7-24 伊朗民众要求查明致命校园袭击事件的真相 | BBC
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| 0:00 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 0:03 | I'm Charlotte Gallagher. | 我是夏洛特・加拉格 |
| 0:04 | And today we're | 今天我们 |
| 0:05 | joined by our senior investigations correspondent, Nawal Al Maghafi. | 我们的高级调查通讯员纳瓦尔·马加菲也参加了这次访问。 |
| 0:10 | Nawal has just been to the | 纳瓦尔刚刚去过 |
| 0:11 | school in Iran, where 150 people, many of them children, were killed at the start of the US | 在伊朗的学校里,有150人丧生,其中许多是儿童。 |
| 0:18 | Israel war with Iran. | 以色列与伊朗的战争. |
| 0:19 | So Nawal, tell me about the school, visiting the school and what you saw there. | 纳瓦尔,告诉我关于学校, 参观学校,以及你在那里看到的东西。 |
| 0:24 | It was really tough. | 这真的很艰难。 |
| 0:25 | I mean, I dread a lot about what had happened in the school. | 我是说,我非常担心学校里发生的事 |
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| 1 | Welcome to the Global News podcast from the BBC. | 欢迎来到英国广播公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 2 | I'm Charlotte Gallagher. | 我是夏洛特・加拉格 |
| 3 | And today we're | 今天我们 |
| 4 | joined by our senior investigations correspondent, Nawal Al Maghafi. | 我们的高级调查通讯员纳瓦尔·马加菲也参加了这次访问。 |
| 5 | Nawal has just been to the | 纳瓦尔刚刚去过 |
| 6 | school in Iran, where 150 people, many of them children, were killed at the start of the US | 在伊朗的学校里,有150人丧生,其中许多是儿童。 |
| 7 | Israel war with Iran. | 以色列与伊朗的战争. |
| 8 | So Nawal, tell me about the school, visiting the school and what you saw there. | 纳瓦尔,告诉我关于学校, 参观学校,以及你在那里看到的东西。 |
| 9 | It was really tough. | 这真的很艰难。 |
| 10 | I mean, I dread a lot about what had happened in the school. | 我是说,我非常担心学校里发生的事 |
| 11 | I kind of | 我有点 |
| 12 | looked at a lot of footage that had come out of that day, but it's only when you go that you kind | 看了很多镜头 从那天出来, 但它只是当你去 |
| 13 | of like get a sense of the gravity and magnitude of that attack. | 感觉出袭击的严重性和规模 |
| 14 | I mean, just walking through and | 我的意思是,只是走过和 |
| 15 | seeing things like painting on the wall by children, their writing that teachers had put up in | 看着孩子们在墙上画画之类的东西, 他们的写作,老师们已经把 |
| 16 | the classrooms now, like covered in dust because of what happened. | 现在的教室,就像被尘埃覆盖 因为发生了什么。 |
| 17 | I saw the desks underneath the | 我看见桌子下面 |
| 18 | rubble. | 瓦砾 |
| 19 | When I went there, they were actually still sifting through the rubble four and a half | 当我去那里时,他们实际上还在筛 穿过瓦砾四半 |
| 20 | months on, and they were looking for the remains of one young boy who's still missing. | 几个月后,他们一直在寻找 一个男孩的遗骸,他仍然失踪。 |
| 21 | And it was | 这是 |
| 22 | really overwhelming to walk through that. | 实在是太过份了 |
| 23 | It's one of those stories that just stays with you forever | 是那些故事之一 只是永远和你在一起 |
| 24 | because of how harrowing it was. | 因为它是多么的痛苦。 |
| 25 | And then, you know, a few hours into our filming, the teachers | 然后,你知道,几小时 我们拍摄,老师 |
| 26 | and parents started coming into the school, and I found out that that was their daily ritual. | 我发现那是他们每天的仪式 |
| 27 | They | 他们 |
| 28 | go and they all pray together. | 他们一起祈祷 |
| 29 | And, you know, the pain of what they went through is still very raw. | 而且,你知道,他们经历的痛苦 仍然非常生动。 |
| 30 | Like, you know, you could see them in tears. | 像,你知道,你可以看到他们在眼泪。 |
| 31 | You could see how much emotion there still was. | 你可以看到还有多少情感。 |
| 32 | It was really tough. | 这真的很艰难。 |
| 33 | And, you know, we went there because the government were very keen for us to | 而且,你知道,我们去那里 因为政府非常渴望我们 |
| 34 | see what had happened in the school, and they've used what happened and made it their case to the | 看看学校里发生了什么 他们利用了发生的事 |
| 35 | world to say, look, this is what an American-Israeli intervention in Iran looks like. | 这就是美以两国对伊朗的干涉 |
| 36 | It isn't going to | 它不会 |
| 37 | just be targeting military sites. | 只是针对军事地点。 |
| 38 | When you walk around Tehran even, you see huge billboards with | 当你走在德黑兰 甚至看到巨大的广告牌 |
| 39 | the pictures of all these children that were killed. | 这些被害儿童的照片 |
| 40 | You see, you know, they talk about it | 你看,你知道,他们谈论它 |
| 41 | in speeches. | 在演讲中。 |
| 42 | You see it played time and time again on Iranian television. | 你看,它在伊朗电视上反复播放。 |
| 43 | And so, to go there | 所以,去那边 |
| 44 | ourselves, it was like, yes, they are using it for propaganda, but this did happen. | 我们自己,就像,是的, 他们正在利用它进行宣传, 但这是发生了。 |
| 45 | You know, | 你知道吗, |
| 46 | these children were killed. | 这些儿童被杀害。 |
| 47 | And speaking to the parents, I mean, the loss is just so profound. | 和父母说话,我的意思是, 损失是如此深刻。 |
| 48 | It's so heartbreaking. | 如此心动. |
| 49 | And who did you speak to when you were at the school? | 你在学校时跟谁说话了? |
| 50 | So, when I first arrived, I met this teacher, Amina Nadeemi. | 所以,当我第一次到达的时候,我遇到了一位老师,阿米娜·纳德米. |
| 51 | She had taught first grade for | 她曾经教过一年级 |
| 52 | over six years. | 超过6年。 |
| 53 | And she walked me through the school. | 她走我穿过学校。 |
| 54 | She showed me where classrooms once were, | 她带我去过教室 |
| 55 | her classroom was. | 她的课堂是。 |
| 56 | And she told me that, you know, about two hours before the attack, | 她告诉我,你知道, 在袭击前两个小时, |
| 57 | the head teacher had heard that the wall had broken out. | 校长听说墙壁破裂了 |
| 58 | And she said that everyone needs | 她说每个人都需要 |
| 59 | to call the parents of the children and tell them to pick up their kids. | 给孩子们的父母打电话 叫他们去接孩子 |
| 60 | Some kids were picked up, | 有些孩子被带走了 |
| 61 | and others were still waiting for their parents when the strike happened. | 还有其他人在罢工时还在等父母。 |
| 62 | And she told me that she had sent some of the children away. | 她告诉我她把一些孩子送走了 |
| 63 | When the attack happened and, | 当袭击发生时, |
| 64 | you know, the building came down, she thought they'd gone home. | 你知道,大楼下来, 她以为他们回家了。 |
| 65 | But she walked out and realized | 但她走出去,意识到 |
| 66 | that they were underneath the rubble and so were their parents. | 他们是在废墟下,他们的父母也是如此。 |
| 67 | And then we also spoke to | 然后我们又和 |
| 68 | the first Red Crescent worker that was at the scene when the attack happened. | 袭击发生时第一个在现场的红新月工作人员 |
| 69 | His name was Reza. | 他叫雷萨 |
| 70 | He walked us around and said, you know, there was no military activity here. | 他走来走去说 这里没有军事活动 |
| 71 | I've never seen anyone armed here. | 我从来没有见过任何人在这里武装。 |
| 72 | This was a school. | 这是学校 |
| 73 | It's been a school for over 10 years. | 历经十余年的学校. |
| 74 | And so, you know, it was really critical what he told us. | 所以,你知道,这真的很关键 他告诉我们。 |
| 75 | And then he told us a story | 然后他告诉我们一个故事 |
| 76 | that was incredibly sad. | 这是令人难以置信的悲伤。 |
| 77 | It's such a tight-knit community, Minab. | 米纳布,这是个很紧密的社区 |
| 78 | And so when he arrived at the | 所以当他来到 |
| 79 | school, he knew so many of the people that had come looking for their children. | 他认识很多来找孩子的人 |
| 80 | And he said one | 他说一个 |
| 81 | of the first children he found was a child he actually knows. | 他发现的第一个孩子 是一个他实际认识的孩子。 |
| 82 | And he walked out. | 他走了出来。 |
| 83 | It was his | 这是他的 |
| 84 | cousin. | 堂弟,你来干什么? |
| 85 | And the mother was crying saying, please go find my daughter, go find my daughter. | 妈妈哭着说,请去找我女儿,去找我女儿 |
| 86 | And he | 还有他 |
| 87 | didn't have the heart to tell her that he already had and that she was killed in the attack. | 没有心脏告诉她,他已经知道,她在袭击中丧生。 |
| 88 | US forces haven't admitted responsibility. | 美军尚未承认责任. |
| 89 | But military investigators reportedly believe | 但据说军方调查员认为 |
| 90 | that the strike could have been carried out accidentally. | 袭击可能是意外进行的 |
| 91 | So we pressed them on that. | 于是我们按住他们。 |
| 92 | We had experts look at satellite imagery, look at the footage that | 我们让专家看卫星图像,看镜头 |
| 93 | we have and give their take on what they think might have happened. | 我们有他们认为可能发生的事 并给他们做选择 |
| 94 | And they say it's likely | 他们说有可能 |
| 95 | was a US Tomahawk missile because there were two wave of attacks that day, one in the morning and | 因为那天发生了两波攻击 一次早上 |
| 96 | one in the afternoon. | 一个下午。 |
| 97 | And the one in the afternoon you can see in footage Tomahawk missiles dropping | 在下午,你可以看到的镜头 Tomahawk导弹投射 |
| 98 | on the IRGC compound beside the school. | 学校旁边的IRGC院落 |
| 99 | The first wave of strikes, which, you know, is the one that | 第一波打击,你知道,这是 |
| 100 | hit the school itself, you can't see what missile was used. | 击中学校本身,你看不出 导弹被使用。 |
| 101 | But when you look at the crater that | 但当你看着陨石坑 |
| 102 | was left behind, you know, all the evidence indicates that it was part of the same attack. | 所有证据表明是同一攻击的一部分 |
| 103 | And usually they use the same missiles for waves of attacks. | 通常他们使用同样的导弹进行攻击。 |
| 104 | And so, yeah, it all indicates that | 所以,是的,这一切表明, |
| 105 | it was the US that was responsible for this attack, but only they can be the ones to have | 是美国对这次袭击负责 但只有他们才能拥有 |
| 106 | the final say because they're conducting an investigation. | 因为他们正在进行调查 |
| 107 | It's been going on for months now | 几个月了 |
| 108 | and it hasn't been released. | 它还没有被发布。 |
| 109 | You know, the most recent thing we've heard from President Trump | 川普总统最近传来的消息 |
| 110 | on this attack was a Fox News interview that he did a couple of days ago in which he was asked | 他几天前接受福克斯新闻采访 他被问到 |
| 111 | about some of this footage that has come out that shows the Tomahawk missiles dropping in the IRGC | 这些录像显示 托马霍克导弹在伊朗革命卫队中 |
| 112 | compound beside the school. | 学校旁边的院子 |
| 113 | And he said, well, they could be a fabrication, it could be AI. | 他说,他们可能是捏造的,也可能是AI。 |
| 114 | And he said he's not sure when this investigation will be released and if it will be released at | 他说他不确定何时会公布这项调查 是否将在 |
| 115 | all. | 都一样 |
| 116 | So, you know, it's been months and it hasn't been released. | 所以,你知道,已经几个月了,它还没有被发布。 |
| 117 | We chased them just before our | 我们紧紧追赶他们 |
| 118 | investigation went out and they said it's still ongoing and that it will be released at some point. | 调查结束 他们说,它仍在进行中 并且将在某个时候发布 |
| 119 | And some experts are suggesting that the US had outdated intelligence, which said that this school | 一些专家认为美国的情报已经过时了 说这所学校 |
| 120 | was actually part of the military complex when it was actually just a school. | 其实是军事建筑群的一部分 当时它只是一个学校 |
| 121 | So there was a preliminary investigation that wasn't released formally, but some American | 因此,有一个初步调查 没有正式发布, 但一些美国人 |
| 122 | networks got access to the findings of this investigation. | 网络可以查阅这次调查的结果。 |
| 123 | And that investigation says that, | 调查说, |
| 124 | these networks are reporting that it was very likely a Tomahawk missile that attacked the school | 这些网络报导说 袭击学校的很可能是Tomahawk导弹 |
| 125 | and that it was a mistake because of using outdated intelligence. | 并说这是一个错误 因为使用过时的情报。 |
| 126 | Many years ago, | 许多年前, |
| 127 | this school was a part of this IRGC compound and then it was fenced off. | 这所学校是伊朗革命卫队大院的一部分 然后被围起来 |
| 128 | And that IRGC compound | 而IRGC的化合物 |
| 129 | compared according to a lot of civilians and residents of the area hasn't been active or | 根据当地许多平民和居民的描述, |
| 130 | operational in over 10 years. | 10年以上开始运营。 |
| 131 | And so what they're saying is that maybe it was based on intelligence | 所以他们说,也许这是基于情报 |
| 132 | of when it was active and that's why it was hit. | 当它活动, 这就是为什么它被击中。 |
| 133 | When you were speaking to people in the community, | 当你跟社区里的人说话时 |
| 134 | how important was it for them that the truth comes out and people know, as a matter of fact, | 对他们来说有多重要? 真相出来了,人们知道,事实上, |
| 135 | what happened there? | 发生什么事了? |
| 136 | I mean, of course, for the people of the community and of that school, | 当然,对于社区和学校的人来说, |
| 137 | the parents, they've suffered a profound loss and nothing is going to soften that blow, | 父母们,他们遭受了巨大的损失 没有什么能软化的打击, |
| 138 | but they want justice. | 他们想要正义 |
| 139 | So they want to know who was responsible. | 所以他们想知道是谁干的 |
| 140 | They want whoever's responsible | 他们要谁负责 |
| 141 | to be held accountable. | 被追究责任。 |
| 142 | And at large across Iran, we traveled across the entire country | 整个伊朗,我们到处旅行 |
| 143 | and we spoke to people about those protests that we saw break out in January where hundreds of | 我们和人们谈论了我们一月份 目睹的数百起抗议事件 |
| 144 | thousands of Iranians went to the streets calling for the regime to fall. | 数千名伊朗人走上街头,呼吁政权倒台. |
| 145 | And then we saw President | 然后我们看到总统 |
| 146 | Trump come out and say that the war was beginning and that he was there to support the Iranian | 特朗普出来说,战争已经开始,他在那里支持伊朗人 |
| 147 | people in their want for change. | 人们渴望改变 |
| 148 | And then within the first few hours, the attack on Minhab happened. | 然后在最初的几个小时内,对米纳哈卜的攻击发生了. |
| 149 | When we spoke to those people, people who are very welcoming of this war, they told us that | 当我们和那些非常欢迎这场战争的人谈话时 他们告诉我们 |
| 150 | what happened in Minhab shocked them and terrified them about the prospect of war and that they | 在Minhab发生的事让他们震惊 并吓坏了战争的前景 |
| 151 | realized that this would be the human cost. | 意识到这将是人的代价。 |
| 152 | I mean, we spoke to multiple people who said | 我是说,我们和很多人谈过 |
| 153 | that they were very pro this war. | 他们非常支持这场战争 |
| 154 | They really wanted it to happen. | 他们真的希望它发生。 |
| 155 | They thought that within | 他们认为在 |
| 156 | a few weeks, the regime would crumble. | 几周后,政权就垮台了 |
| 157 | And so the attack on Minhab really came as a shock to them | 所以对Minhab的攻击 对他们来说真是震惊 |
| 158 | and terrified them of the prospect that this war may go on for months and months on end and | 他们害怕战争可能持续数月 |
| 159 | how many more civilians would be killed. | 还会有多少平民被杀? |
| 160 | And so everyone wants answers. | 所以每个人都想要答案 |
| 161 | They want to know what | 他们想知道什么 |
| 162 | went wrong and who's responsible. | 错了,谁要负责。 |
| 163 | Thanks, Nawal. | 谢谢 纳华. |
| 164 | That was Nawal al-Mughaffi, our senior | 那是纳瓦尔・穆加菲,我们的高级 |
| 165 | investigations correspondent. | 调查记者。 |
| 166 | And this has been the Global News Podcast. | 这是全球新闻节目。 |
| 167 | Thanks for watching. | 谢谢你的观看。 |
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