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【AI职业】AI时代的百万年薪营销工程师 · 未来2年最抢手

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0:00I think one of the most valuable people in tech over the next 18 to 24 months is going to be我觉得未来18到24个月 科技最有价值的人之一
0:05something called a marketing engineer.一个叫营销工程师的
0:08Now, some people call it a forward deployed marketer,现在,有些人称它为前方部署的营销员,
0:11and some other people are calling it an AI growth operator.还有一些人称它为AI增长运营商.
0:14I'm saying call it whatever you want.我是说随便你怎么说
0:16The name is probably going to change, but the job won't.名字可能会改变,但工作不会。
0:19It's the person who can do a whole marketing是那个能做整个营销的人
0:22teamwork with AI agents.与AI特工团队合作.
0:24And I think there's going to be a ton of money to be made in it.我想里面会有很多钱
0:28I actually think this becomes a 250k, 500k, a million dollar job, because every company我其实认为这成为 一个250k,500k,100万美元的工作, 因为每一个公司
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1I think one of the most valuable people in tech over the next 18 to 24 months is going to be我觉得未来18到24个月 科技最有价值的人之一
2something called a marketing engineer.一个叫营销工程师的
3Now, some people call it a forward deployed marketer,现在,有些人称它为前方部署的营销员,
4and some other people are calling it an AI growth operator.还有一些人称它为AI增长运营商.
5I'm saying call it whatever you want.我是说随便你怎么说
6The name is probably going to change, but the job won't.名字可能会改变,但工作不会。
7It's the person who can do a whole marketing是那个能做整个营销的人
8teamwork with AI agents.与AI特工团队合作.
9And I think there's going to be a ton of money to be made in it.我想里面会有很多钱
10I actually think this becomes a 250k, 500k, a million dollar job, because every company我其实认为这成为 一个250k,500k,100万美元的工作, 因为每一个公司
11wants more leads, they want faster experiments, they want sharper positioning, and they want to想要更多的线索, 他们想要更快的实验, 他们想要更清晰的定位, 他们想要
12read on their customers, and they want their marketing to get smarter every week with a smaller他们希望他们的市场营销 每周更聪明一点
13team than a bigger team.团队比更大的团队。
14Whoever can walk in and just build that with AI agents are going to get谁能走进来 和人工智能的特工们一起盖房子
15name their price.说明价格。
16So if you're a marketer, this is how you become way more valuable.如果你是市场营销员,这就是你变得更有价值的方式。
17If you're a如果你是一个
18founder, you know this, you don't just want to vibe code something, you want people using your创始人,你知道的, 你不只是想要 感觉代码的东西,
19product.产品。
20So you're going to have a huge edge if you can use AI agents to do your marketing for you.所以如果你能利用AI代理来为你做你的营销,你将会拥有巨大的优势.
21By the end of this episode, you're going to know what a marketing engineer actually does.到了本集的结尾,你就会知道营销工程师的实际作用.
22What do怎么办?
23they build?他们建造?
24What the tool stack looks like?工具堆是什么样的?
25How to use things like Grokbot and Claude and Codex如何使用的东西 像格罗克博特,克劳德和Codex
26and Hermes and creative models, how they all play together within the context of a marketing以及赫尔墨斯和创意模式,他们如何在市场营销中共同发挥
27engineer, and the exact 30 day plan I'd follow to learn from scratch if marketing engineering is如果营销工程是
28interesting to you.对你有意思
29Let's get into the episode.开演插曲.
30I can't wait to see what you build.我迫不及待地想看看你所建造的东西。
31So something这么说吧
32I can't stop thinking about is marketing keeps changing.我不停地想着营销在不断改变
33Having been a part of multiple cycles,参加了多个周期,
34I've started and sold three venture-backed companies.我创办并出售了三家风险支持公司.
35One was in the web era, one was in一个在网络时代,一个在
36the social era, one was in the mobile era.社会时代,一个在移动时代。
37Every time the technology changes, the most valuable每次技术改变,最有价值的
38kind of marketer changes with it.市场营销员也随之改变
39So think about the traditional era of marketing.所以想一想传统的营销时代.
40I actually think其实我觉得
41about it as like the Don Draper era, where marketing was about making people care through就像唐·德雷珀时代 营销就是让人们关心
42the story, through the psychology, getting your product in front of people on whatever故事,通过心理学,让你的产品 在人们面前,无论什么
43channels existed at the time, things like traditional print media and radio.当时存在频道,如传统印刷媒体和电台.
44The best最厉害的
45marketers at that time understood what people wanted, what they were insecure about, who they市场营销者当时明白人们想要什么,他们不安全感,他们是谁
46were trying to become, and how to package a product so the market paid attention.试图成为, 如何包装一个产品 这样市场关注。
47Obviously,显然
48that skill matters a lot.这技巧很重要
49But then the internet showed up and it created the digital marketer.但后来互联网出现了,它创造了数字营销商。
50So it evolved from traditional to digital.因此它从传统演变为数字化.
51Suddenly, you had websites, email, SEO, Google.突然间,你有网站,电子邮件,SEO,谷歌。
52In 2005, I think, six, you had Facebook ads, landing pages, pixels.2005年,我想,六,你有Facebook广告,登陆网页,像素。
53The best marketer became最好的推销员变成了
54the person who could acquire customers through channels you could actually measure.通过您可以实际测量的渠道获得客户的人。
55And a lot还有很多
56of people didn't know these were new channels.人们不知道这些是新渠道
57So the best marketers understood funnels targeting因此,最好的营销者 理解漏斗瞄准
58these new channels, analytics, things like Google Analytics, and the very practical question这些新渠道 分析 谷歌分析 以及非常实际的问题
59about what happens after someone clicks.有人点击后会发生什么。
60Then software created loops.随后软件创建了循环.
61And then growth hacking然后成长黑客
62became a thing around, if I remember correctly, 2008, 9, 10, 11.如果我没记错的话,2008年,9,10,11
63The best growth hacker people最好的成长黑客
64were all about activation, referrals, onboarding, retention, pricing.包括激活、转介、入职、保留、定价
65There was a guy by the name有个家伙的名字
66Dave McClure had this, I think it was called the R framework, activation and referral.戴夫・麦克卢尔有这个, 我想它叫做R框架,激活和转诊。
67That was the symbol of the time of the growth hacker era.那是成长黑客时代的象征
68Basically, marketing moved closer基本上,营销更接近了
69to product because the product itself could become the growth engine.因为产品本身可以成为增长引擎
70Now we're walking into the现在我们走进
71marketing engineering era.营销工程时代.
72And I feel like not a lot of people have spoken about this.我觉得没有多少人谈到这个问题。
73That's why这就是为什么
74I want this to be the de facto episode about this whole era.我希望这成为整个时代的事实剧集.
75The marketing engineer still needs all营销工程师还需要一切
76that old stuff.那个老东西
77It still needs customer understanding, judgment, positioning, understanding还需要客户理解 判断 定位 理解
78distribution, taste.分发,品味。
79If anything, taste, people talk about this all the time, a taste matters如果有什么,品味,人们总是谈论这个, 品味很重要
80more now than ever because AI is about to make average marketing just unbelievably cheap.现在比以往任何时候更糟糕 因为AI要让一般的营销变得低廉
81The new part is that the marketing engineer also builds the system behind the marketing.新的部分是营销工程师也构建了营销背后的系统.
82The marketing engineer is connecting customer data, reading the results, shipping little landing pages营销工程师正在连接客户数据,阅读结果,运送小登陆页
83and calculators, and then turning raw customer signal into content outbound positioning and和计算器,然后将原始客户信号转化为内容外向定位,
84product ideas.产品创意。
85The way I think about it is traditional marketing was about making people我的想法是传统营销方式 是让人们
86care.照顾。
87Digital marketing was acquiring customers through measurable new channels.数字营销正在通过可衡量的新渠道获得客户。
88Growth hacking增长入侵
89was about using product and data to build these loops.是关于利用产品和数据来建立这些循环。
90And marketing engineering is about using AI营销工程是利用AI
91agents, data, code and taste to build a marketing system that keeps learning.代理,数据,代码和品味 构建一个不断学习的营销系统.
92And the last phrase is an important one because a marketing system that keeps learning is now最后一句话很重要 因为一个不断学习的营销系统现在
93actually possible in the agentic era.实际上,在代理时代是可能的。
94Now, most companies already have pieces of this lying around现在,大多数公司已经 有一些这样的片段
95to their credit.他们的功劳。
96So they've got tools and dashboards, calls, content calendars, CRM,因此,他们有工具和仪表板,电话,内容日历,CRM,
97some SaaS tools.一些SaaS的工具。
98The problem is the learning is pretty scattered.问题在于学习很分散
99Sales might hear one version销售可能听到一个版本
100of the market, support hears another, product sees the usage and marketing sees what got clicks.市场,支持听到另一个, 产品看到使用,营销看到什么得到了点击。
101And the founder remembers the one customer call that just hit him emotionally that week and just创始人记得那个周刚打到的客户电话
102get that one customer call out of his or her head.让一个顾客从他脑子里呼唤出来
103I know that happens to me.我知道这发生在我身上。
104Then everyone walks into the growth meeting with a slightly different version of reality.然后每个人都走进增长会议 与一个略有不同的现实版本。
105So the marketing engineer's whole job is actually to pull in these signals into one system所以营销工程师的全部工作 就是把这些信号拉进一个系统
106and turn them into growth.并把它们变成增长。
107So the way I define the role is this.所以我定义这个角色的方法就是这个。
108A marketing engineer is the person营销工程师就是那个人
109who turns market signal into pipeline using AI agents, data, code, taste.将市场信号转化为管道 使用AI代理,数据,代码,味道。
110And that's really the这是真的
111job.任务。
112And I'm going to get super tactical on how you can actually do this soon.我会得到超级战术 如何你实际上可以做到这一点很快。
113If I were a founder right now, the question I'd be asking myself is who on my team would be building如果我现在是创始人,我就会问自己 在我的团队里是谁在建设
114the growth system for this company?这家公司的成长系统?
115Now, I am a founder myself.现在,我是一个创始人自己。
116So a lot of time I'm doing this所以,很多时间我这样做
117myself.我个人
118And I just hope that if you're a founder listening here, either you hire someone or you do我希望如果你是这里的创始人 要么你雇人 要么你做
119it yourself.你自己来。
120Because the companies that are going to win in this agentic era are going to learn the因为在这个代理时代将要获胜的公司 将学习
121market faster than anyone else.市场比任何人都快。
122So it's crucial to know.所以,关键是知道。
123So if you see the customer pain earlier,所以,如果你看到 顾客的痛苦之前,
124you spot the winning language earlier, you're testing more angles using Facebook ads,你早点发现胜利语言 你用Facebook广告测试更多角度
125shipping more surfaces, lead magnets, and understand what's working before the competitor运输更多的表面,铅磁铁, 并了解什么是工作 在竞争者之前
126even notices things, you have this unfair advantage.甚至注意到一些事情, 你有这种不公平的优势。
127So the question I get asked a lot is,所以,我经常被问的问题是,
128OK, but what is the first thing I would build?好吧,但什么是第一件事 我会建造?
129OK, I want to become a marketing engineer.好吧,我想成为一个营销工程师。
130I want toи稱
131do more marketing engineering.做更多的营销工程。
132What do I build first?我先建什么楼?
133And the first thing I would build is a我要做的第一件事就是创造
134growth repo.增长再现.
135Yeah, I know it sounds a little bit nerdy.是啊,我知道这听起来有点书呆子。
136But even if you're non-technical,但即使你没有技术
137I believe you can do it.我相信你能做到这一点。
138So you're going to want to go and create a GitHub repo, or honestly just a所以,你要去 创建一个GitHub Repo, 或者说实话,只是
139structured folder.结构化文件夹。
140You can call it something like growth OS.你可以把它叫做 生长OS。
141And it becomes a place where the它变成了一个地方,在那里
142company's marketing memory is going to live.公司营销记忆要活下来了
143The problem it's going to be solving is that most问题在于
144people use AI in these random chats.人们在这种随机聊天时使用AI.
145So they'll open up a chat GBT or Claude, Gemini.所以他们会打开一个聊天GBT或克劳德,双子座。
146They'll ask他们会问
147for 10 posts.10个员额。
148And maybe they'll copy one into a doc that they like.也许他们会把一个复制成他们喜欢的医生
149And then the work just disappears.然后工作就这样消失了
150Next week, the AI is starting from scratch again, when what it really needed was the下周,AI又从头开始, 当时它真正需要的是
151performance data and the founder's voice and the objection from the sales calls and the language性能数据和创始人的声音以及销售电话和语言的反对
152that actually created replies.这实际上产生了答复。
153So the growth repo is going to fix that.因此,增长的回波会解决这个问题。
154And inside it,内心深处
155what we're going to have is a customer truth folder.我们将会有一个客户 真相文件夹。
156And that's going to have our sales calls那将会有我们的销售电话
157notes or support tickets, maybe some churn notes, interviews, even live product feedback can go in笔记或支持票,也许一些笔记,访谈,甚至现场产品反馈都可以进去
158there.这里
159So you've got a content engine folder with the founder voice guide, with the winning所以,你有一个内容引擎文件夹 与创始人 语音指南,与胜利
160hooks and the scripts and notes on what's performed before.钩子和剧本和前作的笔记.
161You've got an outbound engine folder with你有外出引擎文件夹
162the ICP, your ideal customer profile, the account research, the trigger events.比较方案,你的理想客户简介,账户研究,触发事件。
163Maybe some approved也许有些批准
164angles could be good to have there.角度可能不错
165Even actually band language is good to have as well.甚至乐队语言也不错。
166Because AI outbound gets weird fast.因为AI走出去会变得怪怪的
167If you let it talk like an overexcited SDR who just discovered如果你让它说话像一个过度激动的 特别提款权刚刚发现
168personalization, sometimes bad things can happen.个性化,有时坏事会发生.
169So you've got a creative testing folder for ad所以,你有一个创造性测试文件夹 广告
170angles and things like landing page tests and hooks and offers and results.角度和诸如登陆页测试和钩子 以及提议和结果
171And you've got an你有一个
172agents folder where you define the jobs your AI workers do.代理文件夹中您定义了您的人工智能员工的工作 。
173And that repo is the difference between,这回波是区别于,
174hey, AI helped me make a thing and AI is helping the whole company get smarter.嘿,AI帮助我做了一件事,AI正在帮助整个公司变得更聪明。
175That's how a growth成长就是这样
176or a marketing engineer is thinking about it.或者一个营销工程师在考虑
177And then the prompt gets way better.然后就更及时了
178So instead of,所以,与其说,
179嘿 给我写10篇LinkedIn文章
180You say, read the customer truth file, read the founder voice file,你说,读客户真实文件,读创始人语音文件,
181read the last five posts that drove qualified replies and draft five new posts around pains阅读最后五个推动合格答复的帖子,并起草五个痛苦的新帖子。
182buyers that were actually mentioned this week.买家本周被提到。
183So it's a totally different level of output因此,这是一个完全不同的输出水平
184because the agent is now having real context.因为特工现在有真实的背景
185What tools do I need if I want to become a marketing我要是想成为市场营销公司 需要什么工具
186engineer?工程师?
187Well, I'll tell you some of the most important ones and how to think about where all好吧,我告诉你一些最重要的 以及如何思考在哪里所有
188the tools fit and your tool stack.工具和工具堆栈。
189So Grokbot is new, but it's just an incredible product.所以Grokbot是新产品,但它只是一个不可思议的产品.
190So I所以说
191think of Grokbot as the growth operating system that lives close to the internet.将Grokbot视为生活在互联网附近的成长操作系统.
192So marketing所以市场营销
193is a living system.这是一个活的系统。
194The marketing is moving.市场营销在动.
195Competitors are moving.竞者动.
196Culture is changing.文化正在发生变化。
197Customers are changing their language.顾客正在改变他们的语言。
198Creators are picking up new formats.创造者正在收集新的格式。
199Grokbot is especially useful in that world because it is connected to the X ecosystem.Grokbot在那个世界上特别有用,因为它与X生态系统相连.
200If I were setting this up as a founder, I'd give it a few clear lanes.如果我把这个设定为创始人, 我会给它一些清晰的通道。
201So I'd say所以我会说
202one bot watches competitors and tells me what changed.一个机器人看竞争对手 告诉我什么变了
203One is going to watch customer language一个是看客户语言
204横跨X和Reddit.
205One watches the creators in the niche and finds formats worth testing.一个人在特殊位置看着创造者,发现格式值得测试.
206And one watches ads and landing pages.还有一个看广告和登陆页
207Basically, wherever there's a connection to the internet,基本上,只要有互联网连接,
208Grokbot会非常棒的
209That doesn't mean you can't use Grokbot to do everything.这并不意味着你不能用Grokbot来做所有的事.
210You totally can.你绝对可以。
211And I think I'm one of those people that say basically pick an ecosystem我想我是那些说基本上选择生态系统的人之一
212that you like, that you feel comfortable with.你喜欢,你觉得舒服。
213If Grokbot feels good for you, just do everything如果Grokbot对你有好处 就做所有的事
214in there as well.里面还有
215This is just the way I'm thinking about it.这正是我的想法。
216I hope it gets the creative我希望它有创意
217juices flowing.果汁流畅.
218For me, I use Claude and Codex and products like that in a different part of对我来说,我用克劳德和Codex 和这样的产品 在另一部分
219the system.系统。
220So they're going to help me build the repo and generate the landing pages, writing所以他们要帮助我建立回波 并生成登陆页,写
221scripts, building the little internal tools that I was talking about, and then turn that repeatable脚本, 建造我所说的小内部工具, 然后把那个可重复
222work into something durable.做点耐久的事
223I've talked on this channel about Hermes before.我以前在这个频道上说过赫尔墨斯
224Hermes 风格
225workflows are still extremely valuable, especially when you want scheduled operations with memory工作流程仍然极有价值,特别是当您想要有内存的预定操作时
226and approval.和核准。
227So something like every Monday morning, build me a market brief or every Friday每周一早上给我做个市场简报 或者每周五
228afternoon, review the experiments.下午,审查实验。
229Every time a fresh batch of sales calls land, maybe put it in每次一批新鲜的销售量 都叫上陆地 也许就放进去
230the folder and then pull the objections and update the positioning file.然后拉动反对意见并更新定位文件。
231Then you have creative那你就有创造力
232models, and they're going to help you move faster on ads, thumbnails, mock-ups, and video concepts.模型,他们会帮助你更快地 在广告,缩略图,模型和视频概念上。
233There's a bunch of those that exist.有众生者.
234There's FAL AI, there's Higgs Field, there's a bunch of them.有FALAI,有希格斯球场,有一群人.
235And local AI matters when the data is particularly sensitive or there's private customer transcripts当数据特别敏感或有私人客户笔录时 本地的人工智能很重要
236or regulated nodes, pricing plans.或规范的节点,定价计划.
237Basically anything a company would feel weird sending基本上任何公司都会觉得奇怪
238into a cloud tool.变成云工具。
239Also things that are too expensive to do into a cloud tool.还有那些太贵的东西,不能用云工具
240I'm going to我会
241do a whole separate episode on local AI, so stay tuned for that over the next one or two weeks在本地的AI上单独做一集 接下来的一两星期里,请注意
242and subscribe so that comes into your feed.并订阅 从而进入你的饲料。
243The tools are going to keep changing, but the workflow工具会不断改变 但工作流程
244is the thing to actually learn.是真正需要学习的东西。
245So where it gets really interesting is when the agent connects所以当它变得真正有趣的是 当代理连接
246to live business data and the tools obviously to actually do the work.以现场商业数据 和工具 明显地做实际工作。
247So take SEO content.所以,拿SEO的内容。
248The beginner version is asking an AI to write a blog post about a keyword.初学者要求AI写一篇关于关键词的博客文章。
249So a marketing如此的营销
250engineer isn't going to do that.工程师不会那么做的
251A marketing engineer is going to check Google Search Console,一个营销工程师要检查谷歌搜索控制台
252从 Ahrefs 或 SEMrush 调用关键字数据 。
253Look inside the CMS to see if it already exists.看看CMS内部是否已经存在.
254It's going to rank opportunities by volume and by buyer intent.它将按数量和购买意向排列机会。
255And it's going to research还要研究
256what's already ranking in hopefully adding the founder's point of view and draft the post,已经排到第一位的是希望添加创始人的观点 并起草该帖子
257write the meta title, suggest internal links, and just send the whole thing for approval.写元标题,建议内部链接, 并发送整个事情批准。
258That's a pretty big jump, but the agent has a job, the job has inputs, and the inputs come这是一个相当大的跳跃, 但代理有工作,工作有投入, 投入来了
259from the business and the output goes somewhere useful.从业务和产出去 有用的地方。
260So every agent is going to need a real所以每个探员都需要一个真正的
261job spec.任务类别。
262And I'd write it out almost like I was hiring a person.我会把它写出来 就像我雇用一个人。
263Here's the data source.以下是数据源.
264Here's给你
265when you run it.当你运行它。
266Here's what you filter out.这是你过滤出来的。
267Here's the output I expect.这是我想得到的输出
268Here's what good looks like.这里的好样子。
269Here's what's going to need human approval.这里需要人类的批准
270Here's the metric that matters.这是最重要的衡量标准。
271And here's这里
272what you write the result so the system gets smarter next time.你写的结果 让系统下次更聪明
273So for maybe a competitor,所以对于一个竞争者来说
274engager agent, that might be every weekday morning, check these 20 LinkedIn accounts工作代理,可能是每天早上 检查20个LinkedIn账户
275and pull the people who commented on new posts, enrich them, drop the bad fit leads,并吸引那些评论新帖子的人, 丰富他们, 放弃不良的适合线索,
276and draft 10 messages tied to specific posts they engage with.并起草10条信息,与它们参与的具体职位挂钩。
277Oh, and then obviously write哦,然后显然写
278the results to a file for approval.将结果提交备案批准。
279The metric is going to be positive replies from qualified衡量标准将是合格者的积极答复。
280accounts because a marketing engineer cares about business results, not activity accounts.因为营销工程师关心的是业务成果,而不是活动账户.
281Messages sent is activity.发送的信息是活动 。
282Qualified replies is going to be your signal.合格答复将是你的信号。
283And the whole point整个问题
284the marketing engineer is trying to do is to generate pipeline demand.营销工程师试图做的是 产生管道需求。
285And you train these你训练这些
286agents the same way you train and you hire.探员的训练方式和你雇佣的一样
287You start with small tasks.你从小任务开始
288You watch it work.你看着它的工作。
289You你们
290correct the mistakes.更正错误。
291You add the correction to memory because now we have memory.你将校正添加到记忆中,因为我们现在有记忆。
292And then you还有你
293expand the scope as you increase your comfort level.增加舒适度时扩大范围。
294If the outbound agent writes a first line如果出局代理写第一行
295that sounds like fake, for example, you got to add the rule to the repo.这听起来像假的, 例如,你必须增加规则 在回购。
296And if the content agent如果内容代理
297keeps writing these generic intros that sound like generic AI, you give it three good examples继续写这些一般的介绍 听起来像一般的AI, 你给它三个好的例子
298and three bad ones.和三个坏的。
299If the customer truth agent makes a claim with no evidence, we got a problem如果客户的真相代理 提出没有证据的说法, 我们有一个问题
300here.在这里。
301You got to add the rule that every insight needs a quote or a link or a source.你得加入一条规则,每个洞见都需要引文或链接或来源.
302Every每个
303correction becomes part of this operating system, this growth marketing engineering system.修正成为这个操作系统的一部分,这个增长营销工程系统.
304And还有
305that's how this whole thing compounds.事情就是这样复杂起来的
306And going back to how does a marketing engineer make a回到一个营销工程师是如何
307million dollars a year or $500,000 a year or $1.5 million a year for their own startup, it's because一年一百万或每年五十万美元 或每年150万美元 他们自己的启动,这是因为
308they're building this and it's so darn valuable.他们正在建造它, 它是如此的有价值。
309But let's actually get into a concrete example so但是,让我们真正进入 一个具体的例子,所以
310that this gets solidified into your head.让你的脑子里扎实起来
311So imagine a vertical SaaS startup selling software所以想象一个垂直的SaaS启动 销售软件
312to commercial HVAC contractors.给HVAC商业承包商的
313These are companies managing technicians and service这些公司管理技术人员和服务
314calls and maintenance contracts and dispatch.电话和保养合同及调度。
315So it's a real B2B market.因此它是一个真正的B2B市场.
316The buyer has买方
317a lot of money.很多钱
318The workflows are messy and the language is specific, which is why I wanted to use工作流程杂乱无章 语言很具体 所以我想用
319this example.这个例子。
320The marketing problem for that company is usually a little bit more sharper than,公司营销问题通常比
321hey, we need some more content.嘿,我们需要一些更多的内容。
322The real problem that they're facing is usually something like他们面临的真正问题通常是
323which pain gets the owner to take a demo.痛苦会让店主做个演示
324Maybe it's dispatch chaos or maybe it's late invoices.可能是发送混乱 也可能是迟到的发票
325Maybe it's that the owner has no idea which jobs were profitable until the month is over.可能是房主不知道哪个工作能赚钱 直到一个月结束
326Or maybe也许
327it's actually that the technician finishes a service call, spots a replacement opportunity,实际上,技术员完成了一个服务电话, 发现一个替换机会,
328and the follow-up quote just never gets sent.和后续引文 只是从来没有被发送。
329That's interesting just because it's really这很有趣 只是因为它真的
330specific.具体。
331So when you have something specific, it's just interesting.所以,当你有具体的东西, 它只是有趣的。
332My bunny ears go up.我的兔子耳朵会向上
333Stop losing replacement revenue after every service call is obviously a much sharper angle每次服务电话后,别再失去收入了 很明显,这个角度要尖锐得多
334than run your HVAC business better.比你的HVAC业务做得更好
335So this is where your marketing engineer is going to earn这就是你的营销工程师要挣的钱
336their keep, right?他们的养家糊口,对吧?
337It's going to start with the customer truth system.将从客户真相系统开始.
338That first system is going第一个系统正在运行
339to be the customer truth system.成为客户的真相系统。
340And every startup says they understand the customer and you talk to每一个创业者都说他们了解顾客,你却说
341five people and they get five different results.五个人,他们得到五个不同的结果。
342We talked about that.我们谈过了
343But the marketing engineer但营销工程师
344is going to pull those signals into one place.要把信号拉到一个地方
345The output is a file called what the market输出是一个名为市场的文件
346is telling us dot MD.正在告诉我们点MD。
347I tweeted about this idea.我推特上说这个想法。
348It went viral.病毒传播了
349I'm glad people liked it.我很高兴人们喜欢它。
350It's这是
351morning or every week, depending on how much signal the company is going to have.早上或每周, 取决于公司会有多少信号。
352And it's reading the sales calls and support tickets and churn notes, even strike movement.它正在读销售电话 支持门票和笔记 甚至罢工运动
353CRM notes is a good one.CRM笔记不错
354And also social data, especially if it's more consumer-y.还有社会数据,特别是如果它是更消费的。
355And its whole job is to show what's changed.而它的全部工作是展示已经改变的东西.
356So maybe the buyers are using a different phrase所以,也许买家 使用不同的短语
357than they were using a month ago.比他们一个月前使用。
358Or maybe the trial users keep getting stuck before they invite也许审判用户在邀请前 一直被卡住
359a teammate.一个队友。
360You're just going to get some insight and you're going to ask the agent to show你会得到一些洞察力, 你会要求经纪人显示
361quotes, snippets, ticket links, event counts.引用,片段,票价链接,事件计数.
362What you don't want is obviously a vague summary,你不希望的显然是一个模糊的总结,
363which I've seen a lot of people do this.我见过很多人这样做。
364They just get these summaries and it's pretty vague.他们只是得到这些摘要,它相当模糊。
365In this case, you get something like customers want better collaboration.在这种情况下,你得到的东西 像顾客想要更好的合作。
366You want something你要的东西
367way more sharp than that.更锋利一点
368I want the thing that's going to make the business harder to lie to.我想让生意更难说谎
369So这么说
370for the HVAC company, a good memo might be something like five sales calls this week对HVAC公司来说,一个很好的备忘录 可能是像5个销售电话 本周
371mentioned emergency dispatch.提到紧急发送。
372But the calls that actually converted all talked about但实际上转换的电话 都谈到
373missed follow-up quotes after the tech left.技术离开后 错过了后续报价
374Just a lot sharper.更锋利一点
375The second system is the founder content engine.第二个系统是创始内容引擎.
376So a lot of companies have所以很多公司都有
377great raw material, like the founder has opinions and you've got customer stories.伟大的原材料,像创始人 有意见,你有客户故事。
378But you're not really capturing all the stuff.但你并没有真正抓住所有的东西。
379So the marketing engineer could build the loop.这样营销工程师就可以建立环路.
380So you can record founder talking to customers.这样你就可以录制创始人与客户的谈话.
381You can pull from podcasts, extract the strongest你可以从播客中抽取最强的
382ideas, and then have the system watch what performs, which hooks people keep watching然后让系统观察什么表演 让人们不断观察
383because you have this data.因为你有这个数据。
384And then you create content out of that.然后从中创造内容。
385对于HVAC公司,
386imagine something like the loss replacement revenue insight becoming five things.想象一下损失重置收入 变成五样东西
387A founder创始人
388post about the hidden revenue leak in service businesses, a short video on why contractors关于服务企业隐藏收入泄露的短视频
389lose money after the first visit, a landing page line that says every completed job第一次访问后就输了钱 上面写着每个完成的工作
390should create the next quote, a cold email angle could be good, and a simple calculator创建下一个引用, 冷的电子邮件角度可能很好, 和一个简单的计算器
391that estimates the loss revenue.估计损失收入。
392So the system here is learning.所以这里的系统正在学习。
393The third system is the outbound signal engine.第三个系统是外向信号引擎.
394So bad outbound usually starts with a spreadsheet出局很糟 通常从电子表格开始
395full of names, but good outbound starts with timing.满是名字,但好的出局开始时间。
396So who just raised money?那是谁在筹钱?
397Who's hiring for the exact problem you solve?到底是谁在雇你?
398Who posted publicly about a pain point?谁公开发布一个疼痛点?
399And then who fits your ICP and has a real reason to care this week?那么,谁符合你的比较方案 有真正的理由 关心这个星期?
400These people这些人
401they've got the pain.他们有痛苦。
402You're selling painkillers, not vitamins when timing hurts.你在卖止痛药 而不是时间疼时的维生素
403So having an agent watching those signals, researching accounts, drafting specific angles,所以有个特工在监视这些信号 调查账户 起草具体的角度
404and sending to human for approvals, that's the type of thing that for the HVAC company和送人批准, 这是类型的事情 对于HVAC公司
405would be awesome.这将是真棒。
406So like watching for contractors, hiring dispatchers, or opening new locations,比如看承包商 雇用调度员 或者开辟新的地点
407getting bad reviews, and then having the agent actually go and reach out outbound is going to be然后让特工真的走出去
408huge.巨大的。
409The fourth is the creative testing engine.第四是创意测试引擎.
410So taking one offer and spinning up 20 hooks,所以,接受一个报价 旋转20钩,
41110 ad angles, recording the results, and testing them.10个广告角度,记录结果,测试结果.
412So a lot of people say like,所以很多人说,
413Facebook ads don't work for me.脸书广告对我没用
414Yeah, maybe.是啊,也许。
415Or maybe the creative, you're just not testing或者,也许创造性, 你只是没有测试
416enough creative with the right angle.足够有创意的正确角度。
417So a good marketing engineer could create thousands of因此,一个好的营销工程师 可以创造数千
418creative based on your positioning.根据你的定位来创造
419It's basically like having creative becoming this这基本上就像有创意 变成这样
420learning system, not really a treadmill that you actually have to do.学习系统, 并不是你实际上必须做的一个脚踏车。
421You're going to have it on你会穿的
422repeat, having these agents go and create creative based on just how the world is changing and how重复一遍,让这些特工们去创造创造 建立在世界如何改变和如何
423that data is changing too.数据也在变化。
424And again, another huge insight around like, wow, this is like a new way再说一遍,另一个巨大的洞察力 就像,哇,这就像一个新的方式
425of doing marketing, marketing engineer.做营销,营销工程师。
426The fifth system is AI search visibilities.第五个系统是AI搜索粘度.
427So you这么说你
428now have billion, I mean, there's a billion plus people using ChatGPT asking, just ChatGPT.现在有十亿, 我的意思是,有十亿人 使用ChatGPT问,只是ChatGPT。
429I'mи琌
430not talking about Google AI overviews or Gemini or Perplexity or Claude.不是说Google AI的概论 或者双子座或者迷惑或者克劳德
431I just saw Sam Altman said我刚刚看到萨姆·阿尔特曼说
432they have a billion users.他们有十亿用户。
433It's insane.这太疯狂了
434So you've got to think about whether your company is even所以你得考虑一下你的公司是否扯平了
435understandable to those systems.这些系统可以理解。
436And then having agents actually go pull in that data然后让特工去查数据
437and actually create content and optimize your website such that you're ranking high there.并实际创建内容 并优化您的网站 这样你名列前茅。
438Getting cited by AI is such a huge opportunity and something that a marketing engineer is被AI引用 是一个巨大的机会 一个营销工程师
439thinking about, of course.当然是想着
440The sixth system is the growth cockpit.第六个系统是生长驾驶舱.
441So this is like a weekly view这就像每周的风景
442that tells the team what has changed and what to do about it.它告诉了团队什么已经改变 和如何应对它。
443What content has worked?哪些内容奏效了?
444What什麽?
445campaign created real conversations?竞选创造了真正的对话?
446Which objection came up again?又是哪一个反对?
447What test won?什么测试赢了?
448How many tests测试次数
449won?赢了?
450What percentage of tests won?考试中获胜的百分比是多少?
451What competitors moved?什么竞争者搬走了?
452What customer pain is getting louder?什么顾客的痛苦越发严重?
453And还有
454what to test next?接下来要测试什么?
455For the HVAC company, the cockpit might say something like, hey, this week,对于HVAC公司来说,驾驶舱 可能会说,嘿,本周,
456the lost replacement revenue angle drove fewer clicks than the dispatch angle, but twice as损失的重置收入角度驱动的点击次数比调度角度少,但为
457many demo requests from owners with more than 20 tech.许多来自拥有超过20个技术的业主的演示请求.
458So that's the kind of memo that if you're这就是那种备忘录 如果你是
459an executive, you want to wake up to that.执行官,你想醒过来。
460And that's super, super valuable.这是超级,超级有价值的。
461So if you've gotten所以,如果你已经得到
462this far, what are some ideas on how you actually can make money with marketing engineering?关于你如何用营销工程赚钱有什么想法?
463And还有
464I think there's a few ways that you can do it.我认为有几种方法你可以做到这一点。
465The first is becoming the person第一个是成为人
466inside the company.在公司内部。
467So if you're already a marketer or a rev ops person, a growth person,所以,如果你已经是一个营销者 或revs个人,成长的人,
468a creator, or just honestly like a curious marketing minded person, this is one of the创造者,或者诚实地说 就像一个好奇的营销头脑的人, 这是其中之一
469clearest ways to become way more valuable because this work sits directly next to最清楚的方法变得更有价值 因为这项工作紧挨着
470revenue.收入。
471All the ideas that we talked about, all the systems that we talked about我们谈论的所有想法, 我们谈论的所有系统
472is things around creating pipeline, lifting conversion, cutting wasted spend is huge with创造管道 提升转换 削减浪费的开支
473things like these marketing agents.像这些营销代理商
474And you've got this direct line to business value.而你有这条直线 与商业价值。
475And that's这是
476how someone becomes a $500,000 higher because they look at it and they're like, well, if I'm为什么有人会变成一个50万美元高 因为他们看它,他们喜欢,嗯,如果我
477going to save $2 million and I'm going to increase revenue this month, this much, and I'm going to将节省200万美元 我将增加收入 本月,这么多,我要去
478double the conversion rate, that's a huge, huge, it's a win-win situation.换算率翻一番,这是巨大的,巨大的,是双赢的局面.
479Why in the original I said I think that there's going to be people make a million dollars doing为什么我原话里说,我觉得人们会赚一百万
480this, and I actually think that's conservative, I think there will be versions of the best marketing我觉得这很保守 我认为会有最好的营销版本
481engineers making millions of dollars a year is because they're going to be just driving insane工程师每年赚上百万 因为他们要开车疯了
482amounts of value in the same way that forward deploy engineers are driving insane amounts of与前方部署的工程人员一样, 其价值数额正在导致疯狂的
483value for companies right now.对公司的价值,现在。
484The second way is just do consulting.第二种方式就是咨询
485So you create an offer,所以你创造了一个提议,
486you embed with a founder led company, maybe it's 30, 60, 90 days, you build one growth system,你和一个创始人领导的公司嵌在一起, 也许是30,60,90天, 你建立一个增长系统,
487and then you sell the outcome.然后卖掉结果
488So, hey, we'll build your customer true system and turn it into所以,嘿,我们会 建立你的客户真正的系统 并把它变成
489weekly campaigns, or we'll build your founder content engine, or we'll build your outbound每周的竞选活动,或者我们建你的创始人 内容引擎,或者我们建你的出局
490signal engine.信号引擎。
491Some of these ideas that we talked about, you just embed yourself, you build it,我们讨论过的一些想法, 你只是嵌入你自己, 你建造它,
492and you charge $5,000, $10,000, $30,000 a month depending on what you're actually building.每月收费五千元,一万元,三万元 取决于你实际建造的是什么
493The third, somewhat less talked about, is productized services.第三个 -- -- 略少谈 -- -- 是生产服务。
494So you can pick one wedge这样你就可以挑一个楔子
495and then repeat it.然后复说.
496So for example, outbound signal engines for vertical SaaS, that's what比如说 垂直SaaS的外向信号引擎
497you focus on, or founder content engine for B2B CEOs, customer truth repos for seed stage startups您关注或创建 B2B CEO 的内容引擎, 种子阶段启动的客户真实重置
498before they hire a full marketing team.在他们雇佣一个完整的营销团队之前
499So the tighter the wedge, the easier it is to sell,所以,越紧的楔子, 它越容易出售,
500deliver, and repeat, and that's like the only thing that you focus on.提供,并重复, 这是你唯一关注的东西。
501That's why it's called故名为.
502productized services, because it's not like you're doing services, custom things for everyone.产品化的服务, 因为这不是你做的服务, 定制的东西给每个人。
503There's this one thing you do for this one niche, and you charge X amount of dollars for it.有一件事,你做这个特殊的地方, 你收取X金额的美元。
504The fourth is software.第四个是软件。
505I think the biggest outcomes are going to come from this,我认为最大的结果 将会从这个,
506but I do think that I would start with services first.但我确实认为 我会先从服务开始。
507So you do the work by hand,所以,你做的工作 手,
508you build the same system for five companies, 10 companies, and you notice the pain that repeats,你为五家公司,十家公司 建立了同样的系统,你注意到 痛苦的重复,
509and then that's when you turn it into software.然后当你把它变成软件。
510That's also how you avoid building something这也是你如何避免建造的东西
511that nobody wants.没有人想要。
512The fun part is all these ideas actually stack together.有趣的是所有这些想法实际上都堆在一起。
513You can start by你可以从头开始
514consulting to learn what actually works.咨询来了解什么是实际可行的。
515You can notice the same system every client needs,你可以注意到同样的系统 每一个客户端需要,
516you productize it, you eventually turn it into software like a set of agents.你将它生产出来, 你最终把它变成一个软件 像一组代理。
517If I were doing this tomorrow morning, I would keep the first version almost painfully simple.如果我明天早上这样做,我就会使第一个版本几乎痛苦地简单化。
518I would build that growth OS folder.我会建立增长OS文件夹。
519I'd have five of those files, customer truth, founder voice,我会有五个文件 客户真相 创始人的声音
520experiments, agent jobs, and then I would paste 20 real customer notes or call summaries,实验 代理工作 然后我会粘贴20个真正的客户通知书 或调用摘要
521and then I would ask the agent to do one job.然后我会请经纪人做一件事
522I'd say, tell me what's changed, show me the receipts,告诉我有什么变化 给我看收据
523{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}建议进行一次营销测试 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这个测试本周 而不是下周
524from now.从今已后.
525Then build one thing from that output.然后从输出中构建一个东西。
526For that HVAC company I was talking about, maybe我说的是HVAC公司,也许
527it's the loss replacement revenue calculator or something like that.是损失重置收入计算器之类的
528The first goal is just to第一个目标是
529the system can turn this messy market data into one useful action.这个系统可以把这个混乱的市场数据变成一个有用的行动。
530If you listen to this and如果你听这个
531you're like, wow, being a marketing engineer sounds really cool, I want to go hone my skills你就像,哇,作为一个营销工程师 听起来很酷,我想去磨练我的技能
532in the next 30 days to become a marketing engineer, be it as an employee, as a founder,在接下来的30天里,成为一名营销工程师, 无论是作为一个雇员,作为一个创始人,
533whatever it is, here's the plan that I would run.不管是什么,我都会执行这个计划
534Week one, I would do an audit.一周,我会做一个审计。
535I'd pick one real我会选一个真正的
536company.连队。
537It could be yours or friends, whatever you can get access to.它可能是你的或朋友, 无论你能得到什么。
538I would study the website,我会研究网站,
539the offer, the ICP, the founder's content if there is any.该提议,比较方案,创始人的内容,如果有的话。
540Sales calls and support tickets销售电话和机票
541if you can get them, obviously.如果你能得到它们,很明显。
542Then you output a market map.然后输出市场地图。
543Who's the customer?谁是顾客?
544What pain do多么痛苦的场面
545they describe?他们描述?
546What words do they use?他们用什么词?
547What would you test first?你要先测试什么?
548What are they buying instead of他们买的是什么呢?
549your product or this product?你的产品还是这个产品?
550Where does the funnel leak and what would you test first?漏斗从哪里漏出,你会先测试什么?
551Week one is just studying all that stuff.一周只是研究那些东西
552Week two is the growth repo.第二周是增长回波.
553Create it, add the folders创建它, 添加文件夹
554and build your first what is the market telling us markdown file.并建立你的第一个 什么是市场告诉我们马克降级文件。
555You can use whatever tools you随便用什么工具
556like.喜欢。
557可以是Claw,JadGBT,Grokbot,双子座当地模特儿,不管是什么.
558The tools actually工具其实
559are less than the workflow here.与工作流程相比,
560The goal is basically just to turn that scattered signal目标基本上只是 扭转这个分散的信号
561into the memo with real receipts and actually just start feeling like a true marketing engineer.并开始感觉自己是个真正的营销工程师
562Week three is your first machine.第三个星期是你的第一台机器
563You can pick one system and actually build it.你可以选择一个系统 并实际建造它。
564It could be也许是
565the content engine, the outbound signal engine, the landing page tester.内容引擎,输出信号引擎,着陆页测试器。
566Obviously, this is going显然,这是去
567depending on what the company needs and wants.取决于公司需要和需要什么
568Just pick one because you're going to get better就选一个吧,因为你会好起来的
569outcome with one.成果为一。
570One working system is going to beat five half-built ones.一个工作系统将战胜五个半建的系统。
571Then week four is just那么第四个星期就是
572all about results.所有关于结果。
573What changed?什么变了?
574You did this thing.这是你干的
575Did replies improve?答复是否有所改善?
576Did meetings get会得到
577booked?订了?
578Did any conversion left?还有什么改变吗?
579Did the founder sound sharper?创始人听起来更锋利吗?
580Did the founder like the post?创始人喜欢这篇文章吗?
581At the end of your month, you should have a case study that sounds something like,在你的月底,你应该有一个案例研究 听起来像,
582I audited this company's growth.我审计了这家公司的成长情况
583We built this customer truth repo.我们造了这个客户的真相。
584I found it was like one high我发现它就像一个高
585intent pain that they didn't know about.他们不知道的痛苦
586I turned it into an outbound signal engine, which shipped我把它变成一个外向的信号引擎,它被运出
58775 targeted messages, got nine warm replies, booked three calls, and I documented everything75条目标信息,收到9个热情的回复,订了3个电话,我记录了一切
588I learned.我学的
589Then you're showing a real business result, tangible value.然后你展现了一个真正的商业成果, 有形的价值。
590That's how you get hired.这就是你如何被雇用。
591That's how you get clients and that's how you become credible.这就是你如何获得客户, 并由此变得可信。
592I think the best marketing我认为最好的营销
593engineers are going to feel like part marketer, part product person, part rev ops, part data工程师们会觉得像 部分营销员, 部分产品人, 部分rev操作, 部分数据
594analyst, part creator, and part engineer.分析师 部分创造者和部分工程师
595They can talk to a customer.他们可以跟客户说话
596They can build the workflow他们可以构建工作流程
597that uses that insight.用这种洞察力
598They can write the positioning.他们可以写位置。
599They can wire the automation,他们可以连接自动化,
600and they can make the landing page, and they can read the conversion, and they can set the outbound他们可以做登陆页, 他们可以读转换, 他们可以设置出
601agent, and they know when personalization sounds fake, and they can use AI to make more, and they've代理,他们知道 当个性化听起来是假的, 他们可以使用AI制造更多, 他们已经
602got the judgment and taste to know what should exist in the first place.得到判断和品味 知道什么应该存在在第一。
603The agents are going探员们走了
604to be a commodity at some point.在某个时刻成为商品。
605Your judgment about what to point them to is the moat, and你的判断是,什么是 指向护城河,和
606that's the job of the marketing engineer, really.这是营销工程师的工作,真的。
607I think it's going to be one of the most valuable我想这将是最有价值的之一
608jobs out there.外边的工作。
609If you're a marketer, this is how you become the person your company literally如果你是推销员,这就是你如何成为你公司的人
610cannot run without.无法运行没有。
611If you're a founder, this is how you get agents running your marketing for you.如果你是一个创始人, 这就是你如何让代理 运行你的营销为你。
612I think there's a real edge that you can have when you're actually using marketing agents我想当你真正使用营销代理的时候,你有一个真正的优势
613to actually grow your startup ideas, because people are still stuck in the old growth hacker,因为人们仍然被老式增长黑客困住
614or even worse, digital marketing era of marketing.更糟糕的是 营销的数字营销时代
615I think this window is open right now.我觉得这窗户现在打开了
616I think a lot of people haven't built the machine, and I wanted to give you the sauce so that you can我想很多人没有造机器 我想给你酱油
617internalize it, so you can process it, so you can get your hands dirty around building some内化它,你可以处理它, 这样你就可以得到你的手脏 周围建造一些
618of these agents, some of these marketing agents, because it's all about increasing your这些代理,一些这些营销代理, 因为这一切都是为了增加你的
619probability of success when it comes to building your own startup.在构建自己的启动时成功的可能性。
620I thought that, hey, if you can get a promotion, if you can have more fun being an employee我想,嘿,如果你能升职, 如果你能更有趣 作为一个员工
621working within an organization, why not do this?在组织内工作,为什么不这样做?
622I hope this has been helpful.我希望这有帮助。
623Obviously,显然
624I could have gone deeper in so many parts of this episode.我本可以深入本集的很多部分
625There just wasn't enough time,只是时间不够
626but do let me know what you want me to go deeper in.但是,告诉我,你想让我更深入。
627Is it the grokbot part?是杂货店吗?
628Is it the markdown是减价吗?
629files, skills?档案,技能?
630You let me know.你告诉我。
631I live to serve.我活着是为了服务。
632I'm here to just give that information to you.我是来告诉你这个消息的
633Hopefully, you enjoy it.希望你喜欢它。
634Hopefully, it gets your creative juices flowing.希望它能让你的创造力流畅
635If you haven't liked,如果你不喜欢的话
636commented, and subscribed at this point, I don't know what you're doing.评论和订阅 在这一点上,我不知道你在做什么。
637Hook it up.钩上它。
638You're hooking yourself up.汝当自缚.
639You're getting more quality content in your feed, less slop.你在饲料中得到了更多的质量内容, 少废话。
640Thank you for giving me your time.谢谢你给我时间
641I hope it's been helpful, and I'll see you next time.望其有助,下回相见.
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0:00I think one of the most valuable people in tech over the next 18 to 24 months is going to be我觉得未来18到24个月 科技最有价值的人之一
0:05something called a marketing engineer.一个叫营销工程师的
0:08Now some people call it a forward deployed marketer and现在有人称它为前方部署的推销员
0:11some other people are calling it an AI growth operator.有人称它为人工智能成长操作员
0:14I'm saying call it whatever you want.我是说随便你怎么说
0:16The name is probably going to change but the job won't.名字可能会改变 但工作不会改变
0:19It's the person who can do a whole marketing是那个能做整个营销的人
0:22teamwork with AI agents and I think there's going to be a ton of money to be made in it.和人工智能特工团队合作 我认为里面会有很多钱
0:28I actually think this becomes a 250k, 500k, a million dollar job because every company wants实际上我觉得这变成了一个250千,500千,100万美元的工作,因为每个公司都想要
0:34more leads, they want faster experiments, they want sharper positioning and they want to read更多的线索,他们想要更快的实验, 他们想要更清晰的定位,他们想要阅读
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1I think one of the most valuable people in tech over the next 18 to 24 months is going to be我觉得未来18到24个月 科技最有价值的人之一
2something called a marketing engineer.一个叫营销工程师的
3Now some people call it a forward deployed marketer and现在有人称它为前方部署的推销员
4some other people are calling it an AI growth operator.有人称它为人工智能成长操作员
5I'm saying call it whatever you want.我是说随便你怎么说
6The name is probably going to change but the job won't.名字可能会改变 但工作不会改变
7It's the person who can do a whole marketing是那个能做整个营销的人
8teamwork with AI agents and I think there's going to be a ton of money to be made in it.和人工智能特工团队合作 我认为里面会有很多钱
9I actually think this becomes a 250k, 500k, a million dollar job because every company wants实际上我觉得这变成了一个250千,500千,100万美元的工作,因为每个公司都想要
10more leads, they want faster experiments, they want sharper positioning and they want to read更多的线索,他们想要更快的实验, 他们想要更清晰的定位,他们想要阅读
11on their customers and they want their marketing to get smarter every week with a smaller team他们希望他们的市场营销 与一个更小的团队每周变得更聪明
12than a bigger team.比一个更大的团队。
13Whoever can walk in and just build that with AI agents are going to get to name谁能走进来,只要用人工智能的特工 来制造它,就会被点名
14their price.他们的价格。
15So if you're a marketer this is how you become way more valuable.如果你是市场营销员,这就是你如何变得更有价值。
16If you're a founder如果你是创始人
17you know this, you don't just want to vibe code something, you want people using your product so你知道,你不只是想要 感觉代码的东西, 你希望人们使用你的产品,所以
18you're going to have a huge edge if you can use AI agents to do your marketing for you.如果你能用人工智能代理做你的营销 就会有巨大的优势
19By the end到最后
20of this episode you're going to know what a marketing engineer actually does, what do they build,这个剧集你将会知道 一个营销工程师实际上做什么, 他们建造什么,
21what the tool stack looks like, how to use things like Grokbot and Claude and Codex and Hermes and工具堆叠是什么样子, 如何使用的东西 像格罗克博特,克劳德, Codex, Hermes和
22Creative Models, how they all play together within the context of a marketing engineer创意模特儿,他们如何在一个营销工程师的背景下一起玩
23and the exact 30-day plan I'd follow to learn from scratch if marketing engineering is interesting如果营销工程有趣的话 我会从零开始学习30天计划
24to you.给你的。
25Let's get into the episode.开演插曲.
26I can't wait to see what you build.我迫不及待地想看看你所建造的东西。
27So something I can't stop所以,我不能停止的东西
28thinking about is marketing keeps changing and having been a part of multiple cycles,思考的是市场营销不断改变 并且一直是多个周期的一部分
29I've started and sold three venture-backed companies.我创办并出售了三家风险支持公司.
30One was in the web era, one was in一个在网络时代,一个在
31the social era, one was in the mobile era.社会时代,一个在移动时代。
32Every time the technology changes the most每次技术变化最大
33valuable kind of marketer changes with it.有价值的营销者 随之而变化。
34So think about the traditional era of marketing.所以想一想传统的营销时代.
35I actually think about it as like the Don Draper era where marketing was about making people care其实我认为这是像唐·德雷珀时代 市场营销是为了让人们关心
36through the story, through the psychology, getting your product in front of people on whatever通过这个故事,通过心理学, 让你的产品在人们面前 无论什么
37channels existed at the time, things like traditional print media and radio.当时存在频道,如传统印刷媒体和电台.
38The best最厉害的
39marketers at that time understood what people wanted, what they were insecure about, who they市场营销者当时明白人们想要什么,他们不安全感,他们是谁
40were trying to become and how to package a product so the market paid attention.试图成为 以及如何包装一个产品 所以市场关注。
41Obviously that skill很明显,这种技巧
42matters a lot.事关重大
43But then the internet showed up and it created the digital marketer.但后来互联网出现了,它创造了数字营销商。
44So it evolved所以它进化了
45from traditional to digital.从传统到数字。
46Suddenly you had websites, email, SEO, Google.突然间你有网站,电子邮件,SEO,谷歌。
47In 2005, I think在2005年,我认为
48six, you had Facebook ads, landing pages, pixels.6,你有Facebook广告,登陆页面,像素。
49The best marketer became the person who could最好的推销员成为了能够
50acquire customers through channels you could actually measure.通过您可以实际测量的渠道获取客户。
51And a lot of people didn't很多人没有
52know these were new channels.知道这些都是新渠道。
53So the best marketers understood funnels, targeting these new channels因此,最好的营销员 了解漏斗, 瞄准这些新渠道
54analytics, things like Google Analytics and the very practical question about what happens after分析、谷歌分析 和关于之后会发生什么的实际问题
55someone clicks.有人点击。
56Then software created loops and then growth hacking became a thing around if I然后软件创建了循环,然后成长黑客 成为周围的东西,如果我
57remember correctly 2008, 9, 10, 11.记住2008年9月10日11点
58The best growth hacker people were all about activation,最好的成长黑客 都是关于激活,
59referrals, onboarding, retention, pricing.转介、入职、保留、定价。
60有个叫Dave McClure的人有这个
61I think it was called the R framework activation and referral.我认为它被称为R框架激活和推荐。
62That was the就是那个
63symbol of the time of the growth hacker era.表示成长黑客时代的时代。
64Basically marketing moved closer to product基本上市场营销更接近产品
65because the product itself could become the growth engine.因为产品本身可以成为增长的引擎.
66Now we're walking into the marketing现在我们走进市场
67engineering era and I feel like not a lot of people have spoken about this.工学时代,我觉得没有多少人谈到这个问题。
68That's why I want这就是我想要的
69this to be the defacto episode about this whole era.这是关于整个时代的诽谤剧集。
70The marketing engineer still needs all that营销工程师还需要这些
71old stuff.旧东西。
72It still needs customer understanding, judgment, positioning, understanding distribution,它仍然需要客户的理解,判断,定位,理解分布,
73taste.尝起来
74If anything taste, people talk about this all the time, but taste matters more now than ever如果有什么味道,人们总是谈论这个, 但味道现在比任何时候都重要
75because AI is about to make average marketing just unbelievably cheap.因为AI会让普通营销变得低廉
76The new part is that the新的部分是:
77marketing engineer also builds the system behind the marketing.营销工程师还构建了营销背后的系统.
78The marketing engineer is connecting营销工程师正在连接
79customer data, reading the results, shipping little landing pages and calculators and then turning raw客户数据,读取结果,传送少量的登陆页和计算器,然后转生
80customer signal into content outbound positioning and product ideas.客户信号输入内容外出定位和产品创意.
81The way I think about it isи稱猭琌
82traditional marketing was about making people care.传统的营销方式是让人们关心。
83Digital marketing was acquiring customers数字营销正在收购客户
84through measurable new channels.通过可衡量的新渠道。
85Growth hacking was about using product and data to build these增长的黑客黑客 是为了利用产品和数据来构建这些
86loops and marketing engineering is about using AI agents, data, code and taste to build a marketing循环和营销工程是使用AI代理,数据,代码和口味来构建营销
87system that keeps learning.不断学习的系统。
88The last phrase is an important one because a marketing system that keeps最后一个短语很重要,因为有一个营销系统
89learning is now actually possible in the agentic era.在代理时代,现在实际上可以学习。
90Now most companies already have pieces of现在,大多数公司已经 有一些
91lying around to their credit.躺在他们名下
92They've got tools and dashboards, calls, content calendars, CRM,他们有工具和仪表板,电话,内容日历,CRM,
93some SaaS tools.一些SaaS的工具。
94The problem is the learning is pretty scattered.问题在于学习很分散
95Sales might hear one version of销售可能听到一种版本的
96the market, support hears another, product sees the usage and marketing sees what got clicks.市场,支持听到另一个,产品看到使用,营销看到什么得到了点击。
97The founder remembers the one customer call that just hit him emotionally that week and just can't创始人记得那个星期刚打到的客户电话 就是不能
98get that one customer call out of his or her head.让一个顾客从他脑子里呼唤出来
99I know that happens to me.我知道这发生在我身上。
100Then everyone walks into the growth meeting with a slightly different version of reality.然后每个人都走进增长会议 与一个略有不同的现实版本。
101So the marketing engineer's whole job is actually to pull in these signals into one system and turn所以营销工程师的全部工作是把这些信号拉进一个系统
102them into growth.他们成长了。
103So the way I define the role is this.所以我定义这个角色的方法就是这个。
104A marketing engineer is the person营销工程师就是那个人
105who turns market signal into pipeline using AI agents, data, code, taste, and that's really the用人工智能、数据、代码、品味 将市场信号变成管道
106job.任务。
107I'm going to get super tactical on how you can actually do this soon.我会得到超级战术 如何你实际上可以做到这一点很快。
108If I were a founder如果我是创始人
109right now, the question I'd be asking myself is who on my team would be building the growth system现在,我要问自己的问题是,我的团队中谁要建立成长体系?
110for this company?这家公司?
111Now I am a founder myself, so a lot of time I'm doing this myself.现在我是一个创始人, 所以很多时候我自己做。
112I just hope我只是希望你们能...
113that if you're a founder listening here, either you hire someone or you do it yourself.如果你是这里的创始人 要么雇人 要么你自己做
114Because the companies that are going to win in this agentic era are going to learn the market因为在这个代理时代要赢的公司 要学会市场
115faster than anyone else, so it's crucial to know.比任何人都快,所以它的关键是知道。
116If you see the customer pain earlier,如果你看到顾客之前的痛苦,
117you spot the winning language earlier, you're testing more angles using Facebook ads,你早点发现胜利语言 你用Facebook广告测试更多角度
118shipping more surfaces, lead magnets, and understand what's working before the competitor运输更多的表面,铅磁铁, 并了解什么是工作 在竞争者之前
119even notices things, you have this unfair advantage.甚至注意到一些事情, 你有这种不公平的优势。
120So the question I get asked a lot所以,我被问了很多问题
121is, okay, but what is the first thing I would build?是,好吧,但什么是第一件事 我将建造?
122Okay, I want to become a marketing好吧,我想成为市场营销
123engineer.工程师
124I want to do more marketing engineering.我想做更多的营销工程。
125What do I build first?我先建什么楼?
126And the first thing I would第一件事,我会
127build is a growth repo.建设是增长的回波。
128Yeah, I know it sounds a little bit nerdy, but even if you're non-technical,是啊,我知道这听起来有点书呆子, 但即使你不是技术,
129I believe you can do it.我相信你能做到这一点。
130So you're going to want to go and create a GitHub repo, or honestly just a所以,你要去 创建一个GitHub Repo, 或者说实话,只是
131structured folder.结构化文件夹。
132You can call it something like growth OS, and it becomes a place where the你可以称之为像成长的OS, 它成为一个地方,在那里
133company's marketing memory is going to live.公司营销记忆要活下来了
134The problem it's going to be solving is that most问题在于
135people use AI in these random chats.人们在这种随机聊天时使用AI.
136So they'll open up a chat GBT or Claude, Gemini, they'll ask所以他们会打开一个聊天GBT或克劳德,双子座,他们会问
137for 10 posts, and maybe they'll copy one into a doc that they like, and then the work just disappears.也许他们会把一个复制成他们喜欢的医生 然后工作就消失了
138Next week, the AI is starting from scratch again, when what it really needed was the下周,AI又从头开始, 当时它真正需要的是
139performance data and the founder's voice and the objection from the sales calls and the language性能数据和创始人的声音以及销售电话和语言的反对
140that actually created replies.这实际上产生了答复。
141So the growth repo is going to fix that.因此,增长的回波会解决这个问题。
142And inside it,内心深处
143what we're going to have is a customer truth folder.我们将会有一个客户 真相文件夹。
144And that's going to have our sales calls那将会有我们的销售电话
145notes or support tickets, maybe some churn notes, interviews, even live product feedback can go in笔记或支持票,也许一些笔记,访谈,甚至现场产品反馈都可以进去
146there.这里
147So you've got a content engine folder with the founder voice guide, with the winning所以,你有一个内容引擎文件夹 与创始人 语音指南,与胜利
148hooks and the scripts and notes on what's performed before.钩子和剧本和前作的笔记.
149You've got an outbound engine folder with你有外出引擎文件夹
150the ICP, your ideal customer profile, the account research, the trigger events, maybe some approved比较方案,你理想的客户简介, 账户研究,触发事件,也许一些批准
151angles could be good to have there.角度可能不错
152Even actually band language is good to have as well.甚至乐队语言也不错。
153Because AI outbound gets weird fast.因为AI走出去会变得怪怪的
154If you let it talk like an overexcited SDR who just discovered如果你让它说话像一个过度激动的 特别提款权刚刚发现
155personalization, sometimes bad things can happen.个性化,有时坏事会发生.
156So you've got a creative testing folder for ad所以,你有一个创造性测试文件夹 广告
157angles and things like landing page tests and hooks and offers and results.角度和诸如登陆页测试和钩子 以及提议和结果
158And you've got an你有一个
159AI regions folder where you define the jobs your AI workers do.AI 区域文件夹中您定义您的 AI 工作者的工作 。
160And that repo is the difference这回波是不同的
161between, hey, AI helped me make a thing, and AI is helping the whole company get smarter.嘿,AI帮助我做了一件事, 而AI正在帮助整个公司变得更聪明。
162That's这是
163how a growth or a marketing engineer is thinking about it.成长或营销工程师是如何思考的.
164And then the prompt gets way better.然后就更及时了
165So instead of, hey, write me 10 LinkedIn posts, you say, read the customer truth file,所以,而不是,嘿, 写信给我10链接 在帖子上,你说,阅读客户的真相档案,
166read the founder voice file, read the last five posts that drove qualified replies,读取创建者语音文件,读取最后五个驱动合格回复的文章,
167and draft five new posts around pains buyers that were actually mentioned this week.并起草五个新的帖子 围绕疼痛买家 本周实际上提到。
168So it's a所以这是一个
169totally different level of output because the agent is now having real context.完全不同的输出水平 因为代理现在有真实的背景。
170What tools do什么工具来着?
171I need if I want to become a marketing engineer?我要成为营销工程师吗?
172Well, I'll tell you some of the most important好吧,我告诉你一些最重要的
173ones and how to think about where all the tools fit and your tool stack.如何思考所有工具的位置和工具堆
174So Grokbot is new,格罗克博特是新来的
175but it's just an incredible product.但它只是一个令人难以置信的产品。
176So I think of Grokbot as the growth operating system that所以我认为Grokbot是生长操作系统
177lives close to the internet.住在互联网附近
178So marketing is a living system.所以营销是一种活的系统.
179The marketing is moving.市场营销在动.
180Competitors are moving.竞者动.
181Culture is changing.文化正在发生变化。
182Customers are changing their language.顾客正在改变他们的语言。
183Creators are picking up new formats.创造者正在收集新的格式。
184Grokbot is especially useful in that world because it is格鲁克博特在那个世界上特别有用,因为它
185connected to the X ecosystem.与X生态系统相连.
186If I were setting this up as a founder, I'd give it a few clear如果我装作一个创始人 我会说清楚的
187lanes.车道。
188So I'd say one bot watches competitors and tells me what changed.所以我说一个机器人看竞争对手 告诉我什么变了
189One is going to watch一个要看
190客户语言横跨X和Reddit.
191One watches the creators in the niche and finds formats一个人看创作者在特殊位置 并找到格式
192worth testing.值得测试。
193And one watches ads and landing pages.还有一个看广告和登陆页
194Basically, wherever there's a connection基本上,无论哪里有联系
195to the internet, Grokbot is going to be extra good there.在互联网上, Grokbot 会是额外的好在那里。
196That doesn't mean you can't use这不代表你不能用
197Grokbot to do everything.格罗克博特做一切。
198You totally can.你绝对可以。
199And I think I'm one of those people that say basically我想我是那种说
200pick an ecosystem that you like, that you feel comfortable with.选择一个你喜欢的,你觉得舒服的生态系统。
201如果Grokbot对你很好
202just do everything in there as well.也做点什么吧
203This is just the way I'm thinking about it.这正是我的想法。
204Hope it gets the creative juices flowing.希望它能让创造力流畅
205For me, I use Claude and Codex and products like that in对我来说,我用克劳德和Codex 和这样的产品
206a different part of the system.系统的不同部分。
207So they're going to help me build the repo and generate the landing所以他们要帮助我建造回波 并生成着陆
208pages, writing scripts, building the little internal tools that I was talking about, and then网页,写剧本, 建设小的内部工具,我谈到,然后
209that repeatable work into something durable.那可重复的工作 成为持久的东西。
210I've talked on this channel about Hermes before.我以前在这个频道上说过赫尔墨斯
211Hermes-style workflows are still extremely valuable, especially when you want scheduledHermes风格的工作流程仍然极有价值,特别是你想安排的时候
212operations with memory and approval.有内存和批准的操作。
213So something like every Monday morning, build me a market brief所以每周一早上给我做个市场简报
214or every Friday afternoon, review the experiments.或者每个星期五下午, 检查实验。
215Every time a fresh batch of sales calls land,每次有批新鲜的销量 要求着陆,
216maybe put it in a folder and then pull the objections and update the positioning file.也许把它放进文件夹,然后拉 反对并更新定位文件。
217Then you have creative models.然后你有创意的模型。
218They're going to help you move faster on ads, thumbnails,他们会帮助你更快地在广告,缩略图,
219mock-ups, and video concepts.模拟和视频概念
220There's a bunch of those that exist.有众生者.
221这是FAL AI.
222There's Higgs还有希格斯
223field.字段。
224There's a bunch of them.有众生.
225And local AI matters when the data is particularly sensitive当地人工智能在数据特别敏感时很重要
226or there's private customer transcripts or regulated nodes, pricing plans.或者有私人客户笔录 或规范的节点,定价计划。
227Basically,基本上说
228anything a company would feel weird sending into a cloud tool.任何公司会觉得怪异 发送到云工具。
229Also, things that are too expensive还有,太贵的东西
230to do into a cloud tool.做一个云工具。
231I'm going to do a whole separate episode on local AI, so stay tuned for我要在本地的AI上 单独做一集 所以请继续听
232that over the next one or two weeks and subscribe so that comes into your feed.在接下来的一两周里,订阅 从而进入你的饲料。
233The tools are going这些工具正在运行
234to keep changing, but the workflow is the thing to actually learn.但工作流程是实际学习的
235Where it gets really interesting变得很有趣的地方
236is when the agent connects to live business data and the tools, obviously, to actually do the work.即当代理连接到活的商业数据 和工具,很明显, 实际工作。
237取SSO内容.
238The beginner version is asking an AI to write a blog post about a keyword.初学者要求AI写一篇关于关键词的博客文章。
239A页:1
240marketing engineer isn't going to do that.营销工程师不会这么做的
241A marketing engineer is going to check Google一个营销工程师要去检查谷歌
242Search Console, pulling keyword data from Ahrefs or SEMrush.搜索控制台,从Ahrefs或SEMrush调取关键词数据.
243Look inside this CMS to see if it看里面的CMS,看看有没有
244already exists.已经存在。
245It's going to rank opportunities by volume and by buyer intent, and it's going to它会按照数量和买家的意向排序机会
246research what's already ranking, hopefully adding the founder's point of view and draft the post,研究已经排行榜的内容 希望能增加创始人的观点 并起草文章
247write the meta title, suggest internal links, and just send the whole thing for approval.写元标题,建议内部链接, 并发送整个事情批准。
248That's a pretty big jump, but the agent has a job, the job has inputs, and the inputs come这是一个相当大的跳跃, 但代理有工作,工作有投入, 投入来了
249from the business, and the output goes somewhere useful.从业务, 输出去某个有用的地方。
250Every agent is going to need a real job每个探员都需要一份真正的工作
251spec.谱.
252I'd write it out almost like I was hiring a person.我几乎会把它写出来 就像我雇用一个人。
253Here's the data source.以下是数据源.
254Here's when you这是当你
255run it.运行它。
256Here's what you filter out.这是你过滤出来的。
257Here's the output I expect.这是我想得到的输出
258Here's what good looks like.这里的好样子。
259Here's what's going to need human approval.这里需要人类的批准
260Here's the metric that matters, and here's这是最重要的指标,这里
261what you write the result so the system gets smarter next time.你写的结果 让系统下次更聪明
262For maybe a competitor,对于一个竞争者,
263engager agent, that might be every weekday morning, check these 20 LinkedIn accounts,接线员 可能是每天早上 检查这20个 在账户中,
264and pull the people who commented on new posts, enrich them, drop the bad fit leads, and draft并拉动那些评论新职位的人, 丰富他们, 放下不合适的线索, 并起草
26510 messages tied to specific posts they engaged with.10条信息与他们参与的具体职位有关。
266Then obviously write the results to a file那么显然把结果写成文件
267for approval.供核准。
268The metric is going to be positive replies from qualified accounts because a marketing因为市场营销,
269engineer cares about business results, not activity accounts.工程师关心的是业务成果,而不是活动账户.
270Messages sent is activity,发送的信息是活动,
271{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}而营销工程师正在尝试
272to do is to generate pipeline demand.这样做就是产生管道需求。
273You train these agents the same way you train and you hire.你训练这些特工的方式和你训练和雇用一样
274You start with small tasks.你从小任务开始
275You watch it work.你看着它的工作。
276You correct the mistakes.你纠正了错误
277You add the correction to您添加更正到
278memory because now we have memory, and then you expand the scope as you increase your comfort level.记忆,因为现在我们有记忆, 然后,你扩大范围 当你提高你的舒适水平。
279If the outbound agent writes a first line that sounds like fake, for example, you've got to add如果外出代理写第一行 听起来像假的,例如,你必须添加
280the rule to the repo, and if the content agent keeps writing these generic intros that sound like如果内容代理继续写这些听起来像
281generic AI, you give it three good examples and three bad ones.通用AI,你给它三个好例子和三个坏例子。
282If the customer truth agent makes如果客户的真相代理商
283a claim with no evidence, we've got a problem here.没有证据的声称, 我们有一个问题在这里。
284You've got to add the rule that every insight你必须附加一条规则 每个洞察力
285needs a quote or a link or a source.需要引用或链接或来源。
286Every correction becomes part of this operating system,每一个修正都成为这个操作系统的一部分,
287this growth marketing engineering system, and that's how this whole thing compounds.这个增长营销工程系统, 这整件事就是如此复杂。
288Going back to how does a marketing engineer make a million dollars a year or $500,000 a year or回到一个营销工程师 如何每年赚一百万美元 或每年50万美元
289$1.5 million a year for their own startup, it's because they're building this and it's so darn一年150万美元,他们自己的启动, 这是因为他们正在建造这个,它是如此该死的
290valuable.有价值
291Let's actually get into a concrete example so that this gets solidified into your head.让我们来举个具体的例子 这样你就能明白这一点
292Imagine a vertical SaaS startup selling software to commercial HVAC contractors.想象一个垂直的SaaS启动向商业HVAC承包商出售软件.
293These are companies managing technicians and service calls and maintenance contracts这些公司管理技术人员和服务电话及维修合同
294and dispatch.和调度。
295It's a real B2B market.这是一个真正的B2B市场.
296The buyer has a lot of money, the workflows are messy,买家有很多钱 工作流程很乱
297and the language is specific, which is why I wanted to use this example.语言很具体 所以我想用这个例子
298The marketing营销
299problem for that company is usually a little bit more sharper than, hey, we need some more content.公司的问题通常比,嘿, 我们需要更多的内容。
300The real problem that they're facing is usually something like which pain gets the owner to take他们面临的真正问题 通常是痛苦让主人承受
301a demo.一个演示。
302Maybe it's dispatch chaos or maybe it's late invoices.可能是发送混乱 也可能是迟到的发票
303Maybe it's that the owner也许是老板
304has no idea which jobs were profitable until the month is over, or maybe it's actually that也不知道哪个工作能赚钱 直到这个月结束 或者也许其实是
305the technician finishes a service call, spots a replacement opportunity, and the follow-up技术员完成一个服务电话, 斑点替换机会,以及后续
306quote just never gets sent.引文只是从来没有被发送。
307That's interesting just because it's really specific.这很有趣,因为它是非常具体的。
308When you have当你有
309something specific, it's just interesting.具体的事情,它只是有趣的。
310My bunny ears go up.我的兔子耳朵会向上
311Stop losing, replacing别输了,换了
312revenue after every service call is obviously a much sharper angle than run your HVAC business每次服务电话后的收入 明显比经营HVAC业务要尖锐得多
313better.好多了,你还好吧?
314This is where your marketing engineer is going to earn their keep.你的营销工程师会在这里挣钱
315It's going to start要开始了
316with the customer true system.与客户真实系统。
317The first system is going to be the customer true system.第一个系统将是真正的客户系统。
318Every每个
319startup says they understand the customer and you talk to five people and they get five different启动员说他们了解客户,你跟五个人说话 他们得到五个不同的人
320results.结果。
321We talked about that.我们谈过了
322The marketing engineer is going to pull those signals into营销工程师会把这些信号调进去
323one place.一个地方。
324The output is a file called what the market is telling us.md.产出是一个名为市场告诉我们的文档. Md.
325I tweeted about this idea我推特上说这个主意
326and went viral.并传播病毒。
327I'm glad people liked it.我很高兴人们喜欢它。
328It's basically a markdown file which updates every它基本上是一个标记下的文件 每一个更新
329week depending on how much signal the company is going to have.取决于公司会有多少信号
330It's reading the sales calls and它在读销售电话
331support tickets and churn notes, even strike movement.支持罚单和笔记 甚至罢工行动
332CRM notes is a good one and alsoCRM笔记也不错
333social data, especially if it's more consumery.社会数据,特别是如果它更消费.
334Its whole job is to show what's changed.它的整个工作是显示什么改变了。
335Maybe也许
336the buyers are using a different phrase than they were using a month ago, or maybe the trial users买家使用的语句与一个月前不同 或者是试验用户
337keep getting stuck before they invite a teammate.在他们邀请队友之前 一直被困住
338You're just going to get some insight and you're你会得到一些洞察力 而你
339going to ask the agent to show, quote, snippets, ticket links, event counts.将要求代理 显示,引用,片段,票链接,事件计数。
340What you don't want你不想要的东西
341is obviously a vague summary, which I've seen a lot of people do this.显然是一个模糊的总结, 我见过很多人这样做。
342They just get these summaries他们只是得到这些摘要
343and it's pretty vague.和它相当模糊。
344In this case, you'd get something like customers want better collaboration.在这种情况下,你会得到一些像顾客想要更好的合作的东西.
345You want something way more sharp than that.你想要比这更尖锐的东西
346I want the thing that's going to make the business我要做这个生意
347harder to lie to.更难说谎。
348For the HVAC company, a good memo might be something like,对HVAC公司来说, 一个很好的备忘录 可能是类似的东西,
349five sales calls this week mentioned emergency dispatch, but the calls that actually converted5个销售电话本周提到紧急发送, 但实际上转换的电话
350all talked about missed follow-up quotes after the tech left.技术员离开后,他们都说漏了后续报价
351Just a lot sharper.更锋利一点
352The second system is the founder content engine.第二个系统是创始内容引擎.
353A lot of companies have很多公司都拥有
354great raw material, like the founder has opinions and you've got customer stories,伟大的原材料,像创始人 有意见,你有客户故事,
355but you're not really capturing all the stuff.但你并没有真正捕捉到所有的东西。
356The marketing engineer could build the loop.营销工程师可以建立环路.
357You can record the founder talking to customers.可以录制创始人与客户交谈.
358You can pull from podcasts, extract the strongest你可以从播客中抽取最强的
359{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}然后让系统观察什么表演 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}它让人们不停地看
360because you have this data.因为你有这个数据。
361Then you create content out of that.然后你从中创造内容。
362对于HVAC公司,
363imagine something like the loss replacement revenue insight becoming five things.想象一下损失重置收入 变成五样东西
364A founder创始人
365post about the hidden revenue leak and service businesses, a short video on why contractors关于隐藏收入泄漏和服务企业的文章,
366lose money after the first visit, a landing page line that says every completed job第一次访问后就输了钱 上面写着每个完成的工作
367should create the next quote, a cold email angle could be good and a simple calculator应当创建下一个引用, 冷却的电子邮件角度可能很好, 并且是一个简单的计算器
368that estimates the loss revenue.估计损失收入。
369The system here is learning.这里的系统正在学习。
370The third system is the outbound第三个系统是外出
371signal engine.信号引擎。
372Bad outbound usually starts with a spreadsheet full of names, but good outbound坏出界通常从充满名字的电子表格开始,但好出界
373starts with timing.从时间开始。
374Who just raised money?谁刚筹到钱?
375Who's hiring for the exact problem you solve?到底是谁在雇你?
376Who
377posted publicly about a pain point?公开发布一个疼痛点?
378Then who fits your ICP and has a real reason to care this week?那么,谁适合你的比较方案 并有真正的理由 关心这个星期?
379These people, they've got the pain.这些人,他们有痛苦。
380You're selling painkillers, not vitamins, when timing你卖止痛药,不是维他命 当时机成熟
381hurts.伤害。
382Having an agent watching those signals, researching accounts,有个特工监视这些信号 调查账户
383drafting specific angles, and sending to human for approvals, that's the type of thing that for写出具体的角度, 并发送到人类 批准,这是类型的东西
384the HVAC company would be awesome.HVAC公司会很棒的
385Watching for contractors, hiring dispatchers, or opening new监视承包商、雇用调度员或开设新的
386locations, getting bad reviews, and then having the agent actually go and reach out outbound地点, 得到糟糕的评论, 然后让代理 实际去和联系出去
387is going to be huge.这将是巨大的。
388The fourth is the creative testing engine.第四是创意测试引擎.
389Taking one offer and spinning up接受一个提议,转身
39020 hooks, 10 ad angles, recording the results, and testing them.20个钩子,10个广告角度,记录结果,并进行测试.
391很多人说Facebook
392ads don't work for me.广告对我没用
393Yeah, maybe.是啊,也许。
394Or maybe the creative, you're just not testing enough creative或也许有创意, 你只是测试不够创造性
395with the right angle.以正确的角度。
396A good marketing engineer could create thousands of pieces of creative一个优秀的营销工程师可以创造出成千上万的创意
397based on your positioning.根据你的定位
398It's basically like having creative becoming this learning system,这基本上就像有创意 成为这个学习系统,
399not really a treadmill that you actually have to do.并不是一个真正的跑步机 你实际上必须做的。
400You're going to have it on repeat,你会有它重复,
401having these agents go and create creative based on just how the world is changing and how that data让这些特工们去创造创造力 基于世界正在如何变化 以及数据是如何变化
402is changing too.也正在改变。
403Again, another huge insight around, wow, this is a new way of doing marketing,再一次,另一个巨大的洞察力 围绕,哇, 这是一个新的营销方式,
404marketing engineer.营销工程师.
405The fifth system is AI search visibilities.第五个系统是AI搜索粘度.
406There's a billion plus people using有十亿人使用
407聊天GPT只问聊天GPT.
408I'm not talking about Google AI overviews or Gemini or Perplexity我不是说Google AI的概论 双子座或双子座
409or Claude.或者克劳德
410I just saw Sam Altman said they have a billion users.我刚刚看到Sam Altman说他们有十亿用户
411It's insane.这太疯狂了
412You've got to think about whether your company is even understandable to those systems and then你得考虑一下你的公司 是否对这些系统都可以理解 然后
413having agents actually go pull in that data and actually create content and optimize your website让代理人员去调取数据 并创造内容和优化您的网站
414such that you're ranking high there.让你的排名很高
415Getting cited by AI is such a huge opportunity and something被AI引用是一个巨大的机会和东西
416a marketing engineer is thinking about, of course.一个营销工程师在想,当然。
417The sixth system is the growth cockpit.第六个系统是生长驾驶舱.
418This is like a weekly view that tells the team what has changed and what to do about it,这就像每周的风景 告诉球队什么已经改变 和该怎么办,
419what content has worked, what campaign created real conversations, which objection came up again,什么内容起作用了,什么运动创造了真正的对话,
420what test won, how many tests won, what percentage of tests won, what competitors moved,什么样的测试赢了, 多少测试赢了, 多少比例的测试赢了, 什么竞争者移动,
421what customer pain is getting louder, and what to test next.顾客的痛苦越发强烈 接下来要测试什么
422对于HVAC公司,
423the cockpit might say something like, hey, this week the lost replacement revenue angle drove驾驶舱可能说,嘿, 这周丢失的替代收入角度驱动
424fewer clicks than the dispatch angle, but twice as many demo requests from owners with more than点击次数比调度角度要少,但显示用户请求的次数要多一倍
42520 tech.20个技术
426That's the kind of memo that if you're an executive, you want to wake up to that.这就是那种备忘录,如果你是一名执行官,你想唤醒这个.
427That's super, super valuable.这是超级,超级有价值的。
428If you've gotten this far, what are some ideas on how you actually如果你走得这么远,你有什么想法
429can make money with marketing engineering?营销工程能赚钱吗?
430I think there's a few ways that you can do it.我认为有几种方法你可以做到这一点。
431The first is becoming the person inside the company.第一个是成为公司内部的人。
432If you're already a marketer or a如果你已经是推销员或
433rev ops person, a growth person, a creator, or just honestly like a curious marketing-mindedRev对人,成长的人,创造者, 或者只是诚实的像一个好奇的营销意识
434person, this is one of the clearest ways to become way more valuable because this work sits人,这是最清楚的方法之一 变得更有价值 因为这部作品坐着
435directly next to revenue.紧邻收入。
436All the ideas that we talked about, all the systems that we talked我们谈论的所有想法, 我们谈论的所有系统
437about is things around creating pipeline, lifting conversion, cutting wasted spend is huge with创造管道 提升转换 削减浪费的花费是巨大的
438things like these marketing agents.像这些营销代理商
439You've got this direct line to business value,你有这条直线 与商业价值,
440and that's how someone becomes a $500,000 hire because they look at it and they're like, well,所以有人成了50万的雇工 因为他们看着它,他们喜欢,嗯,
441if I'm going to save $2 million and I'm going to increase revenue this much and I'm going to如果我能省下200万 我就能增加这么多收入
442double the conversion rate, that's a huge, huge, it's a win-win situation.换算率翻一番,这是巨大的,巨大的,是双赢的局面.
443Why in the original I said I think that there's going to be people make a million dollars doing为什么我原话里说,我觉得人们会赚一百万
444this, and I actually think that's conservative.这个,我实际上认为这是保守的。
445I think there will be versions of the best我想会有最好的版本
446marketing engineers making millions of dollars a year is because they're going to be just driving营销工程师每年赚上百万 因为他们只是开车
447insane amounts of value in the same way that forward deploy engineers are driving insane amounts与前方部署的工程师一样 疯狂的金额
448of value for companies right now.现在对公司的价值。
449The second way is just do consulting.第二种方式就是咨询
450You create an offer,你创造了一个提议,
451you embed with a founder-led company, maybe it's 30, 60, 90 days, you build one growth system,你与一个创始人领导的公司嵌入, 也许这是30,60,90天, 你建立一个增长系统,
452and then you sell the outcome.然后卖掉结果
453Hey, we'll build your customer true system and turn it into weekly嘿,我们会建立你的客户真实系统 并把它变成每周
454campaigns, or we'll build your founder content engine, or we'll build your outbound signal或者我们造你的创始人内容引擎 或者我们造你的外向信号
455engine.发动机。
456Some of these ideas that we talked about, you just embed yourself, you build it,我们讨论过的一些想法, 你只是嵌入你自己, 你建造它,
457and you charge $5,000, $10,000, $30,000 a month depending on what you're actually building.每月收费五千元,一万元,三万元 取决于你实际建造的是什么
458The third, somewhat less talked about, is productized services.第三个 -- -- 略少谈 -- -- 是生产服务。
459You can pick one wedge你可以选个楔子
460and then repeat it.然后复说.
461For example, outbound signal engines for vertical SaaS, that's what you focus例如,用于垂直SaaS的外向信号引擎,这就是你聚焦的
462on, or founder content engine for B2B CEOs, customer truth repos for seed stage startupsB2B CEO的创建内容引擎, 种子阶段启动的客户真实性重置
463before they hire a full marketing team.在他们雇佣一个完整的营销团队之前
464The tighter the wedge, the easier it is to sell,楔子越紧 越容易卖掉
465deliver, and repeat, and that's the only thing that you focus on.提供,并重复, 这是你唯一专注于的事情。
466That's why it's called故名为.
467productized services, because it's not like you're doing services, custom things for everyone.产品化的服务, 因为这不是你做的服务, 定制的东西给每个人。
468There's just one thing you do for this one niche, and you charge X amount of dollars for it.只有一件事你做这个位置, 你收取X的金额。
469The fourth is software.第四个是软件。
470I think the biggest outcomes are going to come from this,我认为最大的结果 将会从这个,
471but I do think that I would start with services first.但我确实认为 我会先从服务开始。
472You do the work by hand,你亲手做的
473you build the same system for five companies, 10 companies, and you notice the pain that repeats,你为五家公司,十家公司 建立了同样的系统,你注意到 痛苦的重复,
474and then that's when you turn it into software.然后当你把它变成软件。
475That's also how you avoid building something这也是你如何避免建造的东西
476that nobody wants.没有人想要。
477The fun part is all these ideas actually stack together.有趣的是所有这些想法实际上都堆在一起。
478You can start by你可以从头开始
479consulting to learn what actually works.咨询来了解什么是实际可行的。
480You can notice the same system every client needs,你可以注意到同样的系统 每一个客户端需要,
481you productize it, you eventually turn it into software like a set of agents.你将它生产出来, 你最终把它变成一个软件 像一组代理。
482If I were doing this tomorrow morning, I would keep the first version almost painfully simple.如果我明天早上这样做,我就会使第一个版本几乎痛苦地简单化。
483I would build that growth OS folder, I'd have five of those files, customer truth, founder voice,我会建立成长OS文件夹, 我会有5个文件, 客户真相,创始人的声音,
484experiments, agent jobs, and then I would paste 20 real customer notes or call summaries,实验 代理工作 然后我会粘贴20个真正的客户通知书 或调用摘要
485and then I would ask the agent to do one job.然后我会请经纪人做一件事
486I'd say, tell me what's changed, show me the receipts,告诉我有什么变化 给我看收据
487{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}建议进行一次营销测试 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这个测试本周 而不是下周
488from now, and then build one thing from that output for that HVAC company I was talking about.从现在开始,然后用那个产出 来为我所说的HVAC公司建造一个东西。
489Maybe it's the loss replacement revenue calculator or something like that.也许是损失重置收入计算器之类的
490The first goal is just to第一个目标是
491system, can turn this messy market data into one useful action.系统,可以把这个混乱的市场数据 变成一个有用的行动。
492If you listen to this and you're如果你听这个,你是
493like, wow, being a marketing engineer sounds really cool, I want to go hone my skills in the就像,哇,作为一个营销工程师 听起来真的很酷, 我想去磨练我的技能在
494next 30 days to become a marketing engineer, be it as an employee, as a founder, whatever it is,接下来的30天,成为一个营销工程师, 无论是作为一个雇员,作为一个创始人, 不管是什么,
495here's the plan that I would run.我的计划是这样的
496Week one, I would do an audit.一周,我会做一个审计。
497I'd pick one real company,我会选一个真正的公司,
498it could be yours or friends, whatever you can get access to.它可能是你的或朋友, 无论你能得到什么。
499I would study the website,我会研究网站,
500the offer, the ICP, the founder's content, if there is any.如果有的话,请提供ICP,创始人的内容。
501Sales calls and support tickets,销售电话和机票,
502if you can get them, obviously, and then you output a market map.如果你能得到它们,很明显, 然后你输出一个市场地图。
503Who's the customer?谁是顾客?
504What什麽?
505pain do they describe?他们描述的是疼痛吗?
506What words do they use?他们用什么词?
507What would you test first?你要先测试什么?
508What are they buying他们买什么?
509instead of your product or this product?而不是你的产品还是这个产品?
510Where does the funnel leak and what would you test漏斗在哪里漏水 你会测试什么
511first?首先吗?
512Week one is just studying all that stuff.一周只是研究那些东西
513Week two is the growth repo.第二周是增长回波.
514Create it, add the创建它,添加
515folders, and build your first what is the market telling us markdown file.文件夹,并构建你的第一个 什么是市场告诉我们马克降级文件。
516You can use whatever随便用什么
517tools you like.你喜欢的工具。
518可以是Claw,JadGBT,Grokbot,双子座当地模特儿,不管是什么.
519The tools工具
520actually matter less than the workflow here.和工作流程无关
521The goal is basically just to turn that scattered目标基本上就是扭转这种分散状态
522{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}在备忘录里写着真实的收据 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}实际上开始感觉像真正的市场营销
523engineer.工程师
524Week three is your first machine.第三个星期是你的第一台机器
525You can pick one system and actually build it.你可以选择一个系统 并实际建造它。
526It could be the content engine, the outbound signal engine, a landing page tester.可以是内容引擎,外出信号引擎,登陆页测试机.
527Obviously, this is going to vary depending on what the company needs and wants, but just pick one很明显,这将会因公司需要和需要而有所不同, 但只要选一个
528because you're going to get better outcome with one.因为你会得到更好的结果 一个。
529One working system is going to beat five一个工作系统会击败五个
530half-built ones.半个造的
531Week four is just all about results.第四个星期只是关于结果。
532What changed?什么变了?
533You did this thing.这是你干的
534Did已经
535replies improve?答复有所改进?
536Did meetings get booked?会议安排好了吗?
537Did any conversion lift?有没有转机?
538Did the founder sound sharper?创始人听起来更锋利吗?
539Did the founder like the post?创始人喜欢这篇文章吗?
540At the end of your month, you should have a case study that sounds月底,你应该有 案例研究听起来
541like, I audited this company's growth.喜欢,我审计了这家公司的成长。
542We built this customer truth repo.我们造了这个客户的真相。
543I found it was like one我发现它就像一个
544high-intent pain that they didn't know about.他们不知道的高意痛
545I turned it into an outbound signal engine which我把它变成一个外向信号引擎
546shipped 75 targeted messages, got nine warm replies, booked three calls.发送了75条目标信息,得到了9个温暖的答复,预订了3个电话。
547I documented everything我记录了一切
548what I learned.我学到的
549Then you're showing a real business result, tangible value.然后你展现了一个真正的商业成果, 有形的价值。
550That's how you get这就是你得到的
551clients and that's how you become credible.客户 这就是你如何变得可信。
552I think the best marketing engineers are going to我觉得最好的营销工程师会
553feel like part marketer, part product person, part rev ops, part data analyst, part creator,感觉像部分营销员,部分产品人, 部分rev操作, 部分数据分析师, 部分创建者,
554and part engineer.和部分工程师。
555They can talk to a customer.他们可以跟客户说话
556They can build the workflow that uses that他们可以建立工作流程 利用它
557insight.洞见.
558They can write the positioning.他们可以写位置。
559They can wire the automation.他们可以给自动化系统打线
560They can make the landing他们可以降落
561page.页面。
562They can read the conversion.他们可以读到转换。
563They can set the outbound agent.他们可以派外出特工
564They know when他们知道什么时候
565personalization sounds fake.个性化听起来是假的。
566They can use AI to make more.他们可以使用AI来制造更多.
567They've got the judgment and taste他们有判断力和品味
568to know what should exist in the first place.来知道应该存在什么
569The agents are going to be a commodity at some代理商会成为一些商品
570point.点。
571Your judgment about what to point them to is the moat.你的判断是,什么是他们指向护城河。
572That's the job of the marketing这就是营销工作
573engineer really.工程师真的。
574I think it's going to be one of the most valuable jobs out there.我想这将是最有价值的工作之一 在那里。
575If you're a marketer, this is how you become the person your company literally cannot run如果你是推销员,这就是你如何成为 你公司实际上无法运作的人
576without.没有。
577If you're a founder, this is how you get agents running your marketing for you.如果你是一个创始人, 这就是你如何让代理 运行你的营销为你。
578I think there's a real edge that you can have when you're actually using marketing agents我想当你真正使用营销代理的时候,你有一个真正的优势
579to actually grow your startup ideas because people are still stuck in the old growth hacker因为人们仍然被老式的成长黑客所困
580or even worse, digital marketing era of marketing.更糟糕的是 营销的数字营销时代
581I think this window is open right now.我觉得这窗户现在打开了
582I think a lot of people haven't built the machine.我认为很多人还没有建造机器。
583I wanted to give you the sauce so that you can我想给你酱汁 这样你就可以
584internalize it, so you can process it, so you can get your hands dirty around building some内化它,你可以处理它, 这样你就可以得到你的手脏 周围建造一些
585of these agents, some of these marketing agents because it's all about increasing your这些代理商,一些这些营销代理商 因为这一切都是为了增加你的
586probability of success when it comes to building your own startup.在构建自己的启动时成功的可能性。
587I thought that, hey, if you can get a promotion, if you can have more fun being an employee我想,嘿,如果你能升职, 如果你能更有趣 作为一个员工
588working within an organization, why not do this?在组织内工作,为什么不这样做?
589I hope this has been helpful.我希望这有帮助。
590Obviously, I could have gone deeper in so many parts of this episode.显然,我本可以更深入地了解这集的很多部分。
591There just wasn't enough只是还不够
592time, but do let me know what you want me to go deeper in.时间,但请告诉我 你要我更深入。
593Is it the grokbot part?是杂货店吗?
594Is it是吗?
595the markdown files, skills?减记文件,技能?
596You let me know.你告诉我。
597I live to serve.我活着是为了服务。
598I'm here to just give that我是来给你的
599information to you.信息给你。
600Hopefully, you enjoy it.希望你喜欢它。
601Hopefully, it gets your creative juices flowing.希望它能让你的创造力流畅
602If you haven't liked, commented, subscribed at this point, I don't know what you're doing.如果你不喜欢,评论,订阅 在这一点上,我不知道你在做什么。
603Hook it up.钩上它。
604You're hooking yourself up.汝当自缚.
605You're getting more quality content in your feed,你在你的饲料中得到了更多的质量内容,
606less slop.少废话
607Thank you for giving me your time.谢谢你给我时间
608Hope it's been helpful, and I'll see you next time.希望有帮助 下次见
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