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Taylor Swift(霉霉) 接受独家专访,分享歌曲创作

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0:01It's still such a mystery to me even though I've I've been I've been writing songs for so long and虽然我写歌很久了 对我来说还是个谜
0:08I've started songs and finished songs so many different ways.我开始唱歌,完成歌曲 这么多不同的方式。
0:11They've gone through so many journeys.他们经历了这么多的旅程。
0:12They've happened quickly.它们发生得很快
0:13They've happened over time时常发生
0:15they've been it been inspired by my life by mythology by fables by books by movies by characters by他们的灵感来自我的生命 来自神话 寓言 书籍 电影 人物
0:21warnings lessons and警告教训和
0:25And they never quite happened exactly the same way and I still don't quite understand how it works他们从来没有发生过完全一样的事情 我仍然不明白它是如何运作的
0:30I have this very strong opinion that when you're young you feel things on such a我有一个非常强烈的看法, 当你年轻的时候, 你感觉到的东西在这样一个
0:35intense and detailed强烈和详细
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1It's still such a mystery to me even though I've I've been I've been writing songs for so long and虽然我写歌很久了 对我来说还是个谜
2I've started songs and finished songs so many different ways.我开始唱歌,完成歌曲 这么多不同的方式。
3They've gone through so many journeys.他们经历了这么多的旅程。
4They've happened quickly.它们发生得很快
5They've happened over time时常发生
6they've been it been inspired by my life by mythology by fables by books by movies by characters by他们的灵感来自我的生命 来自神话 寓言 书籍 电影 人物
7warnings lessons and警告教训和
8And they never quite happened exactly the same way and I still don't quite understand how it works他们从来没有发生过完全一样的事情 我仍然不明白它是如何运作的
9I have this very strong opinion that when you're young you feel things on such a我有一个非常强烈的看法, 当你年轻的时候, 你感觉到的东西在这样一个
10intense and detailed强烈和详细
11level there's an attention to detail when you are like当你喜欢的时候 细节会引起注意
1217 to 22 years old and you're longing or you're reaching and grasping but never holding17到22岁,你渴望... 或者你伸手抓住...
13someone's attention or someone's love or someone's dedication and you're just某人的注意力或某人的爱 或某人的奉献 你只是
14You can't understand why you spend all day thinking about it.你不明白你为什么整天都在想这个
15You notice everything you notice你注意到你发现的一切
16Candleash on the cuff of the shirt and the button and it's everything蜡烛在衬衫和扣子的袖子上,它的一切
17that makes the mythology of of those intense feelings that you have and I've always tried to like成为你那些强烈的感情的神话 我一直想
18Without being a completely unhinged adult keep that level of detail and intensity when it comes to trying to在努力做到这样的时候,没有完全不受欢迎的成年人保持这种详细程度和强度。
19describe a feeling I描述一种感觉 我
20Started writing songs when I was 12 as soon as my love for singing and and我12岁时就开始写歌了 我对唱歌的热爱
21Picking up an instrument happened捡起乐器
22Songwriting just spontaneously started becoming the entire cornerstone of my life歌词自发地成为我生命的全部基石
23I think the first songs that I like fell in love with was the type of songwriting that I think folk and country is我觉得我喜欢的首首歌 是那种民谣和乡村的歌词
24really kind of known for it's like that that真有名气 就是这样
25storytime structure songs like Harper Valley PTA or goodbye Earl by the Dixie Chicks or like故事时间结构歌曲如哈珀谷PTA 或告别厄尔 迪克西小鸡或喜欢
26you know any amazing Kenny Chesney song were like你知道任何惊人的肯尼·切斯尼的歌
27You know a hypothetical structure would be you know first verse little girl你知道假设的结构是 你知道第一个诗歌小女孩
28You know learns a lesson that in the chorus her mom teaches her about and the little girl grows up and now she's a teenager你知道一个教训,在合唱 她的妈妈教她 关于和小女孩长大 现在她是一个少年
29And she realizes oh my god她意识到哦,我的上帝
30My mom was right about this now the second time you hear the hook that same hook我妈说对了 你第二次听到同一个钩子
31Means something a little bit different because she's like grown up in her in her life意思是有点不一样 因为她就像在她生活中长大了
32Then the bridge maybe she goes on in her life.然后桥也许她继续她的人生。
33She has a little girl她有个小女孩
34She imparts that wisdom onto her and then if you really want to get me to cry她把智慧传授给她 如果你真想让我哭
35Bring back that same first line of the song and end the song with it把那首歌的第一行带回来 用它结束这首歌
36So that was the first thing that made me think it's got to be country music所以,这是第一件事 让我觉得 它必须是乡村音乐
37That was the first type that I really fell in love with but then lyricism I was the most intensely impacted by那是我真正爱上的第一种类型 但后来的歌词主义 我受到的影响最大
38emo音乐
39Right dashboard confessional Chris Carrabba右仪表盘忏悔者克里斯·卡拉巴
40Fallout boy Pete Wentz his lyrics how they take a common phrase and then they just堕落男孩皮特·温茨的歌词 他们用一个共同的短语 然后他们就
41Twist the knife of it right like I'm just a notch in your bedpost把它的刀子,就像我在你的床柱上
42But you're just a line in a song drop a heart break a name但你只是一首歌中的一行 心碎了的名字
43right like it's drop a name break a heart, but they switched it and I'd like those are the kind of lyrics where I would read the就像它掉了一个名字 打破了心脏,但他们切换了它 我希望这些歌词
44lyrics to歌词为
45Those songs or the specificity of hands down by dashboard confessional where I'd be reading those lyrics and I just这些歌或手的特异性 通过仪表板忏悔 我会读那些歌词
46Finished reading a line and just go oh读完一行就走
47My god, I got a publishing deal when I was 14天啊,我十四岁的时候有出版交易
48I was signed by a guy named Arthur Buenahora at Sony and he was just he just believed that I had a perspective that mattered and我在索尼有个叫阿瑟·布埃纳霍拉的人签的名 他只是相信我有个观点很重要
49I actually asked him if he could please hold my songs from being pitched to other artists其实我问他能不能帮我把歌 放在其他艺术家身上
50I was like just give me some time to try to get a record deal.我就想给我点时间去争取唱片交易
51I'm gonna try so hard我会努力的
52I could only must compare it to the Brill building.我只能把它和布里尔大楼比起来
53They have these offices on music row or他们有这些办公室 在音乐排或
54At least they had a lot of them then that were like these small至少他们有很多这样的小东西
55Houses these like cottages and bungalows now这些房子像小屋和公寓
56We have really tall buildings basically you'd go there and there'd be我们有很多高楼,基本上你会去那里,那里会
57three songwriters writing in this room three songwriters in this room four in this room two in this room and三个作曲家在这个房间里写 三个作曲者在这个房间里 四个在这个房间里
58I would just go to school我就会去上学
59Then my mom would drive me downtown然后我妈会载我到市中心
6030 minutes and I would go and I'd have a songwriting session with someone that I'd never met before but I really didn't want to30分钟,我会去,我会有一个歌写会 我从来没有见过的人 但我真的不想
61I didn't want to come in unprepared so I'd walk in with我不想不做好准备就进来
62four to five四至五岁
63Nearly finished things two half finished things ten hooks差不多完成的东西 两个半完成的东西 十钩
64Because I just never wanted people to be like, yeah因为我从不想别人喜欢,是的
65There's this like little kid that thinks she can swan her way into这就像一个小孩子,认为 她可以飞到她的方式
66Music row and just like write songs with these hit songwriters, but I think one of my favorite things about音乐排,就像写歌 与这些打击的歌曲写作, 但我认为我最喜欢的事情之一
67The Nashville music scene country music and the storytelling where it was when I arrived thereNashville的音乐场景乡村音乐 和故事讲述 当我到达那里时
68There was almost this几乎有这个
69tradition of sort of breaking the fourth wall making the song then a part of the song or the writing of the song becomes a那种打破第四面墙的传统 将歌曲制作成歌曲的一部分 或歌曲的写作成为
70Part of the song and I did that in a song called Tim McGraw歌曲的一部分,我做了 在一首歌叫蒂姆麦格劳
71where you know, I'm singing about this this kind of love lost and你知道,我唱 这样的爱失去了,
72Hoping that person thinks of me and then in the bridge it's revealed that I wrote this song and I hope he hears it希望那人想起我,然后在桥上 发现我写了这首歌,我希望他听到
73the song our song我们的歌
74Which I still love so much it's it's all about this romance in this relationship and then in the end it says我仍然非常喜欢它... ... ......
75Um, I grabbed a pen and an old napkin and I wrote down our song我拿起笔和餐巾纸 写下我们的歌
76So I loved doing that.所以我喜欢这样做。
77I still kind of love doing that the kind of just like and it was me我还是喜欢做那种事情 就像,它就是我
78My favorite end plot twist I think that I've done in songwriting is the ending of The Last Great American Dynasty我最喜欢的结局情节曲折 我想我在歌词创作中完成的 就是美国最后大王朝的结局
79That's my favorite one.这是我最喜欢的
80It is just这只是
81so much fun to like to tell this story about this说这个故事很有趣
82real woman who lived in history and and she defied the social norms and she活在历史中的女真人 她违抗了社会规范
83{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}她把一切都毁了 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你却在谈论房子
84she lived in on the coast and basically then in the end you're like, you know, she她住在海岸 然后基本上到最后 你就像,你知道,她
85Moved away from holiday house.离开度假屋
86It sat quietly on that beach free of women with madness它静静地坐在沙滩上,没有疯狂的女人
87They're men in bad habits and then it was bought by me and you're like every time I get to that part when I would sing他们都是坏习惯的人 然后它被我买下 你就像每次我到那个地方的时候
88It on tour.巡游时.
89I just like have to kind of like我只是喜欢 那种喜欢
90Like I wanted my grin to go from here to here, but that looks crazy就像我想笑 从这里到这里, 但看起来疯了
91So it's like I had to like taper down my own excitement that that that that hook happened所以,这就像我不得不喜欢 减低我自己的兴奋, 那钩发生
92I一、导 言
93Learned you can't ever really tell if other people are gonna like it学会了,你永远不能 真正告诉,如果别人会喜欢它
94But oftentimes when I love it to a certain degree但经常当我爱到某种程度
95That kind of tends to match up with people and it could be that it doesn't match up with the way people feel那种倾向与人相匹配 也可能与人的感觉不符
96Till six six years later.6年之后,我们再谈
97I loved the reputation album.我喜欢这张名声专辑
98I was like you guys say what you want.我就像你们说的一样
99I know what I did我知道我做了什麽
100I love it like go with God.我喜欢和上帝一起走
101Sorry, like you can come around if you want对不起,你想来就来
102It's okay if you don't and then you know six or seven years later people are like, oh my god如果你不这样做,那么你知道六七年后 人们会说,哦,我的上帝
103Like ready for it like people slept on that song就像人们睡在那首歌上
104When we were making that song I just remember like I wanted to like headbang myself through a wall当我们在做那首歌时,我只记得我想自己被撞到墙上
105I felt that when we wrote ready for it.当我们写作准备的时候 我感觉到了
106I felt that way during riding getaway car.我骑着逃跑的车就那样感觉
107I felt that way我觉得是这样
108I think the first way read I think the first time I felt like I我觉得第一种读法 我觉得第一次我觉得自己
109Don't care if people hate this because I love it so much was when I wrote the song love story when I was别管人们是否讨厌这个 因为我太爱它了 当我写歌情故事的时候
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111Sitting in my bedroom mad at my parents because they wouldn't let me go on a date with a guy who was too old坐在我卧室里 生我父母的气 因为他们不让我和一个太老的男人约会
112So I shouldn't have been on a date with him anyway所以我不该跟他约会的
113And this is why you need to discipline your kids because they might write songs这就是为什么你需要 纪律你的孩子,因为他们可能写歌曲
114That go number one这是第一
115When I wrote speak now, I was当我写到现在,我是
11618 and 19 and I was18和19,我当时
117coming from来自
118This big massive moment that I had with an album called fearless and it had one album of the year at the Grammys这个巨大的时刻,我有一个专辑 叫做无所畏惧 它有一张专辑 在一年的格莱美斯
119and it was this就是这样
120Big it was the first time there was like this big debate over whether I deserved to be there大块头,这是第一次 有这样的大辩论 关于我是否值得在那里
121They're not there are always gonna be like little debates.他们不会总是像小辩论一样
122Do you know what I mean?你知道我的意思吗?
123But this was like headline news但是这就像头条新闻
124I was like these我就是这样
125discussions can lead to a really bad place if I don't do something to counteract them and to prove that no it wasn't my讨论会导致一个非常糟糕的地方 如果我不做一些事情 来对抗他们 并证明它不是我的
126co-writers that did all this work and做了所有这些工作的合写人
127Yes, I am the author of是的,我写了
128This entire body of work that I was very proud of I'd written so many songs alone and I love collaboration我为这整个作品感到骄傲 我独自写了这么多歌 我喜欢合作
129I love co-writers, but it's not something that I needed我喜欢合作作家,但这不是我需要的东西
130It's it's when I started to trust myself as an editor because a lot of what I'll do in a session那时我开始相信自己当编辑 因为很多事情我都会做
131even now即使现在
132and one of the reasons why Liz Rose and Jack Antonoff became like people that I loved to write with for以及为什么丽兹·罗斯和杰克·安东诺夫 变得像我爱为
133albums and albums is because I'll have this stream of consciousness pouring out and专辑和专辑都是因为我会把意识流涌出来
134Liz would sit there with a with a notepad, but when you take that away, I just started丽兹会拿着纸条坐在那里 但当你拿掉它,我刚开始
135You know recording everything right recording everything on a voice memo你知道录制一切正确的记录 在语音备忘录上的一切
136Because there will be times when I'm like kind of in a zone and I'm writing so fast that there's no chance因为有时我会像在一个区域 我写得太快,没有机会
137I'm gonna remember what that melody was that I did, you know我会记得那旋律 是我做了什么,你知道
138two minutes ago that I thought was cool for the the verse that was a really important album for me in terms of两分钟前 我觉得这段诗歌很酷 这对我来说很重要
139In terms of of becoming a writer that that knew I could trust my own intuition I have little phonetic things在成为一名知道可以相信自己的直觉的作家方面,我有些小话要说
140I love alliterations.我喜欢喷水
141I love you know, two two words that start with the same letter我爱你,两个字从同一个字母开始
142Love that.喜欢
143I I don't like to have a word end with the same letter that the next word starts with for example我不喜欢一个词的结尾 同一个字母,下一个词开始 例如
144In the song our song it was supposed to be when you're on the phone and you talk real low, but I was like I在歌曲中,我们的歌曲应该是 当你在电话上,你说话非常低调, 但我就像我
145Don't like I don't like the real low so it's turned into when you talk real slow不喜欢我不喜欢真正的低调 所以当你说话很慢的时候它就变了
146Certain words just like fly for me and I think one of the reasons I like to take有些词就像飞给我听 我想一个我喜欢的原因
147either无论是
148age old cautionary sort of phrases or things that you've heard in年老的警告 那种短语或事情 你听说过
149books films kind of these classic lines and then书本电影之类的经典台词,然后
150repurposing them inverting them or like redefining them in some way is because I sort of love the重新使用它们 倒置或喜欢 以某种方式重新定义它们 因为我有点喜欢
151combination of组合
152Modern vernacular and sort of old-world or classic timeless speak so in the song the fate of Ophelia现代的方言 一种古老的 或经典的无时无刻在歌中 说奥菲利亚的命运
153There's a lot of sort of modern有很多现代的
154Terminology and speak and kind of common phrases from the way that we talk now术语和说话 和那种常见的短语 从我们现在说话的方式
155But there's also like in the bridge.但桥上也有类似的东西.
156It's it there's a line from Hamlet that I repurposed这是有一条线 从哈姆雷特,我重新设计
157I really gravitate towards juxtaposition and polarity in a line, right?我真正引力 走向并列和极性 在一条线,对不对?
158So hey所以,嘿哟
159What could you possibly get for the girl who has everything and nothing all at once our coming of age has come and gone你可能得到什么 对于女孩 谁拥有一切 什么都没有,当我们 来来来去
160You take one word that's at the beginning of the phrase and then you take its opposite你取一个词,在句子的开头, 然后你取相反
161because ultimately like we are all filled with因为最终就像我们都充满了
162Polarity hypocrisy these kind of battling极性伪善 这种战斗
163Features and factors that make up our our jagged personalities.特征和因素 构成我们的错位人物。
164I have my phone and I have我有我的电话,我有
165This file where I just I'll just feel like I know I I know I like that or I know I like that word or I这个文件,我只是觉得 我知道我知道我喜欢,或我知道我喜欢这个词
166know I like知道我喜欢
167That question and then when I'll go into a session这个问题,然后当我去参加一个会议
168I don't have social media on my phone我手机上没有社交媒体
169Like it looks like I'm just endlessly scrolling but I'm scrolling through a words like the words in my file好像我在无休止地滚动 但我在滚动一个字
170If we're in the middle of writing a song如果我们正在写歌
171I'm searching for a like a perfect line that I thought of four years ago at three in the morning我在寻找一条我四年前 凌晨三点想到的完美的台词
172I think the importance for me of a bridge it just feels like我觉得桥对我很重要 感觉就像
173We're painting a picture.我们在画画
174We're setting a scene.我们正在设定一个场景。
175We have this opportunity as a songwriter to我们有这个机会,作为一个作曲家
176tell an entire story an entire movie or or a very detailed description of one scene in a movie or a讲述整个故事 整个电影 或非常详细的描述 在电影或一个
177Very nuanced dynamic between people or a complicated emotion and we have only so long to do this人与人之间非常细微的动静 或复杂的情感 我们只有这么长的时间来做这件事
178You know, I've written some really long songs in my life你知道,我写了一些很长的歌 在我的生活
179But for the most part they're between three and a half and four minutes you can start like painting the picture in the verse但大部分时间在三点半到四分钟之间 你可以开始像在诗中画画一样
180You can get to the heart of it at the chorus你可以在合唱团里找到它的核心
181but then但后来
182The bridge can be where you zoom back you walk 20 feet back and you see what this entire桥可以在那里你放大回 你走20英尺后,你看这整个
183Painting was supposed to be like you've seen brushstrokes.画画就像你见过刷子一样
184You've seen the color tones你见过的颜色色调
185But the bridge can be when you step back and you feel everything that that piece of art was supposed to make you feel但桥可能是当你退后, 你感觉到一切,那件艺术品 是让你感觉
186That's just how I feel about bridges.这就是我对桥梁的感觉
187I一、导 言
188came up as a songwriter in Nashville where structure is成为纳什维尔的作曲家 在那里结构
189A huge part of how you effectively tell a story, right?你如何有效地讲述一个故事的很大一部分,对不对?
190You go verse chorus second verse chorus bridge chorus你唱诗歌 第二首诗歌桥歌
191Maybe you repeat that first verse if you want to if you want to pull it some heartstrings if it makes sense now也许你要重复第一首诗,如果你想拉它一些心弦,如果它现在有意义的话
192That's something that I absolutely subscribe to that idea that it's you know structure is is important我绝对认同这个想法 你知道结构很重要
193But I think that when you write enough songs and at least in my case但我认为,当你写足够多的歌, 至少我的情况
194The intuitive part of your songwriting brain can kind of create a你写歌的大脑的直觉部分 可以创造一种
195New structure that's not as classically what you've been taught like Jack Antonoff is a collaborator of mine and one of my best friends像杰克·安东诺夫那样的 不像你所学的古典新结构 是我的合作者和我最好的朋友之一
196We established this thing that we love to do and we call it the rant bridge我们建立了我们喜欢做的事,我们称之为"怒火桥"
197I could point to examples like out of the woods我可以举出树林里的例子
198Is it over now cruel summer and oftentimes we love these rant bridges where it's basically like现在是残酷的夏天吗? 我们常常喜欢这些破桥 基本上就像
199Stream of consciousness意识流
200endless pouring out of emotion无尽的情绪倾注
201intrusive thoughts like like blended with metaphor with discussion with像隐喻和讨论一样的侵入性思想
202{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}就像你想要这破桥 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}感受最强烈的感觉
203Establish over the course of the song and you want it to kind of be a crescendo唱完这首歌你就想当个重庆
204We usually love those so much that we then bring them back so we'll go you know我们通常都喜欢这些 然后把它们带回来
205Verse chorus verse chorus rant bridge华丽的诗歌 朗特桥
206Sometimes like a little post coda to that rant bridge有时像一个小 后科达到那座野桥
207Last course bring the rant bridge back.最后一条路把兰特桥带回来
208Maybe with the chorus chords underneath it也许和弦在它下面
209The mirror ball bridge this was Jack sending me a track during kovat and镜子球桥,这是杰克给我送 赛道在科瓦特和
210Me immediately knowing that it needed to be about how I felt as a performer and an entertainer我马上知道,这需要 关于我的感受 作为一个表演者和娱乐者
211Within this moment where it went entertainment and art has effectively shut down.在这个娱乐和艺术消失的时刻里
212I'm still gonna stand on this tightrope我还是要站在这个紧绳上
213I'm still up on the trapeze.我还在忙这个
214I'm still gonna try to do tricks for you.我还是会试着为你做一些小把戏
215But at the same time, you know但与此同时,你知道
216Being a person in the public eye.当大众眼中人.
217I've I've really begun to realize that you are a mirror like you are a mirror for我开始意识到你就像镜子一样
218Your fans for the media for people on the internet for just random你的粉丝在媒体上为网络上的人
219Just people who don't even really care about your music, but they know who you are只是不关心你音乐的人 但他们知道你是谁
220However, they feel about themselves and their life然而,他们对自己和生活的感觉
221Will be projected onto how they perceive you会被投射到他们如何看待你
222A public person who makes art is a mirror ball and做艺术的公众人物 是一个镜子球和
223and that's part of why I've been able to keep my wits about me through all this because I know that and这就是为什么我一直能保持我的智慧 通过这一切,因为我知道,
224I'm really kind of aware of that dynamic我真的很了解这种动态
225But I'm still endlessly fascinated by people by the human experience by why people are the way they are by the the ways that they feel但我仍然无休止地迷上人们 以人类的经验 来思考为什么人们是 他们的感觉的方式
226Emotion.情绪。
227I think that's what keeps us connected even though, you know, you can make these kind of like shockingly vulnerable我认为这就是让我们保持联系的原因 虽然,你知道, 你可以使这种 像令人震惊的脆弱
228Confessions within a song by being like I've never been a natural.歌里面的忏悔 就像我从未是天生的
229All I do is try try try and我所做的只是尝试尝试
230You say that at first and I remember writing that and being like, oh my god, this this feels like一开始你这么说 我记得我写了这首歌 却觉得
231Like do you want to say this and I'm like actually I feel like a lot of people feel that way that always overrides my就像你想说,我其实感觉很多人 都觉得这样总是会超越我
232Discomfort with if a line feels too true because I don't really think that there's anything that's too true不喜欢一行人觉得太对 因为我不觉得有什么太对
233the whole thing with all too well was that this was a整个事情 与太好 是,这是一个
234very emotional rant that I did in我当时的情绪很激动
235Like a soundcheck we were rehearsing for the the speak now tour就像一个声音检查 我们排练的演讲 现在巡演
236I was very sad in a way that you know我非常难过,你知道的
237You're like you're like 21 years old and you're just like excruciatingly just like you are sadness is you you are sadness你就像你21岁,你就像 疯狂的,就像你悲伤,你是悲伤
238I just in a break我只是在休息时间
239I just started playing the same four chords over and over again我开始一遍又一遍地演奏同样的四首和弦
240It's basically the same four chords over and over again for the whole song and it just became this thing where I just started整首歌的四首和弦一遍又一遍 才刚开始
241Rambling and this thing went on for a really really long time朗布林和这件事情持续了很长一段时间
242It was like more than ten minutes that this rambling rant10多分钟后,这个胡言乱语
243Went on and it wasn't cohesive and it wasn't really that structured继续,它没有凝聚力, 它不是真的有条理
244But it felt afterward like I think my mom or somebody went up to the sound guy was like但后来我觉得 我妈妈或某人去听声音
245Did you by any chance record any of that and he was like, yeah你录过任何记录 他喜欢,是的
246I did and I would have walked away from it if he didn't have a recording of it我做到了,我会走开,如果他没有记录它
247So I went back and listened to it and I was like, oh, here's this ten minute于是我回去听了一下 然后,哦,这十分钟
248like basically喜欢基本上
249catharsis of阴茎
250intense emotion like there are some really angry scathing parts that I was like强烈的情感就像有些 真正愤怒的斑点,我就像
251{\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}得把这编成一首歌
252That's a little bit more palatable because I already felt so like raw有点好,因为我已经觉得很生了
253Putting that song out as detailed as it was把那首歌写得那么详细
254So then it goes out into the world然后它就传入世界
255It didn't make a lot of noise that song for the first这首歌没有引起很大的声音
256Six months to a year, but then the fans the fans just did a thing that they've done a few times半年到一年,但后来粉丝们 做了一件他们做过几次的事
257Where this song just keeps bubbling up?哪里这首歌只是 不停地积聚?
258They did this with cruel summer to where they're just like no we like it他们用残酷的夏天来做这件事 他们就像没有我们喜欢的地方
259We don't care if a label wants to put it out.我们不在乎一个标签 想要把它熄灭。
260We love this one.我们喜欢这个
261So I ended up playing it on the Grammys我最后在格莱美队上弹
262I've made the mistake of kind of explaining how the song came to be in an interview我犯了一个错误 解释这首歌是如何在采访中出现的
263It ended up being a really fortuitous mistake that turned into being like, oh, I'm so glad that happened它最终是一个非常偶然的错误, 它变成了像, 哦,我很高兴发生了
264but for years the fans were like give us the 10-minute version give us the 10-minute version and但多年来粉丝们都喜欢给我们10分钟的版本 给我们10分钟的版本
265I was like going back through diaries and finding like little fragments of it and我就像回到日记里 找到一些小碎片一样
266I didn't have the like old我没有像以前那样
267Thing anymore.东西了。
268So I was looking through safes trying to find the CD所以我通过保险箱寻找CD
269But I had to go back and piece together lyrics and stuff, but it was that was the most extensive但我必须回去 拼写歌词和东西, 但这是最广泛的
270Restoration process I've ever done on a song.修复过程 我做过的歌曲。
271No, I don't think I'll ever experience anything like that again不,我再也不会经历这种事了
272There are so many different ways that a song begins in my world.有很多不同的方式 让我的世界开始一首歌
273I'll take an example like我举个例子
274The song Elizabeth Taylor I'm riding in the car with Travis I go on and on and explaining to Travis like why I love我和Travis在车里的歌... ...我不停地和Travis解释...
275Elizabeth Taylor so much.伊丽莎白·泰勒 这么多。
276She fought for artists rights.她为艺术家的权利而战.
277She was exploited in so many ways and yet she kept her humanity她被剥削了这么多 却保持了人性
278She kept her humor.她留着她的幽默。
279She kept her passion for life她保持了一生的热情
280And I'm just going on and on and like her eyes were violet.我不停地说 好像她的眼睛是紫色的
281Some people said they were blue有人说他们是蓝色的
282Some people said they were violent.有些人说他们是暴力的。
283I think they were violet and我认为他们是紫罗兰和
284We arrived we get home he gets out of the car and I'm just in my head.我们到家了,他下车了,我就在脑子里
285I'm like this intrusive melody我就像这种侵扰性的旋律
286I'd cry my eyes violet Elizabeth Taylor and我会哭我的眼睛紫色伊丽莎白泰勒和
287I'm just like scrambling to open my my record like app on my phone我就像在乱跑 打开我的唱片 就像手机上的应用
288But that's like one of those spontaneous places where it floats down like a cloud in front of you and all you have to do但是,这就像一个自发的地方 它漂浮下来,像云 在你面前,你所要做的
289Is grab it and the song?是抢它和歌?
290Transpires from there.从那里传来
291It comes as if from nowhere.从甚么处来.
292That's a really fun way that that songs come about歌声的来历真是有趣
293That's the way it happens most of the time大多数时候都是这样
294Another way that a song could happen is that someone a producer that I love to work with like Aaron Dessner or Jack Antonov另一种可能发生一首歌的方式是 一个我爱的制片人
295Could make an instrumental可以做一个工具
296Send it to me and immediately I'll write what's called a top line on top of it寄给我,我马上写上上面的台词
297if that's the vocal melody and the lyrics another way of writing songs is that you're in the room with your collaborator and如果这是声乐旋律和歌词 另一种写歌的方式 是,你与你的合作者和
298one of you starts playing something like for example like你们中有人开始玩 譬如说
299Jack starts playing this piano part and it turns into this song called New Year's Day that piano partJack开始弹钢琴 变成这首叫新年的歌
300Was just like enough to springboard the entire song足以跳出这首歌
301Writing sessions is a way that I love to write because you're all in the room.写作是我喜欢写作的方式 因为你们都在房间里
302Everyone's bringing ideas.每个人都带了点子
303Everyone's chiming in每个人都在鸣叫
304I always apply the rule.我总是应用规则。
305May the best idea win愿最好的主意获胜
306I don't care if it came from you you or me if it's better我不管你还是我送来的,如果更好
307That's what goes in the song and I do kind of like it when people歌里就是这样,我很喜欢
308Challenge me on something because I never want to be in the room with creators who are afraid that if if they have a better idea挑战我的东西 因为我从不想和创造者在一起 他们害怕如果他们有更好的主意
309Like they can't they can't argue with me because it must be my idea that makes it through就像他们不能和我争吵一样 因为一定是我的主意
310I'm never gonna grow that way.我永远不会那样长大
311Well, I think that you know, the嗯,我认为你知道,
3122010s was a time for women in the entertainment industry that like2010年代是娱乐界女性喜欢
313We don't eat we we need like we'll talk about it later我们不吃,我们需要的,我们待会再谈
314like we're all just still trying we're all still limping away from that and就像我们都在努力 我们仍然在跛脚 远离那,
315I think that conversations are much more healthy now around我觉得现在谈话更健康了
316there's a difference between art and艺术和
317就像在Instagram上喊叫一样
318There's a difference.有分别.
319This is a song this takes craft这是一首歌,这需要技巧
320This takes skill this takes expertise, but I also am really excited这需要技能 需要专业知识 但我也很兴奋
321That like I'm a massive somber fan of his songwriting and his lyrics are so就像我是他的歌词的超级粉丝 他的歌词是如此
322Intensely confessional.勤严忏悔.
323I don't like what another man's child to have the eyes of the girl我不喜欢别人的孩子 拥有女孩的眼睛
324I can't forget.我不能忘记。
325Are you kidding me?你在开玩笑吧?
326Like having a male artist say stuff like that is really good for the cause of women to be able to say stuff if there's就像让一个男艺人说出这样的话 女人能说出这样的话
327Any way we can make confessional songwriting a little bit more of something that isn't like people take that as sort of like you were任何一种方式,我们可以做忏悔 歌曲写作 一点点多的东西,不 像人们采取
328Being messy or whatever乱七八糟的
329You you have to be fair to everyone then are like our rap beefs messy or are they confessional like we've got to just like你必须对每个人都公平,然后就像我们的说唱牛肉 乱七八糟,或者他们是忏悔 像我们不得不喜欢
330Let's make it a music conversation rather than just like ganging up on the female artists and I think the more让我们做一个音乐对话 而不是仅仅像串通 女性艺术家 我认为更多
331male artists that are messy or男性艺术家的混乱或
332emotionally complex or confessional or upset感情复杂或忏悔或不安
333The happier I am I can only speak to me我越高兴,我只能和我说话
334but as I've grown up the intensity of the sort of但随着我长大 强度这种
335No pun intended message in a bottle nature of my songwriting has shifted and changed into something else我写歌的瓶装性质里没有发声的意思 已经改变和改变为别的东西
336It used to be like I can't tell a person how I feel so I'll write it in this song and以前我无法告诉别人我的感受 所以我会写在这首歌里
337That was really important for me at the time that it was important for me这对我很重要 对我很重要
338It's also you know这也是你知道的
339important when you're in your early 20s and there's someone you shouldn't talk to and you don't want to call them because they're bad for20多岁的时候很重要 有个你不该和别人说话 不想给他们打电话 因为他们不适合
340You and it's toxic你和它的毒性
341So you just you write it in the song and that's where it lives like almost as a method of like self-control or self-preservation所以,你只是把它写在歌曲中, 这就是它生活的地方 几乎像一种方法 像自我控制或自我保护
342or something but还是什么,但是
343For the folklore album and everything like that.为了民俗专辑之类的
344It was really痷
345It wasn't as a response to be having a public life and the intrusions that come with that过着公众生活 以及随之而来的入侵
346It was really more of just wanting to challenge myself as a writer更想挑战自己作为一个作家
347I really have always just thought it would be so amazing to write books and我真的一直以为写书会很棒
348it's so exciting to have the challenge of could I能挑战我真是激动人心
349Could I get enough plot points in in a three and a half minute song to where people felt like they read something after?我能在三分钟半的歌里 得到足够多的情节点吗?
350They heard it or just take you back to that他们听见了,或者把你带回去
351Bedtime story kind of tell me a story.睡觉时间的故事有点告诉我一个故事。
352I want to be able to put my own image on these characters and我想把自己的形象放在这些角色身上
353It was really amazing when it opened up my world.当它打开我的世界时,它真的很惊人。
354I don't think my songwriting has ever been the same after folklore我想我的歌词跟民间传说的歌词不一样
355I have always had a little bit of that sort of character我总是有点那种性格
356Play in my songwriting sense and I and I hope it never goes anywhere.照我写歌的意境来演奏 我希望它永远不要消失
357It's really fun这真的很有趣
358I一、导 言
359Kind of like being a narrator.有点像一个旁白。
360That's not the person I那个人不是我
361relate to so the narrator and Clara bow is因此,旁白和克拉拉的弓是
362either a studio like a Hollywood studio person or a label executive who's sitting in my mind behind a desk and要么像好莱坞工作室那样的工作室 要么就是坐在桌子后面的标签主管
363Meeting with a brand-new starlet who's just come to town.和刚来镇上的新星见面
364The exec says you look like Clara bow in this light.执行官说你看起来像克拉拉在这光线下鞠躬
365It's remarkable真不错
366You're so special.你真特别
367You're amazing.你真厉害
368We're gonna make you just like her in my mind that girl was Stevie Nicksи穦琵钩妓
369Right, so Stevie Nicks sits down they tell her she looks like Clara bow对,所以史提夫・尼克斯坐下来 告诉她她看起来像克拉拉的弓
370She's got those big moon eyes and we're gonna make you just like her.她有那些大月亮的眼睛,我们会让你像她一样。
371Don't worry别担心
372We're gonna put you through this machine and you'll be a god我们要把你通过这台机器,你将成为神
373The second verse says you look like Stevie Nicks in this light the hair and lips第二首诗说,你看起来像史提夫・尼克斯 光着头发和嘴唇
374So in my mind that was me that sat down opposite that desk, right?在我脑海中,我坐在桌子对面,对吧?
375I sit down at a record label and they're like you look like Stevie Nicks will make you the next Stevie Nicks and basically我坐在唱片牌子上 他们就像你看起来像史提夫・尼克斯 会让你成为下一个史提夫・尼克斯
376You learn that like you're in this machine and they're they're trying to make you into a woman that they just你学会了就像你在这台机器里 他们想把你变成一个 他们只是
377Idealized and then discarded like the entertainment industry love bombs women, right?理想,然后丢弃 像娱乐业喜欢炸弹的女人,对不对?
378We love you我们爱你
379We don't know who you are.我们不知道你是谁。
380Why are you even here?你怎么会在这里?
381And so in the last verse in my mind所以在我最后的诗句里
382It's a new artist that sits down across from a record label desk and I say you look like Taylor Swift in this light是一个新艺术家,坐在唱片标签台对面 我说你看起来像泰勒·斯威夫特
383We're loving it.我们很喜欢它。
384You've got edge你有优势
385The future's bright dazzling and cuz that's also another thing that you get when you're a female in the music or the entertainment industry未来明亮的眩晕 也因为当你是音乐界或娱乐界的女演员时
386Movies, whatever.电影,什么的。
387It's like oh you you're like you're like this person that we like they name a big name这就像哦,你喜欢你 像这个人,我们喜欢 他们命名一个大名字
388And they're like, oh, but but you're gonna be so much better.他们喜欢,哦, 但你会好得多。
389It's gonna be so no, no, no, it's gonna be cooler不会的,不会的,会更酷的
390You're gonna be you're so much better你会好起来的
391Like to offset the comparison on red.喜欢抵消对红色的比较.
392There was a song that I wrote有首歌是我写的
393Alone in a hotel room when I was 22 years old called nothing new where I'm我22岁时独自在酒店房间 说我住的地方没什么新鲜事
394It sounds ridiculous.这听起来很可笑。
395But at 22 years old, I felt completely washed up但22岁时,我感觉完全被冲走了
396I felt like maybe the only thing that made me special was that I was this like teen phenom我觉得也许唯一让我特别的就是 我就像十几岁时一样
397whatever I was looked at as so I wrote this song and includes lines like, you know不管我被看成什么 所以我写了这首歌 并包括了台词
398How can a person know everything at 18 and nothing at 22?一个人怎么会18岁就什么都知道 22岁就什么都不知道?
399Because when I was 18, I had the fearless album come out and I had my first international number ones and everybody was like因为当我18岁的时候,我得到了无畏的专辑 出来,我有我的第一个国际号码
400Oh this writing it it's so true.哦,这写它是如此真实。
401It's so honest这么诚实
402She did she feels like she deserves to be here and then there was this big upheaval of no, she doesn't她真的觉得她应该来这里 然后发生了一场大动荡 不,她不
403No, she doesn't不,她没有
404she sucks actually and it was it was like it really turned the tables on my perception of of她实际上很烂,就像它真的 翻了桌子 关于我的看法,
405Like love can be so quickly handed to you and then taken away and it's this就像爱情可以这么快地交给你 然后就被带走了 就是这样
406It's this kind of strange这很奇怪
407Thing with fame and that was the first time I ever grappled with that somebody was like, oh you're 22 years old and you're saying与名声有关,这是我第一次 与某人是喜欢,哦,你22岁 你说
408Like are you like are you tired of me if you're not yet?就像你喜欢你厌倦了我,如果你还没有?
409Are you going to get tired of me because it's usually something that you would sing about later in life你会不会厌倦我 因为通常你以后会唱歌
410But the entertainment industry I'll tell you there's ten years for every year.但我会告诉你娱乐业 每年有十年的时间
411You're in it, but it's fun你在里面,但是这很有趣
412Songwriting is something that it's a very歌曲写作是一种非常
413Intimate tiny little thing for me.对我而言,很亲密的小东西。
414I have a lot of things.我有很多东西
415I like to do I like to bake我喜欢做,我喜欢烤
416I like to make art.我喜欢做艺术。
417I like to paint.我喜欢画画
418I like to sew I like to write songs and我喜欢缝合 我喜欢写歌
419I try to keep it as like dear to me as those other things我尽量保持它 像亲爱的我 和其他的东西一样
420I just named I have to know that like there's certain things that we have as a tradition between me and my fans我刚刚取了个名字,我必须知道, 像我和我的粉丝之间 有着某种传统
421They love for an emotional song to be track five.他们喜欢一首情感歌曲成为第五轨道.
422There's like special things like that.亦有如是等诸特殊事.
423But at the same time但同时
424there's还有
425sort of有点
426So many of them now, which is great这么多,现在,这是伟大的
427But there's corners of my fan base who are going to take things to a really extreme place但我的粉丝基地的角落 会把事情带到一个非常极端的地方
428There's nothing I can do about that.我无能为力
429There's people who are going to try to like有人会试着喜欢
430Do detective work figure out the details who is that about?探长知道是谁干的吗?
431What is this when it gets a little bit weird for me is when people act like it's sort of like a paternity test当我觉得有点奇怪的时候, 是什么,当人们表现得像一个父亲的测试
432Like this songs about that person because I'm like that dude didn't write the song I did就像这首关于那个人的歌 因为我就像那个家伙没有写我写的歌
433But that's part of it you have to hold tight to但这是其中的一部分 你必须紧紧抓住
434Your perception of your art your art and your relationship with it and then you just kind of have to like there it goes你对艺术的认知 你的艺术和与它的关系 然后你不得不喜欢那里
435Hope you like it if you don't now hope you do in five years and it like and if you never do then I was doing希望你喜欢它,如果你现在不希望你做 在五年里,它喜欢,如果你从来没有这样做,那我正在做
436It for me.这对我来说。
437Anyway, yeah criticism has been a huge fuel for me总之,是的,批评 对我来说是一个巨大的燃料
438It's been a huge jumping-off point like a creative writing prompt or something这是一个巨大的跳跃点 像一个创造性的写作提示什么的
439There are so many songs in my career that would not exist like blank space我的事业里有这么多的歌 都不会像空白的空间一样存在
440Would not exist if I hadn't had people being like here's a side job all her boyfriends like and then antihero is a song that如果我没有像这里这样的人 她的男朋友都喜欢做副业 那么反英雄就是一首歌
441I'm so proud of still like that song doesn't exist if I don't get criticized for我为这首歌而自豪 如果我没有被批评
442Every aspect of my personality that people, you know have a problem with or whatever我的性格的每一个方面 人,你知道有一个问题或什么的
443My my favorite thing when I sit down with new artists or songwriters, I'm like我最喜欢的东西,当我坐下 与新艺术家或作曲家,我就像
444Why are you reading your comments like that's too much of it为什么你读你的评论 喜欢它太多
445Like that's your you're inundating yourself with too much criticism that doesn't really have a focus就像你那样,你用太多的批评 淹没了自己的注意力
446But I think a little bit of it但我有点觉得
447You got to just be like this is part of it.你得像它的一部分。
448Like don't make this make you stop像不做这个让你停止
449Writing or make you edit yourself or whatever if it's an interesting point to you to kind of respond to then that's a that's a gift写作或让你自己编辑 或随便什么 如果这是有趣的一点 给你做出回应 那么这就是个礼物
450For you to be able to write something.为了你能写点什么
451Maybe you wouldn't have written something that day也许那天你不会写什么
452But don't like god don't don't go to the like notes app and post it like write about it但不要喜欢上帝 不要去像笔记一样的应用 并张贴它像写它
453Right make art about this don't respond to like trolls in your comments在你的评论里,关于这个的艺术 不像巨怪那样
454That's not that's not what we want from you.这不是我们希望从你身上得到的。
455We want your art我们要你的艺术
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