耶鲁教授携获艾美奖的《宇宙之旅》对话中国儒家学者 Journ
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| 0:04 | And thank you to the Yale Beijing Center, to all those organizing this, and to what | 感谢耶鲁北京中心 感谢所有组织者 |
| 0:11 | it represents, which is especially good relations between our two countries. | 它代表着我们两国之间特别良好的关系。 |
| 0:17 | And we are here for that reason, especially at this time of challenge with economic and | 我们来到这里就是为了这个原因,特别是在目前对经济和 |
| 0:24 | social and political and ecological challenges. | 社会、政治和生态挑战。 |
| 0:28 | And we feel our relationship is one of the most important in the world, US and China. | 我们觉得我们的关系 是世界上最重要的,美国和中国。 |
| 0:33 | So it's a joy to be in a cultural diplomatic dialogue, if you will, of intellectual exchange, | 因此,在文化外交对话中,如果你想的话,在知识交流中,是一件喜事, |
| 0:41 | especially with the roots of Chinese thought and philosophy, particularly Confucianism, | 特别是中国思想和哲学的根基,尤其是儒学, |
| 0:48 | which is having its own revival and resurgence on many levels, a government level, academic | 在许多层次上,在政府一级,在学术上,它正在恢复和复兴。 |
| 0:56 | level, civil society level, process, thought level conversation. | 层面,民间社会层面,过程,思想层面的对话. |
| 1:01 | And so this is a very exciting time and to not be discouraged by some of the challenges, | 因此,这是一个非常激动人心的时刻 并且不会因为一些挑战而沮丧, |
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| 1 | And thank you to the Yale Beijing Center, to all those organizing this, and to what | 感谢耶鲁北京中心 感谢所有组织者 |
| 2 | it represents, which is especially good relations between our two countries. | 它代表着我们两国之间特别良好的关系。 |
| 3 | And we are here for that reason, especially at this time of challenge with economic and | 我们来到这里就是为了这个原因,特别是在目前对经济和 |
| 4 | social and political and ecological challenges. | 社会、政治和生态挑战。 |
| 5 | And we feel our relationship is one of the most important in the world, US and China. | 我们觉得我们的关系 是世界上最重要的,美国和中国。 |
| 6 | So it's a joy to be in a cultural diplomatic dialogue, if you will, of intellectual exchange, | 因此,在文化外交对话中,如果你想的话,在知识交流中,是一件喜事, |
| 7 | especially with the roots of Chinese thought and philosophy, particularly Confucianism, | 特别是中国思想和哲学的根基,尤其是儒学, |
| 8 | which is having its own revival and resurgence on many levels, a government level, academic | 在许多层次上,在政府一级,在学术上,它正在恢复和复兴。 |
| 9 | level, civil society level, process, thought level conversation. | 层面,民间社会层面,过程,思想层面的对话. |
| 10 | And so this is a very exciting time and to not be discouraged by some of the challenges, | 因此,这是一个非常激动人心的时刻 并且不会因为一些挑战而沮丧, |
| 11 | but to figure ways forward, not just intellectual in our heads, but something that will inspire | 不仅在脑海中有知识,而且能激励我们 |
| 12 | transformative action, transformation for the flourishing of the Earth community. | 转型行动,转型促进地球社会的繁荣. |
| 13 | And that is what this film is an offering into that space of change, of possibility, | 这就是这部电影 献给变革的空间, 可能性, |
| 14 | of energy. | 能源的开发。 |
| 15 | And I'm so happy to see so many young people here from the universities, even high schools. | 我很高兴看到这么多的年轻人 从大学,甚至高中。 |
| 16 | And we like to say we're giving an intergenerational handshake between Yale students here, | 我们想说,我们给 代际握手 在这里耶鲁学生, |
| 17 | Tsinghua students, Renmin professors, and so on. | 清华学生,任民教授等. |
| 18 | And in high schools, it's very, very important that we have this intergenerational exchange. | 在高中,我们进行这种代际交流是非常重要的。 |
| 19 | So in short, this is a film that tells the story of the universe, but in a way that brings | 因此,简言之,这是一部讲述宇宙故事的电影,但以一种带来 |
| 20 | science and humanities, as Devin said, into conversation to say this isn't just meaningless, | 正如德文所说 科学和人文学科进入谈话中 说这不仅仅是毫无意义的 |
| 21 | purposeless, random universe, but it's an unfolding story in which we belong. | 无目的的,随机的宇宙, 但它是一个正在发展的故事 我们属于。 |
| 22 | We have our sense of meaning and purpose. | 我们有我们的意义和目的感。 |
| 23 | And that is really important, is if we have meaning and purpose, we can act. | 这是非常重要的,如果我们有意义和目的,我们可以采取行动。 |
| 24 | We can participate. | 我们可以参加。 |
| 25 | We can contribute. | 我们可以作出贡献。 |
| 26 | We won't lose our hope, our possibilities, our sense of direction. | 我们不会失去我们的希望,我们的可能性,我们的方向感. |
| 27 | So that is what this film is offering, a sense of an epic story of evolution for an ecological and | 因此,这就是这部电影所提供的, 一种史诗般的故事感 进化为生态 |
| 28 | moral, if you will, revolution for our planetary future. | 道德,如果你愿意的话,为我们星球的未来进行革命。 |
| 29 | So big story inspiration for perspiration, for the action and for the change. | 如此大的故事鼓舞了人们的激情,为行动和变化。 |
| 30 | So thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 31 | It's wonderful to be here. | 来此极妙. |
| 32 | Over to you. | 交给你了 |
| 33 | I join with Mary Evelyn in these brief remarks, especially to the Yale Beijing Center for hosting a | 我与玛丽·伊夫林一起发表这些简短讲话,特别是向耶鲁北京中心提供赞助。 |
| 34 | repeat and to join together with Professor Yao. | 重复,与姚教授会合. |
| 35 | It's really a delight to be with those I consider myself a friend coming from afar here to cite the | 我很高兴能和那些 远道而来的朋友在一起 |
| 36 | analytics. | 分析学。 |
| 37 | It's three points that I wanted to make, just some remarks about the structure of the film that I | 我想说的三点,只是 关于电影的结构,我 |
| 38 | thought might be helpful at the outset. | 认为一开始就会有所帮助。 |
| 39 | First, the narrator is Brian Thomas Swim. | 首先 旁白者是布莱恩·托马斯·斯沃 |
| 40 | Second, a comment about the setting of the film. | 二,关于电影设置的评论. |
| 41 | And third, about the material of the film itself. | 第三,关于电影本身的材料。 |
| 42 | 首先,Brian Thomas Swiw是一位与我们密切合作的同事。 | |
| 43 | He's a mathematical cosmologist. | 他是数学宇宙学家. |
| 44 | He's out of the west coast of the United States. | 现出美国西海岸. |
| 45 | And it's interesting also, Brian is a registered member of a minority group, a | Brian是少数族群的注册成员, |
| 46 | Native American group, First Nations in Canada, Fraser River Salish. | 美国原住民,加拿大原住民,弗雷泽河萨利什. |
| 47 | So I think it's an important, his own background brings him to an understanding. | 所以我认为这是一个重要的, 他自己的背景给他带来了一个理解。 |
| 48 | He as a mathematical cosmologist specialized in the early universe and he put a great deal of effort | 他作为一个数学宇宙学家 专门研究早期宇宙 他投入了大量精力 |
| 49 | into getting an understanding of the science background of these issues. | 了解这些问题的科学背景。 |
| 50 | And we also have to bring the humanities perspective. | 我们还必须带来人文的视角。 |
| 51 | But the final point here is the science humanities dialogue in the film. | 但这里的最后一点是电影中的科学人文对话. |
| 52 | And it gets an undercurrent, very strong. | 并得到了一个下流,非常强。 |
| 53 | Secondly, Samos, this island, a Greek island just off the coast of Turkey. | 第二,萨摩斯岛,这个岛,一个刚刚在土耳其海岸边的希腊岛. |
| 54 | So you can see it very clearly from the Turkish coast. | 从土耳其海岸可以清楚地看到 |
| 55 | We chose Samos and we could have chosen a number of places, crossroads of history. | 我们选择了萨摩斯 我们可以选择一些地方 历史的十字路口 |
| 56 | Samos has a rather significant place in the historical record. | 萨摩斯在历史记录中占有相当重要的地位. |
| 57 | It's the birthplace of Pythagoras. | 是毕达哥拉斯的发源地. |
| 58 | Pythagoras will come to play in the film, but also Aristarchus. | 毕达哥拉斯会在电影中出演,但也出演阿里斯塔库斯. |
| 59 | Aristarchus is the earliest known individual that we're aware of who placed the earth as orbiting around the sun. | Aristarchus)是已知最早的个体,我们知道是谁将地球置于围绕太阳的轨道上. |
| 60 | And so this sense of Samos as a crossroads where ideas are gathering. | 所以萨摩斯的这种感觉 是一个集思广益的十字路口。 |
| 61 | And then finally, the film itself, the material of the film, the data or if you will, the scientific facts that will be presented. | 最后,电影本身,电影的素材,数据或者如果你愿意,将呈现的科学事实. |
| 62 | I find, well this is probably my 650th viewing. | 我发现,这大概是我第650次观看。 |
| 63 | And when I watch it, I let myself watch the film rather than get caught in the data. | 当我看的时候,我让自己看电影,而不是被数据抓住。 |
| 64 | I recommend that view. | 我建议这样的看法。 |
| 65 | Let it flow through you. | 让它流过你们 |
| 66 | And that point which you find really instrumental or speaking to you, then quiz that. | 这一点你发现真的很有用 或者跟你说话, 然后测试。 |
| 67 | For me, it's when water begins to flow together. | 对我来说,这是水开始一起流动的时候。 |
| 68 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 69 | The whirlpool for me is the moment it captures my attention. | 对我来说,螺旋池 就是它吸引我注意力的时刻。 |
| 70 | So I'm interested in the question and answer when we have a chance to talk about what captures you. | 因此,我对问答感兴趣, 当我们有机会谈论什么抓住你。 |
| 71 | Is this on? | 开着吗? |
| 72 | Yes. | 对 |
| 73 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 74 | I was just going to make a few remarks and then we're going to have a discussion. | 我只是想说几句 然后我们再讨论一下 |
| 75 | But I want to first introduce Professor Yao, who we're delighted to have join us today. | 但我首先要介绍姚教授,我们今天很高兴他加入我们。 |
| 76 | A longtime friend and colleague. | 长期的朋友和同事。 |
| 77 | He's Professor of Ethics at the School of Philosophy at Renmin University. | 他是任民大学哲学学院伦理学教授. |
| 78 | And he's formerly Dean of the School of Philosophy there. | 他曾经是那里的哲学学院院长. |
| 79 | And he was also formerly Professor and Director of King's China Institute at King's College London. | 并曾任伦敦国王学院教授兼国王中国研究所所长. |
| 80 | Prior to this appointment, Professor Yao was Professor of Religion and Ethics at the University of Wales. | 在这一任命之前,姚教授曾任威尔士大学宗教和伦理学教授. |
| 81 | And a Senior Research Fellow at the Ian Ramsey Center at the University of Oxford. | 并担任牛津大学伊恩·拉姆齐中心高级研究员. |
| 82 | In 1998, in recognition of his work promoting Confucianism in the UK, | 1998年,为表彰他在英国促进儒学的工作, |
| 83 | he was made Honorary President of the Confucian Academy in Hong Kong. | 后被推为香港儒学院名誉院长. |
| 84 | Yao has published books and articles on the subject of Confucianism, | 姚曾出版以儒学为主题的著作和文章,,...... |
| 85 | including Comparative Studies with Christianity. | 包括与基督教的比较研究。 |
| 86 | He's the author and editor of the two-volume Encyclopedia of Confucianism | 他是两卷"儒学百科全书"的作者和编辑. |
| 87 | and co-edited with Du Wei Ming, the four-volume Confucian Studies, Critical Concepts, and Asian Philosophy. | 并与杜伟明合著"儒学研究,批判概念,亚洲哲学"四卷. |
| 88 | So we're delighted to have him, and I'd like you to join me in welcoming him to this event. | 因此,我们很高兴有他, 我希望你能和我一起欢迎他参加这次活动。 |
| 89 | So I was going to make a few comments before we have some discussion. | 因此,我打算在我们进行讨论之前发表一些看法。 |
| 90 | And I want to say there's many qualified people here, including our colleague Wang Zhuhui | 我想说这里有很多合格的人 包括我们的同事王祖辉 |
| 91 | and also Yang Mei, who will probably add to our discussion. | 还有杨美,她可能会加入我们的讨论 |
| 92 | We're delighted that they're here. | 我们很高兴他们来了 |
| 93 | What I want to do here is just make some connections between science and cosmology | 我想做的是把科学和宇宙学联系起来 |
| 94 | and Confucianism and its sense of cosmology. | 和儒学及其宇宙感. |
| 95 | And then we will discuss this. | 然后我们再讨论这个问题。 |
| 96 | Now, the point is science has its own understanding of cosmology, | 重点是科学对宇宙学有自己的理解 |
| 97 | and it doesn't always bring in the human connection, as this film is trying to do. | 它并不总是 带来人际联系, 正如本片试图做的。 |
| 98 | So that's the dialogue that we're exploring tonight. | 这就是我们今晚探索的对话。 |
| 99 | Now, first of all, why is this important? | 首先,为什么这很重要? |
| 100 | Let's just give some consideration to that. | 让我们考虑一下 |
| 101 | Because a film like this is bringing together cosmological metaphors of meaning and scientific facts. | 因为这样的电影把宇宙学的隐喻 和科学事实汇集在一起。 |
| 102 | That's what we were trying to do. | 这就是我们试图做的。 |
| 103 | It's a fusion of meaning and facts. | 谓因缘与实相融合. |
| 104 | Now, that's a new genre in a way, because we've separated science and facts and humans. | 这是一种新的流派, 因为我们把科学和事实以及人类分开了。 |
| 105 | So why is it important? | 那为什么重要呢? |
| 106 | Because it's difficult for humans who are meaning-making animals, as we say in the film, | 因为在电影中我们说过的 制造动物的人类很难 |
| 107 | meaning-making animals, to live without a sense of meaning, | 有意义的动物, 生活没有意义感, |
| 108 | aware of where we come from, how do we belong, why are we here, and how can we contribute. | 意识到我们来自何处,我们属于何方,我们为什么在这里,我们如何能够作出贡献。 |
| 109 | If science claims, as it frequently does, that there is no meaning or purpose in evolution, | 如果科学像经常那样声称 进化没有意义和目的 |
| 110 | but rather evolution is just a series of chaotic and random events, | 而进化只是一系列混乱和随机的事件, |
| 111 | we have to ask ourselves, how do humans fit in? | 我们必须问自己,人类如何适应? |
| 112 | How do we belong and how we can contribute to a flourishing future? | 我们如何归属,如何为繁荣的未来作出贡献? |
| 113 | Is this okay for everybody with English? | 用英语的人可以吗? |
| 114 | Because we do have people who can translate. | 因为我们有能够翻译的人。 |
| 115 | Anybody feel we need some translation? | 有人觉得我们需要翻译吗? |
| 116 | We're okay? | 我们没事吗? |
| 117 | So this is a central dilemma for our human moment. | 因此,这对我们人类的时刻来说是一个中心难题。 |
| 118 | No meaning in the universe is generally a scientific perspective. | 宇宙中没有任何意义一般是科学视角. |
| 119 | Humans always are searching for meaning and purpose. | 人类总是在寻找意义和目的 |
| 120 | So moreover, if some scientists say that all we need are mechanistic laws to explain nature and its workings, | 此外,如果一些科学家说,我们需要的是机械法来解释自然及其作用, |
| 121 | evolution and ecology are also giving us a greater sense of complexity, of awe and wonder. | 进化论和生态学也给了我们更大的复杂性感,敬畏感和好奇感. |
| 122 | So some of this split is changing, because ecology is talking about awe and wonder and holism. | 所以,有些分裂正在改变, 因为生态学在谈论敬畏和惊奇,以及全息主义。 |
| 123 | The promising news is that science is opening up in various forms of system science, sustainability science, and emergence science. | 充满希望的消息是,科学正在以系统科学、可持续性科学和新兴科学等多种形式开放。 |
| 124 | So the split is coming together, we hope, in our lifetime. | 因此,我们希望,在我们的一生中,分裂正在形成。 |
| 125 | Confucianism may contribute as well to an enlarged sensibility of the sublime in nature. | 儒学也可以促进自然界的潜意识的扩大. |
| 126 | Look at Chinese art, sublime in nature, look at Chinese gardens. | 看中国的艺术,自然界的潜质,看中国的花园. |
| 127 | And also the sublime in the cosmos, along with the recognition of the intrinsic or even the moral value of nature. | 以及宇宙中的次品,同时承认自然的内在甚至道德价值. |
| 128 | Confucianism especially has this sense of the moral value of nature. | 儒家主义尤其具有这种自然的道德价值感. |
| 129 | It's not meaningless, it's not dead, it's morally valuable. | 它没有意义,也没有死,在道德上很有价值. |
| 130 | And indeed then, this is an important time to explore cosmology and ecology, how they come together, cosmos and earth and human. | 实际上,这是探索宇宙学和生态学的重要时刻, 它们是如何走到一起的,宇宙和地球以及人类。 |
| 131 | Okay, so this larger sense of where we belong in a living universe, | 好吧,所以这个更大的感 我们属于一个活的宇宙, |
| 132 | and how this gives us a long-term perspective of deep evolutionary time to be a force for protection of earth's systems and the planet. | 以及这如何给我们一个 深刻进化时间的长期视角 成为保护地球系统和地球的力量。 |
| 133 | So evolutionary time and ecological protection of ecosystems coming together. | 所以进化时间和生态系统的生态保护 聚集在一起。 |
| 134 | Okay, so Confucian cosmology and scientific cosmology are coming together in a film like this and in our own thinking. | 好吧,所以儒家宇宙学和科学宇宙学 在这样的电影里 和我们自己的思想中 走到一起。 |
| 135 | I'll just give four examples of that, and then we're going to open up to discussion with our panelists and with you. | 我仅举四个例子,然后我们开始与我们的小组成员和你们进行讨论。 |
| 136 | So how do these go together? | 那么这些怎么一起走? |
| 137 | Cosmology, ecology, science, and Confucian thought. | 宇宙学,生态学,科学,和儒家的思想. |
| 138 | So one is the idea of forming one body with all things, one body with all things, which is ten ren he yi, that heaven, earth, and humans are one. | 故一是以万物而成一体,以万物而成一体,即十伦他义,即天,地,人也. |
| 139 | Fundamental for Confucian and Chinese thought. | 对儒家和中国思想具有根本意义. |
| 140 | So Neo-Confucians have always seen the universe in this continuity of the unfolding of evolution. | 因此,新孔夫奇人总是在进化过程的这种连续性中看到宇宙. |
| 141 | There's no radical separation between cosmos, earth. | 宇宙,地球之间没有激进的分离. |
| 142 | You have to remember, most Western thought has a radical separation of God for a transcendent power and humans and earth. | 你必须记住,大多数西方思想都对神有激进的分离,为了超能力以及人类和地球. |
| 143 | So there's a potential here for seeing humans as integrated within evolutionary systems, not just added on, as is often the case with Western religions, | 因此,这里有将人类 融入进化体系的潜力, 不仅仅是加在, 与西方宗教一样, |
| 144 | but as intrinsic to the process. | 但作为过程的内在 |
| 145 | Humans are intrinsic to this. | 人类是其中的内在 |
| 146 | We come out of these processes. | 我们走出这些进程。 |
| 147 | Now science also speaks of the singularity of evolution from the great flaring forth of particles, of atoms, of galaxies and stars to planets and solar system and the emergence of light. | 现在,科学还谈到从粒子、原子、星系和恒星到行星和太阳系的巨大裂纹到光的出现,进化的奇特性。 |
| 148 | So science is giving us that same continuity of this unfolding evolutionary process. | 因此,科学给了我们同样的延续 演化过程。 |
| 149 | Okay, second point is qi, matter, energy, is imprinted with pattern. | 好吧,第二点是qi,物质,能量, 印有图案。 |
| 150 | Remember in the film that talks about everything has pattern. | 记得在电影中谈论一切有规律. |
| 151 | That's li, li and qi coming together. | 这是莉,莉和琪在一起。 |
| 152 | So qi, matter, energy, but pattern. | 如此的qi,物质,能量,但模式。 |
| 153 | This is a great contribution of Chinese thought. | 这是中国思想的巨大贡献. |
| 154 | So what provides the unity of evolutions for confusions is the dynamic and non-dual reality of matter, energy. | 因此,为混淆提供进化的统一性的,是物质,能量的动态和非双重现实. |
| 155 | It's separate in the West, in Western thinking. | 在西方分别,在西方思想中. |
| 156 | It's not separate in Chinese thought. | 在中国思想中并不分离. |
| 157 | So qi is permeated with vital transformations expressed as sheng sheng, life, life, reproduction of life, fecundity of life. | 因此,qi充满了以sheng Sheng,生命,生命,生命的繁殖,生命的生育为表达的重要转变. |
| 158 | Qi is constantly transforming. | 齐国不断变迁. |
| 159 | For evolutionary science, this can be seen as energy in changing forms such as emergent properties and self-organizing dynamics. | 对于进化科学来说,这可以看作是在诸如新兴属性和自我组织动力等变化形态中的能量. |
| 160 | These are some of the most exciting areas of study in science. | 这些是科学研究中最激动人心的领域。 |
| 161 | What is a self-organizing dynamic? | 什么是自我组织动态? |
| 162 | How did galaxies form? | 星系是怎样形成的? |
| 163 | We were at Princeton for one semester and the scientists there said, we don't really know. | 我们去了普林斯顿一个学期 那里的科学家说,我们真的不知道。 |
| 164 | These are the best scientists in the world on a galaxy. | 这些是世界上最优秀的科学家 在一个星系。 |
| 165 | We don't really know how galaxies form. | 我们不知道星系是如何形成的。 |
| 166 | But somehow there's these emergent and self-organizing dynamics of stars forming into a galaxy. | 但不知何故,这些恒星 形成一个星系的 新兴和自我组织动力。 |
| 167 | Incredible processes. | 不可思议的过程 |
| 168 | That inspires awe, wonder, a sense of creativity. | 这激发了人们的敬畏、好奇和创造力。 |
| 169 | So for evolutionary science, this can be seen as energy in changing forms and it moves from lesser complexity to greater complexity, from lesser consciousness to greater consciousness. | 因此对于进化科学来说,这可以看作是变化形式中的能量,它从更小的复杂性转移到更复杂,从更小的意识转移到更大的意识. |
| 170 | So atoms being very simple, stars being more complex, galaxies being more complex, planetary systems, Earth as a living system. | 因此原子非常简单,恒星更加复杂,星系更加复杂,行星系统,地球作为一个生命系统. |
| 171 | So greater complexity and greater consciousness. | 所以更复杂 更清醒 |
| 172 | Okay, the third point is humans are the mind and heart of heaven and earth. | 第三点是人类是天地的心灵 |
| 173 | The shin, the mind and heart of heaven and earth. | 圣贤,天地之心智也. |
| 174 | Right in the film is that, at the very end, the humans are the mind and heart of heaven and earth. | 电影中的正确之处是,在最后,人类是天地的心灵和心脏. |
| 175 | We're the microcosm of the macrocosm. | 我们是宏观的缩影 |
| 176 | Again, many traditions have that sensibility, but Confucianism, Taoism have a huge sense. | 再说,许多传统都有这种感性,但儒学,道学都有巨大的感性. |
| 177 | We're part of the whole cosmos. | 我们是整个宇宙的一部分。 |
| 178 | So humans are the compassionate and thinking dimension of evolution, both compassionate and thinking as one. | 因此人类是进化过程中的同情和思维层面,既具有同情心,又具有一体思维. |
| 179 | This is a given, but also an achievement through cultivation, through praxis, through chai chi, qi gung, traditional Chinese medicine, study, cultivation. | 这是一定的,但也是一种成就,通过种植,通过actaxis,通过chai chi,qi gung,传统中医药,学习,栽培. |
| 180 | So from science, we now know that besides humans, there are many forms. | 因此,从科学上,我们现在知道 除了人类,还有许多形式。 |
| 181 | This is one of the most exciting things about science right now. | 这是目前最令人兴奋的科学。 |
| 182 | Many forms of sentience or ways of knowing in the world beyond human. | 在人类之外的世界中,许多形式的警觉或认知方式. |
| 183 | The more than human world we now understand is alive, is communicating, is changing information. | 我们现在所了解的比人类世界要多的是生命, 沟通,改变信息。 |
| 184 | There are books now called How Forests Think, Do Glaciers Listen, the sentience of trees, of communication. | 现在有书名为"森林的思考","Do Glaciers Listen","树木的注意","通讯的注意". |
| 185 | We had a Yale webinar of communication among trees. | 我们有一个耶鲁网络 树间交流。 |
| 186 | 9,000 people signed up for this because it is bursting into human consciousness. | 9000人报名参加,因为它正在冲入人类的意识. |
| 187 | Animal communication, whale songs, the intelligence of dolphins, migrating patterns of birds, of caribou, of whales. | 动物的交流 鲸鱼的歌声 海豚的智能 鸟类的迁徙模式 驯鹿 鲸鱼的迁徙模式 |
| 188 | This is sentience, you see, in the whole world, which science is now giving us as well. | 这是在整个世界的注意, 科学现在也给了我们。 |
| 189 | Confucianism, Taoism understood this sense, so do indigenous traditions. | 儒教,道教也理解这个道理,土著传统也理解这个道理. |
| 190 | Okay, the final point, number four, is humans are co-creators. | 好吧,最后一点,第四点, 人类是共同创造者。 |
| 191 | Namely, we're forming civilizations. | 也就是说,我们正在形成文明。 |
| 192 | We are self-organizing societal social beings. | 我们是社会个体的自我组织。 |
| 193 | That's why our phones are so important, why we want to communicate. | 这就是为什么我们的电话如此重要, 为什么我们要沟通。 |
| 194 | We're social beings self-organizing ourselves. | 我们的社会生物 自我组织。 |
| 195 | Just like tonight, we're having a discussion and we're going to learn from one another. | 和今晚一样,我们有一个讨论 我们会互相学习。 |
| 196 | So this sense then, and this is why Dr. Wang's presence is important, ecological civilization, a term that really comes from China. | 因此,这种感觉,这就是为什么王博士的存在是重要的,生态文明,这个术语真正来自中国. |
| 197 | It has implications in the government of China, it has implications in academia, in civil society. | 它对中国政府有影响,对学术界,民间社会都有影响. |
| 198 | What is ecological civilization? | 什么是生态文明? |
| 199 | China has put forward an ideal of this notion of humans co-participating in these large processes. | 中国提出了人类共同参与这些大进程的理想。 |
| 200 | So transformative change, which you will say, we need green economics, we need eco-economics, eco-cities, eco-education, eco-farming, etc. | 如此的转型变革,你们会说,我们需要绿色经济,我们需要生态经济学,生态城市,生态教育,生态耕作等. |
| 201 | So all of this is happening in our lifetime and how our two countries will come together on ecological civilization and the rest of the world is crucial for all future generations. | 因此,这一切正在我们一生中发生,我们两国将如何在生态文明方面走到一起,而世界的其他地方对于所有后代都是至关重要的。 |
| 202 | So that sense that we are participating in a universe unfolding process is crucial. | 因此,我们参与一个正在展开的宇宙进程的意识是至关重要的。 |
| 203 | So I'm going to end, I have of course much more in my notes here, but I want to end with this most, I think, inspiring passage from Changsai, the Neo-Confucian, 10th, 11th century. | 因此,我要结束,我当然有 更多的在我的笔记在这里, 但我想结束这一点,我认为, 最鼓舞人心的通道 从长斋, 新孔方,10,11世纪。 |
| 204 | And his call for, it's called the Western inscription on his wall, his study wall, and I think it's one of the most profound passages. | 而他的呼声,也被称为他墙上的西式铭文,他的书房墙,我认为这是最深刻的一段. |
| 205 | You all know it, you're all nodding and so on, but let's just put it out into the atmosphere. | 你们都知道,你们都在点头等等, 但是让我们把它放进大气层。 |
| 206 | For the call of journey of the universe, for the call of the extraordinary traditions of China and Confucianism and Taoism and the arts and cultivation. | 为宇宙之旅的呼唤,为中国和儒家及道教的非凡传统和艺术与栽培的呼唤. |
| 207 | And let's hear for a moment the call of this early Neo-Confucian thinker. | 让我们来听听这个 早期的尼欧-孔福奇思想家的号召 |
| 208 | Heaven is my father and earth is my mother and even such a small creature as I can find an intimate place in their midst. | 天堂是我的父亲 地球是我的母亲 即使是小生物 我都能在他们中间找到一个亲密的地方 |
| 209 | Therefore that which fills the universe I regard as my own body and that which directs the universe I consider as my own nature. | 因此,充满宇宙的东西,我视它为我自己的身体,而引导宇宙的东西,我视它为我自己的本性. |
| 210 | All people are my brothers and sisters and all things are my companion. | 所有的人都是我的兄弟姊妹,所有的东西都是我的同伴. |
| 211 | Wealth, honor, blessings, and benefit are meant for the enrichments of life. | 财富、荣誉、祝福和利益都是为了丰富生活。 |
| 212 | Poverty, humble status, worries, and sorrows are meant to help me find fulfillment. | 贫穷、卑微的地位、忧虑和悲伤都是为了帮助我找到成就。 |
| 213 | In life I will follow and serve heaven and earth and in death I will be content. | 在生活中,我将跟随并服务于天地,在死亡中,我将满足。 |
| 214 | So thank you so much for being here. | 所以,非常感谢你在这里。 |
| 215 | Let's be inspired by Changsai and the journey of the universe as well. | 受长斋和宇宙之旅的启发. |
| 216 | So first we're going to have comments and reflections from Professor Gap and then John Crimm. | 首先我们要听取Gap教授的评论和思考 然后是John Crimm。 |
| 217 | Are you sure? | 你确定吗? |
| 218 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 219 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 220 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 221 | It's my great pleasure to be here again. | 我很高兴再次来到这里。 |
| 222 | And I remember four years ago, around four years ago, I think we were here and had a very good discussion about this field. | 我记得四年前,大约四年前, 我认为我们在这里, 并有一个非常好的讨论这个领域。 |
| 223 | So after four years we came back to talk about this again. | 所以四年后,我们又回来讨论这个问题。 |
| 224 | But it is with a new sense. | 但它有一种新的感觉。 |
| 225 | These four years I know it was very difficult for everybody. | 这四年,我知道这对每个人都很困难。 |
| 226 | Not just to the people in the United States but also to the people in China. | 不仅对美国人民,而且对中国人民. |
| 227 | And I'm very glad we got over this because I really hate these kind of virtual meetings and virtual conferences. | 我很高兴我们解决了这件事 因为我非常讨厌这种虚拟会议 |
| 228 | And finally we have an opportunity to see each other, to have a face-to-face discussion. | 最后,我们有机会相见,进行面对面的讨论。 |
| 229 | And I'm very pleased you this time come here for this event and also for the event in Sunshine Forum. | 我很高兴你这次来到这里参加这个活动, 以及阳光论坛的活动。 |
| 230 | Please look forward to this. | 请师瞻仰. |
| 231 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 232 | Before this, I really should congratulate the authors, producers of this field. | 在此之前,我确实应该祝贺这个领域的作者,制作人. |
| 233 | This is a beautifully produced field. | 这是一个美丽的生产场。 |
| 234 | It's really, really good. | 这是真的,真的很好。 |
| 235 | I can share with you a story. | 我可以跟你分享一个故事。 |
| 236 | I showed this field to a boy in my home, 60 years old. | 我给家里一个60岁的男孩看球场 |
| 237 | In the first, you just gave me the link for the English version. | 首先,你刚刚给了我英文版的链接。 |
| 238 | And of course he can't understand English. | 他当然不懂英语 |
| 239 | But he was amazed by quite a lot of pictures. | 但他对很多照片感到惊讶 |
| 240 | And of course, particularly he became really, really interested in black holes and the soil and in the galaxies and in the water. | 当然,特别是他对黑洞和土壤 星系和水都非常感兴趣 |
| 241 | And because of this field, his big wish is to become an astronomer in the future. | 而由于这个领域,他的大愿望是将来成为天文学家. |
| 242 | Because he just came to attend this kind of first-year primary school. | 因为他是来上这种小学的 |
| 243 | And the teacher asked each pupil to write their personal wishes and write it in a paper and then put it in a box. | 老师请每个学生写出个人愿望,写成论文,然后放入盒子. |
| 244 | And after six years, when they graduate, they will show him again. | 过了六年,当他们毕业, 他们会再次显示他。 |
| 245 | So we asked him what he wanted to do. | 所以我们问他想做什么。 |
| 246 | What did he want to do to become an astronomer? | 他想做什么才能成为天文学家? |
| 247 | To find out the black hole. | 以寻黑洞. |
| 248 | Every time when he met or met friends or other people, he would tell these stories to others about the black hole and this universe. | 每当他遇见或遇见朋友或其他人时,他会把这些故事告诉其他人,讲述黑洞和这个宇宙. |
| 249 | So even for the young kids, you can see how attractive this field is. | 所以,即使对于孩子们来说, 你可以看到这个领域有多有吸引力。 |
| 250 | Really, I should say you have done very beautiful on the field. | 真的,我该说你在球场上表现得非常漂亮 |
| 251 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 252 | Of course, Mary Evelyn is very famous internationally and a famous scholar and Confucianist. | 当然,玛丽·伊夫林在国际上非常有名,也是著名的学者和儒家. |
| 253 | I admired her achievements in the field. | 我钦佩她在这一领域的成就。 |
| 254 | We worked together for quite a few years. | 我们一起工作了几年 |
| 255 | I know him very well, but not very well. | 我对他很了解,但不是很了解 |
| 256 | This is another thing which I would say welcomes you to Beijing again. | 这也是我再次欢迎你们来到北京的另一件事。 |
| 257 | The CEO is both healthy and active. | 首席执行官既健康又活跃. |
| 258 | This is a very good thing. | 这是件好事 |
| 259 | Of course, in this film, because you were the co-author of this, I can see deeply their Confucian thoughts. | 当然,在这部电影中,由于你是这个的合著者,我能够深刻地看到他们的儒家思想. |
| 260 | Of course, these old films show the summers and the Greek philosophy and civilizations. | 当然,这些老电影展现了夏日与希腊哲学和文明. |
| 261 | And sometimes some pictures about China. | 有时还有关于中国的一些图片. |
| 262 | But I think deeply, you worked together the Western understandings and the Confucian views and the thoughts of all of these things here. | 但我深思熟虑,你们共同合作了西方的谅解和儒家的观点,以及这里所有这些事物的思想. |
| 263 | This kind of film reminds me of three key words. | 这种电影让我想起三个关键词. |
| 264 | I saw nine comments on this. | 我看到了9条评论。 |
| 265 | The first is that really we should have this respect and all these feelings towards our sources. | 第一,我们确实应该有这种尊重以及对我们消息来源的所有这些感情。 |
| 266 | In the Confucian tradition, particularly in Confucian analytics, you know this. | 在儒家传统中,特别是在儒家分析学中,你知道这一点. |
| 267 | And respect and all. | 及尊重一切众生. |
| 268 | And that is very important for good Confucian. | 这对好儒家来说是非常重要的. |
| 269 | But of course, in the recent decades and hundreds of years, we somehow lost this. | 当然,在最近几十年和几百年里,我们不知何故地失去了这一点。 |
| 270 | I think we should really regain this kind of respect to our ancestors. | 我认为我们真的应该重新获得这种对祖先的尊重. |
| 271 | I think in the film I mentioned about the ancestors. | 我在电影里提到祖先 |
| 272 | This is quite a Chinese way to address our origin of these things there. | 这是中国人处理这些东西的起源的方法 |
| 273 | I remember in the 《春秋环路》 of the Dongzhongshu, they talk about this, you know, this good heaven. | 我记得在东宗书里, 他们谈论这个,你知道的,这个好天堂。 |
| 274 | And 天 is this, our humans, the greater, greater father of this. | 这是我们人类的伟大父亲 |
| 275 | And you know, while we read this, I read this. | 你知道,当我们读这个,我读这个。 |
| 276 | I didn't get much about this. | 我没有得到很多关于这一点。 |
| 277 | I thought it's just a metaphor. | 以为只是比喻. |
| 278 | And that is our origin here. | 这就是我们的起源 |
| 279 | But in this film, I can feel this is really, we are truly descended. | 但在这部电影中,我感觉到,这真的是,我们真的被降级了。 |
| 280 | And not only of our physical ancestors, but also these cosmic ancestors. | 不仅是我们身体上的祖先, 还有这些宇宙的祖先。 |
| 281 | So that is one thing I gained from watching this film. | 所以,这是我从看这部电影中得到的一件事。 |
| 282 | And the second key word is called responsibility. | 而第二个关键词叫做责任. |
| 283 | So we know that humans are both small and great. | 所以我们知道人类既小又伟大。 |
| 284 | And we are small because when we compare with this cosmic and this kind of bodies, | 而我们是小的 因为当我们比较 这个宇宙和这样的身体, |
| 285 | like Earth, like this, you know, galaxies, we are really nothing. | 像地球,像这个,你知道的,星系, 我们真的什么都不是。 |
| 286 | We are really, really nothing, nothing there. | 我们真的,真的什么都没有,什么都没有。 |
| 287 | And this is very tiny about this. | 这是非常微小的。 |
| 288 | But these kind of tiny things really, you know, develop this kind of self-consciousness | 但这种微小的东西,真的,你知道, 发展这种自觉 |
| 289 | and understanding and then values like sports and music, arts, all these kind of things. | 理解,然后像体育和音乐,艺术,所有这些东西。 |
| 290 | So it makes us feel, particularly in the modern times, feel that we are great. | 因此,它让我们感到,特别是在现代,我们感到自己是伟大的。 |
| 291 | We are great. | 我们是伟大的。 |
| 292 | We can control everything. | 我们能控制一切 |
| 293 | That both are good for human beings and for the Earth, | 既有益于人类,也有益于地球 |
| 294 | but also can be bad because we are too powerful. | 也可能是坏的,因为我们太强大了。 |
| 295 | Our abilities are too strong. | 我们的能力太强了 |
| 296 | Then we try to conquer everything, which already exists for billions of years. | 然后我们试图征服所有已经存在数十亿年的东西。 |
| 297 | But if this, we really need to have our responsibility. | 但是如果这样,我们确实需要承担责任。 |
| 298 | The sense of responsibility is particularly important at this kind of time. | 责任感在这种时候特别重要。 |
| 299 | We are facing really this ecological crisis and the climate changes. | 我们确实面临着这一生态危机和气候变化。 |
| 300 | Everybody knows in Beijing, you know, this year's dump of this kind of rains | 北京的每个人都知道,你知道, 今年的倾盆大雨 |
| 301 | and killed many people last year in Henan province. | 去年在河南省杀了很多人 |
| 302 | And also this nearly 400 people were killed. | 还有将近400人被杀。 |
| 303 | So for this, I think we really feel we are responsible for these kind of things. | 因此,我认为我们真的觉得我们对这些事情负有责任。 |
| 304 | We need to do something. | 我们得做点什么 |
| 305 | We need really to do something to change this kind of thing. | 我们真的需要做一些事情来改变这种事情。 |
| 306 | We can't continue this way because this is self-destroying. | 我们不能再这样下去了 因为这是自残 |
| 307 | So really this is the second key word. | 所以这是第二个关键词。 |
| 308 | And the third key word I would say is that we must learn. | 我要说的第三个关键词是,我们必须学习。 |
| 309 | Of course, learn to be alive. | 当然,学会活着。 |
| 310 | Learn to live. | 修习生法. |
| 311 | That is inherited in our genes. | 这是遗传在我们基因中。 |
| 312 | We need to learn. | 我们需要学习。 |
| 313 | But here I talk about learning is in the sense of confusion and learning. | 但是,我在这里谈论学习 是在困惑和学习。 |
| 314 | Learning to be human. | 学为人. |
| 315 | And learning to be human, that is the central theme of this five years ago. | 学着做人,这是五年前的中心主题。 |
| 316 | And then 2018, this World Congress on Philosophy, learning to be human. | 之后的2018年,本届世界哲学大会,学会做人. |
| 317 | This is the purpose of doing this proposal. | 这就是实施这项建议的目的。 |
| 318 | But learning to be human is really learning to be together. | 但是,学会成为人类 真的是学会在一起。 |
| 319 | And as human beings, we are of course divided by countries, | 作为人类,我们当然被国家瓜分 |
| 320 | by nations, by cultures, by different customers and all this. | 国家,文化, 不同的顾客和这一切。 |
| 321 | But we are human beings. | 但我们是人类。 |
| 322 | We are human beings. | 我们是人类。 |
| 323 | We can't just say that because of our different views, | 我们不能因为观点不同就这么说 |
| 324 | we would go to conflict and even go to war and even this kind of thing. | 我们会去冲突,甚至去战争 甚至这种事情。 |
| 325 | So this is not a way, not good for human interests. | 因此,这不是一种方法,不利于人类利益。 |
| 326 | Even for the interests of human beings, we really need to learn to be together. | 即使为了人类的利益,我们确实需要学会在一起. |
| 327 | To be together in a good way rather than just things. | 在一起的方式是好的 而不是仅仅的东西。 |
| 328 | So these are the three key words that came to my mind. | 因此,这是我想到的三个关键词。 |
| 329 | I thought somehow this reflected my understanding of what I watched in the film. | 我以为这反映了我对电影中所看到的的理解。 |
| 330 | And these are also the things which I feel are very, very important, | 这些也是我感觉非常重要的东西 |
| 331 | not only for me, but for most of us. | 不仅为我,也为我们大多数人。 |
| 332 | So I'll just stop here and add these comments and we can further discuss them. | 因此,我仅停留在这里补充这些评论,我们可以进一步讨论这些评论. |
| 333 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 334 | Perfect. | 不错 |
| 335 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 336 | Yes. | 对 |
| 337 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 338 | And I want to mention that when you take that little bro short, | 我想提一下 当你把那个小兄弟短, |
| 339 | there's the continuation of the film. | 电影的续作 |
| 340 | There's a book, of course, but there's also interviews with scientists | 当然有本书 但也有科学家的采访 |
| 341 | who describe this sense of awe and wonder. | 他描述这种敬畏和怀疑的感觉。 |
| 342 | For them, their own science in the unfolding universe. | 对他们来说,他们自己的科学 在正在发展的宇宙。 |
| 343 | So there's ten scientists who are talking about galaxies and planetary formations, | 有十位科学家在谈论星系和行星形成 |
| 344 | which is very inspiring. | 这非常鼓舞人心。 |
| 345 | And then there's ten interviews with environmentalists who are saying, | 然后有十次采访 环保主义者说, |
| 346 | what do we do for education, for the next generation, for eco-cities and so on. | 我们为教育,为下一代,为生态城市等等做什么. |
| 347 | So there's a practical aspect that you can look up online. | 所以有一个实际的方面,你可以在网上查看。 |
| 348 | And the Coursera courses as well, which some of you have taken, are in Chinese. | 还有Coursera课程,你们中有些人也修过,都是中文。 |
| 349 | So I just wanted to mention from the awe to the responsibility is such an important point. | 因此,我只想提一下,从敬畏到责任是一个非常重要的问题。 |
| 350 | And we thank you for that. | 我们为此感谢你。 |
| 351 | Now, John Grimm doesn't need introduction to me because he's my husband | John Grimm不需要我介绍 因为他是我丈夫 |
| 352 | and co-worker in every possible way. | 并尽可能合作 |
| 353 | And his specialty is already mentioned as indigenous traditions and so on. | 而他的特长已经被称为土著传统等等. |
| 354 | He's published a book on the shaman. | 他出版了一本关于萨满的书. |
| 355 | He's published indigenous religions and ecology and the Harvard series. | 他出版了土著宗教与生态学和哈佛系列. |
| 356 | But mostly I want to say this film, and I mean this, | 但大多数我想说这部电影, 我的意思是, |
| 357 | this film would not be possible without John's attention to every detail | 没有约翰的注意,这部电影不可能 |
| 358 | you cannot imagine for ten years. | 你无法想象十年。 |
| 359 | But also all of our work would not be possible without John, his dedication. | 但是,如果没有约翰的奉献精神,我们的所有工作都是不可能的。 |
| 360 | And he is a Taoist. | 他是一个道教。 |
| 361 | Well, I am Confucian. | 好吧,我是儒家,我就是儒家,我是个儒家 |
| 362 | And so this makes our life a nice yin and yang. | 这使我们的生活变得阴阳融洽 |
| 363 | So that's my introduction to John Grimm. | 这就是我对约翰·格林的介绍 |
| 364 | So I'm definitely sure I've asked for more pay. | 所以我肯定我要求更多的报酬。 |
| 365 | It's delightful to be with you. | 很高兴能和你在一起 |
| 366 | I want to move in that weave, if you'll let me, | 我想搬进织布厂 如果你允许的话 |
| 367 | in which not only are we caught in the environmental crises of our times, | 我们不仅陷入我们时代的环境危机之中, |
| 368 | and I join with Professor Yao in really noting those very seriously. | 我和姚教授一样,非常认真地指出这些。 |
| 369 | We have come out of an intense engagement with the COVID experience, | 我们与COVID经验的密切接触, |
| 370 | and we look into our future and we see other dramatic moments | 我们展望未来,看到其他戏剧性的时刻 |
| 371 | of intense pressure on the human biodiversity planetary community. | 对人类生物多样性行星群的强烈压力。 |
| 372 | And we wonder where it is that we are going towards. | 我们想知道我们走向何处。 |
| 373 | Along with that weave of this sense of our intense pressures and concern and anxiety, | 伴随着这种强烈压力和焦虑感 |
| 374 | I want to remember with you the intense experience of discovery | 我想和你们一起记住 强烈的发现经验 |
| 375 | that science has brought us, that the sense of aesthetic enjoyment | 科学给我们带来了美学的享受感 |
| 376 | that the humanities and social sciences have brought to us. | 人文科学和社会科学给我们带来了。 |
| 377 | I'm thinking, for example, in the 1990s, | 我想,比如在1990年代, |
| 378 | when the Hubble telescope and prior work first began to make us aware | 当哈勃望远镜和之前的工作 开始让我们意识到 |
| 379 | that there were significant amounts of galaxies out there. | 那里有大量的星系 |
| 380 | We had already had Hubble's work letting us know there were other galaxies, | 我们已经有了哈勃的工作 告诉我们还有其他星系, |
| 381 | but suddenly we were seeing in the 90s, I remember this vividly, | 但突然间,我们看到了90年代, 我清楚地记得, |
| 382 | the wall of galaxies when there was this peering out, | 银河系的墙 当有这种对等, |
| 383 | and we saw a wall of galaxies as if they were innumerable, | 我们看到一堵星系的墙 仿佛它们无数 |
| 384 | and now we have a sense as the film laid out, billions, perhaps trillions, | 现在我们有了一种感觉 正如电影所显示的,数十亿,也许数万亿, |
| 385 | billions of stars in our galaxy, trillions of galaxies. | 我们银河系有数十亿颗恒星 数万亿星系 |
| 386 | So what does it mean? | 这是什么意思? |
| 387 | And again, Professor Yao put it in the context of our insignificance, | 再说一遍,姚教授 以我们无关紧要为背景 |
| 388 | and yet the fact that we're realizing this, something new is coming to us. | 但事实上,我们意识到了这一点, 新的东西正在降临我们。 |
| 389 | So this weave again, is it paradoxical that we have such a delight | 所以,这织布再次, 这是矛盾的,我们有这样一个快乐 |
| 390 | while we also have such intense anxiety at this time? | 此时此刻我们还有如此强烈的焦虑? |
| 391 | I'm a student of First Nations peoples, American Indian peoples, Native American peoples. | 我是原住民、美洲印第安人、美洲原住民的学生。 |
| 392 | The word indigenous is used. | 使用土著一词。 |
| 393 | Who's indigenous? | 谁是土著? |
| 394 | We're all indigenous. | 我们都是本地人 |
| 395 | We all are lineages on this planet. | 我们都是这个星球上的世系 |
| 396 | But there are societies that carry their own languages, kinship systems, | 但有些社会有他们自己的语言,亲属制度, |
| 397 | their way of relating to their local bioregions. | 与本地生物区的联系方式。 |
| 398 | Many of them are still enduring, | 他们中许多人仍在忍受着, |
| 399 | and they have a sense now of the justice of their own voice coming forward. | 他们现在有种感觉 自己声音的正义即将来临 |
| 400 | And the new studies are emerging, environmental justice, | 新的研究正在兴起 环境正义 |
| 401 | where we begin to pay attention to peoples where projects have been imposed upon them, | 在那里,我们开始关注那些项目强加给他们的人民, |
| 402 | or peoples who have lost the capacity to make decisions about the land they have lived on | 或丧失对其所居住土地作出决定能力的民族; |
| 403 | and about what happens to them. | 以及他们的遭遇 |
| 404 | So justice issues begin to surface. | 因此,正义问题开始浮现。 |
| 405 | And when Mary Evelyn was talking about the moral force in Confucianism, the moral force in nature, | 当玛丽·伊夫林在谈论 儒家主义中的道德力量 自然界中的道德力量时 |
| 406 | I think we're beginning to see now this weave again of environmental justice | 我想我们现在又开始看到 环境正义的织布 |
| 407 | and the humanists bringing considerations to land, to food, to peoples who live close to the land. | 人文主义者将考虑带到土地,食物,以及生活在土地附近的人民身上. |
| 408 | And what are the justice issues involved in the way we produce food, how it's distributed? | 而我们生产食物的方式,分配方式,涉及到什么正义问题? |
| 409 | These are issues that are embedded in the film that I think we're beginning to see the larger implications of it. | 这些都是嵌入在影片中的问题,我认为我们开始看到它更大的影响. |
| 410 | Is the film perfect? | 电影完美吗? |
| 411 | I've watched it 650 times, and I have a few critiques. | 我看过650次了 我有一些批评 |
| 412 | But I want to share two of them with you. | 但我想跟你分享其中两个 |
| 413 | One of them is when Brian is talking about symbolic systems, language. | 其中之一是布莱恩在谈论符号系统,语言. |
| 414 | It's a powerful moment in the film, I believe. | 我相信,这是电影中一个强大的时刻。 |
| 415 | And he says at one point, rocks were just rocks until they had these markings on them, | 他说有一次 石头只是石头 直到上面有标记 |
| 416 | and these markings began to guide civilizations. | 这些标记开始指导文明 |
| 417 | It's a very special moment, but I actually cringe, | 这是一个非常特殊的时刻, 但我实际上叫, |
| 418 | because I know even Brian, in his tradition, Salish people from the Fraser River of British Columbia, | 因为我甚至知道布莱恩,在他的传统, 来自不列颠哥伦比亚省弗雷泽河的萨利什人, |
| 419 | rocks are not just rocks. | 石头不仅仅是石头 |
| 420 | Rocks have been speaking to the human for eons. | 石头一直和人类说话 |
| 421 | And so rocks participate also in this journey of the universe. | 所以岩石也参与了宇宙的旅程。 |
| 422 | And I know Brian himself revisits that point. | 我知道布莱恩自己也重温了这一点。 |
| 423 | And another point, earlier on, he talks about the vision of Aristarchus, | 另外一点,早些时候,他谈到阿里斯塔库斯的愿景, |
| 424 | where the earth, Aristarchus, the first that we know of, who's reported, | 在那里,地球,阿里斯塔库斯, 我们知道的第一个, 谁报道, |
| 425 | and that lineage became written, he saw that the earth moved around the sun. | 他看见地球围绕太阳移动 |
| 426 | He speculated it, and it was also calculations in his early mathematics. | 他推测了这一点,这也是他早期数学中的计算. |
| 427 | And Brian makes the comment, that was forgotten. | Brian评论了,被遗忘了。 |
| 428 | I remember at one showing, a physicist came up to me afterwards and he says, | 我记得在一次表演中 一位物理学家后来来找我 他说 |
| 429 | it wasn't forgotten. | 它没有被遗忘。 |
| 430 | That actually, in the writings of many cosmologists, the early cosmologists, | 实际上,在许多宇宙学家,早期宇宙学家的著作中, |
| 431 | they remembered Aristarchus, but it wasn't satisfactory. | 他们记得阿里斯塔库斯 但情况并不令人满意 |
| 432 | They had no way to substantiate his observations. | 他们无法证实他的意见。 |
| 433 | So it was set aside. | 于是被弃. |
| 434 | But then, again, with Copernicus, it came forward. | 但后来,随着哥白尼的出现,它又出现了. |
| 435 | So the film itself, we hoped for something that would be evergreen, and I feel it is. | 所以,电影本身,我们希望的东西 会永远绿色, 我觉得它是。 |
| 436 | And when I listen to Professor Yao, I feel that the pride in being part of a project | 当我听姚教授的话,我觉得 成为项目一部分的骄傲 |
| 437 | that still speaks to us, having released it in 2011, it still speaks to us. | 在2011年发布之后,它仍然对我们说话。 |
| 438 | And how does it speak? | 怎么说呢? |
| 439 | I think it speaks to us of that cosmology-ecology mix that Mary Evan was talking about. | 我认为它告诉我们 宇宙-生态混合 玛丽・埃文正在谈论。 |
| 440 | That is a mix I find among the peoples that I study, | 这是我在研究的民族中发现的混合体, |
| 441 | especially Apsalake, Crow people in Montana. | 特别是阿普萨莱克,蒙大拿州的乌鸦人. |
| 442 | They have stories of where they come from. | 他们有他们从哪里来的故事。 |
| 443 | They are changing woman's grandchild. | 他们正在改变女人的孙子 |
| 444 | They say that's who they are. | 他们说,他们是谁。 |
| 445 | Changing woman is Venus. | 换女人就是维纳斯 |
| 446 | And so their grandmother is in the sky, kinship with the sky. | 故其祖母在天,与天为亲. |
| 447 | Just feel that sense of orienting. | 感觉有方向感 |
| 448 | The land that they are on is marked by relationship with the stars | 他们所在的土地 与星星的关系 |
| 449 | that have been thrown into the sky in their mythology. | 在他们的神话中被扔进天空 |
| 450 | So the sky are the relative, the sky, the stars in their sky. | 故天为亲戚,天为天,其天中之星. |
| 451 | Very similar to what Brian was saying, but his science perspective came at it very differently. | 与布莱恩所说的话非常相似,但他的科学观点对此却大不相同. |
| 452 | The point I'm after is that indigenous traditions also understood the sky above the land | 我想说的是 土著传统也理解土地之上的天空 |
| 453 | as a cosmology-ecology bridge that was orienting, grounding, nurturing, and transforming. | 作为宇宙生态学的桥梁, 正在定向, 地面,培育和改造。 |
| 454 | And when I think in the Chinese context of orienting and the moral force, | 当我从中国的角度思考方向和道德力量时 |
| 455 | grounding and the sense of the land and what the fingerprints of the lineage of Chinese farming, | 扎地和土地的感知 以及中国农业的血统的指纹 |
| 456 | moving, touching the land, the fingerprints on the land, the grounding in this part of the world. | 移动,触摸土地, 指纹在陆地上, 地面在这个地区。 |
| 457 | Nurturing, I'm still rubbing my stomach with the meal of today. | 养子,我今天还用饭来擦胃. |
| 458 | Chinese cuisine, I mean, it's the best in the world, isn't it? | 中国菜,我的意思是,这是世界上最好的,不是吗? |
| 459 | Nurturing, transforming, and I think that's where I want to end. | 抚育,改造,我想这就是我想结束的地方. |
| 460 | I want to move in this direction. | 我想朝这个方向前进。 |
| 461 | This is a panel which was intentionally set up to provide especially a Confucian view. | 这是一个专门用来提供儒家观点的小组。 |
| 462 | And I really feel the moral force of the remarks that Mary Evelyn and Professor Tucker and Professor Yao have made. | 我真的感觉到玛丽·伊夫林和塔克教授以及姚教授所说的话的道德力量. |
| 463 | And I want to bring another indigenous perspective, the Taoist perspective, into this mix | 我想把另一种土著观点,道教观点, 带进这个组合 |
| 464 | and to just draw a slight difference, but a difference that's a weave. | 和只是画一个微小的区别, 但区别是一个编织。 |
| 465 | It's not a separation. | 非离分别. |
| 466 | And I think we all know that, that Confucian and Taoist traditions were woven together in so many ways. | 我想我们都知道, 儒家和道家的传统 在许多方面交织在一起。 |
| 467 | So not separate, but a weave. | 所以不是分开 而是编织 |
| 468 | And yet there's distinct difference. | 但还是有区别的 |
| 469 | And the difference I want to point out is in Zhuangzi, that beautiful text where he speaks of feeding life. | 我想指出的区别在于 扎吉,那美丽的文字 他谈到喂养生命。 |
| 470 | And I just want to draw out, he doesn't say feeding my life, feeding our life, feeding human life, | 我只是想引出, 他没有说喂我的生命,喂我们的生命,喂人类的生命, |
| 471 | but certainly Zhuangzi knew that was crucial. | 但卓吉肯定知道这很重要 |
| 472 | We have to eat. | 我们必须吃东西。 |
| 473 | We have to eat if we want to survive. | 我们要吃,如果我们想要生存。 |
| 474 | So feeding my life is important. | 所以养活我很重要 |
| 475 | But for Zhuangzi, the higher value was feeding life. | 但对于 Zhu子来说,更高的价值是喂养生命. |
| 476 | What in the world did he mean by that? | 他这是什么意思? |
| 477 | Is it the case that while Confucianism emphasized nature as a moral force | 虽然儒家强调自然是一种道德力量,但是否如此? |
| 478 | with which the human could cultivate ourselves to achieve some deep insight, | 人类可以培养我们自己 获得一些深刻的洞察力, |
| 479 | on the Taoist side there was a sense you cannot cultivate it. | 道教方面有一种感觉 你无法培养它。 |
| 480 | It is cultivating you. | 它正在培养你。 |
| 481 | And when you feed yourself in order to feed that deeper life within you, | 当你养活自己 以养活你内心深处的生活时 |
| 482 | then you come close to that which nurtures, transforms, grounds and orients. | 然后,你们将接近那能滋养、转变、地面和方向的东西。 |
| 483 | So the sense of being with the Tao in an utterly spontaneous and receptive way. | 所以和陶族在一起的感觉是完全自发的 接受的 |
| 484 | I mentioned early on that the whirlpool meant a great deal to me now in the film. | 我早前就说过 旋风池对我很重要 |
| 485 | I see myself as a whirlpool. | 我把自己看成一个旋风 |
| 486 | That which comes into my body passes through my body. | 进入我身体的东西会穿过我的身体 |
| 487 | But the emergent pattern that I am, John Grimm, walks on this earth, | 但我的突然模式,约翰・格林, 走在这个地球上, |
| 488 | and the way I want to walk is league with the Tao. | 我想走的路就是跟道家结盟 |
| 489 | 由ESO转译. | |
| 490 | Translated by — | 翻译: |
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