7-30 国际足联要把世界杯“卖”给资本？ | BBC全球新
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| 0:00 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 0:03 | Hello, I'm, and we're joined by our chief football news reporter, | 你好,我是, 我们的首席足球新闻记者, |
| 0:08 | Simon Stone, to talk about that controversial FIFA plan to sell | 西蒙·斯通 来谈谈有争议的国际足联计划 |
| 0:12 | stakes in the World Cup to private investors. | 世界杯对私人投资者的赌注。 |
| 0:16 | And Simon, there's been a big backlash to this, quite a lot of criticism, | 赛门,对这件事有强烈的反弹 有很多批评 |
| 0:20 | not least because of the involvement of the wider Trump family. | 不仅是因为更广泛的特朗普家族的参与. |
| 0:24 | Before we get into all that though, tell us about the plan itself. | 在我们进入这一切之前, 告诉我们计划本身。 |
| 0:28 | Basically, the plan is to create a subsidiary | 基本上,计划是建立一个子公司 |
| 0:35 | organisation to FIFA responsible for developing the commercial | 负责开发商业 |
| 0:41 | aspect of FIFA. | 国际足联的方面。 |
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| 1 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 2 | Hello, I'm, and we're joined by our chief football news reporter, | 你好,我是, 我们的首席足球新闻记者, |
| 3 | Simon Stone, to talk about that controversial FIFA plan to sell | 西蒙·斯通 来谈谈有争议的国际足联计划 |
| 4 | stakes in the World Cup to private investors. | 世界杯对私人投资者的赌注。 |
| 5 | And Simon, there's been a big backlash to this, quite a lot of criticism, | 赛门,对这件事有强烈的反弹 有很多批评 |
| 6 | not least because of the involvement of the wider Trump family. | 不仅是因为更广泛的特朗普家族的参与. |
| 7 | Before we get into all that though, tell us about the plan itself. | 在我们进入这一切之前, 告诉我们计划本身。 |
| 8 | Basically, the plan is to create a subsidiary | 基本上,计划是建立一个子公司 |
| 9 | organisation to FIFA responsible for developing the commercial | 负责开发商业 |
| 10 | aspect of FIFA. | 国际足联的方面。 |
| 11 | 所以Gianni Infantino说得很清楚 在这十年里 | |
| 12 | that he's been FIFA president, the commercial value of the organisation | 他曾经担任国际足联主席 组织的商业价值 |
| 13 | has increased hugely, partly or mainly, I suppose, | 已经大幅增长,部分或主要,我想, |
| 14 | to do with TV rights for the main competitions. | 与主要比赛的电视权有关。 |
| 15 | And obviously, FIFA have expanded Club World Cup. | 显然,国际足联已经扩大了俱乐部世界杯。 |
| 16 | So that's part of it. | 所以这是它的一部分。 |
| 17 | They've expanded the Women's World Cup. | 他们扩大了女子世界杯. |
| 18 | So that is also part of it. | 这也是其中的一部分。 |
| 19 | But mainly, this is because of revenue that's generated by the World Cup. | 但主要是因为世界杯产生的收入. |
| 20 | And the World Cup has in this cycle gone up to 48 teams playing in | 世界杯在这个循环中 多达48支队伍参赛 |
| 21 | in the finals, which has driven commercial revenue. | 在决赛中, 这已经推动了商业收入。 |
| 22 | 所以基本上 Gianni Infantino 觉得更有价值 | |
| 23 | to be made around FIFA's rights and therefore feels, along with | 并因此感到 |
| 24 | many other sporting organisations, that the best way of tapping | 许多其它体育组织, 这是最佳的挖掘方式 |
| 25 | into that finance is to sell part of itself to private investors. | 将部分资金卖给私人投资者。 |
| 26 | And this is where we've got the brother of Donald Trump's son-in-law. | 这就是唐纳德·特朗普女婿的弟弟 |
| 27 | His investment vehicle is listed as one of the main kind of protagonists | 他的投资车被列为主角之一 |
| 28 | who can buy into FIFA and basically help shape FIFA's commercial entity | 谁可以买进国际足联 基本上帮助塑造国际足联的商业实体 |
| 29 | for the next few years. | 接下来的几年。 |
| 30 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 31 | And tell us in more detail about how this could affect | 并更详细地告诉我们 如何影响 |
| 32 | the game, the game in Europe and the game in the rest of the world. | 游戏,欧洲的游戏和世界其他地区的游戏. |
| 33 | I mean, the whole idea feels quite complicated. | 我的意思是,整个想法 感觉相当复杂。 |
| 34 | But the issue around that is once you allow private equity | 但问题是一旦你允许私募股权 |
| 35 | into any organisation, then the idea is to maximise income. | 然后就把收入最大化 |
| 36 | The way of maximising income, if we're going to be broadly | 最大收入的方式,如果我们要 广泛 |
| 37 | kind of speaking about FIFA, is to have a bigger World Cup more often, | 说到国际足联 更经常地举办一个更大的世界杯 |
| 38 | the Club World Cup bigger more often, men's and women's. | 俱乐部的世界杯 更频繁的,男女。 |
| 39 | But clearly, we already have a situation at the moment | 但显然,我们已经有一个情况 目前 |
| 40 | where the players, the leagues, the associations | 球员、联赛、协会 |
| 41 | are screaming about the lack of space in the calendar | 正在尖叫着说日历里没有空间 |
| 42 | for the traditional competitions that everyone values in every country, | 在每一个国家每个人都珍视的传统竞赛, |
| 43 | I suppose. | 我想是这样吧 |
| 44 | Well, if you suddenly have a bigger World Cup more often, | 好吧,如果你突然有一个更大的世界杯 更多的时间, |
| 45 | well, where is the space going to be for that to be played? | 那么,在哪里的空间 要播放呢? |
| 46 | And almost what has got to give to allow it to happen? | 几乎有什么可以让它发生的? |
| 47 | Because, for instance, in England, the Premier League, | 因为,比如在英国,总理联盟, |
| 48 | you're not going to say, yeah, FIFA, you can have your your competition | 你不会说,是的,国际足联, 你可以有你的竞争 |
| 49 | that will develop, will generate money globally. | 它将发展,并将在全球产生资金。 |
| 50 | And what we'll do in return is reduce our competition | 而我们要做的就是减少我们的竞争 |
| 51 | so our clubs get less. | 所以我们的俱乐部越来越少 |
| 52 | So we have less money to distribute to the English game. | 因此,我们有更少的钱 分配给英国游戏。 |
| 53 | That's not going to happen. | 这是不可能的。 |
| 54 | The League Cup, for instance, that that competition generates | 例如,该比赛产生的联盟杯 |
| 55 | most of the football league's revenue. | 足球联赛的大部分收入. |
| 56 | And that's an institution that's been going for over, well, nearly 150 years. | 这个机构已经过去了将近150年。 |
| 57 | So that's not going to give either. | 所以,这也不会给。 |
| 58 | So I think the main issue is where does the space come from | 所以,我认为主要问题是 空间来自哪里 |
| 59 | to hold these tournaments that people generally feel | 举办这些锦标赛 人们普遍认为 |
| 60 | will be an inevitable consequence of what FIFA is announcing? | 是国际足联宣布的必然结果吗? |
| 61 | Now, the latest report suggests that Gianni Infantino has given countries | 现在,最近的报告表明,吉安尼·范蒂诺已经为各国提供了 |
| 62 | around the world a deadline of of less than two months to sign up for this | 全世界都有一个不到两个月的报名期限 |
| 63 | or or miss out on some of the money. | 或者错过一些钱。 |
| 64 | Are nations likely to turn down the prospect of extra cash? | 各国是否可能拒绝额外现金的前景? |
| 65 | Well, we're playing a numbers game here. | 我们在玩数字游戏 |
| 66 | So there are 211 member associations | 因此,有211个成员协会 |
| 67 | in FIFA, and this is a straight majority to pass this. | 在FIFA, 这是直接多数 通过这一点。 |
| 68 | And you're right. | 你说得对 |
| 69 | The deadline is the 19th of September. | 截止日期为9月19日. |
| 70 | So that's just under under two months to decide | 不到两个月就要决定了 |
| 71 | whether to accept what is essentially a payment of 20 million dollars | 是否接受2 000万美元的付款 |
| 72 | that will be paid by the 1st of January | 将在1月1日支付 |
| 73 | and then a further 20 million dollars that will be paid after that. | 然后再付2000万美元 |
| 74 | Now, for many associations or some associations | 现在,许多协会或一些协会 |
| 75 | in FIFA, 20 million dollars is really not that much. | 在FIFA,2000万美元真的不是那么大。 |
| 76 | So the FA in England, Spain, Italy, Germany, USA, maybe | 因此,FA在英国,西班牙,意大利,德国,美国,也许 |
| 77 | most countries, 20 million dollars is not that much. | 大多数国家,2 000万美元没有那么多。 |
| 78 | But for a lot of countries, it dwarfs the amount of money | 但是对许多国家来说,它比钱还多 |
| 79 | that they make from football, basically. | 基本上,他们从足球制造。 |
| 80 | If you're in Papua New Guinea, you don't you know, not selling | 如果你在巴布亚新几内亚,你不知道,不卖 |
| 81 | media rights, global media rights for a billion pounds | 媒体权利,全球媒体权利10亿英镑 |
| 82 | in the way that the Premier League does. | 以总理联盟的方式 |
| 83 | So the numbers game falls to whether there are enough countries | 所以数字游戏 取决于是否有足够的国家 |
| 84 | and enough confederations who think, actually, | 和足够的联盟 他们认为,实际上, |
| 85 | it's a good idea to spread the money that's in the game | 这主意不错,把游戏中的钱分出去 |
| 86 | more globally so everybody gets a share and everybody benefits. | 更加全球化,让每个人都得到一份,每个人都受益。 |
| 87 | There's a secondary element to it, which is how do FIFA know | 还有一个次要因素,那就是国际足联怎么知道 |
| 88 | how this money is going to be spent? | 这笔钱怎么花? |
| 89 | Because they say it's for the development of the game. | 因为他们说是为了游戏的发展. |
| 90 | Who is going to be across how this money is going to be spent? | 谁会知道这笔钱会怎么花? |
| 91 | But if there are enough countries who decide | 但是如果有足够的国家决定 |
| 92 | that it's in their interests and in fairness, there's already | 这符合他们的利益,也符合公平,已经 |
| 93 | the Czech Republic are already coming out and saying | 捷克已经出来说 |
| 94 | they think it's a good idea. | 他们认为这是个好主意。 |
| 95 | Czech Republic are clearly from UEFA. | 捷克共和国显然来自欧洲足联。 |
| 96 | UEFA are having a meeting tomorrow to discuss their reaction. | 欧洲足联明天开会讨论他们的反应。 |
| 97 | But they've already said it's a step too far. | 但他们已经说这太远了 |
| 98 | That is the organisation that's got globally | 这就是全球的组织 |
| 99 | the leagues that generate the most television revenue. | 创造最多电视收入的联盟。 |
| 100 | So if one of those one of those countries is already speaking in favour, | 因此,如果其中一个国家已经表示支持, |
| 101 | you can imagine that there may be a number of smaller countries | 你可以想象可能有一些较小的国家 |
| 102 | or countries with less developed football infrastructure | 或足球基础设施欠发达的国家 |
| 103 | in different parts of the world who will definitely think it's a good idea. | 在世界不同地区,谁肯定认为这是一个好主意。 |
| 104 | And then, as I say, it becomes a numbers game. | 然后,正如我所说,它变成了一个数字游戏。 |
| 105 | Conversely, the Confederation, CONCACAF and also the one in Asia | 反之,联邦、国家反腐败委员会以及亚洲的联邦 |
| 106 | have expressed reservations about this. | 对此持保留意见。 |
| 107 | Is that more about the process than the idea itself? | 这是关于过程 而不是想法本身? |
| 108 | Well, I think that's a good word that you use there. | 嗯,我认为这是一个很好的词 你在那里使用。 |
| 109 | And it's a word that's coming up quite a lot. | 这个词会出现很多 |
| 110 | Process. | 过程。 |
| 111 | It's interesting, really, because we've seen during the World Cup | 很有趣,真的,因为我们在世界杯上见过 |
| 112 | Gianni Infantino之间的关系, | |
| 113 | the FIFA president and also the United States President Donald Trump. | 以及美国总统唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 114 | And I referred before to the brother of Donald Trump's son-in-law | 我以前提到唐纳德·特朗普的女婿弟弟 |
| 115 | being part of this this kind of grand plan. | 成为这种宏伟计划的一部分 |
| 116 | But we're used to as well that people who cover | 但我们也习惯了那些掩护我们的人 |
| 117 | politics in the United States saying that Donald Trump is a president | 美国政治说唐纳德·特朗普是总统 |
| 118 | who acts in a way that that presidents just don't don't act. | 他们的行为方式 总统只是不采取行动。 |
| 119 | And therefore, convention no longer applies. | 因此,公约不再适用。 |
| 120 | 那么,在这种情况下,你可以争论 Gianni Infantino | |
| 121 | has done exactly the same thing because there is a process. | 做了同样的事情,因为有一个过程。 |
| 122 | The process is that someone comes forward with an idea. | 过程是有人提出一个想法。 |
| 123 | This then gets communicated to the confederations and the FIFA Council. | 然后向联合会和国际足联理事会通报。 |
| 124 | And then those confederations go away to discuss it | 然后,那些联盟去讨论它 |
| 125 | with their national associations who are part of the confederation. | 与作为联合会一部分的全国性协会。 |
| 126 | Then they come back and decide en masse whether or not | 然后他们回来 并大规模决定是否 |
| 127 | it's a good idea or not. | 这主意不错 |
| 128 | And it feels as though in this instance, Gianni Infantino has ridden rush | 吉安尼·英凡迪诺似乎在这种情况下 匆匆忙忙忙 |
| 129 | over all that convention because numerous people that I've spoken to | 因为我和很多人谈过 |
| 130 | have said the first they knew about it was when the press release landed. | 他们第一次知道是当新闻稿落地时 |
| 131 | All the reports started to emerge, you know, an hour or two before that. | 所有的报告开始出现,你知道, 之前一两个小时。 |
| 132 | So broader terms, I don't know whether what come | 这么广的术语,我不知道 未来 |
| 133 | Catholic saying and bearing in mind, they've got some big associations. | 天主教说和牢记, 他们有一些大的协会。 |
| 134 | The United States, Canada, Mexico have just held the World Cup, | 美国、加拿大、墨西哥刚刚举行了世界杯 |
| 135 | but they've also got a lot of smaller countries | 但他们也有不少较小的国家 |
| 136 | who would certainly fit into the category of being a country | 属于国家类别的人 |
| 137 | that doesn't really generate huge amounts from its domestic football. | 这并不真正产生 巨大的数量从其国内足球。 |
| 138 | We've got Cognabal, who have the 10 South American nations, | 我们抓到了科格纳巴尔 他们拥有10个南美国家 |
| 139 | UEFA, Asia, with a huge number of members, big and small. | 欧洲足联,亚洲,成员众多,大小不等. |
| 140 | It's whether they are really annoyed over the fact that | 到底他们是否因为 |
| 141 | they've not been consulted and it's a slight against them, | 他们没被咨询过 对他们有点不利 |
| 142 | or it's whether they're really annoyed about the proposal itself | 还是他们真的对提案本身感到烦恼 |
| 143 | and they're going to try and do something about it, because ultimately | 他们将尝试做一些事情, 因为最终 |
| 144 | it's difficult to know what you can do about it | 很难知道你能做些什么 |
| 145 | without basically threatening to boycott FIFA's competitions. | 而不是威胁要抵制国际足联的比赛 |
| 146 | Our chief football news reporter, Simon Stone, thank you. | 我们的首席足球新闻记者,西蒙·斯通,谢谢你。 |
| 147 | If you'd like to hear more from the Global News Podcast, | 如果你想听更多 从全球新闻节目, |
| 148 | click the link below, but thanks for watching. | 点击下面的链接, 但谢谢观看 。 |
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