7-31 是什么引发了巴控克什米尔的致命抗议活动？ | BB
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| 0:00 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 0:02 | Hello, I'm Oliver Conway. | 你好 我是奥利弗·康威 |
| 0:04 | And today we're joined | 今天我们加入了 |
| 0:05 | 我们的南亚专家 和Barisan Etta Rajan谈论巴基斯坦。 | |
| 0:11 | Now, Pakistan has | 现在,巴基斯坦已经 |
| 0:13 | been positioning itself as a key mediator in the US-Iran war, but it's experiencing violence and | 将自己定位为美国-伊朗战争中的关键调解人,但它正经历着暴力和战争。 |
| 0:19 | political turmoil at home. | 国内政治动荡. |
| 0:22 | Let's start in Pakistani-administered Kashmir. | 从巴基斯坦管理的克什米尔开始 |
| 0:25 | Tell us about | 告诉我们 |
| 0:26 | the deadly election protests which have been taking place there. | 在那里发生的致命的选举抗议。 |
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| 1 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 2 | Hello, I'm Oliver Conway. | 你好 我是奥利弗·康威 |
| 3 | And today we're joined | 今天我们加入了 |
| 4 | 我们的南亚专家 和Barisan Etta Rajan谈论巴基斯坦。 | |
| 5 | Now, Pakistan has | 现在,巴基斯坦已经 |
| 6 | been positioning itself as a key mediator in the US-Iran war, but it's experiencing violence and | 将自己定位为美国-伊朗战争中的关键调解人,但它正经历着暴力和战争。 |
| 7 | political turmoil at home. | 国内政治动荡. |
| 8 | Let's start in Pakistani-administered Kashmir. | 从巴基斯坦管理的克什米尔开始 |
| 9 | Tell us about | 告诉我们 |
| 10 | the deadly election protests which have been taking place there. | 在那里发生的致命的选举抗议。 |
| 11 | Well, if you look at the | 好吧,如果你看着 |
| 12 | Pakistani media newspapers today, there will be three different stories. | 今天的巴基斯坦媒体报纸将出现三个不同的故事。 |
| 13 | One is about the ongoing | 一是关于正在进行的 |
| 14 | attentions and violence in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. | 巴基斯坦管理的克什米尔地区的关注和暴力。 |
| 15 | Second one is the attack on a police | 第二个是袭击警察 |
| 16 | checkpost in the northwest in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and also violence in Balochistan. | 在西北部开伯尔帕赫图赫瓦的检查站以及俾路支省的暴力。 |
| 17 | So that clearly | 很明显 |
| 18 | gives you a picture of what's happening in Pakistan. | 让你了解巴基斯坦的情况 |
| 19 | Let's pick, unpick one by one. | 我们来挑,一个接一个 |
| 20 | First, | 首先,我们... |
| 21 | the ongoing tensions in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. | 巴基斯坦管理的克什米尔的持续紧张局势。 |
| 22 | For weeks, a civil rights group called | 几周来,一个民权团体叫 |
| 23 | Joint Awami Action Committee have been holding sit-ins, demonstrations and rallies with various | 人民行动联合委员会一直在举行静坐、示威和集会。 |
| 24 | demands. | 需求。 |
| 25 | One of the key demands being they wanted electoral changes to the local legislature, | 一个关键的要求是 他们希望选举 改变的地方立法机构, |
| 26 | basically for 12 seats that are being reserved for people who came from Indian-administered | 基本上为12个席位保留给来自印度管理的人 |
| 27 | Kashmir. | 克什米尔. |
| 28 | So they say, the civil rights groups, they say that that gives them a disproportionate | 他们说,民权团体, 他们说,这给他们 不成比例的 |
| 29 | influence in regional legislature and also they should be given to people who are living in | 在区域立法机构中的影响,也应给予生活在 |
| 30 | Pakistan-administered Kashmir, not outside elsewhere in Pakistan. | 巴基斯坦管理克什米尔,不在巴基斯坦其他地方。 |
| 31 | That has been the main demand. | 这是主要的要求。 |
| 32 | Now, | 现在, |
| 33 | according to various estimates, more than 30 people, some even say up to 40, have been killed | 根据各种估计,30多人被杀,有些人甚至说高达40人。 |
| 34 | in the ongoing clashes between security forces and the civil rights group and the internet has | 在安全部队与民权团体和互联网之间不断发生的冲突中, |
| 35 | been patchy for several weeks there and now the protesters, they want to march from the city of | 抗议者想从城市游行, |
| 36 | Rawalakot to the regional capital, Musafirabad. | 拉瓦拉科特至地区首府穆萨菲拉巴德. |
| 37 | Now, the government has deployed hundreds of, | 现在,政府部署数百人 |
| 38 | thousands of security personnel there and the government's argument has been any change to | 数千名保安人员 和政府的论据 已经改变为 |
| 39 | the regional legislature has to be done through the constitution. | 区域立法机构必须通过宪法进行。 |
| 40 | That means you have to change | 也就是说你必须改变 |
| 41 | the constitution so it cannot be done now. | 宪法,所以现在不能这样做。 |
| 42 | And in between, the elections are happening. | 在选举之间,选举正在发生。 |
| 43 | The first | 第一个 |
| 44 | phase of the election was over. | 选举阶段已经结束。 |
| 45 | The next phases will be two more, one on the 2nd of August, | 接下来是两个阶段 8月2日 |
| 46 | one on the 10th. | 一个在10号。 |
| 47 | So a tense situation prevails there now. | 现在那里局势很紧张 |
| 48 | And of course, this area is very | 当然,这个地区非常 |
| 49 | politically sensitive, not least because of the long-running dispute with India. | 政治上很敏感,尤其是因为与印度的长期争端. |
| 50 | Yes, the Kashmir region has been claimed by both India and Pakistan in its entirety, | 是的,印度和巴基斯坦都声称克什米尔地区是完整的, |
| 51 | but they control only in part. | 但他们只能控制一部分。 |
| 52 | And this region has led to wars between the two countries and | 这一地区导致了两国之间的战争 |
| 53 | India has also deployed hundreds of thousands of troops and it is battling an anti-India insurgency | 印度还部署了数十万军队,正在打击反印度叛乱。 |
| 54 | in the Jammu and Kashmir area, which is under the control of India. | 印度控制下的查谟和克什米尔地区。 |
| 55 | And the Pakistan-administered | 和巴基斯坦管理 |
| 56 | Kashmir, you know, there have been protests even before that was about, you know, they wanted | 克什米尔,你知道,有抗议 甚至在此之前,你知道,他们想要 |
| 57 | subsidized food and they also wanted to reduce some of the perks for the regional representatives. | 他们也希望减少地区代表的一些优惠。 |
| 58 | But this is the first time where they see these clashes are going on for weeks. | 但这是他们第一次看到这些冲突持续数周. |
| 59 | So it is attracting | 所以这是吸引 |
| 60 | attention across the border as well. | 注意边境 |
| 61 | But at the same time, several political parties have been | 但与此同时,几个政党已经 |
| 62 | criticizing the government's handling and civil society groups saying that, you know, dozens of | 批评政府的处理方式 和民间社会团体说,你知道,数十个 |
| 63 | people and the protesters have been killed. | 民众和抗议者被杀害。 |
| 64 | And the government banned, the Pakistani government | 政府禁止巴基斯坦政府 |
| 65 | banned this joint Awami action committee last month as a terror group. | 上个月作为恐怖集团禁止了人民人民联合行动委员会。 |
| 66 | And they say that they | 他们说他们 |
| 67 | want to hold elections and they have rejected the demands so far. | 他们拒绝了这些要求。 |
| 68 | Now that is on the east of Pakistan. | 这是在巴基斯坦东部。 |
| 69 | Looking to the west, the border with Afghanistan, a recent UN report said that some 500 people | 最近一份联合国报告指出, |
| 70 | had been killed there, 500 civilians between October and June. | 10月至6月期间,有500名平民在那里被杀害。 |
| 71 | What is the latest in that area? | 该领域的最新进展是什么? |
| 72 | 即使是昨晚,Khyber Pakhtunkhwa的Hangu地区的警察检查站也遭到重大袭击。 | |
| 73 | province in which 10 police officers were killed, 15 others were injured when the government tried | 在政府审判时,10名警察被打死,15人受伤 |
| 74 | Russian reinforcements. | 俄罗斯援军. |
| 75 | And the security forces say they had killed 15 militants suspected to be | 安全部队说他们杀了15名怀疑是 |
| 76 | from the Tehrik-e-Taliban group. | 特赫里克塔利班集团的 |
| 77 | Now, there have been a number of attacks on security forces in | 现在,发生了几起袭击安全部队的事件。 |
| 78 | Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. | 开伯尔-帕赫图克瓦省. |
| 79 | This is bordering Afghanistan. | 这与阿富汗接壤。 |
| 80 | Hundreds of soldiers and insurgents | 数百名士兵和叛乱分子 |
| 81 | and civilians have been killed for several years now. | 几年来平民被杀害。 |
| 82 | 现在,谁是TTP, Tehrik-e-塔利班 | |
| 83 | Pakistan? | 巴基斯坦? |
| 84 | They want an Islamic governance in areas under their control. | 他们希望在他们控制的地区实行伊斯兰治理。 |
| 85 | And they have been | 他们已经 |
| 86 | waging this insurgency against Pakistani security forces for years now. | 对巴基斯坦安全部队发动了多年叛乱。 |
| 87 | Thousands of people have | 成千上万的人 |
| 88 | been killed. | 被杀死。 |
| 89 | Pakistan is accusing the Kabul administration now that the Taliban authorities | 巴基斯坦现在指控喀布尔政府塔利班当局 |
| 90 | there of providing a safe haven to these insurgents. | 向这些叛乱分子提供安全避难所。 |
| 91 | And that has led to tensions between Islamabad | 这导致了伊斯兰堡之间的紧张关系 |
| 92 | and Kabul. | 还有喀布尔 |
| 93 | And Pakistan carried out several air strikes, drone attacks on what it claims to be | 巴基斯坦进行了几次空袭 无人机袭击了它声称的 |
| 94 | suspected militant positions across the border in Afghanistan. | 疑似激进分子的阵地 越过边境在阿富汗。 |
| 95 | And in fact, that has also led to | 事实上,这也导致了 |
| 96 | border skirmishes between the forces. | 部队之间发生边界冲突。 |
| 97 | And that's where the UN says that hundreds of people, | 这就是联合国说,数百人, |
| 98 | civilians, women and children have been killed in these attacks in Afghanistan because of these | 在阿富汗发生的这些袭击中,平民、妇女和儿童被杀害,原因是: |
| 99 | Pakistani attacks. | 巴基斯坦的攻击。 |
| 100 | However, Pakistan maintains that, you know, the Kabul administration, they are | 然而,巴基斯坦坚持认为,你知道,喀布尔行政当局是 |
| 101 | providing a safe haven for these militants, which is very categorically rejected by the Taliban | 为这些好战分子提供安全避难所,这遭到塔利班的断然拒绝。 |
| 102 | authorities in Afghanistan. | 阿富汗当局。 |
| 103 | Now, you also mentioned Balochistan. | 现在你也提到了俾路支斯坦 |
| 104 | What's going on there? | 这是怎么回事? |
| 105 | Now, in the southwestern province of Balochistan, there is an active insurgency. | 现在,在西南部的俾路支省,出现了活跃的叛乱. |
| 106 | In fact, | 事实上, |
| 107 | the claim for more autonomy or a separate region, Balochistan, has been going on for decades there. | 要求更多的自治或一个单独的地区,俾路支斯坦,在那里持续了几十年。 |
| 108 | The main group which is battling in that area is Balochistan Liberation Army, BLA, which has been | 在该地区作战的主要团体是俾路支解放军(BLA)。 |
| 109 | banned by the Pakistani government. | 被巴基斯坦政府取缔. |
| 110 | And what they say is that the region is now rich with minerals, | 他们说这个区域现在有丰富的矿物 |
| 111 | particularly the mines are with the gold and copper. | 特别是矿藏有金铜 |
| 112 | And the federal administration, | 而联邦政府, |
| 113 | they have been exploiting these mineral resources from this region, but they are not getting | 他们一直在开采这一地区的矿产资源 但是他们没有得到 |
| 114 | anything in return for the province. | 任何回报 省。 |
| 115 | So the economic condition of the province remains poor | 因此,该省的经济条件仍然很差 |
| 116 | and the people are not gaining any advantage. | 人民并没有获得任何利益。 |
| 117 | But the Pakistani government rejects these | 但巴基斯坦政府拒绝 |
| 118 | accusations by various Baloch groups. | 各种俾路支集团的指控。 |
| 119 | And now these Baloch rebels, they have been attacking | 而现在这些俾路支叛军 他们一直在进攻 |
| 120 | economic positions. | 经济地位。 |
| 121 | In fact, earlier this year, they staged a very well coordinated attack on 12 | 事实上,今年早些时候,他们发动了一次非常协调的进攻 |
| 122 | different places in Balochistan. | 俾路支不同的地方 |
| 123 | That was one of the biggest attacks. | 这是最大的攻击之一。 |
| 124 | So you have hundreds of | 所以你有上百个 |
| 125 | soldiers and insurgents and civilians have been killed in Balochistan in the past few years with | 过去几年中,在俾路支省,士兵、叛乱分子和平民与平民一起被杀害。 |
| 126 | this insurgency rising. | 叛乱不断升级 |
| 127 | It is also a key economic area for Pakistan, not only for Pakistan and also | 它不仅是巴基斯坦,也是巴基斯坦的一个关键经济领域。 |
| 128 | for China, because China is investing about $50 billion in this China-Pakistan economic corridor. | 对于中国来说,因为中国正在这个中巴经济走廊投资约500亿美元. |
| 129 | One of the key projects is about the Gwadar port in Balochistan that connects all the way to China. | 其中一项关键项目涉及俾路支省瓜达尔港,全程连接中国. |
| 130 | China is also building up infrastructure. | 中国也在建设基础设施。 |
| 131 | So these Baloch rebels have also carried out attacks on | 因此,这些俾路支叛军也袭击了 |
| 132 | some of these Chinese projects. | 其中一些中国项目。 |
| 133 | In fact, many of the Chinese workers, they were targeted. | 事实上,许多中国工人成为目标。 |
| 134 | So it is also having a bigger ramification. | 因此,它也有一个更大的挤压。 |
| 135 | And this is the area where earlier this year, | 而这里是今年早些时候, |
| 136 | when the Trump administration said they wanted to invest more than a billion dollars | 当特朗普政府说 他们想要投资超过10亿美元 |
| 137 | to invest in this rich mineral area in some of these mines. | 投资于其中一些矿场的这个丰富的矿区。 |
| 138 | Now, even while it's suffering all this turmoil at home, Pakistan is active on the world stage. | 现在,尽管巴基斯坦在国内遭受了这些动荡, 巴基斯坦仍然活跃在世界舞台上。 |
| 139 | It signed defense agreements with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. | 它与沙特阿拉伯和科威特签署了国防协定。 |
| 140 | What will those Gulf states be getting | 那些海湾国家会得到什么 |
| 141 | out of it? | 离开它? |
| 142 | Now, what is happening in the Gulf region is also having an impact on Pakistan | 现在,海湾地区正在发生的事情也对巴基斯坦产生影响。 |
| 143 | and vice versa. | 而反之亦然。 |
| 144 | Now, you see that U.S. has been the net security provider for many Gulf states | 现在,你看,美国一直是许多海湾国家的净安全提供者 |
| 145 | like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE, and for several other countries. | 例如沙特阿拉伯、卡塔尔和阿联酋,以及其他几个国家。 |
| 146 | Now, with the war with | 现在,随着战争 |
| 147 | Iran, the situation is changing. | 伊朗,局势正在发生变化。 |
| 148 | And about three years ago, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia signed a | 大约三年前,巴基斯坦和沙特阿拉伯签署了一项 |
| 149 | military pact, a defense agreement, which is like what they call as attack on one country will be | 军事条约 防御协议 他们称之为对一个国家的攻击 |
| 150 | as an attack on both the countries. | 作为对两国的攻击。 |
| 151 | They also talk about defense cooperation and intelligence | 他们也谈国防合作和情报 |
| 152 | sharing. | 共享。 |
| 153 | But how far it is going to be practical, that has been the question. | 但是,这将有多实际,这是个问题。 |
| 154 | Even though there have | 虽然有 |
| 155 | been demands about why Pakistan is not involved with the Houthi rebels attacking Saudi Arabia, | 要求巴基斯坦为何不参与胡塞叛军袭击沙特阿拉伯, |
| 156 | Pakistan's neighbor is Iran and he doesn't want to antagonize Iran at this stage. | 巴基斯坦邻国是伊朗, |
| 157 | So they have | 所以他们有 |
| 158 | the geographical compulsion and they're not actively involved in the ongoing conflict, but | 他们并没有积极参与这场冲突, |
| 159 | they are mediating between Iran and the U.S. And with Kuwait, which is a slightly | 他们正在伊朗和美国之间进行调解。 和科威特,这是一个小 |
| 160 | softened version of the agreement with Saudi, it was not about the mutual defense pact. | 与沙特协议的软化版本,与共同防御条约无关. |
| 161 | It is | 没错 |
| 162 | more about cooperation. | 更多关于合作。 |
| 163 | So what this shows is Gulf is very important for Pakistan. | 因此,这显示海湾对巴基斯坦非常重要。 |
| 164 | Pakistan wants | 巴基斯坦想要 |
| 165 | to make sure that there is stability. | 确保有稳定。 |
| 166 | Stability there is important for Pakistan's economy because | 稳定对巴基斯坦经济很重要,因为 |
| 167 | Pakistan gets about $40 billion in remittances from workers abroad. | 巴基斯坦从国外工人那里得到约400亿美元的汇款. |
| 168 | Nearly half of them comes | 将近一半的人来了 |
| 169 | from the Gulf region because millions of Pakistani workers are there. | 来自海湾地区,因为数百万巴基斯坦工人在那里。 |
| 170 | So with the changing dynamics | 所以随着动态的变化 |
| 171 | in the Gulf region, you see that many players coming in. | 在海湾地区,你可以看到很多玩家进来。 |
| 172 | And some of the Gulf states like | 一些海湾国家喜欢 |
| 173 | Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and even Qatar and Turkey are also talking about defense cooperation with | 沙特阿拉伯和科威特,甚至卡塔尔和土耳其也在谈论与沙特阿拉伯和科威特的防务合作。 |
| 174 | Pakistan because Pakistan has a very strong army. | 巴基斯坦因为巴基斯坦军队非常强大. |
| 175 | It has nuclear weapons and it is also well | 它有核武器,它也很好 |
| 176 | connected in the Islamic world. | 联系在伊斯兰世界。 |
| 177 | And that is why some of these Gulf states now looking at what is | 这就是为什么一些海湾国家 现在看什么 |
| 178 | happening, how they are being targeted by Iran, they wanted an alternative security mechanism to | 他们希望建立一个替代安全机制, |
| 179 | protect themselves. | 保护自己 |
| 180 | And that's why they have reached out to Pakistan. | 这就是为什么他们接触了巴基斯坦。 |
| 181 | Now, arguably Pakistan's | 现在,可以说巴基斯坦 |
| 182 | biggest diplomatic success was bringing the U.S. and Iran together to sign that interim | 最大的外交成就是让美国和伊朗共同签署临时协议 |
| 183 | peace deal in the middle of June, but the Memorandum of Understanding, as it was called, | 6月中旬的和约, 但谅解备忘录,因为它被称为, |
| 184 | seems to be falling apart. | 似乎要崩溃了 |
| 185 | So what is Pakistan doing now? | 巴基斯坦现在在做什么? |
| 186 | In fact, today a Pakistani foreign | 事实上,今天一个巴基斯坦外国人 |
| 187 | ministry spokesperson was talking about how they are trying their best with asking both parties, | 部委发言人在谈论 他们是如何尽力去问双方, |
| 188 | both the United States and Iran to return to the negotiating table. | 美国和伊朗双方将回到谈判桌上来。 |
| 189 | Pakistan still says that there | 巴基斯坦仍然说,那里 |
| 190 | is room for diplomacy and that they don't want any escalation in the Strait of Hormuz because it is | 他们不想在霍尔木兹海峡升级 因为那里是 |
| 191 | going to have an impact on the economy and energy supplies. | 将对经济和能源供应产生影响。 |
| 192 | And that's why even today they are urging | 这就是为什么今天他们都在催促 |
| 193 | both parties now return to the negotiating table. | 双方现在回到谈判桌旁。 |
| 194 | Anbar Hassan, thank you. | 安巴尔·哈桑 谢谢 |
| 195 | Anbar Hassan, | 安巴尔·哈桑 |
| 196 | Etiraj and our South Asia specialist. | 艾提拉吉和我们的南亚专家 |
| 197 | If you'd like to hear more from the Global News podcast, | 如果你想听更多 从全球新闻播客, |
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| 199 | But for now, thanks for watching. | 但现在,谢谢你的观看。 |
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