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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:04 | Prime Minister, it's your second anniversary in the job this weekend. | 首相,这是你这个周末工作两周年 |
| 0:08 | You're not going | 你不会去的 |
| 0:09 | to have a third anniversary. | 庆祝三周年 |
| 0:11 | When you think back to walking up that street as Prime Minister | 当你回想着走在街上当首相 |
| 0:13 | for the first time, is it a sweet memory or is it bittersweet? | 第一次,是甜蜜的记忆 还是苦甜的? |
| 0:18 | It's a very sweet memory. | 这是一个非常甜蜜的记忆。 |
| 0:20 | It was an incredible occasion. | 这是一个不可思议的时刻。 |
| 0:23 | It was the first Labour government | 这是第一个工党政府 |
| 0:26 | for 14 years. | 14年来。 |
| 0:28 | I was the Prime Minister. | 我是总理 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Prime Minister, it's your second anniversary in the job this weekend. | 首相,这是你这个周末工作两周年 |
| 2 | You're not going | 你不会去的 |
| 3 | to have a third anniversary. | 庆祝三周年 |
| 4 | When you think back to walking up that street as Prime Minister | 当你回想着走在街上当首相 |
| 5 | for the first time, is it a sweet memory or is it bittersweet? | 第一次,是甜蜜的记忆 还是苦甜的? |
| 6 | It's a very sweet memory. | 这是一个非常甜蜜的记忆。 |
| 7 | It was an incredible occasion. | 这是一个不可思议的时刻。 |
| 8 | It was the first Labour government | 这是第一个工党政府 |
| 9 | for 14 years. | 14年来。 |
| 10 | I was the Prime Minister. | 我是总理 |
| 11 | Only three Labour Prime Ministers have ever won a majority | 只有三位劳工总理获得过多数 |
| 12 | and we just won a majority. | 我们刚刚赢得多数。 |
| 13 | And so it was a joyous occasion. | 因此,这是一个快乐的时刻。 |
| 14 | It was fantastic. | 简直太棒了 |
| 15 | The street was covered | 街道被覆盖 |
| 16 | with so many people who'd worked with me on the campaign and Vic was there obviously with me and | 和这么多人合作过竞选 维克显然和我在一起 |
| 17 | we had brought our children in round the back. | 我们把孩子们带到后面 |
| 18 | We obviously never named them, never let them be | 我们显然从来没有命名他们, 从来没有让他们 |
| 19 | photographed, but they were hidden in the crowd there. | 照片,但他们藏在人群里。 |
| 20 | So it was a really fantastic occasion and | 所以这是个非常美妙的场合 |
| 21 | a very proud moment because to become Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is a huge privilege | 一个非常自豪的时刻 因为成为英国首相 是一个巨大的特权 |
| 22 | and so it was a very, very special day. | 所以这是一个非常非常特别的一天。 |
| 23 | And do you see as part of your legacy as you leave office, | 你离开办公室时,是否将你视为遗产的一部分, |
| 24 | or leave two offices I should say, as leader of the Labour Party and Prime Minister, to what extent | 或离开两个办公室 作为工党领袖和总理 |
| 25 | do you see your leadership of the Labour Party as core to your legacy? | 你觉得你对工党的领导 是你的遗产的核心吗? |
| 26 | I think it's absolutely core and you can't sort of see the last two years if you don't take into | 我认为这是绝对的核心 如果你不考虑过去两年 |
| 27 | consideration the last six years because I took over the Labour Party just after we'd lost the | 考虑过去6年 因为我接管了工党 就在我们失去 |
| 28 | 2019 election. | 2019年选举. |
| 29 | That was the worst defeat for a Labour Party since 1935 and we were politically, | 这是1935年以来工党最惨败的战绩 我们在政治上 |
| 30 | financially and morally bankrupt. | 财政和道德破产。 |
| 31 | We had the stain of antisemitism and we weren't trusted | 我们有反分裂主义的污点 我们不值得信任 |
| 32 | by the public on the economy, on defence and security and on immigration. | 公众关于经济、国防和安全以及移民问题的意见。 |
| 33 | And most people | 还有大多数人 |
| 34 | at that point said the Labour Party's finished, it'll never win again, that political parties | 这时工党说工党结束了 再也赢不了政党了 |
| 35 | have a lifespan and the Labour Party have come to the end of its lifespan. | 工党的寿命已经结束 |
| 36 | I never accepted that, | 我从来没有接受过 |
| 37 | I stepped up in April 2020 but the first task was to clean up and fix my party, | 我于2020年4月升级,但第一项任务是清理和整顿我的党, |
| 38 | to tear out antisemitism, to turn and make it face the country, to take the hands and the grip of | 撕裂反分裂主义, 转身和使它面对国家, 牵着双手和握住 |
| 39 | my predecessors off every lever in the Labour Party. | 我的前任在工党的每一个杠杆。 |
| 40 | This was hard and bloody work to change | 这是艰难和血腥的工作 改变 |
| 41 | our party, to make the party face the electorate and face the country. | 我们的党 让党面对选民 面对国家 |
| 42 | And even then people said, | 即使当时人们说, |
| 43 | well you seem to be changing the Labour Party but it's not possible for Labour to win an election | 看来你正在改变工党 但工党不可能赢得选举 |
| 44 | within five years of such a bad defeat. | 在五年内, 如此糟糕的失败。 |
| 45 | But we did it, we fought hard and we went from | 但我们做到了,我们奋力战斗,我们从 |
| 46 | the lowest of low bases to a general election victory in 2024. | 2024年大选胜利的最低基础 |
| 47 | And I say, you know, Labour | 我说,你知道,工党 |
| 48 | doesn't win that often, often enough and we've only ever won three majorities and we won a | 我们只赢得过三次多数 |
| 49 | majority in 2024 and therefore 1945, 1997 and 2024 go down as three of the most successful | 1945年、1997年和2024年是三个最成功的 |
| 50 | elections in the history of the Labour Party. | 工党历史上的选举。 |
| 51 | So you're clear you've been a success as Labour leader, | 所以你很清楚 你作为工党领袖是成功的 |
| 52 | have you been a success as Prime Minister? | 你当总理成功了吗? |
| 53 | Well the test of that I think has to be, | 嗯,测试,我认为必须是, |
| 54 | is the country in a better state now than it was when I inherited it two years ago? | 这个国家现在比两年前我继承它的时候还好吗? |
| 55 | And you think | 你觉得 |
| 56 | it is? | 是吗? |
| 57 | Oh if you look across the big ticket items that really matter, the economy was broken when | 哦,如果你看看那些重要的大票项, 经济崩溃了,当 |
| 58 | we came in, it was the aftermath of Liz Truss and we have turned that around and stabilised the | 我们进来了,这是丽兹·特鲁斯的后遗症 我们扭转了局面,稳定了 |
| 59 | economy to a point now where we're the fastest growing economy in the G7, where we've been able | 经济到现在,我们是七国集团中 增长最快的经济 |
| 60 | to stabilise even during a period of conflict in the Iran war, we're a leader on AI etc. | 即使是在伊朗战争冲突期间 我们也是AI的领袖 |
| 61 | If you look | 如果你看着 |
| 62 | at our public services, in particular the NHS, they were on their knees when we came in two years | 在我们的公共服务部门,特别是国民保健制度, 他们跪在了他们的膝盖 当我们两年后来到 |
| 63 | ago. | 刚才 |
| 64 | Now we've picked them up, invested in our public services and in recent weeks we've seen the | 现在我们接了他们 投入了我们的公共服务 最近几周我们看到了 |
| 65 | biggest fall in NHS waiting lists in 17 years. | 17年来NHS的等候名单中最大的下降。 |
| 66 | If you look at issues like child poverty, where | 如果你看的问题 像儿童贫困,在哪里 |
| 67 | in two years we've taken the steps that will lift half a million children out of poverty and have | 两年后,我们采取了措施,使50万儿童摆脱贫困, |
| 68 | a lasting impact on their lives. | 对他们的生活产生持久影响。 |
| 69 | If you look at defence and security, where we've had two big | 如果你看看国防和安保 我们有两个大 |
| 70 | uplifts in defence spending, but we've done more than that. | 国防开支的上升, 但我们做了更多。 |
| 71 | We are now leading coalitions in Ukraine, | 我们现在在乌克兰领导联盟, |
| 72 | it's France, Germany and the United Kingdom leading there. | 是法国,德国和英国 |
| 73 | In the Strait of Hormuz it's France and | 在霍尔木兹海峡是法国 |
| 74 | the United Kingdom, strategic decisions with other countries. | • 与其他国家作出战略决定。 |
| 75 | And then if you look at our international | 然后如果你看看我们的国际 |
| 76 | reputation, which frankly was in tatters two years ago, we are in such a better position now as a | 坦率地说,两年前我们名声扫地,我们现在处于一个更好的地位。 |
| 77 | trusted partner, not just across the EU but much more widely, where once again people are looking | 值得信赖的伙伴,不仅在整个欧盟,而且更加广泛, 在那里人们再次寻找 |
| 78 | to the United Kingdom for leadership. | 向联合王国提供领导。 |
| 79 | So why have MPs got rid of you? | 那为什么议员们要除掉你? |
| 80 | If you aren't, you know, to | 如果你没有,你知道, |
| 81 | answer that question, are we in a better position? | 回答这个问题,我们是否处于更好的位置? |
| 82 | Then yes we are and that's right and I'm proud of | 是的,我们是,这是正确的,我感到自豪 |
| 83 | that, it is right that I do. | 这是正确的,我做的。 |
| 84 | But it must make it extra confusing for you even, that your colleagues | 但是这一定让你更困惑 你的同事们 |
| 85 | have said thanks but no more. | 已经说谢谢了,但是没有了。 |
| 86 | No, the way I've analysed that, and look it's not a decision I | 不,我分析的方式, 看起来这不是一个决定I |
| 87 | wanted to make, I'm not going to pretend otherwise, I didn't want to be in this position, | 想要做,我不会假装 否则,我不想在这个位置, |
| 88 | but the way I've looked at it is this. | 但我看的就是这个 |
| 89 | The question being asked now is not who was the best person | 现在被问到的问题不是谁是最好的人 |
| 90 | to save the Labour Party and turn it around. | 拯救工党并扭转局面 |
| 91 | I've answered that question pretty comprehensively. | 我非常全面地回答了这个问题。 |
| 92 | It's not who's the best person to lead us to a landslide Labour victory, I've answered that | 这不是谁是最好的人 带领我们走向滑坡 劳动胜利,我已经回答 |
| 93 | question pretty comprehensively. | 问题相当全面。 |
| 94 | The question my colleagues in the parliamentary party are asking | 我在议会党的同事们提出的问题 |
| 95 | now is, am I the right person to take us into the next election? | 现在,我是不是合适的人 带我们参加下一次选举? |
| 96 | And they've answered that question. | 他们已经回答了这个问题。 |
| 97 | You think their answer is wrong still? | 你觉得他们的回答还是错了吗? |
| 98 | Look, they've answered that question and I accept that answer | 你看,他们已经回答了这个问题 我接受这个答案 |
| 99 | and I accept it in good grace and this is really important to me because I really care that there's | 对我很重要 因为我真的很在乎 |
| 100 | a Labour government, I really care that a Labour government succeeds because I want our country to | 工党政府,我真的在乎 一个工党政府的成功,因为我希望我们的国家 |
| 101 | succeed and therefore yes, that's the answer they've given. | 成功,所以是的,这是他们给出的答案。 |
| 102 | I accept that in good grace and | 我接受,在善意和 |
| 103 | what I want to do now is to make sure that whatever comes next is a success and so I'm doing | 我现在想做的是 确保接下来的一切成功 所以我在做 |
| 104 | everything I can in the remaining time I've got to make sure that there's an orderly transition, | 在剩下的时间里,我必须保证有秩序的转变, |
| 105 | that everything is there to ensure there's a stronger foundation as can possibly be for my | 保证有更牢固的基础 可能是我的 |
| 106 | successor so that what we've achieved so far can be built on and I believe it can because | 接班人,这样我们迄今取得的成就 就可以建立在基础上,我相信它可以因为 |
| 107 | the next Prime Minister will inherit a stable economy of good public services or improving | 下一任总理将继承良好公共服务的稳定经济或改善经济; |
| 108 | public services, a big majority. | 公共服务,占绝大多数。 |
| 109 | But it's unstable, the economy having to have a new Chancellor, | 但情况很不稳定 经济必须有一位新总理 |
| 110 | a new leader. | 一个新的领导者。 |
| 111 | Hear me out and therefore my successor will have a platform to build on | 听着,我的继任者 将有一个平台来发展 |
| 112 | which means that Labour can go on and should go on to win the next election and that's what I'm | 这意味着工党可以继续 并且应该继续 赢得下一次选举 这就是我 |
| 113 | trying to make sure I'm able to do over the next few days to serve my country and to make sure that | 试图确保我有能力 在接下来的几天里做 为我的国家和确保 |
| 114 | I bow out. | 我低头了。 |
| 115 | It's the end of my journey in politics, I'm very clear about that. | 我的政治旅程已经结束,我对此非常清楚. |
| 116 | I've said to all my | 我对所有人说过 |
| 117 | colleagues it's not the end of their journey and it's very important we all do what we can to make | 同事们,这不是他们的旅程的结束, 非常重要的是,我们都尽我们所能 |
| 118 | sure what comes next is a success and that's what I will do. | 接下来会有什么成功 那就是我要做的 |
| 119 | Well let's talk about the shape of what | 好吧,让我们谈谈什么的形状 |
| 120 | comes next because you were very clear just then that you see your work on the global stage as a | 接下来是因为你刚才非常清楚 你把你在全球舞台上的工作看作是一个 |
| 121 | core part of your legacy. | 你遗产的核心部分 |
| 122 | You talk about rebuilding alliances that were shredded | 你说重建被粉碎的联盟 |
| 123 | when you came into office. | 你上任时 |
| 124 | Do you not worry that a new Prime Minister takes a bit of that back to | 你不用担心新首相会拿回一点 |
| 125 | this discussion? | 这个讨论? |
| 126 | What's the right balance between dealing with international affairs and dealing | 处理国际事务和处理 |
| 127 | with domestic affairs? | 与内政? |
| 128 | They're one and the same thing and it is in the best interests of our | 他们是同一件事 符合我们的最佳利益 |
| 129 | country to be able to lead on the international stage. | 在国际舞台上发挥领导作用的国家。 |
| 130 | Just give you two or three examples of | 只要给你两三个例子 |
| 131 | that. | 那个 |
| 132 | The biggest impact on the cost of living therefore on the household income and living | 因此,对生活费用的最大影响是家庭收入和生活。 |
| 133 | standards of everybody in the country, the biggest impact in the last few years has been on the one | 过去几年来最大的影响是: |
| 134 | the Ukraine conflict, on the other the Iran conflict that's going on at the moment and the | 乌克兰冲突,另一方面,伊朗冲突正在发生, |
| 135 | straight off her moves and therefore if you're Prime Minister and you care what bills are going | 直接关闭她的动作,因此如果你是总理, 你关心什么法案去 |
| 136 | to be like in any household around the country you have to care about finding a lasting solution to | 和全国任何一家人一样 你要关心找到一个长久的解决方案 |
| 137 | the situation in Ukraine. | 乌克兰局势。 |
| 138 | You have to care about what happens in the straight off her moves and | 你一定要在乎她一动不动会怎样 |
| 139 | that's why I am proud that when other countries have looked to the sort of group of countries | 这就是为什么我感到自豪的是,当其他国家 已经看一类国家 |
| 140 | that's needed to work on these they've looked to the UK and to France and Germany for the work on | 他们期待英国、法国和德国在 |
| 141 | Ukraine in particular the coalition of the willing and they've looked again to France and the UK when | 乌克兰,特别是自愿者的联盟 他们再次仰望法国和英国 |
| 142 | it comes to the work that needs to be done on reassurance in the straight off her moves and | 来谈谈需要完成的工作 以保证她的动作 |
| 143 | I am proud of the fact that the UK is now regarded as a leader, a country that others look to and | 我感到骄傲的是,联合王国现在被视为一个领导人,一个其他国家所期待和期待的国家。 |
| 144 | want to engage with and that is in our best interest here at home. | 想要与我们接触,这符合我们在家里的最大利益。 |
| 145 | It's not sensible to | 这不明智 |
| 146 | think you can just separate these two things out. | 你可以把这两件事分开 |
| 147 | Because there are those in your party and you | 因为派对里有你和你 |
| 148 | probably know this who think that the next Prime Minister could spend less time on diplomacy than | 也许知道这个认为 下一任总理在外交上花费的时间比 |
| 149 | you have. | 你曾经是 |
| 150 | You're saying pretty clearly that's not possible. | 你说得很清楚 这不可能 |
| 151 | No I don't think it is possible and I've | 不,我不认为这是可能的,我已经 |
| 152 | given you the example of Ukraine and the straight off her moves. | 以乌克兰为例,并立即行动。 |
| 153 | I can give you plenty of other | 我可以给你很多其他的 |
| 154 | examples. | 实例。 |
| 155 | The deal we did with the US that safeguarded all the jobs at JLR up in the | 我们与美国的交易 维护了JLR的所有工作 |
| 156 | Midlands. | 中间地带. |
| 157 | It's integral to the domestic picture. | 与国内的画面密不可分. |
| 158 | Before we did that deal I went to see the workforce | 在做那笔交易之前 我去找了员工 |
| 159 | and looked them in the eyes. | 看着他们的眼睛 |
| 160 | They were really worried because of the threatened tariffs that | 他们真的很担心 因为关税受到威胁 |
| 161 | they were going to lose their jobs and I went back to them. | 他们要丢掉工作 我回去找他们 |
| 162 | Immediately we did the deal with | 我们马上做了交易 |
| 163 | and they were so relieved because they knew for them, their families, their communities it was a | 他们感到宽慰,因为他们知道 他们的家人,他们的社区 |
| 164 | massive deal. | 大规模交易。 |
| 165 | So this suggestion you can really in the modern era simply split up international | 因此,这个建议,你可以真的 在现代 只是分裂国际 |
| 166 | domestic is just it just doesn't make sense. | 家庭是只是 它只是没有道理。 |
| 167 | It isn't true, it isn't right. | 这不是真的,这是不对的。 |
| 168 | Do you ever think the | 你有没有想过 |
| 169 | job's too much for one person? | 一个人的工作太重了? |
| 170 | No it's obviously you need a strong team around you, you need a good | 不,很明显你需要一支强壮的队伍 需要一支好队伍 |
| 171 | cabinet team, you need a good strong team here in number 10. | 内阁小组 10号需要一支强大的队伍 |
| 172 | So there's a lot of support that goes | 所以,有很多的支持 |
| 173 | in but in the end I think particularly for the Prime Minister working very closely with the | 但最终我认为,对于总理来说,我尤其认为,他非常密切地与安全理事会密切合作。 |
| 174 | Chancellor that is where sort of key decisions have to be made, priorities have to be decided | 总理必须作出某种关键决定,必须确定优先事项。 |
| 175 | and you know trade-offs have to be taken. | 你知道必须权衡 |
| 176 | The same trade-offs for your successor as you've | 和你的继任者一样 |
| 177 | faced? | 面对? |
| 178 | Yeah look whoever's my successor is going to face the same global conflict. | 是啊,看看谁是我的继任者 要面对同样的全球冲突。 |
| 179 | We're in the | 我们到了 |
| 180 | you know we keep saying and it's true we're in a more dangerous and volatile world than we've been | 你知道我们一直说,这是真的 我们在一个比过去更危险和动荡的世界 |
| 181 | for probably most of my lifetime. | 我一生中的大部分时间 |
| 182 | That's not just a phrase, that's reality, that's not going to change | 这不仅仅是一个短语, 这是现实,那不会改变 |
| 183 | and the domestic challenges aren't going to change and as Prime Minister you have to take | 作为总理 你必须接受 |
| 184 | very many decisions every single day and none are easy but everybody understands that that's | 每天都有许多决定,没有决定是容易的 但是每个人都明白 |
| 185 | the role of the Prime Minister and you know it is a really you know important | 总理的角色 你知道这是你真正知道的重要 |
| 186 | role sitting alongside the great privilege of actually being the Prime Minister of the United | 担任联合国总理的特权 |
| 187 | Kingdom. | 王国. |
| 188 | I think even Larry the Cat knows that your successor is going to be Andy Burnham | 我想连猫拉里都知道 你的继任者是安迪·伯纳姆 |
| 189 | and you've done something quite unusual, I can't remember you doing about other people in the past | 你做了一件不寻常的事 我不记得你过去对别人做过的事了 |
| 190 | which is you've mocked him. | 这就是你嘲笑他。 |
| 191 | I remember an event in 2022 just after the World Cup final, the last | 我记得2022年世界杯决赛刚过 最后一次 |
| 192 | World Cup, I'll just read you a bit of what you said. | 世界杯,我只读你说的话 |
| 193 | He said Andy got to see his boyhood team | 他说安迪要见他的童年球队 |
| 194 | Argentina win the World Cup, it was a mixed bag because he also got to see his boyhood team France | 阿根廷赢得了世界杯,这是一个混合袋 因为他也看到了他的童年球队法国 |
| 195 | lose the final and his boyhood teams Morocco and Croatia losing the semis. | 失去决赛,他的童年球队摩洛哥和克罗地亚失去半决赛. |
| 196 | You're smiling, you think | 你在笑,你觉得 |
| 197 | this is still funny, I mean what did you mean by that? | 这仍然很有趣, 我的意思是你是什么意思? |
| 198 | Well look I think this was a Christmas | 你看,我想这是圣诞节 |
| 199 | speech to the journalist. | 对记者的演讲。 |
| 200 | It was, that's why I remember it. | 没错,所以我记得 |
| 201 | It's intended to be very light-hearted | 它的本意是非常轻心 |
| 202 | etc but let me give you another side of my relationship with Andy which I think is really | 但是让我给你另一个方面 我和安迪的关系 我认为这真的 |
| 203 | important because we've been working together for years. | 很重要,因为我们合作多年了 |
| 204 | When I first came here I came into politics | 当我第一次来到这里,我进入政治 |
| 205 | as you know late in life and we had just lost another election and the first person I wanted | 正如你所知道的 生活晚期 我们刚刚失去了另一个选举 和第一个我想要的人 |
| 206 | to work for and did work for was Andy Burnham and we worked together in the Shadow Home Office team | 我们一起在影子内政部工作过 |
| 207 | for a little while and then since he's been mayor we've been working very closely together on some | 有段时间了 自从他当市长以来 我们一直很密切地合作一些 |
| 208 | really important projects like Northern Powerhouse Rail but also you know in the aftermath of the | 真正的重要项目,如北电厂铁路... ... |
| 209 | awful attack on the synagogue up in Manchester I was on the phone to Andy straight away, it was | 在曼彻斯特对犹太教堂的可怕攻击 我马上给安迪打电话 |
| 210 | one of the first calls I made, went straight to Manchester and he and I then worked intensely | 我第一次打来电话,直接去了曼彻斯特 然后他和我紧张地工作 |
| 211 | closely together in the aftermath of that awful attack. | 在那次可怕的攻击之后,我们紧密地结合在一起。 |
| 212 | Do you like him? | 你喜欢他吗? |
| 213 | Yes I do, we've always | 是的,我们总是 |
| 214 | got on, he supports the wrong football club. | 他支持错了足球俱乐部。 |
| 215 | So do you. | 你也一样。 |
| 216 | But you know, but the ability, you know | 但是你知道,但能力,你知道 |
| 217 | we get on, I've never had any personal animosity and I wish he, if he is my successor obviously | 我们上台了,我从未有过任何个人的敌意 我希望他,如果他是我的继任者 |
| 218 | there's a little bit of process to go but I want what comes next to succeed and I'm going to do | 有个小过程要完成 但我希望接下来的事能成功 |
| 219 | everything I possibly can to make sure it does succeed and I'm going to support the government | 只要我能确保它成功 我会支持政府 |
| 220 | and what I mean by support is that any advice I give will be only given if asked for, it'll be | 我的意思是,支持 任何我的建议 只有在要求, 它会是 |
| 221 | my version of what the Prime Minister should be doing because that's my interpretation of supporting | 我对首相所应做的事的看法 因为这就是我对支持 |
| 222 | a Labour government. | a 劳工政府。 |
| 223 | Let's talk a bit about how it feels to do this job, we're here in your study, | 让我们来谈谈做这份工作的感觉, 我们在这里你的书房, |
| 224 | I'm told you come here to think alone, has it been lonely? | 我被告知你来这里单独思考 是不是很孤独? |
| 225 | No it's not lonely because you're | 不,不寂寞,因为你 |
| 226 | surrounded by teams the whole time but sometimes you do need space to just sit alone, go through | 但有时你需要空间 独自坐着 穿过 |
| 227 | difficult decisions and just slightly step outside the inevitable noise and hustle that is | 困难的决定,只是一点点 走出不可避免的噪音和匆忙 |
| 228 | always in number 10. | 总是在10号。 |
| 229 | So whether it's here in the study or whether it's actually our flat which is | 所以无论是在书房里 还是我们的公寓 |
| 230 | just over there, I do have these places where I can go and sort of just get a bit of space. | 就在那边,我确实有这些地方 我可以去, 有点地方。 |
| 231 | In the flat here where I'm with Vic and the kids, I never have work meetings in the flat so we've | 在公寓里 我和维克和孩子们在一起 我从未在公寓里开过工作会议 所以... |
| 232 | got a strict rule once you go through the front door, I'm dad not Prime Minister and it's our | 你一走前门,我就是爸爸,不是首相,这是我们的 |
| 233 | space so creating those spaces have been important to me. | 创造这些空间对我很重要 |
| 234 | And it takes a toll on the family too | 给家里也带来损失 |
| 235 | doesn't it? | 对不对? |
| 236 | Look it's been really hard for them, they've been amazing, Vic my wife has been by my | 看,对他们来说,这真的很困难, 他们一直令人惊叹,维克... ...我的妻子一直在我身边。 |
| 237 | side every single step of the way through some many many happy and joyous occasions like walking | 一边走 一边走 一边走 一边走 |
| 238 | up the street the day after we won the general election but she's been by my side every single | 我们赢得大选的第二天 她就站在我身边 |
| 239 | day when it's been tough in the same way. | 一天,它一直艰难的方式。 |
| 240 | And of course for our children we've just taken the | 当然,对于我们的孩子,我们刚刚采取了 |
| 241 | decision to protect them so we never name them, we never have photographs taken of them. | 我们从不给它们取名 我们从不给他们拍照 |
| 242 | That | 那个 |
| 243 | is unusual for them you know they're teenagers. | 对他们来说很不寻常 你知道他们是青少年 |
| 244 | Moving into Downing Street, my little girl was | 搬进唐宁街 我的小女孩 |
| 245 | 12, 13 and my boy was 17 and no he wasn't 17 he was 15 sorry going on 16, | 12岁 13岁 我儿子17岁 不是17岁 他15岁 |
| 246 | two years ago and to come and live in this environment was very odd for them and they've | 两年前,来到这个环境中生活 对他们来说非常奇怪 |
| 247 | been amazing but there's things I've not been able to do with them because if there's cameras there | 很神奇,但有些事我无法处理 因为如果那里有摄像头 |
| 248 | then I tend not to do it with them and therefore they've been deprived of doing some things with | 我往往不跟他们做 所以他们被剥夺了做一些事情的权利 |
| 249 | they might have otherwise been able to do but they've been fantastic. | 本来他们本可以做到的 但他们还是很棒的 |
| 250 | Your wife was by your | 你妻子在你身边 |
| 251 | side during the last few weeks which have clearly been very difficult for you. | 在过去的几周里,你非常困难。 |
| 252 | When was the moment | 什么时候 |
| 253 | that the two of you I think as a pair decided it was over? | 我想你们两个是一对 就决定结束了? |
| 254 | Well it was tough, I'm not going to | 嗯,这是艰难的,我不会 |
| 255 | pretend otherwise, really really tough as I grappled with what was the best thing to do for me, | 假装不然,真的 很难,因为我 努力什么是最好的 事情对我来说, |
| 256 | for the country, for the government and those discussions inevitably start with many discussions | 对于国家,对于政府和这些讨论 不可避免地从许多讨论开始 |
| 257 | with colleagues, with parliamentary colleagues, with the team here, with my immediate advisors, | 与同事,与议会同事, 团队在这里, 我的直属顾问, |
| 258 | with trade unions, so many people in that discussion but for me and this may be different | 与工会,这么多的人 在讨论,但对我来说,这可能不同 |
| 259 | for other people in the end it became an intensely personal decision and that's why it was a decision | 对其他人来说,它最终变成了 一个强烈的个人决定 这就是为什么这是一个决定 |
| 260 | taken ultimately when Vic and I were away with the kids we went to Checkers and just spent two days | 我和维克离开时被带走了 我们去了查克 花了两天时间 |
| 261 | together as a family and that's when I came to my final decision and it wasn't that I didn't want | 一起作为一个家庭, 那时我来到我的最后决定 而不是我不想 |
| 262 | other advice at that stage I'd had plenty of conversations but when you are taking the decision | 那个阶段我有很多话要说 但当你做决定的时候 |
| 263 | to step down from the role of Prime Minister, taking a decision that your political career is over | 不再担任总理,决定你的政治生涯已经结束 |
| 264 | it is an intensely personal matter or at least it was for me and I wanted to do that with Vic | 这件事情很私人化 或至少是针对我 我想和Vic做 |
| 265 | and that's what I did. | 这就是我所做的。 |
| 266 | And as you described earlier you came to politics later than most, | 正如你之前所描述的 你比大多数人晚来参政 |
| 267 | you've had an incredibly successful life 11 plus, two great universities, DPP at a relatively young | 你有一个令人难以置信的成功生活 11+,两个伟大的大学,DPP在一个相对年轻的 |
| 268 | age, you come to politics and I think you've said before you thought you might be Ed Miliband's | 年纪大了,你来参政 我想你已经说过了 在你认为你可能是Ed Miliband的 |
| 269 | Attorney General instead you're leader of the Labour Party within five years, Prime Minister | 5年内你就是工党领袖,总理 |
| 270 | within nine. | 九点之内 |
| 271 | It must be difficult, clearly the last two years ultimately haven't gone as you'd | 这肯定很困难,很明显,过去两年 最终没有像你那样去 |
| 272 | hoped. | 希望是这样 |
| 273 | Well the way I see it is this, I didn't come into politics in order to be Prime Minister | 在我看来,我从政不是为了当总理 |
| 274 | I came in because I wanted to be part of something would change millions of lives for the better. | 我进来是因为我想参与一些事情 会让数百万人的生活变得更好 |
| 275 | I stepped up as leader of the Labour Party after the 29 election and so the way I put it is | 29年大选后我成为工党领袖 所以我这么说 |
| 276 | the Labour Party arguably could have been lost but I stepped up as leader and with others | 工党可能已经失去 但我作为领袖 和别人一起挺身而出 |
| 277 | we saved the Labour Party, we returned it as an electoral force, won a general election | 我们拯救了工党,我们把它当作选举力量,赢得了大选 |
| 278 | and then in two years have started the important work of change and left the country in a materially | 然后在两年内开始了重要的变革工作,在物质上离开了国家 |
| 279 | better state than it was two years ago. | 比两年前还好 |
| 280 | So yes look in answer directly to your question | 所以是的 直接回答你的问题 |
| 281 | did I want it to end at this point in this way? | 我是不是想这样结束这一切? |
| 282 | No I didn't but I accept that with good grace. | 不,我没有,但我接受 以良好的恩典。 |
| 283 | As | 作为 |
| 284 | I look back am I proud of the fact that I picked the Labour Party up, turned it around, turned it | 回首往事 我为我捡起工党 转身转身而自豪 |
| 285 | back into electoral force, got rid of anti-Semitism in our party, ensured our party was | 回到了选举队伍 摆脱了本党的反犹太主义 确保了本党 |
| 286 | trusted again on the economy and on defence and on immigration and won not just a general election | 再次相信经济、国防和移民, |
| 287 | but a landslide general election and put in a shift at two years that has seen our economy | 但一场滑坡大选, 并在两年内发生了转变, |
| 288 | stabilise, our public services improve and our international standing in a completely different | 稳定下来,我们的公共服务得到改善,我们的国际地位完全不同 |
| 289 | place. | 地点。 |
| 290 | When I look when I look back on that I'm proud of what I've done and I shall exit now | 当我回头看时,我对自己所做的感到骄傲,我现在就离开 |
| 291 | having done that I shan't as I say give unwanted advice to my successor. | 已经做了,我不会像我说的那样 给我的继任者提供不必要的建议。 |
| 292 | I shall simply make sure | 我只要确认一下 |
| 293 | that I do everything I can to make sure what comes next is success and support all of my colleagues | 我尽我所能确保接下来的成功 并支持我所有的同事 |
| 294 | in that. | 在那个。 |
| 295 | I want the government to succeed, I want all my parliamentary colleagues to succeed | 我希望政府成功 我希望我所有的议会同事都成功 |
| 296 | and I've told them that and I mean it. | 我告诉他们,我是认真的。 |
| 297 | And you're going to stay as an MP? | 你要继续当国会议员吗? |
| 298 | I'm going to stay until | 我会一直待到 |
| 299 | the next election? | 下届大选? |
| 300 | Yes. | 对 |
| 301 | Do you have another big job in you? | 你有别的大工作吗? |
| 302 | Some people are talking about an | 有人说 |
| 303 | international job? | 国际工作? |
| 304 | I don't know is the honest answer to that. | 我不知道这是诚实的答案。 |
| 305 | The decision I've taken is | 我的决定是 |
| 306 | that I should focus 100% on serving my country as Prime Minister until the day I leave and then I | 我应百分之百地专注于为我国总理服务,直到我离开那天,然后我 |
| 307 | can take time to think about what might come next but I don't want to get ahead of myself, | 想想接下来会发生什么 但我不想超越自己 |
| 308 | it's a big job, it's really important and my way of dealing with these things is to say I will | 这工作很重要 我处理这些事情的方法就是说我会 |
| 309 | focus on what the job in hand is and that job in hand for me is serving my country which is an | 专注于我的工作 和我的工作 服务于我的国家 |
| 310 | incredible privilege, making sure that what comes next is a success, going with good grace | 令人难以置信的特权,确保接下来的成功, 以良好的恩典进行 |
| 311 | and then having gone keeping my mouth shut rather than giving constant advice to my successor | 而不是不断给我的继任者建议 |
| 312 | about what they should be doing. | 他们应该做什么。 |
| 313 | And if you don't want to get ahead of yourself you might not | 如果你不想超越自己,你也许不会 |
| 314 | like this final question but it's the last one. | 喜欢这个最后的问题,但它是最后一个。 |
| 315 | Your last day as Prime Minister is the day after | 你担任首相的最后一天是第二天 |
| 316 | the World Cup final. | 世界杯决赛. |
| 317 | Arsenal have won the league on your watch. | 阿森纳在你眼皮底下赢得了联赛冠军 |
| 318 | Are England going to win the World | 英国会赢得世界吗? |
| 319 | Cup? | 杯子吗? |
| 320 | Well I really hope so. | 嗯,我真的希望是这样。 |
| 321 | We've got a great squad and of course the last time we won was | 我们有一个伟大的团队 当然,上次我们赢了 |
| 322 | under a Labour government so that bodes well. | 在一个工党政府之下, |
| 323 | I don't want to do anything to disturb what might | 我不想做任何事来打扰你 |
| 324 | happen. | 发生。 |
| 325 | I mean I'm a massive England Arsenal fan and England fan. | 我的意思是我是一个大规模的英格兰 阿森纳球迷和英格兰球迷。 |
| 326 | I have watched England, | 我看着英国 |
| 327 | I don't know how many times, I've watched them back in 21 in the Eurofinals in Wembley and of | 我不知道多少次了,我在温布利的欧洲决赛 21次看他们回来 |
| 328 | penalties. | 惩罚。 |
| 329 | But I think there's good squad, resilient squad, really tough game coming up | 但我认为有好的班,有弹性的班, 真正的艰难的比赛即将来临 |
| 330 | against Mexico. | 反对墨西哥。 |
| 331 | But yes we can win it and I really hope we do. | 但是,是的,我们可以赢得它, 我真的希望我们这样做。 |
| 332 | Keir Stamer非常感谢你。 | |
| 333 | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. | 谢谢 谢谢 谢谢 谢谢 谢谢 谢谢 谢谢 谢谢 谢谢 |
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