【牛津辩论】特朗普背叛了保守主义？ 20260813
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| 0:00 | The motion you're all here to hear tonight is this house believes Trump has betrayed conservatism. | 你们今晚在这里听到的动议是 这所房子相信特朗普背叛了保守主义. |
| 0:08 | Speaking first on proposition is Jack Manley. | 首先讲的是杰克·曼利 |
| 0:22 | Thank you, Madam President. | 谢谢你,主席女士。 |
| 0:24 | Donald Trump is many things, but he is no conservative. | 唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)是很多事情,但他并不保守. |
| 0:28 | In fact, he has betrayed the conservative values that he built his MAGA platform on. | 事实上,他背叛了他建立自己的MAGA平台的保守价值观. |
| 0:34 | Before I make my case, however, it is my honor and privilege | 在我申辩之前 这是我的荣誉和特权 |
| 0:37 | to introduce the speakers in opposition to tonight's motion. | 介绍反对今晚动议的发言者 |
| 0:40 | First, we will hear from Aya Ventura-Marty, a first-year post-grad at Oriel College, | 首先,我们将听到Aya Ventura-Marty, 奥里尔学院的一年级研究生, |
| 0:44 | reading for her MSc in global governance and diplomacy, | 为她阅读全球治理和外交的MSc, |
| 0:47 | and who I've recently learned just submitted her thesis today. | 我最近学到的人今天刚刚提交了她的论文 |
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| 1 | The motion you're all here to hear tonight is this house believes Trump has betrayed conservatism. | 你们今晚在这里听到的动议是 这所房子相信特朗普背叛了保守主义. |
| 2 | Speaking first on proposition is Jack Manley. | 首先讲的是杰克·曼利 |
| 3 | Thank you, Madam President. | 谢谢你,主席女士。 |
| 4 | Donald Trump is many things, but he is no conservative. | 唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)是很多事情,但他并不保守. |
| 5 | In fact, he has betrayed the conservative values that he built his MAGA platform on. | 事实上,他背叛了他建立自己的MAGA平台的保守价值观. |
| 6 | Before I make my case, however, it is my honor and privilege | 在我申辩之前 这是我的荣誉和特权 |
| 7 | to introduce the speakers in opposition to tonight's motion. | 介绍反对今晚动议的发言者 |
| 8 | First, we will hear from Aya Ventura-Marty, a first-year post-grad at Oriel College, | 首先,我们将听到Aya Ventura-Marty, 奥里尔学院的一年级研究生, |
| 9 | reading for her MSc in global governance and diplomacy, | 为她阅读全球治理和外交的MSc, |
| 10 | and who I've recently learned just submitted her thesis today. | 我最近学到的人今天刚刚提交了她的论文 |
| 11 | Congratulations. | 祝贺你 |
| 12 | I would have expected someone studying global governance to be able to distinguish | 我本希望有人研究全球治理 能够分辨 |
| 13 | between conservatism and fascism, but perhaps she still needs a few weeks to finish her degree. | 保守主义和法西斯主义之间,但也许她还需要几个星期才能完成她的学位. |
| 14 | Then again, as a future member of the Politburo, Aya is a massive authoritarian | 那么,作为未来政治局的成员,阿亚就是一个大规模的独裁者 |
| 15 | and would love nothing more than to see China and Taiwan reunited. | 也只希望中国和台湾重新统一 |
| 16 | Maybe it isn't too much of a stretch for her to argue that Trump is a conservative after all. | 也许她认为特朗普毕竟是保守派,这没什么大不了的. |
| 17 | Next, we will hear from David Balbus, a first-year undergrad at Christchurch, | 接下来,我们将听到大卫・巴尔布斯, 一个第一年的大学底部在克里斯特彻奇, |
| 18 | reading for his BA in Classics and Asian and Middle Eastern Studies. | 为他的古典学、亚洲和中东研究学士学习。 |
| 19 | As a prominent member of Reform Oxford, David actually knows a thing or two about far-right politicians. | 作为牛津改革的著名成员,大卫实际上对极右派的政治家有一点了解. |
| 20 | Suppose it's no wonder that he's arguing for the opposition. | 假设他为反对派争吵并不奇怪 |
| 21 | Like my best friend here at Oxford put it, he's horrifically problematic, but in a very interesting way. | 正如我在牛津的好朋友所说, 他有可怕的问题,但是非常有趣。 |
| 22 | (原始内容存档于2018-03-29). Hashtag FreeBalbus. | |
| 23 | If you know, you know. | 如是知时. |
| 24 | Third, we will hear from Michael Knowles, host of the Daily Wire's The Michael Knowles Show. | 第三,我们将听到迈克尔·诺尔斯, 《每日电讯》的主持人 迈克尔·诺尔斯秀。 |
| 25 | When I first heard we were getting a far-right podcaster to grift their way through tonight's debate, | 当我第一次听说 我们得到了一个极右脚踏车 骗过他们的方式 今晚的辩论, |
| 26 | I have to admit, I was expecting someone like Matt Walsh or Daniel Horowitz. | 我不得不承认,我正在等马特・沃尔什或丹尼尔・霍罗威茨这样的人 |
| 27 | Michael will do, though. | 迈克尔会做的,虽然。 |
| 28 | His show might not have made the cut for top 10 conservative podcasts in 2026, | 他的节目可能没有为2026年的十大保守播客剪辑 |
| 29 | but I'm sure he knows the company talking points. | 但我肯定他知道公司的谈话要点 |
| 30 | And now that Hassan Piker's been banned, there's no one left to out-grift him. | 现在哈桑·皮克被禁了 没人能把他甩了 |
| 31 | Speaking forth for the opposition will be Greg Sindelar, CEO of the Texas Public Policy Foundation | 德克萨斯州公共政策基金会首席执行官Greg Sindelar代表反对派发言。 |
| 32 | and president and interim CEO of the America First Policy Institute. | 美国第一政策研究所总裁兼临时首席执行官。 |
| 33 | I would say it's peculiar that Greg is still interim CEO of the AFPI after over a year in the role, | 格雷格在担任这个角色一年多后 仍担任美国金融情报局的临时首席执行官 |
| 34 | but if I've learned one thing over the last few months, | 但是如果过去几个月我学到一件事 |
| 35 | is that the far-right loves declaring that they're running places. | 极右翼的人爱说他们在跑步 |
| 36 | Until such time, they can do a safe, proper, and judicious transition. | 在此之前,他们可以进行安全、适当和明智的过渡。 |
| 37 | And lastly, speaking in the cleanup role tonight is Dr. Alan Lichtman, | 最后,今晚的清理角色是艾伦·利奇特曼博士 |
| 38 | a historian and political analyst who's been teaching at American University in Washington, D.C. for the last 53 years. | 他是一位历史学家和政治分析师,在过去53年里一直在华盛顿特区的美国大学任教. |
| 39 | I was going to make a joke about his 13 keys to the White House, | 我本来打算拿他13把钥匙开玩笑的 |
| 40 | but I couldn't think of anything funnier than them failing in the last election. | 但我想不出比上次选举失败更有趣的了 |
| 41 | 但我得赞扬Lichtman教授 | |
| 42 | Fifty-three years is a long time to spend in the field, | 五十三年是花在野外的漫长时光, |
| 43 | and as an aspiring academic, I would love to have a career as long and successful as Alman's. | 作为一名有抱负的学者,我希望能有 和阿尔曼一样长久的成功事业。 |
| 44 | Though I do hope I manage a better rate my professor's rating than a 3.1 out of 5. | 尽管我希望我的教授的评分比5分之3.1要高。 |
| 45 | Madam President, these are your speakers, and they are most welcome. | 主席女士,这是你的发言者,非常欢迎。 |
| 46 | Now, I'm not a conservative. | 现在,我不是保守派 |
| 47 | Most of my political views would be described as liberal, and I'm a proud California Democrat. | 我的大部分政治观点将被描述为自由派,我是一个骄傲的加州民主党人. |
| 48 | So I reached out to three of my close conservative friends and posed them a simple question. | 所以我联系了我三个保守派的朋友, 向他们提出了一个简单的问题。 |
| 49 | What makes a politician conservative? | 为何政客要保守? |
| 50 | It is using their responses to this question that I will prove Donald Trump's betrayal of American conservatism. | 我要用他们对此问题的回答来证明唐纳德·特朗普对美国保守主义的背叛. |
| 51 | The first friend, I asked, emphasized the religious aspect of conservatism. | 我问第一个朋友强调保守主义的宗教方面。 |
| 52 | While not all conservatives are Christian and not all Christians are conservative, | 虽然不是所有的保守派都是基督教徒,也不是所有的基督教徒都是保守派, |
| 53 | there is a large crossover between the two groups. | 两组人之间有很大的交叉。 |
| 54 | She told me that a conservative should love thy neighbor. | 她告诉我保守派应该爱你的邻居 |
| 55 | Donald Trump most definitely does not love his neighbor. | 唐纳德·特朗普绝对不爱他的邻居 |
| 56 | If Donald Trump truly loved his neighbor, would he be publicly referring to people as big fat slob, | 如果唐纳德·特朗普真的爱他的邻居, 他会公开地说人们是大胖子, |
| 57 | Pocahontas, washed-up psycho, or the seriously retarded governor of Minnesota? | 还是明尼苏达州严重弱智的州长? |
| 58 | Would he announce on social media that Democratic lawmakers who reminded troops of their constitutional duty | 他是否会在社交媒体上宣布 民主立法者 提醒军队的宪法责任 |
| 59 | not to follow legal orders were being seditious and that their words were punishable by death? | 不服从法律命令是煽动性的,而且他们的言论可处以死刑? |
| 60 | Would he repost a response calling for him to hang them like George Washington would? | 他会重新张贴一个回应,呼吁他像乔治·华盛顿那样吊死他们吗? |
| 61 | I'm no Christian, but that doesn't sound like loving thy neighbor. | 我不是基督徒 但听起来不像是爱你的邻居 |
| 62 | My second friend emphasized economics and told me that a conservative should subscribe to the small government ideology. | 我的第二个朋友强调经济学,告诉我,一个保守派应该认同小型政府意识形态。 |
| 63 | This means, in their words, that the government should be spending less money | 这就是说,用他们的话说,政府应该少花钱 |
| 64 | and making the cost of living more affordable for the average citizen. | 使普通公民的生活费用更能负担得起。 |
| 65 | Let's look at government spending, shall we? | 让我们看看政府开支,好吗? |
| 66 | According to the data from the United States Treasury Department, | 根据美国财政部的数据, |
| 67 | the U.S. is on track to spend over $7.33 trillion this fiscal year. | 美国本财政年度的支出将超过7.33万亿美元。 |
| 68 | This is more than any non-COVID year in U.S. history. | 这比美国历史上任何非COVID年都要多. |
| 69 | The cost of living is also rising, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. | 根据劳工统计局,生活费用也在上升。 |
| 70 | In March of April of this year, the Consumer Price Index showed an increase of over 3% | 今年3月,消费物价指数增长了3%以上。 |
| 71 | compared to a 12-month earlier period, in large part due to the extreme rising gas prices, over 28%, | 与前12个月相比,主要是由于天然气价格急剧上涨,超过28%, |
| 72 | which can be directly attributed to the ongoing war in Iran. | 这可直接归因于伊朗正在进行的战争。 |
| 73 | My final friend told me, conservatives have the mindset of preserving history and tradition. | 我最后的朋友告诉我,保守派有保存历史和传统的心态。 |
| 74 | Donald Trump spits in the faces of history and tradition, and as a historian, it disgusts me, quite frankly. | 唐纳德·特朗普在历史和传统的面孔上吐口水,作为一个历史学家,这让我很讨厌,坦率地说. |
| 75 | Even ignoring his actions on January 6th, where his words incited a violent mob | 甚至无视他在1月6日的行动 他的话煽动了暴力暴徒 |
| 76 | to halt the centuries-old tradition of a peaceful transfer of power between presidents, | 停止数百年来在总统之间和平移交权力的传统, |
| 77 | and he referred to those rioters as great patriots, | 他把那些暴动者称为伟大的爱国者, |
| 78 | The president has shown a distinct contempt for American history and tradition. | 总统对美国历史和传统表现出明显的蔑视. |
| 79 | I've been told I need to keep the speech short, so let's speed run this list, shall we? | 有人告诉我,我需要 保持发言简短, 所以让我们运行这个列表,好吗? |
| 80 | Donald Trump is the first president since the 1970s to not fully divest from his business holdings, | 唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)是20世纪70年代以来第一个没有完全退出其商业控股的总统, |
| 81 | and a result has earned billions of dollars from them. | 结果从他们那里获得了数十亿美元的收入。 |
| 82 | Sorry, Jimmy, guess he could have kept that peanut farm. | 抱歉 Jimmy 我猜他可以保留那个花生农场 |
| 83 | No living person in the United States is allowed to have their face on currency, | 在美国,任何活着的人 都不许用货币露面, |
| 84 | but soon we will see the $250 bill with Trump's glorious mugshot, | 但很快我们会看到250美元 与特朗普的光荣的镜头, |
| 85 | the greatest picture in the history of pictures on it, in stores soon, for a small loan of $500. | 这是史上最伟大的照片 很快,在商店里, 一个500美元的小额贷款。 |
| 86 | He has weaponized the Department of Justice against his political opponents, | 他用武器对付他的政敌 |
| 87 | he has ignored congressional approval at every opportunity, | 他每次都无视国会的批准 |
| 88 | and is engaging in self-commemoration with the arc to Trump, | 并且正与圆弧对特朗普进行自我补偿 |
| 89 | which he has said publicly on camera is for him and him alone. | 他在镜头上公开说,这是他和他独享的。 |
| 90 | This is a mockery of American history and tradition. | 这是对美国历史和传统的嘲弄。 |
| 91 | Donald Trump is not a conservative. | 唐纳德·特朗普不是保守派. |
| 92 | He is a fascist, authoritarian, wannabe dictator who addresses himself as a conservative | 他是一个法西斯主义,专制主义,想成为独裁者,自称是保守派 |
| 93 | to appeal to his legion of devotees on the far right. | 向极右翼的信徒们上诉 |
| 94 | His actions as president have unequivocally proved that he has not upheld the values of conservatism, | 他作为总统的行动明确证明 他没有坚持保守主义的价值观, |
| 95 | but in fact has betrayed them. | 却背叛了他们 |
| 96 | Thank you for your attention to this matter, DJT. | 谢谢你对此事的关注 DJT |
| 97 | That was brilliant, Jack, and thank you very, very much for your Trump impressions. | 非常感谢你给特朗普的印象 |
| 98 | I would just like to remind members that after the first speak on opposition, | 我只想提醒各位成员,在第一次就反对问题发言之后, |
| 99 | you will be able to vote, if you need to leave, through the doors, | 你可以投票 如果你需要离开, 通过门, |
| 100 | but you'll be voting with your feet. | 但你会用脚投票 |
| 101 | So if you go to the right-hand side that is voting for proposition, | 所以,如果你去 右侧是投票 提案, |
| 102 | if you go through the left-hand side that is voting for opposition. | 如果你通过左手 投票反对。 |
| 103 | Speaking first on opposition now is Aya Ventura-Marty, Standing Committee, Oriole College. | 现在首先谈论反对的是奥里奥勒学院常务委员会(Aya Ventura-Marty). |
| 104 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 105 | Thank you, Madam President. | 谢谢你,主席女士。 |
| 106 | Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. | 晚上好 女士们先生们 |
| 107 | The proposition's fundamental mistake, I believe, tonight, | 提议的根本错误,我相信,今晚, |
| 108 | is that they confuse the defeat of one conservative faction | 他们混淆了一个保守派的失败 |
| 109 | for the betrayal of conservatism itself. | 背叛保守主义本身。 |
| 110 | Or worse, is that somehow they believe to hold the greater intellectual capacity | 更糟糕的是 他们相信自己拥有更大的智力能力 |
| 111 | to teach the opposition side what conservatism really means. | 教会反对派保守主义的真正含义。 |
| 112 | And you'll probably very quickly understand how that's not the case, | 你可能很快就会明白 情况并非如此 |
| 113 | as I introduce the proposition speakers to you now. | 我现在向你们介绍提议发言人。 |
| 114 | First, we've got Jack. | 首先,我们得到了杰克。 |
| 115 | Now, Jack, that entire rambling, | 现在,杰克,那整个胡言乱语, |
| 116 | I know that it was very timely needed, but that entire rambling, | 我知道这是非常及时需要的, 但整个废话, |
| 117 | I didn't quite get what was that roast about me, | 我还没完全明白我那份烤肉是什么 |
| 118 | but I'll tell you one funny story about Jack. | 但我会告诉你一个关于杰克的有趣的故事。 |
| 119 | Tonight is the first night I found out that Jack is a Democrat, | 今晚是我发现杰克是民主党人的第一个晚上 |
| 120 | because you see, the first time I've met Jack, | 因为你知道, 我第一次见到杰克, |
| 121 | Jack was auditioning for the role of Trump | 杰克在试演特朗普的角色 |
| 122 | at the Conan O'Brien balloon debate in Michaelmas 2025. | 在迈克尔马斯2025年的柯南·奥布莱恩气球辩论会上. |
| 123 | Jack was so obsessed with Trump, I mean, I was auditioning for Essenhower, | 杰克对特朗普如此着迷, 我的意思是,我在试镜 艾森豪威尔, |
| 124 | it didn't go down very well for me, but it went down very, very well for Jack. | 对我来说不太顺利 但对于杰克来说也不太顺利 |
| 125 | Jack got the role, Jack debated Conan, | 杰克得到了这个角色,杰克辩论柯南, |
| 126 | but the only problem was that Jack, ever since then, | 但唯一的问题是 杰克,从那时起, |
| 127 | was so in character that he couldn't get out of it anymore. | 在性格上,他无法摆脱它了。 |
| 128 | There was a time, there was a time, ladies and gentlemen, | 有一阵子,有一阵子, 女士们,先生们, |
| 129 | that extract that you just saw of Jack, that was only just the peak of an iceberg. | 你刚刚看到的杰克的提取物 那只是冰山的高峰 |
| 130 | There was a point at the Union Bar, every night I'd see Jack, | 我每晚都会看到杰克 |
| 131 | he'd be speaking to members there, he'd be doing the Trump impression, | 他会跟那些成员说话 他会给特朗普留下印象 |
| 132 | and that is probably, you know, with the hand gestures, you know, with the everything, | 这可能是,你知道, 用手势,你知道, 所有的一切, |
| 133 | and he was so obsessed with Trump, | 他对特朗普如此着迷, |
| 134 | but I think that's probably the reason why Jack got about a grand total of 16 votes, | 但我认为这可能是为什么 杰克得到了总计约16票, |
| 135 | 1-6, 1-6 for his second elections. | 1–6,1–6为他的第二次选举. |
| 136 | I had to check that today because I wasn't sure if it was 17 or 16, | 我今天得检查一下 因为我不确定是17还是16岁 |
| 137 | so I actually went on the Wikipedia page, I was like, how many votes did Jack actually get? | 于是我登上了维基百科的网页, 我当时想, 杰克得到了多少选票? |
| 138 | It was 16, so it's okay, Jack, we wish you well, it's okay. | 当时16岁,所以没关系,杰克,我们祝你好,没关系。 |
| 139 | Maybe next time, maybe next time. | 也许下一次,也许下一次。 |
| 140 | Next we have Mr. Mike Madrid, | 接下来是迈克·马德里先生 |
| 141 | a lifelong Republican strategist, campaign manager, and Latino vote specialist, some may say. | 终身的共和党战略家,竞选经理, 和拉丁裔的投票专家,有些人可以说。 |
| 142 | I am sure that Mr. Madrid right here is now warming up and thinking to himself | 我敢肯定,马德里先生就在这里 现在热身 和思考自己 |
| 143 | about how he's going to give some Oxford kids a dazzling lesson tonight | 他今晚会怎么给牛津的孩子们 上一堂令人目眩的课 |
| 144 | about what conservatism really means. | 保守主义到底意味着什么 |
| 145 | But I am more personally intrigued, you see, Mr. Madrid, by your expertise on betrayal. | 马德里先生 我个人更感兴趣 你对背叛的专长 |
| 146 | Because you see, proud Republican than Mr. Madrid is, | 因为你看到,自豪的共和党 比马德里先生是, |
| 147 | not only decided to work for a Democrat, | 不仅决定为民主党工作 |
| 148 | but now only campaigned for a Democrat, and not just any Democrat, | 但现在只竞选民主党, 不只是任何民主党, |
| 149 | the former mayor of LA in 2018. | 2018年担任洛杉矶前市长. |
| 150 | So if this is what ideological fidelity means for you, Mr. Madrid, | 所以,如果这是意识形态的忠诚 对你,马德里先生, |
| 151 | tonight won't be the first time that you have decided to sit on the wrong bench. | 今晚不是第一次 你决定坐错凳子了 |
| 152 | Next we have Mr. John Malcolm, | 接下来是约翰・马尔科姆先生 |
| 153 | former director at the Heritage Foundation, | 曾任传统基金会主任, |
| 154 | specializing in constitutional law, criminal justice, the rule of law, etc. | 专门从事宪法,刑事司法,法制等方面的工作. |
| 155 | He then moved on to work for Mike Pence. | 随后他转而为迈克·彭斯工作. |
| 156 | So considering Mr. Malcolm's legal expertise, his work for Mike Pence, | 考虑到Malcolm先生的法律专业知识 他为Mike Pence所做的工作 |
| 157 | and now his invitation to explain how Trump betrayed conservatism, | 他邀请特朗普解释 如何背叛保守主义 |
| 158 | I think this really lives up to the lame joke of asking the divorce lawyer | 我想这真的可以维持 愚蠢的笑话 问离婚律师 |
| 159 | why the marriage was never sealed. | 为什么婚姻从未被封存? |
| 160 | Because that, because that Mike Pence-labeled branch of Republicanism | 因为,因为迈克·彭斯贴上共和党标签的分支 |
| 161 | that I understand Mr. Malcolm is probably part of, | 我知道马尔科姆先生可能也是其中之一 |
| 162 | was never truly about proving how Trump betrayed conservatism, you see, | 从来没有真正 证明川普如何背叛保守主义,你知道, |
| 163 | but about consistently giving excuses to the public as to why they actually once supported Trump | 但对于为何他们曾经支持特朗普, |
| 164 | now that they encountered difficulties finding new jobs. | 现在他们很难找到新的工作。 |
| 165 | Then we have Mr. Brett Stevens, prominent American journalist, editor, and Pulitzer winner. | 然后是Brett Stevens先生 美国著名记者、编辑和普利策奖得主 |
| 166 | I genuinely respect your work, Mr. Stevens, | 我非常尊重你的工作,史蒂文斯先生, |
| 167 | and I had particular appreciation for your famous, elaborate, and articulate 2024 column entitled | 我特别感谢你的著名、精心和阐述的 2024年专栏 |
| 168 | I'm Done with Never Trump, | 我受够了永不川普 |
| 169 | in which you conveyed in a very non-confusing way | 你们曾以毫不含糊的方式加以传达, |
| 170 | that never Trump was never the way to understand Trump and the never Trump, | 川普从来不是理解川普的方式 也不是川普的方式 |
| 171 | so if I understand correctly tonight, are you still never Trump, | 所以,如果我正确理解今晚, 你仍然从来没有特朗普, |
| 172 | or are you no longer never Trump, Mr. Stevens? | 或者你不再是川普了 史蒂文斯先生? |
| 173 | Finally, we have Mr. Richard Stern, | 最后,我们得到了理查德·斯特恩先生, |
| 174 | who was also a former director of Heritage Foundation and also left to work for Mike Pence. | 也为迈克·彭斯工作 |
| 175 | At this point, I think the proposition tonight is looking more like this house believes Mike Pence provides jobs | 此时此刻,我认为今晚的命题 更像是这所房子相信 迈克·彭斯提供工作 |
| 176 | to the politically homeless with four gentlemen | 和四位绅士一起 送给政治流浪汉 |
| 177 | who probably need more counseling sessions than a chamber to listen to their trauma | 他们可能需要更多的辅导课 比一个房间 听他们的创伤 |
| 178 | caused by interactions with President Donald Trump. | 由与唐纳德·特朗普总统的互动导致. |
| 179 | Indeed, Madam President, these are your guests, and they are certainly the most welcome. | 的确,主席女士,这些是你们的客人,他们当然是最受欢迎的。 |
| 180 | Now, who is to say what conservatism is? | 现在,谁会说保守主义是什么? |
| 181 | The French revolutionaries would look like conservatives today. | 法国革命者今天会看起来像保守派. |
| 182 | Rousseau, whose ideas shaped enlightenment and the French revolution in his famous social contract | 卢梭,他的思想塑造了启蒙和法国革命 在他的著名的社会契约 |
| 183 | and his advice to the polls in 1772, | 以及他对1772年民调的建议, |
| 184 | wrote about preserving the borders, nation building, | 写到保护边界 国家建设 |
| 185 | and that certain social identities are pre-existing | 以及某些社会身份存在 |
| 186 | and trenched in the blood and should be emphasized upon in building a country. | 血流成河,在建设国家时应强调这一点。 |
| 187 | Rousseau would be labeled as an extremist by today's wokeists. | 卢梭会被今天的觉醒者贴上极端主义的标签. |
| 188 | He would be labeled as the far right. | 他会被贴上极右的标签 |
| 189 | He would have his headshot on a picket sign paraded around Times Square | 他会在时报广场周围举行示威游行 |
| 190 | written in horror stories to scare those children who dared, dared to say something | 写在恐怖故事里吓唬那些胆敢说些什么的孩子 |
| 191 | that deviated from the politically correct in the classroom. | 这偏离了课堂上的政治正确性。 |
| 192 | That's what the progressives of yesterday would seem like today. | 这就是昨天的进步者今天的样子。 |
| 193 | Conservatives. | 保守论者. |
| 194 | Yet Rousseau's ideas, the enlightenment, the French generals who fought the American Revolutionary Wars, | 然而卢梭的思想,启蒙思想, 对抗美国革命战争的法国将军们, |
| 195 | Marquis de Lafayette, the supporters of constitutional liberty, civic virtue, | 拉法耶特侯爵 宪法自由 公民美德的支持者 |
| 196 | the founding fathers of the United States, | 美国的开国元勋, |
| 197 | what would they have been told by the royalists seeking to resuscitate Louis XVI? | 皇室党人要是想复活路易十六 会怎么说? |
| 198 | That they have betrayed monarchism, that they have betrayed the order of their time, | 他们背叛了君主制 背叛了他们时代的秩序 |
| 199 | that they had betrayed conservatism of their time. | 他们背叛了他们时代的保守主义。 |
| 200 | But why did the French Revolution happen after all? | 但为什么法国大革命毕竟会发生? |
| 201 | Because the people wanted it. | 因为人们想要它。 |
| 202 | There is no amount of political manipulation, populism, betrayal, | 没有多少政治操纵 民粹主义 背叛 |
| 203 | or whatever labels are attached to Trump nowadays that can change the fact | 或任何标签 特朗普现在可以改变事实 |
| 204 | that he was elected 45th and 47th President of the United States by nearly 50% of the votes. | 他以近50%的选票当选第45和47任美国总统. |
| 205 | And who is to tell those voters what they are, | 谁要告诉选民他们是什么人? |
| 206 | that the person they voted for has betrayed what they believe in? | 他们所投的票背叛了他们所信仰的? |
| 207 | Because when American voters go to the polls, | 因为当美国选民去投票, |
| 208 | they don't bring a dictionary with five different definitions of conservatism | 他们不带一个字典 有五个不同的定义 保守主义 |
| 209 | and search for the name of the candidate on the ballot paper | 在选票上查找候选人姓名 |
| 210 | the most compatible with their preferred version of the term. | 最符合他们喜欢的术语版本。 |
| 211 | They simply look for the person they believe will make their lives better. | 他们只是寻找他们相信会改善生活的人。 |
| 212 | So quite frankly, I think trying to convince people that Trump has betrayed conservatism | 老实说,我想是想说服人们 川普背叛了保守主义 |
| 213 | through intellectual vanity is quite pathetic. | 通过智力的虚荣是相当可悲的。 |
| 214 | Rather, the proposition tonight, many of whom hold somewhat influential positions, | 更确切地说,今晚的命题, 许多人占据了有影响力的职位, |
| 215 | should use their words, actions. | 应该用他们的话,行动。 |
| 216 | Yes, I'll take it. | 是的,我会把它。 |
| 217 | Great speech so far. | 目前为止的演讲很精彩 |
| 218 | It's about to end. | 即将灭度. |
| 219 | So make it quick, please. | 请快点 |
| 220 | What is conservatism to you? | 保守主义对你来说是什么? |
| 221 | Conservatism to me is to stand by whatever you want to conserve. | 对我而言,保守主义就是站在任何你想保护的地方。 |
| 222 | Whether that be not wanting to be more progressive | 是否不想更进步 |
| 223 | or wanting to stand by family values, whatever you believe in, | 或想站在家庭价值, 无论你相信什么, |
| 224 | conserving by the word itself means wanting to conserve | 用这个词来保护自己 意味着想要保护 |
| 225 | what you believe are fundamentally your values | 你所相信的基本上是你的价值观 |
| 226 | and what seems the most right to you. | 以及你看来最正确的东西 |
| 227 | That is what conservatism is. | 这就是保守主义。 |
| 228 | And the problem is that so many people are trying to put a definition on conservatism | 问题是,这么多人 试图给保守主义下定义 |
| 229 | when it doesn't have an intrinsic one. | 当它没有内在的。 |
| 230 | Yes, so as I was saying, the proposition probably should be using their words, | 是的,所以正如我所说的, 提议也许应该用他们的话, |
| 231 | actions, and engagement to restore faith from the nation. | 行动,并参与从国家恢复信仰。 |
| 232 | That's the American people for you. | 这是美国人民为你。 |
| 233 | The nation and what they believe is the better definition of conservatism. | 国家和他们所相信的,是对保守主义的更好的定义. |
| 234 | It is in your hands to make them believe and convince them | 让他们相信并说服他们 |
| 235 | that your version of conservatism is the better one and not Trump's. | 你的保守主义是更好的 而不是特朗普的 |
| 236 | So no, Trump indeed has not betrayed conservatism. | 不,川普确实没有背叛保守主义。 |
| 237 | It is those exactly who claim to know what conservatism is | 正是那些声称知道 保守主义是什么的人 |
| 238 | who have betrayed the people. | 他们背叛了人民。 |
| 239 | Vote opposition tonight. | 投票反对今晚。 |
| 240 | Can I please ask that everyone remain seated as the school leaves the chamber | 请大家坐好,学校离开房间 |
| 241 | as quickly as feasibly possible. | 越快越可行的。 |
| 242 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 243 | Thank you so much, Eya, for that speech. | 非常感谢你,艾雅,谢谢你的演讲 |
| 244 | I now call on the second speaker on proposition, Brett Stevens. | 我现在请关于提案的第二位发言者布雷特·史蒂文斯发言。 |
| 245 | Well, good evening, Madam President, distinguished guests, | 晚上好,主席女士 各位贵宾 |
| 246 | talented satirists, and my honorable opponents. | 有才华的讽刺家,还有我的对手 |
| 247 | There are three ways in which our friends on the opposite side of this motion | 这个动议的对立面 我们的朋友有三种方式 |
| 248 | can plausibly argue their case. | 可以说是他们的案子 |
| 249 | The first is that Trump, judged as a man, a politician, and a thinker, | 第一,特朗普,被评为人,政治家,思想家, |
| 250 | I use air quotes, really is a conservative. | 我用空气引言,真的是一个保守派。 |
| 251 | That is that he's operating in a conservative political tradition | 这就是他以保守的政治传统行事 |
| 252 | stretching from Edmund Burke to Margaret Thatcher in this country | 从埃德蒙·伯克到这个国家的 玛格丽特·撒切尔 |
| 253 | or from John Adams and Alexander Hamilton to Ronald Reagan | 从约翰·亚当斯和亚历山大·汉密尔顿 到罗纳德·里根 |
| 254 | and William F. Buckley in my country. | 和威廉・F・巴克利在我国。 |
| 255 | This is the farcical argument. | 此是妄辩. |
| 256 | The second is that the term conservative doesn't really have any fixed meaning, | 第二种说法是,保守派一词实际上没有任何固定的含义, |
| 257 | but that it evolves with time. | 但随着时间的流逝 |
| 258 | And what that term meant in, say, 1926 cannot possibly be what it means in 2026 | 而在1926年 这个词的含义不可能是2026年 |
| 259 | and that this evolution naturally culminates somehow | 而这种进化自然会以某种方式达到高潮 |
| 260 | in the person and policies of Donald John Trump. | 在唐纳德·约翰·特朗普的个人和政策中. |
| 261 | This is the semi-plausible argument. | 此是半辩才. |
| 262 | The third is that a very powerful leader who calls himself a conservative | 第三,一个非常强大的领袖,自称是保守派 |
| 263 | and manages to bring along enough people with him | 并设法带来 足够的人与他 |
| 264 | can insist that what he says, thinks, and does | 可以坚持他说的话,思考,做 |
| 265 | is what conservatism is or must become. | 保守主义是或必须是。 |
| 266 | This is the evil argument. | 此是恶辩. |
| 267 | It is the argument of George Orwell's nightmare, | 这是乔治·奥威尔噩梦中的论点, |
| 268 | the notion that words and concepts and ideas mean nothing | 语言、概念和思想毫无意义的概念 |
| 269 | except what the powerful say they mean at any given time | 除非强者在任何特定时间都说出什么 |
| 270 | to suit their convenience and pleasure. | 以适应他们的便利和乐趣。 |
| 271 | Let me dispose quickly with the first argument, | 让我尽快解决第一个问题 |
| 272 | which is that Trump is operating in the traditions | 就是川普在传统中运作 |
| 273 | of the great figures of the conservative tradition. | 保守传统的伟大人物 |
| 274 | John Adams made his name in colonial-era politics, | 约翰·亚当斯在殖民时代的政坛中创造了自己的名字, |
| 275 | defending British soldiers accused of firing on an American mob | 保护被控向美国暴徒开火的英国士兵 |
| 276 | because he believed that unpopular defendants were still entitled to their legal rights | 因为他认为不受欢迎的被告仍然享有他们的合法权利。 |
| 277 | and that, as he put it, facts were stubborn things. | 而且,正如他所说,事实是顽固的。 |
| 278 | Hamilton, the penniless child of an unwed mother, | 汉密尔顿 一个未婚母亲的无钱子女 |
| 279 | was from the West Indian island of Nevis, | 是西印度岛的尼维斯人 |
| 280 | or what Trump in his first term would describe as, quote, | 或者特朗普在第一个任期中所描述的, |
| 281 | a shithole country. | 一个狗屎国家。 |
| 282 | Edmund Burke famously held that manners are more important than the laws | 埃德蒙·伯克有名的认为 礼仪比法律更重要 |
| 283 | and that without regard for etiquette and moral decency, | 不考虑礼仪和道德, |
| 284 | there could be no good government. | 没有好政府 |
| 285 | Reagan dealt with a hostile press, a hostile Congress, | 里根对付了一个敌对的媒体 一个敌对的国会 |
| 286 | and often a hostile Europe, not by demonizing any of them, | 经常是一个充满敌意的欧洲, 不是通过妖魔化他们中的任何一个, |
| 287 | but by charming them and winning them over to his way of thinking. | 但通过吸引他们 赢得他们的思考方式。 |
| 288 | And Thatcher believed passionately that the road to economic health | 撒切尔热切地相信 通往经济健康的道路 |
| 289 | required getting government out of the businesses it was running, | 需要让政府 走出它经营的企业, |
| 290 | not by purchasing golden shares in struggling corporate behemoths. | 而不是通过购买黄金股 在挣扎的公司霸权。 |
| 291 | I'm sure I don't need to explain how, in all of these respects and so many others, | 我肯定我不需要解释 在所有这些方面和许多其他方面 |
| 292 | Trump's so-called conservatism is the antithesis of all this. | 特朗普所谓的保守主义是所有这一切的反面. |
| 293 | This brings me to the second argument, | 这让我想到第二个论点, |
| 294 | which is that conservatism, like any political movement, | 就是保守主义 就像任何政治运动 |
| 295 | is not some fixed religious dogma, but a set of ideas and evolution | 并不是固定的宗教教条 而是一套思想和进化 |
| 296 | naturally responding to circumstances and challenges, | 自然地对情况和挑战作出反应, |
| 297 | and at times even changing its mind on certain discrete policy positions. | 有时甚至改变对某些不同政策立场的看法。 |
| 298 | Now, this is obviously true, | 这显然是真的 |
| 299 | but there is a huge difference between an evolution and a reversal, | 但进化与逆转之间有很大的区别 |
| 300 | between steering 10 or 20 degrees to port or starboard | 10度或20度到左舷或右舷之间 |
| 301 | as current and weather change, | 作为时空变化, |
| 302 | versus turning the ship 180 degrees around at... | 与180度航向相反... |
| 303 | Yes? | 是吗? |
| 304 | You mentioned Buckley and Thatcher. | 你提到巴克利和撒切尔。 |
| 305 | Would their economic ideas, which are completely different from other conservatives at the time, | 他们的经济思想是否与当时其他保守派完全不同? |
| 306 | not be a 180 degree turn? | 不是180度转弯? |
| 307 | Your sense of the 1980s and Buckley and Thatcher is entirely wrong. | 你对20世纪80年代 巴克利和撒切尔的感觉完全错了 |
| 308 | Thank you for your motion. | 谢谢你的动议。 |
| 309 | Again, Burke is our best guide to what real conservatism is about. | 伯克也是我们了解 真正的保守主义的最好指南 |
| 310 | First, a reverence for what he called our ancient indisputable laws and liberties, | 首先,尊敬他所说的我们古老无可争议的法律和自由, |
| 311 | given to us, as he said, as an inheritance from our forefathers, | 如他所说,这是我们祖先的遗产, |
| 312 | and second, an idea of inheritance that, as he put it, | 第二,一个继承的想法,正如他说的, |
| 313 | furnishes a sure principle of transmission | 提供了传送的确定原则 |
| 314 | without at all excluding a principle of improvement. | 完全不排除改进的原则。 |
| 315 | That means that the job of a thoughtful conservative, | 这意味着一个深思熟虑的保守派的工作, |
| 316 | my friends on this side of the bench, | 我这边的朋友们 |
| 317 | is to revere, preserve, and transmit our foundational principles, | 尊重、维护和传递我们的基本原则, |
| 318 | those certain unalienable rights | 某些不可剥夺的权利 |
| 319 | mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, | 《独立宣言》, |
| 320 | and to be prudent, not abrupt or rash, | 要谨慎,不要突然或疹子。 |
| 321 | like say, Elon Musk running amok with Doge | 比如说 伊隆·穆斯克和多吉一起跑步 |
| 322 | about the way change can be pursued. | 关于如何进行变革。 |
| 323 | So yes, the conservatism of 2026 | 对,2026年的保守主义 |
| 324 | must surely evolve from what it was in 1986, | 肯定从1986年的情况演变而来。 |
| 325 | when I was your age, | 当我是你的年龄, |
| 326 | but it can't simply contradict it. | 但它不能简单地反驳它。 |
| 327 | It can't contradict it on point after point of policy, | 它不能在政策问题上与它相矛盾, |
| 328 | a commitment to free markets and free trade, | 对自由市场和自由贸易的承诺, |
| 329 | a respect for the rule of law and the independence of the press, | 尊重法治和新闻独立, |
| 330 | a commitment to NATO and other treaty alliances, | 对北约和其他条约联盟的承诺, |
| 331 | a thoughtful respect for the contribution of immigrants, and so on. | 深思熟虑地尊重移民的贡献等等。 |
| 332 | And it cannot contradict it when it comes to its guiding habits, | 它不能与它的引导习惯相矛盾, |
| 333 | inclinations, and convictions, | 倾向和信念, |
| 334 | a sense of personal restraint, | 一种个人克制感, |
| 335 | respect for age-old wisdom, | 尊重古老的智慧, |
| 336 | distrust for the over-concentration of political power, | 不信任政治权力过度集中, |
| 337 | a reverence for law and a love of liberty, | 敬畏法律和热爱自由, |
| 338 | and a sensible fear of radical change | 和理智的恐惧 激进的变化 |
| 339 | in the name of rapid social transformation. | 以快速社会转型为名. |
| 340 | Again, in all of these respects, | 在所有这些方面, |
| 341 | Trump does not represent an evolution of conservatism, | 特朗普并不代表保守主义的进化, |
| 342 | but rather its antithesis, | 但它的反面 |
| 343 | even if from time to time some of his policies, | 即使偶尔他的一些政策 |
| 344 | whether on tax rates or military spending, | 无论是税率还是军事开支, |
| 345 | or his disdain for what used to be called political correctness, | 或鄙视曾为正政者, |
| 346 | superficially resemble conservative politics of yore. | 表面上和过去保守派政治相似 |
| 347 | Which brings me, finally, to the third point. | 这让我终于回到第三点。 |
| 348 | Donald Trump is not conservative. | 唐纳德·特朗普并不保守. |
| 349 | He is illiberal. | 他是不自由的。 |
| 350 | That is, a person who does not believe in conserving the institutions | 也就是说,一个不相信保护机构的人 |
| 351 | of a free society | 自由社会 |
| 352 | because he doesn't believe in those institutions in the first place. | 因为他一开始不相信那些机构 |
| 353 | That's why he has his face plastered all over our Justice Department in Washington, | 这就是为什么他的脸涂满 我们司法部在华盛顿, |
| 354 | and why he uses the power of the state to harass, investigate, | 以及他为什么利用国家的力量来骚扰,调查, |
| 355 | or indict his perceived political enemies, | 或起诉他的政治敌人, |
| 356 | and why he deploys paramilitaries to terrorize American communities, | 以及他为何部署准军事部队恐吓美国社区, |
| 357 | and why he builds monuments to himself, | 以及他为何要为自己建造纪念碑, |
| 358 | and why he appoints sycophants and incompetents to the great offices of state, | 以及他为什么任命伪君子和无能者为国家的重要官员, |
| 359 | and why he's so obviously more sympathetic to a dictator like Vladimir Putin | 他为什么对弗拉基米尔·普京这样的独裁者如此明显同情 |
| 360 | than to Volodymyr Zelensky, | 比沃迪米尔・泽连斯基, |
| 361 | and why he chose as his running mate a blood and soil nationalist | 以及他为什么选择 血与土的民族主义者作为竞选伙伴 |
| 362 | who thinks the dirt of his ancestors, | 他们以为自己的祖先是污秽的, |
| 363 | where his ancestors are buried, | 在那里,他的祖先们被埋葬, |
| 364 | matters more than the principles of a constitutional republic. | 不仅仅是宪政共和国的原则。 |
| 365 | But there is no way in which Trump is more liberal | 但川普不可能更加自由 |
| 366 | than in his belief that truth is whatever he says it is. | 比他相信真理是 他所说的一切。 |
| 367 | This isn't a matter of Trump's lying, | 这不是川普撒谎的问题 |
| 368 | because the very word lie implies a baseline level of respect for truth. | 因为这个词本身就意味着尊重真理的基线水平。 |
| 369 | In fact, Trump's idea about truth much more closely resembles those of Foucault and Derrida | 事实上,特朗普对真理的看法更接近于福考特和德里达的观点. |
| 370 | than they do about, say, Roger Scruton or William F. Buckley. | 比他们更喜欢罗杰·斯克鲁顿 或者威廉·F·巴克利 |
| 371 | What Trump plainly believes is that truth is whatever he can get away with, | 川普明白地认为 真相是他能逃脱的 |
| 372 | that words do not exist to describe an underlying reality, | 语言不存在来描述一个根本的现实, |
| 373 | but rather that words are used to shape and create the reality most agreeable to him. | 而是用词来塑造和创造他最认同的现实。 |
| 374 | If any of you have read the great dissident thinkers of the Cold War, | 你们谁读过冷战时期的持不同政见者 |
| 375 | people like Václav Havel, | 像瓦茨拉夫·哈维尔这样的人 |
| 376 | you'll note the uncanny similarity with the ideology and practice of the old communist regimes, | 你会注意到 与旧共产主义政权的 意识形态和实践的不可比拟 |
| 377 | which is not to say that Trump is a communist, of course, | 当然,这不是说特朗普是共产主义者 |
| 378 | only that he shares the same illiberal instincts. | 只是他有同样的不自由的本能 |
| 379 | I will conclude with this. | 最后,我将结束发言。 |
| 380 | I know there are many of you in this room who are on the political left | 我知道这房间里有很多人在政治左翼 |
| 381 | and will be tempted to agree with my friends on the other side of this motion, | 并会试图同意我的朋友 在这个动议的另一边, |
| 382 | because by conflating Trump with conservatism itself, | 因为把特朗普和保守主义混为一谈 |
| 383 | you can more easily loathe and condemn them both. | 你更容易厌恶和谴责他们 |
| 384 | Please think twice. | 请三思. |
| 385 | There will always be a conservative tendency, | 总会有保守的倾向 |
| 386 | a conservative movement, in every society. | 一个保守运动,在每个社会。 |
| 387 | It should matter to everyone in this room, left, right, or center, | 这对这个房间里的每个人来说都很重要 左,右,或中, |
| 388 | that this movement should be healthy rather than cancerous, | 这一运动应该是健康的,而不是癌症的, |
| 389 | aligned with the broad and sustaining principles of every free society, | 符合每个自由社会广泛和持续的原则, |
| 390 | rather than at war with those principles. | 而不是与这些原则交战。 |
| 391 | In Donald Trump and the many imitators he is spawning in this country and elsewhere, | 在唐纳德·特朗普和他在这个国家和其他地方培育的 众多模仿者中 |
| 392 | we have the cancer. | 我们有癌症。 |
| 393 | We must not let it spread even further, least of all, | 我们决不能让它进一步扩散,尤其是, |
| 394 | under that still honorable, still essential name, conservative. | 在那个仍然光荣, 仍然重要的名字,保守。 |
| 395 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 396 | Can I remind members of the audience that when they are leaving, | 我可以提醒观众 当他们离开, |
| 397 | they are voting through their feet? | 他们正在用脚投票? |
| 398 | Walk through the side of the door that you are intending to vote for. | 穿过你打算投票支持的门边 |
| 399 | Thank you very much for that speech, Mr. Stevens. | 非常感谢你的演讲 史蒂文斯先生 |
| 400 | I now call the second speaker on opposition, David Baubus, Christchurch. | 我现在请关于反对问题的第二位发言人戴维·鲍布斯、克里斯蒂安彻奇发言。 |
| 401 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 402 | I would like to start by thanking the first speaker of proposition | 首先,我要感谢第一位发言者的提议。 |
| 403 | for admitting about ten seconds into the debate | 承认了10秒左右的辩论 |
| 404 | that he did not know what conservatism was and had to ask around. | 他不知道什么是保守主义,只好四处打听。 |
| 405 | This confusion about political ideologies continued when he called Trump a fascist. | 当他称特朗普为法西斯主义者时,这种对政治意识形态的困惑仍在继续. |
| 406 | Now, if you want to actually discuss any points of policy or ideology, | 现在,如果你真的想讨论 任何政策或意识形态要点, |
| 407 | of Mussolini, of Gentile, of Hitler, more than just vaguely, | 墨索里尼, 詹蒂尔, 希特勒, 不仅仅是模糊的, |
| 408 | if they were right-wing and authoritarian and this person is right-wing | 如果他们是右翼和独裁 这个人是右翼 |
| 409 | and I don't like him, we can have that debate. | 我不喜欢他,我们可以有辩论。 |
| 410 | But name calling in a debate like this will not get us anywhere. | 但这样辩论的名字 对我们没有好处 |
| 411 | Now, we have heard a lot about what conservatism is and isn't. | 现在,我们已经听到很多关于保守主义是和不是。 |
| 412 | Some very vague definitions, some more precise ones. | 一些非常模糊的定义,一些更精确的定义. |
| 413 | I think we can all accept that conservatism is not reactionary. | 我认为我们都能够接受保守主义不是反动的. |
| 414 | It does not seek to deny the flood of history. | 它并不试图否认历史的泛滥。 |
| 415 | It seeks to slow it down, to select it, | 它试图放慢速度 选择它 |
| 416 | to ensure that it is done by the customs of the country. | 确保国家海关这样做。 |
| 417 | In short, conservatism can accept change, | 简言之,保守主义可以接受变化, |
| 418 | but that change must be done with the aim of preserving the social order | 但这种改变必须是为了维护社会秩序。 |
| 419 | and it does not believe that change is inherently good. | 它不认为改变本质上是好的。 |
| 420 | No. | 没有 |
| 421 | I have six minutes. | 我有六分钟时间 |
| 422 | I'm not taking any points of information. | 我不会拿任何点的信息。 |
| 423 | Sorry. | 对不起 |
| 424 | Now, I agree that Trump represents a new sort of conservatism. | 现在,我同意川普代表一种新的保守主义. |
| 425 | He is a vanguard of this sort of conservatism. | 他是这种保守主义的先锋. |
| 426 | Because this movement, this new conservatism, | 因为这个运动,新的保守主义, |
| 427 | as much as the proposition of trying to portray it as Trump's own fantasies, | 就像试图把它描绘成特朗普自己的幻想一样 |
| 428 | as his own deluded mind, the fact is it's spread much further afield, | 作为他自己迷惑的心灵, 事实是,它已经传播 远在远处, |
| 429 | under conditions which have been many conservative movements change. | 在很多保守运动的条件下, |
| 430 | These movements which cater to honest working women and men | 这些运动面向诚实的男女劳动者。 |
| 431 | of simple patriotism and hard work who have suffered the brunt of modern ills economically | 在经济上首当其冲的现代弊端 |
| 432 | and of a vast demographic transition that they never voted for, | 他们从未投过票, |
| 433 | never asked for and never accepted, | 从来没有要求和接受, |
| 434 | and who are told by the political classes of many countries that they are the problems, | 他们从许多国家的政治阶层得知,他们是问题所在, |
| 435 | that it is their fault, that they are suffering and that they are oppressors. | 是他们的过错,是他们受苦受难,是压迫者。 |
| 436 | Those people have found a new home in this sort of conservatism. | 这些人在这种保守主义中找到了一个新的家. |
| 437 | In Germany, in Australia, in France, in Colombia, it is at the gates of power. | 在德国,在澳大利亚,在法国,在哥伦比亚,它在权力的大门. |
| 438 | In Italy, in Argentina, in Chile, in El Salvador, arguably in Sweden, | 意大利、阿根廷、智利、萨尔瓦多、瑞典 |
| 439 | it has already reached power. | 它已经到了权力。 |
| 440 | And maybe, someday, in this country too, it will have its time. | 也许,有一天,在这个国家,它也会有它的时间。 |
| 441 | And so it is because of this that, surrounded by so many distinguished American guests, | 正因为如此,这么多美国贵宾围着 |
| 442 | I will leave unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar. | 我会把属于凯撒的东西留给凯撒 |
| 443 | I trust that our American guests can speak much better about their own country than I can. | 我相信,我们的美国客人能够比我能说得更好说他们自己的国家。 |
| 444 | But for those of us to whom conservatism is this defense of society | 但对于我们这些保守主义 捍卫社会的人来说 |
| 445 | against the reckless progress, against the reckless advance of blind progressivism, | 反对鲁莽的进步,反对盲目的进步, |
| 446 | for those of us, this debate is not merely American, it is not merely local, it is global. | 对我们来说,这次辩论不仅仅是美国辩论,不仅仅是地方辩论,而是全球辩论。 |
| 447 | And in this quality, what Trump, even if Trump has failed to live up to the standards | 即使特朗普没有达到标准 |
| 448 | that he made himself in leading this new movement in the first country | 他在第一个国家领导这个新运动 |
| 449 | where this movement broke through to power, | 这场运动被推翻了 |
| 450 | in the first country where it broke the old outdated political shibboleths | 在第一个打破了过时政治阴影的国家 |
| 451 | that the people actually disliked, | 人民实际上不喜欢, |
| 452 | in the first country where he put effective policy in some areas. | 在第一个国家,他在一些领域实行了有效的政策。 |
| 453 | For those of us who believe in this sort of conservatism, | 对于相信这种保守主义的人来说 |
| 454 | whether or not he has lived up to those promises is, | 无论他是否履行了这些诺言, |
| 455 | in terms of the global conservative movement, | 就全球保守运动而言, |
| 456 | less important than the impact he has had by leading that movement. | 比起他领导这个运动的影响,他没有那么重要。 |
| 457 | I would like to start then with some more precise examples. | 首先,我要举一些更确切的例子。 |
| 458 | After the Republicans' defeat in 2012, | 2012年共和党败北后. |
| 459 | the general through line in Republican media and in their political class | 共和党媒体和他们政治阶层的将军 |
| 460 | was that the Republicans were actually too conservative on social issues, | 共和党在社会问题上太保守了 |
| 461 | that they had gone too much in that direction, | 他们朝这个方向走了太多, |
| 462 | that actually they were right economically, | 其实他们经济上是正确的, |
| 463 | but they shouldn't moderate, that immigration wasn't so much of a risk and so on. | 但是他们不应该温和些, 移民并不太多的风险等等。 |
| 464 | This was their line. | 这是他们的台词。 |
| 465 | And Trump said no. | 而特朗普则拒绝. |
| 466 | And that is the same no, | 这是同样的不, |
| 467 | which, as I said, has been heard in so many European countries. | 正如我所说,许多欧洲国家都听到这种声音。 |
| 468 | That is the same no that is galvanizing so many voters and so many people | 如此之多的选民 如此之多的人 |
| 469 | in some of those popular parties of so many countries. | 在这么多国家的一些群众政党里 |
| 470 | But it was Trump who said it first in this instance, | 但特朗普首先说, |
| 471 | and we can see a very precise example of this. | 我们可以看到一个非常精确的例子。 |
| 472 | Take immigration. | 采取移民。 |
| 473 | Again, much bigger issue, even actually abroad, than it is in America. | 再说一次,甚至在国外, 问题也比美国大得多。 |
| 474 | Issue which many of the Republican leaders wanted to accept more. | 共和党领导人想接受的更多 |
| 475 | Trump took a hard line, and he took a hard line his second time. | 特朗普采取强硬路线,他第二次采取强硬路线. |
| 476 | And he has actually reversed much of the change. | 他实际上扭转了大部分变化。 |
| 477 | He is grounded to a halt. | 他被禁闭。 |
| 478 | And this has been overwhelmingly a popular measure. | 这已经是一个非常普遍的措施。 |
| 479 | And now when these same European and Western conservative parties | 现在这些欧洲和西方保守的政党 |
| 480 | look for their immigration policies, look for inspiration, | 寻找他们的移民政策 寻找灵感 |
| 481 | look if they can even say these things which were once complete anathema, | 看看他们能不能说出这些 曾经是彻底的厌倦症 |
| 482 | they look to America and they look to Trump and they look to what has been done there. | 他们仰望美国 他们仰望特朗普 他们仰望那里所做的一切 |
| 483 | And I can see few things more conservative | 我几乎看不到更保守的东西 |
| 484 | than wishing to preserve something so basic about a society | 而不是希望保存 社会如此基本的东西 |
| 485 | as its actual culture, as its actual demographic makeup, | 作为它的实际文化, 作为它的实际人口构成, |
| 486 | and as its actual history and having pride in that history and those traditions. | 并以此为历史和传统自豪 |
| 487 | But we can give another example. | 但我们可以举另一个例子。 |
| 488 | Take foreign policy. | 采取外交政策. |
| 489 | For long, very long, we have come to accept in the West | 长久以来,我们来到西方接受 |
| 490 | that we must bind ourselves by so-called human rights laws and by conventions. | 我们必须遵守所谓的人权法和公约。 |
| 491 | When our enemies, when aggressive dictatorships... | 当我们的敌人,当侵略性独裁... |
| 492 | Can you give another stat or point of information? | 你能再提供一点信息吗? |
| 493 | No. | 没有 |
| 494 | When our enemies, when our opponents aggressively don't and fall in the world. | 当我们的敌人,当我们的对手 冲动不和和跌倒在世界。 |
| 495 | Trump has shown that in the West we can show teeth. | 特朗普已经表明,在西方,我们可以展示牙齿. |
| 496 | We can be strict. | 我们可以严格。 |
| 497 | We can defend ourselves. | 我们可以保护自己 |
| 498 | And if he has shown that in his country, if we look at Venezuela, he has also shown that abroad. | 如果他已经表明这一点,如果我们看看委内瑞拉,他也表明这一点。 |
| 499 | And these are tactics no worse than our opponents use. | 这些战术并不比我们的对手更糟糕 |
| 500 | And yet for many, we were simply unwilling to do this. | 然而,对许多人来说,我们只是不愿意这样做。 |
| 501 | Again, he has broken an old political shift, an old political rule. | 他再次打破了旧的政治转变,旧的政治统治. |
| 502 | And again, I don't see what could be more conservative | 再说一遍,我看不出什么更保守 |
| 503 | than wishing to conserve the Western order against such threats. | 而不是希望保护西方秩序免受这种威胁。 |
| 504 | The conservatives were the war hawks, or hawks more generally, in the Cold War. | 保守派是冷战时期的战争鹰派,或更一般的鹰派. |
| 505 | Many have forgotten that. | 许多人已经忘记这一点。 |
| 506 | And I want to say that to those more moderate conservatives | 我想对那些比较温和的保守派说 |
| 507 | who reject these lessons, who wish to go on yielding to everything and anything | 他们否认这些教训, 他们希望继续屈服于一切和一切 |
| 508 | which is brought forth by progressives and liberals and all sorts of left-wing movements, | 由进步派和自由派 以及各种左翼运动产生, |
| 509 | that they clearly have not caught the mood at the moment or the will of the people. | 他们显然没有抓住 现在的心情和人民的意志。 |
| 510 | And this has been seen not only in America, but in all those countries I mentioned. | 不仅在美国,而且在我提到的所有国家中,都可以看到这一点。 |
| 511 | And that those people, those movements, those moderate movements, | 而那些人,那些运动,那些温和的运动, |
| 512 | are heading insatiably into the dustbin of history, | 正在无厌地进入历史的垃圾堆, |
| 513 | which is where they will remain unless they reform themselves | 除非他们改造自己,否则,他们将永居其中; |
| 514 | and unless they come to understand the reasons why Trump was elected. | 除非他们明白特朗普当选的原因 |
| 515 | And in short, I think that Trump has not betrayed the conservative movement | 简言之,我认为川普没有背叛保守运动 |
| 516 | because much to its opposite, he has helped it develop and spread abroad. | 因为相反的,他帮助它发展并传播到国外。 |
| 517 | He has given a strong support base in a very powerful country to this new conservative movement. | 他在一个非常强大的国家里为这个新的保守运动提供了强大的支持基础. |
| 518 | He has shown them what can be done, both politically and in terms of rhetoric and winning elections. | 他向他们表明,无论在政治方面,还是在言论和赢得选举方面,都可以做些什么。 |
| 519 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 520 | Can I please ask that people quickly take their seats if they're walking into the chamber? | 我能请问,如果人们走进房间,请他们迅速坐好吗? |
| 521 | Speaking third on proposition is Mr. John Malcolm. | 约翰·马尔科姆先生是第三位 |
| 522 | So tonight's proposition is, has Donald Trump betrayed conservatism? | 今晚的提议是唐纳德·特朗普背叛保守主义了吗? |
| 523 | The proposition is not whether I supported Donald Trump. | 提议不是我支持唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 524 | I voted for him three times. | 我为他投了三次票 |
| 525 | Nor is the proposition, has Donald Trump accomplished some conservative goals? | 唐纳德·特朗普也没有实现一些保守的目标? |
| 526 | He clearly has. | 他显然有 |
| 527 | Trump secured the border. | 特朗普守住了边境. |
| 528 | He has pushed back on DEI orthodoxy and transgender mania. | 他已经推回DEI正统和变性狂。 |
| 529 | He cut regulations and taxes. | 他削减了法规和税收。 |
| 530 | And he has appointed conservative originalist judges. | 他还任命了保守派原创主义法官. |
| 531 | One may agree with many of Trump's policies, | 人们可能同意川普的许多政策, |
| 532 | but agreeing with the policy does not make it conservative. | 但同意政策并不使其保守。 |
| 533 | And that distinction matters. | 这种区别很重要。 |
| 534 | Conservatism is not whatever a popular leader says it is. | 保守主义不是大众领袖所说的那样. |
| 535 | It is a philosophy grounded in restraint, constitutional order, | 这是建立在节制和宪法秩序基础上的哲学 |
| 536 | and a healthy distrust of concentrated power. | 以及对集中权力的健康不信任。 |
| 537 | In a 2024 interview, Donald Trump explicitly said that he was not a conservative, | 在2024年的一次采访中,唐纳德·特朗普明确表示自己不是一个保守派, |
| 538 | but was a man of common sense. | 但是一个常识的人。 |
| 539 | And he is certainly not an ideological conservative. | 他肯定不是一个意识形态的保守主义者。 |
| 540 | I doubt seriously that Donald Trump has studied Russell Kirk, Bill Buckley, or Roger Scruton. | 我严重怀疑唐纳德·特朗普曾研究过罗素·柯克,比尔·巴克利或罗杰·斯克鲁顿. |
| 541 | The only labels that apply to Donald Trump are disruptor and fighter. | 唯一适用于唐纳德·特朗普的标签是干扰器和战斗机. |
| 542 | He shakes up the system for good or for ill. | 他摇动系统为好或为病. |
| 543 | He operates on instinct, emotion, and personal peak, not ideology. | 他以本能,情感,个人的巅峰,而不是意识形态来运作. |
| 544 | And he doesn't care whether elites react negatively to his bombastic statements. | 而他也不在乎精英们是否对他的爆炸性言论作出消极的反应. |
| 545 | Many of his supporters love him for that. | 他的许多支持者都为此爱戴他. |
| 546 | But love him or hate him, Donald Trump is sui generis, | 但爱他或恨他,唐纳德·特朗普是独特的, |
| 547 | lightning in a bottle, and nobody who follows will be quite like him. | 瓶子里的闪电 任何跟随的人都不会跟他一样 |
| 548 | Now, there is no question that Donald Trump has transformed the Republican Party. | 现在,毫无疑问,唐纳德·特朗普已经改变了共和党. |
| 549 | Today's GOP is more populist and nationalist and less focused on limited government and free markets. | 今天的GOP更加民粹主义和民族主义,较少关注有限的政府和自由市场. |
| 550 | But there have always been Republicans, such as Teddy Roosevelt and Nelson Rockefeller, | 但一直有共和党人 比如泰迪·罗斯福和纳尔逊·洛克菲勒 |
| 551 | who were not conservatives, and political movements built around one man rarely endure. | 他们不是保守主义者,而围绕一个人建立起来的政治运动很少持久。 |
| 552 | Conservatives believe in transcendent moral norms, individual liberty, | 保守派相信超凡的道德规范,个人自由, |
| 553 | constitutional checks and balances, federalism, free markets, | 宪法制衡、联邦制、自由市场、 |
| 554 | and preserving traditions and institutions that have stood the test of time. | 保护经受时间考验的传统和机构。 |
| 555 | As I said, properly understood, conservatism is a philosophy of restraint. | 正如我所说的,正确理解,保守主义是一种克制哲学. |
| 556 | But Donald Trump is a bull in a china shop. | 但唐纳德·特朗普是一家瓷厂的公牛. |
| 557 | He prefers to break things and rebuild them in his own image, sometimes literally. | 他更喜欢打破事物,以自己的形象重建事物,有时是字面上的. |
| 558 | Let me give you a few examples. | 让我举几个例子。 |
| 559 | Trump has called himself the most pro-life president in history, | 特朗普自称是历史上最支持生命的总统, |
| 560 | and he certainly deserves credit for appointing three Supreme Court justices | 他任命三位最高法院法官 无疑值得表扬 |
| 561 | 他加入了Dobbs的意见 推翻了Roe诉Wade案 | |
| 562 | But during the 2024 campaign, Trump distanced himself from pro-life positions | 但在2024年竞选期间,特朗普与亲生立场保持距离. |
| 563 | that he believed had become politically inexpedient. | 他相信他在政治上变得不方便 |
| 564 | He refused to support a federal ban on abortions. | 他拒绝支持联邦禁止堕胎. |
| 565 | He criticized pro-life candidates and ballot measures for going too far. | 他批评支持生命的候选人和投票措施走得太远。 |
| 566 | And he attacked some states for imposing what he called excessive abortion restrictions. | 他攻击了某些州, 以实施他所谓的过度堕胎限制。 |
| 567 | He urged Republicans in Congress to show flexibility | 他敦促国会中的共和党人表现出灵活性. |
| 568 | regarding long-standing prohibitions on federal funding for abortion. | 长期禁止联邦资助堕胎。 |
| 569 | And while pro-life conservatives expected Donald Trump to reverse | 虽然支持生命的保守派期望唐纳德·特朗普扭转 |
| 570 | Biden-era rules allowing the abortion pill Mifepristone | 拜登时代允许堕胎药的规矩 |
| 571 | to be prescribed online and shipped through the mail, | 在网上规定和通过邮件运送, |
| 572 | his administration has actually fought legal challenges to those policies, | 他的政府实际上已经 对抗法律挑战 这些政策, |
| 573 | and he has slow-walked a long-promised safety review of the drug, | 他慢步行驶 久而久之保证的安全审查药物, |
| 574 | despite mounting concerns about the drug's safety. | 尽管人们越来越担心毒品的安全 |
| 575 | Most strikingly, after securing a major pro-life victory | 最引人注目的是,在赢得了一场大反生命的胜利之后 |
| 576 | by eliminating federal funding for Planned Parenthood, | 通过取消联邦对计划生育的资助, |
| 577 | his Department of Health and Human Services quietly restored | 他的卫生和公众服务部悄悄恢复了 |
| 578 | $27.5 million in funding to Planned Parenthood and other pro-abortion groups. | 为计划生育和其他支持堕胎团体供资2 750万美元。 |
| 579 | Moreover, that funding ban is going to expire exactly one month from today. | 此外,从今天起,这一资金禁令将完全结束一个月。 |
| 580 | All of this prompted Marjorie Dannenfelser, | 这一切促使马乔丽·丹恩费瑟 |
| 581 | the president of Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, | 苏珊·安东尼· 亲生命美国社长 |
| 582 | to declare that when it comes to implementing pro-life policies is the problem. | - 宣布在实施反生命政策时,问题在于。 |
| 583 | Conservatives believe in constitutional checks and balances and the rule of law. | 保守派信仰宪法制衡和法治. |
| 584 | As John Adams said, ours is a government of laws, not of men. | 正如约翰·亚当斯所说 我们的政府是法律的 而不是男人的 |
| 585 | Donald Trump has said several times that the Constitution gives him the right | 唐纳德·特朗普曾多次表示宪法赋予他权利 |
| 586 | to do whatever he wants to as president, which is neither conservative nor true. | 做他想做的总统, 这既不保守也不真实。 |
| 587 | To be fair, Donald Trump deserves enormous credit | 公平地说,唐纳德·特朗普值得巨大的赞扬 |
| 588 | for appointing judges who do strictly adhere to the Constitution. | 严格按照《宪法》任命法官。 |
| 589 | The Supreme Court has delivered conservative victories on abortion, | 最高法院在堕胎问题上取得了保守的胜利, |
| 590 | racial preferences, religious liberty, limiting the administrative state, | 种族偏好、宗教自由、限制行政国家、 |
| 591 | and a whole host of other issues. | 以及许多其他问题。 |
| 592 | But conservatism requires respect for institutions, | 但是保守主义需要尊重机构, |
| 593 | even when they disappoint you. | 即使他们让你失望了 |
| 594 | After he lost the tariff case, | 在他输掉关税案之后 |
| 595 | Donald Trump said that the Supreme Court has been swayed by foreign interests, | 唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)说,最高法院受到外国利益的左右, |
| 596 | and he attacked two of his own appointees, | 他袭击了他的两个任命者, |
| 597 | saying that they were an embarrassment to their families. | 说他们是家人的尴尬。 |
| 598 | And he has repeatedly attacked lower court judges as crooked | 他屡次攻击下级法官 |
| 599 | and radical left lunatics when they rule against him. | 当他们统治他的时候,激进分子离开了他。 |
| 600 | An independent judiciary and the rule of law cannot survive | 独立的司法和法治无法生存 |
| 601 | if judges are respected only when they produce outcomes favorable to one political leader. | 如果法官只有在产生有利于一位政治领导人的结果时才得到尊重。 |
| 602 | Trump has also interfered in free markets | 特朗普还干预了自由市场 |
| 603 | by insisting on the government taking equity positions, | 坚持要求政府采取公平立场, |
| 604 | a so-called golden share, | 所谓的黄金份额, |
| 605 | and a wide variety of large private companies with more on the horizon. | 以及各种大型私人公司 拥有更多的视野。 |
| 606 | The precedent having been established, | 这一先例已经确立, |
| 607 | Democrats will certainly do the same with renewed vigor | 民主党当然也会重新振作起来 |
| 608 | when they are back in power, | 当他们重新执政的时候, |
| 609 | investing in companies that support their far-left priorities. | 投资于支持其极左优先的公司。 |
| 610 | The same is true with tariffs. | 关税也是如此。 |
| 611 | Liberals would love to raise taxes without having to get congressional approval, | 自由主义者愿意提高税收而无需国会批准, |
| 612 | and they would love to impose tariffs on countries that say, | 他们想对说, |
| 613 | contribute to global warming. | 造成全球变暖。 |
| 614 | From the time of our founding, | 从我们建国时起 |
| 615 | federalism has been a core conservative principle. | 联邦制一直是核心保守主义原则. |
| 616 | The 10th Amendment reserves to the states all powers, | 第十修正案保留给各州所有权力, |
| 617 | not specifically delegated to the federal government. | 未具体授权联邦政府。 |
| 618 | And it was James Madison who wrote that the division of power | 是詹姆斯·麦迪逊写的 权力划分 |
| 619 | between the state and federal governments provides a double security for liberty. | 州政府和联邦政府之间为自由提供双重保障。 |
| 620 | During his immigration crackdown, | 在他的移民镇压期间, |
| 621 | the president threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act | 总统威胁要援引《叛乱法》 |
| 622 | to deploy federal troops in cities | 在城市部署联邦部队 |
| 623 | over the explicit objections of governors and mayors, | 对省长和市长的明确反对, |
| 624 | saying he wanted to take over those cities to fight local crime, | 他说他想接管这些城市 打击当地的犯罪活动 |
| 625 | a core responsibility of the states, not the federal government. | 这是各州的核心责任,而不是联邦政府的责任。 |
| 626 | He also attempted to conscript state and local officials | 他还试图征召国家和地方官员入伍。 |
| 627 | to enforce federal immigration laws. | 执行联邦移民法。 |
| 628 | Now, personally, I support enforcing our nation's immigration laws, | 我个人支持执行我国的移民法, |
| 629 | and I oppose sanctuary jurisdictions. | 我反对庇护权 |
| 630 | However, as the Supreme Court has said on numerous occasions, | 然而,正如最高法院多次指出的那样, |
| 631 | based on principles of federalism, | 根据联邦制原则, |
| 632 | the federal government cannot commandeer state officials | 联邦政府不能征用州官员 |
| 633 | to implement federal programs. | 执行联邦方案。 |
| 634 | Federalism requires that federal power be exercised | 联邦制要求行使联邦权力. |
| 635 | according to law and policy, not political will. | 根据法律和政策,而不是政治意愿。 |
| 636 | Now, my friends on the other side may cheer Trump's willingness to fight, | 现在,我的朋友在另一边 可能欢呼川普的战斗意愿, |
| 637 | but conservatism is not simply about fighting. | 但保守主义不仅仅是战斗。 |
| 638 | It is about conserving. | 这是关于保护。 |
| 639 | Conserving constitutional order, institutional continuity, | 维护宪法秩序、体制连续性、 |
| 640 | moral norms, and the habits of self-government | 道德规范和自治的习惯 |
| 641 | that make liberty possible. | 自由就成为可能 |
| 642 | Trump has delivered some conservative victories, | 特朗普取得了一些保守的胜利, |
| 643 | but only on issues where his personal politics | 但只针对他个人政治的问题 |
| 644 | just happen to overlap with conservative principles. | 恰好与保守原则重叠 |
| 645 | More importantly, he has encouraged millions of his supporters | 更重要的是,他鼓励了数以百万计的支持者 |
| 646 | to distrust courts when judges disagree with him, | 在法官不同意他的意见时不信任法庭, |
| 647 | distrust elections when outcomes disappoint him, | 当选举结果让他失望时, |
| 648 | and distrust constitutional limits | 和不信任宪法限制 |
| 649 | that stand in the way of his political goals. | 这有碍于他的政治目标 |
| 650 | Donald Trump is simply not motivated by conservative principles, | 唐纳德·特朗普根本没有保守原则的动机, |
| 651 | does not consistently pursue conservative ends, | 不一贯追求保守的目的, |
| 652 | and even when he embraces conservative policies, | 即使他拥护保守政策 |
| 653 | he pursues them in un-conservative ways. | 他以非保守的方式追求他们。 |
| 654 | And for these reasons and others, | 出于这些原因和其他原因, |
| 655 | I believe this House must conclude | 我相信本院必须下结论 |
| 656 | that Donald Trump has, in fact, betrayed conservatism. | 事实上,唐纳德·特朗普背叛了保守主义 |
| 657 | Can I remind members that when they are walking through the door, | 我可以提醒各位成员,当他们走进门时, |
| 658 | they are placing a vote? | 他们要投票吗? |
| 659 | It seems like everyone is walking. | 看来大家都在走路 |
| 660 | The eyes is the light, the nose is the light. | 眼为光,鼻为光. |
| 661 | Thank you very much, Mr. Malcolm, for that fine speech. | 非常感谢你 马尔科姆先生 刚才的精彩演讲 |
| 662 | I now call upon the third speaker on opposition, Mr. Michael Knowles. | 我现在请关于反对问题的第三位发言者迈克尔·诺尔斯先生发言。 |
| 663 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 664 | Thank you, Madam President. | 谢谢你,主席女士。 |
| 665 | Thank you for the invitation. | 谢谢你的邀请 |
| 666 | As a conservative, this trip combines two of my favorite hobbies, | 作为一个保守派,这次旅行结合了我最喜欢的两个爱好, |
| 667 | being in very, very old places | 在非常,非常古老的地方 |
| 668 | and debating the meaning of conservatism, | 辩论保守主义的意义, |
| 669 | which are related interests, actually. | 事实上,这些是相关利益。 |
| 670 | And that really is our charge tonight. | 这真的是我们今晚的责任。 |
| 671 | Before we convict or exonerate President Trump | 在我们宣判特朗普总统有罪之前 |
| 672 | for betraying conservatism, | 背叛保守主义, |
| 673 | we must establish what it is that he has supposedly betrayed. | 我们必须确定他背叛了什么 |
| 674 | Is conservatism, as some of the speakers have suggested tonight, | 保守主义,正如一些发言者今晚建议的那样, |
| 675 | a set of policies, free trade, say, over protectionism? | 一套政策,自由贸易,比如说, 超越保护主义? |
| 676 | If so, then Mr. Trump has betrayed conservatism | 如果是这样,那么川普先生背叛了保守主义 |
| 677 | in the conservatism of his predecessor, the free trader Ronald Reagan. | 在他的前任,自由贸易者罗纳德·里根的保守主义中. |
| 678 | Though in that case, Mr. Reagan would have betrayed his own conservatism | 虽然那样的话 里根先生会背叛自己的保守主义 |
| 679 | when he protected steel, motorcycles, and agriculture, | 当时他保护着钢铁、摩托车和农业, |
| 680 | and free trade itself would have betrayed the earlier protectionist conservatism | 自由贸易本身会背叛 早期的保护主义保守主义 |
| 681 | of Presidents William McKinley and even George Washington. | 威廉·麦金莱甚至乔治·华盛顿总统 |
| 682 | On immigration, President Trump's restrictions might have betrayed | 在移民问题上,川普总统的限制可能已经背叛了 |
| 683 | the laxer policies of Reagan and Bush, | 里根和布什的宽松政策, |
| 684 | but those laxer policies would have betrayed the conservatism | 但那些松懈的政策会背叛保守主义 |
| 685 | of the restrictionist Calvin Coolidge, | 限制主义者卡尔文・柯立芝, |
| 686 | reputedly the most conservative president we've ever had. | 被誉为我们见过的最保守的总统 |
| 687 | On foreign policy, Trump's strikes on Iran | 关于外交政策,特朗普对伊朗的打击 |
| 688 | might betray conservative restraint, | 可能会背叛保守的克制 |
| 689 | but the recent dovish turn in conservatism itself | 但最近Dovish 转向保守主义本身 |
| 690 | would have betrayed the neo-Khan hawkishness of the Bush era, | 将会背叛布什时代的新汉派 |
| 691 | which itself would have betrayed the dovishness of William F. Buckley Jr., | 它本身会背叛小威廉·F·巴克利 |
| 692 | who joined the America First Committee to keep the U.S. out of World War II | 为了让美国免于二战 |
| 693 | before founding the post-war conservative movement. | 在建立战后保守运动之前。 |
| 694 | The most prominent conservatives across time and space | 时间和空间最突出的保守派 |
| 695 | have differed widely when it comes to policy. | 在政策方面差异很大。 |
| 696 | So if conservatism were reducible to a set of policies, | 因此,如果保守主义 被降低到一套政策, |
| 697 | there would be no coherent thing called conservatism. | 没有什么一致的东西叫做保守主义。 |
| 698 | But there is. | 但确实有 |
| 699 | So if it's not policies, then what is it? | 所以,如果这不是政策, 那么是什么? |
| 700 | Is conservatism a matter of personal style, | 保守主义是个人风格的问题 |
| 701 | tweed and bow ties, tact and restraint? | 弯曲和弯曲的领带, 巧妙和克制? |
| 702 | If conservatism comes down to Emily Post's guide to etiquette, | 如果保守主义下到艾米丽·波斯特的礼仪指南, |
| 703 | then Mr. Trump surely has betrayed it. | 那么特朗普先生肯定背叛了它 |
| 704 | The billionaire playboy with the mouth of a sailor | 亿万富翁花花公子的嘴水手 |
| 705 | does not, in fact, spend his evenings sipping port | 其实,他晚上不喝酒 |
| 706 | and steaming his top hat. | 和蒸他的顶帽。 |
| 707 | He cares too much about his hair, and he doesn't even drink. | 他太关心他的头发,甚至不喝酒. |
| 708 | Yet when I think of Mr. Trump's predecessors | 当我想起川普先生的前任 |
| 709 | in the pantheon of western conservatism, | 在西方保守主义的梵天, |
| 710 | I notice that many of them were not always exemplars | 我注意到他们当中有很多人 并非总能说明问题 |
| 711 | of aristocratic restraint and chivalry either. | 贵族的节制和骑士。 |
| 712 | To cite a local example, Winston Churchill drank like a fish | 举例来说,温斯顿·丘吉尔喝得像条鱼 |
| 713 | from breakfast until bedtime, | 从早餐到睡觉 |
| 714 | and his disdain for Bessie Braddock and Lady Astor | 以及他对贝西·布洛克和阿斯特夫人的蔑视 |
| 715 | rivals anything that President Trump has said about Rosie O'Donnell. | 与特朗普总统所说的罗西·奥唐纳有关的一切为敌 |
| 716 | One of the most conservative founding fathers, Alexander Hamilton, | 最保守的创始人之一 亚历山大·汉密尔顿 |
| 717 | committed the nation's first sex scandal. | 犯下了全国第一次性丑闻 |
| 718 | And perhaps the most conservative statesman in history, | 也许是历史上最保守的政治家 |
| 719 | Cato the Younger, famously pimped out his pregnant wife to his best friend. | 卡托的年轻,著名的皮条客 他怀孕的妻子给他最好的朋友。 |
| 720 | If President Trump's colorful personal life betrays conservatism, | 如果川普总统多彩的个人生活背叛保守主义, |
| 721 | then conservatism must lose many of its heroes. | 保守主义必须失去许多英雄 |
| 722 | Now, if conservatism does not come down to policy | 现在,如果保守主义不 下到政策 |
| 723 | or even personal comportment, then what is it about? | 甚至是个人礼仪,那它是什么? |
| 724 | Is it about defending institutions? | 是保卫机构的事吗? |
| 725 | Here I think we're getting closer. | 我觉得我们越来越接近了 |
| 726 | And here we find the strongest argument in favor of the motion this evening, | 在这里,我们发现最强烈的论点 支持今晚的动议, |
| 727 | at least on the surface. | 至少在表面。 |
| 728 | Trump is individualistic. | 特朗普个人主义. |
| 729 | Trump is a populist, the very opposite of an institutional man. | 特朗普是一个民粹主义者,与体制人物截然相反. |
| 730 | And yet, American conservatism, at least, | 然而,美国保守主义,至少, |
| 731 | has always entailed more than a touch of populism. | 总是不只涉及民粹主义 |
| 732 | Wasn't it William F. Buckley Jr. himself | 不是小威廉・F・巴克利本人吗 |
| 733 | who declared that he would rather be governed by the first 2,000 people | 他宣称他宁愿受前两千人的统治 |
| 734 | in the phone book than by the faculty of Harvard? | 在电话簿上比哈佛大学的 教职员? |
| 735 | Our earliest American flags, commissioned by George Washington, | 我们最早的美国国旗 由乔治·华盛顿委托 |
| 736 | call on the people to appeal to heaven to overthrow their king. | 呼吁人民向天堂呼吁推翻他们的国王. |
| 737 | Sounds a bit populist to me. | 听起来有点民粹主义 |
| 738 | And has Trump's populism weakened institutions, as goes the charge? | 而特朗普的民粹主义是否像指控一样削弱了机构? |
| 739 | On the contrary, the record shows the opposite. | 相反,记录显示相反。 |
| 740 | Take NATO, which has been brought up this evening. | 采取北约, 已经提出今晚。 |
| 741 | For years, President Trump has threatened to leave NATO. | 多年来,川普总统一直威胁要离开北约. |
| 742 | He has plausible legal authority to do it. | 他有合理的法律授权 |
| 743 | And yet, he hasn't. | 然而,他还没有。 |
| 744 | He's never even tried. | 他从来没有尝试过。 |
| 745 | Indeed, President Trump has bragged | 事实上,川普总统已经吹嘘 |
| 746 | that his threats have made NATO stronger than ever | 他的威胁使北约比以往任何时候都更强大 |
| 747 | by forcing the other members to fulfill their obligations. | 迫使其他成员履行其义务。 |
| 748 | Trump's opponents claim that he's undermined the integrity of the courts | 特朗普的对手声称他破坏了法院的诚信 |
| 749 | by defying judicial orders. | 违抗司法命令 |
| 750 | In fact, he has defended the integrity of another co-equal institution, | 事实上,他捍卫了另一个平等机构的完整性, |
| 751 | that would be the executive branch. | 这将是行政部门。 |
| 752 | But furthermore, he has challenged the judiciary | 而且他还挑战了司法机关 |
| 753 | from within the institution. | 从机构内部。 |
| 754 | He has appealed lower court rulings, and at least half the time he has won, | 他已就下级法院的裁决提出上诉,至少他赢得了一半的时间, |
| 755 | including at the Supreme Court, | 包括最高法院, |
| 756 | which has ruled that the lower courts themselves | 裁定下级法院本身 |
| 757 | have transgressed institutional limits. | 超越了体制限制。 |
| 758 | Trump's entire political program, in fact, comes down, | 川普的整个政治计划,事实上,下来, |
| 759 | perhaps over drinks later, in the interest of time. | 为了时间考虑,也许晚点再喝 |
| 760 | Trump's entire political program comes down to defending | 特朗普的整个政治计划都是为了捍卫 |
| 761 | and improving an institution. | 并改进一个机构。 |
| 762 | That is, to make America great again. | 也就是说,让美国再次成为伟大的国家。 |
| 763 | Trump did not invent that slogan. | 川普没有发明这个口号. |
| 764 | He inherited it from Ronald Reagan. | 他继承自罗纳德·里根. |
| 765 | That's another mark in favor of his conservatism, by the way. | 顺便说一句,这是另一个有利于他的保守主义的标志. |
| 766 | And the slogan is notably not ideological. | 而这个口号明显不是意识形态的. |
| 767 | It proposes making a place great. | 它建议做一个伟大的地方。 |
| 768 | He even tells us what he specifically means. | 他甚至告诉我们他具体的意思 |
| 769 | He wants to make America richer, stronger, safer, more respected. | 他想让美国更富有,更强大,更安全,更受尊重. |
| 770 | That rhetoric is not exactly lifted off the pages of John Stuart Mill. | 这种言论并没有完全从约翰·斯图亚特·米尔的网页上删除。 |
| 771 | Trump's critics mock his lack of ideological precision. | 特朗普的批评者嘲笑他缺乏意识形态的精确性. |
| 772 | Fine. | 还好 |
| 773 | Call it stupid. | 称其愚痴. |
| 774 | Call it uneducated. | 称其无学. |
| 775 | Call it prejudicial. | 称之为偏见。 |
| 776 | What you cannot call it is a betrayal of conservatism. | 你不能称之为保守主义的背叛。 |
| 777 | Indeed, conservatism arose for the very purpose of opposing ideology. | 事实上,保守主义的产生就是为了反对意识形态。 |
| 778 | We've heard a bit about Edmund Burke tonight. | 我们听说埃德蒙・伯克今晚的事了 |
| 779 | I think we need to read a little more deeply into Edmund Burke, | 我认为我们需要读 更深入的埃德蒙・伯克, |
| 780 | that great patriarch of Anglo-American conservatism. | 那个英美保守主义的伟大父王 |
| 781 | What did he say about ideology? | 他怎么说意识形态的? |
| 782 | He called it the clumsy subtlety of political metaphysics. | 他称其为政治元物理的笨拙微妙. |
| 783 | Discussing tax policy, he declaimed, | 在讨论税收政策时,他称赞, |
| 784 | I am not here going into the distinction of rights, | 我不是来谈权利区别的, |
| 785 | nor attempting to mark their boundaries. | 也不试图标出他们的界限。 |
| 786 | I do not enter into these metaphysical distinctions. | 我没有进入这些元物理上的区别。 |
| 787 | I hate the very sound of them. | 我恨他们的声音。 |
| 788 | Burke hated ideology. | 伯克讨厌意识形态. |
| 789 | He hated rationalism in politics, to borrow a phrase from Michael Oakeshott. | 他讨厌政治中的理性主义,借用迈克尔·奥克肖特的一句话. |
| 790 | Unlike liberalism, conservatism was to be grounded on the firmer foundation | 与自由主义不同,保守主义应该建立在更牢固的基础上 |
| 791 | of prejudice and prescription, habit, tradition, gut instinct. | 偏见和处方 习惯 传统 直觉 |
| 792 | Does that sound familiar? | 听起来熟悉吗? |
| 793 | When Trump was first asked about transgender bathrooms, | 当特朗普第一次被问到变性人的浴室时, |
| 794 | do you remember what he said? | 你还记得他说了什么吗? |
| 795 | He did not offer any grandiose theories. | 他没有提出任何宏伟的理论。 |
| 796 | He did not pontificate about any rights. | 他并不重视任何权利。 |
| 797 | He said, quote, leave it the way it is. | 他说,引用,离开它的方式。 |
| 798 | There have been very few complaints the way it is. | 鲜有人这样抱怨. |
| 799 | Prejudice, prescription, habit, tradition, gut instinct. | 偏见、处方、习惯、传统、直觉 |
| 800 | You might hate that. | 你可能会讨厌的 |
| 801 | The liberal critic, Lionel Trilling, hated that. | 自由主义评论家莱昂内尔·特里林(英语:Lionel Trilling)痛恨这一点. |
| 802 | Long before Trump descended the golden escalator, | 早在特朗普下金梯之前 |
| 803 | Trilling dismissed conservatism as nothing more than a series of irritable mental gestures. | 崔林把保守主义 说成是一系列令人恼火的精神姿态 |
| 804 | And in many ways, he kind of had a point. | 在许多方面,他有一点。 |
| 805 | The late Sir Roger Scruton observed that conservatism is more an instinct than an idea. | 已故的罗杰·斯克鲁顿爵士观察到保守主义更是一种本能而不是一种想法. |
| 806 | Oakeshott said that conservatism at its heart means simply to prefer the familiar to the unknown, | 奥克肖特说,保守主义在它的心脏 仅仅意味着偏爱熟悉的而不是未知的, |
| 807 | the tried to the untried, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, | 尝试到未试者, 实际到可能, 有限到无约束, |
| 808 | the near to the distant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss. | 靠近遥远的, 方便的完美, 呈现笑容给乌托邦幸福。 |
| 809 | This is Trump's politics. | 这是特朗普的政治. |
| 810 | Familiarity, prejudice, practicality, limits, convenience, certainly laughter. | 熟悉,偏见,实用,限制,方便,当然是笑声. |
| 811 | The art of the deal, not dreams from my father. | 交易的艺术 不是我父亲的梦想 |
| 812 | He offers no grandiose theories for any abstract humanity. | 他不为任何抽象的人性提出宏伟的理论. |
| 813 | He wants practical results for a particular people. | 他想给某个人带来实际结果 |
| 814 | Bull markets and beautiful ballrooms. | 公牛市场和漂亮的舞厅。 |
| 815 | Whether he achieves those results or not, that is what he's after. | 无论他是否取得这些结果,这就是他追求的目标. |
| 816 | That is what he's about. | 这就是他的目的 |
| 817 | To oppose the motion this evening does not require you to love or hate Donald Trump. | 今晚反对动议并不要求你爱或恨唐纳德·特朗普. |
| 818 | It does not require you to love or hate conservatism. | 它不要求你爱或恨保守主义。 |
| 819 | To oppose the motion merely requires you to recognize that whatever you love or hate about Trump, | 反对这个动议只需要你承认 无论你爱或恨特朗普 |
| 820 | you love or hate about conservatism too. | 你爱或讨厌保守主义。 |
| 821 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 822 | I'll remind members that they are voting with their feet as they walk through either side of the door. | 我要提醒各位成员,他们在走进门的两边时正在用脚投票。 |
| 823 | Thank you very much, Mr. Knowles, for that speech. | 非常感谢你 诺尔斯先生 刚才的演讲 |
| 824 | I now look to the fourth speaker on proposition, Mr. Mike Madrid. | 我现在要请第四位关于提案的发言者迈克·马德里先生发言。 |
| 825 | Thank you, Madam President, members of the Union, honored guests. | 感谢您,主席女士,本联盟成员,尊敬的客人。 |
| 826 | Tonight's motion, of course, asks us, has Donald Trump betrayed the conservative movement? | 今晚的动议,当然,问我们,唐纳德·特朗普是否背叛了保守运动? |
| 827 | I rise here to argue that, of course, yes, indeed, he has. | 我站在这里是为了论证,当然是的,他确实有。 |
| 828 | not because he lost sight of conservatism, | 不是因为他失去了保守主义的视线 |
| 829 | or because he interpreted conservatism differently, | 或者因为他对保守主义的解释不同, |
| 830 | not because conservatism has evolved, | 并不是因为保守主义的发展 |
| 831 | but because Donald Trump has demonstrated over decades | 但因为唐纳德·特朗普 已经展示了几十年 |
| 832 | that he is loyal to no principle, no institution, | 他忠于任何原则,任何制度, |
| 833 | no tradition, no philosophical undergirding | 没有传统,没有哲学基础 |
| 834 | that stands above his own personal interests. | 超越他个人利益 |
| 835 | And that is indeed the very opposite of conservatism. | 这确实是保守主义的反面。 |
| 836 | Now, throughout this debate, you have heard arguments | 现在,在整个辩论期间, 你听到的论点 |
| 837 | about tax rates and judges, regulations, immigration, | 关于税率和法官、条例、移民、 |
| 838 | and trade policy, foreign policy and elections. | 贸易政策、外交政策和选举。 |
| 839 | You have heard attempts to redefine conservatism | 你听到有人试图重新定义保守主义 |
| 840 | so broadly that any Republican president | 如此广泛 任何共和党总统 |
| 841 | can fit it within its boundaries. | 它能适应它的边界。 |
| 842 | You will be told that conservatism is flexible. | 保守主义是灵活的。 |
| 843 | You have been told that it evolves, that it is malleable, | 你被告知,它进化, 它是可塑的, |
| 844 | that it changes with time. | 它随时间而改变。 |
| 845 | And to a limit extent, there is some truth to that argument. | 在有限程度上,这一论点是有道理的。 |
| 846 | Conservatism has changed, conservatism does change. | 保守主义变了,保守主义确实变了. |
| 847 | But every version of conservatism | 但每个版本的保守主义 |
| 848 | has shared sacred beliefs in common. | 有着共同的神圣信仰 |
| 849 | There are things that are more important than ourselves. | 有些事情比我们更重要 |
| 850 | There are social institutions | 有社会机构 |
| 851 | that are worthy of preservation. | 值得保护。 |
| 852 | There are human traditions worthy of respect. | 有值得尊重的人类传统。 |
| 853 | There are limits on an individual's concentrated power. | 个人的集中权力是有限度的. |
| 854 | There is respect for the wisdom of previous generations | 尊重前辈的智慧 |
| 855 | that built social institutions | 建立社会机构 |
| 856 | and a sacred obligation to conserve them | 以及保护他们的神圣义务 |
| 857 | for future generations. | 为后代。 |
| 858 | That is where conservatism begins. | 这就是保守主义的开始。 |
| 859 | And that is why I'm grateful | 这就是为什么我感激 |
| 860 | that we have begun the discussion with Edmund Burke, | 我们已经开始和埃德蒙・伯克讨论 |
| 861 | the father of conservative thought. | 是保守思想的始祖 |
| 862 | Burke lived during an age of tremendous social upheaval | 伯克生活在社会动荡的年代 |
| 863 | of extraordinary social change | 社会变化的影响 |
| 864 | at a time when we sought as a species | 此时,我们作为一个物种寻找 |
| 865 | to dramatically expand personal liberty | 大幅度扩展人身自由; |
| 866 | and struggle with the preservation | 与保护斗争 |
| 867 | of the institution of ancients. | 以古代的制度发誓, |
| 868 | Burke witnessed the American colonies break from Britain. | 伯克目睹美国殖民地从英国解体. |
| 869 | There's a birthday coming up next month, incidentally. | 顺便说一句,下个月有个生日 |
| 870 | Too soon, too soon. | 太快了,太快了,太快了,太快了,太快了 |
| 871 | And the French overthrow from not merely a king, | 法国人不仅推翻了国王 |
| 872 | but the entire architecture of society itself. | 但整个社会结构本身。 |
| 873 | And that's what disturbed Burke. | 而这正是扰乱伯克。 |
| 874 | Burke was disturbed not by the pursuit of liberty, | 伯克没有因为追求自由而感到不安, |
| 875 | it was the destruction of institutions. | 这是对机构的破坏。 |
| 876 | Not the reform of them, the destruction of them, | 不是改革,而是毁灭, |
| 877 | the erasure of them. | 将消除他们。 |
| 878 | The belief that accumulated wisdom over time | 随着时间的推移积累智慧的信念 |
| 879 | and generations could be discarded. | 一代又一代都有可能被抛弃 |
| 880 | He was disturbed at the conviction | 他对定罪感到不安 |
| 881 | that passion could replace restraint. | 激情可以代替克制 |
| 882 | The assumption that a single generation or person | 一代人或人的假设 |
| 883 | possessed the wisdom to rebuild civilization from scratch. | 拥有从零开始重建文明的智慧。 |
| 884 | He was disturbed by the fact | 他被事实所困扰 |
| 885 | that there was a danger inherent, | 有一种内在的危险, |
| 886 | that there might be a man that would come to power some day | 可能有一天会有人掌权 |
| 887 | with the belief and temerity to state | 信念和决心 |
| 888 | that I alone can fix it. | 我一个人能修好它 |
| 889 | Burke understood something fundamental about human nature. | 伯克对人性有了基本的认识 |
| 890 | He understood that freedom does not survive | 他明白自由无法生存 |
| 891 | on policy and constitutional structure alone. | 仅关于政策和宪法结构。 |
| 892 | Freedom requires institutions, courts, | 自由需要机构、法院、 |
| 893 | precedent, legislatures, churches, customs, | 立法、教会、习俗、 |
| 894 | norms, a free press, the rule of law, | 规范、新闻自由、法治、 |
| 895 | the inheritance of generations. | 继承世代 |
| 896 | Conservatism emerged as a philosophy | 保守主义作为一种哲学出现 |
| 897 | dedicated to preserving those institutions | 致力于保护这些机构 |
| 898 | while allowing for reform. | 同时也允许改革。 |
| 899 | Burke believed that reform was necessary | 伯克认为改革是必要的 |
| 900 | to conserve institutions. | 保护机构。 |
| 901 | That balance between liberty and order, | 自由与秩序之间的平衡, |
| 902 | between change and continuity, | 在变化和连续性之间, |
| 903 | is the entire purpose of the conservative project. | 是保守项目的全部目的。 |
| 904 | And that is precisely on the grounds | 这正是基于 |
| 905 | where Donald Trump stands condemned. | 唐纳德·特朗普被谴责 |
| 906 | Not because he is insufficiently conservative, | 不是因为他不够保守, |
| 907 | but because he is fundamentally anti-conservative. | 但他从根本上来说是反保守的 |
| 908 | For decades, conservatives argued | 几十年来,保守派争论 |
| 909 | that American leadership abroad was essential | 美国领导人在国外至关重要 |
| 910 | to the preservation of freedom and stability. | 维护自由和稳定。 |
| 911 | Ronald Reagan himself stood here | 罗纳德·里根亲自站在这里 |
| 912 | before this very union on December 4th, 1992, | 在1992年12月4日这个工会之前 |
| 913 | and warned against retreating from the world, | 并且警告世人不要退避, |
| 914 | retreating from advocating for the architecture for freedom | 不再主张自由建筑 |
| 915 | and the preservation of Western institutions. | 以及西方机构的保护。 |
| 916 | Trump abandoned that conservative tradition. | 特朗普放弃了这种保守传统. |
| 917 | And then, in characteristic fashion, | 然后,以典型的方式, |
| 918 | he abandoned his own position when politically convenient. | 当政治方便时,他放弃了自己的立场。 |
| 919 | Listen closely, especially for those of you in the back. | 听好了,特别是你们后面的人 |
| 920 | Trump betrayed the conservative foreign policy | 川普背叛了保守的外交政策 |
| 921 | that brought down the despotic Soviet empire | 推翻了专制的苏联帝国 |
| 922 | only to betray his own foreign policy | 只为了背叛自己的外交政策 |
| 923 | for no other reason than he thought | 除了他想的以外,没有别的理由 |
| 924 | would increase his own power on the world stage. | 将增强自己在世界舞台上的力量。 |
| 925 | No moral rationale, no policy imperative, | 没有道德理由,没有政策要求, |
| 926 | no explanation, none. | 没有解释,没有。 |
| 927 | Isolationist one day, interventionist the next. | 隔绝主义者一天,干预主义者第二天。 |
| 928 | No doctrine, no philosophy, no framework-only expedience. | 没有理论,没有哲学,没有框架性的权宜之计. |
| 929 | And that is because betrayal is the currency | 因为背叛是货币 |
| 930 | of the opportunist. | 机会主义者。 |
| 931 | Betrayal is the currency of the opportunist. | 背叛是机会主义者的货币. |
| 932 | The heart of this case, as argued by Burke, | 正如伯克所说 本案的核心 |
| 933 | was that it was character, | 这是个性, |
| 934 | as he would describe it, temperament, a worldview. | 就像他描述的那样 脾气 一种世界观 |
| 935 | Because conservatism is not defined. | 因为保守主义没有定义. |
| 936 | It is not defined by a set of policy preferences. | 它不是由一套政策偏好界定的。 |
| 937 | It is a moral disposition. | 这是一种道德观念。 |
| 938 | Russell Kirk, perhaps the greatest conservative thinker | 罗素柯克,也许是最保守的思想家 |
| 939 | of the 20th century, argued that prudence | 20世纪,认为谨慎 |
| 940 | is the foremost political virtue. | 这是最重要的政治美德。 |
| 941 | Buckley believed character mattered. | 巴克利相信性格很重要 |
| 942 | Reagan believed America was held together | 里根相信美国在一起 |
| 943 | not simply by power, but by trust. | 不仅仅是靠权力,而是靠信任 |
| 944 | Each understood that institutions depend on trust | 每个人都明白体制取决于信任 |
| 945 | and public confidence. | 以及公众的信心。 |
| 946 | And Donald Trump has spent a decade attacking | 唐纳德·特朗普花了十年时间进攻 |
| 947 | the very institutions conservatism was created to preserve. | 保守主义就是用来保护的 |
| 948 | He has attacked the free press, | 他攻击了新闻自由, |
| 949 | effectively lowering it in confidence and trust | 在信任和信赖中有效地降低 |
| 950 | amongst the mind of voters to an all-time low. | 在选民的心目中达到历史最低点。 |
| 951 | He has attacked Christian authority. | 他攻击了基督教权威 |
| 952 | He has attacked the judiciary. | 他攻击了司法机构。 |
| 953 | He has attacked the legislature in our Congress. | 他攻击了国会的立法机构 |
| 954 | He has attacked the electoral system. | 他攻击了选举制度。 |
| 955 | He has attacked the legitimacy of elections. | 他攻击了选举的合法性。 |
| 956 | He lost. | 他输了 |
| 957 | And when he could not provide the evidence | 当他无法提供证据时 |
| 958 | to persuade Americans to overturn an election, | 说服美国人推翻选举, |
| 959 | he encouraged a movement that culminated | 他鼓励一个运动 最终 |
| 960 | in the violent disruption of the peaceful transfer of power. | 暴力破坏和平移交权力。 |
| 961 | The single most sacred tradition | 唯一的最神圣的传统 |
| 962 | and norm of constitutional government. | 和宪法政府的准则。 |
| 963 | If conservatism means anything, | 如果保守主义意味着什么, |
| 964 | it means conserving constitutional order. | 这意味着维护宪法秩序。 |
| 965 | Conservatism means anything. | 保守主义意味着什么. |
| 966 | It means placing institutions above personalities. | 它意味着将机构置于人格之上。 |
| 967 | If conservatism means anything, | 如果保守主义意味着什么, |
| 968 | it means accepting that no individual | 意思是接受任何个人 |
| 969 | is greater than our Republic itself. | 比共和国本身还伟大 |
| 970 | Donald Trump and words and actions | 唐纳德·特朗普和言行 |
| 971 | reject all three of these. | 拒绝所有三个。 |
| 972 | And perhaps the most revealing fact is this, | 也许最能揭示的事实就是 |
| 973 | a dynamic we see on full display here tonight. | 今晚我们在这里全面展示一个动态 |
| 974 | Learned people to this day continue searching | 到今天为止,有学问的人继续寻找 |
| 975 | for the philosophy behind Trumpism. | 特朗普主义背后的哲学 |
| 976 | You've heard it extolled in different variations | 你听过不同变化的赞美 |
| 977 | all over the place tonight like a cat chasing its tail | 今晚到处都是,像猫追尾巴一样 |
| 978 | until ultimately it collapses in exhaustion, | 直到它精疲力尽, |
| 979 | unable to accomplish its goal. | 无法实现其目标。 |
| 980 | Authors write about it. | 作者写作. |
| 981 | Journalists search for it. | 记者寻找它。 |
| 982 | Pundits search for it. | 士卒寻之. |
| 983 | Supporters search for it. | 供养者寻之. |
| 984 | Critics search for it. | 批评者寻找它。 |
| 985 | Everyone assumes that there must be some coherent doctrine | 每个人都认为一定有一些一致的理论 |
| 986 | beneath the surface. | 在地表之下, |
| 987 | My friends, there isn't. | 我的朋友,没有。 |
| 988 | There never was and there never will be. | 从来就没有,也永远不会有。 |
| 989 | The mistake is assuming Trump is conservative | 错误是假设川普是保守派 |
| 990 | and a conservative thinker whose ideas | 和保守思想家 他们的想法 |
| 991 | occasionally conflict with conservatism | 有时与保守主义冲突 |
| 992 | or even occasionally overlap with it. | 甚至偶尔与它重叠。 |
| 993 | Trump is not operating | 特朗普没有操作 |
| 994 | from a conservative philosophy at all. | 从保守的哲学说起 |
| 995 | Conservatism is a political convenience until it's not. | 保守主义是政治上的便利,直到没有. |
| 996 | He is operating from a philosophy of self-interest. | 他从一个自私的哲学出发 |
| 997 | And the only question he asks | 他问的唯一问题 |
| 998 | is what advances Donald Trump? | 唐纳德·特朗普是什么进步? |
| 999 | This is why positions change. | 这就是立场改变的原因。 |
| 1000 | This is why allies become enemies. | 这就是盟友成为敌人的原因. |
| 1001 | This is why enemies become allies. | 这就是为什么敌人成为盟友。 |
| 1002 | This is why principles appear | 这就是为什么原则出现 |
| 1003 | and just as quickly disappear. | 很快地消失 很快的消失 |
| 1004 | Every institution we have is useful | 我们的每一个机构都是有用的 |
| 1005 | until it imposes a limit. | 直至它设限。 |
| 1006 | Every ally is valuable only so long | 每个盟友都值钱,只有这么久 |
| 1007 | as they are willing to bend the knee. | 因为他们愿意弯膝 |
| 1008 | Every principle survives until it becomes inconvenient. | 每条原则都存在,直到变得不方便. |
| 1009 | And this pattern did not begin in politics. | 这种模式并非始于政治。 |
| 1010 | He betrayed business partners. | 他背叛了商业伙伴 |
| 1011 | He betrayed vendors. | 他背叛了卖家 |
| 1012 | He betrayed supporters. | 他背叛了支持者。 |
| 1013 | He betrayed cabinet officials. | 他背叛了内阁官员. |
| 1014 | He betrayed his own vice president. | 他背叛了自己的副总统. |
| 1015 | He betrayed his own appointees. | 他背叛了自己的任命者。 |
| 1016 | He betrayed his own voters. | 他背叛了自己的选民. |
| 1017 | Whenever doing so gave him greater advantage. | 只要这样做,他就会有更大的优势。 |
| 1018 | You'll notice I didn't mention | 你会注意到我没有提到 |
| 1019 | the betrayal of his three wives. | 他三个妻子的背叛 |
| 1020 | And yet we are asked to believe conservatism | 然而我们被要求相信保守主义 |
| 1021 | would somehow be exempt from betrayal. | 不知何故可以免于背叛 |
| 1022 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 1023 | The question is not whether | 问题不在于 |
| 1024 | Donald Trump betrayed conservatism. | 唐纳德·特朗普背叛保守主义. |
| 1025 | Of course he did. | 当然了 |
| 1026 | The question is why anyone would expect otherwise. | 问题是,为什么任何人都会期待不这样做。 |
| 1027 | Burke warned against elevating passion above institutions. | 伯克警告不要把激情提升到机构之上。 |
| 1028 | Kirk warned against ideology becoming a cult of personality. | 柯克警告不要让意识形态成为人格崇拜. |
| 1029 | Buckley warned against the demagogue. | 巴克利警告了不要让妖魔出现. |
| 1030 | Reagan warned against abandoning America's responsibilities | 里根警告不要放弃美国的责任 |
| 1031 | here on this floor before this union | 在工会之前的这层楼 |
| 1032 | and also leaving behind our constitutional traditions. | 还抛弃了我们的宪法传统。 |
| 1033 | Nearly every conservative intellectual or statesman | 几乎每个保守的知识分子或政治家 |
| 1034 | warned us about this man. | 警告过我们这个人 |
| 1035 | In fact, the only social observer | 事实上,唯一的社会观察家 |
| 1036 | who has characterized Trumpian philosophy accurately | 他准确描述川普哲学 |
| 1037 | may be that one great American philosopher, | 也许是一个伟大的美国哲学家, |
| 1038 | Ferris Bueller, | 费里斯・布勒, |
| 1039 | who said, I don't believe in isms. | 谁说,我不相信 是。 |
| 1040 | I only believe in myself. | 我只相信自己,我只相信自己。 |
| 1041 | Trump has violated every one of the warnings | 川普违反了每一个警告 |
| 1042 | of conservative thinkers. | 保守主义思想家 |
| 1043 | He is not the heir to the conservative tradition. | 他不是保守传统的继承人。 |
| 1044 | He is its repudiation. | 他就是他的弃权者。 |
| 1045 | He is not preserving institutions. | 他没有保存机构。 |
| 1046 | He is consuming them. | 他正在消耗他们。 |
| 1047 | He is not conserving an inheritance. | 他没有保存遗产 |
| 1048 | He is spending it. | 他正在花钱。 |
| 1049 | And that is why the motion before us tonight | 这就是为什么今晚我们面前的动议 |
| 1050 | is not merely correct. | 这不仅仅是正确的。 |
| 1051 | It is and always was an inevitability. | 这是而且始终是不可避免的。 |
| 1052 | Donald Trump has betrayed the conservative movement | 唐纳德·特朗普背叛了保守运动 |
| 1053 | because he has betrayed the central idea | 因为他背叛了中心思想 |
| 1054 | that unites every conservative tradition. | 团结了每一个保守的传统。 |
| 1055 | I respectfully urge your support of the motion. | 我恳请你支持这项动议。 |
| 1056 | Sorry. | 对不起 |
| 1057 | I have dinner time. | 我有晚餐时间。 |
| 1058 | It's so long. | 如此长. |
| 1059 | Six minutes, right? | 六分钟,对吧? |
| 1060 | I knew it. | 我早知道会这样 |
| 1061 | The night is young. | 夜还青春. |
| 1062 | We have plenty of time left. | 我们还有很多时间 |
| 1063 | Yeah, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1064 | Ha. | |
| 1065 | Mind if I steal some water? | 介意我偷点水吗? |
| 1066 | Go for it. | 来啊 |
| 1067 | Thank you so much for that speech. | 非常感谢你的演讲 |
| 1068 | I now call upon the fourth speaker on opposition, | 我现在请关于反对问题的第四位发言者发言。 |
| 1069 | Mr. Greg Sindelar. | 格雷格·辛德拉尔先生 |
| 1070 | Madam President, honorable members of this House, | 主席女士,尊敬的本院成员, |
| 1071 | distinguished opponents, many of whom I consider friends, | 尊贵的对手,我多半是朋友 |
| 1072 | and my colleagues on the opposition bench, good evening. | 和我在反对党的同事们,晚安 |
| 1073 | Mr. Madrid, I enjoyed your speech. | 马德里先生,我喜欢你的演讲 |
| 1074 | The thing I admired most of it, though, is your haircut. | 我最欣赏的是 你的发型 |
| 1075 | I'm quite jealous of it. | 我很嫉妒这个 |
| 1076 | But I believe you clad yourself in the armor | 但我相信你穿着盔甲 |
| 1077 | of many of our great conservative thinkers tonight, | 我们许多伟大的保守思想家 今晚, |
| 1078 | but I think you delivered less a defense of conservatism | 但我觉得你没有为保守主义辩护 |
| 1079 | than a eulogy for a splendid antique, | 而非赞颂伟大的古董, |
| 1080 | beautifully preserved, yet utterly disconnected | 保存得漂亮,但完全断开 |
| 1081 | from the living nation it ought to serve. | 从活的民族 它应该服务。 |
| 1082 | It is the purpose of conservatism, after all, | 毕竟这是保守主义的目的 |
| 1083 | to conserve not every minor thing, but the first things, | 保护的不是每件小事,而是最初的事情, |
| 1084 | the principles that give us life and continuity | 赋予我们生命和连续性的原则 |
| 1085 | and assure us a future. | 并保证我们的未来。 |
| 1086 | So as we begin, let's be clear on what conservatism is | 因此,当我们开始, 让我们明确什么是保守主义 |
| 1087 | and is not. | 而事实并非如此。 |
| 1088 | Conservatism is not a fixed policy menu from a bygone era, | 保守主义不是过去时代的固定政策菜单 |
| 1089 | not a litany of tax rates and trade treaties, | 不是一升税率和贸易条约, |
| 1090 | or a ritualized reverence for every institution | 或对每个机构进行仪式性的崇敬 |
| 1091 | simply because they exist. | 只是因为他们的存在。 |
| 1092 | Conservatism is a principle and an ethos. | 保守主义是一种原则,是一种特质. |
| 1093 | And I want to draw a bright line defining it | 我想画一条明亮的线来定义它 |
| 1094 | as the determination to conserve the proper object | 作为保护适当物体的决心 |
| 1095 | of politics, the freedom of a sovereign people | 政治、主权人民的自由 |
| 1096 | to live as themselves under a constitutional order | 在宪法秩序下生活 |
| 1097 | that restrains rulers rather than empowers them. | 限制统治者,而不是赋予他们权力。 |
| 1098 | We must always remember, institutions, markets, | 我们必须记住, 机构,市场, |
| 1099 | and past policies are means, not ends. | 而过去的政策是手段而不是目的。 |
| 1100 | And when they cease to serve the people, | 当他们停止为人民服务的时候, |
| 1101 | when they become weapons turned against the people, | 当他们变成武器的时候, |
| 1102 | conservatism does not counsel blind fidelity. | 保守主义不建议盲目的忠诚。 |
| 1103 | It demands corrective action. | 它要求采取纠正行动。 |
| 1104 | Russell Kirk taught us to protect institutions from chaos, | 罗素・柯克教我们保护机构免受混乱 |
| 1105 | but he never counseled conserving institutions | 但他从未劝说过保护机构 |
| 1106 | that had already descended into chaos. | 已经陷入混乱之中 |
| 1107 | Edmund Burke, who's been talked about ad nauseam tonight, | 埃德蒙・伯克, 谁谈论今晚的广告恶心, |
| 1108 | one of the greatest minds of British liberty | 英国自由最伟大的思想之一 |
| 1109 | and liberty around the world, | 和世界各地的自由, |
| 1110 | and a true friend of our own founding in America, | 也是我们美国创始人的真正朋友 |
| 1111 | reminded us that context and circumstance | 提醒我们,背景和情况 |
| 1112 | define the goodness of a thing | 定义事物的善良 |
| 1113 | and reproach all who would defend the abstract | 责备所有为抽象辩护的人 |
| 1114 | without the specific. | 没有具体内容。 |
| 1115 | Burke said, and I quote, | 伯克说,我引用 |
| 1116 | circumstances give in reality to every political principle | 现实中,每个政治原则 |
| 1117 | its distinguishing color and discriminating effect. | 它的区别颜色和歧视性效果。 |
| 1118 | The circumstances are what render every civil | 环境使得每个公民 |
| 1119 | and political scheme beneficial or noxious to mankind. | 和对人类有益或有害的政治计谋。 |
| 1120 | And President Trump does not exist in the abstract. | 而川普总统在抽象中并不存在. |
| 1121 | He works in the specific, and that is why he is, | 他工作的具体, 这就是为什么他, |
| 1122 | in the Burkean sense, a conservative. | 在伯肯的意义上,一个保守派。 |
| 1123 | So tonight, that is why I rise to oppose this motion. | 所以今晚,这就是为什么我站起来反对这个动议。 |
| 1124 | Donald Trump has not betrayed conservatism. | 唐纳德·特朗普没有背叛保守主义. |
| 1125 | He has revitalized it. | 他给它注入了活力。 |
| 1126 | And tonight, I feel a great sense of duty | 而今晚,我觉得 伟大的责任感 |
| 1127 | to talk to you about the perspective | 跟你谈谈视角 |
| 1128 | that none of my friends on the proposition bench | 没有一个朋友在提案席上 |
| 1129 | can talk about. | 说得通 |
| 1130 | By way of background, | 作为背景 |
| 1131 | I am from one of the most rural parts of America | 我来自美国最乡村地区之一 |
| 1132 | in Western Nebraska. | 在西内布拉斯加州。 |
| 1133 | It is true flyover country. | 这是真正的飞越国家。 |
| 1134 | I won't bother you about the farmland | 田地的事我不会打扰你 |
| 1135 | and all the crops that grow out there, | 和生长在那里的所有庄稼, |
| 1136 | but it is one of the true great places in America. | 但这是美国最伟大的地方之一 |
| 1137 | When I was young, I moved to Texas | 年轻时就搬到德州 |
| 1138 | and I attended what I would call | 我参加了我所说的 |
| 1139 | the Oxford of the South, Texas A&M University. | 南方的牛津,德州A&M大学。 |
| 1140 | Maybe you don't consider that, but I do. | 也许你没有考虑, 但我有。 |
| 1141 | And why I did not grow up in privileged circles, | 为什么我没有在特权圈长大, |
| 1142 | I felt privileged to know and learn from so many Americans | 我有幸了解和学习这么多美国人 |
| 1143 | who have felt abandoned for decades | 被抛弃了几十年的人 |
| 1144 | by conservatives failing them time and time again. | 保守派一次又一次地辜负了他们 |
| 1145 | And this background is exactly why I can speak | 这个背景正是我说话的原因 |
| 1146 | to President Trump's effect on conservatism | 特朗普总统对保守主义的影响 |
| 1147 | because I am from the places where conservatism lives. | 因为我来自保守主义生活的地方 |
| 1148 | From our working class communities, our small towns, | 从我们的工人阶级社区,我们的小镇, |
| 1149 | our middle class drivers, our working families | 我们的中产阶级司机,我们的工作家庭 |
| 1150 | seeking a break, our legal immigrant communities | 我们的合法移民社区寻求休息 |
| 1151 | making their place in the great American story, | 让他们在伟大的美国故事中的地位, |
| 1152 | the Great Plains, the Midwest, the West and the South. | 大平原,中西部,西部和南部. |
| 1153 | It may live out most saliently in these areas, | 它可能主要生活在这些地区, |
| 1154 | but every American depends upon conservatism. | 但每个美国人都依赖保守主义 |
| 1155 | It is after all nothing less than the creed | 毕竟是信仰 |
| 1156 | and the ethic of the American founding. | 以及美国创始人的伦理 |
| 1157 | But these Americans depend upon it the most. | 但是,这些美国人最依赖它。 |
| 1158 | So tell me my distinguished opponents, | 告诉我,我尊敬的对手 |
| 1159 | why are these the very same Americans | 为什么他们都是美国人? |
| 1160 | who have gone for Donald J. Trump the most? | 谁最喜欢唐纳德·特朗普了? |
| 1161 | You say he has betrayed conservatism, | 你说他背叛了保守主义 |
| 1162 | yet the Americans who are the most deeply conservative | 但最保守的美国人 |
| 1163 | vote for him again and again and again. | 一次又一次地投给他 |
| 1164 | And probably again, if they would allow it. | 如果他们允许的话,也许还会再来一次。 |
| 1165 | They vote for him, they rally for him, | 他们为他投票,为他集会, |
| 1166 | they have upended one of America's | 他们更新了美国的一个 |
| 1167 | major political parties for him. | 他的主要政党。 |
| 1168 | Why is that? | 为什么? |
| 1169 | You may make the argument, and you have made that argument, | 你可以提出争论, 你已经提出争论, |
| 1170 | that they are incompetent to define or understand | 他们不能定义或理解, |
| 1171 | the very stuff that sustains them, | 支撑他们的东西, |
| 1172 | and you may say they are voting for their own destruction, | 你可以说,他们是为毁灭自己而投票的, |
| 1173 | that they are ignorant of their own interests. | 他们不知道自己的利益。 |
| 1174 | You may consider them a basket of deplorables. | 你可以认为他们是一篮 可悲的。 |
| 1175 | Others have certainly made those arguments. | 其他人当然提出了这些论点。 |
| 1176 | The decade plus of Trump versus conservatism | 特朗普对抗保守主义的十年 |
| 1177 | invective is strewn with condemnation of Trump supporters | 充满了对川普支持者的谴责 |
| 1178 | for their ignorance, their susceptibility | 因为他们是无知的,是容易的; |
| 1179 | and their gullibility. | 和他们的欺骗。 |
| 1180 | But they're wrong. | 但他们错了 |
| 1181 | I grew up amongst these Americans, I know them, | 我在美国人中间长大 我认识他们 |
| 1182 | I love them, and what you have to understand, | 我爱他们,你必须明白的 |
| 1183 | and what you don't understand, | 还有你不明白的 |
| 1184 | is that President Trump loves them too. | 川普总统也爱他们 |
| 1185 | And they see it, and they feel it. | 他们看到了,他们感觉到了。 |
| 1186 | And they also see that generations | 他们也看到,世代 |
| 1187 | of increasingly aristocratic and disconnected conservative, | 越来越贵族化和不相干的保守派, |
| 1188 | yes, quote unquote, conservative leadership, | 是的,引用未引用, 保守的领导, |
| 1189 | does not love them. | 不爱他们。 |
| 1190 | Because what after all has conservative leadership | 因为毕竟有保守的领导 |
| 1191 | told the American people for the past few generations? | 告诉美国人民过去几代? |
| 1192 | Conservative leadership has told Americans | 保守派领导告诉美国人 |
| 1193 | that they must accept the destruction of their jobs, | 他们必须接受工作被摧毁, |
| 1194 | their industries, and their towns | 工业及其城镇 |
| 1195 | in the name of consumerism and bad trade deals. | 以消费主义和不良贸易交易的名义 |
| 1196 | Conservative leadership has told Americans | 保守派领导告诉美国人 |
| 1197 | they must accept the destruction of their history | 他们必须接受历史的毁灭 |
| 1198 | and heritage in the name of moral progress. | 以及以道德进步为名的遗产。 |
| 1199 | Conservative leadership has told Americans | 保守派领导告诉美国人 |
| 1200 | that they must accept the unanswered aggression | 他们必须接受无果的侵略 |
| 1201 | of the left in the name of process propriety. | 左侧以程序适当性的名义。 |
| 1202 | And conservative leadership has told Americans | 保守派领导告诉美国人 |
| 1203 | time and time again that they are fundamentally | 一次又一次地说,他们根本是 |
| 1204 | nothing more than an idea. | 只是一个想法。 |
| 1205 | Divorced from history and place and people, | 与历史、地点和人离婚, |
| 1206 | and their rootedness in America across generations | 以及他们在美国世代相传的根基 |
| 1207 | is no more precious than the intellectual ascent | 没有比知识分子升华更珍贵 |
| 1208 | of a man who arrived yesterday. | 一个昨天来的人 |
| 1209 | In other words, the conservative movement before Trump, | 换句话说,川普之前的保守运动, |
| 1210 | not only, but especially in the 21st century, | 不仅如此 特别是在21世纪 |
| 1211 | has managed to preside over and positively endorse | 成功主持并积极赞同 |
| 1212 | nearly every single phenomenon eroding and devaluing | 几乎每个现象都侵蚀和贬低 |
| 1213 | the lives and livelihoods of the American people | 美国人民的生活和生计 |
| 1214 | who need conservatism the most. | 他们最需要保守 |
| 1215 | So who is betraying who again? | 谁又背叛谁了? |
| 1216 | Did Donald J. Trump do all of that? | 是唐纳德·特朗普做的吗? |
| 1217 | Of course not. | 当然不是。 |
| 1218 | You, the institutional generational keepers | 你,体制上的世代守护者 |
| 1219 | of what used to be the conservative movement did. | 曾经是保守运动做的。 |
| 1220 | And having failed to conserve, you now attack the man | 没能保住性命 你现在就攻击他 |
| 1221 | who was a consequence and a catalyst, | 他有后果,有催化剂, |
| 1222 | but not a cause of conservatism's revival. | 但不是保守主义复兴的原因 |
| 1223 | If conservative Americans, real conservatives, | 如果保守的美国人,真正的保守主义者, |
| 1224 | turn to him, it is because they have been left | 转过身去见他,那是因为他们已逝去了, |
| 1225 | with no other choice. | 没有其他选择 |
| 1226 | And is President Trump an imperfect vessel? | 川普总统是不是不完美? |
| 1227 | Of course he is. | 当然 |
| 1228 | And I expect we will hear a lot about that this evening. | 我希望我们今晚会听到很多关于这个的消息。 |
| 1229 | We've already heard much about it. | 我们已经听说很多了 |
| 1230 | And some of it will be true, but all of it is irrelevant. | 有些是真实的,但都无关紧要 |
| 1231 | This debate is not about who is a sinner in the eyes of God. | 这场辩论不是关于上帝眼中的罪人。 |
| 1232 | I am. | 没错 |
| 1233 | You are. | 没错 |
| 1234 | And we may end the conversation here | 我们可能在这里结束谈话 |
| 1235 | if that is the point of tonight's discussion, | 如果这就是今晚讨论的要点 |
| 1236 | but this debate is about who has betrayed conservatism. | 但这场辩论是关于谁背叛了保守主义。 |
| 1237 | Remember that the Senate of Rome was corrupt | 记得罗马的元老院腐败了 |
| 1238 | long before Caesar came along, | 凯撒来之前 |
| 1239 | and Donald Trump is no Caesar, | 唐纳德·特朗普不是凯撒 |
| 1240 | but the point is the failures of the institutions | 关键是各机构的失败 |
| 1241 | and their keepers proceeds and makes figures | 和他们的监护者, |
| 1242 | like him inevitable. | 像他不可避免的。 |
| 1243 | And this is the real question before us, | 这是我们面前真正的问题 |
| 1244 | not whether Donald J. Trump has betrayed conservatism, | 而不是唐纳德·特朗普是否背叛了保守主义 |
| 1245 | but my friends, why did you? | 但是我的朋友,为什么你们要这样? |
| 1246 | If you hadn't, we wouldn't be here, | 如果你没有, 我们就不会在这里, |
| 1247 | and neither would Donald Trump. | 唐纳德·特朗普也不会 |
| 1248 | To return to Burke, our opponents would have us | 回到伯克,我们的对手会拥有我们 |
| 1249 | congratulate a highwayman and murderer | 恭喜一位公路人和杀人犯 |
| 1250 | who has broke prison upon the recovery of his natural rights, | 在恢复自然权利后越狱的人, |
| 1251 | but Americans want the highwayman and murderer jailed, | 但美国人却想让那个公路人和凶手坐牢 |
| 1252 | and that is exactly what Trump gives them. | 而这正是特朗普给他们的。 |
| 1253 | And look at just what he has given them. | 看看他给了他们什么 |
| 1254 | A secure and sovereign border, | 安全和主权的边界, |
| 1255 | historically low crime, | 历史上低犯罪率, |
| 1256 | including the lowest murder rates in a century, | 包括一个世纪以来最低的谋杀率, |
| 1257 | the overturning of the horrific and inhumane Roe v. Wade, | 推翻了恐怖和不人道的Roe诉Wade案, |
| 1258 | and on that note, the most conservative American judiciary | 美国最保守的司法机关 |
| 1259 | in nearly a century. | 在近一个世纪。 |
| 1260 | If that is a betrayal, then I would love more. | 如果这是背叛,那么我会更爱。 |
| 1261 | But that is no betrayal of conservatism. | 但这不是背叛保守主义。 |
| 1262 | It's a fulfillment of what conservatism | 这是保守主义的满足 |
| 1263 | is supposed to deliver. | 应该是送货的 |
| 1264 | And this is not a debate about personality or style. | 这不是关于个性或风格的辩论。 |
| 1265 | Trump the man is not in dispute in this house. | 特朗普这个人在这房子里没有争议 |
| 1266 | Trump the conservative is, | 特朗普的保守派是, |
| 1267 | and he will be vindicated, | 他将被证实, |
| 1268 | not by abstractions divorced from effects, | 不是通过抽象 脱离效果, |
| 1269 | all it will require in the fullness of time is his record. | 需要的只是他的记录 |
| 1270 | So tonight, I urge you to walk through the nose lobby | 所以,今晚,我敦促你走 通过鼻子大厅 |
| 1271 | and vote against this motion. | 并投票反对这项动议。 |
| 1272 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1273 | Thank you very much for that speech. | 非常感谢你的演讲。 |
| 1274 | I now call upon the closing speech on proposition. | 我现在请关于提案的闭幕发言。 |
| 1275 | Mr. Richard Stern. | 理查德・斯特恩先生 |
| 1276 | Thank you, Madam President, and thank you to the union. | 谢谢你,主席女士,谢谢工会。 |
| 1277 | It is an honor to take part | 很荣幸能参加 |
| 1278 | in this two century old tradition | 在这个两个世纪的传统中 |
| 1279 | of conserving the freedoms of speech and debate, | 保护言论和辩论自由, |
| 1280 | without which no society can hope to build | 没有一个社会可以指望建设 |
| 1281 | on their inheritance of wisdom. | 继承他们的智慧。 |
| 1282 | Now, before hearing my case tonight, | 在今晚审理我的案子之前 |
| 1283 | you should know that I've in fact voted for President Trump | 你应该知道,我事实上已经投给川普总统了 |
| 1284 | six times if you include the primaries. | 如果包括初选的话,6次 |
| 1285 | We'll talk about that at drinks later. | 我们晚点再谈这个 |
| 1286 | Tonight's debate is not about whether he is a great man, | 今晚的辩论不是关于他是否是一个伟大的人, |
| 1287 | it is whether he will in the long run | 他从长远来看是否愿意 |
| 1288 | leave behind a great nation. | 留下一个伟大的国家。 |
| 1289 | The West Revolutionary Foundation is the idea | 西方革命基金会就是这个想法 |
| 1290 | that we are each free souls under God, | 我们都是在上帝之下自由的灵魂 |
| 1291 | that no man should be master over another, | 任何人不能超越别人, |
| 1292 | that none of us are pawns or property of any state. | 我们都不是任何国家的卒子或财产。 |
| 1293 | That is the civilization that is conservatives | 这就是保守派的文明 |
| 1294 | we seek to conserve. | 我们试图保护。 |
| 1295 | Vigorous government salts the earth | 强烈的政府盐 地球 |
| 1296 | against a vigorous civic society. | 对抗强大的民间社会。 |
| 1297 | Limited government creates a garden | 有限政府创造花园 |
| 1298 | in which civic society can flourish. | 在其中,民间社会能够蓬勃发展。 |
| 1299 | You can have a vigorous government | 你可以有一个强大的政府 |
| 1300 | or a vigorous civic society, but you cannot have both. | 或一个充满活力的公民社会, 但你不能两者兼有。 |
| 1301 | Tragically, Trump has pursued the path | 可悲的是,特朗普走过这条路 |
| 1302 | of vigorous government. | 充满活力的政府。 |
| 1303 | Industry crushing tariffs, | 工业压抑关税, |
| 1304 | innovation stifling price controls, | 创新抑制价格控制, |
| 1305 | effectively nationalizing companies | 有效地将公司国有化 |
| 1306 | to award government connection over merit. | 授予政府联系优于优异 |
| 1307 | Each imposes the daily whims of one man | 每个人每天都想着一个人 |
| 1308 | onto the lives of average Americans, | 在普通美国人的生活, |
| 1309 | and so vigorous government is unmasked as vicious government. | 如此强大的政府 被揭穿为邪恶的政府。 |
| 1310 | In pursuing this course, | 在进行这一课程时, |
| 1311 | Trump has indeed betrayed conservatism. | 特朗普确实背叛了保守主义. |
| 1312 | The Book of Exodus chronicles the Hebrew enslavement | 《出埃及记》记载了希伯来人的奴役 |
| 1313 | under a vicious government. | 在邪恶的政府之下 |
| 1314 | Under the lash, they atrophied | 在斜线下,他们萎缩 |
| 1315 | in the passive and dispassionate observers. | 在被动和冷静的观察者中。 |
| 1316 | When you lose agency, you lose the need to think. | 当你失去代理, 你失去了思考的需要。 |
| 1317 | God did not lead them straight from Egypt | 真主没有引导他们离开埃及, |
| 1318 | to the promised land. | 到应许的地方去。 |
| 1319 | Through the trials of the wilderness, | 通过对荒野的考验 |
| 1320 | he re-grew the civic muscles that slavery had withered. | 他重新壮大了 被奴隶制消灭的公民肌肉 |
| 1321 | God instilled faith in his providence | 上帝将信仰灌输给上帝 |
| 1322 | and reawakened in them what it means to live free. | 并重新意识到了自由生活的意义。 |
| 1323 | To live by faith requires freedom, | 信仰的生活需要自由, |
| 1324 | and to live in freedom requires faith. | 自由生活需要信仰 |
| 1325 | American freedom is defined | 美国的自由被定义了 |
| 1326 | in the Declaration of Independence | 独立宣言 |
| 1327 | by the rights to life, liberty, | 在世界任何地区人权和基本自由遭受侵犯的问题 |
| 1328 | and the pursuit of happiness. | 和追求幸福。 |
| 1329 | Not happiness itself, but the pursuit of it. | 不是幸福本身 而是追求幸福 |
| 1330 | No government can give a man his happiness, | 没有一个政府能给一个人的幸福, |
| 1331 | but an unconstrained one can make it impossible to obtain. | 但是,一个不受约束的人可能 使它无法获得。 |
| 1332 | The champions of vigorous government | 充满活力的政府的拥护者 |
| 1333 | will, of course, promise to punish the bad, | 当然,会答应惩罚坏人, |
| 1334 | to reward the good. | 以报善人. |
| 1335 | However, handing out privileges and shields | 然而,发放特权和盾牌 |
| 1336 | spares people and companies from the consequences, | 让人民和公司免于后果, |
| 1337 | good and bad, of their own choices. | 他们自己的选择是好是坏 |
| 1338 | And once consequences vanish, | 一旦后果消失 |
| 1339 | vice blossoms and industry withers. | 恶性花卉和工业萎缩。 |
| 1340 | Vice because it pays no price, | 因为没有付出代价 |
| 1341 | and industry because it earns no reward. | 和工业,因为它没有得到奖励。 |
| 1342 | Government's chief product, therefore, | 因此,政府的主要产品是: |
| 1343 | is not the imposition of morality, | 并不是强加道德, |
| 1344 | it is the indulgence of license. | 这是许可的允许。 |
| 1345 | Without government interference, | 没有政府干预, |
| 1346 | consequences punish the bad and reveal the good. | 后果惩罚坏人 并揭示好人。 |
| 1347 | This prevents liberty from becoming license, | 这妨碍自由成为许可证, |
| 1348 | and it is what guides us to what works, | 这能引导我们遵循真理, |
| 1349 | to what serves, to what builds. | 以服务于什么,以建立于什么。 |
| 1350 | Adam Smith called this the invisible hand. | 亚当·史密斯称这只无形的手. |
| 1351 | Through trial and error, | 通过试验和错误, |
| 1352 | we discover how to apply our talents | 我们发现如何运用我们的才能 |
| 1353 | in service to our neighbors. | 服务我们的邻居。 |
| 1354 | The resulting prosperity affords us more than goods, | 由此带来的繁荣 给我们的不只是商品, |
| 1355 | it buys us time. | 它为我们赢得了时间。 |
| 1356 | Time to build what Edmund Burke called the little platoons, | 是时候建造埃德蒙·伯克所说的小排了 |
| 1357 | our families, our churches, communities. | 我们的家庭,我们的教堂,社区。 |
| 1358 | These bonds are stronger and sweeter | 这些债券更强大更甜 |
| 1359 | precisely because they are not imposed | 正是因为没有强制实施 |
| 1360 | or bribed with a government check. | 或者用政府支票行贿 |
| 1361 | Liberty with consequences | 附带后果的自由 |
| 1362 | builds a vigorous and generous society. | 建设充满活力和慷慨的社会. |
| 1363 | The same liberty that produces abundance | 同样的自由产生丰富的 |
| 1364 | facilitates the grace to share it | 方便分享恩惠 |
| 1365 | through neighbors who know one another's names, | 通过邻居知道对方的名字, |
| 1366 | through the deep charity | 通过深厚的慈善事业 |
| 1367 | that no government program or check has ever matched. | 政府计划或检查都没有匹配 |
| 1368 | Scripture has a warning | 圣经有一个警告 |
| 1369 | for the nations that trade freedom for servitude. | 以自由换取奴役的国家 |
| 1370 | The people of Israel came to the prophet Samuel | 以色列人民来到先知塞缪尔面前 |
| 1371 | and demanded a king like those of other nations. | 他要求一个像别国一样的国王 |
| 1372 | The Lord said to Samuel, | 主对塞缪尔说, |
| 1373 | it is not you they have rejected, | 他们没有否认你, |
| 1374 | they have rejected me as their king. | 他们拒绝我做他们的国王 |
| 1375 | Samuel warns them what the king will take, | 塞缪尔警告他们国王要拿什么 |
| 1376 | their sons, their daughters, their fields, their vineyards, | 他们的儿子、女儿、田地、葡萄园、 |
| 1377 | a tenth of their grain, a tenth? | 十分之一的粮食,十分之一的粮食? |
| 1378 | Today we have surrendered far more. | 今天,我们已经投降了。 |
| 1379 | Nearly a quarter of all we produce | 差不多四分之一的产量 |
| 1380 | goes to the federal government alone | 独自去联邦政府 |
| 1381 | and as much again to state and local governments, | 以及州政府和地方政府, |
| 1382 | to regulators, to the slow theft | 对监管者,对缓慢的盗窃 |
| 1383 | of deficit-driven inflation. | 赤字导致的通货膨胀。 |
| 1384 | The populist anger at the national condition | 民粹主义者对国家状况的愤怒 |
| 1385 | is in many respects correct, | 在许多方面是正确的, |
| 1386 | but their prescriptions are poison. | 但他们的处方是毒药 |
| 1387 | They claim factories closed because tariffs were too low, | 他们声称工厂关闭 因为关税太低, |
| 1388 | but the EPA and the Department of Labor | 但环保局和劳工部 |
| 1389 | have waged a far more brutal war on them | 对他们发动了更残酷的战争 |
| 1390 | than any foreign competitor has. | 比任何外国竞争者都强 |
| 1391 | They claim home ownership is out of reach | 他们声称自己没有房主 |
| 1392 | because of investors, | 因为投资者, |
| 1393 | but local zoning laws made it impossible to build | 但当地的分区法 使得无法建造 |
| 1394 | while federal deficits drive interest rates | 联邦赤字驱动利率 |
| 1395 | {\fn华文仿宋\fs16\1cHD1D1D1}太高了 | |
| 1396 | and all to fund welfare programs | 资助福利方案 |
| 1397 | that incentivize people to leave both their families | 激励人们离开自己的家庭 |
| 1398 | and the labor force. | 和劳动力。 |
| 1399 | Our problems lie squarely | 我们的问题就在于此 |
| 1400 | where government intrusion has been the heaviest. | 政府入侵最重的地方 |
| 1401 | To ask a government to fulfill your dreams | 要求政府实现你的梦想 |
| 1402 | is to be handed back a nightmare. | 会被送去做噩梦 |
| 1403 | To blame the ills of ever-expanding government | 责备政府不断扩张的弊端 |
| 1404 | on free enterprise is to mistake the firefighter | 在自由企业是错的消防员 |
| 1405 | for the arsonist. | 为纵火犯。 |
| 1406 | And now, wearing new labels, populism, | 现在,戴着新的标签,民粹主义, |
| 1407 | and economic nationalism, the new right, | 以及经济民族主义, 新的权利, |
| 1408 | the arsonist offers to put out the fire | 纵火犯要灭火 |
| 1409 | with yet more gasoline. | 还有更多的汽油 |
| 1410 | To accept the populist offer fails to heed Samuel's warning | 接受民粹主义的提议却不理会塞缪尔的警告 |
| 1411 | to seek an earthly ruler | 寻找大地统治者 |
| 1412 | and reject the one who placed a unique divine spark | 并否认那曾用一个神灵的火花, |
| 1413 | in each of us. | 每个人 |
| 1414 | It is to declare our agency too heavy a burden, | 是宣布我们的机构负担太重 |
| 1415 | our freedom too frightening a gift. | 我们的自由太可怕了 |
| 1416 | If society gives way to government, | 如果社会让位给政府 |
| 1417 | we cannot hope to conserve the good, | 我们不能指望保护好人, |
| 1418 | the true, and the beautiful. | 真实和美丽 |
| 1419 | When Michelangelo took up the block that became David, | 当米开朗基罗攻占成为大卫的街区时, |
| 1420 | two prior sculptors had abandoned it. | 之前的两位雕塑家放弃了它 |
| 1421 | It had sat in the courtyard of the Florence Cathedral | 它坐在佛罗伦萨大教堂的庭院里 |
| 1422 | for nearly 40 years, | 近40年来, |
| 1423 | flawed, weather marked, considered useless. | 有缺陷,天气标志, 被认为是无用的。 |
| 1424 | Michelangelo is said to have remarked | 据说米开朗基罗说过 |
| 1425 | that he saw the figure within | 他看见里面的图 |
| 1426 | and that his task was simply to carve away | 而他的任务只是雕刻 |
| 1427 | until the figure stood free from the stone. | 直到他从石头上解放出来 |
| 1428 | No central planner or industrial policy | 没有中央计划或工业政策 |
| 1429 | could have achieved that. | 可以做到这一点。 |
| 1430 | It took one man free to look at a block | 一个人看着一个街区就自由了 |
| 1431 | the world had given up on | 世界已经放弃了 |
| 1432 | and to see what no one else could. | 看看别人能做些什么 |
| 1433 | Freedom to the individual becomes a gift to the many. | 个人的自由成为许多人的礼物。 |
| 1434 | An ordinary person made in the image of his creator | 以创作者形象塑造的普通人 |
| 1435 | contains far more capacity | 包含的能力要大得多 |
| 1436 | than any government plan could imagine. | 比任何政府计划都想象不到 |
| 1437 | When set free, people gravitate to the work and roles | 自由后,人们会热衷于工作和角色 |
| 1438 | that solve problems and strengthen communities. | 能够解决问题和加强社区。 |
| 1439 | Free societies, conservative societies, | 自由社会、保守社会、 |
| 1440 | trust that there are millions of Michelangelo's. | 相信有数百万米开朗基罗。 |
| 1441 | The left and the new rights see nothing | 左边和新权利都看不到 |
| 1442 | but the marble block. | 但大理石块。 |
| 1443 | Their quest for control blinds them | 他们追求控制使他们无法控制 |
| 1444 | to the genius all around. | 给周围的天才 |
| 1445 | They are blind to the lessons revealed | 他们对启示是盲目的, |
| 1446 | across countless generations of triumph and failure, | 在无数世代的胜利和失败中, |
| 1447 | that the nations that embrace liberty | 拥护自由的国家 |
| 1448 | attain greatness and succeed, | 获得伟大和成功, |
| 1449 | and the nations that do not invariably fail. | 和不总是失败的国家。 |
| 1450 | America's failures are the result | 美国的失败是结果 |
| 1451 | of embracing government over freedom. | 拥护政府而不是自由 |
| 1452 | Trump did not start this betrayal, | 川普没有发动这种背叛, |
| 1453 | but Trump has deepened the betrayal | 但特朗普加深了背叛 |
| 1454 | by giving the quiet drift of decades unparalleled vigor. | 让数十年的静静飘荡 充满了前所未有的活力 |
| 1455 | I urge this house to vote in favor of the proposition, | 我敦促本院投票支持这个提议, |
| 1456 | not as a condemnation of one man, but as a reminder, | 不是责备一个人,而是教训他, |
| 1457 | a reminder that the task of conserving freedom | 提醒人们保护自由的任务 |
| 1458 | falls to each generation, | 落在每一代人身上, |
| 1459 | 临Τ blocks | |
| 1460 | that the gates out of Egypt remain open, | 使出埃及的城门保持开放, |
| 1461 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我们重拾信仰永远为时不晚 | |
| 1462 | and to set out through the wilderness | 穿过荒野 |
| 1463 | to the promised land that we know is on the other side. | 我们所知道的应许之地在另一边 |
| 1464 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1465 | Thank you, guys. | 谢谢你们 |
| 1466 | And now, to close the case on side opposition, | 而现在,为了结束这个案子 在侧面反对, |
| 1467 | I invite Professor Alan Lichtman. | 我邀请了艾伦·利奇特曼教授 |
| 1468 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 1469 | I am Alan Lichtman, and I come here | 我是艾伦·利特曼 我来这里 |
| 1470 | as the representative of a very small club. | 作为很小的俱乐部的代表。 |
| 1471 | Liberals for Trump. | 特朗普的自由主义者. |
| 1472 | I'm a master of oxymorons. | 我是一个催眠师。 |
| 1473 | But forget that for the moment. | 但暂时别提了 |
| 1474 | You know, one of the great advantages | 你知道,一个伟大的优势 |
| 1475 | of being the last speaker | 作为最后一位发言者 |
| 1476 | is there's no one left to contradict you. | 没有人可以反驳你 |
| 1477 | So you can say anything you want. | 故能说一切法. |
| 1478 | The disadvantage is there may be no one left to hear you. | 缺点是可能没有人能听到你的声音。 |
| 1479 | But I am really pleased to see | 但我真的很高兴看到 |
| 1480 | that so many of you have stayed on, | 你们中这么多人都留下来了 |
| 1481 | and I really appreciate it. | 我真的很感谢你 |
| 1482 | Now, I'm gonna very badly paraphrase | 现在,我会非常糟糕的诠释 |
| 1483 | Shakespeare's Mark Anthony. | 莎士比亚的马克安东尼。 |
| 1484 | I come not to bury the American Caesar. | 我不是来埋葬美国凯撒的 |
| 1485 | I come not to praise the American Caesar. | 我不是来赞美美国凯撒的 |
| 1486 | I come to understand him. | 我开始理解他 |
| 1487 | And to understand Donald Trump, | 为了理解唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 1488 | you have to understand that he is not the betrayer | 你必须明白他不是背叛者 |
| 1489 | of American conservatism, | 美国保守主义, |
| 1490 | but in fact is the culmination of 100 years | 但事实上是百年的高潮 |
| 1491 | of the American conservative tradition. | 美国保守派的传统 |
| 1492 | Not just what conservatives have said, | 不只是保守派说的 |
| 1493 | but more importantly, what conservatives have done, | 但更重要的是,保守派的所作所为, |
| 1494 | what they have stood for, | 他们曾主张什么, |
| 1495 | what they have enacted over the last 100 years | 他们在过去100年中颁布的法律 |
| 1496 | is absolutely consistent with what Donald Trump | 绝对符合唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 1497 | has been doing in his two administrations. | 他的两届政府都这么做了 |
| 1498 | But before I get to the history, | 但在我进入历史之前 |
| 1499 | and you know, it's chronicled over 100 years | 你知道,它有一百多年的历史记录 |
| 1500 | in my book, Conservative at the Core. | 在我的书,保守党 在核心。 |
| 1501 | And maybe because I'm the last speaker, | 也许因为我是最后一位发言者 |
| 1502 | I'll just read you my entire book. | 我读你的全书 |
| 1503 | No, no, I'm not gonna do that. | 不,不,我不会这样做。 |
| 1504 | But I will say this. | 但我会这样说。 |
| 1505 | If you think Donald Trump is the betrayer of conservatism, | 如果你认为唐纳德·特朗普是保守主义的背叛者 |
| 1506 | your quarrel is not with me. | 你的争吵不是跟我的 |
| 1507 | Your quarrel is with the overwhelming majority | 你和绝大多数人吵架 |
| 1508 | of tens of millions of self-identified | 数以千万计的自我识别 |
| 1509 | American conservatives. | 美国保守派. |
| 1510 | 90%, I repeat, 90% according to the exit polls, | 90%,我重复,90% 根据退出投票, |
| 1511 | of these self-identified conservatives | 这些自我识别的保守分子 |
| 1512 | voted for Donald Trump in 2024. | 2024年投给唐纳德·特朗普. |
| 1513 | That's a record exceeding even the conservative margin | 这记录甚至超过了保守的幅度 |
| 1514 | for the iconic American conservative, Ronald Reagan. | 为标志性的美国保守派,罗纳德·里根。 |
| 1515 | If you believe that Donald Trump | 如果你相信唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 1516 | is the betrayer of conservatism, | 确是保守的背叛者, |
| 1517 | your argument is not with me. | 你的争论不是跟我的 |
| 1518 | It is with virtually every single elected | 几乎每一次选举都是这样 |
| 1519 | conservative public official, | 保守的公职人员, |
| 1520 | from local office to state office to national office, | 从地方办公室到州办公室到国家办公室, |
| 1521 | who have lined up behind Donald Trump. | 他们排在唐纳德·特朗普后面 |
| 1522 | And it's not just because they're afraid of him. | 不仅仅是因为他们怕他 |
| 1523 | It's because they agree with him. | 因为他们同意他的意见 |
| 1524 | Donald Trump was nominated in contested primaries | 唐纳德·特朗普在有争议的初选中被提名 |
| 1525 | in 2016 and 2024, not because he betrayed conservatism, | 在2016年和2024年,不是因为他背叛保守主义, |
| 1526 | but because he said the things | 但是因为他说了那些话 |
| 1527 | that conservatives wanted to hear, | 保守派想听的话 |
| 1528 | but more timid politicians were afraid to say. | 更胆小的政客不敢说 |
| 1529 | Don't take my word for it. | 别听我的话 |
| 1530 | Look at how conservatives voted. | 看看保守派的投票情况. |
| 1531 | In the 2024 primaries, those who identified | 在2024年的初选中, |
| 1532 | as most conservative voted 90% for Donald Trump. | 因为大多数保守派都投票给唐纳德·特朗普90%. |
| 1533 | He actually lost the rest of those Republican primary voters | 他实际上失去了其余的共和党初选者 |
| 1534 | who didn't identify as the most conservative. | 他没有确定是最保守的。 |
| 1535 | So your quarrel is not with me, it's with them. | 所以你的争吵不是跟我,而是和他们 |
| 1536 | And all this is in my book, | 所有这一切都在我的书, |
| 1537 | but my book doesn't cover what's happened | 但我的书没有报道所发生的一切 |
| 1538 | in the last few months. | 过去几个月 |
| 1539 | I'm not that prolific a writer. | 我不是个作家 |
| 1540 | But look what's happened in the 2026 primaries. | 但看看2026年初选时发生了什么 |
| 1541 | Primary voters are the most conservative. | 主要选民是最保守的. |
| 1542 | They vary from very conservative | 他们跟保守派不同 |
| 1543 | to moderately conservative. | 至中保守论. |
| 1544 | And in virtually every instance, | 在几乎所有情况下, |
| 1545 | these conservative Republican primary voters | 这些保守的共和党初选者 |
| 1546 | have followed the lead of guess who? | 跟随谁? |
| 1547 | Donald Trump, tossing out those he targeted | 唐纳德·特朗普 抛出他的目标 |
| 1548 | and with almost just one exception, | 只有一个例外 |
| 1549 | voting in those he endorsed. | 他赞成的投票。 |
| 1550 | Now, to give you more of an historical perspective, | 现在,为了让大家更多地了解历史 |
| 1551 | you have to understand what conservative means | 你必须明白保守意味着什么 |
| 1552 | in the context of the American conservative movement. | 在美国保守主义运动的背景下。 |
| 1553 | Looking at the philosophers of conservatism, | 看着保守主义的哲学家们 |
| 1554 | as I point out in my book, is absolutely of no help. | 正如我在书中指出的,绝对没有任何帮助。 |
| 1555 | I teach at American University. | 我在美国大学教书 |
| 1556 | You know where that is? | 你知道在哪里吗? |
| 1557 | In Washington DC. | 在华盛顿特区。 |
| 1558 | And in Washington DC, there is one of these persons, | 在华盛顿特区,有这些人之一, |
| 1559 | these philosophers of conservatism on every street corner | 这些哲学家 保守主义在每个街角 |
| 1560 | and not one of them agrees with any other. | 他们中没有一个同意任何其他。 |
| 1561 | Classic example of a contradiction. | 典型的矛盾例子. |
| 1562 | There were those who say conservatism means | 有人说保守主义意味着 |
| 1563 | maximum personal liberty. | 最高个人自由。 |
| 1564 | And then there were those who say no, | 然后有人说不, |
| 1565 | conservative means living under the strict authority | 保守是指在严格权威之下生活 |
| 1566 | of God and his expression on earth. | 以真主及其在大地上的表现发誓, |
| 1567 | Couldn't be more contradictory. | 没有比这更矛盾的了 |
| 1568 | Another example, there were those who say | 另一个例子是,有人说 |
| 1569 | conservatism means preserving the status quo | 保守主义意味着维持现状 |
| 1570 | and its institutions. | 及其机构。 |
| 1571 | And then there are equal number of others who say no, | 还有同样多的人说不, |
| 1572 | conservative means tearing down the status quo | 保守意味着打破现状 |
| 1573 | that's been built up from the liberal state | 这是从自由国家积累起来的 |
| 1574 | for more than 100 years and creating something new. | 百余年来 创造新的事物 |
| 1575 | This won't help. | 这没用的 |
| 1576 | Tell you what does help. | 告诉你有什么帮助。 |
| 1577 | Conservatives have self-defined what their movement means. | 保守派有自我定义其运动的含义. |
| 1578 | I'm talking about the movement. | 我说的是运动 |
| 1579 | And they're remarkably consistent. | 他们非常一致 |
| 1580 | Whether you look at the Heritage Foundation, | 不管你看传统基金会, |
| 1581 | I think we have some folks | 我想我们有一些人 |
| 1582 | from the wonderful Heritage Foundation | 来自伟大的传统基金会 |
| 1583 | flagship conservative organization. | 旗舰保守组织. |
| 1584 | Whether you look at their True North, | 不管你看他们真正的北方, |
| 1585 | whether you look at Ronald Reagan's statements | 你是否看过罗纳德·里根的言论 |
| 1586 | of conservatism, whether you look at Mike Johnson's | 保守主义,无论你 看迈克·约翰逊的 |
| 1587 | seven core principles of conservatism, it's all the same. | 保守主义的七大核心原则,都是一样的. |
| 1588 | By the way, I don't agree with the darn thing | 对了,我不同意这该死的事 |
| 1589 | that Mike Johnson stands for. | 迈克・约翰逊代表。 |
| 1590 | But I really envy the guy because I do political prediction | 但我真的很羡慕他 因为我做政治预测 |
| 1591 | and to predict an election, I've got to slog through | 为了预测选举 我不得不通过 |
| 1592 | all of this historical data. | 这些历史数据 |
| 1593 | But Mike Johnson's got a shortcut. | 但迈克·约翰逊有捷径. |
| 1594 | He thinks the Almighty speaks directly to him. | 他认为万能的主直接和他说话. |
| 1595 | Imagine being able to use that as an advantage. | 想象一下能利用这个优势 |
| 1596 | So what, and these will sound very familiar to you | 那又怎样,你听上去很熟悉 |
| 1597 | and they're written in my book. | 写在我的书里 |
| 1598 | And if they're written in my book, | 如果写在我的书里 |
| 1599 | they have to be true, right? | 他们必须是真实的,对不对? |
| 1600 | They all agree. | 他们都同意 |
| 1601 | Here's what conservatism represents. | 这就是保守主义所代表的. |
| 1602 | Traditional Christian values, free enterprise, | 传统的基督教价值观、自由企业、 |
| 1603 | limited government, fiscal responsibility, | 有限政府、财政责任、 |
| 1604 | states' rights, personal morality, law and order, | 国家的权利、个人道德、法律和秩序, |
| 1605 | strict construction of the Constitution. | 严格制定宪法。 |
| 1606 | Nothing that is unusual. | 没什么不寻常的 |
| 1607 | But the truth is, you can take all of these | 但事实是,你可以把这些 |
| 1608 | professed principles that those who don't think | 宣称那些不认为 |
| 1609 | Donald Trump is a conservative has violated. | 唐纳德·特朗普是一个保守派侵犯. |
| 1610 | You can take them all and do with them | 你可以把他们都带走,把他们都带走 |
| 1611 | what the great British philosopher, | 伟大的英国哲学家, |
| 1612 | and I'd love to quote British people here, | 我想引用英国人的话 |
| 1613 | what the great British philosopher David Hume once said, | 伟大的英国哲学家大卫·休姆曾经说过, |
| 1614 | you should do the works of superstition. | 你应该做一些迷信的事 |
| 1615 | Consign them to the flames. | 把他们送到火焰中 |
| 1616 | Virtually every commentator, | 几乎每个评论家, |
| 1617 | even my fellow historians on conservatism | 甚至我那些保守主义的历史学家 |
| 1618 | have fell into the conservative trap | 已经落入保守的陷阱 |
| 1619 | in believing that these really are the principles | 相信这些确实是原则 |
| 1620 | for which conservatism has stood over the last 100 years. | 在过去的100年里,保守主义一直存在。 |
| 1621 | In fact, as I believe I've proven in my book, | 事实上,我相信我在我的书中证明了 |
| 1622 | these are totally discardable principles | 这些都是完全可以抛弃的原则 |
| 1623 | for public consumption that have nothing to do | 用于无所事事的公共消费 |
| 1624 | with the way conservatives have actually operated. | 保守派的实际运作方式 |
| 1625 | As Richard Nixon once said, look to what I do, | 正如理查德·尼克松曾经说过的 看看我在做什么 |
| 1626 | not to what I said, but look at what they do. | 不听我的话,但看看他们做了什么。 |
| 1627 | Take limited government. | 采取有限的政府。 |
| 1628 | What is the biggest intrusion on limited government | 限制政府的最大入侵是什么? |
| 1629 | in the last 100 plus years? | 在过去100年里? |
| 1630 | Prohibition, pushed by conservatives | 禁止,由保守派推动 |
| 1631 | creating a huge federal law enforcement bureaucracy, | 建立一个庞大的联邦执法机构, |
| 1632 | intruding in the lives of tens of millions of Americans. | 侵扰数千万美国人的生活. |
| 1633 | What's probably the next biggest? | 下一个最大的是什么? |
| 1634 | The surveillance state, right? | 监视州 对吧? |
| 1635 | Set up by who? | 谁安排的? |
| 1636 | One of our most recent conservative presidents, | 我们最近的一位保守派总统 |
| 1637 | George W. Bush, including of all things, | 乔治・W・布什, 包括所有的事情, |
| 1638 | of all intrusive big government, warrantless wiretapping. | 所有侵入性大政府,无证窃听。 |
| 1639 | The difference between liberals and conservatives | 自由主义者和保守主义者的区别 |
| 1640 | is never ever over the size and scope of government. | 从来没有超过政府的规模和范围。 |
| 1641 | It's over the purposes to which government should be put. | 这已经超出了政府应该达到的目的. |
| 1642 | States' rights, prohibition, overrode the laws | 国家的权利、禁止、推翻法律 |
| 1643 | of one third of the American states, | 三分之一的美国州, |
| 1644 | states that had a majority of the population. | 人口占大多数的邦。 |
| 1645 | States' rights, what have Republicans been, | 州的权利, 共和党是什么, |
| 1646 | or conservatives, because there have been | 或保守派,因为 |
| 1647 | lots of conservative democrats until more recently, | 许多保守的民主主义者 直到最近, |
| 1648 | what have they been pushing? | 他们一直在推什么? |
| 1649 | A right to life amendment which would overturn | B. 改变生命权从而推翻 |
| 1650 | the abortion laws of at least half the states. | 至少一半的州有堕胎法。 |
| 1651 | Forget states' rights. | 忘记国家的权利 |
| 1652 | Fiscal responsibility, | 财政责任; |
| 1653 | conservatives love fiscal responsibility. | 保守派热爱财政责任. |
| 1654 | Guess when? | 猜猜什么时候? |
| 1655 | When they're out of power. | 当其断权. |
| 1656 | Put them in power and they blow the biggest holes | 让他们掌权,炸掉最大的洞 |
| 1657 | in the deficit measured as a percentage | 按百分比计算的赤字 |
| 1658 | of gross domestic product. | 国内生产总值。 |
| 1659 | Look at the primary examples even before Trump. | 看看在特朗普之前的主要例子. |
| 1660 | And again, I'm saying all these things | 再说一遍,我说了这么多话 |
| 1661 | were smashed long before Trump. | 在特朗普之前很久就被砸烂了 |
| 1662 | Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. | 罗纳德·里根和乔治·W·布什. |
| 1663 | Personal morality, what a joke. | 个人道德,真是个笑话。 |
| 1664 | Conservatives have lined up behind | 保守派已经排到后面 |
| 1665 | some of the most blatantly immoral political leaders | 一些最公然不道德的政治领导人 |
| 1666 | in modern American history. | 在现代美国历史上。 |
| 1667 | They lined up behind, and again it's documented here, | 他们排在后面, 再一次记录在这里, |
| 1668 | I have the quotes, the serial adulterer Warren G. Harding | 我有引文 连环奸夫沃伦·G·哈丁 |
| 1669 | who had an affair with his mistress in the White House | 在白宫和情妇有染 |
| 1670 | and fathered a child that his estate totally denied | 生了一个孩子 他的财产完全否认 |
| 1671 | and tried to deny the woman any compensation. | 并试图拒绝给予她任何补偿。 |
| 1672 | They lined up behind Newt Gingrich | 他们排在纽特・金里奇后面 |
| 1673 | who had an affair when his wife was suffering | 在妻子受苦的时候有染的, |
| 1674 | from uterine cancer and who served papers on her | 患有子宫癌的 并且为她服务过 |
| 1675 | after she had recovered from surgery. | 在她手术后康复后 |
| 1676 | They lined up behind Newt Gingrich, | 他们排在纽特・金里奇后面 |
| 1677 | another serial, excuse me, behind Dennis Hastert, | 另一个连载,对不起, 在丹尼斯・哈斯特特后面, |
| 1678 | a convicted pedophile and yet they were still willing | 一个被定罪的恋童癖者,但他们仍然愿意 |
| 1679 | to explain away his very serious crimes. | 来解释他的罪行 |
| 1680 | Not to mention, of course, more recently, | 当然 更不用提最近 |
| 1681 | figures like Roy Moore and Herschel Walker. | 罗伊·摩尔和赫歇尔·沃克 |
| 1682 | Strict construction of the Constitution. | 严格宪法建设. |
| 1683 | Look what conservatives have done with campaign finance. | 看看保守派对竞选资金做了什么 |
| 1684 | They've said that spending money is speech | 他们说花钱就是说话 |
| 1685 | covered by the First Amendment. | 由第一修正案涵盖。 |
| 1686 | Tell me where that's written down in the Constitution. | 告诉我宪法写在哪里 |
| 1687 | They've said that corporations have the same freedoms | 他们说公司有同样的自由 |
| 1688 | as people do. | 就像人们一样 |
| 1689 | Tell me where that is written down in the Constitution. | 告诉我宪法写在哪里 |
| 1690 | And of course, they, you know, | 当然,他们,你知道, |
| 1691 | bringing it up to the recent time, | 把它提到最近的时间, |
| 1692 | gave Trump an enormous immunity | 给了特朗普巨大的豁免权 |
| 1693 | from even the most heinous crimes of murder. | 连最令人发指的谋杀罪都一样 |
| 1694 | Tell me where that is written down in the Constitution. | 告诉我宪法写在哪里 |
| 1695 | So the notion that Trump has violated conservatism | 特朗普违反保守主义的观念 |
| 1696 | by smashing these principles will not hold up | 粉碎这些原则是行不通的 |
| 1697 | to historical analysis. | 到历史分析。 |
| 1698 | They are already shattered. | 他们已经粉碎了。 |
| 1699 | They are already scattered all over the floor | 他们已经分散在地板上 |
| 1700 | of the Capitol. | 国会大厦。 |
| 1701 | So if this is not what conservatives stand for, what is? | 所以如果这不是保守派所代表的,那又是什么? |
| 1702 | And my book answers that question as well. | 我的书也回答了这个问题。 |
| 1703 | Of course it does. | 当然 |
| 1704 | What do you think? | 你觉得呢? |
| 1705 | I'm just here to talk. | 我只是来谈谈的 |
| 1706 | One, support for private, not free enterprise | 一,支持民营而非自由企业. |
| 1707 | or free markets. | 或自由市场。 |
| 1708 | What's the worst intrusion we can have | 还有什么最糟糕的干扰我们 |
| 1709 | on free enterprise and free markets? | 自由企业和自由市场? |
| 1710 | Tariffs, right? | 关税,对不对? |
| 1711 | Which stymie the international flow of goods, | 这阻碍了国际货物流动, |
| 1712 | which create artificial winners and losers in the economy. | 这在经济中创造了人为的赢家和输家。 |
| 1713 | Conservatives have pushed tariffs ever since, | 保守派一直推高关税, |
| 1714 | and even before. | 甚至在之前 |
| 1715 | Can I go on a little longer? | 我能再继续一会儿吗? |
| 1716 | Yes or no? | 是还是不是? |
| 1717 | All right, it won't be that long. | 好吧,不会太久的。 |
| 1718 | I won't put anyone to sleep. | 我不会让任何人睡觉。 |
| 1719 | They've been pushing protective tariffs | 他们一直在征收保护费 |
| 1720 | back to the McKinley Tariff, | 回到麦金莱关税, |
| 1721 | which Trump loves in the late 19th century. | 特朗普在19世纪后期喜欢的 |
| 1722 | Of course, the most notorious conservative tariff | 当然,最臭名昭著的保守关税 |
| 1723 | was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, | 是斯穆特 -霍利关税, |
| 1724 | which prolonged and deepened the depression of the 1930s. | 它延长和加深了1930年代的萧条 |
| 1725 | How else have they violated free markets, | 否则他们是如何侵犯自由市场的, |
| 1726 | free enterprise, loans, subsidies, | 自由企业、贷款、补贴、 |
| 1727 | special guarantees to business, | 对企业的特别担保, |
| 1728 | and of course the war on labor, | 当然还有劳动战争, |
| 1729 | which has smashed labor unions | 摧毁了工会 |
| 1730 | from 33% of the workforce in the 1950s | 占1950年代劳动力的33% |
| 1731 | all the way down to 10% today. | 从今天一直降到10% |
| 1732 | So forget free markets, forget free enterprise, | 忘记自由市场 忘记自由企业 |
| 1733 | it's private enterprise, | 这是私人企业, |
| 1734 | which is exactly what Trump is doing | 这正是特朗普在做什么 |
| 1735 | with all his favoritism to his business allies, | 他对生意盟友的宠爱 |
| 1736 | with his deregulation, with his tax breaks. | 他放松管制 减税 |
| 1737 | This would be quite familiar to Calvin Coolidge | 这对卡尔文·柯立芝来说很熟悉 |
| 1738 | and Warren Harding in the 1920s. | 和1920年代的沃伦·哈丁. |
| 1739 | What else does conservative represent? | 保守派还代表什么? |
| 1740 | Not traditional Christian or Christian Judaic values, | 不是传统的基督教或基督教犹大价值观, |
| 1741 | but their own version of that, | 但是他们自己的版本, |
| 1742 | which focuses on the most fringe elements, | 专注于最边缘的因素, |
| 1743 | and I've got all the quotes in my book, of course, | 我书里有所有引文 当然 |
| 1744 | and the most fringe elements of the teaching of Jesus. | 以及耶稣最边缘的教义 |
| 1745 | Do you really think that the core of Jesus' teaching | 你真的认为 耶稣教的核心 |
| 1746 | is about transgender, about abortion, | 是关于变性者, 关于堕胎, |
| 1747 | about gays and lesbians? | 关于同性恋和女同性恋? |
| 1748 | Either Jesus says nothing about those things, | 无论耶稣说什么 关于那些东西, |
| 1749 | or you've got to really, really infer from his teachings. | 或者你得从他的教义中 真正地推断出来 |
| 1750 | What is the great bulk of Jesus' teachings all about | 耶稣大部分的教义是什么 |
| 1751 | that conservatives ignore the dangers of wealth and greed? | 保守派无视财富和贪婪的危险? |
| 1752 | It was Jesus who said it's easier for a camel | 是耶稣说骆驼比较容易 |
| 1753 | to pass through the eye of a needle | 穿过针眼 |
| 1754 | than for a rich man to go to heaven. | 而不是富人去天堂 |
| 1755 | Fidelity to the truth, care for the poor, | 忠于真理,关心穷人, |
| 1756 | and the sojourner, which is, you know, | 和酒鬼,这就是,你知道, |
| 1757 | this is the overwhelming bulk of Jesus' teaching. | 这是耶稣大部分的教义 |
| 1758 | Finally, and I will wrap this up now, I promise you, | 最后,我现在就结束,我向你保证, |
| 1759 | don't take my word for all this, | 别相信我的话 |
| 1760 | although I think you should, | 虽然我认为你应该, |
| 1761 | and I think you must read the book. | 我想你必须读这本书。 |
| 1762 | I'm gonna quote some authorities. | 我要引用一些权威 |
| 1763 | The veteran political journalist Jonathan Chait | 资深政治记者乔纳森·柴特 |
| 1764 | covered politics for decades, called Trump, quote, | 报道了几十年的政治, 特朗普,引用 |
| 1765 | the most pure conservative president ever. | 有史以来最纯粹的保守派总统 |
| 1766 | The conservative movement's willingness | 保守运动的意愿 |
| 1767 | to embrace Trump is not an accident, | 拥抱特朗普不是偶然 |
| 1768 | and you saw all my data on that. | 你看到我所有的数据了 |
| 1769 | The traits that endeared him to the movement | 他对运动的特质 |
| 1770 | have clear historical antecedents. | 有着明确的历史先例。 |
| 1771 | He follows directly in the path | 他直接走在路边 |
| 1772 | of other right-wing heroes in American history, | 美国历史上其他右翼英雄, |
| 1773 | Charles Coughlin, Joseph McCarthy, Rush Limbaugh. | 查尔斯·考夫林,约瑟夫·麦卡锡,拉什·林鲍. |
| 1774 | Thus, Trump's base within the party | 因此,川普在党内的基础 |
| 1775 | lies squarely within its rights. | 完全属于它的权利。 |
| 1776 | And Thea Butler, it's the last thing I'm gonna say, | 还有西娅·巴特勒 这是我最后要说的 |
| 1777 | chair of the religious studies department | 宗教研究系主任 |
| 1778 | at the University of Pennsylvania agrees, quote, | 宾夕法尼亚大学同意 引用 |
| 1779 | Trump is not an aberration, unquote. | 特朗普不是反常,不引证. |
| 1780 | Rather, the eventual end of all evangelical political action, | 相反,所有福音派政治行动的最终结束, |
| 1781 | electing a white male candidate | 选举一名白人男性候选人 |
| 1782 | who reinforces biblical sexual and gender norms | * 强化圣经中的性规范和性别规范 |
| 1783 | is suspicious about immigrants in Islam, | 怀疑移民在伊斯兰教, |
| 1784 | and most importantly, believes in white America. | 最重要的是,相信美国白人 |
| 1785 | Thank you, I rest my case. | 谢谢,我结束我的情况。 |
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