【剑桥辩论】决不为国王与国家而战 2026-10-23 [A
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:11 | Right. | 对 |
| 0:12 | Hello and welcome everyone to the third debate of the year. | 大家好 欢迎大家参加今年的第三次辩论 |
| 0:17 | Now, as usual, a few short | 现在,和往常一样, 几个短 |
| 0:19 | points from me before we get started. | 开始前我给的分数 |
| 0:22 | Firstly, a reminder that Union Ball tickets are selling | 首先,提醒你 联盟的球票正在出售 |
| 0:24 | fast so make sure to get your hands on one while you still can. | 动作快一点,趁你还来得及的时候 抓住一只手 |
| 0:28 | Don't say I didn't | 别说我没有 |
| 0:29 | warn you. | 警告你们 |
| 0:30 | Applications for the L. Arian Scholarship and Caledonian Prize are now closed so best | L.Arian奖学金和喀里多尼亚奖的申请现已终止,最好 |
| 0:35 | of luck to all those who applied. | 祝所有申请者好运。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Right. | 对 |
| 2 | Hello and welcome everyone to the third debate of the year. | 大家好 欢迎大家参加今年的第三次辩论 |
| 3 | Now, as usual, a few short | 现在,和往常一样, 几个短 |
| 4 | points from me before we get started. | 开始前我给的分数 |
| 5 | Firstly, a reminder that Union Ball tickets are selling | 首先,提醒你 联盟的球票正在出售 |
| 6 | fast so make sure to get your hands on one while you still can. | 动作快一点,趁你还来得及的时候 抓住一只手 |
| 7 | Don't say I didn't | 别说我没有 |
| 8 | warn you. | 警告你们 |
| 9 | Applications for the L. Arian Scholarship and Caledonian Prize are now closed so best | L.Arian奖学金和喀里多尼亚奖的申请现已终止,最好 |
| 10 | of luck to all those who applied. | 祝所有申请者好运。 |
| 11 | But fear not, applications for Deputy Returning Officer and | 但不要害怕,申请 副返回干事和 |
| 12 | Returning Officer opens in two days. | 归来官二日开. |
| 13 | So if you're interested in making sure our elections are fair | 所以,如果你有兴趣 确保我们的选举是公平的 |
| 14 | and competitive, now's your chance. | 和竞争,现在是你的机会。 |
| 15 | Finally, on your order papers that you should all have, | 最后,在你们订购的文件上,你们都应该有, |
| 16 | you'll see a QR code for our new members' memos form. | 你会看到一个QR代码 我们新成员的备忘录表格。 |
| 17 | If you have any thoughts on the topic at | 如果你对这个话题有任何想法,请在 |
| 18 | hand or on the delivery of this event, please feel free to fill it in so you can have your | 请随意填写,这样你就可以... |
| 19 | debates. | 辩论。 |
| 20 | Pretty sure that's everything. | 肯定就是这些 |
| 21 | Let's get started. | 让我们开始吧。 |
| 22 | So, same rules apply as usual, | 所以,同样的规则 一如既往, |
| 23 | ladies and gentlemen. | 女士们,先生们。 |
| 24 | All the speakers on the floor will have 10 minutes to give a speech in | 所有发言者将在10分钟内发言。 |
| 25 | proposition or opposition to the motion. | 提议或反对动议。 |
| 26 | Now, within these 10 minutes, you will have the right | 在这10分钟内 你有权 |
| 27 | to say point of information or on that point. | 说点信息 或关于这一点。 |
| 28 | They are at liberty to accept or reject your point. | 他们可以接受或拒绝你的观点。 |
| 29 | No back and forth as usual, please. | 不复如常前后请. |
| 30 | Now, finally, please no filming or recording this event. | 现在,最后,请不要拍摄或记录这个事件。 |
| 31 | We | 我们 |
| 32 | have trained professionals on cue. | 培养了专业人才 |
| 33 | So, as always, sit back and enjoy the moment. | 因此,一如既往,坐下来享受这一刻。 |
| 34 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 35 | The motion before the House this evening is this House would not fight for king and country, | 今晚在众议院提出的动议 是本议院不会为国王和国家而战 |
| 36 | and starting us off in proposition is Paul Ingram. | 开始我们的建议是保罗·英格拉姆 |
| 37 | Paul Ingram is a consultant for nuclear | 保罗·英格拉姆是核问题顾问 |
| 38 | disarmament diplomacy. | 裁军外交。 |
| 39 | He is co-director of the Global Stability Network, exploring tools | 他是全球稳定网络的共同负责人 探索工具 |
| 40 | of economic statecraft with the intention of establishing deeper mutual independence, | 旨在建立更深层次的相互独立的经济状态, |
| 41 | but as a more credible alternative to a mutual assured nuclear destruction. | 但作为相互有保证的核毁灭的更可信的替代办法。 |
| 42 | He is also a research | 他也是一个研究者 |
| 43 | affiliate at Cambridge University's Centre for the Study of Existential Risk and was director of | 剑桥大学生存风险研究中心附属公司,曾任 |
| 44 | the British American Security Information Council for 12 years. | 英国美国安全情报委员会12年 |
| 45 | He also sits on the England and Wales | 他也坐在英格兰和威尔士 |
| 46 | Green Party Council. | 绿党理事会. |
| 47 | Paul, you have the years of the House. | 保罗 你有家族的年号 |
| 48 | So, President, friends, we're in trouble. | 总统,朋友们,我们有麻烦了 |
| 49 | We are in serious trouble, and that trouble is many varied, all sorts of different dimensions. | 我们遇到了严重的麻烦,这种麻烦是多种多样的,各种各样的层面。 |
| 50 | We have, of course, climate change. | 当然,我们有气候变化。 |
| 51 | We have the increasing acceleration of artificial intelligence | 我们有越来越多的人工智能加速 |
| 52 | and other emerging disruptive technologies. | 以及其他新出现的破坏性技术。 |
| 53 | We have the capacity to create biological weapons of | 我们有制造生物武器的能力 |
| 54 | proportion, and the list can go on and on, and yet here we are debating about great wars, | 比例,列表可以继续, 然而我们在这里辩论 关于伟大的战争, |
| 55 | about wars between great powers and whether we should be fighting. | 关于大国之间的战争 还有我们是否应该战斗 |
| 56 | When we need to be cooperating, | 当我们需要合作时 |
| 57 | we need to be stopping our differences, even when those differences are difficult to handle, | 我们需要阻止我们的分歧, 即使这些分歧是难以处理的, |
| 58 | and we need to be trying to tackle these catastrophic risks. | 我们需要努力应对这些灾难性风险。 |
| 59 | So, the question before you is, would you fight for king and country? | 所以,你面前的问题是, 你会为国王和国家而战吗? |
| 60 | This is not a moral question. | 这不是道德问题。 |
| 61 | This is a question of obedience, a question of deference, a question of loyalty to the sovereign. | 这是一个服从的问题,一个服从的问题,一个忠于君主的问题. |
| 62 | It's an attachment to an old concept of international relations that goes back quite some | 这是对一个旧的国际关系概念的附着,它可以追溯到很多 |
| 63 | way, and if we were debating this in Russia, as I have done, not quite the same question, | 如果我们像以前一样 在俄罗斯辩论这个问题 问题就不一样了 |
| 64 | but similar questions, I would be having the same position. | 但类似的问题 我也有同样的立场 |
| 65 | The Russians should not be fighting | 俄国人不应该打架 |
| 66 | today. | 今时. |
| 67 | Would we be fighting for freedom and democracy? | 我们要为自由和民主而战吗? |
| 68 | Well, my question there is freedom | 我的问题是自由 |
| 69 | and democracy for whom? | 民主对谁而言? |
| 70 | The social contract in this country is pretty broken. | 这个国家的社会契约被打破了 |
| 71 | Public services | 公共服务 |
| 72 | are not what they used to be. | 和以前不一样 |
| 73 | People are surviving in all sorts of pretty poor housing conditions, | 人们生存在各种 相当糟糕的住房条件, |
| 74 | the health service is in crisis, but even a large proportion of you in this room will leave this | 医疗服务处于危机之中,但即使你们当中有很大一部分人会留下这个 |
| 75 | university and probably will not go into employment, education or training. | 可能不会进入就业、教育或培训。 |
| 76 | The economy is in a dire | 经济陷入困境 |
| 77 | state, and yet we, people of my generation, are asking people of your generation to risk your lives | 州,然而我们,我这一代人, 要求你这一代人冒着生命危险 |
| 78 | to go and fight for us. | 去为我们而战 |
| 79 | There is a phrase I often hear when I go to NATO headquarters in Brussels. | 当我去布鲁塞尔北约总部时,我经常听到一个词。 |
| 80 | It's a phrase that is frequently used by leaderships, and it's a phrase that is | 这是领导层经常使用的一个短语,它是一个短语 |
| 81 | through strength. | 通过力量。 |
| 82 | It's an idea that goes back through the centuries. | 这个想法可以追溯到几个世纪. |
| 83 | The problem with peace | 和平问题 |
| 84 | through strength is that actually it can be translated as dominate or be dominated. | 通过力量,它实际上可以 被翻译为支配或被支配。 |
| 85 | It sounds as if it's a balance, but it really isn't. | 这听起来就像一个平衡,但它真的不是。 |
| 86 | We are sold the idea of mutually assured | 我们被出卖了 互相保证的想法 |
| 87 | destruction, but the people who are responsible for delivering mutually assured destruction are | 但对相互保证的毁灭负有责任的人 |
| 88 | busy trying to find a way out, and they are planning to fight a nuclear war and win. | 忙于寻找出路,他们计划进行核战争并取得胜利。 |
| 89 | This is not the world that we need to be living in. | 这不是我们需要生活的世界。 |
| 90 | Meanwhile, across Europe, our political leaders | 同时,在欧洲,我们的政治领导人 |
| 91 | seem to be developing an attitude of deep preparation for militarism and then for war. | 似乎正在形成一种为军国主义和战争作深刻准备的态度。 |
| 92 | We are trapped in an arms race. | 我们陷入军备竞赛。 |
| 93 | It's exactly the same point that is made in Russia today. | 与今天俄罗斯提出的观点完全相同. |
| 94 | If we don't fight against the Ukrainians now, then the West will be overriding us in the next step. | 如果我们现在不对抗乌克兰人,那么西方将在下一步压倒我们. |
| 95 | We are trapped in a mirror. | 我们被困在镜子里 |
| 96 | We are trapped in a relationship that is a trap. | 我们被困在一个陷阱中 |
| 97 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 98 | How far back do you want to go? | 你想走多远? |
| 99 | In fact, let me jump back to | 事实上,让我跳回 |
| 100 | 600 BC. | 公元前600年 (美国英语). |
| 101 | There was an entrapped slave called Aesop. | 有一个被困的奴隶叫艾索普. |
| 102 | Aesop came up with a number of fables, | 爱索普提出一些寓言, |
| 103 | one of which was around the fable of the sun and the wind. | 其中之一是围绕太阳和风的寓言。 |
| 104 | He talked about the way in which this | 他谈论了这个方法 |
| 105 | man was on a hill with a coat, and the sun and the wind had a wager. | 男人在山上穿着大衣 太阳和风有赌注 |
| 106 | Which of them could get that | 哪个能拿到? |
| 107 | coat off that man? | 把那个男人的外套脱了? |
| 108 | And the wind blew really hard, and the guy pulled his coat tighter, and the sun | 风吹得非常猛 那家伙把外套拉得更紧 阳光照耀 |
| 109 | came out and he took his coat off. | 出来后,他脱了外套 |
| 110 | You can take your own lessons from that. | 你可以从中吸取自己的教训。 |
| 111 | 150 years later, | 150年之后,我们... |
| 112 | Thucydides是一位希腊人, 受Thucydides陷阱影响, | |
| 113 | in particular strategic relations. | 特别是战略关系。 |
| 114 | He talked about the drivers of conflict, | 他谈到冲突的原因, |
| 115 | and these drivers involve fear, honor and gain. | 而这些驾驶员则涉及恐惧、荣誉和利益。 |
| 116 | If we get trapped by thinking that we have to | 如果我们被困在想 我们必须 |
| 117 | respond to our fear, try to get what we need to get, or we have to save our face, | 回应我们的恐惧, 试着得到我们需要的东西, 或者我们必须拯救我们的脸, |
| 118 | then we will end up in conflict. | 然后我们就会陷入冲突 |
| 119 | If we force, if we trap our opponent into a corner, as I believe | 如果我们强迫,如果我们把我们的对手 困在角落,我相信 |
| 120 | we have done with the Russians, because from Russia's perspective, they saw NATO coming up to | 我们和俄国人做过 因为从俄罗斯的角度来看 他们看到北约 |
| 121 | borders, and then they had huge impact on Ukraine, Ukrainian politics, economics. | 然后对乌克兰,乌克兰的政治,经济产生了巨大影响。 |
| 122 | This is all well documented, and I'm not forgiving the Russians. | 这一切都有据可查,我不会原谅俄国人 |
| 123 | I am not forgiving the Russians. | 我不原谅俄国人 |
| 124 | I'm going to finish because I don't have much time left. | 我要结束 因为我没有太多时间了 |
| 125 | I am explaining why we get into these | 我解释为什么我们进入这些 |
| 126 | traps and we have to escape them. | 陷阱,我们必须逃脱它们。 |
| 127 | How do we do that? | 怎么办? |
| 128 | We don't, all of us as individuals in this | 我们不是,我们都是个人 |
| 129 | house think, am I going to fight for this king and this country, or come up with some other story | 屋里想,我是要为这个国王和这个国家而战 还是想出别的故事 |
| 130 | about democracy and freedom that is not true entirely? | 民主与自由不是完全真实的? |
| 131 | I mean, I prefer to live in this country | 我是说,我更喜欢住在这个国家 |
| 132 | rather than China or Russia, but I go to China and Russia and I talk to them about how they perceive | 而不是中国或俄罗斯, 但我去中国和俄罗斯, 我与他们谈论 他们的看法 |
| 133 | us, because that entrapment that we are in means that we are forever in war and recovery from war | 因为我们身陷的陷阱 意味着我们永远处于战争中 从战争中复苏 |
| 134 | and then the next war. | 然后是下一次战争 |
| 135 | And we have to stop it, because if we carry on, there will be no future | 我们必须阻止它, 因为如果我们继续, 没有未来 |
| 136 | for you, for me, for anybody, because we have to get together with these people and tackle the | 为了你,为了我,为了任何人, 因为我们必须和这些人在一起,并解决 |
| 137 | shared problems that this world has. | 这个世界有共同的问题 |
| 138 | We have to engage in assurance | 我们必须保证 |
| 139 | rather than threat. | 而不是威胁。 |
| 140 | We have to exercise self-restraint. | 我们必须实行自我克制。 |
| 141 | We have to think more creatively | 我们必须更创造性地思考 |
| 142 | about how we adjust the incentives so that these countries have an incentive to engage | 如何调整激励机制,使这些国家能够参与 |
| 143 | cooperatively with us. | 和我们合作 |
| 144 | We have to consider that they have things to teach us as much as we have | 我们必须考虑到,他们有 东西给我们,因为我们有 |
| 145 | to teach them. | 教他们 |
| 146 | And together, from different perspectives, we can come together and tackle | 从不同角度出发,我们一起来应对 |
| 147 | the problems that we have, because at the moment we are trapped in our binaries. | 我们的问题,因为目前我们被困在我们的二进制。 |
| 148 | Us. | 我们 |
| 149 | Them. | 他们。 |
| 150 | Us. | 我们 |
| 151 | Them. | 他们。 |
| 152 | 黑 Black. | |
| 153 | White. | 白.. |
| 154 | Good. | 不错 |
| 155 | Bad. | 坏处. |
| 156 | For or against. | 为或违. |
| 157 | We need to escape those binaries. | 我们需要逃离那些二进制。 |
| 158 | And tonight, | 而今晚, |
| 159 | I'm not going to ask you to vote for the proposition. | 我不会请你投票支持这个提议 |
| 160 | That's not why I'm here. | 亦非因缘. |
| 161 | In fact, | 事实上, |
| 162 | I don't care what your vote is. | 我不管你的投票结果如何 |
| 163 | It's not important to me. | 这对我不重要 |
| 164 | What's important to me is that each and | 对我很重要的是 |
| 165 | every one of you thinks really seriously and carefully about what the future holds, | 你们每个人都认真仔细地思考未来 |
| 166 | how uncertain it is, and how we can move forward with greater compassion, strategic compassion, | 我们如何以更大的同情心和战略同情心向前迈进, |
| 167 | personal compassion, how we can listen better to the arguments of one side and another, | 个人的同情心,我们如何能更好地倾听 一方和另一方的论点, |
| 168 | and move forward with cooperation rather than competition. | 合作而不是竞争。 |
| 169 | Because it's all too easy to think | 因为这太容易思考了 |
| 170 | that the problem is out there rather than in ourselves. | 问题不在于我们自己 |
| 171 | We have to change, because the | 我们必须改变,因为 |
| 172 | alternative is mutual annihilation. | 另一种方法是相互毁灭。 |
| 173 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 174 | And thank you very much, Paul. | 非常感谢你,保罗 |
| 175 | Order, please. | 请安静 |
| 176 | We now move across the floor to Tobias Elwood, a former British Army officer, | 我们现在跨过地板搬到托比亚斯・埃尔伍德, 一个前英国陆军军官, |
| 177 | senior parliamentarian, and commentator on national security and foreign policy. | 资深议员兼国家安全和外交政策评论员。 |
| 178 | He has served as Middle Eastern minister at the Foreign Office, defense minister, and chair of | 他曾担任外交部中东部长、国防部长和 |
| 179 | the House of Commons Defense Committee, and remains an active army reservist and honorary | 下议院国防委员会,仍然是现役的预备役军人和荣誉军人 |
| 180 | colonel of seven rifles. | 7支步枪的上校 |
| 181 | Born in New York and educated in Vienna, he studied at Loughborough | 出生于纽约,在维也纳接受教育,在Loughborough学习 |
| 182 | University and Bayes Business School, and completed the Harvard Kennedy School's diploma in national | 大学和贝叶斯商学院,并完成了哈佛肯尼迪学院的国家级文凭 |
| 183 | and international security. | 及国际安全。 |
| 184 | He is a distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council and RUSI, | 他是大西洋理事会和俄罗斯空间研究所的杰出成员, |
| 185 | and author of Ten Steps to Prevent World War III. | 和《防止第三次世界大战的十项步骤》的作者。 |
| 186 | Tobias, you have the ears of the House. | 托拜厄斯,你有家族的耳朵。 |
| 187 | Well, ladies and gentlemen, and President, thank you very much indeed. | 女士们先生们 总统先生们 非常感谢你们 |
| 188 | A real pleasure to be here. | 很高兴能来这里 |
| 189 | As you heard, I studied at Loughborough University, so it's great to be in a place | 如你所说 我在洛夫伯勒大学学习过 所以能来一个地方真好 |
| 190 | where I can see really clever people. | 在那里我可以看到非常聪明的人。 |
| 191 | It's fantastic. | 这太棒了。 |
| 192 | We won all the sports at Loughborough, | 我们赢得了洛夫堡的所有运动, |
| 193 | and then we won the fight afterwards when we played you guys, | 然后我们赢得了比赛 之后,当我们扮演你们, |
| 194 | but we didn't win anything academic at all. | 但我们没有赢得任何学术。 |
| 195 | But there is an academic seriousness to today. | 但今天学术上还是很认真的。 |
| 196 | I'm actually glad also, thank you for mentioning my book, and it's always good to promote | 其实我也很高兴,谢谢你提到我的书, 总是很好的宣传 |
| 197 | your own book. | 你自己的书。 |
| 198 | It is called Ten Steps to Prevent World War III, and there is a seriousness | 这叫做预防第三次世界大战的十大步骤,而且有严肃性 |
| 199 | about this. | 关于这个。 |
| 200 | I'm just going to begin with your indulgence, Mr. President, by asking you guys | 总统先生,我首先要问你们 |
| 201 | just to raise your hands if you think the world will be more dangerous in five years' time. | 举起手来 如果你认为世界五年后会更危险 |
| 202 | Put your hands up if that's the case. | 如果是这样,举起手来 |
| 203 | Out of interest, and many hands here, | 出于兴趣,和很多手在这里, |
| 204 | put your hands up if you think it'll be safer given the trajectory of where things are going | 举起手来,如果你认为它会比较安全... ...考虑到事情的发展轨迹 |
| 205 | in five years' time. | 5年之内 |
| 206 | So interesting numbers there, okay. | 好有趣的数字,好吧。 |
| 207 | Second question, if I may. | 第二个问题,如果可以的话。 |
| 208 | Do you have faith in the leadership, the parliamentarians, the politicians in Britain, | 你对英国的领袖、议员、政治家们有信心吗? |
| 209 | and indeed in the United States, and indeed elsewhere, to lead us through this new era | 在美国,甚至其他地方 带领我们度过这个新时代 |
| 210 | of insecurity? | 不安全? |
| 211 | Put your hands up if you have faith in the current leadership. | 如果你对现任领导人有信心,就举起手来。 |
| 212 | Oh my goodness. | 天呐 |
| 213 | There's one. | 有一个。 |
| 214 | Are you related to a parliamentarian? | 你和议员有关系吗? |
| 215 | Is that it? | 是吗? |
| 216 | Third question, and this is the interesting one, and it might be different here from other | 第三个问题,这是有趣的问题, 它可能与其他问题不同 |
| 217 | audiences that have asked this question. | 问这个问题的观众。 |
| 218 | Would you stand for elected office? | 你会竞选民选职位吗? |
| 219 | Would you stand | 你能站起来吗? |
| 220 | to be a parliamentarian, to be part of the decision makers for the future? | 成为议员,成为未来决策者的一部分? |
| 221 | Put your hand | 把手举起来 |
| 222 | up if you would be willing to do that. | 如果你愿意的话 |
| 223 | Okay, good, and well done. | 好吧,很好,干得不错。 |
| 224 | I wish more of you would | 我希望你们更多 |
| 225 | put your hand up too, and for many reasons you won't do that. | 把你的手也举起来, 出于很多原因,你不会这样做。 |
| 226 | That's the dilemma that we face | 这就是我们面临的困境 |
| 227 | today, that our world is getting more dangerous, not less. | 今天,我们的世界越来越危险,而不是更少。 |
| 228 | We don't have faith in the leadership, | 我们不相信领导 |
| 229 | and ever fewer good people are willing to come forward. | 越来越多的好人愿意站出来。 |
| 230 | There are some great parliamentarians. | 有一些伟大的议员。 |
| 231 | 我在那里呆了20年了 20 years I was there for 20 years. | |
| 232 | There's also an awful lot of mediocrity. | 也有很多平庸之处 |
| 233 | I'm able to focus on that | 我可以专注于这个 |
| 234 | picture as to where our world is going. | 我们的世界走向 |
| 235 | This motion is about fighting for king and country. | 这个动议是为了争夺国王和国家. |
| 236 | I would say it's actually about defending the king and country. | 我想说这其实是为了保卫国王和国家 |
| 237 | That's what we're actually about, | 这就是我们真正的目标 |
| 238 | because war, I'm afraid, is heading our way, and the blur between peace and war is ever more fuzzy. | 因为战争,恐怕,正朝着我们的方向前进,和平与战争之间的模糊性越来越模糊. |
| 239 | And look around us. | 看看我们周围 |
| 240 | Look at what's actually happening across the world itself. | 看看世界本身究竟发生了什么。 |
| 241 | 1945 was a | 1945年是个 |
| 242 | good year. | 年度快乐 |
| 243 | End of the World War II. | 二战结束. |
| 244 | We set up the rules-based order as we know today. | 我们建立了基于规则的秩序 我们今天知道。 |
| 245 | Fifteen seconds. | 15秒钟。 |
| 246 | I've got so much to say. | 我有很多话要说 |
| 247 | Go for it. | 来啊 |
| 248 | Hold on to your seat. | 坐稳了 |
| 249 | I'll get there in about three minutes' time. | 我三分钟后到 |
| 250 | 1945. | 1945 (英语). |
| 251 | We agree that's a pretty good year. | 我们同意,这是一个相当好的一年。 |
| 252 | End of the war. | 战争结束 |
| 253 | Setting up of the global order. | 建立全球秩序. |
| 254 | The Bretton Woods organizations. | 布雷顿森林组织。 |
| 255 | Then, is that one minute already? | 那么,这是一分钟了吗? |
| 256 | I'm down to one minute. | 我只剩一分钟了 |
| 257 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 258 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 259 | Just checking. | 只是检查一下。 |
| 260 | 1990. | 1990 (英语). |
| 261 | Pretty good year. | 不错的一年。 |
| 262 | End of communism. | 共产主义的终结. |
| 263 | The Berlin Wall comes down. | 柏林墙倒塌了 |
| 264 | But 2026. | 不过2026年. |
| 265 | Where are we today? | 我们今天在哪里? |
| 266 | Where might we be in 2030? | 2030年我们可能在哪里? |
| 267 | Go back to 1937. | 回到1937年时. |
| 268 | A very bad year. | 一个非常糟糕的一年。 |
| 269 | And that was a year that I think we were still in denial about | 那一年,我想我们仍在否认 |
| 270 | what was coming over the hill. | 山上的东西 |
| 271 | Because you had errant nations teaming up together, re-arming | 因为你有错误的国家 联合起来,重新武装 |
| 272 | an axis of evil, coming together to challenge what was then the global order of the day. | 共同挑战当时的全球秩序。 |
| 273 | You then had a risk averseness, a hesitance by the West. | 那时你对西方的犹豫不决 |
| 274 | You had America going isolationist. | 你让美国成为孤立主义者 |
| 275 | And yet, look at today. | 然而,看今天。 |
| 276 | All those things are actually happening. | 所有这些事情实际上正在发生。 |
| 277 | And a hesitance to stand up and put the fires out that are growing all around us. | 并犹豫不决地站起来 扑灭我们周围的火焰 |
| 278 | But add on to 1937. | 但加入到1937年. |
| 279 | And you have the rise of the non-state actor. | 你还有非国家演员的兴起 |
| 280 | Extremism, for example. | 譬如外道论. |
| 281 | You have | 你有过 |
| 282 | the fact that we have atomic weapons now. | 我们现在有原子武器 |
| 283 | We have climate change, which is going to add its own | 我们有气候变化,它会增加自己的 |
| 284 | element of security. | 安全要素。 |
| 285 | Biblical movements of people moving from Africa causing absolutely challenges | 从非洲移徙的人的圣经流动造成了绝对的挑战 |
| 286 | to we've got a problem now. | 现在有麻烦了 |
| 287 | Wait till we see that happening and the consequences to the demographics | 等我们看到这种情况和对人口统计的影响 |
| 288 | in Europe and beyond. | 在欧洲和其他地区。 |
| 289 | And then, of course, put that all together. | 然后,当然,把这些都放在一起。 |
| 290 | And who's willing to step up? | 谁愿意挺身而出? |
| 291 | Who's willing to challenge the status quo? | 谁愿意挑战现状? |
| 292 | Who's willing to actually lead the West? | 谁愿意真正领导西方? |
| 293 | Because you | 因为你 |
| 294 | now look to the United States, they're not just isolationist. | 现在看美国, 他们不只是孤立主义者。 |
| 295 | You have an American president | 你有个美国总统 |
| 296 | that's gone away from every single president since 1945 to have any sense of duty to support | 从1945年起,每个总统 都不再有责任感支持 |
| 297 | our fragile global order. | 我们脆弱的全球秩序。 |
| 298 | Donald Trump is now buying fuel off Russia, allowing Putin | 唐纳德·特朗普现在从俄罗斯购买燃料 允许普京 |
| 299 | to actually further his war in Ukraine. | 以推进他在乌克兰的战争 |
| 300 | That's just one example. | 这只是一个例子。 |
| 301 | 在乌克兰关闭Starlink | |
| 302 | helping the Russians. | 帮助俄国人 |
| 303 | And when you see what sits behind Russia, it is China, it is Iran working | 当你看到俄罗斯身后的东西,就是中国,伊朗在工作 |
| 304 | actually together. | 实际上在一起。 |
| 305 | And what is the West doing? | 西方在干吗? |
| 306 | We ourselves are fragmented. | 我们自己是支离破碎的。 |
| 307 | Europe and America | 欧洲和美国 |
| 308 | are not on the same page. | 不在同一页上。 |
| 309 | And America's America First approach is actually damaging the world | 美国的第一方法 实际上是在破坏世界 |
| 310 | order itself. | 秩序本身。 |
| 311 | It is breaking down. | 它正在崩溃。 |
| 312 | And I say today that we're actually at the foothills | 而我今天说,我们实际上 在山脚上 |
| 313 | of World War Three. | 第三次世界大战 |
| 314 | And when I say World War Three, it's everything that's going on now | 当我说第三次世界大战时, 事情正在发生 |
| 315 | just worse. | 更惨的 |
| 316 | It's not World War Two, as in big guns and battle lines and so forth. | 这不是二战,像大炮和战线等等。 |
| 317 | It's battles in space. | 这是太空中的战斗。 |
| 318 | It's cyber attacks. | 这是网络攻击。 |
| 319 | It's the weaponization of just about everything. | 这是武器化的一切。 |
| 320 | Water, energy, oil supplies, minerals and so forth. | 水,能源,石油供应,矿产等. |
| 321 | It's globalization falling apart | 全球化正在瓦解 |
| 322 | and every country having to look after themselves. | 每一个国家都要照顾自己 |
| 323 | Not a day goes by when we are not threatened or | 没有一天,当我们没有受到威胁或 |
| 324 | indeed attacked by Russia in the gray zone. | 俄罗斯确实在灰色地带发动攻击。 |
| 325 | And we only need to see such as the cyber attacks, | 我们只需要看看网络攻击 |
| 326 | Land Rover Jaguar, for example, that cost the taxpayer in this country one billion pounds. | 例如,Land Rover Jaguar在这个国家为纳税人花费了10亿英镑。 |
| 327 | And we're not really technically at war with Russia, but Russia is in the gray zone war with | 我们并没有在技术上和俄罗斯开战 但俄罗斯在灰色地带与俄罗斯交战 |
| 328 | us, trying to snip our undersea cables, doing economic damage to us. | 我们试图切断海底电缆 对我们造成经济损失 |
| 329 | And that's what we need | 这正是我们需要的 |
| 330 | to get our heads into is the type of warfare is going to be different from World War Two. | 战争类型将不同于二战 |
| 331 | It's about causing economic harm and societal discord. | 而是造成经济伤害和社会不和. |
| 332 | That's what our adversaries want us | 这就是我们的对手想要我们 |
| 333 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我们得去 | |
| 334 | And there's an absence now of support for our global order. | 而现在对我们的全球秩序缺乏支持. |
| 335 | The United Nations was created | 创立联合国 |
| 336 | in 45, 46, to be that place where security issues were discussed. | 在45,46, 是讨论安全问题的地方。 |
| 337 | It's now paralyzed. | 现在瘫痪了 |
| 338 | The World Trade Organization was developed at the same time to make sure that we could trade on | 世界贸易组织是同时成立的,以确保我们能够在贸易中进行贸易。 |
| 339 | equal terms. | 同等条件。 |
| 340 | But Donald Trump and other nations are now ignoring that organization absolutely | 但唐纳德·特朗普和其他国家现在完全无视该组织 |
| 341 | completely. | 完全没有。 |
| 342 | And then the International Criminal Courts and the International Court of Justice | 然后是国际刑事法院和国际法院 |
| 343 | ignored by many countries. | 被许多国家忽视。 |
| 344 | These are the fundamental pillars of our global order. | 这些是我们全球秩序的根本支柱。 |
| 345 | And we're in this transition period between now and then a further conflict. | 而我们正处在一个过渡时期 从现在到那时,还有一场冲突。 |
| 346 | And then whoever then | 然后是谁呢? |
| 347 | wins the outcome of World War Three, I call it a world at war, to then craft a new global order | 赢得第三次世界大战的结果,我称之为战争世界,然后构建新的全球秩序 |
| 348 | itself. | 它本身。 |
| 349 | We need to prepare. | 我们需要准备。 |
| 350 | I could be wrong. | 我可能错了 |
| 351 | I absolutely could be wrong. | 我绝对可能错了。 |
| 352 | My book could be false. | 我的书可能是假的 |
| 353 | I'm saying that we are heading towards very difficult times indeed, and we must prepare. | 我是说我们正走向非常困难的时期 我们必须做好准备 |
| 354 | You lot have had it lucky. | 你们很幸运 |
| 355 | I've had it lucky for the last three decades. | 我过去三十年很幸运 |
| 356 | Since the Cold War, | 自冷战以来, |
| 357 | we've had relative peace. | 我们有过相对的和平。 |
| 358 | But that is unusual in our time period. | 但这在我们这个时期是不寻常的。 |
| 359 | And it's something that we all | 我们都是这样 |
| 360 | need to get used to ourselves. | 需要习惯自己 |
| 361 | Now look at countries such as Finland and Sweden. | 现在看看芬兰和瑞典等国. |
| 362 | They've | 他们已经 |
| 363 | introduced national service there. | 在那里实行了国民服务。 |
| 364 | And this is where fighting for a kingdom country comes into | 这就是为王国而战的地方 |
| 365 | perspective. | 视角。 |
| 366 | It's not about putting you in uniform and sending to Ukraine. | 这不是让你穿制服 并送往乌克兰。 |
| 367 | It's about making sure | 这是关于确保 |
| 368 | Britain has the resilience and readiness to keep surviving, to keep moving forward, to looking after | 英国有坚韧不拔的毅力 随时准备活下去 继续前进 照顾 |
| 369 | ourselves. | 我们自己 |
| 370 | It could be that some of you want to support and work with the RAF, the Army, or the | 可能是你们中有些人想支持和配合 皇家空军、陆军或陆军 |
| 371 | Navy. | 海军. |
| 372 | But maybe you've got specialists here in cyber security tackling disinformation, helping | 但也许你这里有网络安全专家 处理虚假信息 帮助 |
| 373 | protect our undersea cables, helping the Coast Guard, helping the fire service. | 保护海底电缆 帮助海岸警卫队 帮助消防队 |
| 374 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 375 | Yeah, I'm absolutely happy to say that. | 是啊,我绝对很高兴这样说。 |
| 376 | That made me a requirement to fight or to provide | 这让我必须战斗或提供 |
| 377 | peacekeeping. | 维持和平。 |
| 378 | Yemen is a country that we were connected with in the past. | 也门是一个过去与我们有联系的国家。 |
| 379 | You could deal with | 你可以处理 |
| 380 | some peacekeepers there. | 一些维和人员在那里。 |
| 381 | And a solution for the Houthis that are indigenous to the north of Yemen | 解决也门北部的胡塞人的问题 |
| 382 | are now treated like the Hamas or indeed Hezbollah. | 现在被像哈马斯或真主党一样对待。 |
| 383 | They're not the same, but nobody's coming out with | 他们不一样,但没人会出来 |
| 384 | a thought leadership, the statecraft, to provide the solutions themselves. | 一个思想领袖, 国家行为, 提供解决方案本身。 |
| 385 | You are right. | 你说得对。 |
| 386 | We | 我们 |
| 387 | mustn't gloss this over and say we're not going to have to fight in certain places. | 不能把这事掩盖起来 说我们不必在某些地方战斗 |
| 388 | But in Ukraine, | 但在乌克兰, |
| 389 | they are fighting for us. | 他们正在为我们而战 |
| 390 | Because if Russia is able to claim any sort of victory in Ukraine, | 因为如果俄国能宣称在乌克兰取得任何胜利 |
| 391 | Russia will move forward because taking advantage of our weakness. | 俄罗斯将利用我们的弱点向前迈进。 |
| 392 | So I say to you, when we look | 所以我说,当我们看 |
| 393 | at this today and you think about how you might vote, it isn't about fighting those wars in the | 在今天,你思考 你如何投票, 它不是在打这些战争 |
| 394 | far. | 很远 |
| 395 | It's about making sure our existence here is able to tolerate and manage the very difficult | 就是要确保我们的存在 能够容忍和管理非常困难的 |
| 396 | era of insecurity that we are just about to head into. | 我们即将进入的不安全时代。 |
| 397 | Every one of us has a duty to keep the lights | 我们每个人都有责任保持灯光 |
| 398 | on, to keep our country safe, to make sure our communities can actually stand up to what is | 维护国家安全 确保我们的社区能够真正面对现实 |
| 399 | absolutely heading our way. | 绝对朝我们的方向走 |
| 400 | Please throw this motion out and recognize this is not the 1932-33 | 请把这个动议扔出去,承认这不是1932 -33 |
| 401 | vote that we had there where they were going to go and fight again in the same way World War I. | 我们投票说,那里有他们要去的地方, 以同样的方式再次战斗,第一次世界大战。 |
| 402 | This is about Britain surviving in a new era of insecurity. | 这是关于英国在不安全的新时代生存的问题。 |
| 403 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 404 | Thank you very much, Tobias. | 非常感谢,托比亚斯 |
| 405 | We now move on to our first round of floor speeches. | 我们现在进行第一轮发言。 |
| 406 | The floor speech prize for tonight, by the way, is a free Union Ball ticket. | 顺便说一句,今晚的演讲奖 是免费的联盟舞会票。 |
| 407 | Would anyone like to speak in proposition to the motion? | 有人想就动议发言吗? |
| 408 | Can I just say something? | 我能说句话吗? |
| 409 | My book to the person and also gives a speech as well. | 我的书给一个人, 也发表演讲。 |
| 410 | A free Union Ball ticket and Tobias Elwood's book. | 免费联赛球票和托比亚斯·埃尔伍德的书. |
| 411 | Would anyone like to speak in proposition | 有人想在提议中说吗? |
| 412 | to the motion? | 对动议? |
| 413 | Yes please, name and college. | 是的,请,姓名和大学。 |
| 414 | Mine is from Kolkata, India. | 我来自印度加尔各答 |
| 415 | So the opposition | 所以,反对派 |
| 416 | tries to appeal to your emotions a lot, talks about altruism a lot. | 试着吸引你的情绪, 谈论利他主义很多。 |
| 417 | What I feel the motion | 我的感觉 |
| 418 | says is this house would not fight for king and country. | 说这房子不会为国王和国家而战 |
| 419 | He defines it as being defending | 他将它定义为在捍卫 |
| 420 | king and country, which is very, very different. | 国王和国家,这是非常,非常不同的。 |
| 421 | You see, what is projected as being best for king | 你看,什么是预测 为国王最好 |
| 422 | and country might not always be best for public good. | 国家可能并不总是有利于公共利益。 |
| 423 | Look at your Hitlers, look at your Mussolinis. | 看看你的希特勒 看看你的墨索里尼家族 |
| 424 | What did Hitler say? | 希特勒怎么说? |
| 425 | The Treaty of Versailles did us very, very wrong and therefore you should fight | "凡尔赛条约"对我们做了非常,非常错误,因此你应该战斗 |
| 426 | for king and country. | 为了国王和国家 |
| 427 | So the most of the people who fought in the World War II thought that they | 所以大多数参加二战的人认为 |
| 428 | were fighting for king and country and that led to their doom. | 为国王和国家而战 导致了他们的末日 |
| 429 | Look at the people in India. | 观印度众生. |
| 430 | The | 那个 |
| 431 | there were a lot of people in the British Army that were Indian people in the First World War. | 英国军队中有很多人在第一次世界大战中是印第安人. |
| 432 | They were fighting for that. | 他们为此而战。 |
| 433 | They thought if they fought for the British, they would get | 他们以为如果为英国人而战 他们就会得到 |
| 434 | independence and therefore they were part of British Army. | 因此他们是英国军队的一部分。 |
| 435 | They fought for the country of India | 他们为印度而战 |
| 436 | and of course the king was here. | 当然国王也在这里 |
| 437 | So when we say that the house would not fight for king and country, | 所以当我们说房子不会为国王和国家而战时 |
| 438 | it obviously means that the house, when he says that house would defend king and country, that is | 这显然意味着 房子,当他说 那房子将捍卫国王和国家,即 |
| 439 | very, very, you know, that is the opposite definition of fighting for king and country. | 非常,非常,你知道, 这是相反的定义 为国王和国家战斗。 |
| 440 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 441 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 442 | Would anyone like to speak in opposition to the motion? | 有人反对动议吗? |
| 443 | Which one? | 哪一个? |
| 444 | Yes please, Neyman College. | 是的,请,尼曼学院。 |
| 445 | Alexander Newman from King's College. | 国王学院的亚历山大·纽曼. |
| 446 | I wasn't planning | 我没有计划 |
| 447 | on speaking to you otherwise I probably would have brushed my hair before this. | 要不然我在这之前就梳头了 |
| 448 | But whilst I | 但当我 |
| 449 | loved the speech for the proposition's hat, unfortunately I was baffled by his argument, | 可惜我为他的论点感到困惑 |
| 450 | so I felt compelled to scratch down a couple of notes on a piece of paper. | 所以我不得不在一张纸上画几张纸条 |
| 451 | He spoke a lot about | 他讲了很多 |
| 452 | obedience and deference, but I think the word that has not come up tonight has been duty and | 服从和服从, 但我认为今晚没有出现的话是义务的 |
| 453 | fundamentally why this house, this house being the Cambridge Union and the students of Cambridge | 这所房子是剑桥大学联盟 也是剑桥大学的学生 |
| 454 | University, have an obligation to fight for king and for country. | 大学,有义务为国王和国家而战. |
| 455 | And for that we have to look back | 为此我们必须回头看 |
| 456 | to the origins of our university. | 我们大学的起源 |
| 457 | We have to look back to the fact that Cambridge was founded | 我们必须回顾剑桥成立的事实 |
| 458 | as a place of sanctuary for people fleeing persecution, for people looking for a right | 作为逃避迫害的人的避难所, 对于寻求权利的人 |
| 459 | to practice freedom of speech, to practice liberal, educated values, a place where they | 实行言论自由,实行自由、受过教育的价值观,是他们享有言论自由的地方。 |
| 460 | want to pursue scholastic ideas, where they wanted to challenge norms and the status quo, | 想要追求学术思想 他们想挑战规范和现状 |
| 461 | and Cambridge became a place which could do that. | 剑桥成为了能够做到这一点的地方。 |
| 462 | So why do we need to fight for king and country? | 那么我们为什么要为国王和国家而战呢? |
| 463 | Because fundamentally all of the forces which oppose those notions are seeking to undermine | 因为从根本上说,反对这些观念的所有力量都在试图破坏 |
| 464 | what Cambridge stands for. | 剑桥代表什么 |
| 465 | Arguments against freedom of speech, arguments against classical | 反对言论自由、反对古典主义的论点 |
| 466 | liberalism, against research. | 自由主义,反对研究 |
| 467 | To fight for king and country does not mean to pick up arms, | 为国王和国家而战并不意味着拿起武器 |
| 468 | but it means to serve those very values. | 但它意味着为这些价值服务。 |
| 469 | And we look at Cambridge alumni for that, | 我们看着剑桥校友, |
| 470 | whether we look at Alan Turing and Bletchley Park, or we look at Emily Maitlis and Jeremy | 不管我们看艾伦图灵和布莱奇利公园 还是看艾米丽·梅特利斯和杰里米 |
| 471 | Haxman in their work as journalists. | 哈克斯曼做记者 |
| 472 | To fight for king and country is to propagate British | 为国王和国家而战就是宣传英国 |
| 473 | values both in our country and around the world in order to preserve both through hard and soft | 为了通过软硬保护我们国家和全世界的价值观 |
| 474 | power what this university stands for. | 这所大学所代表的力量 |
| 475 | So sort of to keep it brief, and to quote Churchill, | 有点简短 引用丘吉尔的话 |
| 476 | because I think in a motion like this it seems appropriate, it is important that even if our | 因为我认为在这样的一个动议中 这似乎是合适的, 重要的是,即使我们 |
| 477 | hands are busy, our minds are at ease. | 手忙脚乱,我们的思想放松了 |
| 478 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 479 | And thank you very much. | 非常感谢 |
| 480 | Would anyone like to speak in abstention to the motion? | 有人想对动议投弃权票吗? |
| 481 | To the member in the back over there, name and college please. | 给后面那个成员 名字和大学 |
| 482 | Franny, third year at Girton. | 弗兰妮,在Girton大学三年级 |
| 483 | I'm sure many people are familiar with me so. | 我相信很多人都这么熟悉我 |
| 484 | I speak in abstention really because I think the whole motion, it's noble, but it ignores | 我投弃权票是因为我觉得整个动议是崇高的,但它忽略了 |
| 485 | something very fundamental, that regardless if we want to fight for king and country, | 不管我们想为国王和国家而战 |
| 486 | or if we don't want to fight for king and country, well, most people are just not that interested in | 或者如果我们不想为国王和国家而战 那么大多数人对 |
| 487 | defence. | 辩护。 |
| 488 | It大悲. | |
| 489 | I would personally fight for king and country. | 我会亲自为国王和国家而战 |
| 490 | I like this country. | 我喜欢这个国家 |
| 491 | I came here in 2010 and it's mainly the person who I am. | 我于2010年来到这里,这主要是我这个人。 |
| 492 | But look at the social attitudes of | 但看看社会态度 |
| 493 | most British people today. | 今天大多数英国人 |
| 494 | Most British people today care more about things like social welfare, | 今天大多数英国人更关心社会福利 |
| 495 | immigration, plenty of things, and defence happens to be at the back. | 移民,很多事情, 和防御恰好在后面。 |
| 496 | To talk about fighting | 说到打架 |
| 497 | for king and country really ignores most people's attention, just isn't there. | 国王和国家真的忽略了大多数人的注意力,只是没有。 |
| 498 | I'm going to attack | 我要进攻了 |
| 499 | Tobias Elwood slightly, though I admire him a lot. | 托比亚斯语Name 艾尔伍德虽然很欣赏他 |
| 500 | Would you give way? | 你会让路吗? |
| 501 | So you're absolutely right with those numbers, and perhaps we'll see this in the vote tonight, | 所以,你绝对是正确的 数字,也许我们会看到这一点 在今晚的投票, |
| 502 | that people will push and support this motion. | 人们会推动和支持这个动议。 |
| 503 | The same happened in 1932 at that famous Oxford | 1932年在著名的牛津也一样 |
| 504 | Union debate. | 工会辩论. |
| 505 | And yet when it came to it, when tyranny arrived on this doorstep, Britain and the | 然而当暴政降临到这门口时 英国和英国 |
| 506 | youth stepped forward because those freedoms and values that have just been spoken about were then | 青年挺身而出,因为刚才谈到的这些自由和价值观,当时 |
| 507 | under threat. | 受到威胁。 |
| 508 | And I absolutely have faith in this nation doing exactly the same. | 我绝对相信这个国家也这样做 |
| 509 | Right now, | 现在 |
| 510 | it's dangerous, the world's more dangerous, but the danger isn't here yet. | 这很危险 世界更危险 但危险还没有到来 |
| 511 | When it does arrive, | 当它到达时, |
| 512 | absolutely, Britain will step up. | 英国绝对会挺身而出 |
| 513 | He was given a point, that's not how it works. | 他得到了一个重点, 这不是如何工作。 |
| 514 | I'm not sure how one can point of information to a point of information. | 我不知道如何把信息指向信息点。 |
| 515 | But to respond to you, look, you're totally right about that, but we're not going to fight a war like | 但为了回应你,你看,你完全是对的, 但我们不会去打仗 像 |
| 516 | in 1945. | 1945年时. |
| 517 | When cyber attacks come, when asymmetric warfare comes, it won't be ships in the channel | 当网络攻击到来,当不对称战争到来, 它不会是船只在频道 |
| 518 | ready to invade. | 准备入侵 |
| 519 | It won't be Operation Sea Lion, and that will be more confusing for the British | 这不会是"海狮行动" 对英国人来说会更混乱 |
| 520 | public. | 大众. |
| 521 | The British public will find that confusing. | 英国公众会觉得很困惑 |
| 522 | The British public will not see | 英国公众不会看到 |
| 523 | the prospect of Russian invasion on its shores. | 俄罗斯入侵其海岸的前景。 |
| 524 | So the work hasn't been done by our politicians | 所以我们的政治家们还没有做 |
| 525 | to actually set up this debate, to prepare the British public psychologically, culturally, | 准备让英国公众在心理上 文化上 |
| 526 | for a possible warfare. | 为了一场可能的战争 |
| 527 | The debate that you referenced before was a part of that. | 你以前提到的辩论就是其中的一部分。 |
| 528 | The reason | 原因 |
| 529 | why we were ready in 1945 is the prospect of warfare was in our minds. | 我们为什么在1945年准备好 战争的前景就在我们的脑海中 |
| 530 | It simply isn't at | 它只是没有 |
| 531 | the moment. | 现在 |
| 532 | And if it isn't at the moment, well, this whole debate is a kind of side issue. | 如果不是现在, 那么,这整个辩论是一个次要问题。 |
| 533 | It | 这个 |
| 534 | happens in Cambridge. | 发生在剑桥。 |
| 535 | Yes, we're debating this now here, but this is just a narrow area of British | 是的,我们现在在这里辩论, 但这只是一个狭窄的英国地区 |
| 536 | public life that really only appeals to students, intellectuals, and people who are already ingrained | 仅仅吸引学生、知识分子和已经深陷其中的人的公共生活 |
| 537 | in defence discussions in the defence industry. | 在国防工业的国防讨论中 |
| 538 | So I do think you all should abstain, because | 所以我认为你们都应该弃权 因为... |
| 539 | fundamentally speaking, most of this country isn't thinking about the prospect of Russian invasion. | 从根本上讲,这个国家的大部分地区 并没有考虑俄罗斯入侵的前景。 |
| 540 | And when the... Am I... Do I have enough time? | 当... |
| 541 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 542 | Okay, I will accept it. | 好吧,我会接受的。 |
| 543 | You raise your hand to speak against, in favour, and in abstention. | 你举手反对、赞成和弃权。 |
| 544 | In the words of Groucho Marx, these are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, | 用格鲁乔·马克思的话,这是我的原则, 如果你不喜欢它们,嗯, |
| 545 | I've got others. | 我有别人 |
| 546 | Thank you very much for that speech in abstention. | 非常感谢你弃权的发言。 |
| 547 | Right, we move on to our second round of paper speakers. | 接下来是第二轮的纸质演讲 |
| 548 | Speaking in second for proposition is | 说到第二 提议是 |
| 549 | Martha Ford, a second year HSPS student specialising in anthropology at Emanuel College. | 玛莎·福特(Martha Ford),是伊曼纽尔学院的HSPS二年级学生,专攻人类学. |
| 550 | She is Senior Speakers Coordinator and Guest Liaison at the Cambridge Union, and she founded | 她是剑桥联盟的高级发言人协调员和客座联络员。 |
| 551 | and runs the Emma Self-Defence Club. | 并经营艾玛自卫俱乐部. |
| 552 | Martha, you have the ears of the house. | 玛莎,你有房子的耳朵 |
| 553 | Mr President, Members of the House, I would like to thank you for this opportunity to speak. | 主席先生,各位议员,我要感谢你们给我这次发言机会。 |
| 554 | War may feel very far for most of us in Cambridge, or it may feel very close, all too close whilst | 战争对我们大部分剑桥人来说可能感觉很遥远 或者可能感觉很接近,太接近了 |
| 555 | we stand on the sidelines and cannot do anything, cannot stop the atrocities we witness on the news. | 我们袖手旁观,不能做任何事情,不能阻止我们在新闻上目睹的暴行。 |
| 556 | But when Rishi Sunak introduced in his 2024 election campaign a promise for conscription, | 但当里希·苏纳克在2024年的竞选中提出征兵承诺时, |
| 557 | it raised the question, what would it mean if we were called up to fight? | 它提出了一个问题, 如果我们被召去打仗,那意味着什么? |
| 558 | Who would we fight for, and do we want it to be our king and country? | 我们将为谁而战,我们是否希望它成为我们的国王和国家? |
| 559 | That is true. | 没错 |
| 560 | I still believe it raises the question. | 我仍然相信这引起了问题。 |
| 561 | I certainly know that it influenced | 我当然知道,它影响了 |
| 562 | how my parents wanted to vote. | 我爸妈怎么想投票的 |
| 563 | If you weren't intrigued by what it would mean for you, | 如果不是你对它对你的意义感兴趣 |
| 564 | that is a personal decision, and I respect that. | 这是个人的决定 我尊重 |
| 565 | But I'd like to begin by highlighting | 但我首先要强调 |
| 566 | what I think it would mean to fight for king and country. | 我认为为国王和国家而战意味着什么 |
| 567 | Our king, I think, is the head of | 我认为我们的国王是 |
| 568 | the royal family. | 皇室成员 |
| 569 | I'm the leader of the institution. | 臣为机构之首. |
| 570 | I question this House. | 我质疑这房子。 |
| 571 | Not just would you fight for King Charles and his sausage fingers, but would you | 你不仅会为查尔斯国王 和他的香肠手指而战 而且你会 |
| 572 | fight for Queen Elizabeth? | 为伊丽莎白女王而战? |
| 573 | Would you fight for Prince William? | 你会为威廉王子而战吗? |
| 574 | And perhaps the more | 也许更多 |
| 575 | significant question, what does it mean to fight for your country? | 重要的问题,为贵国而战意味着什么? |
| 576 | And I'd like to focus on the | 我想把注意力集中在 |
| 577 | United Kingdom as a whole in this. | 在这方面,联合王国作为一个整体。 |
| 578 | I think it's important. | 我认为这很重要。 |
| 579 | I believe personally that no person | 我个人相信没有人 |
| 580 | should ever fight for a king. | 应该为国王而战 |
| 581 | Why should we fight for a family that's been appointed by blood | 为什么我们要为一个被血亲任命的家庭而战? |
| 582 | and not by merit to uphold a nominal leadership position? | 而不是凭功来维持名义上的领导地位? |
| 583 | Our king is a figurehead, a symbol | 我们的国王是头像,象征 |
| 584 | we're asked to fight under. | 我们被要求战斗在下面。 |
| 585 | I will not fight, and this House should not fight, for a figurehead | 我不会为一个头目而战,本院也不应该战 |
| 586 | championing a family whose biggest contribution is fuelling tabloid gossip. | 支持一个最大的贡献是助长小报八卦的家庭. |
| 587 | King Charles treated | 查尔斯王对待 |
| 588 | Queen Camilla differently than Diana in one major way. | 卡米拉王后与戴安娜在主要方面有所不同. |
| 589 | Prince Harry says he wants to reconcile with | 哈里王子说他想和他和解 |
| 590 | Prince Charles and King William. | 查尔斯王子和威廉国王. |
| 591 | Kate Middleton's flowing gown gets caught under chair during | 凯特·米德尔顿的流布长袍 被困在椅子下 |
| 592 | state banquet. | 国宴。 |
| 593 | I mean it's a scandal. | 我的意思是,这是一个丑闻。 |
| 594 | What prestige, what a mighty family we would be asked to fight | 多么威望,多么强大的家庭 我们将被要求战斗 |
| 595 | for. | 为. |
| 596 | No thank you, I'm going to make some progress. | 不,谢谢,我会有所进展的 |
| 597 | But perhaps I am being a bit facetious. | 但我也许有点面子 |
| 598 | After all, | 毕竟. |
| 599 | I told you that I would treat our king as the symbol of an institution, and I would like to | 我告诉你,我会把我们的国王当作一个机构的象征,我想 |
| 600 | question this institution. | 质疑这个机构。 |
| 601 | Why should you fight for an organization that covers up sex abuse scandals | 为什么要为掩盖性虐待丑闻的组织而斗争? |
| 602 | and spend years fighting the media and with courts over whether to let Andrew keep his title | 并花了数年时间与媒体和法院争吵 是否让安德鲁保留他的头衔 |
| 603 | whilst the victims of Epstein and his associates die? | 爱泼斯坦和他的同伙死了? |
| 604 | What does this family offer you? | 这家人给你什么? |
| 605 | But it's | 不过 |
| 606 | not just the king that this motion asks us to fight for. | 不仅仅是这个动议要求我们为之奋斗的国王。 |
| 607 | It's our country, and I believe that | 这是我们的国家 我相信 |
| 608 | this country presently is not worth fighting for. | 这个国家目前并不值得为它而战。 |
| 609 | Wars are often started in the hopes of spreading | 战争的开始往往是为了希望蔓延 |
| 610 | a country's power or of defending its territory. | 国家的权力或保卫其领土的权力。 |
| 611 | The greatest military success of this country | 这个国家最大的军事成就 |
| 612 | was when the British Empire dominated 25% of the world's population. | 当时大英帝国统治着25%的世界人口 |
| 613 | This country is built out of | 这个国家是建立在 |
| 614 | the empire on which the sun never set. | 太阳从未落下的帝国 |
| 615 | But more than that, it is built on the backs of the people | 但不止于此,它是建立在人们的背上 |
| 616 | it enslaved, tortured and murdered in the pursuit of greater power. | 它为追求更大的权力而奴役、折磨和谋杀。 |
| 617 | And when the empire ended, | 当帝国灭亡时 |
| 618 | the mistreatment of its own citizens was not stopped by this government. | 政府没有制止虐待本国公民的行为。 |
| 619 | Lest we forget how Alan Turing was deeply mistreated and imprisoned for the crime of being gay. | 免得我们忘记艾伦·图灵如何因同性恋罪被严重虐待入狱. |
| 620 | On this point, would your colonial guilt want you to not contribute arms to Ukraine | 在这一点上,你的殖民罪孽 是否希望你 不向乌克兰贡献武器 |
| 621 | lest the support we offer them is tainted by our history? | 恐怕我们给他们的支持 被我们的历史所玷污? |
| 622 | I will bring up Ukraine yesterday, and I think it's a valid question, but I think that we must | 我昨天会提乌克兰, 我认为这是一个有效的问题, 但我认为我们必须 |
| 623 | focus here not should we fight and should we defend for human rights, for humanity, but should we | 我们不应该在这里进行斗争,我们应当捍卫人权,维护人类,而是应当 |
| 624 | fight for our king and our country. | 为我们的国王和国家而战 |
| 625 | And I think the history of our country is one which we should | 我认为我们国家的历史是应该的 |
| 626 | be ashamed of. | 丢脸吧 |
| 627 | We cannot fight on the behalf of a country that doesn't apologize for its own history. | 我们不能代表一个不为自己的历史道歉的国家而斗争. |
| 628 | The UK has not offered reparations to apologize for the crimes it committed, | 联合王国没有为它犯下的罪行提供赔偿, |
| 629 | despite only finishing using taxpayer money to pay back former slave owners in 2015. | 尽管2015年只完成了使用纳税人的钱还原前奴隶主的工作. |
| 630 | When I was in Year 9, only six years ago, we were taught about the British Empire, | 当我在九年级,仅仅六年前, 我们被告知大英帝国, |
| 631 | where we studied academics who suggested that the British Empire was a good thing | 在那里我们研究学者 他们认为大英帝国是件好事 |
| 632 | because it introduced schools and Christianity. | 因为它引入了学校和基督教。 |
| 633 | This house must not be fooled into thinking that | 这房子不能被愚弄 |
| 634 | this country is worthy of protection when it spent centuries abusing millions of people | 这个国家值得保护 当它花了几个世纪 虐待数百万人 |
| 635 | and even in the modern day refuses to work towards amending the damage it did. | 即使在现代, 也拒绝努力 修正它所造成的损害。 |
| 636 | No thank you. | 不,谢谢。 |
| 637 | But I would be remiss to suggest that the failures of this country are only the | 但我不得不说这个国家的失败只是 |
| 638 | historical ones. | 历史的。 |
| 639 | I must make clear that I feel immensely privileged to live in the United Kingdom | 我必须说明,在英国生活我感到非常荣幸 |
| 640 | and to be a British citizen. | 成为英国公民 |
| 641 | No thank you, I'm going to finish this point. | 不,谢谢,我要结束这一点。 |
| 642 | I live in one of only 38 countries where I could legally marry my girlfriend. | 我住在38个国家之一 在那里我可以合法地嫁给我的女朋友。 |
| 643 | My sisters had a 50-50 chance of being born in a country where they would have gender parity | 我的姐妹们有50到50个机会 出生在一个他们能实现两性均等的国家 |
| 644 | and education. | 教育。 |
| 645 | We live in a successful country with a functioning democracy and equal rights | 我们生活在一个民主运作和权利平等的成功国家 |
| 646 | legislation. | 立法。 |
| 647 | No thank you. | 不,谢谢。 |
| 648 | But I would like to weigh up the idea of British values and suggest | 但我想权衡一下英国的价值观 并提出 |
| 649 | to you that this house should not fight for the country under these ideals. | 这房子不应该在这些理想下为国家而战 |
| 650 | I'll take a point now. | 我现在就说重点 |
| 651 | Sure, and you have to defend your country. | 当然,你必须捍卫你的国家。 |
| 652 | In that case, will it not be likely that you have | 那样的话,你就不会 |
| 653 | to fight for the country? | 为了国家而战? |
| 654 | I think there is a difference between being called up to fight | 我觉得被召去打仗是不一样的 |
| 655 | in a war that involves all of humanity, that involves the rights of the citizens, | 在一场涉及全人类,涉及公民权利的战争中, |
| 656 | and the idea of a country as a whole, which I'll now talk about. | 和整个国家的想法, 我现在要谈谈。 |
| 657 | But thank you for raising that | 不过谢谢你提起这个 |
| 658 | point. | 点。 |
| 659 | No thank you, I just answered one. | 不,谢谢,我刚刚回答一个。 |
| 660 | Wars fought under the headline of promoting freedom | 战争以自由为标题 |
| 661 | and democracy under the leadership of our countries are often merely a disguise for | 在我们各国领导下的民主往往只是掩饰 |
| 662 | pursuit of power. | 追求权力。 |
| 663 | Laura Bush, the former first lady, who I know is American, gave an interview | 劳拉·布什,前第一夫人,我知道她是美国人,接受采访 |
| 664 | in 2001 stating that America was right to invade Afghanistan as the soldiers will free Afghan women | 2001年说美国入侵阿富汗是对的 因为士兵会释放阿富汗妇女 |
| 665 | and bring democracy to their country. | 并给他们的国家带来民主。 |
| 666 | What instead happened was 20 years of meaningless bloodshed in | 相反,发生了20年毫无意义的流血事件 |
| 667 | which almost 3,000 soldiers died and then a shameful withdrawal where the Taliban seized | 近3 000名士兵死亡,随后塔利班在塔利班占领下可耻地撤出 |
| 668 | control of the country again and Afghan women were banned from education, employment, traveling | * 禁止阿富汗妇女接受教育、就业和旅行 |
| 669 | without a male companion and dressing freely. | 没有男性伴侣 和衣着自由。 |
| 670 | The United Kingdom sent 150,000 soldiers to fight | 英国派遣15万士兵参战 |
| 671 | for this outcome. | 为此结果。 |
| 672 | Would this house, with this track record, go and fight under the banner of | 这所房子,有这个记录, 会去战斗 旗下 |
| 673 | democracy for this country? | 这个国家的民主? |
| 674 | When we have been asked to fight for our country before, we have | 我们之前被要求为国家而战时 |
| 675 | always fought under the idea of a social contract, and I thank the first speaker for raising that, | 总是在社会契约的理念下奋斗,我感谢第一位发言者提出这一点, |
| 676 | in which the government can work for the people who are being asked to fight. | 在其中,政府可以为被要求战斗的人们工作. |
| 677 | In World War I, | 在第一次世界大战中 |
| 678 | soldiers were promised homes for heroes and in World War II we emerged with a new welfare state. | 士兵们被许配给英雄家园 在二战中 我们有了一个新的福利国家 |
| 679 | Regardless of the successes of this suggested social contract, I would ask everyone in this | 不管这个社会契约有什么成功 我都会问每个人 |
| 680 | house, what do you believe the government is offering you? | 你相信政府会给你什么? |
| 681 | Five prime ministers in six years? | 6年内5位首相? |
| 682 | A student loan system so broken that you'll earn more interest in a year than you'll pay back? | 一个学生贷款制度 如此破碎,你会得到更多的利息 在一年里,你比 你还? |
| 683 | No, | 没有 |
| 684 | thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 685 | A country where MPs stand up in their chamber and mock the death of a young trans woman? | 一个国家的议员站在他们的房间 嘲笑一个年轻的跨性别妇女的死亡? |
| 686 | Police officers who have to be investigated for their culture of sexual assault and racism? | 因性攻击和种族主义文化而受到调查的警官? |
| 687 | What does the United Kingdom offer its Scottish, Irish and Welsh citizens? | 联合王国向苏格兰、爱尔兰和威尔士公民提供什么? |
| 688 | Where is their voice? | 他们的声音呢? |
| 689 | Where is their referendum? | 他们的公民投票在哪里? |
| 690 | What do you personally have to fight for? | 你个人要为什么呢? |
| 691 | Is it your king and is it your | 是你的国王还是你的 |
| 692 | country? | 国家? |
| 693 | No, thank you. | 不 谢谢 |
| 694 | I'm going to make some progress. | 我要取得一些进展。 |
| 695 | With this question, I'd like to draw | 有了这个问题,我想画 |
| 696 | your attention to perhaps the most salient point, our current situation. | 请你注意我们目前的状况 |
| 697 | We exist, as Majanas | 我们的存在,作为马雅纳斯 |
| 698 | Glorulac, head of the International Red Cross has said, in a decade of war. | 国际红十字会负责人Glorulac说,在十年战争中. |
| 699 | But these wars are unique | 但是这些战争是独一无二的 |
| 700 | from any that we have fought before. | 从我们之前的战斗中 |
| 701 | Although international connection is perhaps greater than | 虽然国际联系可能大于 |
| 702 | ever, countries' involvement in other countries' wars is decreasing. | 各国参与其他国家战争的程度在下降。 |
| 703 | No longer will Britain go to | 英国再也不会去 |
| 704 | war alongside America, we will just send in troops and support instead. | 我们只要派兵支援美国 |
| 705 | Perhaps the most | 也许最 |
| 706 | supported military effort of our time, the war in Ukraine, has seen no official military action by | 支持我们时代的军事努力,乌克兰的战争,没有看到任何官方的军事行动, |
| 707 | the UK. | 英国。 |
| 708 | This decade of war can be categorized by the leaders of countries literally just picking | 这十年的战争可以归结为 国家领导人 字面上只是挑 |
| 709 | fights. | 战斗。 |
| 710 | No, thank you. | 不 谢谢 |
| 711 | I have to make some progress. | 我必须取得一些进展。 |
| 712 | Just as in the war in Ukraine or the | 就像在乌克兰战争或 |
| 713 | American attacks on Iran or the genocide in Gaza, world leaders are picking on a weaker country | 美国对伊朗的攻击或加沙的种族灭绝 世界领导人正在挑拨一个弱小的国家 |
| 714 | in the pursuit of some value that they believe is worth military action. | 追求他们认为值得采取军事行动的价值。 |
| 715 | They put their country on | 他们把国家置于 |
| 716 | the lines, they sacrifice the lives of their citizens and they weaken their economy in the | 他们牺牲公民的生命 削弱经济 |
| 717 | pursuit of the idea of something great. | 追求伟大的东西的想法。 |
| 718 | So the question I would ask this House is, does our | 所以,我要问的问题 本院是,我们 |
| 719 | country have something great? | 国家有什么伟大的东西? |
| 720 | Does it offer you something great? | 它能给你带来什么好东西吗? |
| 721 | Should we pick that fight? | 我们应该选那场比赛吗? |
| 722 | We have not learned from or fixed our history. | 我们没有从历史中吸取教训,也没有修补历史。 |
| 723 | We do not offer our citizens enough to ask them | 我们没有给我们的公民足够的要求 |
| 724 | to sacrifice their lives. | 牺牲他们的生命。 |
| 725 | We may have to fight. | 我们也许必须战斗。 |
| 726 | No, thank you. | 不 谢谢 |
| 727 | I have to finish. | 我必须完成。 |
| 728 | We may have to | 我们也许必须 |
| 729 | fight. | 战斗。 |
| 730 | We may have to defend our human rights, our humanity, the needs of the world. | 我们也许必须捍卫我们的人权、我们的人性和世界的需要。 |
| 731 | But should | 但应该 |
| 732 | we fight under the banner of king and country? | 我们在国王和国家的旗帜下作战? |
| 733 | Where does your duty lie? | 你的职责在哪里? |
| 734 | Who are you being asked | 你被问到谁了? |
| 735 | to fight for? | 争取? |
| 736 | I would urge everyone in this House to support the proposition. | 我敦促本大会堂中的每一个人支持这一提议。 |
| 737 | You may fight, | 你可以战斗了 |
| 738 | but you should not fight for king and country. | 但你不应该为国王和国家而战 |
| 739 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 740 | Thank you very much, Martha. | 谢谢你,玛莎 |
| 741 | Order, please. | 请安静 |
| 742 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 743 | We now move across the floor | 我们现在搬过地板 |
| 744 | second speaker in opposition, Dr Chris Parry. | 第二位反对者是克里斯·帕里博士。 |
| 745 | Dr Chris Parry runs his own strategic forecasting | 克里斯·帕里博士负责自己的战略预测 |
| 746 | practice covering geopolitics, future warfare and systemic risk. | 包括地缘政治、未来战争和系统风险的实践。 |
| 747 | He holds a doctor in organisational | 他有组织医生 |
| 748 | and behavioural psychology, comments regularly on geopolitics across broadcast and online media | 和行为心理学,定期对广播和在线媒体的地缘政治发表评论 |
| 749 | and is the resident expert on the long running series, History Undone. | 并且是长期运行系列的常驻专家,"历史Undone". |
| 750 | After reading modern | 读完现代 |
| 751 | history at Jesus College, Oxford, he served as an aviator and warfare officer in the Royal Navy, | 在牛津耶稣学院的历史 他曾在皇家海军担任飞行员和战争军官 |
| 752 | commanding two destroyers, an amphibious assault ship and the UK's amphibious task group. | 指挥两艘驱逐舰,一艘两栖攻击舰和英国两栖任务组. |
| 753 | His | 其语 |
| 754 | operational deployments ranged from the North Atlantic to the Falklands, where he disabled | 业务部署范围从北大西洋到福克兰群岛,他在那里致残 |
| 755 | an enemy submarine and rescued 16 SAS troopers from a glacier during the hurricane. | 在飓风期间从冰川中解救了16名SAS部队人员。 |
| 756 | He also held | 他还坚持 |
| 757 | three senior strategy and policy roles in the Ministry of Defence. | 国防部的三个高级战略和政策角色。 |
| 758 | Dr Chris Parry, you have | 克里斯・帕里博士,你有 |
| 759 | the floor. | 倒 |
| 760 | Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it gives me great pleasure to | 总统先生,女士们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生们,先生 |
| 761 | stand here. | 站在这里。 |
| 762 | My wife went to Cambridge. | 我妻子去了剑桥 |
| 763 | We have a divided household. | 我们有一个分裂的家庭。 |
| 764 | It's constant war between the | 这是不断的战争 |
| 765 | two major universities, as you can imagine. | 两大大学,你可以想象。 |
| 766 | Right. | 对 |
| 767 | Should have gone to spec savers. | 本来应该去找保护者 |
| 768 | Beans means | 豆子意味着 |
| 769 | Heinz. | 海因兹. |
| 770 | Every little helps. | 每一个小小的帮助。 |
| 771 | Guinness is good for you. | 吉尼斯对你有好处 |
| 772 | None of these things are true. | 这些都不是真的 |
| 773 | And it's the | 这是 |
| 774 | same with this proposition. | 和这个提议一样 |
| 775 | You don't fight for king and country. | 你不为国王和国家而战 |
| 776 | I've never fought for king and | 我从未为国王而战 |
| 777 | country. | 国家。 |
| 778 | It's actually a marketing slogan. | 这其实是一个营销口号. |
| 779 | What you fight for is in this place. | 你为这里而战 |
| 780 | Every face that I | 我的每一张脸 |
| 781 | see here, nobody fights for king and country. | 看这里 没人会为国王和国家而战 |
| 782 | Really, you fight for the people you love, | 真的,你为爱的人而战 |
| 783 | the British people, your families and your communities, and you fight to save them from | 英国人民,你的家属和你的社区, 你为拯救他们而斗争 |
| 784 | something that is worse than war. | 比战争更糟的东西 |
| 785 | What is that? | 这是什么? |
| 786 | It's existential threats. | 这是生存威胁 |
| 787 | It's all sorts of things | 这是所有的事情 |
| 788 | associated with your interests. | 与你的利益有关 |
| 789 | Do we really want a world run by totalitarian states? | 我们真的想要一个由极权国家管理的世界吗? |
| 790 | When we look | 当我们看时 |
| 791 | at war, why it happens, and let's face it, war is the normal condition of human beings. | 战争是人类的正常状况 |
| 792 | Last 70 years, | 过去70年 |
| 793 | we've actually had a holiday from it in Europe, but actually there's quite a lot of war porn around, | 实际上我们在欧洲有个假期 但实际上有很多战争片 |
| 794 | call of duty on the video, stacks of shelves of military history. | 在录像上发号施令 一堆军事历史的架子 |
| 795 | We're really interested in it, | 我们真的很感兴趣, |
| 796 | deeply interested in warfare, but we really want to see it at a distance. | 对战争非常感兴趣,但我们真的想远处看到它。 |
| 797 | Ladies and gentlemen, | 女士们,先生们, |
| 798 | I've seen war close up. | 我看过战争结束 |
| 799 | It's horrible, it's fascinating, and it's incredibly rewarding | 这太可怕了 令人着迷了 令人难以置信的回报 |
| 800 | if you get it right. | 如果你是对的。 |
| 801 | It's the most complicated evolution or organization that mankind gets to | 这是人类最复杂的进化或组织 |
| 802 | and it also is the source of the biggest foul-ups as well if you get it wrong. | 如果你弄错了,它也是最大的错误的根源。 |
| 803 | This is deeply serious business that we're doing here, and if you don't get the lead from the | 这是非常严肃的生意 我们正在做在这里, 如果你没有得到线索 |
| 804 | politicians, as the first speaker on my side said, you'll get an almighty foul-up. | 政客们,正如我这边的第一位发言者所说, 你会得到一个万能的犯规。 |
| 805 | Let's look at | 我们来看看 |
| 806 | Afghanistan, shall we? | 阿富汗,可以吗? |
| 807 | The three principles of strategy are you have political outcomes established, | 战略的三项原则是 你的政治结果已经确立 |
| 808 | you have the resources available, and you have the military means to be able to do that. | 你拥有可用的资源 你有军事手段来做到这一点。 |
| 809 | Those | 这些 |
| 810 | things are absolutely vital to actually conducting a successful war. | 事情对实际进行一场成功的战争绝对重要。 |
| 811 | None of those three things was | 这三件事都没有 |
| 812 | provided in Afghanistan, so to the other side the reason it didn't work is none of the preconditions | 在阿富汗提供,所以对另一边来说,它不起作用的原因 根本不是先决条件 |
| 813 | for warfare actually were applied. | 实际使用了战争。 |
| 814 | After the Falklands war I was very lucky to be invited | 福克兰群岛战争结束后 我有幸被邀请 |
| 815 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我去唐宁街坐在玛格丽特撒切尔旁边 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我想我该对这位女士说什么 | |
| 816 | and when I got to sit next to her during the pudding course I said what did you learn from | 当我在布丁课上坐在她旁边时,我说了你学到了什么 |
| 817 | the Falklands war, Prime Minister, and she said you tell me first what you learnt and I said I | 福克兰群岛战争,总理,她说你先告诉我 你学到了什么,我说 |
| 818 | learnt about myself actually whether I could do it because I'd never been in a war before I didn't | 学会了自己,其实我能不能做到这一点 因为我从来没有参加过战争,我没有参加过战争 |
| 819 | know what it would be like and I said to her what did you learn and she said I learnt that we have | 我告诉她你学到了什么 她说我学到了我们 |
| 820 | to give political outcomes to our military people not try and fight the war for them. | 给我们的军人带来政治结果 而不是为他们打仗 |
| 821 | It's the smartest thing that I have heard in 40 years of being in this business and unless you | 这是40年来我听过的最聪明的事了 除非你 |
| 822 | establish those political outcomes all the evils will come out that you've heard from the other | 确定那些政治结果 所有邪恶都会从另一个人那里出来 |
| 823 | side. | 侧面。 |
| 824 | The other thing I'd like to talk to you about is our closest cousins chimpanzees because | 还有一件事我想跟你谈谈 我们最亲近的堂兄弟黑猩猩 |
| 825 | it's the nearest evidence we've got to how various sort of primates interact. | 这是最近的证据表明 各种灵长类动物是如何相互作用的 |
| 826 | Chimpanzees are in a perpetual fight with each other they are extremely competitive they kill | 黑猩猩不断互相争斗 他们极有竞争力 杀人 |
| 827 | each other bonobos on the other side and that's a sort of Mr Bean type word bonobos as you can | 对方是gunbos 在另一边, 这是某种 豆类先生的字,你可以 |
| 828 | imagine okay they don't they're cooperative but here's the thing when chimpanzees meet bonobos | 想象一下,他们不合作 但当黑猩猩遇到黑猩猩的时候 |
| 829 | they kill them and I'm afraid to say that is how the world is today you've heard from Tobias very | 他们杀了他们 我不敢说今天的世界就是这样 你从托比亚斯那里听说的 |
| 830 | briefly here this is a world where you have chimpanzees and bonobos and we're the bonobos | 简而言之,这是一个有黑猩猩和黑猩猩的世界 我们是黑猩猩 |
| 831 | I'm afraid and if we don't actually wake up the chimpanzees are going to come our way it's as | 我害怕 如果我们不真正醒来 黑猩猩会来我们的方式,它就像 |
| 832 | simple as that. | 很简单 |
| 833 | I was listening to a Russian general the other day talking to a group just | 那天我在听一个俄国将军 和一群人聊天 |
| 834 | like yourselves a group of very aspirational people and this major said to the general | 像你们一样,一群非常有抱负的人 和这个少校对将军说 |
| 835 | and I speak Russian how are we going to do the war in Ukraine and the Russian general simply said | 我讲俄语 我们如何在乌克兰和俄国将军之间 展开战争 |
| 836 | we are going to throw corpses at the problem and everybody in this place got up and clapped him | 我们要把尸体扔在问题上 这地方的每个人都站起来,把他抓起来 |
| 837 | that is what we are facing ladies and gentlemen this is not a benign world anymore and if you | 这就是我们面对的 女士们先生们 这已经不是良性的世界了 如果你 |
| 838 | think that there's this nirvana this utopia where the lion can lie down with the lamb | 想想这只乌托邦 狮子可以和羊一起躺下 |
| 839 | I think that's a great idea if you frequently replace the lamb it's as simple as that | 如果你经常换羊肉,那就太好了 很简单 |
| 840 | now I'd like to do a bit of audience participation here | 现在我想做一点观众参与 |
| 841 | how many of you would fight and kill in defense of your iPhone hands up okay | 你们中有多少人会为了保卫自己的iPhone手而战斗和杀人? |
| 842 | right as a psychologist I'll now do the psychopath test I think okay right right how many of you | 作为心理学家,我现在做心理测试,我想对了,你们有多少人 |
| 843 | would fight in defense of your pet how many of you would fight in defense of your parents | 为了保护你的宠物 你们中有多少人为了保护父母而战斗 |
| 844 | this is the dodgy question how many of you would fight in defense of your partner girlfriend | 问题是 你们中有多少人会为搭档女友辩护 |
| 845 | boyfriend or other I'm looking at a number of couples down here | 男朋友或其他人 我在这里看到很多情侣 |
| 846 | so and how many would fight in defense of yourselves the rest of you phone the | 有多少人为了保卫自己而战斗 其他人打电话 |
| 847 | samaritans immediately okay now look I have commanded by sea by land and by air | 萨马里特人马上好 现在我从海陆空指挥 |
| 848 | it's not difficult once you're trained all of you could do it I would say there are potential | 一旦你受过训练,那就不是难事了 你们所有的人都能做到,我会说有潜力的 |
| 849 | generals admirals and air marshals sitting amongst you you can all do it you just have to | 海军上将和空军元帅坐在你们中间,你们可以做,你们只需要做 |
| 850 | be trained you need to be motivated you need to be able to do it I hesitate to say air marshals | 训练你需要动力 才能做到 我不敢说空警 |
| 851 | because that's the RAF and we don't talk about the RAF but there we go mainly because it's a | 因为那是皇家空军,我们不谈皇家空军 但是我们去那里 主要是因为这是一个 |
| 852 | Thursday night and they're all gone on weekend early it's as simple as that I thought that would | 周四晚上,他们都走了 周末很早。 。 。 |
| 853 | that would hook somebody yeah what do you want | 那会勾引某人 你想怎样 |
| 854 | well done okay now the point is war is hell war is fascinating as I said | 好了,现在的要点是 战争是地狱战争是迷人的 正如我说的 |
| 855 | but it is essential to our world today and if we get into a situation like we had before in | 但是,这对我们当今世界来说是至关重要的 如果我们进入了我们以前的处境 |
| 856 | the 1930s where weakness becomes a provocation to people where a window of opportunity for | 在1930年代 软弱变成了对人们的挑衅 在那里,机会之窗 |
| 857 | our opponents becomes coincident with our window of opportunity we're going to be in serious | 我们的对手与我们的机会之窗相契合 我们要严肃对待 |
| 858 | trouble nobody wants to fight I don't want to fight because actually it's a pension risk for me | 麻烦没人想打,我也不想打 因为实际上,这是养老金风险 |
| 859 | you shouldn't want to fight you should never wish yourself in a war but there are things worse than | 你不应该想打 你不应该希望自己 在战争中,但有 事情比 |
| 860 | war think about 1940 what would have been visited on this place do you know what would have happened | 战争是1940年的事 你知道会发生什么吗? |
| 861 | this place if the Nazis had invaded it would have become the headquarters for the SS so would | 如果纳粹入侵了这里 就会成为党卫队的总部 |
| 862 | Oxford that's what we were being threatened with in 1940 that's what the people of 1933 | 牛津,那是我们在1940年受到威胁的 1933年的民众 |
| 863 | were anticipating they had had the shock of the great war they had to do it but I put it to you | 本来以为他们受了大战的震撼... ...他们不得不这样做... |
| 864 | in all of this if you're not prepared to fight for this marketing slogan which is king and country | 在这一切,如果你不准备 为这个营销口号,这是国王和国家 |
| 865 | okay you might very well have to because what you're transmitting by saying you're not prepared | 好吧,你可能非常需要 因为你正在传递的东西 通过说你没有准备好 |
| 866 | to fight for king and country please come and get us please come and tell us actually how to | 为国王和国家而战 请来接我们 请来告诉我们如何 |
| 867 | do it if we had this debate now in Ukraine will you fight for the government in the country | 如果我们现在在乌克兰举行辩论 你会为政府而战 |
| 868 | everyone's going to say yes we will why because the alternative Russian domination the sort of | 每个人都会说是的,我们会的,为什么,因为俄罗斯的另类统治 |
| 869 | that I told you about is right on their doorstep we have the privilege of being the furthest apart | 我跟你说过,就在他们家门口 我们有幸能走到最远 |
| 870 | from the Irish from any land threat in the whole of Europe right now we look at it through a video | 从爱尔兰人那里 从整个欧洲的任何土地威胁 我们通过录像来看 |
| 871 | screen as I said we read about it we send blood and treasure abroad we never feel it and until | 正如我所说,我们读到它, 我们把血和宝藏送到国外, 我们从来没有感觉到它,直到 |
| 872 | the missiles are landing in Kent rather than Kandahar or Kiev and they can they're the same | 导弹降落在肯特 而不是坎大哈或基辅 他们可以是一样的 |
| 873 | they've got the same range we're not going to get it but I'm telling you now | 他们的射程和我们一样 但我告诉你 |
| 874 | I look around the faces that I see you are the generation that will have to fight any war that | 我环顾周围的面孔,我看到你是 一代将不得不打 任何战争, |
| 875 | we have in the next 10 years and as I said if you don't actually say now that you're prepared to do | 正如我所说 如果你现在不说 你准备好做 |
| 876 | it war will come your way being prepared to say that you will fight is sufficient deterrent to | 战争将会来临 你准备说,你会战斗 足以威慑 |
| 877 | these people and let's face it you've all just confirmed in that show of hands that you're | 面对现实吧 你们刚刚在展示中确认 |
| 878 | prepared to actually fight and kill please conclude so ladies and gentlemen what I look | 准备实际战斗和杀戮 请结束 女士们先生们 |
| 879 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我也会在前线等你 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我也是 | |
| 880 | and thank you very much Chris we now move on to our final round of floor speeches | 非常感谢克里斯 我们现在开始最后一轮演讲 |
| 881 | would anyone like to speak in proposition to the motion yes please name and college | 有人愿意为动议发言吗? |
| 882 | thank you Farron Smith Selwyn College I would like to speak in proposition of this motion partly | 谢谢你 法伦·史密斯·塞尔温学院 我想谈谈这个动议 |
| 883 | to take on something that Tobias said in his speech which is this idea that world war three | 来承担托比亚斯在演讲中所说的话 那就是第三次世界大战 |
| 884 | is coming we're in the foothills of world war three world war three is going to come hopefully | 即将到来 我们身处世界大战的山坡 第三次世界大战有望到来 |
| 885 | we're going to win and we're going to have the right to shape whatever world order follows that | 我们要赢 我们有权塑造世界秩序 |
| 886 | I really don't think that that is what would come I think I don't say I would not fight for | 我真的不认为那会是什么 来,我想我不说 我不会争取 |
| 887 | king and country because I think it is wrong to fight against aggression but because of what comes | 国王和国家,因为我认为反对侵略是错的,但因为会发生什么 |
| 888 | after you fight because when we look around the world when we fought in 1939 in 1940 all the way | 因为我们在1940年的战斗中 环顾世界 |
| 889 | until 1945 it was a different world we didn't have nuclear weapons this was still an era | 直到1945年 我们没有核武器的世界 至今仍是一个时代 |
| 890 | where we had definitive conflicts between states that ended in definitive resolutions when we look | 我们曾经在国与国之间 有过明确的冲突 以最终决议结束 |
| 891 | around the world today we see forever wars all over the world many of them I should say because | 在今天的世界上,我们看到全世界永远的战争。 |
| 892 | of direct intervention by Russia by America by Britain by other NATO countries look at Sudan look | 英国直接干涉俄罗斯 北约其他国家干涉苏丹 |
| 893 | at what was happening until Syria in Syria look at what is happening in Russia and Ukraine sure | 直到叙利亚在叙利亚, |
| 894 | as I said happening in Syria until recently the Syrian war dragged on for many many many years | 正如我所说,直到最近叙利亚战争持续了多年 |
| 895 | and killed hundreds of thousands of people and caused a refugee crisis the effects of which | 并造成一场难民危机,其影响 |
| 896 | we're still seeing around the world that's not a good thing that I want to see in the world whether | 我们依然看到 世界各地,这不是一件好事 我想看到的世界,是否 |
| 897 | or not it's ongoing now yeah I don't think we can see we can fight a war win a war and come out with | 或不是正在进行中 是的,我想我们看不到 我们可以打一场战争 赢得一场战争 |
| 898 | a country a global society that is remotely recognizable to what we know today I also want | 一个能够被我们今日所知的 |
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| 900 | look at the founding values of the University of Cambridge we see this as something that we should | 从剑桥大学的创始价值来看 我们认为这是我们应该 |
| 901 | yes liberalism didn't part come from Cambridge but what also came from Cambridge it was absolutely | 是的 自由主义不是来自剑桥 而是来自剑桥的 |
| 902 | crucial in the development of the ideas of liberal imperialism which when people came from the UK and | 对自由帝国主义思想的发展至关重要,当人们来自联合王国和 |
| 903 | from England all across the world when they fought they were fighting for king and country all the | 他们为国王和国家而战 |
| 904 | way through the 18th century the 19th century all the way through most of the 20th century what they | 穿过18世纪 19世纪 穿过20世纪的大部分时间 |
| 905 | were doing was they were spreading genocide and colonization and what's more when we hear about | 他们正在传播 种族灭绝和殖民化 当我们听到更多 |
| 906 | Chris Perry I think also spoke about duty in this idea Chris Perry if I'm correct you were told by | 克里斯·派瑞 我想在这个想法里 也提到了职责 克里斯·派瑞 如果我是对的的话 |
| 907 | Nigel Farage that you should apologize for remarks you made saying that David Lammy's true loyalties | 奈杰尔・法拉吉,你应该道歉 你说的话,大卫・拉米的真正忠诚 |
| 908 | lay in the Caribbean I'm not sure this is someone we should be listening to about ideas about duty | 我不确定这是谁 我们应该听 关于责任的想法 |
| 909 | I have read what Chris Perry said and I don't agree with Nigel Farage and very much which is | 我读过克里斯·佩里的话 我不同意奈杰尔·法拉吉的话 |
| 910 | one of those few occasions thank you very much thank you very much in the future please wait for | 有几次谢谢你 以后非常感谢你 请等等 |
| 911 | the speaker to accept or reject your point of information before speaking right would | 发言者接受或拒绝你的信息,然后才说对 |
| 912 | anyone like to speak in opposition to the motion yes please name and college thank you I'm Will | 任何反对动议的人 请说出名字和大学的名声 谢谢 我是威尔 |
| 913 | and I'm from Robinson College now look when I saw this motion I was reminded of an old adage a | 我来自罗宾逊学院 当我看到这个动议时 有人提醒我有个古老的格言 |
| 914 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我真想说真的 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我真该死 | |
| 915 | for those who don't know Latin is a Sweden proper to die for one's country it's not but then I | 对于不懂拉丁语的人来说,瑞典人可以为自己的国家而死,但后来我却不是。 |
| 916 | realized Burke talks about how society is it's something we've inherited of generations before | 伯克谈到社会是怎样的 这是我们世代相传的东西 |
| 917 | something we preserve and it's something that we pass on to generations that follow we are | 我们所保存的东西 是我们传给后代的 |
| 918 | ultimately preservers and the society we have in front of us is because the sacrifice of those | 归根结底,保护者 和我们面前的社会 是因为这些牺牲 |
| 919 | before us now look I'm I could probably shoot but I definitely would you know be killed at war like | 之前,现在看,我也许可以射击 但我肯定你会知道 在战争中被杀死像 |
| 920 | I'm not going to do that but fighting comes but fighting but fighting comes in many forms fighting | 我不会这么做,但战斗来了,战斗来了,战斗来了,但战斗有多种形式 |
| 921 | isn't just you know being a man or woman on the front lines with a rifle it's being that person | 不只是你知道 当男人或女人 在前线 用步枪 是那个人 |
| 922 | in a data center who is who's defending us against cyber attacks I think as Tobias pointed out | 就像托拜厄斯指出的,在数据中心里 谁在保护我们免受网络攻击 |
| 923 | fighting is many many things and it's not inherently well physically violent | 斗殴是很多事情 它本来就不是很好 身体暴力 |
| 924 | so I think that this house has to think before they say they would not fight for this country | 所以,我认为这房子必须思考之前 他们说他们不会为这个国家而战 |
| 925 | we're not asking them to lay down their lives for this country because most people aren't martyrs | 我们不是要他们为这个国家献出生命 因为大多数人不是烈士 |
| 926 | I'm certainly not but there's far more to it for that there's strategic roles as Chris talked about | 我当然不是,但还有 远不止这一点,有战略角色 像克里斯谈论 |
| 927 | there's roles which are in infrastructure there's roles which are far from being a man or a woman | 基础设施中的角色 远非男人或女人的角色 |
| 928 | with a rifle so yeah also I don't understand what Chris's comments on the Caribbean quite frankly | 带着步枪 我也不明白 克里斯对加勒比海的看法 |
| 929 | have to do with his argument of fighting for the country like I don't know but they're not relevant | 和他为国家而战的争吵有关 就像我不知道的,但都无关 |
| 930 | sorry okay finally would anyone like to speak in abstention to the motion | 对不起 终于有人想弃权了 |
| 931 | to the member in the back over there name and college hello everyone my name is Mannat Gupta | 后面那个成员的名字 和大学的问候 大家好 我叫曼纳特·古普塔 |
| 932 | and I'm from Queen's College honestly I find it difficult to completely agree with either side of | 我来自皇后学院 老实说 我觉得很难完全同意 |
| 933 | the this motion I don't think anyone should be expected to fight for a king simply because he is | 这个动议,我不认为 任何人应该被期待 争取一个国王仅仅因为他是 |
| 934 | but I don't think refusing to fight is always the right answer | 但我不认为拒绝战斗是正确答案 |
| 935 | for me this is not about fighting for the king it's about fighting for your country | 对我来说,这不是为国王而战 而是为你的国家而战 |
| 936 | for your people and for a cause you genuinely believe in | 为你们的宗族和你们所信仰的, |
| 937 | There's a difference between fighting because someone in power tells you to and fighting because you believe something is worth protecting | 战斗是有区别的 因为当权者告诉你和战斗 因为你相信有东西值得保护 |
| 938 | I wouldn't want to die for someone else's ambitions | 我不想为别人的野心而死 |
| 939 | But it is my freedom if my freedom my family or the principles I believe in were under threat | 但如果我的自由 我的家族或我信仰的原则受到威胁 |
| 940 | I wouldn't want to stand back either | 我也不想退缩 |
| 941 | It is imperative to understand the issue here is not sacrificing but questioning what one is sacrificing for and that's why I abstain | 必须理解,这里的问题不是牺牲,而是质疑一个人牺牲什么,这就是为什么我弃权。 |
| 942 | Because I don't think the answer should be an unconditional yes or no | 因为我不认为答案是无条件的 |
| 943 | I don't believe in blind patriotism | 我不相信盲目的爱国主义 |
| 944 | I believe in having the courage to question what you're fighting for and the conviction to stand up for it when it matters | 我相信有勇气去质疑你为什么而战 并且有信念去捍卫它 |
| 945 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 946 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 947 | We now move on to our final round of speaker of paper speakers | 现在轮到最后一轮的纸质发言者 |
| 948 | speaking in | 说话 |
| 949 | Proposition is Aidan McCade | 提议是艾丹·麦凯德 |
| 950 | That's right a writer an independent human rights consultant and was director of anti slavery international from 2006 to 2017 | 没错,作家是一位独立人权顾问,2006年至2017年担任反奴隶制国际总监. |
| 951 | prior to that he worked extents extensively in development and humanitarian operations including from | 在此之前,他在发展和人道主义行动中广泛开展工作,包括: |
| 952 | 1996 to 2001 leading Oxfam GB's emergency responses to the brutal civil war in Angola | 1996年至2001年领导牛津救济会对安哥拉残酷内战的紧急反应 |
| 953 | He is a recognized expert on forced labor and trafficking and he regularly advises businesses international and non-governmental | 他是公认的强迫劳动和贩运问题专家,他经常为国际和非政府企业提供咨询。 |
| 954 | organizations in | 联合国 |
| 955 | 2017 he was awarded an honorary OBE for his work on the elimination of modern slavery in | 2017年,他因其在消除现代奴隶制方面的工作而获得荣誉OBE奖. |
| 956 | 2024 he returned this in protest at the UK government's refusal to provide adequate protections in their hostile environment | 2024年他归还了这个,以抗议英国政府拒绝在敌对环境中提供充分的保护. |
| 957 | For migrants to victims of modern slavery | 对现代奴隶制受害者的移民 |
| 958 | He holds a PhD from the University of Strathclyde and is author of three books Aidan you have the ears of the house | 他拥有斯特拉斯克莱德大学的博士学位 并且是三本书的作者 艾丹 你听得懂 |
| 959 | Well, thanks very much. | 谢谢 |
| 960 | Can everybody hear me? | 大家能听见我吗? |
| 961 | Can everybody understand me? | 大家都能理解我吗? |
| 962 | Now Aries people tend to speak a bit faster than English people are able to think but you know | 爱丽丝人说话的速度比英国人要快 |
| 963 | Cambridge students, so I think you'll do okay | 剑桥学生,所以我觉得你们会做得很好 |
| 964 | First of all, thanks for having me. | 首先 谢谢你邀请我 |
| 965 | It's very nice to be here. | 来此甚欢喜. |
| 966 | Very nice to learn from my fellow speakers and indeed from all of you | 很高兴从我的同声代言人那里 和你们大家那里学到东西 |
| 967 | I appreciate it may be a bit ironic me speaking in proposition for this motion | 我很感激我为这个动议发言 可能有点讽刺 |
| 968 | Given that I'm here dressed as a tribute act for James Bond, but there's the circumstances in which I find myself | 鉴于我在这里打扮成对詹姆斯·邦德的致敬 但有我发现自己的环境 |
| 969 | So at the outset I want to acknowledge that there's various ways of fighting | 所以首先我想承认 战斗有多种方式 |
| 970 | Some of us may pick up the pen rather than the sword | 我们有些人可能拿起笔而不是剑 |
| 971 | Some of us may fight by withdrawing our labor or by | 我们中有些人可能会通过退出劳动来战斗,或者通过 |
| 972 | Obstructing traffic in the street, but no matter what your weapon of choice is | 妨碍交通,但不管你选择什么武器 |
| 973 | I would suggest that the only reason ever to fight is for justice and by justice | 我建议,只有正义和正义 才能战斗 |
| 974 | I mean for systems and societies that preserve human life rather than destroy it and promote human happiness | 我是指那些保护人类生命而不是破坏生命、促进人类幸福的系统和社会 |
| 975 | rather than create division | 而不是创建分割 |
| 976 | Human rights are a cause I think are worth fighting for so to his environmental restoration | 人权是值得他为恢复环境而奋斗的原因 |
| 977 | Of course, there are times when taking up arms is justified if your country is being invaded | 当然,有的时候,拿起武器是正当的 如果你的国家被入侵 |
| 978 | If your neighbors face extermination then fighting may be the morally necessary thing to do | 如果你的邻居面临灭绝 那么战斗可能是道德上必须做的事 |
| 979 | But that is not because your country commands it. | 但这并非因为贵国下令这样做。 |
| 980 | It's because justice demands it | 因为正义要求它 |
| 981 | And if your country commands you to perpetrate injustice, then your moral obligation is to refuse | 如果你的国家命令你犯下不公正的行为 那你的道德义务就是拒绝 |
| 982 | So if justice is our justification for fighting | 所以,如果正义是我们打斗的理由 |
| 983 | We must also acknowledge as has been alluded to across the course of the evening | 我们还必须承认,人们在整个夜晚都提到过, |
| 984 | That there have been occasions when British military intervention has made the world a more just place | 英国军事干预使世界更加公正 |
| 985 | The Royal Navy led a protracted campaign against the transatlantic slave trade in the first half of the 19th century | 皇家海军在19世纪上半叶领导了一场反对跨大西洋奴隶贸易的持久运动. |
| 986 | After the fall of France the continued resistance of Commonwealth nations including Britain to the Nazi Germany helped secure the restoration of democracy in Europe | 法国沦陷后,包括英国在内的英联邦国家继续抵抗纳粹德国,帮助欧洲恢复民主. |
| 987 | And UK's intervention in Sierra Leone at the beginning of this century helped the end of bloody civil war there | 英国在本世纪初对塞拉利昂的干预 帮助结束了那里的血腥内战 |
| 988 | But as the old saying goes | 但老话说 |
| 989 | Even a stopped clock is right twice a day | 一天两次都对 |
| 990 | Given the long martial history of Britain | 英军历史悠久 |
| 991 | It is inevitable that it was going to be on the right side of history from time to time | 难免不时会站在历史的正确一边 |
| 992 | These positive examples sit alongside a myriad of much more shameful military interventions | 这些积极的例子与许多更可耻的军事干预同时存在。 |
| 993 | Including Britain's conquest and exploitation of its colonies, the European wars, the Suez crisis | 包括英国征服和开采其殖民地,欧洲战争,苏伊士危机 |
| 994 | The invasion of Iraq. | 入侵伊拉克事件. |
| 995 | I'm just about old enough to remember the Ballymurphy massacre in 1971 | 我只是年纪大到可以记住1971年的巴利穆尔菲大屠杀 |
| 996 | When the British Army killed nine unarmed civilians in the streets of Belfast | 当英军在贝尔法斯特街上杀害了9名手无寸铁的平民 |
| 997 | I am old enough to remember Bloody Sunday and Derry when the British Army murdered 14 civilians | 我老了,记得血腥星期日和德里 当时英国军队杀了14个平民 |
| 998 | For having the temerity to go out onto the streets of their own city demanding civil rights | 因为有胆量走在 他们自己的城市的街道上 要求公民权利 |
| 999 | I remember the Miami Shobant massacre when British | 我记得英国人迈阿密的大屠杀 |
| 1000 | Loyalist paramilitaries in collusion with British soldiers murdered three defenseless musicians and tried to kill two more | 与英国士兵勾结的爱国准军事集团 杀害了三名手无寸铁的音乐家 并试图再杀死两名 |
| 1001 | I remember the period covered in John Ware's recent book Neither Confirm nor Deny | 我记得约翰·沃尔最近写的书 既未确认也未否认 |
| 1002 | Which explores some of the collusion between British intelligence and paramilitary organizations during the Troubles | 探索了英国情报部门与准军事组织 在"麻烦"期间的勾结 |
| 1003 | I remember walking the streets of Belfast in those days with the constant fear of those paramilitaries | 我记得在那些时候 在贝尔法斯特的街道上走着 那些准军事部队的恐惧 |
| 1004 | Armed with British intelligence might visit one of their random attacks upon me or my family | 有英国情报部门的人 可能会去拜访他们任意袭击我或我的家人 |
| 1005 | I'm sure some of you have read the works of | 我相信你们中有些人读过 |
| 1006 | Stanley Milgram or Christopher Browning | 斯坦利·米尔格拉姆或克里斯托弗·布朗宁 |
| 1007 | What their work suggests, notwithstanding important differences between them and criticisms of them | 他们的工作建议,尽管他们之间有重大分歧和批评 |
| 1008 | Is that you do not need an army of psychopaths in order to perpetrate atrocities | 你不需要一群变态的军队 来犯下暴行 |
| 1009 | You need a relatively small number of people willing to initiate brutality and a much larger number of people ready to obey orders | 你需要相对少数的人 愿意发动残暴 更多的人愿意服从命令 |
| 1010 | Conform to expectations or simply look the other way | 与期望一致或只是看相反 |
| 1011 | That is how perfectly ordinary people become accomplices to extraordinary evil | 普通人就是这样成为邪恶的帮凶 |
| 1012 | Versions of those dynamics were at work in the SS murder squads in eastern Poland during the Second World War | 第二次世界大战期间,波兰东部的党卫队谋杀小队正在使用这些动态的版本。 |
| 1013 | At me lie during the Vietnam War and the IRS Birmingham and Guilford pub bombings and in Hamas attack upon festival | 在越南战争和国税局伯明翰和吉福德酒吧的爆炸 以及哈马斯对节日的袭击中 |
| 1014 | Goers on the 7th of October 2023 | 2023年10月7日出发 |
| 1015 | In each case collective allegiance helped justify acts that should have been condemned by individual conscience | 在每一种情况下,集体效忠都有助于为本应受到个人良心谴责的行为辩护 |
| 1016 | So, please understand the danger in treating fighting for king and country as a virtue in itself | 所以,请理解把为国王和国家而战当作美德的危险 |
| 1017 | It asks young people in particular to surrender their consciences to the will of others whose interest | 它特别要求年轻人将自己的良心屈服于其他人的意愿。 |
| 1018 | Interests and morality may never align with those people actually being asked to fight | 利益和道德永远不能与那些 被要求战斗的人一致 |
| 1019 | Now many of you may be fine with that | 现在你们中许多人可能都同意了 |
| 1020 | Many of you as Cambridge students may expect that you will soon be welcomed into the bosom of the British ruling class of this country | 作为剑桥学生的你们中许多人 可能期望你们很快会受到欢迎 来到英国统治阶级的怀抱 |
| 1021 | {\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}并预想着你们会发出命令 而不是接受命令 | |
| 1022 | If that's the case then vote accordingly | 如果是这样的话,那就照此投票 |
| 1023 | But growing up during the troubles in the north of Ireland | 但是在爱尔兰北部的麻烦中长大 |
| 1024 | I think I have an experience which may be some of you here have as being of the receiving end of a military occupation | 我想,我有一个经验, 可能是你们中的一些人在这里, 作为军事占领的接收结束 |
| 1025 | Growing up there and in the course of my professional career in Afghanistan in Ethiopia and in Angola | 在那里长大,并在我在埃塞俄比亚和安哥拉的阿富汗职业生涯中成长 |
| 1026 | Where I led humanitarian operations in assistance for people trapped by war. | 在那里,我领导人道主义行动,援助被战争困住的人。 |
| 1027 | I've learned a few things | 我学到了一些东西 |
| 1028 | Honestly, I've never found it rewarding. | 老实说,我从来没有发现它值得。 |
| 1029 | I've learned that war is not glorious or exciting | 我学会了战争不是光荣或刺激 |
| 1030 | It's generally ghastly and even just wars are evil things | 战争是邪恶的 |
| 1031 | And a victory in a just war can leave societies devastated for generations | 正义战争的胜利会让社会几代人遭受毁灭 |
| 1032 | I've learned that those who endure violence remember it much longer than those who inflict violence | 我知道那些忍受暴力的人 要比那些施加暴力的人 记住它的时间长得多 |
| 1033 | whatever action movies promise | 任何动作电影的承诺 |
| 1034 | Violence rarely delivers the clean resolution that its advocates anticipate | 暴力很少产生其倡导者预期的干净的解决办法。 |
| 1035 | War may defeat an army, but it seldom | 战争可能打败军队,但很少 |
| 1036 | extinguishes the grievances | 消除冤情 |
| 1037 | memories and hatreds that give rise to the conflict in the first place | 最初引起冲突的记忆和仇恨 |
| 1038 | Indeed war may sharpen those and break the restraints on the most brutal of human instincts | 事实上,战争可能使这些更加尖锐,并打破对最残酷的人类本能的限制。 |
| 1039 | History has shown us again and again that the ideal for fighting for your country has been abused | 历史一再向我们表明,为贵国而战的理想遭到滥用。 |
| 1040 | sometimes by cynical people intent on gain | 有时是玩世不恭的人想谋取利益 |
| 1041 | Sometimes by silly ones whose only experience of war is watching the great escape on a bank holiday | 有时被那些愚蠢的人 战争中唯一经历的 就是在银行假日观看大逃亡 |
| 1042 | Neither of those groups is likely ever to have to pay any price themselves for the violence that they unleash | 这些群体都不可能为所引发的暴力付出任何代价。 |
| 1043 | Now perhaps Ed Miliband is finally in the process of crafting an independent foreign policy for the UK | 现在也许埃德·米利班德终于在为英国制定独立的外交政策了 |
| 1044 | I'm not holding my breath | 我没有屏住呼吸 |
| 1045 | But maybe he is one that's not based on the UK's vassalage towards the United States | 但也许他不是基于 英国对美国的支持 |
| 1046 | I'm by extension to the excesses of the Israeli state | 我是以色列国家的过度行为 |
| 1047 | But consider the young RAF crews who were ordered to conduct surveillance flights over Gaza | 但考虑到年轻的皇家空军人员 被命令在加沙上空进行监视飞行 |
| 1048 | The British government maintains that those missions were undertaken solely to assist finding Israeli hostages | 英国政府认为这些任务只是为了协助寻找以色列人质 |
| 1049 | Bloody Sunday | 该死的星期天 |
| 1050 | Hillsborough | 希尔斯堡 |
| 1051 | Windrush the post office scandal. | 温斯鲁夫邮局丑闻. |
| 1052 | I'm sorry if this is news to you, but British public institutions | 我很抱歉,如果这是消息给你, 但英国公共机构 |
| 1053 | Have a long history of concealing wrongdoing and resisting accountability | 隐瞒错失行为和抵制问责的历史悠久 |
| 1054 | So why should we blindly accept that? | 那么我们为什么要盲目接受? |
| 1055 | Everything that those young servicemen and women are being ordered to do is lawful and morally defensible | 那些年轻的军人和女人 正在被命令做的事是合法的,在道德上是站不住脚的 |
| 1056 | particularly when they're operating in the midst of a military campaign that has raised profound questions of | 特别是当他们正在军事行动中进行时 这场军事行动引起了关于 |
| 1057 | international law and British complicity and when those flights continued long after the International Criminal Court | 国际法与英国的共犯行为,以及国际刑事法院成立很久以后这些飞行仍在继续的情况 |
| 1058 | Issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and his former defense minister for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity | 对内塔尼亚胡及其前国防部长涉嫌战争罪和危害人类罪发出逮捕令 |
| 1059 | As the writer Omar al-Aqad has put it the day is coming when everyone will always have been against Netanyahu's | 正如作家Omar al-Aqad所说,每个人都反对内塔尼亚胡。 |
| 1060 | campaigns in Gaza the West Bank Lebanon and wherever else takes his fancy next | 在加沙、西岸、黎巴嫩和其他任何地方 |
| 1061 | When that day comes I fear that the complicity of the Sunni and stormer governments in that violence | 当那一天来临时,我担心逊尼派和冲锋党政府会参与暴力行动。 |
| 1062 | Will be seen as another historical stain on the reputation of the UK | 将被视为英国声誉的另一个历史污点 |
| 1063 | So you may one day find yourselves called upon to fight for your country and perhaps the cause will be just | 因此,有一天,你们可能会发现 自己被召唤去为你们的国家而战 也许事业是正义的 |
| 1064 | If so, you may decide that fighting is your moral obligation | 如果是这样,你可以决定战斗是你的道德义务 |
| 1065 | But remember that even a just war must be fought justly | 但记住,即使是正义战争也必须正义地进行 |
| 1066 | Do not allow the justice of any cause to become an excuse to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war | 不要让任何事业的正义 成为大喊大叫的借口 让战争的狗溜走 |
| 1067 | Do not confuse your country with its government | 不要混淆你的国家和它的政府 |
| 1068 | Do not confuse patriotism with obedience | 不要把爱国与服从混为一谈 |
| 1069 | And never mistake an order from your superiors with moral absolution as citizens | 永远不要把上级的命令 当作公民的道德豁免 |
| 1070 | You have a responsibility to hold the powerful to account | 你有责任追究强权的责任 |
| 1071 | Do not surrender that responsibility to the very people you are supposed to hold accountable | 不要把责任 交给你应该负责的人 |
| 1072 | Fight for justice if justice demands it but never fight simply because king and country ask it | 如果正义需要,就为正义而斗争,但永远不要仅仅因为国王和国家要求而斗争 |
| 1073 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 1074 | Thank you very much Aidan. | 非常感谢艾丹。 |
| 1075 | We now move across the floor to our final speaker | 我们现在跨到最后一位 |
| 1076 | of the evening | 晚间 |
| 1077 | Joshua Delvard 国王学院第二年历史学家 | |
| 1078 | He is an officer cadet in the Unis University of Cambridge officer training court and former head of publicity at the Cambridge Union | 他是剑桥大学大学军官训练院的士官生 剑桥大学联盟前宣传主管 |
| 1079 | Joshua Delvard you have the ears of the house | 约书亚·德尔瓦德 你有房子的耳朵 |
| 1080 | Mr. President members of the house | 总统先生 |
| 1081 | In 1933 members of the Oxford Union voted for this very motion before you all tonight | 1933年,牛津大学联盟的成员 在今晚大家面前投票支持这个动议 |
| 1082 | Regressively the motion passed with 275 votes against 153 | 以275票对153票通过的动议倒退 |
| 1083 | It became known as the Oxford oath a pledge of pacifism in an increasingly dangerous world | 它被称为牛津誓言 在一个越来越危险的世界里 和平主义的誓言 |
| 1084 | Which caused a storm in Britain and across the globe the Telegraph unfairly described disloyalty at Oxford | 这在英国和全世界引起暴风雨 电讯报对牛津的不忠描述不公平 |
| 1085 | Gesture towards the Reds. | 剑指红军. |
| 1086 | I see the Telegraph hasn't changed that the Daily Express put it down to the sexual | 电讯报没有改变 每日快报把它写在性上 |
| 1087 | Indeterminates at Oxford whatever that means | 牛津大学的不确定因素 |
| 1088 | Cambridge University was reported to have threatened to pull out of the boat race because of the | 据报告,剑桥大学曾威胁要退出赛艇比赛,因为 |
| 1089 | Incompatibility of temperament between the two universities therefore surely that is enough to encourage you all to vote against motion this evening | 因此,两所大学之间的脾气不相容,这无疑足以鼓励你们今晚投票反对动议。 |
| 1090 | However, I don't think there has been a single compelling argument from the proposition this evening in favor of that motion. | 然而,我认为今晚的提议没有一项令人信服的论点支持这项动议。 |
| 1091 | I think | 我觉得 |
| 1092 | Paul Lincoln gave an incredible speech | 保罗・林肯发表了一个不可思议的演讲 |
| 1093 | But I feel like it had this utopian vision of the world where we all were given the incredible pink hats and colorful bowties and hold | 但我觉得它有这样一个乌托邦的愿景 世界,在那里,我们都得到了令人难以置信的粉红色帽子 和彩色的弓和握 |
| 1094 | hands and dance | 手和舞动 |
| 1095 | Martha as well also an incredible speech, but I don't know which country you describe | 玛莎也是个不可思议的演讲 但我不知道你描述的哪个国家 |
| 1096 | You gave a very depressing view of a country, but I don't think that was Britain | 你给一个国家一个非常令人沮丧的观点, 但我不认为那是英国 |
| 1097 | I think I'm gonna talk that now so I I'm sorry if that's how you view Britain, but it's not how I view Britain | 我想我要说,所以我很抱歉 如果你这样看待英国, 但这不是我如何看待英国 |
| 1098 | That's not how I think many people in this house you burn and then there. | 我并不是这么认为的 在你烧掉的房子里还有很多人 |
| 1099 | Thank you and then | 谢谢你 |
| 1100 | the | 联合国 |
| 1101 | Final speaker felt more like a history lecture of all the wrongs and you know woes | 最后一位演讲者觉得 更像是一场历史演讲 讲了所有的错误,你知道悲哀 |
| 1102 | Britain has some pictures on the world, and I can tell you I'm a history student | 英国有一些关于世界的照片 我可以告诉你 我是个历史学生 |
| 1103 | I have to sit for history lectures all week, so it was a shame to have to sit for another one this evening | 我整个星期都得参加历史讲座 所以今晚不得不参加另一场演讲真是可惜 |
| 1104 | however | 不过 |
| 1105 | What is King and country? | 国王和国是什么? |
| 1106 | the proposition has | 这个提议 |
| 1107 | Attempted to link it to its imperialistic connotations or its dependence upon the evils of monarchy | 企图将它与其帝国主义内涵或对君主制邪恶的依赖联系起来 |
| 1108 | You may be thinking that my side of the house wants you to fight exclusively for the life of the king | 你可能会想,我这边的房子希望你 为国王的生命而奋斗 |
| 1109 | As if it was a hundred years war and the need arose again for a good thrashing of the french | 仿佛是百年战争 需要法国人再打一顿 |
| 1110 | Go in front of break it brief though | 冲到前面去,但很短 |
| 1111 | The hundred years always great. | 百年总持大乘. |
| 1112 | What did you do? | 你做了什麽? |
| 1113 | It's great | 这是伟大的 |
| 1114 | It wasn't a hundred years | 已经不是一百年了 |
| 1115 | You know if we all want to leave here and go and fight the french then you know | 如果我们都想离开这里 去和法国人战斗 |
| 1116 | I will be the first to leave the charge once more into the breach my friends | 我将是第一个离开 指控再次进入突破我的朋友 |
| 1117 | No, so but association of a monarchist ideology is fundamentally wrong | 不,但是君主主义思想的结合 根本是错误的 |
| 1118 | The motion should be understood is that this house would not fight for britain | 这个动议应该被理解为 这所房子不会为新娘而战 |
| 1119 | Because king and country is simply a historic placeholder which means fighting for this nation | 因为国王和国家只是历史的占地者 意味着为这个国家而战 |
| 1120 | Not for the vanity of a monarch or a revival of britain's lost empire | 不是因为一个君主的虚荣 也不是因为新娘失去的帝国的复兴 |
| 1121 | It is a recognition that the king is ceremonially the commander in chief of the armed forces and that parliament legislation the courts | 国王在仪式上是武装部队总司令,议会立法规定法院 |
| 1122 | And the actions of government are in his name | 而政府的行动是在他的名下 |
| 1123 | While you may be justified in questioning the nature of our constitutional monarchy | 虽然你有理由质疑我们君主制的性质 |
| 1124 | This is not the debate to do so fighting for king and country means fighting for the legal reality of britain today | 这不是为国王而战的争论 国家意味着为今天的新娘的法律现实而战 |
| 1125 | No different to 1933 the world we live in is not a peaceful one | 和1933年一样,我们生活在一个和平的世界 |
| 1126 | Do not fool yourself into thinking that we can just lay down our arms | 不要自欺欺人,以为我们可以放下武器 |
| 1127 | Hold hands with the nations of the world and sing kumbaya | 与世界各国握手,唱Kumbaya |
| 1128 | Beyond these walls tonight. | 今晚在墙外 |
| 1129 | There is a war raging in europe that my | 欧洲有一场战争,我的... |
| 1130 | The friends on this side of the house have outlined so I don't need to outline that further | 房子这边的朋友们都提好了 所以我不需要再提了 |
| 1131 | I would I would determination however for the protection | 我会决定保护 |
| 1132 | For the rights and liberties of the ukrainian people has come at a cost | 因为乌克兰人民的权利和自由付出了代价 |
| 1133 | It means that the russian federation views the united kingdom as an adversary on the world stage | 这意味着俄罗斯联邦 将统一王国视为世界舞台上的对手 |
| 1134 | Just over a year ago putin's propagandist vladimir soloviev on russian state tv suggested that cambridge and oxford should be bombed | 就在一年多前,俄罗斯国家电视台的 宣传员Vladimir Soloviev 提议轰炸康布里奇和牛福德 |
| 1135 | To kill britain's academic elite | 杀死布里坦的学术精英 |
| 1136 | Similarly, let's not forget that iran are the suspected orchestrators of the foiled terror attack on rif fairford the other week | 同样的,我们不要忘记,伊兰是 被挫败的恐怖攻击 里夫・费尔福德的疑似指挥者 |
| 1137 | An attempted attack on british soil | 企图攻击英国土地 |
| 1138 | Further south argentina once again seems to be posturing for a second attempt at the falcon islands | 南阿让蒂纳似乎再次 准备再次尝试到猎鹰岛 |
| 1139 | Whereas 3 600 british citizens reside | 3 600名英国公民居住 |
| 1140 | Therefore it should be clear to you all that britain is the target of aggression for many global states | 因此,你们应该明白,对许多全球国家来说,大盗是侵略的目标。 |
| 1141 | Our foes threaten to destroy british cities like the ones you sit in today | 我们的敌人威胁要像你们今天坐在这里一样 摧毁英国的城市 |
| 1142 | They attempt to kill british military personnel and populist leaders attempt to invade british sovereign territory | 他们企图杀害英国军人和民粹主义领袖,企图入侵英国主权领土 |
| 1143 | If a conflict arose with one of these belligerent states, what would we be fighting for? | 如果与这些交战国之一发生冲突,我们为什么呢? |
| 1144 | As martin martha's speech said that there was nothing to fight for in britain, but as I said, I think that is completely wrong | 正如Martin Martha的演讲中说 没有什么好争的 但正如我所说 我认为这完全错了 |
| 1145 | What would the pacifism of the proposition leave at stake? | 命题的和平主义会如何? |
| 1146 | For all the hsps's in the room, I'm sure there are many | 对于所有hsps在房间里, 我相信有很多 |
| 1147 | Hobbes stating as Leviathan that if we do not bear arms in defense of the commonwealth | 霍布斯以利维坦的名义宣称 如果我们不携带武器保卫联邦 |
| 1148 | And the institution of the commonwealth which we have not the purpose or the courage to preserve was in vain | 而我们没有目的和勇气来维护的联邦体制是徒劳的 |
| 1149 | And I want to focus here on the courage to preserve | 我想把精力集中在 保护的勇气上 |
| 1150 | What may we have to preserve about the institution of our commonwealth in a potential conflict? | 在一场潜在的冲突中,我们联邦体制有什么保留? |
| 1151 | I've taken one. | 我拿了一个。 |
| 1152 | I won't take any more. | 我不会再吃了 |
| 1153 | Sorry | 对不起 |
| 1154 | Our democratic system where we elect the government of the day even though even though we may then complain about them insufferably afterwards | 我们的民主制度,我们在那里选举当日的政府,尽管我们随后可能会抱怨他们,令人难以忍受。 |
| 1155 | A privilege not enjoyed in russia or respected by the argentinians | 在俄罗斯得不到的特权 或阿根廷人尊重的特权 |
| 1156 | Is that worth fighting for the rights the freedom of speech and expression of assembly and of disagreement all etched into the very walls of this | 这是否值得为言论和言论自由以及分歧的权利而斗争? |
| 1157 | chamber this evening | 今晚的房间 |
| 1158 | Would you take up arms for them the right to be who we truly are master? | 你会拿起武器给他们 成为真正的主人的权利吗? |
| 1159 | You mentioned your girlfriend and I cherish the right to be a gay man | 你提到你的女朋友,我珍惜做同性恋的权利 |
| 1160 | A right not so protected in russia with its recent ban on extremist international pride movement and not to mention | 最近禁止极端主义国际自豪运动,在俄罗斯没有受到如此保护的权利 |
| 1161 | Iran's medieval practice of flogging as a punishment for homosexual acts. | 伊朗中世纪鞭刑作为惩罚同性恋行为的做法. |
| 1162 | I can tell you that I would be | 我可以告诉你,我会 |
| 1163 | 100% willing to fight for my right | 100%愿意为我的权利而战 |
| 1164 | To practice my own sexual identity would you not so I I can't take any more | 练习我自己的性身份,你不会这样,我不能再忍受了 |
| 1165 | In order to maintain our positive progressive way of life in increasing the author authoritarian world | 为了保持我们积极的进步生活方式,增加作者专制世界 |
| 1166 | We need to be willing to fight for them to fight for king and country | 我们要愿意为国王和国家而战 |
| 1167 | While those oxford students voted for this motion in 1933 britain faced an existential conflict against the nefarious forces of nazism six years later | 虽然那些牛福德学生在1933年投票支持了这个动议, 布里坦在六年后面对着与纳兹主义邪恶势力的生存冲突 |
| 1168 | Hundreds of thousands of british men and women gave their lives in service to king country so that we can debate this very motion this evening | 成千上万的英国男女 为国王国献出了生命 这样我们今晚才能辩论这个动议 |
| 1169 | as | 作为 |
| 1170 | 刚才提到的chris | |
| 1171 | Before I move on before I move on to conclude. | 在我继续前进之前,我要得出结论。 |
| 1172 | I I do deem it is important after aiden raised some good points about | 我认为在艾登提出一些关于 |
| 1173 | The wrongs that britain has committed in the past it is an important point to make | 英国人过去所犯的错误是一个重要的问题。 |
| 1174 | Um, and I don't believe that britain is or I I I need to | 嗯,我不认为 新娘是或我需要 |
| 1175 | A history lesson. | 历史教训. |
| 1176 | No, but I say zee i'm going to talk about why | 不,但我说Zee 我要谈谈为什么 |
| 1177 | How the nature of states work in conflicts? | 国家的性质如何在冲突中发挥作用? |
| 1178 | But I take your point why hall as a human entity will sometimes strike this nation into unnecessary conflicts | 但我理解你的观点 为什么作为人类实体的大厅 有时会把这个国家打成不必要的冲突 |
| 1179 | And I admit I sometimes wrestle with the loss of life in conflicts past | 我承认我有时会面对过去冲突中的生命损失 |
| 1180 | I often think about my great-grandfather francis rock who died in the first world war in brave service of his country | 我经常想起我的曾祖父弗兰西斯 第一次世界大战中为了祖国英勇牺牲 |
| 1181 | But in a war of imperial power rivalry he was born on the 5th of january 1887 and died on on the first | 但是,在一场帝国权力争夺的战争中,他出生于1887年3月5日,死于第一次战争 |
| 1182 | In the som on the 7th of july 1916 leaving at home his one-year-old daughter and 26 year old wife | 在1916年7月7日的苏姆 离家出走 他的一岁女儿和26岁的妻子 |
| 1183 | Was he wrong to fight for king country? | 他为国王国而战是不是错了? |
| 1184 | I would say no as he gave his life for his nation | 我拒绝他为国家献出生命 |
| 1185 | However, that does not mean that I do not wish that buddy conflict was not avoided | 但是,这并不意味着我不希望兄弟冲突不被避免 |
| 1186 | And as I struggled to see that the british isles in its way of life was fundamentally at stake in in 1914 | 当我在1914年挣扎着看到 英国的岛屿在生活方式上 根本上处于危险之中 |
| 1187 | Therefore I hope that you take my reasoning the very essence of opposing this motion does not have to be | 因此,我希望你将我的推理视为反对这项动议的本质,不必是 |
| 1188 | You willingly laying down your life no matter what for britain and join up immediately once you leave this chamber tonight | 你愿意放下你的生命,不管有什么 新娘,并立即加入 一旦你今晚离开这个房间 |
| 1189 | But rather if our way of life and the rights and freedoms that we enjoy and cherish came under existential risk | 但如果我们的生活方式以及我们享受和珍惜的权利和自由面临生存风险 |
| 1190 | And you would fight to preserve them | 你会为了保护他们而斗争 |
| 1191 | To conclude i'd like to return to oxford in 1933 where those students sat in their chamber as you all do right now | 最后我想回到奥克斯福德 1933年那些学生坐在他们的房间 就像你们现在一样 |
| 1192 | War most likely seemed a distant thing to them | 战争对他们来说似乎很遥远 |
| 1193 | Little did they know what would change in the space of six years how germany would annex austria and czechoslovakia | 他们不知道在六年的时间里会有什么变化 德国人会怎样吞并澳洲和Czechoslovakia |
| 1194 | By the time chamberlain announced that this country was at war with germany on the 3rd of september | 当张伯伦宣布这个国家 与德国在七月三日开战时 |
| 1195 | 1939 did those oxford students change their mind? | 1939年那些牛福德的学生改变主意了吗? |
| 1196 | Did the eventual blitzkrieg of fascism make them reconsider their vote? | 法西斯主义最终的闪电战是否让他们重新考虑投票? |
| 1197 | By the times bomb bombs were falling on london on manchester even on this very building in 1942 | 炸弹在1942年就落在 曼彻斯特的伦敦 |
| 1198 | Were they then willing to fight for king and country? | 他们愿意为国王和国家而战吗? |
| 1199 | I'll leave you with this | 我把这个留给你 |
| 1200 | many contemporaries including churchill | 许多时态,包括教会仪 |
| 1201 | Argued that the success of this motion in 1933 may have influenced hitler in his european strategy to some degree | 认为1933年这项动议的成功 可能在某种程度上影响了 击球手的欧洲战略 |
| 1202 | Did it suggest to hitler that the british people would not fight if he invaded poland? | 它是否暗示打击者,如果英国人入侵波蘭,他们不会战斗? |
| 1203 | Well, I agree this may be far-fetched. | 好吧,我同意这可能是牵强。 |
| 1204 | I ask you now | 我现在问你 |
| 1205 | What message will russia iran and argentina take away from how you vote this evening? | 鲁西娅・伊兰和阿金蒂娜会从你今晚的投票中 夺走什么信息? |
| 1206 | Do not forget the impacts that words in this chamber can have around the globe | 不要忘记本会议厅中的言词可能在全球产生的影响。 |
| 1207 | What message will you send to those despots? | 你会向那些暴君传达什么信息? |
| 1208 | Will you show that if necessary you would fight for our democratic rights and liberties or will you declare to the tyrants of the world? | 你会证明,如果必要的话,你会为我们的民主权利和自由而战,还是你会向世界的暴君宣布? |
| 1209 | That the british people will stand idly by while their way of life crumbles around them. | 使不列颠人民在他们的生活方式崩溃时袖手旁观。 |
| 1210 | I can say for sure that I will not | 我可以肯定我不会 |
| 1211 | so I leave you with | 所以我离开你 |
| 1212 | One of my favorite quotes in tennyson that we are not now that strength which in old days moved heaven earth and heaven | 我最爱的一句在十尼逊语中说,我们不是 那种力量,在旧时,它能感动天堂和天堂 |
| 1213 | That which we are we are | 我们是谁 |
| 1214 | one equal temper of heroic hearts | 一样的英雄之心 |
| 1215 | Made weak by time and fate | 由于时间和命运而变得软弱 |
| 1216 | but strong in will | 但意志坚强 |
| 1217 | to strive to seek | 努力寻求 |
| 1218 | to find | 寻找 |
| 1219 | And not to yield. | 亦不退让. |
| 1220 | Thank you very much | 非常感谢 |
| 1221 | Thank you very much josh for bringing this debate to a close | 非常感谢你结束这场辩论 |
| 1222 | Let's give one more round of applause to our paper speakers tonight | 今晚再给我们的纸质演讲者鼓掌 |
| 1223 | And another round of applause to our floor speech prize winner the member just there | 并再次掌声欢迎我们的演讲奖 赢得了会员刚刚在那里。 |
| 1224 | You yes | 没错 |
| 1225 | No, not you franny this guy here | 不,你不是怪胎 这家伙在这里 |
| 1226 | Please collect your ticket and your book in the bar after | 请在酒吧里收票和书 |
| 1227 | right | 对 |
| 1228 | In this house, we vote with our feet. | 在这个房子里,我们用脚投票。 |
| 1229 | So please collect any litter that you might have | 所以请收集任何你可能拥有的垃圾 |
| 1230 | Walk through the door labeled I or no according to which way you'd like to vote and join us in the bar afterwards for the results | 走进门,标签我或不 根据什么方式,你想投票 并加入我们 酒吧之后的结果 |
| 1231 | Thank you very much everyone | 非常感谢大家 |
| 1232 | Which way you'd like to vote and join us in the bar afterwards for the results, thank you very much everyone | 你们想投什么票 之后加入我们酒吧 拿到结果 谢谢大家 |
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