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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:03 | I once broke into a convent and stole food from some nuns. | 我曾经闯进修道院 偷了一些修女的食物 |
| 0:08 | So if you pulled his left brain very hard, he would very elegantly collapse his front legs, his back legs. | 所以如果你把他的左脑拉得非常用力, 他会非常优雅地折断他的前腿,他的后腿。 |
| 0:15 | And unfortunately, it's like one of those, well he took me out to this little local Chinese restaurant to give me the ring. | 不幸的是,这就像其中之一, 他带我到一个小小的中国餐馆 给我戒指。 |
| 0:22 | Well it was interesting, it was also terribly sad, and that we should have fewer women MPs than we had in 1945. | 很有趣,也非常令人伤心, 女性议员应该比1945年少。 |
| 0:32 | I once broke into a convent and stole food from some nuns. | 我曾经闯进修道院 偷了一些修女的食物 |
| 0:39 | When did this happen? | 什么时候发生的? |
| 0:42 | When I was hungry, quite hungry, which was when I was young and didn't have any money. | 当我饿了,相当饿, 那时我还年轻,没有钱。 |
| 0:51 | How young? | 几岁? |
| 0:53 | 18, 19. | 18,19 (英语). |
| 0:54 | Was it just you, or was there anyone else involved? | 只有你,还是还有其他人参与? |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | I once broke into a convent and stole food from some nuns. | 我曾经闯进修道院 偷了一些修女的食物 |
| 2 | So if you pulled his left brain very hard, he would very elegantly collapse his front legs, his back legs. | 所以如果你把他的左脑拉得非常用力, 他会非常优雅地折断他的前腿,他的后腿。 |
| 3 | And unfortunately, it's like one of those, well he took me out to this little local Chinese restaurant to give me the ring. | 不幸的是,这就像其中之一, 他带我到一个小小的中国餐馆 给我戒指。 |
| 4 | Well it was interesting, it was also terribly sad, and that we should have fewer women MPs than we had in 1945. | 很有趣,也非常令人伤心, 女性议员应该比1945年少。 |
| 5 | I once broke into a convent and stole food from some nuns. | 我曾经闯进修道院 偷了一些修女的食物 |
| 6 | When did this happen? | 什么时候发生的? |
| 7 | When I was hungry, quite hungry, which was when I was young and didn't have any money. | 当我饿了,相当饿, 那时我还年轻,没有钱。 |
| 8 | How young? | 几岁? |
| 9 | 18, 19. | 18,19 (英语). |
| 10 | Was it just you, or was there anyone else involved? | 只有你,还是还有其他人参与? |
| 11 | A friend helped me. | 一个朋友帮我 |
| 12 | And what did you steal? | 你偷了什麽? |
| 13 | I stole vegetables. | 我偷了蔬菜。 |
| 14 | Vegetables? | 蔬菜吗? |
| 15 | When was it? | 什么时候的事? |
| 16 | It was in the 19th century. | 当时是19世纪. |
| 17 | Well because there's nuns, nuns grow things in gardens. | 因为有修女 修女在花园里种东西 |
| 18 | Well they do on TV, but in real life they go to Asda. | 他们上电视了 但现实生活中他们去阿斯达 |
| 19 | Nuns grow vegetables. | 努斯种植蔬菜. |
| 20 | No they don't, no they don't. | 不,他们不,他们不。 |
| 21 | Yes they do. | 没错 |
| 22 | I can't imagine a nun not growing vegetables. | 我不能想象一个修女 不种植蔬菜。 |
| 23 | If you can name a nun who doesn't grow vegetables, then go ahead. | 如果你能给一个不种蔬菜的修女起名 那就去吧 |
| 24 | Trevor Nunn. | 特雷弗·纳恩. |
| 25 | What I did was, while she distracted them at the door, I snuck round into their garden, | 我所做的是, 当她分散他们的注意力 在门口,我溜进他们的花园, |
| 26 | which they do have, it's not just on TV, and stole vegetables. | 不仅在电视上,还偷了蔬菜 |
| 27 | Dug them up. | 拦住他们 |
| 28 | No you don't dig up all vegetables, there are some hanging. | 不,你不挖 所有的蔬菜, 有挂。 |
| 29 | Like what? | 比如说? |
| 30 | 豆ans,豆 beans. | |
| 31 | You're milking a cow now, there as well. | 你现在也挤奶牛了 |
| 32 | Barry we'll get some milk while we're at it. | 巴里,我们会得到一些牛奶 当我们在它。 |
| 33 | So you lived near this nun? | 你住在这个修女附近? |
| 34 | No, we had to drive there. | 不,我们得开车去 |
| 35 | Why, if you were poor, did you have a car? | 为什么,如果你贫穷,你有车吗? |
| 36 | She had a car. | 她有辆车 |
| 37 | Right, so... | 对,所以... |
| 38 | How did you get two syllables out of poor? | 你怎么把两个音节从穷人身上弄出来? |
| 39 | You've got more syllables than the Royal Lessons. | 你的音节比皇家课还要多 |
| 40 | How far was the car journey, Jennifer? | 车程有多远,珍妮弗? |
| 41 | It was about 40 minutes I suppose. | 大概40分钟吧 |
| 42 | You drove for 40 minutes? | 你开车40分钟? |
| 43 | That's doing a heist. | 这是在抢劫 |
| 44 | It was a heist. | 是抢劫 |
| 45 | It would have cost you more in petrol. | 汽油价格会更高 |
| 46 | Not in 1980, no, petrol was quite cheap. | 1980年没有,汽油很便宜。 |
| 47 | What do you think, does this sound as though it could be true? | 你觉得这听起来像是真的吗? |
| 48 | No way. | 不会吧 |
| 49 | After you think it's a lie, Joe, which way? | 乔,你觉得这是谎言之后,往哪走? |
| 50 | Yeah, I think it's a lie. | 是的,我认为这是一个谎言。 |
| 51 | I think it's true. | 我认为这是真的。 |
| 52 | No. | 没有 |
| 53 | Just the one syllable. | 只有一个音节 |
| 54 | For the rest of it. | 为余所摄. |
| 55 | So what's it going to be? | 那会是什么? |
| 56 | I have to go with the majority, even though I feel it's true. | 我必须和多数人一起走 虽然我觉得是真的 |
| 57 | OK, they say it's a lie. | 好吧 他们说那是谎言 |
| 58 | Jennifer, were you telling the truth or were you telling a lie? | 詹妮弗,你说的是实话还是谎话? |
| 59 | I was telling the truth. | 我说的是实话 |
| 60 | Now, you look, in the movie, like a very experienced... | 现在,你看,在电影里, 像一个非常有经验的... |
| 61 | Are you doing the writing in the film? | 你在拍电影吗? |
| 62 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 63 | And didn't you do awards of history? | 你不是做过历史奖吗? |
| 64 | Oh, yes. | 对 |
| 65 | I think I know what you mean, that it had been trained on Game Of Thrones. | 我想我知道你的意思, 它曾经训练 在游戏王座。 |
| 66 | Yes. | 对 |
| 67 | And it had been taught... | 它被教导... |
| 68 | Camilla, she's a brilliant horsewoman and she trains all her horses. | 卡米拉,她是个聪明的马妇人 她训练了所有的马 |
| 69 | She works for a company called Devil's Horsemen. | 她为一家叫魔鬼骑士的公司工作. |
| 70 | They're fantastic horses. | 他们是很棒的马。 |
| 71 | I don't want to make it sound like it was dangerous, | 我不想让它听起来像很危险, |
| 72 | but it was really dangerous. | 但它真的很危险。 |
| 73 | Apparently, this horse had been trained to die. | 显然,这匹马被训练死。 |
| 74 | So if you pulled his left brain very hard, | 所以如果你把他的左脑拉得非常用力 |
| 75 | he would very elegantly collapse his front legs, his back legs, and lie down. | 他会非常优雅地摔倒他的前腿,他的后腿,并躺下。 |
| 76 | And these are great, big, giant, thoroughbred stallions, | 和这些伟大的,大的,巨大的, 彻底的马, |
| 77 | you know, bigger than you both. | 你知道,比你们两个都大。 |
| 78 | Oh, now I get it. | 哦,现在我明白了。 |
| 79 | Some perspective there. | 有一些视角。 |
| 80 | They were really big. | 他们真的很大。 |
| 81 | It was a big fella. | 这是一个大家伙。 |
| 82 | So I cantered out the shot and I stopped and pulled the left brain, | 于是我把枪打中了 然后停下来拉左脑 |
| 83 | and he just died on his left side. | 他刚刚死在左侧 |
| 84 | And I was on the left side, so he died on me. | 我站在左边,所以他死在我身上。 |
| 85 | It wasn't un-painful, but it was OK. | 虽然不是无伤大雅,但还不错 |
| 86 | Yeah, yeah, we, you know, got up and it was OK, | 是啊,是啊,我们,你知道, 起来,没事, |
| 87 | but everything went silent, very, very silent. | 但一切都变得沉默,非常,非常沉默。 |
| 88 | You know, that silence that comes over things. | 你知道,沉默 来的东西。 |
| 89 | People are just going, oops. | 人们只是去,oops。 |
| 90 | This isn't going to end well. | 事情不会顺利结束的 |
| 91 | Or an entire horse on Rachel Price. | 或一整匹马在瑞秋·普莱斯身上。 |
| 92 | But you've had the common problem of frisky horses as well, haven't you? | 但你也有常见的frisky马的问题,不是吗? |
| 93 | There are different kinds of thoroughbred stallions. | 有不同种类的纯种马。 |
| 94 | There are those that have been... | 有的已经... |
| 95 | I don't know if it's a technical term for horses. | 我不知道这是否是马的技术术语. |
| 96 | Gelded. | 盖尔德 |
| 97 | Gelded 谢谢你 | |
| 98 | I didn't even say castrated or not. | 我什至没有说阉割或不。 |
| 99 | Gelded. | 盖尔德 |
| 100 | Gelded, yes, gelded. | 吉尔德,是的,吉尔德。 |
| 101 | They do not have their testicles. | 他们没有睾丸 |
| 102 | Yes, we've got it. | 是的,我们得到了它。 |
| 103 | We're all at the speed. | 皆以速报. |
| 104 | We've got castrated, gelded, we're on it. | 我们被阉割了 被磨碎了 正在查 |
| 105 | If you don't follow, I'm following the story now. | 如果你不听话,我现在在听故事 |
| 106 | I'm trying to do it in the best PG word, science word. | 我试图用最好的PG词,科学词来做. |
| 107 | Science word. | 科学词. |
| 108 | So if they have not been gelded, | 假若他们没有结实, |
| 109 | they're extremely sensitive to the smells of other horses. | 它们对其他马的气味极为敏感. |
| 110 | Actually, man horses or female horses, they don't care. | 事实上,男马或女马,他们不在乎. |
| 111 | They smell horse. | 他们闻到马的味道 |
| 112 | And they get basically just really enormous erections. | 他们基本上只是得到了真正的巨大的勃起。 |
| 113 | Which in a 19th century film, it's just not appropriate. | 在19世纪的电影里,这是不恰当的。 |
| 114 | You feel like someone should mention it. | 你觉得应该有人提一下 |
| 115 | Just chatting on. | 闲聊而已 |
| 116 | But actually Camilla's found... | 但实际上卡米拉找到了... |
| 117 | Well, she had a couple of ways of making it go away. | 她有几种方法让它消失 |
| 118 | But the one that's more mentionable would be she got vicks. | 但更值得一提的是 她有阴茎 |
| 119 | You know, the thing you put on your chest when you got a cold. | 感冒时放在胸前的东西 |
| 120 | She put it inside the horse's nostrils. | 她把它放在马鼻孔里 |
| 121 | Oh, it's for the smell. | 哦,这是为气味。 |
| 122 | Another method you can't mention. | 另一种方法,你不能提。 |
| 123 | Yes, it was just... | 对,只是... |
| 124 | What's the science? | 科学是什么? |
| 125 | Well, it was just to... | 嗯,这只是... |
| 126 | Get it done. | 动手吧 |
| 127 | Kick it. | 踢出来 |
| 128 | That's like a party game, kick the cock. | 这就像一个派对游戏,踢鸡巴。 |
| 129 | Come on, kids. | 来吧,孩子们。 |
| 130 | That's a professional technique to get rid of a horse's erection. | 这是摆脱马勃起的一种专业技术. |
| 131 | It's to kick it in the dick. | 以踢其阴. |
| 132 | Her new film is Widow's Peak with Mia Farah and Joan Plowright. | 她的新片子是寡妇峰与米娅·法拉和琼·普劳雷特. |
| 133 | And I'm very pleased to have her here. | 我很高兴她能来 |
| 134 | Welcome. | 欢迎 |
| 135 | What is this? | 这是什么? |
| 136 | You get right in there, don't you? | 你进去了,是吗? |
| 137 | This is an engagement ring. | 这是订婚戒指 |
| 138 | We're engaged in? | 我们订婚了? |
| 139 | We are engaged. | 我们订婚了 |
| 140 | When did this happen? | 什么时候发生的? |
| 141 | 显然大家都知道是Lian Neeson干的 | |
| 142 | Yeah, when did it happen? | 是啊,什么时候发生的? |
| 143 | I'm not sure. | 我不太确定 说不定 |
| 144 | Are we breaking important news here on this project? | 我们是不是要发布关于这个项目的重要消息? |
| 145 | I don't think so. | 亦不见. |
| 146 | I think, unfortunately, it's like one of those... | 我觉得,很不幸,就像... |
| 147 | Well, he took me out to this little local Chinese restaurant | 他带我到一家中国餐馆 |
| 148 | to give me the ring, and New York being... | 把戒指给我,纽约... |
| 149 | Just tell me what he said. | 告诉我他说了什么 |
| 150 | Tell me how did he do it. | 告诉我他怎么做到的 |
| 151 | No, he'd asked me before, but this was the giving me the ring. | 不,他以前问我, 但这是给我的戒指。 |
| 152 | And New York being New York, | 而纽约是纽约, |
| 153 | where there we are in this little booth tucked away from nowhere. | 在那里,我们在这个小摊位 笼罩无处不在。 |
| 154 | And there are these two ladies, | 还有这两位女士 |
| 155 | and I can see that they're going like this the whole time. | 我可以看到他们一直这样 |
| 156 | And the next morning I woke up, | 第二天早上我醒来 |
| 157 | and it was in the news or the post. | 在新闻或帖子上 |
| 158 | But they got the jeweler wrong. | 但是他们搞错了珠宝商 |
| 159 | But he picked it out himself. | 但他自己选的 |
| 160 | Yeah, he did. | 是的,他这样做。 |
| 161 | He did. | 没错 |
| 162 | When is the date? | 约会是什么时候? |
| 163 | Is there a date certain? | 有约会吗? |
| 164 | It's very private and under discussion, so I won't talk about it. | 这是非常私人的,正在讨论, 所以我不会谈论它。 |
| 165 | He's off to make a film soon? | 他马上就要拍电影了? |
| 166 | He is. | 没错 |
| 167 | In July. | 七月时. |
| 168 | We just wrapped a film that we were working on together | 我们刚拍完一部我们一起拍的电影 |
| 169 | with Jodie Foster two days ago in North Carolina | 两天前在北卡罗莱纳与乔迪·福斯特 |
| 170 | called Now, Your Home State. | 现在,你的祖国。 |
| 171 | Yes, indeed. | 是的,确实。 |
| 172 | We shot it in Wilmington or somewhere else? | 我们在威尔明顿还是其他地方拍的? |
| 173 | No, very remote in the Smoky Mountains, way beyond nowhere. | 不,在烟雾山很遥远,无处不在 |
| 174 | The gas station was like a 15-minute drive away. | 加油站就像15分钟的车程 |
| 175 | Sounds like my farm. | 听起来像我的农场。 |
| 176 | And it really makes you realize how spoiled we all are living in New York. | 这真的让你意识到 我们在纽约的生活有多糟 |
| 177 | It was great to be away, but you realize that we just get so much here, | 离开真好,但你意识到 我们只是得到这么多在这里, |
| 178 | and suddenly you know you can't have a cappuccino, | 突然间你知道你不能喝卡布奇诺 |
| 179 | and you can't find a restaurant, you don't get newspapers every day. | 而且你找不到餐厅, 你没有每天的报纸。 |
| 180 | But it was great. | 但这是伟大的。 |
| 181 | There's much to talk about, just one more thing about the relationship. | 有很多话要说, 只有一个关于关系。 |
| 182 | You will accompany him on location, and then he accompanied you there. | 你陪他去地点 然后他陪着你去 |
| 183 | You both were in the film with... | 你们俩都和... |
| 184 | We both were working together, which is a rarity. | 我们都一起工作,这是罕见的。 |
| 185 | It's not going to always be that way. | 它不会总是这样。 |
| 186 | I don't know, we'll have to play it by ear. | 我不知道,我们要用耳朵来演奏 |
| 187 | I don't know what I'm doing next. | 接下来我该怎么办? |
| 188 | He knows what he's doing. | 他知道自己在做什么。 他知道自己在做什么。 |
| 189 | I'll go visit him for a while, come home for a while, | 我会去拜访他一段时间,回家一段时间, |
| 190 | see what happens, and hope that you're not apart for too long. | 看看会发生什么, 希望你不会分开太久。 |
| 191 | Tell me about Widow's Peak. | 说寡妇峰. |
| 192 | Widow's Peak? | 寡妇峰? |
| 193 | I think it's just a delightful old-fashioned comedy | 我觉得这只是一部令人愉快的老式喜剧 |
| 194 | that just makes you smile and chuckle, and it just has charm to it. | 那只是让你微笑和笑, 它只是有魅力它。 |
| 195 | I think the only people that don't like it are those who want car chases | 我觉得唯一不喜欢的人 就是那些想追车的人 |
| 196 | and nudity and all that, because it isn't that. | 裸体和所有这一切, 因为它不是。 |
| 197 | It's funny, I think it's funny. | 这很有趣,我觉得很有趣。 |
| 198 | People seem to enjoy it. | 人们似乎喜欢它。 |
| 199 | Take a look, a clip from Widow's Peak. | 看看,寡妇峰的片段 |
| 200 | Here it is. | 在这里。 |
| 201 | Widow's Peak with Joan Plowright and Mia Farrow. | 寡妇峰与琼·普劳瑞和米娅·法罗. |
| 202 | There was no escaping that you would become an actress? | 你不可能成为一名演员吗? |
| 203 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 204 | I always wanted to be an actress from a really early age, | 我从小就想当演员 |
| 205 | and to me it was like a vocation. | 对我来说,这就像一个使命。 |
| 206 | I couldn't imagine doing anything else, | 我无法想象还能做什么 |
| 207 | which is really a great help in life when you know this is where I want to be, | 当你知道这就是我想待的地方时 这对生活很有帮助 |
| 208 | this is where I want to go. | 这就是我想去的地方。 |
| 209 | It's a great help. | 功德无量. |
| 210 | And for it to be a natural thing to aspire to. | 而为欲求自然之事. |
| 211 | A lot of people come out of places. | 众生出处. |
| 212 | There was no reason for Liam to be an actor. | 利亚姆没有理由成为一名演员. |
| 213 | He had no that kind of background. | 他没有那种背景。 |
| 214 | But you, in a sense, acting was in your blood, | 但你,从某种意义上说, 演戏是在你的血液中, |
| 215 | but it was also in the air, all the conversations. | 但它也是在空中, 所有的谈话。 |
| 216 | Well, it was, but I think that because of that, | 嗯,是的,但我觉得因为这个, |
| 217 | it would have maybe been more natural for me to go in the opposite direction | 或许我走相反的方向更自然 |
| 218 | and break away from it. | 并脱离它。 |
| 219 | Be a surgeon? | 做外科医生? |
| 220 | Be a surgeon or who knows what. | 做外科医生或谁知道什么。 |
| 221 | What might you have done if you didn't act? | 如果你不行动会怎样? |
| 222 | I would probably own a restaurant and cook in a restaurant. | 我可能拥有一家餐馆 在一家餐馆做饭。 |
| 223 | That's probably what I would do. | 我可能也会这么做 |
| 224 | There's a great quote about you in terms of cooking which says, | 关于你的烹饪有一句好话说 |
| 225 | this was John Gregory Dunn on you, | 这是约翰・格雷戈里・邓恩在你身上, |
| 226 | he said, she's like Mother Superior, born to manage things, a terrific cook. | 他说,她就像院长, 生来管理事物, 一个伟大的厨师。 |
| 227 | It's the most amazing thing. | 这是最神奇的事情。 |
| 228 | She cooks lunches and dinners for 15 people, 20 people, without any drama. | 她为15人,20人做午餐和晚餐,没有任何戏剧. |
| 229 | One of the most determined people you know. | 你认识的最坚定的人之一 |
| 230 | You wouldn't mind crossing the plains with her, you know she'd get there. | 你不介意和她一起穿越平原 你知道她会到的 |
| 231 | Pragmatic, pragmatic, pragmatica. | 务实,务实,务实 |
| 232 | Well, I guess, I don't know, there is that side. | 嗯,我想,我不知道, 有那边。 |
| 233 | I mean, that's the great thing about doing what I do is that I need to work | 我的意思是,这是伟大的事情 做我做什么是 我需要工作 |
| 234 | and there is a sort of romantic spirit that needs to kind of get away | 有一种浪漫精神 需要某种离开 |
| 235 | and live the gypsy life, | 并活在吉普赛人的生活里, |
| 236 | but at the same time I really need a very grounded, secure home life | 但与此同时 我真的需要 一个非常有根基,安全的家庭生活 |
| 237 | and I have to have both. | 我必须要有两者。 |
| 238 | You found that balance. | 你找到平衡点了 |
| 239 | I mean, you were off and running and had to weigh a lot of people. | 我的意思是,你离开和运行 不得不重很多人。 |
| 240 | What influenced your grandfather and your mother? | 什么影响了你祖父和你妈妈? |
| 241 | What influenced them? | 什么影响着他们? |
| 242 | No, how did they influence you? | 不,他们怎么影响你的? |
| 243 | What impact? | 什么影响? |
| 244 | I think, just Charlie, that they, I mean, that was the highest possible standards of work | 我想,只有查理,他们,我的意思是, 这是最高的工作标准 |
| 245 | and I mean that in the sense that they were extraordinary actors | 我意思是说他们是非凡的演员 |
| 246 | who always really went and go for, in my mother's case, the real truth of a part. | 他总是真正去和去, 在我母亲的情况下, 一个部分的真实真相。 |
| 247 | Not tricksy, showy, offy, attention-grabbing stuff, | 不要耍花招,炫耀, offy,吸引注意力的东西, |
| 248 | but grabbing attention by really just being there and being right in it. | 但通过真正 在那里和在它的正确。 |
| 249 | So for me, their work was inspiring and so it's by example, it's by osmosis, | 所以对我来说,他们的工作是鼓舞人心的 所以通过实例,它是通过渗透, |
| 250 | I don't know, all those things. | 我不知道,所有这些事情。 |
| 251 | And her own political activism causes you just to admire her more | 她自己的政治活动让你更欣赏她 |
| 252 | because she is willing to stand, notwithstanding, well, what does it cost you to say? | 因为她愿意站着,尽管, 好吧,这需要你说什么? |
| 253 | Well, I think that in some ways, as a daughter, I find it painful | 嗯,我觉得在某些方面,作为一个女儿, 我感到痛苦 |
| 254 | because I realize how much she's had to suffer because of her political outspokenness. | 因为我意识到她因为政治直言不讳 不得不受苦受难 |
| 255 | What else she might have done? | 她还会做什么? |
| 256 | Yes, and how she's been personally damaged and sometimes misinterpreted | 是的,她是如何被 个人损害,有时被误解 |
| 257 | and sometimes said things which are very offensive to a lot of people. | 有时候说一些对很多人非常冒犯的话 |
| 258 | It's also a case of sometimes, you know, you get tarred by the same brush | 有时候,你知道的,你被同一把刷子烧焦了 |
| 259 | and I just admire, in fact, what you were asking me about following in the family footsteps. | 我只是钦佩,事实上, 你问我 关于跟随家庭脚步。 |
| 260 | In terms of the politics, I went the other way, | 在政治方面,我走的是另一条路 |
| 261 | not that I just don't want politics to be part of my life in that way at all. | 我不希望政治 成为我生活的一部分 完全如此。 |
| 262 | Because you can see the toll it takes? | 因为你能看到代价? |
| 263 | Yes, and just because, you know, I was around a bunch of very radical people | 是的,只是因为,你知道, 我身边一群非常激进的人 |
| 264 | for a long period of time and that was the focus of their attention | 这是他们关注的焦点 |
| 265 | way above and beyond the people and their lives, their families and all those things. | 超越了人民 超越了他们的生活 家庭和所有的东西 |
| 266 | My mother's changed a lot in the last few years and it's not so much like that anymore. | 我妈妈在过去几年里变了很多 也不再那么像了 |
| 267 | Changed how? | 如何改变? |
| 268 | I think she's become, she's always been a very soft and gentle | 我觉得她变得很温柔和温柔 |
| 269 | and vulnerable person contrary to her image, which is a little daunting. | 与她形象相反的弱势者,这有点令人生畏。 |
| 270 | But I think she sees things less black and white now. | 但我认为她现在看到的东西 黑白较少。 |
| 271 | Where are you most comfortable? | 你在哪里最舒服吗? |
| 272 | What place? | 哪个地方? |
| 273 | Is it New York? | 是纽约吗? |
| 274 | Is it London? | 是伦敦吗? |
| 275 | No. | 没有 |
| 276 | Where is home for you? | 哪里是你的家吗? |
| 277 | Home is New York and I don't know why. | 家在纽约 我不知道为什么 |
| 278 | My dad first brought me here when I was like 14 years old | 我14岁的时候 我爸第一次带我来这里 |
| 279 | and as soon as I arrived here I thought this is where I belong | 我一到这里就觉得自己属于这里 |
| 280 | and it's maybe because it's a city of a lot of people unlike me | 也许是因为这里有很多人 不像我 |
| 281 | and that I'm in a much more comfortable situation economically, | 我的经济情况更舒适 |
| 282 | but it's a city that has always welcomed people | 但它是一个城市 一直欢迎人们 |
| 283 | who have wanted to maybe start a new life and get away from an old religious background | 想要开始新的生活 远离旧的宗教背景 |
| 284 | or all the reasons why immigrants came here. | 或者所有移民来的原因 |
| 285 | It's been the frontier. | 曾为边疆. |
| 286 | It's been the frontier and I felt that this city, this country has been very generous to me | 这个国家对我非常慷慨 |
| 287 | and made me feel that I am valued for the work that I do | 并让我觉得 我被珍视的工作 |
| 288 | and quite nothing to do with my family and that's been very pleasing | 和我的家人没什么关系 这一直非常令人高兴 |
| 289 | and I just love this city. | 我只是爱这个城市。 |
| 290 | It's so great. | 赞曰. |
| 291 | There's nowhere else in the world like it. | 世间无处比丘. |
| 292 | Stanislavski, when you first read the book, what did it do for you? | Stanislavski, 当你第一次读这本书的时候, 它对你做了什么? |
| 293 | I mean, as a sort of famous acting guru. | 我的意思是,作为一个著名的表演大师。 |
| 294 | Well, I was at a British drama school and I went to drama school just like a couple of years before | 我在英国的戏剧学校上戏剧学校 就像几年前一样 |
| 295 | after Fame came out and I thought, yes, it's going to be like Fame | 名人出来后 我想,是的,它会像名人 |
| 296 | and it was nothing like Fame and it was very disappointing in some ways | 与名人无关 在某些方面非常令人失望 |
| 297 | and great in others because you got a lot of experience. | 而在其他人中也很棒 因为你有很多经验 |
| 298 | But I did discover that anything approaching the so-called method or Stanislavski | 但我确实发现任何接近 所谓的方法或斯坦尼斯拉夫斯基 |
| 299 | was considered a dirty word there because it was much more about technique, | 被认为是一个肮脏的词 那里,因为它更 关于技术, |
| 300 | which is much more the British school. | 这更像是英国学校 |
| 301 | And so I came across these works. | 于是我发现了这些作品。 |
| 302 | Well, I think my mother said you should check out Stanislavski as her father had said to her. | 嗯,我想我的母亲说,你应该检查 斯坦尼斯拉夫斯基像她的父亲告诉她。 |
| 303 | And I opened these books and it was like the keys to so many doors that suddenly... | 我打开了这些书 就像很多门的钥匙 突然... |
| 304 | In terms of understanding how to find the best in you that contributes to the part or... | 在理解如何找到 你最好的 贡献部分或. |
| 305 | As just as a solid approach to work, as a solid approach to being as opposed to acting, | 就像一个扎实的工作方针, 一个扎实的工作方针而不是行动, |
| 306 | to hopefully getting to that place. | 希望去那个地方 |
| 307 | And I remember I went to see the principal ahead of the school and I said, | 我记得我到学校前边去看校长 我说 |
| 308 | have you read this? | 你读过这个吗? |
| 309 | Everybody should read these books. | 每个人都应该读这些书。 |
| 310 | And he was like, oh, no, and I don't want you to mention that in this school again. | 他就像,哦,不, 我不想你再说一遍 在这个学校。 |
| 311 | I mean, there's a real, I can't quite describe it, | 我的意思是,有一个真实的, 我不能完全描述它, |
| 312 | but there's a real reaction against anything like that happening. | 但对于这种事情 却有真正的反应 |
| 313 | Anna Christie has a role. | 安娜·克里斯蒂有一个角色。 |
| 314 | You were so hot in that. | 你当时很火辣 |
| 315 | I mean, I guess you know what it is to be from that as much as anything, | 我意思是,我想你知道什么是它是什么 从这一点和任何东西, |
| 316 | to be the object of so much conversation and talk and all of those kinds of things. | 成为这么多谈话和谈话 以及所有这些事情的对象 |
| 317 | What was it like? | 感觉怎么样? |
| 318 | It was great. | 这是伟大的。 |
| 319 | It was completely overwhelming to be doing this piece of work that you felt... | 做你觉得... |
| 320 | It wasn't like... | 这不是像... |
| 321 | So often theater is just a repetition, I think, of something that was past. | 所以戏剧经常只是重复一些过去的事。 |
| 322 | It's like a representation to an audience. | 犹如代表观众. |
| 323 | And you can feel an audience, myself included, often when I go, just going like this. | 你可以感觉到一个观众,包括我自己, 经常当我走的时候,就像这样。 |
| 324 | It was like a kind of live event that kind of happened every night. | 这就像一种现场活动 那种发生在每晚。 |
| 325 | And that was due a lot to our director. | 这要归功于我们的导演 |
| 326 | It was just everything gelled. | 它只是所有胶片。 |
| 327 | So you couldn't wait to do it every night because you knew somehow it would be different for you? | 所以你等不及每晚都这么做 因为你知道这对你不同吗? |
| 328 | Couldn't wait, yes. | 等不及了,对 |
| 329 | Or you might find something else or some way that he might make you react differently? | 或者你可能找到别的东西 或者某种方法 他可能会让你做出不同的反应? |
| 330 | Yes, and we could feel the audience. | 是的,我们可以感觉到观众。 |
| 331 | I mean, that was the key part of it. | 我的意思是,这是它的关键部分。 |
| 332 | We could feel the audience just right there with us, not knowing what was going to happen next. | 我们可以感觉到观众就在我们身边, 不知道接下来会发生什么。 |
| 333 | Did you fall in love during... | 你恋爱的时候... |
| 334 | I think... | 我觉得... |
| 335 | Well, we were talking about this the other day with someone, whether we fell in love doing that. | 我们前几天在和某人谈这事 是否爱上他了 |
| 336 | I mean, we certainly had a great working relationship, and there was great chemistry. | 我的意思是,我们肯定有一个伟大的工作关系, 和伟大的化学。 |
| 337 | Shut up, Charlie. | 闭嘴,查理 |
| 338 | What a nice euphemism. | 多么优雅的委婉语意. |
| 339 | No, no. | 没有,没有。 |
| 340 | We had a great working relationship. | 我们的关系很好 |
| 341 | It was true, but then, yes, there was heat and all that. | 这是真的,但后来, 是的,有热和这一切。 |
| 342 | But he certainly didn't fall in love with me during the show. | 但他在节目中当然没有爱上我. |
| 343 | That happened afterwards. | 事情后来发生了 |
| 344 | Oh, you fell first? | 哦,你先掉下来的? |
| 345 | And I fell in a certain kind of a way. | 我以某种方式坠落 |
| 346 | I don't think in a very... | 我觉得... |
| 347 | Not in the fundamental way. | 不以根本法门. |
| 348 | I fell in the more obvious, having a crush on somebody you work with kind of way. | 我倒在了更明显的, 和一个你工作的方式。 |
| 349 | And then... | 后来... |
| 350 | You're getting me to say all this stuff. | 你让我说这些东西。 |
| 351 | No, come on. | 不,来吧。 |
| 352 | You just rode with it, and did it enhance your performance? | 你只是骑着它, 它提升了你的表现? |
| 353 | Well, I don't know, because sometimes people who are married or in love or having an affair or whatever it is, | 嗯,我不知道,因为有时的人 谁结婚了, 恋爱,有外遇,或什么的, |
| 354 | they're working together, and it just doesn't read that there's anything. | 他们一起工作, 它只是没有读到什么。 |
| 355 | But certainly, we love working together and feel good working together. | 但是,我们当然喜欢一起工作,也觉得一起工作很好。 |
| 356 | And one thing feeds into the other. | 而有一件事会进化到另一个 |
| 357 | Stage is more your home? | 舞台是你的家吗? |
| 358 | No. | 没有 |
| 359 | Or do you not want to say that because you want... | 或者你不想说 因为你想要... |
| 360 | No, it's just that stage isn't more my homework because I've done... | 不,只是那个舞台不是我的功课 因为我做了... |
| 361 | Certainly in recent years, I've done less of it because usually what I'm asked to do in the theater, | 当然,近年来,我做的更少 因为通常我被要求在剧院做什么, |
| 362 | people require very long commitments that mean you can't do movies. | 人们需要很长的承诺 意味着你不能拍电影。 |
| 363 | And they're just very different. | 他们只是非常不同。 |
| 364 | I mean, what is great about being on stage apart from the audience is that it's just you and the words and the audience, | 我的意思是,什么是伟大的在舞台上 与观众不同的是,它只是你 和文字和观众, |
| 365 | the other actors and the words, you have this wonderful freedom because of that and this great control. | 其他演员和言语, 你拥有这个美妙的自由 因为这和伟大的控制。 |
| 366 | And movies, as I've often found to my cost, is the director's medium. | 而电影,正如我经常发现的 成本,是导演的媒介。 |
| 367 | And it doesn't matter really what you think the movie is in your head | 其实你认为电影在你脑子里是什么不重要 |
| 368 | because it's going to be the director's movie. | 因为这是导演的电影 |
| 369 | And sometimes they don't turn out as you wish they had. | 有时他们不会像你希望的那样出现 |
| 370 | And you have disappointing experiences and your performances are shaped in ways that you wish they hadn't been. | 而你有令人失望的经验, 你的表演方式 你希望他们没有。 |
| 371 | So really, it's a crapshoot with movies. | 所以,真的,这是一个废话 电影。 |
| 372 | And I'm probably not allowed to say that one. | 我可能不允许这么说 |
| 373 | Yes, you're a crapshoot. | 是的,你是一个废话。 |
| 374 | No, you are worse. | 不,你更惨。 |
| 375 | It's great to have you here. | 很高兴你能来 |
| 376 | Great to see Liam backstage. | 很高兴见到利亚姆后台。 |
| 377 | Thank you for coming. | 谢谢你能来 |
| 378 | Thank you, Sean. | 谢谢你,肖恩。 |
| 379 | Hope to see you again. | 希望能再见到你 |
| 380 | Thanks. | 谢谢 |
| 381 | Tasha Richards. | 塔莎·理查兹. |
| 382 | Talking about weeks though, over the last week, the new parliament has been sworn in. | 上周,新议会宣誓就职。 |
| 383 | And now we'll have to get used to a whole new set of names and faces. | 现在我们必须习惯 全新的名称和面孔。 |
| 384 | One very popular face that's missing from the new parliament is that of the right honourable Shirley Williams, | 新议会漏掉的一个非常受欢迎的面孔是 右光荣的雪莉·威廉姆斯 |
| 385 | who not only forfeited her cabinet post, but more surprisingly lost her seat in the general election. | 他们不仅失去了内阁职位,更令人惊讶的是,在大选中失去了她的席位。 |
| 386 | It will be the first time in 15 years that she will not have sat in parliament. | 这将是她15年来第一次没有参加议会。 |
| 387 | But she does have a seat with us today. | 但是她今天确实和我们坐在一起 |
| 388 | A warm welcome, Shirley Williams. | 热烈欢迎,雪莉・威廉姆斯。 |
| 389 | Defeat in Stevenage and Hartford. | 在史蒂文吉和哈特福德战败. |
| 390 | Mr Callaghan said he was heartbroken. | 卡拉汉先生说他很伤心 |
| 391 | What were your feelings? | 你是什么感觉? |
| 392 | And did it come as a surprise and even a shock? | 难道它是一个惊喜,甚至震惊? |
| 393 | No, not all that much of a surprise because, in fact, | 不,不是很多惊喜 因为,事实上, |
| 394 | I'd been warned by one or two people who'd been projecting the results in that part of the country, the South East, | 我被一两个人警告过 这些人在那个地方, 东南地区投射结果 |
| 395 | that I would be likely to lose my seat. | 我可能会失去我的座位。 |
| 396 | So put it like this, I had time to expect that I would have to arrange my face for what was going to happen. | 所以,这样的话,我有时间 期待我不得不安排 我的脸,接下来会发生什么。 |
| 397 | And while I suppose one always feels it won't happen to me, I was aware that the statistics were against me. | 虽然我想人们总觉得这不会发生在我身上, 但我知道这些统计数字是针对我的。 |
| 398 | I love that, to arrange your face. | 我喜欢这样安排你的脸 |
| 399 | I mean, it really is, you have to be resilient to be an MP. | 我的意思是,这真的, 你必须有韧性 成为一名议员。 |
| 400 | But the thing that was surprising was that the whole country seemed quite stricken by your defeat on both sides. | 但令人惊讶的是,整个国家似乎都因为你两边的失败而受到了很大打击. |
| 401 | I remember going into my grocery shop and there's a lovely sort of Tory there who was quite upset about you losing your seat in Parliament. | 我记得我去了我的杂货店 有个可爱的托里在那里 他对你失去议会席位很生气 |
| 402 | Yes, I'm a bit humbled by this. | 是的,我有点谦卑 这一点。 |
| 403 | I've got so many letters that I have to carry them around in bags to try to hope that they'll somehow get answered in the next few weeks. | 我有很多信,我必须把它们装在袋子里, 以便在未来几周里能得到答案。 |
| 404 | And I've been very encouraged and heartened by that. | 我对此感到非常鼓舞和鼓舞。 |
| 405 | I have to say that my own reactions are rather mixed ones. | 我不得不说,我自己的反应相当复杂。 |
| 406 | That is to say, with part of me, I rather welcome the new freedom I've got because there's no doubt that being a minister is a very tough job indeed. | 也就是说,对于我的一部分,我相当欢迎我有了新的自由,因为毫无疑问,当部长确实是一个非常艰难的工作. |
| 407 | And it means that you don't enjoy maybe more than five or six hours sleep at night. | 意思是晚上睡觉的时间可能不超过五六小时 |
| 408 | You have to reckon that every single night you'll be working your way through a red box and so forth, full of decisions you have to make. | 你必须想想每晚你都会在红盒子里工作 做很多决定 |
| 409 | And so it is quite nice to be let off the treadmill for a while. | 暂时离开跑步机是件好事 |
| 410 | On the other hand, of course, I very much regret the result of the elections. | 另一方面,我当然对选举结果感到非常遗憾。 |
| 411 | And I'm sorry that the old government couldn't carry on as being a new government and recognise very much that some of the things that I wanted to do are either cut short or will be put into reverse. | 我很遗憾旧政府不能继续作为一个新政府 并且非常清楚地认识到,我想做的一些事情 要么被缩短,要么被推翻。 |
| 412 | But one is bound to say one's feelings are pretty mixed ones. | 但人们肯定会说,一个人的感受是相当混合的。 |
| 413 | It's interesting you talk about the sort of the stress on a cabinet minister. | 有趣的是,你谈到内阁部长的压力。 |
| 414 | But the thing that was interesting about this election was so many women MPs lost their seat. | 但这次选举很有趣的是 如此多的女议员失去了她们的席位。 |
| 415 | Is it particularly tough on women? | 对女人来说特别严厉吗? |
| 416 | Well, it was interesting. | 嗯,这是有趣的。 |
| 417 | It was also terribly sad and that we should have fewer women MPs than we had in 1945 is really an awful comment on us. | 女性议员人数应该比1945年少, |
| 418 | I mean, it's 33 years on and we're supposed to be living in a time of the equality of the sexes. | 我的意思是,它已经33年了,我们应该 生活在一个男女平等的时代。 |
| 419 | And yet I think we'll only have 17 or 18 women in the House of the New House of Commons out of 600 odd members altogether. | 然而我认为我们只有 17或18名妇女进入新下议院 总共600名怪人议员中 |
| 420 | Is it harder on women? | 女人更难受吗? |
| 421 | Yes, it is. | 没错 |
| 422 | Of course, it is in two ways. | 当然,这是两个方面。 |
| 423 | One is that women on the whole tend to be in the marginal seats. | 一是整体上妇女往往占据边际席位. |
| 424 | Even my own seat was not a safe one. | 连我自己的座位都不安全 |
| 425 | And secondly, that I think for many women they have the business of trying to keep two lives going because it's no good saying to yourself, | 其次,我认为对很多女性来说,她们有 试图保持两条生命的延续, 因为这对你自己来说是不好的, |
| 426 | oh, I'll go into Parliament when I'm 50, when the children are grown up. | 哦,我50岁时会进入议会, 当孩子们长大了。 |
| 427 | Parliament and politics are far too competitive for that to be possible. | 议会和政治竞争太大,无法做到这一点。 |
| 428 | And so any woman who goes into Parliament has to think in terms of how she's going to sustain her interest in politics, | 因此,任何进入议会的妇女必须思考 她如何维持 她对政治的兴趣, |
| 429 | her concern in politics, her work in politics when her children are young. | 她对政治的关心,她的孩子年轻时对政治的工作. |
| 430 | And the crucial thing that's happened, which is why we've got no more women MPs than we had, as I say, 30 years ago, | 关键的事情发生了, 这就是为什么我们没有更多的女性议员 比我们有,如我所说,30年前, |
| 431 | is that far more women get married, far more women have children. | 结婚的妇女要多得多,有孩子的妇女要多得多。 |
| 432 | And so the great age of the spinster woman politician who was the backbone of women MPs in the 30s has gone. | 成为30年代女议员骨干 的温斯特女政治家的伟大时代已经过去。 |
| 433 | And therefore you're looking at women who are willing to try to attempt to do two jobs at once. | 因此,你看到的是那些 愿意同时尝试做两个工作的女人。 |
| 434 | There must be times, in fact, with you, you have a daughter that you felt torn between the two things, | 一定有的时候,事实上,和你在一起, 你有一个女儿,你觉得 撕裂在两件事之间, |
| 435 | doing a job excellently at the expense of another one. | 做一个出色的工作 牺牲另一个。 |
| 436 | You just try to keep it going somehow. | 你只是试着保持下去 |
| 437 | But obviously if you've got an ill child or if you've got a special domestic demands and so forth, | 但很明显,如果你有一个生病的孩子 或者如果你有一个特殊的家庭需求等等, |
| 438 | and that coincides with what may be a crisis in the Cabinet or a crisis in your own department, it's very difficult. | 这与内阁的危机 或你部的危机相吻合 这非常困难 |
| 439 | And I suppose that one of the things that many, many women would echo, | 我想很多女人会回音 |
| 440 | whether they're teachers or whether they work in a factory or whether they work in Parliament, | 无论他们是教师,还是在工厂工作,还是在议会工作, |
| 441 | and I'm not making any differences, we're all in the same boat, | 我没有做任何区别, 我们都在同一艘船上, |
| 442 | is that they may say to themselves occasionally, I wish, like anything, I had a wife. | 他们有时会对自己说, 我希望,像任何事一样,我有一个妻子。 |
| 443 | Yes. | 对 |
| 444 | There aren't any wives or women. | 没有妻子和女人 |
| 445 | That's exactly what I want. | 这正是我想要的。 |
| 446 | Well, the person whose children are grown up now is Mrs Thatcher, | 现在孩子长大的人是撒切尔夫人 |
| 447 | and she's at the right age now to be the Prime Minister. | 现在她已经到了当首相的合适年龄 |
| 448 | Your father said, and in fact many people have said, that you would one day be Prime Minister. | 你父亲说,事实上很多人说, 总有一天你会成为总理。 |
| 449 | Do you think that she sort of paved the way or lessened your chances? | 你觉得她是不是在铺路 还是减少了你的机会? |
| 450 | I think probably the second. | 我想可能是第二个 |
| 451 | That's to say, you know, one wonders how many women in very high office the British public were put up with. | 这就是说,你知道,人们想知道 有多少女性在非常高的岗位 英国公众忍受。 |
| 452 | Now, that's an awful thing to say because the really ideal situation to reach | 现在,这是可怕的事情说 因为真正理想的情况到达 |
| 453 | is where everybody chooses the best person for a particular job | 是每个人选择最佳人选 从事某项工作 |
| 454 | rather than saying it's the best man or the best woman. | 而不是说这是最好的男人或最好的女人。 |
| 455 | But I don't think we've quite got there yet. | 但我觉得我们还没到那里 |
| 456 | I don't think we yet are able to say that we've got beyond the statutory woman, | 我觉得我们还没能说 我们已经超越了法定女人 |
| 457 | the woman who's doing the unusual job, and everybody says, goodness, that's a woman who's climbed Everest | 做不寻常工作的女人, 每个人都说,天啊, 这是一个女人谁爬珠穆朗玛峰 |
| 458 | or that's a woman who's the head of a university or that's a woman who's Prime Minister. | 或谓女子为大学之长,或谓女子为总理. |
| 459 | We've got to get to the point where nobody remarks on that, | 我们必须做到没人会这么说 |
| 460 | where it's so normal that people no longer raise an eyebrow. | 在那里它是如此的正常 人们不再提起眉毛。 |
| 461 | But I think we've got probably another generation to go before we get there. | 但是,我想我们可能还有另一代人去之前,我们到达那里。 |
| 462 | And I remember, incidentally, that Mrs Thatcher in 74 said, | 我记得,顺便说一句, 撒切尔夫人在74年说, |
| 463 | it won't be in my time that a woman becomes Prime Minister. | 在我的时代,女人不会成为总理。 |
| 464 | She must feel that the future is telescoping itself awfully fast. | 她一定觉得未来 正在快速的传播中 |
| 465 | Well, Labour's defeat, the party itself. | 工党的失败,党本身。 |
| 466 | Mr Callahan said, a winter of discontent, strikes, unburied dead. | 卡拉汉先生说,一个充满不满、罢工、未埋葬的死亡的冬天。 |
| 467 | Then, of course, the Conservative policies were very attractive, | 当然,保守党的政策很有吸引力 |
| 468 | low taxation and so on, council houses. | 低税收等等,议会大厦。 |
| 469 | But isn't it really, doesn't it really reflect the feeling that many people have | 但是,是不是真的, 它真的反映了 感觉很多人有 |
| 470 | that the Labour Party has gone too far left, there's too many extremists, | 工党走得太远了 极端分子太多了 |
| 471 | and isn't it time now for Labour to look at their party and make massive changes? | 现在不是工党看他们的党 做出大规模改变的时候了吗? |
| 472 | Can I take those apart? | 我可以把这些拆了吗? |
| 473 | I think nobody could really look at Jim Callahan's government | 我想没有人能真正看透吉姆·卡拉汉的政府 |
| 474 | and say that it was an extremist one. | 并说这是一个极端主义者。 |
| 475 | Clearly, it wasn't. | 显然不是 |
| 476 | And I think that a lot of people got very steamed up about stories, | 我觉得很多人对故事很感兴趣 |
| 477 | some of which were perfectly fair, but many of which were very exaggerated. | 其中一些是完全公平的,但许多都夸大其词。 |
| 478 | Now, on the second one, is it time for us to look again at things? | 现在,第二点,我们是不是该重新审视一下? |
| 479 | Yes, I think it is, because it's not so much that particular question that you raised. | 是的,我想是的,因为你提出的问题并不太多 |
| 480 | It's the fact that I think both major political parties in Britain | 我认为英国两大政党 |
| 481 | haven't been looking closely enough, and I include the Conservatives in this, | 还没有仔细观察, 而且我包括保守党人在这个, |
| 482 | at some of the issues that are going to hit us very hard in the next few years. | 在未来几年中,有些问题将给我们带来沉重打击。 |
| 483 | And if I may take an example, | 如果我能举个例子, |
| 484 | and we've seen on the television screens in the last couple of days, | 过去几天我们在电视屏幕上看到过 |
| 485 | Californians fighting each other to get petrol for their cars. | 加州人互相争斗,为他们的车买汽油. |
| 486 | Now, that very same crisis is looming over the horizon | 现在,同样的危机即将来临 |
| 487 | for all the countries of the Western world, | 对于西方世界的所有国家, |
| 488 | and a lot of these things we've got to think about very deeply, I believe, | 和很多这些东西,我们必须 深思熟虑,我相信, |
| 489 | in the next months and weeks. | 在接下来的几个月和几周。 |
| 490 | What about the changes, though? | 变化呢? |
| 491 | I've heard lots in the last few days saying about changes in unions and alterations, | 过去几天我听到很多关于工会变更和改建的事 |
| 492 | and some people should not be members of the Labour Party | 有些人不应该是工党党员 |
| 493 | if they're members of other parties. | 如果他们是其他政党的成员 |
| 494 | What I can't understand is why on earth you had to wait till you were defeated | 我无法理解的是,为什么你不得不等待 直到你被打败 |
| 495 | to make these changes? | 做这些改变? |
| 496 | Why weren't you tougher on the unions when you were in power? | 你当权的时候为什么对工会不强硬? |
| 497 | I mean, for example, yourself. | 我是说,比如你自己 |
| 498 | Mary, be fair, I think that what the unions came up with... | 玛丽,公平点,我觉得工会想出来的... |
| 499 | All right, we all know that there were three years of a very successful | 好吧,我们都知道,有 三年非常成功 |
| 500 | wages policy and incomes policy, and it worked very well. | 工资政策和收入政策运作良好。 |
| 501 | Then there was a year in which it broke down, | 在那年里它崩溃了, |
| 502 | and it broke down to a greater extent than most of us foresaw. | 并且比我们大多数人预见到的要大得多。 |
| 503 | Right, we have to take the blame for having misjudged that situation | 对,我们得承担错判的罪责 |
| 504 | and not realising how bad it would be. | 却不知道会有多糟 |
| 505 | But to be fair, in the last few weeks before the election, | 但公平地说, 在选举前的最后几周, |
| 506 | there were also the signs of trying to build for a new future, | 也有一些迹象 试图建设一个新的未来, |
| 507 | and this was the agreement with the TUC about industrial disputes, | 这是与TUC关于工业纠纷的协议, |
| 508 | that there would be no strikes until procedures had been exhausted. | 在程序用尽之前不会罢工。 |
| 509 | That really means nothing happens until every possible attempt | 这真的意味着在一切可能的尝试之前 一切都不会发生 |
| 510 | has been made to settle the thing peacefully. | 为了和平解决这件事 |
| 511 | And secondly, of course, there was the TUC's agreement | 其次,当然还有TUC的协议 |
| 512 | to a new incomes policy, which would be more flexible | 新的收入政策将更加灵活 |
| 513 | than the present one, but which would last permanently. | 而不是现在的, 但它会永久持续。 |
| 514 | Now, I guess, if I may respond to what you've said, | 现在,我想,如果我能回应你的话, |
| 515 | that what worries me a bit about the government | 我担心的是政府 |
| 516 | is that they haven't got a policy yet for incomes policy, | 他们还没有制定收入政策 |
| 517 | and they haven't got a policy yet for how one deals with disputes, | 他们还没有一个政策 如何处理纠纷, |
| 518 | and obviously it's crucial to this country | 这显然对这个国家至关重要 |
| 519 | that we find an answer to both those things. | 找到两个答案 |
| 520 | All I can say is, I think we took the first steps towards it | 我只能说,我想我们迈出了第一步 |
| 521 | during the course of the election campaign. | 在竞选期间。 |
| 522 | Now we'll have to see what Mrs Thatcher's government makes of it, | 现在我们得看看撒切尔夫人政府怎么解释 |
| 523 | but we have got some thinking going ahead on this field. | 但是,我们有一些想法 在这个领域前进。 |
| 524 | I tell you what you did move pretty quickly on, | 我告诉你你动作很快 |
| 525 | and that was comprehensive education. | 这是全面的教育。 |
| 526 | There certainly was no slowing down on that, | 当然没有减速, |
| 527 | and you made very good decisions, quick decisions. | 你做了非常好的决定, 快速的决定。 |
| 528 | But where does that leave us now? | 但是,现在我们又走到哪里了? |
| 529 | The parents that backed you to the hilt. | 支持你的父母们 |
| 530 | Our grammar schools were closed down, | 我们的文法学校被关闭了 |
| 531 | our children are in comprehensive education, | 我们的儿童正在接受全面教育, |
| 532 | and yet there are still grammar schools in existence, | 但仍有文法学校存在, |
| 533 | still centres of excellence. | 仍然是英才中心 |
| 534 | Two questions I want to ask you now. | 我现在想问你两个问题 |
| 535 | You were part of that excellent system, so was I. | 你曾经是这个优秀系统的一部分 我也是 |
| 536 | Wasn't it painful for you to close down those grammar schools | 关闭那些文法学校不很痛苦吗? |
| 537 | without knowing the outcome of comprehensive education? | 却不知道全面教育的结果? |
| 538 | No, because we did know. | 不,因为我们知道。 |
| 539 | You see, we had a lot of information coming to us from those areas | 你看,我们有很多信息 从那些地方来给我们 |
| 540 | where there had been comprehensive schools for some years. | 几年来一直有综合性学校。 |
| 541 | Now, if I may put it to you like this, | 现在,如果我可以把它给你这样, |
| 542 | if you take over a company, | 如果你接管了一个公司, |
| 543 | it takes five or six years before you know how successful the takeover has been. | 要花5到6年才知道收购有多成功 |
| 544 | You can't reorganise a company and get the results immediately. | 你不能重组一个公司 立即得到结果。 |
| 545 | In just the same way, you can't reorganise a system of education | 同样,你无法重组一个教育体制 |
| 546 | in a particular local area and expect to see the results immediately. | 并期望立即看到结果。 |
| 547 | It takes five or six years. | 须五六年. |
| 548 | For one thing, children have to spend from 11 to 17 or 18 in the same school | 首先,儿童必须在同一所学校度过11至17岁或18岁。 |
| 549 | in order to show what they're capable of. | 为了显示他们的能力 |
| 550 | They can't keep being mucked about. | 他们不能再被蒙蔽了 |
| 551 | Now, what we saw was that where children had been | 现在,我们看到的是, 在那里,孩子们曾经 |
| 552 | all through the comprehensive system, by and large they were doing better. | 总的来说,他们做得更好。 |
| 553 | More children were passing O levels, more children were passing A levels | 更多儿童通过O级,更多儿童通过A级 |
| 554 | than had done before. | 和以前一样 |
| 555 | Quite remarkable results in some areas of the country. | 在全国一些地区取得了显著成果. |
| 556 | But it depended upon how good the school was, | 但要看学校有多好 |
| 557 | how much emphasis was put upon academic study, | 如何强调学术研究, |
| 558 | reasonable self-discipline, reasonably good teaching and so on. | 合理自律,合理良好的教学等. |
| 559 | You see, in the end, the truth of the matter is that the most crucial thing | 你看,最终,事情的真相是,最关键的事情 |
| 560 | is how good the teaching is. | 教书有多好 |
| 561 | That matters more than whether the school is called grammar or comprehensive. | 这比学校是所谓的语法还是全面更重要。 |
| 562 | Can it be reversed? | 它能被扭转吗? |
| 563 | You've only got a few seconds. | 你只有几秒钟。 |
| 564 | In a few seconds, the last thing I want to see is the youngsters becoming part of a football. | 几秒钟后,我最不想看到的是 年轻人成为足球的一部分。 |
| 565 | I think it would be much better if the Conservative government said, | 我认为如果保守党政府说 |
| 566 | comprehensive schools have come to stay. | 综合学校已经停止。 |
| 567 | We're going to insist upon the highest possible standards. | 我们要坚持尽可能高的标准. |
| 568 | I hope to God that they don't kick the whole thing into bits again. | 我希望他们不会再把事情搞砸 |
| 569 | Thank you very much, Shirley Williams. | 非常感谢,雪莉・威廉姆斯。 |
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