8-4 因凡蒂诺能继续担任国际足联主席吗？ | BBC全球新
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| 0:00 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 0:03 | I'm Janet Jalil and I'm joined by our sports reporter Joe Linsky. | 我是珍妮特・贾利尔 我们的体育记者乔・林斯基 |
| 0:07 | And Joe, the president of FIFA, Gianni Infantino, faces growing opposition from the football world | 而国际足联主席乔,吉安尼·范蒂诺,面对来自足球界的日益激烈的反对. |
| 0:13 | after his now cancelled plan to sell off stakes in major tournaments like the World Cup. | 他现在取消了在世界杯等大赛中卖掉股份的计划 |
| 0:19 | Tell us about the backlash. | 告诉我们反弹的事 |
| 0:20 | Well, this has been a very fast moving story since Tuesday last week when those reports first emerged | 自从上个礼拜二报告首次出现以来,这个故事进展很快 |
| 0:28 | that Gianni Infantino was looking to sell off a subsidiary of the FIFA tournaments to private investors, | Gianni Infantino想将国际足联锦标赛的一个子公司卖给私人投资者 |
| 0:37 | essentially opening up the Men's and Women's World Cup and the Club World Cup | 基本上开放 男女世界杯和俱乐部 世界杯 |
| 0:41 | to the pressures of kind of external investors and profit driven football almost. | 面对外部投资者的压力 和利润驱动的足球。 |
| 0:47 | And the backlash to that was driven really by UEFA, the governing body of football in Europe, | 欧洲足联是欧洲足球的领导机构, |
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| 1 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 2 | I'm Janet Jalil and I'm joined by our sports reporter Joe Linsky. | 我是珍妮特・贾利尔 我们的体育记者乔・林斯基 |
| 3 | And Joe, the president of FIFA, Gianni Infantino, faces growing opposition from the football world | 而国际足联主席乔,吉安尼·范蒂诺,面对来自足球界的日益激烈的反对. |
| 4 | after his now cancelled plan to sell off stakes in major tournaments like the World Cup. | 他现在取消了在世界杯等大赛中卖掉股份的计划 |
| 5 | Tell us about the backlash. | 告诉我们反弹的事 |
| 6 | Well, this has been a very fast moving story since Tuesday last week when those reports first emerged | 自从上个礼拜二报告首次出现以来,这个故事进展很快 |
| 7 | that Gianni Infantino was looking to sell off a subsidiary of the FIFA tournaments to private investors, | Gianni Infantino想将国际足联锦标赛的一个子公司卖给私人投资者 |
| 8 | essentially opening up the Men's and Women's World Cup and the Club World Cup | 基本上开放 男女世界杯和俱乐部 世界杯 |
| 9 | to the pressures of kind of external investors and profit driven football almost. | 面对外部投资者的压力 和利润驱动的足球。 |
| 10 | And the backlash to that was driven really by UEFA, the governing body of football in Europe, | 欧洲足联是欧洲足球的领导机构, |
| 11 | who were really the first to come forward in terms of the confederations | 他们是第一个在联盟中站出来的人, |
| 12 | and have very sort of emotive and scornful rhetoric towards Gianni Infantino. | 并且对吉安尼·范蒂诺 充满感情和鄙视 |
| 13 | To get us to a point now, six days on as we record from those first reports, | 为了让我们到现在的一点, 六天后,当我们记录 从那些第一次报告, |
| 14 | where we are now in a position where those plans have been dropped, | 我们现在处于放弃这些计划的地位, |
| 15 | Infantino has admitted defeat, he would not have had the votes required to get those plans approved | Infantino承认失败了, 他不会有获得这些计划批准所需的选票 |
| 16 | by the 211 FIFA member nations. | 由211个国际足联成员国组成. |
| 17 | The story now has shifted towards the future of the president himself, Gianni Infantino. | 故事现已转向总统本人吉安尼·因凡蒂诺的未来. |
| 18 | He was due to be up for re-election in March of next year. | 他原定明年3月参加连任. |
| 19 | And I think we can see just how big a gamble it was because Infantino was set to stand in that election unopposed. | 我想我们可以看到一场赌博有多大 因为Infantino被安排参加那场无敌的选举 |
| 20 | He was due to potentially have a fourth term in office. | 他可能要担任第四个任期。 |
| 21 | But having done this last week, he has now opened himself up to challenges. | 但是,他上周完成了这项工作,现在开始面对挑战。 |
| 22 | We are now waiting to see what contenders might come forward. | 我们现在等着看竞争者会提出什么。 |
| 23 | And some of those nations that wrote letters of support to Infantino in that uncontested election | 和一些国家 写了支持信 在无争议选举 |
| 24 | are now starting to withdraw those letters. | 现在开始撤回这些信件。 |
| 25 | We have already heard from the Football Association of Wales, who have done so. | 我们已经从威尔士足球协会那里听说了,他们这样做了。 |
| 26 | And England, the FA there, is also set to send a letter withdrawing their support for Infantino too. | 而英国,那边的FA, 也准备发一封信 撤回他们对Infantino的支持。 |
| 27 | So yes, this has been very fast moving and I think it's going to continue like that for the rest of the week. | 所以,这是非常快速的移动, 我想它会继续这样 一个星期的剩余时间。 |
| 28 | And the controversies involving Gianni Infantino go back years. | 而吉安尼·范蒂诺的争论 也追溯到几年前 |
| 29 | Yes, well, Gianni Infantino has been in charge of FIFA for a decade. | 是的,吉安尼·范蒂诺已经负责国际足联十年了 |
| 30 | He took over from Sepp Blatter, who ended up in all sorts of bother at the end of his reign as FIFA president. | 他接替塞普·布拉特(英语:Sepp Blatter),最终他在担任国际足联主席的统治结束时陷入各种麻烦. |
| 31 | And yes, so Infantino took over and he was sort of bestowed with those controversial | 是的,所以万凡蒂诺接手了, 他有点被那些有争议的 |
| 32 | World Cup host countries of Russia and Qatar in 2018 and 2022. | 2018年和2022年的世界杯主办国俄罗斯和卡塔尔. |
| 33 | But ahead of that tournament in 2022, we saw him really first start to emerge as a kind of controversial and public figure. | 但是在2022年的锦标赛之前,我们看到他真正开始作为一个有争议的公众人物出现。 |
| 34 | We have that now notorious Today I Feel speech ahead of that World Cup, | 我们有今天臭名昭著的演讲 在那个世界杯之前 |
| 35 | where facing backlash around the treatments of migrant workers in Qatar, around the treatments of LGBT individuals there. | 在卡塔尔移徙工人的待遇方面, |
| 36 | Infantino sat down in front of the world, in front of the cameras and said things like Today I Feel Disabled, | Infantino坐在世界的前面, 在摄像机的前面, 说的东西像今天 我感觉残疾, |
| 37 | Today I Feel Like a Migrant Worker, Today I Feel Gay. | 今天我觉得自己像一个移民工人,今天我感觉同性恋。 |
| 38 | It became a pretty notorious speech and one that really elevated him into the wider public consciousness, | 它变成了一个相当臭名昭著的演讲, 一个真正把他提升到更广泛的公众意识, |
| 39 | really, and as a controversial figure within football. | 真的,作为一个有争议的人物 在足球。 |
| 40 | And as we built towards this summer's World Cup that, of course, has now concluded, | 当我们为今年夏天的世界杯而建 当然,现在已经结束了 |
| 41 | the theme of his presidency again has been this link with Donald Trump, the US president, | 美国总统唐纳德·特朗普的这个联系 |
| 42 | particularly since 2024, Trump was a very visible presence at the club World Cup that became Infantino's big project. | 特别是从2024年起,特朗普是俱乐部世界杯的非常显著的亮点,成为了Infantino的大项目. |
| 43 | It was hosted in the United States and Trump was there to present the trophy to Chelsea, | 它在美国举办,特朗普在那里向切尔西赠送奖杯, |
| 44 | to some of their bemused players on the platform at the end of that final. | 在决赛结束时 给平台上的一些玩家 |
| 45 | We then saw in the draw for the International World Cup, Trump was on stage and that was where he received | 然后我们看到国际世界杯的抽签结果 川普在台上 在那里他得到了 |
| 46 | that inaugural FIFA Peace Prize in December of 2025. | 2025年12月国际足联和平奖揭晓 |
| 47 | And now we have seen with these plans that Infantino put forward a link to Donald Trump himself in what he was trying to do. | 现在,我们已经看到这些计划, Infantino提出了一个链接 唐纳德·特朗普自己 在他试图做的。 |
| 48 | The investment group Infantino wanted to lead, this new subsidiary arm of FIFA's commercial side, | 投资集团Infantino想领导, 这个新的子公司 国际足联的商业方面, |
| 49 | was led by Joshua Kushner, who is the brother of Donald Trump's son-in-law. | 由约书亚·库什纳领导,他是唐纳德·特朗普女婿的弟弟. |
| 50 | So, yes, it is a bit complicated, but there is a link there, of course, to Donald Trump. | 所以,是的,这是一个有点复杂, 但有一个联系, 当然,唐纳德特朗普。 |
| 51 | But even him now, even Trump, the US president, has started to kind of tentatively distance himself from Infantino. | 但即使是现在的他,甚至连美国总统特朗普也开始暂时与英凡蒂诺保持距离. |
| 52 | He said over the weekend that he was not consulted by the FIFA president before these plans were put forward. | 他在周末表示,在提出这些计划之前,没有经过国际足联主席的咨询. |
| 53 | Mr. Infantino also overturned a red card against the star player for the US side at Mr. Trump's behest. | 在特朗普先生的授意下,Infantino先生还推翻了一张针对明星球员的红牌,作为美国方面. |
| 54 | So there has been a very close relationship up until very recently between the two men. | 所以直到最近两人的关系一直非常密切. |
| 55 | Yes, Foller and Baligan, who received a red card during the last 32 round of the World Cup against Bosnia and Herzegovina, | 是的,福勒和巴利根, 在世界杯最后32轮对阵波斯尼亚和黑塞哥维那的比赛中, |
| 56 | it was, would normally have faced a suspension. | 本来是的, 通常会面临中止。 |
| 57 | But it then emerged that the US president had got involved, had been on the phone to Gianni Infantino, and that suspension didn't happen. | 但后来发现美国总统卷入了此事,一直与吉安尼·范蒂诺通电话,停机事件并未发生. |
| 58 | Baligan was allowed to play against Belgium in that last 16 game. | 在最后16场比赛中巴利根被允许对阵比利时. |
| 59 | And that was the key controversy of this World Cup across these three nations. | 这也是这届世界杯对这三个国家的关键争议。 |
| 60 | And Donald Trump was at the centre of it. | 而唐纳德·特朗普是其核心人物. |
| 61 | It really became a symbol of how intertwined FIFA under Infantino and the US president had become. | 它真的成为了在Infantino和美国总统统治下的 国际足联如何相互交织的象征。 |
| 62 | Infantino, when he took over from Zepp Blatter, promised to clean up football. | 伊凡蒂诺在接替泽普·布拉特(英语:Zepp Blatter)时,承诺要清理足球. |
| 63 | But as you say, there have been controversies involving him since he's been FIFA president. | 但正如你所说,自从他担任国际足联主席以来,他一直有争议。 |
| 64 | Why is it given that it's only very, very recently that his position as FIFA president has come into doubt? | 为什么考虑到他作为国际足联主席的地位最近才出现疑问? |
| 65 | Well, I think the answer to that is Infantino's key agenda really has been driving money and driving revenue into this organisation. | 我认为答案是 Infantino的关键议程 一直在推动资金和收入进入这个组织 |
| 66 | We've had those inflated ticket prices for the World Cup, these big broadcast deals, these new tournaments like the Club World Cup, all designed to generate more income. | 我们已经有那些膨胀的门票价格 世界杯, 这些大的广播交易, 这些新的联赛 像俱乐部的世界杯, 所有设计 创造更多的收入。 |
| 67 | But crucially for Infantino, that revenue goes towards nations to develop their football infrastructure. | 但对于Infantino来说,这种收入主要用于各国发展其足球基础设施。 |
| 68 | And for the smaller nations around the world, it is crucial to them and it in turn leads to approval and votes for Infantino. | 对于全世界较小的国家来说,这对它们至关重要,反过来又导致批准和投票支持Infantino。 |
| 69 | And in fact, heading towards this election in March of next year, more than 200 of the 211 member nations of FIFA had declared their support for Infantino, | 事实上,在明年3月的这次选举中,国际足联211个成员国中有200多个国家宣布支持Infantino, |
| 70 | including most of them in Europe, including England and Wales and Scotland here in Britain. | 包括大部分在欧洲,包括英国的英格兰和威尔士以及苏格兰。 |
| 71 | And that spoke to approval for what Infantino was doing overall, driving money, driving revenue into these nations and doing so with new projects like the Club World Cup, | 这证明了Infantino所做的一切, 驱动金钱, 驱动收入进入这些国家, 这样做有新项目 比如俱乐部世界杯, |
| 72 | like the expanded International World Cup, which Infantino led towards being 48 teams. | 就像扩大的国际世界杯 英凡迪诺带领48支球队 |
| 73 | Could he survive? | 他能活下来吗? |
| 74 | It is not easy to oust the current FIFA president. | 推翻现任国际足联主席并不容易。 |
| 75 | They have to call potentially an extraordinary Congress where then a vote of no confidence could be called. | 他们必须召集一个非常的大会,然后可以召集不信任的投票。 |
| 76 | Of course, if Infantino resigns that and does all of that, it removes any of that complication. | 当然,如果Infantino辞职 并做这一切, 它消除了任何这种复杂。 |
| 77 | But so far, Gianni Infantino in his reign as FIFA president has been defiant. | 但迄今为止,吉安尼·因凡蒂诺在担任国际足联主席的统治中一直不屑一顾. |
| 78 | He's not the kind of person you would think he would step away easily. | 他不是那种你认为他会轻易离开的人 |
| 79 | And as I say, Infantino's strategy throughout his presidency has been to keep those smaller nations in particular on board by promising that investment from these big projects down to them. | 正如我所言,凡凡蒂诺在担任主席期间的战略是,特别通过承诺从这些大项目中向它们投资,使这些小国继续参与。 |
| 80 | And when UEFA had their meeting, there were some questions over whether the smaller nations in UEFA might actually side with Infantino. | 当欧足联开会时, 关于欧足联的小国 是否真的会和Infantino站在一起,还存在一些问题。 |
| 81 | You know, you obviously have France and Germany and Spain and England, those huge nations that are always there at the back end of major tournaments. | 你知道,你显然有法国,德国,西班牙和英国 这些大国总是在大赛的后端。 |
| 82 | But you also have Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania, the Czech Republic. | 但你还有爱沙尼亚 拉脱维亚和立陶宛 捷克共和国 |
| 83 | But actually, UEFA managed to have complete solidarity and unity in getting those smaller nations on board in unity against Infantino. | 但事实上,欧洲足联在使这些小国团结起来反对Infantino方面得到了完全的团结和团结。 |
| 84 | And in those extremely strongly worded statements, of course, UEFA said they would boycott the World Cup if those plans, those proposals that Infantino put through went through. | 当然,欧洲足联在这些措辞极强的声明中说,如果那些计划通过,那些Infantino提出的提议将会抵制世界杯。 |
| 85 | So, yes, I think Infantino's strategy in terms of getting back on the front foot will be using the mathematics of the 211 FIFA nations to earn support back. | 因此,是的,我认为Infantino在回到前脚方面的策略是利用211国际足联国家的数学来赢得支持. |
| 86 | There are still some nations in Asia and Africa who are publicly declaring their support still for Infantino. | 亚洲和非洲仍有一些国家公开宣布支持Infantino。 |
| 87 | There was Qatar that came forward, Morocco, who is co-hosting the World Cup in 2030. | 当时有卡塔尔挺身而出,摩洛哥在2030年世界杯联赛中担任东道主. |
| 88 | They have come forward and publicly expressed their support for Infantino. | 他们站出来公开表示支持Infantino。 |
| 89 | So it is not unanimous by any stretch yet. | 因此,它还没有达到一致。 |
| 90 | And with FIFA, it is not straightforward in terms of getting to the next phase. | 而对于国际足联来说,进入下一阶段并非直截了当。 |
| 91 | So we will see in the next few days how this pans out and how Infantino might deploy a strategy along those lines. | 因此,我们将在今后几天内看到这个计划是如何展开的,以及Infantino如何按照这些方针部署一个战略。 |
| 92 | How damaging has this been for FIFA and for football in general? | 这对于国际足联和整个足球来说有多严重? |
| 93 | Well, FIFA, I think from the outside, fans will look at it and say, we're back where we were 10 years ago with Sepp Blatter, | 好吧,国际足联,我想从外面, 球迷会看着它,说, 我们回到了我们十年前和Sepp Blatter, |
| 94 | when he was ousted in disgrace for bribery and corruption that went on at FIFA during his presidency. | 他因在担任国际足联主席期间的贿赂和腐败 被丢弃 |
| 95 | I think that's why many people and why UEFA particularly have expressed that they feel let down by Infantino. | 我想这就是为什么许多人 以及为什么欧洲足联 特别表示他们觉得被Infantino失望。 |
| 96 | He was somebody who promised reform when he came in. | 他进来时曾答应过改革 |
| 97 | He had been a key leader at UEFA for many years before becoming the FIFA president in 2016. | 在2016年成为国际足联主席之前,他在欧足联担任重要领导多年. |
| 98 | And more widely now, FIFA, perhaps there will be pressure for them to have a different model, maybe, that isn't so dependent on the presidents | 更广义地说,国际足联,也许会有压力 让他们有一个不同的模式,也许, 这不怎么依赖于总统 |
| 99 | and really that revolves around this buying off of smaller nations for approval, really. | 而实际上,它围绕着这个 收购小国 批准,真的。 |
| 100 | You know, we don't often hear backlash from those nations about governance. | 你知道,我们不经常听到 这些国家的反弹 关于治理。 |
| 101 | You know, we didn't hear backlash on this level around the following Balligan incident, for instance. | 你知道,我们没有听到这个层次的反弹 围绕之后的巴利根事件,例如。 |
| 102 | Infantino was still set to have huge support when it got to March 20, 27 for the election. | Infantino在3月20日27日的大选中仍被设定为获得巨大支持. |
| 103 | Even despite that, it has taken this massive development in the last week for that pressure to really start to be exerted on Gianni Infantino. | 即便如此,上个星期的这种大规模发展, 才真正开始对吉安尼·范蒂诺施加压力。 |
| 104 | So, yes, there will be perhaps pressure now for a different model at FIFA now where the president is not all powerful | 所以,是的,现在可能会有压力 在FIFA的另一种模式 现在,总统不是所有的力量 |
| 105 | and where perhaps governance and strategy and points of leadership come into play | 以及也许治理和战略以及领导点发挥作用的地方 |
| 106 | and maybe form a different kind of president and election going forward at FIFA. | 并可能形成另一种类型的 总统和选举 前进在国际足联。 |
| 107 | Joe, really good to get your thoughts. | 乔,很高兴能想到你的想法 |
| 108 | That was Joe Linsky from BBC Sport. | 那是英国广播公司的乔·林斯基 |
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