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【牛津辩论】以色列从未真正想要过『和平』?

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0:06Thank you all.谢谢大家
0:09I一、导 言
0:09Stand here tonight as the first Palestinian president of this house今晚站在这里 作为第一位巴勒斯坦总统
0:14And I want to be honest with you about how that feels我想跟你说实话 关于那种感觉
0:18I was elected at a time when my own family in Gaza were and are being subjected to a genocide我当选时,我本人在加沙的家庭过去和现在都遭到种族灭绝
0:25So I stand before you in fancy dress at a podium with a microphone in front of an audience我穿着漂亮的衣服站在你面前 坐在讲台上 观众面前拿着麦克风
0:29And I feel an immense and uncomfortable guilt我感到巨大的内疚
0:33Because I know the only reason I have the opportunities my cousins do not is an accident因为我知道只有我表妹们没有机会 才会有意外
0:38I was born in London.我出生在伦敦
0:39I have a piece of paper that says I'm British我有张纸上写着我是英国人
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1Thank you all.谢谢大家
2I一、导 言
3Stand here tonight as the first Palestinian president of this house今晚站在这里 作为第一位巴勒斯坦总统
4And I want to be honest with you about how that feels我想跟你说实话 关于那种感觉
5I was elected at a time when my own family in Gaza were and are being subjected to a genocide我当选时,我本人在加沙的家庭过去和现在都遭到种族灭绝
6So I stand before you in fancy dress at a podium with a microphone in front of an audience我穿着漂亮的衣服站在你面前 坐在讲台上 观众面前拿着麦克风
7And I feel an immense and uncomfortable guilt我感到巨大的内疚
8Because I know the only reason I have the opportunities my cousins do not is an accident因为我知道只有我表妹们没有机会 才会有意外
9I was born in London.我出生在伦敦
10I have a piece of paper that says I'm British我有张纸上写着我是英国人
11And so when I thought about what the debates I wanted to hold on the topic of the Palestinian struggle should be I因此,当我想到我想就巴勒斯坦斗争主题举行什么辩论时,我应该是。
12Do not want to ask whether the killing should stop the answer is obvious不要问杀人是否应该停止 答案很明显
13I do not want to debate whether Palestinians deserve a state that answer is obvious, too我不想辩论巴勒斯坦人是否应该有一个答案显而易见的国家。
14I wanted to ask the question that underpins all the others the one that explains why after 78我想问一个问题 支撑着所有其他人 一个解释为什么78后
15Years and a dozen so-called peace deals my family are still under rubble这么多年的所谓和约 我的家人还在一片废墟中
16Now let me set the ground because this whole debate does rest on a single word现在让我来打下基础,因为这场辩论 都只停留在一句话上
17The motion does not say Israel never signed anything.该动议没有说以色列从未签署过任何文件。
18It does not say Israel never talked about peace.它没有说以色列从未谈论过和平。
19It says Israel never truly它说以色列从来没有真正
20Wanted it.想要这个
21So here is the test.这就是测试
22I'm asking this house to hold every speaker to tonight a我要求这所房子让今晚的演讲者
23Genuine desire for peace is not measured by handshakes in the White House lawn真正的和平愿望不是通过白宫草坪上的握手来衡量的
24It is not measured by speeches by ceremonies or by offers made for the cameras.它不是以仪式发言或为摄像机提出的提议来衡量的。
25It is measured by one thing是用一件事来衡量的
26Does your conduct on the ground make a Palestinian state a state of existence where Palestinians are treated with dignity and equal rights?你在当地的行为是否使巴勒斯坦国成为一个巴勒斯坦人受到尊严和平等权利待遇的国家?
27more possible or less更可能或更少
28Because words are cheap因为文字很便宜
29settlements and the blood on the ground are not and定居点和地面上的鲜血不是
30Never will be and when I say Israel, I do not mean only its government永远也不会,当我说以色列时, 我不是仅仅指它的政府
31I mean the political project the institutions and the public attitudes that produce我的意思是政治项目 机构和公众的态度产生
32Those governments and keep returning them to power because the government is not an accident.那些政府 并不断恢复他们的权力 因为政府不是偶然的。
33It is a mirror这是镜子
34But first it falls upon me to introduce the speakers of tonight's debate但首先我要介绍今晚辩论的发言者
35Speaking first is Jonathan bin Mahm who is my chief operations officer先是乔纳森·本·马赫姆 他是我的首席行动官
36You know son and I have been working very hard together for the last eight weeks我和儿子过去八个星期一直很努力地工作
37He has been holding me up far more than most people are and I'm pretty sure he's quite tired of me他一直抱着我 比大多数人都多 我敢肯定他很厌倦我
38But he is honestly one of the hardest working people I have ever met and it has been such a pleasure to work alongside him但他是我见过最难工作的人之一 很高兴和他一起工作
39both for this debate and for this term next is本次辩论和下届辩论
40You know 12th an Israeli political theorist author and former politician12号是以色列政治理论家和前政治家
41She served as a member of the Knesset Israel's Parliament from 2010 to 20132010年至2013年担任以色列议会议员.
42Speaking before her is hand Mazik an Israeli writer speaker and digital activist and a senior fellow at the Tel Aviv Institute在她面前发言的是手马齐克(Mazik),他是以色列作家和数字活动家,也是特拉维夫研究所的一名高级研究员。
43Emily Schrader an艾米丽·施拉德
44American Israeli journalist activist and commentator based in Tel Aviv who writes for the Jerusalem Post and Avi Meyer an Israeli American journalist and为《耶路撒冷邮报》撰稿的美国以色列记者活动家和评论员,
45Communications professional he is the media past editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post and in 2025 he launched the Jerusalem Journal他是《耶路撒冷邮报》的媒体前任主编 2025年他创办了《耶路撒冷日报》
46Miss chair these are your speakers and they are in the pursuit of free speech most welcome椅子小姐,这是您的演讲者, 他们追求言论自由最受欢迎。
47Opposition will likely tonight's point you to all the times Israel did want peace and the Palestinians rejected反对派可能今晚会指向你们 所有以色列想要和平和巴勒斯坦人拒绝的时代
48Yes, we said no to the partition in 1937 in 1947是的,我们在1937年拒绝1947年的分治
49But only because we were two-thirds of the people owned the land and were asked to hand most of it away in one case只不过因为我们是三分之二的人 拥有土地, 并且被要求交出 大部分土地在一个案件中
50to be expelled outright被彻底驱逐
51Rejecting your own dispossession is not rejecting peace拒绝自己的剥夺 并不是拒绝和平
52So here is what they will leave out that the rejection in this conflict has a direction and it does not point at us因此,这里是他们要留下的, 在这个冲突中的拒绝有一个方向, 它没有指向我们
53The Oslo was killed deliberately that facts on the ground means building on stolen land奥斯陆被蓄意杀害 地面的事实意味着在偷来的土地上建设
54Planting hundreds of illegal settlements that decimate any potential for a two-state solution and then shrugging at the negotiations table规划成百上千个非法定居点,使两国解决方案失去任何潜力,然后在谈判桌上沉溺
55And that this was never one rogue government而这绝不是一个流氓政府
56But a national project of expansion但国家扩张计划
57Written into Israel from its founding text to its cabinet today从建国文本写到今天的内阁
58Let me deal first with the lie at the very center of this debate the claim that Israel always wanted peace and the Palestinians were我首先要谈谈本次辩论的中心的谎言,即以色列一直希望和平,而巴勒斯坦人却在撒谎。
59the ones to refuse it那些拒绝的人
60That is history turned upside down as a matter of record beginning in the early 1970s the Palestinian National Movement debated and then chose从1970年代初期开始,巴勒斯坦民族运动开始辩论,然后选择了
61compromise in 1976 the PLO supported a UN Security Council resolution calling for a two-state settlement on the1976年巴解组织在妥协中支持联合国安全理事会的一项决议,其中呼吁两国解决
621967 borders the Palestinians accepted it1967年 巴勒斯坦人接受边界
63Israel rejected it and the resolution failed only because the United States vetoed it in以色列拒绝该决议,该决议未能通过,只是因为美国否决了该决议。
641971 President Sadat of Egypt offered Israel a full peace treaty in exchange for withdrawal from occupied territory1971年 埃及总统萨达特向以色列提出全面和平条约以换取从被占领土撤出
65Israel rejected that too choosing in the words of the historical record expansion over security以色列拒绝用历史记录中的扩大而不是安全的话来说。
66clearing Palestinian farmers off their land in Sinai to build an all-Jewish city and in 1988清除巴勒斯坦农民离开他们在西奈的土地,建造一个全犹太城市,1988年
67When the PLO formally accepted the two-state consensus Israel's response under Paris and Shamir was a flat declaration当巴解组织正式接受两国共识时,以色列在巴黎下的回应,沙米尔是一份平坦的宣言.
68There can be no and I quote additional Palestinian states between Jordan and the sea and quote没有,我引用约旦和海洋之间其他巴勒斯坦国的话
69And what about Oslo Oslo was never a peace agreement?奥斯陆从来就不是和平协定?
70It was an interim agreement and it contained no requirement for Israel to stop building settlements none这是一份临时协定,其中没有要求以色列停止建造定居点的规定。
71So in the very dedicated decade dedicated to peace the settler population in the West Bank grew from around因此,在致力于和平的十年中,西岸的定居者人口从1990年代开始增加。
72110,000 to nearly11万到将近
73200,000 and the single highest year of settlement construction was the year 2000 itself200 000美元,建造定居点的最高年份是2000年。
74The final year of the Clinton Peace effort under Prime Minister Barack巴拉克总理领导的克林顿和平努力的最后一年
75But you do not have to take my word for why Oslo collapsed take Benjamin Netanyahu's in但你不必相信我为什么奥斯陆倒塌了 把本雅明·内塔尼亚胡带进来
762001 out of office believing the cameras were off2001年在办公室外相信摄像机被关闭
77Benjamin Netanyahu's sat in the settlement of off-run explained exactly what he had done on Oslo本雅明·内塔尼亚胡在离乡背井的定居中 解释了他在奥斯陆所做的一切
78He said and I quote I gave my own interpretation to the agreements in such a way that will allow me to stop the race back他说,我引用我本人对协议的解释 以这样的方式 让我停止比赛
79To the 1967 borders how he found a loophole1967年的边界 他是如何找到漏洞的
80Nobody said and I quote what defined military zones were he boasted as far as I'm concerned the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military没有人说,我引用了定义的军区。 。 。
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82Why does this matter because at that moment I actually stopped the also accords and quote he said it himself这有什么关系,因为那一刻 我实际上停止了协议 并引用他自己说
83He did not just doubt the peace process.他不仅怀疑和平进程。
84He killed it deliberately and he was proud of it他故意杀了它,很骄傲
85And here is the strategy at the heart of this motion the idea of putting facts on the ground这是这个运动的核心策略 就是把事实放在地面上
86This is how Israel has played the game for 60 years这就是以色列60年来玩游戏的方式
87You create an irreversible reality brick by brick settlement by settlements and then you sit at the negotiating table and say with a shrug你造出一个不可逆的现实 砖块定居点,然后你坐到谈判桌边 高声说
88Well, what can we do?我们该怎么办?
89They're already here.他们已经到了
90We can't move them now我们现在不能动他们
91You manufacture the obstacle and then you plead helplessness in the face of the obstacle that you built and please understand this你制造障碍物,然后面对障碍物 说无助,请理解这一点
92These facts on the ground are not the work of rogue zealots现场的这些事实不是流氓狂热分子的功劳
93They are illegal under international law every single one of them in根据国际法,它们都是非法的。
942004 all 15 judges of the International Court of Justice including the American judge ruled the settlements illegal and yet they have been built2004年 国际法院所有15名法官,包括美国法官,都裁定定居点非法,但已经建造。
95funded subsidized and protected by the Israeli state itself以色列国家本身提供补贴和保护
96Providing incentives and cheap housing to draw citizens onto occupied land提供奖励和廉价住房,吸引公民进入被占领土
97The settler population has grown from around twenty two hundred and fifty thousand Oslo to over seven hundred thousand today定居者人口从大约25万奥斯陆增加到今天的70万以上。
98That has killed any potential of a two-state solution这已经使两国解决方案失去任何潜力
99Now, let me refute the argument the opposition needs most and I presume they're going to present现在,让我反驳一下反对派最需要的论点 我想他们会提出
100The Palestinians only understand violence and that's why no real peace can be pursued巴勒斯坦人只理解暴力,这就是为什么不能寻求真正的和平。
101That is false and historical record shows it in 1936这是虚假的,历史记录显示它在1936年
102Palestinians launched what was then the longest general strike in recorded history non-violent civil resistance against dispossession巴勒斯坦人发动了史上最长的总罢工,
103We have gone again and again to the institutions of the world the United Nations我们一次又一次地来到世界各个机构——联合国。
104To the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court.致国际法院和国际刑事法院。
105We have built boycott movements and human rights motions我们建立了抵制运动和人权运动
106When Palestinians do choose the peaceful path当巴勒斯坦人选择和平之路时
107Israel undermines it in October 2021 Israel's defense minister declared six respected Palestinian civil society organizations to be quote terrorist2021年10月以色列国防部长宣布六个受尊重的巴勒斯坦民间社会组织为恐怖分子
108Organizations al-haq adameer defense for children international Palestine and others groups that did nothing but document abuses为国际巴勒斯坦儿童辩护的组织和其他只做记录虐待的团体
109The evidence nine EU states examined the claims and rejected them a leaked CIA assessment could not find anything to support that label证据 9个欧盟国家审查了这些说法,拒绝了这些说法 中央情报局的一次泄露评估 找不到任何证据支持这个标签
110That is what happens to peaceful accountability.这就是和平问责制的后果。
111And now why does that matter so much?为什么这很重要?
112I mean you can listen to Josh Paul the US State Department official who resigned over this very matter我的意思是,你可以听乔什保罗 美国国务院的官员 谁辞职这件事
113It was a charity a defense for children international brought to the State Department a credible allegation of the rape of a 13 year old这是为国际儿童辩护的慈善机构 向国务院提出了关于强奸13岁孩子的可信指控
114Palestinian boy in an Israeli prison.在以色列监狱的巴勒斯坦男孩。
115They investigated they believed it.他们调查了他们相信的
116They raised it with Israel and in Paul's words他们用保罗的话 和以色列一起提起来
117Quote, you know what happened the next day the IDF went into the DC IP offices and removed all their computers and declared them a terrorist引用,你知道第二天发生了什么 以色列国防军进入DCIP办公室 拿走了他们的电脑 宣布他们是恐怖分子
118Entity so when they say why don't the Palestinians try peace?当他们说为什么巴勒斯坦人不尝试和平时,实体就是如此?
119The answer is we did and they outlawed it答案是,我们做到了, 他们宣布它违法
120They raided it and called it terror他们突袭并称它为恐怖
121They have closed the violent door and the peaceful door and then blamed us for the rooms他们把暴力的门和和平的门都关了 然后把房间怪到我们头上
122We are trapped in but beyond the supposed peace agreements the settlements and the quashing of peaceful resistance我们被困在但超出了所谓的和平协议 定居点 以及和平抵抗
123It isn't the opinions on the ground when it comes不是地面上的意见
124It is the opinions on the ground that matter when it comes to truly wanting peace当真正希望和平时,正是当地的意见才是重要的。
125And now when it comes to politicians, for example, the current finance minister以现任财政部长为例
126Bezel Smotrich stands at a podium and declares quote.贝泽尔·斯莫特里希站在讲台上宣布引言。
127There is no such thing as a Palestinian people没有像巴勒斯坦人民这样的东西
128Netanyahu in September 2025 declared flatly there will be no Palestinian state内塔尼亚胡在2025年9月宣布,将不存在巴勒斯坦国
129You cannot make peace with the people you insist do not exist你无法与你坚持的人和好 不存在
130But do not let them tell you that this is only the politicians in Israeli governments as of June 2025 only但不要让他们告诉你,这只是2025年6月 以色列政府的政治人物
13121% of Israelis believed peaceful coexistence with the Palestinian state is even possible around four and five Israeli Jews oppose a21%的以色列人认为,与巴勒斯坦国的和平共处甚至有可能在4人左右,5名以色列犹太人反对
132Palestinian state巴勒斯坦国
133The government is not betraying its people on this question.政府在这个问题上没有背叛人民.
134It is representing them.它代表着他们。
135That is the mirror那是镜子
136This rejection is not an accident of leadership and we have seen what that consensus produces when the talking finally stops这种拒绝并不是领导权的偶然,我们看到,当谈判最终停止时,共识产生了什么结果。
137since October 2023 over从2023年10月结束
13873,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza a figure of the Israeli military itself has privately confirmed as accurate73 000名巴勒斯坦人在加沙被杀,这是以色列军方自己私下证实的准确数字。
139Among them around 20,000 children even under the quote ceasefire其中有大约20 000名儿童,甚至连停火协议都适用
140Which has been violated over 3,000 times by the way has led to the killing of over a thousand Palestinians including3 000多次遭到侵犯,导致1 000多名巴勒斯坦人被杀害,其中包括:
141182 children182名儿童
142Despite that Monday waste notes that there has been no documented deliberate attack on Israeli soldiers inside Gaza since that truce took hold尽管如此,星期一的废物指出,自停火生效以来,加沙境内没有发生有记录的蓄意袭击以色列士兵的事件。
143Members of this house.此院众.
144The pattern has never changed.模式从未改变。
145We said yes in the 70s.我们在70年代就答应了
146They said no we accepted in 1988他们说不,我们在1988年接受
147They refused we signed at Oslo and their own prime minister boasted that he had gutted it from the inside他们拒绝我们在奥斯陆签字,他们自己的总理吹嘘,他从里面挖了出来。
148We resisted peacefully and they outlawed it and all the while the concrete never stops pouring the settlements never stops spreading我们和平抵抗,他们宣布它为非法,而混凝土从不停止注入定居点,从不停止扩散。
149Building the facts on the ground that they now use as their excuse以他们现在作为借口的实地事实为依据
150That is a ceasefire这是停火
151used as a cover was Israel quietly expanded the ground it occupies from 53 percent of Gaza to 60 and以色列悄悄地把占领的加沙53%的土地扩大至60个,作为掩护。
152ordered its army onwards to 70 a命令军队从70a开始
153State that truly wants peace does not sign a truce with one hand and redraw the map with the other真正希望和平的国家不会一边签署停战协议,一边重新绘制地图。
154When you promise to stop killing and then kill a thousand more the promise was never the point the map was当你承诺停止杀戮,然后再杀死一千人... ...承诺永远不是地图的重心
155Because make no mistake members of the house.因为没有错 成员的房子。
156This is and has always been an expansionist state这过去和现在都是扩张主义国家
157线索见于1898年的创刊文 Theodore Herzl
158The father of political Zionism wrote in his own diary that the borders of the Jewish homeland should run quote from the brook of Egypt政治犹太复国主义之父在自己的日记中写道,犹太家园的边界应该从埃及的溪流中引用
159to the Euphrates end quote到幼发拉底语尾引号
160Japtinsky the forefather of the very party that governs Israel today dreamed of a state swallowing Gaza the West Bank and Jordan whole今天统治以色列的一方的先辈杰斯汀斯基梦想着一个吞没加沙、西岸和整个约旦的国家。
161For a century they called this idea fringe在一个世纪里 他们称这个想法为边缘
162But listen to them now in August last year the Prime Minister of Israel sat for an interview and declared himself on a quote但现在听他们 在去年8月,以色列总理 坐在采访 并宣布自己在引文
163historic and历史和
164Spiritual mission very attached in his words to the greater精神使命 在他的言语中非常贴近
165Israel vision a map that not only swallows my homeland以色列设想的地图不仅吞噬了我的家园
166But parts of Jordan and Egypt too and in January 2025 this was no longer a settlers dream但约旦和埃及的部分地区 2025年1月 这不再是定居者的梦想
167It was government policy a state that truly wanted peace does not draw its borders on the homes of six other nations政府的政策是,真正希望和平的国家不会以其他六个国家的家园为边界。
168You cannot want both peace and denial to the Euphrates one of those desires is a lie你不能要求和平和否认幼发拉底河 其中一个愿望是谎言
169And I think we know which is so no they never wanted peace我想我们知道他们从不想要和平
170They never they wanted the land and they wanted us the people of that land to disappear quietly enough that the world would look away他们从不想要土地 他们希望我们 这片土地的人民悄悄消失
171But we have not disappeared and we have not forgotten nor will we and in the words of my grandfather但我们没有消失,我们没有忘记,也不会忘记,用我祖父的话来说
172No had Munir a Reyes whose quote can be seen at the back of the term card没有Munir的雷耶斯,他的引文可以从名词卡后面看到
173But revolution my child is the inheritance of generations但革命 我的孩子是世代的遗产
174We have seen what has happened in Palestine for the last couple decades almost a century我们看到过去几十年巴勒斯坦发生的事情,近一个世纪
175We know that it is not right我们知道这是不对的
176We know that there is no intention to make it right not by Israel not by the United States not by the very我们知道,以色列、美国、以色列、美国、以色列、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美国、美
177Liberal democracies that we believe hold the values that should protect people like the Palestinian people我们认为拥有应保护巴勒斯坦人民的价值观的自由民主
178So please members of this house vote tonight in proposition.所以请本院成员今晚投票
179Thank you.谢谢
180I一、导 言
181Thank the president.谢谢总统。
182I thank the president for that speech and I now hand the chair back to the president感谢总统的演讲 我现在把椅子交给总统
183首先谈论反对的是Yonatan bin Menachem Brazenose学院。
184Ladies and gentlemen members guests madam president tonight女士们,先生们,今晚的客人,总统夫人
185Opposing a motion which I confess rather confuses me when I agreed to give the speech反对我认罪的动议 让我很困惑 当我同意发表演讲
186It seemed quite simple find one single case of Israel wanting peace of Palestine似乎很容易找到一个以色列想要巴勒斯坦和平的例子
187And I can assure you there are many I've done the job with nine and a half minutes left to my time allowance我可以向你保证,有很多我的工作 剩下的9分钟半的时间,我的时间津贴。
188That would be too easy.那太简单了
189It has to be more to it一定要多一点
190Given the blurb that was written for this debate and the picture of Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat shaking hands鉴于为本次辩论所写的模糊不清以及伊扎克·拉宾和亚西尔·阿拉法特握手的画面
191That sits next to it in the term card在名词卡里就坐在旁边
192Imagine that most of this discussion tonight was intended to be about the historic ailing a peace process between Israel and the Palestinians想象一下今晚的大部分讨论 都是为了解决以色列与巴勒斯坦人之间 和平进程的历史性问题
193I think the way this debate was envisaged going is an exercise and finger-pointing我认为这次辩论的进行方式是练习和指点
194Both side speakers say there's the other lot who are stalling the peace negotiations in a room full of Oxford students两边的演讲者都说 还有其他人 将和平谈判拖延在 牛津大学学生的房间里
195If it becomes a he shed he said she said situation between a group of Palestinians and group of Israelis他说,如果这变成了他出逃,她说,一群巴勒斯坦人和一群以色列人之间的情况。
196Then wrongly the Palestinians are always going to win.那么,巴勒斯坦人总是会赢得错误的胜利。
197This would be unpleasant这会很不愉快
198Unproductive and a waste of an evening.毫无成果,浪费了一个晚上。
199I would much rather make this an interesting debate我宁愿让这场辩论有趣
200So I'm going to approach the motion which I'm opposing slightly differently因此,我要去接近 动议,我反对稍有不同
201But first the honor falls on me to introduce the speakers set opposite me但首先,我很荣幸介绍 我对面的演讲者
202The woman you just heard from is our Al Reyes the president.你刚刚听到的那个女人是我们的总统阿尔·雷耶斯
203It's an Edmund Hall这是埃德蒙大厅
204Our wants to go into British politics, but over the course of this term我们想要进入英国政治,但在这个时期
205She's appeared in an extraordinary range of British media outlets她出现在英国媒体中
206It is at the moment unclear whether she intends to become a right-wing grifter or indeed the Green Party spokesperson of foreign affairs目前还不清楚她是否打算成为右翼骗子,还是绿色党外交事务发言人.
207Next we will hear from dr. Khada Kami a physician and author接下来我们会听到博士。 Khada Kami,医生和提交人
208Dr. Kami and I actually have a lot in common卡米医生和我其实有很多共同点
209We both moved as small children to the same suburb of North London and indeed she even went to the same bougie girls grammar school我们小的时候都搬到了北伦敦的郊区 她甚至上过同样的布吉女子文法学校
210My little sister我的小妹妹,我的宝贝妹妹
211Despite this the primary difference between us is that I've never stood in front of a crowd and said the words尽管如此,我们之间的主要区别是 我从来没有站在人群面前 说那些话
212I want to pay tribute to Hamas without that resistance.我要向没有这种抵抗的哈马斯致敬。
213It would never be here at all它永远不会在这里
214Actually, I suppose I have now but nonetheless I'd look forward to hearing her thoughts in the peace process其实,我想我现在已经知道了,不过我还是希望听到她在和平进程中的想法。
215After this Sami Hamdi a journalist who was detained in San Francisco Airport last year去年在旧金山机场被拘留的一位记者 Sami Hamdi
216He says for his support of the Palestinian cause他说他支持巴勒斯坦事业
217Many people have framed his detention as a freedom of expression issue and I agree许多人将他的拘留定为言论自由问题,我同意
218Everyone should be able to express and these are his words not mine.每个人都应该能够表达,这些是他的话,不是我的。
219They're euphoria at hearing of the October 7th attacks after him听到十月七日袭击他的消息 他们很兴奋
220Professor Ilan Pappé伊兰·帕佩教授
221Professor Pappé is an Israeli writer who holds a political science professorship at the University of ExeterPappé教授是一名以色列作家,在埃克塞特大学担任政治学教授。
222He wrote a well-known book with the ethnic cleansing of Palestine a few years back他写了一本著名的书 写在几年前巴勒斯坦的种族清洗中
223Although it's primarily remembered not for the serious and hotly debated historical issues虽然人们主要记得的不是 严肃和激烈争论的历史问题
224It's discussed but for the peculiar way in which quite a number of paragraphs in the Hebrew edition讨论过 但希伯来语版很多段落的奇特方式
225Disappeared when it was republished in English以英文重新出版时消失
226I'm also someone who's always losing things我也经常失去东西
227But I confess the worst I've lost is a coat and my sets of keys not half a book chapter但我承认我失去的最糟糕的是一件外套 和我的钥匙 不是半个书章
228Finally, we will hear from David Hest最后,我们将听到大卫・赫斯特
229David a journalist who founded and serves as editor-in-chief of Middle East eye大卫是一位记者,他创办并担任中东眼的总编辑
230The most fascinating thing about Middle East eye is not actually its in-depth reporting中东眼界最迷人的东西 其实不是它的深入报道
231But it's funding or rather the total lack of transparency over where it comes from但是,这是资金 或者更确切地说,完全缺乏透明度 它来自哪里
232The current leading theory is the state of Qatar a country which outlaws homosexuality in which six thousand five hundred migrant workers目前的主要理论是卡塔尔国禁止同性恋,有6 500名移徙工人。
233bound by the borderline slavery calafa system受边际奴隶制度约束
234Died constructing stadiums for the World Cup.逝世后为世界杯建造体育场.
235Perhaps this gives some special insight into the human rights abuses也许这可以让大家特别了解 侵犯人权的情况
236He alleged were committed by the state of Israel他声称是以色列国所为
237Madam now before I move on it would be remiss of me to mention the two names the message has and hum D女士,在我开始之前,我应该先提两个名字
238We're calling the called in at the 11th hour to replaced Mustafa Bahuti and the rapper low-key我们11点打电话来代替穆斯塔法・巴胡提和说唱歌手
239Mustafa Bahuti was the runner-up in the most recent recent Palestinian Authority election which took place 20 years ago 21 years ago穆斯塔法·巴胡蒂在20年前举行的最近一届巴勒斯坦权力机构选举中名列前茅。
240Sorry shortly before I was born对不起,在我出生前不久
241Dr. Bahuti dropped out of the debate and instead gave an independent speaker event this afternoon.巴胡蒂博士退出辩论,今天下午又举行了一次独立的演讲活动。
242I have no word for that but cowardice除了胆小,我没什么好说的
243The other speaker was low-key a failed rapper and successful conspiracy theorist.另一位发言者是低调的说唱歌手和成功的阴谋论者。
244I一、导 言
245Confess I'm less upset.坦白说,我很不高兴
246He chickened out given they his reputation for what one might call a他退缩了 因为他们的名声 可以说是
247Monomania an anti-semitic monomania even since otherwise I have to be at dinner with him earlier摩诺玛尼亚是反弥撒的单一狂,否则我早点跟他吃饭
248Madam President these are your speakers and they are most welcome主席女士,这些是您的发言者,非常欢迎。
249Call me a pedantic philosophy student称我为恋童癖哲学学生
250The first thing I want to do is properly address the terms of this motion many speakers tonight will focus on the word truly我要做的第一件事是 正确处理这个动议的条款 许多发言者今晚将专注于这个词
251The suggestion will be that Israel may have asked for peace but did so disingenuously or deceitfully is or deceptively其建议是,以色列可能要求和平,但这样做不诚实或欺骗是或欺骗。
252Madam President has already stopped the ball rolling on this one总统夫人已经阻止了这场比赛
253I'll come back to that because I want to briefly ask what is meant by Israel and Palestine我将回到这一点,因为我想简要地问一下,以色列和巴勒斯坦是什么意思?
254It's one thing to say that Israel is war and peace negotiations right now because war and diplomacy actions which take place between states可以说以色列是战争和和平谈判 因为国家间的战争和外交行动
255But a state cannot desire the Israeli National Anthems Hatikva the hope但国家不能渴望以色列国歌的希望
256But in the lyrics is individual souls that yearn not the state itself但歌词里有个人的灵魂 渴望的不是国家本身
257So what is the condition then for Israel to want something is everyone in the country?那么,以色列想要的东西的条件是什么?
258What about a simple majority or every citizen of sound mind perhaps a two-third supermajority?简单多数或每个心智健全的公民 也许是三分之二的超级多数呢?
259I'd like to say the standard is a general consensus in the country我想说这个标准是全国的普遍共识
260But 11 years ago with the then president of Israel spoke of Israeli society fracturing into four但11年前,当时的以色列总统 谈到以色列社会分裂成四
261disparate tribes of differing religiosity or politics a problem不同宗教或政治的不同部落是一个问题
262Which is unfortunately growing more serious since so I would say to you that unless the proposition speakers do an awful lot of不幸的是,这越来越严重了,因为我要对你们说,除非演讲者做了很多事情。
263Sociological work of the next couple of hours their case will be quite simply incoherent接下来几小时的社会学工作 他们的案件会很不连贯
264Similarly who or what is Palestine in this motion is the self-proclaimed state of Palestine a kleptocracy with no territory同样,在这项动议中,谁或什么是巴勒斯坦是自封的巴勒斯坦国,是一个没有领土的盗窃政权。
265No military and no elections is it Hamas and its allies whom a substantial portion of the Palestinian populace没有军队和选举,哈马斯及其盟友是巴勒斯坦很大一部分人民。
266Population support in the nihilistic and terroristic agenda虚无主义和恐怖主义议程中的人口支助
267Or is it the ordinary Palestinian on the streets writ large each of these options make for a very different debate and还是街上的普通巴勒斯坦人 将所有这些选择 都当作一个非常不同的辩论
268While I'm not sure that Israel truly wants peace with let's say the surviving members the Hamas Politburo on a personal level虽然我不确定以色列真的想要和平... ...让我们说幸存的成员...
269For this debate to function we have to treat Palestine in the broadest possible sense为了使本次辩论能够进行,我们必须从尽可能广泛的意义上对待巴勒斯坦。
270But I note that Palestine has no agency in this debate motion但我注意到,巴勒斯坦在本次辩论动议中没有代理机构。
271It is simply the object with which Israel truly does or does not want peace这仅仅是以色列真正想要或不想要和平的目标。
272We've all read out Edward Said and this motion detects bookcase of the Orient being presented as a homogenous and passive entity我们都读过Edward Said 这个运动检测到了东方人 被呈现为同质和被动实体的书架
273Frankly the way this motion is framed to vote for the proposition老实说,这个动议是用来投票的
274You have to accept the notion that the Palestinian people and their political organizations are incoherent and incapable of action你们必须接受这样的观念,即巴勒斯坦人民及其政治组织不连贯,无法采取行动。
275So with these terms set does Israel truly want peace with Palestine when I was asked this question因此,有了这些条件,当有人问我这个问题时,以色列真的想要与巴勒斯坦和平
276I immediately thought of a man named Hassan Hottari我立刻想到一个叫哈桑·霍塔里的人
277Mr. Hottari is or was I confess I don't know whether he's still alive an霍塔里先生是我承认的 我不知道他是否还活着
278Ordinary enough man a poor Jordanian a Palestinian descent who lives shortly outside the capital city of Amman一个贫穷的约旦人 一个住在首都安曼附近的巴勒斯坦人
279Whose son Said in 2001 strapped a container carrying 2.5 kilograms of2001年,他的儿子Said绑了一个装有2.5公斤汽油的集装箱。
280Explosives and ball bearings to himself before detonating it in the Dolphinarium discotheque in Tel Aviv killing 21 people most of whom were teenage girls在特拉维夫的海豚馆迪斯科舞厅引爆炸药和球轴使21人死亡,其中大多数是少女
281This was a heinous act and it's disgusting that someone could do such a thing what I thought of was Hassan his father's reaction这是令人发指的行为 令人作呕的是 有人能做这样的事
282He held a party at his house to celebrate他在家里开派对庆祝
283With dynamite ship stick shaped ornaments on the trees and toasts to his son's heroic act用炸药船在树上贴上形状的装饰品 敬他儿子的英勇行为
284He proceeded to tell the many new Western news outlets which turned up to interview him他告诉许多新的西方新闻 来采访他
285That he only wished it was he who had blown himself up and killed a classroom full of teenage girls in a night out他只希望是他在晚上 把自己炸飞并杀死了一大堆少女
286Yes, Arafat who at that time was leading peace negotiations with Israel是的,当时领导与以色列和平谈判的阿拉法特
287Publicly condemned the attack even while his Palestinian authority paid and likely still pays the Hottari family the substantial stipend公开谴责这次袭击,而巴勒斯坦当局却支付并可能仍向Hottari家庭支付大笔津贴。
288There's received by every suicide bomber's family每一个自杀炸弹手的家人都收到了
289But yet according to polling conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research that next month但根据巴勒斯坦政策和调查研究中心下个月进行的民调
29073% of the Israeli population continued to support the peace process73%的以色列人口继续支持和平进程
291this behavior on a far larger scale is the backbone of what is known as the second Intifada a在更大范围内的这个行为 是所谓的第二次起义的支柱
292concerted effort by Palestinian militant groups巴勒斯坦军事团体的协调努力
293With the implicit backing of the Palestinian Authority the negotiating force in the peace accords在巴勒斯坦权力机构的暗中支持下,和平协定中的谈判力量
294Which whose failure has been so far blamed in the state of Israel在以色列国被指责失败
295To force the peace process into the ground and drive the Israeli people out of their land in these conditions迫使和平进程进入地面,并在这种情况下将以色列人民赶出其土地
296It doesn't matter whether Israel truly wanted peace or whether we can even tell I think the answer to both of these questions is无论以色列是否真正想要和平,或我们是否可以说,我认为这两个问题的答案是:
297Yes, as I said earlier, I do not want this debate to turn into an exercise and finger-pointing是的,正如我先前说过的,我不希望这次辩论变成一种练习和指点。
298Israel agreed full peace accords with Egypt and Jordan despite both of their unprovoked attacks in 1948 1967 and 1973以色列尽管在1948年、1967年和1973年无端发动了攻击,但仍与埃及和约旦达成了全面的和平协定。
299Even as the Arab League resolved it would have no peace with no negotiation and no recognition of Israel即使阿拉伯联盟解决了这个问题,也没有谈判和承认以色列的和平。
300It continued in its attempts to normalize relations with its neighbors它继续努力实现与邻国关系正常化
301Eventually succeeding in 2020 with Bahrain the UAE and Morocco if them then why not Palestine?最终在2020年与巴林、阿联酋和摩洛哥成功,
302Israel had its Olympic team murdered by Palestinian terrorists and airliners full of its civilians hijacked and threatened with annihilation以色列的奥运队被巴勒斯坦恐怖分子和飞机杀害 全部是平民 并威胁要毁灭
303And a music festival rampaged through and destroyed even evicted nearly 10,000 of its own citizens when it withdrew from Gaza一个音乐节 冲破并摧毁了 几乎一万个自己的公民 在撤离加沙时
304As a concession during the peace process in 2005 to be completely honest作为2005年和平进程期间的让步,完全诚实
305I think there should be some recognition for the fact that even in the dark days when atrocity after atrocity was committed我认为应该承认,即使在暴行发生后的黑暗时期,
306Israeli people and state still showed even a veneer of interest in negotiation以色列人民和国家仍然表现出对谈判的兴趣。
307With the very people who are committing the atrocities against them and one final point和对他们犯下暴行的人在一起 还有最后一点
308Consider the counterfactual考虑反事实
309Suppose Israel never truly wanted peace Palestine.如果以色列从来没有真正想要和平的巴勒斯坦。
310What would that make Israel?那以色列会变成什么?
311What kind of country can exist for nearly 80 years and not even for one instant desire and ends the war which kills its children?什么样的国家可以存在将近80年,甚至不能满足一个瞬间的愿望,结束杀死其儿童的战争?
312and destroys its homes毁灭自己的房屋,
313How can you who will vote for the proposition and good conscience condemn an entire nation of?你怎能投票支持这个主张和良知,
314Men women and children as bloodthirsty warmongers.男人女人和孩子都是嗜血的战友
315What does that make them and more cogently?那又是什么让他们更坚定?
316What does that make you?这让你变成什么?
317Madam president, I beg to oppose this motion总统女士 我恳求您反对这个动议
318I would like to remind all members in the chamber that you are voting with your feet我谨提醒本会议厅所有成员,你正在用脚投票。
319Depending on the side of the door that you walk through that is a vote cast取决于你走进那扇门的侧面 即投了票
320Can I please ask for silence in the chamber?我能请您安静一下吗?
321Can I ask all members that wish to leave to do so promptly voting on the side of the door that they wish to请希望离开的所有成员在他们希望的门边迅速进行表决。
322Walk through can all other members remain seated so we may proceed with the debates能够让所有其他成员都坐下来进行辩论吗?
323Thank you谢谢
324Speaking second on proposition.说第二个关于提议。
325I call upon dr. Gada Kermi我请加达·凯尔米博士发言。
326Thank you very much for that warm reception非常感谢你的热情接待
327before I go into my在我进入我的
328the points I want to make I我想表达的要点
329want to say I want to ask please that我想说,我想问,请
330The comments that I make and my fellow speakers make should be我和我的各位发言者的评论应该是:
331reproduced复制
332uncensored on the union website I工会网站未审查
333Don't want what has happened to不希望发生什么
334Susan I will how are my friend and colleague苏珊,我会的,我的朋友和同事怎么样?
335I don't want that to happen to us and I hope that her speech will be我不想那样发生在我们身上 我希望她的演讲是
336Put up very soon in full and uncensored很快就被彻底禁闭了
337Now I just want to say something about the the the subject of tonight's现在我只想谈谈今晚的主题
338Debate, you know, it's not a debate.辩论,你知道,这不是辩论。
339It's a statement of fact这是事实陈述
340We do not debate that Israel has never been interested in我们不辩论以色列从未感兴趣的
341Making peace with the Palestinians.与巴勒斯坦人建立和平。
342That is a fact这是事实
343So we could all agree on that this evening and we might all have a short evening and go home所以大家可以同意 今晚我们可能会有一个短暂的夜晚 然后回家
344however不过
345We know that Israel is not interested in peace with the Palestinians我们知道,以色列不关心与巴勒斯坦人的和平
346We know that because it has never我们知道,因为它从来没有
347Proposed a peace plan of its own ever in the 78 years of its existence在和平存在的78年里,提出了自己的和平计划
348But on the contrary, we also know that Israel has never但恰恰相反,我们也知道以色列从未
349responded or engaged with the numerous答复或与许多
350peace plans put up by other people其他人提出的和平计划
351Arabs阿拉伯人
352Palestinians and the international community.巴勒斯坦人和国际社会。
353I'm thinking of course of我想当然
354the the landmark地标
355peace proposals that have come and gone和平提案的来去
356Firstly, of course resolution 242 in 1967 which made no difference to Israel第一,当然,1967年第242号决议对以色列没有影响。
357secondly from the Arab side the fahad plan in 1981 and the Arab peace plan in第二,阿拉伯方面提出了1981年的法哈德计划,阿拉伯和平计划
3582002 all ignored by the Israelis and2002年被以色列人和以色列
359Of course we have in Oslo a Palestinian当然,我们在奥斯陆有一个巴勒斯坦人
360proposal建议
361For a process leading towards a peaceful resolution with Israel争取与以色列达成和平解决的进程
362none of these but nine plans at least只有九项计划
363have been adopted accepted or已获接受或
364Or engaged with by Israel.或与以色列交战.
365So that tells you这么说吧
366The story that it's not mysterious说它不是神秘的故事
367Israel is not interested in peace and why isn't it interested in peace?以色列不关心和平,为什么它不关心和平?
368It's obvious.显如来.
369I'll tell you why it would be我告诉你为什么
370Amazing if Israel had been interested in peace with the Palestinians令人惊讶的是,以色列是否对与巴勒斯坦人的和平感兴趣
371After all look what does peace mean?毕竟,看看和平是什么意思?
372It means that Israel will have to stop killing这意味着以色列必须停止杀戮
373Palestinians peace means that Israel will have to stop stealing巴勒斯坦人和平意味着以色列必须停止偷窃
374Palestinian land巴勒斯坦土地
375stealing Palestinian water偷窃巴勒斯坦水
376stealing Palestine's resources偷窃巴勒斯坦的资源
377Israel would have to stop以色列必须停止
378invading other people it would have to stop occupying the towns and villages of Palestine它必须停止占领巴勒斯坦城镇和村庄
379Now if you really put yourself in Israel's shoes现在,如果你真的把自己 在以色列的立场
380Why on earth would you want that?你为什么要这么做?
381You have been set up你已经被陷害了
382The Israeli state was set up on the basis of taking other people's lands以色列国家是在夺取他人土地的基础上建立的
383That's how it came into existence这就是它诞生的原因
384Why would you expect it to suddenly change and become peace loving?为什么你会期望它突然改变 成为热爱和平的人?
385Zionism was predicated from the very beginning on锡安主义是从一开始开始的
386gaining the whole of Palestine on which to establish a Jewish state获得建立犹太国家的全部巴勒斯坦
387None of this is secret all of this is in the public domain这些都不是秘密 所有这一切都属于公有领域
388It's clear to see in the last three years过去三年看得很清楚
389We've seen dramatic evidence to show the truth of the statement that Israel is not我们看到了戏剧性的证据 以证明以色列不是
390Interested in peace all you have to do is consider the genocide你只需要考虑一下种族灭绝
391Still ongoing in Gaza if you consider what is happening on the West Bank如果你考虑到西岸正在发生的情况,加沙仍在进行中
392with the expulsions with the驱逐与驱逐
393collusion between the相互勾结
394700,000 or more70万或以上
395Brutal psychopathic settlers who attack Palestinians with the aid of the Israeli army在以色列军队协助下袭击巴勒斯坦人的野蛮精神病定居者
396You don't need to be你不需要这样
397It is not rocket science to understand that what they're trying to do both with the genocide in Gaza and the他们试图对加沙的种族灭绝 和战争做点什么不是火箭科学
398Expulsions on the West Bank is to empty the land of its native population.西岸的驱逐是为了腾空其原住民的土地.
399That's what they want to do这就是他们想做的
400so这样
401When we look at that当我们看着那个
402We have to ask ourselves我们必须问自己
403something really very hard questions一些非常困难的问题
404does a state状态
405Like Israel one that was set up就像以色列那样
406violently by theft暴力盗窃
407and usurpation and篡夺财产
408Dispossession of the native population of Palestine does such a state剥夺巴勒斯坦本土人口的做法
409merit成绩
410Being a member of the United Nations作为联合国会员国
411These are questions we have to ask in这些都是我们要问的问题
4121949 when the UN voted to admit1949年联合国投票承认
413Israel as a member state it was a state at the time and still is with no borders作为成员国,以色列当时是一个国家,仍然没有边界。
414with no fixed borders无固定边界
415It was not a peace-loving state as it stated in the UN Charter它不是《联合国宪章》中所说的热爱和平的国家。
416That's what qualifies you for you and membership.这就是你和会员的资格
417You have to be peace-loving.你要热爱和平
418It was not peace-loving它不爱好和平
419it's violent and这是暴力,
420it had been born in violence and出生于暴力时期,
421One of the conditions of条件之一
422UN membership was the acceptance of联合国会员国是接受
423UN resolutions联合国决议
424Particularly those that relate to the Palestinian refugees特别是有关巴勒斯坦难民的
425Who had been expelled by the creation of Israel?是谁因以色列建立而被驱逐?
426Those were the conditions of membership not one of these applies to Israel这些是成员资格的条件,其中之一不适用于以色列。
427so the question we have to ask ourselves is所以,我们必须问自己:
428What is going on here is is this is this state?这到底是怎么回事,这是这个州?
429Which is belligerent which is expansionist which has ideas of supremacy这是好战的,是扩张主义的 有至高无上的思想
430Which by the way are not confined to its leadership.顺便说一句,它并不局限于领导。
431It's its people是他们的人
432Also believe they are supremacist.还相信他们是至高无上的
433They have special rights over others and他们拥有对他人的特殊权利,
434committed to domination承诺实行统治
435In the region and and as far as far a field as they can在本地区和最远的地方
436should such a state如果出现这种情况
437not be没有
438reconsidered is重新考虑
439This a state we really want我们真正想要的状态
440amongst the community of nations国际大家庭
441You see I would argue你看,我会争论
442that this whole history of这整个历史
443violence of暴力行动
444dispossession of剥夺
445denial of rights to other people剥夺他人权利
446the expansion the genocide种族灭绝的扩大
447the brutality残酷无情
448the sadism I don't have to tell people here the stories of我不必告诉这里的人
449Torture that occur in酷刑发生在
450Israeli prisons the rapes that take place in Israeli prisons以色列监狱中发生的强奸事件
451Should a state that practices all this如果一个声明 实践这一切
452Still be considered as a member of the community of nations.仍然被视为国际社会的一员。
453I think that's a question我想这是个问题
454We all have to ask ourselves我们都得问自己
455Personally, I'm very clear on the answer.个人而言,我很清楚答案。
456I don't think a state like this我不认为这样的州
457Which is devoted to violence and domination专注于暴力和统治
458Should be a state which we can应该是一个我们可以
459regard as other statesA. 与其他国家的关系
460Nor should it be in the Middle East region my region nor should it be in my homeland也不应该在中东地区 我所在的地区也不应该在我的家园
461I want to wrap up because I think you've got the main points我想总结一下,因为我认为你有要点
462We don't need to go into details of the Oslo the Oslo agreement that this and that and those second我们不需要详谈奥斯陆协定 这份和第二份
463It's the principles that matter here.原则在这里很重要。
464You need to go back to the basics你得回到基础
465Once you understand the basics the rest of details they follow一旦你了解了基本情况 其他细节就会被跟踪
466So my own answer to the questions I've raised is very very clear in my mind所以,我本人对我提出的问题的回答 在我心里非常清楚
467I think the time has come for the state of Israel to be我认为现在是以色列国
468expelled from the United Nations and被逐出联合国
469I think我觉得
470that the
471states状态
472Mainly the West and the United States主要是西部和美国
473That support and nurture and have enabled Israel to survive这种支持和培育使以色列得以生存
474Must be held to account.一定要负责
475I move that you support the motion我提议你支持这个动议
476I would like to remind all members that they are voting with their feet我谨提醒所有成员,他们正在用脚表决。
477Depending on the side of the door that you walk through that is a vote cast取决于你走进那扇门的侧面 即投了票
478Please do let the tellers know if you plan on reentering the chamber upon which your vote will not be counted请让监票人知道,如果你计划重新进入 将不计票的会议厅
479Thank you very much for that speech谢谢你的演讲
480我现在请第二位反对者Emily Schrader发言。
481All right好吧,我们走
482I want to begin by saying that I won't be taking any points of information during my speech if I do have time首先我想说的是,如果我有时间的话,在演讲期间我不会听任何信息
483I'm happy to answer any additional after the fact事后我很乐意再回答
484Ladies and gentlemen tonight's motion is not just merely wrong.女士们先生们 今晚的动议不仅仅是错误的
485It's intellectually unserious这在智力上是不严重的
486This house believes that Israel never truly wanted peace with Palestine never本院认为,以色列从未真正希望与巴勒斯坦和平
487That single word should immediately alarm anyone who values historical accuracy nuance or basic intellectual honesty这个单词应该立即提醒任何重视历史精确度或基本知识诚实的人
488Because never is not a casual word.因为永远不是随便的词
489It's absolute total and maximalist to vote for this motion投票支持这个动议是绝对的 也是最高的
490You're not being asked to believe that Israel sometimes undermine peace or that Israel made mistakes你没有被要求相信 以色列有时破坏和平 或者以色列犯了错误
491You're not even being asked to believe that Israel bears major responsibility for the conflict你甚至没有被要求相信 以色列对冲突负有重大的责任
492No, you're being asked to believe that across nearly 80 years of modern history across every Israeli government negotiation不,有人要求你相信 在近80年的现代历史中, 每一个以色列政府的谈判
493territorial concession treaty withdrawal every diplomatic initiative Israel as a state never以色列作为一个国家从不撤回任何外交倡议
494Really wanted peace not once真的希望和平不再出现
495Clearly such a claim does not stand under the weight of history from the modern states inception Israel accepted the显然,这种主张并不受到现代国家创立以来的历史影响。
4961947 UN partition plan despite receiving non-arable land and almost no resources1947年 联合国分治计划,尽管收到不可转让土地,而且几乎没有资源
497The Arab leadership rejected it and launched a war instead in 1993阿拉伯领导人拒绝,于1993年发动战争
4981995 Israel signed the Oslo Accords and received suicide bombers in the aftermath at Camp David in 2000 Israel offered 94 to 961995年 以色列签署了《奥斯陆协定》,并于2000年在戴维营接待了自杀炸弹手。
499percent of the West Bank 100 percent of Gaza and a divided Jerusalem in100%的加沙和分裂的耶路撒冷
5002008 Prime Minister Olmert made another proposal for 94 percent of the West Bank plus an additional2008年奥尔默特总理又提议增加94%的西岸土地,并增加
5015.8 percent more territory in the form of land swaps以土地交换形式增加5.8%的领土
502Palestinian leadership said no to both offers in巴勒斯坦领导人表示不接受上述两项提议。
5032005 Israel withdrew every soldier and civilian from Gaza in an effort for peace the response2005年 以色列从加沙撤出所有士兵和平民,以争取和平
504Gazans elected Hamas and Israel received over加沙人选举哈马斯和以色列
50525,000 missiles over the next two decades plus multiple wars and the October 7th massacre在接下来的二十年里,有25 000枚导弹 加上多次战争和10月7日的大屠杀
506The problem with this motion however goes significantly deeper.然而,这项动议的问题却更为严重。
507What exactly is meant by peace?和平到底意味着什么?
508Peace is not simply the absence of war it requires two peoples accepting each other's right to self-determination and national existence和平不仅仅是没有战争,它要求两个民族接受彼此的自决权和民族生存权。
509For much of this conflict major Palestinian factions and surrounding Arab states have and still do reject Jewish在这场冲突中,巴勒斯坦主要派别和周边阿拉伯国家过去和现在仍然拒绝犹太人。
510Self-determination outright in fact several if not all of our speakers for the proposition today are on record rejecting even the idea of a two-state事实上,今天提出这个主张的几位甚至所有发言者都公开拒绝两国并存的想法。
511Solution and yet we as Israelis are being asked to show that we really wanted peace on解决办法,然而我们以色列人被要求表明,我们确实希望和平。
512Question of the partition plan the secretary-general of the Arab League at the time as impasse warned that the当时阿拉伯联盟秘书长在僵局中警告说,
513Establishment of a Jewish state would lead to what he called a war of extermination and momentous massacre of the Jews建立一个犹太国家将会导致他所说的灭绝战争和对犹太人的重大屠杀
514Other Arab leaders and factions openly spoke about driving the Jews into the sea其他阿拉伯领导人和派别公开谈论将犹太人赶入大海
515one of them being Haj Amin al-Husseini the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who stated and I quote其中一人是耶路撒冷大穆夫提·哈吉·阿明·侯赛因尼,他表示,我引述
516Arabs rise as one and fight for your sacred rights kill the Jews wherever you find them阿拉伯人团结起来,为你们神圣的权利而战 无论你们发现犹太人在哪里,他们都会被杀
517This pleases God history and religion this was never a dispute over borders rather这让上帝喜悦 历史和宗教 这绝不是边界纠纷
518It was a rejection of Jewish sovereignty itself today这是对犹太人主权的否定
519We routinely hear slogans from the Palestinian movement globally such as from the river to the sea我们经常听到巴勒斯坦全球运动的口号,例如从河流到海洋的口号。
520Palestine will be free something heard here at Oxford on the streets last night a phrase which by巴勒斯坦将免费的东西 在牛津在这里听到 在街头昨晚的一句话,
521Definition involves replacing Israel entirely with a Palestinian state stretching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea定义涉及用一个从约旦河到地中海的巴勒斯坦国完全取代以色列。
522At protests around the world including outside Jewish institutions and synagogues世界各地包括犹太机构和犹太会堂以外的抗议活动
523Activists have openly declared.活动家们公开宣布。
524We don't want two states.我们不要两个州。
525We want all of it我们要全部
526So again, I ask what exactly does peace mean when one side?所以,我再次问,和平究竟意味着什么?
527Refuses to accept that the other has any legitimate right to exist at all拒绝接受对方拥有任何合法生存权
528Because despite all the rhetoric that you'll hear tonight from the proposition Israel has repeatedly shown willingness to accept Palestinian national aspirations and因为尽管你今晚会听到各种言论 从提案中以色列一再表明 愿意接受巴勒斯坦的民族愿望
529coexistence even if the trend is即使趋势是共存
530In public opinion even if there are individuals in the government who have made distasteful and inappropriate comments what has在公共舆论中,即使政府中有个人 做出令人厌恶和不恰当的评论
531consistently characterized统一特征
532Israel's decision-making from left to right in the Israeli government is an effort to make peace in contrast以色列从左到右在以色列政府中的决策 是为了实现和平
533However, the Palestinian National Movement has often defined peace not as coexistence with Israel然而,巴勒斯坦民族运动常常将和平定义为与以色列共存
534But as a world without Israel entirely and not as offhand但作为一个没有以色列的世界 而不是手头
535Inappropriate comments like you may see from Israeli extremists over the years这些年来你可能从以色列极端分子那里看到的不恰当的评论
536But as a matter of written policy such as the 1968 Palestinian National Charter但作为1968年《巴勒斯坦民族宪章》等书面政策
537Which even after the Oslo Accords supposedly cancelled the clauses denying Israel's right to exist in any borders a new charter until today即便在奥斯陆协议签订后 否认以色列在任何边界 生存权的条款 也取消了
538Has never been released the reality is that a state which repeatedly offers negotiations territorial concessions withdrawals现实是,一个一再提出通过谈判收回领土特许权的国家
539recognition clearly wants to achieve some form of peace even if承认显然希望实现某种形式的和平,即使
540Imperfectly even if unsuccessfully now, let me address another deeply misleading element of the motion itself the phrase peace with Palestine in即使现在不成功,我还是要谈谈动议本身中另一个具有深刻误导性的内容,即:
5411948 there was no sovereign state called Palestine1948年 没有一个叫巴勒斯坦的主权国家
542In fact, there has never been an independent Arab Palestinian state in human history the war in 1948 was not fought事实上,人类历史上从未有过独立的阿拉伯巴勒斯坦国 1948年的战争没有打过
543The war in 1948 was not fought between Israel and a state called Palestine1948年的战争不是以色列和巴勒斯坦之间的战争
544It was fought between the newly declared Jewish state and surrounding Arab armies新宣布的犹太国与周围的阿拉伯军队之间
545Even the term Palestine itself did not originate as part of Arab national identity甚至巴勒斯坦本身也不是阿拉伯民族特征的一部分
546After crushing the Barkofa revolt in the second century the Roman Empire renamed Judea Syria, Palestina二世纪击溃巴科法起义后,罗马帝国更名为朱迪亚叙利亚,帕列斯蒂纳.
547Widely understood by historians as an attempt to sever Jewish connection to the land following repeated Jewish revolts against Roman rule被历史学家广泛理解为试图在犹太人多次反抗罗马统治后切断犹太人与土地的联系
548There was no Arab Palestinian civilization there at the time and there was no Arab or Muslim sovereign power当时那里没有阿拉伯巴勒斯坦文明,也没有阿拉伯或穆斯林主权强国.
549In other words the very name Palestine entered imperial usage as part of the erasure of Jewish sovereignty换句话说,巴勒斯坦作为消除犹太主权的一部分而进入帝国式使用。
550Much later the modern Arab Palestinian national movement emerged primarily through the PLO under Yasser Arafat in the 1960s20世纪60年代,现代阿拉伯巴勒斯坦民族运动主要通过亚西尔·阿拉法特领导的巴解组织出现。
551Now that doesn't mean that Palestinians aren't a real people today or anything like that after all every national identity evolves over time这并不意味着今天的巴勒斯坦人不是一个真正的民族 或类似的东西 毕竟每一个民族的身份 都会随时间演变
552But it does expose how much modern rhetoric attempts to invert the historical record by portraying Jews as foreign colonial intruders但是,它确实暴露了现代的言论 试图颠倒历史记录 将犹太人描绘成外国殖民入侵者
553While depicting modern-day Arab Palestinian nationalism as somehow indigenous将现代阿拉伯巴勒斯坦民族主义描绘成某种土著
554In fact in the early 1900s the term Palestinian often referred to Jews事实上,在1900年代早期,巴勒斯坦一词经常指犹太人
555We have the Palestine Post which later became the Jerusalem Post that was Jewish我们有巴勒斯坦邮报 后来成为耶路撒冷邮报 犹太人
556We also have the Palestine Symphony Orchestra later became the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra as you can hear see我们还有巴勒斯坦交响乐团 之后成为以色列爱乐乐团 如你所见
557See here a program from the 1930s all in Hebrew and in English这里看1930年代的节目 希伯来语和英语
558Later became the Israeli Philharmonic and of course was Jewish后来成为以色列爱乐乐团 当然是犹太人
559We also have the Palestinian football team from the mandate period Jewish as you can see here我们也有巴勒斯坦足球队 从任务期间 犹太人,在这里你可以看到
560There is a star of David on the official uniforms of this team这支队伍的正式制服上有大卫的明星
561Palestine Airways a national Zionist Jewish airline巴勒斯坦航空公司:犹太犹太复国主义航空公司
562Palestinian passports were carried by Jews as you can see here a copy of a Palestinian passport with Hebrew on top of it巴勒斯坦护照是犹太人携带的,你在这里可以看到一本巴勒斯坦护照的副本,上面有希伯来语
563Even the former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meyer was in possession of a Palestinian passport甚至以色列前总理戈尔达·迈耶也持有巴勒斯坦护照。
564And even the coins that are issued during the British Mandate featured Hebrew Aleph Yud noting Eretz Israel甚至在英国委任统治期间发行的硬币 都以希伯来人阿莱夫·尤德为主角
565translating directly to the land of Israel直接翻译到以色列国土
566even the coins issued under the British Mandate featured a即使是根据英国授权发行的硬币
567Recognition that the Jews had a connection to this land now contrary to modern activists claims the demographic承认犹太人与这块土地有联系 现在与现代活动家 声称人口
568History of the region is far more complex than a story of colonialist European Jews该地区的历史远比 殖民主义欧洲犹太人的故事复杂得多
569Displacing a static indigenous Arab population in fact you may be surprised to learn that Arabic as a language isn't even a native language事实上,你可能惊讶地得知,阿拉伯语作为一种语言甚至不是母语。
570to the Levant给黎凡特的
571The largest influx of Arabs to the Levant came with the Islamic conquest of the seventh century and while a limited presence of Arabs7世纪伊斯兰征服后,阿拉伯人涌入黎凡特的人数最多。
572Existed sporadically prior to that there was never a sovereign Arab civilization in the land of Israel prior to that在此之前,以色列土地上从未出现过主权的阿拉伯文明。
573Encompassing the land of Israel this is not an argument about Palestinian rights or even statehood rather将以色列土地包含在内,这不是关于巴勒斯坦人权利甚至建国的争论。
574It's an argument against historical revisionism这是反对历史修正主义的论点
575Because there is simply no basis for the claim that Jews are uniquely foreign to the land while modern Arab Palestinian identity因为没有任何依据可以证明犹太人对这片土地具有独特的外来性,而现代阿拉伯巴勒斯坦特征
576Somehow represents an unchanged ancient sovereignty.不知何故代表着一个未变的古代主权.
577It's simply not true and then这根本不是真的,然后
578Unfortunately today we see an increasing不幸的是,今天我们看到了越来越多的
579Tendency for historical inventions replacing factual history altogether完全取代事实历史的历史发明的可能性
580The truth is that the the ideology of Zionism doesn't negate the right of self-determination of any other people including Palestinians事实是,犹太复国主义的意识形态并不否定包括巴勒斯坦人在内的任何其他民族的自决权。
581But the traditional Palestinian position does deny the self-determination of the Jewish people to the land that they're actually from但巴勒斯坦的传统立场确实否定了犹太人民的自决权,他们实际上来自
582We are told that Palestinian identity stretches back thousands of years in its modern nationalist form我们被告知,巴勒斯坦人的身份可以追溯到几千年前的现代民族主义形式。
583We hear claims that Palestinians are direct descendants of Canaanites while Jews are supposedly European interlopers我们听说,巴勒斯坦人是迦南人的直系后裔,而犹太人则被认为是欧洲人。
584Palestinians have repeatedly denied or minimized Jewish historical ties to Jerusalem and the Temple Mount which predates Islam itself巴勒斯坦人一再否认或贬低犹太人与耶路撒冷和圣殿山的历史联系。
585But the historical and archaeological record is overwhelming但历史和考古记录是压倒性的
586Even when it comes to the Torah the Bible and yes the Quran the Jewish people originated in this land即使圣经和《古兰经》 都源于这片土地
587Their language originated in this land their civilization their religion their holidays their collective memories are all rooted in this land他们的语言起源于这片土地 他们的文明 他们的宗教 节日 他们的集体记忆都植根于这片土地
588Jews maintained a continuous presence there for thousands of years despite conquest exiles massacres forced conversions尽管被征服的流放者 大屠杀迫使犹太人皈依
589expulsions and imperial occupation by colonizers殖民者的驱逐和帝国占领
590Yes
591some of them Arab colonizers and the reason why so many Jews are dispersed around the world was only because其中一部分是阿拉伯殖民者 以及如此众多的犹太人 分散在世界各地的原因
592Invading empires repeatedly drove them out of their indigenous homeland入侵的帝国不断将他们赶出他们的家园
593instead of recognizing that the Jewish people are an indigenous people to the land and而不是承认犹太人民是土地的土著人民,
594Negotiating in good faith for the betterment of both peoples and the establishment of a Palestinian state为改善两国人民的福祉和建立巴勒斯坦国进行真诚谈判
595decades of Palestinian leadership have opted instead to craft a self-destructive a几十年来,巴勒斯坦领导人选择了制定自我毁灭的
596historical and delusional narrative of replacement历史和妄想的替换叙述
597Teaching generations a story that they are in fact indigenous and the Jews are not教几代人说 他们其实是土著人 犹太人不是
598Condemning generation after generation to a never-ending conflict that they feel is their duty to continue because they've been indoctrinated with a sense of一代又一代地谴责他们认为永无休止的冲突是他们继续冲突的责任,因为他们被灌输了一种感觉。
599perpetual victim hood where everything is always someone else's fault and imbued with the ideology of永远的牺牲品头罩 永远是别人的错
600Palestinian rejection ism巴勒斯坦的拒绝是
601Despite all this Israel has repeatedly demonstrated a willingness to compromise the propositions argument collapses under its own historical contradictions尽管如此,以色列一再表明,它愿意在自己的历史矛盾下,妥协这些主张。
602It denies every Israeli concession negotiation and peace treaty它否定了以色列所有特许权谈判与和平条约
603Most of all it denies the repeated refusals by the Palestinian and broader Arab leadership to accept Jewish self-determination in any form最重要的是,它否认巴勒斯坦和更广泛的阿拉伯领导人一再拒绝以任何形式接受犹太人自决。
604Ladies and gentlemen the motion before this house claimed that Israel never truly wanted peace with Palestine女士们,先生们,在这个房子之前的动议 声称以色列从来没有真正想要 与巴勒斯坦和平
605But the historical evidence simply does not support that claim the motion is reductive his intellectually maximalist and fundamentally但历史证据并不支持他的说法 即动议在思想上是最大的
606Disconnected from the regional reality and for that reason I urge this house to reject it与区域现实脱节,因此我敦促本院拒绝
607Can I remind all members that they are voting with their feet?我可以提醒所有成员,他们正在用脚投票吗?
608Depending on the side of the door that you walk through that is a vote cast取决于你走进那扇门的侧面 即投了票
609Excuse me.对不起。
610Sorry point of order对不起 程序问题
611point of order程序问题
612Mr.. Mr.. Haddad mr. Haddad哈达德先生
613points of order程序问题
614Can I please ask that both guest speakers on both sides of the bench excuse me?我能请两边的客座发言者原谅我吗?
615Sorry, can I please ask the speakers on both sides of the bench respect each other?对不起,我能请两边的发言者互相尊重吗?
616We are here for a courteous debate that is your first warning if I see behavior like that again我们来参加一个礼貌的辩论,这是你第一次警告,如果我再看到这样的行为
617You will be removed from the chamber你将被带离房间
618Sorry, excuse me.对不起,对不起。
619Excuse me, right?对不起,对不对?
620Mr. Haddad mr. Haddad mr. Haddad mr. Haddad哈达德先生 哈达先生 哈达先生 哈达先生
621Mr. Haddad mr. Haddad哈达德先生
622Mr. Haddad mr. Haddad one final time.哈达德先生,哈达先生最后一次。
623This is your final warning这是你最后的警告
624Please if you hear something from the other side of the door.请师从彼门闻.
625Yes.
626No, I agree没有,我同意
627I agree.и種
628Excuse me.对不起。
629Excuse me对不起
630If you hear anything from the other side you are able you are able to put forward a point of order to the chair如果你从另一边听到什么,你可以向主席提出一个程序问题
631And let me know it is让我知道
632Bring a point of order because I heard the提出一个程序问题 因为我听到
633Distinguished guests on the other side being very racist to an airplane在另一边的贵宾们 对飞机非常种族主义
634Points of order程序问题
635This is on both sides the final warning这是双方的最后警告
636Can we please engage in fruitful debates?我们能否进行富有成果的辩论?
637We do not need to shout across the aisle我们不需要在过道上大喊大叫
638speaking second on prop my在我的道具上说第二句话
639Okay, we're going to proceed with the next speech.好吧,我们接下来的演讲。
640I would please ask我会问
641I would please ask that speakers on both sides请双方发言
642Engage with each other courteously.互相礼遇
643You do not need to look at the speakers on the other side if they are upsetting you and你不需要看对方的演讲者 如果他们让你不高兴
644That goes for both sides, right?两边都是这样,对吧?
645Speaking second or third.说第二或第三.
646Sorry on proposition is mr. Sami Hamdi对不起,建议是 Mr. 萨米·哈姆迪
647ladies and gentlemen女士们,先生们
648members of the house I众议院成员
649Was told that there are points of information that I am supposed to take but I only have eight minutes and as you know有人告诉我,我需要一些信息 但我只有八分钟,你知道的
650Freedom of speech is under attack not because of criticizing the UK not because of criticizing the US言论自由遭到攻击并非因为批评英国,
651Not because of criticizing Qatar or Saudi or any of these places并非因为批评卡塔尔或沙特,
652It's under threat because if you mentioned they who must not be named Israelis它受到威胁,因为如果你提到 他们不能叫以色列人
653You might get in serious trouble.你可能会惹上大麻烦的
654So, please can you protect these eight minutes?所以,请您保护 这八分钟?
655Let's they gather another 50 billion dollars to buy tik-tok that Netanyahu calls the most important purchase of this war我们再集资五百亿 买下内塔尼亚胡称之为 这场战争最重要的买家
656Be careful be careful小心点,小心点
657Let's Jonathan Greenblatt go to the Knesset and say they have to capture social media让我们乔纳森·格林布拉特去以色列议会说 他们必须抓住社交媒体
658Be careful before Netanyahu comes and pays $7,000 to more influencers to feed us lies在内塔尼亚胡来之前小心点 给更多影响者7000美元
659Be careful.小心点
660Be careful live注意现场直播
661Give me my eight minutes because I don't know if has some pike and Jenk over will be allowed in because the Highness is in给我8分钟,因为我不知道有没有 派克和Jenk会允许进来 因为殿下在
662Tel Aviv might not allow them in again特拉维夫可能不允许他们再次进入
663Give me my eight minutes给我八分钟
664Ten they said I think10个 他们说我认为
665Ladies and gentlemen, I want to establish the norm of the region女士们,先生们,我想确立这个区域的规范
666The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him entered Yathrib and he found a vibrant Jewish community先知穆罕默德安抚他,进入雅思里卜 他发现一个充满活力的犹太社区
667He said to them your enemies are our enemies and we will stand with you.他说你的敌人是我们的敌人 我们会支持你的
668No matter what无论如何
669When Quraish reached out to the Jews and said to them betray Muhammad当时,库赖什与犹太教徒说:你们背叛穆罕默德吧!
670They said he treats us with nothing but kindness.他们说他只好对我们好
671What reason do we have to betray him?我们有什么理由背叛他?
672When Omar of Al-Khattab entered Jerusalem from the Romans who persecuted the Jews当哈塔布的奥马尔从迫害犹太人的罗马人进入耶路撒冷时
673Omar of Al-Khattab not only preserved the synagogues, but when he was asked to pray in the churchAl-Khattab的奥马尔不仅保留了犹太会堂,而且当他被要求在教堂祈祷时,
674He said I will not pray for fear that people might knock it down and turn it into a mosque and my Lord tells me to他说我不会为害怕别人把它打倒 变成清真寺而祈祷 我的主告诉我
675Respect the people of the book Jewish and Christian and everybody followed尊重书中的人 犹太教徒和基督教徒 以及所有随从
676once Allah had been in a you be entered Jerusalem after the Europeans had slaughtered 70,000 Christians Muslims and Jews in一旦安拉在耶路撒冷... ...欧洲人屠杀了70,000基督徒穆斯林和犹太人...
677Jerusalem Bailey and asked him and said what guarantee do I have you won't do to the Jews what we did to themJerusalem Bailey问他 并说,我有什么保证... ...你不会对犹太人做我们对他们做的
678Salah had been said I am not those men萨拉赫说过我不是那些人
679I am Salah had been servant of Allah Allah would never let me allow me to do that我是萨拉赫曾是阿拉的仆人 绝不允许我这么做
680when Isabella of Spain西班牙的伊莎贝拉
681Took the top of Andalusia夺得安达卢西亚之首
682She told the Jews you have three choices be baptized be burnt or go into exile她告诉犹太人你有三个选择 被洗礼或被放逐
683Sultan Bayezid the second was so upset about it苏丹 Bayezid二世对此很不高兴
684He sent ships to bring the Jews to the Ottoman Empire telling them.他派船将犹太人带到奥斯曼帝国告诉他们.
685This is the custom of our ancestors这是我们祖先的习俗
686This is the custom of those who came before me这是在我之前的人的习俗
687This is the custom of Islam and what Allah taught me this is the custom and he told the Spanish king这是伊斯兰教的习俗,真主教我的 这是习俗,他告诉西班牙国王
688What a fool you are depriving your country of the wondrous Jewish talents now你真是个傻瓜 让你的国家失去犹太天才
689We get to benefit from them by giving them the freedom to thrive and我们从中得益,让他们有兴旺的自由
690Andalusia Maimonides被认为是犹太历史的黄金时代之一
691Because when he lived alongside the Muslims he didn't suffer the anti-semitism that Europe showed the Jews因为当他和穆斯林生活在一起时 他没有遭受欧洲向犹太人展示的 反分裂主义
692Because Allah forbade it from him and so Maimonides knew that he could explore his theories in freedom因为真主禁止他这样做 所以Maimonides知道他可以自由探索他的理论
693There's no fear of the Muslims没有恐惧的穆斯林
694I can go to Jerusalem and back because I know that they treat me with kindness.我可以去耶路撒冷和回去,因为我知道他们对我好。
695They believe in coexistence just as we do他们和我们一样相信共存
696when Europe当欧洲时
697Anti-semitism grew so rife反分裂主义愈演愈烈
698They hunted and frank in the attic他们在阁楼打猎,很坦率
699They said Jews are not human他们说犹太人不是人类
700dervish corkut树皮
701Quickly grab the Haggadah快点抓住哈加达
702Hid it in a mosque and told them I won't let them erase the Jews藏在清真寺里 告诉他们我不会让他们抹杀犹太人
703I won't let them erase the Jews put it in the message.我不会让他们抹去犹太人的口信
704Don't let them erase the Jews别让他们抹掉犹太人
705At no point sit down my friend and hold the paper properly without shaking.永远不要坐下来 我的朋友,并妥善地持有 论文不摇晃。
706I一、导 言
707Want to remind everybody?想提醒大家吗?
708That the Holocaust was not committed by Muslims大屠杀不是穆斯林所为
709It's a uniquely European phenomenon and after the Holocaust Jews looked into their history.这是一个独特的欧洲现象,在大屠杀犹太人考察他们的历史之后.
710Where do I feel safe?我在哪里觉得安全?
711They got on a boat went towards Palestine and they unfurled to the Muslims他们乘船前往巴勒斯坦 向穆斯林敞开心扉
712Please don't do to us what the Europeans did to us请别对我们做那些欧洲人对我们做的事
713The reason you don't hear about it is because Larry Ellison says he needs to retrain the algorithm on tik-tok你没听说是因为拉里·埃里森说 他需要重新在tik -tok上训练算法
714Because you're getting too much truth on social media and it's making you learn the truth.因为你在社交媒体上得到了太多的真相,这让你了解到真相.
715It's making you wake up让你醒过来了
716It's making you see Palestine that they try to deny and cover up这让你看到巴勒斯坦 他们试图否认和掩盖
717when you look当你看着
718when you look and当你看和
719What's unfolding in this world?这个世界正在发生什么?
720The norm in the region was one of coexistence for as long as history could remember只要历史可以记住,该地区的规范就是共存
721So when you see this war unfolding, the question is not that this was always happening.所以当你看到这场战争正在展开时, 问题不是这总是会发生。
722The question is what changed?问题是什么变了?
723What is what changed?什么变了?
724That meant that this harmony where the Jews Muslims and Christians live side-by-side, so what changed I'll tell you what changed这意味着犹太穆斯林和基督教徒 并肩生活在一起的和谐
725What changed is that a Palestinian?改变的是什么是巴勒斯坦人?
726Descended from the Jews who became Muslims.脱离了成为穆斯林的犹太人.
727They're killing their own.他们正在自杀
728Don't get it twisted.别搞错了
729They're killing their own他们要杀了自己人
730They're saying because you of my blood became Muslim.他们说是因为你的血 变成了穆斯林
731I bombed the daylights out of you我从你身上炸掉了阳光
732Because you you your ancestors who are from there became Muslim.因为你 你的祖先从那里变成穆斯林
733I bomb you我轰炸你
734When they go to Palestine当他们去巴勒斯坦时
735They find Palestinians living in lands in the palace the Palestinians told them welcome like you've always been welcome他们发现巴勒斯坦人住在皇宫的土地上 巴勒斯坦人告诉他们欢迎他们 就像你一直受到欢迎一样
736They took the gun shot them in the head kicked them out of their homes and grabbed their homes他们拿起枪朝他们头部开枪,将他们赶出家门,抢走他们的家
737Then they offered a peace deal然后他们提出和约
738They said I'll take the kitchen the living room the front yard and the garden and you can have the top of the closet他们说我到厨房去 客厅前院和花园 你可以到衣柜顶部
739That's a good deal.善财交易.
740That's peace.这是和平。
741That's why you should reject this motion所以你才拒绝这个动议
742And when you look at common Israeli prime ministers and Israeli leaders当你看着普通的以色列总理和以色列领导人
743They're the ones saying it a friend once made a joke and said that if you want to destroy Zionists in the argument说这是朋友开过玩笑 说如果你想在争论中摧毁犹太复国主义者
744Just give them the microphone.把麦克风给他们
745I want to show you ladies and gentlemen我想给你看 女士们先生们
746What it looks like when they talk about the Oslo Accords and their own former Israeli minister says I would have rejected the deal当他们谈论奥斯陆协议时,
747I would not have taken the deal that Israel offered me我不会接受以色列给我的交易
748I as Israel would never accept such a deal being offered to me.作为以色列,我永远不会接受向我提出的这种协议。
749They say that it's only a few fringe units他们说,这只是几个边缘单位
750This is the Knesset voting overwhelmingly这是议会压倒性投票
751Against any Palestinian state in any form whatsoever when you look at Netanyahu running in an election当你看着内塔尼亚胡竞选时,反对任何形式的巴勒斯坦国
752He knows that to deny a Palestinian state is what is going to win him the elections and Shamir when he loses the election他知道否认一个巴勒斯坦国 将赢得他的选举 当他输了选举
753Tells them that the duty of every prime minister is to make sure that we should prolong as long as possible告诉他们每个总理的职责就是确保我们尽可能延长
754To kick out as many Palestinians as possible to increase as many settlements as possible.尽可能多地驱逐巴勒斯坦人,增加尽可能多的定居点。
755We need land land land我们需要土地
756We need to take take take we need to erase erase erase and we need to make sure there's no sign of Palestine ever again我们需要采取 采取我们需要擦除 擦除,我们需要确保 没有迹象 巴勒斯坦再次
757That's contrary to those who preserve the Jewish heritage, do you know why?这和那些保存犹太遗产的人是背道而驰的 你知道为什么吗?
758Emily argues that there is Jewish heritage in Palestine and why she can point to it because the Muslims preserved itEmily认为巴勒斯坦有犹太遗产 为何她可以指向它 因为穆斯林保存了它
759They weren't like the Israeli to try to erase it他们不像是以色列试图抹去它
760Do you know why when they look at Palestine they find their heritage in the temple of Solomon being protected next to an Aqsa mosque你知道为什么当他们看着巴勒斯坦时, 他们发现他们的遗产 在所罗门神庙 被保护在阿克萨清真寺旁边
761It is because the Muslims preserved and protected it not like the Israelis who want to dig under Aqsa and destroy it因为穆斯林保存和保护它 不像以色列人想在阿克萨底下挖 摧毁它
762There is a very difference between the standards of标准上的差异很大
763Palestinian peace and between the Israeli peace I want you to look at it more bluntly look at Palestine before and after巴勒斯坦和平和以色列和平之间,我希望你们在前后更直截了当地看待巴勒斯坦。
764Look how they eat and eat and eat look how they take and take and take look how they destroy destroy destroy看他们如何吃,吃,吃 看他们如何吃,吃,看他们如何破坏破坏
765Look how they build and build and build and they stand there telling you we want peace看他们如何建造和建造 他们站在那里 告诉你我们希望和平
766What have you left of the house?你还有什么房子?
767They say my eight minutes my eight minutes他们说我八分钟,我八分钟
768My eight minutes you never know they might go outside and raise more money to buy to buy Oxford Union我八分钟,你不知道他们可能出去 筹到更多钱买牛津工会
769Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to show you what they consider to be self-defense女士们先生们,我要你们展示一下 他们认为是自卫的东西
770These are the last five operations that they conduct against Palestinians blue is Palestinian casualties这些是他们针对巴勒斯坦人的最后5次行动 蓝色是巴勒斯坦人的伤亡
771The one you cannot see because it's so tiny is Israeli casualties now all lives are important你看不见的,因为它是如此微小 是以色列伤亡 现在所有的生命都很重要
772But does this look proportionate to you when they go after the Palestinians?但是,当他们追杀巴勒斯坦人时,这看起来与你相称吗?
773Let me read you the ratios my dear friends my dear members of the house我读给你听 我亲爱的朋友们 我亲爱的家人们
774When you look at the ratios and you can see very clearly that even now as they bombed Gaza当你看到比例,你可以非常清楚地看到, 即使现在他们轰炸加沙
77573,000 people killed 36 to one ratio the value of a life of an Israeli is73 000人被杀害 36人与1人的比例
77636 Palestinians the value of a life of an Israeli the way they balance it is that it should not exist if one Israeli is36个巴勒斯坦人认为,以色列人的生命的价值与其平衡的方式一样,就是,如果一个以色列人是以色列人,就不应该存在。
777They erased the entire civilization.他们抹去了整个文明
778That's what they talk about when they mentioned Iran and said we're going to wipe out an entire civilization当他们提到伊朗 说我们要消灭整个文明时,他们就这么说
779Understand who you're talking to because as I go towards the end of my limited eight minutes and Allah理解你在跟谁说话 因为我离我8分钟的结束还有阿拉
780I'ma protect my freedom of speech from them.我要保护言论自由不受他们的伤害
781Yara.亚拉
782Yara protect my freedom of speech from them, please, please雅拉保护我的言论自由,不要让他们,拜托
783God protect tick-tock protect Instagram and protect the algorithm上帝保护滴答 保护Instagram 保护算法
784ladies and gentlemen女士们,先生们
785ladies and gentlemen as I go towards the end I女士们,先生们,随着我走向尽头
786Want you to imagine go with me here.想请你想象一下和我一起走
787I want you to understand what they're laughing at.我要你明白他们在笑什么
788I want you to understand我想让你明白
789That when six-year-old Sidra had her legs blown off and the blast of the force left her body hanging on the wall当六岁的Sidra的腿被炸掉,部队的轰击使她的尸体挂在墙上
790They danced and celebrated death to Arabs death to Arabs他们跳舞庆祝死 阿拉伯人死
791I want you to understand that when they shot Hind Rajab with 320 American bullets because they don't make their own我想让你明白 当他们用320发美国子弹 射中欣德·拉贾布的时候 因为他们没有自己制造
792320 American bullets and320美国子弹和
793Hind Rajab called the red crescent and said that I will need help.Hind Rajab给红月亮打电话 说我需要帮助
794I need an ambulance我需要救护车
795The Israeli forces IDF the most moral army in the world aimed their guns at the ambulance以色列国防军是世界上最有道德的军队,他们的枪瞄准救护车。
796They blew the ambulance up and they left him the register to die in the cold six years old and they他们把救护车炸了 把登记簿留给他 在寒冷的六岁时死去
797Danced and partied and had a festival and said death to Arabs.舞蹈和聚会,有一个节日 并说死阿拉伯人。
798Her life was worth nothing她的命一无所有
799I want you to understand what they're laughing at that when six-year-old dream我希望你能明白 当六岁时他们笑什么
800Her grandfather hugged her so tightly她爷爷抱得那么紧
801He hugged her so tightly and said to her you are the soul of my soul my beautiful他紧紧抱住她,对她说 你是我的灵魂 我美丽的
802Granddaughter, we're not talking about numbers.孙女,我们不是在说数字
803We're talking about real human lives.我们说的是真正的人命
804We're talking about people's blood我们说的是人的血
805Did you see the way they laughed when Arwa said my family is in Gaza?Arwa说我的家人在加沙时,
806Did you see they laugh when the Palestinian says I exist and they laugh and mock and say you don't exist你看到他们笑了吗? 当巴勒斯坦人说我存在, 他们笑,嘲笑,说你不存在
807You don't exist.你不存在。
808Do you see that?你看到了吗?
809That when that when they're dying when they're being slaughtered当他们死去的时候 当他们被屠杀的时候
810point of order has been raised程序问题已经提出
811Where precisely in which speech they say that Palestinians currently do not exist, please.请在他们所说的巴勒斯坦人目前不存在的确切发言中说明。
812Let me finish.让我说完
813He should retract it他应该收回
814No, no the Palestinians you said it.不,不,巴勒斯坦人你说的。
815They had state doesn't exist他们的状态不存在
816The state doesn't exist and therefore what the people doesn't exist and the state doesn't exist国家不存在,因此人民不存在,国家不存在
817Don't try to play semantics with me.别跟我玩语义游戏
818You've got a whole social media to do it你有一套社交媒体可以做
819ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen女士们先生们 女士们先生们
820Reem Reem Reem.释迦牟尼如来.
821He did the point of order because I mentioned a six-year-old girl.他这么做是因为我提到一个六岁的女孩
822She's not human.她不是人类。
823So he has to stand up所以他必须站起来
824Reem Reem Reem.释迦牟尼如来.
825Let me finish.让我说完
826We'll go get you on a brother soon.и皑т
827Let me finish让我说完
828Ladies and gentlemen order Reem apologies.女士们,先生们 命令里姆道歉。
829One second a point of order was raised提出了程序问题
830What was the point of order in which at which point in this in any of our speeches that said at this day the Palestinian?在我们今天的任何一次发言中,巴勒斯坦人是什么时候发言的?
831people do not exist and人不存在
832Which of our speeches me Emily what that is not technically a point of order.我们的演讲中哪一个是艾米莉 技术上这不是一个程序问题
833Is there something you demand?有什么需要吗?
834No, I demand retract or if I demand a retraction不,我要求收回 或者如果我要求收回
835Okay, let me finish my speech now.好吧,让我现在完成我的演讲。
836No retract that statement.不得撤回该声明。
837It's unfair.这是不公平的。
838Yeah a是啊,一个
839Statement was made by Sami was it in regards to one of the speakers.萨米代表就其中一名发言者作了发言。
840It was yes没错
841I didn't mention any speaker.我可没提任何发言人
842You said them.你说的
843I said they the Israelis.我说他们是以色列人
844They'd stay the Israelis.他们会留下以色列人
845You've got a video你有录像
846You can look at it after but don't edit it你以后可以看,但别编辑
847Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen as I go did you see how much they interrupted?女士们,先生们,女士们,先生们,我走了 你们看到他们打断了多少吗?
848They can't even allow me to finish a speech for eight minutes他们甚至不能让我 完成一个演讲八分钟
849Eight minutes.八分钟
850They can't let me finish eight他们不能让我完成八个
851Please make sure air strikes are not coming请确保空袭不会来
852But anyway, ladies and gentlemen但是不管怎样 女士们先生们
853The reason why I make this point is to show you how ridiculous the argument is that Israel wanted peace that Israel wanted peace我之所以提出这一点,是想向你们表明,以色列想要和平,以色列想要和平,这是多么荒谬的论点。
854Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to understand who's dying here.女士们,先生们,我要你们知道谁要死了
855It's not fighters.这不是战士。
856It's kids.这是孩子。
857It's the elderly是老年人
858I want you that when you look at dr我要你看医生的时候
859Nick Maynard interview with Tucker Carlson Tucker Carlson asks him and says to him what are Palestinians like and Nick Maynard says to him尼克·梅纳德接受塔克·卡尔森·塔克·卡尔森的采访 问他如何是巴勒斯坦人 尼克·梅纳德对他说
860That they're the most generous and beautiful people I ever met Tucker Carlson responds and says we're taught that they're not even human who taught them他们是我见过最慷慨和美丽的人 塔克·卡尔森回应说 我们被告知他们不是人类
861Who's teaching them that these people are not human who's standing here telling them that they don't deserve a state who's standing here creating that some谁教他们这些人不是人类 谁站在这里告诉他们 他们不配有一个州 站在这里创造一些
862Some false history that there was tension between them and that somehow they've always been fighting when reality一些虚假的历史,他们之间有紧张 不知何故,他们总是战斗 当现实
863They have not been fighting and anybody who reads history anybody worth his salt when they learn history will understand that that's completely false他们没有打架 任何读历史的人 任何值得他盐的人 当他们学习历史时会明白 这是完全错误的
864And that's not the situation at all.情况根本不是这样
865I一、导 言
866Present to this house.来这房子
867I tell you enough with the lies我用谎言告诉你够了
868I understand that we have to entertain these ideas in the idea of debate and free speech have your free speech我理解,我们必须在辩论和言论自由的理念中 考虑这些想法。
869But don't detach it from the reality of what's unfolding on the ground但不要把它从地面上发生的事情中分离出来
870Don't detach it from those dead bodies and those dead soul thousands of kids are being slaughtered and不要把它从那些死尸和那些死去的灵魂中分离出来 成千上万的孩子正在被屠杀
871They're being slaughtered because they don't want to live with Palestinians the Palestinians were living with Jews因为他们不想和巴勒斯坦人一起生活 巴勒斯坦人和犹太人一起生活
872The Palestinians live with them for centuries and then Zionist turned up and they told the Jews don't live with them巴勒斯坦人和他们一起生活了几个世纪 然后犹太复国主义者出现了 他们告诉犹太人不要和他们一起生活
873No more take their homes and slaughter them.不得再夺其家而屠之.
874Don't live with them别和他们住在一起
875No more take what they have and make it into greater Israel because of God that we don't believe and promised that to us three thousand别再拿他们所拥有的东西 把它变成更大的以色列了 因为上帝我们不相信
876years ago数年前
877Remember when you are talking about this topic, I want you to understand the humanity that's involved here记住,当你谈论这个话题的时候, 我希望你能理解这里的人性。
878They are destroying humanity as a result and they won't even allow people to talk about it他们正在毁灭人类 他们甚至不允许人们谈论它
879I want you to understand and remember those souls.我要你理解和记住那些灵魂。
880I'm wrapping up now我现在要收尾了
881that I want you to remember that these are people who are genuinely dying and they don't care about them and they are ready to我要你记住,这些人是 真正的死亡 他们不在乎他们,他们准备
882Kill more if Donald Trump allows them to do so in the way that Biden allowed them to do so stop them如果唐纳德·特朗普允许他们这么做 以拜登允许他们这样做的方式 阻止他们
883Stop them.拦住他们
884Don't normalize their narratives smash it and crush it and don't let them silence you or destroy your freedom of speech不要让他们的叙事正常化 粉碎和粉碎它 不要让他们沉默或破坏你的言论自由
885They can't silence all of us.他们不能让我们所有人保持沉默。
886Thank you very much非常感谢
887Might I remind all members that depending on the side of the door that they walk through that is a vote cast请允许我提醒所有成员,取决于他们走过的那扇门的侧面,这就是投票。
888Thank you for that speech.谢谢你的演讲
889I now call upon the third speaker on side opposition.我现在请第三位反对者发言。
890Mr. Han Mazik.汉·马济克.
891Thank you very much非常感谢
892It's quite shocking to hear the speech before especially the claims that Jews control the media and silencing everyone听到之前的演说 特别是犹太人控制媒体 压制所有人的说法 实在太令人震惊了
893Can I please ask the speakers do not speak across from one another if you wish to raise a point of order如果你们想提出程序问题,我可否请各位发言。
894Especially hearing that it's sorry.特别是听到它很抱歉。
895Excuse me.对不起。
896Can I ask that both speakers?我能请两位发言者发言吗?
897Please stop speaking for one second.请停止发言 一秒钟。
898Your time is paused你的时间暂停了
899You cannot speak across one another in the chamber if there is a concern you raise a point of order the point of order如果有人担心你提出程序问题,你就不能在会议厅里相互交谈
900Stops the debate and you can address me directly as the chair停止辩论 你可以直接把我当主席
901Do you think something has been taken out of context or you wish something to be rejected?你是否认为某事被断章取义 还是希望被拒绝?
902You may point a point of order你可以指出一个程序问题
903So that because of a Jewish man in America因为在美国有个犹太人
904But a social media account were silencing free speech and somehow you all are applying plotting for it但一个社交媒体的账号 压制着言论自由 不知何故你们都在为它申请阴谋
905So I'm not sure what type of and you really think you're brave所以我不知道是什么类型 你真的觉得你很勇敢
906But you are part of a populist movement as many populist movement before但你是民粹主义运动的一部分 像以前许多民粹主义运动一样
907But the the speech before really helped me because I want to speak about但之前的演讲真的帮助了我 因为我想谈谈
908The four Middle Eastern exiles in the room tonight, sir今晚这四个中东流亡者
909Ronald Cohen who once led this union was thrown out of Cairo for being a Jew曾经领导这个工会的罗纳德·科恩因为是犹太人而被赶出开罗
910His family arrived in England with only ten pounds他的家人只带着十磅来到英国
911Dr. Gada Karmie who sits opposite me left her home in Jerusalem in 1948坐在我对面的Gada Karmie博士1948年离开她在耶路撒冷的家
912She has carried that loss for 77 years and have spoken about it at length in every platform in books and so on她已经承受了77年的损失, 并在每一个平台上,在书上,等等, 详细谈论它。
913My grandmother Hela was violently thrown out of Baghdad我祖母希拉被暴力赶出巴格达
914Two and a half thousand years of Jewish life in Iraq ended within one generation25000年的犹太人生活在伊拉克 结束了一代人
915My grandmother Kamisa was thrown out of Tunisia her family lived in North Africa我祖母Kamisa被赶出突尼斯 她的家人住在北非
916Longer than Islam had existed there our name Mazi comes from Amazigh.比伊斯兰教还久,我们马齐的名字来自阿马齐格。
917It means free people意味着自由的人
918for exiles为流亡者
919One ended up naming this whole one ended up in London writing books to ended up in a tent in Israel一个最后给这整个取名,一个在伦敦写书,最后在以色列的帐篷里
920Because nowhere else on earth would take a Jew from Baghdad or a Jew from Jerba因为地球上没有其他地方 能带走巴格达的犹太人 或是杰巴的犹太人
921In fact over half of Israeli Jews today are first second and third generation of refugees事实上,今天半数以上的以色列犹太人是第一、第三代难民。
922from Arab and Muslim lands and the proposition tonight wants to tell you that only one of these stories matter来自阿拉伯和穆斯林的地盘 今晚的命题是 只有一个故事很重要
923That only one of these exiles deserve a country that only one of these grandmothers deserve to be remembered这些流亡者中只有一个人应该有一个国家 只有一位祖母应该被记住
924I'm here to tell you that all four deserve to be remembered我在这里告诉你,所有四个值得记住
925I know radical and only one country in this region was built so that a grandmother like mine would never have我知道这个区域只有一个国家 是为了一个像我这样的祖母
926nowhere else to go无处可去
927This debate is about whether Israel ever wanted peace这场辩论是关于以色列是否想要和平
928Now I want to first ask you.现在我想先问你
929I want to first ask you.我想先问你
930What do you mean by peace?你说和平是什么意思?
931Before I answer I want you to look at this picture在我回答之前 我要你看看这张照片
932These are Israeli soldiers这些是以色列士兵
933They are removing a Jewish woman from her home in Gaza in August 20052005年8月,他们将一名犹太妇女赶出加沙的家中。
934by force on the orders of the Israeli government because Ariel Sharon a war hero of the right因为阿里尔·沙龙是右翼战争英雄
935Apologies point of order.抱歉,我有点问题
936Can I please ask that there is no filming in the chamber take photos, but no videos.我可以问一下,没有拍摄 在室内拍照, 但没有视频。
937Thank you谢谢
938Can I make sure that the time is added?我可以确保时间的增加吗?
939You've disrupted me several times你打搅了我好几次了
940Thank you on the orders of the Israeli government because Ariel Sharon a war hero of the right感谢以色列政府的命令 因为阿里尔·沙龙是右翼的战争英雄
941Decided to give every inch of Gaza to the Palestinians in exchange for peace决定把加沙的每一寸土地交给巴勒斯坦人以换取和平
942Who is Israel in this photo?照片中以色列是谁?
943Is it the soldiers?是士兵吗?
944Is it the woman?是那个女人吗?
945Is it the baby?是宝宝吗?
946Is it a policy that put them in this situation to begin with the proposition tonight need Israel to be one thing and Israel is难道这是把这些人置于这种境地的政策吗?
947not one thing没有一件事
948Israel is the country that did this以色列是这样做的国家
949Mr. Ader and my colleagues would read the rest of the receipts to youAder先生和我的同事会把剩下的收据给你看
950So I would try and avoid repeating them, but I will tell you what they add up to every prime minister of所以,我会尽量避免重复, 但我会告诉你,他们加起来 每一个总理,
951Israel in the last 40 years has put forward a peace proposal some kind right wing left wing war hero过去40年中,以色列提出了和平建议 某种右翼左翼战争英雄
952Reformer every one of them改造每一个
953Proposition is not asking you to weigh in the evidence because many of you are not capable of that.提案并不是要你权衡证据 因为你们中很多人都做不到这点
954They are asking you to ignore it他们叫你不要理会
955Quite literally in some cases.在某些情况中,非常实际。
956They're saying there's not even debate right because you need to just agree他们说连辩论都不对 因为你需要同意
957That's reminding me of different regimes in the past.这让我想起过去不同的政权.
958So I'll ask again.故复问.
959Who is Israel?以色列是谁?
960Is it the arts?是艺术吗?
961Is it a million of Israelis that march against Netanyahu last year?去年有100万以色列人游行反对内塔尼亚胡吗?
962Is it I'm an order who sits in the Israeli Knesset and represent two million Arabs难道我是一个命令 谁坐在以色列议会 代表200万阿拉伯人
963Is it the true soldier?是真正的士兵吗?
964Is it a Bedouin IDF tracker?是贝都因国防军追踪器吗?
965Is it the Ethiopian nurse?是埃塞俄比亚护士吗?
966Who is Israel?以色列是谁?
967Or does Israel in this motion means only part that the proposition is comfortable in dieting或以色列在这个动议中 仅仅意味着一部分 命题是舒适的饮食
968The motion requires a country to have no will the country is not one person动议要求一个国家没有意志 这个国家不是一个人
969Israelis are not the racist monolith以色列人不是种族主义者
970They try to frame us as the motion is a cartoon and cartoons cannot want anything at all他们试图陷害我们 因为动议是卡通 漫画根本不需要任何东西
971Professor Papa will tell you about爸爸教授会告诉你
972He will tell you that it was an ethnic cleansing.他会告诉你这是一场种族清洗
973He has built a career on that他以此为生
974I am here to tell you what his career left out in the same decades two people in this region lost their homes我是来告诉你 他的事业在同一个几十年里留下了什么 该地区有两个人失去了家园
975700,000 Palestinians Arabs or displaced in 1948.1948年有70万巴勒斯坦人阿拉伯人或流离失所。
976Dr.医生
977Kami was one of them her loss is real.卡米是其中之一 她的损失是真实的。
978I'm not here to argue with that我不是来跟你争论的
979850,000 Jews were expelled from every Arab land in the region that violence because85万犹太人被驱逐出该地区每一个阿拉伯土地,因为
980That violence begun before there was an Israel the far hood in Baghdad was in 1941暴力开始于1941年 巴格达最远的以色列
981That violence began started long before Israel was created.这种暴力早在以色列建立之前就开始了。
982My grandmother.我奶奶,我问她
983Hella was a teenager赫拉是个少年
984My grandmother camisa was driven out of Tunisia their loss is real, too我祖母卡米萨被赶出突尼斯 他们的损失也是真实的
985while professor Papa爸爸教授的时候
986Invents a narrative of premeditated发明了预谋
987Expulsion the archaic realities that Palestinians left their homes based because of a war驱赶巴勒斯坦人因战争而离开家园的古老现实
988Plannedalet which he refers to quite often the very document that he's using in his book他经常提到的Plantalet 在他的书中使用的文件
989Actually stated that the population should be removed only if there is resistance实际上说,只有遇到抵抗,才能驱赶人口
990living peacefully和平共处
991Sorry when the population was not hostile they remained living peacefully in flourishing society对不起,人民没有敌意 他们仍然和平地生活在繁荣的社会中
992Making 20% of Israeli Arab citizens today example.让20%的以色列阿拉伯公民成为榜样。
993We have use of haddad here我们用过哈达
994His family stayed and became part of the Israeli society today他的家人留下来,今天成为以色列社会的一部分
995Papa's refusal to acknowledge.爸爸拒绝承认
996This is not history its selection his own colleague这不是历史 选择自己的同事
997Leading historian professor Benny Moritz who documented Plannedalet called him one of the world's sloppiest著名历史学家本尼·莫里茨教授 他记录了Plantalet 称他为世界最暴徒之一
998Historian I don't think you are sloppy.历史学家 我不认为你是草率的。
999I think you know exactly what you're doing我想你很清楚你在做什么,你在做什么
1000This debate is not about how things are remembered, but how but about how actually what actually happened这场辩论不是关于 事情是如何被记住的, 而是如何,实际上发生了什么
1001Iraq did not expelled its Jews because of anything Israel did the far hood the pogrom that destroyed my grandmother's伊拉克没有驱逐它的犹太人,因为任何事情 以色列做了远罩 大屠杀摧毁了我的祖母。
1002Childhood happened in 1941童年发生在1941年
1003Seven years before the proposition had a state to blame my grandmother watch her best friend raped and mutilated in the streets of Baghdad7年前,这个提议有一个州 责怪我的祖母 看着她最好的朋友 在巴格达街头被强奸和肢解
1004By an Iraqi Arab policeman because she was a Jew that is our childhood handed一个伊拉克的阿拉伯警察 因为她是犹太人 是我们的童年
1005The Jews of Iraq were stripped out of the citizenship by law in伊拉克的犹太人被法律剥夺国籍
10061950 written in Baghdad passed in Baghdad signed by Iraqi Arabs that was not Israel doing1950年写在巴格达,由伊拉克阿拉伯人签署,而不是以色列签署
1007That was the unwillingness of Arab nationalists to allow anyone else to be sovereign in this region这就是阿拉伯民族主义者不愿意让任何其他人成为这一地区的主权
1008The Kurds have faced century of state violence at least hundred and sixty thousand killed in the Anfal campaign alone a库尔德人面临世纪国家暴力,
1009Whole city was gassed in a single day.整座城市在一天之内就被毒气淹没了
1010No Oxford resolution about them没有关于他们的牛津决议
1011Christians were once majority in Lebanon.基督教徒在黎巴嫩一度占多数。
1012They are now under third of the country他们现在占全国的三分之一
1013The Syrians live primarily in the Diaspora the Greeks of Alexandria were expelled the Amazigh were叙利亚人主要居住在散居地 亚历山大希腊人被驱逐 阿马齐格人
1014Arabized before Morocco finally agreed that it's their country to在摩洛哥最终同意他们的国家
1015Every people that asked sovereignty after the Ottoman Empire fell have been told the same thing by Arab nationalist每个在奥斯曼帝国沦陷后要求主权的人民 都被阿拉伯民族主义者告诉了同样的事情
1016Whatever their stripe pen Arabs Syrians Iraqi Lebanese and now Islamist the Levant is Arab不管他们的条纹笔 阿拉伯叙利亚人 伊拉克黎巴嫩人 现在伊斯兰的黎凡特人是阿拉伯人
1017There is no other story.没有别的故事了。
1018There is no other people Arab national self-determination没有其他阿拉伯民族自决
1019It was a legitimate aspiration这是合法的愿望
1020I don't want to say that it wasn't but the problem is the claim that Arabs should be the only sovereign people in the Levant我不想说不是,但问题在于 阿拉伯人应该是黎凡特唯一的主权人民
1021That even Israel zero point zero three percent of the middle is the only Jewish country in the world即使是以色列 中间的零点 也是世界上唯一的犹太国家
1022One of the smallest countries in the region本区域最小的国家之一
1023Even Israel can't exist because it's Jewish.即使是以色列也不能存在,因为它是犹太人.
1024We have to Arabize it too, right?我们也得把它阿拉伯化,对吧?
1025The problem is the claim that Arabs should be the only sovereign people in the Levant once the claim is set aside peace become问题是,一旦放弃和平,阿拉伯人民就应该成为黎凡特的唯一主权人民。
1026Possible Morocco has proven it the Jews are not the exception to this part pattern可能摩洛哥已经证明 犹太人并非例外
1027We are the people who build states strong enough to survive this我们是建设强大国家 以生存下去的人
1028Dr. Kami, and I are both children of that pen Arabism's failure our family lost our home in Jerusalem卡米博士,我都是那笔阿拉伯主义失败的后代 我们家失去了在耶路撒冷的家
1029Mine lost a home in Baghdad one ideology two losses.我的家在巴格达失去了一栋房子 一个意识形态损失了两个。
1030We are both its victims in fact其实我们都是受害者
1031Jews from the Middle East and North Africa eight hundred fifty thousand of them lost land that is equal to five times the size of the state来自中东和北非的犹太人 损失了85万块土地 相当于国家面积的五倍
1032Of Israel combined if you put the land of Israel that we've seen on this map five times together如果你把我们已经见过的以色列土地 放在这张地图上5次
1033You would get the amount of land that was stolen from us by a pan Arabs.你会得到被一个泛阿拉伯人 从我们那里偷走的土地的数量。
1034No Oxford resolution on that牛津大学对此没有决议
1035You can wait for after I serve for five years in Kogut the Israeli military我在科古特当了五年兵,你再等吧
1036They're responsible that responsible for Palestinian civilians affairs in the disputed territories two years in Hebron one year in Ramallah他们负责在希伯伦争议领土上的巴勒斯坦平民事务 一年在拉马拉
1037One year in his Jerusalem a few months in Gaza.在耶路撒冷呆了一年,在加沙呆了几个月。
1038Yes, I know you wrote about it professor Pepe, but you haven't served there是的,我知道你写的Pepe教授, 但你没有在那里服务
1039So maybe listen to me my job was humanitarian permits medical transfers sick children across the checkpoint所以,也许听我说,我的工作是 人道主义许可 医疗转移生病儿童过检查站
1040The Palestinian father who needed dialysis for his child and called me at 4 a.m巴勒斯坦父亲需要透析他的孩子,凌晨4点给我打电话
1041And I would make the arrangement to transfer them to Israel the young Palestinian boy who stepped on a landmide我会安排把他们转移到以色列 那个踩上陆地的年轻巴勒斯坦男孩
1042Placed by terrorists because Israel does not use it in this area, and we would arrange an immediate被恐怖分子放置,因为以色列没有在这一地区使用,我们将立即安排
1043Escort to take them from their home into Israel and save their life护送他们离开家园进入以色列并拯救他们的生命
1044Months later his family thanked me they thanked the Israeli soldier in the uniforms the world tells them only hurt people like them and几个月后,他的家人感谢我... ...他们感谢穿制服的以色列士兵... ...世界告诉他们只伤害他们这样的人...
1045The young Palestinian man whose community would have killed him for who he loved and now he lives in Tel Aviv一个年轻的巴勒斯坦男子,他的社区本会为他所爱的人而杀死他,现在他住在特拉维夫
1046He is alive, but for his safety and dignity.他还活着,但是为了他的安全和尊严。
1047I will not share any more details我不会再讲细节了
1048Can imagine what some of the point of information would be here?你能想象这里有什么信息点吗?
1049Yes, there are claims that Israeli security service has used gay是的,有人声称以色列安全部门使用同性恋
1050Palestinians as informers and it's abhorrent in my view the question is why being gay in Gaza in the West Bank is so dangerous巴勒斯坦人作为线人,我认为这令人憎恶 问题是为什么加沙西岸的同性恋如此危险
1051I think that's the more important question.我认为这是一个更重要的问题。
1052We should ask ourselves我们应该问问自己
1053It's always queers for Palestine never queers in Palestine对巴勒斯坦来说总是同性恋,对巴勒斯坦来说永远不是同性恋
1054That work is not in a book on any sit down sit down sit down sit down sit down书里没有关于坐下的作品 坐下
1055Sit down请坐
1056Point of order has been raised程序问题已经提出
1057To give you a point of order a point of order has been给您一个程序问题 一个程序问题
1058Throughout this debate neither side has accepted points of any points information including offering an opportunity at the end在整个辩论中,双方都不接受任何要点,包括最终提供机会。
1059When they said that they would I'm under the understanding that the new debate当他们说他们会,我的理解是,新的辩论
1060Except it was to put information is that correct yes, so I discussed previously with speakers只不过说得没错 所以我之前和发言者讨论过
1061It is very much encouraged that you do take points of information time will not be taken off of your speech很高兴您能抽出时间 发言时间不会缩短
1062It'll be rewarded back at the end of your speech在你讲话结束时会得到回报的
1063You will be able to complete your speech if you do take points of information this was discussed previously with speakers如果你确实了解情况,你就能完成发言。
1064I do encourage all speakers on all sides to try and engage with our members.我确实鼓励各方的所有发言者努力与我们的成员接触。
1065It makes for a better debate.它有助于更好地辩论。
1066Thank you谢谢
1067Absolutely.当然
1068Thank you so much.非常感谢
1069Sit down请坐
1070They think the Israeli soldier in the uniform that the world tells you only hurts people like them他们认为穿军装的以色列士兵 只会伤害他们这样的人
1071That work is not on any book on the proposition bench tonight那本书不是任何关于今晚提案的书
1072But there are tens of thousands of stories like this not in a seminar not in a podcast not in theory但是有上万个这样的故事 不是在研讨会上 也不是在播客里 也不是在理论上
1073I was there for five years on the phone at four in the morning with parents trying to save children's lives我在那里呆了5年,凌晨4点 和父母一起试图拯救孩子的生命
1074I know what peace looks like when it's been built one phone call at a time by Israelis for Palestinians while nobody is watching我知道和平是什么样子的 当一个电话是以色列人为巴勒斯坦人打的 而没有人在看
1075You will see you will not see this work on a campus poster你会看到,你不会看到这部作品 在校园海报上
1076It does not fit a flyer它不适合传单
1077But it happened anyone who tells you Israel never wanted peace has never sat in a room where peace being built但是,有人告诉你,以色列从来不希望和平,但从未坐过一个建设和平的房间。
1078Badly slowly and against the odds to finish my remarks.慢慢的 和机会 完成我的发言。
1079I know I need to finish vote against this motion tonight我知道我今晚要投票反对这个动议
1080Because it's silence half of the Middle East which you many of you clearly don't care about因为中东有一半是安静的 你们很多人显然不在乎
1081The Jews who were thrown out the Israelis who marched for peace the Kurds they as it is the cops the Maronites the Amazigh犹太人被赶出去 以色列人游行和平 库尔德人,他们就像警察一样, 马龙派教徒 阿马齐格人
1082And yes the Palestinians对 巴勒斯坦人
1083That I worked with wanted nothing more than to put their children to bed without fear我和他们一起工作 只想让他们的孩子无所畏惧地睡觉
1084Look, I get it.听着,我明白了。
1085It's the cause du jour, right?这是杜约尔的原因,对不对?
1086Like so many other populist causes in history就像历史上其他很多民粹主义的事业
1087This is the trendy thing to do to be an anti-zionist today wins you clout, right?今天做反锡安主义者是潮流,赢得你的影响力,对吧?
1088And that is why desperate people with weak character and a corrupt moral campus这就是为什么绝望的人 性格弱 和腐败道德校园
1089Will look away from the facts as they are presented to them just to belong to something anything, right?将远离事实的视线 当它们被呈现给他们只是为了属于什么,对不对?
1090Just look around you people living in the West wearing this conflict as a costume看看你周围 住在西方的人 穿着这冲突作为服装
1091Like it's a football match就像足球比赛一样
1092So I ask you tonight is there any motion about Israel against Israel所以我今晚问你 有没有关于以色列反对以色列的动议
1093That you would not pass in this house.说你不会在这个房子里通过。
1094Is there any motion at all?有没有动议?
1095Think about it考虑一下
1096The aunt if the honest answer is no and I believe you all know it's no then you are not a debating society如果诚实的回答是否定的,我相信你们都知道这是否定的,那么你们不是一个辩论的社会.
1097You're not I'm sorry sure you are allowed to have this set up your made up your mind, but let's not kid ourselves你没有,对不起,我肯定你被允许 设置你的决定,但让我们不要欺骗自己
1098Most of you delivered your verdict before you entered the room你们大多数在进入房间之前都做出了判决
1099You have no matter what you have heard tonight无论你今晚听到什么
1100You didn't come here to weigh an argument you came here to confirm your feeling and your bias你来这里不是为了权衡 你来这里是为了确认你的感受和偏见
1101I look around this room oak panels 800 years of tradition the greatest debating society in the world我环顾这房间 橡木板800年的传统 世界上最伟大的辩论社会
1102You will go home tonight to your warm beds, and you would tuck in you'll be very warm你今晚要回家去温床 睡在床上会很温暖
1103In a country that has not been invaded for nine hundred and sixty years在一个九百六十年没有被入侵的国家
1104My Jewish grandmother slept on a dirt floor in a tent我的犹太祖母睡在帐篷的泥地上
1105Because the country she was can can guess please not tonight因为她的国家可以猜到 今晚不行
1106Can I ask speakers on both sides not to scream if she's not a speaker not to speak not on but it's not我能否请双方的发言者不要尖叫,如果她不是不说话的发言者,但这不是
1107The first time she's doing it她第一次这样做
1108Can we can we ask can we can we ask can I ask the speakers do not speak against each other?我们能问我们能否问我们能否问,我能否请发言者不要相互指责?
1109Okay, I'm going to finish my remarks.好吧,我要结束我的发言。
1110Thanks谢谢
1111To go出发
1112Order order order order订单命令
1113Don't come this order不要来这个命令
1114Order finish in one minute一分钟后完成
1115Can I can I please ask for order?我能问下命令吗?
1116Can I understand what has happened on the side?我能理解侧面发生了什么吗?
1117This guy这个家伙
1118Order order I understand can't can someone from that area over there explain what they saw from their side秩序,我理解,不能有人 从那边的地区 解释他们看到的东西 从他们一边
1119Order order顺序
1120Order顺序
1121Yes, no, listen.不 听着
1122This is some I have to I have to hear I have to hear complaints from both sides这是一些我必须听到的 我必须听到双方的抱怨
1123But I'm gonna ask that a 51a addressing me但我要问一个51a的地址
1124I'm going to I'm going to have to ask because I did warn speakers on both sides我要去问,因为我警告过两边的发言者
1125I did I did warn speakers on both sides.我警告过双方的发言者。
1126Okay.摆
1127This is I think the third time now我觉得这是第三次了
1128There has been some kind of commotion between had dad and someone on the other side爸爸和另一边的人之间发生了某种骚动
1129What I understand what I understand currently is that Adam?我能理解的就是亚当吗?
1130I一、导 言
1131Don't think it's funny别觉得好笑
1132And the ladies the ladies tell me that I'm something about my mouth, sorry, I don't know if it was sexual女士们 女士们告诉我 我嘴里有些东西 抱歉 我不知道是不是性爱
1133Okay, order order order order order order.好吧,命令命令命令命令。
1134Can I please have order in the chamber?房间有秩序吗?
1135If I receive one more complaint against如果我再收到一次投诉
1136The gentleman on this side or against Joseph had dad.这边的先生或约瑟有爸爸
1137I will have to remove both of you from the chamber我要把你们俩都带出房间
1138Can you point of order a lady that's sitting there was pointing to her mouth and said you have something on your mouth你能点头吗? 坐在那的女士指着她的嘴 说你嘴上有东西
1139You have problems with your mouth.你的嘴有问题
1140You just said你刚才说
1141It's recorded you can order order order order.记录下来了,你可以命令命令
1142Yeah, look at the recording是啊,看看录音
1143I have I have made I have made up我编好了
1144Please excuse me.请原谅我。
1145I一、导 言
1146Have made a decision已经做出决定
1147There have been complaints against a certain gentleman here这里有人投诉某个绅士
1148There have been complaints against a lady out there if I hear one more complaint on either side外面有人投诉一个女人 如果我再听到两边有人投诉
1149They will be removed from the chamber by 51 a can I please ask that both sides respect the forms of the house?我能否请双方尊重住房的形式?
1150Thank you谢谢
1151so to finish my remarks my Jewish所以结束我的发言 我的犹太人
1152My Jewish grandmother slept on a dirt floor in a tent in a desert because the country she was born in我的犹太祖母睡在泥土地板上 在沙漠的帐篷里 因为她出生的国家
1153Decided she is no longer citizen of it.决定她不再是公民了
1154She did not get to debate her displacement at Oxford Union她没有在牛津大学辩论她流离失所的问题
1155She got to survive it and from that end from that dirt her grandchildren她必须活下来 从那之后 她的孙子们从泥土里
1156Built lives that allow me to come here into this room tonight and speak with you搭建的生活让我今晚来到这间屋子里 和你谈谈
1157Whether or not you came here to listen不管你来不来听
1158It is a miracle that I am here if you had to decide her faith or probably not be here tonight奇迹是我在这里,如果你不得不决定她的信仰 或者今晚可能不在这里
1159You are not the room that gets to decide Israel you are in this room to debate whether my family has the right to live你不是决定以色列的房间 你是在这个房间里辩论 我的家人是否有权生活
1160Or they should die and quite frankly.或者他们该死 坦白说
1161I do not require your permission not anymore我不再需要你的许可了
1162Might I remind all members that they are voting with their feet depending on the side of the door that you walk through that我谨提醒所有成员,他们正在用脚投票,这取决于你走过那扇门的侧面。
1163Is a vote cast can I also remind speakers on both sides of the aisle that you are encouraged to take points of information?我能否也提醒过道两边的发言者,鼓励你们发表一些信息?
1164Time will not be lost on you from your speech你的演讲不会失去时间
1165It will be added you will have extra time actually if you do take points of information加上,如果您确实掌握了信息点,您将会有更多的时间
1166We do try and encourage engagement with our members.我们确实努力鼓励与我们的成员接触。
1167It has now come to the center of the debate它现在成为辩论的中心
1168I'm going to call on floor speeches for everyone in the room我要请大家发言
1169That is the ability for any member in the chamber to give an argument.这就是本会议厅任何成员提出论据的能力。
1170I look for a speech on proposition.我在找一篇关于提案的演讲
1171I一、导 言
1172Look to看着
1173mania疯狂
1174Thank you, madam president for giving me this opportunity to speak.谢谢你,总统女士给我这个机会
1175I'm not a Palestinian我不是一个巴勒斯坦人
1176I'm not an Arab.我不是阿拉伯人。
1177I'm not a Muslim, but today it's about humanity to the tonight is about humanity我不是穆斯林,但今天是人性 今晚是人性
1178Let me begin by going straight to a you UN General Assembly resolution from 2012 and make it clear首先,我直接谈谈2012年联合国大会的一项决议,并明确指出:
1179in that resolution granting the state of Palestine a non-member observer state state status in the UN an决议给予巴勒斯坦国非会员观察员国在联合国的
1180overwhelming majority of 138 countries supported it with only nine including Israel of course and the United States138个国家中的绝大多数支持,其中只有9个当然包括以色列和美国。
1181voted against it for the投票反对
1182Palestinian president the objective was to breathe new life into the peace process because he believed in peace and his people were in巴勒斯坦总统的目标是为和平进程注入新的活力,因为他相信和平,他的人民也支持和平进程。
1183Desperate need of it while Israel's delegate countered the statement saying without direct negotiation在以色列代表不直接谈判地反驳这一发言时,迫切需要这样做。
1184Peace remains out of reach and my question is what do you mean by direct negotiation?和平仍然遥不可及,我的问题是,直接谈判是什么意思?
1185Do they mean genocide?他们是指种族灭绝吗?
1186Did you mean war killing of children raping women shooting journalists and civilians and almost erasing an entire population你是指战争杀害儿童 强奸妇女 枪杀记者和平民 几乎抹去整个人口
118720 years later in 2024 the same countries Israel and the US20年后的2024年 以色列和美国
1188Denied recognition and full membership of the state of Palestine in UN while the opposition continues to boast of it拒绝承认巴勒斯坦国并成为联合国正式成员,而反对派却继续吹嘘它
1189Most of its initiatives towards peace through the Oslo Accords the Camp David summit of various ceasefire deals since the last 60 70 years戴维营首脑会议通过《奥斯陆协定》提出的大多数和平倡议,自过去60年70年来的各种停火协议
1190I must argue that what has been offered largely is a tokenistic form of peace我必须说,所提供的基本上是一种象征性的和平形式。
1191Presented to Palestinians as if it were a favor向巴勒斯坦人提出,好像这是个恩惠
1192You offered us Trump's 20-point Gaza peace plan where points 10 and 11 assume an你给了我们川普20点的加沙和平计划 其中第10点和第11点假设
1193economics first peace theory focused on reconstruction and investment zones aimed at stabilizing Gaza第一个和平理论侧重于旨在稳定加沙的重建和投资区
1194Various statehood.多个州.
1195How do you expect a state which is state less to be economically stable?你怎么会期望一个州经济不稳定的州?
1196I'm not saying ceasefire is not great.我不是说停火不是很好
1197It is great.这是伟大的。
1198It got us temporary peace from violence暴力让我们暂时和平
1199But where do the political ends meet the peace deal chooses to offer peace as a choice to Palestinian side但政治目标在哪里实现 和平协议选择提供和平 作为巴勒斯坦方面的选择
1200Which only deepens power imbalance structural inequalities and therefore reiterates the idea of us versus them这只会加剧权力失衡 结构不平等, 因此重申 我们的想法与它们
1201the colonizers versus the colonized I殖民者与殖民者
1202Believe and this house believes that Israel has never truly pursued相信,这所房子相信,以色列从来没有真正追求
1203Genuine peace with Palestine because it has constantly feared accountability与巴勒斯坦真正和平,因为巴勒斯坦一直担心问责制
1204But but let me also at the same time safely contradict my statement但让我同时安全地反驳我的话
1205What is there to fear about when the Trump regime is backing you?当特朗普政权支持你时,有什么可担心的?
1206The greatest irony is that it claims to fear security risks while simultaneously justifying killings最讽刺的是,它声称害怕安全风险,同时为杀人辩护。
1207Expanding settlements and conducting military actions on the land that requires nothing more than扩大定居点和在土地上采取军事行动,只要
1208statehood and sovereignty as the basis of a lasting peace agreement国家地位和主权作为持久和平协定的基础
1209Lastly, we are not advocating for peace as a privilege to be granted at will最后,我们不主张以和平作为随意给予的特权。
1210We are demanding it as a human right.我们要求将此作为一项人权。
1211Thank you so much.非常感谢
1212Ladies and gentlemen女士们,先生们
1213I now look for a speech on opposition.我现在想发表一篇关于反对的演讲。
1214I turn to the gentleman at the back there我转过身去找后面那位先生
1215Hi, I'm gonna keep my my speech short嗨,我会保持我的演讲短
1216You had a map on you I forget your name sure actually你身上有地图 我忘了你的名字
1217Okay, so I I have two points to make one is about this map.好吧,我还有两点要说 就是这个地图
1218I just want to question one thing我只想问一件事
1219What what Palestine is I guess?我猜测巴勒斯坦是什么?
1220Was conceived to be in this map and listen and the sincerity of of your point in raising this被设想在这个地图上 听和你的诚意 提出这一点
1221And then I'll just talk about the camp David accords very briefly sorry camp David rather very briefly然后我只谈戴维营协议 非常简短的抱歉戴维营
1222So this map here as far as所以这里的地图是
1223You know under the Ottomans你知道在奥斯曼人之下
1224the British owned about the Jews英国人拥有犹太人
1225owned about拥有
12265.67 percent of the land and as far as I understand it5.67%的土地,据我所知
1227Arabs owned阿拉伯人拥有
1228About 17 to 18 maybe 19 percent of the land that means roughly, you know大约17到18 大约19%的土地 大致意味着,你知道的
122975 percent of the land is state-owned75%的土地为国有
1230So the green thing here, I question you is asked what it means is state-owned land, you know between two houses who owns the street所以这里的绿色事物,我怀疑你被问到 它意味着什么是国有土地, 你知道两栋房子 谁拥有街道
1231but so不过是这样
1232Then in the next map然后在下一个地图中
1233Well, you have the proposed UN partition plan which was rejected那么,你有一个拟议的 联合国分区计划 被拒绝
1234By by the Arabs and so the green thing then means something different right to the first first map由阿拉伯人和绿色的东西 意味着不同的东西 对第一地图的权利
1235the third is when第三个是什么时候
1236Well after the war战争结束后
1237was even
1238Well, Jordan owns the took over the West Bank嗯,约旦拥有 接管西岸
1239and Egypt took over Gaza埃及接管了加沙
1240And here you have a mishmash of things from the Oslo Accords settlements这里有奥斯陆协议定居点的迷信
1241In Gaza here这里的加沙
1242But what the key thing is that I don't think this map is in good faith但关键是 这地图没有诚意
1243Simply because the green things in each part one is a proposition仅仅因为每一部分的绿色事物 是一个命题
1244One is you know, arguably depending on on how you look at the philosophy of land ownership其中一个是你知道, 可能取决于你如何看待土地所有权的哲学
1245You could say, you know Arab land state-owned land question mark你可以说,你知道阿拉伯土地 国有土地问题标记
1246Here represents a proposition here represents what what Jordan took over and here it represents这里代表着约旦接管的事物,
1247something else so and and I would其他的,我会
1248Like ask people to think about that.譬如问众生想.
1249Yeah
1250I mean if there is one thing wrong if you like or disconcordant here, I think it should be raised the other thing我的意思是,如果有一件事是错的,如果你喜欢 或不协调在这里,我认为它应该 提起另一件事
1251And I encourage everyone to look up this map and check me我鼓励大家查一下地图,看看我
1252And go and look at it yourselves because it's an oft quoted map and I I think it's intensive and actually misleading.自己去看一下,因为它是一张被引用的地图, 我认为它很密集,实际上是误导。
1253Okay还好
1254second thing is第二点是
1255We're talking about, you know for the the opposition you need who are going to speak next you need one counterexample, right?我们谈论的是,你知道, 对于反对派,你需要 谁要去说话 接下来你需要一个反例,对不对?
1256To win win this motion要赢得这个动议
1257Just one就一个
1258Okay.摆
1259So look at the the peace process that probably got furthest which is arguably camp David and tabah看看可能最遥远的和平进程 可以说是戴维营和塔卡营
1260there been some some some funny comments between之间有一些有趣的评论
1261Barack Clinton巴拉克·克林顿
1262And yes, Arafat and I would encourage a是的,阿拉法特和我鼓励
1263Discussion on that rather than kind of so much pathos so much emotion so much rhetoric讨论这个,而不是那种 这么多的病态 这么多的情感,这么多的言辞
1264You know你知道吗
1265Yeah, thank you.谢谢
1266I now look for another speech on proposition.我现在想再谈一个提议。
1267I call upon the brother there.我请那兄弟来
1268I一、导 言
1269Am not a philosophy student, I'm a medical doctor from Gaza我不是哲学学生 我是加沙的医生
1270The gentleman here tried to explain what truly means truly truly means but I would like to explain it from my side先生试图解释什么才是真正的意义 但我想从我这边解释
1271Truly for me means what I witnessed first hand as a medical doctor对我来说,真的意味着我作为医生亲眼目睹的
1272Palestinian having lived all my life巴勒斯坦人一生都活在我身边
1273Inside the Gaza Strip about 700 meters just next to the Israeli border加沙地带内靠近以色列边界700米
1274truly means真正意味着
1275the atrocities I witnessed at al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in我在阿克萨烈士医院目睹的暴行
1276The eight and eight hundred hours.八八百时.
1277I volunteered there during the genocide before I evacuated Gaza in在种族灭绝期间,我自愿前往那里,然后撤离加沙
1278My first night shift how many times I我的第一个夜班 多少次我
1279Three minutes.三分钟
1280Okay in my first night shift at the hospital.好,我在医院的第一个夜班。
1281I一、导 言
1282counted计数
1283Small brain.小脑.
1284Where was the gentleman who served this one?侍奉这位的先生呢?
1285I counted small brains and eyes with my bare hands of children and I counted 15我赤手空拳地数着小脑和眼睛,我数着15个
1286And maybe you served as well砛琌
1287Okay, I counted 15好吧,我数了15个
1288Brains大脑
1289ears and eyes of耳朵和眼睛都一样
1290Children you can't can we ask can I ask can I ask can I ask order order order?孩子们,你不能问,我能问 我可以问,我可以问,我可以问 命令令?
1291I counted them with my bare hands order我赤手空拳地数着
1292To all speakers to all speakers to all speakers.全体发言者发言。
1293Okay order in the chamber this include my sister's husband sister Manal房间的秩序 包括我妹妹的丈夫的妹妹玛纳尔
1294She left with her in-laws她和婆婆一起离开了
1295There were 50 members family in a three-story house有50个家庭成员 在三层楼的房子
1296Pelt with cement on the dawn of 13th of October10月13日拂晓时装有水泥的皮带
12972023 we woke up to a bombardment next to the house that we were displaced to2023年,我们醒来,在房子旁边的轰炸,我们被赶到
1298The 50 members of the family wiped out of the ground家里的50个成员都从地上消失
1299We dug them out from the ground with three items only left of them我们从地上挖出来,只留下三个东西
1300The skull of the only blonde daughter who was the the best friend of my niece唯一的金发女儿的头骨 是我侄女最好的朋友
1301the head of the grandfather who flew that which flew to the other neighborhood as将飞到另一个街区的爷爷的头
1302Well as the ring finger of Manal就像马纳尔的戒指
1303Whom my which my sister recognized because she bought the ring with her three days before a week before我妹妹认识的我是谁 因为她三天前就用戒指买了戒指
1304Talking about the grandmother of the IOF soldier here.说到IOF战士的祖母
1305He said that his grandmother他说他的祖母
1306Was sleep is sleeping on the streets.睡在街头
1307I just want to talk about my grandmother我只想谈谈我奶奶的事
1308Here's my grandmother here我奶奶来了
1309She gave her full testimony to a British author and writer她向一位英国作家 提供了她的全部证词
1310complete in完成于
1311Mutual writer and author共同写作者和作者
1312She gave her her full testimony.她给了她完整的证词.
1313She was a teenager in 19481948年她还是个少年
1314she gave testimonies about她作证说
1315In 1948 my first I lost about over 200 members of my family1948年,我第一次失去了大约200多家人
1316started from 1948 and she said to give testimonies about pregnant women being stabbed and1948年开始,她说,她的证词 孕妇被刺伤,
1317They're out in their billies and the nebulous in the nebulous of days of those pregnant women cut off and they were left to die被砍掉的孕妇 被丢弃而死
1318How much time do I have left?我还剩多少时间?
1319Okay, not your mess好吧,不是你的烂摊子
1320Just arguing the existence of Palestine, which is not the argument here today.只是争论巴勒斯坦的存在,这不是今天这里的论点。
1321This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard这是我听过最荒谬的争论
1322Okay, it does not even deserve the slightest response好吧,它甚至不值得 一丁点反应
1323But my the memories I got from my grandmother the stories she told me over the years但我从祖母那得到的回忆 她多年来告诉我的故事
1324They are engraved my brain他们雕刻着我的大脑
1325What about her childhood?她的童年怎么办?
1326She spent years and years of teenage years and childhood intense and sleeping under bullets她度过了很多年的少年期 童年时期的紧张 睡在子弹下
1327The best time for Israel to prove that they truly need one piece is during a ceasefire以色列证明他们真正需要一点的最佳时机是在停火期间
1328My friend Mohammed al Habibi.我的朋友穆罕默德・哈比比
1329He's a medical student他是医科生
1330He was shot and killed while he was doing his placements Lamia Abu Salah my classmate他被枪杀了 在他做他的安置 Lamia Abu Salah 我的同学
1331She was standing with a lab coat holding her books in front of the European General Hospital inside of Gaza她站在加沙的欧洲总医院前,穿着一件实验室大衣,拿着她的书。
1332And she was shot in the head a little girl just days ago几天前她头部中枪 一个小女孩
1333She was shot in the head during the ceasefire while carrying a bucket of water在停火期间,她头部中弹,当时她携带一桶水
1334Just to finish my speech I为了完成我的演讲
1335Fled throughout my life.我这辈子都飞了
1336I fled my house.我逃离了我的房子。
1337I remember at least five我记得至少五个
1338Times every year from bombardments even during two truces.每年有两次休战 轰炸时都会发生
1339Okay, my house at the moment has been annexed好吧,我的房子现在已经被吞并了
1340Officially and is now military base正式成为军事基地
1341Thank you.谢谢
1342Thank you for that speech.谢谢你的演讲
1343I now call upon a final floor speaker on side opposition.我现在请反对方最后发言。
1344I一、导 言
1345Look to the woman at the back看着后面的女人
1346Can I please ask if you are not giving a floor speech that you remain seated?请问,如果你没有发言,表示你仍然坐在座位上?
1347Thank you, madam chair谢谢,椅子女士
1348There are many things I could say but I only have what three minutes.我有很多话可以说 但我只有三分钟
1349Oh, yeah
1350All right.好吧,我们走。
1351I only have three minutes.我只有三分钟
1352So I'll get straight to the point我直说吧
1353I'd like to address one pressing concern which one concern which I found particularly pressing我想谈谈一个紧迫的问题,我认为这是特别紧迫的问题。
1354There's been a lot of discussion by some speakers on the proposition side of what of the horrors that they have committed一些演讲者在提议方面 讨论了很多 他们所犯下的恐怖
1355But there's been a severe lack of clarity about who exactly they are但对于他们究竟是谁, 一直严重缺乏清晰度
1356Are they the Likud party or is it the Israeli government the IDF?他们是利库德党,还是以色列政府是以色列国防军?
1357the opposition speakers the entire Israeli population Jews Arabs Christians犹太阿拉伯人基督徒
1358Druze Muslims Bedouin or perhaps it's only the Jews perhaps.德鲁兹穆斯林贝都因人 或可能是犹太人
1359It's all Jews都是犹太人
1360There's been a complete lack of clarity and this lack of clarity has allowed完全没有清晰度,这种模糊度使得
1361the proposition side to make an equation between the worst of the提议方在最坏的
1362Israeli military and government and the entire diverse nation以色列军方和政府以及整个不同民族
1363I'd like to give one example, which I think illustrates the folly of making this equation and its absurdity我想举一个例子,我想这说明 制作这个方程式的愚蠢和荒谬
1364In 1982 in the wake of the Israeli military invasion of Lebanon1982年,在以色列军队入侵黎巴嫩之后
1365thousands of Palestinian refugees were massacred by the Lebanese Christian in an Israeli controlled refugee camp were massacred by the数千名巴勒斯坦难民在以色列控制的难民营被黎巴嫩基督教徒屠杀。
1366Lebanese Christian phalangist黎巴嫩基督教长者
1367militia group and民兵团体和
1368in Tel Aviv特拉维夫
1369the Israelis were以色列人曾经是
1370the majority of the population of Israel was以色列大多数人口是:
1371infuriated by this act of senseless violence被这种毫无意义的暴力行为激怒
1372400 protesters organized by the peace now activist group400名抗议者,
1373Protested in Tel Aviv and this was 10% of the population at the time 10% of the Israeli population在特拉维夫抗议,这占当时以色列人口的10%
1374They give how many people would have protested would have been there if they could have made it if they could have gotten off work他们给了多少人抗议 如果他们能去上班的话 会在那里抗议的
1375Perhaps if their children hadn't had to be watched at the same time也许如果他们的孩子没有同时被监视
1376This is 10% of the population and I'll just end with their words.这是人口的10%,我只用他们的话结束。
1377Um, they sung a song for peace and他们唱了一首和平之歌
1378I'll ask you to consider as I read off some stanzas from this song whether a nation in which 10% of the population gathered请各位考虑一下,我从这首歌中读到一些动画, 是否是一个10%的人口聚集在一起的国家。
1379to protest抗议
1380反对对呼吁Menachem Begin和Ariel Sharon辞职的巴勒斯坦人的暴力行为
1381Whether this is a nation which never truly wanted peace这是否是一个从未真正希望和平的国家
1382Sing a song for peace为和平唱首歌
1383Don't whisper a prayer just sing a song for peace in a loud shout不要低声祷告 只为和平而歌唱
1384Lift your eyes with hope not through the rifle sight以希望抬起你的眼睛 不通过步枪的视线
1385Sing a song for love and not for wars为爱唱一首歌,不是战争
1386Don't say the day will come bring on that day because it is not a dream and in all the city squares cheer only for peace不要说那一天会来临 因为那天不是梦 在所有的城市广场上 只为和平欢呼
1387Thank you谢谢
1388Thank you for those floor speeches.谢谢你的演讲
1389The winner of tonight's floor speech will be announced later on今晚的演讲获胜者将在稍后宣布
1390I now call upon the fourth speaker on proposition professor Elon Pappé我现在请第四位提案发言人埃隆·帕佩教授发言。
1391I am glad to see that the Israelis haven't taken all the water as they do in the West Bank.我很高兴看到以色列人没有像他们在西岸那样把水都拿走。
1392I一、导 言
1393Also want to congratulate the Union for creating the climatic conditions we have in Palestine我还要祝贺联盟创造了我们在巴勒斯坦的气候条件。
1394Which makes it easier to be in touch with reality这使得更容易接触现实
1395Let me start by saying that here is a proposition for peace after hearing him首先让我说,这是在听到他的声音后提出的和平建议。
1396I'm sure the Iraqi government effect.我敢肯定,伊拉克政府的效果。
1397It already made such a statement它已经作了这样的发言。
1398Would welcome you and your family back to Iraq and let Rada and Arwa and her family欢迎你和你的家人回到伊拉克 让拉达和阿尔瓦和她的家人
1399Go back to Palestine.滚回巴勒斯坦去
1400Here is an idea for peace这儿有个和平的主意
1401now现在
1402Jews in the Arab world Jews in the Arab world阿拉伯世界的犹太人 阿拉伯世界的犹太人
1403Never thought that any in any difficult moment in their history before the arrival of Zionism在锡安主义到来之前 从未想到他们历史上的任何困难时刻
1404Did not ever thought that any solution for a difficult time that they might have had is the establishment从来没有想过任何解决方案 在他们可能已经有一个困难时期 是建立
1405Of a Jewish state in Palestine at the expense of the Palestinians以牺牲巴勒斯坦人为代价的巴勒斯坦犹太国家
1406When Zionism arrived shut up when the Zionism arrived当锡安主义到来时 闭口不谈锡安主义
1407Then the relationship between Jews I refuse to answer然后犹太人的关系 我拒绝回答
1408Another speaker to shut up when they raise a point of information.另一位发言者在提出信息时要闭嘴。
1409I did not hear shut up我没有听到闭嘴
1410Sorry, excuse me order对不起,打扰一下
1411Yeah, anyway, I won't say it again I remind all speakers to discuss with one another是啊,无论如何,我不会再说了 我提醒所有发言者 讨论彼此
1412Thank you谢谢
1413so when Zionism appeared then the relationship deteriorated between所以当锡安主义出现的时候 关系恶化了
1414The Jewish communities and the Muslim communities and the Christian communities in the Arab world阿拉伯世界的犹太社区、穆斯林社区和基督教社区
1415Zionism was not only a disaster for the Palestinians犹太复国主义不仅是巴勒斯坦人的灾难
1416It was a disaster for the Arab world and it was disaster for the Arab Jews who lived in the Arab world这是对阿拉伯世界的灾难 对生活在阿拉伯世界的阿拉伯犹太人的灾难
1417Refused被拒绝
1418the联合国
1419Motion that we have today goes beyond the question我们今天提出的动议超出了问题的范围
1420Does Israel want peace or doesn't want peace?以色列想要和平还是不要和平?
1421The question is far more important这个问题要重要得多
1422What does Israel want and以色列想要什么,以及
1423What do we do knowing what Israel wants not in 1980?我们知道以色列1980年不想做什么吗?
1424not in没有在
14251990 what Israel wants today1990年 以色列今天想要的东西
1426Today there are six million refugees今天有600万难民
1427because of Israel of the current government of Israel由于以色列现任政府
1428two millions in Gaza Strip in the West Bank one million in Lebanon and西岸加沙地带的200万人口
1429Three million in the greater Tehran area大德黑兰地区300万
1430Is this the kind of state that we have to discuss whether it wants peace or isn't that a state that wants to destroy?这是那种国家,我们必须讨论它是否想要和平,还是想要摧毁它?
1431to occupy占用
1432to dispossess丢弃
1433Isn't this a state that endangers not only the life of Palestinians and Lebanese in the South?这难道不是不仅危及南部巴勒斯坦人和黎巴嫩人的生命吗?
1434it endangers the stability of the Middle East and它危及中东的稳定
1435Further afield it is now a state that endangers the whole更进一步,它现在是一个危及整个国家的状态
1436International system of justice and order so when you vote today今天投票时的国际司法和秩序
1437You're not voting only on the question does Israel want peace or not you are voting.你不只是在这个问题上投票 以色列是否想要和平?
1438What do we do with such an aggressive?我们怎么对付这种侵略者?
1439dangerous危险
1440political regime政权
1441that every day is responsible for the killing of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip in the West Bank in每天都要对西岸加沙地带的巴勒斯坦人
1442South Lebanon and黎巴嫩南部和
1443threatens the stability and the peace of people all over the region威胁整个区域人民的稳定和和平
1444You are also voting for something else你也投了别的东西
1445You are voting to the motion that is hidden within this idea你对这个想法中隐藏的动议投了票
1446That Israel is an apartheid state very much as claimed by the Human Rights Watch人权观察社宣称,以色列是一个种族隔离国家。
1447organization组织
1448Amnesty International and Israeli human rights, but selling大赦国际和以色列人权,但出售
1449Can you imagine a debate in the Oxford Union at the heyday of apartheid South Africa?你能想象一下,在南非种族隔离的兴盛时期,牛津联盟会举行一场辩论吗?
1450with a cheering leader group kind of cheering group that supports apartheid and一个欢呼的领袖团体 那种欢呼团体 支持种族隔离和
1451votes for apartheid对种族隔离的投票
1452Surely you are you have enough modicum of decency in you to vote against the current Israel当然,你有足够的 一点点的体面 你投票反对目前的以色列
1453Don't think only about the past the current Israel is an apartheid state不要只考虑过去 以色列现在是一个种族隔离国家
1454Sedna apartheid state that is now现在的塞德纳种族隔离州
1455threatening a whole region and威胁整个区域,
1456Already the civil societies around the world including a large number of Jews包括大量犹太人在内的全世界民间社会
1457Find the government's indifference and in some cases找出政府的冷漠态度 在某些情况下
1458complicity with this state and与该州共谋,
1459Unacceptable this is what took 1 million young Italians to the street in Rome令人无法接受的是 罗马有100万意大利年轻人走上街头
1460This is why we had a 1 million demonstrations in London所以我们在伦敦举行了100万次示威
1461These are not anti-semitic people as some of them are also Jews.这些不是反弥撒的人,因为有些人也是犹太人。
1462They're not self-hating Jews他们不是自恨的犹太人
1463These are people who understand what injustice means and they are fighting with all they can这些人明白不公正意味着什么 他们正在竭尽所能地战斗
1464against this反对
1465injustice the fact that事实的不公正:
1466Zionism started as a colonialist project is锡安主义开始于一个殖民主义项目
1467the crux of the matter问题的关键
1468when何时
1469Theodore Herzl was going around the world trying to recruit西奥多·赫兹尔环游世界试图招募
1470Support for the Zionist project.支持犹太复国主义计划。
1471He wrote to Cecile Rhodes one of the biggest British colonialists他写信给塞西尔·罗兹 英国最大的殖民主义者之一
1472Who created Rhodesia?谁创造了罗得西亚?
1473I want to interest you in another colonialist project我想对另一个殖民计划感兴趣
1474namely the colonization of殖民化和殖民化
1475Palestine when in 1900 the Zionists forced Congress巴勒斯坦1900年犹太复国主义者强迫国会
1476convened in London在伦敦召开
1477They proudly他们很自豪
1478displayed显示
1479Products from in their words from the Zionist colonies in Palestine来自巴勒斯坦犹太复国主义殖民地的产品
1480colonialism when Zionism started was not a dirty word and当锡安主义开始的时候,殖民主义并不是一个肮脏的词,
1481Therefore Zionists use it without any problem when colonialism became a problem from a PR因此,当殖民主义从公关变成问题时,犹太复国主义者毫无问题地使用它。
1482Perspective then suddenly the whole narrative of Israel changed.然后,以色列的整个叙述突然改变。
1483We were not colonialists.我们不是殖民主义者。
1484We were a liberation movement我们是解放运动
1485We fought against the British我们对抗英国人
1486We were returning to our homeland, but the early Zionists understood我们回到了我们的家园, 但早期的犹太复国主义者理解
1487that only with violence and coercion只有暴力和胁迫
1488they can plant at the heart of the Arab world a他们可以栽培在阿拉伯世界的中心
1489European Jewish state and if you want me and if you want to maintain it if you want to maintain it欧洲犹太国家,如果你想要我, 如果你想维护它,如果你想要维护它
1490You have to use more你要多用点
1491Coercion more violence of course there is resistance of the indigenous population of course当然,还存在对土著居民的反抗。
1492There is an anti-colonialist struggle and anti-colonialist struggles in history are not a walk in the Rosengarden历史上有反殖民主义的斗争 反殖民主义的斗争不是在罗森花园的散步
1493Yes, they can be violent themselves是的,他们自己会很暴力
1494But this is a cycle of violence that begins with the colonization not with the anti-colonialist但这是从殖民开始的暴力循环 而不是反殖民主义
1495Reaction so when you are voting today think about this whole tragic idea really that反应,所以当你今天投票的时候, 想这个整个悲剧的想法,真的
1496Indeed Jews were persecuted Jews were suffering from事实上,犹太人受到迫害 犹太人遭受
1497Genocide in Europe they were suffering from anti-semitism欧洲的种族灭绝 他们遭受了反分裂主义
1498but was the solution to但解决了
1499plant at the heart of the Arab world at the heart of the Muslim world a European Jewish state on the在阿拉伯世界的核心地区 在穆斯林世界的核心地区 建立欧洲犹太国家
1500on the编辑
1501Bionnets on the on the bayonets on the on the bayonets of the British Empire大英帝国刺刀上的刺刀网
1502Apologies a point of order has been raised对不起,有人提出程序问题
1503Because you are disrupting me every two minutes因为你每两分钟打搅我一次
1504I didn't like I didn't like what you said sorry one second and I did it我不喜欢你刚才说的话 对不起,我做了
1505Professor教授
1506Can I please ask if a point of information is raised and you would not like to take a point of information you can我能否问一下,如果有人提出一个问题,而你不愿提出一个问题?
1507Just say no.只要说不。
1508Thank you谢谢
1509Can I also ask that you do not repeatedly ask points of information one after another if they are rejected and that is preference我还想问你,如果一个接一个地问问题,如果问题被拒绝,那就不要反复问。
1510Thank you, yeah, I know it's not easy to hear the truth now谢谢,是的,我知道现在听真相并不容易
1511This is a project that had to be maintained by force这是一个必须用武力维持的项目
1512this kind of idea and you needed the British bayonets the British power so when这种想法,你需要英国刺刀 英国的力量,所以当
1513Someone shows you you see the the football team was Jewish有人让你看到橄榄球队是犹太人
1514The currency was Jewish货币是犹太人的
1515the posters were Jewish of course they were because Britain was behind it not because the majority of the people were那些海报当然是犹太人 因为英国是幕后黑手 而不是因为大多数人都是犹太人
1516Palestinians and objected to the idea of the Jewish state the Palestinians from the very beginning of巴勒斯坦人并从一开始就反对巴勒斯坦人建立犹太国家的想法。
1517the Zionist project犹太复国主义项目
1518insisted on two principles and you can see it in all their坚持两个原则,你可以看到它在所有的
1519Motions given to the various inquiry commissions that came one after the other先后向各个调查委员会提出的动议
1520They insisted on two principles with the West claimed it他们坚持两项原则 西方宣称
1521exported to the Middle East in order to show that after 400 years of Ottoman rule now the Middle East can move to a为了证明在奥斯曼统治了400年后 中东现在可以走向
1522more enlightened更开明
1523Progressive westernized future one principle was democracy.逐步西方化的未来是民主原则。
1524The other principle was self-determination另一项原则是自决
1525The Palestinians said great巴勒斯坦人说得很好
1526We are for democracy我们是支持民主的
1527Let us vote of what Palestine should be when they were 90%让我们投票决定巴勒斯坦在90%的时候应该是什么样子
1528Let us allow us to have self-determination as you promised and they promised in November 1918让我们像你们在1918年11月承诺的那样实现自决
1529Britain and France promised five英国和法国承诺五
1530Peoples in the Arab world and one of them was the Palestinians to that they will respect the rightful self-determination阿拉伯世界的人民和其中之一是巴勒斯坦人,他们将尊重正当的自决。
1531on the ground itself地面上的活动
1532Britain allowed the Zionist project to totally destroy the Palestinian aspiration for democracy and the Palestinian aspiration英国允许犹太复国主义计划完全摧毁巴勒斯坦的民主愿望和巴勒斯坦的愿望
1533for self-determination自决
1534It makes sense if you think about it if you build a state in 1948 and you want it to be both Jewish and如果你在1948年建立一个国家 想要它既犹太又犹太
1535Democratic, what do you do if the majority of the people are not Jewish?民主派,如果大多数人不是犹太人,你会怎么做?
1536You downsize the electorate by ethnically cleansing them in 1948你通过1948年的种族清洗来缩小选民人数
1537so you go to the first election in 1949 knowing you don't have to fear the contradiction between the idea of所以你去参加1949年的首次选举 知道你不必担心
1538democracy and the reality of demography民主与人口现实
1539This is the whole就是这样
1540nature of what we call liberal Zionism我们称之为自由犹太复国主义的性质
1541That the sense that you can reconcile somehow to have an ethnic racist state and still be loyal to universal values一种感觉,你可以调和 拥有一个种族种族主义国家 仍然忠于普世价值观
1542Such as democracy or socialism or liberalism.例如民主或社会主义或自由主义.
1543I ask you not only to vote today我不仅要求你今天投票
1544For the motion.为了动议
1545I ask you to think seriously with your representative in the Parliament in the government请你好好考虑一下 在议会中你的代表
1546What does it mean that Israel is an apartheid state?以色列是一个种族隔离国家是什么意思?
1547What should the British government do in order not to mediate between Jews and Arabs but to save the英国政府应该做什么 来不调解犹太人和阿拉伯人之间的事 而是拯救
1548Palestinians from further巴勒斯坦人继续
1549ethnic cleansing族裔清洗
1550Genocide and dispossession you will be on the right side of history and you do it种族灭绝和剥夺,你会站在历史的正确一边,你做它
1551So go under out in the right door so that you will be at peace with yourself所以从右门下去 这样你就能安心了
1552And you could say to the next generation你可以对下一代说
1553I was there in Oxford and I showed my moral constitution my moral courage and I was not我当时在牛津,我展现了道德的勇气,我没有
1554afraid of intimidation and provocation害怕恐吓和挑衅
1555by people who have the由拥有
1556Courage today really I admire it to stand for an apartheid state.今天的勇气,我真的很钦佩它 代表种族隔离国家。
1557Thank you谢谢
1558I now look to the fourth speaker on opposition.我现在请第四位关于反对的发言者发言。
1559Ms. Inat will伊纳特女士
1560So I will take the good advice of the young student here who said that here所以我会听从这位年轻学生的好建议 他在这里说过
1561People discuss the proposition and the proposition only they do not make up new propositions人们讨论这个提议和这个提议,只是他们没有组成新的提议.
1562And you only have to actually prove the counter case and this is what I will proceed to do你只需要证明这个案子 我就这么做
1563No yelling just facts不要大喊大叫,只是事实
1564Israel wanted peace以色列想要和平
1565truly痷
1566repeatedly and yet from the minutes the United Nations voted for the partition plan in联合国从表决记录中一再投票支持分治计划。
15671947 we have been under attack the Arabs threatened to use force to prevent the1947年我们遭到袭击 阿拉伯人威胁要使用武力阻止
1568Establishment of a Jewish state on any part of our homeland and they proceeded to make good on that threat在我们家园的任何地方建立一个犹太国家,他们开始消除这一威胁
1569And what did the partition plan call for?分治计划要求什么?
1570Anyway, was it some grave injustice to the Arabs?总之,这是对阿拉伯人的严重不公正吗?
1571No没有
1572most of the fertile land was to go to what would have become a大部分肥沃的土地是去一个
1573Palestinian Arab state while the Jewish state would have been relegated to three pieces of barely contiguous巴勒斯坦的阿拉伯国家,而犹太国家将沦为三块几乎无法毗连的
1574Mostly Arab non-arable territory and yet the Jews to this said yes大部分是阿拉伯的不可辩驳的领土,然而犹太人对此说是的
1575But the Arabs said no because even that was too much even that much但阿拉伯人拒绝,因为即使这样也太过分了
1576Self-determination for the Jews was too much because the idea of Jews being equal犹太人的自决太过分了 因为犹太人平等的想法
1577Sovereign that's the problem that the Arabs had because you spoke of the norm in the Arab world这就是阿拉伯人的问题 因为你谈到阿拉伯世界的规范
1578Yes, the Jews the Christians could live in harmony as long as they knew their lower place是的,犹太人基督徒只要知道他们的下层地位 就能和睦相处
1579And when they dared imagine themselves equal with a backbone当他们胆敢想象自己与一个骨干一样
1580Sovereign masters of their fate命运的主人
1581Indeed that was the problem as soon as Jews dared事实上,只要犹太人敢于
1582imagined themselves equal than violence was to follow.想象自己会跟暴力一样
1583And indeed the Palestinian Arab militias事实上,巴勒斯坦阿拉伯民兵
1584attacked and then in May 1948 every Arab nation surrounding us and beyond invaded.1948年5月,我们周围的每一个阿拉伯国家入侵。
1585And this is这是
1586the only reason why there were any refugees from that war.是战争中难民的唯一原因
1587The only reason, gada.唯一的原因,加达。
1588Israel managed to以色列设法
1589survive the 1948 Arab war and we would have been happy to just live in peace.在1948年的阿拉伯战争中幸存下来,我们本来会乐于过上和平的生活。
1590Remember at the end记得最后
1591of the 1948 war Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt administered Gaza.约旦吞并西岸,埃及管理加沙。
1592It's in your map.在你的地图上
1593There那边
1594was nothing, absolutely nothing to prevent them from creating one more Arab state on these没有任何东西阻止他们再建立一个阿拉伯国家。
1595for the Palestinians.对巴勒斯坦人而言。
1596They did not.他们没有。
1597Instead they chose to continue the war against Israel,他们选择继续对以色列的战争,
1598which is how Israel came to control the West Bank and Gaza.这就是以色列如何控制西岸和加沙的原因。
1599It was not some aggressive land grab.这不是侵略性的土地掠夺。
1600It was after multiple Arab armies surrounded us again and in May 1967 announced to their credit,那是在多支阿拉伯军队再次包围我们之后 1967年5月他们宣布
1601they were clear, this is our chance Arabs to deal Israel a mortal blow of annihilation.他们很清楚,这是我们的机会 阿拉伯人对付以色列 一个致命的毁灭。
1602And this is这是
1603when we didn't control the West Bank and Gaza.我们没有控制西岸和加沙
1604Israel won that war in six days.以色列在六天内赢得了这场战争。
1605But even then但即使这样
1606we offered peace, making it as the legendary ambassador Abba Eban said, I think he went to正如传奇大使阿巴·埃班所说,我们提供了和平。
1607Cambridge.剑桥.
1608I heard it's somewhat better.我听说这样好多了
1609I went there.我去过那里。
1610Riley observed that this was莱利观察到
1611the first war in history that on the morrow the victors sued for peace and the vanquish demanded历史上第一次战争,在明天胜利者 起诉和平和胜利者要求
1612unconditional surrender.无条件投降
1613Sound familiar?听起来熟悉吗?
1614And what was the Arab and Palestinian response to Israel阿拉伯和巴勒斯坦对以色列的反应是什么?
1615offering peace?提供和平?
1616No to peace with Israel, no to recognition of Israel, no to negotiations.反对与以色列和平相处,反对承认以色列,反对谈判.
1617But we still hoped for peace.但我们仍然希望和平。
1618So we entered the also peace process in 1993.因此,我们在1993年也进入了和平进程。
1619I was euphoric.我很兴奋。
1620This这个
1621is the euphoria of the people who want peace.是希望和平的人们的喜悦。
1622And in September 2000, just when many Israelis,2000年9月,许多以色列人,
1623including myself, truly believed that a two state solution was closed, Palestinians launched包括我在内,真正相信两国解决方案已经关闭,巴勒斯坦人发起
1624the second Intifada escalating into a brutal campaign of suicide bombings that left over 1,000第二次起义升级为残酷的自杀性爆炸运动,造成1 000多人
1625Israelis shred to bloody pieces with thousands more maimed for life.以色列人将数千人终身致残,
1626Yet through all that,然而通过这一切,
1627when in December 2000, President Bill Clinton put a peace deal on the table当2000年12月比尔·克林顿总统提出和平协议时
1628that would have given the Palestinians all of Gaza, 96% of the West Bank with comparable这样就能使整个加沙的巴勒斯坦人,96%的西岸拥有类似的土地;
1629line swaps from within Israel, no settlements in case that was the problem, safe passage between在以色列境内互换边界线,没有定居点以防问题出现,安全通行
1630the two territories, most of the old city, Arab East Jerusalem for a capital and an international阿拉伯-东耶路撒冷作为首都和
1631force replacing the IDF on the West Bank.部队取代西岸的以色列国防军。
1632It was Israel that said, yes, there was no是以色列说,是的,没有
1633excuse for the Palestinians not to take the deal.以巴勒斯坦人不接受交易为借口。
1634None.无。
1635But the Palestinians led by Yasser Arafat但亚西尔·阿拉法特领导的巴勒斯坦人
1636walked away choosing instead to continue blowing us up through suicide bombings.却选择继续用自杀炸弹炸我们
1637It is known that众所周知,
1638and who you are appears when you make choices.当你做出选择时,你是谁?
1639That was a clear choice.这是一个明确的选择。
1640Israel said, yes,以色列说,是的,
1641the Palestinians walked away.巴勒斯坦人走开了。
1642Ultimately, this led, there was no excuse, sorry,最终,这导致, 没有借口,对不起,
1643to continue blowing us up through suicide bombings.继续用自杀式炸弹炸我们
1644It is those suicide bombings ultimately是那些自杀性爆炸
1645that led to the construction of the security barrier, checkpoints, roadblocks in the West导致在西部修建安全屏障、检查站和路障
1646Bank, which thankfully brought for a while an end to the strain of the bloody terror later.银行 感谢它暂时结束了 血腥恐怖的压力
1647You would think that we would get the message, but no.你会认为我们会得到消息,但不行。
1648In 2008, it was Israel through Prime2008年,以色列通过总理
1649Minister Olmert who made yet another peace offer, a near total Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank奥尔默特部长再次提出和平提议,以色列几乎全部撤出西岸
1650with close to 100% line swaps, no settlements.接近100%的换行,没有结算。
1651Again, if that was a problem, they could have再说一遍,如果有问题,他们可以
1652negotiated away a link to the Gaza Strip, Arab East Jerusalem is capital of Palestine.阿拉伯东耶路撒冷是巴勒斯坦的首都。
1653Israel would have given up sovereignty over all of the old city, including the single holiest site以色列本来会放弃对旧城包括唯一神圣的遗址的主权
1654to the Jewish people, the Temple Mount, which would be overseen by an international trusteeship.圣殿山将受到国际托管的监督
1655Again, there was no excuse for the Palestinians not to accept it.同样,巴勒斯坦人也没有任何借口不接受它。
1656None.无。
1657But under President Abbas,但在阿巴斯主席的领导下,
1658the Palestinians walked away from that too.巴勒斯坦人也放弃了这一点。
1659Israel even disengaged from Gaza in 2005,2005年以色列甚至从加沙脱离接触,
1660removing all settlements, allowing ourselves to believe that the later elected government of Hamas消除所有定居点,让我们相信哈马斯后来当选的政府
1661wanted to focus on improving their people's lives instead of destroying ours.想要专注于改善人民的生活 而不是摧毁我们的生活
1662We were so desperate我们太绝望了
1663to believe this that we ignored all the red flags, allowing numerous Gazans to enter Israel相信我们无视所有的红旗 让无数加沙人进入以色列
1664to work, study, and get specialized medical care.工作、学习和获得专门医疗。
1665But all this emphasis on economic development and但所有这些都强调经济发展和
1666work permits was part of a carefully built deception as Hamas leaders later boasted由于哈马斯领导人后来吹嘘,工作许可证是精心制造的欺骗的一部分。
1667to lull Israelis into thinking that they really were going to live calmly next to us,让以色列人相信 他们真的会平静地住在我们身边
1668minding their business.管好他们的事
1669Think of what a boasts this is by the Palestinians.想想巴勒斯坦人的夸夸其谈。
1670Ha ha, we led Israelis to believe that we're only minding our own business and taking care哈哈,我们让以色列人相信 我们只是在管自己的事,照顾自己
1671of our people.我们的人民。
1672But they were planning something very, very different.但他们在计划一些非常非常不同的事情。
1673On October 7th, 2023,2023年10月7日 (中文(简体) ).
16743,000 trained and armed Palestinians invaded Israel from Gaza.3 000名训练有素和武装的巴勒斯坦人从加沙入侵以色列。
1675Talk about expansionists.谈扩张主义者.
1676Much of the intelligence they relied on came from the very Palestinians we allowed into Israel大部分情报来自我们允许进入以色列的巴勒斯坦人
1677on work and study and medical permits.工作、学习和医疗许可。
1678They massacred.他们屠杀。
1679They pillaged.他们掠夺。
1680They engaged in acts他们从事的行为
1681of gleeful, euphoric, sadistic brutality, which I still lack the heart or the stomach to describe.欢乐、喜悦、虐待的残暴行为,我仍然缺乏描述这些行为的心或胃。
1682They took 251 hostages, elderly men, women, mothers, fathers, children, babies,他们劫持了251名人质 老年男子 妇女 母亲 父亲 儿童 婴儿
1683and it was not just trained militants.它不仅仅是训练有素的激进分子。
1684Thousands of so-called ordinary, innocent, civilian数千名所谓的普通、无辜的平民
1685Palestinians joined enthusiastically in the frenzy of manic violence, committing horrific巴勒斯坦人热情地加入疯狂暴力的狂热之中,犯下可怕的罪行。
1686acts of brutality.暴行。
1687And when the IDF went into Gaza, as they had to, to ensure that the Palestinians以色列国防军不得不进入加沙,以确保巴勒斯坦人
1688could never again do this to us, they found a completely weaponized landscape, tunnels running他们发现一个完全武器化的地貌 隧道在运行
1689under and opening into every house, mosque, hospital, school, and land filled with booby房子、清真寺、医院、学校和充满诱杀装置的土地
1690traps, making it impossible for us to fight without doing enormous later, doing enormous陷阱,让我们无法战斗 不做巨大的以后,做巨大的
1691damage to Gaza.加沙遭受的破坏。
1692Later, I promise.以后,我保证。
1693And Hamas, who remained hidden in the tunnels and in civilian和哈马斯, 隐藏在隧道和平民
1694clothing, designed it this way.衣服,是这样设计的。
1695These are the people you need to take your issues to.这是你需要的人 把你的问题。
1696This is what we were facing.这就是我们面对的。
1697So do not dare look at us and propose that Israel never truly wanted所以不要看我们 并提议以色列从来没有真正想要
1698peace with Palestine.与巴勒斯坦的和平。
1699If anything, we wanted it too much.如果有的话,我们想要的太多了。
1700We made offer after offer.我们出价后又出价
1701Later.再见
1702We made offer after offer after offer of peace.我们以和平为条件
1703We absorbed endless aggression,我们吸收了无尽的侵略
1704but we are not going to let ourselves be annihilated to convince you that we want peace.但我们不会让自己被毁灭 来说服你我们希望和平
1705And we will certainly not accept peace on any terms.我们当然不会接受任何条件的和平。
1706Some of you demand a one state solution你们中有些人要求一个州解决方案
1707and pretend that two peoples connected to the same land, but with distinct religions, values,并假装两个民族与同一个土地相连,但与不同的宗教、价值观相连,
1708cultures, languages, and histories who have never lived in peace will magically exist in从未和平生活过的文化、语言和历史将神奇地存在于
1709harmony if only they live in one state.和谐,只要他们生活在一个州。
1710And frankly, far too often this call for a one老实说,这个要求太频繁了
1711state solution is not naive or delusional.国家解决方案不是天真或妄想
1712I don't suspect you of that, but a carefully我不怀疑你,但小心一点
1713calculated attempt to rob Jews of the right to self-determination to be a free people蓄意企图剥夺犹太人的自决权,使其成为自由民族
1714in our own land.在我们的土地上。
1715In this, we are no fools.在这件事上,我们不是傻瓜。
1716We have a millennia long history of being persecuted我们被迫害了几千年
1717and subjugated by one people after another, and we are not about to give up our one and only state我们不会放弃我们唯一的国家
1718to go back to being at the mercy of others.回到别人的手中
1719We do want peace, and we are willing to go far我们要和平,我们愿意走远
1720to make it happen, but we will not give up our state for it.但是我们不会为此放弃状态
1721So now it is your turn, Palestinians,现在轮到你了 巴勒斯坦人
1722to answer the question that somehow no university seems to debate.回答一个问题 不知怎么,大学似乎没有争论。
1723When did you你什么时候
1724ever truly want peace with the one Jewish state?是否真的想要与一个犹太国家和平相处?
1725Zara, Zara, Zara, Zara, order, order, order,释迦牟尼如来.
1726order Zara.命令萨拉。
1727Can I please remind all members that they are voting when they are walking请让我提醒所有成员,他们在步行时正在投票。
1728through the door?穿过门?
1729Depending on the side of the door that you walk through, that is a vote cast.取决于你走过的那扇门的侧面 那就是投票
1730No one took a point of information.没有人拿一个点的信息。
1731Order, order, order.肃,肃,肃.
1732I hereby call on the closing speech for我特此致闭幕词。
1733slide proposition, Mr. David Hurst.戴维·赫斯特先生,你说什么?
1734So look, I'm a journalist, not a historian, and I want to talk听着,我是记者,不是历史学家 我想谈谈
1735to you about here and now, which is what I deal with, because to even contest a motion that says告诉你关于这里,现在, 这就是我处理, 因为甚至反对一个动议说
1736Israel was never interested or is never ever interested in peace in this week, this of all以色列本周从未对和平感兴趣或从未对和平感兴趣。
1737weeks, is mission impossible, even for the most seasoned of sophists.几周来,任务是不可能的, 即使最老练的苏菲主义者。
1738This is the week in which这个星期,
1739Donald Trump told Netanyahu to stop.唐纳德·特朗普让内塔尼亚胡停止.
1740The greatest friend Israel has got, the man who handed the以色列最伟大的朋友 交出了
1741Golan Heights and the recognition of Jerusalem on a silver plate, this man told Netanyahu他告诉内塔尼亚胡
1742enough already.已经够了。
1743For two and a half years Israel has been on the offensive.两年半来,以色列一直在发动进攻。
1744For two and a half years两年半
1745it has turned each ceasefire into a you cease, we keep on firing.它把每次停火都变成了停止,我们继续开火。
1746And now the ally that supplied而现在的盟友提供
1747Israel with enough bombs to drop the equivalent of six Hiroshimas on Gaza is telling it to stop.以色列有足够的炸弹将相当于6个广岛的炸弹投在加沙,它要求它停止。
1748Of course, Netanyahu has no intention of stopping.当然,内塔尼亚胡无意停止。
1749In Gaza, the army is silently recapturing在加沙,军队默默地夺回
1750ever greater slices of land, 53%, then 60%, now 70%, and of course he's continuing to bomb53%,然后60%,现在70%, 当然他继续轰炸
1751southern Lebanon.黎巴嫩南部
1752But the order itself sent Israel into shock.但命令本身使以色列感到震惊.
1753Yino Magal, 第14频道
1754journalist who's known as Netanyahu's mouthpiece, called Trump a loser, JD Vance scum, and special被称为内塔尼亚胡口号的记者 称特朗普是个失败者 JD Vance渣滓 特别的
1755Steve Vitkoff and Jared Kushner little Jews.史蒂夫·维特科夫和贾里德·库什纳的小犹太人.
1756A chorus called for Israel to go it alone.一个合唱团呼吁以色列独自去。
1757Lieberman said Mossad should be instructed to focus exclusively on efforts to overthrow利伯曼说应该指示摩萨德 专注于推翻
1758the regime in Iran.伊朗政权。
1759Smotrich promised to continue the war in creative ways.斯莫特里希承诺以创造性的方式继续战争.
1760He's gone from being an他从一个
1761outlier of public policy to its bellwether.超越公共政策的边缘
1762Naftali Bennett told Piers Morgan that he's going to be纳夫塔利·贝内特告诉皮尔斯·摩根,他将会是
1763Iran's worst nightmare.伊朗最糟糕的噩梦.
1764And this is the country that supposedly wants peace.这个国家应该想要和平
1765But why is Israel但为什么以色列
1766so furious that Trump has called time?特朗普这么生气 给时间打电话?
1767I think for three reasons.我认为有三个原因。
1768First, the attack on Iran was首先,对伊朗的攻击
1769hand-cooked by Mossad.由摩萨德手工烹制.
1770It was Mossad who told Iranians in Tehran, we are next here.是摩萨德告诉德黑兰的伊朗人,
1771It was Mossad.这是摩萨德。
1772Can I ask that speakers do not shout at speakers?我能请发言者不要对发言者大喊大叫吗?
1773It was Mossad who told Trump in the Situation Room of the White House on February 11th that the是摩萨德2月11日在白宫情况室告诉特朗普:
1774Islamic Republic was low-hanging fruit.伊朗伊斯兰共和国是低挂水果。
1775Every detail of Mossad's intelligence was wrong.摩萨德的所有细节情报都是错误的.
1776The Kurds didn't invade.库尔德人没有入侵.
1777They couldn't have done.他们不可能做。
1778Half of them are Shia.其中一半为什叶派.
1779Barnea said that the Navy巴内亚说海军
1780had been wiped out.被消灭了
1781And Iran couldn't close the Strait of Hormuz.伊朗无法关闭霍尔木兹海峡.
1782Wrong again.又错了
1783This was the dodgest这是最躲避的
1784of dossiers.档案
1785And Trump swallowed it whole.而特朗普将其全部吞没.
1786Now the second reason for rage is that attacking Iran现在愤怒的第二个原因是袭击伊朗
1787had the opposite effect.有相反的效果。
1788Iran, the Islamic Republic, is stronger today as a regional power.伊朗伊斯兰共和国今天作为一个区域强国更加强大。
1789Hormuz is forevermore a joint Iranian and Omani asset.Hormuz永远是伊朗和阿曼的联合资产。
1790The UAE, Israel's only real Arab partner,阿联酋 以色列唯一真正的阿拉伯伙伴
1791is now paying the IRGC billions of dollars not to bomb it.正在支付数十亿美元 不轰炸它。
1792And the Gulf economic model of untold和海湾经济模式无穷无尽
1793wealth and limitless connectivity has been brought down to earth with a bump.财富和无穷无尽的连通性 被撞倒在地上
1794Iran has shown it can伊朗已经表明它可以
1795tourists, the hotels, the air traffic, the gold market, the property market of Dubai,游客 酒店 空中交通 黄金市场 迪拜地产市场
1796down at will and any time it wants.随时随地
1797The alliance between Iran and its militias in Iraq, Yemen,伊朗与其在伊拉克、也门的民兵之间的联盟,
1798and Lebanon is stronger, not weaker.而黎巴嫩更强大,而不是更弱。
1799They acted as a coordinated military unit.他们是一支协调的军事部队。
1800And now at the而现在
1801entrance to Dahya, there are two porches of Khamenei, father and son, saying a big thank you.达哈雅入口,有两座门廊,即哈梅内伊,父子两座门廊,说大谢.
1802The nuclear concessions amount to no more than JCPOA2.核减让的金额不超过《核减让协定》2。
1803And most important of all,而最重要的是,
1804Iran keeps its ballistic missiles and launchers.伊朗保留了弹道导弹和发射器。
1805But the third reason for the gnashing of teeth但牙齿被咬的第三个原因
1806of Tel Aviv is the most important.特拉维夫是最重要的
1807This is because this is not just another botched attempt at regime因为这是因为这不仅仅是 又一次对政权的徒劳尝试
1808change.变化。
1809A bigger plan lay behind it.背后有一个更大的计划
1810To place Israel at the apex of a hexagon of strategic将以色列置于战略六边形的顶端
1811alliances which stretch from India to Africa to the Mediterranean.从印度到非洲到地中海的联盟。
1812This is why an Iranian defeat这就是为什么伊朗的失败
1813would not have meant an end of war.这并不意味着战争的结束。
1814The next country on Israel's target list would have been以色列目标名单上的下一个国家是
1815and after that, Egypt.之后是埃及。
1816So to maintain that at this time, of all times, Israel really just wants to因此,为了维持这一时刻,以色列一直想
1817get on with its neighbours is an idea worthy of Disneyland.和它的邻居一起生活 是个值得迪士尼乐园的主意
1818It wants to fragment its neighbours.它想分裂它的邻国。
1819It wants to fragment Syria and establish itself as a regional military hegemon for decades to come.它想要分裂叙利亚,并在今后几十年中成为区域军事霸主。
1820This is not the psyche of a victim in a tough neighbourhood.这不是一个受害者在艰苦的街区的心理。
1821It's the thought process of a这是一个思考的过程
1822predator, a disruptor, intent on making the neighbourhood even tougher.掠夺者,一个破坏者, 意图使邻里更坚固。
1823But the real question但真正的问题
1824behind this is how a country which frames itself as little Sparta permanently at war背后的是一个将自己 描绘成小斯巴达永远处于战争状态的国家
1825is remotely sustainable.远可持续。
1826I'll give you a scattering of figures in no particular order.我会给你一个数字的分散 没有特定的顺序。
1827Since October 2023, Israeli soldiers and settlers have killed自2023年10月以来,以色列士兵和定居者杀害了
18281,244 Palestinians in the West Bank, including 268 children.西岸1 244名巴勒斯坦人,包括268名儿童。
1829The hilltop youth, regarded as山顶青年,被视为
1830the most violent of settlers in the outposts, are actually getting government support.在前哨最暴力的定居者实际上正在得到政府的支持。
18315.5 million550万
1832shekels have been transferred to the outposts and in addition, Smotrich has delivered 19谢克尔已转移到前哨基地,此外,斯莫特里希交付了19枚
1833rangers to the settlers in Hebron.向希伯伦定居者提供护卫。
1834Moshe Yalon,前国防部长和军队总长,
1835has described the pogroms against Palestinians in the West Bank as Mein Kampf in reverse.将西岸对巴勒斯坦人的大屠杀描述为 " Mein Kampf " 。
1836He said, what is Jewish supremacy?他说,什么是犹太人的至高无上?
183780 years after the Holocaust, it's Mein Kampf in reverse.在大屠杀发生80年后,是"反向"的Mein Kampf.
1838The superior race is us.超级种族就是我们
1839These are not my words.这不是我说的话。
1840These are the words of Moshe Yalon.这是莫什·亚龙的话
1841I didn't invent it.我没有发明它。
1842No, I won't.不,我不会。
1843I will speak.我会说。
1844Since October 2023, 104 Palestinians have died2023年10月以来,104名巴勒斯坦人死亡
1845in Israeli detention and the Israeli President now has approved a death penalty law which applies以色列总统现在批准了一项适用死刑法
1846only to Palestinians.仅限巴勒斯坦人。
1847The Palestinian resident of the West Bank who, I'm quoting, who intentionally西岸的巴勒斯坦居民,我引用他的话,他是故意的。
1848causes the death.导致死亡。
1849David, one second please.大卫 请稍等
1850Can you please not have shouting at the speaker?你能不能别对扬声器大喊大叫?
1851If若为
1852there's a point of order to be raised, you can say point of order.有个问题需要提出 你可以说出问题
1853I will respond.我会回答的。
1854If there's a point如果有一点
1855of information you want to direct at the speaker, you can say point of information and they can说点信息 他们可以
1856either accept or reject.要么接受要么拒绝。
1857I will not accept speaking at the speaker.我将不接受在发言者发言。
1858I hear you.我听见了
1859Is it okay if he他可以吗?
1860addresses the topic of the question and debate because we haven't heard one word on that topic讨论这个问题和辩论,因为我们还没有听到关于这个话题的一句话
1861so far?到目前为止?
1862That is up for...这是为...
1863Thank you.谢谢
1864Thank you for your feedback.谢谢你的反馈
1865That is up to both the speaker and the audience members to decide when they walk through that这得由演讲者和听众决定何时进行
1866door.门。
1867And I quote from the law.并引诸法.
1868The Palestinian resident of the West Bank who intentionally西岸巴勒斯坦居民蓄意
1869causes the death of a person as part of an act of terrorism as defined by the counterterrorism law* 造成人员死亡,是反恐法界定的恐怖行为的一部分
1870should be punishable only by death.只能处以死刑。
1871The serial killing of Palestinians has a cost对巴勒斯坦人的连环杀害是有代价的
1872on Israel's mental health.以色列的心理健康状况
1873Haaretz said that since October the 7th, at least 60《国土报》说,自10月7日以来,至少有60个
1874Israeli soldiers committed suicide during their military service, although it thinks the number以色列士兵在服役期间自杀,但以色列士兵认为,
1875is higher.更高级。
1876Hamakom said that from October the 7th to February this year over 22,000 soldiers were哈马科姆说,从今年10月7日至2月,超过22,000名士兵
1877treated at the Defense Ministry's rehabilitation center, 58% of them for mental illness.在国防部康复中心治疗,其中58%患有精神疾病。
1878In January1月时
1879this year, the Ministry of Health said that 435,000 Israelis received treatment from mental health今年,卫生部说,435,000名以色列人接受了心理健康治疗。
1880clinics last year.去年的诊所
1881So I leave you with one simple question.所以我给你一个简单的问题
1882Where is all this headed?这些都往哪儿去了?
1883Where is all哪里是所有的东西
1884killing, this anger, this rage, this denial, the fact that they say Palestinians don't exist.屠杀,这种愤怒,这种愤怒,这种否认,他们说巴勒斯坦人不存在的事实.
1885Where is it headed?它往哪里飞?
1886Because Israel is never going to have a president as pliant as Trump因为以色列永远不会有像特朗普那样的总统
1887was on February the 11th.在2月11号
1888The tide of public opinion amongst Republicans is changing.共和党人的舆论潮流正在改变。
1889Can Israel以色列能够
1890really go on its own?真的要自己去吗?
1891Can you really be little Sparta?你真的能当小斯巴达吗?
1892Can you keep inflaming the region again你能继续煽动这个地区吗?
1893and again and again?一次又一次?
1894How many decades is this going to go on for?这要持续多少年?
1895And that is the question这就是问题
1896you have really got to think about because the Palestinians will not disappear.你一定要考虑一下 因为巴勒斯坦人不会消失
1897Defeat in Iran伊朗的失败
1898is just the start.只是开始而已
1899Thank you for listening.谢谢你的聆听
1900Can I have respect across both sides of the bench?我可以在两边的长凳上尊重我吗?
1901Can I remind audience members that they are voting with their feet?我可以提醒观众,他们正在用脚投票吗?
1902Thank you.谢谢
1903现在,反对的一方是Abin Maya。
1904Madam President, members of the House,主席女士,各位议员,
1905ladies and gentlemen, it falls to me to bring our case and this debate to a close.女士们,先生们,我有责任结束我们的案子和这场辩论。
1906And unlike也不像我们
1907some on the other side, I will actually speak to the proposition.在另一边,我其实会谈谈这个提议。
1908My colleagues have ably set out我的同事们非常干练
1909a long history of Zionists and then Israeli efforts to achieve peace with the Palestinians.犹太复国主义者的长期历史,以及以色列为实现与巴勒斯坦人和平所作的努力。
1910The compromises proposed, the territorial concessions offered, and the repeated willingness提议的妥协、领土让步和一再表示的意愿
1911of Israeli leaders and the Israeli public to take extraordinary risks in pursuit of that goal,以色列领导人和以色列公众为实现这一目标而冒特殊风险,
1912risks all too often paid for in Israeli blood.风险经常用以色列的血来支付。
1913Our opponents for their part have offered a very我们的对手已经提出
1914different story.不同的故事。
1915We've heard painful accounts of dispossession and they are indeed painful,我们听到痛苦的描述 剥夺,他们确实痛苦,
1916Dr. Carmi.卡米医生
1917We've heard selective readings of history and arguments that deny any genuine我们听到有选择地解读历史和争论 否认任何真实的
1918Jewish claim to the land that both peoples call home.犹太人对这两个民族称为家园的土地主张.
1919We've heard contortions of logic and我们听到逻辑和
1920inversions of truth that seek to explain away every Israeli overture, every negotiation,真相的颠倒 试图解释 每一个以色列姿态, 每一次谈判,
1921every concession as something other than it appeared to be.每一个让步 似乎不是它。
1922And that brings us to the real这让我们来到真正的
1923question before this house tonight.今晚在这个房子里问问题
1924Because we're not being asked whether Israeli governments have因为我们没有被问 以色列政府有没有
1925fallen short in their efforts to bring about peace.它们在实现和平的努力中落空。
1926Some have.有的,有的,有的,有的,有的,有的,有的
1927While others, including those其他的,包括:
1928described earlier, have offered dramatic and far-reaching concessions to bring peace about.上文提到,为实现和平作出了重大和深远的让步。
1929We're not being asked whether Israeli and Palestinian leaders have at times missed我们没有被问到以色列和巴勒斯坦领导人 有时是否错过
1930opportunities that might have brought peace closer.可能使和平更加接近的机遇。
1931They have.他们有。
1932We're not even being asked我们甚至没有被问到
1933whether Palestinians and Israelis have suffered due to the absence of peace.巴勒斯坦人和以色列人是否因缺乏和平而蒙受苦难。
1934They have.他们有。
1935No, the motion before this house tonight is far more extreme.不,今晚这个房子的动议更极端了
1936It posits that Israel never wanted它假定以色列从不想要
1937peace with Palestine.与巴勒斯坦的和平。
1938Never.从来没有。
1939Never?从来没有?
1940Not Rabin, not Peres, not Barak, not Olmert, not the hundreds of不是拉宾,不是佩雷斯,不是巴拉克,不是奥尔默特,不是数百人
1941thousands of Israelis who filled public squares in support of peace, not the millions who voted for数千名以色列人填补了支持和平的公共广场,而不是投了票的数百万人。
1942promising territorial concessions, not the Israeli parents of every generation who knowing all too有前途的领土让步,而不是每一代都知道的以色列父母
1943well the cost of war hoped and prayed and dreamed that their children would be the first to finally战争的代价希望 祈祷和梦想 他们的孩子将是第一个最终
1944know peace?知道和平吗?
1945Never?从来没有?
1946Ladies and gentlemen, our opponents have spent this evening asking you女士们,先生们,我们的对手 花了今晚问你
1947to believe something striking.相信一些惊人的东西。
1948That when Israelis spoke of and prayed for peace, they didn't mean it.当以色列人谈论和祈祷和平时,他们不是故意的。
1949That when Zionists and Israeli leaders offered concessions for peace, they didn't mean it.当犹太复国主义者和以色列领导人为和平作出让步时,他们不是故意的。
1950That那个
1951when millions of Israelis voted for peace, they didn't mean it either.当数百万以色列人投票支持和平时,他们也不是有意的。
1952This is not an argument这不是争论
1953about Israeli policy.关于以色列的政策。
1954This is an argument about Israeli motives, about the Israeli soul.这是关于以色列动机和以色列灵魂的争论。
1955And the还有
1956difficulty for our opponents is that they've chosen the wrong people because there is no value more对于我们的对手来说,困难是 他们选择了错误的人 因为没有更多的价值
1957central to the Jewish national soul than peace.犹太民族灵魂的核心 而不是和平
1958The Jewish tradition is to fuse with the quest犹太人的传统是 与追求相融合
1959for peace.为了和平
1960It courses through our religious texts, animates our prayers, and inspires our vision它通过我们的宗教文本, 动画我们的祈祷, 激励我们的愿景
1961of a more perfect world.一个更完美的世界。
1962It was the prophet Isaiah who envisioned a future in which peace是先知以赛亚预言了一个和平的未来
1963reigned among nations, uttering those immortal words, and they shall beat their swords into他们以不朽的言语盟誓,
1964plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.耕犁及其长矛入run钩.
1965Nations shall not lift up sword against nation,国家不得举剑对抗国家,
1966neither shall they learn war anymore.他们再也不会学会战争了
1967Every single day for two millennia, Jews have ended两千年来,犹太人每天都要结束
1968their daily prayers with supplications for peace.他们每天祈祷,祈求和平。
1969The Talmud goes so far as to say that shalom,塔木德人甚至说,
1970peace, is one of God's names, elevating it from an earthly aspiration to the realm of the divine.和平是上帝的名号之一,将它从大地的渴望提升到神圣的境界。
1971It is no surprise then that when the earliest Zionist thinkers contemplated the Jewish state那么当最早的犹太复国主义思想家 想到犹太国家的时候,就不足为奇了
1972they sought to create, they envisioned it at peace.他们试图创造, 他们设想和平。
1973Socialists and liberals, revisionists,社会主义者和自由主义者,修正主义者,
1974and traditionalists, they differed profoundly in their visions of the state that was to be,他们和传统主义者对于国家的看法大不相同,
1975yet across those divisions ran a remarkably consistent belief that the Jewish national home然而在这些分裂中,人们一直坚信犹太民族家园
1976should one day live at peace with its neighbors.如果有一天能和邻居和睦相处
1977That aspiration found perhaps its clearest这一愿望也许最明确
1978expression in Israel's Declaration of Independence, issued as five Arab armies advanced upon the《以色列独立宣言》中的声明,
1979state.状态。
1980Even in that moment of existential peril, Israel's founders proclaimed,即使在这生命危险的时刻,以色列的创始人宣布,
1981we extend our hand to all neighboring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good我们向所有邻国及其人民伸出援助之手,以示和平和善意。
1982neighborliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with a邻国,并呼吁他们与
1983sovereign Jewish people settled in its land.拥有主权的犹太人民在其土地上定居。
1984And indeed, for generations of Israelis, that aspiration事实上,在以色列人的几代人中,
1985has been not merely a line in a founding document, it has been a sought after reality and national它不仅是一份创始文件中的一条线,而且是在现实和国家之后寻求实现的。
1986ideal and a deeply personal hope.理想的和深深的个人希望。
1987I'm a relic of the 1980s.我是1980年代的遗物.
1988The first word I learned on my first我学的第一个词
1989day of primary school in Jerusalem was shalom, peace, an experience shared by all Israelis,在耶路撒冷上小学的日子是神圣的,和平的,是所有以色列人共同经历的,
1990including those in this room, on both sides of this debate.在本次辩论的两边,包括本会议室的各位。
1991I remember watching wide-eyed我记得我看着大眼睛
1992as Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat shook hands on the White House lawn certain that a new era of当伊扎克·拉宾和亚西尔·阿拉法特在白宫草坪上握手时,他们确信一个新的时代是
1993peace was upon us.和平降临了我们。
1994I remember standing in a massive crowd with my father and younger sister我记得我和我父亲和妹妹 站在一大群人中间
1995as we were swept towards the gates of the Knesset, Israel's parliament, to pay our respects to Rabin,我们被扫到以色列议会的大门 向拉宾致敬
1996felled by an assassin's bullets in his pursuit of peace.在追求和平的过程中被刺客的子弹所掉落.
1997I remember the wave of Hamas terrorist我记得哈马斯恐怖分子的浪潮
1998attacks that cleaned the lives of hundreds of Israelis, including two young girls from my数以百计的以色列人, 包括我的两名年轻女孩
1999neighborhood, one year my junior, killed in a Jerusalem pizzeria.邻里,我的初中一年, 在耶路撒冷的披萨里被杀。
2000And I remember how, even in我还记得如何,即使在
2001the midst of that surge of murderous terror, even in the wake of a prime minister's assassination,即使是在总理遇刺之后 也发生了一连串的杀人恐怖事件
2002Israelis pivoted not to the right, but to the left, electing a leader who had explicitly以色列人不是向右而是向左偏右,选举了一位明确表明
2003campaigned on a platform of territorial concessions for peace and granting Ehud Barak在一个争取和平的领土特许权平台上开展运动,并给予埃胡德·巴拉克
2004one of the largest margins of victory in Israeli history.以色列历史上最大的胜利边缘之一。
2005But Israel never wanted peace.但是,以色列从来不希望和平。
2006Never?从来没有?
2007Really?真的吗?
2008Ladies and gentlemen, that claim crumbles under the weight of documented history.女士们,先生们,这个说法在历史记录的份量下崩溃了。
2009One can argue that peace has proven elusive.人们可以争辩说,和平已证明是难以实现的。
2010One can argue that opportunities have been missed.人们可以争辩说,机会被错过了。
2011One can argue that terrible mistakes have been made.人们可以争辩说,发生了可怕的错误。
2012One can even argue that today, after October甚至可以说,今天,十月以后
20137th, the appetite for territorial concessions in the interest of peace is vastly diminished.第七,为了和平,对领土让步的胃口大为减少。
2014But to argue that Israelis never wanted peace is not a serious reading of history.但是,说以色列人从来不想要和平并不是认真解读历史。
2015It is a denial of history.这是对历史的否认。
2016Indeed, it requires us to believe that millions of people across确实,它要求我们相信,在座的数百万人,
2017multiple generations did not truly mean what they said to one another, to their neighbors,几代人对彼此和邻居的言语并不真正有意义,
2018and even to God himself about one of their most heartfelt aspirations.甚至是对上帝最衷心的渴望之一
2019For if every expression如果每个表达方式
2020of peace was merely a ruse, every offer a deception, every aspiration a lie, then we are left with a和平只是一种诡计, 每一个提出欺骗, 每一个愿望一个谎言, 然后我们就有一个
2021familiar accusation that what Jews said was never what Jews meant.熟悉的指责是,犹太人说的话从来不是犹太人的意思.
2022But beneath much of what we've但是在很多我们拥有的东西之下
2023heard tonight lies an even darker and deeper argument.听说今晚有更黑暗更深的争论
2024It is an argument that has animated这个论点已经动画化了
2025not only some of the views expressed in this chamber, but too often the positions of Palestinian不仅在本会议厅中表达的一些意见,而且巴勒斯坦的立场也经常如此。
2026leaders throughout the conflict.整个冲突期间的领导人。
2027It is not really about peace negotiations.这与和平谈判无关。
2028It's not about diplomatic和外交无关
2029proposals.建议。
2030It's not really about Camp David or Oslo or Annapolis.这与戴维营、奥斯陆或安纳波利斯无关
2031It is about legitimacy.它涉及合法性。
2032Because if one denies that the Jewish people have any genuine claim to the land, if one believes因为如果有人否认犹太人对土地有任何真正的要求,如果有人相信
2033that Israel should never have come into being and should cease to exist today, then no Zionist or以色列从来就不应该存在,今天就应该停止存在,那么犹太复国主义者或
2034Israeli offer, no matter how sincere or expansive, can ever be enough.以色列的提议无论多么真诚和广泛,都永远是足够的。
2035Peace becomes impossible和平变得不可能
2036because one side's very existence is regarded as an affront, an injustice, a blight to be erased.因为一方的存在 被视为一种侮辱 一种不公正 一种被抹去的污点
2037But that is not the motion before this house.但这不是这房子面前的动议。
2038You're being asked whether Israel has ever truly你被问到以色列是否真的
2039wanted peace with Palestine.希望与巴勒斯坦实现和平。
2040And if millions of Israelis marched for peace, voted for peace,如果数百万以色列人为和平而游行,为和平而投票,
2041and were willing to take far-reaching and deeply painful risks for peace,并愿意为和平承担深远和痛苦的风险,
2042then the answer to that question is self-evidently yes.那么这个问题的答案是不言而喻是的。
2043Ladies and gentlemen, the tragedy of this女士们先生们 这场悲剧
2044conflict is not that peace has never been sought.冲突并非从未寻求过和平。
2045The tragedy is that peace has been sought and yet悲剧是,人们一直在寻求和平,然而,
2046proven so painfully difficult to attain.被证明是很难实现的
2047The tragedy is that two peoples with deep and abiding悲剧是,两个民族有着深厚和坚忍不拔的精神。
2048ties to the same land have so often found themselves unable to reconcile their competing往往发现自己无法调和彼此之间的矛盾
2049aspirations.愿望。
2050That is a tragedy, and it is one that we should all hope and pray comes swiftly to an这是一个悲剧,这是我们大家应当希望和祈祷的悲剧,迅速来到一个
2051end for the sake of all who live in that cherished land.为了所有生活在珍贵土地上的人 结束这一切
2052But it is not evidence that peace was never但并不是和平永远没有的证据
2053desired, and it is certainly not evidence that an entire people spent generations engaged in an当然,这并不能证明 整个民族世代相传
2054elaborate collective deception about one of their most deeply held hopes, one that goes to the very精心策划集体欺骗 他们最深厚的希望之一, 一个去到
2055steps of their national soul.他们的民族灵魂的步调。
2056For all its mistakes, for all its failures, for all the opportunities对于它的所有错误, 对于它的所有失败, 对于所有的机会
2057lost along the way, Israel has wanted peace.以色列一直希望和平。
2058Jewish tradition says so,犹太传统说,
2059history says so, the lived experience of generations of Israelis says so,历史是这样说, 几代以色列人的生活经验是这样说,
2060and I hope this host will say so as well.我希望这位主持人也能这么说。
2061I urge you to reject the motion.我敦促你拒绝这个动议。
2062Thank you very much.谢谢
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