6-23 10年换7个首相！英国政治又变天，斯塔默闪辞背后的
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 0:00 | Hello and welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 你好,欢迎收看英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 0:03 | I'm Celia Hatton and today I'm joined by our UK political | 我是西莉亚·哈顿 今天我加入我们的英国政治 |
| 0:05 | correspondent Rob Watson on a very consequential day in | 记者罗布·沃森 在一个非常严重的后果的一天 |
| 0:10 | British politics. | 英国政治. |
| 0:11 | The UK's Prime Minister Keir Starmer has just announced his | 英国首相基尔·斯塔默刚刚宣布 |
| 0:15 | resignation. | 辞职。 |
| 0:16 | Rob, great to have you with us. | 罗伯,很高兴你和我们在一起 |
| 0:18 | Big day. | 伟大的一天。 |
| 0:19 | The UK is about to have its seventh Prime Minister in 10 | 英国即将在10年中迎来第七任首相。 |
| 0:23 | years. | 岁月 |
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| 1 | Hello and welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 你好,欢迎收看英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 2 | I'm Celia Hatton and today I'm joined by our UK political | 我是西莉亚·哈顿 今天我加入我们的英国政治 |
| 3 | correspondent Rob Watson on a very consequential day in | 记者罗布·沃森 在一个非常严重的后果的一天 |
| 4 | British politics. | 英国政治. |
| 5 | The UK's Prime Minister Keir Starmer has just announced his | 英国首相基尔·斯塔默刚刚宣布 |
| 6 | resignation. | 辞职。 |
| 7 | Rob, great to have you with us. | 罗伯,很高兴你和我们在一起 |
| 8 | Big day. | 伟大的一天。 |
| 9 | The UK is about to have its seventh Prime Minister in 10 | 英国即将在10年中迎来第七任首相。 |
| 10 | years. | 岁月 |
| 11 | Can you talk us through it? | 你能说服我们吗? |
| 12 | Goodness, well, we've had so many big days in British | 天啊,我们英国人的日子太多了 |
| 13 | politics and we'd have another one and it's both dramatic and | 政治,我们会有另一个 而且它既戏剧性和 |
| 14 | unsurprising. | 无惊无怪. |
| 15 | I mean, dramatic because, yes, it is the sixth Prime Minister | 我的意思是,戏剧性 因为,是的,这是第六任总理 |
| 16 | to be claimed by events in Britain and it was after Keir | 被英国事件所声称 并且是在凯尔之后 |
| 17 | Starmer had won such an enormous majority just two years ago and | Starmer两年前赢得了如此巨大的多数 |
| 18 | it's all gone horribly wrong. | 这一切都是可怕的错误。 |
| 19 | But unsurprising in the sense that given how many other Prime | 但并不令人惊奇的是,鉴于 有多少其他总理 |
| 20 | Ministers have gone by the wayside this last decade and | 过去十年来,各位部长都过去了 |
| 21 | given how incredibly unpopular Keir Starmer had become, I mean, | 考虑到Keir Starmer 是多么不受欢迎,我的意思是, |
| 22 | it's not really in that sense surprising that he'd lost the | 从这个意义上讲,他失去了 |
| 23 | support of his governing Labour Party. | 支持他的执政工党。 |
| 24 | But again, if you step back from it, Celia, it just is head | 再说一遍 如果你退后 Celia 只是头 |
| 25 | scratching and I couldn't, I mean, I don't think anyone would | 刮伤,我不能, 我的意思是,我不认为任何人会 |
| 26 | have believed if you'd said 20, 30, 40 years ago there'd be a | 已经相信如果你说20、30、40年前 |
| 27 | decade where Britain would have seven Prime Ministers. | 英国有七位首相 |
| 28 | Rob, you mentioned that Keir Starmer is pretty unpopular. | 罗布 你提到基尔·斯塔默很不受欢迎 |
| 29 | Earlier today, we spoke to some voters in the city of York. | 今天早些时候,我们同约克市的一些选民交谈。 |
| 30 | Let's take a listen to what they had to say. | 让我们听听他们要说的话 |
| 31 | I mean, it's not it's not been that popular of a Prime Minister, | 我的意思是,这不是 它不是那么受总理欢迎, |
| 32 | has he? | 是吗? |
| 33 | I feel like he's not done a terrible job, but it's just not | 我觉得他没有做坏事,但它只是没有 |
| 34 | popular and it's very hard in the sort of type of politics we | 受人欢迎,我们这种政治很难 |
| 35 | have now to be a Prime Minister that just does OK without, you | 现在必须做个总理 没有你,就没事了 |
| 36 | know, making it. | 你知道,做它。 做到这一点。 |
| 37 | You kind of have to do grand things, don't you, these days | 你总得做些大事吧? |
| 38 | in politics. | 在政治领域。 |
| 39 | It's not about, you know, doing an all right job. | 这不是关于,你知道,做一个所有的权利工作。 |
| 40 | It's about making a mark. | 是为造印. |
| 41 | I'm not sure this was a great news for me, in my opinion, | 我不确定这对我来说是不是个好消息 在我看来 |
| 42 | because I don't think it will solve the problem. | 因为我认为它不会解决问题。 |
| 43 | I think the problem is deeper than that. | 我认为问题更深了。 |
| 44 | And I'm a bit worried that populists are pushing forward | 我有点担心民粹主义者在推进 |
| 45 | their agenda. | 他们的议程。 |
| 46 | I think it's the same. | 我觉得是一样的。 |
| 47 | I'm French and it's the same situation, France. | 我是法国人,情况也一样,法国 |
| 48 | Well, it's overdue, in my opinion, well overdue. | 嗯,它已经逾期,在我看来, 逾期很久。 |
| 49 | He's been a failure for some time. | 他已经失败了一段时间。 |
| 50 | So Rob, we've just heard those people ending with that last | 所以罗布,我们刚刚听到那些人 以最后的结局 |
| 51 | dome. | 圆顶. |
| 52 | And why was Keir Starmer so deeply unpopular? | 为什么基尔·斯塔默如此不受欢迎? |
| 53 | It's a great question. | 问曰. |
| 54 | And it's certainly not in doubt that he was. | 他的确是毫无疑问的。 |
| 55 | I mean, there seems to be a visceral dislike for the Prime | 我的意思是,似乎有一个内脏 不喜欢总理 |
| 56 | Minister among the voters. | 在选民中担任部长. |
| 57 | I mean, the polling evidence and focus groups suggest it's | 我的意思是,投票证据和焦点小组 认为这是 |
| 58 | because, you know, fairly or unfairly, Celia, they saw him as | 因为,你知道,公平或不公平, 西莉亚, 他们把他视为 |
| 59 | variously inauthentic, a sort of typical politician, indecisive, | 一种典型的政治家 执着的 |
| 60 | kind of cold, bureaucratic, a bit out of touch with the way | 有点冷酷 官僚主义 有点离谱 |
| 61 | this country felt to live in. | 这个国家 感觉生活。 |
| 62 | And for some people, the sort of personification of the woke | 对有些人来说 被唤醒的人的人格化 |
| 63 | bureaucracy as they would see it. | 他们所看到的官僚主义 |
| 64 | So, you know, absolutely extraordinarily unpopular. | 所以,你知道,绝对非常不受欢迎。 |
| 65 | So the Prime Minister's position was already under threat. | 所以首相的职位已经受到威胁. |
| 66 | And now his main rival, Andy Burnham, has a seat in | 而现在他的主要对手安迪·伯纳姆在 |
| 67 | Parliament. | 议会. |
| 68 | Tell us why that matters and how things might change moving | 告诉我们为什么这很重要 以及事情会如何改变 |
| 69 | forward. | 前进。 |
| 70 | Well, the reason it matters is that the rules of the governing | 那么,原因,它很重要的是 规则的治理 |
| 71 | Labour Party is that you can't challenge for the leadership. | 工党是不能挑战领导权的. |
| 72 | You can't become Prime Minister unless you're an MP. | 除非是国会议员,否则不能成为总理. |
| 73 | And Andy Burnham is now an MP. | 而安迪·伯纳姆现在是国会议员. |
| 74 | So that was the vital step for him to challenge Keir Starmer. | 这是他挑战基尔·斯塔默的关键步骤。 |
| 75 | And of course, it's the reason why Keir Starmer has had to | 当然,这也是凯尔·斯塔默不得不 |
| 76 | step aside, because essentially within the governing Labour | 因为基本上在执政的工党内部 |
| 77 | Party, the mood, the tide has turned against him towards Andy | 派对 情绪 潮流都对他不利 |
| 78 | Burnham. | 伯纳姆 |
| 79 | And there's a very, very simple reason for that, Celia. | 有个非常非常简单的原因 西莉亚 |
| 80 | And that is that Labour MPs felt when they looked at the | 这就是工党议员在看 |
| 81 | standing of Mr. Starmer in the country and of their party in | 斯塔默先生在该国及其政党在 |
| 82 | the country, they were facing an existential threat. | 他们面临着生存的威胁 |
| 83 | So there's a sort of you could almost describe it as a level of | 所以,有种你可以 几乎形容它是一个水平 |
| 84 | panic amongst MPs, Labour MPs worried about losing their job. | 工党议员担心失去工作。 |
| 85 | Andy Burnham has just won a special election or by-election, | Andy Burnham刚刚赢得了特别选举或补选 |
| 86 | as we call them, in the north of England, where he defeated one | 正如我们所说的 在英格兰北部 他打败了一个 |
| 87 | of the parties that frightens Labour most, the populists of | 最能吓倒工党的民粹主义者 |
| 88 | reform and Nigel Farage, who've done well in appealing to the | 改革与奈杰尔·法拉吉, 他为呼吁 |
| 89 | sort of white working classes who used to vote Labour. | 一种曾经投票给劳工的白人工人阶级。 |
| 90 | I mean, it all seems a bit crazy, doesn't it, Rob? | 我的意思是,这一切似乎有点疯狂,不是吗,罗布? |
| 91 | Andy Burnham is now serving as the mayor of the northern city | 安迪·伯纳姆现在是北部城市的市长 |
| 92 | of Manchester, but he could leapfrog to become Prime | 曼彻斯特,但他可以跳跃成为总理 |
| 93 | Minister. | 部长 |
| 94 | Why do so many people see so much potential in Andy | 为什么这么多人看到 这么多潜力在安迪 |
| 95 | Burnham? | 伯纳姆? |
| 96 | His attraction to Labour politicians and the people who | 他对工党政治家和那些 |
| 97 | like him, the voters of Greater Manchester, is that he's quite | 就像他,大曼彻斯特的选民, 是他相当 |
| 98 | clearly more relatable, more more friendly, if you like, than | 如果你愿意的话 更友好 |
| 99 | Keir Starmer. | 基尔·斯塔默. |
| 100 | He comes over as being much more likeable. | 他来时更喜欢 |
| 101 | He comes over as being more normal. | 他来的时候比较正常 |
| 102 | He likes sort of football. | 他喜欢足球 |
| 103 | He likes trendy clothing for a middle aged guy. | 他喜欢中年男人的潮流服装 |
| 104 | He loves he loves music. | 他热爱音乐 |
| 105 | So they think that if nothing else, that even if their policies | 因此,他们认为,如果没有别的, 即使他们的政策 |
| 106 | don't change particularly radically, at least they'll be | 不要特别彻底改变,至少他们会 |
| 107 | someone as Prime Minister who can communicate, who'd be a much | 一个能沟通的首相,谁会是一个大人物 |
| 108 | better messenger than Keir Starmer now. | 比基尔·斯塔默更好的信使 |
| 109 | Of course, whether that would be enough without other policies | 当然,没有其他政策,这是否就够了? |
| 110 | is, I guess, the absolute key question in British politics now. | 我猜是英国政治的绝对关键问题 |
| 111 | OK, so you've mentioned policy, Rob. | 好吧,所以你提到了政策,罗伯。 |
| 112 | 尽快 在国内 Andy Burnham会怎么做 | |
| 113 | differently? | 不一样? |
| 114 | Because voters just had an election not too long ago | 因为不久前选民刚刚举行了选举 |
| 115 | 让Keir Starmer来做一些事情 | |
| 116 | Yeah, and the short answer is we just don't know, Celia, right? | 是啊,简短的答案是 我们只是不知道, 西莉亚,对不对? |
| 117 | I mean, in some ways, the two men seem very similar in terms of | 我的意思是,在某些方面, 两人看起来非常相似 |
| 118 | ideology and policy. | 意识形态和政策。 |
| 119 | They're both centre left politicians. | 他们都是中央左翼政治人物. |
| 120 | You would recognise that all over Europe. | 你会发现 在欧洲各地。 |
| 121 | They both believe that the priority should be on increasing | 他们都认为,当务之急应该是增加 |
| 122 | the living standards of ordinary people. | 普通人的生活水平。 |
| 123 | They both believe, as centre left politicians, that the state | 他们都认为,作为中心 离开政治家,国家 |
| 124 | is a force for good. | 是一种永远的力量。 |
| 125 | But here's the thing. | 但问题是 |
| 126 | 好吧 Andy Burnham会怎么做? | |
| 127 | And those more on the left of the Labour Party would love to see | 工党左翼的那些人很想知道 |
| 128 | more public spending, more taxes on the rich. | 增加公共开支,增加对富人的税收. |
| 129 | And the problem here is that economists would tell you that | 问题是经济学家会告诉你 |
| 130 | Britain already has, is up to its eyes in debt, that it already has | 英国已经欠了债 已经欠了 |
| 131 | historically and relatively speaking, high levels of public | 从历史和相对意义上讲,公众人数众多 |
| 132 | spending and taxation on businesses on the rich. | 对富人的商业开支和税收。 |
| 133 | So there's a danger, of course, and if you're from the left of the | 所以,有危险,当然, 如果你是从左边 |
| 134 | Labour Party, that you're going to end up being very disappointed | 工党,你最终会很失望 |
| 135 | Burnham先生会像Keir Starmer一样被打入拳击场 | |
| 136 | And in fact, just like prime ministers and presidents are all over | 事实上,就像首相和总统一样 |
| 137 | the world by the kind of financial constraints they find themselves in. | 以他们所发现的 那种财政限制。 |
| 138 | Just to focus on the big picture a bit. | 只为专注大局. |
| 139 | I mean, Britain keeps changing leaders. | 我的意思是,英国 不断改变领导人。 |
| 140 | So far, no one's been able to to stick in place for very long over | 目前为止,还没有人能坚持很久 |
| 141 | the past 10 years. | 过去十年 |
| 142 | Why is Britain so difficult to govern? | 为什么英国如此难以治理? |
| 143 | Well, the polling evidence and focus groups and just going out there | 嗯,投票证据和焦点小组 并且只是去那里 |
| 144 | and talking to people suggest that three really big drivers and those | 和人们交谈 暗示三个真正的大车手和那些 |
| 145 | drivers are, number one, stagnation, stagnating living standards. | 驾驶员是第一, 停滞不前, 生活水平停滞。 |
| 146 | And that actually goes back beyond this 10 years and six prime ministers. | 这实际上可以追溯到这10年和6位首相之后。 |
| 147 | It goes back to the financial crash of 2008. | 它追溯到2008年的金融崩溃. |
| 148 | And that makes people's lives miserable and it makes them unhappy and angry. | 这使得人们的生活悲惨,使他们不快乐和愤怒. |
| 149 | The second thing, which is sort of connected, is a sense that nothing | 第二件事,这是某种联系, 是一种感觉,没有什么 |
| 150 | works properly in Britain, Celia. | 在英国正常工作 西莉亚 |
| 151 | The public services don't work thanks to underinvestment. | 由于投资不足,公共服务无法运作. |
| 152 | And then the third massive issue is a concern over immigration and social | 第三个大问题就是 移民与社会问题 |
| 153 | cohesion, and all the evidence suggests that is what is driving voter anger | 团结,所有的证据表明 这正是引起选民愤怒的原因 |
| 154 | and anger, which in turn is driving enormous political volatility in this | 和愤怒,这反过来 驱动巨大的政治动荡 |
| 155 | country and the threat to the two main parties that have governed Britain for | 对英国实行统治的两个主要政党的威胁 |
| 156 | the last 100 years, the Conservatives before and now Labour. | 在过去的100年中,保守党 以前和现在的工党。 |
| 157 | And it is, of course, why people are sort of stepping back from it all will say, | 当然,这是为什么人们 有点退缩 这一切会说, |
| 158 | you know what, maybe Britain's political crisis is not just about the person who's | 你知道,也许英国的政治危机 不只是关于谁是 |
| 159 | in Downing Street, given that we've gone through six of them, maybe it's these | 在唐宁街,鉴于我们已经经过了六个人, 也许就是这些 |
| 160 | bigger issues. | 更大的问题。 |
| 161 | It's interesting, Rob, I mean, listening to you talk about the | 这很有趣,罗布,我的意思是,听你谈论 |
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