英国首相问答 20260420: 牵扯爱泼斯坦案？英国首相陷
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:03 | At the heart of this there is also a judgment I made that was wrong. | 其核心是,我作出的判断是错误的。 |
| 0:08 | I should not have appointed | 我不该指定 |
| 0:10 | Peter Mandelson. | 彼得·曼德尔森. |
| 0:11 | I take responsibility for that decision and I apologise again to the victims of | 我对这一决定负责,我再次向受害者道歉。 |
| 0:17 | the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein who were clearly failed by my decision. | 我的决定显然辜负了杰弗里・爱泼斯坦 |
| 0:22 | It is the duty of the | 这是国家的责任 |
| 0:23 | Prime Minister to ensure he is telling the truth or does the ministerial code not apply to him. | 总理应确保他说的是实话,或者部长守则是否不适用于他。 |
| 0:29 | I am only holding the Prime Minister to the same standard to which he held others. | 我只把总理按与其他人相同的标准抓起来。 |
| 0:36 | I have the greatest respect for you in your office but I will not withdraw. | 我对你的办公室非常尊重 但我不会退缩 |
| 0:40 | That man | 那个男人 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | At the heart of this there is also a judgment I made that was wrong. | 其核心是,我作出的判断是错误的。 |
| 2 | I should not have appointed | 我不该指定 |
| 3 | Peter Mandelson. | 彼得·曼德尔森. |
| 4 | I take responsibility for that decision and I apologise again to the victims of | 我对这一决定负责,我再次向受害者道歉。 |
| 5 | the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein who were clearly failed by my decision. | 我的决定显然辜负了杰弗里・爱泼斯坦 |
| 6 | It is the duty of the | 这是国家的责任 |
| 7 | Prime Minister to ensure he is telling the truth or does the ministerial code not apply to him. | 总理应确保他说的是实话,或者部长守则是否不适用于他。 |
| 8 | I am only holding the Prime Minister to the same standard to which he held others. | 我只把总理按与其他人相同的标准抓起来。 |
| 9 | I have the greatest respect for you in your office but I will not withdraw. | 我对你的办公室非常尊重 但我不会退缩 |
| 10 | That man | 那个男人 |
| 11 | could not lie straight in bed. | 无法躺在床上。 |
| 12 | Order. | 肃静 |
| 13 | Mr Anderson, you are left to leave. | 安德森先生,你该走了 |
| 14 | Prime Minister Keir Starmer. | 基尔·斯塔默总理. |
| 15 | With permission, I would like to provide the House with information that I now have | 经许可,我想向众议院提供我现在掌握的信息。 |
| 16 | about the appointment of Peter Mandelson as our ambassador to the United States. | 关于任命彼得·曼德尔森为驻美国大使一事 |
| 17 | But Mr Speaker, before I go into the details, I want to be very clear with this House that while | 但是,议长先生,在我讲到细节之前,我想对本院说清楚: |
| 18 | this statement will focus on the process surrounding Peter Mandelson vetting an appointment, | 本声明将重点阐述围绕彼得·曼德尔森审查任命的过程, |
| 19 | at the heart of this there is also a judgment I made that was wrong. | 这一点的核心 也有一个我所做的判断是错误的。 |
| 20 | I should not have appointed | 我不该指定 |
| 21 | Peter Mandelson. | 彼得·曼德尔森. |
| 22 | I take responsibility for that decision and I apologise again to the victims of | 我对这一决定负责,我再次向受害者道歉。 |
| 23 | the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein who were clearly failed by my decision. | 我的决定显然辜负了杰弗里・爱泼斯坦 |
| 24 | Last Tuesday evening, | 上个星期二晚上 |
| 25 | 14 April, I found out for the first time that on 29 January 2025, before Peter Mandelson took | 4月14日,我第一次发现,2025年1月29日,在彼得·曼德尔森采取 |
| 26 | up his position as ambassador, the Foreign Office officials granted him developed vetting clearance | 外务府官员批准他进入大使职位, |
| 27 | against the specific recommendation of the United Kingdom security vetting that developed | 违反联合王国安全审查的具体建议 |
| 28 | vetting clearance should be denied. | 应拒绝批准审查。 |
| 29 | Not only that, the Foreign Office officials who made that decision | 不仅如此,做出这一决定的外交部官员 |
| 30 | did not pass this information to me, to the Foreign Secretary, to her predecessor, | 没有把这个消息传给我 外交大臣 以及她的前任 |
| 31 | the Deputy Prime Minister, to any other minister or even to the former Cabinet Secretary, | 副总理、任何其他部长、甚至前内阁秘书, |
| 32 | Sir Chris Wormald. | 克里斯·沃马尔德爵士 |
| 33 | I found this staggering and therefore last Tuesday I immediately instructed | 我发现这个惊人,所以上周二我立刻指示 |
| 34 | officials in Downing Street and the Cabinet Office to urgently establish the facts on my | 唐宁街的官员和内阁办公室 紧急查明我 |
| 35 | authority. | 授权。 |
| 36 | I wanted to know who made the decision, on what basis, who knew. | 我想知道是谁决定的 依据什么 谁知道 |
| 37 | I wanted that information | 我想要那个信息 |
| 38 | for the precise and explicit purpose of updating this House because this is information I should | 为了准确和明确的目的,更新本大会堂,因为这是我应该了解的信息。 |
| 39 | have had a long time ago and it is information that this House should have had a long time ago. | 很久以前,这是本大会早就应该有的消息。 |
| 40 | It is information that I and the House had the right to know. | 这是我和众议院有权知道的信息。 |
| 41 | I will now set out a full timeline | 我现在将提出一个完整的时间表 |
| 42 | of the events in the Peter Mandelson process, including from the fact-finding exercise I | 彼得·曼德尔森进程中的事件,包括第一次实况调查 |
| 43 | instructed last Tuesday. | 上个星期二的指令 |
| 44 | Before doing so, I want to remind and reassure the House that the Government | 在此之前,我要提醒和向众议院保证,政府 |
| 45 | will comply fully with the humble address motion of 4 February. | 将充分遵守2月4日的简短发言动议。 |
| 46 | In December 2024, | 2024年12月,农历八月. |
| 47 | I was in the process of appointing a new ambassador for Washington. | 我正在为华盛顿任命新的大使。 |
| 48 | A due diligence | 尽职调查 |
| 49 | exercise was conducted by the Cabinet Office into Peter Mandelson's suitability, including | 内阁办公室对彼得·曼德尔森的合适性进行了研究,包括: |
| 50 | questions put to him by my staff in number 10. | 我第10号工作人员向他提出的问题。 |
| 51 | Peter Mandelson answered those questions | 彼得·曼德尔森回答了这些问题 |
| 52 | on 10 December and I received final advice on the due diligence process on 11 December. | 我于12月11日收到了关于尽职调查程序的最后咨询意见。 |
| 53 | I made | 我做了一个 |
| 54 | the decision to appoint him on 18 December. | 决定于12月18日任命他。 |
| 55 | The appointment was announced on 20 December | 这项任命于12月20日宣布 |
| 56 | and the security vetting process began on 23 December 2024. | 2024年12月23日开始安全审查 |
| 57 | I want to make clear to the House | 我想向议会说明 |
| 58 | that for a direct ministerial appointment, it was usual for security vetting to happen | 就直接任命部长而言,通常进行安全审查 |
| 59 | after the appointment, but before starting in post. | 在任命之后,但在开始任职之前。 |
| 60 | That was the process in place at the time. | 这是当时的进程。 |
| 61 | This was confirmed by the former Cabinet Secretary, Sir Chris Wormald, | 前内阁秘书克里斯·沃马尔德爵士证实了这一点。 |
| 62 | at the Foreign Affairs Select Committee on 3 November 2025, when he gave evidence. | 他于2025年11月3日在外交事务特设委员会作证。 |
| 63 | Sir Chris made clear, and I am quoting him now, that when we are making appointments from outside | 克里斯爵士明确表示,我现在引用他的话,当我们从外部预约时, |
| 64 | the civil service, the normal thing is for security clearance to happen after appointment, | 公务员, 通常的事情是 安全检查 在任命后, |
| 65 | but before the person signs a contract and takes up post. | 但是在当事人签署合同并就职之前 |
| 66 | At the same hearing of the | 在同一听证会上, |
| 67 | same select committee, the former permanent Secretary to the Foreign Office, Sir Ollie | 前外交部常务秘书奥利爵士 |
| 68 | Robbins说 我再说一遍 Peter Mandelson没有参加国家安全审查 | |
| 69 | was appointed, but he went on, as is normally the case with external appointments to my department | 他被任命,但他继续, 通常的情况是外聘我部 |
| 70 | and the wider civil service. | 以及更广泛的公务员制度。 |
| 71 | The appointment was made subject to obtaining security clearance. | 这项任命须获得安全许可。 |
| 72 | After I sacked Peter Mandelson, I changed that process so that now an appointment cannot be | 我解雇彼得·曼德尔森之后 我改变了这个过程 所以现在不能预约了 |
| 73 | announced until after security vetting is passed. | 在安全审查通过之前公布。 |
| 74 | The security vetting was carried out by | 安全审查是由 |
| 75 | UK Security Veting, UKSV, between 23 December 2024 and 28 January 2025. | 英国安全卫视,UKSV,2024年12月23日至2025年1月28日之间. |
| 76 | UKSV conducted vetting | UKSV进行了审查 |
| 77 | in the normal way, collecting relevant information as well as interviewing the applicant, | * 以正常方式收集相关信息并约谈申请人, |
| 78 | in this case on two occasions. | 在这种情况下,有两次。 |
| 79 | On 28 January 2025, UKSV recommended to the Foreign Office | 2025年1月28日,UKSV建议外交部: |
| 80 | that developed vetting clearance should be denied to Peter Mandelson. | 应该拒绝彼得·曼德尔森批准审查 |
| 81 | The following day, | 第二天,我们... |
| 82 | on 29 January 2025, notwithstanding the UKSV recommendation that developed vetting | 2025年1月29日,尽管UKSV建议开展审查 |
| 83 | clearance should be denied, Foreign Office officials made the decision | 应拒绝批准,外交部官员作出决定 |
| 84 | to grant developed vetting clearance for Peter Mandelson. | 批准彼得·曼德尔森的审核 |
| 85 | To be clear, for many departments, | 说清楚,对许多部门来说, |
| 86 | a decision from UKSV is binding, but for the Foreign Office, the final decision on developed | 英国社会保险协会的决定具有约束力,但对于外交部来说,最后决定是: |
| 87 | vetting clearance is made by Foreign Office officials, not UKSV. | 审核批准由外交部官员,而不是联合王国统计局官员作出。 |
| 88 | However, once the decision | 然而,一旦决定 |
| 89 | in this case came to light, the Foreign Office's power to make the final decision on developed | 在此案中,外交部有权作出最后决定。 |
| 90 | vetting clearance was immediately suspended by my Chief Secretary last week. | 上周我的首席秘书 立即中止了审查许可 |
| 91 | I accept | 我答应 |
| 92 | that the sensitive personal information provided by an individual being vetted must be protected | 必须保护受审查个人提供的敏感个人信息; |
| 93 | from disclosure. | 从披露。 |
| 94 | If that were not the case, the integrity of the whole process would be | 如果不是这样,整个过程的完整性将是: |
| 95 | compromised. | 妥协。 |
| 96 | What I do not accept is that the appointing Minister cannot be told of the | 我不接受的是,任命部长不能被告知 |
| 97 | recommendation by UKSV. | (英文) UKSV的建议。 |
| 98 | Indeed, given the seriousness of these issues and the significance | 事实上,鉴于这些问题的严重性和重要性, |
| 99 | of the appointment, I simply do not accept that Foreign Office officials could not have | 我完全不接受外交部官员 |
| 100 | informed me of UKSV's recommendations, whilst also maintaining the necessary confidentiality | 通知我UKSV的建议 同时也保持必要的保密性 |
| 101 | that vetting requires. | 这需要审查。 |
| 102 | There is no law that stops civil servants sensibly flagging UKSV | 没有任何法律能阻止公务员明智地在UKSV上打旗 |
| 103 | recommendations while protecting detailed, sensitive vetting information to allow Ministers | * 建议,同时保护详细、敏感的审查信息,使部长能够查阅; |
| 104 | to make judgments on appointments or on explaining matters to Parliament. | 对任命或向议会解释事项做出裁决。 |
| 105 | So let me be very clear. | 所以,让我说清楚。 |
| 106 | The recommendation in the Peter Mandelson case could and should have been shared with me | 彼得·曼德尔森案中的建议可以而且应该与我分享 |
| 107 | before he took up his post. | 在他就职之前 |
| 108 | Mr Speaker, let me make a second point. | 议长先生,让我讲第二点。 |
| 109 | If I had known before he took | 如果我在他带走之前就知道 |
| 110 | up his post that UKSV recommendation was that developed vetting clearance should be denied, | 认为应拒绝批准审查, |
| 111 | I would not have gone ahead with the appointment. | 我不会提前预约的 |
| 112 | Mr Speaker, let me now move to September 2025, | 议长先生,现在让我转到2025年9月, |
| 113 | because events then and subsequently show with even starker clarity the opportunities missed | 因为当时和之后的事件更清晰地显示 错过的机会 |
| 114 | by Foreign Office officials to make the position clear. | 由外交部官员阐明立场。 |
| 115 | Mr Speaker, on September the 10th, Bloomberg reported fresh details of Mandelson's history | 议长先生,9月10日,彭博社报道曼德尔森历史的新细节 |
| 116 | with Epstein, and it was then clear to me that Peter Mandelson's answers to my staff in the | 彼得·曼德尔森对我的工作人员的回答 |
| 117 | due diligence exercise were not truthful and I sacked him. | 尽职调查不诚实 我解雇了他 |
| 118 | I also changed the direct ministerial | 我也换了直属部长 |
| 119 | appointments process, so full due diligence is now required as standard, where risks are identified | 任用程序,因此,在查明风险的情况下,现在要求将充分尽职作为标准 |
| 120 | and an interview must be taken pre-appointment to discuss any risks and conflicts of interest, | 并且必须在任命前进行面谈,讨论任何风险和利益冲突, |
| 121 | and a summary of this should be provided to the appointing Minister. | 并向任命部长提供这方面的摘要。 |
| 122 | I also made clear that public | 我还明确表示, |
| 123 | announcements should not now be made until security vetting has been completed. | 在安全审查完成之前,现在不应宣布。 |
| 124 | Mr Speaker, | 议长先生, |
| 125 | in light of the revelations in September of last year, I also agreed with the then Cabinet Secretary, | 鉴于去年9月的披露 我也同意当时的内阁秘书的意见 |
| 126 | Sir Chris Wormald, that he would carry out a review of the appointment process in the Peter | 克里斯·沃马尔德爵士将审查彼得的任命程序 |
| 127 | Mandelson case, including the vetting. | 曼德尔森案,包括审查。 |
| 128 | He set out his findings and conclusions in a letter to me | 他在给我的信中阐述了他的发现和结论 |
| 129 | on the 16th of September. | 在9月16日,我们... |
| 130 | He advised me in that letter, and again I quote, | 他在信里建议我,我再次引用 |
| 131 | the evidence I have reviewed leads me to conclude that appropriate processes were followed in both | 我所审查的证据使我得出以下结论: |
| 132 | the appointment and the withdrawal of the former HMA Washington. | 前华盛顿皇家陆军的任命和退出。 |
| 133 | When he was asked about this, | 当有人问他这件事时 |
| 134 | last week, the then Cabinet Secretary was clear that when he carried out his review, | 上周,当时的内阁秘书明确表示,当他进行审查时, |
| 135 | the Foreign Office did not tell him about the UK SV recommendation that developed | 外交部没有告诉他联合王国SV的建议 |
| 136 | vetting clearance should be denied to Peter Mandelson. | 应拒绝彼得·曼德尔森批准审查 |
| 137 | I find that astonishing. | 我感到惊讶。 |
| 138 | As I said | 就像我说的 |
| 139 | earlier, I do not accept that I could not have been told about the recommendation before Peter | 之前,我不同意,我无法在彼得面前被告知这项建议。 |
| 140 | Mandelson took up his post. | 曼德尔森上任. |
| 141 | I absolutely do not accept that the then Cabinet Secretary, an official, | 我绝对不接受当时的内阁秘书,一位官员, |
| 142 | not a politician, when carrying out his review could not have been told that UK SV recommended | 而不是政客,在进行他的审查时,不可能被告知英国特别志愿人员建议 |
| 143 | that Peter Mandelson should be denied vetting clearance. | 彼得·曼德尔森应该被拒绝审查许可 |
| 144 | It was a vital part of the process | 这是这一进程的一个重要部分 |
| 145 | that I had asked him to review. | 我要求他检讨 |
| 146 | Clearly he could have been told, and he should have been told. | 显然,他本可以被告知,而且应该被告知。 |
| 147 | Mr Speaker, on the same day as the then Cabinet Secretary wrote to me, so that is 16 September | 议长先生,就在当时的内阁秘书给我写信的同一天,也就是9月16日。 |
| 148 | 2025, the Foreign Secretary and the then Permanent Secretary of the Foreign Office, Sir Ollie Robbins, | 2025年,外交大臣和时任外交部常务秘书奥利·罗宾斯爵士, |
| 149 | provided a signed statement to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee. | 向外交事务特设委员会提供了一份签名的声明。 |
| 150 | The statement says, | 声明说, |
| 151 | and again I quote, the vetting process was undertaken by UK security vetting on behalf of | 我再次指出,审查过程由联合王国安全审查代表 |
| 152 | FCDO,最后由FCDO在Mandelson勋爵领走之前给予DV许可 | |
| 153 | up post in February. | 2月上岗. |
| 154 | It went on to say, and again I quote, Peter Mandelson's security vetting was | 它继续说,我再次引用,彼得·曼德尔森的安全审查是 |
| 155 | conducted to the usual standard set for developed vetting in line with established Cabinet Office | 按照既定内阁办公室的既定标准进行审查 |
| 156 | policy. | 政策。 |
| 157 | Mr Speaker, let me be very clear to the House. | 议长先生,让我向众议院说清楚。 |
| 158 | This was in response to questions | 这是对问题的答复 |
| 159 | which included whether concerns were raised, what the Foreign Office's response was, | 其中包括是否提出了关切,外交部的反应是什么, |
| 160 | and whether they were dismissed. | 以及他们是否被解雇。 |
| 161 | Mr Speaker, that the Foreign Secretary was advised on and allowed | 议长先生,外交部长得到建议并获准 |
| 162 | to sign this statement by Foreign Office officials without being told that UK SV had recommended | 外交部官员签署这一声明,但未被告知联合王国特别志愿人员建议 |
| 163 | Peter Mandelson be denied developed vetting clearance is absolutely unforgivable. | 彼得・曼德尔森被拒绝 开发审查许可是绝对不可原谅的。 |
| 164 | This is | 这是 |
| 165 | a senior Cabinet member giving evidence to Parliament on the very issue in question. | 内阁资深成员就有关问题向议会提供证据。 |
| 166 | Mr Speaker, in light of further revelations about Peter Mandelson in February of this year, | 议长先生,鉴于今年2月关于彼得·曼德尔森的进一步消息, |
| 167 | I was very concerned about the fact that developed vetting clearance had been granted to him. | 我非常关切的是,已准许他进行深入审查。 |
| 168 | Not knowing that, in fact, UK SV had recommended denial of developed vetting clearance, | 并不知道,事实上,英国SV曾建议拒绝进行发达的审查许可, |
| 169 | I instructed my officials to carry out a review of the national security vetting process. | 我指示我的官员审查国家安全审查程序。 |
| 170 | As I set | 碞硂妓 |
| 171 | out, I do not accept that I could not have been told about UK SV's denial of security vetting | 我不能接受英国特别车辆拒绝安全审查的说法 |
| 172 | before Peter Mandelson took up his post in January 2025. | 在2025年1月彼得·曼德尔森上任之前. |
| 173 | I do not accept that the then Cabinet | 我不同意当时的内阁 |
| 174 | Secretary could not have been told in September 2025 when he carried out his review into the | 秘书在2025年9月对《公约》执行情况进行审查时无法被告知。 |
| 175 | process. | 进程。 |
| 176 | I do not accept that the Foreign Secretary could not have been told when making statements | 我不同意外交部长在发言时不能被告知 |
| 177 | to the Select Committee again in 2025. | 在2025年再次提交特设委员会。 |
| 178 | On top of that, the fact that I was not told, even | 再说,我还没被告知 |
| 179 | when I ordered a review of the UK SV process is frankly staggering. | 当我下令审查英国SV程序时, |
| 180 | I can tell the House | 我可以告诉众议院 |
| 181 | that I have now updated the terms of reference for the review into security vetting to make sure it | 我现在已将审查的职权范围更新为安全审查,以确保安全审查 |
| 182 | covers the means by which all decisions are made in relation to national security vetting. | 涵盖就国家安全审查作出所有决定的手段。 |
| 183 | I have | 我见过 |
| 184 | appointed Sir Adrian Fulford to lead the review. | 任命阿德里安·富尔福德爵士领导审查. |
| 185 | Separately, I have asked the Government security | 我问过政府保安 |
| 186 | group in the Cabinet Office to look at any security concerns raised during Peter Mandelson's tenure. | 在内阁办公室 检查任何安全关切 在彼得·曼德尔森的任期内。 |
| 187 | I know many Members across the House will find these facts to be incredible. | 我知道整个议院的许多议员会认为这些事实是不可思议的。 |
| 188 | To that, I can only say they are right. | 我只能说他们是对的 |
| 189 | It is beggars' belief that throughout the whole | 乞丐们相信 整个过程 |
| 190 | timeline of events, officials in the Foreign Office saw fit to withhold this information | 事发时间,外交部官员认为应隐瞒这一信息 |
| 191 | from the most senior Ministers in our system in Government. | 是我们政府系统中最高级的部长 |
| 192 | That is not how the vast majority | 大多数人不是这样的 |
| 193 | of people in this country expect politics, Government or accountability to work. | 国家人民期望政治、政府或问责制发挥作用。 |
| 194 | I do | и稱 |
| 195 | not think it is how most public servants think it should work either. | 并不是大多数公务员认为它应该如何运作。 |
| 196 | I work with hundreds of | 我和上百个人一起工作 |
| 197 | civil servants, thousands even, all of whom act with the utmost integrity, dedication and pride | 公务员,甚至数以千计,他们都以最正直、奉献和自豪的态度行事 |
| 198 | to serve this country, including officials from the Foreign Office who, as we speak, | 服务这个国家,包括外交部的官员,在我们发言的时候, |
| 199 | are doing a phenomenal job representing our national interest in a dangerous world in Ukraine, | 在乌克兰一个危险的世界里 做了一件令人惊叹的工作,代表着我们的国家利益, |
| 200 | in the Middle East and all around the world. | 在中东和世界各地。 |
| 201 | This is not about them, but yet it is surely beyond | 这与他们无关,但它确实超越了 |
| 202 | doubt that the recommendation from UKSV that Peter Mandelson should be denied vetting clearance | 怀疑UKSV关于拒绝批准彼得·曼德尔森审查的建议 |
| 203 | was information that could and should have been shared with me on repeated occasions | 是那些可以而且应该 与我反复分享的信息 |
| 204 | and therefore should have been available to this House and ultimately to the British people. | 因此,本宫以及最终英国人民应该可以使用。 |
| 205 | I commend this statement to the House. | 我向众议院推荐这一发言。 |
| 206 | Can we be a not leader of the Opposition? | 我们能不是反对党领袖吗? |
| 207 | I thank the Prime Minister for advance sight of his statement. | 我感谢总理提前看到他的发言。 |
| 208 | His reputation is at stake. | 他的名声岌岌可危。 |
| 209 | Everyone is watching. | 每个人都在看 |
| 210 | It is finally time for the truth. | 终于该说实话了。 |
| 211 | Earlier today, Mr Speaker, Downing Street admitted that the Prime Minister | 今天早些时候,唐宁街议长先生承认总理 |
| 212 | inadvertently misled the House. | 无意中误导了众议院. |
| 213 | The Prime Minister has chosen not to repeat that from | 总理决定不再重复这一点。 |
| 214 | the dispatch box. | 调度箱。 |
| 215 | I will remind him that under the ministerial code he has a duty to correct | 我要提醒他,根据部长守则,他有责任纠正 |
| 216 | the record at the earliest opportunity. | 记录最早的机会。 |
| 217 | The Prime Minister says he only found out on Tuesday | 首相说周二才发现 |
| 218 | that Peter Mandelson failed the security vetting. | 彼得·曼德尔森没有通过安全审查 |
| 219 | The earliest opportunity to correct the record | 最早更正记录的机会 |
| 220 | was Prime Minister's questions on Wednesday, almost a week ago. | 大约一周前的星期三, |
| 221 | This is a breach of the | 这是违反 |
| 222 | ministerial code. | 部长代码。 |
| 223 | Under that code, he is bound to be as open as possible with Parliament and the | 根据该法典,他必将对议会和议会尽可能开放。 |
| 224 | public in answering questions today. | 今天公开回答问题 |
| 225 | Let me start with what we do know. | 让我从我们所知道的开始。 |
| 226 | We know the Prime Minister personally appointed Peter | 我们知道总理亲自任命彼得 |
| 227 | Mandelson to be our ambassador to the United States. | 曼德尔森成为我们驻美国大使. |
| 228 | We know that Mandelson had a close | 我们知道曼德尔森很亲密 |
| 229 | relationship with a convicted paedophile. | 与被定罪的恋童癖者的关系。 |
| 230 | We know that he had concerning links with Russia and China, | 我们知道他与俄罗斯和中国有联系, |
| 231 | links that had already raised red flags. | 已升起红旗的链接。 |
| 232 | We know that the Prime Minister announced | 我们知道总理宣布 |
| 233 | appointment before vetting was complete, an extraordinary and unprecedented step for the | 在审查完成之前任命,对人权理事会来说,这是非同寻常和前所未有的一步。 |
| 234 | role of US ambassador. | 美国大使的角色。 |
| 235 | The Prime Minister says that it was usual for this because it was a | 总理说,这是常见的,因为它是一个 |
| 236 | political appointment. | 政治任命。 |
| 237 | So I will remind him and the rest of the Labour front bench who were heckling | 所以我会提醒他 和工党的其余前排 |
| 238 | that Peter Mandelson was a politician who had been sacked twice from government for lying. | 彼得·曼德尔森是个政客 他两次因撒谎而被政府解雇 |
| 239 | That meant he should have gone through the full security process. | 这意味着他应该经过全面的安全程序。 |
| 240 | We also know, finally, that when Peter Mandelson failed the security vetting, | 我们还知道,最后, 当彼得·曼德尔森失败 安全审查, |
| 241 | he was allowed to continue in the role with access to top secret intelligence | 他被允许继续扮演这个角色 能够接触到最高机密情报 |
| 242 | and security information. | 和安全情报。 |
| 243 | This goes beyond propriety and ethics. | 这超出了正当性和道德。 |
| 244 | This is a matter of national | 事关国家 |
| 245 | security. | 警卫。 |
| 246 | So let me turn to what we do not know. | 让我谈谈我们不知道的事。 |
| 247 | We still do not know exactly why Peter Mandelson | 我们还不知道为什么彼得·曼德尔森 |
| 248 | failed that vetting. | 那次审查失败了 |
| 249 | We do not know what risks our country was exposed to and we do not know | 我们不知道我们国家面临什么风险,我们也不知道 |
| 250 | how it is possible that the Prime Minister said repeatedly that this was a failure of vetting, | 总理如何可能一再说,这是审查失败, |
| 251 | went on television and said things that were blatantly incorrect and not a single advisor | 在电视上说了些明显不正确的话 没有一个顾问 |
| 252 | or a single official told him that what he was saying wasn't true. | 或只有一位官员告诉他,他所说的不是真的。 |
| 253 | At every turn, | 在每一个转弯, |
| 254 | with every explanation, the Government's story has become murkier and more contradictory. | 以种种解释,政府的故事变得更加模糊和矛盾。 |
| 255 | It | 这个 |
| 256 | is time for the truth. | 是时候说实话了 |
| 257 | There are too many questions to ask in the allotted time, | 在分配的时间内,有很多问题需要问, |
| 258 | so I am now going to ask the Prime Minister just six questions and I have taken the unprecedented | 所以我现在要问首相六个问题 我已经接受了前所未有的 |
| 259 | step of providing these questions to the Prime Minister in advance. | 将这些问题提前提交总理。 |
| 260 | So he has them in front of | 所以,他在他们面前 |
| 261 | him and I have asked for these questions to be put online for the public. | 我和他要求把这些问题上线给公众。 |
| 262 | They and I expect him | 他们和我期望他 |
| 263 | to answer. | 来回答 |
| 264 | The Prime Minister appointed a national security risk to our most sensitive diplomatic | 总理指定了我国最敏感的外交安全风险 |
| 265 | post. | 员额。 |
| 266 | Let's look at how this happened. | 让我们看看这是怎么回事。 |
| 267 | The right honourable gentleman told me at PMQs in September | 9月在PMQs的那位光荣先生告诉我的 |
| 268 | 2025 that full due process was followed in this appointment. | 2025年,这项任命遵循了充分的正当程序。 |
| 269 | We now know that in November 2024, | 我们现在知道,2024年11月, |
| 270 | Lord Case, the then Cabinet Secretary, told him this process required security vetting to be done | 当时的内阁秘书Case勋爵告诉他,这一程序需要安全审查。 |
| 271 | before the appointment. | 预约前 |
| 272 | He did not mention any of what Lord Case said in his statement earlier. | 他没有提及Case勋爵早些时候的发言中所说的任何内容。 |
| 273 | So first question, does the Prime Minister accept that when he said on the floor of the House that | 因此,第一个问题是,总理是否接受当他在众议院说 |
| 274 | full due process was followed, this was not true? | 遵循了充分的正当程序,这不是真的? |
| 275 | Secondly, on the 11th of September last year, | 第二,去年9月11日, |
| 276 | journalists asked his Director of Communications if it was true that Mandelson had failed security | 记者问他的通讯主任 曼德尔森是否真的安全失败 |
| 277 | vetting. | 审核。 |
| 278 | These allegations were on the front page of a national newspaper and yet number 10 did not | 这些指控刊登在国家报纸的首页上,但第10号没有 |
| 279 | the story. | 这个故事。 |
| 280 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 281 | Three, will the Prime Minister repeat from the dispatch box his words last week | 三,总理上星期从调度箱重复他的话 |
| 282 | that no one in number 10 was aware before Tuesday that Mandelson had failed his vetting? | 周二之前没有人知道曼德尔森没有通过审查? |
| 283 | The Prime Minister says he's furious that he wasn't told the recommendations of the vetting. | 总理说,他很生气,因为他没有被告知审查的建议。 |
| 284 | Yet on the 16th of September, a Foreign Office Minister told Parliament and I quote, | 然而,9月16日,一位外交部长告诉议会,我引述: |
| 285 | the national security vetting process is rightly independent of Ministers who are not informed of | 国家安全审查程序完全独立于不知情的部长。 |
| 286 | any findings other than the final outcome. | 除最后结果外,任何其他调查结果。 |
| 287 | This was the Government's stated process. | 这是政府宣布的进程。 |
| 288 | So why is the Prime Minister so furious that it was followed? | 为何总理如此愤怒, |
| 289 | On the 4th of February, | 于二月四日时. |
| 290 | 2026, the Prime Minister, fifth question Mr Speaker, on the 4th of February, 2026, | 2026年2月4日,首相,第五个问题发言人, |
| 291 | the Prime Minister told me from the dispatch box that the security vetting he had received | 总理从调度箱告诉我 他收到的安全审查 |
| 292 | revealed Mandelson's relationship with Epstein. | 揭示了曼德尔森与爱泼斯坦的关系. |
| 293 | How could he say that if he had not seen the | 他怎么能说,如果他没有看到 |
| 294 | security vetting? | 安全审查? |
| 295 | And finally Mr Speaker, Sistema is a Russian defence company closely linked to the | 最后,议长先生,西斯特马是一家俄罗斯国防公司,与俄罗斯国防部队有密切联系。 |
| 296 | Kremlin and Vladimir Putin's war machine. | 克里姆林宫与弗拉基米尔·普京的战争机器. |
| 297 | Was the Prime Minister aware before the appointment | 首相在任命前是否意识到 |
| 298 | that Peter Mandelson had remained a director of that company long after Russia's invasion of | 彼得·曼德尔森在俄国入侵之后很久 一直担任公司董事 |
| 299 | Crimea? | 克里米亚? |
| 300 | Mr Speaker, everyone makes mistakes. | 议长先生 每个人都会犯错 |
| 301 | It is how you face up to those mistakes that shows the | 你是如何面对这些错误的 |
| 302 | character of a leader. | 领导者的性格。 |
| 303 | Instead of taking responsibility for the decisions he made, | 而不是对他的决定负责, |
| 304 | the Prime Minister has thrown his staff and his officials under the bus. | 总理已经把他的工作人员和官员扔到公共汽车下面。 |
| 305 | This is a man who once | 这个男人曾经是 |
| 306 | said, I will carry the can for the mistakes of any organisation I lead. | 说,我会带着罐子 对于任何组织的错误,我领导。 |
| 307 | Instead, he has sacked his | 相反,他解雇了他的 |
| 308 | cabinet secretary, he has sacked his director of communications, he has sacked his chief of staff, | 内阁秘书,他解雇了他的通讯主任, 他解雇了他的参谋长, |
| 309 | and he has now sacked the permanent secretary of the Foreign Office. | 他已经解雇了外交部常务秘书 |
| 310 | All of these people fired for | 这些人都是为 |
| 311 | a decision he made. | 他的决定。 |
| 312 | The right honourable gentleman's defence is that he, a former director of public | 光荣的绅士的辩护是 他,前公共总监 |
| 313 | prosecutions, is so lacking in curiosity that he chose to ask no questions about the vetting | 他的好奇心非常不足 他选择不问关于审查的问题 |
| 314 | process. | 进程。 |
| 315 | He asked no questions about Mandelson's relationship with Epstein. | 他没有问曼德尔森与爱泼斯坦的关系. |
| 316 | He asked no questions | 他没有问问题 |
| 317 | about the security risk Mandelson posed. | 曼德尔森带来的安全风险 |
| 318 | Apparently he didn't even speak to Peter Mandelson before | 很明显他之前连彼得·曼德尔森的电话都没说 |
| 319 | his appointment. | 他的预约。 |
| 320 | It doesn't appear that he asked any questions at all. | 看来他根本没问任何问题 |
| 321 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 322 | Because he didn't want | 因为他不想 |
| 323 | to know. | 来知道。 |
| 324 | He had taken the risk, he had chosen his man, Whitehall had to follow. | 他冒了险,选择了自己的人,怀特霍尔必须跟随. |
| 325 | It is the duty of | 这是我们的责任 |
| 326 | the Prime Minister to ensure he is telling the truth, or does the ministerial code not apply to | 总理确保他说的是实话,或部长守则不适用于 |
| 327 | him? | 他吗? |
| 328 | I am only holding the Prime Minister to the same standard to which he held others. | 我只把总理按与其他人相同的标准抓起来。 |
| 329 | On 26 January 2022, the right honourable gentleman said to a previous Prime Minister | 2022年1月26日,右光荣的先生对前任总理说 |
| 330 | at this Dispatch Box, if he misled the House, he must resign. | 在一个调度箱里 如果他误导了众议院 他必须辞职 |
| 331 | Does he stand by those words, | 难道他坚持那些话吗? |
| 332 | or is there one rule for him and another for everyone else? | 或者他有一条规则,其他人有一条规则? |
| 333 | Mr Speaker, let me respond to those points. | 议长先生,让我回答这些问题。 |
| 334 | Firstly, when I found out what had happened | 首先,当我发现发生了什么 |
| 335 | on Tuesday evening last, I wanted to have answers to the question, who made the decision | 上周二晚上 我想得到答案 谁决定了 |
| 336 | to give clearance on developed vetting, contrary to the advice, why that was done | 与建议相反,对已进行的审查给予许可,为什么这样做 |
| 337 | and who knew about it, so that I could provide the information to the House. | 谁知道这件事情,我就把事情告诉了议会。 |
| 338 | That is the exercise | 就是这样 |
| 339 | that has been conducted since Tuesday evening and today, so that I could come here today | 从星期二晚上开始,今天开始,我就可以来到这里 |
| 340 | to give the full account to the House, which I have just set out. | 向议会详细汇报,我刚刚阐述了这一点。 |
| 341 | The hon. | 亲爱的 |
| 342 | Lady asked me about developed vetting security clearance after the appointment. | 女士问我,在任命后 是否经过了安全审查 |
| 343 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 344 | set out that, but that was not me saying that. | 但我不是这么说的 |
| 345 | I read out the evidence of the former permanent | 我读了前常驻者的证据 |
| 346 | Secretary about that and the former Cabinet Secretary in relation to that. | 关于此事的秘书和与此有关的前内阁秘书。 |
| 347 | I think the | 我觉得 |
| 348 | quotes that I have given to the House are clear enough in relation to that. | 关于这一点,我给众议院的引述已经足够清楚。 |
| 349 | She also asks why | 她还问为什么 |
| 350 | Peter Mandelson failed. | 彼得·曼德尔森失败. |
| 351 | It is important to make a distinction between the information | 区分信息很重要。 |
| 352 | provided to the review and the recommendation. | 审查和建议。 |
| 353 | The information in the review must be protected | 必须保护审查中的信息 |
| 354 | and has been protected, because otherwise the integrity of the entire system would fall away, | 并一直受到保护, 因为否则整个系统的完整性就会消失, |
| 355 | but the recommendation does not need to be protected and should not have been protected. | 但该建议不需要保护,也不应受到保护。 |
| 356 | In relation to her questions, in relation to the answer about full due process, | 关于她的问题,关于对充分正当程序的答复, |
| 357 | that was the information that I had that I put before the House and it was confirmed to be | 这就是我在众议院面前 得到的信息 被证实是 |
| 358 | by Sir Chris Wormald, because in September I asked him to conduct a review of the process | 克里斯·沃马尔德爵士的作品,因为9月份我请他对这一进程进行审查。 |
| 359 | to assure me that the process was correctly carried out. | 向我保证,这一进程是正确地进行的。 |
| 360 | He did that and wrote to me on | 他这样做,给我写信 |
| 361 | 16 September, giving me his conclusions. | 9月16日,给我他的结论。 |
| 362 | In relation to reports in the media, | 关于媒体的报道, |
| 363 | number 10 was repeatedly asked about the facts surrounding Peter Mandelson's clearance and was | 第10号被多次询问 有关彼得·曼德尔森的许可的事实 |
| 364 | assured that the proper process was followed in that case. | 确保在这种情况下遵循适当的程序。 |
| 365 | In relation to those in number 10, | 关于第10项, |
| 366 | let me give the answer. | 让我来回答 |
| 367 | Nobody in number 10 was informed about UKSV's recommendation. | 10号无人被告知UKSV的建议。 |
| 368 | Just to be clear and for the record, the Cabinet Office permanent secretary did receive | 内阁常务秘书确实收到 |
| 369 | information recently and then sought the necessary and legal advice. | 最近的资料,然后寻求必要的法律咨询。 |
| 370 | Once those checks | 一旦这些检查 |
| 371 | were completed by the Cabinet Office permanent secretary, I was told, that is in the last two | 内阁办公室常务秘书告诉我,这是最后两个 |
| 372 | weeks or so, that was entirely the right procedure to get the legal advice and then to bring it to | 这完全是正确的程序 得到法律咨询,然后把它带到 |
| 373 | my attention at the first opportunity. | 我第一时间的注意力 |
| 374 | It was the right procedure that was followed by my officials | 我的官员都遵循了正确的程序 |
| 375 | in the last few weeks. | 过去几周 |
| 376 | In relation to why I was furious about the process, for the very reason, | 关于我为什么对这个过程感到愤怒的原因 |
| 377 | I strongly believe I should have been given this information at the very outset. | 我坚信,一开始就应该向我提供这一信息。 |
| 378 | I strongly believe | 我坚信 |
| 379 | there were repeated times when I should have been told on appointment, I should have been told when | 曾经多次在预约时告诉我,我应该被告知 |
| 380 | Peter Mandelson was sacked, the cabinet secretary should have been told when he reviewed the process, | 彼得·曼德尔森被解雇了 内阁秘书在审查过程中应该被告知 |
| 381 | the foreign secretary should have been told before she was asked to sign a statement to | 在她被要求签署一份声明之前,应当先告知该外交部长。 |
| 382 | the set that committee, and I should have been told when I ordered a review of vetting. | 我本来应该被通知的 当我下令审查审查 |
| 383 | In relation | 关于 |
| 384 | to the point she makes about what I said in February in answer to a question of hers, | 她提到我在二月份回答她的问题时说的话, |
| 385 | I make it very clear Mr. Speaker, I had not seen the security vetting file. | 我非常明确地说,议长先生,我没有看到安全审查档案。 |
| 386 | I did not know that UK | 我不知道英国 |
| 387 | SVRA, the question asked me about vetting, I knew about the due diligence and that's why I put before | SVRA,问题问我 关于审查,我知道 关于尽职调查, 这就是为什么我提出之前 |
| 388 | the House what I knew about the due diligence in relation to Epstein. | 关于爱泼斯坦的尽职调查 我所知道的 |
| 389 | The question asked me about | 问题问我 |
| 390 | vetting and I knew what the due diligence has said and therefore I told the House what the due | 仔细审查,我知道应尽职责 说什么,因此我告诉了众议院 |
| 391 | diligence has said. | 勤勉已说. |
| 392 | I didn't tell them what security vetting had said because I hadn't seen the file | 我没告诉他们安全审查怎么说 因为我没看过档案 |
| 393 | in relation to that. | 关于这一点。 |
| 394 | Mr. Speaker, in relation to the particular details in relation to Peter | 议长先生,关于彼得的具体细节 |
| 395 | Mandelson, I acted on all of the information that I had available to me. | 曼德尔森,我做了所有 我掌握的信息。 |
| 396 | The simple fact of the matter | 事情的简单事实 |
| 397 | is I should have had more of information, I didn't have that information, the House should have had | 我本应该有更多的信息,我没有这个信息, 众议院应该有 |
| 398 | that information and I've now said it out in full to the House. | 这些信息,我现在已经向众议院 充分说出来了。 |
| 399 | Thank you Mr. Speaker. | 谢谢你,议长先生。 |
| 400 | It's 2022 all | 已经2022年了 |
| 401 | over again. | 再来一次 |
| 402 | Back then when he stood on this side of the House, it was Boris Johnson who was accused | 当时他站在议会的这边 是鲍里斯·约翰逊被指控 |
| 403 | of misleading Parliament and scapegoating senior officials, the then leader of the opposition | 误导议会和替罪羊,当时的反对派领袖 |
| 404 | couldn't have been clearer. | 无法更清楚 |
| 405 | The public need to know, he said, that not all politicians are the | 他说,公众需要知道,不是所有的政治家都是 |
| 406 | same, that not all politicians put themselves above their country and that honesty, integrity | 同样,并非所有政客都把自己置于国家之上,而且诚实、正直 |
| 407 | and accountability matter. | 问责制很重要。 |
| 408 | So he promised change, he promised to break the cycle and stop the chaos | 所以他答应改变,答应打破循环,停止混乱 |
| 409 | and he promised a government with, and I quote, more focus on long-term strategy, not the short-term | 他答应政府,我引用的话, 更注重长期战略,而不是短期 |
| 410 | distractions that can animate Westminster. | 分散了威斯敏斯特的注意力 |
| 411 | I'm afraid the fact that he even had to make the | 我担心他甚至不得不做 |
| 412 | statement today shows how badly he has failed, how badly he has let down the millions of people | 今天的声明表明,他失败了多少,使数百万人民失望了多少。 |
| 413 | across our country who are so desperate for change. | 他们渴望变革 |
| 414 | He blames his officials, he says he had | 他责怪他的官员,他说他有 |
| 415 | no idea, he gives every impression of a Prime Minister in office but not in power. | 不知道,他给人的印象 总理在任但不是掌权。 |
| 416 | The facts | 事实 |
| 417 | remain even on his own account. | 即使他自己也一样 |
| 418 | The Prime Minister appointed Peter Manson as ambassador to the United | 总理任命彼得·曼森为驻美国大使 |
| 419 | States even after he had been warned about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. | 即使在他被警告过他与杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的关系之后,国家也还是如此. |
| 420 | The Prime | 总理 |
| 421 | Minister announced the appointment before Manson had been vetted despite the clearest to national | 部长在Manson被审查之前就宣布了这项任命,尽管对全国而言,这项任命是最明确的。 |
| 422 | security of putting someone unsuitable in that role and one of his top officials just three weeks | 安全地让一个不适合担任这个角色的人 和他最高级的一位官员 |
| 423 | into the job clearly believed the Prime Minister wanted Manson to be appointed regardless of what | 总理希望任命曼森 不管他是谁 |
| 424 | the vetting process turned out. | 最终结果就是审查过程。 |
| 425 | The Prime Minister has relied on the vetting process to defend his | 总理依靠审查程序为自己辩护。 |
| 426 | decisions, so why did he ask so few questions personally about the vetting process itself? | 他为什么亲自问这么少关于审查过程本身的问题? |
| 427 | We all know the truth, Mr Speaker. | 我们都知道真相 议长先生 |
| 428 | The Prime Minister knew that appointing Manson was an | 总理知道任命曼森是 |
| 429 | enormous risk. | 巨大的风险。 |
| 430 | He decided it was a risk worth taking, a catastrophic error of judgment. | 他认为这是值得承担的风险,是灾难性的判断错误。 |
| 431 | Now that it's blown up in his face, the only decent thing to do is to take responsibility. | 现在他脸上被炸了 唯一体面的事就是承担责任 |
| 432 | Back in 2022, the Prime Minister rightly accused Boris Johnson of expecting others | 2022年,总理正确地指责鲍里斯·约翰逊期待其他人 |
| 433 | to take the blame while he clung on. | 来承担他的罪责 |
| 434 | That was not acceptable then and it's not acceptable now. | 这当时是不能接受的,现在也是不可接受的。 |
| 435 | So I hope the Prime Minister can at least tell the House this and we'll be listening very carefully | 所以我希望首相至少能告诉下议院 我们将非常仔细地听 |
| 436 | to his answer. | 回答他的问题。 |
| 437 | Was he given advice by Simon Case, the then Cabinet Secretary, that the necessary | 当时的内阁秘书Simon Case给他的建议是: |
| 438 | security clearances should be acquired before he confirmed his choice for US ambassador? | 在他确认选择美国大使之前,应当取得安全许可? |
| 439 | Did he follow that advice, yes or no? | 他听从这个建议了吗,是还是不是? |
| 440 | After the years of chaos under the Conservatives, | 在保守党统治下的多年混乱之后, |
| 441 | we needed a Government focused on the interests of the people, the cost of living crisis, | 我们需要一个政府关注人民的利益、生活危机的代价, |
| 442 | the health and care crisis, our national security. | 健康和护理危机, 我们的国家安全。 |
| 443 | We needed a Government honesty, | 我们需要一个诚实的政府, |
| 444 | integrity and accountability. | 廉正和问责制。 |
| 445 | So will the Prime Minister finally accept | 首相终于会接受 |
| 446 | that the only way he can help to deliver that is to resign? | 那他唯一能帮助实现的方法 就是辞职? |
| 447 | The Prime Minister I set out in my statement the full facts. | 我总理在发言中阐述了全部事实。 |
| 448 | In September, when the Bloomberg emails came to light, I asked the then Cabinet Secretary to | 9月,当布隆伯格邮件曝光时,我要求当时的内阁秘书 |
| 449 | As soon as the information about security vetting came to light last Tuesday, I asked for the facts | 周二一得知安全审查信息 我就问了事实 |
| 450 | to be established so that I could update Parliament. | 以便我能够更新议会。 |
| 451 | He asked me about the announcement before | 他问我之前的公告 |
| 452 | developed vetting. | 已制定审查程序。 |
| 453 | He's heard the evidence that I've given to the House from the former | 他听到我从前人那里 给众议院的证据 |
| 454 | Cabinet Secretary and from the former Permanent Secretary. | 内阁秘书及原常务秘书. |
| 455 | In relation to the advice from Simon | 关于西蒙的建议 |
| 456 | Case, when I asked the former Cabinet Secretary to review the process after September 25, | 我要求前内阁秘书 在9月25日之后审查程序 |
| 457 | he specifically addressed whether the process had been followed by referencing the Simon Case letter | 他特别提到,是否在程序之后参考了Simon案的信件。 |
| 458 | and assured me that the process was the right process to have followed. | 并向我保证,这一进程是正确的进程。 |
| 459 | In answer to his | 为了回答他 |
| 460 | question, that was specifically looked at by Sir Chris Wormald in the review that was conducted | 克里斯·沃马尔德爵士在本次审查中具体谈到这个问题。 |
| 461 | in September of last year. | 去年九月的时候 |
| 462 | The Prime Minister has gone on at considerable length | 总理已经走了很长一段时间 |
| 463 | about process and procedure, but ordinary people do not really care about process and procedure. | 但普通人并不真正关心过程和程序。 |
| 464 | They want transparency and they want to know that they can have confidence in the words | 他们想要透明,他们想知道 他们可以信任这些话 |
| 465 | of elected politicians like all of us in this Chamber. | 像我们所有在座的当选政治家。 |
| 466 | On the question of Peter | 关于彼得问题 |
| 467 | Maddelson, it was in the 90s that Peter Maddelson had to resign for the Cabinet for the first time | 马德尔森,正是在90年代,彼得·马德尔森才第一次为内阁辞职. |
| 468 | because of his dealings with the millionaire Geoffrey Robinson. | 因为他和百万富翁杰佛瑞·罗宾逊交往 |
| 469 | It was a few years later | 过了几年 |
| 470 | he had to resign for the Cabinet for the second time because of his relationships with the | 由于他与内阁的关系,他不得不第二次辞职。 |
| 471 | Hinduja family. | 兴都亚家族. |
| 472 | Peter Maddelson has a history. | 彼得·马德尔森有历史. |
| 473 | What this House wants to know is why knowing Peter Maddelson's history, going back now | 本院想知道的是 为什么知道彼得·马德森的历史 现在回去 |
| 474 | 30 years and given what has been known, it's one thing to say as he insists on saying | 30年来,他一直坚持说,这是一回事 |
| 475 | nobody told me, nobody told me anything, nobody told me. | 没有人告诉我, 没有人告诉我, 没有人告诉我。 |
| 476 | The question is why didn't the Prime Minister ask? | 问题是首相为什么不问? |
| 477 | Mr Speaker, in relation to her question let me be clear. | 发言人先生,关于她的问题,让我说清楚。 |
| 478 | I should not have appointed Peter | 我不应该任命彼得 |
| 479 | Maddelson. | 马德尔森。 |
| 480 | As soon as the further revelations came to light I did ask, I asked the Cabinet | 我一发现真相 我就问内阁 |
| 481 | Secretary to review the process so I could be assured about the process. | 秘书将审查这一进程,以便我能够确信这一进程。 |
| 482 | He wrote to me on the | 他给我写信 |
| 483 | 16th of September setting out the conclusions of that review and assuring me the process | 9月16日提出审查结论,并向我保证这一进程 |
| 484 | had been followed properly. | 被适当跟踪。 |
| 485 | The problem the Prime Minister has got is no one believes him, | 首相的问题是 没人相信他 |
| 486 | the public don't believe him, the MPs on this side of the House don't believe him, | 公众不相信他 众议院这边的议员不相信他 |
| 487 | his own gullible backbenchers don't believe him, so does the Prime Minister agree with me he's been lying? | 他的自欺欺人的人不相信他 所以首相同意我的说法吗? |
| 488 | The Prime Minister, sorry we don't use those words and I'm sure the members withdrawn it. | 总理,对不起,我们不使用这些话,我相信成员们撤回了这些话. |
| 489 | Mr Speaker, I have the greatest respect for you in your office but I will not withdraw, | 议长先生,我最尊重你 但我不会退缩 |
| 490 | that man couldn't lie straight in bed. | 那个男人不能躺在床上 |
| 491 | Order, Mr Anderson you'll have to leave. | 肃静 安德森先生 你得离开 |
| 492 | Phil Brattle, Mr Speaker, when Sir Ollie Robbins came before the Foreign Affairs Committee on the | 议长Phil Brattle先生,当奥利·罗宾斯爵士来到外交事务委员会时 |
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