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0:05My Lords, the United Kingdom has ratified the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty and陛下,联合王国批准了《全面禁止核试验条约》,
0:10continues to press for its entry into force.继续推动其生效。
0:13We remain committed to our voluntary moratorium我们仍然致力于自愿暂停
0:16on nuclear test explosions, having ceased nuclear testing in 1991.于1991年停止核试验。
0:20The nuclear testing核试验
0:22policy of the United States is a matter for the US Government and it would therefore be美国的政策是美国政府的事,因此,这将是
0:27appropriate to comment further.适宜作进一步评论。
0:32My Lords, it is easy to look upon this as some sort of playground bravado by President大王们,这很容易被总统视为某种游乐场的破坏
0:38Trump, who clearly did not understand the implications of what it meant by the trials特朗普,他显然不明白审判的意义
0:44of delivery systems that Putin was conducting.普京正在运行的运载系统。
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1My Lords, the United Kingdom has ratified the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty and陛下,联合王国批准了《全面禁止核试验条约》,
2continues to press for its entry into force.继续推动其生效。
3We remain committed to our voluntary moratorium我们仍然致力于自愿暂停
4on nuclear test explosions, having ceased nuclear testing in 1991.于1991年停止核试验。
5The nuclear testing核试验
6policy of the United States is a matter for the US Government and it would therefore be美国的政策是美国政府的事,因此,这将是
7appropriate to comment further.适宜作进一步评论。
8My Lords, it is easy to look upon this as some sort of playground bravado by President大王们,这很容易被总统视为某种游乐场的破坏
9Trump, who clearly did not understand the implications of what it meant by the trials特朗普,他显然不明白审判的意义
10of delivery systems that Putin was conducting.普京正在运行的运载系统。
11Having made his statement, President Putin普京总统发了言。
12wanted to show how tough he was and made his statement about doing tests again.想要展示他有多坚强 并做了关于再次做测试的陈述
13This would这会
14be quite amusing if it was not for the fact that it is so incredibly dangerous.如果不是因为它太危险了 那就很有趣
15The Comprehensive综合
16Test Ban Treaty is one of the few treaties regarding nuclear weapons that is still in《禁试条约》是关于核武器的少数条约之一,目前仍在
17existence.存在。
18So many have fallen by the wayside.这么多人掉在路边
19We are less safe than we used to be because我们比以前安全了
20of that.就是这样
21If the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty is broken, it opens a Pandora's box.如果《全面禁止试验条约》被打破,它将打开潘多拉的盒子。
22All全体
23of us will be far less safe.我们的安全性会低得多
24That is extremely worrying.这令人极为担忧。
25Does my noble friend the Minister believe that even though something may not happen我的贵友大臣是否相信,即使事情不会发生
26because the Department of Energy in America is unable to do a test straightaway, it will因为美国能源部无法马上进行测试,它会
27take a couple of years and it will cost billions of dollars, so this thing may go away.花了几年的时间,它会花费数十亿美元, 所以这个东西可能会消失。
28Does
29he believe that we should be, as a Government, making it very clear to the Americans, even他相信,作为一个政府,我们应该让美国人民明白这一点,甚至
30though you say it is their business, how much we support keeping the test ban treaty虽然你说这是他们的事 我们多么支持遵守禁试条约
31in place and that we would be very disappointed if there were any break to that?如果有任何突破,我们会非常失望吗?
32The UK has a long-standing and important relationship with the United States and I think it is really英国与美国有着长期的重要关系,我认为这确实是
33important to start out and to say that, as I say, on a number of occasions.如我所说,必须首先指出这一点。
34The Comprehensive综合
35Test Ban Treaty, as my noble friend has said, is a really successful treaty and we continue正如我尊敬的朋友所说,《禁试条约》是一项非常成功的条约,我们继续
36to push and to do all we can to ensure that that Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty is as effective推动和尽我们所能确保《全面禁止核试验条约》的效力
37as it is with as many states as possible.和尽可能多的州一样
38We look forward to everyone who has signed我们期待着所有签过字的人
39it ratifying it in due course.它在适当时候批准了该公约。
40My Lords, just carrying forward that theme of treaties, we saw the PREPCOM for the NPT,大人们,在推进条约主题时,我们看到了《不扩散条约》的PREPCOM,
41which is due to meet again next year the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.明年将再次召开《核不扩散条约》会议。
42We have five signatories.我们有五个签名人。
43In light of what we have seen from the rhetoric of Russia, the actions that others have taken鉴于我们从俄罗斯的言辞中看到的情况,以及其他国家采取的行动,
44as well, what is the assessment being made of the success of the NPT meeting next May?此外,对明年5月《不扩散条约》会议成功与否的评估如何?
45And secondly, linked to the recent conflict we saw between India and Pakistan, what extra其次,与我们最近看到的印度和巴基斯坦之间的冲突有关,
46efforts have been made to ensure those countries also sign the NPT?已努力确保这些国家也签署《不扩散条约》?
47The noble Lord has a lot of experience in these matters and he knows that there are高贵的领主在这些问题上有很多经验,他知道
48numerous conversations that go on, numerous efforts made by numerous countries in ways继续的无数对话,以及许多国家以各种方式作出的无数努力
49that we cannot often speak about in this Chamber.我们不能经常在本会议厅谈论这一点。
50But whether it is India and Pakistan or whether但究竟是印度和巴基斯坦,还是
51it is other countries, there are numerous debates and discussions which take place to是其他国家,有无数的辩论和讨论是为了
52try to ensure that we are as safe as we possibly can be.尽量确保我们尽可能安全。
53And the Nuclear Non-Proliferation以及核不扩散
54Treaty, to which the noble Lord refers, will meet in New York as he knows next year, which高贵的领主提到的条约将于明年在纽约举行,他知道,条约将在纽约举行。
55he thinks is an important statement to see that taking place in New York.他认为,这是纽约发生的一次重要发言。
56It is a really,这是一个真正的,
57really important treaty.真的很重要的条约。
58We have the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and we have the Nuclear Non-Proliferation我们有《全面禁止核试验条约》和《核不扩散》
59Treaty.条约。
60I think sometimes what we should do, as well as recognising the difficulties and我想有时我们应该做什么,以及认识到困难和困难。
61problems that they are, for states and countries like us to continue to push the importance象我们这样的国家和各国继续推动这种重要性
62of those treaties and to do what we can to ensure their continued success.并尽我们所能确保这些条约继续取得成功。
63My Lords, would the noble Lord, the Minister, not agree that this is the latest instance大人,尊敬的大人,大臣, 不同意这是最新的例子
64of the potential use of nuclear weapons being referred to loosely by leaders of the recognised被承认的国家领导人随意提到可能使用核武器。
65weapon states in which President Putin gave the lead on several occasions when he spoke普京总统多次讲话时曾带头使用武器的国家
66about it in the context of the Ukraine conflict?在乌克兰冲突的背景下?
67That is surely a lamentable change from the这的确是一个可悲的变化,
68taboo on talking about these matters since the end of the Cold War.自冷战结束以来,关于谈论这些问题的禁忌。
69Would not the noble不会是贵族
70Lord, the Minister, think we would do better to work at the Non-Proliferation Treaty Review主啊,部长,认为我们在《不扩散条约》审查方面做得更好。
71Conference next year for a reaffirmation of the view that a nuclear war must not be fought明年召开一次会议,重申决不能发动核战争的观点
72and cannot be won?无法赢得?
73I think the noble Lord makes a really good point.我认为尊贵的上帝说得非常有道理
74With all the questions and certainly和所有的问题,当然
75with my comments so far, it is extremely important that we do not let rhetoric actually cause以我至今为止的评论,我们不要让言辞真正引起
76a problem that we do not want it to cause.我们不希望它引起这个问题。
77The question that the noble Lord has posed尊者们提出的问题
78is a really important one, which is why I have said in my answer so far and will say是一个非常重要的问题, 这就是为什么我一直在我的回答中说,并将说
79about the success of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.关于《全面禁止核试验条约》的成功。
80We have not ourselves conducted我们自己没有做
81a nuclear test explosion since 1991.1991年以来的一次核试验爆炸。
82The United States and others conformed to that as well.美国和其他国家也这样做。
83The use of rhetoric, in whatever circumstance, people have to be really, really careful.使用言辞,无论在何种情况下,人们必须真正,真正小心.
84Our debates and discussions on these matters are looked at and pored over.我们有关这些问题的辩论和讨论受到关注和关注。
85I take the noble我当贵族
86Lord's point very seriously.主的观点是非常严肃的。
87We need to be very careful how we discuss these matters我们需要非常小心地讨论这些问题
88whilst, of course, having the right to discuss them.当然,还有权利讨论
89In a conflict-reset world, a credible nuclear deterrent is unarguable, but macho posturing在冲突重现的世界中,可信的核威慑是无可辩驳的,但大男子主义姿态
90by the leaders of the United States and Russia is an alarming development that undermines美国和俄罗斯领导人的举动令人震惊,破坏了
91the non-proliferation treaty.《不扩散条约》的执行情况。
92In response to the noble Lord, Lord Ahmad, will the Government为了回应尊贵的领主艾哈迈德勋爵,政府会
93take a lead to encourage, or indeed persuade, India, Pakistan and Israel to sign that treaty,带头鼓励或说服印度、巴基斯坦和以色列签署该条约,
94reaffirm it and strengthen it, and make it clear exactly what has been said?是否重申和加强《公约》,并确切阐明所说的话?
95The nuclear核能
96war cannot be won and must not be fought.战争是不能赢的,绝不能打。
97The noble Lord's point is that we encourage all States to join the nuclear non-proliferation尊贵的上帝的观点是,我们鼓励所有国家加入核不扩散。
98treaty.条约。
99It has been a huge vehicle by which we have worked together to try to keep the它是一个巨大的工具,我们通过它共同努力,试图保持
100world safe.这世界很安全
101We also accept, and the Government accept as many Governments across the world我们也接受,政府也接受世界上许多政府
102accept, that the nuclear deterrent is part of the security architecture of the world,接受核威慑是世界安全结构的一部分,
103and that part of having a nuclear deterrent is literally that, to deter from war, deter拥有核威慑力量的这一部分实际上就是:为了威慑战争,威慑
104from aggression.从侵略。
105The restatement of the deterrent policy is consistent with the nuclear non-proliferation重新阐述威慑政策符合核不扩散
106treaty, which the noble Lord will know that the UK is allowed to have weapons under.贵族们会知道 英国被允许拥有武器
107My Lords, following on from what the Minister has just been very helpfully saying, in relation阁下,根据部长刚才非常有帮助的话,
108to our own United Kingdom nuclear defence capability, we have seen just this week that我们本周看到,联合王国拥有核防御能力。
109between 400 and 500 jobs will be put at risk at the atomic weapons establishment.400至500个工作将面临原子武器机构的风险。
110The Government政府
111claim that the workforce needs to be reshaped so that it is fit for the future, but surely声称需要重新塑造劳动力,使之适合未来,但肯定
112in a time of growing international insecurity can the noble Lord confirm that there will在日益严重的国际不安全时期,尊贵的领主能够证实,
113be absolutely no reduction in staffing for our nuclear weapons capability?绝对不削减我们的核武器能力?
114What I can confirm is that there will be no reduction in our capability of ensuring that我可以证实的是,我们确保
115the nuclear deterrent is effective and that it remains seven days a week, 365 days a year* 核威慑是有效的,每周7天,每年365天;
116and 24 hours a day, and that is the commitment that the Government makes.这是政府的承诺。
117I hear what she我听到她的话
118says about the AWE, and that is looking at reshaping how that important body works, but说到AWE, 这是在研究如何重塑 重要的身体工作,但。
119the Government have committed £31 billion to the Dreadnought programme, with a £10政府承诺向 " Dreadnought " 方案提供310亿英镑,其中包括10英镑。
120billion contingency.10亿意外开支。
121We have committed £15 billion in this Parliament to the development我们在这个议会中承诺了150亿英镑用于发展
122of a new warhead.一个新的弹头。
123That is a Government that has committed, as the last Government did,这个政府同上届政府一样承诺,
124to spending billions of pounds on maintaining the credibility of our nuclear deterrent,花费数十亿英镑来维持我们核威慑的公信力,
125which is essential, as I said in answer to the noble Lord's question, to the global正如我在回答尊贵的上帝的问题时所说,对于全球而言,这一点至关重要。
126security of the world.保护世界安全。
127I draw, Your Lordships' House, attention to my entry in the Register of Interests, particularly阁下,我提请大家注意我在《利益登记册》中的条目,特别是:
128as the Vice-Chair of the Nuclear Threat Initiative, of which I am a consultant as well.作为核威胁倡议副主席,我也是该倡议的顾问。
129As every与往常一样
130European NATO member has ratified the 1996 Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, in addition to a欧洲北约成员除了批准了1996年《禁止核试验条约》外,还批准了1996年《禁止核试验条约》。
1312006, the commitment by the five nuclear weapon states to the CTBT was absolutely essential2006年,五个核武器国家对《全面禁试条约》的承诺是绝对必要的。
132to the indefinite extension of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1995.1995年无限期延长《不扩散核武器条约》。
133My noble我的贵族
134friend the Minister will be aware that former US officials who have had responsibility for朋友,部长会知道,美国前官员
135their nuclear arsenal have stated publicly that new US nuclear tests are unnecessary,它们的核武库公开声明,美国没有必要进行新的核试验,
136unwise and unwelcome.不明智和不受欢迎。
137As those officials have, has our Government assessed the impact on正如这些官员所做的那样,我国政府是否评估了对人权的影响?
138the NPT's future if there are renewed explosive nuclear tests by any of the five, including《不扩散条约》的未来,如果五个国家中的任何一个国家重新进行爆炸性核试验,包括
139both the US and the UK?美国和英国?
140As I have said, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is an essential part of the Government's正如我说过的,《核不扩散条约》是我国政府的基本组成部分。
141policy.政策。
142We remain committed under that treaty to the aspiration of a nuclear-free world,根据该条约,我们仍然致力于实现无核武器世界的愿望,
143which may seem a long way off at the present time, but that is the aspiration that we have.但这正是我们的愿望。
144All I can say with respect to this is to reiterate again the complete commitment that the Government对此,我只能重申政府的全面承诺。
145have to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to the meeting next year in New York.明年在纽约举行的会议。
146What什麽?
147we want to see is that conference being a success.我们希望看到这次会议取得成功。
148Let me say to my noble friend that the UK remains an active participation in all of让我对我的贵族朋友说,联合王国仍然积极参与所有
149the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty forums, alongside the commitment to maintain for as《不扩散核武器条约》论坛,以及承诺保持
150long as it is necessary our nuclear deterrent.只要有必要,我们的核威慑。
151The commitment we also have to that Nuclear我们对核力量的承诺
152Non-Proliferation Treaty is important as well, and I think that is good UK Government policy.不扩散 《条约》也很重要,我认为这是联合王国政府的良好政策。
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