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| 0:00 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 0:03 | I'm Charlotte Gallagher. | 我是夏洛特・加拉格 |
| 0:04 | And today we're joined by | 今天我们一起 |
| 0:06 | our Russia analyst Vitaly Shevchenko. | 我们的俄罗斯分析师维塔利·舍甫琴科。 |
| 0:09 | And Vitaly, a Russian warship has been carrying out drills | 维塔利,一艘俄国军舰在进行演习 |
| 0:13 | off the coast of Britain. | 在不列颠海岸 |
| 0:15 | This isn't the first time this has happened. | 这不是第一次了 |
| 0:17 | So what's going on? | 发生什么事了? |
| 0:19 | Well, first off, I'd like to reassure you, Charlotte, that Britain is not about to be invaded | 首先我要向你保证 夏洛特 英国不会被入侵 |
| 0:26 | by Russia. | 由俄罗斯。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 2 | I'm Charlotte Gallagher. | 我是夏洛特・加拉格 |
| 3 | And today we're joined by | 今天我们一起 |
| 4 | our Russia analyst Vitaly Shevchenko. | 我们的俄罗斯分析师维塔利·舍甫琴科。 |
| 5 | And Vitaly, a Russian warship has been carrying out drills | 维塔利,一艘俄国军舰在进行演习 |
| 6 | off the coast of Britain. | 在不列颠海岸 |
| 7 | This isn't the first time this has happened. | 这不是第一次了 |
| 8 | So what's going on? | 发生什么事了? |
| 9 | Well, first off, I'd like to reassure you, Charlotte, that Britain is not about to be invaded | 首先我要向你保证 夏洛特 英国不会被入侵 |
| 10 | by Russia. | 由俄罗斯。 |
| 11 | At least I don't really see what happened on Monday as a sign of a possible | 至少我并不认为周一发生的事 是可能发生的 |
| 12 | Russian invasion. | 俄罗斯入侵. |
| 13 | There's nothing unusual, strictly speaking, about Russian warships | 严格地说,俄国的军舰没什么不寻常的 |
| 14 | to be present in the English Channel. | 将出席英吉利海峡。 |
| 15 | They've been doing it for years, usually normally transiting | 他们已经做了好几年了 通常在转弯 |
| 16 | elsewhere on their way to hold their exercises at a different location. | 在别的地方举行演习 |
| 17 | What makes this incident much more serious is the fact that this warship, the Neostrashimiy, | 更严重的是 这艘战舰,新星号, |
| 18 | or the Indomitable in Russian, decided to hold live fire exercises just 40 miles, | 或俄語不可忍者, 决定举行40英里的实弹演习, |
| 19 | nautical miles south of Plymouth. | 普利茅斯以南一海里处. |
| 20 | That is rare. | 这是罕见的。 |
| 21 | That is unusual. | 这是不寻常的。 |
| 22 | And I think it's right for | 我认为这是正确的 |
| 23 | numerous analysts to be wondering what is going on. | 许多分析家想知道发生了什么。 |
| 24 | So there's clearly a message there, I think, | 因此,有一个明显的信息,我想, |
| 25 | because it happened on the day when a new prime minister took office in the UK. | 因为这发生在新首相在英国上任的那天 |
| 26 | Even though the | 虽然 |
| 27 | government denied it, they said, well, there's no message. | 政府否认了 他们说没有消息 |
| 28 | We note Andy Burnham's policy of | 我们注意到安迪·伯纳姆的政策是 |
| 29 | supporting Ukraine, but it wasn't our intention to drop any hints with the live fire exercise. | 支持乌克兰,但我们并不打算 放弃任何暗示与实弹演习。 |
| 30 | So why did they do it? | 那他们为什么要这么做? |
| 31 | Well, it's part of what's called military posture. | 这是所谓的军事姿态的一部分 |
| 32 | They want to send a | 他们想送一个 |
| 33 | message. | 留言。 |
| 34 | The other side of it, if you like, is testing your adversaries' responses, what they | 另一边,如果你喜欢, 测试你的对手的反应,他们是什么 |
| 35 | are willing and able to do in response to such actions. | 愿意并能够对这种行动作出反应。 |
| 36 | And I have to say that the Neostrashima | 我必须说,新星岛 |
| 37 | did not enter Britain's territorial waters. | 没有进入英国的领海。 |
| 38 | It didn't really break any international laws. | 它并没有真正违反任何国际法。 |
| 39 | So on the one hand, this is unusual. | 所以一方面,这是不寻常的。 |
| 40 | This is serious. | 这是严重的。 |
| 41 | But on the other hand, it's not a sign | 但另一方面,这不是一个征兆 |
| 42 | of an imminent invasion. | 即将发生的入侵。 |
| 43 | Last week, Poland scrambled fighter jets because they spotted | 上周波兰喷气式战斗机出现 |
| 44 | Russian aircraft over the Baltic. | 俄国飞机飞越波罗的海. |
| 45 | So are lots of these exercises, I guess Russia would call them, | 我想俄罗斯会称之为这些练习 |
| 46 | being carried out near NATO territory? | - 在北约领土附近进行? |
| 47 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 48 | Russia has a long time | 俄罗斯很长一段时间 |
| 49 | well-rooted policy of carrying out all sorts of flights, surveillance flights and flights | 执行各种飞行、监视飞行和飞行的政策根深蒂固 |
| 50 | involving huge bombers called bears in NATO terminology, would just fly and again send a | 在北约的名词里 包括大型轰炸机 叫做熊 只会飞 然后再次发出 |
| 51 | message to whatever country they happen to be flying next to. | 向任何他们碰巧在旁边飞行的国家发出信息。 |
| 52 | It can be Britain, it can be | 它可以是英国,它可以是 |
| 53 | the United States. | 美国。 |
| 54 | These flights resumed under Vladimir Putin in 2007. | 2007年这些航班在弗拉基米尔·普京的领导下恢复. |
| 55 | And he said, well, our | 他说,好吧,我们的 |
| 56 | pilots have been sitting idle for too long. | 飞行员闲置太久了 |
| 57 | Let them stretch their wings and do some flights. | 让他们伸展翅膀 做一些飞行。 |
| 58 | But you will appreciate, Charlotte, it's a more serious activity than just stretching your wings. | 但你会感激的 夏洛特 这比伸展翅膀更严重 |
| 59 | Again, it tests what NATO is prepared to do in response. | 它再次考验北约组织准备采取什么对策。 |
| 60 | It sends a message of being there, | 它发出一个信息 在那里, |
| 61 | being present, and it costs money. | 在现场,它需要钱。 |
| 62 | Scrambling those jets requires a lot of training, fuel | 喷气机需要很多训练 燃料 |
| 63 | and preparedness. | 和准备。 |
| 64 | So NATO air forces, they've got to be prepared as well, looking at the skies, | 所以北约的空军 也必须做好准备 看天空 |
| 65 | searching for those Russian bears. | 寻找那些俄国熊。 |
| 66 | Do other countries do this? | 其他国家会这样做吗? |
| 67 | So would Moscow say NATO is | 莫斯科也会说北约是 |
| 68 | holding exercises too close to Russian territory, for example? | 例如,在俄罗斯领土附近举行演习? |
| 69 | Oh, everyone does it. | 哦,每个人都这样做。 |
| 70 | No military in | 没有军队 |
| 71 | the world worth their salt is sitting at home, twiddling their thumbs, waiting for that knock | 这世界值得他们的盐坐在家里, 扭动他们的拇指,等待那敲门 |
| 72 | at the door from whoever they consider to be their enemies or adversaries. | 在门前,凡他们认为自己是敌人或敌人的, |
| 73 | NATO conducts exercises | 北约举行演习 |
| 74 | in the Arctic and the Baltic before the war in Ukraine. | 乌克兰战争前的北极和波罗的海 |
| 75 | They held exercises called sea breeze | 他们举行叫做海微风的演习 |
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| 77 | Of course, whoever is watching these exercises, other countries from adversaries, | 当然,无论是谁在看这些演习 其他国家从对手, |
| 78 | they're not going to be happy. | 他们不会快乐的 |
| 79 | They will make upset noises. | 它们会发出不安的声音。 |
| 80 | It's part of the course. | 入道场中. |
| 81 | It's a game, | 这是一个游戏, |
| 82 | if you like, played by militaries across the world. | 如果你喜欢的话,由世界各地的军方演奏。 |
| 83 | Naturally, when it comes to Russia, | 自然,当涉及到俄罗斯时, |
| 84 | again, it's different because there are exercises, there are messages, there are signaled intentions | 因为有练习,有信息,有意向 |
| 85 | and threats, and there are real invasions. | 和威胁, 有真正的入侵。 |
| 86 | Russia, as you will know, is involved in a very | 如你所知,俄罗斯卷入了 |
| 87 | real, long-running, lethal invasion. | 真正的,长期的,致命的入侵。 |
| 88 | That's why when people see all these exercises involving | 这就是为什么当人们看到所有这些 练习涉及 |
| 89 | Russia and these flights and just Russian ships involved in activities that seem suspicious, | 俄国和这些航班 以及俄国船只 都参与了可疑的活动 |
| 90 | they are concerned that Russia might be up to something. | 他们担心俄罗斯可能会出事 |
| 91 | I'll give an example. | 我举个例子 |
| 92 | Earlier this | 之前这个 |
| 93 | year, the then British Secretary of Defense, John Healy, he said that Russia was involved in | 时任英国国防部长约翰·希利表示,俄罗斯参与了 |
| 94 | suspicious activities around pipelines and cables on the seabed near Britain. | 在英国附近海底的管道和电缆周围的可疑活动。 |
| 95 | It's true | 没错 |
| 96 | that the Russian Defense Ministry has a special department called GUGI, which stands for | 俄罗斯国防部有一个名为GUGI的特别部门,代表 |
| 97 | Deep Sea Research Department. | 深海研究部. |
| 98 | They have things like submarines equipped with literal scissors | 他们有潜水艇 装有剪刀 |
| 99 | that can cut cables. | 可以切断电缆 |
| 100 | When GUGI ships spend some time near these cables, to people watching | 当GUGI的船 在这些电缆附近度过一段时间, 给观看的人 |
| 101 | on, this time seems to be so long that they will be asking questions. | 这次似乎太长了,他们会问问题 |
| 102 | That sounds very James Bond, I have to say, Vitaly, the idea of these scissors connected to a ship | 这听起来非常詹姆斯邦德,我不得不说,维塔利, 这些剪刀的想法连接到一艘船上 |
| 103 | under sea. | 在海底。 海底。 |
| 104 | Now, what do you think this says about the state of relations with Moscow and the West, | 现在,你觉得这上面写了什么 关于与莫斯科和西方的关系状况, |
| 105 | and then also the prospect, as you mentioned, Ukraine, of any kind of peace in Ukraine, | 以及你们提到的乌克兰在乌克兰的任何和平前景, |
| 106 | any kind of peace deal? | 任何和平协议? |
| 107 | The state of relations is dire. | 关系状况十分严峻。 |
| 108 | Moscow says that in certain aspects, | 莫斯科说,在某些方面, |
| 109 | with certain countries, it doesn't exist. | 与某些国家,它不存在。 |
| 110 | They don't talk to each other. | 他们不互相交谈。 |
| 111 | It's hardly surprising | 一点都不奇怪 |
| 112 | given what Russia has been doing. | 鉴于俄罗斯一直在做。 |
| 113 | Whatever reasons Russia gives for attacking Ukraine, | 无论俄罗斯为攻击乌克兰提出什么理由, |
| 114 | the fact remains that Russian troops crossed an internationally recognized border and are still | 俄罗斯军队越过国际公认的边界,至今仍然 |
| 115 | attacking an independent state. | 攻击一个独立国家。 |
| 116 | The intention, as we can understand it, and I've been watching | 意图,我们可以理解, 我一直在看 |
| 117 | Kremlin messaging for 25 years, the intention seems to be to crush Ukraine as a sovereign and | 克里姆林宫25年的讯息 似乎意在粉碎乌克兰作为一个主权和 |
| 118 | independent state. | 独立的国家。 |
| 119 | Western nations have given the Russian president very little reason to reconsider | 西方国家给俄罗斯总统 考虑的理由很少 |
| 120 | his campaign. | 他的竞选。 |
| 121 | In fact, it was emboldened by an almost complete phasing out end to American aid | 事实上,美国的援助几乎完全停止,这更加大胆了。 |
| 122 | to Ukraine. | 前往乌克兰。 |
| 123 | Why would he stop if he, I suspect strongly, if he thought that he's doing so well | 他为什么停下来呢? 如果他,我强烈怀疑, 如果他觉得他做的很好 |
| 124 | and Ukraine is about to fall? | 乌克兰即将沦陷? |
| 125 | The only reason why he might be feeling a bit more concerned right now | 他现在可能更担心的唯一原因 |
| 126 | is Ukraine's campaign of drone strikes. | 乌克兰发动无人机袭击 |
| 127 | Again, I don't think we are at a stage when Vladimir Putin | 再说一遍,我认为我们没有进入弗拉基米尔·普京的阶段 |
| 128 | will think that his policy towards Ukraine and his expansionist and | 他对乌克兰的政策 以及他的扩张主义者 |
| 129 | very obvious policy across the world involving various exercises, we're not at a stage when | 全世界非常明显的政策 涉及各种练习, 我们没有进入一个阶段 |
| 130 | he will think, you know what, it's not working. | 他会认为,你知道, 它没有工作。 |
| 131 | I've got to stop all that. | 我必须停止这一切。 |
| 132 | Vitaly, thanks so much. | 维塔利,非常感谢 |
| 133 | That was Vitaly Shevchenko. | 那是维塔利·舍甫琴科 |
| 134 | And this is the Global News Podcast. | 这是全球新闻播客。 |
| 135 | And if you'd like to hear more from us, please click the link. | 请点击链接。 |
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