7-7 俄罗斯轰炸基辅之际，乌克兰防空力量告急。 | BBC
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| 0:00 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 0:02 | Hello. | 哈罗 |
| 0:04 | And today we're joined by our Eastern Europe correspondent | 今天我们与我们的东欧通讯员 |
| 0:07 | Sarah Rainsford in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev. | 乌克兰首都基辅的萨拉·兰斯福德. |
| 0:10 | And Sarah, another night of deadly Russian attacks. | 还有莎拉,又一个俄罗斯致命袭击的夜晚 |
| 0:14 | And you've witnessed some of that destruction yourself. | 你亲眼目睹了这些破坏 |
| 0:17 | Yeah, and the second deadly night, | 是啊,第二个致命的夜晚, |
| 0:20 | the second very frightening night in a week, | 一周内第二个非常可怕的夜晚, |
| 0:22 | which is significant in itself. | 这本身很重要。 |
| 0:24 | You don't normally get such large scale attacks coming | 你通常不会遇到如此大规模的攻击 |
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| 1 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 2 | Hello. | 哈罗 |
| 3 | And today we're joined by our Eastern Europe correspondent | 今天我们与我们的东欧通讯员 |
| 4 | Sarah Rainsford in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev. | 乌克兰首都基辅的萨拉·兰斯福德. |
| 5 | And Sarah, another night of deadly Russian attacks. | 还有莎拉,又一个俄罗斯致命袭击的夜晚 |
| 6 | And you've witnessed some of that destruction yourself. | 你亲眼目睹了这些破坏 |
| 7 | Yeah, and the second deadly night, | 是啊,第二个致命的夜晚, |
| 8 | the second very frightening night in a week, | 一周内第二个非常可怕的夜晚, |
| 9 | which is significant in itself. | 这本身很重要。 |
| 10 | You don't normally get such large scale attacks coming | 你通常不会遇到如此大规模的攻击 |
| 11 | in such rapid succession. | 如此迅速的继承。 |
| 12 | So yeah, a bad night again for people here in Kiev. | 对,对基辅的人来说又是一个糟糕的夜晚 |
| 13 | And we've been down to the scene of one of the missile strikes. | 我们已经到了导弹袭击的现场。 |
| 14 | And essentially what we saw was a big nine story apartment | 基本上我们看到的是一个九大故事公寓 |
| 15 | building with a hole smashed in the middle of it. | 建筑有一个洞 砸在中间。 |
| 16 | You can see right through to the other side. | 你可以看透另一边 |
| 17 | And there were massive slabs of concrete | 还有一大块混凝土 |
| 18 | that were hanging down. | 被挂下来。 |
| 19 | There were big pieces of machinery, cranes and diggers | 有很多机器、起重机和挖掘机 |
| 20 | working at the scene with rescue teams there. | 在现场与救援队合作 |
| 21 | Trying to move their way through the rubble, | 试图穿过废墟, |
| 22 | through the ruins of this apartment block, | 穿过这个公寓的废墟, |
| 23 | to see if they could find anybody still trapped beneath. | 看看有没有人被困在地下 |
| 24 | And there were lots of people, lots | 还有很多人,很多人 |
| 25 | of residents standing around, some of them in tears. | 他们中有哭的, |
| 26 | One woman, we were told, was waiting | 听说有个女人在等 |
| 27 | for news of two relatives who were still | 关于两个亲戚的消息, |
| 28 | somewhere in all of that rubble. | 在那些废墟里 |
| 29 | And another woman, we were told, had an elderly relative | 另一个女人,我们被告知, 有一个老年亲戚 |
| 30 | inside the building who she couldn't get through to | 她无法联系到的大楼里 |
| 31 | and couldn't find. | 却找不到 |
| 32 | So obviously, lots of really devastated people. | 很明显,有很多人被摧毁了。 |
| 33 | This war has been draining. | 这场战争已经耗尽。 |
| 34 | It's more than four years long. | 长四余年. |
| 35 | But the aerial attacks by Russia are becoming more intense, | 但俄国的空袭越来越激烈 |
| 36 | more frequent. | 更频繁。 |
| 37 | And also, they're really quite clearly focused now | 而且,他们现在真的 相当清晰的焦点 |
| 38 | on Kiev, on Ukraine's capital. | 乌克兰首都基辅 |
| 39 | And it does feel like a slight shift point in this war | 在这场战争中,感觉就像一个小转变点 |
| 40 | in terms of the intensity of those attacks. | 这些攻击的强度。 |
| 41 | Yeah, the air war being fought with a mixture of drones | 对,空战是用无人机混合的 |
| 42 | and missiles, but Ukrainians are saying more Russian missiles | 导弹,但乌克兰人在说更多的俄罗斯导弹 |
| 43 | are getting through. | 正在通过。 |
| 44 | What's going on there? | 这是怎么回事? |
| 45 | So Russia has changed the way it's attacking Ukraine recently. | 所以俄罗斯最近改变了攻击乌克兰的方式. |
| 46 | So in recent months, we would have | 所以在最近几个月里 我们本可以 |
| 47 | been reporting on huge swarms of drones | 报道了大批无人机 |
| 48 | coming across the border from Russia. | 从俄罗斯越过边境 |
| 49 | It could be hundreds of drones at a time, | 一次可能是数百架无人机 |
| 50 | and then a small number of missiles. | 然后是少量导弹 |
| 51 | So the drones would overwhelm the air defenses. | 所以无人机会压倒防空系统 |
| 52 | They would also hit targets here. | 他们也会击中这里的目标。 |
| 53 | But then the missiles would come through channels | 但导弹会通过渠道 |
| 54 | that had essentially been cleared for them | 基本上已经为他们清除的地雷 |
| 55 | to hit targets here in Ukraine. | 攻击乌克兰的目标 |
| 56 | Ukraine was pretty much able to cope with that to some degree. | 乌克兰在某种程度上几乎能够应付这种情况。 |
| 57 | But now what we're seeing is fewer drones and far more | 但是现在我们看到的是 无人机数量更少 数量更多 |
| 58 | missiles. | 导弹。 |
| 59 | And the problem for Ukraine is the ballistic missiles, | 乌克兰的问题是弹道导弹, |
| 60 | which travel really, really fast, thousands of miles | 旅行非常,非常快速, 数千英里 |
| 61 | an hour. | 一个小时 |
| 62 | They go very high and come down very quickly to ground. | 它们飞得非常高 飞得很快 |
| 63 | It's extremely difficult to intercept those, | 截住这些很难 |
| 64 | and especially difficult if you don't have, for example, | 尤其困难 如果你没有,例如, |
| 65 | the US-made Patriot missile systems, which Ukraine does | 乌克兰制造的爱国者导弹系统 |
| 66 | have, but it has a dwindling number | 有,但它有一个不断减少的数字 |
| 67 | of those interceptor missiles to try | 这些拦截导弹 |
| 68 | to shoot the ballistic weapons out of the skies. | 把弹道武器射出天空 |
| 69 | And so Ukraine has been calling for its allies | 所以乌克兰一直呼吁盟国 |
| 70 | to provide them as quickly as possible. | 尽快提供 |
| 71 | It's been asking for that for months and months. | 它已经问了好几个月了 |
| 72 | A lot of those missiles, though, have | 不过,很多导弹 |
| 73 | been used by the US and Israel against Iran in the war there. | 被美国和以色列用来对抗伊朗 在那里的战争。 |
| 74 | That means fewer of those missiles available for Ukraine. | 这意味着可供乌克兰使用的导弹数量减少。 |
| 75 | And now we're beginning, I think, to really see | 现在我们开始,我想,真的看到 |
| 76 | the impact of that. | 影响。 |
| 77 | Are they specifically targeting residential buildings? | 它们是否专门针对住宅建筑? |
| 78 | Are they going after military infrastructure in Kiev? | 他们在基辅找军事基础设施吗? |
| 79 | It's impossible to answer that question. | 无法回答这个问题。 |
| 80 | All I can say is that in four years of reporting on this war, | 我只能说,在四年 报告这场战争, |
| 81 | I have seen innumerable occasions of missiles | 我见过无数次导弹 |
| 82 | slamming directly into the side of buildings, drones too. | 直接撞到建筑物的一侧 无人机也一样 |
| 83 | Certainly, there are occasions when | 当然,有时 |
| 84 | Ukraine intercepts a missile or a drone, | 乌克兰拦截导弹或无人机, |
| 85 | and pieces of that weapon fall to the ground, | 武器碎片掉到地上 |
| 86 | and they cause fires. | 并引发火灾。 |
| 87 | They explode on impact sometimes. | 它们有时会在撞击时爆炸 |
| 88 | They cause terrible damage. | 他们造成了可怕的破坏。 |
| 89 | Sometimes missiles fall short, particularly | 有时导弹不足,特别是: |
| 90 | the ones closest to the border in places like Kharkiv, | 在哈尔科夫等地最靠近边境的人 |
| 91 | where they use a specific kind of weapon which | 他们使用某种武器 |
| 92 | is less accurate, less precise. | 更准确 更准确 |
| 93 | Now, Russia keeps putting out statements | 现在,俄罗斯不断发表声明 |
| 94 | saying it's using high-precision weaponry, | 说它使用高精度武器, |
| 95 | and it's only targeting military sites. | 它只针对军事地点。 |
| 96 | I'm sure that military targets are being hit here in Ukraine | 我敢肯定,军事目标 被击中在这里在乌克兰 |
| 97 | probably every time there's a massive attack. | 也许每次发生大规模袭击时 |
| 98 | But I'm also sure that there is a very, very large number | 但我也相信有非常,非常大的数量 |
| 99 | of civilians now who are losing their lives, | 牺牲的平民, |
| 100 | and it's impossible to say whether Russia just doesn't | 也不可能说俄罗斯是不是 |
| 101 | really care about where it hits, or whether it's falling short, | 真正关心它击中的地方, 或它是否落后, |
| 102 | whether it's making mistakes, whether those missiles are not | 无论它是否犯错, 是否那些导弹不是 |
| 103 | as accurate as Russia claims. | 和俄罗斯说的一样准确 |
| 104 | But clearly, the impact on the ground is enormous. | 但显然,对地面的影响是巨大的。 |
| 105 | Yeah, and is it having an effect on the morale of people | 是的,这是否对人们的士气有影响? |
| 106 | in the Ukrainian capital? | 在乌克兰首都? |
| 107 | I think it does. | 我想是这样 |
| 108 | If you don't sleep at night, if you're scared, | 如果你晚上不睡觉 如果你害怕 |
| 109 | if you have to run and spend the night in a metro station | 如果你得在地铁站过夜 |
| 110 | underground or in the basement of your building, | 在地下或在你的地下室, |
| 111 | perhaps sleeping in your car or lying on the concrete, | 也许睡在你的车里 或躺在水泥上, |
| 112 | then it does begin to drain you. | 然后它开始消耗你。 |
| 113 | And I think we have seen that here over the years. | 我认为我们已经看到这一点 多年来在这里。 |
| 114 | I mean, the mood here, every time I come, | 我的意思是,这里的情绪, 每次我来了, |
| 115 | the mood is something slightly different. | 心情有点不同 |
| 116 | I arrived here at a time when all the talk was | 我来到这里的时候,所有的谈话是 |
| 117 | about Ukrainian drone strikes on Russia. | 乌克兰无人机袭击俄罗斯 |
| 118 | So Ukraine has really increased the number of drones | 所以乌克兰真的增加了无人机的数量 |
| 119 | that it's launching against targets inside Russia. | 攻击俄国境内的目标 |
| 120 | And we've seen oil refineries being hit in Russia, | 我们看到俄罗斯的炼油厂受到冲击 |
| 121 | for example, in Moscow, in the capital, | 例如,在首都莫斯科, |
| 122 | and also St. Petersburg. | 还有圣彼得堡。 |
| 123 | Some of those oil refineries were hit | 一些炼油厂被击中 |
| 124 | just as Vladimir Putin opened his real showcase | 就像弗拉基米尔·普京打开他真正的展示 |
| 125 | economic forum called SPIF up in St. Petersburg | 在圣彼得堡举办名为SPIF的经济论坛 |
| 126 | a few weeks ago. | 几个星期前 |
| 127 | So really dramatic scenes. | 非常戏剧性的场景。 |
| 128 | Now, of course, that really worries Russia, | 现在,当然, 这真的令俄罗斯担心, |
| 129 | but here in Ukraine, it was a big boost to the mood | 但是在乌克兰,这大大刺激了情绪 |
| 130 | because they felt like they were having an impact, | 因为他们觉得自己有影响 |
| 131 | hitting back, if you like, at Russia. | 如果你喜欢的话 在俄罗斯打回击 |
| 132 | And then in response, what we've seen | 作为回应,我们看到的 |
| 133 | is the massive escalation of the attacks in Ukraine, | 乌克兰境内袭击的大规模升级, |
| 134 | and particularly those ballistic missile attacks. | 特别是那些弹道导弹袭击。 |
| 135 | They cause the kinds of casualties | 他们造成各种伤亡 |
| 136 | that you don't see in Russia. | 在俄罗斯你看不到。 |
| 137 | So it is a really difficult time for Ukrainians, | 因此,对于乌克兰人来说,这是一个非常困难的时刻, |
| 138 | again, once more. | 再来一次 |
| 139 | And at the moment, I suppose, | 现在我想 |
| 140 | a big problem is that there's no obvious end to this. | 一个大的问题是,没有明显的结局。 |
| 141 | The peace negotiations have stalled. | 和平谈判停滞不前。 |
| 142 | There's no sign that Vladimir Putin wants to come | 没有迹象表明弗拉基米尔·普京想来 |
| 143 | and talk peace with President Zelensky. | 和泽连斯基总统谈和 |
| 144 | It's just not happening. | 只是没发生 |
| 145 | President Trump has not been involved. | 川普总统没有参与其中. |
| 146 | The Americans have kind of stepped back from the process | 美国人已经退缩了 |
| 147 | during the war in Iran. | 伊朗战争期间 |
| 148 | So there's no real indication | 所以没有真正的迹象 |
| 149 | that things are going to get better any time soon. | 随时会好起来的 |
| 150 | And as well as targeting the Russian hinterland, | 以及针对俄罗斯腹地, |
| 151 | Ukraine is also striking occupied Crimea, | 乌克兰还袭击了被占领的克里米亚, |
| 152 | trying to hit President Putin where it hurts. | 试图攻击普京总统, |
| 153 | Yeah, and that's another kind of interesting development | 是啊,这是另一种有趣的发展 |
| 154 | in this war in the last few weeks, certainly. | 在过去的几周里,在这场战争中, |
| 155 | And it's something we've been focusing on | 而这是我们一直关注的 |
| 156 | in our reporting over the last few days. | 我们过去几天的报告。 |
| 157 | Because I think it's fair to say | 因为我觉得应该说 |
| 158 | Crimea really matters to Vladimir Putin. | 克里米亚对弗拉基米尔·普京很重要。 |
| 159 | It is a peninsula that belonged to Ukraine | 这是一个属于乌克兰的半岛 |
| 160 | that was annexed illegally by Russia back in 2014. | 2014年被俄罗斯非法吞并。 |
| 161 | And I was living and working in Russia soon after that. | 之后我又在俄罗斯生活和工作 |
| 162 | And I remember every single year, | 我记得每一年, |
| 163 | the concerts that were staged to celebrate | 为了庆祝而举办的音乐会 |
| 164 | what Russia presented as the return, | 俄国提出的回报, |
| 165 | the historic return of almost sacred land | 几乎神圣土地的历史性回归 |
| 166 | to the Russian Federation. | 临时代办 |
| 167 | Now, of course, that wasn't true, it wasn't accurate, | 当然,那不是真的,不准确 |
| 168 | but it's how it was presented. | 但它是如何呈现的。 |
| 169 | And the takeover of Crimea was very much | 对克里米亚的收购非常严重 |
| 170 | a huge success story for Vladimir Putin. | 对弗拉基米尔·普京来说, |
| 171 | It was very popular inside Russia. | 它在俄罗斯很受欢迎。 |
| 172 | And it was one of the kind of foundation stones | 它是一种基础石 |
| 173 | of his very, very long rule in that country. | 他在该国统治了很久 |
| 174 | And so what Ukraine is doing now is targeting sites, | 因此,乌克兰现在正在做的是针对地点, |
| 175 | military sites and energy infrastructure inside Crimea, | 克里米亚境内的军事场地和能源基础设施, |
| 176 | partly because of the military logistics | 部分原因是军事后勤 |
| 177 | that it's hitting, partly because Crimea is really important | 部分是因为克里米亚很重要 |
| 178 | to Russia in waging its war on Ukraine, | 对俄罗斯发动对乌克兰的战争, |
| 179 | but also because it matters so much to Putin himself. | 也因为这对普京本人很重要 |
| 180 | I think anything that challenges the kind of building blocks | 我认为任何挑战这种构件的东西 |
| 181 | of Putin's rule is something that Ukraine wants to do. | 普京的统治是乌克兰想要做的事情。 |
| 182 | And they do feel that when people in Crimea | 他们确实感觉到 当克里米亚人 |
| 183 | that we've been speaking to are talking about blackouts, | 我们一直在谈论停电, |
| 184 | they're talking about fuel shortages, | 他们谈论燃料短缺, |
| 185 | you see queues of cars trying to get off Crimea | 你看见有排队的汽车试图离开克里米亚 |
| 186 | across the bridge that Putin had built into Russia. | 穿过普京建进俄罗斯的桥 |
| 187 | Then I think that does eat away at this myth | 那么我觉得这个神话会消逝 |
| 188 | of Putin the protector and Putin the great statesman | 保护者普京 伟大的政治家普京 |
| 189 | who can point to Crimea as a success story. | 他可以指: 克里米亚的成功故事 |
| 190 | So that's what Crimea is trying to do. | 克里米亚就想这么做 |
| 191 | And I do think it's having a degree of success with that. | 我确实认为它有一定程度的成功。 |
| 192 | Meanwhile, Russia is continuing its grinding effort | 与此同时,俄罗斯正在继续其磨练努力 |
| 193 | to try to capture the whole of the Donbass, | 试图捕捉整个唐巴斯人, |
| 194 | that eastern region of Ukraine. | 乌克兰的东部地区 |
| 195 | The narrative recently has been that Ukraine | 最近的报道是乌克兰 |
| 196 | have been pushing back, but I understand Russia | 一直往后推 但我理解俄罗斯 |
| 197 | claiming some advances here and Ukraine saying | 声称这里有一些进步 乌克兰说 |
| 198 | they are still fighting. | 他们还在战斗 |
| 199 | Yeah, it's interesting. | 是啊,这是有趣的。 |
| 200 | I mean, the aerial war is obviously at a level | 我的意思是,空中战争显然是一个层面 |
| 201 | that we've never seen before in this war. | 我们从未见过的这场战争。 |
| 202 | So the war in the skies is really dominating everything, | 所以天空的战争 真正支配一切, |
| 203 | but also what people are talking about. | 也是人们在谈论的 |
| 204 | But yeah, on the ground, obviously, | 但是,在地面上,很明显, |
| 205 | all the way along the frontline, the grueling, deadly, | 沿着前线, 令人发指,致命的, |
| 206 | really painful fighting still goes on. | 真正痛苦的战斗仍在继续。 |
| 207 | And what we've seen recently, | 我们最近所看到的 |
| 208 | and I think it's important the timing of this | 我觉得时间很重要 |
| 209 | ahead of the NATO summit in Ankara this week, | 在北约本周安卡拉首脑会议之前, |
| 210 | what we've seen is Russia come out | 我们看到的是俄罗斯出来 |
| 211 | and have Vladimir Putin in his military uniform | 弗拉基米尔·普京穿着军服 |
| 212 | meeting with his military commanders, | 会见他的军事指挥官, |
| 213 | declaring that the town of Konstantinovka | 宣布康斯坦丁诺夫卡镇 |
| 214 | has been liberated by Russia. | 被俄国解放了 |
| 215 | Now that matters because it is a kind of gateway town. | 现在,这很重要,因为它是 一种门户城镇。 |
| 216 | Beyond Konstantinovka, you have really important places | 除了康斯坦丁诺夫卡 你还有很重要的地方 |
| 217 | like Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. | 就像克拉马斯特克和斯拉维扬斯克 |
| 218 | And if those fall, then the way through | 如果那些掉下来,那就走过去 |
| 219 | to taking the entirety of the Donbass is basically cleared. | 把唐巴斯全部带走 基本上已经清除了 |
| 220 | So Vladimir Putin is telling his people | 弗拉基米尔·普京在告诉人民 |
| 221 | and telling the world that Konstantinovka is now Russian. | 告诉全世界康斯坦丁诺夫卡现在是俄罗斯人了 |
| 222 | Ukraine has come out very quickly and said, | 乌克兰很快地出来,说: |
| 223 | that's not the case. | 事实并非如此。 |
| 224 | They're still fighting for Konstantinovka. | 他们还在为康斯坦丁诺夫卡而战. |
| 225 | It hasn't fallen. | 未曾堕落. |
| 226 | And saying that this is part of the attempt | 说这是尝试的一部分 |
| 227 | to boost the Russian success story | 推动俄罗斯的成功故事 |
| 228 | ahead of those NATO talks, | 在北约会谈之前, |
| 229 | when, of course, Vladimir Zelensky will be in Ankara | 弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基何时会到安卡拉 |
| 230 | and so will Donald Trump, | 唐纳德·特朗普也一样 |
| 231 | and they'll be talking about Ukraine. | 他们将会谈论乌克兰。 |
| 232 | So Ukraine is pushing to try to tell the world | 因此,乌克兰正在推动 试图告诉世界 |
| 233 | that it's got the upper hand in this war. | 它在这场战争中占上风 |
| 234 | Russia is trying to push to do the same. | 俄罗斯试图推动同样的做法。 |
| 235 | And all the time, you've got this kind of | 一直以来,你都有这种 |
| 236 | suspended peace process, | 和平进程中止, |
| 237 | with nobody really wanting to come to the table | 和没有人真正想 来到桌子上 |
| 238 | and actually thrash out some kind of durable | 并实际上打出 某种持久 |
| 239 | and fair end to all of this fighting. | 和公平结束这一切战斗。 |
| 240 | Sarah 谢谢你 | |
| 241 | 萨拉·兰斯福德(Sarah Rainsford)在乌克兰首都基辅. | |
| 242 | And if you'd like to hear more from the Global News podcast, | 如果你想听听全球新闻播客的更多消息 |
| 243 | click the link below, but thanks for watching. | 点击下面的链接, 但谢谢观看 。 |
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