样的社区
661How old are your kids, can I ask?你的孩子多大了,我可以问一下吗?
662Yeah, sure.当然
663My youngest is three months,我最小的三个月
664and my oldest is 21 months.我最年长的21个月。
665Oh, wow.哦,哇呜。
666What's the birthday of your youngest?你最小的生日是什么时候?
667His birthday is July 11th.他的生日为7月11日.
668Oh, wow.哦,哇呜。
669Okay, so ours is July 19th.好吧,所以我们的是7月19日。
670That's when baby Alec was born.这时婴儿阿莱克出生.
671So we have a baby eight days apart.所以,我们有一个孩子 8天的间隔。
672That's amazing.这是惊人的。
673So I really do care about this,所以我真的很关心这个,
674and I care about it我关心
675not just because I can tell you,不只是因为我可以告诉你,
676as I'm sure you could tell我敢肯定,你可以告诉
677everybody else,其他人都一样
678that when you have a three-month-old当你有一个三个月大的
679who's exposed to constant noise,经常发出声音
680it can be a problem for everybody,这会是每个人的问题,
681especially mom's sleep.特别是妈妈的睡眠。
682And so very, very mindful of that.如此,非常,非常铭记这一点。
683And I guess the way that I think about it is我想我想我的想法是这样的
684data centers can be good.数据中心可以很好
685They can also, as in your case,他们也可以,像你的情况一样,
686cause real problems.造成真正的问题。
687And I think there's some basic principles我认为有些基本原则
688that we've tried to apply我们试图申请
689in the Trump administration.在特朗普政府。
690My guess is that that data center我猜是那个数据中心
691is a little older and not,有点老了,没有,
692it wasn't built in the last year or so.它不是在去年左右建造的。
693It's a bit complicated.有点复杂。
694So the building has always been there,所以这栋楼一直在那里
695but the company came in但公司来了
696and the data center took place around 2024.而数据中心则发生在2024年左右.
697Okay, so I guess my point is好吧,我猜我的观点是
698I think that we have to make sure我认为我们必须确定
699that these things are good community members.这些东西是很好的社区成员。
700And there are a couple of examples of this还有几个例子
701where I think it's worked very well在那里我觉得它的工作非常好
702for the local communities.为当地社区服务。
703So there's an example in Louisiana路易斯安那州有个例子
704of a data center where the local community,的数据中心,其中当地社区,
705the local teachers are going to be当地教师将会是
706getting $50,000 bonuses per teacher每名教师获得50 000美元的奖金
707because of the revenue that's been generated因为已经产生了收入
708by data centers, which I'm sure在数据中心,我确定
709is going to make the school system学校的系统
710a lot better, make the teachers好多了,让老师
711a lot happier and get them更快乐,然后得到他们
712some of the money that they've earned.他们挣来的钱
713At the same time, that data center同时,该数据中心
714is going to feed electricity{\fn华文楷体\fs16\1cHE0E0E0}将要提供电力供应
715back into the grid.回到电网。
716And your complaint is about noise.你的抱怨是噪音
717One of the biggest complaints最大的投诉之一
718I've heard with data centers,我听说过数据中心
719even from friends of mine甚至从我的朋友
720who are typically pro-innovation,他们是典型的提倡革新的,
721pro-technology is a data center went up支持技术的是一个数据中心上架了
722and my power bill went up by $300.我的电费涨了300美元
723And that's totally unacceptable.这是完全不能接受的。
724And what we've done,我们所做的一切
725it's called the Ratepayer Protection Pledge,叫做"纳税人保护承诺书"
726is that we've effectively required是,我们有效地要求
727the data centers to say数据中心
728before they go into community,在他们进入社区之前
729they're going to make sure他们会确保
730that they're good community citizens.他们都是好市民
731They're going to be given teachers bonuses他们将获得教师奖金
732rather than make it impossible而不是让它不可能
733for your three-month-old to sleep.让你三个月大的人睡觉
734And I think that basic principle has to apply我认为基本原则必须适用
735because there is a good因为有好的
736that comes from data centers too.这来自于数据中心。
737And what I mean is,我是说,
738whenever we use AI on our phone,只要我们用AI的手机,
739the actual work, the computation实际工作、计算
740is actually being done at a data center,实际上是在一个数据中心完成的,
741whether it's in Michigan无论它在密歇根州
742or anywhere else across the country.或全国各地的任何地方
743And we do know,而且我们知道,
744and I've seen the intelligence reports我看过情报报告
745that our biggest competitor internationally,我们最大的国际竞争者,
746the People's Republic of China,中华人民共和国,
747they really, really want to beat us他们真的,真的想打败我们
748in this arms race of technology.技术的军备竞赛。
749And so I think that so long as所以我认为,只要
750we follow a simple principle,我们遵循一个简单的原则,
751data centers have to be good citizens.数据中心必须是好公民。
752They have to not build in a way他们一定不能以某种方式建造
753that's going to make it impossible这会使它不可能
754for your kids to sleep.让你的孩子睡觉。
755They have to feed power back into the community.他们必须把电力带回社区
756They have to maybe,他们也许必须
757some of the economic benefits部分经济利益
758they're generating,他们正在生成,
759they can't just go to a few tech billionaires.他们不能只是去 几个技术亿万富翁。
760It has to go to the community writ large.它必须去社区 书状大。
761And I think if we follow that principle,我认为如果我们遵循这一原则,
762we can actually solve your problem,我们能解决你的问题
763but also a lot of the problems但也有很多问题
764that people have with data centers too.人们也有数据中心。
765But we have to do it.但我们必须这样做。
766We can't just say我们不能说
767data centers are going to go in everywhere.数据中心将进入任何地方。
768I think that what we have to say我想我们要说的
769is data centers can go in数据中心可以进入
770so long as local communities are okay with them只要当地社区同意
771and they can have real benefits他们可以得到真正的好处
772if they're done the right way.如果他们做正确的方式。
773Thank you, Lindy.谢谢你,林迪。
774We have a lot of topics to get to,我们有很多话题要谈,
775but you mentioned tech billionaires.但你提到了技术亿万富翁。
776And when you take a step back当你退一步
777on the data center question,关于数据中心的问题,
778for a lot of people,对于很多人来说,
779it's about cultural and political power.这是关于文化和政治权力。
780It's about those tech billionaires.是关于那些技术亿万富翁的
781Of course.当然
782Do you feel like tech billionaires你感觉像技术亿万富翁
783have too much power over the country?对国家有太多权力吗?
784Oh, yes.对
785I mean, I've been saying that for 10 years.我的意思是,我已经说了10年了。
786And I say that as this person而我说作为这个人
787who actually knows the technology industry pretty well.他们其实很了解技术产业。
788I worked in the technology industry我在科技行业工作过
789for a little while.一会儿
790Look, I think AI,听着,我想AI,
791there are a lot of people who focus on the risks很多人都专注于风险
792and what are the benefits和什么好处,
793and what are the bad things.和什么是坏东西。
794And sometimes you'll see有时你会看到
795one of these AI company CEOs.这些AI公司的首席执行官之一。
796And I always laugh at this我总是笑这个
797because if you think about it,因为如果你考虑一下
798it's really absurd for a tech CEO对于技术总裁来说,这真是荒谬
799to come out and say,出来说,
800we have built this extremely dangerous product.我们制造了这个极其危险的产品。
801It's terrible.这太可怕了。
802And it's going to do all these terrible things.它会做所有这些可怕的事情。
803And what we need now is the government's help.我们现在需要的是政府的帮助。
804And my response to that is,我的反应是,
805no, no, no, no.不,不,不,没有。
806If you've built a dangerous product如果你制造了危险产品
807and you know you were building a dangerous product,你知道你在制造危险产品
808that's on you.这是你的责任。
809It's not up to the government这不由政府决定
810or your fellow citizens to come and bail you out.或者你的同胞来保释你
811Build safe products.建设安全产品.
812And one of the principles that we followed我们遵循的原则之一
813in the Trump administration,在特朗普政府,
814and we have been to be clear,我们确是明白的,
815we've been pro-innovation.我们一直支持创新
816We want people to build in the United States of America.我们希望人们在美国建设。
817But if you're a technology company,但如果你是一个技术公司,
818you have responsibility for what you build.你对建造的东西负责
819So if it creates great benefits因此,如果它创造了巨大的好处
820and it's a great product, wonderful.它是一个伟大的产品,美妙。
821Everybody benefits.每个人都受益。
822However, if it creates real problems,但是,如果这造成了真正的问题,
823then you have liability那你有责任
824for the problems your product creates.你的产品制造的问题。
825And we think that's the right approach我们认为这是正确的方法
826to take to this particular thing.带着这个特殊的东西。
827Let's move on to immigration.让我们继续移民。
828Can I just make one more point about this?我能再说一点吗?
829Tony, the way I worry most about the tech industry,Tony 我最担心的是科技行业
830because you saw this back in 2020,因为你在2020年看到了这个
831who here knows somebody who said something on Facebook谁知道有人在脸书上说了些什么
832在YouTube上被立即禁止
833from their social media account从他们的社交媒体账户
834because they said something因为他们说了些什么
835that turned out to be totally true结果完全是真的
836that everybody agreed on two years later.两年后大家都同意了
837My biggest concern is that we have to be clear我最担心的是我们必须明白
838that the American people and the First Amendment美国人民和第一修正案
839drives what we're allowed to say in our country,开着我们国家允许说的话
840not tech leaders.不是技术领导
841And that's one of the ways这是其中之一
842in which the president, I think,在其中,总统,我认为,
843has been a leader on this,曾经是这方面的领导者,
844not just the past couple of years,不仅仅是过去的几年,
845but the past 10 years is the First Amendment但过去10年是第一修正案
846determines what we're allowed to say决定我们该说什么
847in the United States of America,在美利坚合众国,
848not some billionaire.不是亿万富翁
849All right, Vice President Vance,好吧,副总统万斯,
850I want to move on to immigration,我想继续移民
851another topic that stirs passionate opinion又一个引起热情观点的话题
852in this country.在这个国家。
853And we have a voter here tonight,今晚这里有个选民
854Nancy Sylvester, sister Nancy Sylvester,南茜·西尔维斯特 姐姐南茜·西尔维斯特
855from Sisters Servants of the Immaculate Heart圣母的姐妹
856of Mary Congregation in Monroe.在梦露的玛丽公会。
857She's got a question for you, Sister Nancy.她有个问题要问你 Nancy修女
858Right here, thank you.在这里,谢谢你。
859Mr. Vice President, we have sisters副总统先生,我们有姐妹
860who minister at the southern border in United States,在美国南部边境的部长
861as well as here around Detroit.还有底特律附近
862And they are constantly seeing families他们经常见到家人
863who are affected by our immigration policies.受我们移民政策影响的人。
864They see the trauma of children他们看到孩子的创伤
865who are separated from their parents,与父母分离者,
866sometimes on a moment's notice.有时候在一瞬间。
867They go to school and they come back他们上学就回来了
868and they're not there.他们不在那里。
869And they have to sort of fend for themselves.他们必须自食其力
870And so the sisters see the kind of effect,所以姐妹们看到了那种效果
871the fear and violence of the ICE behavior.ICE行为的恐惧和暴力.
872We know the complexity of this issue,我们知道这个问题的复杂性,
873but what really pains us但真正让我们痛苦的是
874is how it's being implemented in such ways.如何以这种方式执行。
875And so I'm going to sort of know所以我会知道
876that both of us share the same faith.我们都一样
877We may not always agree,我们可能并不总是同意
878because I understand you don't always因为我理解你并不总是
879even agree with our Pope sometimes.甚至有时同意我们的教皇。
880And so I want to though wonder,所以我想问一下
881what would you say,你会说什么,
882how would you justify to people of faith,你怎能为信道的人们辩护呢?
883especially those of us who try to follow the gospel,特别是我们中那些试图遵循福音的人,
884how the behavior of the ICE men and womenICE的男女行为如何
885can constantly be justified总是有道理的
886in terms of the kind of values we want to live by.就我们想要的价值观而言
887And also what policies would you advocate以及你主张什么政策
888to try to promote more compassionate尝试促进更富有同情心
889and respective behavior和各自的行为
890toward our immigrants, sisters and brothers?我们的移民,兄弟姐妹?
891Sure.当然
892Well, Sister Nancy, I appreciate you.南茜修女,我很感激你
893And hopefully I'll be in your prayers希望我会在你的祈祷中
894as you'll certainly be in mine.就像你一定会在我的。
895And on the subject of the Pope,关于教皇,
896just because you brought him up,就因为你把他提起来
897he just had a lung cancer diagnosis.他刚刚做了肺癌诊断
898But as I understand his health is in a good place.但据我所知,他的身体很好
899So I hope all Christians and people of faith所以我希望所有基督徒和信徒
900will join me in praying for the Pope,与我一起为教皇祈祷
901because I think he's a good man.因为我觉得他是个好人
902And obviously the first American Pope,很明显,第一个美国教皇
903which is something we're very, very proud of.这是我们非常,非常骄傲的事情。
904So let me say, one,所以,让我说,一个,
905we're trying to strike the right balance.我们试图找到正确的平衡。
906And when you have a country当你有一个国家
907where approximately 25 million illegal aliens大约2 500万非法外国人
908have come in over the past 30 or so years,过去30年来,
909many of them completely unchecked and unvetted,他们中有许多人,是不受约束的,是不受考验的,
910we're trying to strike a balance我们试图保持平衡
911between how do we do law enforcement,我们如何执法
912but how do we also do it humanely?但是我们怎样才能人道地做到这一点呢?
913And how do we not do so little law enforcement我们怎么不这么少执法
914that you actually empower你实际上赋予
915some of the worst people in the world?世界上最差的人吗?
916Are you not striking that balance?你没有达到平衡吗?
917Well, I think that it is constantly我觉得它总是
918a work in progress, Tony.东尼,工作正在进行中
919When you're talking about millions当你在谈论百万
920and millions of people and hundreds数百万人和数百人
921and hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers,和数十万执法人员,
922we've even just in the past year or so我们刚刚一年左右
923increased training protocols,增加培训协议,
924because I do think the men and women of ICE, by the way,因为我确实认为 ICE的男女,顺便说一句,
925it's like the men and women of law enforcement.就像执法部门的人
926Most of them are amazing people who are patriots他们大多是爱国者
927and they want to do a good job protecting their country.他们想做好保护祖国的工作
928Sometimes you have some people who make mistakes.有时你会有一些犯错的人
929Sometimes you have some people who really screw up.有时你有些人真的搞砸了
930And obviously we have a responsibility显然我们有责任
931to prosecute, investigate when people do screw up.起诉,调查 当人们真的搞砸了。
932What are some of those times?这些时候是什么?
933I think it's important.我认为这很重要。
934She's seen the things that we've all seen online,她看到的东西 我们都在网上看到,
935these incidents that come up.这些事件 出现了。
936A lot of times people talk about them人们经常谈论他们
937before they're investigated.在他们被调查之前
938You just mentioned times where there have been mistakes你刚才提到过有错误的地方
939and there have been investigations,有调查,
940but I actually haven't heard you talk about those.但我实际上还没有听到 你谈论这些。
941What comes to mind for you as the biggest mistakes是什么让你想到最大的错误
942in this ICE policy and rollout?在这种ICE政策和推出中?
943There are a number of cases where we've investigated我们调查了很多案件
944and either provided further training或提供进一步培训
945or sometimes even provided disciplinary situations within ICE.有时甚至会在ICE内提供纪律情况。
946We don't always advertise that stuff.我们不是总在做广告的
947You know, Tony, because we believe that people你知道,托尼,因为我们相信人们
948have to be judged in a court of law必须在法院审判
949and through a normal investigatory process.通过正常的调查程序。
950We don't jump in and try to accuse people just again我们不跳进去 试图指责别人
951because what we've seen in a news media article.因为我们在新闻报导中看到的
952But I think Sister Nancy's point,但我认为南茜修女的观点
953because I'm sure Sister that you're,因为我敢肯定修女,你是,
954the people working with you,与你共事的人们,
955I'm sure they're doing amazing ministry work我敢肯定,他们做 惊人的部内工作
956and are very grateful for it.并对此非常感激。
957What I would say is that what we saw over the last five years,我想说的是,我们在过去5年里看到的,
958before we came in, I mean, is we have to talk about the fact我们进来之前 我是说 我们得谈谈事实
959that drug cartels were sex trafficking贩毒集团是性交易
960thousands and thousands of children,成千上万的儿童,
961thousands of thousands of girls成千上万的女孩
962who were sold into sex slavery.他们被卖成了性奴隶。
963Of course, the fentanyl trade,当然,芬太尼交易,
964which killed a lot of people in Michigan.在密歇根州杀了很多人
965So I do think despite what some people say in the press,所以我想,尽管有些人在媒体上说,
966I promise you that we wake up every day我答应你,我们每天醒来
967and we try to balance law enforcement我们试图平衡执法
968with humane law enforcement.与人道执法.
969And of course, when you're dealing with当然,当你面对
970hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officials,数十万执法人员,
971you're never going to get everything perfect.你永远不会得到一切完美。
972But I think the men and women of ICE by and large但我认为 ICE的男女 总的来说
973have done a good job.已经做了一个好工作。
974And where there are people who have screwed up,哪里有人搞错了
975of course, they should suffer consequences.当然,他们应该承受后果。
976So just taking a step back.所以往后退一点
977Go ahead, Sister Nancy.说吧,南希修女
978Please.请
979I want, I'm interested in how,我想,我有兴趣如何,
980from your very core of your faith,从你信仰的核心,
981how would you want to be,你想怎样?
982how do you want to treat immigrants?你想怎样对待移民?
983Because in many cases, we get slaved,因为在许多情况下 我们被奴役了
984they all are called terrorists sometimes by people.他们有时被人们称为恐怖分子。
985They are misaligned.他们搞错了
986How does, what would you want?怎么样,你想要什么?
987How would you want to do it?你想怎样做?
988Sister Nancy, actually, our next questionNancy修女,其实,我们下一个问题
989is on that same point.也一样
990So I want to make this,所以我想做这个,
991you've got Sister Nancy's question there,你有南希修女的问题,
992how you treat immigrants, the words that you use.如何对待移民, 你使用的词。
993There's another voter here who's concerned这里还有另一个选民担心
994that your immigration policy has been swept up您的移民政策被扫荡
995into this broader anti-immigrant sentiment.进入这种更广泛的反移民情绪。
996Niv Agaram is here with a question.尼夫·阿加兰在这里有一个问题。
997Hey, my name is Niv.嘿,我的名字是尼夫。 - 嘿,我叫尼夫。
998My family and I immigrated here about 20 years ago我家和我20年前移民到这里
999and I became a citizen about five years ago.我五年前成为公民
1000So you were the first person I voted for, actually.所以,你是我投的第一个人,实际上。
1001Oh, wow, congratulations and welcome.哦,哇,恭喜和欢迎。
1002One reason, because of the reasons you just mentioned,其中一个原因 因为你刚才提到的原因
1003I was concerned about border safety,我担心边境安全
1004as in the trafficking and the drugs,就像贩卖毒品一样
1005not because I think immigrants actually take away jobs不是因为我认为 移民真的拿走了工作
1006from Americans, but after seeing ICE behave从美国人,但看到ICE行为后
1007like military police and you recently call H1 visa workers像宪兵,你最近打电话给H1签证工人
1008foreign indentured servants,外国契约仆人,
1009I think Americans are anything but safe.我认为美国人除了安全之外 什么都不是
1010So I'm just curious,所以,我只是好奇的,因为,
1011why are you scapegoating immigrants你们为什么替移民做替罪羊
1012for the issues you're supposed to be solving对于你应该解决的问题
1013as a vice president?作为副总统?
1014So Niv, first of all, I appreciate the question.所以,Niv,首先,我很感激这个问题。
1015And I would say,我会说,
1016and to the extent that my rhetoric has been imperfect here,以及我在这里的言辞不完美,
1017that's on me.这由我负责。
1018But what I said about certain visa holders,但我说的一些签证持有者,
1019certain H1B visas, not the entire category,某些H1B签证,不是整个类别,
1020is here's what happens with an H1B.这是H1B的下场
1021You may know a lot about this, but other people may not.你可能对此很了解 但其他人可能不知道
1022Is when they come in on an H1B,是当他们进来的H1B,
1023they're very often coming in and the company is certifying他们经常进来 公司正在认证
1024that they're doing a job that they can't find他们在做他们找不到的工作
1025an alternative American labor applicant for.美国劳工的另类申请人
1026And importantly, their visa is their only lifeline更重要的是,他们的签证是他们唯一的生命线
1027to the United States of America.给美利坚合众国的普通照会
1028So when I say an indentured servant,所以当我说契约仆人
1029that's not a criticism of the H1B visa holder,这不是对H1B签证持有者的批评,
1030that's a criticism of a company who brings a person in,那是对一个带人进来的公司的批评
1031who sometimes will literally lay off an American worker,有时会解雇一个美国工人
1032bring somebody else in and knows that person.带别人进来认识那个人
1033If they complain, if they get too uppity at work,如果他们抱怨, 如果他们在工作时太生气,
1034if they have a disagreement with their boss,如果他们和他们的老板有分歧
1035they couldn't just lose their job,他们不能就这么丢掉工作
1036which is what could happen to any American citizen,任何美国公民都会遇到这样的事
1037could happen to me in a couple of years.可能发生在我身上 在几年。
1038It's what fundamentally,从根本上来说,
1039they can be shipped back to their country of origin.他们可以被运回原籍国。
1040And I think that gives employers way too much power.我认为这给了雇主太多的权力。
1041That's not a criticism, again,这不是批评,再次,
1042maybe my rhetoric has been imperfect here,也许我的言辞不完美
1043but of the person holding the visa,但持有签证的人,
1044it's a criticism of the visa system这是对签证制度的批评
1045that allows people to be treated effectively* 使人们得到有效对待;
1046as indentured servants that can be shipped back作为契约的仆人 可以运回
1047to their country of origin.他们的原籍国。
1048Now to your other question about the demonization现在到你另一个关于恶魔化的问题
1049of immigrants, you know where my family comes from移民,你知道我的家人来自哪里
1050and I love my mother-in-law and father-in-law我爱我的岳母和岳父
1051who immigrated from South India从南印度移民的人
1052and obviously their daughter born in the United States显然他们的女儿在美国出生
1053of America is now the second lady美国现在是第二位了
1054and I'm very proud of her and I love her very much.我以她为荣 我非常爱她
1055But I think that we can have a respect and a welcome但我认为我们可以受到尊敬和欢迎
1056to people who wanna contribute给那些想要贡献的人
1057to the United States of America,给美利坚合众国的普通照会,
1058I'm sure as you do, as certainly my wife我敢肯定,像你一样,当然是我的妻子
1059and her family does, but also recognize她的家人也承认
1060that if you're a major corporation,如果你是一个大公司,
1061let's say you're a trillion dollar company假设你是万亿公司
1062and you bring in somebody, an accountant,你带了个会计进来
1063and you say that you cannot hire an accountant你说你不能雇会计
1064from your existing labor pool.从你现有的劳动力池。
1065And when you're doing that, you fire an accountant当你这样做,你解雇了一个会计
1066that was already on the payroll, that's not fairness.那已经是工资单了 这不公平
1067It's not good for the immigrant这对移民不好
1068and it's not good for the American worker这对美国工人不好
1069and I do think that we can strike that balance我觉得我们可以保持平衡
1070in the right way.在正确的方式。
1071I think that our immigration system has to balance我认为我们的移民制度必须平衡
1072the fact that obviously we have duties of charity to people,很明显,我们有责任为人们施舍,
1073people who wanna come to the United States of America来美国的人
1074and build a better life who can contribute to that.并建立一个更好的生活 谁可以为此作出贡献。
1075They're not talking about the system or the policy,他们不是在谈论制度或政策
1076they're talking about the rhetoric, the language,他们正在谈论 修辞,语言,
1077what they see as dehumanization of immigrants.他们认为移民的非人化。
1078Sure, and Tony, I will tell you that nobody's perfect,当然,托尼,我会告诉你 没有人是完美的,
1079certainly not me, but my goal here is not to dehumanize当然不是我 但我的目标不是非人化
1080any immigrant, in fact, I love a number of immigrants.任何移民,事实上, 我爱一些移民。
1081My goal here is to make it so that we can have a country我在这里的目标是,让我们有一个国家
1082with some baseline of social cohesion具有一定的社会凝聚力基线
1083and sense of community.以及社区感
1084Because what happens when too many people come因为太多人来时会怎样
1085to the United States,致美国,
1086even if they're very good people, Sister Nancy,就算他们是好人 南希修女
1087when too many people come to the United States too quickly,当太多的人来美国太快,
1088it changes the country in very profound ways.它深刻地改变了国家。
1089I have neighbors, I have friends of mine我有邻居,有朋友
1090who literally don't know a single person他们根本不认识一个人
1091in their neighborhood who speaks the language they do.他们的邻居会说他们所学的语言
1092Now, that's not a criticism of anybody,这不是对任何人的批评
1093but I don't think it's unreasonable但我不觉得不合理
1094for an American citizen to want to share their community美国公民想要分享他们的社区
1095with people they have something in common with.他们和别人有共同之处
1096And I think our immigration system has to build that.我认为我们的移民制度必须建立起来。
1097It has to obviously be charitable to people,很明显,这是慈善 对人们,
1098it has to welcome people who are gonna contribute它必须欢迎那些会作出贡献的人
1099to the country, but it also has to not do it so quickly给国家,但也不能这么快
1100that we fundamentally transform the country in a bad way.根本改变国家的方式
1101Mr. Vice President, the war in Iran is gone on much longer副总统先生,伊朗战争持续了很久
1102than I think a lot of people expected,比我想象的很多人预期的,
1103certainly people in the administration.当然,人们在管理。
1104I have really just one big question on Iran.我有一个关于伊朗的大问题。
1105Why haven't we won decisively?为什么我们还没赢?
1106Well, Tony, I would say in some ways we have won decisively,那个 托尼,我想说,在某些方面,我们已经取得了决定性的胜利,
1107but the Iranians, the enemy gets a vote here但是伊朗人,敌人在这里投票
1108and they have responded in certain ways.他们以某种方式响应。
1109And so to step back a little bit,所以为了退后一点
1110why did the President of the United States do this?为什么美国总统要这么做?
1111The President of the United States did this美国总统干的
1112because he believes it is very important.因为他认为这很重要
1113And I think he's right, I think most people here would agree我觉得他是对的,我想这里大多数人会同意
1114and if they don't agree with all the particulars如果他们不同意所有细节
1115of the policy to say Iran, the largest state sponsor说伊朗是最大的赞助国
1116of terrorism in the world cannot have a nuclear weapon.世界上的恐怖主义不能拥有核武器。
1117That would be a massive thing that they could threaten.这会是他们可以威胁的大事
1118That's also potentially something they could use这也是他们可能使用的东西
1119to kill millions of innocent civilians.杀害数百万无辜平民。
1120So Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.因此,伊朗不能拥有核武器。
1121Now, have we destroyed the Iranian nuclear program?现在,我们是否摧毁了伊朗的核计划?
1122The answer is yes.答为是.
1123So what are we doing now?那么我们现在在做什么?
1124There are two things that we're trying to accomplish.有两件事我们正在努力实现。
1125Number one, ensure the Iranians make a long-term第一,确保伊朗人做一个长期
1126but also verifiable commitment也可核查的承诺
1127that they're not gonna rebuild, right?他们不会重建,对吧?
1128You have to wonder, not over the administration你总得想着,不是因为政府
1129of Donald Trump because this stuff, excuse me,唐纳德・特朗普 因为这些东西,对不起,
1130takes a while, but five years from now,需要一段时间,但五年后
1131could the Iranians rebuild that nuclear arsenal?伊朗人能否重建核武库?
1132Could they try to rebuild that enrichment capacity?他们能否努力重建这种浓缩能力?
1133So that's number one.所以这是第一。
1134But then number two is,但第二点是,
1135when we destroyed their nuclear program,当我们摧毁他们的核计划时,
1136the Iranians responded by terrorizing commercial shipping.伊朗人的反应是恐吓商业航运。
1137And that's of course the big reason why,当然,这就是为什么,
1138or one of the big reasons I should say,或者我应该说的一个大原因,
1139why energy prices have gone up.能源价格为何上涨。
1140And so what we have to do is simultaneously make sure所以我们必须同时确保
1141that we get the final firm commitment from the Iranians我们得到伊朗人的最后坚定承诺
1142that they're not gonna rebuild their nuclear program.他们不会重建他们的核计划。
1143But we also have to ensure但我们也必须保证
1144that we don't have a worldwide energy crisis.我们没有全球能源危机。
1145And again, I will be the first to tell you,再说一次,我会第一个告诉你,
1146gas prices are too high.天然气价格过高。
1147They would be three times as high它们会是三倍高
1148if it weren't for the United States Navy如果不是美国海军
1149keeping oil and gas moving out of the Strait of Hormuz.油气不断从霍尔木兹海峡流出
1150So if we just give up, then we walk away所以,如果我们只是放弃, 然后我们走开
1151and say, oh, we destroyed their nuclear program,并说,哦,我们摧毁了他们的核计划,
1152who cares, energy prices are gonna go way up.谁在乎,能源价格会上升很多。
1153And that's something the president of the United States,美国总统就是这样
1154he wants American consumers to see that relief.他希望美国消费者看到这种缓解。
1155You have seen gas prices, not as low as they should be,你看到了天然气价格 而不是应该的低
1156but come down from their highest point of the conflict.但从冲突的最高点下来
1157And that's something we have to keep working on.我们必须继续研究
1158Vice President Vance, gas prices are one cost of this war.副总统万斯,天然气价格是这场战争的代价之一.
1159They're also human costs as well.他们也是人的代价
1160And with us in the audience tonight is Joey Amor,我们今晚的观众是乔伊·阿莫尔
1161whose wife, a US soldier, Master Sergeant Nicole Amor,他的妻子,一个美国士兵, 军士长Nicole Amor,
1162was killed in March in an Iranian airstrike.3月在伊朗空袭中丧生。
1163Joey, your floor is yours.乔伊,你的地板是你的。
1164God bless you, Joey, and thank you for your service.上帝保佑你,乔伊,谢谢你的服务。
1165Thank you, sir.谢谢你,先生。
1166And Herve.还有赫夫
1167Mr. Vice President,副总统先生,
1168my wife, Master Sergeant Nicole Amor,我妻子 尼科尔·阿莫尔中士
1169gave her life on March 1st, 2026.于2026年3月1日献出生命.
1170I am damn proud of my wife.我为我妻子骄傲
1171As you should be.应如是.
1172And the five soldiers that stood next to her和站在她旁边的五个士兵
1173that died alongside with her.死在她身边
1174Excuse me.对不起。
1175Take your time, man, take your time.慢慢来 伙计 慢慢来
1176They raised their right hand and they gave an oath.他们举起右手,盟誓,
1177They understood what they were doing.他们明白自己在做什么
1178They understood the sacrifice他们理解牺牲
1179that they were potentially giving.他们可能付出。
1180You understand that oath.你明白那个誓言。
1181I understand that oath.我明白那个誓言
1182There are now six families living in a nightmare.现在有六个家庭生活在一场噩梦中.
1183That is, it is a hard price to pay.也就是说,这是一个艰难的代价。
1184Though the Iranian drone was the weapon that killed my wife,虽然伊朗无人机是杀死我妻子的武器
1185there were a lot of mistakes有很多错误
1186and a lot of fundamental failures that led up to that.以及导致它的许多根本失败。
1187I believe CBS has reported on that.我相信CBS已经报道了
1188My wife has told me things before she passed.我妻子在去世前告诉我一些事情
1189There are other soldiers that know things还有其他士兵知道事情
1190that are being quiet about certain aspects of this.却对此事的某些方面保持沉默。
1191There's a failure in the leadership.领导班子出现失误.
1192And I wanna know how this administration我想知道这个政府是怎么运作的
1193is gonna start holding those leaders accountable开始追究这些领导人的责任
1194for the actions and the deaths of the soldiers士兵的行动和死亡
1195that we honor and that we love.我们敬重和爱
1196So Joey, first of all,所以,乔伊,首先,
1197I owe and the whole country owes your family我欠你的 整个国家欠你的
1198a debt of gratitude感谢之情
1199that is quite literally impossible to repay.这根本无法偿还。
1200I won't pretend that anything that I say我不会假装我说的话
1201is gonna make it better or easier,这会使它更好或更容易,
1202but I hope it helps a little bit to know但我希望它能帮助一点点知道
1203that your wife was a precious human being你妻子是个珍贵的人
1204who served her country honorably,荣誉地为她的国家服务,
1205and I'm never gonna forget about her.我永远不会忘记她。
1206I'm never gonna forget this conversation,我永远不会忘记这个谈话,
1207and I wanna continue this conversation offline我想继续这个谈话 离线
1208because that raises the second point.因为这提出了第二点。
1209When you talk about failures that we were implicated,当你谈论失败 我们被牵连,
1210the administration, the Department of War,行政部门 战争部
1211whoever you wanna say was implicated in,你想说的人与此事有关
1212I wanna know about that stuff我想知道这些东西
1213because if there were failures,因为如果有失败,
1214and I don't doubt that there were,我毫不怀疑有这样的情况
1215literally the first time I've heard of this我第一次听说这个
1216is this conversation, and I want to fix that stuff.这是谈话, 我想修复的东西。
1217I do not want this stuff to happen.我不想发生这种事
1218I will say, Joey, we have tried to learn我会说,乔伊,我们努力学习
1219because warfare has changed, drones are cheap,因为战争改变了 无人机很便宜
1220they're very deadly, they're easy to manufacture,它们非常致命 很容易制造
1221and we have changed a lot of our tactics我们改变了很多战术
1222to try to suppress that drone fire,试图抑制无人机发射,
1223to try to protect our troops,为了保护我们的部队
1224to make it so that more people让更多的人
1225don't have to pay the ultimate sacrifice,不必付出最后的牺牲,
1226but I wanna understand what we can do better但我想知道我们能做得更好
1227and what those soldiers are seeing以及那些士兵所看到的
1228because part of the problem with this job,因为这工作的一部分问题,
1229this job's an amazing honor,这份工作是惊人的荣誉,
1230but you live in a bit of a bubble,但你生活在一个有点泡沫,
1231and sometimes information doesn't filter up to me.有时信息不会渗透到我身上
1232This is an opportunity for it to filter right directly to me,这是它直接向我过滤的机会
1233and I promise you, I will take every single failure我答应你,我会接受每一个失败
1234extremely seriously and will work on it,非常认真,并且会努力的,
1235and I promise you that one of the ways我答应你 方法之一
1236that I'm gonna show gratitude to your wife我要向你妻子表示感谢
1237is by taking this seriously and trying to figure out是认真对待这件事 并试图找出
1238what exactly happened and what exactly we can do better.到底发生了什么 究竟我们能做得更好
1239Now, it may be that some of the things也许有些事情
1240that you're talking about are things你在说什么是事情
1241where our tactics have already improved.我们的战术已经改进了
1242I know that there's some issues with, for example,我知道有些问题 比如说
1243just to get into the nitty-gritty a little bit,只是进入一点点小毛线,
1244there were issues with where troops were located部队驻扎地点有问题
1245that we realized was a huge mistake我们意识到这是一个巨大的错误
1246and that we could do better on, and we have changed that.而且我们可以做得更好, 我们已经改变了这一点。
1247Now, I'm not gonna get into the details现在,我不会 进入细节
1248because, God forbid, I don't want the Iranians因为我不想要伊朗人
1249to learn something else where they're gonna use学习其他的东西 他们要去使用
1250to target somebody else's wife or somebody else's mother,瞄准别人的妻子或者别人的母亲,
1251but, man, I promise you,但是,伙计,我向你保证,
1252this is not something I'm gonna forget,这不是我要忘记的事
1253and I wanna talk to those soldiers,我想跟那些士兵谈谈
1254and I wanna talk to you to better understand我想和你谈谈 以更好的理解
1255what we can do.我们能做的。
1256It sounds like he's resolved to look into this for you.听起来他已经下定决心帮你查了
1257Does his answer satisfy you他的回答让你满意吗?
1258for the purpose of this conversation为了这次谈话
1259and you'll continue it offline, or do you?你会继续下线,还是你?
1260And you guys, you're gonna continue talking?你们还要继续说话吗?
1261I promise you I'll work on it.我保证我会努力的
1262Okay.摆
1263God bless you.上帝保佑你们。
1264Mr. Vice President, something that happened副总统先生,发生的事
1265right here in the state of Michigan,就在密歇根州这里
1266it was back in March when a terrorist,在3月,当一个恐怖分子,
1267inspired by Hezbollah, drove a pickup truck在真主党的启发下,开一辆皮卡
1268into Temple Israel in West Bloomfield,进入西布卢姆菲尔德的以色列圣殿
1269not far from where we're sitting.离我们坐的地方不远
1270There were hundreds of school children inside at the time,当时有数百名在校儿童
1271and tonight in the audience is a father今晚在观众中是个父亲
1272of some of those children, Eddie Rubin.一些孩子,艾迪鲁宾。
1273Eddie, the floor is yours.埃迪,地板是你的了。
1274First off, apologize.首先,请道歉。
1275You came hoping for Buckeyes and Republicans.你来找白凯和共和党
1276I'm a Wolverine and a Democrat,我是狼和民主党人
1277but appreciate you being here.不过谢谢你能来
1278My five-year-old daughter and my three-year-old son我五岁的女儿和三岁的儿子
1279survived the terrorist attack at their preschool在他们学前班的恐怖袭击中幸存下来
1280housed in our synagogue on March 12th,3月12日住进我们的犹太教堂
1281just a few miles away from here.离这里几英里远
1282I am very concerned about the rise我非常担心这种崛起
1283in anti-Semitism in this country.在这个国家的反犹太主义。
1284As a lifelong Democrat, I've traveled to D.C.,作为终身民主党人,我去过华盛顿
1285I've pushed back against my own party,我拒绝参加自己的派对
1286and will have trouble and not the ability将遭遇重重的灾难,
1287to feel comfortable voting for our Democratic candidate愿意投票支持我们的民主党候选人
1288in this election cycle.在这个选举周期。
1289But I'm not here to find out what he may or may not be doing.但我不是来查他到底在做什么的
1290I want to know what you will commit我想知道你将会做出什么
1291to doing about this problem with the right.解决这个问题的权利。
1292Will you publicly confront influential people你会公开面对有影响力的人吗?
1293like Tucker Carlson in your own coalition就像塔克・卡尔森在你的联盟
1294who continue to spread anti-Semitic rhetoric他们继续散布反犹太言论;
1295that has put a target on my children's back?这把目标放在了我的孩子的背上?
1296So, Eddie, first of all, to be clear,所以,埃迪,首先要说清楚
1297your five- and three-year-old are okay?你5岁和3岁的孩子没事吧?
1298Okay is a relative term.好吧,这是一个相对的术语。
1299Are they here with us?他们和我们在一起吗?
1300Absolutely.当然
1301Thank you.谢谢
1302My daughter still allowed bang,我女儿还是允许爆炸
1303dropped to the floor in coverage protection and cry,掉到地板上 保护,哭,
1304allowed noises, and tries to understand允许噪音,试图理解
1305what she's experienced.她的经历
1306Not okay from that perspective.从这个角度来说,还不行。
1307And I'm very, very sorry about that.我对此感到非常非常抱歉。
1308And I will say I've met with the leadership我会说我见过领导
1309of the temple there,那座寺庙,
1310and I've met with some of the security guards我见过一些保安
1311who, frankly, prevented what would have been坦白地说,他们阻止了
1312one of the worst terrorist attacks最严重的恐怖袭击之一
1313in the history of the United States of America,在美利坚合众国历史上,
1314but for their bravery, and God bless them.但为了他们的勇敢 上帝保佑他们
1315And it's amazing.亦复不可思议.
1316If you don't know anything about this story,如果你对这个故事一无所知
1317this guy would have killed, I think,这家伙会杀了,我认为,
1318dozens of children, possibly worse,几十个孩子,也许更糟,
1319were it not for a very brave security guard.不是为了一个非常勇敢的保安
1320And so thank God for him,感谢上帝保佑他
1321and thank God for you and your family that you're okay.感谢上帝,你和你的家人 你没事。
1322Here's what I'll say.今依此说.
1323I condemn anti-Semitism.我谴责反犹太主义。
1324I condemn Jew hatred.我谴责犹太人的仇恨
1325I condemn anybody who would judge another human being我谴责任何人谁 谁会审判另一个人
1326based on who their mother or father were,基于他们的父母是谁,
1327what their ethnicity was, what their religion is.他们的种族,他们的宗教是什么。
1328And I think that leadership,我认为领导者,
1329that fundamental leadership principle has to start there,根本的领导原则必须从那里开始,
1330that we can condemn this unequivocally.我们可以毫不含糊地谴责这一点。
1331I also think that we have to remember,我也认为我们必须记住,
1332we gotta show some empathy for our fellow citizens.我们要对同胞表示同情
1333And I think you in particular,我特别认为你
1334I cannot imagine as a father,我不能想象作为一个父亲,
1335I've got kids that are not that different ages from you,我有跟你不一样的孩子
1336I cannot imagine what you've been dealing with,我无法想象你一直在处理什么
1337what you dealt with on that day.那天你处理的事
1338And I'd ask all of our fellow Americans,我问所有美国同胞,
1339whatever your background is,无论你的背景如何
1340try to understand the perspective of a father试着理解父亲的观点
1341getting that phone call and finding out,接到那个电话,然后发现,
1342oh my God, I don't know if my little babies are okay.哦,我的上帝,我不知道 我的宝贝们是否没事。
1343And I think if we have that empathy,我认为,如果我们有这种同情,
1344and we combine that with the simple principle我们把它和简单的原则结合起来
1345that we reject ethnic hatred, we reject Jew hatred,我们拒绝种族仇恨,我们拒绝犹太人的仇恨,
1346I think that is a first start, but it's not hardly enough.我认为这是第一个开始,但这还不够。
1347If you look historically,如果你看历史,
1348ethnic hatred has ebbed and flowed,民族仇恨的兴起和流传,
1349not just in this country, but all over the world.不仅在这个国家,而且在世界各地。
1350In fact, I think what makes America unique事实上,我认为是什么使美国独一无二
1351is not that we've ever had racism in America,不是说我们在美国有过种族主义
1352I think what makes us unique我想是什么让我们独一无二
1353is that America's racial groups have gotten along,美国的种族团体相处融洽
1354ethnic groups, religious groups have gotten along种族群体,宗教团体已经融洽
1355a lot better here than they have in other places这里比其他地方好多了
1356in the world.在这个世界。
1357I'm not saying we're perfect, because we're not,我不是说我们是完美的,因为我们不是,
1358but we do it a lot better.但我们做得更好
1359And I think that one of the things that we have to do我认为我们必须做的一件事
1360is recognize that there are people out there承认外面有人
1361who are, whether they're sick or evil or deranged谁是,无论他们生病 或邪恶或精神错乱
1362or however you wanna put it,或者,无论你想把它,
1363they are targeting innocent school children他们的目标是无辜的学童
1364and we have to stop it.我们必须阻止它。
1365And my point about empathy,我的观点 关于同情,
1366I wanna make one other point我想说另外一点
1367because I think this is a real difference因为我觉得这是个真正的区别
1368and I hate to be partisan here,我不想在这里成为游击队员,
1369but I think it's a real difference,但我觉得这是个真正的不同
1370you're a Michigan voter, I assume,我猜你是密歇根州的选民
1371a real difference between Mike Rogers and Abdul El-Sayed,迈克·罗杰斯和阿卜杜勒·赛义德之间的真正区别
1372because if, God forbid, and we of course,因为,如果,上帝禁止, 当然我们,
1373I know you most of all pray this would never happen,我知道你最希望这永远不会发生
1374but if there was a terrorist attack如果有恐怖袭击
1375or an attempted terrorist attack或恐怖袭击未遂
1376at an Islamic community center,在一个伊斯兰社区中心,
1377do you know what Mike Rogers would do?你知道迈克罗杰斯会怎么做吗?
1378He'd be the first person there他会是那里第一个人
1379praying with the people affected与受影响的人一起祈祷
1380and condemning that violence.并谴责这种暴力。
1381But when that happened to your community and your family,但当你的社区和家庭发生这种事时
1382what did Abdul El-Sayed do?阿卜杜勒·赛义德做了什么?
1383He went around and said, hurt people, hurt people.他四处说,伤害别人,伤害别人。
1384Showing empathy, not with you and your family,表现出同情心,而不是对你和你的家人,
1385which is where I think that we gotta show empathy,在那里,我认为 我们必须表现出同情,
1386but showing empathy to a guy却对一个人表示同情
1387who nearly killed hundreds of innocent children.他们几乎杀死了数百名无辜的儿童。
1388So look, there are people in our coalition你看,我们联盟里有人
1389who certainly say terrible things,他们必定要说恶劣的话,
1390things I disagree with, antisemitic things.我不同意的东西,抗疟疾的东西。
1391There's this podcaster who's obsessively有个脚踏车手执着
1392goes after me and my family,跟着我和我的家人
1393and I joke with my Jewish friends,我跟犹太朋友开玩笑
1394he also obsessively goes after Jews,他还执着地追逐犹太人,
1395so we're in good company.所以我们是好伙伴
1396Or I guess, since you're a Democrat,或者我猜,既然你是民主党人,
1397you might say you're in bad company,你可以说你在坏公司,
1398but regardless, we're in the same boat.但不管怎样,我们在同一条船上。
1399I think we gotta condemn this stuff,我认为我们必须谴责这些东西,
1400we gotta call it out, and I really believe,我们得叫出来, 我真的相信,
1401I'm a big believer in free speech,我对言论自由很有信心
1402because I think sunlight is the best disinfectant.因为我认为阳光是最好的消毒剂
1403This is the final point I'll make,这是我最后要说的
1404I think that those people我觉得那些人
1405are always gonna lose the argument.总是会失去辩论。
1406And I know you're Jewish, I'm a devout Christian,我知道你是犹太人 我是个虔诚的基督徒
1407I think the antidote to ethnic hatred我认为是民族仇恨的解药
1408is fundamentally the message根本上是讯息
1409that we are all made in the image of God,我们都是以真主的名义造的,
1410and I try to live that in my life,我试图生活在我的生活,
1411and I certainly try to live that principle我当然要遵守这个原则
1412as a public official.作为公职人员。
1413Vice President Vance, you've mentioned a couple times万斯副总统,你说过几次了
1414tonight the importance of open conversation,今晚,公开对话的重要性,
1415free speech, free expression,言论自由,言论自由,
1416but there are some parents who have kids,但有些家长有孩子,
1417some of them young voters,有些年轻选民,
1418some of them voted for the Trump administration in 2024,他们中有些人在2024年投票支持特朗普政府,
1419and they're worried about how some parts他们很担心某些部分
1420of the online right are affecting their kids.网络权利正在影响他们的孩子。
1421And I have one such voter here, Matthew Burford,我有一个这样的选民,马修・伯福德,
1422he's a minister and a professor他是部长和教授
1423and a father of two young kids.和两个孩子的父亲
1424Matthew, the floor is yours.马修,地板是你的。
1425Hey, I teach college students in the South,嘿,我在南方教大学生
1426many of them are white men,他们中有许多人是白人,
1427and I'm the father of two Gen Z children.我是两个Gen Z孩子的父亲
1428Many feel unheard and singled out.许多人感到没有听到,而且被挑出来。
1429I also hear bigoted rhetoric我也听到偏执的言论
1430and sweeping judgments about whole groups.和对各群体的批判。
1431At odds with what I think America's founding ideal与我想的美国建国理想不符
1432of equal dignity and equal value.尊严和价值平等。
1433So Mr. Vice President,副总统先生
1434how do you take these young men's frustration seriously你怎么看待这些年轻人的挫折
1435without ignoring the harmful rhetoric而不忽视有害的言辞
1436just to keep them in our coalition?就为了让他们加入我们的联盟?
1437Well, first of all,嗯,首先,我们...
1438I don't think you can ignore the harmful rhetoric,我不认为你可以忽视 有害的言辞,
1439you gotta disagree with it.你不得不不同意这一点。
1440What I don't think is that censorship我不这么认为,审查制度
1441is the answer to these problems.是这些问题的答案。
1442I think that whenever you try to silence people我想每当你试图压制人们
1443rather than prove them wrong,而不是证明他们错了,
1444you actually give power to these ideas.你给了这些想法力量
1445When you censor ideas,当你审查想法时
1446you can actually give them more power than they had你可以给他们比他们更强大的力量
1447when you're disagree with them当你不同意他们
1448and beating them on the field of a free exchange.在自由交流的战场上打败他们
1449I think that there is something very dark我觉得有些东西很暗
1450going on in the internet.在互联网上继续。
1451And the one thing I do try to remind people我唯一想提醒别人的事
1452is sort of an optimistic take on this这有点乐观
1453is that we know,是,我们知道,
1454and I've seen some of the intelligence reports,我看过一些情报报告
1455we know that a lot of the most virulent racism我们知道很多最恶劣的种族主义
1456and anti-Semitism that exists online,和网上存在的反犹太主义,
1457a lot of it's actually coming from foreign paid actors.大部分都是来自外国付费演员
1458So is what you're seeing real?你所看到的是真的吗?
1459Absolutely.当然
1460Is it out there?在外面吗?
1461Absolutely.当然
1462But I would resist the view但我会抵制风景
1463that most of our fellow citizens,我们大多数同胞,
1464if you're a white guy,如果你是一个白人,
1465most white guys have no problem with people大多数白人对人没有意见
1466based on their skin color.根据他们的肤色。
1467If you're a black guy working at a barbershop,如果你是在理发店工作的黑人
1468like Keyshawn, you're not attacking people像Keyshawn一样,你不能攻击别人
1469based on their skin color.根据他们的肤色。
1470Most of our fellow citizens are fundamentally decent people我们大多数的同胞 基本上都是体面的人
1471and I think we have to lean into that decency.我认为我们得靠在那种体面。
1472But let me, this is a very important point让我来,这是很重要的一点
1473because I thought a lot about this, okay?因为我想了很多,好吗?
1474And I was talking with my wife probably five, six years ago我和我妻子说话 大概是在五年六年前
1475before I ever got into politics.在我从政之前
1476And we had heard somebody say something about我们听到有人说
1477this person is a mediocre white man这个人是个平庸的白人
1478as a criticism of ideas that they had seen批评他们所看到的想法
1479or this guy has a white privilege或这个人有白人特权
1480so you could ignore what they're saying.这样你就可以无视他们说的话了
1481I do think, and I'm not justifying it,我觉得,我没有为它辩护,
1482but I do think that one of the ways但我确实认为 方法之一
1483that we're making a huge mistake我们犯了一个巨大的错误
1484and we have made a huge mistake in this country我们在这个国家犯了个大错误
1485is by re-allowing the demonization就是通过重新接纳恶魔化
1486of people with skin color.有肤色的人。
1487And when you demonize a guy because he's white,当你妖魔化一个人 因为他是白人,
1488it's just as evil as when you demonize a guy就像你妖魔化一个人一样邪恶
1489because he's black.因为他是黑人
1490And most of the people, by the way,顺便说一句,大多数人
1491most of the white guys who hear somebody say,大多数白人听到有人说
1492you have white privilege你有白人特权
1493so we can ignore what you're saying这样我们就可以无视你说的
1494or use white man as an insult或用白人作为侮辱
1495as opposed to just a descriptor.而不是仅仅描述。
1496When you do that,当你这样做,
1497most people are gonna get a little annoyed.大多数人会生气的
1498They're gonna go on living their lives.他们会继续生活下去
1499But some people will get radicalized但有些人会变得激进
1500into some very dangerous ideas.进入一些非常危险的想法。
1501And I think that we have to confront both sides of this.我认为,我们必须面对这两方面。
1502The very dark rhetoric we see我们看到的非常黑暗的言论
1503from certain corners of the right,从右边的角落,
1504but also the way in which in the last administration在上届政府中
1505in particular, explicit racial discrimination was normalized特别是,明确的种族歧视已经正常化。
1506and it's not shocking that a lot of people reacted to it很多人对此的反应并不令人震惊
1507in the wrong way.以错误的方式。
1508We can reject the reaction,我们可以拒绝这个反应,
1509but we also have to understand it is inevitable但我们也必须明白这是不可避免的
1510when you demonize people that they respond当你妖魔化人时,他们的反应是:
1511in non-productive ways.在非生产性方式。
1512Mr. Vice President,副总统先生,
1513you mentioned a couple of minutes ago你几分钟前说过
1514that in a couple of years, you might be out of a job.几年后 你可能失业了
1515That even in the structure of the sentence即使是在句子的结构
1516suggests that you'd be running for a continued job.暗示你会继续竞选
1517Not necessarily.不见得.
1518No?是吗?
1519So there's a chance.故有机缘.
1520Okay, so let's go right there.好吧,让我们去那里。
1521Is there a chance you don't run for president in 2028?你是否有机会在2028年不竞选总统?
1522Of course there's a chance.当然有机会
1523Yeah, I mean, we've got four little kids.是啊,我的意思是,我们有四个孩子。
1524My wife has never loved politics.我妻子从不爱政治
1525She loves public service.她喜欢公共服务。
1526I think you can do a lot of good in this job我想你做这个工作能做很多好事
1527and I've tried to do as much good as possible,我尽力了
1528but I really, people ask me this question all the time但我真的,人们总是问我这个问题
1529and I think they assume, because I'm a politician,我认为他们假设, 因为我是一个政治家,
1530of course she's gonna run for president in 2028.她当然会在2028年竞选总统
1531The way that I think about big life decisions,我对人生决定的思考方式
1532my wife will tell you this, is I'm a procrastinator.我老婆会告诉你的 我是个拖延者
1533I hate thinking about it.我讨厌想这个
1534And what will happen is that, first of all,会发生什么是, 首先,
1535after all of these fine people elect Mike Rogers,经过所有这些优秀的人 选出迈克罗杰斯,
1536United States Senator for the state of Michigan,美国密歇根州参议员,
1537what's gonna happen is, then I'll have to think about it.接下来会发生什么,然后我不得不考虑一下。
1538And then I will actually have to make a decision,然后我就不得不做个决定
1539but you know, anything could happen, man.但你知道,任何事都可能发生,伙计。
1540Wow, anything could happen.哇,什么都可能发生。
1541I do find it hard to believe我觉得很难相信
1542that you haven't begun to make some plans,你还没有开始做一些计划,
1543even as a procrastinator.乃至如是等诸众生.
1544You've got the Naval Observatory,你有海军天文台
1545130 acres or whatever it is.130英亩左右.
1546You've got that back porch you've talked about,你有你说过的后门廊,
1547having a beer with Usha at the end of the day.最后和乌莎喝啤酒
1548Yep.对
1549This is the time of the year现在是一年的时间
1550when families talk about plans for next summer.当家人谈论 明年夏天的计划。
1551Are you going to Disney?你要去迪士尼吗?
1552Are you gonna book this vacation place?你要订这个度假地吗?
1553Are you gonna run for president?你要竞选总统吗?
1554Is your brother gonna run for president?你哥哥会竞选总统吗?
1555Every husband in the room here knows这里每个丈夫都知道
1556you're definitely talking about it.你绝对是在谈论它。
1557We're really not, though.我们真的不是,虽然。
1558We're really not.我们真的不是。
1559It's, whenever it comes up,这是,每当它出现,
1560it's always, let's figure it out after the midterms.总是,让我们在中期后想清楚。
1561And that's what we're trying to do, man.这就是我们想做的,伙计。
1562Elect as many good candidates as possible.选出尽可能多的优秀候选人。
1563Τㄇ
1564I think are really good people running.我认为是真正的好人运行。
1565I mean, look, not talking about 28, but 26.我的意思是,你看,不是说28,而是26。
1566The reason to vote for Michael Rogers,投票给迈克尔·罗杰斯的理由
1567it's not because you're gonna agree with him on every issue不是因为你会同意他的意见
1568because nobody will.因为没有人会
1569I know him.我认识他
1570He's a good dude.他是个好人
1571And I think that what I've seen in Washington我觉得我在华盛顿看到的
1572is that the people who thrive即兴盛的民众,
1573and the people who actually do a good job以及那些真正做得很好的人
1574for their people are people of character.他们的百姓确是有品德的。
1575Michael Rogers is a guy of character,迈克尔·罗杰斯是个很有品格的人
1576so I hope you guys vote for him.所以我希望你们投给他
1577Not you, I guess you're not a Michigander.不是你 我猜你不是密歇根人
1578No, I live in the state of New York.不,我住在纽约州
1579The Republic of Brooklyn.布鲁克林共和国.
1580Vice President J.D.副总统J.D.
1581Vance, thank you very much.万斯,非常感谢
1582Appreciate it.谢谢
1583No comment.没有评论。
1584Thank you all.谢谢大家
1585Thank you to our questioners.谢谢你的问客。
1586Thank you to our audience.谢谢你的观众。
1587Thank you to the vice president.谢谢副总统
1588你可以在cbsnews.com上观看市政厅
1589and also on our YouTube page.也出现在我们的YouTube网页上
1590And CBS News will have many more conversations还有CBS 新闻会有更多对话的
1591on the things that matter,对于重要的事情,
1592topics that are important to Americans对美国人很重要的专题
1593across the political divide.跨越政治鸿沟。
1594So please stay tuned.所以请继续听
1595I'm Tony Dacopo for CBS News.我是CBS新闻的托尼·达科波
1596Good night.边
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