CNN杰克·塔珀专访众议院议长迈克·约翰逊 | 2025.5
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| 0:01 | Joining me now is the speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson of Louisiana. | 现在加入我的是众议院议长 路易斯安那州的迈克·约翰逊 |
| 0:06 | Speaker Johnson, thanks so much for joining us. | 约翰逊议长 非常感谢你加入我们 |
| 0:08 | Republican senators have made it clear that they want to make some changes to the House | 共和党参议员已经明确表示 他们想改变众议院 |
| 0:13 | bill. | 比尔。 |
| 0:13 | Senate Majority Leader John Thune told CNN the Senate's going to write its own bill. | 参议院多数党领袖约翰 Thune告诉CNN参议院要自己写法案. |
| 0:17 | Even though they have a larger majority than you do, what is your message to your colleagues | 虽然他们占多数比你多,但你给同事的信息是什么? |
| 0:23 | in the Senate? | 在参议院? |
| 0:26 | Thanks, Jake. | 谢谢 城 |
| 0:26 | Great to be with you. | 很高兴和你在一起。 |
| 0:27 | Look, I've been very consistent with our colleagues in the Senate. | 听着,我和参议院的同事非常一致 |
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| 1 | Joining me now is the speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson of Louisiana. | 现在加入我的是众议院议长 路易斯安那州的迈克·约翰逊 |
| 2 | Speaker Johnson, thanks so much for joining us. | 约翰逊议长 非常感谢你加入我们 |
| 3 | Republican senators have made it clear that they want to make some changes to the House | 共和党参议员已经明确表示 他们想改变众议院 |
| 4 | bill. | 比尔。 |
| 5 | Senate Majority Leader John Thune told CNN the Senate's going to write its own bill. | 参议院多数党领袖约翰 Thune告诉CNN参议院要自己写法案. |
| 6 | Even though they have a larger majority than you do, what is your message to your colleagues | 虽然他们占多数比你多,但你给同事的信息是什么? |
| 7 | in the Senate? | 在参议院? |
| 8 | Thanks, Jake. | 谢谢 城 |
| 9 | Great to be with you. | 很高兴和你在一起。 |
| 10 | Look, I've been very consistent with our colleagues in the Senate. | 听着,我和参议院的同事非常一致 |
| 11 | We worked hand in glove with them all through this process. | 在这个过程中,我们与他们携手合作。 |
| 12 | Remembering that the House began this more than a year ago, it was March of last year | 记得一年多前 众议院开始的,是去年三月 |
| 13 | when we got our committee chairs together and told them to begin to prepare for this | 当我们把委员会的主席召集在一起 告诉他们开始准备 |
| 14 | massive reconciliation package. | 大规模和解计划。 |
| 15 | We believed at that time, more than a year ago, that we would win the White House, the | 一年多前,我们当时相信,我们将赢得白宫, |
| 16 | Senate and the House and have unified government and have this really once in a generation | 元老院和众议院 统一了政府 |
| 17 | opportunity to do so much in one piece of legislation. | 有机会在一项立法中做这么多事情。 |
| 18 | So I met with the Senate Republicans, all my colleagues over there last week on Tuesday | 于是我会见了参议院的共和党人 我所有的同事上周二都在那里 |
| 19 | at their weekly luncheon, and I encouraged them to do their work, of course, as we all | 我鼓励他们做他们的工作,当然,像我们大家一样 |
| 20 | participate, but to make as few modifications to this package as possible, because remembering | 参与,但尽可能少修改这个软件包,因为记得 |
| 21 | that we've got to pass it one more time to ratify their changes in the House, and I have | 我们必须再通过一次 批准他们在众议院的变更,而我 |
| 22 | a very delicate balance here, a very delicate equilibrium that we've reached over a long | 一个非常微妙的平衡, 一个非常微妙的平衡,我们已经达到 长久的 |
| 23 | period of time, and it's best not to meddle with it too much. | 时间的长短, 最好不要干预太多。 |
| 24 | Let's talk about what the legislation actually does. | 让我们来谈谈立法的实际作用. |
| 25 | I want to play something that you said back in January about the national debt. | 我想弹一月份你说过的 关于国债的事 |
| 26 | The number one threat to our nation right now is our debt. | 现在对我们国家的首要威胁就是我们的债务。 |
| 27 | We take that very seriously. | 我们对此非常认真。 |
| 28 | Congress has kicked the can down the road for decades, and we're out of road. | 国会将罐头踢了几十年,我们没有路可走. |
| 29 | And so we understand that it's our responsibility to fix this. | 所以我们明白我们有责任解决这个问题。 |
| 30 | So there are five different independent scores of this legislation. | 因此这一立法有五个不同的独立分数. |
| 31 | Every one of them says that it will increase the deficit somewhere between 3.3 and $4 trillion | 每一个都说,这将增加3.3到4万亿美元的赤字。 |
| 32 | over the next 10 years. | 未来10年。 |
| 33 | Now, I get you take issue with the Congressional Budget Office and that they don't have dynamic | 现在,我得到你的问题 国会预算办公室 他们没有活力 |
| 34 | scoring all of this, but this is the emerging consensus among everyone analyzing. | 这一切的评分,但这是每个人分析中正在形成的共识。 |
| 35 | They say you're kicking, not only are you kicking the can down the road, but you're | 他们说你在踢,你不仅在踢罐子 |
| 36 | making the problem worse. | 让问题更糟。 |
| 37 | You're adding to the debt. | 你加债了 |
| 38 | Well, I think that is dramatically overstated, and here's why. | 我觉得这夸大其词了 这就是原因 |
| 39 | Everyone can, those same groups can objectively see and acknowledge that this is the largest | 每个人都可以,同样的群体可以客观地看到并承认这是最大的 |
| 40 | cut in spending in at least 30 years and arguably of all time. | 在至少30年的时间里削减开支,而且可以说是所有的时间。 |
| 41 | We're cutting over $1.5 trillion in federal spending while we check all the boxes and | 我们削减超过1.5万亿美元的联邦开支 同时检查所有的箱子和 |
| 42 | bring about a pro-growth economy. | 实现有利于增长的经济。 |
| 43 | And the CBO has been panned because, as you said, they don't do dynamic scoring. | 而CBO被打平了,因为,就像你说的, 他们不做动态评分。 |
| 44 | What that means is they don't account for the growth that will be fostered by all the | 这意味着他们不 说明增长 将会由所有 |
| 45 | policies that are in this big piece of legislation. | 政策是在这个大立法中。 |
| 46 | This is not theoretical, Jake. | 这不是理论,杰克。 |
| 47 | Just remember the last Trump administration. | 只要记住最后的特朗普政府. |
| 48 | After the first two years, we brought about the greatest economy in the history of the | 头两年之后,我们带来了历史上最伟大的经济 |
| 49 | world, not just the U.S. | 世界,不只是美国。 |
| 50 | The growth was off the charts. | 增长是没有规律的。 |
| 51 | It was an average of about 3% of growth in GDP. | 平均约占国内生产总值增长的3%。 |
| 52 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 53 | Because we cut taxes and we cut regulations. | 因为我们削减税收 并削减条例。 |
| 54 | We're doing the same thing this time around, but on steroids. | 这次我们做同样的事情, 但类固醇。 |
| 55 | This is a much larger package, a much more robust package with all these features that | 这是一个更大得多的一揽子, 一个更坚固的一揽子 具有所有这些特征 |
| 56 | will really get the economy going because wages will rise, job creators, entrepreneurs, | 因为工资会上升 创造工作机会 企业家 |
| 57 | risk takers will have more ability to expand their businesses, U.S. manufacturing on shore | 冒险者将更有能力拓展他们的企业, 美国制造业在岸上 |
| 58 | is being incentivized. | 正在得到奖励。 |
| 59 | All these things will work together to make the economy grow faster than many of these | 所有这些事情将共同努力,使经济的增长速度快于其中的许多 |
| 60 | projections are putting forth. | 预测正在推出。 |
| 61 | So we're not buying it. | 所以我们不买它。 |
| 62 | We'll see what happens and we have the evidence to prove it from the past. | 我们看看会发生什么 我们有证据来证明它来自过去。 |
| 63 | President Trump repeatedly insisted he would not touch Medicaid and that Americans would | 特朗普总统一再坚称,他不会碰美援署,美国人会 |
| 64 | not lose their insurance. | 没有失去他们的保险。 |
| 65 | Here's what he said just five days ago. | 这是他五天前说的 |
| 66 | We're not changing Medicaid, and we're not changing Medicare, and we're not changing | 我们没有改变医疗补助, 我们没有改变医疗保险, 我们没有改变 |
| 67 | Social Security. | 社会保障。 |
| 68 | Can you guarantee that your voters, the working class voters, will not lose health insurance | 你能保证你的选民,工人阶级的选民,不会失去健康保险吗? |
| 69 | under this bill? | 这法案下? |
| 70 | The CBO found that nearly 8 million Americans will in fact lose their insurance coverage | CBO发现近800万美国人实际上将失去他们的保险范围. |
| 71 | because of the changes this bill makes to Medicaid. | 由于该法案对医疗补助的改变。 |
| 72 | So how do you reconcile that with what President Trump said? | 那么,你如何与特朗普总统所说的调和呢? |
| 73 | It's directly in line with what the President said. | 这直接符合总统的说法. |
| 74 | I've said the same. | 我也说过 |
| 75 | We are not cutting Medicaid in this package. | 我们不削减医疗补助 在这个包裹。 |
| 76 | There's a lot of misinformation out there about this, Jake. | 有很多关于这个的错误信息,杰克。 |
| 77 | The numbers of Americans who are affected are those that are entwined in our work to | 受感染的美国人人数是那些在我们的工作与 |
| 78 | eliminate fraud, waste, and abuse. | 消除欺诈、浪费和滥用。 |
| 79 | What do I mean by that? | 这是什么意思? |
| 80 | You got more than 1.4 million illegal aliens on Medicaid. | 你得到了140多万非法 外国人在医疗补助。 |
| 81 | Medicaid is not intended for non-U.S. citizens. | 医疗补助不是针对非美国公民的。 |
| 82 | It's intended for the most vulnerable populations of Americans, which is pregnant women and | 这是针对美国最易受伤害的人口的 孕妇和 |
| 83 | young single mothers, the disabled, the elderly. | 年轻单身母亲、残疾人、老年人。 |
| 84 | They are protected in what we're doing because we're preserving the resources for those who | 他们被保护在我们所做的,因为我们为那些 |
| 85 | need it most. | 我最需要这个 |
| 86 | You're talking about 4.8 million able-bodied workers, young men for example, who are on | 你说的是480万能干的工人 比如年轻男子 |
| 87 | Medicaid and not working. | 医疗补助和不工作。 |
| 88 | They are choosing not to work when they can. | 他们选择在可以的时候不工作。 |
| 89 | That is called fraud. | 这叫诈骗 |
| 90 | They are cheating the system. | 他们在欺骗系统。 |
| 91 | When you root out those kinds of abuses, you save the resources that are so desperately | 当你铲除了这些虐待, 你节省了资源 如此绝望 |
| 92 | needed by the people who deserve it and need it most. | 需要的人谁应该得到它,最需要它。 |
| 93 | That's what we're doing and that's why this is a, the morality of what we're doing here | 这就是我们在做什么, 这就是为什么这是一个, 我们在这里做什么的道德 |
| 94 | is precisely right and it comports with all the public opinion polls. | 完全正确,它与所有民意测验一致。 |
| 95 | When people ask whether young men, for example, who are able-bodied and have no dependents | 当人们问到年轻男子,比如,谁身体健全,没有家属 |
| 96 | should be working, everybody says yes and that's what our package does. | 应该工作,每个人都说是, 这就是我们的包做。 |
| 97 | These estimates that you're hearing are accurate but it's dealing with those numbers of people | 这些估计是准确的,但是它处理的人数 |
| 98 | in the population and that's going to preserve the program and strengthen it for those who | 在人群中,这将保持 方案,加强它的人 |
| 99 | need it most. | 我最需要这个 |
| 100 | So 1.4 million people in your home state of Louisiana are on Medicaid. | 你家乡路易斯安那州有140万人在接受医疗补助 |
| 101 | More than 800,000 receive SNAP benefits, also known as food stamps. | 超过80万人领取SNAP福利,也被称为粮票. |
| 102 | Is it your contention that if any of those Louisianans lose their benefits, it's because | 你的论点是 如果路易斯安那州人失去他们的福利 是因为 |
| 103 | they shouldn't have been receiving them because they were committing waste, fraud or abuse? | 他们不应该因为浪费、欺诈或虐待而接受他们? |
| 104 | Yeah, look, my district is, every district in America has people who are on the program | 你看,我的区是, 美国的每一个区 都有人在节目中 |
| 105 | who shouldn't and when you're talking about, I keep using this example, a young able-bodied | 他们不应该,当你在谈论, 我不停地用这个例子, 一个年轻的健全 |
| 106 | man with no dependents, there's no reason he should not be working. | 没有家属的人 他没有理由不工作 |
| 107 | We are the party that supports human dignity and we find purpose and dignity in our work. | 我们是支持人的尊严的一方,我们在工作中找到了目的和尊严。 |
| 108 | It's good for the individuals involved, it's good for their community, it's good for society | 对涉案个人有利,对社会有利. |
| 109 | at large. | 归队 |
| 110 | When you're talking about work requirements, by the way, it's very flexible. | 在谈论工作要求时,顺便说一句,它非常灵活. |
| 111 | It just means that you either work or you volunteer to do something meaningful in your | 意思是你要么工作 要么自愿做一些有意义的事 |
| 112 | community or you're in a job or work training program, 20 hours a week. | 工作或工作训练计划,每周20小时。 |
| 113 | This is not some huge demand. | 这不是什么大要求。 |
| 114 | If you're going to be on the public wagon, you have to do something to help pull it if | 如果你要上公车 你必须做点什么 帮助拉它,如果 |
| 115 | you're able. | 你能够。 |
| 116 | And again, Jake, the purpose of this is to preserve these very necessary, very important | 再说一遍,杰克,这是为了保护这些非常必要,非常重要的 |
| 117 | safety net programs for the people who actually need and deserve them and not those who are | 安全网方案针对的是那些真正需要和应该得到安全网方案的人,而不是那些需要安全网的人。 |
| 118 | gaming the system. | 游戏系统。 |
| 119 | And I think I'll go into any town hall anywhere in America, my district or otherwise, and | 我想我会去任何 市政厅在美国任何地方, 我的区或其他, |
| 120 | explain this and everyone nods in agreement and understands it. | 解释一下,大家一致点头,理解 |
| 121 | So the Democrats are trying to twist the facts, they're trying to put out misinformation | 所以民主党试图歪曲事实, 他们试图发布错误信息 |
| 122 | because they're going to vote against this and there's no way to defend it. | 因为他们会投票反对 并且没有办法捍卫它。 |
| 123 | What it means is they're going to be voting for more fraud, waste and abuse instead of | 也就是说,他们会投票 更多的欺诈,浪费和滥用 |
| 124 | the elimination of it, which is what our package does. | 消除它,这是 我们的一揽子工作。 |
| 125 | It's not just Democrats, though, right? | 不仅仅是民主党人,对吧? |
| 126 | I mean, there are voices in MAGA world sounding the alarm that cuts to Medicaid could really | 我的意思是,有声音在MAGA世界 发出警报,削减医疗补助真的可以 |
| 127 | impact Trump's own supporters. | 影响川普自己的支持者. |
| 128 | Take a listen. | 来听听 |
| 129 | Medicaid, you got to be careful because a lot of MAGA is on Medicaid. | 医疗补助,你必须小心 因为很多MAGA在医疗补助。 |
| 130 | I'm telling you, if you don't think so, you are dead wrong. | 我告诉你 如果你不这么认为 你就错了 |
| 131 | Just can't take a Medex to it, although I would love to. | 只是不能拿一个梅德克斯去, 虽然我很愿意。 |
| 132 | This is real Medicaid benefit cuts. | 这是真正的医疗补助福利削减。 |
| 133 | I can't support that. | 我不能支持这一点。 |
| 134 | No Republicans should support that. | 任何共和党人都不应该支持这一点. |
| 135 | We're the party of the working class, Mano. | 我们是工人阶级的政党,马诺. |
| 136 | We need to act like it. | 我们需要像它。 |
| 137 | That was Steve Bannon and Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. | 那是史蒂夫·班农和密苏里州参议员乔什·霍利 |
| 138 | What is your response to them? | 你对他们有什么反应? |
| 139 | Yeah, look, I don't disagree with that. | 是啊,你看,我不反对这一点。 |
| 140 | Of course, there's lots of people on Medicaid and our party and others, but again, if they | 当然,有很多人 在医疗补助 和我们的党和其他人, 但再次,如果他们 |
| 141 | look at the final package and the details of what has come through the House, I think | 看看最后的套装 和经过众议院的细节,我想 |
| 142 | we reached the right point. | 我们到了正确的点。 |
| 143 | And Jake, it also brings up the very important point that we're trying to do this on a very | 杰克,这也提出了一个非常重要的点 我们试图做到这一点 在非常 |
| 144 | aggressive timetable. | 攻击性的时间表。 |
| 145 | The reason I tried to get this done and we did get it done before Memorial Day and send | 我试图完成这件事的原因 我们确实在纪念日之前完成了这件事 |
| 146 | it to the Senate is so the president could be signing this into law by Independence Day | 这样总统就可以在独立日之前 把这签成法律 |
| 147 | on July 4th. | 7月4号 |
| 148 | Why is that so important? | 为什么这么重要? |
| 149 | Because we've got to get relief to the American people and then we also need to, for political | 因为我们必须让美国人民得到解脱 然后我们也需要,为了政治 |
| 150 | purposes, show, give a lot of time, enough time for everyone to see that this package | 目的,显示,给很多时间,让每个人都有足够的时间看到这个软件包 |
| 151 | actually is what we say. | 事实上,我们说的是。 |
| 152 | It's going to help the country. | 必助国家. |
| 153 | It's going to help the economy. | 将助经济. |
| 154 | It's going to help all boats to rise, just as we did after the first two years of the | 它会帮助所有船只起航 就像我们前两年一样 |
| 155 | first Trump administration. | 首届特朗普政府. |
| 156 | And so we're anxious to get this signed into law so people feel it and see it before that | 所以我们急于把这签到法律上 这样人们才会感觉到和看到它之前 |
| 157 | midterm election and they understand it is the Republicans who are doing the best for | 他们知道共和党人 正在做最好的 |
| 158 | hardworking Americans, low-income families and everyone who deserves a better shot. | 辛勤工作的美国人,低收入家庭 和每个值得更好的机会。 |
| 159 | I want to ask you about something else. | 我想问你别的事 |
| 160 | President Trump held a closed-door event Thursday night for top investors in his private cryptocurrency. | 特朗普总统星期四晚上用私人密码货币为顶级投资者举办了闭门活动. |
| 161 | We do not know who was there. | 我们不知道是谁在那里。 |
| 162 | The list has not been released. | 列表尚未发布 。 |
| 163 | We do not know how much of the money came from outside the country. | 我们不知道这笔钱有多少来自国外。 |
| 164 | The president has, of course, a huge role to play when it comes to regulating crypto. | 当然,总统在管理密码方面可以发挥巨大作用。 |
| 165 | I really have a difficult time imagining that if this was a Democratic president doing the | 我真的很难想象 如果这位是民主党总统 |
| 166 | exact same thing, you wouldn't be outraged. | 同样的事情,你不会生气。 |
| 167 | Well, look, I don't know anything about the dinner. | 我对晚饭一无所知 |
| 168 | I was a little busy this past week, as you know, getting the reconciliation package over | 上周我有点忙,你知道的, 把和解的包拿来 |
| 169 | the line and so I'm not going to comment on something I haven't even heard about. | 台词,所以我不打算评论 我什至没有听说过的事情。 |
| 170 | I'm not sure who was there or what the purpose was, but I'll say this. | 我不知道是谁或者目的是什么 但我会这么说 |
| 171 | President Trump is very active. | 川普总统非常活跃. |
| 172 | He's very engaged. | 他订婚了 |
| 173 | He's the greatest dealmaker, one of the greatest dealmakers of all time. | 他是有史以来最伟大的交易商之一 |
| 174 | He is working on these trade imbalances that we've had and having tremendous success. | 他正在努力解决这些贸易不平衡问题, 我们已经取得了巨大的成功。 |
| 175 | We've got over 75 countries now renegotiating their trade agreements with America. | 我们已经有超过75个国家 重新谈判它们与美国的贸易协定。 |
| 176 | It's going to make it better for all of us, everybody in the country, and he is encouraging | 这会让大家好过一点 乡下所有人 他鼓励我们 |
| 177 | new technologies, crypto and the advancement of AI. | 新技术、加密和AI的进步。 |
| 178 | He's appointed as czar for the first time. | 他第一次被任命为沙皇. |
| 179 | We have an AI czar in David Sachs, who's an expert in the industry from Silicon Valley. | 我们有一个AI沙皇在大卫·萨克斯, 他是来自硅谷的行业专家。 |
| 180 | There's a lot of exciting things happening. | 有许多令人兴奋的事情发生. |
| 181 | The president is trying to encourage that along as much as he can, and I think the vast | 总统正尽力鼓励他这样做 我认为这个幅员很大 |
| 182 | majority of the country is applauding those efforts, so I'm one of them. | 大部分国家都在赞扬这些努力 所以我是其中之一 |
| 183 | I think the result of all this is going to be extraordinary for everybody in the country. | 我认为这一切的结果对全国每个人来说都是非同寻常的. |
| 184 | But on this matter with the crypto, shouldn't we at least just know who was at the dinner? | 但是关于密码的事 我们至少应该知道 晚餐上是谁吗? |
| 185 | Wouldn't you want to know that list of people? | 你不想知道名单吗? |
| 186 | I guess. | 应该是吧 |
| 187 | I mean, again, I don't know anything about that dinner. | 再说一遍,我对晚餐一无所知 |
| 188 | I do know that President Trump is the most transparent president in the most transparent | 我知道川普总统是最透明的总统 |
| 189 | administration probably in history. | 行政也许在历史上。 |
| 190 | He has nothing to hide, and he's out there trying to advance America's interests. | 他没有什么可隐瞒的,他在那里试图推进美国的利益. |
| 191 | That's what America First policies are all about, and that's what our big reconciliation | 这就是美国第一政策的目的 这就是我们最大的和解 |
| 192 | bill will deliver for the people. | 法案会给人民带来好处 |
| 193 | We're really proud of the product. | 我们为产品感到骄傲。 |
| 194 | Mr. Speaker, I know you have a lot of military veterans and Gold Star families in your congressional | 议长先生,我知道你有很多老兵 和金星家族在国会 |
| 195 | district. | 地区。 |
| 196 | I know your son is at Annapolis. | 我知道你儿子在安纳波利斯 |
| 197 | I wish you a meaningful and peaceful Memorial Day weekend. | 我祝你有一个有意义、和平的纪念日周末。 |
| 198 | Thank you so much for being with us today. | 非常感谢你今天和我们在一起 |
| 199 | Same to you, my friend. | 你也一样,我的朋友。 |
| 200 | God bless. | 上帝保佑你们 |
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