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| 0:04 | I was very struck by Paul Johnson's article in The Times the other day, in his position | 我对保罗·约翰逊前几天 在《泰晤士报》上发表的文章很感动 |
| 0:10 | as former leader of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, in which he said we have an entirely | 作为财政研究所前领导人,他说我们有一个完全 |
| 0:16 | illusory debate about tax and spend, in which there are calls from a substantial number | 关于税收和开支的虚幻辩论,其中有大量人呼吁 |
| 0:22 | of newspapers and at least one political party for tax cuts, but nobody ever says where they | 报纸和至少一个政党 减税, 但从来没有人说在哪里 |
| 0:28 | will fall or what our spending priorities are. | 将下降或是什么 我们的支出优先事项。 |
| 0:31 | This Government have made the commitment | 该政府作出了承诺: |
| 0:33 | to raise our defence spending by over 1% of GDP. | 将国防开支提高1%以上。 |
| 0:39 | I assume that all the major parties support | 我想,所有主要政党都支持 |
| 0:44 | that. | 那个 |
| 0:45 | That means that tax rises are likelier than tax cuts, unless there are very severe | 也就是说,增税比减税要好,除非有非常严重的 |
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| 1 | I was very struck by Paul Johnson's article in The Times the other day, in his position | 我对保罗·约翰逊前几天 在《泰晤士报》上发表的文章很感动 |
| 2 | as former leader of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, in which he said we have an entirely | 作为财政研究所前领导人,他说我们有一个完全 |
| 3 | illusory debate about tax and spend, in which there are calls from a substantial number | 关于税收和开支的虚幻辩论,其中有大量人呼吁 |
| 4 | of newspapers and at least one political party for tax cuts, but nobody ever says where they | 报纸和至少一个政党 减税, 但从来没有人说在哪里 |
| 5 | will fall or what our spending priorities are. | 将下降或是什么 我们的支出优先事项。 |
| 6 | This Government have made the commitment | 该政府作出了承诺: |
| 7 | to raise our defence spending by over 1% of GDP. | 将国防开支提高1%以上。 |
| 8 | I assume that all the major parties support | 我想,所有主要政党都支持 |
| 9 | that. | 那个 |
| 10 | That means that tax rises are likelier than tax cuts, unless there are very severe | 也就是说,增税比减税要好,除非有非常严重的 |
| 11 | cuts elsewhere, for example in pensions. | 在其他地方削减,例如养老金。 |
| 12 | Could there not be some attempt by the Government | 政府会不会有所企图? |
| 13 | to have an agreement among the parties that, in discussing taxes rising and falling, we | 双方达成协议,在讨论增减税时,我们 |
| 14 | discuss at the same time what spending priorities are and what cuts may necessarily be possible? | 同时讨论哪些支出优先事项以及哪些削减是必然可能的? |
| 15 | The Government in the spending view set out their spending plans. | 政府在支出方面提出了支出计划。 |
| 16 | They set out a fully | 他们全副武装 |
| 17 | funded path to spending 2.6% of GDP on defence, and we have an ambition to increase that to | 资金支持的国防开支占国内生产总值的2.6%,我们有希望增加国防开支。 |
| 18 | 3% in the next Parliament, as he knows. | 他知道,在下届议会占3% |
| 19 | However, I am not going to speculate on the next Budget | 不过,我不打算猜测下一个预算 |
| 20 | now. | 现在 |
| 21 | As I have said already, there will be an OBR forecast in the autumn for the annual | 正如我已经说过的,每年秋季将有OBR预测。 |
| 22 | Budget, and we will make decisions based on that forecast in the usual way. | 预算,我们将以通常的方式根据这一预测作出决定。 |
| 23 | I thank the Minister for that answer. | 我感谢部长的答复。 |
| 24 | It is very clear, following recent events, that | 在最近发生的事件之后,非常明显的是, |
| 25 | this Government are not going to make any meaningful reform of the welfare system and | 政府不会对福利制度进行任何有意义的改革; |
| 26 | save any money, despite saying the system is broken. | 尽管说系统坏了 但还是省省钱 |
| 27 | It is not going to touch its existing | 它不会触及它现有的 |
| 28 | spending plans, it said, so that means that tax rises are coming, as we predicted. | 它说,支出计划,所以意味着税收将如我们所预测的那样上升。 |
| 29 | The Chancellor said in her Budget speech that it was the Government's policy that it was | 总理在预算演说中说,政府的政策是: |
| 30 | not going to freeze tax thresholds any longer from 28-29, because that would hurt working | 28-29年不再冻结税收门槛,因为这会伤害工作 |
| 31 | people. | 人们 |
| 32 | She said it was the Government's policy that from 28-29 thresholds will continue | 她说,政府的政策是,在28-29年的门槛线上继续 |
| 33 | to be uprated. | 被提升。 |
| 34 | Just to be clear, I am not asking the Minister to write future Budgets | 老实说,我不是要部长写未来的预算 |
| 35 | today. | 今时. |
| 36 | I am simply asking him, can he stand at that Dispatch Box and repeat that those | 我只是问他,他能不能站在那个调度箱里 重复一遍,那些... |
| 37 | words of the Chancellor remain the Government's policy? | 总理的话仍然是政府的政策? |
| 38 | The noble Lord is absolutely correct to say that there are financial consequences to the | 尊贵的上帝绝对正确 说有经济后果 |
| 39 | decisions that have been taken, but he will not be surprised to know that I am not going | 已经做出的决定, 但他不会惊讶地知道我不会去 |
| 40 | to speculate on the next Budget now. | 来推测下一个预算 |
| 41 | We will do things in the usual way. | 我们会照常办事 |
| 42 | The Chancellor | 总理 |
| 43 | will ask the OBR to produce a new forecast in the autumn for the annual Budget. | 将在秋季为年度预算提出新的预测。 |
| 44 | She will | 她会的 |
| 45 | take decisions based on that forecast, and we will set out our fiscal plans at the Budget | 根据这一预测作出决定,我们将在预算中提出我们的财政计划。 |
| 46 | in the usual way. | 照惯例 |
| 47 | My Lords, in our discussions of tax and spend, we very rarely address the third pillar, which | 大人,在讨论税收和开支时,我们很少谈到第三个支柱,即 |
| 48 | is the state of the gilts market. | 是 gi市场的状况。 |
| 49 | The Minister has taken it back, as I was, to read from | 部长已经收回它,像我一样, 读从 |
| 50 | the OBR report that at the end of June the UK 10-year bond yield was at the third-highest | 英国银行报告说,截至6月底,联合王国10年债券收益率位居第三 |
| 51 | borrowing cost of any advanced economy except for New Zealand and Iceland, and that with | 除新西兰和冰岛外,任何先进经济体的借贷成本,以及 |
| 52 | the withdrawal of pension funds from demanding treasuries as we come to the end of defined | 退休基金从苛刻的国库中提款 |
| 53 | benefit plans, there seems to be no plan in place to expand the investor base. | 利益计划,似乎没有扩大投资者基础的计划. |
| 54 | The United | 联合国 |
| 55 | States is using stablecoin as a way to increase the appetite to take up US treasuries. | 各国正在使用稳定币作为增加美国国库的胃口的一种方式。 |
| 56 | Are | 对 |
| 57 | there any strategies that the UK Government are pursuing, because this is essential? | 联合王国政府正在采取的任何战略,因为这是至关重要的? |
| 58 | The noble Baroness will know that I will not be commenting on specific financial market | 尊贵的男爵夫人会知道我不会评论 具体的金融市场 |
| 59 | movements, but in terms of what she asks about stablecoin, if it is okay I will write to | 动静,但从她问的关于马力币, 如果可以的话,我会写信给 |
| 60 | her and come back to her. | 回到她身边 |
| 61 | My Lords, we have just heard that the benefits system is broken. | 大人,我们刚刚听说福利制度被打破了 |
| 62 | Can you remind us who broke | 你能提醒我们谁破产了 |
| 63 | the system? | 系统? |
| 64 | Is this not a case of just Osbyn having to clear up the mess that they left? | 难道这不是奥斯宾不得不清理他们留下的烂摊子吗? |
| 65 | My noble friend is absolutely right to point out the mess that we inherited and why so | 我高贵的朋友非常正确地指出 我们继承的烂摊子和为什么 |
| 66 | many of the difficult decisions that we have had to be taken had to be taken. | 我们必须作出许多困难的决定。 |
| 67 | He is absolutely | 他是绝对的 |
| 68 | right to point to the mess they left us in terms of the welfare system, where I think | 右指他们给我们留下的混乱 在福利制度,我认为 |
| 69 | we had the highest proportion of people out of work not working, the only country where | 我们的失业人口比例最高 不工作, 唯一的国家 |
| 70 | worklessness had not returned to where it was pre-pandemic in the G7. | 7国集团没有恢复失业状态。 |
| 71 | Obviously, there | 很明显,那里 |
| 72 | was a mess in the public finances that we had to clear up and that is why, as he rightly | 我们不得不清理公共财政的混乱,这就是为什么,正如他正确指出的那样 |
| 73 | says, there are so many difficult decisions that we have had to take. | 说,我们不得不做出许多艰难的决定。 |
| 74 | The noble Lord, the Minister, seems to have forgotten that the cost of servicing debt | 尊贵的领主,大臣 似乎忘记了还债的代价 |
| 75 | – he has just given an answer to his noble friend – the cost of servicing debt is higher | 他刚刚回答他的贵族朋友 偿还债务的成本更高 |
| 76 | now than it was at the worst time in the last Conservative Government. | 现在比上届保守党政府最糟糕的时候还要糟糕 |
| 77 | Surely, he must | 当然,他必须 |
| 78 | take responsibility. | 承担责任。 |
| 79 | His Government have been in power for a year. | 他的政府执政已有一年。 |
| 80 | Does the noble Baroness think the UK has such a high stock of debt? | 尊贵的男爵夫人认为英国债台高筑吗? |
| 81 | Is it because her Government | 是因为她的政府 |
| 82 | doubled the national debt? | 国债翻了一番? |
| 83 | Yes, it is. | 没错 |
| 84 | The noble Lord, the Minister, has just said that the Government have an ambition to raise | 尊贵的领主,大臣,刚才说,政府有野心提高 |
| 85 | spending to 3% of GDP in the next Parliament. | 在下届议会中,开支达到国内生产总值的3%。 |
| 86 | My understanding is that the Prime Minister | 我的理解是,总理 |
| 87 | has committed the UK to increasing it to 3.5% by 2035. | 联合王国承诺到2035年将其提高到3.5%。 |
| 88 | Could he clarify, please? | 他能澄清一下吗? |
| 89 | Yes, 3% in the next Parliament. | 是的,在下届议会的3%。 |
| 90 | I think those commitments are for the Parliament after next. | 我认为,这些承诺是在议会以后作出的。 |
| 91 | With rather delicate timing, the OBR published their fiscal risks and sustainability report | 在相当微妙的时间内,银行业银行发表了其财政风险和可持续性报告 |
| 92 | on Tuesday, and they used the word daunting for the outlook for our fiscal sustainability. | 他们用“令人生畏”一词来形容我们财政可持续性的前景。 |
| 93 | In their report, they expect health-related outflows to fall a little towards the levels | 在他们的报告中,他们预计与健康有关的外流将略微下降到水平。 |
| 94 | of a few years ago. | 几年前的一次调查 |
| 95 | Perhaps the Minister could share with us how the Government will explain | 或许部长可以跟我们分享一下政府会如何解释 |
| 96 | the outlook for personal independence payments to the OBR and explain how that will be positioned. | 说明个人独立向OBR付款的前景,并解释这将如何定位。 |
| 97 | The OBR are aware of the Government's policy. | 平等机会办公室了解政府的政策。 |
| 98 | It is for the OBR to certify the costings | 开销由银行负责 |
| 99 | of that policy in their next forecast. | 在其下一次预测中, |
| 100 | As I have said already, we will ask them for that | 正如我已经说过的,我们将要求他们这样做 |
| 101 | forecast in time for the annual Budget, and we will make decisions based on that forecast. | 我们将根据这一预测作出决定。 |
| 102 | This seems to be a free-for-all on putting forward our own economic theories. | 这似乎是一个免费的 提出我们自己的经济理论。 |
| 103 | Could we | 我们可以 |
| 104 | discussion of tax cuts and tax rises and instead look at tax simplification? | 讨论减税和增税,而考虑简化税制? |
| 105 | There is an excellent | 有一个优秀的 |
| 106 | article in this week's New Statesman, a magazine that I read assiduously every week, | 这个星期的"新政治家"里的文章 我每星期都认真读的一本杂志 |
| 107 | which regurgitates the excellent work by Paul Johnson, already mentioned, pointing out that | 它重温了保罗·约翰逊的出色工作,已经提到,指出 |
| 108 | we have one of the longest tax codes in the world. | 我们有世界上最长的税法之一 |
| 109 | George Osborne被糕点税取消了 | |
| 110 | Surely this Minister can see to it that we can tax an ice cream cone properly and really simplify | 这位部长一定能保证 我们可以对冰淇淋锥子征税 并真正简化 |
| 111 | our taxes, which would have a huge impact on business confidence. | 我们的税收, 这将对商业信心产生巨大影响。 |
| 112 | I am grateful to the noble Lord for his question. | 感谢尊者问讯. |
| 113 | It is not for me to ban conversations about | 我不应该禁止谈论 |
| 114 | tax rises or tax cuts. | 提高税率或减税。 |
| 115 | I understand what he says about tax simplification. | 我理解他所说的简化税收 |
| 116 | I will take | 我来 |
| 117 | his thoughts about ice cream cones back to my colleagues in the Treasury. | 他对冰激凌的念头回到了财政部的同事 |
| 118 | Is it not the case that we have a very serious long-term question here? | 我们这里是否有一个非常严重的长期问题? |
| 119 | It is not just a | 这不仅仅是一个 |
| 120 | question of what the Chancellor is going to do in the next year. | 关于总理明年要做什么的问题。 |
| 121 | We do have underlying | 我们确实有基础 |
| 122 | pressures on defence, on demography. | 国防和人口压力。 |
| 123 | On top of that, we have the reforms that the previous | 除此之外,我们还有以前的改革 |
| 124 | Government introduced on disabilities and on SEND in schools, which have led to rocketing | 政府对残疾和学校中的 " SEND " 进行了介绍,这导致了 " 火箭 " |
| 125 | bills that at some stage have to be done about. | 在某个阶段必须完成的法案。 |
| 126 | Will the Government therefore not engage in | 因此,政府是否将不参与 |
| 127 | a long-term debate about how we finance the welfare state that most of the British population | 关于我们如何资助大多数英国人的福利国家的长期辩论 |
| 128 | are very strongly adhered to? | 是否严格遵守? |
| 129 | My noble friend is absolutely right to point out that there are the long-standing and long-term | 我的贵族朋友非常正确地指出,有长期和长期的 |
| 130 | challenges that we face in terms of fiscal policy. | 我们面临的财政政策挑战。 |
| 131 | As the noble Lord said, the OBR fiscal | 如尊者所说,OBR财政 |
| 132 | risk report set out some long-standing economic realities in its report this week. | 风险报告在本周的报告中阐述了一些长期的经济现实。 |
| 133 | That is why | 这就是为什么 |
| 134 | it is so important that we are committed to ensuring stability in the economy through | 如此重要,我们承诺通过下列方式确保经济稳定: |
| 135 | our fiscal rules. | 我们的财政规则。 |
| 136 | My noble friend mentions special educational needs. | 我尊敬的朋友提到了特殊的教育需要。 |
| 137 | He is absolutely | 他是绝对的 |
| 138 | right that the system right now is not working. | 系统现在不起作用 |
| 139 | Less than half of education, care and health | 不到一半的教育、保健和保健 |
| 140 | plans are issued within the 20-week deadline and only 22% of children with special educational | 在20周期限内发放计划,只有22%的特殊教育儿童 |
| 141 | needs are reaching the expected levels in maths and English. | 需求正在达到数学和英语的预期水平。 |
| 142 | We absolutely need to deliver better | 我们绝对需要做得更好 |
| 143 | support for vulnerable children and their parents, which is why we will set out wider plans for SEND | 因此,我们将为SEND制定更广泛的计划。 |
| 144 | reform later this year as part of the upcoming schools white paper. | 今年晚些时候作为即将出版的学校白皮书的一部分进行改革。 |
| 145 | In terms of the longer-term | 就长期而言 |
| 146 | debate that my noble friend talks about, I am always more than happy to discuss those issues with | 我非常乐意与我尊敬的朋友讨论这些问题。 |
| 147 | my noble friend. | 我的贵族朋友 |
| 148 | Does the Minister accept that there is a point when higher tax rates lead to | 部长是否承认,有一点是,提高税率导致 |
| 149 | lower Government revenues? | 政府收入减少? |
| 150 | We heard an example from my noble friend Lord Lee in the last question he | 我们听到一个例子 从我的贵族朋友 李勋爵在最后一个问题 |
| 151 | dealt with about non-doms provoking some companies to change their domicile or their listing. | 涉及不强迫一些公司改变住所或上市的问题。 |
| 152 | There | 那边 |
| 153 | will come a point when it causes people to retire early or to emigrate or to work differently. | 当它导致人们提前退休或移民或不同工作时,就会出现这种情况。 |
| 154 | If he does accept that there is such a point, how close does he think we have got to it? | 如果他真的承认有这样的观点,那么他认为我们离它有多近? |
| 155 | Well the noble Lord is just talking about the revenue maximisation point and we've passed that | 高贵的领主只是谈论 收入最大化点 我们已经通过了 |
| 156 | for example in tobacco taxes and that's a deliberate government policy so of course that | 例如烟草税,这是政府精心制定的政策 所以当然 |
| 157 | exists. | 已存在。 |
| 158 | I don't think that's particularly novel. | 我不认为这特别小说。 |
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